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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,513 --> 00:00:03,569 It's over. Olivia and I are engaged. 2 00:00:03,594 --> 00:00:05,594 - CASEY DELACROIX: Is this real? - ERIC NEILL: It is. 3 00:00:05,619 --> 00:00:07,218 'Till she finds out the truth. 4 00:00:07,780 --> 00:00:09,447 'Bout how it all started. 5 00:00:09,656 --> 00:00:11,656 OLIVIA LAKE: We should just square up the rent 6 00:00:11,758 --> 00:00:12,690 and move forward. 7 00:00:12,926 --> 00:00:14,703 It's not really gonna happen for you, Joey... 8 00:00:14,728 --> 00:00:17,295 Ah, now you want me to give up, too, just so you can feel better about yourself? 9 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,207 Are you available to, uh, talk? 10 00:00:19,232 --> 00:00:21,501 Who sent you here? How did you get here? 11 00:00:21,526 --> 00:00:24,269 Okay. Everything that we have right now is real. 12 00:00:24,681 --> 00:00:25,580 Is it real? 13 00:00:25,605 --> 00:00:29,540 It was you, wasn't it? You are not coming back here. 14 00:00:29,843 --> 00:00:32,312 Joe, you're kind of scaring me. 15 00:00:32,345 --> 00:00:33,846 What did Eric do this time? 16 00:00:33,871 --> 00:00:35,558 DELACROIX: You don't understand, you're not alone in this. 17 00:00:35,588 --> 00:00:38,016 OLIVIA: I don't even know who you are! 18 00:00:38,562 --> 00:00:39,794 NATE HENRY: What I don't understand 19 00:00:39,819 --> 00:00:43,277 is why you changed your story... twice. 20 00:00:43,730 --> 00:00:51,744 Synced & corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 21 00:00:53,403 --> 00:00:55,536 No, I don't want you to talk this time. 22 00:00:55,639 --> 00:00:57,205 First, I just want you to listen. 23 00:00:57,230 --> 00:00:59,129 - Why don't you... - Because I don't want you 24 00:00:59,154 --> 00:01:01,375 to tell me something, again, 25 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,768 that closes off another avenue of defense for you, all right? 26 00:01:04,871 --> 00:01:07,404 I know your side, you hear mine. 27 00:01:09,242 --> 00:01:12,501 Okay, I couldn't find Cliff Jones. 28 00:01:12,526 --> 00:01:15,246 I know, I know. I know. 29 00:01:15,348 --> 00:01:16,981 You sat with him face-to-face. 30 00:01:17,083 --> 00:01:20,050 But the fact that I couldn't locate him anywhere 31 00:01:20,229 --> 00:01:22,163 means probably Dick Andreesen couldn't either. 32 00:01:22,265 --> 00:01:24,065 And we're already dealing with priors... 33 00:01:24,090 --> 00:01:26,524 the Toledo thing, the New Orleans insurance thing with FEMA. 34 00:01:26,626 --> 00:01:27,791 I looked this up. 35 00:01:27,894 --> 00:01:29,560 None of that pertains to the case. 36 00:01:29,662 --> 00:01:33,631 They are going to use it to impeach your credibility. 37 00:01:33,810 --> 00:01:35,443 And not just because this is Salt Lake City, 38 00:01:35,468 --> 00:01:39,036 but because you are a professional liar. 39 00:01:39,138 --> 00:01:42,740 It will be the first thing that Andreesen brings up, I promise you. 40 00:01:42,919 --> 00:01:46,053 Unless... unless he brings up Eloise Brand. 41 00:01:46,078 --> 00:01:47,244 Which he can't. 42 00:01:47,346 --> 00:01:49,280 Which will appear to be very similar. 43 00:01:49,382 --> 00:01:52,816 Which is not similar. It is not similar at all, you understand. 44 00:01:52,919 --> 00:01:54,818 There's nothing similar about those two. 45 00:01:54,921 --> 00:01:56,687 I didn't love Eloise Brand. 46 00:01:56,789 --> 00:01:58,689 You understand that I didn't love Eloise Brand? 47 00:01:58,791 --> 00:02:00,391 Besides which, it's inadmissible. 48 00:02:00,493 --> 00:02:01,492 I know this. 49 00:02:01,594 --> 00:02:03,761 It's inad... good, okay. 50 00:02:03,863 --> 00:02:08,699 So then we'll just rely on the jurors to unhear it 51 00:02:08,801 --> 00:02:13,037 if Dick slips and it accidentally comes out, right? 52 00:02:13,139 --> 00:02:17,207 The point is, Eric, there is what you would like the playing field to be 53 00:02:17,310 --> 00:02:18,742 and there is what it is. 54 00:02:18,844 --> 00:02:21,045 Which one do you want to play on? 55 00:02:22,415 --> 00:02:24,882 - Okay. So...? - Okay. 56 00:02:26,886 --> 00:02:29,219 What is the reality here? 57 00:02:29,322 --> 00:02:30,588 The will. 58 00:02:31,260 --> 00:02:32,756 Your argument with Olivia, 59 00:02:32,858 --> 00:02:35,759 overheard just minutes before the murder 60 00:02:35,861 --> 00:02:38,395 by a guy who was going to check on a sketch 61 00:02:38,420 --> 00:02:40,888 she was apparently drawing for his kid. 62 00:02:41,221 --> 00:02:42,987 Your fingerprints are on the hammer. 63 00:02:43,012 --> 00:02:44,812 I was remodeling. 64 00:02:44,837 --> 00:02:46,136 Eric. 65 00:02:48,384 --> 00:02:50,051 The valets in the lower parking lot 66 00:02:50,076 --> 00:02:52,142 describe your exit as "rattled." 67 00:02:52,321 --> 00:02:55,189 And when the police found you in Truckee, you fled. 68 00:02:55,214 --> 00:02:57,548 You changed your story twice. 69 00:02:57,727 --> 00:03:01,696 And I know, I know... Eric, I know you didn't know she was dead, 70 00:03:01,721 --> 00:03:05,823 but the fact is you lied, for whatever reason. 71 00:03:06,503 --> 00:03:09,193 And when you agreed to take a polygraph... 72 00:03:09,295 --> 00:03:11,829 - Volunteered. - That's right. Yes, thank you. 73 00:03:11,931 --> 00:03:14,531 When you volunteered against the advice 74 00:03:14,634 --> 00:03:15,933 of your arresting officer... 75 00:03:16,035 --> 00:03:18,002 I was innocent. 76 00:03:18,104 --> 00:03:19,637 You failed your test. 77 00:03:19,739 --> 00:03:21,071 Because I was feeling guilty, 78 00:03:21,173 --> 00:03:23,540 but not about what they thought. 79 00:03:23,643 --> 00:03:24,875 I was a mess, 80 00:03:24,977 --> 00:03:28,078 which is why, I know, I should have listened. 81 00:03:28,608 --> 00:03:32,316 Okay. So, I'm sorry. 82 00:03:32,418 --> 00:03:33,584 Please, I'm sorry, okay? 83 00:03:33,686 --> 00:03:39,556 So, what... what are you suggesting? 84 00:03:39,659 --> 00:03:41,325 Please tell me this isn't your full lunch. 85 00:03:41,427 --> 00:03:44,261 Yep. Hammersmith had me until 2:00 86 00:03:44,363 --> 00:03:46,651 - bitching about the new parking. - Oh, God. I know, right? 87 00:03:46,676 --> 00:03:48,509 Honestly I don't think anybody likes it better. 88 00:03:48,534 --> 00:03:52,302 Right? Then he wants us to support him on the team jerseys. 89 00:03:52,405 --> 00:03:54,738 I assume you're coming here for a plea 'cause you don't have a case. 90 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,007 Actually, I have a great case. You don't have a body. 91 00:03:57,109 --> 00:03:59,420 (CHUCKLES) You think the jury's gonna look at one photo 92 00:03:59,445 --> 00:04:01,078 from the crime scene and think otherwise? 93 00:04:01,604 --> 00:04:02,590 Even you don't think otherwise! 94 00:04:02,615 --> 00:04:05,687 - I believe my client. - Ha! 95 00:04:06,585 --> 00:04:08,971 Did they fix this or not? It's still cold. 96 00:04:08,996 --> 00:04:11,549 Yeah, that's the new one, so I don't think you're having, 97 00:04:11,574 --> 00:04:13,014 whatever, Cream of... 98 00:04:13,092 --> 00:04:15,492 - Leukemia? - (CHUCKLES) Gross. 99 00:04:15,594 --> 00:04:17,394 It's first-degree murder. You know that. 100 00:04:17,496 --> 00:04:19,463 Without a body? Good luck. 101 00:04:19,565 --> 00:04:21,331 What don't you like about the new jerseys? 102 00:04:21,434 --> 00:04:24,535 - The whole "retro" thing? It's tired. - (SCOFFS) 103 00:04:24,637 --> 00:04:27,412 Look, I can agree to allocute for no more than 24 years. 104 00:04:27,437 --> 00:04:28,763 That's never gonna happen. 105 00:04:28,841 --> 00:04:32,443 The will? The witnesses? Even if I drop to second, 24 is a gift. 106 00:04:32,545 --> 00:04:35,379 You know that. Great, now it's too hot. 107 00:04:35,481 --> 00:04:38,649 We're gonna get less than that with a jury, even in Salt Lake. 108 00:04:39,262 --> 00:04:43,087 Okay, I'll agree to not oppose a request for no more than 20. 109 00:04:43,189 --> 00:04:44,822 I'm going in at manslaughter, 10. 110 00:04:44,924 --> 00:04:46,657 - (CHUCKLES) With his priors? Really? - Yeah. 111 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:49,193 Will you do me a favor? Will you taste this? Smell it at least? 112 00:04:49,295 --> 00:04:50,694 It smells like soup and chemicals. 113 00:04:50,796 --> 00:04:53,197 I don't know what you want from me. 114 00:04:53,299 --> 00:04:57,067 We get a jury, I'll roll we get first. I'll risk a trial. 115 00:04:57,169 --> 00:04:59,369 I will accept second, but we have to allocute for 12. 116 00:04:59,472 --> 00:05:01,839 - 18, he's out in 12. - (SCOFFS) 117 00:05:01,941 --> 00:05:04,975 Seriously, that is the most disgusting thing I think I've ever tasted. 118 00:05:05,077 --> 00:05:07,444 That's because you have to add hot water to it, Dick. 119 00:05:07,546 --> 00:05:11,014 You can't just put cold water in it and then microwave it. 120 00:05:11,117 --> 00:05:14,118 - Right. I put cold water in? - Yes. 14. 