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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,449 --> 00:00:17,319 I became a detective because 2 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,369 I thought maybe I could make some sort of difference. 3 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:26,502 Cold cases, the missing, the unidentified, 4 00:00:26,503 --> 00:00:29,723 they tend to fall through the cracks. 5 00:00:29,724 --> 00:00:32,334 The Lady of the Dunes case was one of the reasons 6 00:00:32,335 --> 00:00:34,685 I wanted to come down here. 7 00:00:40,170 --> 00:00:42,649 When I got the case, I went to the grave 8 00:00:42,650 --> 00:00:50,004 and I promised her that I'd get her name back 9 00:00:50,005 --> 00:00:53,312 and get her back to her family. 10 00:00:53,313 --> 00:00:55,836 It was the most high-profile case 11 00:00:55,837 --> 00:00:58,839 I had ever had the opportunity to investigate. 12 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:05,498 And I ended up losing my career as a result of this. 13 00:01:05,499 --> 00:01:08,762 This is the first time that I've spoken completely on camera 14 00:01:08,763 --> 00:01:12,331 about my role in the investigation. 15 00:01:12,332 --> 00:01:15,247 The fact that someone had remained unidentified 16 00:01:15,248 --> 00:01:19,686 all that time is so tragic. 17 00:01:19,687 --> 00:01:23,124 It was a daunting task. 18 00:01:23,125 --> 00:01:27,520 I would work on this case on my days off. 19 00:01:27,521 --> 00:01:33,743 Ultimately I was told, "Just leave it alone." 20 00:01:33,744 --> 00:01:35,615 I knew all along that 21 00:01:35,616 --> 00:01:38,879 there could be some serious repercussions. 22 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,360 But I just kept going. 23 00:01:41,361 --> 00:01:43,318 You're trying to tie one hand behind my back 24 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,277 but, basically, [bleep] you. 25 00:01:45,278 --> 00:01:47,759 I'm not stopping. I owe it to her. 26 00:01:50,414 --> 00:01:52,240 This is a legendary case. 27 00:01:52,241 --> 00:01:53,894 It really was mythical, urban-legend-like. 28 00:01:53,895 --> 00:01:55,722 It's an enduring mystery that has frustrated... 29 00:01:55,723 --> 00:01:58,899 The oldest unidentified homicide victim 30 00:01:58,900 --> 00:02:00,379 in Massachusetts. 31 00:02:00,380 --> 00:02:01,684 It was a brutal crime 32 00:02:01,685 --> 00:02:04,731 in the dunes of Provincetown in 1974. 33 00:02:04,732 --> 00:02:08,038 She was known as the Lady of the Dunes. 34 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:09,825 Her name, a mystery. 35 00:02:11,609 --> 00:02:13,914 It became more than just a story. 36 00:02:13,915 --> 00:02:15,611 It became kind of like folklore. 37 00:02:15,612 --> 00:02:18,397 Her head was crushed and nearly decapitated. 38 00:02:18,398 --> 00:02:21,313 Her hands cut off. - Who was this woman? 39 00:02:21,314 --> 00:02:23,967 Who was the killer? What happened? 40 00:02:23,968 --> 00:02:25,839 And why? 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,668 Their take was that this person was taunting the police. 42 00:02:28,669 --> 00:02:34,413 No small community anywhere is prepared for that kind of thing. 43 00:02:34,414 --> 00:02:36,545 Somewhere out there, there's a family 44 00:02:36,546 --> 00:02:39,722 who's got to be missing this young lady. 45 00:02:39,723 --> 00:02:42,072 Over the decades, there have been many theories 46 00:02:42,073 --> 00:02:44,727 about what could have happened to her. 47 00:02:44,728 --> 00:02:47,252 A bank robber who'd escaped from a regional jail. 48 00:02:47,253 --> 00:02:49,167 Could she have known too much? 49 00:02:49,168 --> 00:02:51,343 Could this have been a mob hit? 50 00:02:51,344 --> 00:02:54,389 The theories just went on and on and on. 51 00:02:54,390 --> 00:02:57,827 This is beyond grisly and beyond disturbing. 52 00:02:57,828 --> 00:03:00,787 It really, really rattled the community. 53 00:03:00,788 --> 00:03:05,400 Days turned to weeks, weeks to months, months to years. 54 00:03:05,401 --> 00:03:08,229 Former detectives say evidence was thrown away 55 00:03:08,230 --> 00:03:10,971 and contaminated. 56 00:03:10,972 --> 00:03:14,627 I just always thought of it as an unbelievable ghost story 57 00:03:14,628 --> 00:03:16,803 that probably would never be solved. 58 00:03:16,804 --> 00:03:19,719 You can't help but bond with this person 59 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,072 and feel like their soul is in your hands. 60 00:03:29,034 --> 00:03:32,688 I got a call about a woman who went missing in 1973. 61 00:03:32,689 --> 00:03:37,302 Young girl, running guns, drugs, crisscrossing the country, 62 00:03:37,303 --> 00:03:39,260 trying to shoot police officers. 63 00:03:39,261 --> 00:03:40,914 Honest to God, you can't make this up. 64 00:03:40,915 --> 00:03:42,264 It's like out of a movie. 65 00:04:08,422 --> 00:04:10,424 I remember this area. 66 00:04:12,121 --> 00:04:13,731 This is very familiar. 67 00:04:14,689 --> 00:04:18,734 All of us kids would just come out here and run around 68 00:04:18,735 --> 00:04:21,171 and look for driftwood and animal tracks 69 00:04:21,172 --> 00:04:25,655 and just hang out and explore. 70 00:04:32,707 --> 00:04:36,230 We came to Provincetown in the summers. 71 00:04:36,231 --> 00:04:40,060 Our family friends used to rent this dune shack every summer. 72 00:04:40,061 --> 00:04:44,064 And all of the families would converge here during that week 73 00:04:44,065 --> 00:04:46,416 and swim and party. 74 00:04:50,420 --> 00:04:53,856 I remember it was a beautiful day. 75 00:04:53,857 --> 00:04:58,165 It was sunny. My parents and my sister 76 00:04:58,166 --> 00:05:03,303 spent the day swimming, and then they were walking back. 77 00:05:04,608 --> 00:05:06,652 The people that had rented the dune shack, 78 00:05:06,653 --> 00:05:08,830 they had a couple of dogs. 79 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:14,137 And the dog veered off and started barking at something. 80 00:05:14,138 --> 00:05:16,140 So my sister followed the dog. 81 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:30,589 The dog turned around here to this clump of scrub pines 82 00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:33,288 and that's when she saw the body. 83 00:05:38,250 --> 00:05:39,946 When my parents tell the story, 84 00:05:39,947 --> 00:05:44,603 my mother used to say that she heard my sister go, 85 00:05:44,604 --> 00:05:49,434 "Mom, Dad" and that there was something in the tone 86 00:05:49,435 --> 00:05:52,915 of her voice that really frightened my mother. 