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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,180 --> 00:00:12,053 It was a woman, and she was laying on her folded clothes. 2 00:00:12,054 --> 00:00:13,881 The Lady of the Dunes case 3 00:00:13,882 --> 00:00:19,756 was one of the most notorious unresolved homicides. 4 00:00:19,757 --> 00:00:23,630 Chief Meads believed if we could identify her, 5 00:00:23,631 --> 00:00:26,589 it would immediately take us to her killer. 6 00:00:26,590 --> 00:00:28,809 They had thrown away the evidence. 7 00:00:28,810 --> 00:00:32,684 I remember thinking to myself, I'm back at square one. 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,393 I worked on this case for 20 years. 9 00:00:46,916 --> 00:00:52,746 When I retired, it was difficult giving up the case. 10 00:00:52,747 --> 00:00:56,315 There would be nights I'd put my head on the pillow 11 00:00:56,316 --> 00:00:58,404 and be thinking about it. 12 00:00:58,405 --> 00:01:01,061 And thinking about how to solve it. 13 00:01:03,715 --> 00:01:07,195 I couldn't just let it go. 14 00:01:07,196 --> 00:01:13,027 And as the years went by, the mystique grew. 15 00:01:13,028 --> 00:01:18,380 The Lady of the Dunes, the, I'll even say the legend of it. 16 00:01:18,381 --> 00:01:22,384 I didn't think it would 100% be solved, 17 00:01:22,385 --> 00:01:24,473 but I never gave up hope. 18 00:01:24,474 --> 00:01:30,218 To solve this case was going to take someone 19 00:01:30,219 --> 00:01:33,656 with as much determination 20 00:01:33,657 --> 00:01:37,227 as Chief Meads and myself to take over. 21 00:01:38,881 --> 00:01:41,449 We did not make any headway. 22 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:45,105 Until Meredith came along. 23 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:16,308 I spent well over a decade working 24 00:02:16,309 --> 00:02:19,746 as a criminal defense attorney. 25 00:02:19,747 --> 00:02:23,229 I was a public defender in primarily Boston. 26 00:02:25,841 --> 00:02:29,669 And keep in mind, this was Boston in the '80s and '90s. 27 00:02:29,670 --> 00:02:32,630 And a lot of things were suspect. 28 00:02:35,242 --> 00:02:37,503 There were instances of investigators looking 29 00:02:37,504 --> 00:02:42,986 to close cases and not look for the actual perpetrator. 30 00:02:42,987 --> 00:02:49,384 The victims are really not the primary focus of the system, 31 00:02:49,385 --> 00:02:53,695 and I thought maybe I could make some sort of difference. 32 00:02:55,349 --> 00:02:58,785 So I became a detective. 33 00:02:58,786 --> 00:03:04,401 Came down to Provincetown and was hired in January of 2011. 34 00:03:05,837 --> 00:03:10,015 I took over the Lady of the Dunes investigation. 35 00:03:10,625 --> 00:03:13,843 The first thing I did was scan the case file, 36 00:03:13,844 --> 00:03:17,760 every bit of paper, every little pink message 37 00:03:17,761 --> 00:03:21,940 that came in for Chief Tobias or Chief Meads. 38 00:03:22,767 --> 00:03:24,898 It was daunting. 39 00:03:24,899 --> 00:03:31,646 I have this 38-year-old case, and now she's my responsibility. 40 00:03:32,690 --> 00:03:34,690 I began working 41 00:03:34,691 --> 00:03:37,911 with the National Association of the Missing and Unidentified. 42 00:03:37,912 --> 00:03:41,741 It's basically a repository of all the missing persons 43 00:03:41,742 --> 00:03:44,439 that have been reported and the unidentified bodies 44 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,095 that have been found, so that when anyone 45 00:03:48,096 --> 00:03:51,970 is looking for a loved one, they can submit DNA samples. 46 00:03:54,059 --> 00:03:58,281 And the ultimate hope is that there would be a familial match. 47 00:04:08,030 --> 00:04:10,509 In 2012, 48 00:04:10,510 --> 00:04:14,643 I received a call from a police department in California. 49 00:04:14,644 --> 00:04:16,950 They were going through their cold cases 50 00:04:16,951 --> 00:04:20,519 and came across the case of missing persons 51 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,087 Stephen Packard and Linda Lovell. 52 00:04:24,088 --> 00:04:28,222 They came to Provincetown during the summer of 1974 53 00:04:28,223 --> 00:04:30,487 at the beginning of July. 54 00:04:31,619 --> 00:04:35,273 They were last seen hitchhiking out of Provincetown. 55 00:04:35,274 --> 00:04:38,321 They were never seen again. 56 00:04:39,453 --> 00:04:43,761 This is the most promising lead we've had probably ever. 57 00:04:48,026 --> 00:04:51,419 We made arrangements to have Linda Lovell's 58 00:04:51,420 --> 00:04:55,599 mother's DNA taken and examined. 59 00:04:56,252 --> 00:04:59,951 Hopefully there would be a match from the Lady of the Dunes. 60 00:05:00,778 --> 00:05:04,258 Chief Tobias had brought DNA into this. 61 00:05:04,259 --> 00:05:09,004 Being able to pick it up at that point was a huge advantage. 62 00:05:10,614 --> 00:05:15,619 Fortunately, DNA was making progressions at that time. 63 00:05:16,968 --> 00:05:22,407 An exhumation had been done around 2000 by Chief Tobias. 64 00:05:22,408 --> 00:05:25,627 I knew that a sample from that exhumation 65 00:05:25,628 --> 00:05:28,761 had been sent to Dr. Bruce Jackson, 66 00:05:28,762 --> 00:05:32,939 the foremost geneticist probably in the world. 67 00:05:32,940 --> 00:05:36,682 And I knew a DNA profile of the Lady of the Dunes 68 00:05:36,683 --> 00:05:40,860 had gone to the medical examiner's office, 69 00:05:40,861 --> 00:05:43,602 and the medical examiner's office had sent DNA 70 00:05:43,603 --> 00:05:47,347 to the lab of Dr. Bruce Budowle. 71 00:05:48,173 --> 00:05:52,090 He founded the FBI's DNA lab. 72 00:05:53,657 --> 00:05:56,354 My contact at NamUs, Lori Bruski, 73 00:05:56,355 --> 00:05:58,051 took a look at the profile 74 00:05:58,052 --> 00:06:01,054 Dr. Jackson had for the Lady of the Dunes. 