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TRAINS THUNDERING
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I decided to keep a journal.
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Explain, explore my feelings that
I was going through at the time.
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I wanted something there
for my children.
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I haven't spoken to my children
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about what actually happened
on that day.
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I hope my children understand
why I had to do those things.
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SIRENS BLARE
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Four explosions have rocked
central London
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in a major coordinated
terrorist attack.
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The pictures are truly horrific.
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All hospitals are on full alert.
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Remember, this was rush hour
in London,
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that bus was packed with people.
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A horrifying reminder of
the stark reality of terror.
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There are people still
below ground.
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The scene was utter chaos
and pandemonium,
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people screaming, crying,
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"There's been a bomb,
there's been a bomb."
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Suddenly, and for the second time in
a fortnight, chaos.
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Smoke. Rucksack bombs.
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Police have shot
a suspected suicide bomber.
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Just heard, "Bang. Bang. Bang."
I heard three bangs.
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British policing changed
forever today.
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CHANTING: Murderers! Murderers!
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The family are furious with
the police, claiming a cover-up.
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This is a huge step for me.
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Erm...
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I can't stress the enormity of it.
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But I think it's important
I explain what I did on that day.
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That should be good. That's right.
Thank you.
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Yeah.
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I'm Tony Blair,
I was Prime Minister at the time.
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I mean I never experienced
a few days like it in politics ever,
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and I don't suppose many
leaders have.
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The Games of the
30th Olympiad, 2012,
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are awarded to the City of London.
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CHEERING
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We realised we were
going to host the Olympics
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and that was obviously
a fantastic moment,
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people were absolutely delighted.
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Prime Minister,
is there anything you have to say
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to the people of London
at this moment?
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Well done.
CHEERING
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And then I had to go straight
into the G8 summit
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opening in Scotland at Gleneagles.
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SHUTTERS CLICKING
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He's here. Mr Blair...
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It was the major gathering of
the leading western powers.
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On the morning of the 7th of July,
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I was in a bilateral meeting with
the Chinese president.
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And around about ten to nine,
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during the course of that meeting,
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I got handed a piece
of paper saying there'd been
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a series of incidents
on the London Underground.
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At that time, I didn't have any more
information about it.
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But I, you know, the moment you get
passed a note like that, you...
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You expect the worst.
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Breaking news we're getting
from the PA newswire,
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there have been reports
of an explosion
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outside Liverpool Street Station.
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Speculation only at
the moment of what caused that,
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but Police stressing it
probably was a power failure
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or a collision between two trains.
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In 2005, I was a firearms officer
in the Metropolitan Police.
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I had a great deal of experience.
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I'd worked hundreds
of firearms operations.
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On the morning of 7/7,
I was at home.
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I was married.
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I had a daughter,
who was running around,
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she was about two years old
at this stage.
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And then suddenly,
our phones came alive
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with what had happened.
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London's worst attack since
the Second World War,
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a shocking toll of dead and injured,
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and the entire capital city's
transport system paralysed
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as at no time in history.
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The bombers struck
with ruthless effect,
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and there appears to have been
no signal of their intent.
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SIRENS BLARE
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Appalling scene,
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the top of this double decker bus
blown clean off.
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The police were now facing
the reality,
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multiple bombs across the capital -
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a coordinated, calculated
terrorist outrage.
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Ladies and gents, please,
listen to me very carefully.
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I need you to move this way, please,
as quick as you can.
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The casualties were ferried
to nearby hospitals.
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People brought in with shards
of glass embedded in their skin,
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burns and smoke inhalation.
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People started to scream
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because there was a burning smell.
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We were all trapped
like sardines waiting to die
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and I honestly thought
my time was up.
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It was just black and we just got
out so we've no idea it was...
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What did you hear after the
explosion? People just screaming.
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Just screaming. We just...
I thought it was on fire.
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I don't know, but there's some
seriously injured people there,
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and it's not good.
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I was in the front carriage
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and people were
severely injured there.
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The smell, the smoke,
you couldn't breathe. Awful smell.
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You couldn't see anything,
it was just horrible.
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I just want to get home.
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Guys, can you keep moving down,
please.
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The number of dead
and injured still growing,
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but the scale of the disaster
clearly enormous.
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The feeling was that we'd failed.
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We've let everyone down
by not being there,
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to try and save life.
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It was a terrible feeling.
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We were immediately all called in.
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We were all there, ready to go.
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And we were just waiting
for any intel
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or any taskings
for us to get involved with.
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Obviously, as the media releases
more information
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and you realise how many people
have been brutally slain,
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it was a terrible, terrible feeling,
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it really did shake
everyone to the core.
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My name is Richard Walton.
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I was a Detective Superintendent
in Special Branch.
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I would describe
the response post-7/7,
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the two, three weeks after that,
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as the most intense period in
my career - 30-year career.
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Without any hesitation.
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On the day of 7/7, I was in Cobra,
in the Cabinet Office,
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briefing in to government at the
highest levels what was going on.
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The intelligence agencies galvanised
very, very quickly.
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The finger of suspicion does tend
to point towards groups
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linked to Al-Qaeda.
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Police say they received no warning
before the attack.
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Security experts say
it has all the hallmarks
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of the Al-Qaeda network.
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Britain's security services
have long said,
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"It's not a matter of if, but when."
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TONY BLAIR: It was very clear
that this arose
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out of Islamist extremism.
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Post 9/11, you know, London was
obviously going to be a target.
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There was ongoing military action
in Afghanistan and Iraq,
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and you had terrorist
groups operating
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in different parts of the world
and linking up with each other.
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You're dealing with people who have
no regard for their own lives,
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never mind the lives
of other people,
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so we couldn't let down
our guard at all.
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The first morning rush hour
after terrorism,
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and the Tube definitely
wasn't as packed as normal.
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I found myself looking around all
the time like this, thinking,
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you know, "Is there a package?
Is there a parcel?
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"Or is something going to happen?"
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RICHARD: During the immediate days
after 7/7,
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we were absolutely concerned
about further attacks.
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We had many extremists born
in Britain, educated in Britain,
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travelling out to Pakistan
and Afghanistan
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to be trained by Al-Qaeda,
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and then they returned to
the UK as British nationals,
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British citizens,
and then carry out attacks,
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from within, if you like,
from within the country.
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Other side of the pavement!
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And you, and you, move back.
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24 hours after London was attacked,
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Liverpool Street Station was
shut for an hour this morning,
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while passengers wondered whether
it might all be happening again.
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In the days that followed,
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we were dealing, almost on
a daily basis, with phone calls
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being made saying
there's going to be another attack.
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It's extremely difficult
to prevent terrorist attacks,
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particularly to large cities.
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We knew the threat was escalating.
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DEAN: What had happened
two weeks later,
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I have to live with for
the rest of my life.
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Everything told me,
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everything told me
that I was going to die.
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My name is Angus Campbell.
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In 2005, I was a member of
the London Fire Brigade.
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My youngest son was
just six weeks old.
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Do you think people remember
what happened on that day? No.
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No. No.
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Just wait there for a sec,
put your bag on the floor, please.
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Security has been stepped up since
the attacks two weeks ago.
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Sniffer dogs trained to detect
explosives have been used
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at major underground stations.
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I was going to work that day,
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and I got on the tube
at Tooting Bec.
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And I started the mundane journey
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up on the Northern line
to go to work.
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The journey was very, very normal.
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We pulled into Stockwell Station,
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and again, nothing much happened.
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The door shuts, train pulls away,
and we enter the tunnel.
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And the moment we enter the tunnel,
there's an explosion.
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MUFFLED BANG
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There's an enormous bang,
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and it's really, really loud.
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And I jump. I don't jump very much.
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And I jumped.
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And the carriage in its entirety
filled with smoke.
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I can hear screaming and shouting.
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And then the smoke starts
to dissipate and we can see a man.
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And he's shouting and screaming
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and he's flapping at
the back of his,
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at the back of his neck.
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So I pull the alarm.
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The other people in our end of
the carriage have gone through
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the adjoining doors to the
other carriage.
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And they beckoned to me
to come through
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and I choose not to.
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As a firefighter,
you walk into a building
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or walk into a situation that
everybody else is running away from.
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And then there's an interaction
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and the interaction is really,
really aggressive.
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But I want to help him,
and I'm quite determined to help him
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because I think he's burnt.
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So I walk down the carriage
towards him.
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Now I can see what's on the floor.
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And what's on the floor is
the remains of his rucksack.
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There's actually a flame flickering
around the rucksack
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and it's smouldering.
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And there's still quite
a lot of smoke emitting from it.
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And inside the rucksack
I could also see very distinctly
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nails, bolts,
and another paraphernalia.
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This is a bomb and he's trying
to carry out mass-murder.
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And it dawns on me
just what's happening.
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I'm on a moving vehicle.
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I'm 200ft underground.
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I'm in front of
an individual who's just tried
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to commit mass murder.
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He's now threatening to kill me.
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And I'm all on my own.
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You can see how close I am to him.
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It's very intense, isn't it?
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And then, of course,
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what happens is
we pull into the Oval,
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the Oval tube station,
and the train comes to a halt.
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And then the driver comes on
the tannoy
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and his voice is really,
really bored.
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And he says,
"Whoever sounded the alarm,
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"will they please make themselves
known to the driver?"
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So I ran back. I said,
"Yes, yes, we've got him.
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"Don't open the doors.
Don't open the doors."
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Call the police.
We can hold him here.
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And then the doors open and he runs,
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and he was gone.
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And he was gone-gone.
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I went up and back up
to street level.
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Fresh air. Which is, which is nice.
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And I was shaking
and I was obviously frightened.
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I phoned my wife and I said,
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"I think something's happened."
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And she said, "What do you mean
something happened?"
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I said, "I'm not really sure,
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"but I think someone's tried
to blow up my train."
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And she said, "Oh, that's a bit odd.
Are you OK?"
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And I said, "Yes, I'm fine."
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Then she actually says,
"Actually, it's not just you.
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"They've done it all over
London again.
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"They're trying to replicate
what they'd done
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"two weeks to the day earlier and
terrorise London all over again."
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Some breaking news just in.
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In the past few minutes,
we've had reports
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that several London underground
stations have been evacuated
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and that smoke has been seen
coming from a train.
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SIRENS BLARE
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London under attack again,
two weeks to the day.
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The target's the same -
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three tube trains, one bus.
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Can you please move?
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Tens of thousands evacuated,
explosions, smoke, rucksack bombs.