121 00:05:14,220 --> 00:05:16,386 Aggravated, 16. That's it. That's all I'm doing. 122 00:05:16,489 --> 00:05:20,057 - (SIGHS) - Oh. There they are, by the way. 123 00:05:20,159 --> 00:05:22,259 Yeah, there is kind of a "Damn Yankees" thing going on there. 124 00:05:22,361 --> 00:05:23,671 - Right? - All right, 16. 125 00:05:23,696 --> 00:05:25,229 But we're gonna have to do this as an Alford. 126 00:05:25,331 --> 00:05:27,698 That's fine by me. It's all guilty. 127 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,467 (CHATTER) 128 00:05:30,569 --> 00:05:33,637 NATE: Hey. Hi, Alan. 129 00:05:33,739 --> 00:05:36,440 Hey, so I still cannot get Eric Neill 130 00:05:36,542 --> 00:05:38,275 to make any sort of a statement 131 00:05:38,377 --> 00:05:39,877 other than a flat-out denial. 132 00:05:39,979 --> 00:05:41,745 And I know you're gonna think that I'm crazy, 133 00:05:41,847 --> 00:05:43,547 but I'm kind of actually... 134 00:05:43,649 --> 00:05:44,815 I'm starting to believe him. 135 00:05:44,917 --> 00:05:47,084 - You know, Nate... - And he gave me a name. 136 00:05:47,186 --> 00:05:48,986 Actually, he gave me a bunch of names, 137 00:05:49,088 --> 00:05:51,488 but the one that stands out is this Cameron Morgan. 138 00:05:51,590 --> 00:05:53,457 He's this thuggish, young guy. 139 00:05:53,559 --> 00:05:56,393 Apparently, Olivia loved to surround herself around young guys. 140 00:05:56,495 --> 00:06:00,297 Nate, Amy and Dick have come to an agreement. 141 00:06:00,677 --> 00:06:03,267 Who's Amy and Dick? Dick Andreesen? 142 00:06:03,369 --> 00:06:05,135 Wait, the prosecutor Dick Andreesen? 143 00:06:05,237 --> 00:06:08,705 Yeah, and Amy Lambson, that new public defender up out of Provo. 144 00:06:08,808 --> 00:06:11,375 Nice gal. Probably not that new anymore, actually. 145 00:06:11,477 --> 00:06:13,477 Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. 146 00:06:13,579 --> 00:06:15,078 This isn't possible. 147 00:06:15,258 --> 00:06:17,224 I've still got some more stuff to lay out. 148 00:06:17,249 --> 00:06:19,550 Listen to this... this guy, Cameron, he's got a list... 149 00:06:19,652 --> 00:06:22,085 Take yes for an answer, Nate. 150 00:06:22,188 --> 00:06:23,821 We have the guy. 151 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,466 - No. - You arrested him. 152 00:06:25,491 --> 00:06:27,558 No, I need a few more... 153 00:06:28,961 --> 00:06:31,862 Please, can we have a few more days? 154 00:06:31,964 --> 00:06:34,264 - Please? - It's over. 155 00:06:34,681 --> 00:06:36,099 You done good. 156 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:42,302 Excuse me, Petra. 157 00:06:42,942 --> 00:06:43,974 Sorry. 158 00:06:44,076 --> 00:06:45,142 There's a guy to see you 159 00:06:45,244 --> 00:06:47,578 from the TV show "Heart of Homicide." 160 00:06:49,148 --> 00:06:51,148 - Oh, thank you. - Sure. 161 00:06:53,786 --> 00:06:57,054 B. DAVID: It must have been very, very traumatic. 162 00:06:57,156 --> 00:06:59,022 PETRA: To put it mildly, yep. 163 00:06:59,124 --> 00:07:02,614 The FBI storming your kitchen. 164 00:07:03,195 --> 00:07:05,462 Christmas Eve, right in the middle of dinner. 165 00:07:06,732 --> 00:07:08,495 What was that like? 166 00:07:09,068 --> 00:07:12,536 Seeing your own father dragged off like that? 167 00:07:12,638 --> 00:07:14,471 (SCOFFS) 168 00:07:14,573 --> 00:07:15,877 Right. 169 00:07:16,775 --> 00:07:19,643 Okay, so flash forward 10 years, here we are. 170 00:07:19,745 --> 00:07:21,591 Your brother's been arrested. 171 00:07:22,514 --> 00:07:24,281 Does it bring up any memories? 172 00:07:28,387 --> 00:07:31,688 You know, we're gonna ask you a lot about your brother. 173 00:07:35,895 --> 00:07:37,861 You're okay talking about all this? 174 00:07:39,331 --> 00:07:40,964 Yeah, I think it... 175 00:07:42,334 --> 00:07:44,368 it's gonna get out there anyway. 176 00:07:44,781 --> 00:07:45,936 AMY: That's what you tell a reporter 177 00:07:46,038 --> 00:07:47,571 when they ask you about your brother's arrest? 178 00:07:47,673 --> 00:07:49,940 Well, I wasn't surprised. I mean, it's a pattern. 179 00:07:50,042 --> 00:07:51,875 And I really don't see how it matters now anyhow. 180 00:07:51,977 --> 00:07:55,012 It matters because your brother's case is flimsy at best. 181 00:07:55,114 --> 00:07:56,747 And pre-trying him in the court of public opinion 182 00:07:56,849 --> 00:07:58,415 doesn't exactly do him any favors. 183 00:07:58,517 --> 00:07:59,860 Well, there's something else I told him 184 00:07:59,885 --> 00:08:01,618 that I guess you're really gonna like. 185 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,020 Oh, God. 186 00:08:03,122 --> 00:08:06,123 I'm the one who told the police where he was. 187 00:08:06,302 --> 00:08:08,135 When the detective came to Mom's hospice room, 188 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,461 I told them he was at our family's cabin in Truckee. 189 00:08:13,832 --> 00:08:15,599 Great. 190 00:08:15,701 --> 00:08:18,135 Okay, actually, maybe you should be standing with the prosecutor. 191 00:08:18,237 --> 00:08:20,304 This is him in here. His name is Dick Andreesen. 192 00:08:20,406 --> 00:08:21,905 And I'm happy to introduce you if you like. 193 00:08:22,007 --> 00:08:23,640 If not, I'll just see you in the courtroom. 194 00:08:23,742 --> 00:08:25,175 (SIGHS) 195 00:08:31,193 --> 00:08:33,527 JUDGE: On the docket is case number 196 00:08:33,552 --> 00:08:38,922 2013-0009. 197 00:08:39,502 --> 00:08:43,026 State of Utah versus Eric Neill. 198 00:08:43,660 --> 00:08:46,817 It's my understanding the parties involved have come to an agreement. 199 00:08:46,842 --> 00:08:48,108 DICK: Yes, sir, Your Honor. 200 00:08:48,133 --> 00:08:50,000 We have indeed reached an agreement. 201 00:08:50,102 --> 00:08:52,069 The defendant has agreed to a change of plea 202 00:08:52,171 --> 00:08:55,405 to the reduced charge of aggravated manslaughter. 203 00:08:57,209 --> 00:09:00,711 - (PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) - (DISHES CLATTERING) 204 00:09:00,813 --> 00:09:02,813 (CHATTER) 205 00:09:02,915 --> 00:09:04,781 TOM: Christmas in February. 206 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,197 Excuse me. 207 00:09:08,087 --> 00:09:10,954 - MAN: Cheers. - MAN #2: Cheers, man, cheers. 208 00:09:11,133 --> 00:09:12,800 - Tom Davis. - Alan Pape. 209 00:09:12,825 --> 00:09:15,459 I know, the man himself. 210 00:09:15,561 --> 00:09:18,628 Uh, listen, I'll get right to the point. 211 00:09:18,731 --> 00:09:21,365 It was really impressive work with Eric Neill. 212 00:09:21,467 --> 00:09:23,100 - Really good stuff. - Mmm. 213 00:09:23,202 --> 00:09:24,601 Now, I understand, 214 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:26,780 if this doesn't fly for you, I totally get it, 215 00:09:26,805 --> 00:09:32,109 but this crime, this... this Eric Neill intrusion, 216 00:09:32,211 --> 00:09:35,746 it has spooked the heck out of a lot of folks up here. 217 00:09:35,848 --> 00:09:38,915 The consensus is we need new security. 218 00:09:39,018 --> 00:09:40,617 A new private firm, 219 00:09:41,147 --> 00:09:42,552 one we can count on, 220 00:09:42,654 --> 00:09:44,921 headed by a real pro. 221 00:09:45,101 --> 00:09:48,469 Oh, gosh, we already got some pretty top-notch outfits here. 222 00:09:48,494 --> 00:09:49,693 You're... 223 00:09:49,795 --> 00:09:52,396 a very gracious man, as I've heard. 224 00:09:52,575 --> 00:09:55,309 But I have not heard this bunch agree on anything 225 00:09:55,334 --> 00:09:57,200 as simple as setbacks from mailboxes 226 00:09:57,225 --> 00:09:59,326 like they agree on this one big thing. 227 00:10:00,572 --> 00:10:02,139 The person for the job... 228 00:10:03,409 --> 00:10:05,175 is Alan Pape. 229 00:10:05,964 --> 00:10:07,344 (CHUCKLES) Oh, well... 230 00:10:09,014 --> 00:10:11,281 Well, I, uh... 231 00:10:11,383 --> 00:10:14,251 honestly, I... I've been with the department... 232 00:10:14,276 --> 00:10:16,977 32 years. 233 00:10:17,233 --> 00:10:18,665 I hope you don't mind, 234 00:10:18,690 --> 00:10:21,158 a couple friends of mine at county let me know your salary. 235 00:10:21,260 --> 00:10:22,259 Oh. 236 00:10:22,361 --> 00:10:24,795 You decide to accept this, 237 00:10:24,897 --> 00:10:26,985 we're prepared to triple it. 238 00:10:27,533 --> 00:10:30,300 Bring in a couple guys... your pick. 239 00:10:31,370 --> 00:10:32,803 It's all your call. 240 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,474 Well, give it some thought. 241 00:10:37,653 --> 00:10:39,486 I'll give you a call in a couple of days, 242 00:10:39,511 --> 00:10:41,445 just check back in. 243 00:10:42,915 --> 00:10:44,448 Again, it's really... 244 00:10:45,818 --> 00:10:47,317 stellar work. 245 00:10:47,419 --> 00:10:48,985 It's really impressive. 246 00:10:50,122 --> 00:10:51,455 Thank you. 247 00:10:57,967 --> 00:10:59,967 _ 248 00:11:18,584 --> 00:11:21,351 - (EQUIPMENT BEEPS) - MAN: Lookin' at ya. 249 00:11:24,423 --> 00:11:25,722 Got it. 250 00:11:25,824 --> 00:11:28,158 - Okay, .147. - 147. 251 00:11:28,260 --> 00:11:31,061 - (BEEPING) - Edge of water. 