75 00:06:01,055 --> 00:06:03,578 Because she is very thorough, 76 00:06:03,579 --> 00:06:07,016 she also went and pulled the profile 77 00:06:07,017 --> 00:06:10,500 Dr. Budowle had for the Lady of the Dunes. 78 00:06:14,417 --> 00:06:18,507 I'll never forget that afternoon when I received the call. 79 00:06:20,423 --> 00:06:23,426 I was in my office. I answered the phone. 80 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:26,340 She said, "Meredith, 81 00:06:26,341 --> 00:06:30,953 these two DNA profiles from the Lady of the Dunes don't match." 82 00:06:30,954 --> 00:06:35,395 And I said to her, "What do you mean they don't match?" 83 00:06:36,004 --> 00:06:41,096 Meredith, these are from two different people. 84 00:06:42,924 --> 00:06:45,707 We didn't know how that had happened. 85 00:06:45,708 --> 00:06:48,493 We still don't know how that happened. 86 00:06:48,494 --> 00:06:51,670 We didn't know if the correct DNA profile 87 00:06:51,671 --> 00:06:54,716 for the lady in the dunes was the profile 88 00:06:54,717 --> 00:06:59,460 that Dr. Budowle obtained or the profile 89 00:06:59,461 --> 00:07:02,552 that Dr. Jackson had obtained. 90 00:07:03,684 --> 00:07:06,119 We thought we had an accurate DNA profile, 91 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:07,992 and it ends up we don't. 92 00:07:09,167 --> 00:07:13,126 This was now in addition to Warren having learned 93 00:07:13,127 --> 00:07:15,737 that all the physical evidence in the case, 94 00:07:15,738 --> 00:07:18,871 meaning the jeans, the bandana, 95 00:07:18,872 --> 00:07:23,353 the towel her head had been resting on, her hair, 96 00:07:23,354 --> 00:07:28,273 the state police had thrown it all away in 1989. 97 00:07:28,926 --> 00:07:31,144 It was just, are you kidding me? 98 00:07:31,145 --> 00:07:33,974 What else can go wrong in this case? 99 00:07:43,724 --> 00:07:48,378 When we realized that the DNA had been contaminated, 100 00:07:48,379 --> 00:07:54,254 I knew that the only resolution was to do another exhumation. 101 00:07:54,255 --> 00:07:58,564 I went to my chief, and it was decided that's what we would do. 102 00:08:04,266 --> 00:08:07,615 The medical examiner's office had done the prior exhumation. 103 00:08:07,616 --> 00:08:10,009 Guys, stay back, okay? Stay back. 104 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:14,492 To circumvent any more contamination that had occurred, 105 00:08:14,493 --> 00:08:18,191 our 2013 exhumation, it was different. 106 00:08:18,192 --> 00:08:22,937 It was supervised by a geneticist, Dr. Jackson. 107 00:08:23,851 --> 00:08:28,986 But I had no doubt that this exhumation was done by the book. 108 00:08:30,292 --> 00:08:33,554 So now that we knew that we had the accurate profile 109 00:08:33,555 --> 00:08:35,382 for the Lady of the Dunes, 110 00:08:35,383 --> 00:08:38,777 we ran Dr. Jackson's DNA against Linda Lovell, 111 00:08:38,778 --> 00:08:41,345 the missing person from California. 112 00:08:50,704 --> 00:08:55,271 Unfortunately, the DNA did not match the DNA 113 00:08:55,272 --> 00:08:57,580 from the Lady of the Dunes. 114 00:09:01,323 --> 00:09:04,063 But it wasn't a dead end. 115 00:09:04,064 --> 00:09:06,544 We know we have an accurate profile, 116 00:09:06,545 --> 00:09:09,200 and now we can move forward. 117 00:09:14,858 --> 00:09:19,644 In 2014, the former chief left 118 00:09:19,645 --> 00:09:24,344 and was replaced by acting Chief James Golden. 119 00:09:24,345 --> 00:09:28,696 There was definitely a shift in the tenor and tone 120 00:09:28,697 --> 00:09:31,309 of supervision of this case. 121 00:09:33,703 --> 00:09:38,184 I had an active, full caseload as a detective. 122 00:09:38,185 --> 00:09:43,844 I would work on this case after work hours, on my days off. 123 00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:48,629 And that's when Chief Golden told me 124 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:51,501 that I'd no longer be able to get any overtime 125 00:09:51,502 --> 00:09:53,636 for working on this case. 126 00:09:55,029 --> 00:09:56,637 A lot of cops would be like, 127 00:09:56,638 --> 00:09:59,207 "Well, if I'm not getting paid, forget it." 128 00:10:00,338 --> 00:10:04,471 But, you know, it certainly wasn't going to dissuade me 129 00:10:04,472 --> 00:10:07,650 from continuing to work on the case. 130 00:10:09,086 --> 00:10:12,392 In Massachusetts, when there's a homicide, 131 00:10:12,393 --> 00:10:15,700 that homicide falls under the jurisdiction 132 00:10:15,701 --> 00:10:20,052 of the district attorney's office and state police. 133 00:10:20,053 --> 00:10:23,316 But local police are still very much involved 134 00:10:23,317 --> 00:10:25,059 in the investigation. 135 00:10:32,675 --> 00:10:35,894 I had talked to a facial reconstructionist 136 00:10:35,895 --> 00:10:39,898 from Boston Police, who had cutting edge technology 137 00:10:39,899 --> 00:10:44,032 that had not been used before, to enlist his help 138 00:10:44,033 --> 00:10:47,385 to do reconstructions of the Lady of the Dunes. 139 00:10:51,346 --> 00:10:54,608 We were ready to hit the presses with the new composite. 140 00:10:54,609 --> 00:10:56,610 We believe this to be a true 141 00:10:56,611 --> 00:11:00,921 and accurate representation of the Lady of the Dunes. 142 00:11:02,487 --> 00:11:04,705 But the head of the State Police Detective Unit 143 00:11:04,706 --> 00:11:07,362 said, "Stop this now." 144 00:11:10,321 --> 00:11:13,107 There was no reason given for stopping it. 145 00:11:14,325 --> 00:11:19,502 Unfortunately, and I'd say tragically, 146 00:11:19,503 --> 00:11:21,724 it was never released. 