87 00:05:52,916 --> 00:05:57,964 And she said she grabbed my father's arm and she said, 88 00:05:57,965 --> 00:06:00,403 "I'm not going. Lenny, you go look." 89 00:06:02,753 --> 00:06:07,800 It was a woman and she was laying on her folded clothes. 90 00:06:07,801 --> 00:06:10,498 Like she could've been sunbathing. 91 00:06:10,499 --> 00:06:12,718 They took the jeep and went to the ranger station 92 00:06:12,719 --> 00:06:16,591 and reported it to the rangers. 93 00:06:16,592 --> 00:06:20,290 She was laying down, facedown, on half of a beach towel. 94 00:06:20,291 --> 00:06:25,426 Had dungarees and a kerchief she used as a pillow, sort of. 95 00:06:25,427 --> 00:06:28,473 Reddish brown, auburn hair, 5'6". 96 00:06:28,474 --> 00:06:30,866 The body was nude when she was found. 97 00:06:30,867 --> 00:06:33,129 They weren't sure how long she had been there, up to two weeks. 98 00:06:33,130 --> 00:06:34,783 It was July. It was hot. 99 00:06:34,784 --> 00:06:37,090 They didn't even want to get close to the body. 100 00:06:37,091 --> 00:06:39,962 It was that bad. 101 00:06:39,963 --> 00:06:41,616 Her skull was crushed. 102 00:06:41,617 --> 00:06:44,184 Her head was nearly decapitated. 103 00:06:44,185 --> 00:06:47,622 Her hands were cut off. 104 00:06:47,623 --> 00:06:50,886 Someone clearly wanted to hide her identity. 105 00:06:50,887 --> 00:06:54,586 This looked like someone who had perhaps done this before. 106 00:06:54,587 --> 00:06:57,676 This was one of the most publicized 107 00:06:57,677 --> 00:07:02,507 and notorious unresolved homicides in New England. 108 00:07:02,508 --> 00:07:05,727 It's a beautiful location contrasted 109 00:07:05,728 --> 00:07:08,862 with the brutal murder of an unknown young woman. 110 00:07:15,478 --> 00:07:19,567 Here's a grave, an unidentified female. 111 00:07:19,568 --> 00:07:21,830 Police weren't just searching for a killer. 112 00:07:21,831 --> 00:07:25,792 They were trying to find out who this woman was. 113 00:07:31,625 --> 00:07:34,364 We've been spending summers on the dunes 114 00:07:34,365 --> 00:07:37,761 since 1956 as a family. 115 00:07:39,197 --> 00:07:42,938 We had gone to town to pick up some groceries. 116 00:07:42,939 --> 00:07:47,900 And they waved us down. They seemed very agitated. 117 00:07:47,901 --> 00:07:50,032 Everybody was shouting at one time. 118 00:07:50,033 --> 00:07:53,168 And they said, "We found a body, we found a body." 119 00:07:55,431 --> 00:07:57,431 After the body was found, 120 00:07:57,432 --> 00:08:01,043 I think the whole town became a little more spooked. 121 00:08:01,044 --> 00:08:03,657 Who knows who's lurking in the dunes? 122 00:08:06,834 --> 00:08:09,661 It really, really rattled the community. 123 00:08:09,662 --> 00:08:12,098 They would lock the windows, lock the doors, 124 00:08:12,099 --> 00:08:14,753 be a little suspect of strangers. 125 00:08:14,754 --> 00:08:18,541 It was sort of like a town-wide game of Clue. 126 00:08:21,762 --> 00:08:24,284 I spent a great deal of time in Provincetown 127 00:08:24,285 --> 00:08:26,416 when I was an adolescent. 128 00:08:26,417 --> 00:08:28,943 It was just a wonderful, exotic place. 129 00:08:32,599 --> 00:08:34,076 This is not a pejorative word here, 130 00:08:34,077 --> 00:08:36,252 but you just have a lot of weirdos. 131 00:08:36,253 --> 00:08:39,170 And the town encourages that. It welcomes it in. 132 00:08:41,216 --> 00:08:45,174 You have the artists, you have the gay and lesbian community. 133 00:08:45,175 --> 00:08:47,701 The town would have been crawling with hippies. 134 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:53,400 Back in the '70s, 135 00:08:53,401 --> 00:08:57,796 our year-round population was probably about 2,500. 136 00:08:57,797 --> 00:08:59,624 In the summertime, 137 00:08:59,625 --> 00:09:02,497 that number would swell to 100,000 no problem. 138 00:09:07,459 --> 00:09:11,331 I worked for the Provincetown police department for 35 years. 139 00:09:11,332 --> 00:09:14,856 In 1974, started when I was 17. 140 00:09:14,857 --> 00:09:17,033 Working summers as a summer patrolman. 141 00:09:21,343 --> 00:09:23,171 It was known as Helltown. 142 00:09:25,652 --> 00:09:28,609 The bikers would take over one bar. 143 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:30,480 Across Commercial Street, 144 00:09:30,481 --> 00:09:32,700 the fishermen would be in another bar, 145 00:09:32,701 --> 00:09:35,529 and they would be bumping heads. 146 00:09:35,530 --> 00:09:36,880 All the time. 147 00:09:40,884 --> 00:09:45,931 We would go all night long from fight to fight to fight. 148 00:09:45,932 --> 00:09:50,849 I would go home every night, bloodied, torn uniform. 149 00:09:50,850 --> 00:09:54,679 Anything goes. Drugs, alcohol, you name it. 150 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:56,291 It was allowed. 151 00:09:57,684 --> 00:10:00,034 I shouldn't say it was allowed. It went on. 152 00:10:02,297 --> 00:10:08,608 But something like this was just huge news. 153 00:10:09,870 --> 00:10:14,481 That something of that magnitude could happen in our town. 154 00:10:14,482 --> 00:10:17,355 The first step was to identify her. 155 00:10:18,922 --> 00:10:20,661 And we reached out to the community. 156 00:10:20,662 --> 00:10:22,663 Because the community is so small. 157 00:10:22,664 --> 00:10:24,710 Everybody knows everybody. Word was out. 158 00:10:30,717 --> 00:10:33,631 Nobody was missing anybody from their family. 159 00:10:33,632 --> 00:10:36,026 We knew immediately it was nobody local. 160 00:10:39,769 --> 00:10:43,075 As the days and weeks and months went by, 161 00:10:43,076 --> 00:10:46,644 we could find no more information about this woman. 162 00:10:46,645 --> 00:10:50,430 So the community gave her a name. 163 00:10:50,431 --> 00:10:54,260 The Lady of the Dunes was a term that the locals used. 164 00:10:54,261 --> 00:10:56,218 I'm not sure that my father was the one 165 00:10:56,219 --> 00:10:59,180 that came up with it. In fact, I'm pretty sure he wasn't. 166 00:11:00,790 --> 00:11:04,444 Based on the proximity to the dune shacks, 167 00:11:04,445 --> 00:11:09,231 the location of that area of where her body was positioned, 168 00:11:09,232 --> 00:11:13,366 the perpetrator most likely was very familiar 169 00:11:13,367 --> 00:11:16,238 with that area in the dunes. 