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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,267 --> 00:00:03,837 (CATCHY MUSIC) 2 00:00:14,714 --> 00:00:15,915 INTERVIEWER: A few weeks ago, 3 00:00:15,947 --> 00:00:17,349 you received a critical award here in London, 4 00:00:17,383 --> 00:00:19,953 the London Standard Film Award, 5 00:00:19,985 --> 00:00:21,954 which was for your outstanding contribution 6 00:00:21,988 --> 00:00:23,389 to British filmmaking. 7 00:00:23,421 --> 00:00:25,123 There are a lot of people who consider you 8 00:00:25,156 --> 00:00:28,860 to have kind of saved the British filmmaking industry. 9 00:00:28,893 --> 00:00:32,064 Well, I think it was more of the award 10 00:00:32,098 --> 00:00:36,636 for the only English-British company that's left. 11 00:00:36,668 --> 00:00:39,138 (GRAND MUSIC) 12 00:00:54,220 --> 00:00:56,922 (CATCHY MUSIC) 13 00:00:58,256 --> 00:01:00,159 HandMade Films to me was a signature, 14 00:01:00,192 --> 00:01:01,628 this is gonna be quality stuff. 15 00:01:01,660 --> 00:01:03,428 For me, to make films is my way 16 00:01:03,461 --> 00:01:05,165 to help other people. 17 00:01:07,333 --> 00:01:08,768 MAN: It was George Harrison's company. 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,204 Well, it doesn't get much cooler than that. 19 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:14,240 GEORGE: I mean, I spent 25 years in this pop group. 20 00:01:14,273 --> 00:01:15,642 He said to me, 21 00:01:15,675 --> 00:01:16,875 "I'm so grateful that you did this film." 22 00:01:16,909 --> 00:01:19,211 I was like, "You're grateful?" 23 00:01:20,178 --> 00:01:21,279 MAN: He came into the entire room, 24 00:01:21,312 --> 00:01:24,150 and it was like meeting royalty for us. 25 00:01:24,183 --> 00:01:27,119 That's what they always say in the papers, "movie mogul". 26 00:01:30,255 --> 00:01:31,723 You know, there's always this battle 27 00:01:31,756 --> 00:01:34,359 between the artists and the money people. 28 00:01:34,392 --> 00:01:36,662 MAN: I can't imagine anything more risky 29 00:01:36,696 --> 00:01:38,131 than this business. 30 00:01:38,163 --> 00:01:41,199 And I don't particularly like being the money. 31 00:01:41,232 --> 00:01:43,770 (CATCHY MUSIC) 32 00:01:45,204 --> 00:01:46,806 MAN: Every film that we've done has been rejected 33 00:01:46,838 --> 00:01:48,140 by everyone in the world. 34 00:01:48,174 --> 00:01:50,943 This was the world that I wanted to be a part 35 00:01:50,975 --> 00:01:52,144 of building HandMade into, 36 00:01:52,178 --> 00:01:53,913 that you literally would, 37 00:01:53,946 --> 00:01:55,214 people would say, "I've got another script." 38 00:01:55,246 --> 00:01:56,248 We'll do it. 39 00:01:56,282 --> 00:01:58,718 (CATCHY MUSIC) 40 00:01:58,750 --> 00:02:00,052 ♪ What you dream of ♪ 41 00:02:00,086 --> 00:02:01,119 (EXPLOSION BOOMS) 42 00:02:01,152 --> 00:02:02,120 MAN: HandMade felt like family. 43 00:02:02,153 --> 00:02:03,755 They weren't a big studio. 44 00:02:03,789 --> 00:02:08,194 They did go with quirky, off-beat, atypical stories. 45 00:02:08,226 --> 00:02:11,196 Very good films got made in a very short time. 46 00:02:11,230 --> 00:02:14,901 I can't think of any other period in British filmmaker 47 00:02:14,933 --> 00:02:16,968 which was quite so rich. 48 00:02:17,002 --> 00:02:19,838 (CLASSICAL MUSIC) 49 00:02:21,005 --> 00:02:22,275 PRESENTER: It's new, and it's news. 50 00:02:22,307 --> 00:02:24,009 Sheffield's ABC Cinema, 51 00:02:24,043 --> 00:02:26,111 the last word for picture goers. 52 00:02:26,145 --> 00:02:27,779 With 1,300 luxury seats, 53 00:02:27,813 --> 00:02:31,250 with a 60 foot screen doing justice to the epic dramas 54 00:02:31,283 --> 00:02:33,052 of which only the cinema is capable. 55 00:02:33,085 --> 00:02:36,254 It was just nice in those post-war years 56 00:02:36,288 --> 00:02:37,724 to get out the house and go somewhere 57 00:02:37,756 --> 00:02:40,293 where there's all nice golden lights, 58 00:02:40,325 --> 00:02:43,795 and little goldfish swimming in the foyer. 59 00:02:43,829 --> 00:02:48,266 And yeah, we had some really neat cinemas in Liverpool. 60 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:51,970 In the 50s, they were fabulous places. 61 00:02:52,004 --> 00:02:54,073 Art deco, wonderful places. 62 00:02:54,105 --> 00:02:55,775 And generally, you know, the screens were big, 63 00:02:55,807 --> 00:02:57,043 and it was something quite different 64 00:02:57,075 --> 00:02:58,811 from any other sort of entertainment. 65 00:02:58,843 --> 00:03:01,747 I mean, I went to see everything, of whatever standard. 66 00:03:01,781 --> 00:03:03,081 GEORGE: It didn't matter what is was. 67 00:03:03,115 --> 00:03:04,350 MICHAEL: No matter how good or bad it was. 68 00:03:04,383 --> 00:03:06,252 Where you were transported to a different world 69 00:03:06,284 --> 00:03:08,253 for an hour of a half. 70 00:03:08,287 --> 00:03:10,156 (GRAND MUSIC) 71 00:03:10,188 --> 00:03:12,023 (ROOSTER CROWS) 72 00:03:12,057 --> 00:03:16,562 The industry had got into a very sorry state by 1982, 73 00:03:16,594 --> 00:03:19,799 under the leadership of two major companies, 74 00:03:19,831 --> 00:03:21,166 Rank and EMI. 75 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,802 PRESENTER: When it comes to entertainment, 76 00:03:22,835 --> 00:03:24,369 you can't beat a good film. 77 00:03:25,570 --> 00:03:29,040 I think there were about 23 films made. 78 00:03:29,074 --> 00:03:32,577 Typically in the UK, we make 90 to 120 films a year, 79 00:03:32,611 --> 00:03:35,381 23 films in a year was really, really low. 80 00:03:35,414 --> 00:03:37,183 And at the same time, the number of tickets sold 81 00:03:37,216 --> 00:03:38,350 was going down and down. 82 00:03:38,384 --> 00:03:41,020 The average Briton went to the cinema 11 times a year. 83 00:03:41,052 --> 00:03:43,588 It was down to nought point four visits a year. 84 00:03:43,622 --> 00:03:46,225 So things in the early 80s were really, really grim. 85 00:03:46,258 --> 00:03:49,295 Rank and EMI famously said no to almost everything 86 00:03:49,327 --> 00:03:50,563 that was interesting. 87 00:03:50,595 --> 00:03:53,332 (DRAMATIC MUSIC) 88 00:03:58,236 --> 00:04:00,438 ♪ Brian ♪ 89 00:04:00,472 --> 00:04:04,277 ♪ The babe they call Brian ♪ 90 00:04:04,309 --> 00:04:07,279 I remember exactly when the "Life of Brian" idea 91 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:10,081 rose up in our lives. 92 00:04:10,114 --> 00:04:11,150 We were promoting "Holy Grail", 93 00:04:11,183 --> 00:04:14,053 and we were on a little pub crawl. 94 00:04:14,085 --> 00:04:15,353 There we were sitting, drinking, 95 00:04:15,387 --> 00:04:18,124 and Eric said, "Jesus Christ's Lust for Glory", 96 00:04:18,157 --> 00:04:20,159 and ideas came out very quickly. 97 00:04:20,191 --> 00:04:23,261 Of course, we didn't use most of them because 98 00:04:23,294 --> 00:04:26,131 they were too blasphemous and we never wanted 99 00:04:26,164 --> 00:04:27,232 to pick on Jesus. 100 00:04:27,265 --> 00:04:30,335 In fact, he was okay when you look at the Bible. 101 00:04:30,368 --> 00:04:32,205 It was the followers and the churches 102 00:04:32,238 --> 00:04:33,339 that needed a lot of kicking. 103 00:04:33,371 --> 00:04:36,308 People started reading books, the Bible, 104 00:04:36,342 --> 00:04:39,077 getting ready to go. 105 00:04:39,111 --> 00:04:42,414 And a man called Barry Spikings who worked for EMI, 106 00:04:42,448 --> 00:04:44,217 liked the script very much, 107 00:04:44,250 --> 00:04:48,921 and got EMI to invest some money in it, 108 00:04:48,953 --> 00:04:51,456 and the crew were sound out to Monastir in Tunisia 109 00:04:53,291 --> 00:04:55,227 to start building some of the sets. 110 00:04:55,260 --> 00:04:56,462 TERRY: We were leaving on a Saturday, 111 00:04:56,495 --> 00:04:58,297 and on Thursday we got the news 112 00:04:58,330 --> 00:05:01,133 that Lord Delfont, Bernie Delfont, 113 00:05:01,166 --> 00:05:03,101 had got around to reading the script. 114 00:05:03,135 --> 00:05:04,904 He said, "You can't do this, 115 00:05:04,936 --> 00:05:08,206 "we can't have EMI involved in something like this, 116 00:05:08,239 --> 00:05:10,109 "it's blasphemous, it's rude, 117 00:05:10,142 --> 00:05:12,077 "it's shameful, it's disgusting." 118 00:05:12,111 --> 00:05:14,146 And there was no way he would be involved 119 00:05:14,178 --> 00:05:17,282 with this non anti Semitic filmmaking. 120 00:05:17,315 --> 00:05:21,921 And ordered Spikings to pull the plug. 121 00:05:21,953 --> 00:05:23,255 TERRY: When we didn't go to Tunisia, 122 00:05:23,289 --> 00:05:26,224 we suddenly were caught with our pants down, nothing. 123 00:05:26,258 --> 00:05:29,027 So, John Golston set off for America, 124 00:05:30,229 --> 00:05:32,130 and we go around all these people in New York, 125 00:05:32,164 --> 00:05:33,065 and we go to meetings, 126 00:05:33,097 --> 00:05:34,032 and they say "What's it about?" 127 00:05:34,065 --> 00:05:36,234 Well, it's a sort of, and they go, "Out." 128 00:05:36,267 --> 00:05:39,705 You know, it was like selling springtime for Hitler. 129 00:05:39,738 --> 00:05:43,142 TERRY: Well, thank God that George Harrison 130 00:05:43,174 --> 00:05:44,643 was a big Python fan, that's really it. 131 00:05:44,676 --> 00:05:47,145 And that Eric had gotten over the years 132 00:05:47,178 --> 00:05:48,380 quite close to George. 133 00:05:48,414 --> 00:05:50,082 'Cause I met him out here, 134 00:05:50,114 --> 00:05:52,284 at a screening of "The Holy Grail". 135 00:05:52,318 --> 00:05:54,085 Partied for days. 136 00:05:54,118 --> 00:05:55,220 (LAUGHING) 137 00:05:55,253 --> 00:05:56,421 And he was good fun. 138 00:05:56,455 --> 00:05:57,455 I kept calling him and saying, 139 00:05:57,488 --> 00:05:58,657 "We're looking for this money." 140 00:05:58,690 --> 00:06:00,258 And he said, "No, don't worry, I'll get it." 141 00:06:00,291 --> 00:06:02,227 And I say, yeah, sure, sure. 142 00:06:02,260 --> 00:06:03,561 So I said I know. 143 00:06:03,594 --> 00:06:06,265 As a Python fan, I'd certainly like to see it made. 144 00:06:06,298 --> 00:06:08,100 I asked my manager can you think of how 145 00:06:08,133 --> 00:06:10,169 to get them the money? 146 00:06:10,202 --> 00:06:12,071 And he came back to me in a week, 147 00:06:12,104 --> 00:06:14,140 he said, "I think I know how we can do it. 148 00:06:14,173 --> 00:06:15,708 "We'll be the producers." 149 00:06:15,741 --> 00:06:19,077 George and Denis were a team. 150 00:06:19,111 --> 00:06:20,546 You know, 'cause after The Beatles break up, 151 00:06:20,578 --> 00:06:22,380 there were all sorts of problems 152 00:06:22,414 --> 00:06:24,150 with all sorts of things. 153 00:06:24,183 --> 00:06:27,186 George had met Denis through Peter Sellers, 154 00:06:27,219 --> 00:06:28,120 and Peter said, 155 00:06:28,154 --> 00:06:30,389 "Oh, I know the man, you need help here, 156 00:06:30,421 --> 00:06:32,325 "and finances, whatever it is." 157 00:06:32,358 --> 00:06:33,759 Denis had done something extraordinary, 158 00:06:33,791 --> 00:06:37,128 and basically put George back on his feet financially. 159 00:06:37,162 --> 00:06:40,065 'Cause he's got a vast variety of skills, 160 00:06:40,099 --> 00:06:41,233 as you know. 161 00:06:41,265 --> 00:06:43,101 I mean, he's a highly trained lawyer. 162 00:06:43,135 --> 00:06:45,637 And then he's got training as a merchant banker too. 163 00:06:45,671 --> 00:06:48,240 Denis hadn't come up through the industry, 164 00:06:48,272 --> 00:06:51,210 so I think to most people he was just a bit of a mystery. 165 00:06:51,243 --> 00:06:53,512 (LAUGHING) 166 00:07:03,287 --> 00:07:05,223 And now for something completely different. 167 00:07:05,257 --> 00:07:06,392 (EXPLOSION BOOMS) 168 00:07:06,424 --> 00:07:08,794 The Pythons, having been a big fan, 169 00:07:08,827 --> 00:07:10,229 and still am, really. 170 00:07:10,262 --> 00:07:12,164 MIKE: Was that true that you sent a telegram 171 00:07:12,197 --> 00:07:13,099 to the BBC? 172 00:07:13,132 --> 00:07:15,167 Mm, nobody ever reacted to it. 173 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,337 But we never, ever received this message. 174 00:07:19,371 --> 00:07:23,174 Oh, I don't remember, something like, you know, fab. 175 00:07:23,207 --> 00:07:24,342 (LAUGHING) 176 00:07:24,375 --> 00:07:26,811 "Fab lads, well done, keep doing it." 177 00:07:26,844 --> 00:07:29,381 I don't know, just some word of encouragement 178 00:07:29,414 --> 00:07:34,419 that at least two people out there enjoyed it. 179 00:07:35,753 --> 00:07:37,123 And you know, the classic thing is I once said, 180 00:07:37,155 --> 00:07:40,556 "George, five million pounds on one film? 181 00:07:40,558 --> 00:07:42,160 "Why?" 182 00:07:42,193 --> 00:07:44,330 He said, "Well, you know, I just wanna see it." 183 00:07:44,363 --> 00:07:47,666 What we did was, we pawned my house 184 00:07:47,698 --> 00:07:50,669 and the office in London, 185 00:07:52,570 --> 00:07:54,006 to get a bank loan, 186 00:07:55,407 --> 00:07:57,575 and that was a bit nerveracking. 187 00:07:57,609 --> 00:07:59,645 If I'd known that, I would've been terrified 188 00:07:59,678 --> 00:08:01,447 about doing the movie. 189 00:08:01,479 --> 00:08:04,182 Thinking that George's house was on the line. 190 00:08:05,416 --> 00:08:07,787 But fortunately, I didn't know about it, 191 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:10,189 so I was blissfully unaware and I thought, 192 00:08:10,222 --> 00:08:12,258 oh, they can afford that, so that's fine. 193 00:08:13,224 --> 00:08:14,859 MICHAEL: Terry Jones was an extremely good 194 00:08:14,892 --> 00:08:17,595 director of comedy, I mean he knew how to shoot comedy, 195 00:08:17,628 --> 00:08:19,698 which is not lots of cutaways and lots of fuss, 196 00:08:19,731 --> 00:08:22,201 just get a group of people, see them interacting 197 00:08:22,234 --> 00:08:23,402 and all that, you know. 198 00:08:23,435 --> 00:08:24,837 Actually, I think we should do it. 199 00:08:24,870 --> 00:08:27,306 And what have they ever given us in return? 200 00:08:28,406 --> 00:08:29,541 MAN: The aqueduct. 201 00:08:29,574 --> 00:08:30,842 What? 202 00:08:30,875 --> 00:08:32,577 MAN: The aqueduct. 203 00:08:32,611 --> 00:08:34,779 Yeah, yeah, they gave us that, yeah, that's true. 204 00:08:34,813 --> 00:08:36,282 MAN: Yeah, and the sanitation. 205 00:08:36,314 --> 00:08:37,549 MAN: Oh yeah, the sanitation. 206 00:08:37,582 --> 00:08:39,584 Remember what the city used to be like, Reg? 207 00:08:39,617 --> 00:08:41,152 Yeah, yeah, all right. 208 00:08:41,185 --> 00:08:42,187 I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation, 209 00:08:42,221 --> 00:08:44,289 two things the Romans have done! 210 00:08:44,323 --> 00:08:45,424 MAN: And the roads! 211 00:08:45,457 --> 00:08:47,159 Well, yeah, obviously the roads go without saying. 212 00:08:47,192 --> 00:08:48,360 But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, 213 00:08:48,393 --> 00:08:49,261 and the roads... 214 00:08:49,294 --> 00:08:50,261 COMMANDO: Irrigation. 215 00:08:50,294 --> 00:08:51,097 MAN: Medicine. 216 00:08:51,130 --> 00:08:51,730 COMMANDO: Education. 217 00:08:51,763 --> 00:08:52,832 Yeah, yeah, all right. 218 00:08:52,865 --> 00:08:53,933 COMMANDO: And the wine. 219 00:08:53,966 --> 00:08:56,235 Yeah, that's the one thing we really would miss, 220 00:08:56,268 --> 00:08:58,204 if the Romans weren't here. 221 00:08:58,236 --> 00:08:59,337 Yeah, but apart from the sanitation, 222 00:08:59,371 --> 00:09:01,774 the medicine, the education, the wine, 223 00:09:01,807 --> 00:09:03,509 public order, irrigation, roads, 224 00:09:03,542 --> 00:09:05,878 a fresh water system and public health, 225 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:09,147 what have the Romans ever done for us? 226 00:09:09,180 --> 00:09:11,483 George played Mr. Papadopoulos, 227 00:09:11,516 --> 00:09:12,717 the man who had the mount 228 00:09:12,750 --> 00:09:14,319 to give him the mount for the day. 229 00:09:14,352 --> 00:09:16,888 Unfortunately, we couldn't use his voice in the end 230 00:09:16,922 --> 00:09:18,557 because just the general noise, 231 00:09:18,590 --> 00:09:19,792 you couldn't hear anything. 232 00:09:19,824 --> 00:09:23,828 So I had to dub his voice, unfortunately. 233 00:09:23,861 --> 00:09:25,530 "Hello, good evening." 234 00:09:25,563 --> 00:09:27,232 Once The Beatles broke up, 235 00:09:27,265 --> 00:09:28,800 it was clear that George liked the idea 236 00:09:28,833 --> 00:09:30,236 of being part of another group, 237 00:09:30,269 --> 00:09:32,238 and the Python gang was one 238 00:09:32,270 --> 00:09:33,738 that he admired what we did, 239 00:09:33,771 --> 00:09:35,140 he thought it was wonderful. 240 00:09:35,174 --> 00:09:37,375 He got involved, and oddly enough, 241 00:09:37,409 --> 00:09:38,878 as we were editing, 242 00:09:38,910 --> 00:09:40,411 he was there for a bit, 243 00:09:40,444 --> 00:09:43,181 and then he absented himself 244 00:09:43,215 --> 00:09:44,383 'cause he just thought, 245 00:09:44,415 --> 00:09:46,318 well, he thought these guys were geniuses 246 00:09:46,351 --> 00:09:48,287 and they knew exactly what they were doing. 247 00:09:48,319 --> 00:09:49,254 No, there's constant fighting, 248 00:09:49,288 --> 00:09:51,356 and that was always the strength of the group. 249 00:09:51,390 --> 00:09:53,792 He decided maybe it was best to know 250 00:09:53,824 --> 00:09:56,194 a little less about how we worked as a group, 251 00:09:56,227 --> 00:09:57,962 because it was probably as fractious 252 00:09:57,996 --> 00:09:58,963 as "The Beatles" were. 253 00:09:58,996 --> 00:10:01,900 I suppose we weren't interested 254 00:10:01,933 --> 00:10:03,802 the fights within The Beatles, 255 00:10:03,834 --> 00:10:05,203 or we didn't want to know, 256 00:10:05,236 --> 00:10:06,671 we just wanted to know the result, 257 00:10:06,704 --> 00:10:09,207 and I think that's what intrigued him, 258 00:10:09,241 --> 00:10:11,611 the result, not the way to get there. 259 00:10:12,744 --> 00:10:13,646 Well, the new Monty Python film 260 00:10:13,678 --> 00:10:15,313 is entitled "The Life of Brian". 261 00:10:15,347 --> 00:10:17,183 It is a spoof of "The Life of Christ", 262 00:10:17,216 --> 00:10:18,650 and has managed to offend just about 263 00:10:18,683 --> 00:10:20,818 every religious group in the city. 264 00:10:20,851 --> 00:10:23,188 Well, today the Citizen's Committee Against Blasphemy 265 00:10:23,222 --> 00:10:25,256 took to the streets to protest the film. 266 00:10:25,289 --> 00:10:28,260 The rabbis and priests said the film debases Christ, 267 00:10:28,293 --> 00:10:30,428 Judaism, and the Holy scriptures, 268 00:10:30,462 --> 00:10:31,963 and they want the film pulled. 269 00:10:31,996 --> 00:10:33,765 The Jews were marching against us, 270 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:35,500 the Protestants were marching against us, 271 00:10:35,534 --> 00:10:37,202 the Catholics were marching against us. 272 00:10:37,236 --> 00:10:39,337 We did it all, one film. 273 00:10:39,371 --> 00:10:40,505 (LAUGHING) 274 00:10:40,539 --> 00:10:42,775 They were demonstrating outside of Warner Brother Films 275 00:10:42,808 --> 00:10:45,311 in New York, and everybody was showing 276 00:10:45,343 --> 00:10:48,213 film clips on TV saying how rotten it was, 277 00:10:48,246 --> 00:10:50,216 but actually it was very good, 278 00:10:50,249 --> 00:10:52,017 Christ came out of it fine, 279 00:10:52,049 --> 00:10:55,020 it was completely the point about how 280 00:10:55,053 --> 00:10:57,222 idiotic the people are. 281 00:10:57,255 --> 00:10:59,725 My mother, who's a good Christian, 282 00:10:59,757 --> 00:11:02,961 church every Sunday, she saw the film 283 00:11:02,995 --> 00:11:03,895 and she didn't understand what 284 00:11:03,928 --> 00:11:05,297 people were talking about, 285 00:11:05,329 --> 00:11:07,398 because it wasn't attacking Jesus, 286 00:11:07,432 --> 00:11:10,603 it was attacking all the fools around. 287 00:11:10,635 --> 00:11:12,837 Look, he has given us a sign. 288 00:11:12,871 --> 00:11:14,774 He has given us a shoe. 289 00:11:16,341 --> 00:11:17,775 A shoe is the sign! 290 00:11:17,808 --> 00:11:19,344 Let us follow his example! 291 00:11:19,377 --> 00:11:20,411 What do you mean? 292 00:11:20,444 --> 00:11:22,013 Let us like him, carry one shoe, 293 00:11:22,047 --> 00:11:23,949 and let the other be upon our foot, 294 00:11:23,981 --> 00:11:25,351 for this is his sign 295 00:11:25,384 --> 00:11:27,486 that all who follow him shall do likewise! 296 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:28,921 No, no, no, no! 297 00:11:28,953 --> 00:11:32,757 The shoe is a sign that we must gather shoes in abundance. 298 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:34,025 No, no, it is a sign that like Him, 299 00:11:34,058 --> 00:11:36,361 we must think not of the things of the body, 300 00:11:36,395 --> 00:11:37,829 but of the face and head! 301 00:11:37,862 --> 00:11:38,963 FOLLOWER: Give me your shoe! 302 00:11:38,996 --> 00:11:39,897 MAN: No, get off! 303 00:11:39,930 --> 00:11:40,898 FOLLOWER: It's a sandal! 304 00:11:40,932 --> 00:11:42,301 MAN: No, it's not! 305 00:11:42,333 --> 00:11:43,334 WOMAN: Cast it away! 306 00:11:43,367 --> 00:11:44,502 MAN: Keep one on! 307 00:11:44,535 --> 00:11:45,770 FOLLOWER: Clear off! 308 00:11:45,803 --> 00:11:46,938 Which one, this one? 309 00:11:46,972 --> 00:11:47,740 PRODUCER: Yeah, yeah. 310 00:11:47,773 --> 00:11:48,841 Okay. 311 00:11:48,874 --> 00:11:50,609 And, action. 312 00:11:50,641 --> 00:11:52,810 George rang and said, "What are you doing now?" 313 00:11:52,843 --> 00:11:54,879 And I said, well, I'm not doing very much. 314 00:11:54,913 --> 00:11:57,650 He said, well, I think I've got a film company. 