147 00:11:25,772 --> 00:11:29,774 I think her administration did not want 148 00:11:29,775 --> 00:11:33,038 the Provincetown Police Department associated 149 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:37,653 with this case as much as I did or Chief Meads did. 150 00:11:38,393 --> 00:11:42,134 I can't say with any certainty why. 151 00:11:42,135 --> 00:11:45,485 Maybe so that none of the evidence being lost, 152 00:11:45,486 --> 00:11:48,838 none of the contamination will come out in public. 153 00:11:51,319 --> 00:11:53,319 When I had this case, I had a free hand. 154 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,235 I don't think Meredith had the same free hand. 155 00:11:56,236 --> 00:11:59,194 She ran into roadblocks. 156 00:11:59,195 --> 00:12:01,980 It sent a clear message that anything 157 00:12:01,981 --> 00:12:05,157 that could lead to the identification of 158 00:12:05,158 --> 00:12:08,464 the Lady of the Dunes was going to be met 159 00:12:08,465 --> 00:12:12,077 with resistance from the top. 160 00:12:12,078 --> 00:12:16,736 We're getting into 40 plus years into this case. 161 00:12:17,214 --> 00:12:20,563 You have this almost panic in your head 162 00:12:20,564 --> 00:12:22,437 that time is running out here. 163 00:12:42,413 --> 00:12:46,198 Given the fact that she was found deceased in 1974, 164 00:12:46,199 --> 00:12:48,461 it seems like time is ticking. 165 00:12:48,462 --> 00:12:52,421 I had my doubts that the case was ever going to be solved, 166 00:12:52,422 --> 00:12:55,775 that we would ever identify her. 167 00:13:00,692 --> 00:13:04,871 A new kind of DNA evidence called genetic genealogy. 168 00:13:06,437 --> 00:13:09,569 Genetic genealogy uses databases 169 00:13:09,570 --> 00:13:13,225 like Ancestry, 23 and Me. 170 00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:16,576 But the DA's office, for whatever reason, 171 00:13:16,577 --> 00:13:20,841 was completely opposed to trying to get DNA done, 172 00:13:20,842 --> 00:13:23,322 trying to get forensics done, 173 00:13:23,323 --> 00:13:26,457 any kind of scientific work being done. 174 00:13:27,937 --> 00:13:31,547 Ultimately, in 2018, I was told not 175 00:13:31,548 --> 00:13:33,943 to work on the case by my chief. 176 00:13:37,425 --> 00:13:40,295 Chief James Golden had been brought to heel 177 00:13:40,296 --> 00:13:42,167 by the District Attorney's office. 178 00:13:42,168 --> 00:13:44,865 He said, "If she has a family, 179 00:13:44,866 --> 00:13:47,302 watch, they'll turn around and sue us 180 00:13:47,303 --> 00:13:50,871 because it took so long to identify her." 181 00:13:50,872 --> 00:13:55,658 His attitude was that, you know, they're in charge of the case. 182 00:13:55,659 --> 00:13:58,446 Just leave it alone. 183 00:14:03,146 --> 00:14:06,887 I was just disgusted. 184 00:14:06,888 --> 00:14:09,890 You have a body on your department. 185 00:14:09,891 --> 00:14:11,805 And you just say, 186 00:14:11,806 --> 00:14:15,376 "Leave it alone and let that woman rot in that cemetery." 187 00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:20,814 None of it makes sense. 188 00:14:20,815 --> 00:14:25,299 But politics unfortunately played a role in this case. 189 00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:31,956 You were dealing with fragile male egos. 190 00:14:31,957 --> 00:14:34,480 You're dealing with jurisdictional issues. 191 00:14:34,481 --> 00:14:37,526 And they don't like it, especially from a woman, 192 00:14:37,527 --> 00:14:41,313 especially from someone from out of town. 193 00:14:41,314 --> 00:14:46,059 Especially from, you know, someone who's gay. 194 00:14:46,668 --> 00:14:48,888 It's not appreciated. 195 00:14:50,977 --> 00:14:52,498 The district attorney's office, 196 00:14:52,499 --> 00:14:54,630 I don't believe wanted this case solved. 197 00:14:54,631 --> 00:14:56,632 And I think the answer is very simple, 198 00:14:56,633 --> 00:14:59,113 because of the evidence issue. 199 00:14:59,114 --> 00:15:00,723 They had thrown away the evidence. 200 00:15:00,724 --> 00:15:03,117 They were going to look bad. 201 00:15:03,118 --> 00:15:05,163 I'm in this alone, one hand behind my back, 202 00:15:05,164 --> 00:15:07,907 but basically, [bleep] you. 203 00:15:08,995 --> 00:15:12,041 I'm not stopping. I owe it to her. 204 00:15:16,654 --> 00:15:18,654 At that point, 205 00:15:18,655 --> 00:15:22,486 my chief was actively attempting to shut down my investigation. 206 00:15:24,488 --> 00:15:29,143 I was sitting at my desk, and all of a sudden, sitting there, 207 00:15:29,144 --> 00:15:32,538 I realized, wait a minute, 208 00:15:32,539 --> 00:15:35,238 this happened on national park property. 209 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:40,111 Any homicide that happens on park property 210 00:15:40,112 --> 00:15:42,854 is the jurisdiction of the FBI. 211 00:15:43,594 --> 00:15:46,334 The FBI needs to get involved here. 212 00:15:46,335 --> 00:15:48,425 This should be their case. 213 00:15:58,653 --> 00:16:02,307 And then the Golden State killer was identified. 214 00:16:02,308 --> 00:16:05,179 Alleged Golden State killer Joseph DeAngelo was arrested 215 00:16:05,180 --> 00:16:09,009 in April 2018 thanks to genetic genealogy. 216 00:16:09,010 --> 00:16:12,230 The case had remained unresolved for decades. 217 00:16:12,231 --> 00:16:14,536 Using genetic genealogy, 218 00:16:14,537 --> 00:16:19,019 they were able to identify the perpetrator in that case. 219 00:16:19,020 --> 00:16:21,981 That made a huge difference. 220 00:16:27,073 --> 00:16:30,770 The FBI was a little reluctant to get involved. 221 00:16:30,771 --> 00:16:33,816 You know, I made it clear to them, "Look, guys, 222 00:16:33,817 --> 00:16:35,601 you're not doing me a favor. 223 00:16:35,602 --> 00:16:40,823 This is your case. This is your jurisdiction." 224 00:16:40,824 --> 00:16:45,611 I said, "It's been almost 48 years. 