170 00:11:16,239 --> 00:11:19,198 At the time, in order to get out to the dune trails, 171 00:11:19,199 --> 00:11:20,939 there was a shack 172 00:11:20,940 --> 00:11:22,767 that was manned by the National Park Rangers. 173 00:11:22,768 --> 00:11:25,291 And when you would pull up to the booth, 174 00:11:25,292 --> 00:11:28,294 they would write down every plate number 175 00:11:28,295 --> 00:11:32,733 and the name of the operator who was going out onto the dunes. 176 00:11:32,734 --> 00:11:35,780 The shack isn't manned 24 hours a day. 177 00:11:35,781 --> 00:11:37,695 Anybody who's familiar with driving 178 00:11:37,696 --> 00:11:39,914 out there would know that. 179 00:11:39,915 --> 00:11:42,351 It would appear that this type of murder, 180 00:11:42,352 --> 00:11:46,094 he probably murdered prior or has murdered since. 181 00:11:46,095 --> 00:11:50,316 This was not a crime of passion. This was premeditated. 182 00:11:50,317 --> 00:11:54,059 There was definitely a sense of unease around town. 183 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:58,019 We were wondering if somebody in the community was a murderer. 184 00:11:58,020 --> 00:12:00,153 That had happened before. 185 00:12:10,207 --> 00:12:12,468 Five years before the Lady of the Dunes was discovered, 186 00:12:12,469 --> 00:12:17,038 there was a serial killer in Provincetown named Tony Costa. 187 00:12:17,039 --> 00:12:21,129 This was the first grave that was found. 188 00:12:21,130 --> 00:12:27,570 And after probing, we found the remains of an unidentified girl. 189 00:12:27,571 --> 00:12:30,443 There are indications that there are teeth marks 190 00:12:30,444 --> 00:12:34,752 on some of these parts of these dismembered bodies. 191 00:12:34,753 --> 00:12:39,408 Tony Costa was known as "Tony Chop Chop" due to his crimes. 192 00:12:39,409 --> 00:12:42,063 That particular case occurred actually in Truro, 193 00:12:42,064 --> 00:12:44,413 the next town over. 194 00:12:44,414 --> 00:12:46,589 There were similarities with Tony Costa, 195 00:12:46,590 --> 00:12:50,637 and now we have another murdered young woman. 196 00:12:50,638 --> 00:12:54,336 These women who were murdered were all visitors. 197 00:12:54,337 --> 00:12:56,034 Nobody in town suddenly was like, 198 00:12:56,035 --> 00:12:57,905 "Hey, where did so and so go?" 199 00:12:57,906 --> 00:13:00,168 The age of the decomposed bodies 200 00:13:00,169 --> 00:13:03,258 may go back beyond six months, eight months, nine months. 201 00:13:03,259 --> 00:13:05,521 We don't know what took place during that time, 202 00:13:05,522 --> 00:13:09,047 and at least 2,000 or 3,000 missing females 203 00:13:09,048 --> 00:13:10,918 in the United States 204 00:13:10,919 --> 00:13:15,314 and we don't know how many may be buried in the Truro woods. 205 00:13:15,315 --> 00:13:19,361 It was incredibly disturbing to the town and upsetting, 206 00:13:19,362 --> 00:13:22,800 and when something that dark happens again, 207 00:13:22,801 --> 00:13:25,760 you start to wonder if this isn't becoming a new normal. 208 00:13:34,117 --> 00:13:38,119 The Tony Costa thing was fresh in everybody's mind. 209 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,470 Everybody in town was concerned and afraid 210 00:13:41,471 --> 00:13:44,909 that there was a serial killer around. 211 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:47,607 Tony Costa had been charged with 212 00:13:47,608 --> 00:13:50,653 killing several women in Truro. 213 00:13:50,654 --> 00:13:55,354 But Tony Costa had died by what was determined to be suicide 214 00:13:55,355 --> 00:13:56,836 in prison... 215 00:13:58,707 --> 00:14:02,492 ...prior to the Lady of the Dunes being found. 216 00:14:14,723 --> 00:14:16,418 I was 12 years old at the time 217 00:14:16,419 --> 00:14:19,032 that the woman in the dunes was found. 218 00:14:20,468 --> 00:14:22,598 It's something that I'll never forget. 219 00:14:22,599 --> 00:14:25,123 One thing that sticks out in my mind 220 00:14:25,124 --> 00:14:27,909 was me going to the police station to visit my dad. 221 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,220 The police station was underneath Town Hall. 222 00:14:35,221 --> 00:14:37,831 You walked down a set of stairs. When you walked in, 223 00:14:37,832 --> 00:14:42,923 there was a small room. To the left was his office. 224 00:14:42,924 --> 00:14:44,925 As you walked into his office, 225 00:14:44,926 --> 00:14:46,840 his desk was right in front of me. 226 00:14:46,841 --> 00:14:51,410 There was paneled walls on either side and photographs. 227 00:14:51,411 --> 00:14:56,373 A gruesome display of her hands chopped off, her skull caved in. 228 00:14:59,594 --> 00:15:02,551 I remember the skull laying on his desk. 229 00:15:02,552 --> 00:15:04,555 The whole thing was pretty disturbing. 230 00:15:07,515 --> 00:15:11,952 Chief Meads worked tirelessly on this case. 231 00:15:11,953 --> 00:15:13,693 In the very beginning, 232 00:15:13,694 --> 00:15:16,696 Chief Meads ran down every possible lead, hoping 233 00:15:16,697 --> 00:15:18,567 something would jump out. 234 00:15:18,568 --> 00:15:22,658 He believed if we could identify her, 235 00:15:22,659 --> 00:15:25,661 it would immediately take us to her killer. 236 00:15:25,662 --> 00:15:27,663 Canvassed the entire area. 237 00:15:27,664 --> 00:15:30,405 We used metal detectors, brought in the park police bloodhounds, 238 00:15:30,406 --> 00:15:34,409 canvassed the area for the hands and made a complete search. 239 00:15:34,410 --> 00:15:38,413 He always had something that he was looking at. 240 00:15:38,414 --> 00:15:41,547 Our own men went through every motel, 241 00:15:41,548 --> 00:15:46,247 hotel, campground looking for some articles of clothing 242 00:15:46,248 --> 00:15:49,120 perhaps that some young lady had left behind. 243 00:15:49,121 --> 00:15:52,471 In the '70s there was no DNA. 244 00:15:52,472 --> 00:15:58,346 The most advanced forensic tools available 245 00:15:58,347 --> 00:16:05,005 would have been blood typing, fingerprints, photographs. 246 00:16:05,006 --> 00:16:07,094 When those leads didn't pan out, 247 00:16:07,095 --> 00:16:09,969 he tried to identify her through dental records. 