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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,220 --> 00:00:06,091 The oldest unidentified homicide victim 2 00:00:06,092 --> 00:00:08,049 in Massachusetts... 3 00:00:08,050 --> 00:00:10,486 This is a legendary case. 4 00:00:10,487 --> 00:00:12,880 Over the decades, there have been many theories 5 00:00:12,881 --> 00:00:15,361 about what could've happened to her. 6 00:00:15,362 --> 00:00:20,496 Why would you throw away the evidence to an unsolved murder? 7 00:00:20,497 --> 00:00:24,544 Anything that could lead to the identification 8 00:00:24,545 --> 00:00:27,112 of the Lady of the Dunes was gonna be met 9 00:00:27,113 --> 00:00:29,942 with resistance from the top. 10 00:00:30,465 --> 00:00:34,382 All my life, I've always wondered who my mom was. 11 00:00:34,991 --> 00:00:39,167 She is Ruth Marie Terry. 12 00:00:39,168 --> 00:00:41,865 We find out who the victim is, and then it's like, 13 00:00:41,866 --> 00:00:44,868 okay, now who killed her? 14 00:00:44,869 --> 00:00:46,566 She met this guy. 15 00:00:46,567 --> 00:00:49,177 Shortly after that, they got married. 16 00:00:49,178 --> 00:00:53,053 Nobody knew anything about the guy. 17 00:00:54,141 --> 00:00:56,055 Then she vanishes. 18 00:01:22,778 --> 00:01:26,345 This table here is just all the stuff I've been, you know, 19 00:01:26,346 --> 00:01:28,347 ever since I found out about my mom, 20 00:01:28,348 --> 00:01:31,524 about Ruth, I started gathering all, 21 00:01:31,525 --> 00:01:35,310 any information I would get, you know. 22 00:01:35,311 --> 00:01:37,051 These pictures here and the one here, 23 00:01:37,052 --> 00:01:39,838 she's like 15, 16-years-old. 24 00:01:43,494 --> 00:01:46,669 This shot here, you can really see resemblance there of me 25 00:01:46,670 --> 00:01:48,889 and her, especially when I smile, you know. 26 00:01:48,890 --> 00:01:50,978 That's where I got that beautiful smile from. 27 00:01:50,979 --> 00:01:53,285 This is this is the one 28 00:01:53,286 --> 00:01:56,420 that when her and Guy got married. 29 00:02:00,642 --> 00:02:03,338 After, you know, Ruth and Guy went to Tennessee 30 00:02:03,339 --> 00:02:05,210 and met the family, then they left. 31 00:02:05,211 --> 00:02:08,389 They really never heard from Ruth again. 32 00:02:10,260 --> 00:02:12,217 It was difficult 33 00:02:12,218 --> 00:02:15,744 because her family had no idea about his past. 34 00:02:20,618 --> 00:02:23,097 Guy Muldavin, according to the files that I read, 35 00:02:23,098 --> 00:02:25,232 he was born in New York City. 36 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:31,584 Guy Muldavin was adopted. 37 00:02:31,585 --> 00:02:36,939 His father had issues with alcohol and mental illness. 38 00:02:37,592 --> 00:02:42,160 Guy moved with his mother to the state of New Mexico. 39 00:02:42,161 --> 00:02:45,554 Years later, his dad purchased land 40 00:02:45,555 --> 00:02:47,863 and properties in Provincetown. 41 00:02:49,995 --> 00:02:51,865 Around that time, 42 00:02:51,866 --> 00:02:56,783 Guy taught at some sort of acting academy, 43 00:02:56,784 --> 00:03:00,613 and that's where he met his first wife, Jo Ellen Loop, 44 00:03:00,614 --> 00:03:02,528 and then she became pregnant 45 00:03:02,529 --> 00:03:04,662 and eventually ended up living in Seattle. 46 00:03:10,755 --> 00:03:14,931 At that point, Guy had created a business 47 00:03:14,932 --> 00:03:17,197 for himself of selling antiques. 48 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:20,198 He was an antiquity dealer, 49 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:22,811 and, you know, he had a silver tongue. 50 00:03:25,596 --> 00:03:28,510 He seemed to be a womanizer. 51 00:03:28,511 --> 00:03:30,817 There were stories that, you know, 52 00:03:30,818 --> 00:03:36,692 he liked to entertain women in the antique shop after hours. 53 00:03:36,693 --> 00:03:39,652 He drew women to him, like as if he was this, you know, 54 00:03:39,653 --> 00:03:42,222 Rudolf Valentino kind of character. 55 00:03:44,311 --> 00:03:46,441 But what made part of this difficult for us 56 00:03:46,442 --> 00:03:51,231 also is that Guy Muldavin had so many aliases. 57 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:56,059 Some are the official ones, some are made-up names. 58 00:03:56,060 --> 00:03:59,019 Guy Muldavin. Guy Rockwell. 59 00:03:59,020 --> 00:04:00,977 And there was Raoul Rockwell. 60 00:04:00,978 --> 00:04:03,850 There was Raoul Guy Rockwell. 61 00:04:03,851 --> 00:04:07,984 - Raoul Muldavin. - Guy Rockwell Muldavin. 62 00:04:07,985 --> 00:04:12,511 And he switched those three around multiple times. 63 00:04:12,512 --> 00:04:15,905 He just had so many aliases. 64 00:04:15,906 --> 00:04:20,301 He taught Ruth how to use fake names. 65 00:04:20,302 --> 00:04:23,437 We will never know completely who Guy was. 66 00:04:27,441 --> 00:04:31,573 He was married for about a decade to Jo Ellen Loop. 67 00:04:31,574 --> 00:04:34,576 That marriage ends, and very, 68 00:04:34,577 --> 00:04:37,799 very quickly, he marries another woman. 69 00:04:39,322 --> 00:04:41,672 Manzanita Mearns was 40-years-old. 70 00:04:44,022 --> 00:04:49,069 Manzanita met Guy Rockwell in the spring of 1955 71 00:04:49,070 --> 00:04:51,291 in his antique store. 72 00:04:52,292 --> 00:04:56,250 She and her 18-year-old daughter, Dolores, 73 00:04:56,251 --> 00:04:58,733 moved to Seattle to live with him. 74 00:05:01,910 --> 00:05:04,606 In 2019, I started working on the case 75 00:05:04,607 --> 00:05:07,087 of Manzanita and Dolores. 76 00:05:07,088 --> 00:05:10,310 At the time, I'd not heard of the Lady of Dunes. 77 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:23,408 The story of Manzanita Rockwell and Dolores Mearns 78 00:05:23,409 --> 00:05:26,021 unfolded in a strange manner. 79 00:05:27,065 --> 00:05:34,027 In April of 1960, Guy Rockwell approached an attorney and said, 80 00:05:34,028 --> 00:05:38,248 "My wife Manzanita abandoned me. 81 00:05:38,249 --> 00:05:40,340 I need a divorce." 