225 00:16:45,612 --> 00:16:48,918 This is a chance for you to solve this." 226 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:53,097 You get to stand up at that microphone and say, 227 00:16:53,098 --> 00:16:55,316 "Look at what the FBI did to solve 228 00:16:55,317 --> 00:16:57,362 the Lady of the Dunes case." 229 00:16:57,363 --> 00:16:59,973 And you take all the credit for this. 230 00:16:59,974 --> 00:17:01,759 Let's do it. 231 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,547 I'm excited but holding my breath. 232 00:17:08,548 --> 00:17:13,335 The analyst from the FBI did the genetic genealogy. 233 00:17:23,085 --> 00:17:27,522 I was in Superior Court on another case, 234 00:17:27,523 --> 00:17:29,568 and I found out 235 00:17:29,569 --> 00:17:33,311 that there was going to be this meeting scheduled between FBI, 236 00:17:33,312 --> 00:17:37,665 Provincetown, State Police, DA's office, for the next day. 237 00:17:38,927 --> 00:17:40,622 The level of hope 238 00:17:40,623 --> 00:17:45,149 and then disappointment had happened so many times. 239 00:17:45,150 --> 00:17:47,501 This felt different. 240 00:17:48,632 --> 00:17:53,548 I heard the FBI had a name for the Lady of the Dunes. 241 00:17:53,549 --> 00:17:56,205 It was surreal. 242 00:17:58,251 --> 00:18:00,338 It was personal for everyone. 243 00:18:00,339 --> 00:18:03,558 You know, wishing Chief Meads could have known, 244 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:07,651 wishing I were allowed to tell Warren what was happening. 245 00:18:10,001 --> 00:18:12,611 Kind of feeling like after, 246 00:18:12,612 --> 00:18:16,093 you know, 11 years of bashing your head against a wall, 247 00:18:16,094 --> 00:18:18,445 it was going to be worth it. 248 00:18:23,232 --> 00:18:26,364 I went home and just said, 249 00:18:26,365 --> 00:18:30,063 "I just want to stay alive till 11:00 tomorrow morning. 250 00:18:30,064 --> 00:18:32,718 I hope I don't die in my sleep 251 00:18:32,719 --> 00:18:36,724 because that would really be lousy not knowing." 252 00:18:37,942 --> 00:18:40,421 In the end, the FBI, 253 00:18:40,422 --> 00:18:44,730 using a lab that worked on genetic genealogy, 254 00:18:44,731 --> 00:18:49,302 came back with the DNA that led them to her identity. 255 00:18:54,176 --> 00:18:56,133 It took nearly 50 years, 256 00:18:56,134 --> 00:18:57,743 but investigators in Massachusetts 257 00:18:57,744 --> 00:18:59,527 have caught their break. 258 00:18:59,528 --> 00:19:01,790 We are standing here today to announce 259 00:19:01,791 --> 00:19:05,751 that after nearly a half-century of investigative efforts, 260 00:19:05,752 --> 00:19:09,885 we have identified the oldest unidentified homicide victim 261 00:19:09,886 --> 00:19:14,760 in Massachusetts, known as the Lady of the Dunes. 262 00:19:14,761 --> 00:19:16,459 She is... 263 00:19:30,212 --> 00:19:33,735 I was upstairs in the office where I spend a lot of my time. 264 00:19:33,736 --> 00:19:36,260 The phone rings, and I noticed 265 00:19:36,261 --> 00:19:39,176 right on there that it said FBI. 266 00:19:39,177 --> 00:19:42,485 And I got nervous. I got really nervous. 267 00:19:43,051 --> 00:19:45,225 They wouldn't tell me anything on the phone, 268 00:19:45,226 --> 00:19:47,271 you know, just that, "We're the FBI, 269 00:19:47,272 --> 00:19:49,231 and we need to talk to you." 270 00:19:49,449 --> 00:19:51,623 They pulled up in a black Suburban, 271 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:54,495 all the windows were darkened out, windshield and everything. 272 00:19:54,496 --> 00:19:56,758 Just like on TV, man, the doors opened up, 273 00:19:56,759 --> 00:19:59,457 four guys got out in suits, and I started praying. 274 00:19:59,458 --> 00:20:01,328 You know, 'cause I thought, 275 00:20:01,329 --> 00:20:04,594 you know, apparently I've done something wrong. 276 00:20:06,117 --> 00:20:09,858 We drove to the Detroit office, and when we got there, 277 00:20:09,859 --> 00:20:14,735 they proceeded to tell me that they had located my mom. 278 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:17,736 I got really excited 279 00:20:17,737 --> 00:20:19,477 'cause I thought I was going to meet my mom. 280 00:20:19,478 --> 00:20:21,870 I said, "Well, where is she?" 281 00:20:21,871 --> 00:20:25,570 He goes, "Oh, no, no, no, no. Your mom's gone. 282 00:20:25,571 --> 00:20:29,443 And she's been gone for a long time." 283 00:20:29,444 --> 00:20:31,140 And then that's when he said, 284 00:20:31,141 --> 00:20:36,886 "Well, we all knew her as the Lady of the Dunes." 285 00:21:12,749 --> 00:21:17,099 We're in Livonia, Michigan, an older part of Livonia. 286 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:20,538 My mom and dad used to live here and work at the plant. 287 00:21:20,539 --> 00:21:23,192 This used to be Fisher Body Livonia. 288 00:21:23,193 --> 00:21:26,065 It opened up in '57 or '58. 289 00:21:26,066 --> 00:21:28,328 My dad came down from Lansing 290 00:21:28,329 --> 00:21:31,113 to be superintendent here at this plant. 291 00:21:31,114 --> 00:21:33,290 My mom worked here, my older sister worked here, 292 00:21:33,291 --> 00:21:37,948 my aunt worked here, they all worked here at this plant. 293 00:21:41,169 --> 00:21:44,649 The auto plants were all running big, and they needed people. 294 00:21:44,650 --> 00:21:47,393 And they hired a lot of people from the south. 295 00:21:49,525 --> 00:21:52,265 There was a woman that worked there. 296 00:21:52,266 --> 00:21:55,573 She said her name was Ruth Smith. 297 00:21:55,574 --> 00:21:57,836 Pat, my older sister, 298 00:21:57,837 --> 00:22:02,188 and Ruth hung out quite a bit and became really good friends. 299 00:22:02,189 --> 00:22:04,408 And Ruth got pregnant. 