315 00:11:57,683 --> 00:11:59,617 Why don't you be me in the office? 316 00:11:59,650 --> 00:12:03,289 Ray was a very special character in this mix, 317 00:12:03,322 --> 00:12:05,624 because he was George's voice in many ways. 318 00:12:05,656 --> 00:12:08,326 MAN: Ray was really the guy that knew scripts 319 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,428 better than anybody else. 320 00:12:09,461 --> 00:12:11,330 He was much more to do with 321 00:12:11,362 --> 00:12:12,797 picking the right material for them, 322 00:12:12,831 --> 00:12:16,101 and you know, selecting what to make. 323 00:12:16,134 --> 00:12:18,103 Ray's fantastic in development, 324 00:12:18,135 --> 00:12:19,938 fantastic in post-production, 325 00:12:19,971 --> 00:12:22,073 and on the set, he wouldn't interfere 326 00:12:22,106 --> 00:12:24,076 unless there was creative issues, 327 00:12:24,108 --> 00:12:25,610 because he lets the filmmakers make 328 00:12:25,644 --> 00:12:26,845 what they want to make. 329 00:12:26,877 --> 00:12:29,647 And he became a very, very important bridge 330 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:30,815 between the artistic, if you'd like, 331 00:12:30,848 --> 00:12:33,919 and the sort of financial priorities, 332 00:12:33,952 --> 00:12:35,120 which were Denis's. 333 00:12:35,153 --> 00:12:38,557 Ray Cooper is one of the most brilliant percussionists 334 00:12:38,590 --> 00:12:41,960 in rock history, and Ray played with Elton John, 335 00:12:41,992 --> 00:12:43,628 and played with everyone. 336 00:12:43,661 --> 00:12:45,129 DICK: If you watch him on stage, 337 00:12:45,163 --> 00:12:48,000 the lovely thing is he's extraordinarily diffident 338 00:12:48,033 --> 00:12:49,101 until he's actually on, 339 00:12:49,134 --> 00:12:51,003 and then he's a raving maniac. 340 00:12:51,035 --> 00:12:54,073 (CATCHY PIANO MUSIC) 341 00:12:57,409 --> 00:12:59,912 It seemed to us to be a very extraordinary leap 342 00:12:59,944 --> 00:13:03,015 that suddenly Ray was now somebody important 343 00:13:03,048 --> 00:13:04,549 in a film company. 344 00:13:04,582 --> 00:13:07,687 (CATCHY PIANO MUSIC) 345 00:13:09,053 --> 00:13:11,089 Originally, when we needed a name for the company 346 00:13:13,391 --> 00:13:16,427 I thought of calling it British HandMade Films 347 00:13:16,461 --> 00:13:18,897 because I'd seen it on a watermark 348 00:13:18,929 --> 00:13:22,534 on a piece of paper, it said British Handmade Paper. 349 00:13:22,567 --> 00:13:24,837 The sad thing was George wanted to call it 350 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:28,874 British HandMade Films, but we weren't allowed to. 351 00:13:28,906 --> 00:13:30,375 Which is strange because, you know, 352 00:13:30,409 --> 00:13:33,611 all the nationalized British industries 353 00:13:33,645 --> 00:13:36,115 are all the ones that lose a lot of money, 354 00:13:36,148 --> 00:13:37,883 so I take it that's the reason 355 00:13:37,915 --> 00:13:40,051 you have to lose a lot of money first 356 00:13:40,084 --> 00:13:41,619 before they let you call it British. 357 00:13:41,653 --> 00:13:44,123 So, it was HandMade Films, 358 00:13:44,155 --> 00:13:46,625 and I drew a little logo, 359 00:13:46,658 --> 00:13:48,026 and we were in business. 360 00:13:48,058 --> 00:13:50,129 I met Eric Idle at a party, 361 00:13:50,161 --> 00:13:53,698 and "Life of Brian" had really taken off, 362 00:13:53,731 --> 00:13:55,400 and I said "Hey, you must've made a fortune 363 00:13:55,433 --> 00:13:56,534 "out of "Life of Brian", 364 00:13:56,568 --> 00:13:58,569 "do you want to buy a film?" 365 00:13:58,602 --> 00:14:01,106 And he said, "Yeah, well, let's have a look at it." 366 00:14:01,139 --> 00:14:04,076 (DRAMATIC MUSIC) 367 00:14:06,678 --> 00:14:08,212 (EXPLOSION BOOMS) 368 00:14:08,246 --> 00:14:11,884 I'd always loved American gangster films, 369 00:14:11,917 --> 00:14:13,485 especially Bogart films, 370 00:14:13,518 --> 00:14:14,686 and there's a kind of fantasy 371 00:14:14,718 --> 00:14:16,154 of wanting to write a film noir, 372 00:14:16,188 --> 00:14:18,090 and if Bogart had been a Cockney, 373 00:14:18,122 --> 00:14:19,924 if he'd of been born in East London, 374 00:14:19,957 --> 00:14:21,226 so that was the kind of starting point 375 00:14:21,259 --> 00:14:23,128 character like that. 376 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,595 Well, the idea was presented to me 377 00:14:24,629 --> 00:14:25,931 in a form of a script, 378 00:14:25,963 --> 00:14:28,599 it was given to a friend of mine, Barry Hanson, 379 00:14:28,632 --> 00:14:31,536 who had worked with Barrie Keeffe, a writer. 380 00:14:31,569 --> 00:14:34,640 They had thought of doing a British gangster movie. 381 00:14:34,673 --> 00:14:35,808 (GUN FIRING) 382 00:14:35,841 --> 00:14:38,143 He gave me this early script, 383 00:14:38,175 --> 00:14:41,779 one of the first of the many rewrites 384 00:14:41,813 --> 00:14:43,682 we actually eventually did, 385 00:14:43,715 --> 00:14:46,785 and I just thought the central idea was great. 386 00:14:46,818 --> 00:14:48,187 We stumbled on the idea that usually 387 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:50,222 it's a Mr. Peak, and there's the young contender 388 00:14:50,255 --> 00:14:52,890 gonna overtake him, and that's the power struggle, 389 00:14:52,924 --> 00:14:54,159 but I thought that had been done so often 390 00:14:54,192 --> 00:14:55,928 and was kind of tiresome. 391 00:14:55,961 --> 00:14:59,031 At the same time, there was that Easter weekend coming up, 392 00:14:59,063 --> 00:15:01,098 and on the radio they were talking all the time 393 00:15:01,131 --> 00:15:04,035 about the quietest Good Friday in Belfast 394 00:15:04,068 --> 00:15:05,536 since the troubles had began, 395 00:15:05,569 --> 00:15:08,140 and that started to fall into place then, 396 00:15:08,173 --> 00:15:11,677 setting it against not another Mr. Peak, 397 00:15:11,709 --> 00:15:13,177 but another organization, 398 00:15:13,211 --> 00:15:15,514 and the kind of theme of it was 399 00:15:15,547 --> 00:15:17,282 gangsterism versus terrorism. 400 00:15:17,314 --> 00:15:20,986 Terrorism fighting for an ideal, in quotes, 401 00:15:21,019 --> 00:15:22,688 or gangsterism fighting just for money, 402 00:15:22,721 --> 00:15:24,022 and who's going to win, 403 00:15:24,054 --> 00:15:26,257 so that was the kind of theme. 404 00:15:26,290 --> 00:15:29,527 (DRAMATIC MUSIC) 405 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,230 (EXPLOSION BOOMS) 406 00:15:37,302 --> 00:15:40,906 Bob, was for me, crucial to the part, 407 00:15:40,938 --> 00:15:44,208 and he gave me all the nuances of the character 408 00:15:44,241 --> 00:15:45,977 that I really wanted. 409 00:15:47,245 --> 00:15:48,847 I suppose it was me. 410 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,249 The character was me, 411 00:15:50,281 --> 00:15:52,617 apart from being a gangster. 412 00:15:52,650 --> 00:15:54,051 You know, sort of quite emotional, 413 00:15:54,084 --> 00:15:57,689 sort of always going the stray route. 414 00:15:58,890 --> 00:16:01,058 You know, I didn't have to work hard, 415 00:16:01,092 --> 00:16:02,260 that was who I was. 416 00:16:02,293 --> 00:16:05,264 I wanted him to be a very three dimensional character. 417 00:16:06,364 --> 00:16:08,100 It was strange, because I wrote it before 418 00:16:08,132 --> 00:16:10,201 Thatcher had come to power, 419 00:16:10,235 --> 00:16:12,770 but he was a very much a Thatcherite man, wasn't he? 420 00:16:12,803 --> 00:16:15,774 A personification of all she stood for. 421 00:16:15,807 --> 00:16:18,177 Our country's not an island anymore! 422 00:16:19,209 --> 00:16:22,213 We're a leading European state. 423 00:16:22,246 --> 00:16:23,615 ALL: Right! 424 00:16:23,648 --> 00:16:27,753 And I believe that this is the decade 425 00:16:27,785 --> 00:16:32,056 in which London will become Europe's capital. 426 00:16:33,891 --> 00:16:36,361 No other city in the world 427 00:16:36,394 --> 00:16:39,331 has got right in its center, 428 00:16:39,364 --> 00:16:43,269 such an opportunity for profitable progress! 429 00:16:45,169 --> 00:16:47,305 I agreed to do the film because 430 00:16:47,338 --> 00:16:49,574 Barrie said he would make my particular role 431 00:16:49,607 --> 00:16:51,142 much more interesting, 432 00:16:51,175 --> 00:16:53,844 and as often happens... 433 00:16:53,877 --> 00:16:55,112 Have a nice Easter. 434 00:16:55,145 --> 00:16:57,282 Other things were more important at the time, 435 00:16:57,314 --> 00:17:00,952 really none of my questions had been addressed, 436 00:17:00,986 --> 00:17:03,688 so then I was in a very awkward position, 437 00:17:03,721 --> 00:17:05,923 because I kind of signed up for something 438 00:17:05,957 --> 00:17:08,694 only understanding that this would be done, 439 00:17:08,726 --> 00:17:10,161 and it hadn't been done. 440 00:17:10,195 --> 00:17:11,163 You don't get Helen, 441 00:17:11,196 --> 00:17:13,631 someone as intelligent as Helen, 442 00:17:13,665 --> 00:17:16,134 who's obviously intelligent, to play a bimbo. 443 00:17:16,167 --> 00:17:19,705 HELEN: So, basically the role got developed 444 00:17:19,737 --> 00:17:21,273 while we shot. 445 00:17:21,305 --> 00:17:23,140 BARRIE: Helen's input made the character 446 00:17:23,173 --> 00:17:24,942 a lot stronger than she had been. 447 00:17:24,976 --> 00:17:27,044 She was classy, and she was educated, 448 00:17:27,078 --> 00:17:31,717 and that was her contribution to his world. 449 00:17:31,749 --> 00:17:32,950 We'll plate it up, all right? 450 00:17:32,984 --> 00:17:34,953 You went to school with Princess Anne, 451 00:17:34,986 --> 00:17:36,188 played hockey with her, all that. 452 00:17:36,220 --> 00:17:37,288 There's lacrosse at Benenden, 453 00:17:37,322 --> 00:17:38,823 hockey's frightfully vulgar. 454 00:17:38,857 --> 00:17:40,659 Yes, yes, plenty of that, yeah. 455 00:17:40,691 --> 00:17:42,193 I think she would've preferred 456 00:17:42,226 --> 00:17:44,295 to have had a machine gun at some stage in it, 457 00:17:44,329 --> 00:17:47,666 but I thought she was absolutely wonderful, 458 00:17:47,698 --> 00:17:51,303 and she was the power behind the throne, absolutely. 459 00:17:52,336 --> 00:17:53,671 The great organization, 460 00:17:53,705 --> 00:17:54,973 it was a subsidiary of that, 461 00:17:55,005 --> 00:17:56,775 and we had kind of absolute freedom, 462 00:17:56,807 --> 00:17:58,342 they weren't involved in what we were doing 463 00:17:58,376 --> 00:17:59,778 at all, actually. 464 00:17:59,811 --> 00:18:03,115 And until the film was finished, 465 00:18:03,148 --> 00:18:04,249 the rough cut of it, 466 00:18:05,283 --> 00:18:06,284 Barry Hanson was working with, 467 00:18:06,316 --> 00:18:07,685 he knew what it was all about. 468 00:18:07,718 --> 00:18:10,389 But the people that put the money into it 469 00:18:10,421 --> 00:18:12,390 had no idea until they actually saw it. 470 00:18:12,423 --> 00:18:15,026 I still remember being called to a meeting, 471 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:16,227 they said "We can't show this film, 472 00:18:16,261 --> 00:18:18,764 "it's IRA propaganda. 473 00:18:18,796 --> 00:18:20,064 "If we show this in our cinemas, 474 00:18:20,098 --> 00:18:22,134 "the IRA will start blowing them up." 475 00:18:22,167 --> 00:18:23,235 I remember saying, 476 00:18:23,267 --> 00:18:24,502 "Well, if it's IRA propaganda, 477 00:18:24,535 --> 00:18:26,203 "why are they going to blow up your cinemas for showing it?" 478 00:18:26,236 --> 00:18:27,406 And they said to me, 479 00:18:27,438 --> 00:18:30,108 "Don't get fucking intellectual with me." 480 00:18:30,140 --> 00:18:31,243 Which I took as a compliment 481 00:18:31,275 --> 00:18:32,943 poorly expressed, of course. 482 00:18:32,976 --> 00:18:34,178 Eventually they said, 483 00:18:34,211 --> 00:18:36,313 "All right, you can buy the film." 484 00:18:36,346 --> 00:18:37,415 I thought well, yeah. 485 00:18:38,248 --> 00:18:39,217 You know what I mean? 486 00:18:39,249 --> 00:18:40,184 Yeah, thanks. 487 00:18:40,217 --> 00:18:42,787 Bob met Eric at a party, 488 00:18:42,821 --> 00:18:44,055 and Eric said "What are you doing?" 489 00:18:44,089 --> 00:18:45,157 And he said, "I just finished this film, 490 00:18:45,189 --> 00:18:47,058 "we can't get it shown." 491 00:18:47,092 --> 00:18:48,360 And it was obviously a very good film, 492 00:18:48,392 --> 00:18:52,496 and it was obviously gonna work with an audience. 493 00:18:52,530 --> 00:18:55,834 And so I just called them up at HandMade and said, 494 00:18:55,867 --> 00:18:57,335 "Listen, you can't lose with this one, 495 00:18:57,368 --> 00:18:58,870 "it's a winner, my boys." 496 00:18:58,902 --> 00:18:59,938 Buy this. 497 00:18:59,970 --> 00:19:00,871 I actually had spoken to George 498 00:19:00,905 --> 00:19:02,040 about "The Long Good Friday", 499 00:19:02,073 --> 00:19:02,974 and he said 500 00:19:03,007 --> 00:19:04,241 "if I would've known it was that violent, 501 00:19:04,275 --> 00:19:05,177 "I wouldn't of taken it on, 502 00:19:05,209 --> 00:19:06,178 "I wouldn't of paid." 503 00:19:06,210 --> 00:19:07,746 Because he never saw it. 504 00:19:07,778 --> 00:19:09,380 But, well, they bought it cheap, 505 00:19:09,413 --> 00:19:10,881 and I said well, get this one in. 506 00:19:10,915 --> 00:19:12,050 I wasn't putting one over on him, 507 00:19:12,082 --> 00:19:14,386 but he said, "If I would've known it was that violent, 508 00:19:14,419 --> 00:19:15,754 "I wouldn't of bought it." 509 00:19:15,786 --> 00:19:16,921 "Chariots of Fire" from England 510 00:19:16,955 --> 00:19:18,223 just won the Best Picture Oscar, 511 00:19:18,255 --> 00:19:20,324 and now another British film will, I predict, 512 00:19:20,358 --> 00:19:21,927 be a very big hit in America, 513 00:19:21,959 --> 00:19:24,929 it is called "A Long Good Friday". 514 00:19:24,963 --> 00:19:26,198 It is a gangster movie, 515 00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:28,099 and it stars Bob Hoskins, 516 00:19:28,132 --> 00:19:30,235 one of Britain's best actors, good morning. 517 00:19:30,267 --> 00:19:32,169 Not expecting anything from America, 518 00:19:32,203 --> 00:19:33,872 I thought they would think it was a 519 00:19:33,905 --> 00:19:38,210 phony imitation of American mobster and gangster films. 520 00:19:38,243 --> 00:19:41,246 Everybody's comparing you do Edward G. Robinson 521 00:19:41,278 --> 00:19:43,547 and Jimmy Cagney, you know? 522 00:19:43,581 --> 00:19:46,150 "Little Caesar", and those great gangster pictures 523 00:19:46,184 --> 00:19:47,085 of the 30s. 524 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,153 What do you feel when you hear yourself 525 00:19:48,186 --> 00:19:49,454 compared to those guys? 526 00:19:49,486 --> 00:19:52,423 Very, very flattered, incredibly flattered. 527 00:19:52,457 --> 00:19:57,463 But we tried to make a really British gangster, you know? 528 00:19:58,595 --> 00:20:00,198 It's very difficult to do a gangster 529 00:20:00,230 --> 00:20:02,534 without slipping into a little bit of Cagney 530 00:20:02,566 --> 00:20:04,135 and Edward G. in there, 531 00:20:04,169 --> 00:20:06,537 'cause they are the gangsters, aren't they? 532 00:20:06,571 --> 00:20:08,140 It was an absolute surprise, 533 00:20:08,172 --> 00:20:09,207 the reaction in America, 534 00:20:09,239 --> 00:20:12,243 and it was delight of course, yeah. 535 00:20:12,276 --> 00:20:14,211 Ladies and gentlemen, in our brief few minutes, 536 00:20:14,245 --> 00:20:17,181 I just wanted you to meet Bob Hoskins 537 00:20:17,215 --> 00:20:18,216 who has flown in from England 538 00:20:18,248 --> 00:20:19,583 to be on the Today program. 539 00:20:19,617 --> 00:20:21,086 I think he is an actor, 540 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,388 already celebrated in Great Britain, 541 00:20:23,420 --> 00:20:26,257 who will become very famous in the United States, 542 00:20:26,291 --> 00:20:27,958 and one of his reasons for that 543 00:20:27,992 --> 00:20:32,164 is his performance in "The Long Good Friday". 544 00:20:32,197 --> 00:20:34,366 It's a terrific gangster movie. 545 00:20:34,399 --> 00:20:36,168 Thank you very much for being with us. 546 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,169 Cheers. 547 00:20:37,201 --> 00:20:40,971 (LIGHTHEARTED MUSIC) 548 00:20:41,005 --> 00:20:44,342 George's passion and enthusiasm and support 549 00:20:44,374 --> 00:20:47,244 in the initial days were that he would pay for, 550 00:20:47,277 --> 00:20:49,246 and-or make the money available, 551 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,949 which was extraordinary. 552 00:20:50,982 --> 00:20:52,217 So there was no, 553 00:20:52,249 --> 00:20:53,184 "Well, we'll look at the script, and yeah, 554 00:20:53,217 --> 00:20:55,085 "now we've gotta go out and get the money, 555 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,922 "and we have to piece that one together and all that, 556 00:20:56,955 --> 00:20:58,122 piece of money's fallen out a bit." 557 00:20:58,156 --> 00:20:59,491 So we did none of that. 558 00:20:59,524 --> 00:21:01,458 It was, if you got a green light at HandMade, 559 00:21:01,492 --> 00:21:05,230 it was because it was gonna go, it was green-lit. 560 00:21:05,263 --> 00:21:06,097 That was it. 561 00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:08,132 If you are involved with HandMade, 562 00:21:08,166 --> 00:21:10,569 the possibilities are quite extraordinary. 563 00:21:10,601 --> 00:21:14,104 You could just come up with a lollipop wrapper, 564 00:21:14,138 --> 00:21:17,141 and say I want to make a film about this character 565 00:21:17,175 --> 00:21:18,510 on the lollipop wrapper. 566 00:21:19,444 --> 00:21:20,312 Yeah? 567 00:21:20,344 --> 00:21:21,145 (CHUCKLING) 568 00:21:21,178 --> 00:21:24,349 And then they'll listen. 569 00:21:24,381 --> 00:21:26,116 I used to come across scripts 570 00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:28,018 that were almost car chase sequence 571 00:21:28,052 --> 00:21:30,222 from beginning to end, 572 00:21:30,255 --> 00:21:31,289 and I had no interest. 573 00:21:31,322 --> 00:21:32,623 And George wanted to know there was 574 00:21:32,657 --> 00:21:35,260 a story being told of human dimension. 575 00:21:36,261 --> 00:21:38,663 If I went in to say, Universal, 576 00:21:38,696 --> 00:21:41,300 and said, "Well, I've got this lollipop wrapper," 577 00:21:42,332 --> 00:21:44,268 "Yeah, Bob, great. 578 00:21:44,302 --> 00:21:45,136 "Lunch?" 579 00:21:45,169 --> 00:21:46,271 (LAUGHING) 580 00:21:46,303 --> 00:21:47,138 You know, it's get out of here. 581 00:21:47,170 --> 00:21:48,305 (LAUGHING) 582 00:21:48,339 --> 00:21:49,274 George was interested in making 583 00:21:50,140 --> 00:21:51,942 stuff that the Pythons wanted to make 584 00:21:51,976 --> 00:21:53,945 collectively, or individually. 585 00:21:53,977 --> 00:21:56,281 All I knew was that Terry Gilliam 586 00:21:56,313 --> 00:22:00,150 came with two sheets of paper with this idea on it, 587 00:22:00,184 --> 00:22:03,355 and it just sounded like a great idea. 588 00:22:03,388 --> 00:22:05,223 Terry came in and said, 589 00:22:05,255 --> 00:22:07,124 "I've got this great idea for a film. 590 00:22:07,158 --> 00:22:09,093 "This kid is in his bedroom, 591 00:22:09,127 --> 00:22:11,263 "and then the cupboard door bursts open, 592 00:22:11,295 --> 00:22:12,397 "a knight comes through, 593 00:22:13,965 --> 00:22:17,002 "and they go through into a time warp 594 00:22:17,034 --> 00:22:19,170 "and they're going from time to time." 595 00:22:21,205 --> 00:22:22,140 I said oh, that's good, yeah. 596 00:22:22,172 --> 00:22:24,008 He says, "Come, we'll go and tell Denis." 597 00:22:24,042 --> 00:22:24,943 (LAUGHING) 598 00:22:24,976 --> 00:22:27,912 So, we went to Cadogan Square 599 00:22:27,946 --> 00:22:29,347 to a meeting with Denis. 600 00:22:29,380 --> 00:22:30,314 Denis looks at me and says, 601 00:22:30,348 --> 00:22:32,350 "How much will it cost?" 602 00:22:32,382 --> 00:22:34,018 There was no script, there was nothing. 603 00:22:34,052 --> 00:22:38,255 So I invented a figure, I said "Three million pounds." 604 00:22:38,288 --> 00:22:39,657 So he said "Okay, off you go." 605 00:22:39,690 --> 00:22:43,193 And that was it, we were making "Time Bandits", 606 00:22:43,226 --> 00:22:44,361 we had no script, we had no nothing. 607 00:22:44,394 --> 00:22:47,698 We just got Terry with a guy coming through a cupboard, 608 00:22:47,732 --> 00:22:49,668 and me inventing a budget, you know, 609 00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:51,236 and that was it, we were off. 610 00:22:51,268 --> 00:22:53,971 (DRAMATIC MUSIC) 611 00:22:56,474 --> 00:22:57,475 Come on! 612 00:22:57,507 --> 00:22:59,311 KID: Who is that? 613 00:23:01,278 --> 00:23:04,282 Return what you have stolen from me. 614 00:23:06,351 --> 00:23:07,185 Return! 615 00:23:08,486 --> 00:23:09,720 Return the map. 616 00:23:11,322 --> 00:23:13,525 It will bring you great danger. 617 00:23:15,392 --> 00:23:16,227 Stop now! 618 00:23:19,229 --> 00:23:22,133 (DRAMATIC MUSIC) 619 00:23:23,501 --> 00:23:25,603 It was the second film Terry had done, 620 00:23:25,636 --> 00:23:27,138 it was a risk for you, 621 00:23:27,170 --> 00:23:28,974 and it was a risk for Denis to take on, 622 00:23:29,006 --> 00:23:32,243 because it was the most expensive movie that you'd done. 623 00:23:32,275 --> 00:23:33,410 Well, I think Terry is brilliant, 624 00:23:33,444 --> 00:23:36,047 he needs to make films, 625 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,749 and I think we need to make films 626 00:23:37,782 --> 00:23:39,351 with people like him. 627 00:23:39,383 --> 00:23:40,517 I wanted to make a film with a kid 628 00:23:40,551 --> 00:23:43,288 as the main character, 629 00:23:43,321 --> 00:23:46,190 but I didn't think it could hold the film together, 630 00:23:46,224 --> 00:23:49,159 so let's surround him with a gang the same height. 