248 00:16:11,666 --> 00:16:13,579 Chief Meads turned to the dental records 249 00:16:13,580 --> 00:16:16,799 because the teeth that were in her skull 250 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:23,502 contained a large sum of money invested in gold fillings. 251 00:16:23,503 --> 00:16:28,637 And it was done in what's called the New York style of dentistry. 252 00:16:28,638 --> 00:16:30,161 You know, you can draw a lot of conclusions 253 00:16:30,162 --> 00:16:32,119 about the dental work. 254 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,556 The gold in this young lady's head 255 00:16:34,557 --> 00:16:36,994 is valued today at $7,000 to $10,000. 256 00:16:36,995 --> 00:16:40,649 So Chief Meads contacted the American Dental Association 257 00:16:40,650 --> 00:16:44,480 to see if any dentists out there recognize these charts. 258 00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:53,923 He contacted every state in the country. 259 00:16:53,924 --> 00:16:57,231 As many dentists as he could. 260 00:16:57,232 --> 00:16:58,667 You would think or hope 261 00:16:58,668 --> 00:17:00,147 that someone would have looked at that 262 00:17:00,148 --> 00:17:01,366 and said, "Yes, I know who that is. 263 00:17:01,367 --> 00:17:03,152 I worked on her." 264 00:17:15,904 --> 00:17:19,166 I believe it haunted my dad because he really felt 265 00:17:19,167 --> 00:17:21,560 like he wanted to give this woman a name 266 00:17:21,561 --> 00:17:25,085 and give her family some closure. 267 00:17:25,086 --> 00:17:28,001 He was personally responsible for having her buried 268 00:17:28,002 --> 00:17:30,395 in the Catholic cemetery. 269 00:17:30,396 --> 00:17:32,658 The Catholic church, 270 00:17:32,659 --> 00:17:34,616 they were a little hesitant to let him do that 271 00:17:34,617 --> 00:17:39,839 because they didn't know if she was a Catholic or not 272 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,667 but he had some connections 273 00:17:41,668 --> 00:17:43,799 and he was able to get them to allow her 274 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,586 to be buried in the cemetery. The good part about that 275 00:17:47,587 --> 00:17:49,805 was they were able to have her right there 276 00:17:49,806 --> 00:17:51,635 if they ever had to exhume her. 277 00:17:53,550 --> 00:17:55,637 Every cop wants to solve every crime, 278 00:17:55,638 --> 00:18:00,251 but this really struck a note with Chief Meads. 279 00:18:00,252 --> 00:18:01,991 He worked on the case all the time. 280 00:18:01,992 --> 00:18:03,472 He was determined about it. 281 00:18:08,696 --> 00:18:12,089 This was always a Provincetown case from its inception. 282 00:18:12,090 --> 00:18:13,916 In the beginning, 283 00:18:13,917 --> 00:18:16,312 the state police worked the case with Chief Meads. 284 00:18:18,619 --> 00:18:23,622 As the years went on, the state police input dissipated. 285 00:18:23,623 --> 00:18:26,146 When Chief Meads was interviewed, you know, 286 00:18:26,147 --> 00:18:29,149 "Why are you putting so much time and effort into this case?" 287 00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:33,284 And he said, "You have no business being a police officer 288 00:18:33,285 --> 00:18:35,982 if you can't demonstrate the duty of care, 289 00:18:35,983 --> 00:18:40,640 you owe to your victim and to their family." 290 00:18:52,087 --> 00:18:53,521 As a police chief, 291 00:18:53,522 --> 00:18:55,567 my father was haunted by the fact 292 00:18:55,568 --> 00:18:59,440 that the woman didn't have an identity. 293 00:18:59,441 --> 00:19:01,399 And I think the biggest thing with the case 294 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:06,186 was he wanted to put a name to her and then in turn 295 00:19:06,187 --> 00:19:09,189 that would help him solve the case. 296 00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:10,625 As a teenager, 297 00:19:10,626 --> 00:19:12,714 I was given this bag as a Christmas gift 298 00:19:12,715 --> 00:19:16,457 or a birthday gift, and then all of a sudden, one day, 299 00:19:16,458 --> 00:19:20,244 my father asked me if he could use the bag. 300 00:19:20,245 --> 00:19:22,376 He would put the skull in it, 301 00:19:22,377 --> 00:19:25,901 kept it in his possession all the time, 302 00:19:25,902 --> 00:19:29,340 and took it from one place to the other. 303 00:19:29,341 --> 00:19:31,777 Chief Meads' next step was 304 00:19:31,778 --> 00:19:36,738 to get a clay reconstruction done of her skull. 305 00:19:36,739 --> 00:19:41,308 He had the skull brought to have clay restructure the face, 306 00:19:41,309 --> 00:19:43,747 the bones, to come up with a picture. 307 00:19:45,793 --> 00:19:48,707 She's described as 5'6" to 5'8", 308 00:19:48,708 --> 00:19:53,407 about 140 pounds, athletic build, long, reddish brown hair. 309 00:19:53,408 --> 00:19:57,890 They sought information from the public 310 00:19:57,891 --> 00:19:59,718 based on those composites, 311 00:19:59,719 --> 00:20:03,156 if anyone could make an identification. 312 00:20:03,157 --> 00:20:06,290 Chief Meads went to the media with it everywhere 313 00:20:06,291 --> 00:20:08,988 and every possible way he could. 314 00:20:08,989 --> 00:20:12,252 The hope was that somebody would recognize her. 315 00:20:12,253 --> 00:20:14,385 The chief has had hundreds of leads, 316 00:20:14,386 --> 00:20:17,910 hundreds of letters and hundreds of disappointments. 317 00:20:17,911 --> 00:20:19,738 I often thought 318 00:20:19,739 --> 00:20:23,263 somebody out there is missing a family member. 319 00:20:23,264 --> 00:20:25,876 Why are we not hearing about it? 320 00:20:29,619 --> 00:20:31,271 Through the course of the investigation, 321 00:20:31,272 --> 00:20:34,753 they found a good five or six women who were still alive 322 00:20:34,754 --> 00:20:36,668 and did not want to be found. 323 00:20:36,669 --> 00:20:38,496 Like, "Yeah, I hate my family. 324 00:20:38,497 --> 00:20:40,760 I disappeared. Like, leave me alone." 325 00:20:45,156 --> 00:20:47,592 Provincetown at that time was full of people 326 00:20:47,593 --> 00:20:50,595 who were escaping things. 327 00:20:50,596 --> 00:20:52,161 I think there was always kind of a thought like, 328 00:20:52,162 --> 00:20:53,293 could she have been a criminal? 329 00:20:53,294 --> 00:20:54,731 Was she on the run? 330 00:20:57,604 --> 00:21:03,260 When the body was first found, the hands were missing. 