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# You're simply the best
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# Better than all the rest
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# Better than anyone
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# Anyone I ever met
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# I'm stuck on your heart... #
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She was born Anna Mae Bullock,
79 years ago in Nutbush, Tennessee,
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where she sang in church choirs
and dreamed of being a nurse.
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Instead, she became Tina Turner,
one of the most successful
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and best-loved performers
of all time.
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Her story is well documented,
a tale of triumph over adversity,
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perfect for both a Hollywood biopic
and a hit musical,
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with incredible highs balanced by
violence, personal tragedy,
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and illness.
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# I could be in no better place
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# You're simply the best
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# Better then all the rest... #
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Now Tina's bringing
that tale right up to date,
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sharing with fans a story of
how it all began
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and where she finds herself now.
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My life changed.
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I had sicknesses, and I moved
from America to Switzerland,
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and retirement set in,
and things changed.
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I met Tina recently at a hotel
near her home in Switzerland,
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to talk about her new autobiography,
called My Love Story.
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We started off with a discussion
of the early years and Ike Turner,
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who left Tina in a trance
when she first saw him performing
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in a St Louis nightclub in 1958.
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She went from being one of Ike's
backing singers, to lead singer,
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to wife, but the relationship
that set Tina on the path to stardom
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also nearly destroyed her.
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Till The Right Man Comes Along
by Tina Turner
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The creative partnership
that was you and Ike, I mean,
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how influential was he on
what you eventually became?
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Ike decided what songs
were to be sung onstage,
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but I did the choreography
with the dancers.
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I organised the dresses
for the dancers and myself.
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I had no say other than that.
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Ike was trying to get me
then to write songs,
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which was very uncomfortable
for me because that takes
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another training, to write songs.
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And so it stayed like that
for quite a while.
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I did my best with the clothes
and with the dancing, but then,
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you know, that gets
a little bit old.
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And then he went on to trying to
get me to write the songs
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and all of that.
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It just went from one thing
to the next. Yeah.
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Actually, the first song was
A Fool in Love, was the first hit,
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and it was written for a male
singer, Art Lassiter, that was
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singing with the band at the time.
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And so I said to Ike,
like in the musical,
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"I know the song. I can sing it."
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So he said, "OK, just do the demo",
because he had paid for the studio,
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and there was no-one to sing it.
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So when I did it... did the song,
recorded the song... he took it
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to New York, to Juggy Murray,
Sue Records, and he said,
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"Well, why not keep it with
the girl's voice, Ike?
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"I like the female voice."
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And Ike thought "Ah", I'm sure.
"Good idea."
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Then I'll become Ike, and I think
that was how that came about.
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A Fool in Love
by Ike and Tina Turner
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# Am I a fool
for being in love?
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# I want to know
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# Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!
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# What does it take
to understand this man?
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# Sure enough, I...
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# I know I love him,
and I don't know why
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# Tell me!
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# Why every time he leaves me
I break down and cry
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# Listen... #
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And did he get a performance
out of you
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you didn't know you had in you?
Was he helpful, in that regard?
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No, I heard Art sing it,
I knew how it was sung.
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I was there.
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And it was, like, how do you say it?
A way of life.
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The singers around, and everyone,
Ike, was constantly always trying to
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get a hit record,
always trying to get...
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But he wanted to be apart.
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Ike couldn't sing.
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He could do it with the music,
make the songwriting,
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but to do a performance,
to try to perform,
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he couldn't. Yeah.
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No, so he created you.
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Yes. He created Tina Turner.
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Yes, yes. Yeah.
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So you were like his muse.
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I was. I was his muse.
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Yeah.
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And that was when he went
to New York for...
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...to get the record deal,
and he came back and he says,
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"Here's the record."
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I said, "Who is Ike and Tina...?"
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He says, "You're Tina."
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And I didn't know...
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And you were Anna Mae at the time?
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I'm Anna Mae, little Anna Mae...
anything but Tina.
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That was really foreign, and then...
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But in those days,
you didn't talk back.
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So then I realised,
"OK, so I'm Tina."
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Very hard to say that for
a long time, but I became Tina.
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# I know it's gonna work out fine
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# Everybody!
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# I keep a-tellin' ya
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# And I can feel it... #
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Just a year after that debut single,
Ike and Tina were nominated
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for a Grammy Award for the song
It's Gonna Work Out Fine.
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The title couldn't have been
further from the truth.
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And then a little later,
you got married to Ike.
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And just tell me about the wedding
night, because it's unconventional.
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Very.
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The story is that when Ike
was very young in Mississippi,
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he had married a girl,
and he'd never divorced her.
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So when River Deep, Mountain High
became a hit,
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Ike was afraid that
she would come for money. Ah.
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So he asked me to marry, me, so that
he wouldn't have to give her money.
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He paid her off, and then that was
it, and the song became huge,
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and then I became married.
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And then what happened on
the wedding night?
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It was really... oh, oh, oh!
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Yeah, that was really bad.
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When he asked,
"Do you want to marry me?",
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I remember when I answered, "Yeah."
You don't ask...
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you're not even asked... you don't
ask someone to marry you
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in that way, but of course
it was a control...
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He was a control freak.
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So I got dressed. I knew I didn't
want to marry... I just didn't.
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And then we went to Tijuana.
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Dusty roads.
Oh, it was really bad then.
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And we went into this area...
I'm sure Ike found it.
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It was a lot of dirt.
It wasn't clean.
