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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,829 # You're simply the best 2 00:00:05,830 --> 00:00:10,460 # Better than all the rest 3 00:00:10,461 --> 00:00:15,020 # Better than anyone 4 00:00:15,021 --> 00:00:19,579 # Anyone I ever met 5 00:00:19,580 --> 00:00:23,979 # I'm stuck on your heart... # 6 00:00:23,980 --> 00:00:28,380 She was born Anna Mae Bullock, 79 years ago in Nutbush, Tennessee, 7 00:00:28,381 --> 00:00:32,400 where she sang in church choirs and dreamed of being a nurse. 8 00:00:32,401 --> 00:00:36,420 Instead, she became Tina Turner, one of the most successful 9 00:00:36,421 --> 00:00:39,939 and best-loved performers of all time. 10 00:00:39,940 --> 00:00:44,220 Her story is well documented, a tale of triumph over adversity, 11 00:00:44,221 --> 00:00:47,739 perfect for both a Hollywood biopic and a hit musical, 12 00:00:47,740 --> 00:00:51,340 with incredible highs balanced by violence, personal tragedy, 13 00:00:51,341 --> 00:00:52,539 and illness. 14 00:00:52,540 --> 00:00:56,540 # I could be in no better place 15 00:00:56,541 --> 00:00:59,140 # You're simply the best 16 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:04,299 # Better then all the rest... # 17 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:06,639 Now Tina's bringing that tale right up to date, 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,980 sharing with fans a story of how it all began 19 00:01:08,981 --> 00:01:11,340 and where she finds herself now. 20 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:15,019 My life changed. 21 00:01:15,020 --> 00:01:20,340 I had sicknesses, and I moved from America to Switzerland, 22 00:01:20,341 --> 00:01:24,780 and retirement set in, and things changed. 23 00:01:28,180 --> 00:01:31,719 I met Tina recently at a hotel near her home in Switzerland, 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,259 to talk about her new autobiography, called My Love Story. 25 00:01:35,260 --> 00:01:39,100 We started off with a discussion of the early years and Ike Turner, 26 00:01:39,101 --> 00:01:41,860 who left Tina in a trance when she first saw him performing 27 00:01:41,861 --> 00:01:44,699 in a St Louis nightclub in 1958. 28 00:01:44,700 --> 00:01:48,619 She went from being one of Ike's backing singers, to lead singer, 29 00:01:48,620 --> 00:01:52,540 to wife, but the relationship that set Tina on the path to stardom 30 00:01:52,541 --> 00:01:54,259 also nearly destroyed her. 31 00:01:54,260 --> 00:01:56,940 Till The Right Man Comes Along by Tina Turner 32 00:01:59,460 --> 00:02:03,039 The creative partnership that was you and Ike, I mean, 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,620 how influential was he on what you eventually became? 34 00:02:06,621 --> 00:02:09,800 Ike decided what songs were to be sung onstage, 35 00:02:09,801 --> 00:02:12,979 but I did the choreography with the dancers. 36 00:02:12,980 --> 00:02:17,540 I organised the dresses for the dancers and myself. 37 00:02:17,541 --> 00:02:20,419 I had no say other than that. 38 00:02:20,420 --> 00:02:23,459 Ike was trying to get me then to write songs, 39 00:02:23,460 --> 00:02:27,100 which was very uncomfortable for me because that takes 40 00:02:27,101 --> 00:02:29,059 another training, to write songs. 41 00:02:29,060 --> 00:02:33,739 And so it stayed like that for quite a while. 42 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:37,780 I did my best with the clothes and with the dancing, but then, 43 00:02:37,781 --> 00:02:40,459 you know, that gets a little bit old. 44 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:43,980 And then he went on to trying to get me to write the songs 45 00:02:43,981 --> 00:02:45,099 and all of that. 46 00:02:45,100 --> 00:02:47,819 It just went from one thing to the next. Yeah. 47 00:02:47,820 --> 00:02:51,079 Actually, the first song was A Fool in Love, was the first hit, 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,340 and it was written for a male singer, Art Lassiter, that was 49 00:02:54,341 --> 00:02:56,339 singing with the band at the time. 50 00:02:56,340 --> 00:02:58,620 And so I said to Ike, like in the musical, 51 00:02:58,621 --> 00:03:00,619 "I know the song. I can sing it." 52 00:03:00,620 --> 00:03:04,020 So he said, "OK, just do the demo", because he had paid for the studio, 53 00:03:04,021 --> 00:03:06,099 and there was no-one to sing it. 54 00:03:06,100 --> 00:03:10,780 So when I did it... did the song, recorded the song... he took it 55 00:03:10,781 --> 00:03:14,300 to New York, to Juggy Murray, Sue Records, and he said, 56 00:03:14,301 --> 00:03:16,700 "Well, why not keep it with the girl's voice, Ike? 57 00:03:16,701 --> 00:03:18,859 "I like the female voice." 58 00:03:18,860 --> 00:03:23,059 And Ike thought "Ah", I'm sure. "Good idea." 59 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:27,940 Then I'll become Ike, and I think that was how that came about. 60 00:03:27,941 --> 00:03:29,660 A Fool in Love by Ike and Tina Turner 61 00:03:29,661 --> 00:03:32,140 # Am I a fool for being in love? 62 00:03:32,141 --> 00:03:34,819 # I want to know 63 00:03:34,820 --> 00:03:38,580 # Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! 64 00:03:40,460 --> 00:03:43,460 # What does it take to understand this man? 65 00:03:43,461 --> 00:03:44,859 # Sure enough, I... 66 00:03:44,860 --> 00:03:46,940 # I know I love him, and I don't know why 67 00:03:46,941 --> 00:03:48,019 # Tell me! 68 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:50,740 # Why every time he leaves me I break down and cry 69 00:03:50,741 --> 00:03:52,179 # Listen... # 70 00:03:52,180 --> 00:03:53,899 And did he get a performance out of you 71 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:56,900 you didn't know you had in you? Was he helpful, in that regard? 72 00:03:56,901 --> 00:04:00,740 No, I heard Art sing it, I knew how it was sung. 73 00:04:00,741 --> 00:04:02,059 I was there. 74 00:04:02,060 --> 00:04:05,539 And it was, like, how do you say it? A way of life. 75 00:04:05,540 --> 00:04:08,900 The singers around, and everyone, Ike, was constantly always trying to 76 00:04:08,901 --> 00:04:11,020 get a hit record, always trying to get... 77 00:04:11,021 --> 00:04:13,220 But he wanted to be apart. 78 00:04:13,221 --> 00:04:15,219 Ike couldn't sing. 79 00:04:15,220 --> 00:04:17,700 He could do it with the music, make the songwriting, 80 00:04:17,701 --> 00:04:20,660 but to do a performance, to try to perform, 81 00:04:20,661 --> 00:04:22,400 he couldn't. Yeah. 82 00:04:22,401 --> 00:04:24,139 No, so he created you. 83 00:04:24,140 --> 00:04:25,380 Yes. He created Tina Turner. 84 00:04:25,381 --> 00:04:26,579 Yes, yes. Yeah. 85 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:28,419 So you were like his muse. 86 00:04:28,420 --> 00:04:30,260 I was. I was his muse. 87 00:04:30,261 --> 00:04:31,379 Yeah. 88 00:04:31,380 --> 00:04:35,619 And that was when he went to New York for... 89 00:04:35,620 --> 00:04:38,780 ...to get the record deal, and he came back and he says, 90 00:04:38,781 --> 00:04:40,299 "Here's the record." 91 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:43,220 I said, "Who is Ike and Tina...?" 92 00:04:43,221 --> 00:04:45,140 He says, "You're Tina." 93 00:04:45,141 --> 00:04:47,059 And I didn't know... 94 00:04:47,060 --> 00:04:48,579 And you were Anna Mae at the time? 95 00:04:48,580 --> 00:04:51,140 I'm Anna Mae, little Anna Mae... anything but Tina. 96 00:04:51,141 --> 00:04:53,459 That was really foreign, and then... 97 00:04:53,460 --> 00:04:55,779 But in those days, you didn't talk back. 98 00:04:55,780 --> 00:04:58,099 So then I realised, "OK, so I'm Tina." 99 00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:02,420 Very hard to say that for a long time, but I became Tina. 100 00:05:02,421 --> 00:05:05,860 # I know it's gonna work out fine 101 00:05:05,861 --> 00:05:07,259 # Everybody! 102 00:05:07,260 --> 00:05:08,780 # I keep a-tellin' ya 103 00:05:11,140 --> 00:05:12,860 # And I can feel it... # 104 00:05:14,340 --> 00:05:17,380 Just a year after that debut single, Ike and Tina were nominated 105 00:05:17,381 --> 00:05:20,820 for a Grammy Award for the song It's Gonna Work Out Fine. 106 00:05:20,821 --> 00:05:23,500 The title couldn't have been further from the truth. 107 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:29,899 And then a little later, you got married to Ike. 108 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:33,580 And just tell me about the wedding night, because it's unconventional. 