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And the capital's streets
are again reduced to this.
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Panic, confusion, fear.
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Suddenly people were starting
screaming and shouting and running.
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They just said, you know,
that you need to evacuate,
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you know, you need to get out.
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This time,
the explosions were much smaller,
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and there are reports
of just one casualty.
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It appears tonight that the bombs
failed to detonate properly.
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SIREN BLARES
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It's believed that
the detonators went off,
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but the explosives themselves
didn't explode.
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On the 21st,
we were engaged on an operation.
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We were in an abandoned building,
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and when we heard that there
had been another
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attempted terrorist attack
and that this one was different,
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that the devices hadn't gone off,
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and so therefore
there were four suspects,
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failed suicide bombers, on the run.
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In the hours since
the bombs were detonated,
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police have become convinced
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this was a serious
attempt on London.
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As they search for evidence,
a massive manhunt's under way.
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Knowing that there were four
people on the run
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who attempted to commit
further atrocities
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was a pretty horrific thought.
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And in fairness, this was a tactic
that we hadn't prepared for.
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Out of all that planning about how
to deal with suicide terrorism,
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we hadn't actually catered for
the fact that we're going to have
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four people on the run,
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because technically, they shouldn't
be there, should they?
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They should have committed suicide,
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committed the atrocity,
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and we're just there to pick up
the pieces.
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So it was a tactic, really,
that we hadn't really trained for.
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While today's bombings were
nothing like
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the horrors of two weeks ago,
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there are striking similarities,
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and detectives will be gathering all
the evidence they can,
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in the hope of catching whoever
was responsible.
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My name is Douglas McKenna.
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My role in 2005 was
Detective Superintendent
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at the anti-terrorist branch based
at New Scotland Yard in London.
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I took responsibility as the sort of
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senior investigating officer
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for the events of the 21st of July.
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SIRENS BLARE
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To all intents and purposes,
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it bore very similar hallmarks
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to the events of
the morning of the 7th of July.
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Men. Backpacks. Explosions.
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Three underground trains, one bus.
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You have four suspects
who you believe have just tried
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to commit acts of terror in
London on the loose.
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Nobody knows what the playbook is
of a failed suicide bomber.
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PHONES RINGING, CHATTER
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So there's a great deal of concern
of - what are they going to do next?
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There was a massive operation
taking place
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between the police
and the security services.
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Have you got, you know, hundreds
of potential leads at that point?
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None. Or have you actually got
a small... We've got none.
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There was no advance intelligence
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and there was no real understanding
of who these individuals were,
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what group they were connected with,
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what group they were being
coordinated by, if any.
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And therefore,
these were all unknowns.
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As soon as the actual scenes of
the failed attacks
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had been made safe
by the explosives officers,
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our forensic crime scene examiners
will have been carefully examining
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the material that was left behind.
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During the course of the night,
early hours in the morning,
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officers had managed to recover
a gym membership card
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from the bag at Shepherd's Bush.
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This card related to a Hussen Osman.
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And it identified an address
of 21 Scotia Road.
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A major operation had already been
put in place overnight
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to mount surveillance on
the premises.
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That is the starting point
for the manhunt.
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Police are continuing to hunt
for four bombers who attempted
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to carry out terror attacks
on three tube trains
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and a bus in London yesterday.
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This image has just been released of
the rucksack left
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by one of the bombers
on the top deck
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of the number 26 bus in Hackney.
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I cycled into work,
got in there really early,
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and we were told that one of
the suspects had been identified
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and his address had been identified.
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Because of the nature of the threat,
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we were told to change the
ammunition over from our handguns,
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from our normal rounds,
to 124gr dumdum bullets...
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..which were specifically authorised
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for suicide killer operations,
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to potentially deliver
a critical shot.
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21 Scotia Road is a multi-occupancy,
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relatively small block of flats...
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..but with one communal entry.
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So there was surveillance operation
around the premises,
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and the surveillance officers
had the image
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from the gym membership card.
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A gym membership card had been found
in the top of a rucksack
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which had partially detonated.
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And we were shown
a faxed copy of it.
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It was black and white,
very, very grainy.
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And we were shown this as we left
the briefing.
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We had to commit that grainy image
to memory.
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We had to pass it around.
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There was only one image of this.
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To try and...
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No, absolutely not.
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There was only one image available.
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I've no idea.
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In any fast time,
fast-moving operation,
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especially with the level of threat
that was faced,
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you don't have time to question
those orders.
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We had to find this suspect.
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How are you feeling
about earrings? Yeah.
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What kind of ...? I've got those.
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I'm Theresa Godly and I'm an actor.
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They're fab. Great.
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Brilliant. Go with that.
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My acting career so far has
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compromised shows like Bridgerton...
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..EastEnders,
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lots of TV commercials,
which are always fun.
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In 2005,I was living
in South London,
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you know, I'm kind of pretty much
born and bred South London girl,
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and I was working in Central London.
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There was definitely
a nervous tension.
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London didn't seem as
happy-go-lucky.
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You know, people were suspicious
of anyone
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who looked like they could be
a terrorist.
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A male, south Asian,
beard, you know.
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But for me, personally,
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even when something like
that happens, you think,
401
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,880
"Well, I'm not going to let that
stop my daily life."
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On the 22nd, I just wanted
to put my headphones on,
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grab my bag, get out the door,
get the bus,
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get the tube, go to work.
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What's the worst that could happen?
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It was a normal day.
We kitted the cars up,
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and we were given an area
where we had to go to.
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We were going to be concentrating on
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a suspect called Hussain Osman
of Scotia Road,
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which was in Tulse Hill.
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There was a central information room
based at Scotland Yard
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which would have
live intelligence feeds.
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The control room there will
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have been responsible for managing
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the assets that were on the ground,
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the surveillance team
and the firearms team
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around 21 Scotia Road.
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My understanding
and memory of the events,
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an individual exited the block of
flats at Scotia Road,
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er, walked to the bus stop,
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er, got on a bus.
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Somebody in the surveillance team is
already in close proximity
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to the individual who's on the bus.
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The firearms team are waiting
to get called forward
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if an intervention is required.
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I was the car commander.
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I was sitting in
the front passenger seat,
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and I was in charge of the radios.
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They're antiquated,
430
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and so the range of
the signal varies greatly.
431
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And I remember hearing, er,
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some broken communications
that...that were inaudible.
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So I phoned the second-in-command,
who's my friend,
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and I asked...I said to him,
435
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"What's happening?"
436
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,720
And he said, it looks as though
we potentially got a suspect
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on a number two bus heading
towards Brixton.
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The number two bus was packed.
439
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,600
I remember thinking,
"Gosh, I don't like this."
440
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It gives me a bit of anxiety.
441
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,840
But I remember thinking, "It's only
a few stops, so I can deal with it."
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I actually knew where
the number two bus went,
443
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:59,600
so we ended up driving at quite
some speed.
444
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,440
I wanted to get into contention
with the rest of the team
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00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,640
and any potential suspect movements.
446
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,920
I do know that there were
surveillance officers
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on the bus with him.
448
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,720
One of the surveillance units
identified that this was possibly
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Hussain Osman, our target.
450
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Apparently, he was on his phone,
he was agitated,
451
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,360
looking around the whole time.
452
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,560
We could be looking
at a detonation on a bus...
453
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..the same on the bombings on 7/7.
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Normally, on a bus that busy,
455
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there'd be conversations going on,
people on the phone,
456
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people laughing, you know.
But it was a lot more subdued.
457
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,520
Given what had happened on 7/7...
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everyone kind of nervously looking
459
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,240
and eyeing up who you were standing
next to,
460
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and who was oppositive you,
and who might be on the bus.
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00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,840
I know that he'd got off the bus.
462
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He'd gone towards Brixton
tube station,
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had suddenly turned around,
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and then got back
on the same bus again.
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And this was interpreted as
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an anti-surveillance movement.
467
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,160
The bus was now heading
towards Stockwell.
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00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,920
So we drove along,
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and I can actually see
the bus up ahead.
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00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,560
And I pointed out to my crew,
"That's the bus. That's the bus."
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So the bus turns into Stockwell,
so we get off the bus,
472
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,920
and then it's just a short walk
473
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,280
down the street to Stockwell tube
station.
474
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,880
I heard that the suspect was off
a bus.
475
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,080
We're looking for an Asian-looking
male wearing all denims.
476
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,160
My name is Sam.
477
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,520
At the time I was living five
minutes' walk
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00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,160
from Stockwell tube station,
which was a huge bonus to me,
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00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,160
and one of the main reasons
for living there.
480
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Every day, I'd go to
Stockwell station
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and travel a few stops
482
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,080
and get off at
the Southbank for my job.
483
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,160
I was more conscious of the fact
that an Asian with a backpack
484
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,880
on public transport
would be getting more attention.
485
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,920
I thought, for a brief time,
that I might go looking for
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a transparent backpack,
487
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,880
just to show what
an innocent character I was.
488
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,720
The one that I found was about
this big,
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00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,080
and was peppered
with bright pink hearts
490
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,840
and was clearly designed
for a seven-year-old girl.
491
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,400
At that point I thought,
492
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,080
"I am going to stop worrying
about this."
493
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,760
It was just an ordinary working day,
494
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,120
nothing special about it.
495
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,120
I stepped into the station,
496
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,320
as I had done hundreds
of times before.
497
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,920
We arrived outside
Stockwell tube station.
498
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,440
Yeah, I got to Stockwell tube,
went through the ticket barriers.
499
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,160
I remember hearing
the surveillance officer saying,
500
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,480
"Suspect is now in...in...into
Stockwell tube station.
501
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,760
"What do you want us to do?"
502
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,920
And we didn't hear anything.
503
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,360
We just heard, "Standby. Standby."
504
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,360
And we just waited.
505
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,960
You cannot act singly in these type
of scenarios,
506
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,480
you don't know what damage
you're going to do.
507
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,000
You have to wait
for that command decision,
508
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,720
even though the anxiety was
building up.
509
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,280
I went through the ticket barrier,
as normal,
510
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,240
went down the escalator,
got on the train.
511
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,760
And then I sat down and I waited.
512
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:47,880
And I waited.
513
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,360
The train sat there,
514
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,120
it didn't leave the platform.
515
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,200
I'm daydreaming,
I'm staring into space,
516
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,800
and I notice a fairly well-built
white man,
517
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,000
middle aged, standing up
and looking quite nervous.