631 00:23:49,192 --> 00:23:50,594 Oh, they used to work for God, 632 00:23:50,628 --> 00:23:53,298 who helped create the universe, and they're bored, 633 00:23:53,331 --> 00:23:54,265 and they want to make money, 634 00:23:54,297 --> 00:23:56,333 and the idea of doing a robbery 635 00:23:56,367 --> 00:24:00,138 and then escaping before the robbery ever happened 636 00:24:00,170 --> 00:24:01,438 just seemed a simple idea, 637 00:24:01,471 --> 00:24:04,408 and it started like that, and then went to Mike. 638 00:24:04,441 --> 00:24:08,212 He kind of just said, "Hey, do you want to 639 00:24:08,246 --> 00:24:09,281 "have a look at this? 640 00:24:10,848 --> 00:24:12,150 "It would be great if you could write it with me, 641 00:24:12,182 --> 00:24:13,717 "because you know, I don't write 642 00:24:13,751 --> 00:24:15,687 "but I've got all these ideas. 643 00:24:15,719 --> 00:24:17,087 "What do you think?" 644 00:24:17,121 --> 00:24:19,190 So, we discussed it, and I quite liked it. 645 00:24:20,557 --> 00:24:23,494 (LAUGHING) 646 00:24:23,527 --> 00:24:25,329 That's him! 647 00:24:25,362 --> 00:24:26,831 You're not gonna rob him? 648 00:24:26,863 --> 00:24:29,133 Yeah, every single penny he's got. 649 00:24:29,167 --> 00:24:30,334 I think the thing is, 650 00:24:30,368 --> 00:24:32,669 we collaborated on what period of history you would see. 651 00:24:32,703 --> 00:24:34,672 Whether that was Napoleon, or it was, you know, 652 00:24:34,705 --> 00:24:36,608 Ancient Greece, or Ancient Rome, whatever, 653 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,044 so I was able to sort of create those 654 00:24:39,076 --> 00:24:41,246 and keep a sort of serious comedy feel 655 00:24:41,278 --> 00:24:43,147 to the historical inset. 656 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:46,050 So it worked out, and we started writing on it. 657 00:24:46,083 --> 00:24:47,685 There was another issue, 658 00:24:47,717 --> 00:24:52,223 which was very important at the time for HandMade, 659 00:24:52,255 --> 00:24:54,258 it was, was this a Python film, 660 00:24:54,292 --> 00:24:55,393 or was it not a Python film? 661 00:24:55,426 --> 00:24:56,628 I was involved in the film, 662 00:24:56,660 --> 00:24:58,263 so I said we must make quite sure 663 00:24:58,295 --> 00:25:00,265 this isn't a Python film, 'cause it isn't. 664 00:25:00,297 --> 00:25:02,099 I mean, even though four Pythons were in it, 665 00:25:02,132 --> 00:25:03,200 I think, in the end. 666 00:25:03,234 --> 00:25:04,769 "Time Bandits", was that right? 667 00:25:04,802 --> 00:25:06,670 Denis was very excited 'cause he could see 668 00:25:06,704 --> 00:25:07,605 there were a lot of roles 669 00:25:07,638 --> 00:25:09,274 for a lot of Pythons in here. 670 00:25:09,306 --> 00:25:10,474 Like in "Holy Grail". 671 00:25:10,507 --> 00:25:12,443 So from his point of view, 672 00:25:12,476 --> 00:25:13,678 it made real sense. 673 00:25:13,710 --> 00:25:16,113 Very, very tricky area indeed, 674 00:25:16,147 --> 00:25:17,082 and you could feel that you were being 675 00:25:17,114 --> 00:25:21,251 led down some sort of dangerous path here 676 00:25:21,284 --> 00:25:23,287 of having to get the money because it was Python, 677 00:25:23,321 --> 00:25:25,790 but at the same time saying it's not a Python film. 678 00:25:25,823 --> 00:25:29,093 And so, then, the next thing is, okay, 679 00:25:29,127 --> 00:25:30,762 now we need a part for John. 680 00:25:30,794 --> 00:25:32,796 I think it was Denis that might've suggested Robin Hood. 681 00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:35,867 I said, well, Mike's already playing Robin Hood. 682 00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:38,236 "Wouldn't John be a little bit better?" 683 00:25:38,268 --> 00:25:39,470 (CHUCKLING) 684 00:25:39,504 --> 00:25:42,307 And Mike being Mike, being a nice guy, 685 00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:44,576 agreed that John would be really good. 686 00:25:44,609 --> 00:25:47,245 Hello, I'm Hood. 687 00:25:47,277 --> 00:25:47,911 It's Robin Hood. 688 00:25:47,945 --> 00:25:49,313 And he was brilliant! 689 00:25:49,346 --> 00:25:51,482 Much, much better than I could ever have done. 690 00:25:51,515 --> 00:25:53,150 (LAUGHING) 691 00:25:53,184 --> 00:25:55,220 And you're a robber too, how long have you been a robber? 692 00:25:55,253 --> 00:25:55,919 4'1. 693 00:25:55,953 --> 00:25:57,755 Good Lord! 694 00:25:57,787 --> 00:25:59,423 Jolly good, 4'1? 695 00:25:59,457 --> 00:26:00,658 Yes. 696 00:26:00,690 --> 00:26:02,794 Well, that is a long time, isn't it? 697 00:26:02,826 --> 00:26:06,196 And then Denis, "Oh, we can't lose Michael, 698 00:26:06,229 --> 00:26:07,364 "he's a Python. 699 00:26:07,398 --> 00:26:08,867 "He's got it on his name tape." 700 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:12,169 So, I wrote myself in as one of the starstruck lovers, 701 00:26:12,203 --> 00:26:14,172 along with Shelley Duvall. 702 00:26:14,205 --> 00:26:15,573 With memorable lines like... 703 00:26:15,605 --> 00:26:16,807 I must have fruit! 704 00:26:16,841 --> 00:26:19,577 Now we've got three Pythons now, 705 00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:20,879 we're not doing badly. 706 00:26:20,911 --> 00:26:23,581 And maybe that Beatle will get a song or two 707 00:26:23,613 --> 00:26:25,249 in there somewhere. 708 00:26:25,283 --> 00:26:27,952 There weren't any big stars in it really, wasn't there? 709 00:26:27,985 --> 00:26:28,887 Sean Connery. 710 00:26:28,919 --> 00:26:30,255 Sean Connery. 711 00:26:30,287 --> 00:26:32,323 But he's only bout 5'6, isn't he? 712 00:26:32,355 --> 00:26:33,757 (LAUGHING) 713 00:26:33,791 --> 00:26:36,895 John Cleese was the biggest star of the film, 714 00:26:36,928 --> 00:26:38,330 but he's 6'5. 715 00:26:39,362 --> 00:26:41,298 Thank you very much. 716 00:26:41,332 --> 00:26:43,368 Thank you very much! 717 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,571 Thank you very, very, very, very much! 718 00:26:48,805 --> 00:26:50,440 Awful people. 719 00:26:50,474 --> 00:26:51,576 I don't know how you got those people 720 00:26:51,609 --> 00:26:53,878 to be in the film, apart from offering them 721 00:26:53,910 --> 00:26:56,680 probably ludicrous rewards just for show. 722 00:26:56,714 --> 00:26:58,783 Money is the usual thing. 723 00:26:58,815 --> 00:27:01,619 That's why most of our films don't have big stars, 724 00:27:01,651 --> 00:27:05,157 is 'cause we don't give them enough money. 725 00:27:06,923 --> 00:27:08,325 Money is honey. 726 00:27:12,028 --> 00:27:14,398 Well, the Gods must have given you a name. 727 00:27:14,431 --> 00:27:17,235 Oh yeah, Kevin. 728 00:27:17,267 --> 00:27:18,269 Kevin? 729 00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:21,638 Each of these "Time Bandits" had different characters. 730 00:27:21,671 --> 00:27:25,209 One was the bossy one, one kept eating everything. 731 00:27:25,243 --> 00:27:27,712 Terry really fancied me for the part of Og, 732 00:27:27,745 --> 00:27:31,983 so I read for him, so he thought go a bit stupid tonight. 733 00:27:32,015 --> 00:27:35,253 I've got an idea forming in my head. 734 00:27:35,285 --> 00:27:38,222 You haven't had an idea for thousands of years! 735 00:27:38,255 --> 00:27:39,957 I learned a lot from it, 736 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:43,026 and that's not to go near water or let people 737 00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:44,396 hang you upside down. 738 00:27:46,764 --> 00:27:49,300 They were very dangerous scenes. 739 00:27:49,332 --> 00:27:51,236 Off with safety, it was gone. 740 00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:53,303 Oh, Pansy. 741 00:27:53,336 --> 00:27:55,372 No more what ifs now, Pansy. 742 00:27:56,474 --> 00:27:58,275 I remember just another instance of that. 743 00:27:58,309 --> 00:27:59,677 There's a scene where the Bandits 744 00:27:59,709 --> 00:28:01,411 fall on top of a coach 745 00:28:01,445 --> 00:28:03,581 which Shelley and myself were in. 746 00:28:03,613 --> 00:28:06,284 (LOUD CRASHING) 747 00:28:07,485 --> 00:28:08,820 Shelley was very worried, you know, 748 00:28:08,852 --> 00:28:10,321 about where they're gonna fall, 749 00:28:10,353 --> 00:28:11,288 how they're gonna fall. 750 00:28:11,322 --> 00:28:13,257 So Terry sort of showed her 751 00:28:13,291 --> 00:28:14,226 how they were gonna fall, 752 00:28:14,258 --> 00:28:15,892 and he sort of jumped off onto the coach. 753 00:28:15,926 --> 00:28:16,861 And as I demonstrated this, 754 00:28:16,893 --> 00:28:21,031 as I fell on top of the wagon, I fell wrongly. 755 00:28:21,064 --> 00:28:25,068 But fell through the roof, and knocked Shelley sideways. 756 00:28:25,101 --> 00:28:27,272 I think I almost broke her neck. 757 00:28:27,304 --> 00:28:30,341 I think a few vertebrates popped. 758 00:28:30,373 --> 00:28:32,576 And that was an embarrassing moment. 759 00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:35,313 And she was then off filming for about two days 760 00:28:35,345 --> 00:28:37,681 while they got her better. (CHUCKLING) 761 00:28:37,715 --> 00:28:39,417 And dear Terry was trying to do his best. 762 00:28:39,449 --> 00:28:41,451 "It's not gonna hurt, it's gonna be like this!" 763 00:28:41,485 --> 00:28:42,786 Ahh, crack. 764 00:28:44,421 --> 00:28:46,423 But at least I showed what not to do, 765 00:28:46,457 --> 00:28:47,691 which is as important as showing 766 00:28:47,725 --> 00:28:48,793 what to do in life. 767 00:28:50,727 --> 00:28:52,029 It was stressful because Terry Gilliam 768 00:28:52,063 --> 00:28:53,698 is very demanding. 769 00:28:53,730 --> 00:28:56,534 You're trying to achieve what he's got in his head, 770 00:28:56,566 --> 00:28:59,303 and nobody can achieve it because it's not possible. 771 00:28:59,336 --> 00:29:00,438 And that's the way he works, really, 772 00:29:00,470 --> 00:29:01,705 and sort of pushing the limits, 773 00:29:01,738 --> 00:29:02,640 saying I could do this, 774 00:29:02,672 --> 00:29:03,473 and you say no you can't, 775 00:29:03,506 --> 00:29:04,808 no one can ever do that. 776 00:29:04,842 --> 00:29:06,044 And he does it. 777 00:29:06,076 --> 00:29:07,644 Oh, Terry Gilliam falls out with almost 778 00:29:07,678 --> 00:29:09,680 everyone he's ever met, and doesn't speak to them 779 00:29:09,714 --> 00:29:11,749 for three years, you know? 780 00:29:11,782 --> 00:29:13,083 This is part of Terry's life. 781 00:29:13,117 --> 00:29:14,919 We had a few rows with Terry, 782 00:29:14,951 --> 00:29:19,656 but very small compared to the trouble he's had 783 00:29:19,689 --> 00:29:20,924 with recent films. 784 00:29:20,957 --> 00:29:22,627 Terry Gilliam is never satisfied with anything. 785 00:29:22,659 --> 00:29:24,762 He just made a 45 million dollar film 786 00:29:24,794 --> 00:29:26,630 and he's still complaining. 787 00:29:26,663 --> 00:29:27,564 (CHUCKLING) 788 00:29:27,598 --> 00:29:28,765 Didn't have enough money. 789 00:29:28,798 --> 00:29:30,000 (LAUGHING) 790 00:29:30,034 --> 00:29:31,669 He's just a silly old bitch, I mean... 791 00:29:33,070 --> 00:29:34,839 He's very sweet, I took him out to dinner last night. 792 00:29:34,871 --> 00:29:37,140 I paid, of course. 793 00:29:37,173 --> 00:29:39,409 Tight little American git. 794 00:29:39,442 --> 00:29:40,844 During all this time, 795 00:29:40,878 --> 00:29:45,049 I was having this little fight with Denis, as it were. 796 00:29:45,082 --> 00:29:47,351 And this is one I think George has decided 797 00:29:47,384 --> 00:29:50,721 at that point I was a complete, impossible asshole. 798 00:29:50,755 --> 00:29:52,622 Because I said, "Now, Denis, 799 00:29:52,656 --> 00:29:54,392 "Denis, you tried to change the end of this film, 800 00:29:54,425 --> 00:29:56,094 "you cannot change the end of this film. 801 00:29:56,127 --> 00:29:57,794 "The parents blow up, 802 00:29:57,828 --> 00:30:00,531 "because they didn't listen to good advice from their child. 803 00:30:00,563 --> 00:30:02,132 "The parents must be punished." 804 00:30:02,166 --> 00:30:04,034 "There's no way you can have a children's film 805 00:30:04,067 --> 00:30:05,569 "where the parents blow at the end." 806 00:30:05,602 --> 00:30:07,004 I say, "Ah, kids will love it." 807 00:30:07,036 --> 00:30:08,939 And Denis wouldn't stop, 808 00:30:08,973 --> 00:30:11,442 and I became the brick wall that he kept 809 00:30:11,475 --> 00:30:12,976 banging his head against, 810 00:30:13,009 --> 00:30:14,444 to the point that I finally said, 811 00:30:14,477 --> 00:30:16,781 "Denis, you see this piece of film? 812 00:30:16,813 --> 00:30:18,749 "That's the negative, I made that. 813 00:30:18,783 --> 00:30:20,418 "See this 10 penny nail? 814 00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:21,518 "I bought that. 815 00:30:22,486 --> 00:30:23,454 "I could do that. 816 00:30:23,486 --> 00:30:25,489 "If I made it, I can destroy it." 817 00:30:26,923 --> 00:30:28,058 It did stop him for a bit. 818 00:30:28,092 --> 00:30:29,726 (CHUCKLING) 819 00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:32,096 But George thought I was completely out of control. 820 00:30:32,963 --> 00:30:34,799 Mom, Dad, it's evil! 821 00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:38,403 Don't touch it! 822 00:30:39,236 --> 00:30:42,040 (EXPLOSION BOOMS) 823 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,175 At the end of "Time Bandits", 824 00:30:45,208 --> 00:30:46,576 we did have a song by George, 825 00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:48,513 and it was a lovely song, 826 00:30:48,545 --> 00:30:50,046 and then Ray Cooper said, 827 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,418 "You know, have you really listened to the lyrics?" 828 00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:55,685 I said, "No, they're lovely, why?" 829 00:30:55,718 --> 00:30:58,155 "Those are George's notes to you, 830 00:30:58,188 --> 00:30:59,489 "and it's all about time, 831 00:30:59,523 --> 00:31:00,858 "don't take up too much time." 832 00:31:00,890 --> 00:31:02,726 Ie, the length of the film is too long. 833 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,429 I should apologize because of my bad behavior. 834 00:31:05,463 --> 00:31:07,498 It was absolutely brilliant. 835 00:31:07,531 --> 00:31:10,101 A typical way of being as tough as George can be, 836 00:31:10,133 --> 00:31:13,570 and very direct and very honest and open, 837 00:31:13,603 --> 00:31:15,238 but being clever at the same time, 838 00:31:15,272 --> 00:31:17,508 disguising it amongst beautiful sounds. 839 00:31:17,541 --> 00:31:19,076 (LAUGHING) 840 00:31:19,109 --> 00:31:21,913 ♪ Lucky you got so far ♪ 841 00:31:21,946 --> 00:31:25,550 ♪ All you owe is apologies ♪ 842 00:31:28,084 --> 00:31:31,021 We made the film, and the studio saw the finished film, 843 00:31:31,054 --> 00:31:33,024 and said no. 844 00:31:33,056 --> 00:31:35,058 The executives in Hollywood had all got together 845 00:31:35,092 --> 00:31:36,794 and said, oh it doesn't work, because of this, 846 00:31:36,826 --> 00:31:38,161 because it's got small people. 847 00:31:38,195 --> 00:31:40,063 They couldn't understand who the audience would be. 848 00:31:40,096 --> 00:31:42,199 It wasn't just for kids, 849 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:45,069 it wasn't an adult film. 850 00:31:45,101 --> 00:31:48,171 Python fans, they're only a small number of people. 851 00:31:48,205 --> 00:31:50,707 They had no intention of releasing it. 852 00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:52,976 Denis decided to release it himself. 853 00:31:53,009 --> 00:31:55,145 Him and George would pay for the release. 854 00:31:55,178 --> 00:31:59,550 He decided to do what became called in the industry, 855 00:31:59,582 --> 00:32:01,084 the Time Bandits Deal. 856 00:32:01,118 --> 00:32:03,521 He did a deal with a company called AVCO Embassy 857 00:32:03,553 --> 00:32:05,089 who didn't have much of a slate at the time. 858 00:32:05,121 --> 00:32:07,691 Which were the smallest of the majors. 859 00:32:07,725 --> 00:32:10,495 They hadn't had a hit in 10 years, 860 00:32:10,527 --> 00:32:14,564 but they had a machine that could deal with distribution, 861 00:32:14,598 --> 00:32:16,767 and so we went with them, 862 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,205 George guaranteed five million dollars prints and ads, 863 00:32:21,237 --> 00:32:23,073 so off we went. 864 00:32:23,107 --> 00:32:25,643 And for Sean Connery to find out 865 00:32:25,676 --> 00:32:27,745 that not only had we financed the film, 866 00:32:27,777 --> 00:32:31,548 but we're now putting up an addition 5.5 million dollars, 867 00:32:31,582 --> 00:32:32,783 wherever he was in the world, 868 00:32:32,815 --> 00:32:33,717 he quickly grabbed the phone and called me, 869 00:32:33,751 --> 00:32:34,952 and he said, "You can't do this, 870 00:32:34,985 --> 00:32:36,487 "I mean you're absolutely mad. 871 00:32:37,621 --> 00:32:39,223 "No one does this." 872 00:32:39,255 --> 00:32:41,958 Well, everyone was looking at the big Christmas movies. 873 00:32:41,992 --> 00:32:43,861 And suddenly, there's a bit of a gap in November, 874 00:32:43,893 --> 00:32:45,662 no one has the big movies yet, 875 00:32:45,696 --> 00:32:47,164 and the summer movies have all gone. 876 00:32:47,197 --> 00:32:49,600 And into that gap, Denis managed 877 00:32:49,632 --> 00:32:51,869 to get "Time Bandits" inserted. 878 00:32:51,901 --> 00:32:53,938 No competition, nothing. 879 00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:55,205 We were on our own. 880 00:32:55,238 --> 00:32:56,873 The film was huge. 881 00:32:56,907 --> 00:32:59,210 We went to number one, and we sat there for weeks, 882 00:32:59,243 --> 00:33:01,212 and it was fantastic 'cause 883 00:33:01,245 --> 00:33:05,181 we just showed all you professionals are wrong again. 884 00:33:05,215 --> 00:33:06,951 (CHUCKLING) 885 00:33:06,984 --> 00:33:09,320 (GRAND MUSIC) 886 00:33:15,159 --> 00:33:17,661 And so the money just rolled in. 887 00:33:17,695 --> 00:33:18,796 TERRY: Those were heady days, 888 00:33:18,829 --> 00:33:20,665 it was heady time at HandMade. 889 00:33:20,698 --> 00:33:23,668 Last week however, HandMade hit the box office charts 890 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,069 with two films in the top five in London. 891 00:33:26,102 --> 00:33:27,871 We had "Life of Brian", a success, 892 00:33:27,905 --> 00:33:29,740 and "Time Bandits", bigger success, 893 00:33:29,773 --> 00:33:31,342 there was no way to stop us. 894 00:33:31,374 --> 00:33:32,676 What HandMade was doing 895 00:33:32,709 --> 00:33:35,313 with those two films in particular, 896 00:33:35,345 --> 00:33:38,114 we're showing people there's other ways 897 00:33:38,148 --> 00:33:40,751 to make films and succeed. 898 00:33:40,784 --> 00:33:43,053 Until Mike started making films. 899 00:33:43,086 --> 00:33:44,387 Oh sorry, what'd I say? 900 00:33:44,420 --> 00:33:46,756 (LAUGHING) 901 00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:49,561 (DRAMATIC MUSIC) 902 00:33:50,761 --> 00:33:52,964 So, Michael Palin, he'd done a TV show 903 00:33:52,996 --> 00:33:54,731 called "Ripping Yarns", 904 00:33:54,765 --> 00:33:56,967 and I was a big fan of that show, 905 00:33:57,001 --> 00:33:58,235 and I once said to him, 906 00:33:58,267 --> 00:34:00,103 why don't you write a big "Ripping Yarn"? 907 00:34:00,137 --> 00:34:02,974 I'd sort of felt it was time 908 00:34:03,006 --> 00:34:04,240 to try and write a film, 909 00:34:04,273 --> 00:34:07,210 and I had this idea about "The Missionary". 910 00:34:07,244 --> 00:34:09,412 It's a story about a missionary, 911 00:34:09,445 --> 00:34:11,648 and he decides to look after fallen women, 912 00:34:11,682 --> 00:34:13,785 or prostitutes, on the East End of London. 913 00:34:14,918 --> 00:34:17,153 So, what do you want me to do, my Lord? 914 00:34:17,186 --> 00:34:20,757 Go amongst prostitutes, Fortescue. 915 00:34:20,791 --> 00:34:22,426 Go to the filthiest streets of London 916 00:34:22,459 --> 00:34:25,863 into the back alleys, and behind the workhouses. 917 00:34:25,896 --> 00:34:27,832 Seek out the harlots and the street walkers, 918 00:34:27,865 --> 00:34:29,834 get to know them, get to understand them, 919 00:34:29,867 --> 00:34:32,035 win their confidences. 920 00:34:32,068 --> 00:34:35,139 Find out why they do what they do, 921 00:34:35,171 --> 00:34:36,374 and stop them doing it. 922 00:34:38,242 --> 00:34:39,744 Richard and I got on quite well. 923 00:34:39,776 --> 00:34:42,713 The idea of working with Michael was just a joy. 924 00:34:42,746 --> 00:34:44,749 We worked on the script together. 925 00:34:44,782 --> 00:34:46,751 I should think I probably contributed half a percent. 926 00:34:46,784 --> 00:34:48,251 Yeah, it was quite collaborative. 927 00:34:48,285 --> 00:34:50,388 And you cast actors like Maggie Smith, 928 00:34:50,421 --> 00:34:52,223 you just know they're gonna deliver. 929 00:34:52,256 --> 00:34:54,358 Well, England's very liberal after Africa, 930 00:34:54,390 --> 00:34:55,291 I assure you. 931 00:34:55,325 --> 00:34:57,093 Oh, do you really think so? 932 00:34:57,126 --> 00:34:59,896 I find it very stifling. 933 00:34:59,930 --> 00:35:00,698 Really? 934 00:35:00,731 --> 00:35:01,932 In what way? 935 00:35:01,965 --> 00:35:04,168 Well, I mean, well for instance, 936 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,237 I couldn't just go around saying that 937 00:35:08,405 --> 00:35:10,740 I find you very attractive. 