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The oldest
unidentified homicide victim
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in Massachusetts...
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This is a legendary case.
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Over the decades,
there have been many theories
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about what could've happened
to her.
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Why would you throw away the
evidence to an unsolved murder?
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Anything that could lead
to the identification
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of the Lady of the Dunes
was gonna be met
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with resistance from the top.
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All my life, I've always
wondered who my mom was.
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She is Ruth Marie Terry.
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We find out who the victim is,
and then it's like,
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okay, now who killed her?
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She met this guy.
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Shortly after that,
they got married.
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Nobody knew anything
about the guy.
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Then she vanishes.
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This table here is just all
the stuff I've been, you know,
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ever since I found out
about my mom,
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about Ruth,
I started gathering all,
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any information I would get,
you know.
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These pictures here
and the one here,
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she's like 15, 16-years-old.
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This shot here, you can really
see resemblance there of me
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and her, especially
when I smile, you know.
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That's where I got
that beautiful smile from.
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This is this is the one
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that when her and Guy
got married.
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After, you know, Ruth and Guy
went to Tennessee
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and met the family,
then they left.
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They really never heard
from Ruth again.
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It was difficult
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because her family had
no idea about his past.
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Guy Muldavin, according
to the files that I read,
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he was born in New York City.
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Guy Muldavin was adopted.
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His father had issues
with alcohol and mental illness.
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Guy moved with his mother
to the state of New Mexico.
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Years later,
his dad purchased land
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and properties in Provincetown.
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Around that time,
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Guy taught at some sort of
acting academy,
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and that's where he met
his first wife, Jo Ellen Loop,
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and then she became pregnant
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and eventually ended up living
in Seattle.
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At that point,
Guy had created a business
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for himself of selling antiques.
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He was an antiquity dealer,
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and, you know,
he had a silver tongue.
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He seemed to be a womanizer.
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There were stories that,
you know,
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he liked to entertain women
in the antique shop after hours.
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He drew women to him, like
as if he was this, you know,
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Rudolf Valentino
kind of character.
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But what made part of
this difficult for us
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also is that Guy Muldavin had
so many aliases.
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Some are the official ones,
some are made-up names.
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Guy Muldavin. Guy Rockwell.
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And there was Raoul Rockwell.
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There was Raoul Guy Rockwell.
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- Raoul Muldavin.
- Guy Rockwell Muldavin.
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And he switched those three
around multiple times.
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He just had so many aliases.
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He taught Ruth
how to use fake names.
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We will never know
completely who Guy was.
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He was married for
about a decade to Jo Ellen Loop.
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That marriage ends, and very,
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very quickly, he marries
another woman.
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Manzanita Mearns was
40-years-old.
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Manzanita met Guy Rockwell
in the spring of 1955
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in his antique store.
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She and her 18-year-old
daughter, Dolores,
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moved to Seattle
to live with him.
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In 2019, I started working on
the case
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of Manzanita and Dolores.
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At the time, I'd not heard
of the Lady of Dunes.
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The story of Manzanita Rockwell
and Dolores Mearns
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unfolded in a strange manner.
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In April of 1960, Guy Rockwell
approached an attorney and said,
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"My wife Manzanita abandoned me.
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I need a divorce."
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He was granted the divorce
within three months
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because she never showed
up to contest the divorce.
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And just days later,
he marries Evelyn.
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July 29, 1960, Guy Rockwell
marries Evelyn Emerson,
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whom he had been dating
for about four months.
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The Emersons were
an established family.
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Guy Rockwell came
to Evelyn's family
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and had a plan to make
money with his antique dealings.
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He said he could travel
to Canada
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and purchase $8,000 in antiques,
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bring them back over the border,
and sell them for $16,000,
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and he was in the process
of raising funds.
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In order to avoid paying
customs and taxes,
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he was going to take
the antiques back
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to the United States
in a speedboat by night,
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smuggling merchandise, you know,
by the light of the moon.
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The Emersons thought
this was a fantastic idea,
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and Evelyn Emerson's mother
wrote Guy Rockwell a check.
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August 3, 1960, Guy Rockwell
calls Evelyn Emerson, tells her,
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"I'm at the airport, I'm on
a flight to Vancouver tonight.
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Be in touch soon."
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That was the last time
they hear from him.
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So, seven days goes by,
and they contact their attorney.
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The attorney contacts
the police department,
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said, "I want to report
a missing person
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who stole my client's money."
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Detectives got Guy Rockwell
charge with larceny.
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That next day, an arrest
warrant was issued for him.
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He abandoned Evelyn Emerson
and took off with $8,000
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and told this crazy story
about going to Canada.
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Just a constant charade of lies,
mis-truths, different stories.