518
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,840
And he keeps darting sidelong
glances out of the door
519
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,720
at the entrance of the platform,
520
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,440
which leads to the escalators.
521
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,960
It looks as if he's waiting
for his friends to join him.
522
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,520
But this makes no sense.
523
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,880
You would wait on the platform,
because the doors could slide shut,
524
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,680
you could be out of
the station any moment.
525
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,120
No-one waits for their friends
on the train.
526
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,160
In retrospect,
he simply must have been
527
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,960
a plainclothes policeman
who was waiting for
528
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,320
the uniformed armed policemen
to join him.
529
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,880
Roughly, we're waiting about
a minute,
530
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,120
a minute and ten seconds,
at the most,
531
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,160
and then our radios suddenly came
to life.
532
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,800
"He must not get on the tube.
Stop him from getting on the tube."
533
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,080
And then my team sergeant said,
534
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,920
"State red. State red."
535
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:58,640
Which was our terminology
for...deployment.
536
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,920
So I...I left my vehicle.
537
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,440
Ran straight across the road,
538
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,360
er, through the traffic.
And I thought I was on my own.
539
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,200
Absolutely, I didn't know,
540
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,040
I hadn't seen any of the other team.
541
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:23,040
And then I had, er,
eye contact with C2,
542
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,560
and he's my close friend,
my brother-in-arms.
543
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,600
And just seeing him,
544
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,120
having that eye contact
545
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,720
where we both knew that we were
there together...
546
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,160
..was...was a good feeling.
547
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,320
It was a good feeling.
548
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,000
We knew that the suspect had gone
through the barriers
549
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,480
and actually gone through down
to onto the tube station,
550
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,040
so we knew we were playing catch-up.
551
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,280
I vaulted, er, the turnstile.
552
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,960
I had nothing on me to identify
that I was a police officer.
553
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,320
I remember seeing
a transport worker look up,
554
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,160
a bit shocked,
and before he could say anything,
555
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,680
I managed to just chop him
out of the way with my hand,
556
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,840
and then jump down,
557
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,200
and I sprinted towards
the escalators.
558
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,240
And I just ran down.
559
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,840
I know my weapon was out
at this stage,
560
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,320
but I tucked it down by
my right buttock and out of view.
561
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,920
I remember thinking,
"Who am I looking for?"
562
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Trying to recall that person
from that photograph
563
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,720
that I had about a 10-second
glimpse of.
564
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,840
I looked along the line of
the tube carriageway
565
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,080
and the line was broken by a foot.
566
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,800
And I sort of zeroed in on
that foot.
567
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,680
And it was sticking out the door.
568
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,400
And I recognised the technique.
569
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,680
And I just immediately looked at him
570
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,520
and I stepped on board the tube,
571
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,880
and I just assumed it was
a surveillance officer,
572
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,720
I'd never seen this person before.
573
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,560
And...and it was.
574
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,160
And as soon as I took one step
onto that tube...
575
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,320
..he's spun round
576
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,960
and he's indicated a person sitting
577
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,080
on the opposite corner,
and he went, "That's him."
578
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,360
So things happen really, really,
really quickly at this stage.
579
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:21,520
As soon as that surveillance officer
said,
580
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,480
identified and pointed at this male,
581
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,120
that person stood up.
582
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,560
But it was the way they stood up
583
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,120
that triggered something in my head
that wasn't right.
584
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,200
He had his hands,
585
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,400
they were almost hovering
above his knees.
586
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,680
And as he stood up,
587
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,120
he didn't use anything to push
himself off a chair
588
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,440
or anything like that.
589
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,920
He just got up like this
590
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,280
and immediately turned to his right,
591
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,760
which is where we were,
and came towards us.
592
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,040
At the same time,
593
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,640
I brought my weapon up
and pointed at his head
594
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,520
and shouted, "Armed police."
595
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,080
And at that stage, in my head...
596
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,760
..this person knew who we were.
597
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,120
This person, by the way they got up,
598
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,400
was coming forward in order
to detonate a bomb
599
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,400
and kill us.
600
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,840
He still continued on his forward
momentum
601
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,160
as I had my weapon up,
pointing at his head.
602
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,040
I remember the surveillance
officer then,
603
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,720
in full body contact with him.
604
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,520
And apparently what he was trying
to do was pin his hands
605
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,400
so that he couldn't detonate.
606
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,200
I'm aware of C2,
607
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,720
who's on my left-hand side.
608
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:34,360
I can just see him
in my peripheral vision,
609
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,040
and I just know, I'm expecting
an explosion at any moment.
610
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,840
He's going to blow,
we're going to die.
611
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,320
But that is the...that's
the nub of it -
612
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,480
if I don't do something now,
we are all going to die,
613
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,160
the public, everyone's going to die.
614
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,640
We're going to die.
615
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,000
I knew I had to take that shot.
616
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,200
I just knew I had to.
617
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,400
And I couldn't,
618
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,880
because the surveillance officer's
head's in the way.
619
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,800
So I've had to push his head out of
the way
620
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,200
in order to get on target.
621
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,560
So I did that with my gun -
622
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,960
quickly brought it up,
and then, once his head was clear...
623
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,400
..I engaged with a...a few shots.
624
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,040
Time seemed to slow down then.
625
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,080
I remember seeing
the shots going in,
626
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,800
but then having to close my eyes,
627
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,440
um, because of the force of
the explosion.
628
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Without being too indelicate,
629
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,200
there was debris coming back.
630
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,840
And I remember sort
of partially flinching,
631
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,920
er, with, er,
the stuff that was coming back.
632
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,360
At the same time, er,
633
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,760
C2 was pushing down on
the surveillance officer's head
634
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,160
with his hand
in order so that he could take
635
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,360
the shots on the required area.
636
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,160
It was a simultaneous action
by both myself and C2.
637
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:11,600
I remember once
we finished firing...
638
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,240
..there was...
639
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,800
..like a deafening silence
and a real stillness.
640
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,400
I remember thinking,
I need to make sure you're dead.
641
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,600
And so I partially took
a half step back
642
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,560
and I fired another shot.
643
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,160
Er, and I didn't see any movement.
644
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,560
And I just thought, "We stopped
this bomb from going off."
645
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,640
I remember a man running past
saying, "Out the way. Out the way.
646
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,720
"Get out the way! Get out the way!"
And I saw they had guns.
647
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,640
And then suddenly we hear shouting
and running.
648
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,520
And, in a flash, you can see
a crowd of very well-built men.
649
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,040
You see a flash of black and white.
650
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,440
And I remember thinking instantly,
651
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,920
"It's the police. There's some kind
of incident.
652
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,240
"It's time to get off this train."
653
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,560
There's a woman standing next to me,
and we just kind of did that...
654
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,760
"What should we do?" And she's
looking like, "What should we do?"
655
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,760
And we just ran.
656
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,320
I remember hearing shots,
657
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,520
and I think at least one woman
crying out in fear.
658
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,000
And then you think,
"If it's armed police,
659
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,600
"are they...are they chasing after
a suicide bomber?
660
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,600
"And if there is a suicide bomber
661
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,920
"in the same space as me...
662
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,600
"..I could be dead in a minute. "
663
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,360
We're off the train in seconds.
664
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,760
We're all running down
the length of the platform.
665
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,360
The only way out is an exit right
at the end of the platform.
666
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,520
So, for about 50 yards or so,
667
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,120
you're just running down, very much
aware that if anybody shot down
668
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,000
the length of platform,
it would be fish in a barrel,
669
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,440
there'd be nowhere to go.
670
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,880
So for a few seconds, we're
all aware there is nowhere to hide.
671
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,160
And everything flashes past.
672
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,760
I just thought about my daughter.
673
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,400
Um, I just wanted to get home
to her.
674
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,520
Er...
675
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Yeah. I was thinking about
my daughter the whole time.
676
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,560
Everybody ran to the end
and then got on the escalators.
677
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,880
And I just remember thinking,
"I nearly died today.
678
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,120
"I could have died today.
679
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,240
"Thank God...
680
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,320
"..the police were able
to...to get in the way of that.
681
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,200
"Thank God a bomb didn't go off
and hurt anybody."
682
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,880
So I remember leaving the tube,
683
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,720
and I went back, er,
towards the escalators,
684
00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,440
and I stayed in the tunnel.
685
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,360
And then I was joined by C2.
686
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,680
And I looked at him and I thought...
687
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,960
"What's happened?"
688
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,200
Because I looked at him
689
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:19,560
and he was covered,
er, blood, debris from head to foot.
690
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,520
And I think I was in the same...
691
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,840
Well, I know I was in the same state
because I could see it,
692
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,120
er, I could feel it on my face,
693
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,040
and I could see it on my clothes.
694
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,200
There was no elation.
695
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,520
There was no...shitty high five,
696
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,800
there was nothing like that at all.
697
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,760
It was just that...
698
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,080
..we've been through something
and we're here.
699
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,040
We've...we've survived.
700
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,840
And that was it.
701
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,320
I remember being quietly
driven away,
702
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,520
er, back to, er, our base.
703
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,280
We went in through the back gate.
704
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,760
I was acutely aware...
705
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,560
um, of the contamination
that we had on us -
706
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,840
if I can use that word.
707
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,120
Um, I could see,
708
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,160
er, the blood, everything.
709
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,720
We were covered in it.
710
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,000
And our post-incident
manager refused
711
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,520
to let us get out of our clothes
712
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,720
because he was worried
about the evidential chain.
713
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,040
So we...we wore those clothes,
714
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,640
and we were in the state we were in
715
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,080
for a good couple of hours,
716
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,880
which was pretty horrific.
717
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,360
Pretty horrific.
718
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,760
I just couldn't wait to have
a shower.
719
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,000
I just needed to cleanse myself.
720
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,960
I remember getting all the soap
all over myself,
721
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,160
er, pouring it all over my head,
like large amounts.
722
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,120
I remember feeling, like, tiny,
little sharp fragments in my head,
723
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,320
and, um, and it...and it...
724
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,120
And I thought, "I don't know what
that is."
725
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,800
And I looked down at the,
er, the white bowl...
726
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,560
..and it was pink with blood.
727
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,280
And then I suddenly realised,
728
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,520
because I was examining these bits
729
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,720
and they were like bone splinters.
730
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,760
They were from the person we shot.
731
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,960
And it was...and it was just like,
"Oh, God!
732
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,040
"I just need to close my eyes.
I need to get clean."
733
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,440
I didn't want to see any more
of someone else's blood.