938 00:35:10,773 --> 00:35:12,108 There are many wonderful sequence. 939 00:35:12,142 --> 00:35:13,744 The sequence where Michael goes 940 00:35:13,776 --> 00:35:16,213 to try and raise some money from this old Duke, 941 00:35:16,246 --> 00:35:18,282 and he goes in and the Duke's sitting there, 942 00:35:18,314 --> 00:35:20,251 and Michael's just pitching him this idea 943 00:35:20,284 --> 00:35:22,452 of raising money for his mission. 944 00:35:22,485 --> 00:35:23,853 It's all very well sending out missions 945 00:35:23,887 --> 00:35:26,756 to Indo-China, the Gambia, Somaliland, 946 00:35:26,789 --> 00:35:28,291 when the real problems are here, 947 00:35:28,325 --> 00:35:29,727 under our very noses. 948 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,461 Three quarters of the way through it, 949 00:35:30,494 --> 00:35:31,961 Michael's going, it's one take, 950 00:35:31,994 --> 00:35:34,297 suddenly a maid comes in. 951 00:35:34,331 --> 00:35:35,365 Emote in other's eyes, 952 00:35:35,398 --> 00:35:37,801 but not the beam in our own. 953 00:35:37,834 --> 00:35:39,403 Unless we can take up the battle 954 00:35:39,436 --> 00:35:43,307 to save and enlighten these wretched souls now, 955 00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:44,408 then the darkness of ignorance 956 00:35:44,441 --> 00:35:45,976 we see so clearly in others 957 00:35:46,008 --> 00:35:47,343 will engulf us all! 958 00:35:47,376 --> 00:35:49,447 And then a doctor comes in. 959 00:35:49,479 --> 00:35:51,081 To ignore what is going on, 960 00:35:51,115 --> 00:35:53,450 to pretend nothing is happening. 961 00:35:53,483 --> 00:35:55,985 We can begin the moral revival. 962 00:35:56,019 --> 00:35:57,455 The only line for anyone else is... 963 00:35:57,488 --> 00:36:00,291 I'm awfully sorry, but my husband has died. 964 00:36:02,191 --> 00:36:03,260 Died? 965 00:36:03,293 --> 00:36:04,361 Wonderful scene that Michael wrote 966 00:36:04,394 --> 00:36:06,796 and acted amazingly well. 967 00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:08,898 I'm most frightfully sorry, I shall be going. 968 00:36:08,932 --> 00:36:11,135 Oh no, it's I who should be sorry. 969 00:36:11,168 --> 00:36:14,204 It was really a breach of manners. 970 00:36:14,238 --> 00:36:15,106 I think "The Missionary" 971 00:36:15,139 --> 00:36:18,108 was pretty much how I wanted it to be, 972 00:36:18,142 --> 00:36:20,444 but I realized there was sort of weakness at the end 973 00:36:20,477 --> 00:36:21,846 where they all go off to Scotland. 974 00:36:21,878 --> 00:36:24,547 It wasn't quite as light and as fluent 975 00:36:24,581 --> 00:36:25,950 as it should be. 976 00:36:25,983 --> 00:36:27,218 You know, you need to get off screen 977 00:36:27,251 --> 00:36:28,452 better than you do anything else. 978 00:36:28,485 --> 00:36:29,986 It doesn't matter what the first 10 minutes 979 00:36:30,019 --> 00:36:31,155 of a movie are like really, 980 00:36:31,188 --> 00:36:32,155 most people won't walk out. 981 00:36:32,189 --> 00:36:35,126 And the last 10 minutes, I think 15, I got wrong, 982 00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:36,260 I would say. 983 00:36:36,293 --> 00:36:38,294 NARRATOR: Fortescue returned to the mission he loved, 984 00:36:38,327 --> 00:36:39,530 and which had loved him. 985 00:36:40,863 --> 00:36:43,199 So successful was he at filling it with girls, 986 00:36:43,233 --> 00:36:47,403 that in March, 1907, the bishop of London himself 987 00:36:47,436 --> 00:36:48,271 closed it down. 988 00:36:49,972 --> 00:36:52,242 HandMade started out with a talent group 989 00:36:52,276 --> 00:36:54,145 which was the Monty Python group, 990 00:36:54,177 --> 00:36:55,378 and I think that was the model 991 00:36:55,412 --> 00:36:58,015 that HandMade really tried to follow, 992 00:36:58,048 --> 00:36:59,550 which is to back talent, 993 00:36:59,582 --> 00:37:01,285 which is a great model for independent production companies, 994 00:37:01,318 --> 00:37:03,586 it's a really good model if you can do it. 995 00:37:03,619 --> 00:37:08,358 Denis wanted to basically use the Pythons 996 00:37:08,392 --> 00:37:10,528 and control the Pythons, 997 00:37:10,561 --> 00:37:12,930 and provide for the Pythons. 998 00:37:12,963 --> 00:37:16,200 I do remember him entertaining us all one summer, 999 00:37:16,233 --> 00:37:18,169 and he was going to do his pitch 1000 00:37:18,202 --> 00:37:20,504 for managing the Pythons, really, 1001 00:37:20,537 --> 00:37:22,907 and taking over the Pythons. 1002 00:37:22,939 --> 00:37:24,108 And we had a very nice time then, 1003 00:37:24,140 --> 00:37:25,909 he was very generous, and we had his pool, and all that, 1004 00:37:25,943 --> 00:37:27,878 and then we sat down with his great board, 1005 00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:31,115 and Denis drew lots of sort of arrows 1006 00:37:31,148 --> 00:37:32,582 and names on the board, 1007 00:37:32,615 --> 00:37:37,086 which was sort of mainly consisting of small islands 1008 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,255 in the Caribbean region that no one ever heard of, 1009 00:37:39,289 --> 00:37:41,624 and this is where Python was gonna be based. 1010 00:37:41,657 --> 00:37:43,893 Well, who do we talk to there? 1011 00:37:43,927 --> 00:37:46,130 "Oh, don't worry about that, don't worry about that." 1012 00:37:46,162 --> 00:37:48,264 And it looked as though by imposing 1013 00:37:48,298 --> 00:37:50,301 a sort of structure which meant that Python 1014 00:37:50,334 --> 00:37:53,102 had to make this many films over the years, 1015 00:37:53,135 --> 00:37:55,639 he couldn't see really that the creative side of Python 1016 00:37:55,671 --> 00:37:57,440 was a very messy business. 1017 00:37:57,474 --> 00:38:00,244 It wasn't something where you just sat down 1018 00:38:00,276 --> 00:38:02,146 and wrote a film like that. 1019 00:38:02,178 --> 00:38:04,180 It took a long time for ideas to come through, 1020 00:38:04,213 --> 00:38:06,182 a long time for them to be debated, 1021 00:38:06,215 --> 00:38:09,252 and the one thing we didn't want to see 1022 00:38:09,285 --> 00:38:11,521 in any shape or form was control, 1023 00:38:11,555 --> 00:38:13,624 creative control of our work. 1024 00:38:13,657 --> 00:38:15,892 When we did discuss all this together, 1025 00:38:15,925 --> 00:38:18,294 and do we want Denis to be our manager, 1026 00:38:18,327 --> 00:38:20,030 and we decided no, 1027 00:38:20,063 --> 00:38:23,166 we didn't want Denis to be our manager. 1028 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,169 So that was the kind of crunch point where 1029 00:38:26,202 --> 00:38:31,208 HandMade Films really ceased to be a Python company. 1030 00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:35,211 INTERVIEWER: Are you sad to have lost Monty Python? 1031 00:38:35,244 --> 00:38:37,113 I haven't lost Monty Python, 1032 00:38:37,146 --> 00:38:39,349 they're still good friends of mine. 1033 00:38:39,383 --> 00:38:42,653 If you mean the fact that we didn't produce 1034 00:38:42,686 --> 00:38:44,321 their last film, I'm not sad. 1035 00:38:44,354 --> 00:38:46,290 I didn't produce the first two. 1036 00:38:47,724 --> 00:38:50,026 It was a pleasure to be able to, at that time, 1037 00:38:50,059 --> 00:38:51,996 bail them out of that situation, 1038 00:38:52,028 --> 00:38:55,967 and come out of it with a film that was funny. 1039 00:38:57,566 --> 00:39:00,103 You know, I'm happy whichever way things turn out, 1040 00:39:00,137 --> 00:39:02,073 I don't try to hang onto it. 1041 00:39:03,173 --> 00:39:06,677 I'd rather hang onto friendships than business deals. 1042 00:39:06,709 --> 00:39:08,177 Are you ready? 1043 00:39:08,211 --> 00:39:09,647 MAN: And mark it. 1044 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,317 It was an idea for a film about a Caribbean island 1045 00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:16,019 that discovers Perrier water. 1046 00:39:16,052 --> 00:39:17,487 She's gonna blow! 1047 00:39:17,521 --> 00:39:20,490 (WATER SPRAYS) 1048 00:39:20,523 --> 00:39:22,226 It all sounded terribly funny 1049 00:39:22,258 --> 00:39:24,561 over a second bottle of wine. 1050 00:39:24,593 --> 00:39:27,331 We've struck fucking Perrier! 1051 00:39:27,363 --> 00:39:29,032 (LAUGHING) 1052 00:39:29,066 --> 00:39:30,567 Because of our relationship with HandMade, 1053 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,537 we mentioned the idea to Denis, and he liked it. 1054 00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:37,273 And then basically, now Denis was saying, 1055 00:39:37,307 --> 00:39:39,642 "Well, we can do this if you got, 1056 00:39:39,675 --> 00:39:41,678 "you know, a bankable cast." 1057 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,416 Our first thought for the lead was Michael Caine. 1058 00:39:45,448 --> 00:39:46,684 We managed to get the script around, 1059 00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:48,686 I won't forget some of those days. 1060 00:39:48,718 --> 00:39:50,421 I'd been asked to a party, 1061 00:39:50,454 --> 00:39:52,256 and it was in Beverly Hills, 1062 00:39:52,289 --> 00:39:54,291 so the whole Brit community was there, 1063 00:39:54,323 --> 00:39:56,026 including Michael and Shakira. 1064 00:39:56,059 --> 00:39:58,128 And my wife and I walked in, we're saying hi, 1065 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,264 and Michael looked at me from across the room, 1066 00:40:01,298 --> 00:40:02,600 and he went... 1067 00:40:04,166 --> 00:40:05,668 And I went, "Shit." 1068 00:40:05,702 --> 00:40:07,104 I didn't stay at the party, 1069 00:40:07,137 --> 00:40:08,572 I went straight back up to Dick's house, 1070 00:40:08,604 --> 00:40:11,140 which was up the street, and told him. 1071 00:40:11,173 --> 00:40:13,076 So, Michael made it happen. 1072 00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:14,010 What's this now? 1073 00:40:14,044 --> 00:40:16,479 It's the Cascaran national anthem sir. 1074 00:40:16,512 --> 00:40:19,115 (BAND MUSIC) 1075 00:40:20,349 --> 00:40:22,519 (SINGING) 1076 00:40:24,220 --> 00:40:26,023 What are you all doing? 1077 00:40:26,055 --> 00:40:27,224 The breast stroke, sir. 1078 00:40:27,256 --> 00:40:29,159 You see, these people are all descended 1079 00:40:29,191 --> 00:40:30,360 from shipwreck victims. 1080 00:40:34,363 --> 00:40:37,034 I'm trying to remember at what point we cast Brenda. 1081 00:40:37,066 --> 00:40:38,401 Are you ready, honey? 1082 00:40:39,635 --> 00:40:42,805 Brenda was a bit of a name for us. 1083 00:40:42,838 --> 00:40:43,640 It's me. 1084 00:40:45,275 --> 00:40:46,577 Brenda Vaccaro. 1085 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:47,410 Let's go. 1086 00:40:48,611 --> 00:40:50,247 I mean, she's a force of nature. 1087 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,582 Okay, so where was I? 1088 00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:53,017 Brenda knew the difference between 1089 00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:55,285 the Guatemalan accent and the Mexican accent, 1090 00:40:55,318 --> 00:40:57,421 so she prepared in that respect. 1091 00:40:57,454 --> 00:40:59,055 I didn't. 1092 00:40:59,088 --> 00:41:01,224 And I had it made, actually, from Guatemala. 1093 00:41:01,258 --> 00:41:04,328 Who would say, instead of "Get me some pins." 1094 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,263 she would say, "You know, I need the pins." 1095 00:41:09,066 --> 00:41:11,668 I'd say, well honey, we all do. 1096 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:14,338 (CHUCKLING) And I thought this is the only accent 1097 00:41:14,371 --> 00:41:15,572 I want to do. 1098 00:41:15,604 --> 00:41:19,476 You lied to me when I was a girl in Guatemala! 1099 00:41:19,508 --> 00:41:21,711 MICHAEL: You weren't a girl, you were never a girl! 1100 00:41:21,744 --> 00:41:23,479 BRENDA: I was, you lie! 1101 00:41:23,512 --> 00:41:24,648 MICHAEL: Let's face it, Delores, 1102 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,682 you never fitted into diplomatic life. 1103 00:41:26,715 --> 00:41:29,419 (LAUGHING) 1104 00:41:29,452 --> 00:41:31,822 BRENDA: You say I embarrassed you. 1105 00:41:31,854 --> 00:41:33,389 You're ashamed by me? 1106 00:41:33,423 --> 00:41:35,258 I am just saying that things 1107 00:41:35,291 --> 00:41:37,260 might have turned out differently 1108 00:41:37,293 --> 00:41:39,862 if you hadn't danced the "Cucaracha" topless 1109 00:41:39,896 --> 00:41:43,133 at the reception for the Duke of Edinb... 1110 00:41:43,166 --> 00:41:44,135 He loved it! 1111 00:41:45,336 --> 00:41:47,204 I was worried, because I was worried about the script. 1112 00:41:47,236 --> 00:41:50,307 This is not to say there's not many things I like in it, 1113 00:41:50,340 --> 00:41:53,477 but I just don't think it pulls it off 1114 00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:55,145 as a cohesive whole. 1115 00:41:55,177 --> 00:41:56,813 Creatively, it just doesn't add up. 1116 00:41:56,847 --> 00:41:59,316 It's not a tone Dick and I use to, 1117 00:41:59,349 --> 00:42:02,086 I don't know what film it's trying to be. 1118 00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:03,586 Is it trying to be a farce? 1119 00:42:03,619 --> 00:42:05,621 Is it trying to be a satire? 1120 00:42:05,655 --> 00:42:09,258 Is it trying to be a character driven comedy? 1121 00:42:09,291 --> 00:42:12,795 It's a bit of all three, and it falls short. 1122 00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:16,265 We were preparing the shoot the anthem 1123 00:42:16,298 --> 00:42:18,802 in the United Nations, you know, 1124 00:42:18,834 --> 00:42:23,840 and the idea was to get a stellar ensemble to sing. 1125 00:42:24,807 --> 00:42:28,278 (CATCHY TROPICAL MUSIC) 1126 00:42:32,749 --> 00:42:35,886 IAN: Suddenly, it became the music, the hangout, 1127 00:42:35,918 --> 00:42:37,787 because there was Eric, and George, 1128 00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:41,190 there was John Lord from Deep Purple, 1129 00:42:41,224 --> 00:42:44,128 Ray Cooper, and Ringo. 1130 00:42:45,162 --> 00:42:46,063 Every time I looked around, 1131 00:42:46,097 --> 00:42:47,398 one of my heroes was looking back at me, 1132 00:42:48,631 --> 00:42:50,200 in my backing band, it was like a dream, 1133 00:42:50,233 --> 00:42:51,568 it was extraordinary, really. 1134 00:42:51,601 --> 00:42:52,903 I'm sure everybody thought this was 1135 00:42:52,936 --> 00:42:54,303 gonna help sell the movie. 1136 00:42:54,336 --> 00:42:56,305 It didn't really, did it? 1137 00:42:56,338 --> 00:42:59,375 ♪ There was a freedom ♪ 1138 00:43:01,311 --> 00:43:03,247 (CHEERING) 1139 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,680 I don't want to sound totally negative about it, 1140 00:43:04,713 --> 00:43:06,315 I want people to go out and buy it 1141 00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:08,318 and see it for themselves if they agree or not. 1142 00:43:08,351 --> 00:43:10,220 Go and have a look at it. 1143 00:43:10,253 --> 00:43:12,756 I know that if you smoke a very large joint, 1144 00:43:12,789 --> 00:43:14,258 it's really a fun movie. 1145 00:43:15,691 --> 00:43:18,861 I know that most people who enjoyed it have been high. 1146 00:43:18,894 --> 00:43:22,298 "Oh man, that film was so awesome." 1147 00:43:22,331 --> 00:43:24,634 And then I thought yeah, he's a smoker. 1148 00:43:26,336 --> 00:43:27,871 Denis kept going on to me about, 1149 00:43:27,903 --> 00:43:30,240 "Michael, Michael, you gotta be in Water. 1150 00:43:31,707 --> 00:43:32,608 'You know, it's the Caribbean." 1151 00:43:32,642 --> 00:43:33,777 I said, "Well I've got this film 1152 00:43:33,809 --> 00:43:35,244 "in which I play a chiropodist." 1153 00:43:35,278 --> 00:43:36,647 He said, "Will you come out here? 1154 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,582 "I've got all these stars, and all that sort of thing." 1155 00:43:38,615 --> 00:43:40,817 And Denis really wouldn't let me go, 1156 00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:43,319 kept ringing up when I'd come in late at night, 1157 00:43:43,352 --> 00:43:44,820 and Helen would say "Denis is on the phone." 1158 00:43:44,854 --> 00:43:46,256 "Hello, Denis, hello." 1159 00:43:46,289 --> 00:43:48,492 "Michael, we've written four more lines for you. 1160 00:43:48,525 --> 00:43:49,459 "We'll get you out there, 1161 00:43:49,492 --> 00:43:50,894 "we really want you to do it." 1162 00:43:50,927 --> 00:43:51,727 (LAUGHING) 1163 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,197 I said "Denis, no." 1164 00:43:54,296 --> 00:43:55,965 It was nice to be asked, but in the end, 1165 00:43:55,999 --> 00:43:57,301 I got really fed up with this, 1166 00:43:57,334 --> 00:43:59,236 and you know, I got a new cat, 1167 00:43:59,269 --> 00:44:02,439 and we called the cat Denis, 1168 00:44:02,472 --> 00:44:05,842 so that when I come home late in the evening, 1169 00:44:05,874 --> 00:44:09,278 Helen would say "Denis has been on the phone." 1170 00:44:09,311 --> 00:44:12,548 I would transfer all my sort of tension 1171 00:44:12,581 --> 00:44:13,784 and anger onto the cat. 1172 00:44:13,816 --> 00:44:15,885 And I'd think oh, that lovely cat, that Denis. 1173 00:44:15,918 --> 00:44:17,621 Jason Gilbert Chilvers. 1174 00:44:17,653 --> 00:44:18,722 This country has just emerged 1175 00:44:18,755 --> 00:44:19,923 from a Second World War, 1176 00:44:19,956 --> 00:44:20,856 a war where millions of people died, 1177 00:44:20,890 --> 00:44:23,427 most of them killed by their fellow men. 1178 00:44:23,459 --> 00:44:25,294 Not with chiropodist tools. 1179 00:44:25,327 --> 00:44:27,331 WIFE: It's not the tools, it's the will. 1180 00:44:28,264 --> 00:44:29,465 He's doing his business again! 1181 00:44:29,499 --> 00:44:32,002 I'll trust you to pick up the diarrhea. 1182 00:44:32,035 --> 00:44:33,637 Strange place, strange people. 1183 00:44:35,271 --> 00:44:36,407 They can understand it. 1184 00:44:37,307 --> 00:44:39,042 We ought to let it settle down. 1185 00:44:39,075 --> 00:44:40,377 Settle down? 1186 00:44:42,345 --> 00:44:43,347 Kill it. 1187 00:44:44,548 --> 00:44:47,284 You know, that how I remember "Private Function" happening 1188 00:44:47,316 --> 00:44:50,519 was that Alan Bennett rang me up and said, you know, 1189 00:44:50,552 --> 00:44:52,355 that he got a film he'd like me to do, 1190 00:44:52,389 --> 00:44:53,557 and it sounded very good, 1191 00:44:53,590 --> 00:44:55,292 so I went along to a meeting. 1192 00:44:55,325 --> 00:44:59,029 And Alan said, "Right, where's the money coming from?" 1193 00:44:59,061 --> 00:45:01,297 and I said "Me, you're looking at me? 1194 00:45:01,331 --> 00:45:02,466 "You've only asked me to do a part." 1195 00:45:02,499 --> 00:45:05,269 So I said, "Well, I'll ask them. 1196 00:45:05,302 --> 00:45:07,271 "I'm not sure if it's what they'd want to do." 1197 00:45:07,303 --> 00:45:08,405 For you, Michael. 1198 00:45:08,438 --> 00:45:11,508 I remember asking George about it, 1199 00:45:11,541 --> 00:45:13,043 and I said, you know, 1200 00:45:13,075 --> 00:45:16,045 "So, was it the script that persuaded you then, George?" 1201 00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:17,347 He said, "No, no. 1202 00:45:18,347 --> 00:45:21,050 "I only got up to page four." 1203 00:45:21,084 --> 00:45:24,053 And he says, "Just 'cause you were in it, 1204 00:45:24,086 --> 00:45:26,856 "I thought it must be all right." 1205 00:45:26,889 --> 00:45:29,825 It's about a pig, it's about a very unpleasant part 1206 00:45:29,858 --> 00:45:32,094 of British history after the Second World War, 1207 00:45:32,128 --> 00:45:35,298 where there was a lot of very nasty behavior going on, 1208 00:45:35,331 --> 00:45:39,035 people being sort of cheating, and lying, 1209 00:45:39,068 --> 00:45:40,570 and almost shining a light 1210 00:45:40,602 --> 00:45:43,307 on a very dark corner of British history. 1211 00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:46,343 So, it had a real dark comedy feel to it. 1212 00:45:46,376 --> 00:45:49,313 You got something we want. 1213 00:45:51,447 --> 00:45:55,451 Something that belongs to us. 1214 00:45:57,419 --> 00:46:01,392 Something with four legs, 1215 00:46:02,492 --> 00:46:07,497 and a little curly tail. 1216 00:46:08,097 --> 00:46:09,632 There were three pigs, 1217 00:46:09,666 --> 00:46:11,501 because they were all supposed to have different... 1218 00:46:11,534 --> 00:46:13,102 (LAUGHING) 1219 00:46:13,135 --> 00:46:16,105 They were all supposed to have different talents, you know. 1220 00:46:16,139 --> 00:46:18,075 One could sing, one could dance, 1221 00:46:18,108 --> 00:46:19,743 the other one... 1222 00:46:19,776 --> 00:46:20,811 Well, I mean, this is how it was put to us really 1223 00:46:20,843 --> 00:46:22,079 by the trainers. 1224 00:46:22,111 --> 00:46:23,680 In fact, only one of them could act 1225 00:46:23,713 --> 00:46:25,048 to any standard at all. 1226 00:46:25,081 --> 00:46:26,883 The other two were completely hopeless. 1227 00:46:26,916 --> 00:46:28,452 It was very hard working with the pig 1228 00:46:28,485 --> 00:46:30,153 because it would be brought onto the set, 1229 00:46:30,186 --> 00:46:32,155 and at some stage it would defecate, 1230 00:46:32,188 --> 00:46:33,622 usually just before the take, 1231 00:46:33,655 --> 00:46:35,157 so we'd have to get everyone out, 1232 00:46:35,191 --> 00:46:37,828 clean the carpet, and there was a young lad 1233 00:46:37,860 --> 00:46:40,996 who was at the film location every morning 1234 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:42,733 saying "I'd love to get into films. 