300 00:22:04,409 --> 00:22:09,238 Wasn't married, it was the '50s, and, you know, 301 00:22:09,239 --> 00:22:11,895 she didn't know what to do. 302 00:22:12,592 --> 00:22:16,115 My mom and dad were looking to adopt a baby. 303 00:22:16,116 --> 00:22:20,075 But they were older, and the government wouldn't let them. 304 00:22:20,076 --> 00:22:22,426 So Ruth approached Dick and Thelma and said, 305 00:22:22,427 --> 00:22:25,690 "Hey, you know, I know you, you're great people, 306 00:22:25,691 --> 00:22:29,563 and I want you to take care of my baby." 307 00:22:29,564 --> 00:22:33,306 And my mom and dad were just so excited. 308 00:22:33,307 --> 00:22:35,308 That's gonna be this house right there. 309 00:22:35,309 --> 00:22:37,878 That's the house that I was born in. 310 00:22:38,922 --> 00:22:41,401 After Ruth came to my parents, my parents, 311 00:22:41,402 --> 00:22:44,796 they rented a house to take care of Ruth. 312 00:22:44,797 --> 00:22:47,233 And my mom and my dad and Ruth 313 00:22:47,234 --> 00:22:51,542 all agreed that when it come time for me to be born, 314 00:22:51,543 --> 00:22:55,328 that my mom would give her driver's license to Ruth 315 00:22:55,329 --> 00:22:57,243 and that my dad would take Ruth down 316 00:22:57,244 --> 00:22:58,897 to the Garden City Hospital. 317 00:22:58,898 --> 00:23:02,596 And that's exactly what happened. 318 00:23:02,597 --> 00:23:06,948 My birth certificate, it said Thelma Hanchett, 319 00:23:06,949 --> 00:23:13,520 but it had Ruth's birth date and the birth place for Ruth, 320 00:23:13,521 --> 00:23:16,871 with Chattanooga, Tennessee. 321 00:23:16,872 --> 00:23:20,745 My mom said right after I was born, they came back here 322 00:23:20,746 --> 00:23:23,356 and Ruth come over and said her goodbyes 323 00:23:23,357 --> 00:23:26,360 and my mom never ever seen her again. 324 00:23:36,023 --> 00:23:37,849 Growing up as a child, 325 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:42,201 I was mad at Ruth because if I had a child, 326 00:23:42,202 --> 00:23:46,031 I would never give it away. 327 00:23:46,032 --> 00:23:48,425 I felt abandoned. 328 00:23:48,426 --> 00:23:51,560 And got in a lot of trouble. 329 00:23:53,562 --> 00:23:55,693 Breaking [bleep], stealing 330 00:23:55,694 --> 00:23:57,521 I was rebelling, I was trying to tell people 331 00:23:57,522 --> 00:24:01,178 I was mad, and the older I got, the worse I got. 332 00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:08,880 And then, in 1972, Ruth reached out to my sister Patricia. 333 00:24:08,881 --> 00:24:14,973 Richard has always wanted to see his mother and meet her, 334 00:24:14,974 --> 00:24:17,758 but when Ruth came in, talked to Pat, 335 00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:19,760 and she wanted to meet Richard, 336 00:24:19,761 --> 00:24:23,940 Richard was going through a very bad point in time in his life. 337 00:24:24,637 --> 00:24:30,599 I was 13 years old, I OD'd on PCP. 338 00:24:31,644 --> 00:24:36,255 I woke up in a hospital two and a half weeks later. 339 00:24:36,256 --> 00:24:39,737 My older sister Pat came to see me to let me know 340 00:24:39,738 --> 00:24:43,436 that Ruth was trying to get a hold of me. 341 00:24:43,437 --> 00:24:45,220 I just blew it off, 342 00:24:45,221 --> 00:24:47,747 I didn't want anything to do with anybody. 343 00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:51,488 Unfortunately, I think Pat had to tell her what happened, 344 00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:55,145 that this is why he doesn't want to see you. 345 00:24:56,364 --> 00:24:58,103 I'm kind of mad at myself 346 00:24:58,104 --> 00:25:02,762 because I had no idea that was my only chance. 347 00:25:06,809 --> 00:25:11,116 My older sister, Patricia, was a second mom to me. 348 00:25:11,117 --> 00:25:13,901 I idolized her. 349 00:25:13,902 --> 00:25:15,729 I don't know what the deal is, 350 00:25:15,730 --> 00:25:19,952 but there's been death around me all my life. 351 00:25:26,481 --> 00:25:28,655 This is a newspaper article the day 352 00:25:28,656 --> 00:25:31,660 that her ex-husband murdered her. 353 00:25:36,186 --> 00:25:39,623 He barged into her home and shot her. 354 00:25:39,624 --> 00:25:42,628 And then was killed by the police. 355 00:25:46,196 --> 00:25:48,675 When my older sister was murdered, 356 00:25:48,676 --> 00:25:52,374 I thought Ruth perhaps would have been at the funeral. 357 00:25:52,375 --> 00:25:54,640 They were friends. 358 00:25:56,555 --> 00:25:58,467 I looked at all the books, 359 00:25:58,468 --> 00:26:00,557 and I looked for Ruth Smith to see 360 00:26:00,558 --> 00:26:03,692 if her signature was in there. 361 00:26:04,693 --> 00:26:07,607 But it wasn't there. 362 00:26:07,608 --> 00:26:10,960 Deep down, I needed to know, where is she? 363 00:26:23,364 --> 00:26:26,670 My mom died in 2013. 364 00:26:26,671 --> 00:26:31,241 And then younger sister Lisa died in '17. 365 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:35,243 And I found myself all alone. 366 00:26:35,244 --> 00:26:36,549 That's when I was like, 367 00:26:36,550 --> 00:26:40,468 "You know, where'd everybody go?" 368 00:26:40,686 --> 00:26:42,601 Come on. 369 00:26:43,384 --> 00:26:45,645 He was lost. 370 00:26:45,646 --> 00:26:50,084 And I said, "Well, what if you tried to find your mom and dad, 371 00:26:50,085 --> 00:26:52,872 you know, your birth parents?" 372 00:26:54,134 --> 00:26:58,878 So in December of '17, I got him a DNA kit for Christmas. 373 00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:01,443 I said, "I bought you this 374 00:27:01,444 --> 00:27:03,924 because you've been questioning a lot of things. 375 00:27:03,925 --> 00:27:08,276 But you have to look at, it might be a downside, too." 376 00:27:08,277 --> 00:27:11,323 Maybe the family is-- don't want you around. 