734
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,440
How do you feel now, telling me?
735
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,560
Oh, it's hard. It is hard telling
you these things.
736
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,080
Yeah, reliving it in this detail
is painful.
737
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Absolutely. Of course it is.
738
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,720
I want to make sure that people
understand that these decisions,
739
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,960
although they're taken quickly
are not taken lightly.
740
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,880
And I've never fired shots
at anyone.
741
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,640
I've never had to use that
level of force at anyone before.
742
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,520
But, because of his actions,
what he did,
743
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,760
the information we've received...
744
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,960
..it left me with
no other conclusion
745
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,840
than I had to act
or we were going to die.
746
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,800
I had officers who were
at the scene of the shooting.
747
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,280
I was being kept apprised
of what was going on
748
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,920
on the ground at the time.
749
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,200
They started the forensic
examination of
750
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,840
the man who'd been shot.
751
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,440
There were individuals
who were present at the scene
752
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,360
who, despite the horrific injuries
that he'd sustained,
753
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,080
were pretty confident
that it wasn't Hussain Osman.
754
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,600
Crime scene examiners found
an identity card.
755
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,920
They had shot an innocent young man.
756
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,040
And the death at the hands of police
of an innocent man
757
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,240
can only be characterised
as a disaster.
758
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,160
Murderers! Murderers! Murderers!
759
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,520
REPORTER: A vigil
for Jean Charles de Menezes,
760
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,440
the 27-year-old Brazilian shot dead
by the police on Friday.
761
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,440
REPORTER: The family are furious
762
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,440
with the police, claiming
a cover-up.
763
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,880
And they want to see pictures of
the person who shot their cousin.
764
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,000
They want punishment to be served.
765
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,680
He should be incarcerated,
where he belongs.
766
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,880
REPORTER: With every passing hour,
it seems
767
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,440
the net is tightening
on this terrorist cell.
768
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,000
The big question is, though,
769
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,800
can the police catch these men
before they strike again?
770
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:13,100
Everyone goes through a lot in life,
don't they?
771
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:15,340
And whatever's given to you,
772
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:18,460
you have to cope with,
as best you can.
773
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:24,460
I joined the Metropolitan Police
about 18.
774
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,660
I've dealt with quite
a lot of things.
775
00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:33,620
I've always seen policing,
good versus evil.
776
00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:37,940
Clear defined terms.
We're the goodies,
777
00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:39,300
you've got to fight the baddies
778
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:41,860
for the benefit of
the good people in society.
779
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:50,460
Never thought that I would have
to face
780
00:46:50,460 --> 00:46:56,260
a situation where I could turn from
being a goody,
781
00:46:56,260 --> 00:47:00,500
to suddenly being
a suspect in the case.
782
00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:07,940
As a police officer,
if you're charged with an offence,
783
00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:09,740
your life is over.
784
00:47:30,860 --> 00:47:33,740
WOMAN: That was the scariest thing
that has ever happened in my life.
785
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:38,100
And I just remember thinking
I nearly died today,
786
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:40,020
I could have died today.
787
00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:42,300
SIRENS WAIL
788
00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:47,380
Some breaking news coming from
the Metropolitan Police.
789
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:53,100
We understand that there are reports
that police have shot
790
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:57,340
a suspected suicide bomber
in South London.
791
00:48:00,020 --> 00:48:03,100
I remember all of us running up
the escalators.
792
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:04,940
When we got to the top,
there was obviously
793
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:07,300
a lot of police activity outside,
794
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:09,660
and they were trying
to get us away from the station.
795
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:12,140
We crossed the road, and there was
a NatWest bank on the corner.
796
00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:14,620
We've moved inside the bank
and they shut the doors
797
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:16,980
and locked the doors.
You could hear the helicopters,
798
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:20,780
so quite soon after that you had
all the news networks
799
00:48:20,780 --> 00:48:22,980
had their helicopters above.
800
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:27,020
There is now a major security alert
801
00:48:27,020 --> 00:48:29,620
at Stockwell tube station
in South London.
802
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:30,900
Within the past few minutes,
803
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:34,700
Scotland Yard have confirmed that
armed officers have shot a man.
804
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:38,140
From Stockwell station down here,
which is still cordoned off,
805
00:48:38,140 --> 00:48:41,620
we understand that the police have
brought the eyewitnesses up
806
00:48:41,620 --> 00:48:43,380
Stockwell Road here to the YMCA.
807
00:48:44,660 --> 00:48:48,380
We were asked to get in these vans
by the police,
808
00:48:48,380 --> 00:48:49,660
not talk to anyone.
809
00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:52,620
And we were just moved
to this place.
810
00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:54,380
And I was there for hours.
811
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:56,740
We were all there for hours,
812
00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:59,100
because they had
to interview everyone.
813
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:02,420
I think at that point,
reading between the lines now,
814
00:49:02,420 --> 00:49:04,620
they wanted to get their ducks
in a row.
815
00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:15,540
My name is Brian Paddick.
816
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:19,380
In 2005,
817
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:21,820
I was the acting
Assistant Commissioner,
818
00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:26,220
territorial policing
in the Metropolitan Police.
819
00:49:26,220 --> 00:49:28,860
We're joined now from Westminster
by Brian Paddick.
820
00:49:28,860 --> 00:49:31,860
We are exploring every
conceivable avenue.
821
00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:33,540
We'll be looking at CCTV.
822
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:36,380
We'll be looking at
the forensic evidence available.
823
00:49:36,380 --> 00:49:41,020
The Met was on a war footing.
I was doing 18-hour days.
824
00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:43,860
We had a manhunt.
825
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:48,260
We were searching
for four people who wanted
826
00:49:48,260 --> 00:49:50,980
to be suicide bombers,
who hadn't detonated their bombs,
827
00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:54,140
who potentially could
simply regroup,
828
00:49:54,140 --> 00:49:58,540
reformulate their bombs,
and be successful next time.
829
00:49:58,540 --> 00:50:01,740
You know, the Met was under,
intense pressure.
830
00:50:03,940 --> 00:50:06,540
NEWSCASTER: Let's just recap today's
dramatic events.
831
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:09,340
A suspected suicide bomber has been
shot dead by police
832
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:12,460
at Stockwell tube station at around
10am this morning.
833
00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:15,220
REPORTER: What we know from
eyewitness accounts is
834
00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:16,820
a man ran into the station,
835
00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:19,500
leapt the barriers,
hotly pursued by police.
836
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:23,020
This man was clearly under
surveillance
837
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:24,940
by a number of police officers.
838
00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:27,620
One witness talking about eight
or nine.
839
00:50:27,620 --> 00:50:30,660
And I think that lends weight
to the very strong suggestion
840
00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:35,740
that he was one of the four would-be
suicide bombers from yesterday.
841
00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:40,580
None of that has been confirmed
by Scotland Yard.
842
00:50:40,580 --> 00:50:42,580
I'm sure they're very busy in there
trying
843
00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:46,020
to put together
the story of what exactly happened.
844
00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:49,940
About five hours after the shooting,
845
00:50:49,940 --> 00:50:54,340
I went to see the Commissioner's
staff officer,
846
00:50:54,340 --> 00:50:56,700
in their office on the eighth floor,
847
00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:00,020
a few doors down from where
the commissioner's office is.
848
00:51:00,020 --> 00:51:01,980
To... I said, "What's happening?"
849
00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:04,780
I'd been told that we'd shot
somebody at Stockwell.
850
00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:06,580
And the Chief Superintendent said,
851
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:08,340
"You'll never guess what we've
done now."
852
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:09,820
And I said, "No."
853
00:51:09,820 --> 00:51:13,020
And he said, "We shot an innocent
Brazilian."
854
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:14,420
And I said, "You're joking."
855
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:15,860
And the chief of staff said,
856
00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:20,980
"No. We found a Brazilian identity
document in his back pocket."
857
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:27,420
I was in charge of the manhunt
to try to find
858
00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:29,860
the four failed suicide bombers.
859
00:51:31,620 --> 00:51:32,780
It was quite clear,
860
00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:35,940
by about four o'clock in the
afternoon, to me,
861
00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:38,780
and I think probably to others,
862
00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:41,540
that the person who'd been shot was
Jean Charles de Menezes,
863
00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:44,060
who was a Brazilian national,
864
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:48,100
who was in the United Kingdom,
working as an electrician.
865
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,780
How did that feel?
Oh, sickening.
866
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:53,500
Yeah.
867
00:51:55,220 --> 00:51:59,620
What other word could you use
for it?
868
00:51:59,620 --> 00:52:03,900
I mean, it was
absolutely, yeah, devastating. Yeah.
869
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:15,420
Just after I was told that we shot
the wrong guy,
870
00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:18,700
the Commissioner walked past
in full uniform,
871
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:22,180
on his way to the Queen Elizabeth II
Centre to do
872
00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:23,340
a press conference.
873
00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:25,260
So I went back to my office
874
00:52:25,260 --> 00:52:28,140
to watch the press conference,
live on TV.
875
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:37,020
Thank you. Thank you for coming.
876
00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:39,300
As part of the operations linked
877
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:41,300
to yesterday's incidents,
878
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:43,100
Metropolitan Police officers
have shot
879
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:46,740
a man inside
Stockwell underground station.
880
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:50,460
The information I have available is
that this shooting is directly
881
00:52:50,460 --> 00:52:55,820
linked to the ongoing and expanding
anti-terrorist operation.
882
00:52:55,820 --> 00:53:00,460
I need to make clear that any death
is deeply regrettable.
883
00:53:00,460 --> 00:53:02,740
But on...
As I understand the situation,
884
00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:04,420
the man was challenged
885
00:53:04,420 --> 00:53:07,620
and refused to obey
police instructions.
886
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:12,020
The Met put up four still
photographs from CCTV
887
00:53:12,020 --> 00:53:14,980
of the four attempted suicide
bombers
888
00:53:14,980 --> 00:53:17,980
that they were looking for
from the previous day.
889
00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:20,340
Do you recognise any of these men?
890
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:25,420
Did you see them at the three
underground stations or on the bus?
891
00:53:25,420 --> 00:53:26,740
I just thought to myself,
892
00:53:26,740 --> 00:53:29,900
"Well, if we're still looking
for these four suicide bombers,
893
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:32,300
"who is it that we shot?"
894
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:36,620
Would be an obvious question for
the media to ask,
895
00:53:36,620 --> 00:53:38,380
but nobody asked it.