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It's never-ending.
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It's like he was incapable
of telling the same story twice.
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Meanwhile, no one had heard
from Manzanita or Dolores
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in all this time.
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About four months,
and there was no sign of them.
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Detectives, as they
were collecting information
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regarding his background,
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they of course immediately heard
about Manzanita and Dolores.
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Manzanita had two other children
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who lived with her ex-husband
in Canada.
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So, they contacted Manzanita's
ex-husband and Dolores'
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father, William Mearns.
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And William Mearns told
the investigators
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that he had not heard
from Manzanita
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since March 12th of 1960.
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That was very strange
because she would come see her
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other two children every month.
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She wouldn't miss.
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At first it was just,
"They're gone.
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Where are they?"
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But then Seattle police began
finding evidence
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of a horrific crime.
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Interview, take one, marker.
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My name is Christina Mearns.
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Manzanita Mearns was
my grandmother,
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and Dolores Mearns was my aunt.
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My grandfather, William,
and my grandmother, Manzanita,
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they had three children, and she
chose to divorce my grandfather
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and married Raoul Guy Rockwell.
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My grandmother couldn't take
the girls
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that were younger
because they're not of age.
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Dolores made that choice to go
when she graduated
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and then started college
in Seattle.
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My mother and my aunt
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stayed with my grandfather
in Vancouver.
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My aunt remembers meeting
Guy Rockwell a few times.
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She doesn't remember
him being loving.
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Very cold and distant.
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I don't think he ever tried
to have conversations
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with the other kids.
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My mom and my aunt both
have talked about knowing
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of something going wrong with
my grandmother, Manzanita.
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Because she came from Seattle to
Vancouver like clockwork,
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and all a sudden, one month
she didn't show up.
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She'd never not shown up before.
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When three weeks or so went by,
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William Mearns called
Guy Rockwell on the phone
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and said, "Let me talk
to Manzanita," and Guy Rockwell
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told William Mearns,
"She and Dolores left,
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I don't know where they went."
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The second week of August 1960,
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detectives talked to
William Mearns.
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This isn't the type
of family circumstance
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that you would typically see
people just turn their back on.
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So, detectives were
having to backtrack
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to the first weekend of April
to try
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and figure out what
was going on.
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Dolores Mearns attended
her English 101 class
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on Friday, April 1st,
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and then she didn't come
to school on Monday.
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Manzanita worked as a clerk
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at the Seattle Trust
and Savings Bank downtown.
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She worked on Friday, April 1st,
and again, like Dolores,
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did not show up on Monday.
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Several months have gone by.
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No one's heard from Manzanita.
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No one's heard from Dolores.
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The only person who said
that Manzanita and Dolores
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just ran away was Guy Rockwell.
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And Guy Rockwell goes
from getting granted a divorce,
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to remarrying and then
disappearing from his new wife
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within the same seven-day
period, just months
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after Manzanita and Dolores
disappeared.
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Meanwhile Guy's neighbor
started to smell this scent.
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Guy had told his neighbor
that it was spoiled crab
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that he had thrown away and
it was just the smell of that.
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So, detectives became worried
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that something
more sinister had happened
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to Manzanita and Dolores.
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August 26, 1960,
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the police went to
Guy Rockwell's residence,
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who now was still missing.
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This was his residence,
and this was his antique shop.
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They recognized
that the septic tank
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had been cemented over recently.
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And over the next few days,
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they picked out pieces
of human remains.
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Body parts cut up,
the bones were sawed.
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Some of the hair was burnt.
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Slowly the investigators were
able to move upstairs
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into the attic area.
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And then they stumbled
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upon what clearly was
a gruesome crime scene.
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They find teeth,
they find blood.
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It was clear to the coroner
that the body parts
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belonged to a young woman
around the age of 18-years-old.
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The initial analysis
identified a blood type of O,
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which ended up being consistent
with both Manzanita and Dolores.
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It became front page news.
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My mother and aunt,
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all of their friends
at school were told,
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don't talk to these girls
anymore.
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Divorce wasn't a common thing
at that time.
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But then the murders happening,
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most families were terrified
of being involved with it.
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In September 1960,
there was tremendous speculation
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that Guy Rockwell fled
the country.
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So, at this point,
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detectives received information
from eastern Washington.
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Something troubled state
police detectives in a river.
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Two human legs were recovered
in the Colombia River
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in eastern Washington.
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The legs had
unique characteristics.
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But, in 1960, there is no DNA.
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Detectives started the process
of trying to pin down details
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about Manzanita from
a physical standpoint.
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To identify remains,
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you need someone personally
identified by a family member.