252 00:11:32,698 --> 00:11:34,231 Other side. 253 00:12:10,769 --> 00:12:12,702 NEWSCASTER: Authorities say what could be the hand 254 00:12:12,804 --> 00:12:14,938 of famed children's book author Olivia Lake 255 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,074 has been discovered in a stream a half mile from her property, 256 00:12:18,254 --> 00:12:20,187 adding both closure as well as renewed attention 257 00:12:20,212 --> 00:12:23,180 to the events surrounding her now four-year-old murder. 258 00:12:23,282 --> 00:12:25,749 Investigators are swarming the abandoned mine shafts 259 00:12:25,851 --> 00:12:28,314 that dot the estate surrounding Lake's... 260 00:12:48,807 --> 00:12:52,943 AUTOMATED VOICE: This call is subject to monitoring and recording. 261 00:12:53,045 --> 00:12:55,512 (BREATHING HEAVILY) 262 00:12:55,614 --> 00:13:00,750 So many, whatever, pithy lines I wrote 263 00:13:00,775 --> 00:13:02,775 for this very moment. 264 00:13:04,656 --> 00:13:06,561 Was that one of them? 265 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:09,893 No, but this is. 266 00:13:10,073 --> 00:13:12,573 Unless I'm wrong, which I doubt, 267 00:13:12,598 --> 00:13:16,700 because I have nothing else to do but go over this ad infinitum, 268 00:13:16,802 --> 00:13:18,268 the last I heard, it was you 269 00:13:18,370 --> 00:13:21,534 who turned me over to the fucking police. 270 00:13:22,074 --> 00:13:24,874 Why are you here now? 271 00:13:31,383 --> 00:13:32,816 (SNIFFS) 272 00:13:35,230 --> 00:13:37,197 State law says that conditional gifts 273 00:13:37,222 --> 00:13:38,945 when the condition's precedent go unfulfilled 274 00:13:38,970 --> 00:13:40,400 become the property of the giver, 275 00:13:40,425 --> 00:13:42,292 the condition in this case being "Will you marry me," 276 00:13:42,394 --> 00:13:46,029 the nonfulfillment being "I can't, I'm dead." 277 00:13:47,242 --> 00:13:48,475 The fucking police gave it to me. 278 00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:50,333 What would you like me to do with it? 279 00:13:52,314 --> 00:13:55,148 So, you're here 'cause you wanna know 280 00:13:55,173 --> 00:13:58,808 what to do with Aunt Beth's ring. 281 00:13:59,734 --> 00:14:00,642 What happened? 282 00:14:00,667 --> 00:14:04,577 Since Mom died, you don't have any other projects? 283 00:14:05,150 --> 00:14:06,883 You know what? 284 00:14:07,062 --> 00:14:08,562 This will be in Salt Lake in storage. 285 00:14:08,587 --> 00:14:09,853 You can get it in 2032. 286 00:14:09,955 --> 00:14:12,122 I'm not interested in being the rudder 287 00:14:12,147 --> 00:14:17,083 that keeps you from free-forming around your life. 288 00:14:17,339 --> 00:14:18,572 Are you serious? 289 00:14:18,597 --> 00:14:21,197 Or one of your books you get 600 pages in writing 290 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:23,166 and then abandon completely. 291 00:14:23,268 --> 00:14:24,931 Okay, you know what? 292 00:14:25,570 --> 00:14:28,405 I was wrong to think that you might not deserve this. 293 00:14:28,507 --> 00:14:30,573 W-Wait! 294 00:14:30,676 --> 00:14:31,708 I'm sorry. 295 00:14:31,810 --> 00:14:33,376 I'm sorry! 296 00:14:38,950 --> 00:14:40,817 I'm sorry. 297 00:14:40,919 --> 00:14:42,699 Don't abandon me. 298 00:14:49,238 --> 00:14:50,804 - There you go. - Great, thank you so much. 299 00:14:50,829 --> 00:14:51,728 You're welcome. 300 00:14:53,976 --> 00:14:55,976 NATE: Hey, Jim, take care of this for me, okay? 301 00:14:56,001 --> 00:14:57,801 Yeah, I'm back. So, when? 302 00:14:57,903 --> 00:14:59,135 Monday? 303 00:14:59,237 --> 00:15:00,737 No, no, no, what do you mean Monday? 304 00:15:00,916 --> 00:15:02,382 This is mining country, man. 305 00:15:02,407 --> 00:15:05,075 There are more geologists than there are Starbucks. 306 00:15:05,177 --> 00:15:07,344 Then you call someone else. 307 00:15:07,524 --> 00:15:10,324 No, hold on, there has to be something that can dig that deep 308 00:15:10,349 --> 00:15:12,248 in the amount of time that we need it. 309 00:15:12,411 --> 00:15:16,179 Then... then you make new connections, thank you! 310 00:15:16,221 --> 00:15:17,987 - Detective Henry. Hi. Nate. - What? Hi. 311 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:20,357 - We met a few years ago. I'm Petra. - Petra. 312 00:15:20,382 --> 00:15:21,634 You're familiar with the Government Records 313 00:15:21,659 --> 00:15:22,936 Access and Management Act, I assume. 314 00:15:22,961 --> 00:15:25,161 I'm not, but I am with you. 315 00:15:25,263 --> 00:15:27,130 What department did you say you were with again, Petra? 316 00:15:27,155 --> 00:15:30,156 Actually, I'm not with a department. I'm Petra Neill. 317 00:15:30,412 --> 00:15:32,879 Oh, Jesus. No, no, you can't be here, then. 318 00:15:32,904 --> 00:15:35,205 - Please, just give me a moment. - No, no, no, you can't be here. 319 00:15:35,307 --> 00:15:36,620 A GRAMA request makes cops' notes available... 320 00:15:36,645 --> 00:15:37,431 GRAMA? 321 00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:39,008 - G-R-A-M-A... - GRAMA. 322 00:15:39,111 --> 00:15:41,077 ...makes cops' notes available to the defense, 323 00:15:41,179 --> 00:15:43,079 which makes them part of the trial record. 324 00:15:43,181 --> 00:15:44,914 Okay, which means you have my notes, 325 00:15:45,016 --> 00:15:46,516 and I need you off the property now. 326 00:15:46,618 --> 00:15:48,151 I have copies, which is why I have a few questions for you. 327 00:15:48,253 --> 00:15:49,919 On the night of the murder, you interviewed Joel Hurley. 328 00:15:50,021 --> 00:15:51,321 That's what this is, right? 329 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:53,467 Then you also interviewed his friend, Frank Scott. 330 00:15:53,492 --> 00:15:54,991 Uh, yeah. 331 00:15:55,093 --> 00:15:57,894 What I noticed was when referring to the night Olivia was killed, 332 00:15:58,073 --> 00:16:00,006 Joel said, "We took El Camino to Arroyo Parkway 333 00:16:00,031 --> 00:16:02,132 to the Eastridge Mall and saw the 10:20 'Hobbit 2.'" 334 00:16:02,234 --> 00:16:04,267 - Yeah, if you say so. - Now listen to what Frank said. 335 00:16:04,369 --> 00:16:06,369 - (REPORTERS CLAMORING) - No comment. 336 00:16:06,471 --> 00:16:07,837 "We went to Eastridge Mall. 337 00:16:07,939 --> 00:16:10,440 We took El Camino to Arroyo, and we saw the 10:20 showing 338 00:16:10,542 --> 00:16:12,108 of 'Hobbit 2: The Desolation of Smaug.'" 339 00:16:12,210 --> 00:16:14,711 Go to two. I don't understand your point. 340 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:16,823 They both almost said exactly the same thing. 341 00:16:16,848 --> 00:16:19,149 They were going to see the same movie. 342 00:16:19,328 --> 00:16:20,827 Okay. Okay, sure, fine. 343 00:16:20,852 --> 00:16:22,252 But here's my question. 344 00:16:22,354 --> 00:16:24,754 Who says which road they took and the exact time of the show 345 00:16:24,779 --> 00:16:26,512 when they're talking about where they were one night? 346 00:16:26,691 --> 00:16:29,592 Two people who are talking to a police detective 347 00:16:29,771 --> 00:16:31,872 the day after a murder was discovered. 348 00:16:31,897 --> 00:16:34,164 Hey, if you're suggesting that two guys that I've known, 349 00:16:34,189 --> 00:16:38,021 one I knew for two years, one I've known for well over 30, 350 00:16:38,046 --> 00:16:39,379 are lying for some reason... 351 00:16:39,404 --> 00:16:41,371 No, what I'm saying is that every other person in your notes 352 00:16:41,396 --> 00:16:43,196 spoke a certain way, and these two didn't. 353 00:16:43,375 --> 00:16:45,375 And honestly, I'm surprised you didn't notice. 354 00:16:48,380 --> 00:16:50,313 You ever heard of zebra-itis? 355 00:16:50,415 --> 00:16:54,150 - No. - Okay, here's what zebra-itis is, 356 00:16:54,252 --> 00:16:55,952 and then I'm gonna need you to step back 357 00:16:55,977 --> 00:16:58,644 and stop contaminating my crime scene. 358 00:16:58,824 --> 00:17:02,525 If it smells like a horse and it leaves a trail of horse prints 359 00:17:02,627 --> 00:17:04,828 and a big pile of horse manure, 360 00:17:04,930 --> 00:17:07,030 it's a horse. 361 00:17:07,209 --> 00:17:10,710 But amateurs and rookies, they think they're so smart. 362 00:17:10,735 --> 00:17:13,903 Web sleuths spend all day poking through rainbows, 363 00:17:14,005 --> 00:17:15,839 looking for zebras. 364 00:17:15,941 --> 00:17:17,574 - Unicorns. - I'm sorry? 365 00:17:17,676 --> 00:17:19,275 Which still would work as a metaphor, 366 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:22,168 but rainbows is unicorns, even though I totally get your point. 367 00:17:23,492 --> 00:17:25,158 I need you to move now. 368 00:17:25,183 --> 00:17:26,983 - You didn't think it was a horse. - Yo, Adam! 369 00:17:27,162 --> 00:17:28,762 - Please. - "All signs point to Eric, 370 00:17:28,787 --> 00:17:31,354 but in my gut, hmm, it just doesn't feel like Eric to me." 371 00:17:31,379 --> 00:17:33,333 Emphasis mine, but you said it to yourself 372 00:17:33,358 --> 00:17:35,658 in your own case notes right here, page 31. 