896
00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:41,260
I hope very much that we will be
able to bring this
897
00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:44,780
to as swift a conclusion
as possible. Thanks very much.
898
00:53:46,420 --> 00:53:49,660
The commissioner says that he wasn't
told on the day
899
00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:52,300
the identity of
the person who'd been shot.
900
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:54,500
He says he didn't know until
the following day.
901
00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:58,420
But some people at Scotland Yard
902
00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:01,660
knew that this guy was clearly
innocent...
903
00:54:03,140 --> 00:54:05,580
..and they didn't tell
that information
904
00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:08,140
to the armed officers who shot him.
905
00:54:12,020 --> 00:54:16,500
I was at our base.
The weapons were handed over.
906
00:54:18,620 --> 00:54:20,380
We were seen by doctors
907
00:54:20,380 --> 00:54:24,140
to make sure that we were fit enough
908
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:26,780
to write some form of evidence.
909
00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:29,900
I remember just already starting
to feel exhausted.
910
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:32,860
Really, really tired.
911
00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:35,700
And then I was given a lift home.
912
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:40,420
And obviously life continues
as normal, doesn't it?
913
00:54:41,660 --> 00:54:44,020
Still had my daughter to look after.
914
00:54:44,020 --> 00:54:47,820
Um... When did you tell your partner
what had happened?
915
00:54:47,820 --> 00:54:51,660
I just said,
"Look, it's all over the news."
916
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:55,940
That's me.
Because you've got to be honest.
917
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:58,700
You can't hide things like that.
918
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:00,420
Were you able to sleep that night?
919
00:55:00,420 --> 00:55:03,340
No, I wasn't able to sleep at all.
No.
920
00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:06,100
No, not at all.
921
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:10,820
Went to work the next day.
922
00:55:10,820 --> 00:55:13,980
We had a designated meeting,
923
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:16,940
we had to be there for midday.
924
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:21,260
So we went upstairs
to the senior management team,
925
00:55:21,260 --> 00:55:23,620
and we sat down.
926
00:55:24,820 --> 00:55:27,180
And he said, words to the effect,
927
00:55:27,180 --> 00:55:29,020
he said, look, he said,
I've got to tell you,
928
00:55:29,020 --> 00:55:34,300
he said, the person that you shot
yesterday was unconnected
929
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:35,780
with the terrorist attacks.
930
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:40,340
How did that feel?
931
00:55:46,900 --> 00:55:49,420
It's unpleasant. Christ!
932
00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:53,380
You know, this is something I and C2
have to live with
933
00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:55,300
for the rest of our lives.
934
00:55:57,180 --> 00:55:58,420
Obviously.
935
00:55:58,420 --> 00:56:04,260
And it's our duty
to fully explain to the family,
936
00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:08,660
in a respectful way, why we acted...
937
00:56:10,940 --> 00:56:13,300
..how we acted.
938
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:16,900
Everything told me,
everything told me,
939
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:18,340
that I was going to die.
940
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:22,820
Everything.
941
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:26,660
And that's why I acted like I did.
942
00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:28,180
And it transpires...
943
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:30,700
..that wasn't the case.
944
00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:37,220
So how do you think I feel
after that?
945
00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:25,820
Good evening.
946
00:59:25,820 --> 00:59:27,780
The Metropolitan Police say
the man shot dead
947
00:59:27,780 --> 00:59:30,060
on the London Underground yesterday
was not connected
948
00:59:30,060 --> 00:59:31,980
to the hunt for Thursday's bombers.
949
00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:34,940
Tonight, Scotland Yard identified
him as Jean Charles de Menezes,
950
00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:36,500
a 27-year-old Brazilian.
951
00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:41,980
REPORTER: Police had said the
shooting of a man yesterday morning
952
00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:44,340
at Stockwell tube station was
directly linked
953
00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:46,260
to the anti-terrorist operation.
954
00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:48,900
But now Scotland Yard admits
that wasn't the case.
955
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:51,540
He was a 27-year-old
Brazilian electrician,
956
00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:52,700
not a terrorist.
957
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:55,300
REPORTER: Within the past half hour
Downing Street has confirmed that
958
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:57,980
the Prime Minister has been informed
of the latest events...
959
00:59:59,180 --> 01:00:00,700
..but he will, like the police,
960
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:02,740
now come under intense questioning
961
01:00:02,740 --> 01:00:05,380
over how the man at Stockwell
station came to be shot,
962
01:00:05,380 --> 01:00:08,020
and exactly what policies are
in operation.
963
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,860
I remember being told about
964
01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:19,980
the tragic shooting of
the Brazilian young man.
965
01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:21,900
And it was just a terrible,
terrible tragedy
966
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:25,140
because he was obviously
completely innocent.
967
01:00:27,580 --> 01:00:29,500
It's just important to recollect
968
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:31,940
that, at the time, we were
only just over two weeks
969
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:34,940
from the 7/7 bombings themselves.
970
01:00:34,940 --> 01:00:37,260
I mean, everyone was in
a heightened state of anxiety
971
01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:38,740
and nervousness.
972
01:00:38,740 --> 01:00:41,500
You know, if they miss someone
in those circumstances
973
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:44,300
and they turn out to be a terrorist,
974
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:45,700
and then they kill other people.
975
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:47,980
I mean, the police are
going to come under huge criticism.
976
01:00:47,980 --> 01:00:51,020
So it was...it was pretty difficult.
977
01:00:51,020 --> 01:00:53,460
And...and it was just...
978
01:00:53,460 --> 01:00:56,820
it was a tragic accident,
that's what it was.
979
01:00:56,820 --> 01:00:59,100
And I said,
we've just got to be open about.
980
01:00:59,100 --> 01:01:00,820
It was a terrible mistake,
981
01:01:00,820 --> 01:01:03,980
and we should... We're just going
to have to own up to it.
982
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:10,020
REPORTER: The police have said they
ordered him to stop
983
01:01:10,020 --> 01:01:12,380
and that they drew their guns.
984
01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:14,660
It's then believed he jumped
the ticket barrier
985
01:01:14,660 --> 01:01:16,300
and run down to platform level,
986
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:19,780
and was either pushed or fell
onto a Northern Line tube,
987
01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:21,780
where he was shot in the head.
988
01:01:21,780 --> 01:01:23,380
A member of the public gave
989
01:01:23,380 --> 01:01:28,740
the account that de Menezes was
chased through the station,
990
01:01:28,740 --> 01:01:31,300
vaulting the turnstiles.
991
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:36,020
Everyone took that as the correct
account of what happened.
992
01:01:36,020 --> 01:01:38,500
Witnesses say he vaulted
the ticket barriers
993
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:41,340
and ran down the escalator
to the Northern Line train,
994
01:01:41,340 --> 01:01:44,340
where officers shot him eight times.
995
01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:47,180
Myself and C2 didn't have anything
on us
996
01:01:47,180 --> 01:01:49,140
to identify that we were
armed officers.
997
01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:51,180
Because we were so far ahead
998
01:01:51,180 --> 01:01:54,260
of the rest of the guys
that were deploying,
999
01:01:54,260 --> 01:01:58,980
the members of the public mistook us
for the actual suspects.
1000
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:03,780
But that was the narrative
that everyone went with.
1001
01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:04,980
Members of the public,
1002
01:02:04,980 --> 01:02:08,740
eye-witnesses, are seeing people
vaulting over the gates
1003
01:02:08,740 --> 01:02:12,420
and assuming it's the suicide bomber
who's vaulting over the gates,
1004
01:02:12,420 --> 01:02:13,940
not police officers.
1005
01:02:13,940 --> 01:02:17,020
So that's where you get
the confusion about that.
1006
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:19,820
But you've also got, um,
1007
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:28,420
the Metropolitan Police not doing
anything to try and correct that.
1008
01:02:28,420 --> 01:02:31,220
The difficulties are that we're left
with so many questions.
1009
01:02:31,220 --> 01:02:34,940
We don't know why Jean ran away
from the police.
1010
01:02:34,940 --> 01:02:38,100
We don't know why he didn't respond
when they shouted to him.
1011
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:41,700
REPORTER: Police apparently
challenged him. So why did he run?
1012
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:43,300
The police cannot comment, can they,
1013
01:02:43,300 --> 01:02:47,940
because the investigation is still
going on?
1014
01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:52,820
And so they keep quiet,
and they let this narrative go.
1015
01:02:52,820 --> 01:02:56,180
Well, Gesio de Avila, who was
a friend of Jean, is here.
1016
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:58,700
A lot of people, of course, are
asking the question,
1017
01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:01,060
why would he not give himself up
to police?
1018
01:03:01,060 --> 01:03:04,660
Why do you think, or you must have
spent time thinking,
1019
01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:07,100
would he have been running away?
1020
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:09,220
I don't think he ran away.
1021
01:03:09,220 --> 01:03:15,140
If he did, he did this action, it is
to get to the train,
1022
01:03:15,140 --> 01:03:17,420
not from the police.
1023
01:03:40,460 --> 01:03:44,220
REPORTER: A vigil outside Stockwell
station for Jean Charles De Menezes.
1024
01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:46,220
Flowers, candles and protests
1025
01:03:46,220 --> 01:03:49,700
over what has now turned out to be
a tragic mistake.
1026
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:52,900
INDISTINCT
1027
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:57,140
Three of Mr De Menezes' cousins
prayed for him.
1028
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:21,380
My name's Neil Garrett.
1029
01:04:21,380 --> 01:04:25,020
I was quite young when
this happened. I was 28.
1030
01:04:25,020 --> 01:04:30,340
I was a humble newsroom producer
at ITV news.
1031
01:04:32,020 --> 01:04:35,500
The reports that were in
the public domain were saying
1032
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:39,820
that he'd been challenged by
firearms officers,
1033
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:40,980
and that, upon being challenged,
1034
01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:42,420
he'd run,
1035
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:44,060
and he'd vaulted the barriers,
1036
01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:47,420
and he'd run down the escalators,
1037
01:04:47,420 --> 01:04:51,460
giving the firearms officers
no choice but to chase him.
1038
01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:54,660
I remember saying, this is like
something out of Hollywood.
1039
01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:56,860
This is...this is like James Bond.
1040
01:04:59,060 --> 01:05:01,500
The police put out
a series of press releases
1041
01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:03,860
that repeatedly say, 'His clothing
1042
01:05:03,860 --> 01:05:07,380
"and behaviour at the station added
to their suspicions."