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And I was raised a different way
from how Ike was. Ike was...
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I have to say,
I think that he was...
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You might have another word.
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Ike was crooked, from day one
to day two, to the end of one day...
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Everything he did was conniving,
and I was different.
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I thought the wedding...
I was fairy tale-ish...
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I thought, you know, someone would
ask you to marry,
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and you'd wear the white dress.
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And this was my wedding.
A piece of paper pushed across,
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and we signed, and after that,
we went to a brothel
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and watched sex.
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It was really...
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That's even hard
to really think about.
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So, as far as I was concerned,
nothing had changed.
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I was still with Ike.
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I wasn't married, as far as I was
concerned... my thinking.
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I was the same, what I was to him,
which was...
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He knew already that
I no longer cared about him
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and was paranoid about me leaving.
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He had already sensed
that I was thinking of leaving.
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Hmm.
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So that was the beginning
of the end. Yeah.
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The beginning of...
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...that violence,
and how evil he was.
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It was every day, every moment.
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Every now and then, it was some fun.
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Sometimes it was,
but I don't remember what it was,
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but I remember there were days
that were lighter and nicer.
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But, mostly, he was just a really...
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Always angry with me.
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He treated me...
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...like I was a prisoner
and he was the guard.
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Right, right.
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It was always like that.
Terrifying.
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# A prisoner of your love
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# Entangled in your web
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# Hot whispers in the night
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# I'm captured by your spell
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# Oh, yes, I'm touched by
this show of emotion
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# Should I be fractured by
your lack of devotion?
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# Should I?
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# Should I?
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# You better be good to me
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# That's how it's gotta be now
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# Cos I don't have no use
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# For what you loosely call
the truth
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# And you better be good to me
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# Come on
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# Come on, be good to me
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# I think it's also right
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# That we don't need to fight
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# We stand face-to-face
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# And you present your case
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# Yes, I know you keep telling me
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You say in the book, in 1968,
you tried to take your own life.
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Right.
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I was terribly unhappy,
extremely unhappy,
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continuously, day in, day out.
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I didn't have a way out.
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I didn't know that the way out
was through the door,
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but that didn't come at the time.
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I just thought... totally helpless.
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Yeah. And when I was really,
really, really fed up,
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that's when I just took a chance
and said, "Come what may", and left.
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I was just really tired of my life
and the situation I was in with Ike.
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And you took, what, 50 pills,
you said?
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You know, I didn't count them.
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I asked the doctor for
some medicine for something,
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and he said, "Well, you only
take these when you're..."
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Blah, blah, blah, blah...
whatever that was, he decided...
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and I remember I had
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gotten some pills for Ike because
from time to time he was sick.
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And so I think I made up some kind
of excuse to be able to get
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the medicine.
And I just took the pills,
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whooped them all down, and by the
time I got to the job, I was...
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This was a gig that night?
Yes. Right.
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And then the next thing you knew?
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I was... I was out. I was...
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They were trying
to revive me in the car.
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They got to the hospital,
and he said, "No, I can't...
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"I'm not getting anything."
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I was totally unconscious
from that many pills.
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And so they said to Ike...
this is what they said...
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they said to Ike,
"We're not getting anything."
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He said, "Well, let me talk to her."
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And so I don't know what Ike said,
but they said, "Keep talking,
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"we're getting a response."
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I think I was so fed up with that
life that I would've known his voice
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even in the unconscious state.
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I don't know what he said.
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But they brought me
back to consciousness,
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and the next day, when I woke up,
the nurses were saying,
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"Sing something for me."
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That was to get me functioning.
Right.
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And I sung
River Deep, Mountain High.
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# When I was a little girl... #
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Wow.
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And then, that evening,
I woke up and turned my head
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and there was Ike.
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I turned my head the other way.
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No way out.
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It was a no-win situation too,
that I didn't know how to leave,
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to leave and go to a friend...
I didn't have a friend.
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Actually, when I left,
I called a lawyer,
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a friend of ours that realised
the situation.
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And then he sent money,
and I flew back to California
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from Texas, went to
his house, and...
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So what changed between Tina Turner
in '68,
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who tried to take her own life
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because she was trapped
in this abusive relationship,
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and Tina Turner a few years later
who was able to go through the door?
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What was the difference
in that person?
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The mind changed, strength,
believing in myself,
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determination... determined
to get away from that,
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because that was no life.
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Either die, or move on
to whatever is next,
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and to believe that there
is something better.
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And to believe that there is help
for you, but you have to
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believe in yourself, deal with
whatever is thrown at you.
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And that meant no money,
no place to live, and so asking
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people if you can live with them,
if you can help them,
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until a time came where you had to
confront Ike, basically... Yes.
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...and that was then when
he found out that I was really
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determined to leave.
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And he sent the children and all of
that, and he got rolling then.
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# There's a pale moon in the sky
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# The kind you make your wishes on
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# Oh, like the light in your eyes
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# The one I built my dreams upon
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# It's not there any longer
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# Something happened somewhere
and we both know why
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# But me, I'm getting stronger
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# We must stop pretending
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# I can't live this life
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# I don't care who's wrong or right
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# I don't really want to fight
no more
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# Too much talking, babe
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# Let's sleep on it tonight
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# I don't really want to fight
no more
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# This is time for letting go. #
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These things, though,
they're insidious,
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because it starts off
that he's a gateway into...
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Yes... finding your talent,
and he helps you find your talent,
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and the abuse only creeps in,
slowly but surely...