109 00:05:33,581 --> 00:05:35,419 Very. 110 00:05:35,420 --> 00:05:40,260 The story is that when Ike was very young in Mississippi, 111 00:05:40,261 --> 00:05:45,380 he had married a girl, and he'd never divorced her. 112 00:05:45,381 --> 00:05:49,360 So when River Deep, Mountain High became a hit, 113 00:05:49,361 --> 00:05:53,339 Ike was afraid that she would come for money. Ah. 114 00:05:53,340 --> 00:05:58,540 So he asked me to marry, me, so that he wouldn't have to give her money. 115 00:05:58,541 --> 00:06:02,020 He paid her off, and then that was it, and the song became huge, 116 00:06:02,021 --> 00:06:04,419 and then I became married. 117 00:06:04,420 --> 00:06:06,380 And then what happened on the wedding night? 118 00:06:06,381 --> 00:06:08,940 It was really... oh, oh, oh! 119 00:06:08,941 --> 00:06:11,499 Yeah, that was really bad. 120 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:13,579 When he asked, "Do you want to marry me?", 121 00:06:13,580 --> 00:06:17,339 I remember when I answered, "Yeah." You don't ask... 122 00:06:17,340 --> 00:06:21,020 you're not even asked... you don't ask someone to marry you 123 00:06:21,021 --> 00:06:23,900 in that way, but of course it was a control... 124 00:06:23,901 --> 00:06:25,739 He was a control freak. 125 00:06:25,740 --> 00:06:29,900 So I got dressed. I knew I didn't want to marry... I just didn't. 126 00:06:29,901 --> 00:06:32,939 And then we went to Tijuana. 127 00:06:32,940 --> 00:06:35,139 Dusty roads. Oh, it was really bad then. 128 00:06:35,140 --> 00:06:38,660 And we went into this area... I'm sure Ike found it. 129 00:06:38,661 --> 00:06:42,259 It was a lot of dirt. It wasn't clean. 130 00:06:42,260 --> 00:06:48,740 And I was raised a different way from how Ike was. Ike was... 131 00:06:48,741 --> 00:06:50,580 I have to say, I think that he was... 132 00:06:50,581 --> 00:06:51,939 You might have another word. 133 00:06:51,940 --> 00:06:57,060 Ike was crooked, from day one to day two, to the end of one day... 134 00:06:57,061 --> 00:07:00,700 Everything he did was conniving, and I was different. 135 00:07:00,701 --> 00:07:03,059 I thought the wedding... I was fairy tale-ish... 136 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:06,100 I thought, you know, someone would ask you to marry, 137 00:07:06,101 --> 00:07:08,059 and you'd wear the white dress. 138 00:07:08,060 --> 00:07:11,900 And this was my wedding. A piece of paper pushed across, 139 00:07:11,901 --> 00:07:15,740 and we signed, and after that, we went to a brothel 140 00:07:15,741 --> 00:07:17,260 and watched sex. 141 00:07:18,260 --> 00:07:19,699 It was really... 142 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:21,619 That's even hard to really think about. 143 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:25,020 So, as far as I was concerned, nothing had changed. 144 00:07:25,021 --> 00:07:26,939 I was still with Ike. 145 00:07:26,940 --> 00:07:30,900 I wasn't married, as far as I was concerned... my thinking. 146 00:07:30,901 --> 00:07:34,160 I was the same, what I was to him, which was... 147 00:07:34,161 --> 00:07:37,420 He knew already that I no longer cared about him 148 00:07:37,421 --> 00:07:41,139 and was paranoid about me leaving. 149 00:07:41,140 --> 00:07:43,940 He had already sensed that I was thinking of leaving. 150 00:07:43,941 --> 00:07:45,019 Hmm. 151 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:47,060 So that was the beginning of the end. Yeah. 152 00:07:47,061 --> 00:07:49,260 The beginning of... 153 00:07:50,380 --> 00:07:53,220 ...that violence, and how evil he was. 154 00:07:53,221 --> 00:07:55,819 It was every day, every moment. 155 00:07:55,820 --> 00:07:58,619 Every now and then, it was some fun. 156 00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:01,179 Sometimes it was, but I don't remember what it was, 157 00:08:01,180 --> 00:08:04,660 but I remember there were days that were lighter and nicer. 158 00:08:04,661 --> 00:08:08,420 But, mostly, he was just a really... 159 00:08:08,421 --> 00:08:09,980 Always angry with me. 160 00:08:09,981 --> 00:08:11,540 He treated me... 161 00:08:12,940 --> 00:08:15,900 ...like I was a prisoner and he was the guard. 162 00:08:15,901 --> 00:08:17,219 Right, right. 163 00:08:17,220 --> 00:08:19,700 It was always like that. Terrifying. 164 00:08:19,701 --> 00:08:23,240 # A prisoner of your love 165 00:08:23,241 --> 00:08:27,290 # Entangled in your web 166 00:08:27,291 --> 00:08:31,195 # Hot whispers in the night 167 00:08:31,196 --> 00:08:35,100 # I'm captured by your spell 168 00:08:37,820 --> 00:08:41,919 # Oh, yes, I'm touched by this show of emotion 169 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,020 # Should I be fractured by your lack of devotion? 170 00:08:46,021 --> 00:08:48,140 # Should I? 171 00:08:50,020 --> 00:08:53,059 # Should I? 172 00:08:53,060 --> 00:08:55,100 # You better be good to me 173 00:08:56,940 --> 00:08:59,660 # That's how it's gotta be now 174 00:09:01,380 --> 00:09:03,219 # Cos I don't have no use 175 00:09:03,220 --> 00:09:05,060 # For what you loosely call the truth 176 00:09:05,061 --> 00:09:07,540 # And you better be good to me 177 00:09:08,940 --> 00:09:10,699 # Come on 178 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:13,100 # Come on, be good to me 179 00:09:15,020 --> 00:09:17,100 # I think it's also right 180 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:21,820 # That we don't need to fight 181 00:09:21,821 --> 00:09:25,060 # We stand face-to-face 182 00:09:26,820 --> 00:09:29,499 # And you present your case 183 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:33,619 # Yes, I know you keep telling me that you love me... # 184 00:09:33,620 --> 00:09:37,580 You say in the book, in 1968, you tried to take your own life. 185 00:09:37,581 --> 00:09:39,179 Right. 186 00:09:39,180 --> 00:09:43,980 I was terribly unhappy, extremely unhappy, 187 00:09:43,981 --> 00:09:47,300 continuously, day in, day out. 188 00:09:47,301 --> 00:09:49,539 I didn't have a way out. 189 00:09:49,540 --> 00:09:53,420 I didn't know that the way out was through the door, 190 00:09:53,421 --> 00:09:55,420 but that didn't come at the time. 191 00:09:55,421 --> 00:09:57,419 I just thought... totally helpless. 192 00:09:57,420 --> 00:10:01,299 Yeah. And when I was really, really, really fed up, 193 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:05,599 that's when I just took a chance and said, "Come what may", and left. 194 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,900 I was just really tired of my life and the situation I was in with Ike. 195 00:10:09,901 --> 00:10:11,940 And you took, what, 50 pills, you said? 196 00:10:11,941 --> 00:10:13,219 You know, I didn't count them. 197 00:10:13,220 --> 00:10:15,579 I asked the doctor for some medicine for something, 198 00:10:15,580 --> 00:10:18,219 and he said, "Well, you only take these when you're..." 199 00:10:18,220 --> 00:10:20,860 Blah, blah, blah, blah... whatever that was, he decided... 200 00:10:20,861 --> 00:10:23,339 and I remember I had 201 00:10:23,340 --> 00:10:27,359 gotten some pills for Ike because from time to time he was sick. 202 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,380 And so I think I made up some kind of excuse to be able to get 203 00:10:31,381 --> 00:10:35,939 the medicine. And I just took the pills, 204 00:10:35,940 --> 00:10:40,260 whooped them all down, and by the time I got to the job, I was... 205 00:10:41,860 --> 00:10:44,780 This was a gig that night? Yes. Right. 206 00:10:44,781 --> 00:10:46,960 And then the next thing you knew? 207 00:10:46,961 --> 00:10:49,139 I was... I was out. I was... 208 00:10:49,140 --> 00:10:51,459 They were trying to revive me in the car. 209 00:10:51,460 --> 00:10:54,940 They got to the hospital, and he said, "No, I can't... 210 00:10:54,941 --> 00:10:56,779 "I'm not getting anything." 211 00:10:56,780 --> 00:10:59,479 I was totally unconscious from that many pills. 212 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,569 And so they said to Ike... this is what they said... 213 00:11:02,570 --> 00:11:05,660 they said to Ike, "We're not getting anything." 214 00:11:05,661 --> 00:11:07,739 He said, "Well, let me talk to her." 215 00:11:07,740 --> 00:11:10,940 And so I don't know what Ike said, but they said, "Keep talking, 216 00:11:10,941 --> 00:11:12,539 "we're getting a response." 