82 00:05:41,645 --> 00:05:43,602 He was granted the divorce within three months 83 00:05:43,603 --> 00:05:47,562 because she never showed up to contest the divorce. 84 00:05:47,563 --> 00:05:51,481 And just days later, he marries Evelyn. 85 00:05:56,878 --> 00:06:03,926 July 29, 1960, Guy Rockwell marries Evelyn Emerson, 86 00:06:03,927 --> 00:06:07,539 whom he had been dating for about four months. 87 00:06:07,540 --> 00:06:10,370 The Emersons were an established family. 88 00:06:13,111 --> 00:06:15,634 Guy Rockwell came to Evelyn's family 89 00:06:15,635 --> 00:06:20,554 and had a plan to make money with his antique dealings. 90 00:06:21,424 --> 00:06:24,425 He said he could travel to Canada 91 00:06:24,426 --> 00:06:26,862 and purchase $8,000 in antiques, 92 00:06:26,863 --> 00:06:31,171 bring them back over the border, and sell them for $16,000, 93 00:06:31,172 --> 00:06:34,130 and he was in the process of raising funds. 94 00:06:34,131 --> 00:06:36,655 In order to avoid paying customs and taxes, 95 00:06:36,656 --> 00:06:38,439 he was going to take the antiques back 96 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,703 to the United States in a speedboat by night, 97 00:06:41,704 --> 00:06:45,448 smuggling merchandise, you know, by the light of the moon. 98 00:06:46,536 --> 00:06:49,232 The Emersons thought this was a fantastic idea, 99 00:06:49,233 --> 00:06:53,761 and Evelyn Emerson's mother wrote Guy Rockwell a check. 100 00:06:54,805 --> 00:07:00,200 August 3, 1960, Guy Rockwell calls Evelyn Emerson, tells her, 101 00:07:00,201 --> 00:07:04,030 "I'm at the airport, I'm on a flight to Vancouver tonight. 102 00:07:04,031 --> 00:07:06,859 Be in touch soon." 103 00:07:06,860 --> 00:07:09,994 That was the last time they hear from him. 104 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:14,997 So, seven days goes by, and they contact their attorney. 105 00:07:14,998 --> 00:07:17,391 The attorney contacts the police department, 106 00:07:17,392 --> 00:07:19,175 said, "I want to report a missing person 107 00:07:19,176 --> 00:07:21,351 who stole my client's money." 108 00:07:21,352 --> 00:07:24,746 Detectives got Guy Rockwell charge with larceny. 109 00:07:24,747 --> 00:07:28,622 That next day, an arrest warrant was issued for him. 110 00:07:33,888 --> 00:07:37,759 He abandoned Evelyn Emerson and took off with $8,000 111 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,807 and told this crazy story about going to Canada. 112 00:07:41,808 --> 00:07:48,509 Just a constant charade of lies, mis-truths, different stories. 113 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:50,685 It's never-ending. 114 00:07:50,686 --> 00:07:54,474 It's like he was incapable of telling the same story twice. 115 00:07:57,781 --> 00:08:00,521 Meanwhile, no one had heard from Manzanita or Dolores 116 00:08:00,522 --> 00:08:01,872 in all this time. 117 00:08:04,222 --> 00:08:07,965 About four months, and there was no sign of them. 118 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:11,576 Detectives, as they were collecting information 119 00:08:11,577 --> 00:08:13,752 regarding his background, 120 00:08:13,753 --> 00:08:17,364 they of course immediately heard about Manzanita and Dolores. 121 00:08:17,365 --> 00:08:19,888 Manzanita had two other children 122 00:08:19,889 --> 00:08:23,370 who lived with her ex-husband in Canada. 123 00:08:23,371 --> 00:08:26,721 So, they contacted Manzanita's ex-husband and Dolores' 124 00:08:26,722 --> 00:08:29,115 father, William Mearns. 125 00:08:29,116 --> 00:08:31,552 And William Mearns told the investigators 126 00:08:31,553 --> 00:08:34,163 that he had not heard from Manzanita 127 00:08:34,164 --> 00:08:37,732 since March 12th of 1960. 128 00:08:37,733 --> 00:08:41,301 That was very strange because she would come see her 129 00:08:41,302 --> 00:08:43,608 other two children every month. 130 00:08:43,609 --> 00:08:46,524 She wouldn't miss. 131 00:08:46,525 --> 00:08:49,962 At first it was just, "They're gone. 132 00:08:49,963 --> 00:08:51,746 Where are they?" 133 00:08:51,747 --> 00:08:56,316 But then Seattle police began finding evidence 134 00:08:56,317 --> 00:08:58,233 of a horrific crime. 135 00:09:05,066 --> 00:09:06,587 Interview, take one, marker. 136 00:09:06,588 --> 00:09:09,331 My name is Christina Mearns. 137 00:09:10,201 --> 00:09:12,941 Manzanita Mearns was my grandmother, 138 00:09:12,942 --> 00:09:15,857 and Dolores Mearns was my aunt. 139 00:09:15,858 --> 00:09:19,382 My grandfather, William, and my grandmother, Manzanita, 140 00:09:19,383 --> 00:09:26,389 they had three children, and she chose to divorce my grandfather 141 00:09:26,390 --> 00:09:29,133 and married Raoul Guy Rockwell. 142 00:09:37,664 --> 00:09:40,708 My grandmother couldn't take the girls 143 00:09:40,709 --> 00:09:43,583 that were younger because they're not of age. 144 00:09:44,496 --> 00:09:46,932 Dolores made that choice to go when she graduated 145 00:09:46,933 --> 00:09:50,154 and then started college in Seattle. 146 00:09:52,417 --> 00:09:54,069 My mother and my aunt 147 00:09:54,070 --> 00:09:57,422 stayed with my grandfather in Vancouver. 148 00:09:58,641 --> 00:10:03,731 My aunt remembers meeting Guy Rockwell a few times. 149 00:10:03,732 --> 00:10:06,908 She doesn't remember him being loving. 150 00:10:06,909 --> 00:10:09,868 Very cold and distant. 151 00:10:09,869 --> 00:10:11,609 I don't think he ever tried to have conversations 152 00:10:11,610 --> 00:10:13,525 with the other kids. 153 00:10:14,526 --> 00:10:18,006 My mom and my aunt both have talked about knowing 154 00:10:18,007 --> 00:10:22,317 of something going wrong with my grandmother, Manzanita. 155 00:10:24,711 --> 00:10:28,756 Because she came from Seattle to Vancouver like clockwork, 156 00:10:28,757 --> 00:10:32,240 and all a sudden, one month she didn't show up. 157 00:10:33,415 --> 00:10:35,983 She'd never not shown up before. 