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Slowly but surely, control.
...and then it's embedded. Yeah.
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But I want to go back to
that question of you,
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now an experienced person who has
seen and heard all these things.
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At what point, if you were advising
young Tina, should you have said
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to Ike, "I'm not having it"?
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Well, first of all,
she would have had to manage a way
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to leave because of his violence...
Yeah.
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...which I did try... to leave,
a couple of times, that wasn't
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written in the books.
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And the first time was
when I had the experience
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of being whipped with a wire hanger.
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Wow. And then another time
was something else,
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and I realised,
"Well, you don't go back."
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The experience is once you leave,
don't go back.
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River Deep, Mountain High
by Ike and Tina Turner
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Someone who had spotted Tina's
problems with Ike before she left
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was the legendary producer
Phil Spector,
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creator of the famous
"Wall of Sound".
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Aware of Ike's controlling
behaviour, Spector actually paid him
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to stay away from the recording
sessions for what would become
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one of Tina's most enduring hits,
River Deep, Mountain High.
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# Oh, how I love you, baby,
baby, baby, baby... #
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I mean, Phil Spector, as we now
know, is a fairly strange character,
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but what could he do for you,
as a producer?
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What Tina Turner did he find?
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He wanted me to sing, not deliver.
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Ike had me singing... more of
a gospel way...
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"When I was a little girl,
I had a rag doll..."
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The melody of that song was...
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# When I was a little girl... #
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Da-do, da-do...
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And the production...
the real production of that song...
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was what Phil wanted.
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And so when I went to actually
audition with Phil, he said,
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"No, no, no. Just the melody."
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And he would "Dum, dum, dum"
with the piano.
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And then I thought,
"Oh, well, that's easy."
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You know, I can sing anything
if you tell me how to sing it.
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Give me the melody,
which is what I said to Ike often,
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but Ike didn't know himself.
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That's why he wanted me to do it,
and I wasn't that person,
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so the relationship became worse.
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Yes, but with Phil Spector,
it worked?
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It worked because
I did exactly as I was told.
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And, "You know?" "No, I don't
know, you know"... it was simple,
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until the day of the studio when
the room was full of all kinds of
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musicians, that Wall of Sound...
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The famous Wall of Sound.
That famous Wall of Sound.
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How you get that is with
the instrument here,
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and another kind of instrument,
and four or five instruments...
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the room was full of an orchestra!
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And never before... you'd never
seen anything like that?
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Never. Never.
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And when that da-dum, da-dum,
dum, dum... I chill now.
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I mean, it was... It was
another feeling to sing to that.
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# When I was a little... #
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You know, really to sing
into that "da-dum, da-dum..."
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I saw exactly what
Phil was producing.
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And you're not just a singer in that
context... you're an instrument,
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aren't you? That's right.
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Yeah. Yeah, actually, yes.
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You know, he's just
playing you like...
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It was totally two
different ways of singing.
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# And it gets stronger in every way
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# And it gets deeper, baby,
let me say
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# And it gets higher day by day... #
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Tina finally divorced Ike in 1978.
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She initially struggled to make
an impact as a solo artist,
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releasing two albums
that failed to chart at all.
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But regular touring meant
she still had a reputation
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as one of the most exciting
live performers around.
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And she was frequently invited
to perform alongside some of
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the biggest names of the day.
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# Is it you again,
comin' back for more?
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# Oh, yeah
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# You can love me tonight
if you want
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# But in the morning
you had better get goin'
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# I'm talkin' to you
Hot legs, you're wearin' me out
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# Hot legs,
make me scream and shout
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# Hot legs, are you back at school?
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# I love you, honey... #
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Tina's return to the charts
came in 1983,
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thanks to an unlikely intervention
from the UK
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and the '80s electro band Heaven 17.
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Two members of the band, Martyn Ware
and Craig Marsh, invited Tina
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over to London to sing a version
of the Temptations song,
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Ball of Confusion.
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When the song became a hit
in Norway, Capitol Records
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was impressed enough
to ask for another '70s cover song,
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and the result was
Tina's big comeback single,
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her version of Al Green's classic,
Let's Stay Together.
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# Let's, let's stay together
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# Loving you whether, whether
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# Times are good or bad,
happy or sad... #
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Let's Stay Together reawakened
interest in Tina's career,
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and introduced her to a whole
new generation of fans who hadn't
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been around in the '60s.
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With the follow-up single,
What's Love Got to Do With It,
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and the smash hit album
Private Dancer,
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the comeback became a coronation.
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Tina suddenly found herself
one of the best-selling artists
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of the decade, a bigger star
than she'd ever been at home
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in America, and especially popular
in the countries across Europe.
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# What's love got to do,
got to do with it?
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# What's love but
a second-hand emotion?
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# What's love got to do,
got to do with it?
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# Who needs a heart
when a heart can be broken? #
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I was always treated a little bit
different in those other countries
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than in America, because in America,
a black singer, R&B singer,
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is always a black singer,
R&B singer.
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That is what I was in America.
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They saw me as an R&B singer,
and that's why
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River Deep, Mountain High was not
pop enough to be pop in America
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and not black enough to be black,
so it didn't have a home.
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So that was the story there.
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And why I felt so comfortable
leaving America was because everyone
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treated me not as a black person...
they treated me just as a star.
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As a rock star?
As a rock star.
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Yeah, in Britain,
in Holland, in Germany.
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All over.