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They were able to say,
"Hey, Mr. Mearns,
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tell me about
your ex-wife's feet,"
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and they got
the same description from
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both William Mearns and
from Manzanita's adult sister.
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They thought that these were
the body parts
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of my grandmother.
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Manzanita Rockwell and
her daughter, Dolores Mearns,
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went missing in April of 1960.
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In their efforts to locate
Rockwell as a fugitive,
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detectives canvassed rental car
agencies from downtown Seattle.
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Guy Rockwell rented
a cargo truck five days after,
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and he put 319 miles on it.
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The Colombia River is
about 137 miles from Seattle,
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so do the math.
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It's almost a perfect accounting
of the mileage
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compared to where you would've
had to drive to dump those legs.
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I just remember thinking,
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how can human beings do this
to each other?
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It was like, I don't understand
what was going through
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this person's head that he could
cut up somebody
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he married as well as
a young girl.
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Guy Rockwell had
just disappeared.
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This guy's a fugitive from the
law. We need to find him now.
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He's wanted for questioning
in a double-homicide.
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This case went from
a larceny fugitive to an awful,
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gruesome, horrific
double-murder.
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By the time Seattle police
start putting this case together
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and they find the remains,
Muldavin's already gone.
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He fled.
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And he's the only one
that had the answers,
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and he's the only one
that had an explanation of
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where Dolores ended up
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and where Manzanita
eventually ended up.
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So, the manhunt is
far and wide.
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10-4
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It's not in Washington.
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It goes all over the country.
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They were reaching out to police
in Canada, England, Spain,
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just trying to find out
where Guy Muldavin was.
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This is a photocopy
of the original
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jurisdictional contact list
that Seattle PD reached out to.
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They contacted dozens and dozens
and dozens
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of jurisdictions,
just bombarding
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them with the information.
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I mean, Ohio must have 30
departments that we contacted.
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Pennsylvania, 25 plus.
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International jurisdictions,
two more pages.
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Seattle PD got the word out.
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Everyone was looking for
Guy Rockwell.
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December 1, 1960,
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the FBI located Guy Rockwell
living in Manhattan,
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in New York City.
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I do not know
the exact circumstances,
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but I know that at some point
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the FBI received
credible information
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that he was
in that jurisdiction,
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and that kind of narrowed
the focus.
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He was living under
the alias of Michael Strong.
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As to why Guy Rockwell ended up
in New York,
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he was born there,
and New York City is probably
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a place someone felt that they
could remain somewhat anonymous.
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Guy Rockwell was interviewed
for about two weeks
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about the murders.
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Guy Rockwell never admitted
to killing Manzanita and Dolores
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directly,
but he told them he was
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"morally responsible"
for their deaths.
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So not confessing,
but communicating,
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bouncing around the topic
in such a way
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that you would walk out
of the room saying, "He did it."
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But it's impossible
to answer the question of
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whether there was enough to
charge Guy Rockwell for murder
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in 1960 without having lived
in that era.
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He wasn't charged back then.
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But he's got a larceny warrant
so he was extradited to Seattle.
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Guy Rockwell received a prison
sentence for grand larceny,
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for stealing money
from the Emersons.
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Guy Rockwell was released
from jail sometime in 1962
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after serving about 13 months.
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He was never charged
for the murder of Manzanita
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and the murder of Dolores.
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It's hard to stomach
that he didn't get charged.
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If the police in Seattle
would have held Guy
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after the murder
of my grandmother and my aunt,
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he should have been life
in prison.
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That was about 14 or 15 years
before he had met my mom.
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They're letting
these jackasses out of prisons,
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you know,
that committed violent crimes.
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It's like, the hell's
wrong with you people?
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When you talk about what if...
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Yeah, if somebody
would have taken the time
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to look into his other wife,
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he never would have met
my Aunt Ruth.
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The last time we saw
Aunt Ruth in '74,
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we never saw her
or heard from her again.
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It was just a mystery.
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I would love nothing more
than to find out what happened.
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In 2022,
detectives contacted our family
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and told us about
a 50-year-old cold case
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and believed that Guy Muldavin
had something to do with it.
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Basically they needed anything
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00:22:52,674 --> 00:22:56,808
that could fill in
their time-line and certain gaps
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that they had of where Guy was.
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I sent them all the information
they wanted that I had from Guy.
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00:23:04,904 --> 00:23:08,515
I started putting this
together after talking to
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the police department
about Provincetown.
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00:23:13,435 --> 00:23:18,005
That's how I remember him,
always a pipe in his mouth.
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This was in 1974,
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so this is the year
that he married Ruth.
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This is the year before
he was married to my aunt.