331 00:21:03,261 --> 00:21:05,697 The only logical reason 332 00:21:05,698 --> 00:21:08,439 to cut off the Lady in the Dunes' hands 333 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,789 is to prevent her identification. 334 00:21:10,790 --> 00:21:14,271 Back in the '70s, you have to ask yourself, 335 00:21:14,272 --> 00:21:15,620 who got fingerprinted? 336 00:21:15,621 --> 00:21:20,581 Military, federal employees, criminals. 337 00:21:20,582 --> 00:21:25,630 We arrested many fugitives of justice 338 00:21:25,631 --> 00:21:28,633 because they could get lost in the crowds. 339 00:21:28,634 --> 00:21:31,549 They could come here and disappear. 340 00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:33,725 He was just trying everything he could 341 00:21:33,726 --> 00:21:36,468 in his power to come up with a solution. 342 00:21:40,995 --> 00:21:42,516 The body of work 343 00:21:42,517 --> 00:21:46,651 that Chief Meads left behind was voluminous, 344 00:21:46,652 --> 00:21:53,092 it was detailed, and it was ruthless in the way 345 00:21:53,093 --> 00:21:56,487 he hunted down every lead. 346 00:21:56,488 --> 00:21:59,359 His only wish was to find out who she was. 347 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:01,666 And he took offense to the fact 348 00:22:01,667 --> 00:22:03,929 that somebody did something in his town. 349 00:22:03,930 --> 00:22:06,018 The lawman obsessed by his search. 350 00:22:06,019 --> 00:22:07,628 Police Chief Jim Meads' 351 00:22:07,629 --> 00:22:10,677 investigation has become his obsession. 352 00:22:21,122 --> 00:22:23,209 As time progressed, 353 00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:25,907 we didn't see Dad as much as we had in the past 354 00:22:25,908 --> 00:22:28,432 because he was buried in his work. 355 00:22:28,433 --> 00:22:32,915 As time goes on, my hopes diminish. 356 00:22:41,272 --> 00:22:42,750 This was the biggest case 357 00:22:42,751 --> 00:22:45,755 that he had in his tenure as police chief. 358 00:22:47,714 --> 00:22:50,758 Chief Meads had it right when he said 359 00:22:50,759 --> 00:22:55,546 our goal here is to identify her and get her her name back. 360 00:22:55,547 --> 00:22:59,160 That was adopted by Chief Tobias. 361 00:23:03,164 --> 00:23:05,294 I became detective and I asked him 362 00:23:05,295 --> 00:23:08,080 if I could take over the case. 363 00:23:08,081 --> 00:23:10,125 He had to kind of ease my way in there. 364 00:23:10,126 --> 00:23:14,828 I mean, that was really his personal property. 365 00:23:17,308 --> 00:23:20,964 This was his baby, and he was reluctant to let it go. 366 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:29,623 I would go through that case file time and time again. 367 00:23:29,624 --> 00:23:31,756 This was not just a random act of violence 368 00:23:31,757 --> 00:23:34,193 that the person would have just been left there 369 00:23:34,194 --> 00:23:36,456 if she'd been killed on the spot just randomly. 370 00:23:36,457 --> 00:23:43,596 This person set this body up to taunt the police, if you will. 371 00:23:47,643 --> 00:23:49,861 When I took over the case from Chief Meads, 372 00:23:49,862 --> 00:23:52,733 I was starting from scratch. 373 00:23:52,734 --> 00:23:57,346 That case folder was at least three feet thick. 374 00:23:57,347 --> 00:24:01,220 At least a thousand pages of documents, reports, 375 00:24:01,221 --> 00:24:06,878 magazines, news articles, notes from Chief Meads. 376 00:24:06,879 --> 00:24:09,663 I read that case folder so many times, 377 00:24:09,664 --> 00:24:11,537 hoping something would jump out. 378 00:24:13,408 --> 00:24:15,452 But, at that point in time, 379 00:24:15,453 --> 00:24:20,457 I had a new investigative tool that Chief Meads did not have. 380 00:24:20,458 --> 00:24:22,197 That was a whole different ballgame. 381 00:24:22,198 --> 00:24:24,983 Controversial technique known as DNA fingerprinting. 382 00:24:24,984 --> 00:24:27,812 Putting more and more criminals behind bars. 383 00:24:27,813 --> 00:24:30,815 It's the latest in high-tech crime solving. 384 00:24:30,816 --> 00:24:33,208 Virtually any trace of human contact left 385 00:24:33,209 --> 00:24:35,689 at the scene of a crime can now be analyzed, 386 00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:38,692 tested, and retested to reveal a person's 387 00:24:38,693 --> 00:24:40,740 smallest genetic makeup. 388 00:24:42,742 --> 00:24:47,527 DNA was just beginning to be used in cases. 389 00:24:47,528 --> 00:24:50,051 According to Provincetown Police, 390 00:24:50,052 --> 00:24:54,316 they went to go get the physical evidence from the crime scene 391 00:24:54,317 --> 00:24:56,277 because they wanted to test it. 392 00:24:57,365 --> 00:24:58,973 I knew the State Police 393 00:24:58,974 --> 00:25:02,237 and the district attorney's office held the evidence. 394 00:25:02,238 --> 00:25:06,156 They had the towel, the jeans, her hair. 395 00:25:07,941 --> 00:25:11,899 That physical evidence could very well have DNA on it, 396 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:14,380 not only the DNA of the perpetrator, 397 00:25:14,381 --> 00:25:17,731 but the DNA of the victim. 398 00:25:17,732 --> 00:25:21,302 I made arrangements to go get the evidence. 399 00:25:23,043 --> 00:25:25,913 When I got to the state police barracks, 400 00:25:25,914 --> 00:25:27,915 they gave me a sheet of paper. 401 00:25:27,916 --> 00:25:33,618 It was a report saying that they had thrown away the evidence. 402 00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:41,102 I was shocked. 403 00:25:41,103 --> 00:25:47,239 Why in the world would you throw away the evidence 404 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,808 to an unsolved murder? 405 00:25:51,985 --> 00:25:55,769 The case was only 15 years old. 406 00:25:55,770 --> 00:25:58,032 The reason they had gotten rid of it 407 00:25:58,033 --> 00:26:03,995 was they had a storage locker and they needed more room. 408 00:26:03,996 --> 00:26:07,477 So there goes my source of DNA for the Lady in the Dunes. 409 00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:21,316 This was devastating to the investigation. 410 00:26:21,317 --> 00:26:25,886 I kept my mouth shut about this for 30 years. 411 00:26:25,887 --> 00:26:31,805 I didn't want to publicly 412 00:26:31,806 --> 00:26:34,634 damage the reputation 413 00:26:34,635 --> 00:26:36,682 of law enforcement. 