1043
01:05:08,740 --> 01:05:14,380
And there it just seemed something
just not quite right about it.
1044
01:05:14,380 --> 01:05:15,900
Not quite credible.
1045
01:05:19,700 --> 01:05:23,100
So the week following
Jean Charles's shooting,
1046
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:24,900
on the Saturday night,
1047
01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:29,860
my girlfriend, Louise, was off
to a barbecue with some friends.
1048
01:05:29,860 --> 01:05:32,220
She had a friend called Lana.
1049
01:05:33,580 --> 01:05:34,940
An hour or two later,
1050
01:05:34,940 --> 01:05:40,500
I get a phone call from Louise,
who is breathless,
1051
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:42,780
and she says,
"You're not going to believe this.
1052
01:05:42,780 --> 01:05:46,940
"Um, Lana works for the IPCC,
1053
01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:49,300
"the Independent Police
Complaints Commission,
1054
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:52,860
"this narrative that he's
acted suspiciously,
1055
01:05:52,860 --> 01:05:55,220
"that he'd dressed suspiciously,
1056
01:05:55,220 --> 01:05:58,340
"that he ran when challenged,
was a complete lie."
1057
01:05:59,540 --> 01:06:00,780
None of it was true.
1058
01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:07,020
He'd done nothing
to warrant being shot that day.
1059
01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:12,460
I knew that
this was...this was huge,
1060
01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:15,460
that this was something we had
to get out there.
1061
01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:30,500
I enjoyed school.
1062
01:06:32,580 --> 01:06:35,100
A family friend suggested,
why don't you join the police?
1063
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:37,540
And it was something I hadn't even
considered at all.
1064
01:06:39,140 --> 01:06:41,660
But I really love actually going
out there
1065
01:06:41,660 --> 01:06:46,060
and doing good
and doing a worthwhile job.
1066
01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:50,620
In 1998, I applied for
a specialist firearms officers.
1067
01:06:50,620 --> 01:06:52,980
You're trained
in close-quarter combat,
1068
01:06:52,980 --> 01:06:55,340
room combat, room entries.
1069
01:06:55,340 --> 01:07:00,260
You have to be controlled
and think about your actions.
1070
01:07:00,260 --> 01:07:02,660
Every use of force is
going to be scrutinised,
1071
01:07:02,660 --> 01:07:04,100
and quite rightly so.
1072
01:07:05,220 --> 01:07:09,620
But this does put additional
pressures on the officers.
1073
01:07:16,140 --> 01:07:20,380
We built up this dossier
of leaked IPCC documents.
1074
01:07:22,060 --> 01:07:24,420
Statements from
the firearms officers,
1075
01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:26,740
the statements from
the surveillance officers,
1076
01:07:26,740 --> 01:07:28,860
statements from Gold Command,
1077
01:07:28,860 --> 01:07:31,420
who were in charge of
the operation that day.
1078
01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:36,980
It presented a completely different
account of events
1079
01:07:36,980 --> 01:07:38,860
to what was in the public domain
at that point.
1080
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:54,620
We had a number of briefings.
1081
01:07:54,620 --> 01:07:57,660
We were told information from 7/7
1082
01:07:57,660 --> 01:08:01,740
about the way the devices
were constructed,
1083
01:08:01,740 --> 01:08:05,220
how volatile they were,
how they could be set off.
1084
01:08:05,220 --> 01:08:07,060
They could be set off remotely,
1085
01:08:07,060 --> 01:08:10,180
they could be set off
with excessive heat.
1086
01:08:10,180 --> 01:08:13,180
You have to frame your mindset
to what you might have to face.
1087
01:08:15,340 --> 01:08:20,780
We were told that one of
the suspects had been identified.
1088
01:08:20,780 --> 01:08:23,140
A gym membership card had been found
1089
01:08:23,140 --> 01:08:25,900
in the top of a rucksack
which had partially detonated.
1090
01:08:26,980 --> 01:08:29,900
They knew that Hussain Osman lived
1091
01:08:29,900 --> 01:08:33,220
in this multi-occupancy block
of flats.
1092
01:08:33,220 --> 01:08:36,500
And so they stuck
a van outside of those flats
1093
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:38,220
with a surveillance officer in,
1094
01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:41,700
and he needed to relieve himself.
1095
01:08:43,060 --> 01:08:48,140
But, at the same time, he saw
someone leaving this block of flats,
1096
01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:50,420
but he didn't get a good look
at him,
1097
01:08:50,420 --> 01:08:53,060
and so he radioed it in
1098
01:08:53,060 --> 01:08:56,540
and said possible suspect has left
the flat.
1099
01:09:00,460 --> 01:09:03,100
Jean Charles de Menezes exited
1100
01:09:03,100 --> 01:09:06,020
the block of flats at Scotia Road,
1101
01:09:06,020 --> 01:09:08,500
walked to the bus stop.
1102
01:09:08,500 --> 01:09:10,260
Got on a bus.
1103
01:09:15,140 --> 01:09:17,820
There were surveillance officers
on the bus with him.
1104
01:09:20,780 --> 01:09:23,780
The firearms team are waiting
to get called forward
1105
01:09:23,780 --> 01:09:25,580
if an intervention is required.
1106
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:29,740
As I understood it,
1107
01:09:29,740 --> 01:09:33,420
the firearms teams would only be
deployed
1108
01:09:33,420 --> 01:09:37,180
on positively identified
suicide bombers.
1109
01:09:41,540 --> 01:09:42,980
The commander in charge of
1110
01:09:42,980 --> 01:09:45,180
the operation that day was
Cressida Dick...
1111
01:09:46,180 --> 01:09:49,620
..one of their most promising
officers who they had tipped
1112
01:09:49,620 --> 01:09:51,900
as a future Commissioner of the Met.
1113
01:09:55,540 --> 01:09:58,980
There was bad communication between
the officers on the bus
1114
01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:03,820
and Cressida Dick, who was in
the control room at Scotland Yard.
1115
01:10:03,820 --> 01:10:05,820
The difficulty is, is that you have
1116
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:10,340
a number of different communication
networks all running simultaneously.
1117
01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:11,980
The surveillance team will be on
1118
01:10:11,980 --> 01:10:15,140
a closed encrypted network.
1119
01:10:15,140 --> 01:10:16,780
The firearms support team,
1120
01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:19,580
also on their own net.
1121
01:10:20,940 --> 01:10:23,580
Our radio systems are
quite antiquated,
1122
01:10:23,580 --> 01:10:29,140
and I remember hearing,
some broken communications
1123
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:31,340
that...that were inaudible.
1124
01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:36,460
There was a lot of uncertainty
and confusion.
1125
01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:41,420
Jean Charles is travelling by bus,
1126
01:10:41,420 --> 01:10:44,100
hoping to get to Brixton station.
1127
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:46,100
Unbeknown to him,
1128
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:47,900
Brixton station is closed that day,
1129
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:49,580
so he gets off the bus...
1130
01:10:50,780 --> 01:10:55,460
..sees that Brixton Tube is closed,
and then gets back on the bus.
1131
01:10:55,460 --> 01:10:57,820
They thought it was
anti-surveillance technique,
1132
01:10:57,820 --> 01:10:59,300
because that's what you would do
to try
1133
01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:01,660
and throw off a tail if you were
being followed.
1134
01:11:01,660 --> 01:11:06,820
That would have heightened
their suspicion.
1135
01:11:06,820 --> 01:11:11,100
But they kept saying,
we're not sure this is the guy.
1136
01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:17,460
The bus is now heading
towards Stockwell.
1137
01:11:19,620 --> 01:11:22,540
And I'm starting
to pick up some radio comms now.
1138
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:26,300
Jean Charles gets off the bus.
1139
01:11:27,580 --> 01:11:32,140
He walks calmly into
the foyer of Stockwell station...
1140
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:34,940
..picks up a Metro.
1141
01:11:34,940 --> 01:11:37,700
There are no signs
of any officers in pursuit.
1142
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:40,940
He is not challenged.
1143
01:11:40,940 --> 01:11:42,460
No-one stops him.
1144
01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:48,420
We arrived outside Stockwell
tube station.
1145
01:11:49,660 --> 01:11:54,060
I remember hearing the surveillance
officers saying, the suspect was now
1146
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:56,540
in...in...in into
Stockwell tube station.
1147
01:11:56,540 --> 01:11:58,820
What do you want us
to do?
1148
01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:00,380
And we didn't hear anything.
1149
01:12:00,380 --> 01:12:01,820
We just heard, "Standby. Standby."
1150
01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:09,820
Jean Charles then uses his Oyster
card to get through
1151
01:12:09,820 --> 01:12:13,180
the barriers and calmly walks down
the escalator.
1152
01:12:14,820 --> 01:12:18,140
There is mounting concern
that this is a terrorist
1153
01:12:18,140 --> 01:12:21,540
who is about to detonate a device
on public transport.
1154
01:12:21,540 --> 01:12:23,260
Our radios suddenly came to life.
1155
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:25,820
"He must not get on the tube.
1156
01:12:25,820 --> 01:12:28,660
"Stop him from getting on the tube."
1157
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:33,580
And then, my team sergeant said,
"State Red. State Red."
1158
01:12:33,580 --> 01:12:36,540
Which was our authorisation
for deployment.
1159
01:12:36,540 --> 01:12:38,260
There were nine officers
1160
01:12:38,260 --> 01:12:41,940
inside that foyer of
the tube station within 12 seconds.
1161
01:12:41,940 --> 01:12:47,020
I had eye contact with C2,
brother in arms.
1162
01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:48,900
When we reach a State Red,
1163
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:51,940
the firearms teams have full control
of that operation,
1164
01:12:51,940 --> 01:12:54,300
and it's down to us to decide
1165
01:12:54,300 --> 01:12:58,620
how and when we implement whatever
tactic we have to implement.
1166
01:12:58,620 --> 01:13:00,540
We had a directive,
1167
01:13:00,540 --> 01:13:04,260
"Stop him from getting on the tube.
He must not get on the tube."
1168
01:13:04,260 --> 01:13:09,540
Now what does that mean?
Stop, arrest, shoot on sight?
1169
01:13:09,540 --> 01:13:13,380
The order was ambiguous.
1170
01:13:13,380 --> 01:13:17,780
She says she did not authorise them
to shoot,
1171
01:13:17,780 --> 01:13:21,460
whereas the officers believed that
they were authorised to shoot.
1172
01:13:22,860 --> 01:13:25,220
I believed we'd only be deployed
1173
01:13:25,220 --> 01:13:28,140
on positively identified suicide
bombers.