158 00:10:40,378 --> 00:10:42,335 When three weeks or so went by, 159 00:10:42,336 --> 00:10:44,859 William Mearns called Guy Rockwell on the phone 160 00:10:44,860 --> 00:10:48,471 and said, "Let me talk to Manzanita," and Guy Rockwell 161 00:10:48,472 --> 00:10:51,692 told William Mearns, "She and Dolores left, 162 00:10:51,693 --> 00:10:54,477 I don't know where they went." 163 00:10:54,478 --> 00:10:58,133 The second week of August 1960, 164 00:10:58,134 --> 00:11:01,746 detectives talked to William Mearns. 165 00:11:01,747 --> 00:11:05,314 This isn't the type of family circumstance 166 00:11:05,315 --> 00:11:09,537 that you would typically see people just turn their back on. 167 00:11:14,761 --> 00:11:17,065 So, detectives were having to backtrack 168 00:11:17,066 --> 00:11:19,328 to the first weekend of April to try 169 00:11:19,329 --> 00:11:21,550 and figure out what was going on. 170 00:11:22,551 --> 00:11:26,684 Dolores Mearns attended her English 101 class 171 00:11:26,685 --> 00:11:30,339 on Friday, April 1st, 172 00:11:30,340 --> 00:11:32,995 and then she didn't come to school on Monday. 173 00:11:35,042 --> 00:11:36,868 Manzanita worked as a clerk 174 00:11:36,869 --> 00:11:40,959 at the Seattle Trust and Savings Bank downtown. 175 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,614 She worked on Friday, April 1st, and again, like Dolores, 176 00:11:44,615 --> 00:11:46,617 did not show up on Monday. 177 00:11:50,535 --> 00:11:52,492 Several months have gone by. 178 00:11:52,493 --> 00:11:54,450 No one's heard from Manzanita. 179 00:11:54,451 --> 00:11:57,018 No one's heard from Dolores. 180 00:11:57,019 --> 00:11:59,760 The only person who said that Manzanita and Dolores 181 00:11:59,761 --> 00:12:03,157 just ran away was Guy Rockwell. 182 00:12:03,984 --> 00:12:08,943 And Guy Rockwell goes from getting granted a divorce, 183 00:12:08,944 --> 00:12:12,555 to remarrying and then disappearing from his new wife 184 00:12:12,556 --> 00:12:17,125 within the same seven-day period, just months 185 00:12:17,126 --> 00:12:20,391 after Manzanita and Dolores disappeared. 186 00:12:21,697 --> 00:12:26,441 Meanwhile Guy's neighbor started to smell this scent. 187 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:33,315 Guy had told his neighbor that it was spoiled crab 188 00:12:33,316 --> 00:12:37,365 that he had thrown away and it was just the smell of that. 189 00:12:39,019 --> 00:12:41,497 So, detectives became worried 190 00:12:41,498 --> 00:12:44,109 that something more sinister had happened 191 00:12:44,110 --> 00:12:46,504 to Manzanita and Dolores. 192 00:12:48,898 --> 00:12:51,072 August 26, 1960, 193 00:12:51,073 --> 00:12:55,729 the police went to Guy Rockwell's residence, 194 00:12:55,730 --> 00:12:58,255 who now was still missing. 195 00:13:00,431 --> 00:13:03,478 This was his residence, and this was his antique shop. 196 00:13:07,003 --> 00:13:09,787 They recognized that the septic tank 197 00:13:09,788 --> 00:13:12,879 had been cemented over recently. 198 00:13:14,271 --> 00:13:16,141 And over the next few days, 199 00:13:16,142 --> 00:13:19,580 they picked out pieces of human remains. 200 00:13:24,978 --> 00:13:28,329 Body parts cut up, the bones were sawed. 201 00:13:29,112 --> 00:13:30,809 Some of the hair was burnt. 202 00:13:32,463 --> 00:13:34,986 Slowly the investigators were able to move upstairs 203 00:13:34,987 --> 00:13:36,423 into the attic area. 204 00:13:43,431 --> 00:13:44,865 And then they stumbled 205 00:13:44,866 --> 00:13:48,175 upon what clearly was a gruesome crime scene. 206 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,485 They find teeth, they find blood. 207 00:13:56,313 --> 00:13:59,488 It was clear to the coroner that the body parts 208 00:13:59,489 --> 00:14:04,320 belonged to a young woman around the age of 18-years-old. 209 00:14:10,501 --> 00:14:15,200 The initial analysis identified a blood type of O, 210 00:14:15,201 --> 00:14:18,553 which ended up being consistent with both Manzanita and Dolores. 211 00:14:20,381 --> 00:14:23,166 It became front page news. 212 00:14:25,690 --> 00:14:27,081 My mother and aunt, 213 00:14:27,082 --> 00:14:29,736 all of their friends at school were told, 214 00:14:29,737 --> 00:14:32,086 don't talk to these girls anymore. 215 00:14:32,087 --> 00:14:35,698 Divorce wasn't a common thing at that time. 216 00:14:35,699 --> 00:14:38,136 But then the murders happening, 217 00:14:38,137 --> 00:14:41,315 most families were terrified of being involved with it. 218 00:14:45,101 --> 00:14:48,581 In September 1960, there was tremendous speculation 219 00:14:48,582 --> 00:14:51,192 that Guy Rockwell fled the country. 220 00:14:51,193 --> 00:14:53,020 So, at this point, 221 00:14:53,021 --> 00:14:55,590 detectives received information from eastern Washington. 222 00:14:57,722 --> 00:15:01,944 Something troubled state police detectives in a river. 223 00:15:05,252 --> 00:15:09,732 Two human legs were recovered in the Colombia River 224 00:15:09,733 --> 00:15:11,561 in eastern Washington. 225 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:21,268 The legs had unique characteristics. 226 00:15:23,139 --> 00:15:27,230 But, in 1960, there is no DNA. 227 00:15:29,798 --> 00:15:32,668 Detectives started the process of trying to pin down details 228 00:15:32,669 --> 00:15:36,631 about Manzanita from a physical standpoint. 229 00:15:37,719 --> 00:15:39,719 To identify remains, 230 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,160 you need someone personally identified by a family member. 231 00:15:45,248 --> 00:15:47,422 They were able to say, "Hey, Mr. Mearns, 232 00:15:47,423 --> 00:15:50,251 tell me about your ex-wife's feet," 233 00:15:50,252 --> 00:15:52,166 and they got the same description from 234 00:15:52,167 --> 00:15:56,605 both William Mearns and from Manzanita's adult sister. 235 00:15:56,606 --> 00:15:57,998 They thought that these were the body parts 236 00:15:57,999 --> 00:15:59,654 of my grandmother. 237 00:16:02,613 --> 00:16:06,093 Manzanita Rockwell and her daughter, Dolores Mearns, 238 00:16:06,094 --> 00:16:09,229 went missing in April of 1960. 