414 00:26:45,386 --> 00:26:48,039 And then I had gotten a lead about a fugitive 415 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,913 who had escaped and had disappeared. 416 00:26:55,352 --> 00:26:57,483 I got a call from the Pembroke Police Department. 417 00:26:57,484 --> 00:26:59,224 One of their investigators 418 00:26:59,225 --> 00:27:01,226 had seen a story on the Lady of the Dunes, 419 00:27:01,227 --> 00:27:06,840 and he had a theory about a woman who went missing in 1973. 420 00:27:06,841 --> 00:27:09,190 Rory Gene Kesinger. 421 00:27:09,191 --> 00:27:12,541 Her story really is a crazy story unto itself. 422 00:27:12,542 --> 00:27:17,546 Young girl, running guns, drugs, crisscrossing the country, 423 00:27:17,547 --> 00:27:19,984 trying to shoot police officers. 424 00:27:19,985 --> 00:27:22,857 It's almost like Bonnie and Clyde without Clyde. 425 00:27:26,906 --> 00:27:29,863 Rory was living just off-Cape. 426 00:27:29,864 --> 00:27:32,387 The police department there did a raid one night 427 00:27:32,388 --> 00:27:34,433 on her apartment. 428 00:27:34,434 --> 00:27:39,481 When they raided it, she tried to shoot one of the officers. 429 00:27:39,482 --> 00:27:43,050 She came in from the front bedroom with a gun in her hand 430 00:27:43,051 --> 00:27:45,183 and very politely said, 431 00:27:45,184 --> 00:27:47,576 "I'm sorry, Officer, but I have to kill you." 432 00:27:47,577 --> 00:27:51,276 Pushed the weapon that she had to the side, handcuffed her. 433 00:27:51,277 --> 00:27:54,235 We found a number of guns. We found a lot of money. 434 00:27:54,236 --> 00:27:57,499 It was probably the biggest drug raid in Plymouth County. 435 00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:01,286 She ended up in the Plymouth House of Correction. 436 00:28:01,287 --> 00:28:03,027 Honest to God, you can't make this up, 437 00:28:03,028 --> 00:28:04,942 It's like out of a movie. 438 00:28:04,943 --> 00:28:07,727 Kesinger hacksawed her way through these bars, 439 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:11,428 slipped out this window, and was never heard from again. 440 00:28:14,649 --> 00:28:19,086 The timing was perfect for her to be the Lady in the Dunes 441 00:28:19,087 --> 00:28:22,352 'cause it happened before the Lady in the Dunes was found. 442 00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:26,441 She fit the description physically. 443 00:28:26,442 --> 00:28:28,269 She was a criminal, 444 00:28:28,270 --> 00:28:30,054 which fit one of the three possibilities of 445 00:28:30,055 --> 00:28:32,491 why you would remove the hands. 446 00:28:32,492 --> 00:28:36,582 But the only way to confirm that she was a match 447 00:28:36,583 --> 00:28:40,936 for the Lady of the Dunes was through DNA. 448 00:28:47,421 --> 00:28:49,813 Rory Gene Kesinger absolutely changed the course 449 00:28:49,814 --> 00:28:52,641 of my investigation 450 00:28:52,642 --> 00:28:58,517 because now I was focused on this one individual. 451 00:28:58,518 --> 00:29:01,346 But unfortunately the evidence that had been 452 00:29:01,347 --> 00:29:05,264 found at the scene, that had been thrown away. 453 00:29:10,052 --> 00:29:13,358 Chief Tobias sent the skull of the Lady of the Dunes 454 00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:17,188 to attempt to extract DNA for a profile. 455 00:29:17,189 --> 00:29:19,190 At that point in time, Cellmark 456 00:29:19,191 --> 00:29:22,715 was like the premier DNA company. 457 00:29:22,716 --> 00:29:24,195 So we sent the samples there. 458 00:29:24,196 --> 00:29:27,067 DNA fingerprinting by Cellmark Diagnostics. 459 00:29:27,068 --> 00:29:30,723 With virtually 100% accuracy, researchers can now link 460 00:29:30,724 --> 00:29:33,378 a drop of blood found at a crime scene. 461 00:29:33,379 --> 00:29:38,078 DNA was new, and it wasn't 100% guaranteed. 462 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:40,298 But I was hopeful. 463 00:29:40,299 --> 00:29:42,561 If I can get DNA from the body 464 00:29:42,562 --> 00:29:46,739 and then find a family member from Rory Gene Kesinger, 465 00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:48,351 this could solve the case. 466 00:29:51,398 --> 00:29:57,141 But, unfortunately, Cellmark was ultimately unable to extract 467 00:29:57,142 --> 00:30:01,885 enough DNA to get a profile. 468 00:30:01,886 --> 00:30:04,583 It was a dead end. 469 00:30:04,584 --> 00:30:07,892 That was so depressing. 470 00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:19,076 At this point, the case is about 25 years old. 471 00:30:19,077 --> 00:30:22,429 And Dr. Bruce Jackson had come into the picture. 472 00:30:24,126 --> 00:30:26,300 Dr. Bruce Jackson worked 473 00:30:26,301 --> 00:30:29,869 with the federal government identifying soldiers' remains 474 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:31,349 brought back from Vietnam. 475 00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:34,743 I mean, this guy knew his stuff. 476 00:30:34,744 --> 00:30:40,880 Dr. Jackson volunteered his time, his lab, his money. 477 00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:46,190 So, what is my next avenue for DNA? 478 00:30:46,191 --> 00:30:48,194 I needed to exhume the body. 479 00:30:49,673 --> 00:30:53,980 The samples were sent to Dr. Jackson. 480 00:30:53,981 --> 00:30:56,941 And he was able to get a good sample. 481 00:31:01,642 --> 00:31:04,208 It was a godsend. 482 00:31:04,209 --> 00:31:06,819 Now that we have a sample, we can see 483 00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:10,170 if Rory Gene Kesinger was the Lady of the Dunes. 484 00:31:10,171 --> 00:31:13,043 Tracking down her family was very difficult 485 00:31:13,044 --> 00:31:15,654 because of the amount of time that had passed. 486 00:31:15,655 --> 00:31:18,657 But I did eventually find the mother. 487 00:31:18,658 --> 00:31:21,965 I'd had a gut feeling this was gonna be it from the first time 488 00:31:21,966 --> 00:31:24,054 I heard about Rory Gene Kesinger. 489 00:31:24,055 --> 00:31:28,841 So now I could test her DNA against the DNA 490 00:31:28,842 --> 00:31:31,496 from the Lady of the Dunes. 491 00:31:31,497 --> 00:31:34,196 This was huge. This could solve the case. 492 00:31:37,330 --> 00:31:40,941 But it was not Rory Gene Kesinger. 493 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,818 I was devastated. 