217 00:11:12,540 --> 00:11:16,980 I think I was so fed up with that life that I would've known his voice 218 00:11:16,981 --> 00:11:18,400 even in the unconscious state. 219 00:11:18,401 --> 00:11:19,820 I don't know what he said. 220 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:24,739 But they brought me back to consciousness, 221 00:11:24,740 --> 00:11:27,700 and the next day, when I woke up, the nurses were saying, 222 00:11:27,701 --> 00:11:29,139 "Sing something for me." 223 00:11:29,140 --> 00:11:31,439 That was to get me functioning. Right. 224 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,740 And I sung River Deep, Mountain High. 225 00:11:33,741 --> 00:11:35,540 # When I was a little girl... # 226 00:11:35,541 --> 00:11:36,779 Wow. 227 00:11:36,780 --> 00:11:41,060 And then, that evening, I woke up and turned my head 228 00:11:41,061 --> 00:11:42,180 and there was Ike. 229 00:11:43,100 --> 00:11:45,300 I turned my head the other way. 230 00:11:45,301 --> 00:11:47,019 No way out. 231 00:11:47,020 --> 00:11:52,940 It was a no-win situation too, that I didn't know how to leave, 232 00:11:52,941 --> 00:11:55,620 to leave and go to a friend... I didn't have a friend. 233 00:11:55,621 --> 00:11:59,040 Actually, when I left, I called a lawyer, 234 00:11:59,041 --> 00:12:02,459 a friend of ours that realised the situation. 235 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:06,300 And then he sent money, and I flew back to California 236 00:12:06,301 --> 00:12:10,219 from Texas, went to his house, and... 237 00:12:10,220 --> 00:12:14,900 So what changed between Tina Turner in '68, 238 00:12:14,901 --> 00:12:16,299 who tried to take her own life 239 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:19,659 because she was trapped in this abusive relationship, 240 00:12:19,660 --> 00:12:23,100 and Tina Turner a few years later who was able to go through the door? 241 00:12:23,101 --> 00:12:25,019 What was the difference in that person? 242 00:12:25,020 --> 00:12:28,999 The mind changed, strength, believing in myself, 243 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,980 determination... determined to get away from that, 244 00:12:32,981 --> 00:12:34,419 because that was no life. 245 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:38,139 Either die, or move on to whatever is next, 246 00:12:38,140 --> 00:12:41,859 and to believe that there is something better. 247 00:12:41,860 --> 00:12:45,139 And to believe that there is help for you, but you have to 248 00:12:45,140 --> 00:12:49,359 believe in yourself, deal with whatever is thrown at you. 249 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,729 And that meant no money, no place to live, and so asking 250 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:56,099 people if you can live with them, if you can help them, 251 00:12:56,100 --> 00:13:01,780 until a time came where you had to confront Ike, basically... Yes. 252 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:05,140 ...and that was then when he found out that I was really 253 00:13:05,141 --> 00:13:06,779 determined to leave. 254 00:13:06,780 --> 00:13:10,900 And he sent the children and all of that, and he got rolling then. 255 00:13:10,901 --> 00:13:14,500 # There's a pale moon in the sky 256 00:13:14,501 --> 00:13:18,100 # The kind you make your wishes on 257 00:13:19,860 --> 00:13:24,119 # Oh, like the light in your eyes 258 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,380 # The one I built my dreams upon 259 00:13:30,260 --> 00:13:33,699 # It's not there any longer 260 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:39,220 # Something happened somewhere and we both know why 261 00:13:41,060 --> 00:13:44,260 # But me, I'm getting stronger 262 00:13:44,261 --> 00:13:47,220 # We must stop pretending 263 00:13:47,221 --> 00:13:50,180 # I can't live this life 264 00:13:52,940 --> 00:13:56,379 # I don't care who's wrong or right 265 00:13:56,380 --> 00:13:59,820 # I don't really want to fight no more 266 00:13:59,821 --> 00:14:02,920 # Too much talking, babe 267 00:14:02,921 --> 00:14:06,019 # Let's sleep on it tonight 268 00:14:06,020 --> 00:14:10,100 # I don't really want to fight no more 269 00:14:10,101 --> 00:14:14,140 # This is time for letting go. # 270 00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:17,499 These things, though, they're insidious, 271 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:20,299 because it starts off that he's a gateway into... 272 00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:23,540 Yes... finding your talent, and he helps you find your talent, 273 00:14:23,541 --> 00:14:26,379 and the abuse only creeps in, slowly but surely... 274 00:14:26,380 --> 00:14:29,620 Slowly but surely, control. ...and then it's embedded. Yeah. 275 00:14:29,621 --> 00:14:31,739 But I want to go back to that question of you, 276 00:14:31,740 --> 00:14:34,839 now an experienced person who has seen and heard all these things. 277 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,940 At what point, if you were advising young Tina, should you have said 278 00:14:37,941 --> 00:14:40,059 to Ike, "I'm not having it"? 279 00:14:40,060 --> 00:14:42,620 Well, first of all, she would have had to manage a way 280 00:14:42,621 --> 00:14:44,859 to leave because of his violence... Yeah. 281 00:14:44,860 --> 00:14:48,020 ...which I did try... to leave, a couple of times, that wasn't 282 00:14:48,021 --> 00:14:49,499 written in the books. 283 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:52,220 And the first time was when I had the experience 284 00:14:52,221 --> 00:14:54,459 of being whipped with a wire hanger. 285 00:14:54,460 --> 00:14:58,299 Wow. And then another time was something else, 286 00:14:58,300 --> 00:15:02,139 and I realised, "Well, you don't go back." 287 00:15:02,140 --> 00:15:05,019 The experience is once you leave, don't go back. 288 00:15:05,020 --> 00:15:07,900 River Deep, Mountain High by Ike and Tina Turner 289 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:13,620 Someone who had spotted Tina's problems with Ike before she left 290 00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:16,080 was the legendary producer Phil Spector, 291 00:15:16,081 --> 00:15:18,539 creator of the famous "Wall of Sound". 292 00:15:18,540 --> 00:15:21,819 Aware of Ike's controlling behaviour, Spector actually paid him 293 00:15:21,820 --> 00:15:25,319 to stay away from the recording sessions for what would become 294 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,820 one of Tina's most enduring hits, River Deep, Mountain High. 295 00:15:28,821 --> 00:15:34,139 # Oh, how I love you, baby, baby, baby, baby... # 296 00:15:34,140 --> 00:15:37,580 I mean, Phil Spector, as we now know, is a fairly strange character, 297 00:15:37,581 --> 00:15:39,500 but what could he do for you, as a producer? 298 00:15:39,501 --> 00:15:41,219 What Tina Turner did he find? 299 00:15:41,220 --> 00:15:44,499 He wanted me to sing, not deliver. 300 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:47,839 Ike had me singing... more of a gospel way... 301 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,180 "When I was a little girl, I had a rag doll..." 302 00:15:51,181 --> 00:15:53,180 The melody of that song was... 303 00:15:53,181 --> 00:15:55,180 # When I was a little girl... # 304 00:15:55,181 --> 00:15:56,859 Da-do, da-do... 305 00:15:56,860 --> 00:16:00,660 And the production... the real production of that song... 306 00:16:00,661 --> 00:16:02,099 was what Phil wanted. 307 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:07,500 And so when I went to actually audition with Phil, he said, 308 00:16:07,501 --> 00:16:09,779 "No, no, no. Just the melody." 309 00:16:09,780 --> 00:16:11,659 And he would "Dum, dum, dum" with the piano. 310 00:16:11,660 --> 00:16:13,539 And then I thought, "Oh, well, that's easy." 311 00:16:13,540 --> 00:16:17,300 You know, I can sing anything if you tell me how to sing it. 312 00:16:17,301 --> 00:16:20,100 Give me the melody, which is what I said to Ike often, 313 00:16:20,101 --> 00:16:22,099 but Ike didn't know himself. 314 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:25,500 That's why he wanted me to do it, and I wasn't that person, 315 00:16:25,501 --> 00:16:28,699 so the relationship became worse. 316 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:31,339 Yes, but with Phil Spector, it worked? 