239 00:16:10,404 --> 00:16:13,796 In their efforts to locate Rockwell as a fugitive, 240 00:16:13,797 --> 00:16:18,845 detectives canvassed rental car agencies from downtown Seattle. 241 00:16:18,846 --> 00:16:23,458 Guy Rockwell rented a cargo truck five days after, 242 00:16:23,459 --> 00:16:26,115 and he put 319 miles on it. 243 00:16:28,335 --> 00:16:32,685 The Colombia River is about 137 miles from Seattle, 244 00:16:32,686 --> 00:16:34,469 so do the math. 245 00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:38,821 It's almost a perfect accounting of the mileage 246 00:16:38,822 --> 00:16:42,349 compared to where you would've had to drive to dump those legs. 247 00:16:45,047 --> 00:16:46,742 I just remember thinking, 248 00:16:46,743 --> 00:16:50,313 how can human beings do this to each other? 249 00:16:50,879 --> 00:16:53,053 It was like, I don't understand what was going through 250 00:16:53,054 --> 00:16:56,013 this person's head that he could cut up somebody 251 00:16:56,014 --> 00:17:01,758 he married as well as a young girl. 252 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:09,202 Guy Rockwell had just disappeared. 253 00:17:09,419 --> 00:17:12,899 This guy's a fugitive from the law. We need to find him now. 254 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:15,730 He's wanted for questioning in a double-homicide. 255 00:17:24,434 --> 00:17:30,482 This case went from a larceny fugitive to an awful, 256 00:17:30,483 --> 00:17:33,313 gruesome, horrific double-murder. 257 00:17:34,444 --> 00:17:37,837 By the time Seattle police start putting this case together 258 00:17:37,838 --> 00:17:41,623 and they find the remains, Muldavin's already gone. 259 00:17:41,624 --> 00:17:42,929 He fled. 260 00:17:42,930 --> 00:17:44,844 And he's the only one that had the answers, 261 00:17:44,845 --> 00:17:47,455 and he's the only one that had an explanation of 262 00:17:47,456 --> 00:17:49,849 where Dolores ended up 263 00:17:49,850 --> 00:17:53,463 and where Manzanita eventually ended up. 264 00:17:54,377 --> 00:17:59,424 So, the manhunt is far and wide. 265 00:17:59,425 --> 00:18:00,947 10-4 266 00:18:00,948 --> 00:18:02,905 It's not in Washington. 267 00:18:02,906 --> 00:18:05,865 It goes all over the country. 268 00:18:05,866 --> 00:18:11,653 They were reaching out to police in Canada, England, Spain, 269 00:18:11,654 --> 00:18:16,137 just trying to find out where Guy Muldavin was. 270 00:18:21,709 --> 00:18:24,753 This is a photocopy of the original 271 00:18:24,754 --> 00:18:29,454 jurisdictional contact list that Seattle PD reached out to. 272 00:18:29,455 --> 00:18:32,805 They contacted dozens and dozens and dozens 273 00:18:32,806 --> 00:18:34,937 of jurisdictions, just bombarding 274 00:18:34,938 --> 00:18:36,852 them with the information. 275 00:18:36,853 --> 00:18:39,986 I mean, Ohio must have 30 departments that we contacted. 276 00:18:39,987 --> 00:18:42,293 Pennsylvania, 25 plus. 277 00:18:42,294 --> 00:18:45,383 International jurisdictions, two more pages. 278 00:18:45,384 --> 00:18:47,298 Seattle PD got the word out. 279 00:18:47,299 --> 00:18:49,823 Everyone was looking for Guy Rockwell. 280 00:18:56,178 --> 00:19:00,049 December 1, 1960, 281 00:19:00,050 --> 00:19:04,184 the FBI located Guy Rockwell living in Manhattan, 282 00:19:04,185 --> 00:19:06,406 in New York City. 283 00:19:10,540 --> 00:19:12,627 I do not know the exact circumstances, 284 00:19:12,628 --> 00:19:14,455 but I know that at some point 285 00:19:14,456 --> 00:19:16,544 the FBI received credible information 286 00:19:16,545 --> 00:19:18,416 that he was in that jurisdiction, 287 00:19:18,417 --> 00:19:20,594 and that kind of narrowed the focus. 288 00:19:21,812 --> 00:19:25,990 He was living under the alias of Michael Strong. 289 00:19:27,296 --> 00:19:30,863 As to why Guy Rockwell ended up in New York, 290 00:19:30,864 --> 00:19:32,778 he was born there, and New York City is probably 291 00:19:32,779 --> 00:19:37,785 a place someone felt that they could remain somewhat anonymous. 292 00:19:42,050 --> 00:19:45,138 Guy Rockwell was interviewed for about two weeks 293 00:19:45,139 --> 00:19:46,749 about the murders. 294 00:19:51,755 --> 00:19:56,541 Guy Rockwell never admitted to killing Manzanita and Dolores 295 00:19:56,542 --> 00:20:01,285 directly, but he told them he was 296 00:20:01,286 --> 00:20:04,290 "morally responsible" for their deaths. 297 00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:10,816 So not confessing, but communicating, 298 00:20:10,817 --> 00:20:12,948 bouncing around the topic in such a way 299 00:20:12,949 --> 00:20:17,216 that you would walk out of the room saying, "He did it." 300 00:20:17,999 --> 00:20:20,565 But it's impossible to answer the question of 301 00:20:20,566 --> 00:20:23,959 whether there was enough to charge Guy Rockwell for murder 302 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,312 in 1960 without having lived in that era. 303 00:20:32,274 --> 00:20:34,319 He wasn't charged back then. 304 00:20:42,153 --> 00:20:48,289 But he's got a larceny warrant so he was extradited to Seattle. 305 00:20:54,122 --> 00:20:57,689 Guy Rockwell received a prison sentence for grand larceny, 306 00:20:57,690 --> 00:21:00,170 for stealing money from the Emersons. 307 00:21:12,183 --> 00:21:17,099 Guy Rockwell was released from jail sometime in 1962 308 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:19,278 after serving about 13 months. 309 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,670 He was never charged for the murder of Manzanita 310 00:21:22,671 --> 00:21:24,718 and the murder of Dolores. 311 00:21:25,675 --> 00:21:28,155 It's hard to stomach that he didn't get charged. 312 00:21:35,946 --> 00:21:40,079 If the police in Seattle would have held Guy 313 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,387 after the murder of my grandmother and my aunt, 314 00:21:43,388 --> 00:21:45,389 he should have been life in prison. 