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They welcomed me with open arms.
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And I felt really good and welcome.
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Yeah. But I had to work other areas,
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because America wasn't open arms
to me at first
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until I had a huge hit there,
which was Private Dancer.
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# I'm your private dancer,
a dancer for money
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# I'll do what you want me to do
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# I'm your private dancer,
a dancer for money
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# And any old music will do... #
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The song Private Dancer
was written by Mark Knopfler
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of Dire Straits, but given to Tina
because he felt the lyrics
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were better suited to a woman.
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And he wasn't the only rock star
whose work Tina interpreted.
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Bono gave you a song,
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and you couldn't find a melody
in that at all.
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Bono said... I mean,
when I received GoldenEye...
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This is for Bond?
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Yeah. I thought... He didn't make
a proper demo, he just...
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Someone just threw
the music together,
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and he had just written the song.
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And when Roger, my manager, said,
"Tina, this is a song...",
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he told me it was a big break, so
he said, "It's a little bit rough."
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And I thought, "What... how do
I put this together?"
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It wasn't showing me
what the melody was.
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And so, yeah, I would have to say
I created as close to what I thought
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the melody was of that.
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It was your melody, not Bono's?
It was my melody.
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Close enough that he gave me
a guideline, but not enough to sing,
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just to sing it.
I had to work really hard.
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And I remember I really closed
myself off... I had just moved here
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when that happened...
to really find...
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# Goldeneye, no time... #
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That part was clear. Right.
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But the verses, there was no guide.
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He said, and I remember when
he said, "I should have known."
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I don't know what he should've
known, except he should've written
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the song, actually! But it was...
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He was very pleased
with the outcome of it.
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He was in the studio when
the song was being recorded and,
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yeah, that was another feat.
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That was hard.
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Yeah, I knew then that I had talent
to sing anything put before me.
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You could make it live.
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00:23:19,461 --> 00:23:22,460
I could make it work. Yeah.
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# See reflections on the water
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# More than darkness in the depths
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# See him surface in every shadow
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# On the wind, I feel his breath
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# Goldeneye, I found his weakness
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# Goldeneye, he'll do what I please
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00:23:48,739 --> 00:23:53,099
# Goldeneye, no time for sweetness
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# But a bitter kiss
will bring him to his knees
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# You'll never know how I watched
you from the shadows as a child
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# You'll never know how it feels to
be the one who's left behind... #
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It was in the mid-80s,
when her career was at its peak,
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in music and in Hollywood, that
Tina first encountered Erwin Bach,
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the man who has been her partner
for over 30 years,
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her husband since 2013,
and who has nursed her through
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several illnesses
and saved her life.
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Tina was 46 and one of the most
famous women on the planet
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at the time.
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Erwin was 16 years younger, a German
executive at her record label,
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and when they met,
Tina was instantly smitten.
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# Feel his presence
in the crowd... #
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What actually happened was...
Actually, I was doing a promotion,
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and he came to take me to do the
promotion in Germany because I was
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coming from another country.
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And I just saw him
for the first time.
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It was love at first sight.
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And my body was reacting to that,
so I was saying to myself,
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"Oh, my God, I've met someone, you
know, after all this time and...
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"But he's young, and he's
good-looking," and all of that stuff
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was going on in the mind,
because when you work as hard
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as I was working at that time,
you just think of what's happening
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at the moment. Right.
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You know, another television show,
another aeroplane... The job.
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The job, yes, so that left me...
And I remember when I got
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in my room, I was just like...
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So something was real about it.
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Right. But because
you are so famous,
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do you worry about the other side?
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You know, do you think,
"Oh, does Erwin mean this?
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"Is he feeling the same thing?
477
00:25:46,380 --> 00:25:49,099
"Might he like me
for other reasons?"
478
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:53,759
No, because actually he wasn't
ready for a relationship.
479
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,829
I was older... first of all,
the record company doesn't allow
480
00:25:57,830 --> 00:26:01,900
their people that work for the
record company to get involved
481
00:26:01,901 --> 00:26:03,739
with the acts.
482
00:26:03,740 --> 00:26:07,420
And so I didn't know that,
but I just thought I was older.
483
00:26:07,421 --> 00:26:09,020
Sometimes I realised
that I was older.
484
00:26:09,021 --> 00:26:10,299
You're 16 years older?
485
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:14,660
I was 16 years older, yeah,
at the time, but I didn't feel...
486
00:26:14,661 --> 00:26:16,219
I didn't think about age.
487
00:26:16,220 --> 00:26:20,660
I just thought about... "Oh, he
really strikes me some kind of way."
488
00:26:20,661 --> 00:26:22,299
Yeah, a beauty?
489
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:24,299
A real hunk,
as they call it in America.
490
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:27,460
No, he was special, and he wasn't
interested in me at all.
491
00:26:27,461 --> 00:26:30,780
He was just a record company
executive.