377 00:27:11,324 --> 00:27:13,327 It could be a Pandora's box. 378 00:27:14,502 --> 00:27:18,330 I took the DNA test, sent it in, had to wait a couple weeks. 379 00:27:18,331 --> 00:27:21,857 And then I got the e-mail that my results were in. 380 00:27:22,684 --> 00:27:25,034 And I'm getting excited. 381 00:27:25,992 --> 00:27:29,169 It gave me access to the Ancestry database. 382 00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:31,212 My hair is standing on my arms. 383 00:27:31,213 --> 00:27:33,956 Wendy's behind me. She's shaking. 384 00:27:34,696 --> 00:27:37,090 It immediately came back with a match. 385 00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:42,789 I was shocked. 386 00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:45,359 I match a woman from Tennessee. 387 00:27:46,621 --> 00:27:51,365 This woman was my mom's brother or sister's child. 388 00:27:52,932 --> 00:27:54,975 I sent her a message. 389 00:27:54,976 --> 00:27:59,284 It was really simple-- "The system says you're my cousin. 390 00:27:59,285 --> 00:28:02,461 I was adopted. I don't know who I am. 391 00:28:02,462 --> 00:28:04,637 And I'm looking for help." 392 00:28:04,638 --> 00:28:10,034 And within seconds, she responded, "Oh, my God. 393 00:28:10,035 --> 00:28:13,082 I've been looking for you my whole life." 394 00:28:17,478 --> 00:28:20,740 She just started telling me things about my mom, 395 00:28:20,741 --> 00:28:23,658 my family, and who I am. 396 00:28:24,615 --> 00:28:28,617 It says, "She is our beloved Ruth Marie Terry." 397 00:28:28,618 --> 00:28:32,317 And she sent me a picture. 398 00:28:32,318 --> 00:28:35,189 I was like, "Holy crap! 399 00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:37,714 That's my mom, there's no ands ifs or buts about that!" 400 00:28:37,715 --> 00:28:39,413 It was just unbelievable. 401 00:28:44,331 --> 00:28:50,248 Then, three quarters of the way down was the, 402 00:28:50,249 --> 00:28:53,773 "She's been missing since the '70s." 403 00:28:53,774 --> 00:28:58,737 I was just crushed. I'm like, "What?" 404 00:28:59,650 --> 00:29:00,998 You're at the top of the mountain, 405 00:29:00,999 --> 00:29:03,263 and you've just slipped off. 406 00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:07,700 I wanted to know who she was, what she was like. 407 00:29:07,701 --> 00:29:10,095 Everything about her and her family. 408 00:29:18,887 --> 00:29:23,063 My father and my Aunt Ruth were brother and sister. 409 00:29:23,064 --> 00:29:27,764 She looked like the lady from "Gone with the Wind." 410 00:29:27,765 --> 00:29:30,941 She was just this beautiful woman. 411 00:29:30,942 --> 00:29:33,946 Super bubbly. Larger than life. 412 00:29:35,686 --> 00:29:37,904 Aunt Ruth had fiery red hair, 413 00:29:37,905 --> 00:29:42,171 piercing blue eyes, and an awesome smile. 414 00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:48,697 Aunt Ruth grew up in a beautiful town, 415 00:29:48,698 --> 00:29:52,267 about 20 miles north of Chattanooga. 416 00:30:03,323 --> 00:30:07,020 Got up this morning to drive down to Tennessee. 417 00:30:07,021 --> 00:30:09,849 Boy I tell ya, these Black Mountains down here. 418 00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:12,201 The scenery is just beautiful. 419 00:30:13,376 --> 00:30:16,508 I've talked to my Uncle Ken and John and Jim 420 00:30:16,509 --> 00:30:18,466 on the phone a couple of times, 421 00:30:18,467 --> 00:30:21,384 but it's just not the same as when you see 'em live. 422 00:30:25,606 --> 00:30:29,129 And they invited me down to Tennessee. 423 00:30:29,130 --> 00:30:32,439 The Terry's wanted to put on a reunion. 424 00:30:38,010 --> 00:30:39,792 - Ric-ard! - Hey! 425 00:30:39,793 --> 00:30:41,359 - What's up, dude? - Hey, man. 426 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,491 - Alright, man. How you been? - Good. How you been? 427 00:30:43,492 --> 00:30:45,276 Not too bad. 428 00:30:45,277 --> 00:30:47,452 - How you doing, honey? - I'm good. How are you? 429 00:30:47,453 --> 00:30:49,367 - I'm good. - Great to see ya. 430 00:30:49,368 --> 00:30:51,630 Thank you so much. - You're welcome. 431 00:30:51,631 --> 00:30:55,984 Everybody there had nothin' but kind words to say about my mom. 432 00:30:57,290 --> 00:31:00,769 I wanted to know who she was, what she was like, 433 00:31:00,770 --> 00:31:03,557 the type of person she was, all of those things. 434 00:31:05,211 --> 00:31:08,865 But there were things that I needed to know, you know? 435 00:31:08,866 --> 00:31:11,217 What happened? 436 00:31:20,139 --> 00:31:23,925 My dad has told me stories. 437 00:31:24,273 --> 00:31:27,231 My cousins told me about Ruth. 438 00:31:27,232 --> 00:31:30,845 In a short period of time, I learned who my mom was. 439 00:31:31,541 --> 00:31:35,719 She was a little country girl for 14 or 15 years of her life. 440 00:31:37,286 --> 00:31:40,940 When my Aunt Ruth was probably 441 00:31:40,941 --> 00:31:44,596 1 or 2 years old, her mother died. 442 00:31:44,597 --> 00:31:47,949 My Aunt Ruth was taken in by my mother-in-law's family. 443 00:31:48,384 --> 00:31:53,257 I think she was 13 years old, and she married Billy Ray Smith. 444 00:31:53,258 --> 00:31:55,650 They got married really young. 445 00:31:55,651 --> 00:31:58,090 And it just didn't work out. 446 00:31:59,743 --> 00:32:02,440 Their house is still there. 447 00:32:02,441 --> 00:32:06,226 So this is where Aunt Ruth lived 448 00:32:06,227 --> 00:32:08,446 when she married Billy Ray Smith. 449 00:32:08,447 --> 00:32:12,058 This is the last place that Ruth lived before she left, isn't it? 450 00:32:12,059 --> 00:32:13,973 Uh, as far as I know. 451 00:32:13,974 --> 00:32:17,500 Uncle Ken might be able to clarify that, but, yeah, likely. 