494 00:31:49,819 --> 00:31:54,173 I had 10 years' worth of work on Rory Kesinger. 495 00:31:56,479 --> 00:32:01,743 I remember looking at that huge file and thinking to myself, 496 00:32:01,744 --> 00:32:03,094 "I'm back at square one." 497 00:32:09,492 --> 00:32:11,971 You know, it's a haunting ghost story. 498 00:32:11,972 --> 00:32:14,495 Over the decades, there have been many theories 499 00:32:14,496 --> 00:32:18,282 about who she was, what could have happened to her. 500 00:32:18,283 --> 00:32:20,545 It very quickly goes in these wild directions 501 00:32:20,546 --> 00:32:24,418 of satanic cults and biker gangs, UFOs, 502 00:32:24,419 --> 00:32:26,899 actual ghosts in the dunes. 503 00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:29,554 Infamous mob boss Whitey Bulger spent lots of time 504 00:32:29,555 --> 00:32:34,820 in Provincetown, and this looked like a mob hit. 505 00:32:34,821 --> 00:32:36,606 Could she have known too much? 506 00:32:39,218 --> 00:32:41,131 But then I got a phone call from 507 00:32:41,132 --> 00:32:44,047 Montgomery County, Maryland. 508 00:32:44,048 --> 00:32:47,616 A serial killer confessed to killing the Lady in the Dunes. 509 00:32:57,105 --> 00:32:59,540 Marking soft sticks. 510 00:32:59,541 --> 00:33:01,455 My name is Alec Wilkinson, 511 00:33:01,456 --> 00:33:03,892 and I'm a longtime writer at "The New Yorker." 512 00:33:03,893 --> 00:33:09,246 I was up on the Cape and I was talking to a police chief 513 00:33:09,247 --> 00:33:12,337 and I said, "Anything interesting going on?" 514 00:33:13,817 --> 00:33:16,429 And he said, "I think I have a serial killer." 515 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:20,084 The murderer's name was Hadden Clark. 516 00:33:25,438 --> 00:33:27,744 I spent my childhood on Cape Cod. 517 00:33:30,182 --> 00:33:32,617 My mother made me aware 518 00:33:32,618 --> 00:33:37,056 that I had been in a swimming class with Hadden Clark. 519 00:33:37,057 --> 00:33:39,450 I really only had a sort of incomplete memory 520 00:33:39,451 --> 00:33:43,499 of a kind of shivering little boy. 521 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,895 I got in touch with Hadden probably 1999, 2000, 522 00:33:49,896 --> 00:33:52,854 because I was so intrigued by the story 523 00:33:52,855 --> 00:33:55,468 that the Wellfleet police chief had told me. 524 00:33:57,513 --> 00:33:59,992 Hadden Clark wasn't the normal sort of killer 525 00:33:59,993 --> 00:34:01,994 you meet in prison. 526 00:34:01,995 --> 00:34:06,172 He was not an imposing or threatening sort of person. 527 00:34:06,173 --> 00:34:08,522 He had a kind of hidden sullen side 528 00:34:08,523 --> 00:34:12,309 that was capable of a real menace. 529 00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:15,225 His family was from this area. 530 00:34:15,226 --> 00:34:19,229 He had worked in Provincetown. 531 00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:22,667 His diagnosis is a paranoid schizophrenic. 532 00:34:22,668 --> 00:34:27,846 Clark exhibited narcissistic as well as sociopathic tendencies. 533 00:34:27,847 --> 00:34:29,892 There was certainly something wrong with him. 534 00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:41,338 Hadden Clark first came to the attention of our agency, 535 00:34:41,339 --> 00:34:42,426 Montgomery County, Maryland, 536 00:34:42,427 --> 00:34:44,515 in the middle '80s 537 00:34:44,516 --> 00:34:48,780 when the disappearance of Michele Dorr occurred. 538 00:34:48,781 --> 00:34:51,565 Six-year-old Michele Dorr mysteriously disappeared 539 00:34:51,566 --> 00:34:54,177 while outside her Silver Spring home. 540 00:34:54,178 --> 00:34:56,918 Clark at the time was a neighbor, 541 00:34:56,919 --> 00:34:58,703 lived just a few doors away. 542 00:34:58,704 --> 00:35:01,097 The police questioned a man known 543 00:35:01,098 --> 00:35:02,752 as the neighborhood oddball. 544 00:35:04,928 --> 00:35:08,932 Then Hadden Clark's name came up in another investigation. 545 00:35:10,282 --> 00:35:11,716 The friends, family, 546 00:35:11,717 --> 00:35:13,544 and co-workers of Laura Houghteling 547 00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:15,415 have a mystery on their hands tonight, 548 00:35:15,416 --> 00:35:16,721 trying to figure out what happened 549 00:35:16,722 --> 00:35:18,636 to the young Bethesda woman 550 00:35:18,637 --> 00:35:20,594 who appears to have vanished without a trace. 551 00:35:20,595 --> 00:35:23,467 Police have found traces of blood in her bedroom 552 00:35:23,468 --> 00:35:26,905 and bloody bedclothes in a nearby wooded area. 553 00:35:26,906 --> 00:35:30,606 In that blood was Hadden Clark's fingerprint. 554 00:35:31,825 --> 00:35:35,566 Her mother had hired Hadden Clark as a handyman. 555 00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:37,220 Clark finally confessed to the killing 556 00:35:37,221 --> 00:35:39,875 and led police to the young woman's body in Bethesda. 557 00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:50,885 In the late '90s, 558 00:35:50,886 --> 00:35:53,584 information came from another inmate 559 00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:55,629 in the State Correctional Facility 560 00:35:55,630 --> 00:35:57,936 who had befriended Clark. 561 00:35:57,937 --> 00:36:01,766 This man had long hair and a beard, and Hadden said, 562 00:36:01,767 --> 00:36:03,463 "I know who you are. You're the second coming of Christ. 563 00:36:03,464 --> 00:36:06,074 You're Jesus." 564 00:36:06,075 --> 00:36:09,991 And Hadden would tell Jesus things about what he had done. 565 00:36:09,992 --> 00:36:12,298 And he said that he'd been responsible for the death 566 00:36:12,299 --> 00:36:13,997 of the Lady of the Dunes. 567 00:36:34,322 --> 00:36:37,193 Hadden Clark confessed to killing Lady in the Dunes over 568 00:36:37,194 --> 00:36:38,587 and over and over again. 569 00:36:40,676 --> 00:36:43,590 He eventually would tell us that he became angry, 570 00:36:43,591 --> 00:36:45,853 attacked the woman, bludgeoned her, 571 00:36:45,854 --> 00:36:48,639 and removed all her clothing. 572 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,905 He then removed her hands. 573 00:36:58,912 --> 00:37:02,696 Clark's description of what he did to the Lady of the Dunes, 574 00:37:02,697 --> 00:37:05,787 was consistent with the crime scene. 