373 00:17:36,289 --> 00:17:37,894 You didn't think it was Eric at the time. 374 00:17:37,996 --> 00:17:40,029 (HELICOPTER WHIRRING) 375 00:17:43,101 --> 00:17:45,568 I got this, Adam. Thanks, anyway. 376 00:17:47,916 --> 00:17:51,451 Look, I'm just one guy. I'm not the system, so... 377 00:17:51,476 --> 00:17:53,409 But you got angry at the system. 378 00:17:53,589 --> 00:17:56,289 Your letter to the prosecutor, Dick Andreesen, asking for more time, 379 00:17:56,314 --> 00:17:57,814 it's in the discovery. 380 00:17:57,916 --> 00:18:00,646 Even though he had already closed down the investigation. 381 00:18:01,152 --> 00:18:03,720 You were looking for the elusive zebra, perhaps? 382 00:18:04,967 --> 00:18:06,766 Unicorn maybe, even? 383 00:18:06,791 --> 00:18:09,225 My issues with what went down four years ago 384 00:18:09,327 --> 00:18:11,294 have nothing to do with what's happening here now. 385 00:18:11,396 --> 00:18:13,496 Olivia's friend JC said Joel owed her 10 months' back rent 386 00:18:13,521 --> 00:18:14,754 by the night of the murder. 387 00:18:15,010 --> 00:18:16,142 And Horacio, the gardener, 388 00:18:16,167 --> 00:18:17,333 said that Joel sold him his truck 389 00:18:17,358 --> 00:18:18,925 for a quarter of what it was worth 390 00:18:19,104 --> 00:18:22,772 and then split town three days after the murder. 391 00:18:22,874 --> 00:18:24,774 What are you trying to say? 392 00:18:25,087 --> 00:18:27,010 I want to talk to Frank Scott. 393 00:18:27,189 --> 00:18:29,022 PETRA: You don't think it's weird that you found the hand 394 00:18:29,047 --> 00:18:30,747 on Michael O'Connor's property? 395 00:18:30,849 --> 00:18:33,750 And on the day Olivia was murdered, 396 00:18:34,347 --> 00:18:37,153 she called Michael O'Connor and talked to him for, like, a minute... 397 00:18:37,178 --> 00:18:39,545 - 52 seconds. - ...just before she died. 398 00:18:39,724 --> 00:18:42,825 Yeah, I did find that weird at the time. 399 00:18:44,029 --> 00:18:45,128 And? 400 00:18:48,567 --> 00:18:50,982 Believe it or not, you know, 401 00:18:51,007 --> 00:18:52,859 I followed up on that. 402 00:18:53,038 --> 00:18:55,471 There were witnesses to the call. 403 00:18:55,651 --> 00:18:56,950 Olivia was upset. 404 00:18:56,975 --> 00:18:58,908 She had had a fight with your brother. 405 00:18:59,010 --> 00:19:00,810 Michael tried to console her. 406 00:19:00,912 --> 00:19:02,458 He couldn't. 407 00:19:03,334 --> 00:19:05,481 Okay, don't you think it's weird that she... 408 00:19:05,584 --> 00:19:08,618 that Michael and his associate, Tom Davis, 409 00:19:08,797 --> 00:19:10,864 flew to Turks and Caicos the very next day? 410 00:19:10,889 --> 00:19:14,023 As they did every New Year's. 411 00:19:14,125 --> 00:19:17,927 Same destination, same flight. 412 00:19:18,029 --> 00:19:19,696 You know what would've been weird? 413 00:19:19,798 --> 00:19:21,297 If they didn't leave. 414 00:19:21,399 --> 00:19:23,132 Have you re-interviewed him? 415 00:19:23,234 --> 00:19:26,002 - No. - Because? 416 00:19:26,104 --> 00:19:28,037 Because... (CLEARS THROAT) 417 00:19:28,139 --> 00:19:31,074 because of what you've already read in my notes. 418 00:19:31,253 --> 00:19:32,652 He never left the house. 419 00:19:32,677 --> 00:19:34,811 His cell phone never left the house. 420 00:19:34,913 --> 00:19:37,326 - There were... - Witnesses, I get it. 421 00:19:38,183 --> 00:19:41,951 - Wait, was the hand...? - What, cut off in the murder? 422 00:19:42,053 --> 00:19:44,320 Not unless she was killed by a dozen tiny rodents 423 00:19:44,345 --> 00:19:47,580 over a period of 8 to 10 months, no. 424 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:50,460 And, yes, we are checking all the old mine shafts 425 00:19:50,485 --> 00:19:52,418 that feed into that stream. 426 00:19:56,601 --> 00:19:58,234 I got a question for you. 427 00:19:59,871 --> 00:20:02,271 You care so much about your brother Eric... 428 00:20:04,709 --> 00:20:07,176 Where were you when he needed you most? 429 00:20:09,247 --> 00:20:10,380 Hmm? 430 00:20:12,427 --> 00:20:14,260 And why now, four years later, 431 00:20:14,285 --> 00:20:17,220 are you suddenly all over this? 432 00:20:20,025 --> 00:20:23,860 I think I might have been wrong about Eric 433 00:20:23,962 --> 00:20:27,597 in this specific situation. 434 00:20:27,699 --> 00:20:30,533 Ah, oh. (CHUCKLES) 435 00:20:30,635 --> 00:20:32,368 Okay. 436 00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:33,970 Hmm. 437 00:20:34,072 --> 00:20:35,405 Okay. 438 00:20:36,474 --> 00:20:37,974 So, this is about you. 439 00:20:43,715 --> 00:20:45,114 I mean, yeah. 440 00:20:47,021 --> 00:20:49,452 What? We went to the movies. 441 00:20:49,554 --> 00:20:51,320 "Hobbit." 442 00:20:51,423 --> 00:20:53,609 "Hobbit 2." 10:20 show. 443 00:20:53,637 --> 00:20:55,925 You took El Camino to Arroyo Parkway to the Eastridge Mall. 444 00:20:55,950 --> 00:20:57,823 It's all in the case notes. 445 00:20:59,297 --> 00:21:02,198 - Do you wanna stick with that? - Would you let me...? 446 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,333 I'll ask the questions. 447 00:21:04,436 --> 00:21:06,302 Hey, so, all we need to know 448 00:21:06,327 --> 00:21:08,327 is if you and Joel, 449 00:21:08,959 --> 00:21:11,474 for whatever reason, 450 00:21:11,576 --> 00:21:13,443 made up that story. 451 00:21:14,340 --> 00:21:18,047 I can find out now or we can talk later. 452 00:21:18,072 --> 00:21:19,905 I can find out then. 453 00:21:22,854 --> 00:21:23,986 Okay. 454 00:21:26,591 --> 00:21:27,812 Okay. 455 00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:31,928 - If you're really asking me. - NATE: Yeah. 456 00:21:33,431 --> 00:21:36,599 I've got this to say about Joel. 457 00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:40,269 There's the Joel that everyone sees... 458 00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:46,175 and then there's the other Joel. 459 00:21:51,326 --> 00:21:54,127 MELISSA: I don't understand why that's emasculating. 460 00:21:54,152 --> 00:21:56,719 NATE: Oh, co... at the crime scene? 461 00:21:56,898 --> 00:21:58,264 In front of everybody? 462 00:21:58,289 --> 00:22:00,886 And making me have no choice about it? 463 00:22:01,593 --> 00:22:03,493 Uh, where's Morgan? 464 00:22:03,595 --> 00:22:06,429 At Owen's. I'll text Marney. 465 00:22:06,608 --> 00:22:08,541 And you know Frank. I mean... 466 00:22:08,566 --> 00:22:12,468 like I'm going to empower her to talk to him? 467 00:22:12,570 --> 00:22:14,103 To Frank? 468 00:22:14,205 --> 00:22:17,540 You're not empowering her. She already has the power. 469 00:22:17,719 --> 00:22:19,219 She's a private citizen. 470 00:22:19,244 --> 00:22:20,777 She can talk to whoever she wants. 471 00:22:20,956 --> 00:22:23,289 You're just afraid that... 'cause Frank is... 472 00:22:23,314 --> 00:22:26,048 - The loosest cannon ever. - That you're gonna lose control. 473 00:22:27,852 --> 00:22:31,521 I don't even know what it's control of. 474 00:22:31,623 --> 00:22:33,623 But this hand comes up, 475 00:22:33,803 --> 00:22:36,136 and then this girl shows up, 476 00:22:36,161 --> 00:22:38,476 and suddenly I have no choice 477 00:22:38,501 --> 00:22:41,454 but to follow somebody else's agenda and it's not mine. 478 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:43,343 It sounds like she was right. 479 00:22:43,368 --> 00:22:46,402 - Which is beside the point. - Which is exactly the point. 480 00:22:46,504 --> 00:22:48,171 - No, it's not. - Yes. 481 00:22:48,273 --> 00:22:52,008 You had the case completely yanked away from you four years ago. 482 00:22:52,187 --> 00:22:53,853 You never liked the result, 483 00:22:53,878 --> 00:22:58,863 and if it was some dude who just suddenly showed up out of the blue, 484 00:22:58,888 --> 00:23:01,450 you would be saying to me, "Mel, oh, my God, 485 00:23:01,553 --> 00:23:03,586 the luckiest thing happened." 486 00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:07,244 I don't see where this is going. 487 00:23:07,792 --> 00:23:11,828 You were emasculated because it was a woman, 488 00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:13,529 is what I'm saying. 489 00:23:16,568 --> 00:23:19,902 Okay. I believe you're correct. 490 00:23:20,004 --> 00:23:21,804 Yeah, I know. 491 00:23:21,906 --> 00:23:25,041 You'll be fine. You can handle her. 492 00:23:25,143 --> 00:23:29,183 You know who I would be worried about is Alan. 493 00:23:31,115 --> 00:23:34,917 Assuming she can get Joel back, when do you think that would be? 494 00:23:35,019 --> 00:23:37,286 Oh! And that's another thing. 495 00:23:37,388 --> 00:23:42,024 She's so supremely confident that she can get Joel to come back. 496 00:23:42,126 --> 00:23:43,893 I mean, Joel? 497 00:23:43,995 --> 00:23:46,462 Joel freaking hated it here by the end. 498 00:23:46,564 --> 00:23:48,331 I mean, come on, you saw his Facebook posts. 499 00:23:48,433 --> 00:23:50,399 - (KEYPAD BEEPING) - (CLICKS) 500 00:23:50,501 --> 00:23:52,702 He's a totally different guy down there. 