317 00:16:31,340 --> 00:16:33,579 It worked because I did exactly as I was told. 318 00:16:33,580 --> 00:16:38,319 And, "You know?" "No, I don't know, you know"... it was simple, 319 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,060 until the day of the studio when the room was full of all kinds of 320 00:16:43,061 --> 00:16:45,219 musicians, that Wall of Sound... 321 00:16:45,220 --> 00:16:47,500 The famous Wall of Sound. That famous Wall of Sound. 322 00:16:47,501 --> 00:16:51,099 How you get that is with the instrument here, 323 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:53,660 and another kind of instrument, and four or five instruments... 324 00:16:53,661 --> 00:16:56,739 the room was full of an orchestra! 325 00:16:56,740 --> 00:16:58,980 And never before... you'd never seen anything like that? 326 00:16:58,981 --> 00:17:00,659 Never. Never. 327 00:17:00,660 --> 00:17:05,139 And when that da-dum, da-dum, dum, dum... I chill now. 328 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:09,620 I mean, it was... It was another feeling to sing to that. 329 00:17:11,100 --> 00:17:13,259 # When I was a little... # 330 00:17:13,260 --> 00:17:16,900 You know, really to sing into that "da-dum, da-dum..." 331 00:17:16,901 --> 00:17:20,939 I saw exactly what Phil was producing. 332 00:17:20,940 --> 00:17:23,620 And you're not just a singer in that context... you're an instrument, 333 00:17:23,621 --> 00:17:25,220 aren't you? That's right. 334 00:17:25,221 --> 00:17:26,819 Yeah. Yeah, actually, yes. 335 00:17:26,820 --> 00:17:28,819 You know, he's just playing you like... 336 00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:31,660 It was totally two different ways of singing. 337 00:17:31,661 --> 00:17:36,180 # And it gets stronger in every way 338 00:17:36,181 --> 00:17:40,700 # And it gets deeper, baby, let me say 339 00:17:41,660 --> 00:17:46,100 # And it gets higher day by day... # 340 00:17:48,820 --> 00:17:51,659 Tina finally divorced Ike in 1978. 341 00:17:51,660 --> 00:17:54,820 She initially struggled to make an impact as a solo artist, 342 00:17:54,821 --> 00:17:57,400 releasing two albums that failed to chart at all. 343 00:17:57,401 --> 00:18:00,070 But regular touring meant she still had a reputation 344 00:18:00,071 --> 00:18:02,739 as one of the most exciting live performers around. 345 00:18:02,740 --> 00:18:05,180 And she was frequently invited to perform alongside some of 346 00:18:05,181 --> 00:18:07,020 the biggest names of the day. 347 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:12,900 # Is it you again, comin' back for more? 348 00:18:12,901 --> 00:18:15,019 # Oh, yeah 349 00:18:15,020 --> 00:18:18,339 # You can love me tonight if you want 350 00:18:18,340 --> 00:18:20,979 # But in the morning you had better get goin' 351 00:18:20,980 --> 00:18:25,500 # I'm talkin' to you Hot legs, you're wearin' me out 352 00:18:25,501 --> 00:18:28,960 # Hot legs, make me scream and shout 353 00:18:28,961 --> 00:18:32,420 # Hot legs, are you back at school? 354 00:18:32,421 --> 00:18:34,859 # I love you, honey... # 355 00:18:34,860 --> 00:18:38,699 Tina's return to the charts came in 1983, 356 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:41,460 thanks to an unlikely intervention from the UK 357 00:18:41,461 --> 00:18:44,299 and the '80s electro band Heaven 17. 358 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:47,820 Two members of the band, Martyn Ware and Craig Marsh, invited Tina 359 00:18:47,821 --> 00:18:51,180 over to London to sing a version of the Temptations song, 360 00:18:51,181 --> 00:18:52,659 Ball of Confusion. 361 00:18:52,660 --> 00:18:55,459 When the song became a hit in Norway, Capitol Records 362 00:18:55,460 --> 00:18:58,260 was impressed enough to ask for another '70s cover song, 363 00:18:58,261 --> 00:19:01,379 and the result was Tina's big comeback single, 364 00:19:01,380 --> 00:19:04,980 her version of Al Green's classic, Let's Stay Together. 365 00:19:06,220 --> 00:19:12,140 # Let's, let's stay together 366 00:19:13,780 --> 00:19:18,259 # Loving you whether, whether 367 00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:23,500 # Times are good or bad, happy or sad... # 368 00:19:26,020 --> 00:19:29,379 Let's Stay Together reawakened interest in Tina's career, 369 00:19:29,380 --> 00:19:32,260 and introduced her to a whole new generation of fans who hadn't 370 00:19:32,261 --> 00:19:34,139 been around in the '60s. 371 00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:36,660 With the follow-up single, What's Love Got to Do With It, 372 00:19:36,661 --> 00:19:39,100 and the smash hit album Private Dancer, 373 00:19:39,101 --> 00:19:41,579 the comeback became a coronation. 374 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:44,579 Tina suddenly found herself one of the best-selling artists 375 00:19:44,580 --> 00:19:47,579 of the decade, a bigger star than she'd ever been at home 376 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:52,980 in America, and especially popular in the countries across Europe. 377 00:19:52,981 --> 00:19:57,760 # What's love got to do, got to do with it? 378 00:19:57,761 --> 00:20:02,330 # What's love but a second-hand emotion? 379 00:20:02,331 --> 00:20:06,899 # What's love got to do, got to do with it? 380 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:12,939 # Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken? # 381 00:20:12,940 --> 00:20:16,899 I was always treated a little bit different in those other countries 382 00:20:16,900 --> 00:20:20,860 than in America, because in America, a black singer, R&B singer, 383 00:20:20,861 --> 00:20:23,500 is always a black singer, R&B singer. 384 00:20:23,501 --> 00:20:26,139 That is what I was in America. 385 00:20:26,140 --> 00:20:31,019 They saw me as an R&B singer, and that's why 386 00:20:31,020 --> 00:20:35,500 River Deep, Mountain High was not pop enough to be pop in America 387 00:20:35,501 --> 00:20:38,460 and not black enough to be black, so it didn't have a home. 388 00:20:38,461 --> 00:20:40,419 So that was the story there. 389 00:20:40,420 --> 00:20:45,119 And why I felt so comfortable leaving America was because everyone 390 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:49,820 treated me not as a black person... they treated me just as a star. 391 00:20:49,821 --> 00:20:51,739 As a rock star? As a rock star. 392 00:20:51,740 --> 00:20:54,660 Yeah, in Britain, in Holland, in Germany. 393 00:20:54,661 --> 00:20:55,779 All over. 394 00:20:55,780 --> 00:20:57,919 They welcomed me with open arms. 395 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,509 And I felt really good and welcome. 396 00:21:00,510 --> 00:21:03,099 Yeah. But I had to work other areas, 397 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:06,899 because America wasn't open arms to me at first 398 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:10,420 until I had a huge hit there, which was Private Dancer. 399 00:21:10,421 --> 00:21:15,100 # I'm your private dancer, a dancer for money 400 00:21:15,101 --> 00:21:19,099 # I'll do what you want me to do 401 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:23,180 # I'm your private dancer, a dancer for money 402 00:21:23,181 --> 00:21:26,620 # And any old music will do... # 403 00:21:28,380 --> 00:21:31,099 The song Private Dancer was written by Mark Knopfler 404 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:34,020 of Dire Straits, but given to Tina because he felt the lyrics 405 00:21:34,021 --> 00:21:35,859 were better suited to a woman. 406 00:21:35,860 --> 00:21:38,980 And he wasn't the only rock star whose work Tina interpreted. 407 00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:42,219 Bono gave you a song, 408 00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:44,499 and you couldn't find a melody in that at all. 409 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:49,900 Bono said... I mean, when I received GoldenEye... 410 00:21:49,901 --> 00:21:51,699 This is for Bond? 411 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:56,580 Yeah. I thought... He didn't make a proper demo, he just... 412 00:21:56,581 --> 00:21:59,060 Someone just threw the music together, 413 00:21:59,061 --> 00:22:01,699 and he had just written the song. 414 00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:06,699 And when Roger, my manager, said, "Tina, this is a song...", 415 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:11,860 he told me it was a big break, so he said, "It's a little bit rough." 416 00:22:11,861 --> 00:22:16,260 And I thought, "What... how do I put this together?" 