575 00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:14,839 Hadden Clark made several drawings when he was in prison, 576 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,105 one of which depicted the victim in the position she was found, 577 00:37:20,106 --> 00:37:22,325 where her body was found. 578 00:37:22,326 --> 00:37:26,372 And they found, in his possessions, 579 00:37:26,373 --> 00:37:29,421 tokens from his other crimes. 580 00:37:31,684 --> 00:37:33,553 One of the things that they found 581 00:37:33,554 --> 00:37:37,124 was a jewelry box filled with beach sand. 582 00:37:37,951 --> 00:37:43,346 Beach sand, the Lady of the Dunes was found in the dunes. 583 00:37:43,347 --> 00:37:46,871 Acting on this information that Clark had provided, 584 00:37:46,872 --> 00:37:50,701 we contact the Massachusetts State Police. 585 00:37:50,702 --> 00:37:54,400 It was determined it would be beneficial 586 00:37:54,401 --> 00:37:57,449 to bring Clark out to Cape Cod. 587 00:37:59,233 --> 00:38:02,060 We made arrangements to see if he could show me 588 00:38:02,061 --> 00:38:06,064 where the body was, and where her hands were. 589 00:38:06,065 --> 00:38:10,460 Anytime you're dealing with someone with a diagnosis 590 00:38:10,461 --> 00:38:12,766 of paranoid schizophrenia, 591 00:38:12,767 --> 00:38:15,813 it's certainly worth looking at. 592 00:38:15,814 --> 00:38:18,206 They drive him up from Maryland. 593 00:38:18,207 --> 00:38:19,556 They had brought Jesus along too 594 00:38:19,557 --> 00:38:22,428 because Jesus is the Hadden whisperer. 595 00:38:22,429 --> 00:38:24,822 The two of them were transported 596 00:38:24,823 --> 00:38:29,087 by Montgomery County detectives as well as FBI personnel. 597 00:38:29,088 --> 00:38:33,310 My supervisor felt that I had an ability to keep Clark talking. 598 00:38:36,357 --> 00:38:38,401 Hadden had two personalities. 599 00:38:38,402 --> 00:38:43,188 And the second was a woman named Kristen who was mean and evil. 600 00:38:43,189 --> 00:38:46,017 And remorseless. 601 00:38:46,018 --> 00:38:49,063 On this particular morning, he was Kristen. 602 00:38:49,064 --> 00:38:52,153 And Kristen wasn't gonna cooperate 603 00:38:52,154 --> 00:38:56,899 unless she was allowed to obtain some women's clothing. 604 00:38:58,988 --> 00:39:00,379 And about 10 miles from Wellfleet, 605 00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:02,860 they go to a department store. 606 00:39:02,861 --> 00:39:05,123 This is 20 years ago. 607 00:39:05,124 --> 00:39:10,433 You know, it was a bold thing on Hadden's part to ask for it. 608 00:39:10,434 --> 00:39:13,740 We were going the extra mile on this. 609 00:39:13,741 --> 00:39:16,963 Clark went in. He picked out various items. 610 00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:23,620 I remember a couple black SUVs pulling up 611 00:39:23,621 --> 00:39:25,099 in front of the station over here. 612 00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:26,492 And they were late. 613 00:39:26,493 --> 00:39:28,189 And they told me they were late 614 00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:33,586 because Hadden Clark kept attacking the deputies 615 00:39:33,587 --> 00:39:34,935 that were transporting him 616 00:39:34,936 --> 00:39:36,678 'cause he wanted to drink their blood. 617 00:39:38,506 --> 00:39:40,724 We drive out into the dunes, 618 00:39:40,725 --> 00:39:44,945 accompanied by Massachusetts State Police. 619 00:39:44,946 --> 00:39:47,687 I rode in the back seat with Hadden Clark, 620 00:39:47,688 --> 00:39:51,952 and it was the creepiest day of my life 621 00:39:51,953 --> 00:39:55,304 sitting next to this known serial killer. 622 00:40:03,139 --> 00:40:07,013 He provided detail about how the area had changed. 623 00:40:09,929 --> 00:40:15,541 I found Clark's information to be very compelling. 624 00:40:15,542 --> 00:40:17,456 In working with Clark, 625 00:40:17,457 --> 00:40:20,111 you had to demonstrate a great deal of patience. 626 00:40:20,112 --> 00:40:26,247 It might take you an hour or more to get a yes or a no. 627 00:40:26,248 --> 00:40:30,730 He took us almost to what I would learn to be the location 628 00:40:30,731 --> 00:40:32,299 she was recovered. 629 00:40:34,344 --> 00:40:39,652 But he ultimately was unable to provide any evidence 630 00:40:39,653 --> 00:40:42,657 or any significant detail at all. 631 00:40:45,094 --> 00:40:49,575 I think he could manipulate us. 632 00:40:49,576 --> 00:40:50,924 He was out of jail for the day, 633 00:40:50,925 --> 00:40:54,885 got to see Provincetown and the dunes. 634 00:40:54,886 --> 00:40:57,409 As we worked through the details provided by Clark, 635 00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:59,716 we know some of that information 636 00:40:59,717 --> 00:41:02,936 was out there in the public venue. 637 00:41:02,937 --> 00:41:05,591 But I believe there's still a possibility Clark 638 00:41:05,592 --> 00:41:07,420 may have been responsible for it. 639 00:41:14,907 --> 00:41:17,429 It was disappointing. 640 00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:19,475 Back to square one again. 641 00:41:19,476 --> 00:41:23,304 At some point, it begins to wear you down, 642 00:41:23,305 --> 00:41:29,136 and you learn to be less hopeful after dead end after dead end. 643 00:41:29,137 --> 00:41:31,313 You're looking for the next lead. 644 00:41:52,118 --> 00:41:56,337 All my life I've always wondered who my mom was. 645 00:41:56,338 --> 00:41:58,252 When I was old enough to understand, 646 00:41:58,253 --> 00:42:02,430 my parents sat me down and explained I was adopted. 647 00:42:02,431 --> 00:42:03,693 Oh, thank you. 648 00:42:03,694 --> 00:42:06,522 He was always in search of his mom. 649 00:42:06,523 --> 00:42:13,006 This was so hard on his heart and his mind. 650 00:42:13,007 --> 00:42:15,487 I started thinking. 651 00:42:15,488 --> 00:42:18,969 You know, maybe I should figure out who she is. 652 00:42:18,970 --> 00:42:21,014 I said, "But it could be a Pandora's box. 653 00:42:21,015 --> 00:42:26,019 It could open up so many things that you're not ready for. 654 00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:28,500 With every positive, there's also negatives. 655 00:42:28,501 --> 00:42:30,589 So you just got to be ready for all that 656 00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:32,854 when that box gets opened." 52756

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