501 00:23:53,771 --> 00:23:57,707 I say there's no way 502 00:23:57,809 --> 00:23:59,609 she'll get him to come back. 503 00:24:02,814 --> 00:24:03,813 What? 504 00:24:05,617 --> 00:24:08,451 I think you're underestimating this person. 505 00:24:08,553 --> 00:24:10,853 (BOAT MOTOR WHIRRING) 506 00:24:10,955 --> 00:24:13,184 JOEL: We'll go right up these lilies here. 507 00:24:13,209 --> 00:24:14,514 MAN: All right! Whoo-hoo! 508 00:24:14,592 --> 00:24:15,992 Here we go! 509 00:24:16,094 --> 00:24:19,028 (WHOOPING) Oh, yeah! 510 00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:20,429 Whoo! 511 00:24:20,531 --> 00:24:22,632 - Whoo-hoo! - Whoo! 512 00:24:27,272 --> 00:24:29,739 BOY: What can kill an alligator? 513 00:24:29,841 --> 00:24:32,942 Let's see. What can hurt one of these things? 514 00:24:33,044 --> 00:24:34,777 What can harm an alligator? 515 00:24:36,281 --> 00:24:37,380 Nothing. 516 00:24:39,317 --> 00:24:43,319 Well, scratch that. We can. We're its only predators. 517 00:24:43,421 --> 00:24:45,454 Unless you keep leaning over the edge like that, Junior. 518 00:24:45,556 --> 00:24:47,094 Then things are gonna change. 519 00:24:49,627 --> 00:24:52,962 JOEL: Uh, uh, Junior... 520 00:24:53,064 --> 00:24:54,897 - You see that out there? - MAN: Where? 521 00:24:54,999 --> 00:24:57,033 - Straight? - JOEL: That's our little trophy. 522 00:24:57,212 --> 00:24:58,611 MAN: Straight ahead, right there! 523 00:24:58,636 --> 00:25:00,603 - Right there. - Let's not spook this one. 524 00:25:00,705 --> 00:25:01,864 See him right there 525 00:25:01,889 --> 00:25:03,263 - just beyond that tree? - Yeah. 526 00:25:03,341 --> 00:25:06,342 All right, the next job is get that sucker on the boat. 527 00:25:06,444 --> 00:25:08,144 Who's gonna do the deed? Ava? 528 00:25:08,323 --> 00:25:10,644 - Thanks, but, no, thanks. - (CHUCKLES) 529 00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:13,704 Okay, definitely not Ava. How about you, Dad? 530 00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:17,820 - Taylor? - Oh, Junior? 531 00:25:17,922 --> 00:25:19,555 You gonna do it? 532 00:25:19,657 --> 00:25:21,624 - Huh? - I think so. 533 00:25:21,726 --> 00:25:22,959 All right. 534 00:25:23,138 --> 00:25:24,337 I thought you might be unsure, 535 00:25:24,362 --> 00:25:27,797 but you're gonna give her a go, huh? 536 00:25:27,899 --> 00:25:29,762 Put it on your shoulder, son. 537 00:25:30,804 --> 00:25:32,802 You ever handle one of these before? 538 00:25:33,265 --> 00:25:35,638 - Not too many times. - (CHUCKLES) 539 00:25:36,220 --> 00:25:37,550 I know it's hard with that life preserver, 540 00:25:37,575 --> 00:25:40,481 but you just put her right up there on your arm there. 541 00:25:41,857 --> 00:25:44,747 Make sure it's on safety until you get that sucker ready. 542 00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:46,960 You're gonna wanna hit it just between the eyes here. 543 00:25:46,985 --> 00:25:49,817 That's the sweet... that's the sweet spot. 544 00:25:49,842 --> 00:25:51,311 Nice, deep breath. 545 00:25:51,466 --> 00:25:52,799 JOEL: Nice, deep breath. 546 00:25:52,824 --> 00:25:54,957 You don't wanna ruin that trophy. 547 00:25:55,059 --> 00:25:56,325 - (GUNSHOT) - JOEL: Yeah! 548 00:25:56,427 --> 00:25:58,894 - (DAD CHUCKLING) - JOEL: There you go, Junior! 549 00:26:03,344 --> 00:26:05,111 Skin's all rolled up. 550 00:26:05,136 --> 00:26:07,970 Tell Ty I sent you. He'll cut you a deal on that taxidermy. 551 00:26:08,072 --> 00:26:10,806 - Sounds good. - I got your meat on the ice here. 552 00:26:10,908 --> 00:26:12,875 Keep these "not for sale" stickers visible 553 00:26:12,977 --> 00:26:14,798 in case the DWF stops you. 554 00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:16,556 - (CHUCKLES) - You are good to go. 555 00:26:16,581 --> 00:26:18,080 - Thanks, Joel. - My pleasure. 556 00:26:18,182 --> 00:26:20,316 Buckshot, hold onto that. 557 00:26:20,418 --> 00:26:21,450 Bye. 558 00:26:21,629 --> 00:26:22,829 Hope you had a great time. 559 00:26:22,854 --> 00:26:25,054 If you did, we're Big Bayou Gator Guides. 560 00:26:25,156 --> 00:26:28,924 If not, we're Outdoor Adventures, as the joke goes. 561 00:26:29,027 --> 00:26:31,994 - (CHUCKLES) Thanks, Pat. - (ENGINE STARTS) 562 00:26:32,533 --> 00:26:34,830 Hope they got the sizes right this time. 563 00:26:45,243 --> 00:26:46,609 Bobby. 564 00:26:48,413 --> 00:26:50,079 Oh, hi. 565 00:26:50,181 --> 00:26:53,249 I didn't see you there. Can I help you with something? 566 00:26:53,351 --> 00:26:55,584 - Are you Joel Hurley? - I am. 567 00:26:55,686 --> 00:26:57,453 Oh, thank God. 568 00:26:59,424 --> 00:27:02,024 Can we go somewhere and talk? 569 00:27:02,126 --> 00:27:06,128 - (MUSIC PLAYING OVER STEREO) - (JOEL SIGHS) Ugh! 570 00:27:07,899 --> 00:27:10,633 Bobby! Sorry. 571 00:27:10,812 --> 00:27:12,512 They got the kids large again. 572 00:27:12,614 --> 00:27:13,980 You gotta call them about next week. 573 00:27:14,005 --> 00:27:15,905 I still haven't gotten their thing. 574 00:27:16,007 --> 00:27:17,452 BOBBY: I'll give them a shout and get it straight. 575 00:27:17,477 --> 00:27:19,265 Sorry. 576 00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:20,820 Is this your art? 577 00:27:20,845 --> 00:27:22,144 It is. 578 00:27:26,818 --> 00:27:27,983 (CLEARS THROAT) 579 00:27:33,024 --> 00:27:34,678 Do you recognize me? 580 00:27:35,493 --> 00:27:36,926 Should I? 581 00:27:37,028 --> 00:27:39,562 I'm Petra Neill. I'm Eric Neill's sister. 582 00:27:41,376 --> 00:27:44,777 - PETRA: Please, just hear me out. - Look, I hardly knew him. 583 00:27:44,802 --> 00:27:47,436 - And from what I did know... - I know he could be complicated. 584 00:27:47,538 --> 00:27:50,739 No, he could be an asshole is what he could be, to be honest. 585 00:27:50,842 --> 00:27:54,443 Well, he said that you were a good guy. 586 00:27:54,823 --> 00:27:57,659 He said you might be the only one who could help me. 587 00:27:58,259 --> 00:27:59,892 He said you'd at least listen. 588 00:27:59,917 --> 00:28:01,183 Please. 589 00:28:02,653 --> 00:28:03,586 (SIGHS) 590 00:28:05,156 --> 00:28:06,856 Do you mind if we change the music? 591 00:28:06,958 --> 00:28:09,671 - Sure. To what? - Silence. 592 00:28:10,461 --> 00:28:15,764 - Okay, the music is now silence. - (MUSIC TURNS OFF) 593 00:28:15,867 --> 00:28:17,221 What's up? 594 00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:21,770 Do you remember one night, maybe a week or two before the murder, 595 00:28:22,267 --> 00:28:25,007 when you saw someone on the property and you chased him off? 596 00:28:25,109 --> 00:28:26,375 Why? 597 00:28:26,814 --> 00:28:28,774 You told Eric about it that night. 598 00:28:29,413 --> 00:28:31,147 You said his name was Cameron. 599 00:28:31,249 --> 00:28:33,549 I think, uh... (SIGHS) 600 00:28:36,254 --> 00:28:39,622 someone told me then that it would've been Cameron, 601 00:28:39,724 --> 00:28:41,557 so, sure, Cameron. 602 00:28:41,659 --> 00:28:43,259 I need to find him. 603 00:28:43,361 --> 00:28:45,194 Well, I saw him for about 10 seconds. 604 00:28:45,296 --> 00:28:47,163 It was in the dark. It was the woods. 605 00:28:47,265 --> 00:28:50,199 He got in the car and drove off, so I'd have no idea on how to locate him. 606 00:28:50,301 --> 00:28:53,302 So he could... he said those will work until we get the 400s. 607 00:28:53,404 --> 00:28:56,739 There was someone in that car that Cameron got into. 608 00:28:56,841 --> 00:29:00,643 And you told Eric back then that you might know him. 609 00:29:00,745 --> 00:29:04,146 I think I said that he might have looked vaguely familiar, yeah. 610 00:29:04,248 --> 00:29:06,348 You said he was a bartender. 611 00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:08,450 Look, I don't know. It was four years ago. 612 00:29:08,553 --> 00:29:10,219 Do you remember which bar? 613 00:29:10,321 --> 00:29:14,023 Oh, God, I... I really don't know. 614 00:29:14,528 --> 00:29:17,698 Please don't tell me this is what you flew all the way down here to find out. 615 00:29:27,205 --> 00:29:28,671 Keep going. I'm listening. 616 00:29:30,474 --> 00:29:32,308 I believe my brother is innocent. 617 00:29:32,410 --> 00:29:34,944 Of the crime that he confessed to committing? 618 00:29:35,046 --> 00:29:37,580 He pled out without admitting guilt. 619 00:29:37,682 --> 00:29:39,248 He had no other choice. 620 00:29:40,851 --> 00:29:44,820 The media, his lawyer, everyone rushed to judgment. 621 00:29:44,922 --> 00:29:47,122 But they never found a body. 622 00:29:47,225 --> 00:29:50,359 And I believe that if I can prove there were other suspects, 623 00:29:50,461 --> 00:29:52,728 people that the attorney overlooked, 624 00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:55,064 then I believe I can get him an appeal. 625 00:29:55,244 --> 00:29:56,943 Now, after all this time? 626 00:29:56,968 --> 00:29:58,801 There's new information. 627 00:29:58,903 --> 00:30:02,324 In prison, someone told Eric that that guy Cameron 628 00:30:02,426 --> 00:30:04,807 was talking about a safe in Olivia's studio 629 00:30:04,986 --> 00:30:07,019 and how she kept cash and drawings in there. 