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We don't know what happens
to Guy Muldavin
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immediately after Ruth,
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00:23:37,937 --> 00:23:42,463
but we do know that he goes on
to get married once again.
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Guy Muldavin met my aunt
in 1975.
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My Aunt Phyllis was
a free spirit.
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She was an artist,
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00:24:02,614 --> 00:24:05,093
but she never knew
how to act her age,
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00:24:05,094 --> 00:24:08,793
so it made for a real fun
playmate for us,
348
00:24:08,794 --> 00:24:14,235
and she always seemed very happy
and smiling.
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00:24:15,105 --> 00:24:20,023
She met Guy
at an EST training seminar.
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00:24:21,068 --> 00:24:25,026
EST was some sort of
a self-development program
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00:24:25,027 --> 00:24:29,553
that existed in
the '60s and '70s.
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00:24:29,554 --> 00:24:33,208
She was excited about him
at that time.
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00:24:33,209 --> 00:24:37,691
An actor, artist,
antique dealer.
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00:24:37,692 --> 00:24:40,433
After a, as my
Aunt Phyllis put it,
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whirlwind courtship,
I think just a few months.
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She divorced her husband.
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00:24:48,225 --> 00:24:53,709
They got married,
and he became part of our life.
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In those years
when I knew Guy, 1975 to 1980,
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00:25:01,194 --> 00:25:05,676
Guy was a little loud,
used his hands a lot.
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00:25:05,677 --> 00:25:09,810
It was all about him
and all his stories.
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00:25:09,811 --> 00:25:13,335
Basically Guy wanted to be
the center of attention.
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00:25:13,336 --> 00:25:17,035
He had stories about everything.
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00:25:17,036 --> 00:25:21,909
I don't know what percentage
of those stories were true.
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00:25:21,910 --> 00:25:25,567
Nobody knew the true,
real Guy Muldavin.
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00:25:26,437 --> 00:25:32,052
And I think that's probably when
my aunt realized the dark side.
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My aunt would say his eyes got
dark and his look changed,
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00:25:40,581 --> 00:25:42,975
and she would just leave
the room.
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00:25:48,329 --> 00:25:50,111
After my aunt passed away,
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00:25:50,112 --> 00:25:53,813
my mom and I were cleaning out
her house.
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00:25:55,336 --> 00:26:00,774
Here's a piece
from my aunt's journal.
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"My second husband had
a dark side
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00:26:02,908 --> 00:26:07,043
that I surfed around
to avoid the unknown of that."
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00:26:08,088 --> 00:26:11,002
"I was totally still
in love with Guy.
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00:26:11,003 --> 00:26:14,527
I could never get answers from
about why he behaved the way
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00:26:14,528 --> 00:26:18,836
he did without ever justifying
it or any explanation.
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00:26:18,837 --> 00:26:22,623
I'm still trying
to piece all of this together."
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00:26:28,804 --> 00:26:31,413
During the years
that he was with my aunt,
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00:26:31,414 --> 00:26:36,636
Guy wrote what he described
as a cookbook called
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00:26:36,637 --> 00:26:38,508
"Cooking with Rump Oil."
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00:26:42,644 --> 00:26:47,170
It is so bizarre,
and so twisted.
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00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:49,694
And just so troubling.
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00:26:57,572 --> 00:27:00,053
Couldn't make any sense of it.
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00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:04,751
"To my wife, Phyllis Smirle.
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00:27:04,752 --> 00:27:08,537
Phyllis has proved to me
that love, beastology,
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00:27:08,538 --> 00:27:12,890
and rump oil can walk
together hand in paw."
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00:27:12,891 --> 00:27:15,720
That makes more sense
than anything else in this book.
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00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:24,597
My Aunt Phyllis and Guy Muldavin
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00:27:24,598 --> 00:27:29,950
only lived together for about
four-and-a-half to five years,
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00:27:29,951 --> 00:27:33,782
and at that point,
she made him leave.
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00:27:34,565 --> 00:27:37,741
I've often wondered
how my Aunt Phyllis kicked Guy
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00:27:37,742 --> 00:27:41,746
out without becoming
a victim herself.
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00:27:45,838 --> 00:27:47,881
He became a radio talk show host
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00:27:47,882 --> 00:27:51,798
and he was on the radio
every week.
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00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,409
"Muldavin has introduced
programs dealing with
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00:27:54,410 --> 00:27:57,412
homosexuality,
the erosion of culture,
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00:27:57,413 --> 00:28:01,897
and his belief that
killing has become a habit."
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00:28:11,472 --> 00:28:15,561
After we were able to identify
the Lady of the Dunes
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00:28:15,562 --> 00:28:21,393
as Ruth Marie Terry, it was
such a ruckus from the DA.