492
00:26:30,781 --> 00:26:34,100
# Me and my baby
was just getting right
493
00:26:34,101 --> 00:26:38,060
# All systems on overload
494
00:26:39,340 --> 00:26:42,900
# Radio blasting in the front seat
495
00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:46,100
# Turning out the music fine
496
00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:52,420
# And we were snuggled up
in the backseat
497
00:26:52,421 --> 00:26:56,820
# Making up for lost time
498
00:26:56,821 --> 00:27:00,420
# Steamy windows
499
00:27:00,421 --> 00:27:03,740
# Zero visibility
500
00:27:03,741 --> 00:27:07,060
# Steamy windows
501
00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:10,820
# Coming from the body heat
502
00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:21,620
# You can wine and dine
with a man all night
503
00:27:21,621 --> 00:27:23,500
# With good intent
504
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:30,540
# But there is something about
a confrontation on a back road
505
00:27:30,541 --> 00:27:33,140
# Breaks down the defence
506
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:38,419
# Steamy windows
507
00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:41,279
# Zero visibility
508
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,140
# Steamy windows
509
00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:48,740
# Coming from the body heat. #
510
00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:55,420
To spin forward, a couple of
decades, and you're getting married.
511
00:27:55,421 --> 00:27:57,019
Beautiful wedding.
512
00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:59,740
Starts actually in this hotel,
and you go back to your house
513
00:27:59,741 --> 00:28:01,939
in Lake Zurich, not far from here,
514
00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:04,739
and then a series
of revelations happen.
515
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:07,540
You feel a bit weird
on your wedding day.
516
00:28:07,541 --> 00:28:09,059
A bit tired.
517
00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:12,980
I have an old pain... which they
still haven't found out what it is...
518
00:28:12,981 --> 00:28:14,339
in my chest.
519
00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:17,940
I think what it is, it's...
520
00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:25,780
...a cramp, the same one you get
from the fingers and the toes
521
00:28:25,781 --> 00:28:26,819
and the muscle.
522
00:28:26,820 --> 00:28:28,899
And then you had a stroke.
523
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,660
Yeah, it was a stroke
that came, because...
524
00:28:31,661 --> 00:28:34,339
And, actually, why...
525
00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:38,319
The stroke was why?
I don't know why the stroke was.
526
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,299
I think I had overdone something,
some kind of way,
527
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:47,780
but I went to hospital to find out
what this cramping sensation was,
528
00:28:47,781 --> 00:28:52,820
and they put me on the table
for an MRI, we called it,
529
00:28:52,821 --> 00:28:55,259
and they said the blood pressure
went up.
530
00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:57,620
And I said "Oh, it's always up,"
you know, because I always
531
00:28:57,621 --> 00:28:59,459
had high blood pressure.
532
00:28:59,460 --> 00:29:03,140
And I think that's what caused it,
because afterwards I felt not good.
533
00:29:03,141 --> 00:29:05,800
After the treatment, they were
trying to check me, saying,
534
00:29:05,801 --> 00:29:08,459
"I don't see anything except
the blood pressure went up."
535
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:12,899
Yeah. And after that, I went
on the honeymoon, didn't come back.
536
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:17,340
After that, we came back and
we were going to go to another trip,
537
00:29:17,341 --> 00:29:19,899
one of those other trips
with a group of friends,
538
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:26,259
and I woke up and I said to Erwin,
"I can't go, I can't talk."
539
00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:29,460
Erwin called the doctor and he said,
"Bring her in, give her an aspirin,
540
00:29:29,461 --> 00:29:30,960
"and we'll see."
541
00:29:30,961 --> 00:29:32,459
How scared were you?
542
00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:35,140
Not scared at all.
I just wondered why I couldn't talk.
543
00:29:35,141 --> 00:29:36,699
Oh, right.
544
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:39,459
I just thought it would've
come back, something, you know.
545
00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:42,220
So he took me in, immediately
they took me in, and say,
546
00:29:42,221 --> 00:29:45,059
"It's a mild stroke
from the back of the head,"
547
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:47,460
and then they took me down
in the room and I didn't believe it,
548
00:29:47,461 --> 00:29:49,100
and I said, "Oh, stroke, whatever."
549
00:29:49,101 --> 00:29:50,179
Like that.
550
00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:51,700
They left the room.
551
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:55,219
Blop! I hit the floor.
552
00:29:55,220 --> 00:29:56,660
The whole right side was gone.
553
00:29:56,661 --> 00:29:57,699
Oh, wow.
554
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:59,659
And I thought, "What have I done?
555
00:29:59,660 --> 00:30:03,139
"I really have had something,
because I can't move."
556
00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:06,619
It took me what really seemed
like an hour to get up,
557
00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:10,620
because then I learned how to get
up, when you're down, and not
558
00:30:10,621 --> 00:30:11,819
holding on to something.
559
00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:14,939
So then when I got up,
I sat in the chair,
560
00:30:14,940 --> 00:30:19,619
and I thought, "Well,
until I learn what this is,
561
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:23,179
"this stroke that they say
I have... obviously I do..."
562
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:27,060
And then they started the therapy
of writing with the right hand.
563
00:30:27,061 --> 00:30:28,379
All of that was gone.
564
00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:29,740
So all the right side was gone?
565
00:30:29,741 --> 00:30:30,859
The whole right side,
566
00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:33,140
but the talking was better
than in the morning,
567
00:30:33,141 --> 00:30:34,680
when I...
568
00:30:34,681 --> 00:30:36,219
That went.
569
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:40,299
But then I had to force,
will myself to walk,
570
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:44,540
to make the leg walk,
not... like that. Yeah, yeah.
571
00:30:44,541 --> 00:30:48,260
So then I forced...
used all of my willpower.
572
00:30:48,261 --> 00:30:50,819
I wanted to get back like I was.
573
00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:54,460
I didn't believe, you know,
I thought I was the ultimate person
574
00:30:54,461 --> 00:30:55,859
to fix things. Right.