630 00:30:07,044 --> 00:30:09,583 And Eric has been writing to his lawyer, but... 631 00:30:10,291 --> 00:30:11,524 don't get me started on her. 632 00:30:11,549 --> 00:30:15,297 So, please... 633 00:30:15,786 --> 00:30:19,655 do you think maybe you can remember which bar? 634 00:30:19,757 --> 00:30:22,758 If I can find out who that bartender is, 635 00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:24,260 I think maybe I can find Cameron. 636 00:30:24,285 --> 00:30:27,286 You know the town. There are a lot of bars. 637 00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:30,266 Could you point it out if you were standing there? 638 00:30:30,687 --> 00:30:33,869 (CHUCKLES) I don't know. Possibly. 639 00:30:34,191 --> 00:30:35,938 Would you know him if you saw him? 640 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,640 What are you asking me? 641 00:30:39,243 --> 00:30:40,943 No, I can't go back there. 642 00:30:41,045 --> 00:30:43,145 Just for a day or two. That's all I need. 643 00:30:43,660 --> 00:30:46,582 Please. You know the area. You lived on the property. 644 00:30:46,607 --> 00:30:48,207 You know the town, you know the people. 645 00:30:48,753 --> 00:30:49,852 Knew. 646 00:30:51,433 --> 00:30:53,155 Please, just think about it? 647 00:30:54,692 --> 00:30:55,991 Here's my number. 648 00:30:59,902 --> 00:31:02,010 I have no one else I can turn to. 649 00:31:02,886 --> 00:31:05,367 You're literally the only person on the planet who could help me. 650 00:31:07,338 --> 00:31:08,437 Please. 651 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,540 I'm sorry. I can't. 652 00:31:11,642 --> 00:31:13,776 (CAR APPROACHING) 653 00:31:16,314 --> 00:31:18,213 (ENGINE TURNS OFF) 654 00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:27,833 - Hey, babe. - How was work, honey? 655 00:31:27,858 --> 00:31:28,791 Fine. 656 00:31:32,582 --> 00:31:34,430 LAURA: What's going on? 657 00:31:34,751 --> 00:31:39,631 So, this is all just about finding Cameron, really? 658 00:31:43,441 --> 00:31:45,040 Yeah. 659 00:31:45,219 --> 00:31:47,720 You... I mean, the weird thing 660 00:31:47,745 --> 00:31:51,914 is that I was gonna tell the police back then about Cameron, 661 00:31:52,016 --> 00:31:54,016 but, you know, I just got caught up 662 00:31:54,118 --> 00:31:56,652 in the whole "Eric, Eric" thing with everybody else, and... 663 00:31:57,966 --> 00:31:59,332 I mean, even when we got here, 664 00:31:59,357 --> 00:32:01,290 it just... it still kept eating at me, 665 00:32:01,392 --> 00:32:05,094 that look on Cameron's face that night. 666 00:32:05,196 --> 00:32:08,230 It was... like, you know how crocodiles, 667 00:32:08,332 --> 00:32:10,399 they have that lower row of teeth 668 00:32:10,424 --> 00:32:13,392 like they're smiling at you, like they know something about you? 669 00:32:14,739 --> 00:32:16,105 That was Cameron. 670 00:32:18,352 --> 00:32:20,853 Then Eric confesses and four years go by 671 00:32:20,878 --> 00:32:24,413 and Olivia's hand shows up 672 00:32:24,438 --> 00:32:27,506 and his sister flies down to Louisiana, 673 00:32:27,531 --> 00:32:29,306 and now, fuck. 674 00:32:30,388 --> 00:32:33,422 So, what's the problem? 675 00:32:39,964 --> 00:32:43,298 There's a reason we left there, and it wasn't just Olivia. 676 00:32:43,401 --> 00:32:47,669 (SIGHS) To be honest, I don't think I can go back there again. 677 00:32:49,617 --> 00:32:51,217 Why are you looking at me like that? 678 00:32:51,242 --> 00:32:53,108 Well, of course you can. 679 00:32:54,712 --> 00:32:57,880 (CHUCKLES) I swore to myself I never would. 680 00:32:59,950 --> 00:33:03,352 Yeah, but you're different now. 681 00:33:03,808 --> 00:33:05,341 Everything's different now. 682 00:33:06,635 --> 00:33:08,401 I know you don't believe in the universe... 683 00:33:08,426 --> 00:33:10,659 Well, I believe it exists. (CHUCKLES) 684 00:33:10,761 --> 00:33:13,862 But you don't believe it gives you opportunities. 685 00:33:14,041 --> 00:33:16,675 Oh, it really hasn't. 686 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:20,315 Well, what if the one thing between... 687 00:33:20,556 --> 00:33:23,338 - How long is it total? - 15 to 20. 688 00:33:23,944 --> 00:33:27,209 Yeah, well, what if the difference between 16 more years of jail 689 00:33:27,234 --> 00:33:29,668 and his sudden freedom is you? 690 00:33:33,517 --> 00:33:35,717 How come you get to be so perfect? 691 00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:39,154 - Because I don't. - Because you do. 692 00:33:41,325 --> 00:33:42,858 And you are. 693 00:33:46,964 --> 00:33:49,498 I still can't believe we made it here. 694 00:33:54,238 --> 00:33:55,404 Come here. 695 00:34:06,550 --> 00:34:07,983 JOEL: I love you. 696 00:34:08,085 --> 00:34:09,852 LAURA: I love you, too. 697 00:35:14,618 --> 00:35:16,919 JOEL: It's kind of okay, actually. 698 00:35:17,021 --> 00:35:21,790 In my mind, Summit had morphed into this Arkham, 699 00:35:21,892 --> 00:35:24,927 Hellboy, Lovecrafty, Salem, Hall of Ghosts thing, 700 00:35:25,029 --> 00:35:27,229 and then I get here and it's like, 701 00:35:27,331 --> 00:35:30,732 "Oh, right, it's just craft stores and galleries 702 00:35:30,834 --> 00:35:32,968 and... here's a word I don't use that often... 703 00:35:33,070 --> 00:35:34,703 it's quaint." 704 00:35:35,973 --> 00:35:37,472 And she is in a pipe dream. 705 00:35:37,575 --> 00:35:40,288 I don't wanna say I feel sorry for her, but... 706 00:35:41,088 --> 00:35:44,056 Uh, all right. Speak to you soon, love. 707 00:35:44,081 --> 00:35:46,782 We're off to go track down a ghost. 708 00:35:46,884 --> 00:35:49,751 Yeah. Love you, too. Bye. 709 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:50,996 - Sorry. - Got you one anyway. 710 00:35:51,021 --> 00:35:52,287 - Thanks. - It's okay. 711 00:35:52,389 --> 00:35:54,222 Oh, here. Also if you need it. 712 00:35:54,247 --> 00:35:56,080 I need to step away for a few minutes. 713 00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:58,560 I have some things I need to take care of. 714 00:35:58,662 --> 00:36:01,229 Uh, wait, seriously? 715 00:36:01,332 --> 00:36:02,931 Yeah, I... I, uh... 716 00:36:03,033 --> 00:36:05,033 I gotta follow up on some stuff that I started the other day. 717 00:36:05,058 --> 00:36:07,459 But if you find anything, just text me. 718 00:36:07,638 --> 00:36:09,805 - All right. - Otherwise, an hour, hour and a half? 719 00:36:09,907 --> 00:36:11,773 Yeah, all right. 720 00:36:11,875 --> 00:36:13,208 I'll, uh... 721 00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:17,145 I'll just go track down the dude that knew Cameron. 722 00:36:17,247 --> 00:36:18,714 Great. 723 00:36:18,893 --> 00:36:20,292 Yeah, should be easy. 724 00:36:20,317 --> 00:36:22,150 - (LAUGHS) All right. - Okay. 725 00:36:22,252 --> 00:36:23,986 - Hour. - Oh, and, Joel? 726 00:36:24,088 --> 00:36:27,356 - Yeah? - Seriously, thank you. 727 00:36:28,959 --> 00:36:31,159 Yeah, of course. 728 00:36:31,261 --> 00:36:33,428 - All right, I'll see you soon. - Okay. 729 00:36:47,444 --> 00:36:48,710 (NO AUDIBLE DIALOGUE) 730 00:37:07,564 --> 00:37:10,932 (NO AUDIBLE DIALOGUE) 731 00:37:51,152 --> 00:37:53,285 MAN: Yeah, shit, I remember that clown. 732 00:37:54,144 --> 00:37:56,912 If you do find him, tell him he still owes me for two months. 733 00:37:57,014 --> 00:37:59,981 Better yet, bring him here. I'll tell him myself. 734 00:38:00,084 --> 00:38:02,451 Well, he was here with a girl, though, right? 735 00:38:02,553 --> 00:38:05,220 Yeah, poor little seƱorita. She didn't know what hit her. 736 00:38:05,322 --> 00:38:07,355 Then that guy, pfft, bolts 737 00:38:07,458 --> 00:38:09,658 day before Christmas. 738 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,094 (SIGHS) 739 00:38:12,506 --> 00:38:14,005 Any idea where she is? 740 00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:17,766 Mmm, I wanna say she was gone about a week later. 741 00:38:18,254 --> 00:38:19,668 She's Mexican. 742 00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:21,536 Could be anywhere. 743 00:38:21,991 --> 00:38:23,772 JOEL: She got a name? 744 00:38:23,874 --> 00:38:25,974 MAN: Yeah, Leticia. 745 00:38:26,153 --> 00:38:28,153 I can't remember the last name, 746 00:38:28,178 --> 00:38:29,678 but I remember Leticia. 747 00:38:30,781 --> 00:38:32,514 Pretty name. 748 00:38:42,826 --> 00:38:44,292 (PHONE CHIMES) 749 00:38:46,317 --> 00:38:48,317 _ 750 00:38:57,868 --> 00:38:59,234 Don't blame our town. 751 00:38:59,443 --> 00:39:03,195 I'm told you need suffering to make art. 752 00:39:03,297 --> 00:39:06,181 Yeah, but it's the artist who's supposed to suffer. 753 00:39:06,283 --> 00:39:08,817 - Ah. - You owe me a dollar. 754 00:39:08,919 --> 00:39:11,586 Yes, I do. 755 00:39:11,688 --> 00:39:13,588 Did he put up a fight? 756 00:39:13,690 --> 00:39:17,926 Mmm, a bit, but not. 757 00:39:18,028 --> 00:39:21,663 Hey, how did he seem? 758 00:39:21,765 --> 00:39:24,095 How are things with him and Laura? 