315 00:21:45,390 --> 00:21:50,874 That was about 14 or 15 years before he had met my mom. 316 00:21:52,615 --> 00:21:54,572 They're letting these jackasses out of prisons, 317 00:21:54,573 --> 00:21:56,922 you know, that committed violent crimes. 318 00:21:56,923 --> 00:22:00,449 It's like, the hell's wrong with you people? 319 00:22:01,102 --> 00:22:03,885 When you talk about what if... 320 00:22:03,886 --> 00:22:05,496 Yeah, if somebody would have taken the time 321 00:22:05,497 --> 00:22:07,802 to look into his other wife, 322 00:22:07,803 --> 00:22:10,501 he never would have met my Aunt Ruth. 323 00:22:10,502 --> 00:22:13,330 The last time we saw Aunt Ruth in '74, 324 00:22:13,331 --> 00:22:17,029 we never saw her or heard from her again. 325 00:22:17,030 --> 00:22:18,989 It was just a mystery. 326 00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:24,473 I would love nothing more than to find out what happened. 327 00:22:34,657 --> 00:22:39,399 In 2022, detectives contacted our family 328 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,838 and told us about a 50-year-old cold case 329 00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:49,150 and believed that Guy Muldavin had something to do with it. 330 00:22:49,977 --> 00:22:52,673 Basically they needed anything 331 00:22:52,674 --> 00:22:56,808 that could fill in their time-line and certain gaps 332 00:22:56,809 --> 00:23:00,289 that they had of where Guy was. 333 00:23:00,290 --> 00:23:04,903 I sent them all the information they wanted that I had from Guy. 334 00:23:04,904 --> 00:23:08,515 I started putting this together after talking to 335 00:23:08,516 --> 00:23:11,868 the police department about Provincetown. 336 00:23:13,435 --> 00:23:18,005 That's how I remember him, always a pipe in his mouth. 337 00:23:20,094 --> 00:23:21,833 This was in 1974, 338 00:23:21,834 --> 00:23:24,749 so this is the year that he married Ruth. 339 00:23:24,750 --> 00:23:30,104 This is the year before he was married to my aunt. 340 00:23:32,672 --> 00:23:35,716 We don't know what happens to Guy Muldavin 341 00:23:35,717 --> 00:23:37,936 immediately after Ruth, 342 00:23:37,937 --> 00:23:42,463 but we do know that he goes on to get married once again. 343 00:23:51,038 --> 00:23:56,913 Guy Muldavin met my aunt in 1975. 344 00:23:57,827 --> 00:24:00,437 My Aunt Phyllis was a free spirit. 345 00:24:00,438 --> 00:24:02,613 She was an artist, 346 00:24:02,614 --> 00:24:05,093 but she never knew how to act her age, 347 00:24:05,094 --> 00:24:08,793 so it made for a real fun playmate for us, 348 00:24:08,794 --> 00:24:14,235 and she always seemed very happy and smiling. 349 00:24:15,105 --> 00:24:20,023 She met Guy at an EST training seminar. 350 00:24:21,068 --> 00:24:25,026 EST was some sort of a self-development program 351 00:24:25,027 --> 00:24:29,553 that existed in the '60s and '70s. 352 00:24:29,554 --> 00:24:33,208 She was excited about him at that time. 353 00:24:33,209 --> 00:24:37,691 An actor, artist, antique dealer. 354 00:24:37,692 --> 00:24:40,433 After a, as my Aunt Phyllis put it, 355 00:24:40,434 --> 00:24:44,350 whirlwind courtship, I think just a few months. 356 00:24:44,351 --> 00:24:46,963 She divorced her husband. 357 00:24:48,225 --> 00:24:53,709 They got married, and he became part of our life. 358 00:24:54,928 --> 00:25:01,193 In those years when I knew Guy, 1975 to 1980, 359 00:25:01,194 --> 00:25:05,676 Guy was a little loud, used his hands a lot. 360 00:25:05,677 --> 00:25:09,810 It was all about him and all his stories. 361 00:25:09,811 --> 00:25:13,335 Basically Guy wanted to be the center of attention. 362 00:25:13,336 --> 00:25:17,035 He had stories about everything. 363 00:25:17,036 --> 00:25:21,909 I don't know what percentage of those stories were true. 364 00:25:21,910 --> 00:25:25,567 Nobody knew the true, real Guy Muldavin. 365 00:25:26,437 --> 00:25:32,052 And I think that's probably when my aunt realized the dark side. 366 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:40,580 My aunt would say his eyes got dark and his look changed, 367 00:25:40,581 --> 00:25:42,975 and she would just leave the room. 368 00:25:48,329 --> 00:25:50,111 After my aunt passed away, 369 00:25:50,112 --> 00:25:53,813 my mom and I were cleaning out her house. 370 00:25:55,336 --> 00:26:00,774 Here's a piece from my aunt's journal. 371 00:26:00,775 --> 00:26:02,907 "My second husband had a dark side 372 00:26:02,908 --> 00:26:07,043 that I surfed around to avoid the unknown of that." 373 00:26:08,088 --> 00:26:11,002 "I was totally still in love with Guy. 374 00:26:11,003 --> 00:26:14,527 I could never get answers from about why he behaved the way 375 00:26:14,528 --> 00:26:18,836 he did without ever justifying it or any explanation. 376 00:26:18,837 --> 00:26:22,623 I'm still trying to piece all of this together." 377 00:26:28,804 --> 00:26:31,413 During the years that he was with my aunt, 378 00:26:31,414 --> 00:26:36,636 Guy wrote what he described as a cookbook called 379 00:26:36,637 --> 00:26:38,508 "Cooking with Rump Oil." 380 00:26:42,644 --> 00:26:47,170 It is so bizarre, and so twisted. 381 00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:49,694 And just so troubling. 382 00:26:57,572 --> 00:27:00,053 Couldn't make any sense of it. 383 00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:04,751 "To my wife, Phyllis Smirle. 384 00:27:04,752 --> 00:27:08,537 Phyllis has proved to me that love, beastology, 385 00:27:08,538 --> 00:27:12,890 and rump oil can walk together hand in paw." 386 00:27:12,891 --> 00:27:15,720 That makes more sense than anything else in this book. 387 00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:24,597 My Aunt Phyllis and Guy Muldavin 388 00:27:24,598 --> 00:27:29,950 only lived together for about four-and-a-half to five years, 389 00:27:29,951 --> 00:27:33,782 and at that point, she made him leave. 390 00:27:34,565 --> 00:27:37,741 I've often wondered how my Aunt Phyllis kicked Guy 391 00:27:37,742 --> 00:27:41,746 out without becoming a victim herself. 