1174
01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:32,420
There was no doubt in my mind
1175
01:13:32,420 --> 01:13:34,780
the suspect had been identified,
1176
01:13:34,780 --> 01:13:37,700
and that was our authorisation
to deploy.
1177
01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:40,420
The police radios aren't
working underground,
1178
01:13:40,420 --> 01:13:45,220
so, at this point, no-one is
in communication with anyone else.
1179
01:13:45,220 --> 01:13:46,820
The train was held,
1180
01:13:46,820 --> 01:13:49,340
armed officers entered
the carriage.
1181
01:13:49,340 --> 01:13:52,260
A surveillance officer went
"That's him."
1182
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:54,540
Jean Charles de Menezes stands up.
1183
01:13:54,540 --> 01:13:55,860
And as he stood up,
1184
01:13:55,860 --> 01:13:59,660
I just know I'm expecting
an explosion at any moment.
1185
01:13:59,660 --> 01:14:02,540
They were fully under the impression
1186
01:14:02,540 --> 01:14:06,620
that he'd been positively ID'ed
as Hussain Osman.
1187
01:14:06,620 --> 01:14:11,540
I was 100% convinced that we were
all about to die.
1188
01:14:11,540 --> 01:14:14,340
100%. That is concrete.
1189
01:14:14,340 --> 01:14:16,780
That is it.
1190
01:14:16,780 --> 01:14:18,980
I knew I had to take that shot.
1191
01:14:23,860 --> 01:14:29,260
It was just a series of unfortunate
mistakes
1192
01:14:29,260 --> 01:14:31,620
that resulted in the death
of an innocent man.
1193
01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:35,420
Had the Met owned up
to those mistakes,
1194
01:14:35,420 --> 01:14:37,220
I don't think
anyone would have blamed them.
1195
01:14:37,220 --> 01:14:42,420
It was a very febrile time
in London at that time.
1196
01:14:42,420 --> 01:14:47,540
Two weeks earlier, 52 people had
been killed in terrorist attacks.
1197
01:14:50,060 --> 01:14:52,580
It was obviously an extremely,
1198
01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:54,820
extremely challenging operation.
1199
01:14:56,980 --> 01:14:59,620
And they...
But they lost control of it.
1200
01:14:59,620 --> 01:15:03,300
And worse than that, they were
going to allow
1201
01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:05,820
an innocent man to die
1202
01:15:05,820 --> 01:15:08,020
with no correction of
the public record.
1203
01:15:10,900 --> 01:15:13,580
When I contacted my bosses and said,
1204
01:15:13,580 --> 01:15:15,980
"I've got this story."
1205
01:15:15,980 --> 01:15:20,220
I think there was a slight air of
disbelief.
1206
01:15:21,660 --> 01:15:25,380
It was not my job as a producer
to break stories,
1207
01:15:25,380 --> 01:15:28,540
I was not an investigative
journalist.
1208
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:33,780
But they saw what we had for the
first time and jaws hit the floor.
1209
01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:36,140
REPORTER: Documents obtained by ITV
News show
1210
01:15:36,140 --> 01:15:38,620
claims that de Menezes fled from
the police,
1211
01:15:38,620 --> 01:15:40,300
that he was suspiciously dressed,
1212
01:15:40,300 --> 01:15:43,340
and that he was behaving
erratically are false.
1213
01:15:43,340 --> 01:15:44,700
Documents that point to
1214
01:15:44,700 --> 01:15:48,220
a catastrophic failure of
the police surveillance operation,
1215
01:15:48,220 --> 01:15:51,580
which resulted in a violent
and unnecessary killing.
1216
01:15:51,580 --> 01:15:53,940
The postmortem report,
which we've obtained,
1217
01:15:53,940 --> 01:15:56,900
talks of Jean Charles vaulting over
the ticket barrier,
1218
01:15:56,900 --> 01:15:59,460
of running and then stumbling onto
the train.
1219
01:15:59,460 --> 01:16:01,940
The problem is, none of it's true.
1220
01:16:01,940 --> 01:16:05,340
It just didn't happen
the way we were told it happened.
1221
01:16:05,340 --> 01:16:08,260
So now it's not just the Met's
handling of the shooting incident
1222
01:16:08,260 --> 01:16:10,060
that's being called into question,
1223
01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:12,780
but its whole handling
of events thereafter,
1224
01:16:12,780 --> 01:16:16,020
and the release, or non-release,
of information.
1225
01:16:16,020 --> 01:16:19,260
The family fear that
the IPCC investigation,
1226
01:16:19,260 --> 01:16:22,180
rather than being a tool
to unearth the truth,
1227
01:16:22,180 --> 01:16:24,740
is being used as
a means of burying it.
1228
01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:28,140
Murderers! Murderers! Murderers!
1229
01:16:28,140 --> 01:16:31,100
Tonight, the anger over Jean
Charles's killing
1230
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:33,140
spilled out to the streets.
1231
01:16:33,140 --> 01:16:36,260
Several hundred people marching on
Scotland Yard,
1232
01:16:36,260 --> 01:16:40,660
surprising the police who had
to hastily draft in backup.
1233
01:16:40,660 --> 01:16:43,020
REPORTER: Now, the Independent
Police Complaints Commission says
1234
01:16:43,020 --> 01:16:44,620
that some of
the police officers involved
1235
01:16:44,620 --> 01:16:47,180
in the shooting could face
criminal charges.
1236
01:16:47,180 --> 01:16:50,060
It's likely that the report when
finished will be sent to
1237
01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:52,620
the Crown Prosecution Service
for them to consider.
1238
01:16:52,620 --> 01:16:54,740
Don't shoot to kill!
1239
01:16:54,740 --> 01:16:58,980
Don't shoot to kill!
Don't shoot to kill!
1240
01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:09,140
I understood the gravity of
the situation myself
1241
01:17:09,140 --> 01:17:11,340
and the other officers faced.
1242
01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:17,740
There was a possibility
that we could have been arrested.
1243
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:30,140
Well, the worst case scenario,
is being charged.
1244
01:17:30,140 --> 01:17:34,100
If you're charged with
an offence, your name,
1245
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:37,140
in some cases, your address,
date of birth details,
1246
01:17:37,140 --> 01:17:40,020
you're public property.
Your life is over.
1247
01:17:41,540 --> 01:17:43,980
And on top of all that,
1248
01:17:43,980 --> 01:17:47,140
you are awaiting, potential,
a finding of guilt.
1249
01:17:48,980 --> 01:17:51,180
And for something of
this magnitude...
1250
01:17:54,340 --> 01:17:57,220
..you're probably looking
at going inside.
1251
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:08,340
So the ramifications are probably
too horrific to even contemplate.
1252
01:18:13,580 --> 01:18:16,220
The young cousins
of Jean de Menezes wanted
1253
01:18:16,220 --> 01:18:19,100
to express their anger to the press
before flying back to Brazil
1254
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:21,460
with the corpse of
the 27-year-old electrician.
1255
01:18:21,460 --> 01:18:25,380
SHE SPEAKS PORTUGUESE
1256
01:18:25,380 --> 01:18:27,740
INTERPRETER: What I'm waiting for
from the British government,
1257
01:18:27,740 --> 01:18:30,980
and what we urge
the British government to do is
1258
01:18:30,980 --> 01:18:33,780
to punish the officers involved,
1259
01:18:33,780 --> 01:18:36,780
because this was a grave criminal
error that was committed
1260
01:18:36,780 --> 01:18:38,580
against an innocent man.
1261
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:41,340
And I hope that they will employ
all force to punish
1262
01:18:41,340 --> 01:18:42,940
the people responsible.
1263
01:18:42,940 --> 01:18:45,820
Vivian wanted to make clear
1264
01:18:45,820 --> 01:18:47,420
their loss is immense,
1265
01:18:47,420 --> 01:18:49,900
and they want to know
what's happened to the person.
1266
01:18:49,900 --> 01:18:53,300
They want to see pictures of
the person who shot their cousin.
1267
01:18:53,300 --> 01:18:56,180
They want punishment to be served.
1268
01:18:56,180 --> 01:18:58,620
He should be incarcerated where
he belongs.
1269
01:19:28,220 --> 01:19:31,580
The operation to try to locate
1270
01:19:31,580 --> 01:19:34,180
the failed suicide bombers was
1271
01:19:34,180 --> 01:19:37,820
an incredibly intensive period
of work.
1272
01:19:37,820 --> 01:19:39,300
GUNSHOTS
1273
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:40,660
INDISTINCT
1274
01:19:41,900 --> 01:19:44,860
It's not exactly clear what it is,
1275
01:19:44,860 --> 01:19:47,380
but we've now heard four shots
coming from
1276
01:19:47,380 --> 01:19:49,340
the direction of the flats
over there.
1277
01:19:49,340 --> 01:19:51,660
The police are moving everybody out
in a hurry,
1278
01:19:51,660 --> 01:19:53,100
and they don't want people here.
1279
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:54,860
They're worried about people being
1280
01:19:54,860 --> 01:19:58,580
in the line of sight of whatever's
happening just a round the corner.
1281
01:19:58,580 --> 01:20:01,540
Keep going, please!
Keep moving back.
1282
01:20:01,540 --> 01:20:06,900
A witness was able to provide
an identity for the man
1283
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:10,580
at the Oval, and was able
to name him as Ramzi Mohammed.
1284
01:20:18,620 --> 01:20:22,420
It came as a very pleasant surprise
1285
01:20:22,420 --> 01:20:25,980
to find that Muktar Said Ibrahim was
also there with him -
1286
01:20:25,980 --> 01:20:27,500
the man in the bus.
1287
01:20:33,060 --> 01:20:36,820
The investigation is progressing
at some pace now.
1288
01:20:38,580 --> 01:20:42,060
REPORTER: Earlier this morning army
bomb disposal experts rushed
1289
01:20:42,060 --> 01:20:45,620
to a flat in Birmingham after
a breakthrough in the enquiry.
1290
01:20:45,620 --> 01:20:47,060
JOURNALIST: In the early hours,
1291
01:20:47,060 --> 01:20:49,420
armed officers broke down the door
of a house here.
1292
01:20:49,420 --> 01:20:51,260
Inside they found a man with
a rucksack.
1293
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:55,500
Within eight days, start to finish,
1294
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:59,420
managed to arrest all of
the suspects.