759 00:39:24,778 --> 00:39:26,612 Seemed like he had a good thing going down there, 760 00:39:26,637 --> 00:39:28,470 if that's what you mean. 761 00:39:28,572 --> 00:39:30,727 Sweet girl, Laura. 762 00:39:31,208 --> 00:39:33,108 We used to joke that she'd need a neck brace 763 00:39:33,133 --> 00:39:34,999 the way that she would look up to him. 764 00:39:35,179 --> 00:39:37,078 (MUSIC PLAYING) 765 00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:46,813 _ 766 00:39:47,224 --> 00:39:48,590 (PHONE CHIMES) 767 00:39:52,663 --> 00:39:55,397 - Hi. - Hey. 768 00:39:55,499 --> 00:39:57,632 Two beers, please. Whatever's your local best. 769 00:39:57,734 --> 00:39:59,768 She'll have a Polygamist Porter 770 00:39:59,870 --> 00:40:01,970 and I'll have a Diet Coke, please. 771 00:40:02,072 --> 00:40:04,606 - You guys have Advil? - No. Sorry. 772 00:40:08,378 --> 00:40:10,512 - Thanks. - Oh, sure. 773 00:40:10,691 --> 00:40:13,258 And thank you for your message about Cameron's old apartment. 774 00:40:13,283 --> 00:40:14,983 There's a guy checking on the bills 775 00:40:15,008 --> 00:40:18,941 and hoping to get something about the old girlfriend... 776 00:40:18,966 --> 00:40:20,474 - Great. - ...and maybe a forwarding address. 777 00:40:20,499 --> 00:40:23,024 - So, well done. - Great. 778 00:40:23,126 --> 00:40:25,648 - Thank you. - Thank you. 779 00:40:25,673 --> 00:40:27,896 And congratulations to me, too, I guess. 780 00:40:27,998 --> 00:40:30,565 - For? - Being smart enough to bring you here. 781 00:40:30,667 --> 00:40:34,169 You did more in 60 minutes than I did in three days, so thank you. 782 00:40:34,271 --> 00:40:36,905 Aw, thanks. Just trying to help. 783 00:40:39,888 --> 00:40:41,078 So, I, uh... I just have a few questions, 784 00:40:41,103 --> 00:40:41,879 (PHONE CHIMES) 785 00:40:41,904 --> 00:40:43,411 mostly about the property. 786 00:40:43,513 --> 00:40:45,480 Oh, uh, one sec. Um... 787 00:40:45,582 --> 00:40:48,884 Sorry. Wife has a question about a house thing. 788 00:40:48,986 --> 00:40:52,420 - (CLEARS THROAT) - Sha, na, na, na, na, na, na, na. 789 00:40:52,522 --> 00:40:53,955 Uh, sorry. 790 00:40:54,057 --> 00:40:55,357 We know the murder happened 791 00:40:55,459 --> 00:40:57,926 somewhere between 10:15 and 11:45. 792 00:40:58,028 --> 00:40:59,394 Do we know that for sure? 793 00:40:59,573 --> 00:41:02,341 Well, Olivia was seen leaving the party at 10:04. 794 00:41:02,366 --> 00:41:05,166 And then a guy overhears her and Eric 795 00:41:05,269 --> 00:41:07,102 having an argument at the studio at 10:10. 796 00:41:07,204 --> 00:41:08,503 Then she calls her neighbor up the hill, 797 00:41:08,605 --> 00:41:12,140 and then her friend JC at 10:16, 798 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:14,052 the last anyone ever heard from her. 799 00:41:14,077 --> 00:41:16,111 Oh, sidebar... 800 00:41:16,213 --> 00:41:18,113 you know the people up the hill, O'Connor? 801 00:41:18,215 --> 00:41:20,295 Do you know that they own the Red Room? 802 00:41:21,618 --> 00:41:23,852 Oh, please, please don't tell me 803 00:41:23,954 --> 00:41:25,587 you don't know what the Red Room is. 804 00:41:25,689 --> 00:41:28,223 Is that like a "50 Shades of Grey" thing? 805 00:41:28,325 --> 00:41:30,892 (BOTH LAUGHING) 806 00:41:30,994 --> 00:41:32,627 It's a private art collection. 807 00:41:32,729 --> 00:41:34,863 Individually, some incredible pieces. 808 00:41:34,965 --> 00:41:36,932 Overall, no unifying aesthetic. 809 00:41:37,034 --> 00:41:40,568 They had a piece from... from it on loan at the Denver Art Museum, 810 00:41:40,671 --> 00:41:44,406 this obscure French Impressionist, Henri-Edmond Cross. 811 00:41:44,585 --> 00:41:46,151 When I was 12, my mother and I sat 812 00:41:46,176 --> 00:41:47,653 in front of it for literally six hours. 813 00:41:47,678 --> 00:41:49,354 Well, if you would've told me they had, 814 00:41:49,379 --> 00:41:52,914 like, a Brian Bolland or a Will Eisner or something, then... 815 00:41:53,093 --> 00:41:54,426 Don't tell me you don't know 816 00:41:54,451 --> 00:41:56,284 who the father of the graphic novel is. 817 00:41:56,463 --> 00:41:58,030 My interest in American art 818 00:41:58,055 --> 00:42:00,155 ended with Hopper's "Intermedio" in 1963. 819 00:42:00,257 --> 00:42:02,524 Well, Eisner was before, but, you know, whatever. 820 00:42:02,626 --> 00:42:04,359 Anyhow... 821 00:42:04,461 --> 00:42:06,127 - Her wounds. - Her wounds. 822 00:42:06,306 --> 00:42:08,040 - Yes, her wounds were... - (PHONE CHIMES) 823 00:42:08,065 --> 00:42:09,497 they were from a variety of things, 824 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:11,099 but they believe the death blow to be 825 00:42:11,201 --> 00:42:12,267 from multiple hammer strikes. 826 00:42:12,369 --> 00:42:14,803 And there was some flesh... 827 00:42:14,982 --> 00:42:17,115 piece of flesh they found on the wall, a tiny speck, 828 00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:19,507 and in it were bug eggs. 829 00:42:19,826 --> 00:42:21,910 - Sorry. Uh, wife thing. - (PHONE CHIMES) 830 00:42:22,012 --> 00:42:24,546 - Bug eggs. - Blowflies. 831 00:42:24,648 --> 00:42:27,482 Which puts it no later than 11:45. 832 00:42:27,661 --> 00:42:29,428 So I'm trying to figure out 833 00:42:29,453 --> 00:42:33,555 who was where between 10:15 and 11:45 p.m. 834 00:42:33,657 --> 00:42:36,676 Well, I can't really be of any help on that 835 00:42:36,706 --> 00:42:38,493 because I was at a 10:20 movie 836 00:42:38,672 --> 00:42:40,205 that was at Eastridge. 837 00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:43,419 So I left the property about 9:45... 838 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:48,007 or 9:46, which I weirdly remember. 839 00:42:49,049 --> 00:42:51,917 Wow, a movie New Year's Eve. 840 00:42:51,942 --> 00:42:53,151 - (CLEARS THROAT) - Crazy. 841 00:42:53,176 --> 00:42:55,443 I know, right? And trust me, I, uh... 842 00:42:55,545 --> 00:42:57,579 I wasn't one to avoid a party. 843 00:42:57,681 --> 00:43:00,348 It's just the truth is 844 00:43:00,450 --> 00:43:04,219 me and my then girlfriend, now wife, 845 00:43:04,321 --> 00:43:06,121 - had had a little fight. - (PHONE CHIMES) 846 00:43:06,223 --> 00:43:07,822 You weren't texting her enough? 847 00:43:07,924 --> 00:43:10,025 (CHUCKLES) Sorry. 848 00:43:10,613 --> 00:43:12,160 Let me turn this thing off. 849 00:43:14,398 --> 00:43:16,664 - Uh, yeah, so. - (PHONE CHIMES) 850 00:43:18,201 --> 00:43:20,635 So, yeah, you said that, you, uh, 851 00:43:20,814 --> 00:43:23,215 once saw Cameron on the property 852 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:24,773 out by the studio? 853 00:43:24,875 --> 00:43:28,376 It was actually by the, uh, story trail, actually. 854 00:43:28,478 --> 00:43:30,478 Could you show me exactly? 855 00:43:33,016 --> 00:43:34,416 Sure. 856 00:43:34,518 --> 00:43:36,051 Look, it's simple. 857 00:43:36,153 --> 00:43:38,887 All you do is find a way to get him alone. 858 00:43:39,066 --> 00:43:40,699 Then you casually bring it up 859 00:43:40,724 --> 00:43:42,991 and let him do the rest. 860 00:43:44,561 --> 00:43:46,482 FRANK: Should I wear a wire? 861 00:43:47,097 --> 00:43:49,364 Wha... no. 862 00:43:49,466 --> 00:43:50,737 Why? 863 00:43:51,378 --> 00:43:54,479 - Wha... are you joking? - Well, I don't know. 864 00:43:54,504 --> 00:43:58,006 - Whenever this happens on "The Wire"... - "The Wire." 865 00:43:58,031 --> 00:44:00,732 It's called "The Wire," 866 00:44:00,911 --> 00:44:04,625 so, yes, of course they have wires. 867 00:44:06,249 --> 00:44:08,049 But this is Summit, man. 868 00:44:08,151 --> 00:44:09,984 We don't have wires. 869 00:44:10,087 --> 00:44:13,855 We just have one guy says something 870 00:44:14,035 --> 00:44:15,801 and another guy tells a third guy. 871 00:44:15,826 --> 00:44:17,692 Okay. 872 00:44:17,794 --> 00:44:19,127 Hey! 873 00:44:19,229 --> 00:44:21,563 All you need to do is this. 874 00:44:21,665 --> 00:44:24,699 If he asks you to stick to the story 875 00:44:24,724 --> 00:44:28,693 or to continue the lie in any way, 876 00:44:28,872 --> 00:44:30,371 you just tell me. 877 00:44:36,657 --> 00:44:39,357 Frank, what's the matter? 878 00:44:39,382 --> 00:44:40,915 We didn't even know about the murder 879 00:44:40,940 --> 00:44:42,673 when we agreed to this. 880 00:44:42,853 --> 00:44:46,588 Ah. Dude, you're not in trouble. 881 00:44:48,191 --> 00:44:49,357 Okay. 882 00:44:51,128 --> 00:44:52,498 You swear to God? 883 00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:55,897 - Yes. - Is Joel? 884 00:44:56,219 --> 00:44:57,832 I don't know. 885 00:44:59,769 --> 00:45:00,702 Maybe not. 886 00:45:01,182 --> 00:45:03,147 Hopefully not. Hey, hopefully not. 887 00:45:03,174 --> 00:45:05,473 Enough to get this girl to bring him back up here. 888 00:45:05,575 --> 00:45:07,642 - (SCOFFS) - Doesn't mean that he's in trouble. 889 00:45:07,744 --> 00:45:09,811 He's just... he's... 890 00:45:09,913 --> 00:45:12,147 (SIGHS) he's of interest. 