575
00:30:55,860 --> 00:30:58,260
So they said, "Well, how you do
that, don't give into it.
576
00:30:58,261 --> 00:30:59,739
"It'll come back."
577
00:30:59,740 --> 00:31:02,100
It was a mild stroke,
it wasn't a heavy one.
578
00:31:02,101 --> 00:31:03,900
And you were 73 at the time?
579
00:31:03,901 --> 00:31:04,979
At the time, yes.
580
00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:07,739
And did it affect
your singing at all?
581
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,859
Well, I had... Obviously when
you couldn't speak, but once
582
00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:12,060
your speech came back, did your...
Was your voice still there?
583
00:31:12,061 --> 00:31:13,939
You know, actually, I had retired.
584
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:16,140
I haven't actually
tried to sing since,
585
00:31:16,141 --> 00:31:17,539
but I'm sure I can.
586
00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:19,979
Ah... yes, it's still there.
587
00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:23,460
No, I think I can still sing,
but it does affect the singing,
588
00:31:23,461 --> 00:31:24,459
doesn't it?
589
00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:26,299
I would've thought, yeah.
590
00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:28,460
I would've thought.
I'll have to check that.
591
00:31:28,461 --> 00:31:31,019
Tina, I've never been able to sing.
592
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:33,980
I was going to ask you next...
can you sing?
593
00:31:33,981 --> 00:31:35,219
No, I think I can sing.
594
00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:39,260
The talking is the same except
I think I don't talk quite as quick.
595
00:31:39,261 --> 00:31:40,899
Right, OK. I spoke quite quickly.
596
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,260
And you can't sign, you say...
you can't autograph now?
597
00:31:43,261 --> 00:31:45,180
Yeah, the handwriting
became better.
598
00:31:45,181 --> 00:31:46,379
I can walk.
599
00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:49,179
Sometimes I feel
something on that side.
600
00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:52,380
You might notice the face
is a bit fuller on that side.
601
00:31:52,381 --> 00:31:55,340
It's where it affected,
mostly this side.
602
00:31:55,341 --> 00:31:56,900
So the face became bigger.
603
00:31:56,901 --> 00:31:58,179
The handwriting...
604
00:31:58,180 --> 00:31:59,499
I corrected all of that.
605
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,139
So, with a little make-up,
you don't notice the face change.
606
00:32:02,140 --> 00:32:04,780
Right. You're supposed to say,
"Yes, Tina, you're right."
607
00:32:04,781 --> 00:32:06,880
You don't! You look fantastic.
608
00:32:06,881 --> 00:32:08,979
What can I tell you? Honestly.
609
00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:10,899
But that's the beginning
of this story.
610
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:13,059
That was the beginning
of this story.
611
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:15,219
So it starts with
this high, high moment.
612
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:17,419
You're in love with this man,
you couldn't believe
613
00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:20,620
it's happened to you, you get
married, you're in your early 70s,
614
00:32:20,621 --> 00:32:23,499
you've stopped showbiz,
you've retired,
615
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:27,340
you're about to enjoy yourself,
you have a stroke, and then...
616
00:32:27,341 --> 00:32:31,380
So then they said,
"Only one of your kidneys
617
00:32:31,381 --> 00:32:35,419
"are functioning," so I said,
"So what happens?"
618
00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:40,500
He said, "If you don't maintain,
if you don't do what we recommend,
619
00:32:40,501 --> 00:32:43,859
"you will probably die."
620
00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:49,700
So I said, "Well, if it's time." You
know, I felt like... I'm late 70s,
621
00:32:49,701 --> 00:32:52,740
my mother died at 84,
my sister died at 74.
622
00:32:52,741 --> 00:32:55,259
I thought maybe this was my time.
623
00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:58,079
So he said, "No, no, no, no.
We can do something about it."
624
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,900
He said, "There's a machine
downstairs. I said, "Oh, no,
625
00:33:00,901 --> 00:33:02,180
"I'm not living on a machine!"
626
00:33:02,181 --> 00:33:03,499
Dialysis, right?
627
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,940
So we went downstairs... yes,
and there was this machine
628
00:33:05,941 --> 00:33:08,779
standing there, and I realised
that I had to...
629
00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:12,980
I would have to use this machine,
if I decided to live.
630
00:33:12,981 --> 00:33:15,300
And I said, "Oh, no,
I'm not living on a machine.
631
00:33:15,301 --> 00:33:17,940
"That's not a quality of life."
632
00:33:17,941 --> 00:33:20,579
They said, "No, no, no, no, no.
633
00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:24,060
"What it will do is provide you
with a cleanser for the body
634
00:33:24,061 --> 00:33:26,059
"until we find a kidney for you."
635
00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:28,660
Erwin said to the doctors,
"Can I give her one of mine?"
636
00:33:28,661 --> 00:33:31,019
Something similar to this...
I wasn't there.
637
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:34,259
And then he found out
that he doesn't need two kidneys,
638
00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:37,860
so then he came to me and said,
"Tina, you don't have to make
639
00:33:37,861 --> 00:33:42,459
"this decision now. I can
give you one of my kidneys."
640
00:33:42,460 --> 00:33:46,740
And I said, "Oh, Erwin, you're
young, I'm already older. It's OK.
641
00:33:46,741 --> 00:33:49,460
"You just get used to me
not being here."
642
00:33:49,461 --> 00:33:51,099
Oh, no, he didn't want that.
643
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:55,239
So then he talked me into him
taking on one kidney.