1235 00:46:42,765 --> 00:46:44,367 "Any chance of me getting into films?" 1236 00:46:44,401 --> 00:46:45,135 And "No, no, no, no." 1237 00:46:45,168 --> 00:46:46,736 And then somebody said, 1238 00:46:46,769 --> 00:46:48,871 "Oh, by the way, actually there is something you can do." 1239 00:46:48,905 --> 00:46:51,173 And they gave him a bucket, and said, 1240 00:46:51,206 --> 00:46:53,042 "When you're on the set, the pig comes on, 1241 00:46:53,075 --> 00:46:55,811 "as soon as you see anything appear 1242 00:46:55,845 --> 00:46:58,615 "from the pig's backside, get the bucket under there." 1243 00:46:58,648 --> 00:47:01,517 And he did, and because of the predictability 1244 00:47:01,550 --> 00:47:04,520 of the pig's bowel movements, he could do that. 1245 00:47:04,553 --> 00:47:06,423 It saved us an awful lot of time, 1246 00:47:06,456 --> 00:47:07,791 and he's the only person I think 1247 00:47:07,823 --> 00:47:09,092 on any credits anywhere 1248 00:47:09,124 --> 00:47:11,894 who's just been given the credit of "Bucket Boy" 1249 00:47:11,927 --> 00:47:13,063 on the film. 1250 00:47:13,095 --> 00:47:16,465 No, it's rather nice that on such a public occasion, 1251 00:47:16,499 --> 00:47:18,435 the Peter Sellers Award for comedy 1252 00:47:18,468 --> 00:47:22,773 will go to a man from "A Private Function", Michael Palin. 1253 00:47:22,805 --> 00:47:25,074 (CLAPPING) 1254 00:47:26,242 --> 00:47:27,843 I must say, there was considerable friction 1255 00:47:27,876 --> 00:47:29,746 between the creative side, 1256 00:47:29,778 --> 00:47:31,715 represented by Alan Bennett, the writer, 1257 00:47:31,747 --> 00:47:32,948 particularly with Denis. 1258 00:47:32,981 --> 00:47:34,517 It was a difficult relationship. 1259 00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:36,819 We got the film made, but there was 1260 00:47:36,852 --> 00:47:39,423 all sorts of problems over payments 1261 00:47:39,456 --> 00:47:40,624 and all that sort of thing. 1262 00:47:40,657 --> 00:47:43,226 But anyway, the Evening Standard Film Awards 1263 00:47:43,258 --> 00:47:47,063 of 19 whatever it was, '85, or whatever, 1264 00:47:47,095 --> 00:47:48,697 won most of the awards, 1265 00:47:48,731 --> 00:47:50,566 and it won an award for Denis and George, 1266 00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:53,002 who went up and sort of slightly 1267 00:47:53,035 --> 00:47:54,537 embarrassingly collected it, 1268 00:47:54,570 --> 00:47:57,506 and George called the Duchess of Kent... 1269 00:47:57,539 --> 00:47:58,207 Your Majesty. 1270 00:47:59,642 --> 00:48:00,744 Your Royal Highness. 1271 00:48:00,776 --> 00:48:01,912 You're going one too high. 1272 00:48:01,945 --> 00:48:03,180 Oh. 1273 00:48:03,213 --> 00:48:04,981 Nothing's too good for you. 1274 00:48:05,014 --> 00:48:07,117 She's a bit of a boo. 1275 00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:08,818 (CHUCKLING) 1276 00:48:08,852 --> 00:48:12,088 So, it was all done, 1277 00:48:12,121 --> 00:48:13,523 and actually in the end, 1278 00:48:13,555 --> 00:48:15,124 it was much more successful I think 1279 00:48:15,157 --> 00:48:18,727 than "Water", which disappeared without trace, 1280 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,130 it dried up.. 1281 00:48:22,030 --> 00:48:23,532 Really, it's Mr. O'Brien, 1282 00:48:23,566 --> 00:48:26,903 the brains behind HandMade Films. 1283 00:48:26,936 --> 00:48:29,173 (CLAPPING) 1284 00:48:32,008 --> 00:48:34,511 A few years later, I was with Alan, 1285 00:48:34,543 --> 00:48:36,579 and our cat had sadly passed away, 1286 00:48:36,613 --> 00:48:38,582 and I told him that I'm a bit sad today, 1287 00:48:38,615 --> 00:48:40,250 'cause Denis had died. 1288 00:48:41,617 --> 00:48:43,219 And Alan said just direct, 1289 00:48:43,253 --> 00:48:47,224 something about his heart rose with elation, the news. 1290 00:48:47,256 --> 00:48:49,126 "Oh, your cat, oh the cat, oh. 1291 00:48:51,227 --> 00:48:52,295 "Oh, I didn't know that. 1292 00:48:52,327 --> 00:48:55,097 "Oh, I'm very sad, that's terrible." 1293 00:48:55,131 --> 00:48:57,634 (CAT MEOWING) 1294 00:48:58,334 --> 00:49:00,070 What we have done basically 1295 00:49:00,102 --> 00:49:02,606 is simply to take whatever retained earnings 1296 00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:04,073 there have been over the year, 1297 00:49:04,106 --> 00:49:07,142 and simply re-invest those funds 1298 00:49:07,175 --> 00:49:09,078 into an expanded portfolio 1299 00:49:09,111 --> 00:49:11,548 so that we went from making one film a year 1300 00:49:11,581 --> 00:49:12,816 to three films a year, 1301 00:49:12,849 --> 00:49:14,284 and finally up to five films a year. 1302 00:49:14,316 --> 00:49:16,887 You know, Denis is into this thing of well, 1303 00:49:16,919 --> 00:49:19,122 if we can produce more films, 1304 00:49:19,155 --> 00:49:20,957 we can get better distribution deals, 1305 00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:22,959 or people will take you more seriously. 1306 00:49:22,992 --> 00:49:26,662 Denis was very much wanting to build a studio, 1307 00:49:26,695 --> 00:49:28,864 certainly a production entity. 1308 00:49:28,898 --> 00:49:30,033 It was driven by him. 1309 00:49:30,066 --> 00:49:32,535 MIKE: It was as if Denis was going off on his own. 1310 00:49:32,568 --> 00:49:35,271 MAN: There was an aspect of selecting the projects 1311 00:49:35,305 --> 00:49:39,809 which was as much money as it was the project itself. 1312 00:49:39,842 --> 00:49:42,077 When the company starts getting bigger, 1313 00:49:42,110 --> 00:49:43,313 you take on more staff, 1314 00:49:43,345 --> 00:49:45,148 and you need to pay more staff, 1315 00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:47,550 you need to feed the beast, 1316 00:49:47,584 --> 00:49:50,253 and you need them to buy films in 1317 00:49:50,285 --> 00:49:51,887 that perhaps you wouldn't normally buy. 1318 00:49:51,921 --> 00:49:53,123 You need to make films, 1319 00:49:53,155 --> 00:49:54,858 because you gotta keep that wheel turning. 1320 00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:56,992 They became just a system 1321 00:49:57,026 --> 00:49:59,629 that needed to keep feeding itself. 1322 00:49:59,662 --> 00:50:01,798 Sometimes we'll make films which 1323 00:50:03,198 --> 00:50:06,570 I go along with because it's the company's decision 1324 00:50:06,602 --> 00:50:08,938 that this would be a good film, 1325 00:50:08,972 --> 00:50:12,008 but I don't particularly like the script 1326 00:50:12,041 --> 00:50:14,577 or the film. 1327 00:50:14,610 --> 00:50:17,947 ♪ I'm ready ♪ 1328 00:50:17,981 --> 00:50:21,685 ♪ You must be crazy ♪ 1329 00:50:21,718 --> 00:50:24,387 We went after "Shanghai Surprise" 1330 00:50:24,419 --> 00:50:26,856 because I believed that we were playing 1331 00:50:26,889 --> 00:50:29,392 the Hollywood game out of London, 1332 00:50:29,425 --> 00:50:30,327 and that this would be something 1333 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,861 that would be a huge success. 1334 00:50:32,894 --> 00:50:34,229 GEORGE: It was a couple of days 1335 00:50:34,262 --> 00:50:36,632 away from just shelving the whole thing, 1336 00:50:36,666 --> 00:50:39,135 and then suddenly the producer came up 1337 00:50:39,168 --> 00:50:42,171 and said "Oh yeah, Madonna's agreed to be in the movie, 1338 00:50:42,204 --> 00:50:45,976 "and her husband, Sean Penn, is also gonna be." 1339 00:50:46,008 --> 00:50:49,211 And at that time, it sounded like quite a good idea. 1340 00:50:49,244 --> 00:50:51,013 I think really "Shanghai Surprise" 1341 00:50:51,046 --> 00:50:55,084 was made with the intention of making a blockbuster. 1342 00:50:55,117 --> 00:50:57,253 This is a new direction for HandMade. 1343 00:50:57,285 --> 00:50:58,787 Because the business side of it 1344 00:50:58,820 --> 00:51:00,155 got very excited by it. 1345 00:51:00,189 --> 00:51:03,059 It was pre-sold, and it was big business. 1346 00:51:03,092 --> 00:51:07,063 I suppose on somebody's decision was, 1347 00:51:07,095 --> 00:51:10,166 well, it's probably, this could be good, 1348 00:51:10,198 --> 00:51:12,968 from a greed point of view, I think. 1349 00:51:13,001 --> 00:51:15,170 The idea, "Hehe, we're gonna have a big hit 1350 00:51:15,204 --> 00:51:17,039 "with this famous pop star." 1351 00:51:17,072 --> 00:51:17,940 I thought you were a bit hasty 1352 00:51:17,974 --> 00:51:20,176 doing a second film about a missionary 1353 00:51:20,209 --> 00:51:22,212 before you've got the money from the first one. 1354 00:51:22,244 --> 00:51:23,246 We like missionaries. 1355 00:51:24,814 --> 00:51:27,250 Two missionaries and a glow in the dark tie salesman 1356 00:51:27,282 --> 00:51:29,218 do not just stroll up to people and ask 1357 00:51:29,251 --> 00:51:31,987 if they've seen a thousand pounds of opium lying around. 1358 00:51:32,021 --> 00:51:34,189 John Kohn, who is quote on quote 1359 00:51:34,222 --> 00:51:36,325 the producer in the film, 1360 00:51:36,358 --> 00:51:38,061 really hadn't produced films, 1361 00:51:38,093 --> 00:51:40,362 he was a writer more so than a producer. 1362 00:51:40,396 --> 00:51:41,898 Well, I read this book, 1363 00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:43,332 and the book wasn't very good, 1364 00:51:43,365 --> 00:51:46,268 but I thought that the book had a kind of, 1365 00:51:47,803 --> 00:51:49,405 a Humphrey Bogart-Katherine Hepburn relationship 1366 00:51:49,439 --> 00:51:51,274 like in "African Queen". 1367 00:51:51,307 --> 00:51:53,276 And I thought it was good ingredients 1368 00:51:53,309 --> 00:51:58,081 and the script wrote pretty easily. 1369 00:51:58,113 --> 00:51:59,249 The script was terrible. 1370 00:51:59,282 --> 00:52:00,182 (LAUGHING) 1371 00:52:00,215 --> 00:52:01,351 It was absolutely terrible. 1372 00:52:01,383 --> 00:52:03,152 It was not a good script, 1373 00:52:03,186 --> 00:52:04,754 and that's where it starts. 1374 00:52:04,787 --> 00:52:06,689 That's the foundation of which everything else is done, 1375 00:52:06,722 --> 00:52:08,224 that's the structure. 1376 00:52:08,256 --> 00:52:10,293 And if that's not right, it's pointless. 1377 00:52:10,325 --> 00:52:12,961 Jim Goddard mostly directed television 1378 00:52:12,994 --> 00:52:15,431 and on sets, and mostly in the UK. 1379 00:52:15,465 --> 00:52:17,033 You know, this was a big film, 1380 00:52:17,066 --> 00:52:19,302 and that's why Sean could walk right over him, 1381 00:52:19,334 --> 00:52:20,936 you know, basically. 1382 00:52:20,970 --> 00:52:24,506 Definitely the problem was a clash of personality, 1383 00:52:24,539 --> 00:52:26,308 both very strong characters, 1384 00:52:26,342 --> 00:52:29,746 they both wanted the film to look differently. 1385 00:52:29,778 --> 00:52:32,247 Jim tried to make it as a comedy, 1386 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,250 and Sean was hoping to make it 1387 00:52:35,284 --> 00:52:37,253 a dramatic escapism. 1388 00:52:37,285 --> 00:52:39,421 But he questioned Jim all the time. 1389 00:52:39,454 --> 00:52:42,124 "Why is that, why is it not that way?" 1390 00:52:42,157 --> 00:52:45,894 Jim thought that he can tame the stars, 1391 00:52:45,927 --> 00:52:47,896 and eventually he couldn't. 1392 00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:49,466 (DRAMATIC MUSIC) 1393 00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:52,102 Sean Penn has his issues, Madonna had her issues, 1394 00:52:52,135 --> 00:52:53,503 the press, they're having a field day, 1395 00:52:53,535 --> 00:52:55,438 because I think a lot was going on there. 1396 00:52:55,470 --> 00:52:57,139 On the one hand in film, 1397 00:52:57,173 --> 00:52:58,374 all publicity is good publicity, 1398 00:52:58,407 --> 00:53:01,811 because then everyone's heard of the movie. 1399 00:53:01,843 --> 00:53:03,880 On the other hand, should you worry I think, 1400 00:53:03,912 --> 00:53:05,115 that it might be interfering with 1401 00:53:05,148 --> 00:53:06,349 the business of making the movie, 1402 00:53:06,381 --> 00:53:08,184 which in the end, it clearly was. 1403 00:53:08,217 --> 00:53:09,952 When it comes down to the wire, 1404 00:53:09,985 --> 00:53:12,454 there's only one person who can solve problems, 1405 00:53:12,488 --> 00:53:15,091 and that's why we're sending him off to Hong Kong 1406 00:53:15,124 --> 00:53:17,327 to see if he can deal with Sean Penn and Madonna 1407 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,861 in one week's time. 1408 00:53:18,894 --> 00:53:20,530 Well, "Shanghai Surprise" unfortunately 1409 00:53:20,563 --> 00:53:22,965 got George involved as well, 1410 00:53:22,999 --> 00:53:26,002 and he was brought in to sort of try, 1411 00:53:26,035 --> 00:53:27,270 and that was terrible for George, 1412 00:53:27,302 --> 00:53:28,237 he didn't want to do that. 1413 00:53:28,271 --> 00:53:30,173 He went to Hong Kong, he didn't want to do it. 1414 00:53:30,206 --> 00:53:31,274 I mean in some respects, 1415 00:53:31,307 --> 00:53:35,445 the press were sort of right saying certain things. 1416 00:53:36,845 --> 00:53:38,447 But, they were a bit over the top. 1417 00:53:38,481 --> 00:53:42,852 Well, you know, because the stories were getting out, 1418 00:53:42,885 --> 00:53:44,821 Sean was not shooting certain days 1419 00:53:44,854 --> 00:53:46,189 because he was uptight by something 1420 00:53:46,222 --> 00:53:49,859 he read in the paper, so I felt the only way 1421 00:53:49,892 --> 00:53:52,529 to smooth things over is to try and get the press 1422 00:53:52,561 --> 00:53:54,029 to not get in their head. 1423 00:53:55,197 --> 00:53:56,431 INTERVIEWER: Your management contract 1424 00:53:56,465 --> 00:53:58,133 is up for sale, did you know that? 1425 00:53:58,166 --> 00:54:00,002 And George, would you like to buy it? 1426 00:54:02,070 --> 00:54:03,273 I don't know. 1427 00:54:03,305 --> 00:54:04,506 You're a little troublemaker, aren't you? 1428 00:54:04,539 --> 00:54:05,507 INTERVIEWER: I'm not the only one here, 1429 00:54:05,541 --> 00:54:06,943 there's a room full of them. 1430 00:54:06,976 --> 00:54:09,044 I mean, the result of the press conference was 1431 00:54:09,077 --> 00:54:11,413 they all stopped slagging them off. 1432 00:54:11,447 --> 00:54:13,916 But it did have terrible affect 1433 00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:15,919 on the film and the crew. 1434 00:54:16,651 --> 00:54:20,322 ♪ You got into my life ♪ 1435 00:54:20,356 --> 00:54:24,593 ♪ I don't know how you found me ♪ 1436 00:54:24,626 --> 00:54:26,929 ♪ But you didn't stop ♪ 1437 00:54:26,963 --> 00:54:28,064 ELAINE: Did you get involved in 1438 00:54:28,097 --> 00:54:29,399 music in the films? 1439 00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:31,901 GEORGE: I got really involved with "Shanghai", 1440 00:54:31,934 --> 00:54:35,205 which was another reason it was personally 1441 00:54:36,305 --> 00:54:38,241 a sad situation, because I put so much 1442 00:54:38,273 --> 00:54:40,576 of my own time into it. 1443 00:54:43,345 --> 00:54:44,246 ELAINE: So how do you feel now 1444 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,149 that it's more or less finished? 1445 00:54:46,182 --> 00:54:47,283 How do I feel? 1446 00:54:47,316 --> 00:54:48,885 Shocked and stunned. 1447 00:54:48,918 --> 00:54:50,486 And the film didn't do very well, 1448 00:54:51,553 --> 00:54:53,956 and I think we have had a bit 1449 00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:55,392 of a disaster on our hands. 1450 00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:58,528 The problem I have is when we make films 1451 00:54:58,561 --> 00:55:00,129 with people who I don't particularly 1452 00:55:00,162 --> 00:55:02,232 want to make a film with, 1453 00:55:02,264 --> 00:55:06,602 and that's where HandMade has become something else. 1454 00:55:06,635 --> 00:55:08,371 It was really not what he wanted. 1455 00:55:08,403 --> 00:55:10,273 Madonna, Sean Penn thing, the celebrity thing. 1456 00:55:10,305 --> 00:55:12,608 It was one, George wasn't interested in that, 1457 00:55:12,642 --> 00:55:14,143 he wanted to see a good comedy 1458 00:55:14,175 --> 00:55:17,980 that was sort of played by people he liked and knew. 1459 00:55:18,014 --> 00:55:20,550 And preferably, something British 1460 00:55:20,582 --> 00:55:22,885 rather than something American. 1461 00:55:22,918 --> 00:55:25,487 (DRAMATIC MUSIC) 1462 00:55:30,226 --> 00:55:31,126 You know, the beauty of it is 1463 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,296 is that we had "Mona Lisa" at the same time, 1464 00:55:34,463 --> 00:55:37,166 and quite honestly, one negated the other. 1465 00:55:37,198 --> 00:55:38,967 They were so busy making this other 1466 00:55:39,001 --> 00:55:40,236 big, huge film, 1467 00:55:40,269 --> 00:55:42,472 I just took the time to make "Mona Lisa" 1468 00:55:42,505 --> 00:55:45,108 while they were doing this huge thing, you know. 1469 00:55:45,140 --> 00:55:46,441 Mona Lisa was a story about 1470 00:55:46,474 --> 00:55:48,277 the hypocrisy of SoHo. 1471 00:55:48,311 --> 00:55:50,546 How those guys in suits were probably 1472 00:55:50,579 --> 00:55:52,282 contributing to the Tory party 1473 00:55:52,314 --> 00:55:54,517 who were dealing in drugs and prostitution, 1474 00:55:54,550 --> 00:55:56,385 who were actually much bigger criminals 1475 00:55:56,418 --> 00:56:00,122 than guys walking around with a swag sack on their back, 1476 00:56:00,155 --> 00:56:01,323 you know, if there is such a thing, 1477 00:56:01,356 --> 00:56:03,159 a good old honest criminal. 1478 00:56:03,191 --> 00:56:05,260 NEIL: I began to sketch it out about this character 1479 00:56:05,293 --> 00:56:06,161 who came out of prison 1480 00:56:06,195 --> 00:56:08,398 and the world had changed around him. 1481 00:56:08,430 --> 00:56:11,668 Neil had a stab at writing a script, 1482 00:56:13,336 --> 00:56:15,171 and he kinda got stuck on it, 1483 00:56:15,204 --> 00:56:17,039 wasn't sure where to go. 1484 00:56:17,072 --> 00:56:18,640 So I had asked David if he could 1485 00:56:18,673 --> 00:56:20,008 have a look at the script 1486 00:56:20,041 --> 00:56:22,244 to see if there's anything he could do. 1487 00:56:22,278 --> 00:56:24,147 And I was given a treatment, 1488 00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:26,182 and it was a third of a page, 1489 00:56:26,215 --> 00:56:28,084 it was just that much writing, 1490 00:56:28,117 --> 00:56:29,352 and I worked on that. 1491 00:56:29,385 --> 00:56:31,387 David wrote this really hard-boiled script, 1492 00:56:31,419 --> 00:56:33,555 it was quite savage. 1493 00:56:33,588 --> 00:56:35,424 I then thought long and hard about 1494 00:56:35,457 --> 00:56:36,659 who could play the part, 1495 00:56:36,691 --> 00:56:38,660 discussed it, of course, with Neil, 1496 00:56:38,693 --> 00:56:42,398 and Bob's was the name that was noted. 1497 00:56:43,566 --> 00:56:45,368 Bob wasn't 100% sure about the script, 1498 00:56:45,401 --> 00:56:47,070 so I had to engineer a meeting 1499 00:56:47,102 --> 00:56:48,470 between Neil and Bob, 1500 00:56:48,503 --> 00:56:50,272 and they hit it off straight away. 1501 00:56:50,305 --> 00:56:51,640 NEIL: The minute I met Bob I said okay, 1502 00:56:51,673 --> 00:56:53,141 I'm gonna rewrite this whole thing, 1503 00:56:53,175 --> 00:56:54,443 the whole story for this man. 1504 00:56:54,477 --> 00:56:56,245 I mean, I really wanted to make a movie 1505 00:56:56,278 --> 00:56:59,282 about how man deeply misunderstood women. 1506 00:56:59,314 --> 00:57:01,184 I suppose I genuinely didn't understand women 1507 00:57:01,217 --> 00:57:02,485 any more than the central character did, 1508 00:57:02,517 --> 00:57:04,786 and I wanted to make a film about that, you know? 1509 00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:07,256 (KNOCKING) 1510 00:57:08,657 --> 00:57:09,492 Yeah? 1511 00:57:12,695 --> 00:57:14,197 Do you want mom? 1512 00:57:20,202 --> 00:57:21,337 Mom? 1513 00:57:21,369 --> 00:57:23,105 What is it, love? 1514 00:57:23,805 --> 00:57:25,474 Julie, get inside. 1515 00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:26,676 Just... 1516 00:57:26,709 --> 00:57:27,510 No you can't. 1517 00:57:27,543 --> 00:57:28,745 Listen! 1518 00:57:28,778 --> 00:57:29,611 You've been away too fucking long! 1519 00:57:29,644 --> 00:57:30,679 Mom, no! 1520 00:57:30,713 --> 00:57:31,680 Wait, no, just a minute! 1521 00:57:31,713 --> 00:57:32,614 That's all I'm asking for! 1522 00:57:32,648 --> 00:57:33,548 She don't know you, George, 1523 00:57:33,581 --> 00:57:34,784 and she don't want to know ya! 1524 00:57:34,816 --> 00:57:35,617 I don't want to fucking know you! 1525 00:57:35,651 --> 00:57:36,452 She's my daughter! 1526 00:57:36,485 --> 00:57:37,452 You can't do this to me, 1527 00:57:37,485 --> 00:57:39,588 I only came to see her. 1528 00:57:39,622 --> 00:57:40,457 Stop! 1529 00:57:41,624 --> 00:57:43,059 I'm sorry. 1530 00:57:43,092 --> 00:57:43,760 I'm sorry! 1531 00:57:45,293 --> 00:57:46,395 Mom! 1532 00:57:46,428 --> 00:57:47,764 I loved the script. 1533 00:57:47,796 --> 00:57:49,365 And I took it to EMI, 1534 00:57:49,398 --> 00:57:52,135 they suddenly decided not to make films, 1535 00:57:52,168 --> 00:57:54,303 they weren't into production anymore, 1536 00:57:54,336 --> 00:57:56,171 and we were left a bit high and dry. 1537 00:57:56,204 --> 00:57:58,106 And there weren't that many stops then. 1538 00:57:58,139 --> 00:57:59,474 With EMI going down, 1539 00:57:59,508 --> 00:58:01,110 it wasn't like there were a load of places 1540 00:58:01,142 --> 00:58:02,010 we could've gone, 1541 00:58:02,043 --> 00:58:04,312 and that's what made HandMade special. 