417 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:21,219 It wasn't showing me what the melody was. 418 00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:26,740 And so, yeah, I would have to say I created as close to what I thought 419 00:22:26,741 --> 00:22:28,379 the melody was of that. 420 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,899 It was your melody, not Bono's? It was my melody. 421 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:35,900 Close enough that he gave me a guideline, but not enough to sing, 422 00:22:35,901 --> 00:22:38,499 just to sing it. I had to work really hard. 423 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:42,980 And I remember I really closed myself off... I had just moved here 424 00:22:42,981 --> 00:22:45,340 when that happened... to really find... 425 00:22:45,341 --> 00:22:46,660 # Goldeneye, no time... # 426 00:22:46,661 --> 00:22:47,979 That part was clear. Right. 427 00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:50,740 But the verses, there was no guide. 428 00:22:52,540 --> 00:22:55,699 He said, and I remember when he said, "I should have known." 429 00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:58,500 I don't know what he should've known, except he should've written 430 00:22:58,501 --> 00:23:00,899 the song, actually! But it was... 431 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:04,139 He was very pleased with the outcome of it. 432 00:23:04,140 --> 00:23:09,420 He was in the studio when the song was being recorded and, 433 00:23:09,421 --> 00:23:11,660 yeah, that was another feat. 434 00:23:11,661 --> 00:23:13,379 That was hard. 435 00:23:13,380 --> 00:23:18,020 Yeah, I knew then that I had talent to sing anything put before me. 436 00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:19,460 You could make it live. 437 00:23:19,461 --> 00:23:22,460 I could make it work. Yeah. 438 00:23:22,461 --> 00:23:26,200 # See reflections on the water 439 00:23:26,201 --> 00:23:30,630 # More than darkness in the depths 440 00:23:30,631 --> 00:23:35,005 # See him surface in every shadow 441 00:23:35,006 --> 00:23:39,692 # On the wind, I feel his breath 442 00:23:39,693 --> 00:23:44,376 # Goldeneye, I found his weakness 443 00:23:44,377 --> 00:23:48,738 # Goldeneye, he'll do what I please 444 00:23:48,739 --> 00:23:53,099 # Goldeneye, no time for sweetness 445 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:57,940 # But a bitter kiss will bring him to his knees 446 00:23:59,340 --> 00:24:06,940 # You'll never know how I watched you from the shadows as a child 447 00:24:08,420 --> 00:24:15,380 # You'll never know how it feels to be the one who's left behind... # 448 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:19,459 It was in the mid-80s, when her career was at its peak, 449 00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:23,100 in music and in Hollywood, that Tina first encountered Erwin Bach, 450 00:24:23,101 --> 00:24:26,120 the man who has been her partner for over 30 years, 451 00:24:26,121 --> 00:24:29,140 her husband since 2013, and who has nursed her through 452 00:24:29,141 --> 00:24:32,379 several illnesses and saved her life. 453 00:24:32,380 --> 00:24:35,500 Tina was 46 and one of the most famous women on the planet 454 00:24:35,501 --> 00:24:37,019 at the time. 455 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:41,060 Erwin was 16 years younger, a German executive at her record label, 456 00:24:41,061 --> 00:24:43,900 and when they met, Tina was instantly smitten. 457 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:49,779 # Feel his presence in the crowd... # 458 00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:54,219 What actually happened was... Actually, I was doing a promotion, 459 00:24:54,220 --> 00:24:58,660 and he came to take me to do the promotion in Germany because I was 460 00:24:58,661 --> 00:25:00,259 coming from another country. 461 00:25:00,260 --> 00:25:01,980 And I just saw him for the first time. 462 00:25:01,981 --> 00:25:05,019 It was love at first sight. 463 00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:09,099 And my body was reacting to that, so I was saying to myself, 464 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:13,420 "Oh, my God, I've met someone, you know, after all this time and... 465 00:25:13,421 --> 00:25:17,740 "But he's young, and he's good-looking," and all of that stuff 466 00:25:17,741 --> 00:25:20,059 was going on in the mind, because when you work as hard 467 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:24,380 as I was working at that time, you just think of what's happening 468 00:25:24,381 --> 00:25:25,779 at the moment. Right. 469 00:25:25,780 --> 00:25:28,980 You know, another television show, another aeroplane... The job. 470 00:25:28,981 --> 00:25:32,460 The job, yes, so that left me... And I remember when I got 471 00:25:32,461 --> 00:25:34,620 in my room, I was just like... 472 00:25:35,940 --> 00:25:37,619 So something was real about it. 473 00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:39,939 Right. But because you are so famous, 474 00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:42,259 do you worry about the other side? 475 00:25:42,260 --> 00:25:44,540 You know, do you think, "Oh, does Erwin mean this? 476 00:25:44,541 --> 00:25:46,379 "Is he feeling the same thing? 477 00:25:46,380 --> 00:25:49,099 "Might he like me for other reasons?" 478 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:53,759 No, because actually he wasn't ready for a relationship. 479 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,829 I was older... first of all, the record company doesn't allow 480 00:25:57,830 --> 00:26:01,900 their people that work for the record company to get involved 481 00:26:01,901 --> 00:26:03,739 with the acts. 482 00:26:03,740 --> 00:26:07,420 And so I didn't know that, but I just thought I was older. 483 00:26:07,421 --> 00:26:09,020 Sometimes I realised that I was older. 484 00:26:09,021 --> 00:26:10,299 You're 16 years older? 485 00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:14,660 I was 16 years older, yeah, at the time, but I didn't feel... 486 00:26:14,661 --> 00:26:16,219 I didn't think about age. 487 00:26:16,220 --> 00:26:20,660 I just thought about... "Oh, he really strikes me some kind of way." 488 00:26:20,661 --> 00:26:22,299 Yeah, a beauty? 489 00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:24,299 A real hunk, as they call it in America. 490 00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:27,460 No, he was special, and he wasn't interested in me at all. 491 00:26:27,461 --> 00:26:30,780 He was just a record company executive. 492 00:26:30,781 --> 00:26:34,100 # Me and my baby was just getting right 493 00:26:34,101 --> 00:26:38,060 # All systems on overload 494 00:26:39,340 --> 00:26:42,900 # Radio blasting in the front seat 495 00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:46,100 # Turning out the music fine 496 00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:52,420 # And we were snuggled up in the backseat 497 00:26:52,421 --> 00:26:56,820 # Making up for lost time 498 00:26:56,821 --> 00:27:00,420 # Steamy windows 499 00:27:00,421 --> 00:27:03,740 # Zero visibility 500 00:27:03,741 --> 00:27:07,060 # Steamy windows 501 00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:10,820 # Coming from the body heat 502 00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:21,620 # You can wine and dine with a man all night 503 00:27:21,621 --> 00:27:23,500 # With good intent 504 00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:30,540 # But there is something about a confrontation on a back road 505 00:27:30,541 --> 00:27:33,140 # Breaks down the defence 506 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:38,419 # Steamy windows 507 00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:41,279 # Zero visibility 508 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,140 # Steamy windows 509 00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:48,740 # Coming from the body heat. # 510 00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:55,420 To spin forward, a couple of decades, and you're getting married. 511 00:27:55,421 --> 00:27:57,019 Beautiful wedding. 512 00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:59,740 Starts actually in this hotel, and you go back to your house 513 00:27:59,741 --> 00:28:01,939 in Lake Zurich, not far from here, 514 00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:04,739 and then a series of revelations happen. 