1295
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:02,100
REPORTER: It's emerged that
1296
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:04,820
Italian police have arrested Hussain
Osman in Rome.
1297
01:21:04,820 --> 01:21:06,500
He's wanted in connection with
1298
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:08,860
the tube attack at Shepherd's Bush.
1299
01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:14,620
Hussain Osman's detention completes
1300
01:21:14,620 --> 01:21:16,020
the picture of what happened
1301
01:21:16,020 --> 01:21:18,020
to the four men suspected of trying
1302
01:21:18,020 --> 01:21:22,260
to commit mass murder in London
on July the 21st.
1303
01:21:25,180 --> 01:21:29,620
When the suspects
for the failed bombing
1304
01:21:29,620 --> 01:21:33,380
on the 21st were all detained,
immense relief.
1305
01:21:34,660 --> 01:21:35,940
Immense.
1306
01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:40,860
But that was a hard time.
1307
01:21:42,140 --> 01:21:44,020
Just gearing up for the
investigations
1308
01:21:44,020 --> 01:21:45,300
that were going to follow.
1309
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:48,700
And I decide to keep a journal.
1310
01:21:51,460 --> 01:21:53,100
Tuesday.
1311
01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:55,380
My daughter is constantly waking
during the nights
1312
01:21:55,380 --> 01:21:56,620
and calling out for me.
1313
01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:01,580
When I wake up, I find it very hard
to get back to sleep,
1314
01:22:01,580 --> 01:22:03,900
and sometimes I find myself
rehearsing questions
1315
01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:05,820
and answers that I might be asked
1316
01:22:05,820 --> 01:22:09,380
in either the interviews
or future court appearances.
1317
01:22:12,540 --> 01:22:14,340
There's not been
a single day passed
1318
01:22:14,340 --> 01:22:15,980
without me not
thinking about that day
1319
01:22:15,980 --> 01:22:18,620
and the events that have unfolded
around us.
1320
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:25,180
I would have the most
incredible headaches,
1321
01:22:25,180 --> 01:22:27,540
I think stress-related, obviously.
1322
01:22:27,540 --> 01:22:31,260
Did it affect your relationship?
I think it did.
1323
01:22:31,260 --> 01:22:33,460
I think it did affect
my relationship.
1324
01:22:34,420 --> 01:22:38,100
Um... It must have done.
1325
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:42,740
I'd be naive to think
that it hadn't, in some way.
1326
01:22:43,940 --> 01:22:46,260
It's just like a weeping sore,
1327
01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:49,020
the constant speculation,
1328
01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:51,140
the constant worry.
1329
01:22:51,140 --> 01:22:55,380
But I'm looking at it
as if I'm a victim in this...
1330
01:22:56,940 --> 01:23:01,580
..so I draw myself back
to the family of the person we shot,
1331
01:23:01,580 --> 01:23:04,860
because they're the victim,
1332
01:23:04,860 --> 01:23:07,060
or the proper victims of it,
and I'm...
1333
01:23:09,460 --> 01:23:11,180
..I'm suffering, in a way...
1334
01:23:12,340 --> 01:23:16,660
..but in no way would I count
my suffering as their suffering.
1335
01:23:20,060 --> 01:23:22,420
REPORTER: The family of Jean Charles
de Menezes,
1336
01:23:22,420 --> 01:23:26,060
making the same journey their son
made on July the 22nd.
1337
01:23:26,060 --> 01:23:28,020
But now there is a memorial
at the entrance
1338
01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:30,620
to Stockwell station,
where Jean Charles was shot
1339
01:23:30,620 --> 01:23:33,260
moments after arriving here.
1340
01:23:33,260 --> 01:23:36,060
The grief for his parents and
brother too much.
1341
01:23:36,060 --> 01:23:38,420
A desperate cry
for Maria de Menezes,
1342
01:23:38,420 --> 01:23:41,300
"Look what they have done
to my son!" she wailed.
1343
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:43,860
INAUDIBLE
1344
01:23:46,900 --> 01:23:49,260
So, a long way from their small
village in Brazil,
1345
01:23:49,260 --> 01:23:50,700
the Menezes family stood on
1346
01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:53,380
the platform where Jean Charles had
got on the train,
1347
01:23:53,380 --> 01:23:56,660
where officers had then fired
seven bullets into his head,
1348
01:23:56,660 --> 01:23:58,860
mistaking him for a suicide bomber.
1349
01:24:01,140 --> 01:24:02,820
But the Menezes family say
1350
01:24:02,820 --> 01:24:06,260
they won't rest until those
responsible for the shooting are
1351
01:24:06,260 --> 01:24:07,900
brought to justice.
1352
01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:24,460
A key date for us was
1353
01:24:24,460 --> 01:24:26,820
the Crown Prosecution Service
giving their judgment
1354
01:24:26,820 --> 01:24:29,660
whether we were to face charges
or not.
1355
01:24:29,660 --> 01:24:34,060
It was decided that we would do it
away from any police buildings
1356
01:24:34,060 --> 01:24:37,420
because of potential doorstepping
by the media.
1357
01:24:37,420 --> 01:24:40,740
So we went to a location
in central London,
1358
01:24:40,740 --> 01:24:43,500
and we just waited for
the CPS decision.
1359
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:51,660
Good afternoon. A year ago,
an innocent 27-year-old Brazilian,
1360
01:24:51,660 --> 01:24:55,060
Jean Charles de Menezes, was shot
dead by police who thought he was
1361
01:24:55,060 --> 01:24:56,380
a suicide bomber.
1362
01:24:56,380 --> 01:24:58,740
But today prosecutors have announced
1363
01:24:58,740 --> 01:25:03,140
that no individual firearms officers
will be charged over his death.
1364
01:25:03,140 --> 01:25:06,540
That was a huge, huge
relief. Like, unbelievable.
1365
01:25:07,780 --> 01:25:08,900
REPORTER: The CPS said
1366
01:25:08,900 --> 01:25:11,260
the two firearms officers couldn't
be charged
1367
01:25:11,260 --> 01:25:14,580
because they genuinely believed
he was a suicide bomber.
1368
01:25:14,580 --> 01:25:16,340
They acted in good faith.
1369
01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:22,060
I wanted to be examined,
I wanted to be investigated,
1370
01:25:22,060 --> 01:25:24,300
because I acted honestly.
1371
01:25:27,220 --> 01:25:29,140
You don't take people's lives...
1372
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:33,180
..on a whim.
1373
01:25:35,540 --> 01:25:38,980
Charges will, though, be brought
under the Health and Safety Act
1374
01:25:38,980 --> 01:25:41,380
against the Metropolitan Police
as a whole
1375
01:25:41,380 --> 01:25:44,980
for failing to take all reasonably
practical steps
1376
01:25:44,980 --> 01:25:47,260
to protect Jean Charles de Menezes.
1377
01:26:02,740 --> 01:26:05,940
REPORTER: Leaving court today
the commander in charge that day,
1378
01:26:05,940 --> 01:26:07,140
Cressida Dick.
1379
01:26:07,140 --> 01:26:09,940
The jury asked she should not be
personally blamed
1380
01:26:09,940 --> 01:26:11,060
for what happened.
1381
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:14,980
The Met Police are guilty,
but its officers walked free.
1382
01:26:14,980 --> 01:26:18,820
REPORTER: Yet Commissioner Blair
dismissed calls for his resignation.
1383
01:26:18,820 --> 01:26:20,740
I am not going to consider
my position
1384
01:26:20,740 --> 01:26:23,100
about the events, as the judge
described,
1385
01:26:23,100 --> 01:26:25,460
of a single day
in extraordinary circumstances.
1386
01:26:27,180 --> 01:26:32,380
I still speak to people today that
think that Jean Charles was shot
1387
01:26:32,380 --> 01:26:35,540
because he was acting suspiciously.
1388
01:26:36,820 --> 01:26:39,020
That he brought it
on himself, essentially.
1389
01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:43,660
The truth is Jean Charles was
just another...
1390
01:26:44,780 --> 01:26:46,980
..Londoner going about
their business.
1391
01:27:12,060 --> 01:27:15,020
REPORTER: These grainy pictures show
the moments leading up
1392
01:27:15,020 --> 01:27:18,220
to an innocent being killed
by police.
1393
01:27:18,220 --> 01:27:20,900
The blue mark is
Jean Charles de Menezes.
1394
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:22,260
He was 27,
1395
01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:25,300
an electrician catching the tube
to work.
1396
01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:29,100
But he was wrongly being pursued
by undercover officers.
1397
01:27:29,100 --> 01:27:31,940
Minutes later, he was dead.
1398
01:27:31,940 --> 01:27:36,420
No single officer's ever been
prosecuted over Jean Charles' death.
1399
01:27:38,460 --> 01:27:42,820
I felt that it was unfair
for people to focus
1400
01:27:42,820 --> 01:27:45,620
on the guy that shot Jean Charles.
1401
01:27:45,620 --> 01:27:49,020
He was just doing his job.
He was just doing his job,
1402
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:50,660
as any of us do our job.
1403
01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:54,260
And he has to live with that
for the rest of his life.
1404
01:28:00,620 --> 01:28:01,700
Do you ever think about
1405
01:28:01,700 --> 01:28:03,900
what you would say to the family,
if you met them?
1406
01:28:11,740 --> 01:28:13,060
I don't think...
1407
01:28:16,900 --> 01:28:18,700
..I would like to meet them.
1408
01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:26,340
At the moment,
the person who I shot...
1409
01:28:27,620 --> 01:28:29,340
..I can't really remember.
1410
01:28:31,420 --> 01:28:34,140
I don't remember
any facial features.
1411
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:38,300
So, in a way...
1412
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:41,300
..it's...
1413
01:28:43,420 --> 01:28:46,540
..lessened a potential impact
it's had on me.
1414
01:28:47,900 --> 01:28:51,180
And I don't think I would like...
1415
01:28:52,260 --> 01:28:54,460
..to open any closets...
1416
01:28:55,700 --> 01:29:00,180
..which would make my life
1417
01:29:00,180 --> 01:29:01,340
a bit unbearable.
1418
01:29:02,780 --> 01:29:06,300
And I know that sounds really,
really selfish.
1419
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:07,820
But that's how I feel.
1420
01:29:12,700 --> 01:29:16,940
I've been brutally honest about
why we did what we did.
1421
01:29:17,860 --> 01:29:22,740
I just hope they are words enough
1422
01:29:22,740 --> 01:29:24,940
to explain our actions
for that day.
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