392 00:27:45,838 --> 00:27:47,881 He became a radio talk show host 393 00:27:47,882 --> 00:27:51,798 and he was on the radio every week. 394 00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,409 "Muldavin has introduced programs dealing with 395 00:27:54,410 --> 00:27:57,412 homosexuality, the erosion of culture, 396 00:27:57,413 --> 00:28:01,897 and his belief that killing has become a habit." 397 00:28:11,472 --> 00:28:15,561 After we were able to identify the Lady of the Dunes 398 00:28:15,562 --> 00:28:21,393 as Ruth Marie Terry, it was such a ruckus from the DA. 399 00:28:21,394 --> 00:28:24,267 Basically, kind of had a little temper tantrum. 400 00:28:26,487 --> 00:28:30,663 Detective Lobur, she was the driving force 401 00:28:30,664 --> 00:28:34,885 to get this case solved, and yet, 402 00:28:34,886 --> 00:28:39,150 not only did she not get any accolades for it, 403 00:28:39,151 --> 00:28:44,504 she got persecuted for it by the district attorney's office. 404 00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:52,511 After the case was solved, the newly elected 405 00:28:52,512 --> 00:28:54,513 Cape and Islands District Attorney 406 00:28:54,514 --> 00:28:58,082 launched an investigation into Detective Lobur's actions. 407 00:28:58,083 --> 00:28:59,953 A detective pivotal in helping to solve 408 00:28:59,954 --> 00:29:02,347 the Lady of the Dunes case... 409 00:29:02,348 --> 00:29:06,786 The new DA who had no role in identifying Ruth Marie Terry 410 00:29:06,787 --> 00:29:09,484 claimed that I acted improperly, 411 00:29:09,485 --> 00:29:14,011 that I didn't have the authority to do the exhumation, 412 00:29:14,012 --> 00:29:16,928 that I didn't have the proper certificates. 413 00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:24,891 It sounds crazy, but, you know, there was 414 00:29:24,892 --> 00:29:31,550 retribution for identifying her and using the FBI to do it 415 00:29:31,551 --> 00:29:38,298 and probably being a woman and being an outsider from Boston. 416 00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:44,258 I did an exhumation. I know what the procedures are, 417 00:29:44,259 --> 00:29:45,999 and she didn't do anything wrong. 418 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,827 They didn't persecute me. 419 00:29:47,828 --> 00:29:52,614 I insisted on having what they call a Brady hearing, 420 00:29:52,615 --> 00:29:56,836 laying everything out, why the exhumation was necessary, 421 00:29:56,837 --> 00:30:00,537 how the exhumation was authorized. 422 00:30:01,277 --> 00:30:04,583 The ultimate decision was the DA's, 423 00:30:04,584 --> 00:30:09,066 and I was placed on a Brady list for doing the exhumation 424 00:30:09,067 --> 00:30:12,852 without proper authority. 425 00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:18,425 I had always said there would be retribution. 426 00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:22,209 The DA's office sent this letter to Provincetown Police, 427 00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:25,125 notifying them that Detective Meredith Lobur 428 00:30:25,126 --> 00:30:26,866 had been placed on their Brady list, 429 00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:30,174 which compromises her integrity in investigations. 430 00:30:30,175 --> 00:30:33,830 A Brady violation is saying that an officer is 431 00:30:33,831 --> 00:30:37,181 untrustworthy, they don't follow procedures. 432 00:30:37,182 --> 00:30:39,531 It questions their credibility. 433 00:30:39,532 --> 00:30:42,752 Which basically just kills their career. 434 00:30:46,627 --> 00:30:50,237 Detective Lobur got the FBI involved, and that's what led 435 00:30:50,238 --> 00:30:53,371 to identifying the Lady in the Dunes. 436 00:30:53,372 --> 00:30:55,416 Because of the Brady List, 437 00:30:55,417 --> 00:30:57,592 I couldn't risk questions about my credibility 438 00:30:57,593 --> 00:31:02,902 impacting the case or the outcome of a case, 439 00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:07,474 so I voluntarily retired in 2023. 440 00:31:08,518 --> 00:31:11,911 I was basically forced to retire. 441 00:31:11,912 --> 00:31:15,741 Knowing the ramifications, would I do anything differently? 442 00:31:15,742 --> 00:31:17,658 No. 443 00:31:20,704 --> 00:31:22,530 50 years later, 444 00:31:22,531 --> 00:31:24,750 Massachusetts' longest unidentified homicide case, 445 00:31:24,751 --> 00:31:27,666 the Lady of the Dunes, has officially been closed. 446 00:31:27,667 --> 00:31:30,495 Investigators concluded Ruth Marie Terry was killed 447 00:31:30,496 --> 00:31:33,934 by her husband, identified as Guy Muldavin. 448 00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:41,201 I got a call from the state police officer 449 00:31:41,202 --> 00:31:43,595 from Massachusetts, 450 00:31:43,596 --> 00:31:48,817 and he informed me that they were going to close Ruth's case. 451 00:31:48,818 --> 00:31:51,385 The state police never revealed what evidence 452 00:31:51,386 --> 00:31:53,692 they used to close the case 453 00:31:53,693 --> 00:31:57,524 and say Guy Muldavin was the most likely suspect. 454 00:31:58,220 --> 00:32:00,177 There's so many cases. 455 00:32:00,178 --> 00:32:02,266 You know, domestic violence is so prevalent 456 00:32:02,267 --> 00:32:04,878 in so many homicides. 457 00:32:07,882 --> 00:32:10,535 She was referred to as the Lady of the Dunes. 458 00:32:10,536 --> 00:32:13,190 The DA says Muldavin is also a prime suspect 459 00:32:13,191 --> 00:32:15,279 in the disappearance of another, 460 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,066 earlier wife and stepdaughter in Seattle. 461 00:32:20,764 --> 00:32:28,683 You have a man who's suspected of dismembering his wife 462 00:32:28,684 --> 00:32:34,430 and a step-daughter, and then you have this book... 463 00:32:35,823 --> 00:32:39,999 ...where there are these recipes and these creatures, 464 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,828 these images that he drew-- 465 00:32:42,829 --> 00:32:48,442 animal, human-like, and some of the recipes are so troubling. 