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00:28:21,394 --> 00:28:24,267
Basically, kind of had
a little temper tantrum.
400
00:28:26,487 --> 00:28:30,663
Detective Lobur,
she was the driving force
401
00:28:30,664 --> 00:28:34,885
to get this case solved,
and yet,
402
00:28:34,886 --> 00:28:39,150
not only did she
not get any accolades for it,
403
00:28:39,151 --> 00:28:44,504
she got persecuted for it by
the district attorney's office.
404
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:52,511
After the case was solved,
the newly elected
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00:28:52,512 --> 00:28:54,513
Cape and Islands
District Attorney
406
00:28:54,514 --> 00:28:58,082
launched an investigation
into Detective Lobur's actions.
407
00:28:58,083 --> 00:28:59,953
A detective pivotal
in helping to solve
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00:28:59,954 --> 00:29:02,347
the Lady of the Dunes case...
409
00:29:02,348 --> 00:29:06,786
The new DA who had no role
in identifying Ruth Marie Terry
410
00:29:06,787 --> 00:29:09,484
claimed that I acted improperly,
411
00:29:09,485 --> 00:29:14,011
that I didn't have the authority
to do the exhumation,
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00:29:14,012 --> 00:29:16,928
that I didn't have
the proper certificates.
413
00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:24,891
It sounds crazy,
but, you know, there was
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00:29:24,892 --> 00:29:31,550
retribution for identifying her
and using the FBI to do it
415
00:29:31,551 --> 00:29:38,298
and probably being a woman and
being an outsider from Boston.
416
00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:44,258
I did an exhumation.
I know what the procedures are,
417
00:29:44,259 --> 00:29:45,999
and she didn't do
anything wrong.
418
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,827
They didn't persecute me.
419
00:29:47,828 --> 00:29:52,614
I insisted on having
what they call a Brady hearing,
420
00:29:52,615 --> 00:29:56,836
laying everything out, why
the exhumation was necessary,
421
00:29:56,837 --> 00:30:00,537
how the exhumation
was authorized.
422
00:30:01,277 --> 00:30:04,583
The ultimate decision was
the DA's,
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00:30:04,584 --> 00:30:09,066
and I was placed on a Brady list
for doing the exhumation
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00:30:09,067 --> 00:30:12,852
without proper authority.
425
00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:18,425
I had always said
there would be retribution.
426
00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:22,209
The DA's office sent this
letter to Provincetown Police,
427
00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:25,125
notifying them
that Detective Meredith Lobur
428
00:30:25,126 --> 00:30:26,866
had been placed
on their Brady list,
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00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:30,174
which compromises
her integrity in investigations.
430
00:30:30,175 --> 00:30:33,830
A Brady violation is saying
that an officer is
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00:30:33,831 --> 00:30:37,181
untrustworthy,
they don't follow procedures.
432
00:30:37,182 --> 00:30:39,531
It questions their credibility.
433
00:30:39,532 --> 00:30:42,752
Which basically just kills
their career.
434
00:30:46,627 --> 00:30:50,237
Detective Lobur got the FBI
involved, and that's what led
435
00:30:50,238 --> 00:30:53,371
to identifying
the Lady in the Dunes.
436
00:30:53,372 --> 00:30:55,416
Because of the Brady List,
437
00:30:55,417 --> 00:30:57,592
I couldn't risk questions
about my credibility
438
00:30:57,593 --> 00:31:02,902
impacting the case
or the outcome of a case,
439
00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:07,474
so I voluntarily retired
in 2023.
440
00:31:08,518 --> 00:31:11,911
I was basically forced
to retire.
441
00:31:11,912 --> 00:31:15,741
Knowing the ramifications,
would I do anything differently?
442
00:31:15,742 --> 00:31:17,658
No.
443
00:31:20,704 --> 00:31:22,530
50 years later,
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00:31:22,531 --> 00:31:24,750
Massachusetts' longest
unidentified homicide case,
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00:31:24,751 --> 00:31:27,666
the Lady of the Dunes,
has officially been closed.
446
00:31:27,667 --> 00:31:30,495
Investigators concluded
Ruth Marie Terry was killed
447
00:31:30,496 --> 00:31:33,934
by her husband,
identified as Guy Muldavin.
448
00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:41,201
I got a call
from the state police officer
449
00:31:41,202 --> 00:31:43,595
from Massachusetts,
450
00:31:43,596 --> 00:31:48,817
and he informed me that they
were going to close Ruth's case.
451
00:31:48,818 --> 00:31:51,385
The state police
never revealed what evidence
452
00:31:51,386 --> 00:31:53,692
they used to close the case
453
00:31:53,693 --> 00:31:57,524
and say Guy Muldavin was
the most likely suspect.