1542 00:58:04,345 --> 00:58:06,282 He got me the script I think that day, 1543 00:58:06,314 --> 00:58:08,316 and I read it overnight, and said this is great, 1544 00:58:08,349 --> 00:58:10,052 we've gotta do this movie. 1545 00:58:10,086 --> 00:58:12,622 Ray had set up a lunch for George to meet with Neil, 1546 00:58:13,789 --> 00:58:16,191 and George had said at the lunch that 1547 00:58:16,224 --> 00:58:18,860 this wasn't the kind of script that he liked. 1548 00:58:18,894 --> 00:58:21,296 Basically, I would like to keep it comedy, 1549 00:58:21,329 --> 00:58:26,335 or films that have some sort of hope, you know? 1550 00:58:27,336 --> 00:58:29,405 But he trusted Ray 100%, 1551 00:58:29,438 --> 00:58:32,608 and George basically said "Whatever you guys want." 1552 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,577 The biggest thing was casting Simone, 1553 00:58:34,610 --> 00:58:36,144 the title part of "Mona Lisa", 1554 00:58:36,177 --> 00:58:38,713 and we went to see a play that Cathy was in 1555 00:58:38,747 --> 00:58:39,615 at the Barbican. 1556 00:58:39,648 --> 00:58:41,184 We then met with Cathy, 1557 00:58:41,217 --> 00:58:43,753 and she seemed amazing, 1558 00:58:43,785 --> 00:58:45,822 and Neil was completely sold on her. 1559 00:58:45,854 --> 00:58:48,157 So we sort of offered her up 1560 00:58:48,189 --> 00:58:49,825 as the final piece of the jigsaw. 1561 00:58:49,858 --> 00:58:54,496 Cathy was rejected by Denis. 1562 00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:57,200 And the suggestion from Denis, 1563 00:58:57,233 --> 00:59:00,303 he had seen a poster for a James Bond movie 1564 00:59:00,336 --> 00:59:02,505 with Roger Moore, and thought that Grace Jones 1565 00:59:02,537 --> 00:59:05,273 would make a fantastic choice for the film, 1566 00:59:05,307 --> 00:59:07,276 which was a little horrific. 1567 00:59:07,309 --> 00:59:08,477 Cathy was wonderful, 1568 00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:10,545 and she was right for the role. 1569 00:59:10,579 --> 00:59:12,682 I mean, it could've been a named person, 1570 00:59:12,715 --> 00:59:14,450 nobody really knew Cathy at that point, 1571 00:59:14,483 --> 00:59:15,517 but this is what you have to do, 1572 00:59:15,550 --> 00:59:18,320 you have to support that chance. 1573 00:59:18,354 --> 00:59:22,325 And Denis says, "Well, all right, if you think so." 1574 00:59:22,358 --> 00:59:23,493 Neil Jones said to me, 1575 00:59:23,526 --> 00:59:26,796 I'm gonna try and get Michael Caine 1576 00:59:26,829 --> 00:59:28,397 to play the boss. 1577 00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:30,300 And I said, you've got to be kidding. 1578 00:59:31,499 --> 00:59:34,402 HandMade's doing it, you're never gonna afford those wages. 1579 00:59:34,436 --> 00:59:36,671 Usually I play leading men in a picture, 1580 00:59:36,704 --> 00:59:39,275 and if you do, even though the man is villainous, 1581 00:59:39,307 --> 00:59:42,210 you have to give him some sort of sympathetic, 1582 00:59:42,244 --> 00:59:44,247 or nice, or kindly side. 1583 00:59:46,314 --> 00:59:47,582 But with Mortwell, I didn't have to, 1584 00:59:47,615 --> 00:59:50,686 because I was only a small part, so I enjoyed it. 1585 00:59:50,718 --> 00:59:52,454 Jesus Christ, George. 1586 00:59:52,488 --> 00:59:53,956 What am I doing here, right? 1587 00:59:53,988 --> 00:59:54,789 I didn't say that. 1588 00:59:54,822 --> 00:59:56,158 I'm sorry. 1589 00:59:56,191 --> 00:59:57,793 Don't be sorry, it's bad to be sorry. 1590 00:59:57,825 --> 00:59:58,628 Hello, mate. 1591 00:59:58,660 --> 00:59:59,561 Hello. 1592 00:59:59,595 --> 01:00:00,630 Raschid, this is George. 1593 01:00:00,662 --> 01:00:01,863 Of course, we have met. 1594 01:00:01,896 --> 01:00:03,165 How did you get on the other night? 1595 01:00:03,198 --> 01:00:03,832 Was she good? 1596 01:00:03,865 --> 01:00:05,300 Come on, George. 1597 01:00:05,334 --> 01:00:07,336 I'm sorry, but I've been trying to contact you. 1598 01:00:07,369 --> 01:00:08,204 Wasn't Dudley looking after you? 1599 01:00:08,236 --> 01:00:09,572 Well, yeah, yeah, he is, 1600 01:00:09,604 --> 01:00:10,505 but I mean, it's nothing like 1601 01:00:10,539 --> 01:00:11,607 the personal touch, is there? 1602 01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:12,440 Seven years. 1603 01:00:12,474 --> 01:00:13,575 This isn't the time. 1604 01:00:13,608 --> 01:00:14,876 This is business, George. 1605 01:00:14,910 --> 01:00:17,246 Yeah, but we've got a lot to talk about. 1606 01:00:17,278 --> 01:00:18,414 So we have, I'll ring you. 1607 01:00:18,447 --> 01:00:19,247 You promise? 1608 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,282 I promise. 1609 01:00:21,784 --> 01:00:23,153 Did you get the rabbit? 1610 01:00:24,352 --> 01:00:26,988 Cathy and Bob were terrific together, 1611 01:00:27,021 --> 01:00:29,324 and Bob gave Cathy so much. 1612 01:00:29,358 --> 01:00:30,860 Because we had to do the scene 1613 01:00:30,892 --> 01:00:35,898 on the pier, and he said to me very gently, 1614 01:00:37,265 --> 01:00:39,367 "You can do that again, can't ya?" 1615 01:00:39,401 --> 01:00:41,236 And it wasn't the director that said that, 1616 01:00:41,269 --> 01:00:42,505 but he said it, and I did, 1617 01:00:42,537 --> 01:00:45,307 and I started to cry in the scene, 1618 01:00:45,340 --> 01:00:48,243 and I thought I can remember distinctly thinking, 1619 01:00:48,276 --> 01:00:50,313 "My God, is that what acting's about? 1620 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,715 "It's about pain?" 1621 01:00:53,749 --> 01:00:55,351 And that's what it involves. 1622 01:00:55,383 --> 01:00:57,320 So I really, really do credit him 1623 01:00:57,352 --> 01:01:02,224 for gently encouraging me to go there. 1624 01:01:02,258 --> 01:01:03,660 I didn't want to go there. 1625 01:01:04,827 --> 01:01:06,729 Really, I think I wanted to play safe, 1626 01:01:06,762 --> 01:01:09,765 and that's the first time I'd ever cried in work. 1627 01:01:11,032 --> 01:01:12,334 You like her, don't you? 1628 01:01:13,668 --> 01:01:14,871 Of course I like her. 1629 01:01:16,671 --> 01:01:19,943 Yeah, but you like her in that special way. 1630 01:01:21,543 --> 01:01:22,678 In the songs. 1631 01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:25,381 What songs? 1632 01:01:26,782 --> 01:01:29,285 Well, I've sold myself for a couple of dykes. 1633 01:01:30,485 --> 01:01:32,354 She needs me, George. 1634 01:01:33,322 --> 01:01:35,258 And you needed me to get her. 1635 01:01:36,057 --> 01:01:37,726 You ever need someone? 1636 01:01:40,829 --> 01:01:42,331 All the time. 1637 01:01:42,363 --> 01:01:43,197 NEIL: When you think of it, 1638 01:01:43,231 --> 01:01:44,800 that's a very difficult thing to do, 1639 01:01:44,832 --> 01:01:46,068 'cause I had them both wearing ridiculous glasses. 1640 01:01:46,101 --> 01:01:47,769 In a context, that could almost be comic, 1641 01:01:47,802 --> 01:01:49,337 but actually in a situation 1642 01:01:49,371 --> 01:01:50,539 where they're crying to each other, 1643 01:01:50,572 --> 01:01:51,807 they played it like a love story 1644 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,042 that never actually had a chance to happen 1645 01:01:53,075 --> 01:01:54,644 which I thought was marvelous. 1646 01:01:54,677 --> 01:01:56,412 So we got it into Cannes Film Festival, 1647 01:01:56,445 --> 01:01:59,914 and Bob won the prize for Best Actor, 1648 01:01:59,947 --> 01:02:01,750 and then they had to fly him out there. 1649 01:02:01,784 --> 01:02:05,053 They were sort of announcing on stage, Bob's progress, 1650 01:02:05,086 --> 01:02:08,090 so they were like "Monsieur Bob has arrived at the airport." 1651 01:02:08,122 --> 01:02:09,557 They called him Monsieur Bob. 1652 01:02:09,590 --> 01:02:10,558 And then they were like, 10 minutes later, 1653 01:02:10,592 --> 01:02:11,894 "Monsieur Bob is on the car." 1654 01:02:11,927 --> 01:02:12,861 And then 10 minutes later, 1655 01:02:12,894 --> 01:02:14,329 "Monsieur Bob is on the quaset." 1656 01:02:14,363 --> 01:02:16,065 And the audience would clap, 1657 01:02:16,097 --> 01:02:18,300 it was like Bob was the star of the show. 1658 01:02:19,702 --> 01:02:21,070 Well, at the time Bob arrived, 1659 01:02:21,102 --> 01:02:21,936 the whole place was standing up. 1660 01:02:21,970 --> 01:02:24,340 It was an absolutely lovely evening, 1661 01:02:24,372 --> 01:02:26,909 and what Cannes set off for Bob 1662 01:02:26,941 --> 01:02:30,746 was this sort of avalanche of nominations and awards. 1663 01:02:30,778 --> 01:02:33,015 (CLAPPING) 1664 01:02:40,988 --> 01:02:42,557 And I had done "The Killing Fields", 1665 01:02:42,590 --> 01:02:44,326 and I showed "Withnail and I" 1666 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,630 to an old friend of mine in L.A., 1667 01:02:47,662 --> 01:02:49,931 and I said I'd love to get this made. 1668 01:02:49,965 --> 01:02:52,434 We took the script into HandMade, 1669 01:02:52,468 --> 01:02:56,072 where Denis sort of spat on it and handed it back, 1670 01:02:56,104 --> 01:02:58,807 but Ray Cooper, he read it and loved it, 1671 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,143 and gave it to George who was flying to New York that night, 1672 01:03:02,177 --> 01:03:03,479 and George read it on the plane, 1673 01:03:03,512 --> 01:03:05,414 arrived in New York, phoned Ray up, 1674 01:03:05,447 --> 01:03:07,149 and said "We're making this." 1675 01:03:07,182 --> 01:03:09,118 And so Denis was overridden. 1676 01:03:09,151 --> 01:03:10,486 It was a funny story, 1677 01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:12,354 and we tend to do things which 1678 01:03:13,389 --> 01:03:14,523 other companies don't do, 1679 01:03:14,555 --> 01:03:15,890 because first of all, 1680 01:03:15,923 --> 01:03:17,959 they're not really that commercial, 1681 01:03:17,992 --> 01:03:20,628 and yet, I think if something's really good, 1682 01:03:20,662 --> 01:03:22,098 it deserves to be made. 1683 01:03:24,133 --> 01:03:25,134 Have you got soup? 1684 01:03:26,401 --> 01:03:28,604 Why didn't I get any soup? 1685 01:03:28,637 --> 01:03:30,072 Coffee. 1686 01:03:30,104 --> 01:03:31,907 Why don't you use a cup like any other human being? 1687 01:03:31,939 --> 01:03:33,142 Why don't you wash up occasionally 1688 01:03:33,175 --> 01:03:34,843 like any other human being? 1689 01:03:34,876 --> 01:03:36,177 How dare you! 1690 01:03:36,211 --> 01:03:38,046 How dare you! 1691 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,548 How dare you call me inhumane. 1692 01:03:40,581 --> 01:03:41,750 I didn't call you inhumane. 1693 01:03:41,784 --> 01:03:43,651 You merely imagined it, calm down. 1694 01:03:43,684 --> 01:03:44,887 Right, you fucker. 1695 01:03:44,919 --> 01:03:45,820 I'm gonna do the washing up. 1696 01:03:45,854 --> 01:03:47,156 No, no, you can't! 1697 01:03:48,157 --> 01:03:49,725 It's impossible, I swear! 1698 01:03:49,758 --> 01:03:50,659 I've looked into it. 1699 01:03:50,691 --> 01:03:52,193 Listen to me, listen to me! 1700 01:03:52,227 --> 01:03:53,129 There are things in there, 1701 01:03:53,162 --> 01:03:54,864 there's a teabag growing! 1702 01:03:54,896 --> 01:03:56,965 And you haven't slept in 60 hours, 1703 01:03:56,999 --> 01:03:58,834 you're in no state to tackle it. 1704 01:03:58,867 --> 01:04:00,569 Wait 'til the morning, we'll go in together. 1705 01:04:00,602 --> 01:04:01,804 This is the morning! 1706 01:04:01,836 --> 01:04:02,737 Stand aside. 1707 01:04:02,771 --> 01:04:03,606 Okay. 1708 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,709 My agent at the time was Michael Whitehall, 1709 01:04:07,742 --> 01:04:09,945 and he called me up, 1710 01:04:09,977 --> 01:04:12,615 and I'd only been with him, I think, for two months. 1711 01:04:12,648 --> 01:04:15,751 And he said, "I've read this script, 1712 01:04:15,784 --> 01:04:18,153 "the people in the office think it's quite funny, 1713 01:04:18,186 --> 01:04:19,822 "and it has an unpronounceable title." 1714 01:04:19,854 --> 01:04:21,890 The reason I call him Fatty Grand, 1715 01:04:21,923 --> 01:04:23,892 and still do call him Fatty, 1716 01:04:23,925 --> 01:04:25,894 when he came in for the job, 1717 01:04:25,927 --> 01:04:29,697 he was like a porky, 50s face, 1718 01:04:29,731 --> 01:04:32,700 Dirk Bogarde, but very porky Dirk Bogarde, 1719 01:04:32,733 --> 01:04:35,804 who was clearly pretty desperate to work. 1720 01:04:35,838 --> 01:04:37,807 He said, "Can you read the first page 1721 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,775 "of the kitchen scene?" 1722 01:04:39,807 --> 01:04:42,577 It came to a line where Withnail says 1723 01:04:42,610 --> 01:04:44,179 "Fork it!" about matter that's growing out 1724 01:04:44,213 --> 01:04:45,548 of the kitchen sink. 1725 01:04:45,581 --> 01:04:46,981 I had the script in one hand, 1726 01:04:47,014 --> 01:04:50,718 and with this had an imaginary fork in my hand, 1727 01:04:50,751 --> 01:04:51,519 and I went... 1728 01:04:51,552 --> 01:04:52,755 "Fork it!" 1729 01:04:52,787 --> 01:04:53,988 Like that, and threw the script at me. 1730 01:04:54,021 --> 01:04:55,590 And he said, "Have you ever attacked 1731 01:04:55,624 --> 01:04:56,859 "any other directors before?" 1732 01:04:56,892 --> 01:04:58,127 And I said, "No, not yet." 1733 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,063 And I thought, Christ, you've got that line 1734 01:05:01,095 --> 01:05:02,931 so 100% right. 1735 01:05:02,965 --> 01:05:04,499 If you can do that, you can do the rest, 1736 01:05:04,532 --> 01:05:05,733 so you got the part. 1737 01:05:05,767 --> 01:05:07,169 But I knew that if I got this part, 1738 01:05:07,202 --> 01:05:09,238 it would literally change my life, 1739 01:05:09,271 --> 01:05:11,907 and when I did get it, it did. 1740 01:05:11,939 --> 01:05:13,608 Keep back, keep back. 1741 01:05:13,642 --> 01:05:15,010 The entire sink's gone rotten. 1742 01:05:15,043 --> 01:05:16,445 I don't know what's in here. 1743 01:05:18,146 --> 01:05:19,148 Ah, ah! 1744 01:05:20,249 --> 01:05:21,684 I told you, you've been bitten! 1745 01:05:21,717 --> 01:05:24,086 Burned, burned, the fucking kettle's on fire! 1746 01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:25,287 There's something floating up. 1747 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:26,255 Fork it! 1748 01:05:26,287 --> 01:05:27,856 Slate one. 1749 01:05:27,889 --> 01:05:29,657 My audition for it was in Kensington, 1750 01:05:29,691 --> 01:05:31,126 and I was like an hour early. 1751 01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:33,729 I was all gypsyish and nail varnished up 1752 01:05:33,762 --> 01:05:34,530 and stuff like that, 1753 01:05:34,563 --> 01:05:35,764 but I had the script. 1754 01:05:35,796 --> 01:05:36,999 And my first line is, 1755 01:05:37,032 --> 01:05:38,834 "You're looking very beautiful today, man." 1756 01:05:38,867 --> 01:05:40,269 And I just thought, right, 1757 01:05:40,302 --> 01:05:41,269 you're looking very beautiful today, man. 1758 01:05:41,302 --> 01:05:43,204 And I was like, no, 1759 01:05:43,238 --> 01:05:45,073 you're looking very beautiful today, man. 1760 01:05:45,106 --> 01:05:47,942 I was like, no, I honestly said that one line to myself 1761 01:05:47,976 --> 01:05:49,845 over and over again for an hour, 1762 01:05:49,878 --> 01:05:51,046 until I said... 1763 01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:52,715 You're looking very beautiful, man. 1764 01:05:52,747 --> 01:05:53,916 Have you been away? 1765 01:05:53,948 --> 01:05:57,086 I was like yeah, that's it, just that line. 1766 01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,523 And I always attribute that to why I got cast. 1767 01:06:00,555 --> 01:06:05,561 It was my first movie, and Richard's, and Paul's, 1768 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:06,794 and Bruce's. 1769 01:06:06,827 --> 01:06:07,697 And so... 1770 01:06:09,164 --> 01:06:10,599 Nobody knew what the fuck they were doing. 1771 01:06:10,631 --> 01:06:12,934 Suddenly I'm up a hill with 80 people, 1772 01:06:12,968 --> 01:06:15,805 you know, not knowing my ass from my elbow 1773 01:06:16,704 --> 01:06:18,139 as a film director. 1774 01:06:18,173 --> 01:06:20,943 I know Bruce got up on a little stool on his first day 1775 01:06:20,976 --> 01:06:22,912 which was somewhere in the Late District, 1776 01:06:22,945 --> 01:06:24,313 and said, "Hello, I'm Bruce Robinson." 1777 01:06:24,345 --> 01:06:27,315 "I know nothing, you all know about 1778 01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:28,950 "camera moves and lenses." 1779 01:06:28,983 --> 01:06:30,184 He said, "I'm not gonna be one of those 1780 01:06:30,218 --> 01:06:31,052 "who walks around going, you know, 1781 01:06:31,086 --> 01:06:33,155 "give me a 50, give ma 35 on this." 1782 01:06:33,188 --> 01:06:33,988 He said, "I'm not gonna do any of that, 1783 01:06:34,021 --> 01:06:35,157 "because I don't know." 1784 01:06:35,189 --> 01:06:36,958 "So any help you give me will be gratefully received, 1785 01:06:36,992 --> 01:06:38,193 "thank you very much." 1786 01:06:38,226 --> 01:06:39,193 And everyone just went like that, 1787 01:06:39,227 --> 01:06:40,729 and it was just the best thing he could've done. 1788 01:06:40,762 --> 01:06:42,831 Which made everybody feel that 1789 01:06:42,863 --> 01:06:44,132 they were prat of a team. 1790 01:06:45,666 --> 01:06:47,903 Stop, please, please stop! 1791 01:06:51,072 --> 01:06:52,140 Please, stop. 1792 01:06:53,374 --> 01:06:54,275 Are you the farmer? 1793 01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:55,878 Shut up, I'll deal with this! 1794 01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:58,079 We've gone on holiday by mistake. 1795 01:06:58,113 --> 01:06:59,648 We're in this cottage here. 1796 01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:00,582 Are you the farmer? 1797 01:07:00,615 --> 01:07:02,117 Stop saying that, Withnail. 1798 01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:04,653 Of course he's the fucking farmer! 1799 01:07:04,686 --> 01:07:06,287 The thing about making movies is that 1800 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,123 no matter how good the weather is to you, 1801 01:07:09,157 --> 01:07:11,059 how good the crew is, how good the script is, 1802 01:07:11,093 --> 01:07:14,063 how good the actors are, how good you are, 1803 01:07:14,095 --> 01:07:17,198 if you haven't got luck, you're fucked, you know? 1804 01:07:17,231 --> 01:07:19,101 And "Withnail" is the only thing I think 1805 01:07:19,133 --> 01:07:21,269 I've ever done in my life where we had luck. 1806 01:07:21,302 --> 01:07:23,204 First day of filming was on a Monday, 1807 01:07:23,238 --> 01:07:24,406 and the generator broke down, 1808 01:07:24,439 --> 01:07:26,207 so that was a delay. 1809 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,242 Then Denis O'Brien, one of the producers, 1810 01:07:28,276 --> 01:07:30,379 announced that we were over-schedule already, 1811 01:07:30,412 --> 01:07:32,047 the title had to be changed. 1812 01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:33,815 It seemed like everything that could go wrong 1813 01:07:33,849 --> 01:07:36,852 the first day was dooming us. 1814 01:07:36,885 --> 01:07:37,986 There's two of them here, look. 1815 01:07:38,019 --> 01:07:40,222 I knew I was getting what I wanted. 1816 01:07:40,255 --> 01:07:43,358 I absolutely knew that what we were doing was right, 1817 01:07:43,392 --> 01:07:47,096 and here comes Denis, he hates everything to do with it. 1818 01:07:47,128 --> 01:07:48,930 It just isn't funny, 1819 01:07:48,963 --> 01:07:50,666 "There's nothing funny in it." 1820 01:07:50,698 --> 01:07:52,133 He was awful to this film, 1821 01:07:52,166 --> 01:07:54,302 he thought it was funny as bloody lung cancer, 1822 01:07:54,336 --> 01:07:56,939 you know, he hated everything about it. 1823 01:07:56,972 --> 01:07:58,006 Then I said, "All right, fuck it, 1824 01:07:58,039 --> 01:07:59,974 "get somebody else, I'm off." 1825 01:08:00,008 --> 01:08:01,710 You know, I do it the way I'm gonna do it 1826 01:08:01,742 --> 01:08:02,710 or I'm not doing it, 1827 01:08:02,744 --> 01:08:03,946 what do you want me to do? 1828 01:08:03,979 --> 01:08:05,747 And I literally did say "Where's the bus?" 1829 01:08:05,780 --> 01:08:07,115 And I nearly had a thrombosis. 1830 01:08:07,148 --> 01:08:08,750 I said, you can't, I've told everybody. 1831 01:08:08,784 --> 01:08:10,119 "It's my only chance to be in a film, 1832 01:08:10,152 --> 01:08:11,120 "I'll never be in another in my whole life, 1833 01:08:11,152 --> 01:08:12,153 "I've told..." 1834 01:08:12,187 --> 01:08:13,055 (LAUGHING) 1835 01:08:13,088 --> 01:08:16,058 'Cause it's his only job since 1956. 1836 01:08:16,090 --> 01:08:18,861 And he said "Oh, just calm down, I'm grandstanding." 1837 01:08:18,893 --> 01:08:21,195 So he called Denis O'Brien's bluff on this. 1838 01:08:21,228 --> 01:08:22,997 Ray Cooper, who was up there, 1839 01:08:23,031 --> 01:08:26,068 got ahold of Denis, and walked him round the block 1840 01:08:26,101 --> 01:08:27,670 on this mountainside. 1841 01:08:27,702 --> 01:08:30,039 It was muddy and sloshy and everything else, 1842 01:08:30,071 --> 01:08:33,141 and I don't think Denis was very comfortable 1843 01:08:33,174 --> 01:08:35,710 in that environment particularly. 1844 01:08:35,744 --> 01:08:38,112 With George behind me, I could stand my ground, 1845 01:08:38,146 --> 01:08:39,747 probably knowing that Denis could've fired me 1846 01:08:39,781 --> 01:08:42,251 and then George would've re-established me the next day. 1847 01:08:42,284 --> 01:08:44,219 And he came back here and he said, 1848 01:08:44,251 --> 01:08:47,055 "Okay, okay, I'm off." 1849 01:08:47,089 --> 01:08:49,692 It immediately galvanized us into a kind of 1850 01:08:49,724 --> 01:08:53,161 us against the bad authoritarian ogre, 1851 01:08:53,195 --> 01:08:55,331 Denis O'Brien looming over you. 1852 01:08:57,198 --> 01:08:58,933 I must have some booze. 