466 00:32:48,443 --> 00:32:52,620 And there's this specific one called Cape Cod Shid, 467 00:32:52,621 --> 00:32:56,755 and when you look at that image that he drew, 468 00:32:56,756 --> 00:33:01,934 and you compare it to Ruth's hair, there are similarities. 469 00:33:01,935 --> 00:33:03,805 Julia Cowley, 470 00:33:03,806 --> 00:33:05,590 who has analyzed some of the most horrific cases 471 00:33:05,591 --> 00:33:08,027 involving serial killers in the country, 472 00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:11,813 sharing her expertise in the murder of Ruth Marie Terry. 473 00:33:11,814 --> 00:33:14,903 "The tender look will become one of despair." 474 00:33:14,904 --> 00:33:19,604 You have to think that perhaps that was the moment 475 00:33:19,605 --> 00:33:22,389 he watched the life go out of her eyes, 476 00:33:22,390 --> 00:33:24,913 when she realized, he's going to kill me. 477 00:33:24,914 --> 00:33:28,004 And it's horrifying. 478 00:33:28,005 --> 00:33:29,962 Is he writing about Ruth? 479 00:33:29,963 --> 00:33:33,748 Is he writing about the moment he murdered her 480 00:33:33,749 --> 00:33:37,622 in the dunes of Provincetown, on Cape Cod? 481 00:33:37,623 --> 00:33:41,147 Kind of ironic that he put that picture in there. 482 00:33:41,148 --> 00:33:43,019 It was nuts. 483 00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:47,458 The craziest part of the whole thing is that somehow, 484 00:33:47,459 --> 00:33:52,987 he marketed himself on radio a few times, on television. 485 00:33:53,944 --> 00:33:57,513 He was interviewed. He was on a cooking show. 486 00:34:00,690 --> 00:34:05,173 As you read it, it just makes you sick. 487 00:34:09,395 --> 00:34:12,265 Her family remembers how Ruth wasn't herself 488 00:34:12,266 --> 00:34:14,659 when Muldavin was by her side. 489 00:34:14,660 --> 00:34:17,096 I really would like to know why. 490 00:34:17,097 --> 00:34:21,405 Why would he-- why would he kill her? 491 00:34:21,406 --> 00:34:23,668 What did that accomplish? 492 00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:27,107 And I just hope since 1974, he's been in agony. 493 00:34:30,894 --> 00:34:34,940 Muldavin was alive until 2002. 494 00:34:34,941 --> 00:34:36,898 Had they had that DNA, 495 00:34:36,899 --> 00:34:41,251 maybe this case would have been solved decades ago. 496 00:34:41,252 --> 00:34:44,995 I wish he was still alive so he could face what he did. 497 00:34:45,692 --> 00:34:48,519 Unfortunately, I don't think Guy Muldavin ever got 498 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,565 what he deserved. 499 00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:58,137 For the family of Ruth and Lady of the Dunes, 500 00:34:58,138 --> 00:35:02,098 nothing brings your family back or gets you over all the trauma, 501 00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:07,931 but I'm sure it's nice to have him listed as the reason for it. 502 00:35:09,063 --> 00:35:11,107 It doesn't haunt me anymore. 503 00:35:11,108 --> 00:35:14,676 I'm happy for the family. I'm happy for her son, Richard. 504 00:35:24,034 --> 00:35:28,863 That was my mom, and to have somebody brutally, 505 00:35:28,864 --> 00:35:31,475 you know, beat her like that, you know, to death. 506 00:35:31,476 --> 00:35:35,524 I just... it's really hit me at my core. 507 00:35:36,395 --> 00:35:38,482 We drove to Provincetown, 508 00:35:38,483 --> 00:35:40,919 and, you know, we're gonna have a small get-together 509 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,880 around her burial site. 510 00:35:45,317 --> 00:35:47,797 I want to touch the ground where my mom is. 511 00:35:48,668 --> 00:35:52,191 I'm still waiting for Richard to come back to real life 512 00:35:52,192 --> 00:35:55,455 and that he'll go back to the way we used to be. 513 00:35:55,456 --> 00:35:57,892 Everybody's got trauma in their life, 514 00:35:57,893 --> 00:35:59,938 but it matters how you deal with it 515 00:35:59,939 --> 00:36:03,637 and go forward to face that trauma. 516 00:36:03,638 --> 00:36:06,466 You know, it's about going to the cemetery tomorrow 517 00:36:06,467 --> 00:36:10,168 and, you know, putting that closure there. 518 00:36:10,646 --> 00:36:12,472 It's gonna be a little bit rough tomorrow, 519 00:36:12,473 --> 00:36:14,650 to be perfectly honest with you. 520 00:36:15,608 --> 00:36:17,738 Yeah. - It's gonna be good. 521 00:36:17,739 --> 00:36:20,089 Probably gonna hurt like hell. 522 00:37:02,916 --> 00:37:05,482 Until recently, I didn't really know, you know, 523 00:37:05,483 --> 00:37:07,485 I'd never really heard of Provincetown before. 524 00:37:11,316 --> 00:37:13,535 Yeah, this town looks so cool. 525 00:37:14,493 --> 00:37:16,884 What I really wonder about is, you know, 526 00:37:16,885 --> 00:37:19,104 where did my mom walk around here? 527 00:37:19,105 --> 00:37:21,717 You know what I mean? Did she know anybody here? 528 00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:26,633 One of the main reasons to come here was to say thank you. 529 00:37:26,634 --> 00:37:29,680 I want to say thank you to the community for, you know, 530 00:37:29,681 --> 00:37:34,163 providing her a place at the cemetery. 531 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:43,913 For today. 532 00:37:45,654 --> 00:37:47,437 Thank you so much for coming, man. 533 00:37:47,438 --> 00:37:50,353 Richard invited us to come up to Provincetown, Massachusetts, 534 00:37:50,354 --> 00:37:53,791 to have a service. 535 00:37:53,792 --> 00:37:55,271 In the name of the Father and of the Son 536 00:37:55,272 --> 00:37:57,273 and of the holy spirit. 537 00:37:57,274 --> 00:38:01,799 Our sister, Ruth, has gone to her rest in the peace of Christ. 538 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,715 May Ruth's soul and the souls of all the faithful departed, 539 00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:07,371 for the mercy of God, rest in peace. 540 00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:13,637 I want to thank y'all for coming. 