515 00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:07,540 You feel a bit weird on your wedding day. 516 00:28:07,541 --> 00:28:09,059 A bit tired. 517 00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:12,980 I have an old pain... which they still haven't found out what it is... 518 00:28:12,981 --> 00:28:14,339 in my chest. 519 00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:17,940 I think what it is, it's... 520 00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:25,780 ...a cramp, the same one you get from the fingers and the toes 521 00:28:25,781 --> 00:28:26,819 and the muscle. 522 00:28:26,820 --> 00:28:28,899 And then you had a stroke. 523 00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,660 Yeah, it was a stroke that came, because... 524 00:28:31,661 --> 00:28:34,339 And, actually, why... 525 00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:38,319 The stroke was why? I don't know why the stroke was. 526 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,299 I think I had overdone something, some kind of way, 527 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:47,780 but I went to hospital to find out what this cramping sensation was, 528 00:28:47,781 --> 00:28:52,820 and they put me on the table for an MRI, we called it, 529 00:28:52,821 --> 00:28:55,259 and they said the blood pressure went up. 530 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:57,620 And I said "Oh, it's always up," you know, because I always 531 00:28:57,621 --> 00:28:59,459 had high blood pressure. 532 00:28:59,460 --> 00:29:03,140 And I think that's what caused it, because afterwards I felt not good. 533 00:29:03,141 --> 00:29:05,800 After the treatment, they were trying to check me, saying, 534 00:29:05,801 --> 00:29:08,459 "I don't see anything except the blood pressure went up." 535 00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:12,899 Yeah. And after that, I went on the honeymoon, didn't come back. 536 00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:17,340 After that, we came back and we were going to go to another trip, 537 00:29:17,341 --> 00:29:19,899 one of those other trips with a group of friends, 538 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:26,259 and I woke up and I said to Erwin, "I can't go, I can't talk." 539 00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:29,460 Erwin called the doctor and he said, "Bring her in, give her an aspirin, 540 00:29:29,461 --> 00:29:30,960 "and we'll see." 541 00:29:30,961 --> 00:29:32,459 How scared were you? 542 00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:35,140 Not scared at all. I just wondered why I couldn't talk. 543 00:29:35,141 --> 00:29:36,699 Oh, right. 544 00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:39,459 I just thought it would've come back, something, you know. 545 00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:42,220 So he took me in, immediately they took me in, and say, 546 00:29:42,221 --> 00:29:45,059 "It's a mild stroke from the back of the head," 547 00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:47,460 and then they took me down in the room and I didn't believe it, 548 00:29:47,461 --> 00:29:49,100 and I said, "Oh, stroke, whatever." 549 00:29:49,101 --> 00:29:50,179 Like that. 550 00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:51,700 They left the room. 551 00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:55,219 Blop! I hit the floor. 552 00:29:55,220 --> 00:29:56,660 The whole right side was gone. 553 00:29:56,661 --> 00:29:57,699 Oh, wow. 554 00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:59,659 And I thought, "What have I done? 555 00:29:59,660 --> 00:30:03,139 "I really have had something, because I can't move." 556 00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:06,619 It took me what really seemed like an hour to get up, 557 00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:10,620 because then I learned how to get up, when you're down, and not 558 00:30:10,621 --> 00:30:11,819 holding on to something. 559 00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:14,939 So then when I got up, I sat in the chair, 560 00:30:14,940 --> 00:30:19,619 and I thought, "Well, until I learn what this is, 561 00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:23,179 "this stroke that they say I have... obviously I do..." 562 00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:27,060 And then they started the therapy of writing with the right hand. 563 00:30:27,061 --> 00:30:28,379 All of that was gone. 564 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:29,740 So all the right side was gone? 565 00:30:29,741 --> 00:30:30,859 The whole right side, 566 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:33,140 but the talking was better than in the morning, 567 00:30:33,141 --> 00:30:34,680 when I... 568 00:30:34,681 --> 00:30:36,219 That went. 569 00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:40,299 But then I had to force, will myself to walk, 570 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:44,540 to make the leg walk, not... like that. Yeah, yeah. 571 00:30:44,541 --> 00:30:48,260 So then I forced... used all of my willpower. 572 00:30:48,261 --> 00:30:50,819 I wanted to get back like I was. 573 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:54,460 I didn't believe, you know, I thought I was the ultimate person 574 00:30:54,461 --> 00:30:55,859 to fix things. Right. 575 00:30:55,860 --> 00:30:58,260 So they said, "Well, how you do that, don't give into it. 576 00:30:58,261 --> 00:30:59,739 "It'll come back." 577 00:30:59,740 --> 00:31:02,100 It was a mild stroke, it wasn't a heavy one. 578 00:31:02,101 --> 00:31:03,900 And you were 73 at the time? 579 00:31:03,901 --> 00:31:04,979 At the time, yes. 580 00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:07,739 And did it affect your singing at all? 581 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:09,859 Well, I had... Obviously when you couldn't speak, but once 582 00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:12,060 your speech came back, did your... Was your voice still there? 583 00:31:12,061 --> 00:31:13,939 You know, actually, I had retired. 584 00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:16,140 I haven't actually tried to sing since, 585 00:31:16,141 --> 00:31:17,539 but I'm sure I can. 586 00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:19,979 Ah... yes, it's still there. 587 00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:23,460 No, I think I can still sing, but it does affect the singing, 588 00:31:23,461 --> 00:31:24,459 doesn't it? 589 00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:26,299 I would've thought, yeah. 590 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:28,460 I would've thought. I'll have to check that. 591 00:31:28,461 --> 00:31:31,019 Tina, I've never been able to sing. 592 00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:33,980 I was going to ask you next... can you sing? 593 00:31:33,981 --> 00:31:35,219 No, I think I can sing. 594 00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:39,260 The talking is the same except I think I don't talk quite as quick. 595 00:31:39,261 --> 00:31:40,899 Right, OK. I spoke quite quickly. 596 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,260 And you can't sign, you say... you can't autograph now? 597 00:31:43,261 --> 00:31:45,180 Yeah, the handwriting became better. 598 00:31:45,181 --> 00:31:46,379 I can walk. 599 00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:49,179 Sometimes I feel something on that side. 600 00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:52,380 You might notice the face is a bit fuller on that side. 601 00:31:52,381 --> 00:31:55,340 It's where it affected, mostly this side. 602 00:31:55,341 --> 00:31:56,900 So the face became bigger. 603 00:31:56,901 --> 00:31:58,179 The handwriting... 604 00:31:58,180 --> 00:31:59,499 I corrected all of that. 605 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,139 So, with a little make-up, you don't notice the face change. 606 00:32:02,140 --> 00:32:04,780 Right. You're supposed to say, "Yes, Tina, you're right." 607 00:32:04,781 --> 00:32:06,880 You don't! You look fantastic. 608 00:32:06,881 --> 00:32:08,979 What can I tell you? Honestly. 