452 00:32:20,025 --> 00:32:22,112 He was 19, and she was 13. 453 00:32:22,113 --> 00:32:24,070 So her life probably changed right then, huh? 454 00:32:24,071 --> 00:32:26,986 Yeah. I knew Billy Ray well. 455 00:32:26,987 --> 00:32:29,641 I worked with him on the railroad. 456 00:32:29,642 --> 00:32:31,295 He was a nice guy. 457 00:32:31,296 --> 00:32:33,123 It wasn't too much longer after that 458 00:32:33,124 --> 00:32:34,689 when she split for Michigan. 459 00:32:34,690 --> 00:32:36,909 Yeah. 460 00:32:36,910 --> 00:32:39,607 Their marriage dissolved. 461 00:32:39,608 --> 00:32:41,653 She wanted to get out of Whitwell, 462 00:32:41,654 --> 00:32:45,964 and she wanted to make her own life and strike out on her own. 463 00:32:46,877 --> 00:32:50,620 She wanted something better than just a coal mining town. 464 00:32:52,579 --> 00:32:55,667 To the best of my knowledge, she lived in Michigan for about 465 00:32:55,668 --> 00:32:57,756 two, two and a half years. 466 00:32:57,757 --> 00:33:00,324 Got a job, got pregnant. 467 00:33:00,325 --> 00:33:02,717 Ruth left right after I was born. 468 00:33:02,718 --> 00:33:05,024 And I think that might have been the deciding factor of 469 00:33:05,025 --> 00:33:07,333 why she left Michigan. 470 00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:12,077 She decided to go to California. 471 00:33:12,555 --> 00:33:14,729 From what I've heard from others, 472 00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:18,257 she may have wanted to move to California and be an actress. 473 00:33:19,432 --> 00:33:21,519 She was doing odd type jobs, you know, 474 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,263 house cleaning, that type of stuff. 475 00:33:29,877 --> 00:33:33,574 She met this guy, you know, he was wealthy. 476 00:33:33,575 --> 00:33:36,316 You know, he was an "antiquity dealer." 477 00:33:36,317 --> 00:33:40,540 He appeared to be all the things that she was dreaming for. 478 00:33:43,282 --> 00:33:45,543 I don't know how long the relationship was. 479 00:33:45,544 --> 00:33:47,588 I just know that they met, you know, 480 00:33:47,589 --> 00:33:50,157 and then shortly after that, they got married. 481 00:33:56,034 --> 00:34:01,430 Nobody in the family knew anything about the guy, really. 482 00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:08,392 In the spring of 1974, I was 8 years old, 483 00:34:08,393 --> 00:34:10,570 and my Aunt Ruth came. 484 00:34:11,484 --> 00:34:13,397 The overall mood that I remember, 485 00:34:13,398 --> 00:34:15,921 it was just excitement. 486 00:34:15,922 --> 00:34:18,532 Dad was excited his little sister was in town, 487 00:34:18,533 --> 00:34:22,101 and she did introduce her new husband to my dad. 488 00:34:22,102 --> 00:34:25,714 But I have no idea what happened to Aunt Ruth after that week. 489 00:34:38,598 --> 00:34:43,731 A major break in the state's oldest unsolved murder. 490 00:34:43,732 --> 00:34:48,086 A Jane Doe mystery stretching back to 1974. 491 00:34:48,608 --> 00:34:52,697 After nearly a half-century of investigative efforts, 492 00:34:52,698 --> 00:34:55,484 we have identified the Lady of the Dunes. 493 00:34:57,834 --> 00:35:00,835 She is... 494 00:35:00,836 --> 00:35:03,318 Ruth Marie Terry. 495 00:35:05,233 --> 00:35:07,888 I just said, "There you are." 496 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:13,587 During my years investigating it, 497 00:35:13,588 --> 00:35:20,422 I never once thought what it was gonna be like solving the case. 498 00:35:21,423 --> 00:35:27,473 That case had been part of my life for 35 years. 499 00:35:27,908 --> 00:35:30,387 Even after I retired. 500 00:35:30,388 --> 00:35:35,219 I didn't realize how omnipresent she was in my life. 501 00:35:40,747 --> 00:35:44,009 I'd go periodically. 502 00:35:44,010 --> 00:35:50,191 Either just sit there by the grave or sit in my car. 503 00:35:50,974 --> 00:35:55,196 I didn't realize that I wasn't the only one that did that. 504 00:35:55,936 --> 00:35:57,762 This is gonna sound kind of crazy. 505 00:35:57,763 --> 00:36:01,026 It was almost kind of like part of my identity 506 00:36:01,027 --> 00:36:03,898 that I was associated with the Lady in the Dunes. 507 00:36:03,899 --> 00:36:06,249 And now she had been identified. 508 00:36:06,250 --> 00:36:09,556 Like there's a "before Ruth" 509 00:36:09,557 --> 00:36:11,558 when we had the Lady of the Dunes 510 00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,867 and then there's like an "after Ruth." 511 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:26,704 So for 48 years, my Aunt Ruth was the Lady of the Dunes. 512 00:36:26,705 --> 00:36:29,796 Until they had identified her remains. 513 00:36:31,101 --> 00:36:32,971 That's hard. 514 00:36:32,972 --> 00:36:34,842 I never would have thought 515 00:36:34,843 --> 00:36:39,501 that our family would have been part of a mystery like this. 516 00:36:40,633 --> 00:36:43,590 The detective started speaking to me. 517 00:36:43,591 --> 00:36:47,942 They said that they had identified her 518 00:36:47,943 --> 00:36:54,123 and that she'd been murdered in Provincetown. 519 00:36:59,739 --> 00:37:02,872 I have a hard time with this part. 520 00:37:07,050 --> 00:37:08,833 Before the FBI contacted me, 521 00:37:08,834 --> 00:37:12,184 I was having nightmares for a few weeks. 522 00:37:12,185 --> 00:37:17,626 And the person in my nightmare was violently hitting someone. 523 00:37:19,149 --> 00:37:24,109 And it just hurt. It hurt down in my stomach. 524 00:37:24,110 --> 00:37:26,764 And uh, yeah. 525 00:37:26,765 --> 00:37:29,377 That's gonna bother me till the day I die. 526 00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:38,254 The moment we learned her name, Ruth Marie Terry, 527 00:37:38,255 --> 00:37:39,951 we just started digging. 