1853 01:08:58,967 --> 01:09:01,202 I demand to have some booze! 1854 01:09:04,272 --> 01:09:05,506 I wouldn't drink that if I was you. 1855 01:09:05,540 --> 01:09:06,442 Why not, why not? 1856 01:09:06,474 --> 01:09:08,110 Because I don't advise it. 1857 01:09:08,143 --> 01:09:09,745 Even the wankers on the site wouldn't drink that, 1858 01:09:09,777 --> 01:09:10,512 that's worse than meths. 1859 01:09:10,545 --> 01:09:11,847 Nonsense! 1860 01:09:11,879 --> 01:09:13,715 This is a far superior drink to meths. 1861 01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:14,849 The wankers don't drink it 1862 01:09:14,883 --> 01:09:16,285 because they can't afford it. 1863 01:09:18,553 --> 01:09:20,890 (GASPING) 1864 01:09:22,223 --> 01:09:24,125 Have we got anymore? 1865 01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:26,260 Liar, what's in your toolbox? 1866 01:09:26,294 --> 01:09:27,196 No, we have nothing. 1867 01:09:27,228 --> 01:09:28,262 Sit down. 1868 01:09:28,295 --> 01:09:29,263 Liar! 1869 01:09:29,296 --> 01:09:30,965 You've got antifreeze. 1870 01:09:30,999 --> 01:09:31,967 You bloody fool. 1871 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,936 You should never mix your drinks! 1872 01:09:33,969 --> 01:09:36,205 (CACKLING) 1873 01:09:38,807 --> 01:09:42,344 I knew that the film was the story I had in my head, 1874 01:09:42,376 --> 01:09:45,080 and we couldn't get a release on it. 1875 01:09:45,112 --> 01:09:48,416 And finally, they did get a release, 1876 01:09:48,450 --> 01:09:50,152 and I think it only played for a couple of weeks 1877 01:09:50,184 --> 01:09:51,786 and vanished, and that was it. 1878 01:09:51,820 --> 01:09:53,054 The whole cult thing of it 1879 01:09:53,088 --> 01:09:55,823 didn't happen for a good 10 years after release. 1880 01:09:55,857 --> 01:09:57,192 It was like the mid-90s when it started 1881 01:09:57,224 --> 01:10:00,461 picking up steam, started getting passed around colleges. 1882 01:10:00,495 --> 01:10:04,166 It became this film that was a rites of passage. 1883 01:10:04,198 --> 01:10:07,369 You had to go to university, get pissed, 1884 01:10:07,402 --> 01:10:10,806 eat a curry, and watch "Withnail and I", you know? 1885 01:10:10,839 --> 01:10:11,473 (CHUCKLING) 1886 01:10:11,505 --> 01:10:12,874 Very weird. 1887 01:10:12,907 --> 01:10:15,943 I think Bruce has immodestly thought 1888 01:10:15,977 --> 01:10:17,112 he's written a masterpiece, 1889 01:10:17,144 --> 01:10:18,813 and directed a masterpiece, 1890 01:10:18,847 --> 01:10:21,082 and I don't think there's any change 1891 01:10:21,116 --> 01:10:25,854 in that sensibility or viewpoint of his. 1892 01:10:27,289 --> 01:10:28,823 And people keep telling him so. 1893 01:10:28,857 --> 01:10:30,125 We went out one night in London, 1894 01:10:30,157 --> 01:10:33,227 me and Bruce were absolutely assholed drunk, 1895 01:10:33,260 --> 01:10:34,862 and we was out on the pavement at one point 1896 01:10:34,896 --> 01:10:38,400 having a joint, and Bruce said, 1897 01:10:38,433 --> 01:10:41,903 "I don't care what the fuckers do to us, 1898 01:10:41,937 --> 01:10:44,140 "we'll always have "Withnail", Ralph!" 1899 01:10:46,006 --> 01:10:47,910 And he fucking meant it. 1900 01:10:47,942 --> 01:10:50,478 Because he kinda knew that that was gonna be it. 1901 01:10:52,246 --> 01:10:53,214 You know? 1902 01:10:53,247 --> 01:10:54,183 And that he would then have to have a career 1903 01:10:54,215 --> 01:10:55,150 for the next 25 years, 1904 01:10:55,183 --> 01:10:57,520 but that was gonna be it. 1905 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,055 Yeah. 1906 01:11:00,088 --> 01:11:03,025 INTERVIEWER: And what's your ambition for HandMade now? 1907 01:11:03,058 --> 01:11:04,326 HandMade? 1908 01:11:04,358 --> 01:11:06,160 I don't have many ambitions at all, 1909 01:11:06,193 --> 01:11:08,397 not for HandMade, not for anything really. 1910 01:11:08,429 --> 01:11:09,430 I think ambition is something 1911 01:11:09,464 --> 01:11:11,567 you have to try and get rid of. 1912 01:11:11,599 --> 01:11:15,170 (WESTERN ACOUSTIC MUSIC) 1913 01:11:16,937 --> 01:11:17,905 As time went on of course, 1914 01:11:17,938 --> 01:11:19,374 and the business got bigger, 1915 01:11:19,406 --> 01:11:23,077 we were moving into transatlantic filmmaking. 1916 01:11:23,111 --> 01:11:25,479 Certainly, one cannot make films today 1917 01:11:25,513 --> 01:11:27,649 without being aware of eventual 1918 01:11:27,682 --> 01:11:29,318 exploitation in the United States. 1919 01:11:29,351 --> 01:11:30,251 RAY: And I don't know if this didn't 1920 01:11:30,285 --> 01:11:32,120 have a lot to do with that. 1921 01:11:32,152 --> 01:11:35,189 George became uneasy as it got bigger 1922 01:11:35,223 --> 01:11:37,226 because that wasn't the philosophy. 1923 01:11:37,259 --> 01:11:39,061 MAN: They seemed to go off the rails a bit. 1924 01:11:39,094 --> 01:11:42,931 BRUCE: They were pushing into Hollywood without talent. 1925 01:11:42,964 --> 01:11:46,168 Without the ideas, or the risks that they took. 1926 01:11:46,201 --> 01:11:49,304 It got too big, perhaps, 1927 01:11:49,336 --> 01:11:52,674 and really didn't take George with it. 1928 01:11:52,706 --> 01:11:54,142 In my talks with him, I'd say, 1929 01:11:54,174 --> 01:11:56,110 "Well, we're doing this in America." 1930 01:11:56,143 --> 01:11:57,111 And he would say, "Why?" 1931 01:11:57,144 --> 01:11:59,348 I said "Well, I don't know actually, George. 1932 01:12:00,281 --> 01:12:01,482 "And I've read the script, 1933 01:12:01,515 --> 01:12:04,318 "and I really don't know what we're doing, 1934 01:12:04,352 --> 01:12:06,088 "but there must be a good reason for doing it, 1935 01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,289 "there must be a business reason for doing it." 1936 01:12:08,322 --> 01:12:10,358 Which is actually not the right reason to do it. 1937 01:12:10,392 --> 01:12:14,162 I think it only makes good sense for us 1938 01:12:14,195 --> 01:12:17,131 to diversify our portfolio, 1939 01:12:17,165 --> 01:12:19,635 and to take on as many different things as we can. 1940 01:12:19,668 --> 01:12:22,304 I think we can still play a contribution 1941 01:12:22,336 --> 01:12:25,006 to the film business by going to the States. 1942 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,341 I mean, I think we should be open enough, 1943 01:12:26,374 --> 01:12:28,477 and certainly geographically open 1944 01:12:28,509 --> 01:12:30,945 to go wherever it makes sense for us. 1945 01:12:35,349 --> 01:12:36,951 I tried to figure out a way 1946 01:12:36,985 --> 01:12:39,353 to do "Powwow Highway" completely independently. 1947 01:12:39,387 --> 01:12:42,357 I put together pieces of money, 1948 01:12:42,389 --> 01:12:47,396 so I contacted HandMade, I got a response from Denis O'Brien 1949 01:12:49,563 --> 01:12:52,733 to say they are very interested in the project, 1950 01:12:52,767 --> 01:12:57,104 and meet him at the Bel-Air Hotel next week 1951 01:12:57,138 --> 01:12:59,707 to discuss HandMade making the movie. 1952 01:12:59,741 --> 01:13:01,644 And I went "Holy shit!". 1953 01:13:06,714 --> 01:13:10,184 ♪ Well, it's all right ♪ 1954 01:13:10,218 --> 01:13:11,119 ♪ Riding around ♪ 1955 01:13:11,152 --> 01:13:12,554 Island had "Checking Out", 1956 01:13:12,586 --> 01:13:15,557 but it got then passed on to HandMade. 1957 01:13:15,589 --> 01:13:17,959 I guess the honeymoon period of that 1958 01:13:17,992 --> 01:13:21,028 was meeting Denis and being taken out to dinner, 1959 01:13:21,062 --> 01:13:24,433 and how HandMade could best facilitate the film. 1960 01:13:24,465 --> 01:13:26,668 On the surface, "Powwow Highway" is a story 1961 01:13:26,701 --> 01:13:30,171 about Buddy Red Bow gets a call from his sister 1962 01:13:30,205 --> 01:13:33,207 who's been setup in a marijuana bust 1963 01:13:33,241 --> 01:13:35,310 to come and get her and her kids. 1964 01:13:35,343 --> 01:13:38,647 He and his buddy, Philbert, who has a car, 1965 01:13:38,679 --> 01:13:43,451 travel down to Santa Fe and manage to solve the problem. 1966 01:13:43,485 --> 01:13:46,054 Jeff Daniels plays a junior exec 1967 01:13:46,086 --> 01:13:48,189 for Bonair, an airline company, 1968 01:13:48,223 --> 01:13:52,693 and a senior exec in that company played by Allan Havey, 1969 01:13:52,727 --> 01:13:54,796 has a heart attack and dies. 1970 01:13:54,829 --> 01:13:58,733 This eventually released the hypochondriac in Daniels 1971 01:13:58,767 --> 01:14:02,737 and he becomes convinced that maybe he's next in line. 1972 01:14:04,272 --> 01:14:06,140 So, it's about panic attacks, 1973 01:14:06,174 --> 01:14:07,075 it's about what he goes through 1974 01:14:07,108 --> 01:14:10,245 and how that disrupts the whole family. 1975 01:14:10,277 --> 01:14:13,180 The fact that it was about two Native people 1976 01:14:13,214 --> 01:14:15,784 in a context which had not been tackled before 1977 01:14:16,718 --> 01:14:18,120 made me very excited. 1978 01:14:18,152 --> 01:14:20,222 Well, I was astonished when I read the script. 1979 01:14:20,254 --> 01:14:23,457 Stories like this just don't get told very often, 1980 01:14:23,491 --> 01:14:24,693 especially back then. 1981 01:14:24,726 --> 01:14:26,628 You know, you're talking close to 30 years ago. 1982 01:14:26,661 --> 01:14:30,365 In the United States, it was kind of groundbreaking 1983 01:14:30,397 --> 01:14:31,799 in that way. 1984 01:14:31,832 --> 01:14:33,535 But a lot of people seemed to be still surprised 1985 01:14:33,567 --> 01:14:35,736 at the exploitation that is like 1986 01:14:35,769 --> 01:14:39,473 the daily reality of people who live on reserves, you know. 1987 01:14:39,506 --> 01:14:42,643 We were filming a sequence in heaven, 1988 01:14:42,677 --> 01:14:45,647 the reception for heaven we filmed at Union Station 1989 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:48,616 in Los Angeles, and George was there on that day. 1990 01:14:48,650 --> 01:14:50,552 And he said, "Ah, come on, I want to be in the film, 1991 01:14:50,585 --> 01:14:52,120 "I want to be in the film." 1992 01:14:52,152 --> 01:14:54,155 So, there's this character in the background 1993 01:14:54,188 --> 01:14:57,058 who is mopping the floor, and that's George. 1994 01:14:57,092 --> 01:14:58,293 I don't think anybody... 1995 01:14:58,326 --> 01:15:01,262 And if they didn't know, they wouldn't know it was George, 1996 01:15:01,295 --> 01:15:02,463 but he's in the shot. 1997 01:15:02,496 --> 01:15:06,267 I had not had any contact with HandMade 1998 01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:07,768 during the shooting of the film. 1999 01:15:07,802 --> 01:15:11,072 They left us alone until we got into the cutting room. 2000 01:15:11,106 --> 01:15:13,508 I don't remember getting notes or anything 2001 01:15:13,540 --> 01:15:15,776 to tell me how to shoot and make the film. 2002 01:15:15,809 --> 01:15:17,879 That only started when we were cutting the film, 2003 01:15:17,911 --> 01:15:19,780 when we started editing. 2004 01:15:19,813 --> 01:15:21,415 Shortly before we got done, 2005 01:15:21,448 --> 01:15:26,254 producer Jan Wieringa got a call from Denis O'Brien 2006 01:15:26,286 --> 01:15:31,293 to say, "You need to send me a VHS copy of the film. 2007 01:15:32,293 --> 01:15:33,628 "I will sit down with my editor, 2008 01:15:33,661 --> 01:15:36,198 "and let you know what changes you need to make." 2009 01:15:36,231 --> 01:15:39,835 So, a VHS copy was shipped off to London, 2010 01:15:39,867 --> 01:15:43,838 and then we get notes back, 2011 01:15:43,871 --> 01:15:46,842 saying, with a list of all the changes to be made. 2012 01:15:46,875 --> 01:15:50,245 There was a lot of discussion 2013 01:15:50,277 --> 01:15:55,284 that turned into arguments that I had with Denis O'Brien. 2014 01:15:56,550 --> 01:16:00,287 He suggested the cut for a particular scene or scenes, 2015 01:16:00,321 --> 01:16:04,358 and I said "I've tried that, I don't think that works." 2016 01:16:04,392 --> 01:16:06,661 He would wag his finger. 2017 01:16:06,693 --> 01:16:07,829 And I said, "Well, how do you know?" 2018 01:16:07,862 --> 01:16:08,997 He said, "Oh, because I've cut it, 2019 01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:12,701 "and I know it works, and that's what you should do." 2020 01:16:12,733 --> 01:16:13,869 And that's when I realized 2021 01:16:13,902 --> 01:16:16,638 he had his own cutting room in London. 2022 01:16:16,670 --> 01:16:18,305 I looked at this thing, 2023 01:16:18,339 --> 01:16:20,609 and the first cut was like so absurd and so wrong. 2024 01:16:20,642 --> 01:16:22,244 I called the producer over and I said, 2025 01:16:22,277 --> 01:16:23,778 "Jan, I can't make this cut, 2026 01:16:23,811 --> 01:16:25,447 "it just doesn't make any sense." 2027 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,581 And we didn't get back to them, 2028 01:16:27,615 --> 01:16:30,652 he just assumed that this was what would happen. 2029 01:16:30,684 --> 01:16:33,287 That led to a lot of conflict, 2030 01:16:33,321 --> 01:16:36,457 but I didn't involve George in that. 2031 01:16:36,491 --> 01:16:39,227 I didn't want that to spoil the friendship 2032 01:16:39,259 --> 01:16:41,396 that I had with George. 2033 01:16:41,429 --> 01:16:43,431 And it wasn't until one day 2034 01:16:43,464 --> 01:16:45,634 I got a phone call from Denis O'Brien, 2035 01:16:45,666 --> 01:16:48,402 it was at least an hour on the phone arguing, 2036 01:16:48,436 --> 01:16:50,438 a fiery argument with O'Brien, 2037 01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:53,842 that Olivia, George's wife Olivia 2038 01:16:53,875 --> 01:16:57,212 overheard the conversation at the end of the phone call. 2039 01:16:57,245 --> 01:16:59,581 She said, "What was all that about?" 2040 01:16:59,613 --> 01:17:01,683 And I explained, and she said, 2041 01:17:01,715 --> 01:17:02,851 "Does George know about this?' 2042 01:17:02,884 --> 01:17:05,287 And I said, "No, she doesn't know anything about this." 2043 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,557 And she said, "Well, George must know." 2044 01:17:08,589 --> 01:17:11,192 And she then told him. 2045 01:17:11,226 --> 01:17:12,727 So then we get a call to say 2046 01:17:12,759 --> 01:17:14,762 that Denis is coming to town, 2047 01:17:14,795 --> 01:17:16,764 and he wants to see the film. 2048 01:17:16,798 --> 01:17:17,698 Okay. 2049 01:17:17,732 --> 01:17:19,401 So, we're all kinda like, hm, 2050 01:17:19,433 --> 01:17:20,534 this is gonna be interesting. 2051 01:17:20,567 --> 01:17:22,670 (LAUGHING) 2052 01:17:22,704 --> 01:17:25,273 And you know, set it up, 2053 01:17:25,305 --> 01:17:27,342 we went into this screening room, 2054 01:17:27,375 --> 01:17:29,244 and lo and behold, you know, 2055 01:17:29,277 --> 01:17:31,646 Denis comes in, followed by George, 2056 01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:33,515 and we sat down and George said, 2057 01:17:33,548 --> 01:17:35,015 "Well, let's take a look." 2058 01:17:35,049 --> 01:17:37,552 We rolled the film, and I knew exactly 2059 01:17:37,585 --> 01:17:38,787 where all the places were, 2060 01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:40,688 and as we sort of got to one of those places, 2061 01:17:40,722 --> 01:17:44,291 I sort you know, waited for some response. 2062 01:17:44,325 --> 01:17:45,227 Nothing. 2063 01:17:45,259 --> 01:17:47,329 Got to another place, nothing. 2064 01:17:48,062 --> 01:17:49,598 And the film ended, 2065 01:17:50,798 --> 01:17:52,500 George immediately started clapping, 2066 01:17:52,532 --> 01:17:53,934 he just sat in his seat and clapped, 2067 01:17:53,968 --> 01:17:56,470 and his wife clapped, and he got up, 2068 01:17:56,504 --> 01:17:57,872 and he turned to me and he said 2069 01:17:57,905 --> 01:18:00,608 "Great, don't change a thing." 2070 01:18:00,642 --> 01:18:03,445 And Denis, who was sitting further down, 2071 01:18:04,545 --> 01:18:06,582 got up and just walked out of the room. 2072 01:18:07,682 --> 01:18:09,951 You know, cold, out of the room. 2073 01:18:09,983 --> 01:18:11,652 Never heard from the guy again, 2074 01:18:11,686 --> 01:18:14,322 never saw the guy again, that was it. 2075 01:18:14,354 --> 01:18:15,589 You know, I'm not interested in telling 2076 01:18:15,622 --> 01:18:16,758 somebody what to do. 2077 01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:18,259 It's like, what's the point 2078 01:18:18,293 --> 01:18:21,729 of having a bass player on a session 2079 01:18:21,763 --> 01:18:23,865 and then telling him what to do? 2080 01:18:23,897 --> 01:18:25,933 I'd rather keep away from that side. 2081 01:18:25,967 --> 01:18:28,469 And that culminated in a screening 2082 01:18:28,503 --> 01:18:32,340 of Denis's cut to which George arrived 2083 01:18:32,372 --> 01:18:35,309 right on the end of an awful emotional dilemma, 2084 01:18:35,343 --> 01:18:38,313 and he sat down next to me before the screening. 2085 01:18:38,345 --> 01:18:40,314 He said, "I don't know what to do about this. 2086 01:18:40,348 --> 01:18:42,317 "If this doesn't work, it's gonna cost me 2087 01:18:42,349 --> 01:18:43,785 "at least a million." 2088 01:18:43,817 --> 01:18:45,586 And that was clearly as a result 2089 01:18:45,620 --> 01:18:47,722 of whatever discussion or pressure 2090 01:18:47,754 --> 01:18:49,957 that had been put on him by Denis O'Brien, 2091 01:18:49,991 --> 01:18:51,660 to get his cut of the film 2092 01:18:51,692 --> 01:18:53,762 as opposed to the director's cut. 2093 01:18:53,795 --> 01:18:54,696 George actually said, 2094 01:18:54,728 --> 01:18:56,097 "I don't think it's as good, 2095 01:18:56,129 --> 01:18:58,332 "but I don't know what else we can do." 2096 01:18:58,366 --> 01:18:59,701 You know, there's always this battle 2097 01:18:59,733 --> 01:19:03,071 between the artists and the money people, 2098 01:19:03,103 --> 01:19:06,640 and I don't particularly like being the money. 2099 01:19:06,674 --> 01:19:08,677 The first thing we did actually, 2100 01:19:10,077 --> 01:19:12,479 is we tried to get it into Sundance, and we did, 2101 01:19:12,513 --> 01:19:14,416 it was accepted into Sundance. 2102 01:19:14,448 --> 01:19:16,617 And yeah, and then they announced that the film 2103 01:19:16,651 --> 01:19:18,086 had won the Filmmaker's Trophy. 2104 01:19:18,119 --> 01:19:20,722 Sundance was great, and it kind of put us on the map, 2105 01:19:20,754 --> 01:19:23,991 and then Denis sold the film to Warner Brothers, 2106 01:19:24,025 --> 01:19:25,326 and they blew it. 2107 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:26,228 Warner Brothers played it for one week, 2108 01:19:26,260 --> 01:19:28,062 you know, obviously in, I don't know, 2109 01:19:28,095 --> 01:19:30,098 some suburb of St. Louis, Missouri, 2110 01:19:30,130 --> 01:19:32,066 nobody was gonna go and watch the movie, 2111 01:19:32,099 --> 01:19:34,134 and then they pulled it. 2112 01:19:34,168 --> 01:19:36,603 When it was all finished and locked, 2113 01:19:36,637 --> 01:19:38,139 Jeff Daniels summed it up. 2114 01:19:38,171 --> 01:19:41,608 He said, "Well, I think we made a good film, 2115 01:19:41,642 --> 01:19:43,711 "you think we made a good film, 2116 01:19:43,745 --> 01:19:45,814 "but somewhere between us making it, 2117 01:19:45,847 --> 01:19:49,017 "and them showing it, it got fucked." 2118 01:19:50,718 --> 01:19:53,555 (WHIMSICAL MUSIC) 2119 01:19:59,861 --> 01:20:04,765 As it went on, and Denis became more convinced 2120 01:20:04,799 --> 01:20:06,601 of his creative skills, 2121 01:20:06,634 --> 01:20:09,537 his creative skills were financial, and legal. 2122 01:20:09,570 --> 01:20:12,974 They weren't creative in what we did, artistic. 2123 01:20:13,006 --> 01:20:16,143 Denis, certainly, I know he's got the wrong nature 2124 01:20:16,177 --> 01:20:18,045 to understand watching a film 2125 01:20:18,079 --> 01:20:19,647 over and over again. 2126 01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:21,615 One of the gifts of being an editor 2127 01:20:21,648 --> 01:20:24,785 is if you can, remember what was funny. 2128 01:20:24,818 --> 01:20:27,522 Because it's not funny after the fifth of, or, 2129 01:20:27,554 --> 01:20:29,624 to me, or 500th viewing. 2130 01:20:29,656 --> 01:20:31,726 I remember, he watched something, 2131 01:20:31,759 --> 01:20:32,994 he laughed all the way through it. 2132 01:20:33,027 --> 01:20:35,163 Next time we ran it, I had changed something, 2133 01:20:35,196 --> 01:20:37,165 and that was the only place he laughed. 2134 01:20:37,197 --> 01:20:40,168 He was only interested in what was new 2135 01:20:40,201 --> 01:20:41,569 that made him laugh. 2136 01:20:41,602 --> 01:20:43,972 In the early days, there were discussions, 2137 01:20:44,004 --> 01:20:46,039 but they were collaborative, everyone. 2138 01:20:46,072 --> 01:20:48,675 You know, Denis could have a say, 2139 01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:50,945 or your ideas were put onto a table, 2140 01:20:50,978 --> 01:20:52,947 and given a fair shake. 2141 01:20:52,979 --> 01:20:55,215 But then it becomes this is what we want, 2142 01:20:55,249 --> 01:20:57,117 this is not a suggestion, 2143 01:20:57,151 --> 01:20:58,753 this is actually what we want. 2144 01:20:58,786 --> 01:21:00,155 I really don't think that Denis 2145 01:21:00,187 --> 01:21:01,822 ever had a bad intention, you know, 2146 01:21:01,856 --> 01:21:05,026 I just think he really wanted to build a company. 