609 00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:10,899 But that's the beginning of this story. 610 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:13,059 That was the beginning of this story. 611 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:15,219 So it starts with this high, high moment. 612 00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:17,419 You're in love with this man, you couldn't believe 613 00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:20,620 it's happened to you, you get married, you're in your early 70s, 614 00:32:20,621 --> 00:32:23,499 you've stopped showbiz, you've retired, 615 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:27,340 you're about to enjoy yourself, you have a stroke, and then... 616 00:32:27,341 --> 00:32:31,380 So then they said, "Only one of your kidneys 617 00:32:31,381 --> 00:32:35,419 "are functioning," so I said, "So what happens?" 618 00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:40,500 He said, "If you don't maintain, if you don't do what we recommend, 619 00:32:40,501 --> 00:32:43,859 "you will probably die." 620 00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:49,700 So I said, "Well, if it's time." You know, I felt like... I'm late 70s, 621 00:32:49,701 --> 00:32:52,740 my mother died at 84, my sister died at 74. 622 00:32:52,741 --> 00:32:55,259 I thought maybe this was my time. 623 00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:58,079 So he said, "No, no, no, no. We can do something about it." 624 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,900 He said, "There's a machine downstairs. I said, "Oh, no, 625 00:33:00,901 --> 00:33:02,180 "I'm not living on a machine!" 626 00:33:02,181 --> 00:33:03,499 Dialysis, right? 627 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,940 So we went downstairs... yes, and there was this machine 628 00:33:05,941 --> 00:33:08,779 standing there, and I realised that I had to... 629 00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:12,980 I would have to use this machine, if I decided to live. 630 00:33:12,981 --> 00:33:15,300 And I said, "Oh, no, I'm not living on a machine. 631 00:33:15,301 --> 00:33:17,940 "That's not a quality of life." 632 00:33:17,941 --> 00:33:20,579 They said, "No, no, no, no, no. 633 00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:24,060 "What it will do is provide you with a cleanser for the body 634 00:33:24,061 --> 00:33:26,059 "until we find a kidney for you." 635 00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:28,660 Erwin said to the doctors, "Can I give her one of mine?" 636 00:33:28,661 --> 00:33:31,019 Something similar to this... I wasn't there. 637 00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:34,259 And then he found out that he doesn't need two kidneys, 638 00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:37,860 so then he came to me and said, "Tina, you don't have to make 639 00:33:37,861 --> 00:33:42,459 "this decision now. I can give you one of my kidneys." 640 00:33:42,460 --> 00:33:46,740 And I said, "Oh, Erwin, you're young, I'm already older. It's OK. 641 00:33:46,741 --> 00:33:49,460 "You just get used to me not being here." 642 00:33:49,461 --> 00:33:51,099 Oh, no, he didn't want that. 643 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:55,239 So then he talked me into him taking on one kidney. 644 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,379 So I said, "Well, no, I have to talk to the doctors," 645 00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:03,180 and then I talked to them about Erwin and what will happen to him, 646 00:34:03,181 --> 00:34:06,059 because he was still quite young. 647 00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:10,559 And I did feel like I was older, I was already in my 70s. 648 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,060 So why should I take the kidneys from a young man and let him 649 00:34:15,061 --> 00:34:16,259 finish his life? 650 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:17,899 That's what I felt like. 651 00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:21,060 And he said, "No, no, no, my life is fine how it is. 652 00:34:21,061 --> 00:34:23,380 "I'll give you one of my kidneys." And so... 653 00:34:23,381 --> 00:34:29,540 # Two people living on the edge of life 654 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:40,700 # Are people running out of dreams and time 655 00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:48,399 # I can hear it when you tell me so 656 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,449 # I can feel it, but I can't let go 657 00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:58,499 # Two people gotta stick together 658 00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:04,700 # And love one another, save it for a rainy day 659 00:35:04,701 --> 00:35:09,139 # Some people gotta stay whatever 660 00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:15,940 # And give one another shelter on a rainy day 661 00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:26,860 # Two people living in the way we do... # 662 00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:35,300 The operation was a success, allowing Tina to focus 663 00:35:35,301 --> 00:35:38,899 on enjoying her marriage and her retirement. 664 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:42,620 But after years of stability, 2018 saw her having to deal 665 00:35:42,621 --> 00:35:45,379 with a parent's worst nightmare. 666 00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:49,180 On July the 3rd, her eldest son Craig took his own life 667 00:35:49,181 --> 00:35:50,820 at his home in California. 668 00:35:50,821 --> 00:35:52,619 He was 59 years old. 669 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:56,420 Two weeks later, Tina scattered Craig's ashes and a single red rose 670 00:35:56,421 --> 00:35:58,860 at sea, off the California coast. 671 00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:05,579 It's very hard to talk about. 672 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:12,900 I still don't know what took him to the edge, because I have no idea 673 00:36:12,901 --> 00:36:16,860 what pulled him down except something that followed him 674 00:36:16,861 --> 00:36:18,699 with loneliness. 675 00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:21,499 I think it was something with being alone, 676 00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,259 but he was an introverted person. He was very shy. 677 00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:30,260 So I didn't know either, except now when I listen back to our last 678 00:36:30,261 --> 00:36:33,260 conversations, I notice a change in his "Hi, dear!" 679 00:36:33,261 --> 00:36:36,260 And I said, "Oh, nobody calls their mother 'dear'." 680 00:36:36,261 --> 00:36:37,939 You know, whenever he called me. 681 00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:41,739 And the last few times we talked, he talked, the conversation 682 00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:45,540 was different. And I didn't know that until after the suicide. 683 00:36:45,541 --> 00:36:47,720 In what way was it different? 684 00:36:47,721 --> 00:36:49,899 No "dear", no "Hi, dear." 685 00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:53,060 You know, "I just want to hear your voice and that laugh of yours." 686 00:36:53,061 --> 00:36:55,780 After the fact, I thought... 687 00:36:56,780 --> 00:36:58,179 ..."Hear your voice?" 688 00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:01,340 He never said that, and "that laugh of yours." Never. 689 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:06,180 Just always talked about coming, coming to see the musical. 690 00:37:06,181 --> 00:37:07,940 I sent him the book and all of that. 691 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:15,020 Everything was going good for Craig, every time he called me. 692 00:37:15,021 --> 00:37:19,740 But that last, I would say, the last two times 693 00:37:19,741 --> 00:37:24,459 that he talked to me, it was no "Hi, dear," no... 694 00:37:24,460 --> 00:37:26,900 You can tell when the voice is up, when the voice is down. 695 00:37:26,901 --> 00:37:30,540 Right. The voice was down, as if he's just relaxed 696 00:37:30,541 --> 00:37:32,100 at his new apartment. 