644
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,379
So I said, "Well, no,
I have to talk to the doctors,"
645
00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:03,180
and then I talked to them about
Erwin and what will happen to him,
646
00:34:03,181 --> 00:34:06,059
because he was still quite young.
647
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:10,559
And I did feel like I was older,
I was already in my 70s.
648
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,060
So why should I take the kidneys
from a young man and let him
649
00:34:15,061 --> 00:34:16,259
finish his life?
650
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:17,899
That's what I felt like.
651
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:21,060
And he said, "No, no, no,
my life is fine how it is.
652
00:34:21,061 --> 00:34:23,380
"I'll give you one of my kidneys."
And so...
653
00:34:23,381 --> 00:34:29,540
# Two people living
on the edge of life
654
00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:40,700
# Are people running out of dreams
and time
655
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:48,399
# I can hear it when you tell me so
656
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,449
# I can feel it, but I can't let go
657
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:58,499
# Two people gotta stick together
658
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:04,700
# And love one another,
save it for a rainy day
659
00:35:04,701 --> 00:35:09,139
# Some people gotta stay whatever
660
00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:15,940
# And give one another shelter
on a rainy day
661
00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:26,860
# Two people living in the way
we do... #
662
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:35,300
The operation was a success,
allowing Tina to focus
663
00:35:35,301 --> 00:35:38,899
on enjoying her marriage
and her retirement.
664
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:42,620
But after years of stability,
2018 saw her having to deal
665
00:35:42,621 --> 00:35:45,379
with a parent's worst nightmare.
666
00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:49,180
On July the 3rd, her eldest son
Craig took his own life
667
00:35:49,181 --> 00:35:50,820
at his home in California.
668
00:35:50,821 --> 00:35:52,619
He was 59 years old.
669
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:56,420
Two weeks later, Tina scattered
Craig's ashes and a single red rose
670
00:35:56,421 --> 00:35:58,860
at sea, off the California coast.
671
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:05,579
It's very hard to talk about.
672
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:12,900
I still don't know what took him
to the edge, because I have no idea
673
00:36:12,901 --> 00:36:16,860
what pulled him down except
something that followed him
674
00:36:16,861 --> 00:36:18,699
with loneliness.
675
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:21,499
I think it was something
with being alone,
676
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,259
but he was an introverted person.
He was very shy.
677
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:30,260
So I didn't know either, except now
when I listen back to our last
678
00:36:30,261 --> 00:36:33,260
conversations, I notice
a change in his "Hi, dear!"
679
00:36:33,261 --> 00:36:36,260
And I said, "Oh, nobody calls
their mother 'dear'."
680
00:36:36,261 --> 00:36:37,939
You know, whenever he called me.
681
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:41,739
And the last few times we talked,
he talked, the conversation
682
00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:45,540
was different. And I didn't know
that until after the suicide.
683
00:36:45,541 --> 00:36:47,720
In what way was it different?
684
00:36:47,721 --> 00:36:49,899
No "dear", no "Hi, dear."
685
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:53,060
You know, "I just want to hear
your voice and that laugh of yours."
686
00:36:53,061 --> 00:36:55,780
After the fact, I thought...
687
00:36:56,780 --> 00:36:58,179
..."Hear your voice?"
688
00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:01,340
He never said that,
and "that laugh of yours." Never.
689
00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:06,180
Just always talked about coming,
coming to see the musical.
690
00:37:06,181 --> 00:37:07,940
I sent him the book and all of that.
691
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:15,020
Everything was going good for Craig,
every time he called me.
692
00:37:15,021 --> 00:37:19,740
But that last, I would say,
the last two times
693
00:37:19,741 --> 00:37:24,459
that he talked to me,
it was no "Hi, dear," no...
694
00:37:24,460 --> 00:37:26,900
You can tell when the voice is up,
when the voice is down.
695
00:37:26,901 --> 00:37:30,540
Right. The voice was down,
as if he's just relaxed
696
00:37:30,541 --> 00:37:32,100
at his new apartment.
697
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:35,700
# When we were together
698
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:41,780
# Everything was so grand
699
00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:46,299
# Now that we've parted
700
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:49,379
# There's just one sound
701
00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:52,039
# That I just can't stand
702
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,700
# I can't stand the rain
703
00:37:54,701 --> 00:37:57,060
# Against my window
704
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:02,559
# Bringing back sweet memories
705
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,539
# I can't stand the rain... #
706
00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:09,259
She may seem the epitome
of the feisty all-American lady,
707
00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:12,979
but since the mid-1990s,
Tina's home has been Switzerland.
708
00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:16,660
She's now a fully-fledged European,
giving up her American citizenship
709
00:38:16,661 --> 00:38:20,340
and US passport five years ago
and swapping it for a Swiss one.
710
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:25,299
So you became a Swiss citizen,
711
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:27,859
relinquishing your
American citizenship.
712
00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:32,700
And here you are now, in 2018,
looking back at your old country,
713
00:38:32,701 --> 00:38:34,900
at America. What are you seeing?
714
00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:39,780
Difference. It's different than
when I was there.
715
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:45,340
My attitude about being there is
I had lived there the first 50 years
716
00:38:45,341 --> 00:38:50,500
of my life, and now I'm moving
to another country.
717
00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:56,420
Part of that was because of
my relationship with Erwin.
718
00:38:58,180 --> 00:39:04,220
I have to be careful because there's
a lot going on in America now.