2147 01:21:05,058 --> 01:21:06,093 None of this would've existed 2148 01:21:06,126 --> 01:21:07,728 if Denis wasn't around, 2149 01:21:07,762 --> 01:21:09,764 but maybe it went too far. 2150 01:21:09,796 --> 01:21:12,933 George didn't mind if a film was a flop. 2151 01:21:12,967 --> 01:21:14,235 What he was unhappy with, 2152 01:21:14,268 --> 01:21:16,838 people that he had a great deal of respect for 2153 01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:19,106 in the artistic world coming in, 2154 01:21:19,139 --> 01:21:21,175 and then sending them out of the door unhappy 2155 01:21:21,209 --> 01:21:23,044 with their experience. 2156 01:21:23,076 --> 01:21:25,713 Because after all, I mean, George and Denis were partners, 2157 01:21:25,745 --> 01:21:28,849 but it was George Harrison, he was the name. 2158 01:21:28,883 --> 01:21:30,084 INTERVIEWER: So how would you account 2159 01:21:30,116 --> 01:21:33,487 for HandMade's success? 2160 01:21:33,521 --> 01:21:35,557 Has it been successful? 2161 01:21:35,589 --> 01:21:37,558 (CHUCKLING) 2162 01:21:37,592 --> 01:21:39,527 It's done all right, 10 years, George, 18 films. 2163 01:21:40,995 --> 01:21:43,064 I think that's the main criteria for its success, 2164 01:21:43,097 --> 01:21:45,233 is the fact that it's still here now. 2165 01:21:47,235 --> 01:21:50,938 But, you know, have a look at my bank balance. 2166 01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,576 It's not really that successful. 2167 01:21:54,608 --> 01:21:56,210 These films were costing too much, 2168 01:21:56,244 --> 01:21:58,780 and they're just not going anywhere. 2169 01:21:58,812 --> 01:22:00,180 The key question was like, 2170 01:22:00,214 --> 01:22:02,082 how can you afford it? 2171 01:22:02,116 --> 01:22:04,786 How can you afford making all these movies 2172 01:22:04,818 --> 01:22:08,188 and not making any money back on them? 2173 01:22:08,222 --> 01:22:10,090 At some point, these things implode. 2174 01:22:10,124 --> 01:22:14,062 All that we knew was that HandMade needed 2175 01:22:15,862 --> 01:22:17,164 an injection of capital, 2176 01:22:17,197 --> 01:22:20,200 they needed a deal to put them back on their feet. 2177 01:22:20,233 --> 01:22:21,602 As far as I'm concerned, 2178 01:22:21,635 --> 01:22:23,638 it's just the risk that's involved, 2179 01:22:23,670 --> 01:22:26,740 the amount of money and the nerveracking experience 2180 01:22:26,773 --> 01:22:28,675 of wondering if you're ever gonna 2181 01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:30,945 be able to pay the bank back. 2182 01:22:30,978 --> 01:22:32,079 And if they were put back on their feet, 2183 01:22:32,112 --> 01:22:35,849 then they needed to re-think their creative strategy 2184 01:22:35,883 --> 01:22:37,585 in order to get talent back on board. 2185 01:22:37,617 --> 01:22:42,624 Leading up to the 10th anniversary party... 2186 01:22:44,090 --> 01:22:47,961 George was very unhappy with the whole situation. 2187 01:22:47,995 --> 01:22:49,531 He wasn't very pleased, 2188 01:22:49,563 --> 01:22:52,032 he was showing his disenchantment 2189 01:22:52,066 --> 01:22:53,768 with what was going on. 2190 01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:55,269 I don't see any big mystique 2191 01:22:55,303 --> 01:22:57,772 about the film business, in fact, 2192 01:22:57,804 --> 01:22:59,573 I don't really think the film business 2193 01:22:59,607 --> 01:23:02,110 is all it's cracked up to be, really. 2194 01:23:02,143 --> 01:23:04,713 (CATCHY MUSIC) 2195 01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,116 I've been asked to explain why 2196 01:23:09,150 --> 01:23:11,186 we're all here at Shepperton. 2197 01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:13,254 We're here, of course, to celebrate 2198 01:23:13,286 --> 01:23:15,322 10 years of HandMade Films. 2199 01:23:16,656 --> 01:23:18,759 So many of you may not be aware of it, 2200 01:23:18,793 --> 01:23:20,661 the real founder of HandMade Films 2201 01:23:20,695 --> 01:23:23,097 is sadly not with us tonight. 2202 01:23:23,129 --> 01:23:24,064 (CHUCKLING) 2203 01:23:24,098 --> 01:23:27,135 I refer of course, to Sir Bernard Delfont. 2204 01:23:27,168 --> 01:23:29,571 (LAUGHING) 2205 01:23:30,670 --> 01:23:32,205 Known to his friends as "Sir". 2206 01:23:32,238 --> 01:23:34,675 (LAUGHING) 2207 01:23:36,777 --> 01:23:40,782 Be it was, one spring morning in 1978, 2208 01:23:41,982 --> 01:23:45,285 decided on an impulse to read one of the scripts 2209 01:23:45,318 --> 01:23:46,754 this company was filming. 2210 01:23:46,786 --> 01:23:49,057 (LAUGHING) 2211 01:23:52,125 --> 01:23:53,927 Something which George has never done. 2212 01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,196 (LAUGHING) 2213 01:23:57,231 --> 01:24:00,101 Anyway, Sir didn't like what he read. 2214 01:24:02,135 --> 01:24:03,838 It was called "The Life of Brian", 2215 01:24:04,905 --> 01:24:06,941 and he thought it blasphemous. 2216 01:24:06,973 --> 01:24:09,177 I was given the job of making a speech 2217 01:24:09,210 --> 01:24:12,146 to celebrate 10 years of HandMade Films, 2218 01:24:12,179 --> 01:24:14,115 and you know, you meet so many interactions 2219 01:24:14,147 --> 01:24:17,217 within the company, within the organization, 2220 01:24:17,250 --> 01:24:21,155 and the stresses and strains were definitely there. 2221 01:24:21,187 --> 01:24:24,658 It was not an absolutely easy to thing to do. 2222 01:24:24,692 --> 01:24:27,128 But to know that one of the driving forces 2223 01:24:27,161 --> 01:24:28,663 behind the company is someone who knows 2224 01:24:28,696 --> 01:24:30,231 all about the trials and tribulations 2225 01:24:30,263 --> 01:24:33,101 of showbiz from the artist's point of view, 2226 01:24:33,134 --> 01:24:34,869 is actually one of the great attractions 2227 01:24:34,902 --> 01:24:36,170 of working for HandMade. 2228 01:24:36,202 --> 01:24:37,338 And then George's speech, 2229 01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:41,942 which I really thought that was terrific, what he did. 2230 01:24:41,976 --> 01:24:43,143 GEORGE: Got my speech here. 2231 01:24:43,177 --> 01:24:45,746 Thank you all for coming, now fuck off. 2232 01:24:45,780 --> 01:24:48,015 (LAUGHING) 2233 01:24:49,150 --> 01:24:50,652 MAN: How shall we fuck off? 2234 01:24:50,684 --> 01:24:52,085 GEORGE: Oh, yes. 2235 01:24:52,119 --> 01:24:53,920 Just fuck off, I don't care, 2236 01:24:53,954 --> 01:24:55,122 just get out of here. 2237 01:24:55,156 --> 01:24:56,791 (CHUCKLING) 2238 01:24:56,823 --> 01:24:59,126 Anyway, I'd like to thank all the staff you see, 2239 01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:00,995 because all the cripples who work 2240 01:25:01,027 --> 01:25:03,764 in those little boxes for tons of months. 2241 01:25:03,798 --> 01:25:06,733 When they get home, Denis dances up and down 2242 01:25:06,767 --> 01:25:09,004 on their graveyard singing "Hallelujah". 2243 01:25:10,170 --> 01:25:12,005 Especially Ray. 2244 01:25:12,039 --> 01:25:14,108 (LAUGHING) 2245 01:25:14,140 --> 01:25:15,942 I think it was a wake. 2246 01:25:15,976 --> 01:25:17,210 (LAUGHING) 2247 01:25:17,244 --> 01:25:18,912 I think it was a wake, but it was fun, 2248 01:25:18,946 --> 01:25:19,881 it was a fun wake. 2249 01:25:19,914 --> 01:25:21,683 I'd like to thank the Pythons 2250 01:25:21,715 --> 01:25:23,217 for getting me into all this mess, 2251 01:25:23,250 --> 01:25:25,119 another fine mess you got me into. 2252 01:25:25,152 --> 01:25:28,156 But really, I love them so much, 2253 01:25:28,188 --> 01:25:30,791 they'd be embarrassed if they ever realized. 2254 01:25:30,825 --> 01:25:32,360 It felt like the end of something. 2255 01:25:32,393 --> 01:25:37,098 You know, feeling that this was an elegy. 2256 01:25:37,130 --> 01:25:39,700 (CLAPPING) 2257 01:25:39,733 --> 01:25:41,169 Very well, that'll be all, 2258 01:25:41,201 --> 01:25:42,969 and it's a pleasure to pretend to be in the film business 2259 01:25:43,003 --> 01:25:44,338 in this stupid life. 2260 01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:46,940 The cartoon world we're living in. 2261 01:25:46,973 --> 01:25:48,275 After the HandMade party, 2262 01:25:48,308 --> 01:25:52,079 everybody started seeing the separation happening. 2263 01:25:52,112 --> 01:25:54,981 You know, George was not enjoying himself anymore. 2264 01:25:55,014 --> 01:25:57,151 "Nuns on the Run" was one last glimpse 2265 01:25:57,183 --> 01:25:59,387 of HandMade Films, you know, so. 2266 01:25:59,420 --> 01:26:01,522 Like, it was great to be involved with a film 2267 01:26:01,554 --> 01:26:03,890 that actually was fun. 2268 01:26:03,924 --> 01:26:06,227 Just hold it up, is that in the right place? 2269 01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:10,231 The idea of the plot is that these two criminals 2270 01:26:10,263 --> 01:26:12,432 work for a gang when they're stealing money 2271 01:26:12,465 --> 01:26:13,867 from a rival gang. 2272 01:26:13,901 --> 01:26:15,369 They decide instead of giving it to the boss, 2273 01:26:15,402 --> 01:26:17,371 they're gonna go off with it themselves. 2274 01:26:17,403 --> 01:26:19,874 It all misfires, and then a chase, 2275 01:26:19,906 --> 01:26:21,108 and in a hail of bullets, 2276 01:26:21,142 --> 01:26:22,043 they run into the nearest building 2277 01:26:22,076 --> 01:26:23,911 which turns out to be a convent. 2278 01:26:23,943 --> 01:26:26,179 They realize that if they put on nun's habits 2279 01:26:26,213 --> 01:26:27,081 they can lie low, 2280 01:26:27,113 --> 01:26:29,150 as long as they can get away with it. 2281 01:26:29,183 --> 01:26:32,453 ♪ Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah ♪ 2282 01:26:32,486 --> 01:26:34,122 And so I sent it to Eric, 2283 01:26:34,155 --> 01:26:36,823 and said would you like to do this with Michael Palin? 2284 01:26:36,857 --> 01:26:38,025 Well, Eric said he would. 2285 01:26:38,058 --> 01:26:41,462 Michael Palin passed, but Eric suggested Robbie Coltrane, 2286 01:26:41,495 --> 01:26:44,165 and I thought Robbie was a brilliant idea, 2287 01:26:44,197 --> 01:26:45,098 and Robbie liked it, 2288 01:26:45,131 --> 01:26:46,768 so then we said what do we do 2289 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,503 about getting us financed? 2290 01:26:48,536 --> 01:26:51,773 So, Eric said, "Well, I'll give it to my friend George." 2291 01:26:51,805 --> 01:26:53,573 And I knew they were friends. 2292 01:26:53,607 --> 01:26:56,110 But you know, I'm friends with lots of people, 2293 01:26:56,143 --> 01:26:58,012 but most of them won't give me three million quid 2294 01:26:58,045 --> 01:26:58,846 if I ask for it. 2295 01:26:58,879 --> 01:27:00,548 And George said, "Yeah." 2296 01:27:02,183 --> 01:27:03,852 Explain the Trinity. 2297 01:27:04,951 --> 01:27:07,120 Well, it's a bit of a bugger. 2298 01:27:07,153 --> 01:27:09,022 It was a big success in America 2299 01:27:09,055 --> 01:27:10,258 in terms of the critics, 2300 01:27:10,290 --> 01:27:12,994 and it would've been a huge box office success 2301 01:27:13,027 --> 01:27:15,596 but for one thing that nobody reckoned on. 2302 01:27:15,629 --> 01:27:18,366 We had a limited opening for two weeks 2303 01:27:18,398 --> 01:27:21,035 and a few screens, and amazing reviews. 2304 01:27:21,067 --> 01:27:22,235 And then they said, 2305 01:27:22,268 --> 01:27:23,170 "We're going to expand it to a large 2306 01:27:23,204 --> 01:27:24,339 "number of screens next week." 2307 01:27:24,371 --> 01:27:26,206 And I said, "Oh great, what are we competing against?" 2308 01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:27,809 They said, "Nothing, nothing at all, 2309 01:27:27,842 --> 01:27:29,544 "there's just this children's film called 2310 01:27:29,576 --> 01:27:31,344 "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles", 2311 01:27:31,378 --> 01:27:33,214 "nobody's gonna go see that." 2312 01:27:33,246 --> 01:27:34,948 Unfortunately, everybody went to see that. 2313 01:27:34,982 --> 01:27:37,218 It was a colossal hit. 2314 01:27:37,250 --> 01:27:40,053 So, we didn't do so well when we expanded. 2315 01:27:40,086 --> 01:27:42,055 Let me try and summarize this. 2316 01:27:42,089 --> 01:27:45,359 God is his son, and his son is God, 2317 01:27:45,392 --> 01:27:48,496 but his son moonlights as a holy ghost, 2318 01:27:48,528 --> 01:27:50,964 a holy spirit, and a dove, 2319 01:27:50,997 --> 01:27:52,532 and they all sent each other, 2320 01:27:52,566 --> 01:27:55,036 even though they're all one in the same thing. 2321 01:27:56,202 --> 01:27:57,004 Got it. 2322 01:27:57,036 --> 01:27:57,938 What? 2323 01:27:57,972 --> 01:27:59,173 You really could be a nun. 2324 01:27:59,205 --> 01:28:00,040 Thanks. 2325 01:28:01,308 --> 01:28:02,577 Wait a minute. 2326 01:28:02,610 --> 01:28:05,246 What I said, does that make any sense to you? 2327 01:28:05,278 --> 01:28:07,514 Well, no. 2328 01:28:07,548 --> 01:28:09,517 No, and it makes no sense to anybody. 2329 01:28:09,549 --> 01:28:11,351 That's why you have to believe it, 2330 01:28:11,384 --> 01:28:12,919 that's why you have to have faith. 2331 01:28:12,952 --> 01:28:14,187 I mean if it made sense, 2332 01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:15,857 it wouldn't have to be a religion, would it? 2333 01:28:16,589 --> 01:28:18,159 "Nuns on the Run", yeah. 2334 01:28:18,192 --> 01:28:19,994 It was a nice film. 2335 01:28:20,027 --> 01:28:20,928 I suppose I'd look at it, 2336 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,362 because it was the last film 2337 01:28:22,396 --> 01:28:23,563 I was involved in, 2338 01:28:23,597 --> 01:28:25,532 but it's the last film that HandMade made 2339 01:28:26,467 --> 01:28:28,402 under George's regime. 2340 01:28:28,434 --> 01:28:31,272 I almost lost sense that this was a HandMade film. 2341 01:28:32,473 --> 01:28:34,140 And it was a HandMade film in the old sense, 2342 01:28:34,174 --> 01:28:35,643 but it didn't feel like it, 2343 01:28:35,675 --> 01:28:40,481 but it just was this cloud over HandMade at that point. 2344 01:28:41,648 --> 01:28:43,116 It must've been in the early 1990s, 2345 01:28:43,150 --> 01:28:47,254 I think George told me that HandMade 2346 01:28:47,287 --> 01:28:48,955 was gonna be closed down. 2347 01:28:48,988 --> 01:28:50,124 The first thing I say about HandMade 2348 01:28:50,156 --> 01:28:52,125 is it wasn't a failure, it was a success, 2349 01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:54,161 which like all independent production companies, 2350 01:28:54,193 --> 01:28:55,562 without exception, 2351 01:28:55,595 --> 01:28:57,365 there isn't a single exception to this rule, 2352 01:28:57,397 --> 01:28:59,900 neither here nor in the States 2353 01:28:59,933 --> 01:29:02,135 that lives beyond a certain lifespan. 2354 01:29:02,169 --> 01:29:04,939 10 or 11 years is good enough, you know? 2355 01:29:04,972 --> 01:29:06,139 And I would say they were successful. 2356 01:29:06,173 --> 01:29:08,142 They ran out of money, they ran out of road. 2357 01:29:08,174 --> 01:29:09,409 Well, that happens to all of them. 2358 01:29:09,442 --> 01:29:10,343 RAY: It would've been nice to think 2359 01:29:10,376 --> 01:29:12,178 that we could've remained small. 2360 01:29:12,211 --> 01:29:15,215 That would've been the perfect HandMade Films. 2361 01:29:15,249 --> 01:29:17,652 Making you know, one or two films a year, 2362 01:29:17,684 --> 01:29:20,955 but gems that people would put in their back pocket 2363 01:29:20,987 --> 01:29:22,656 and always want to see again and again. 2364 01:29:22,689 --> 01:29:26,693 If you analyze the output of HandMade over 11 years, 2365 01:29:26,727 --> 01:29:31,900 I think you would say that the talent quotient decreased, 2366 01:29:33,267 --> 01:29:35,135 and the enterprise quotient kind of had to increase, 2367 01:29:35,169 --> 01:29:38,139 and the fortunes of the company suffered. 2368 01:29:38,171 --> 01:29:40,473 But at least films got made, 2369 01:29:40,506 --> 01:29:43,110 and I can't think of any other period 2370 01:29:43,143 --> 01:29:47,448 in British filmmaking which was quite so rich. 2371 01:29:47,481 --> 01:29:49,183 It's a kind of signature, HandMade Films 2372 01:29:49,215 --> 01:29:50,651 to me was a signature, 2373 01:29:50,683 --> 01:29:52,186 this is gonna be quality stuff, 2374 01:29:52,219 --> 01:29:53,654 this is gonna be interesting stuff. 2375 01:29:53,687 --> 01:29:56,256 It's gonna be breaking barriers. 2376 01:29:56,290 --> 01:29:59,527 George understood passion. 2377 01:29:59,559 --> 01:30:01,963 If he was here today, and I wish he was, 2378 01:30:01,995 --> 01:30:04,230 he'd be listening to your stories, 2379 01:30:04,263 --> 01:30:06,232 and if he thought that 2380 01:30:06,265 --> 01:30:09,236 you're absolutely passionate about something, 2381 01:30:09,268 --> 01:30:10,204 your dream would come true, 2382 01:30:10,237 --> 01:30:11,772 he would make it come true. 2383 01:30:11,804 --> 01:30:14,441 Without HandMade, very few of the films 2384 01:30:14,474 --> 01:30:16,744 that the all of us here tonight have made 2385 01:30:18,012 --> 01:30:19,313 would ever have happened. 2386 01:30:19,345 --> 01:30:22,683 I ask you to raise your glasses, 2387 01:30:22,715 --> 01:30:24,684 or contact lenses if you wear them. 2388 01:30:24,718 --> 01:30:26,620 (LAUGHING) 2389 01:30:26,652 --> 01:30:29,323 Drink a toast to HandMade Films. 2390 01:30:30,323 --> 01:30:32,994 ALL: HandMade films. 2391 01:30:33,027 --> 01:30:34,161 (GLASSES CLANG) 2392 01:30:34,193 --> 01:30:34,995 Cheers, everybody. 2393 01:30:35,028 --> 01:30:35,696 Chin chin. 2394 01:30:36,597 --> 01:30:39,133 (CLAPPING) 2395 01:30:39,165 --> 01:30:41,001 And that's it, really. 2396 01:30:41,035 --> 01:30:42,635 End of story. 2397 01:30:42,669 --> 01:30:46,139 (CLAPPING AND CHEERING) 2398 01:30:48,776 --> 01:30:51,512 (WONDROUS MUSIC) 2399 01:31:14,468 --> 01:31:18,104 My favorite HandMade film and why... 2400 01:31:18,138 --> 01:31:18,805 Um... 2401 01:31:20,174 --> 01:31:21,308 "The Long Good Friday". 2402 01:31:21,340 --> 01:31:23,143 My favorite HandMade film? 2403 01:31:23,177 --> 01:31:24,411 "The Long Good Friday". 2404 01:31:24,445 --> 01:31:26,447 Because I love that Genre. 2405 01:31:27,380 --> 01:31:28,481 Start shooting us, Harold. 2406 01:31:28,514 --> 01:31:30,217 Oh, don't be silly. 2407 01:31:30,250 --> 01:31:33,254 When I come running for you with me fingers. 2408 01:31:33,286 --> 01:31:34,421 My favorite HandMade film 2409 01:31:34,455 --> 01:31:36,157 is the first one they made, "Life of Brian", I think. 2410 01:31:36,189 --> 01:31:39,226 What have the Romans ever done for us? 2411 01:31:39,259 --> 01:31:40,628 MAN: World peace. 2412 01:31:40,661 --> 01:31:41,529 What? 2413 01:31:41,562 --> 01:31:42,363 Peace? 2414 01:31:42,396 --> 01:31:43,264 Oh, shut up! 2415 01:31:43,296 --> 01:31:44,564 (LAUGHING) 2416 01:31:44,598 --> 01:31:45,533 I love "Mona Lisa", I thought "Mona Lisa" 2417 01:31:45,566 --> 01:31:47,300 was absolutely wonderful. 2418 01:31:47,334 --> 01:31:48,135 Well, what do you do? 2419 01:31:48,168 --> 01:31:49,170 Melt it down and eat it? 2420 01:31:49,202 --> 01:31:50,604 No, they're ornamental, George. 2421 01:31:51,705 --> 01:31:53,073 Ornamental spaghetti? 2422 01:31:53,107 --> 01:31:55,142 I loved "The Long Good Friday", 2423 01:31:55,174 --> 01:31:57,210 and "Time Bandits". 2424 01:31:57,244 --> 01:31:58,746 Do you want to be leader of this gang? 2425 01:31:58,778 --> 01:31:59,612 No! 2426 01:31:59,646 --> 01:32:00,814 We agreed no leader. 2427 01:32:00,848 --> 01:32:02,616 Right, so shut up and do as I say. 2428 01:32:02,648 --> 01:32:05,486 "Private Function" is the funniest 2429 01:32:05,518 --> 01:32:08,521 of the HandMade films. 2430 01:32:08,554 --> 01:32:10,825 I liked "Private Function". 2431 01:32:12,226 --> 01:32:14,161 I can put the hounds on two turkeys in Bradford. 2432 01:32:14,193 --> 01:32:15,129 Two? 2433 01:32:15,161 --> 01:32:16,396 Two? 2434 01:32:16,429 --> 01:32:19,532 We have got 150 people coming, 2435 01:32:19,566 --> 01:32:21,302 and Jesus isn't one of them. 2436 01:32:21,335 --> 01:32:23,370 "Mona Lisa" I like, because Bob Hoskins 2437 01:32:23,402 --> 01:32:24,571 is in that, wasn't he? 2438 01:32:24,604 --> 01:32:26,674 "Long Good Friday" is my favorite, 2439 01:32:26,706 --> 01:32:28,409 and I loved the last shot 2440 01:32:28,442 --> 01:32:31,645 of Bob Hoskins driven off to his impending death 2441 01:32:31,678 --> 01:32:33,247 at the hands of the IRA, 2442 01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,116 and it's probably Bob's finest moment. 2443 01:32:35,148 --> 01:32:36,383 "Shanghai Surprise" was one of the 2444 01:32:36,415 --> 01:32:38,251 worst things I've ever seen. 2445 01:32:38,285 --> 01:32:40,254 I mean, that was abomination. 2446 01:32:40,286 --> 01:32:42,755 And of course, "Withnail and I". 2447 01:32:42,789 --> 01:32:45,492 I think it's "Withnail and I". 2448 01:32:45,526 --> 01:32:50,197 It's just absolutely iconoclastically a brilliant movie. 2449 01:32:51,165 --> 01:32:51,932 I have a heart condition, 2450 01:32:51,964 --> 01:32:53,833 if you hit me, it's murder. 2451 01:32:53,866 --> 01:32:55,835 The performance of Richard E. Grant, 2452 01:32:55,869 --> 01:32:57,938 and just everything about "Withnail" actually 2453 01:32:57,970 --> 01:32:59,506 was just fantastic, 2454 01:32:59,540 --> 01:33:00,640 and it was a great movie. 2455 01:33:00,674 --> 01:33:02,510 I'm gonna be a star! 2456 01:33:04,811 --> 01:33:07,247 HandMade made that movie. 2457 01:33:08,615 --> 01:33:12,452 ♪ So you take me, maybe, sure ♪ 2458 01:33:12,501 --> 01:33:14,001 Subtitles by explosiveskull www.OpenSubtitles.org 182294

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