454
00:31:58,220 --> 00:32:00,177
There's so many cases.
455
00:32:00,178 --> 00:32:02,266
You know, domestic violence is
so prevalent
456
00:32:02,267 --> 00:32:04,878
in so many homicides.
457
00:32:07,882 --> 00:32:10,535
She was referred to
as the Lady of the Dunes.
458
00:32:10,536 --> 00:32:13,190
The DA says Muldavin is
also a prime suspect
459
00:32:13,191 --> 00:32:15,279
in the disappearance of another,
460
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,066
earlier wife and stepdaughter
in Seattle.
461
00:32:20,764 --> 00:32:28,683
You have a man who's suspected
of dismembering his wife
462
00:32:28,684 --> 00:32:34,430
and a step-daughter, and
then you have this book...
463
00:32:35,823 --> 00:32:39,999
...where there are these recipes
and these creatures,
464
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,828
these images that he drew--
465
00:32:42,829 --> 00:32:48,442
animal, human-like, and some
of the recipes are so troubling.
466
00:32:48,443 --> 00:32:52,620
And there's this specific one
called Cape Cod Shid,
467
00:32:52,621 --> 00:32:56,755
and when you look at
that image that he drew,
468
00:32:56,756 --> 00:33:01,934
and you compare it to Ruth's
hair, there are similarities.
469
00:33:01,935 --> 00:33:03,805
Julia Cowley,
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00:33:03,806 --> 00:33:05,590
who has analyzed some
of the most horrific cases
471
00:33:05,591 --> 00:33:08,027
involving serial killers
in the country,
472
00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:11,813
sharing her expertise in
the murder of Ruth Marie Terry.
473
00:33:11,814 --> 00:33:14,903
"The tender look
will become one of despair."
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00:33:14,904 --> 00:33:19,604
You have to think
that perhaps that was the moment
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00:33:19,605 --> 00:33:22,389
he watched the life go out
of her eyes,
476
00:33:22,390 --> 00:33:24,913
when she realized,
he's going to kill me.
477
00:33:24,914 --> 00:33:28,004
And it's horrifying.
478
00:33:28,005 --> 00:33:29,962
Is he writing about Ruth?
479
00:33:29,963 --> 00:33:33,748
Is he writing about the moment
he murdered her
480
00:33:33,749 --> 00:33:37,622
in the dunes of
Provincetown, on Cape Cod?
481
00:33:37,623 --> 00:33:41,147
Kind of ironic that
he put that picture in there.
482
00:33:41,148 --> 00:33:43,019
It was nuts.
483
00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:47,458
The craziest part of the whole
thing is that somehow,
484
00:33:47,459 --> 00:33:52,987
he marketed himself on radio
a few times, on television.
485
00:33:53,944 --> 00:33:57,513
He was interviewed.
He was on a cooking show.
486
00:34:00,690 --> 00:34:05,173
As you read it,
it just makes you sick.
487
00:34:09,395 --> 00:34:12,265
Her family remembers
how Ruth wasn't herself
488
00:34:12,266 --> 00:34:14,659
when Muldavin was by her side.
489
00:34:14,660 --> 00:34:17,096
I really would like
to know why.
490
00:34:17,097 --> 00:34:21,405
Why would he--
why would he kill her?
491
00:34:21,406 --> 00:34:23,668
What did that accomplish?
492
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:27,107
And I just hope
since 1974, he's been in agony.
493
00:34:30,894 --> 00:34:34,940
Muldavin was alive until 2002.
494
00:34:34,941 --> 00:34:36,898
Had they had that DNA,
495
00:34:36,899 --> 00:34:41,251
maybe this case would
have been solved decades ago.
496
00:34:41,252 --> 00:34:44,995
I wish he was still alive
so he could face what he did.
497
00:34:45,692 --> 00:34:48,519
Unfortunately, I don't think
Guy Muldavin ever got
498
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,565
what he deserved.
499
00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:58,137
For the family of
Ruth and Lady of the Dunes,
500
00:34:58,138 --> 00:35:02,098
nothing brings your family back
or gets you over all the trauma,
501
00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:07,931
but I'm sure it's nice to have
him listed as the reason for it.
502
00:35:09,063 --> 00:35:11,107
It doesn't haunt me anymore.
503
00:35:11,108 --> 00:35:14,676
I'm happy for the family.
I'm happy for her son, Richard.
504
00:35:24,034 --> 00:35:28,863
That was my mom,
and to have somebody brutally,
505
00:35:28,864 --> 00:35:31,475
you know, beat her like that,
you know, to death.