541 00:38:13,638 --> 00:38:16,379 I thank God for the DNA test that... 542 00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:19,164 you got me to do. 543 00:38:19,165 --> 00:38:20,905 I thank God for all the Terrys. 544 00:38:20,906 --> 00:38:23,081 You guys are wonderful people. 545 00:38:23,082 --> 00:38:29,130 You made me feel so at home, and you made me feel like family. 546 00:38:29,131 --> 00:38:31,176 You know what I mean? 547 00:38:31,177 --> 00:38:33,178 And I want to thank you all from the bottom of my heart. 548 00:38:33,179 --> 00:38:34,877 You know. 549 00:38:36,662 --> 00:38:39,489 What a day, man. I felt your dad, man. 550 00:38:39,490 --> 00:38:41,099 It was like, I felt him. 551 00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:42,666 I'll show you him, down the street. 552 00:38:42,667 --> 00:38:44,450 He's resting over there. 553 00:38:44,451 --> 00:38:47,020 No worries. 554 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:50,761 So, there's my father, there's my mother. 555 00:38:50,762 --> 00:38:54,070 Chief Meads was the kingpin in all of this. 556 00:38:54,810 --> 00:38:58,421 He had the thoughtfulness to preserve her, 557 00:38:58,422 --> 00:39:00,988 give her a proper burial at the church. 558 00:39:00,989 --> 00:39:04,472 Man. 559 00:39:04,951 --> 00:39:09,170 I was emotional, like, seeing my father, 560 00:39:09,171 --> 00:39:12,565 what his face would look like if he was at home 561 00:39:12,566 --> 00:39:16,961 and they found out who she was. 562 00:39:16,962 --> 00:39:20,791 God bless him. God bless him. 563 00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:22,053 Man. 564 00:39:22,054 --> 00:39:23,794 Did you talk to Meredith at all? 565 00:39:23,795 --> 00:39:25,448 - Pardon? - The detective, Meredith? 566 00:39:25,449 --> 00:39:26,797 - Over there? - Yeah. 567 00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:27,885 See the girl with the glasses? 568 00:39:27,886 --> 00:39:31,630 - Okay. - Meredith! 569 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:36,850 She devoted most of her life to solving my mom's case. 570 00:39:36,851 --> 00:39:39,507 Meredith is an outstanding person. 571 00:39:40,856 --> 00:39:42,552 - Hi. How are you? - How do you do? 572 00:39:42,553 --> 00:39:44,510 - I'm good. How are you? - I'm doing well. 573 00:39:44,511 --> 00:39:46,643 You're a gentleman. 574 00:39:46,644 --> 00:39:48,775 - Thank you. - It's nice to meet you. 575 00:39:48,776 --> 00:39:50,647 - You as well. - How are you doing? 576 00:39:50,648 --> 00:39:53,476 Ah, I have no idea. 577 00:39:53,477 --> 00:39:56,219 You know, it was a horrible thing. 578 00:39:57,220 --> 00:40:00,439 But from that horrible thing, it brought me to my family, 579 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,571 you know what I mean? 580 00:40:01,572 --> 00:40:03,355 I didn't know who I was. 581 00:40:03,356 --> 00:40:06,967 I didn't know that I had a real family. 582 00:40:06,968 --> 00:40:08,839 If it wasn't for what you people did, you know, 583 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,450 what the police did, what the community did, 584 00:40:11,451 --> 00:40:12,843 none of this would've been possible. 585 00:40:12,844 --> 00:40:14,584 You know what I mean? 586 00:40:14,585 --> 00:40:17,238 And all my life I wondered what... 587 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,588 who am I? 588 00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:19,850 Like, you know, where I come from? 589 00:40:19,851 --> 00:40:22,026 And I never in a million years 590 00:40:22,027 --> 00:40:24,158 thought I would ever find any of these answers, 591 00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:25,856 and I just want to thank you all. 592 00:40:25,857 --> 00:40:27,248 You know what I mean? 593 00:40:27,249 --> 00:40:30,034 Thank you all for doing what you did. 594 00:40:30,035 --> 00:40:32,428 That's what it was all about-- today. 595 00:40:32,429 --> 00:40:34,255 Thank you. 596 00:40:34,256 --> 00:40:35,996 I feel hopeful 597 00:40:35,997 --> 00:40:39,262 because of the ultimate resolution of this case. 598 00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:43,830 We know her name, and... 599 00:40:43,831 --> 00:40:45,919 she has a family. 600 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,096 Well, you all kept my mom front and center. 601 00:40:49,097 --> 00:40:52,448 - Well, she's at peace now. - Now she is. 602 00:40:52,449 --> 00:40:54,319 Yeah. 603 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,541 There was this reunification 604 00:40:58,542 --> 00:41:04,634 and a family got their loved one back, 605 00:41:04,635 --> 00:41:07,290 and somebody got to go home. 606 00:41:11,033 --> 00:41:13,251 You know, for this huge part of the town's history 607 00:41:13,252 --> 00:41:16,384 for the past five decades to be solved, 608 00:41:16,385 --> 00:41:20,084 a bleary-eyed town sort of was like, "Say what?" 609 00:41:20,085 --> 00:41:23,349 You could feel it. It was like a crackling energy. 610 00:41:26,222 --> 00:41:30,442 I think collectively there was, like, this sort of resolution. 611 00:41:30,443 --> 00:41:33,010 It was, like, a kind of relief in a way 612 00:41:33,011 --> 00:41:35,275 that we now know who she is. 613 00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:42,282 It was a good day. It was a really good day. 614 00:41:43,152 --> 00:41:47,111 I'm just happy that there's a name on that grave, 615 00:41:47,112 --> 00:41:53,118 and hopefully Ruth is resting peacefully, finally. 616 00:41:57,340 --> 00:42:00,996 I believe the reason I'm here is so I can tell my mom's story. 617 00:42:01,649 --> 00:42:05,565 So, it's like, what's why I'm here. 618 00:42:16,142 --> 00:42:21,406 I ended up losing my career because of this. 619 00:42:21,407 --> 00:42:24,496 But of course it was worth it. 620 00:42:24,497 --> 00:42:29,851 I'd do it all over again and twice on Tuesday. 49685

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