891 00:45:12,249 --> 00:45:14,453 How the fuck did she get him to come back anyway? 892 00:45:14,478 --> 00:45:15,453 (PHONE CHIMES) 893 00:45:17,888 --> 00:45:20,785 Oh, you gotta be freaking kidding me! 894 00:45:21,602 --> 00:45:22,801 She brought him to the site. 895 00:45:22,826 --> 00:45:24,092 I gotta go. 896 00:45:24,194 --> 00:45:26,027 Hold on. What do I do? 897 00:45:26,129 --> 00:45:30,064 What do you mean? Stay, eat. 898 00:45:30,167 --> 00:45:32,433 - But no acting, all right? - (SIGHS) 899 00:45:32,536 --> 00:45:34,602 Don't act, just... 900 00:45:34,704 --> 00:45:36,771 just be normal, man, all right? 901 00:45:36,873 --> 00:45:38,740 JOEL: So, her one big book... 902 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,152 well, I'm sure you read it. 903 00:45:40,177 --> 00:45:41,643 Everyone's read it. 904 00:45:41,745 --> 00:45:42,844 - (CHUCKLES) - Mm-mm. 905 00:45:42,946 --> 00:45:44,267 No? 906 00:45:44,814 --> 00:45:46,948 "Whose Woods These Are." 907 00:45:47,050 --> 00:45:50,304 You read it one way, it's the story of this poor hunter 908 00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:53,788 who tries to protect his family from this evil monster bear. 909 00:45:54,151 --> 00:45:56,334 You turn it over and read it the other way, 910 00:45:56,359 --> 00:45:59,394 it's the story of this poor bear who tries to rescue his mom 911 00:45:59,419 --> 00:46:02,220 from the trap of this evil monster hunter. 912 00:46:02,785 --> 00:46:05,466 - Hmm. - Not a bad idea, right. 913 00:46:05,569 --> 00:46:08,536 - Pick a direction. - Wherever Cameron was. 914 00:46:08,638 --> 00:46:11,673 Well, it's a circle. They both end up at the same place. 915 00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:14,630 Good choice. 916 00:46:15,548 --> 00:46:18,646 So anyway, she'd lead these "story walks," she'd called them... 917 00:46:18,671 --> 00:46:21,870 Cub Scouts, field trips, Girl Scouts. 918 00:46:21,891 --> 00:46:22,991 _ 919 00:46:23,044 --> 00:46:24,380 - It was like she'd never tire - (PHONE CHIMES) 920 00:46:24,405 --> 00:46:26,111 of telling her one story. 921 00:46:26,189 --> 00:46:28,823 - PETRA: Well, that's sweet. - Well, I guess. 922 00:46:28,925 --> 00:46:31,314 Or she just couldn't move on, maybe. 923 00:46:32,606 --> 00:46:35,307 Anyways, at night when I'd just need to clear my head, 924 00:46:35,332 --> 00:46:37,732 I'd come out here and I'd walk the property. 925 00:46:38,231 --> 00:46:40,679 So, on that night, I'm walking along, and all of a sudden... boom... 926 00:46:40,704 --> 00:46:45,506 he and this other guy, like I just caught them at something, right here. 927 00:46:45,609 --> 00:46:48,276 Then they just disappeared off into the dark. 928 00:46:48,378 --> 00:46:49,724 And so you... 929 00:46:49,749 --> 00:46:51,436 Went to the main house, which is right over here, 930 00:46:51,514 --> 00:46:52,480 and I told your brother. 931 00:46:53,516 --> 00:46:54,882 Where'd you live? 932 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,342 In the barn. (LAUGHS) 933 00:47:00,335 --> 00:47:02,234 I was there with all the other strays. 934 00:47:02,259 --> 00:47:04,158 She was always picking up strays... 935 00:47:04,261 --> 00:47:06,494 cats, dogs, people. 936 00:47:07,641 --> 00:47:08,773 You lived in a barn? 937 00:47:08,798 --> 00:47:11,532 (CHUCKLING) Well, I grew up on a farm. 938 00:47:11,557 --> 00:47:12,622 She had horses. 939 00:47:12,802 --> 00:47:14,702 Seemed like a good idea. 940 00:47:14,804 --> 00:47:18,319 And then the reality was I was just a guy living in a barn. 941 00:47:19,195 --> 00:47:21,442 Not the idea you had when you first got here, I assume. 942 00:47:21,544 --> 00:47:23,077 It's a long story. 943 00:47:23,532 --> 00:47:24,612 You ever meet her? 944 00:47:24,714 --> 00:47:28,120 Once, at Thanksgiving. 945 00:47:28,752 --> 00:47:30,051 Not so fun? 946 00:47:30,153 --> 00:47:31,886 (LAUGHS) 947 00:47:31,988 --> 00:47:33,888 It was an attempt. 948 00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:36,557 ERIC: But I can tell there is no chance 949 00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:38,960 this Dennis Klein guy 950 00:47:39,062 --> 00:47:40,061 is legit. 951 00:47:40,163 --> 00:47:41,362 One thing we know 952 00:47:41,387 --> 00:47:43,888 is what a scam artist looks like. 953 00:47:44,144 --> 00:47:46,378 Am I right? So, I'm like... 954 00:47:46,403 --> 00:47:48,569 OLIVIA: He says, "If I'm not absolutely right, 955 00:47:48,594 --> 00:47:50,160 you have to buy me a drink." 956 00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:52,840 ERIC: And whammo, to a tee. 957 00:47:52,942 --> 00:47:54,609 (PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) 958 00:47:54,788 --> 00:47:57,088 OLIVIA: So, then he starts telling me why he's here. 959 00:47:57,113 --> 00:47:58,880 Why was Eric here? 960 00:47:59,059 --> 00:48:01,259 Wanted to change his life, didn't want to be the Grim Reaper... 961 00:48:01,284 --> 00:48:04,185 Actually, hon, I feel like I'm monopolizing this whole thing. 962 00:48:04,364 --> 00:48:07,198 Petra, what do you do? 963 00:48:07,223 --> 00:48:08,790 - ERIC: She is... - PETRA: I do many things. 964 00:48:08,892 --> 00:48:11,459 - ...major into the art world. - Peripherally. 965 00:48:11,638 --> 00:48:13,438 She restores art, 966 00:48:13,463 --> 00:48:14,662 she teaches, she writes books. 967 00:48:14,764 --> 00:48:16,230 - (CLEARS THROAT) - OLIVIA: About? 968 00:48:16,333 --> 00:48:18,866 She got 600 pages 969 00:48:19,045 --> 00:48:21,880 into one about the Italian Divisionists... 970 00:48:21,905 --> 00:48:23,705 see, I read your e-mails... 971 00:48:23,884 --> 00:48:25,417 and then she's like, "Wait a minute, 972 00:48:25,442 --> 00:48:27,175 maybe those critics back at the"... 973 00:48:27,277 --> 00:48:28,856 - whatever they're called... - Salons. 974 00:48:28,881 --> 00:48:30,011 "The ones who trashed the Divisionists 975 00:48:30,113 --> 00:48:31,523 back in the day, maybe they were right." 976 00:48:31,548 --> 00:48:33,414 And she throws her book away and starts again. 977 00:48:33,516 --> 00:48:35,450 OLIVIA: Well, they were right, right? 978 00:48:35,552 --> 00:48:38,453 I mean, when was that? Like, 1894? 979 00:48:38,632 --> 00:48:39,964 - PETRA: '96. - '96. 980 00:48:39,989 --> 00:48:41,689 Well, they were spot-on. 981 00:48:41,791 --> 00:48:45,226 Well, my beef was the overt social overtones... 982 00:48:45,328 --> 00:48:46,527 OLIVIA: Oh, I get your beef. 983 00:48:46,707 --> 00:48:48,073 I'm totally with you. I get it. 984 00:48:48,098 --> 00:48:49,541 I mean, the powerful are corrupt. 985 00:48:49,566 --> 00:48:51,733 Art is needed by the disinherited. 986 00:48:51,835 --> 00:48:54,335 I mean, if I want a message, send me a fucking telegram. 987 00:48:54,437 --> 00:48:57,338 Yeah, Olivia, 1943 just called. 988 00:48:57,517 --> 00:48:59,050 They'd like their once topical 989 00:48:59,075 --> 00:49:01,125 "send me a telegram" reference back. 990 00:49:01,227 --> 00:49:03,177 - (GUESTS CHUCKLING) - OLIVIA: Hello, JC. 991 00:49:03,202 --> 00:49:05,336 Hello, 2007 called, 992 00:49:05,361 --> 00:49:08,429 and they want their fill-in-the-blank call joke back. 993 00:49:08,685 --> 00:49:11,452 (LAUGHTER) 994 00:49:11,631 --> 00:49:12,797 OLIVIA: It's all overrated... 995 00:49:12,822 --> 00:49:14,522 the neos, the pointillists. 996 00:49:14,624 --> 00:49:17,792 Really? You don't think understanding the science 997 00:49:17,817 --> 00:49:19,471 of how the eye perceives light is... 998 00:49:19,496 --> 00:49:21,596 Has nothing to do with art. 999 00:49:21,775 --> 00:49:22,874 I mean, come on. 1000 00:49:22,899 --> 00:49:26,067 Yeah, can we measure human emotions 1001 00:49:26,092 --> 00:49:28,501 through the chemical, the synaptical, 1002 00:49:28,538 --> 00:49:33,674 the sciency-wiency... whatever... events? 1003 00:49:33,855 --> 00:49:35,120 Sure. 1004 00:49:35,145 --> 00:49:37,211 But at the core of it, 1005 00:49:37,313 --> 00:49:40,948 end of day, you have to feel it. 1006 00:49:41,127 --> 00:49:43,928 You can't think art... 1007 00:49:43,953 --> 00:49:46,788 (EXHALES) ...teach art, write about it. 1008 00:49:46,968 --> 00:49:48,400 JC: Um, didn't we just establish 1009 00:49:48,425 --> 00:49:50,825 she thinks, teaches, and writes about art? 1010 00:49:50,927 --> 00:49:52,556 (LAUGHTER) 1011 00:49:53,263 --> 00:49:57,365 OLIVIA: The most beautiful piece of art I've ever seen 1012 00:49:57,467 --> 00:50:01,235 was drawn by an 11-year-old girl in 15 minutes. 1013 00:50:01,414 --> 00:50:03,248 It... it's no technique. 1014 00:50:03,273 --> 00:50:06,641 But it was raw, it was pure. 1015 00:50:06,743 --> 00:50:08,142 (CHUCKLES) 1016 00:50:08,321 --> 00:50:10,255 Of course, it was about me, 1017 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,047 so, maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit. 1018 00:50:13,149 --> 00:50:15,783 Just eat your pie. Sorry. 1019 00:50:15,885 --> 00:50:23,909 Synced & corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 75752

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