506
00:35:31,476 --> 00:35:35,524
I just...
it's really hit me at my core.
507
00:35:36,395 --> 00:35:38,482
We drove to Provincetown,
508
00:35:38,483 --> 00:35:40,919
and, you know, we're gonna
have a small get-together
509
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,880
around her burial site.
510
00:35:45,317 --> 00:35:47,797
I want to touch the ground
where my mom is.
511
00:35:48,668 --> 00:35:52,191
I'm still waiting for Richard
to come back to real life
512
00:35:52,192 --> 00:35:55,455
and that he'll go back
to the way we used to be.
513
00:35:55,456 --> 00:35:57,892
Everybody's got trauma
in their life,
514
00:35:57,893 --> 00:35:59,938
but it matters
how you deal with it
515
00:35:59,939 --> 00:36:03,637
and go forward
to face that trauma.
516
00:36:03,638 --> 00:36:06,466
You know, it's about going to
the cemetery tomorrow
517
00:36:06,467 --> 00:36:10,168
and, you know,
putting that closure there.
518
00:36:10,646 --> 00:36:12,472
It's gonna be
a little bit rough tomorrow,
519
00:36:12,473 --> 00:36:14,650
to be perfectly honest with you.
520
00:36:15,608 --> 00:36:17,738
Yeah.
- It's gonna be good.
521
00:36:17,739 --> 00:36:20,089
Probably gonna hurt like hell.
522
00:37:02,916 --> 00:37:05,482
Until recently,
I didn't really know, you know,
523
00:37:05,483 --> 00:37:07,485
I'd never really
heard of Provincetown before.
524
00:37:11,316 --> 00:37:13,535
Yeah, this town looks so cool.
525
00:37:14,493 --> 00:37:16,884
What I really wonder about is,
you know,
526
00:37:16,885 --> 00:37:19,104
where did my mom walk
around here?
527
00:37:19,105 --> 00:37:21,717
You know what I mean?
Did she know anybody here?
528
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:26,633
One of the main reasons to come
here was to say thank you.
529
00:37:26,634 --> 00:37:29,680
I want to say thank you
to the community for, you know,
530
00:37:29,681 --> 00:37:34,163
providing her a place
at the cemetery.
531
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:43,913
For today.
532
00:37:45,654 --> 00:37:47,437
Thank you so much
for coming, man.
533
00:37:47,438 --> 00:37:50,353
Richard invited us to come up
to Provincetown, Massachusetts,
534
00:37:50,354 --> 00:37:53,791
to have a service.
535
00:37:53,792 --> 00:37:55,271
In the name of the Father
and of the Son
536
00:37:55,272 --> 00:37:57,273
and of the holy spirit.
537
00:37:57,274 --> 00:38:01,799
Our sister, Ruth, has gone to
her rest in the peace of Christ.
538
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,715
May Ruth's soul and the souls
of all the faithful departed,
539
00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:07,371
for the mercy of God,
rest in peace.
540
00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:13,637
I want to thank y'all
for coming.
541
00:38:13,638 --> 00:38:16,379
I thank God for
the DNA test that...
542
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:19,164
you got me to do.
543
00:38:19,165 --> 00:38:20,905
I thank God for all the Terrys.
544
00:38:20,906 --> 00:38:23,081
You guys are wonderful people.
545
00:38:23,082 --> 00:38:29,130
You made me feel so at home, and
you made me feel like family.
546
00:38:29,131 --> 00:38:31,176
You know what I mean?
547
00:38:31,177 --> 00:38:33,178
And I want to thank you all
from the bottom of my heart.
548
00:38:33,179 --> 00:38:34,877
You know.
549
00:38:36,662 --> 00:38:39,489
What a day, man.
I felt your dad, man.
550
00:38:39,490 --> 00:38:41,099
It was like, I felt him.
551
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:42,666
I'll show you him,
down the street.
552
00:38:42,667 --> 00:38:44,450
He's resting over there.
553
00:38:44,451 --> 00:38:47,020
No worries.
554
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:50,761
So, there's my father,
there's my mother.
555
00:38:50,762 --> 00:38:54,070
Chief Meads was the kingpin
in all of this.
556
00:38:54,810 --> 00:38:58,421
He had the thoughtfulness
to preserve her,
557
00:38:58,422 --> 00:39:00,988
give her a proper burial
at the church.
558
00:39:00,989 --> 00:39:04,472
Man.
559
00:39:04,951 --> 00:39:09,170
I was emotional,
like, seeing my father,
560
00:39:09,171 --> 00:39:12,565
what his face would look like
if he was at home
561
00:39:12,566 --> 00:39:16,961
and they found out who she was.
562
00:39:16,962 --> 00:39:20,791
God bless him.