528 00:37:39,952 --> 00:37:42,432 And now authorities are asking for the public's help. 529 00:37:42,433 --> 00:37:45,086 The hunt for her killer. 530 00:37:45,087 --> 00:37:46,827 We find out who the victim is. 531 00:37:46,828 --> 00:37:49,919 And then it's like, "Okay, now who killed her? 532 00:38:00,582 --> 00:38:03,279 Ruth had a great life in California. 533 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,890 Ruth and her new husband came back to Tennessee 534 00:38:05,891 --> 00:38:08,111 in the early '70s. 535 00:38:12,986 --> 00:38:17,510 This guy was big, burly, curly hair. 536 00:38:17,511 --> 00:38:20,515 He seemed more like a beach bum to me. 537 00:38:24,127 --> 00:38:25,605 Dad didn't approve of him. 538 00:38:25,606 --> 00:38:29,568 Wasn't clean-shaven, that turned my dad off. 539 00:38:32,571 --> 00:38:34,701 They called us and said she was in 540 00:38:34,702 --> 00:38:36,616 with a new guy she had married. 541 00:38:36,617 --> 00:38:38,705 He was an antique dealer. 542 00:38:38,706 --> 00:38:40,968 They was traveling cross country looking for antiques. 543 00:38:40,969 --> 00:38:44,755 He was sort of a heavy set guy with gray hair. 544 00:38:44,756 --> 00:38:46,539 He looked kind of older, then? 545 00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:48,848 Yeah, he was older, yeah. 546 00:38:49,675 --> 00:38:53,720 But my wife, she just sort of read people, you know? 547 00:38:53,721 --> 00:38:57,596 And she said he was bad news for her. 548 00:38:58,292 --> 00:39:02,903 No, she didn't care for him, his demeanor or what, I don't know. 549 00:39:02,904 --> 00:39:04,731 And after that, she left. 550 00:39:04,732 --> 00:39:07,519 That was the last time we saw her. 551 00:39:09,695 --> 00:39:13,566 Her husband's name was Guy Muldavin. 552 00:39:13,567 --> 00:39:18,223 Ruth showed up with him. They met him briefly. 553 00:39:18,224 --> 00:39:20,312 Then she vanishes. 554 00:39:20,313 --> 00:39:22,795 I always wondered what happened. 555 00:39:23,448 --> 00:39:25,404 My dad told her whenever she got to 556 00:39:25,405 --> 00:39:29,062 where she was going to call, make sure she got there safe. 557 00:39:29,541 --> 00:39:32,152 And apparently, he never got the call. 558 00:39:33,153 --> 00:39:35,849 According to this marriage certificate, 559 00:39:35,850 --> 00:39:39,418 six months before her body was discovered on the Cape, 560 00:39:39,419 --> 00:39:42,595 she exchanged vows in Reno, Nevada. 561 00:39:42,596 --> 00:39:46,730 Looking at the marriage records for Guy Muldavin 562 00:39:46,731 --> 00:39:51,648 with Ruth Marie Terry, we saw she used an alias. 563 00:39:51,649 --> 00:39:53,302 Teri Vizina. 564 00:39:57,133 --> 00:39:59,873 When I found out that my mom was changing her name, 565 00:39:59,874 --> 00:40:02,485 my first impression was that she was doing something wrong. 566 00:40:02,486 --> 00:40:04,967 She was involved in something illegal. 567 00:40:06,186 --> 00:40:10,231 Why would she do that? Is she on the run? 568 00:40:10,232 --> 00:40:13,062 Is she hiding from somebody? 569 00:40:13,672 --> 00:40:17,850 Did he set this up so he couldn't be found? 570 00:40:21,941 --> 00:40:25,464 My dad, James, was her older brother. 571 00:40:25,465 --> 00:40:28,075 Dad called Aunt Ruth's husband. 572 00:40:28,076 --> 00:40:29,816 Guy said he'd come home from work 573 00:40:29,817 --> 00:40:32,473 and all of her stuff was gone. 574 00:40:33,082 --> 00:40:37,477 Guy told him that she had joined a cult. 575 00:40:43,658 --> 00:40:45,832 Dad really didn't think that she would just run 576 00:40:45,833 --> 00:40:49,401 off without letting him know where she is. 577 00:40:49,402 --> 00:40:51,403 That wasn't like Aunt Ruth. 578 00:40:51,404 --> 00:40:54,103 Dad went on his search. 579 00:40:55,191 --> 00:40:57,714 From what this guy she had married had said, 580 00:40:57,715 --> 00:40:59,631 she went back west. 581 00:41:01,894 --> 00:41:05,373 My father hired a private detective 582 00:41:05,374 --> 00:41:08,202 to go find her in California. 583 00:41:08,203 --> 00:41:10,030 As far as I know, 584 00:41:10,031 --> 00:41:15,647 my father never looked east at all for my aunt. 585 00:41:16,604 --> 00:41:19,259 Dad never gave up looking for her. 586 00:41:20,913 --> 00:41:25,134 We only know what Guy Muldavin had told dad. 587 00:41:25,657 --> 00:41:29,441 No one knew who Guy Muldavin was. 588 00:41:29,442 --> 00:41:32,923 I just began working my sources. 589 00:41:32,924 --> 00:41:35,229 They are looking for information about a man 590 00:41:35,230 --> 00:41:38,537 the victim married a few months before she was killed. 591 00:41:38,538 --> 00:41:41,409 We found out he had a very dark past 592 00:41:41,410 --> 00:41:43,890 that was hidden for decades. 593 00:41:43,891 --> 00:41:48,069 Who was Guy Muldavin? Depends on who you ask. 594 00:41:53,423 --> 00:41:57,556 The story of Manzanita Rockwell and Dolores Mearns 595 00:41:57,557 --> 00:42:00,559 unfolded in a strange manner. 596 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,955 Just a charade of lies, mistruths. 597 00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:08,959 His eyes got dark, and his look changed. 598 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,440 Then they stumbled upon what clearly was 599 00:42:12,441 --> 00:42:14,747 a gruesome crime scene. 600 00:42:14,748 --> 00:42:16,314 This guy's a fugitive from the law. 601 00:42:16,315 --> 00:42:18,098 We need to find him now. 602 00:42:18,099 --> 00:42:23,234 And that was about 14 or 15 years before he had met my mom. 603 00:42:23,235 --> 00:42:27,978 It was this difficult to bring it to a resolution. 604 00:42:27,979 --> 00:42:32,332 I had always said there would be retribution. 48148

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