697 00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:35,700 # When we were together 698 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:41,780 # Everything was so grand 699 00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:46,299 # Now that we've parted 700 00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:49,379 # There's just one sound 701 00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:52,039 # That I just can't stand 702 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,700 # I can't stand the rain 703 00:37:54,701 --> 00:37:57,060 # Against my window 704 00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:02,559 # Bringing back sweet memories 705 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,539 # I can't stand the rain... # 706 00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:09,259 She may seem the epitome of the feisty all-American lady, 707 00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:12,979 but since the mid-1990s, Tina's home has been Switzerland. 708 00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:16,660 She's now a fully-fledged European, giving up her American citizenship 709 00:38:16,661 --> 00:38:20,340 and US passport five years ago and swapping it for a Swiss one. 710 00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:25,299 So you became a Swiss citizen, 711 00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:27,859 relinquishing your American citizenship. 712 00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:32,700 And here you are now, in 2018, looking back at your old country, 713 00:38:32,701 --> 00:38:34,900 at America. What are you seeing? 714 00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:39,780 Difference. It's different than when I was there. 715 00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:45,340 My attitude about being there is I had lived there the first 50 years 716 00:38:45,341 --> 00:38:50,500 of my life, and now I'm moving to another country. 717 00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:56,420 Part of that was because of my relationship with Erwin. 718 00:38:58,180 --> 00:39:04,220 I have to be careful because there's a lot going on in America now. 719 00:39:04,221 --> 00:39:07,260 I'm happy I'm not there because of what is going on. 720 00:39:07,261 --> 00:39:09,020 I like the change in my life. 721 00:39:09,021 --> 00:39:10,340 I like where I am. 722 00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:14,419 America is still home. 723 00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:17,619 Two final and easy questions, Tina. 724 00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:22,980 One, out of your entire canon of songs, which would you pick 725 00:39:22,981 --> 00:39:24,740 as the one you most enjoy performing? 726 00:39:27,780 --> 00:39:29,139 My songs? 727 00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:30,539 Because I always covered. 728 00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:34,339 Any song you've ever performed, the one. 729 00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:37,460 There were quite a few that I loved that wasn't mine, 730 00:39:37,461 --> 00:39:41,059 because I was accustomed to covering. 731 00:39:41,060 --> 00:39:45,420 And I heard Palmer, Robert Palmer's Addicted To Love. 732 00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,780 # The lights are on, but you're not home 733 00:39:51,781 --> 00:39:55,539 # Your mind is not your own 734 00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:58,860 # Your body sweats, your body shakes 735 00:39:58,861 --> 00:40:03,179 # Another kiss is what it takes 736 00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:07,499 # You can't eat, you can't sleep... # 737 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:11,340 And of course I changed it... I changed everything that I covered. 738 00:40:11,341 --> 00:40:13,899 I like that one very much. 739 00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,899 It still moves me when I hear it today. 740 00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:20,860 I played it a bit faster, I changed some of the lines, 741 00:40:20,861 --> 00:40:22,459 but I made it my own. 742 00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:28,700 Addicted To Love, something was right about it being my song. 743 00:40:28,701 --> 00:40:32,780 Addicted To Love was... had a naughty edge to it. 744 00:40:32,781 --> 00:40:34,699 "The lights are on, but you're not home." 745 00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:38,820 It was... something was just very right about it every time I sung it. 746 00:40:38,821 --> 00:40:41,780 Of course, I got faster and faster, because the show was 747 00:40:41,781 --> 00:40:46,579 at an end, and I was tired, 748 00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:50,060 and it was just time for the climax of the show. 749 00:40:50,061 --> 00:40:51,820 But I always enjoyed it. 750 00:40:51,821 --> 00:40:53,579 I always enjoyed it! 751 00:40:53,580 --> 00:40:56,100 And are you Anna Mae or are you Tina Turner? 752 00:40:57,060 --> 00:40:58,659 Both. 753 00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:00,339 How do I say both? 754 00:41:00,340 --> 00:41:03,179 Tina Turner is still on stage. 755 00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:06,019 People still see me as Tina. 756 00:41:06,020 --> 00:41:12,020 I will always be Tina to them, because they only see me on stage. 757 00:41:12,021 --> 00:41:14,859 They're not in my home and in my private life. 758 00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:18,340 I think even the people in my private life might see 759 00:41:18,341 --> 00:41:20,419 a little bit of Anna Mae. 760 00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:22,799 So Anna Mae is a quiet, reclusive type? 761 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,180 A little bit. Tina Turner is a show-woman. 762 00:41:25,181 --> 00:41:26,700 Less, less than the show-woman. 763 00:41:26,701 --> 00:41:28,220 Much less, I think. OK. 764 00:41:28,221 --> 00:41:29,740 You know what I'm proud of? 765 00:41:29,741 --> 00:41:31,019 Yes, go on. 766 00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:35,940 That, at this age, there's still something happening with a career. 767 00:41:35,941 --> 00:41:38,380 My music doesn't sound old-style. 768 00:41:38,381 --> 00:41:40,819 There's a musical that's a hit. 769 00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:46,279 So, aside of being really tired of talking about myself, 770 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,740 I'm really proud of what my future as a star became. 771 00:41:51,741 --> 00:41:54,740 I feel proud that I hold that in my hand. 772 00:41:54,741 --> 00:41:57,740 Tina Turner, thank you very much indeed. 773 00:41:57,741 --> 00:42:00,620 Wonderful. Thank you. 774 00:42:00,621 --> 00:42:04,440 # You're simply the best 775 00:42:04,441 --> 00:42:08,260 # Better than all the rest 776 00:42:08,261 --> 00:42:12,840 # Better than anyone 777 00:42:12,841 --> 00:42:17,419 # Anyone I ever met 778 00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:21,979 # I'm stuck on your heart 779 00:42:21,980 --> 00:42:26,820 # I hang on every word you say 780 00:42:26,821 --> 00:42:29,460 # Tear us apart, no, no 781 00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:35,100 # Baby, I would rather be dead 782 00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:42,119 # Each time you leave me, I start losing control 783 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,980 # You're walking away with my heart and my soul 784 00:42:46,981 --> 00:42:51,340 # I can feel you even when I'm alone 785 00:42:51,341 --> 00:42:56,020 # Oh, baby, don't let go 786 00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:17,739 # You're the best 787 00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:22,340 # Better than all the rest 788 00:43:22,341 --> 00:43:26,760 # Better than anyone 789 00:43:26,761 --> 00:43:31,179 # Anyone I ever met 790 00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:35,699 # Ooh, I'm stuck on your heart 791 00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:39,559 # I hang on every word you say 792 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,420 # Oh, tear us apart, no, no 793 00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:49,580 # Baby, I would rather be dead 794 00:43:49,581 --> 00:43:52,620 # Oh, you're the best. # 64770

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