God bless him.
563
00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:22,053
Man.
564
00:39:22,054 --> 00:39:23,794
Did you talk
to Meredith at all?
565
00:39:23,795 --> 00:39:25,448
- Pardon?
- The detective, Meredith?
566
00:39:25,449 --> 00:39:26,797
- Over there?
- Yeah.
567
00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:27,885
See the girl with the glasses?
568
00:39:27,886 --> 00:39:31,630
- Okay.
- Meredith!
569
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:36,850
She devoted most of her life
to solving my mom's case.
570
00:39:36,851 --> 00:39:39,507
Meredith is
an outstanding person.
571
00:39:40,856 --> 00:39:42,552
- Hi. How are you?
- How do you do?
572
00:39:42,553 --> 00:39:44,510
- I'm good. How are you?
- I'm doing well.
573
00:39:44,511 --> 00:39:46,643
You're a gentleman.
574
00:39:46,644 --> 00:39:48,775
- Thank you.
- It's nice to meet you.
575
00:39:48,776 --> 00:39:50,647
- You as well.
- How are you doing?
576
00:39:50,648 --> 00:39:53,476
Ah, I have no idea.
577
00:39:53,477 --> 00:39:56,219
You know,
it was a horrible thing.
578
00:39:57,220 --> 00:40:00,439
But from that horrible thing,
it brought me to my family,
579
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,571
you know what I mean?
580
00:40:01,572 --> 00:40:03,355
I didn't know who I was.
581
00:40:03,356 --> 00:40:06,967
I didn't know
that I had a real family.
582
00:40:06,968 --> 00:40:08,839
If it wasn't for what
you people did, you know,
583
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,450
what the police did,
what the community did,
584
00:40:11,451 --> 00:40:12,843
none of this
would've been possible.
585
00:40:12,844 --> 00:40:14,584
You know what I mean?
586
00:40:14,585 --> 00:40:17,238
And all my life I wondered
what...
587
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,588
who am I?
588
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:19,850
Like, you know,
where I come from?
589
00:40:19,851 --> 00:40:22,026
And I never in a million years
590
00:40:22,027 --> 00:40:24,158
thought I would ever find any
of these answers,
591
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:25,856
and I just want to
thank you all.
592
00:40:25,857 --> 00:40:27,248
You know what I mean?
593
00:40:27,249 --> 00:40:30,034
Thank you all
for doing what you did.
594
00:40:30,035 --> 00:40:32,428
That's what it was
all about-- today.
595
00:40:32,429 --> 00:40:34,255
Thank you.
596
00:40:34,256 --> 00:40:35,996
I feel hopeful
597
00:40:35,997 --> 00:40:39,262
because of the ultimate
resolution of this case.
598
00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:43,830
We know her name, and...
599
00:40:43,831 --> 00:40:45,919
she has a family.
600
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,096
Well, you all
kept my mom front and center.
601
00:40:49,097 --> 00:40:52,448
- Well, she's at peace now.
- Now she is.
602
00:40:52,449 --> 00:40:54,319
Yeah.
603
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,541
There was this reunification
604
00:40:58,542 --> 00:41:04,634
and a family got
their loved one back,
605
00:41:04,635 --> 00:41:07,290
and somebody got to go home.
606
00:41:11,033 --> 00:41:13,251
You know, for this huge part
of the town's history
607
00:41:13,252 --> 00:41:16,384
for the past five decades
to be solved,
608
00:41:16,385 --> 00:41:20,084
a bleary-eyed town
sort of was like, "Say what?"
609
00:41:20,085 --> 00:41:23,349
You could feel it.
It was like a crackling energy.
610
00:41:26,222 --> 00:41:30,442
I think collectively there was,
like, this sort of resolution.
611
00:41:30,443 --> 00:41:33,010
It was, like,
a kind of relief in a way
612
00:41:33,011 --> 00:41:35,275
that we now know who she is.
613
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:42,282
It was a good day.
It was a really good day.
614
00:41:43,152 --> 00:41:47,111
I'm just happy that there's
a name on that grave,
615
00:41:47,112 --> 00:41:53,118
and hopefully Ruth
is resting peacefully, finally.
616
00:41:57,340 --> 00:42:00,996
I believe the reason I'm here
is so I can tell my mom's story.
617
00:42:01,649 --> 00:42:05,565
So, it's like,
what's why I'm here.
618
00:42:16,142 --> 00:42:21,406
I ended up losing my career
because of this.
619
00:42:21,407 --> 00:42:24,496
But of course it was worth it.
620
00:42:24,497 --> 00:42:29,851
I'd do it all over again
and twice on Tuesday.
49685
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