719
00:39:04,221 --> 00:39:07,260
I'm happy I'm not there
because of what is going on.
720
00:39:07,261 --> 00:39:09,020
I like the change in my life.
721
00:39:09,021 --> 00:39:10,340
I like where I am.
722
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:14,419
America is still home.
723
00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:17,619
Two final and easy questions, Tina.
724
00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:22,980
One, out of your entire canon
of songs, which would you pick
725
00:39:22,981 --> 00:39:24,740
as the one you most
enjoy performing?
726
00:39:27,780 --> 00:39:29,139
My songs?
727
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:30,539
Because I always covered.
728
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:34,339
Any song you've ever performed,
the one.
729
00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:37,460
There were quite a few
that I loved that wasn't mine,
730
00:39:37,461 --> 00:39:41,059
because I was accustomed
to covering.
731
00:39:41,060 --> 00:39:45,420
And I heard Palmer, Robert Palmer's
Addicted To Love.
732
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,780
# The lights are on,
but you're not home
733
00:39:51,781 --> 00:39:55,539
# Your mind is not your own
734
00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:58,860
# Your body sweats, your body shakes
735
00:39:58,861 --> 00:40:03,179
# Another kiss is what it takes
736
00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:07,499
# You can't eat,
you can't sleep... #
737
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:11,340
And of course I changed it...
I changed everything that I covered.
738
00:40:11,341 --> 00:40:13,899
I like that one very much.
739
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,899
It still moves me
when I hear it today.
740
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:20,860
I played it a bit faster,
I changed some of the lines,
741
00:40:20,861 --> 00:40:22,459
but I made it my own.
742
00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:28,700
Addicted To Love, something was
right about it being my song.
743
00:40:28,701 --> 00:40:32,780
Addicted To Love was...
had a naughty edge to it.
744
00:40:32,781 --> 00:40:34,699
"The lights are on,
but you're not home."
745
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:38,820
It was... something was just very
right about it every time I sung it.
746
00:40:38,821 --> 00:40:41,780
Of course, I got faster and
faster, because the show was
747
00:40:41,781 --> 00:40:46,579
at an end, and I was tired,
748
00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:50,060
and it was just time
for the climax of the show.
749
00:40:50,061 --> 00:40:51,820
But I always enjoyed it.
750
00:40:51,821 --> 00:40:53,579
I always enjoyed it!
751
00:40:53,580 --> 00:40:56,100
And are you Anna Mae
or are you Tina Turner?
752
00:40:57,060 --> 00:40:58,659
Both.
753
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:00,339
How do I say both?
754
00:41:00,340 --> 00:41:03,179
Tina Turner is still on stage.
755
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:06,019
People still see me as Tina.
756
00:41:06,020 --> 00:41:12,020
I will always be Tina to them,
because they only see me on stage.
757
00:41:12,021 --> 00:41:14,859
They're not in my home
and in my private life.
758
00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:18,340
I think even the people
in my private life might see
759
00:41:18,341 --> 00:41:20,419
a little bit of Anna Mae.
760
00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:22,799
So Anna Mae is a quiet,
reclusive type?
761
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,180
A little bit.
Tina Turner is a show-woman.
762
00:41:25,181 --> 00:41:26,700
Less, less than the show-woman.
763
00:41:26,701 --> 00:41:28,220
Much less, I think. OK.
764
00:41:28,221 --> 00:41:29,740
You know what I'm proud of?
765
00:41:29,741 --> 00:41:31,019
Yes, go on.
766
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:35,940
That, at this age, there's still
something happening with a career.
767
00:41:35,941 --> 00:41:38,380
My music doesn't sound old-style.
768
00:41:38,381 --> 00:41:40,819
There's a musical that's a hit.
769
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:46,279
So, aside of being really tired
of talking about myself,
770
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,740
I'm really proud of what
my future as a star became.
771
00:41:51,741 --> 00:41:54,740
I feel proud that I hold that
in my hand.
772
00:41:54,741 --> 00:41:57,740
Tina Turner,
thank you very much indeed.
773
00:41:57,741 --> 00:42:00,620
Wonderful. Thank you.
774
00:42:00,621 --> 00:42:04,440
# You're simply the best
775
00:42:04,441 --> 00:42:08,260
# Better than all the rest
776
00:42:08,261 --> 00:42:12,840
# Better than anyone
777
00:42:12,841 --> 00:42:17,419
# Anyone I ever met
778
00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:21,979
# I'm stuck on your heart
779
00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:26,820
# I hang on every word you say
780
00:42:26,821 --> 00:42:29,460
# Tear us apart, no, no
781
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:35,100
# Baby, I would rather be dead
782
00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:42,119
# Each time you leave me,
I start losing control
783
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,980
# You're walking away
with my heart and my soul
784
00:42:46,981 --> 00:42:51,340
# I can feel you even when I'm alone
785
00:42:51,341 --> 00:42:56,020
# Oh, baby, don't let go
786
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:17,739
# You're the best
787
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:22,340
# Better than all the rest
788
00:43:22,341 --> 00:43:26,760
# Better than anyone
789
00:43:26,761 --> 00:43:31,179
# Anyone I ever met
790
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:35,699
# Ooh, I'm stuck on your heart
791
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:39,559
# I hang on every word you say
792
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,420
# Oh, tear us apart, no, no
793
00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:49,580
# Baby, I would rather be dead
794
00:43:49,581 --> 00:43:52,620
# Oh, you're the best. #
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