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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 0 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,120 Lenovo’s Legion 5 and ASUS’s TUF A15 are both great mid-range gaming laptops this year, 1 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,720 but which should you get? I think the answer is going to surprise you! 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,660 The build quality of both laptops is quite good, 3 00:00:12,660 --> 00:00:17,820 they’ve both got metal lids and plastic interiors which feel nice. There’s only 4 00:00:17,820 --> 00:00:23,100 minor flex to the keyboards and the lid, nothing to complain about for mid-range gaming laptops. 5 00:00:23,100 --> 00:00:28,800 The TUF A15 is a little smaller in both width and depth, and the TUF is thinner 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:34,320 too. It’s hard to fairly compare because Lenovo only lists the thinnest point at the front, 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,500 and although the thinnest point of the TUF is a little thicker, 8 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:41,040 side by side the back of the Legion is thicker than the TUF. 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:46,080 Not only was the Legion 5 bigger, but I found it noticeably heavier too. The 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,480 Legion is also available with an even larger 300 watt power brick in some regions too, 11 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:53,940 which would increase its total weight further. 12 00:00:53,940 --> 00:00:59,940 On the left the Legion just has two USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C ports. The TUF also has 13 00:00:59,940 --> 00:01:04,800 two USB 3.2 Type-C ports here, but they’re slower Gen 1. The TUF 14 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,900 otherwise also has its power input, gigabit ethernet, HDMI 2.0b output, 15 00:01:09,900 --> 00:01:16,080 a USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A port and 3.5mm audio combo jack right down the front. 16 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:22,560 They’ve both got a USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A port on the right, and that’s all the TUF has on this 17 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:28,080 side. The Legion has its 3.5mm audio combo jack on this side, as well as a switch to 18 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,880 physically disconnect the camera to ensure privacy, a feature the TUF does not have. 19 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,680 The TUF doesn’t have any ports on the back, while the Legion has its gigabit ethernet port, 20 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:46,560 a third USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C port, HDMI 2.1, 2 USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A ports, and its power input. 21 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,180 Personally, I prefer the port layout on the Legion, because it keeps those larger and 22 00:01:51,180 --> 00:01:55,500 bulky cables like the power and ethernet running out the back and out of the way. 23 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:58,860 The ports on the Legion are also just objectively better too. 24 00:01:58,860 --> 00:02:01,440 The TUF has two USB Type-A ports, 25 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:06,780 while the Legion has three. The TUF also has two USB Type-C ports while the Legion has 3, 26 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:13,800 and not only that but the Legion’s are faster USB 3.2 Gen 2 while the TUF uses slower Gen 1. 27 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,180 Now only that, but the TUF does not have Type-C charging, while the Type-C port on 28 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:23,580 the back of the Legion can be used to charge the laptop with up to 130 watts. Only one of 29 00:02:23,580 --> 00:02:27,780 the Type-C ports on the TUF can be used to connect an external screen with DisplayPort, 30 00:02:27,780 --> 00:02:31,140 while all three of the Type-C ports on the Legion support that. 31 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:38,640 The Legion also has HDMI 2.1, so you can connect a 4K 120Hz 8-bit screen with G-Sync, while the 32 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:44,760 TUF on the other hand maxes out at 4K 60Hz 8-bit with G-Sync, due to it being 2.0b. 33 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,540 I preferred the keyboard on the Legion, it’s probably personal preference, 34 00:02:48,540 --> 00:02:52,020 but the keys just felt clicker and nicer to press to me. 35 00:02:57,780 --> 00:03:02,820 The Legion also has larger arrow keys that are easier to press, while the TUF has clear 36 00:03:02,820 --> 00:03:08,580 WASD keys, making it more obvious that it’s a gaming laptop. The lid of the TUF also 37 00:03:08,580 --> 00:03:13,140 just makes it look a bit more like a gaming laptop, while the Legion looks a bit cleaner. 38 00:03:13,140 --> 00:03:16,380 Both keyboards have one zone of RGB backlighting, 39 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:19,380 and although the key brightness was a little higher with the TUF, 40 00:03:19,380 --> 00:03:24,480 the TUF’s lighting looked a bit more patchier compared to the consistently lit Legion keys. 41 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,380 The touchpads on both were good. I preferred the clicker feel with the 42 00:03:28,380 --> 00:03:32,520 Legion more, but the TUF’s was about a centimeter wider and still worked well. 43 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,680 The Legion’s power button was more useful, as it lights up to show you 44 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,480 the current performance mode in use. The Legion’s screen also goes the full 180 45 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,380 degrees back for sharing, while the TUF tops out at around 130 degrees. 46 00:03:49,380 --> 00:03:54,300 Both laptops have speakers underneath towards the front on the left and right sides. 47 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:58,860 The Legion’s speakers sound clearer, but also more tinny. The TUF has more bass, 48 00:03:58,860 --> 00:04:01,260 and overall just sounds better to me. 49 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:05,760 The latencymon results weren’t particularly impressive from either of these laptops. 50 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,740 The ASUS TUF A15 comes with a 720p camera, and this is how it looks 51 00:04:10,740 --> 00:04:14,940 and sounds. The Legion 5 on the other hand has a higher quality 1080p camera, 52 00:04:14,940 --> 00:04:20,280 but it is also available with a 720p option, so expect a bit worse with that one. 53 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:23,340 Both of my laptops have the same key specs with 54 00:04:23,340 --> 00:04:29,520 AMD’s Ryzen 7 6800H 8 core CPU and Nvidia RTX 3060 graphics. 55 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,200 Both laptops have their batteries towards the front, cooler at the back with two fans, 56 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:39,000 two memory slots, two M.2 slots for storage, and a removable Wi-Fi card, 57 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,580 it’s just hiding underneath the SSD in the TUF. 58 00:04:41,580 --> 00:04:44,880 Wi-Fi performance wasn’t that amazing from either laptop, 59 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,500 but the Legion 5 had a slight lead over the TUF A15 in my testing. You 60 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:53,460 could of course upgrade the Wi-Fi card to something better for like $20 though. 61 00:04:53,460 --> 00:04:59,520 Although both of my laptops came with 512 gig SSDs, the one in my Legion 5 supports 62 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:05,940 faster PCIe Gen 4, so it has much faster read and write speeds. This might vary by region though, 63 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:12,900 and as both laptops have the 6800H CPU you can use faster PCIe Gen 4 drives in either laptop. 64 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:19,080 It’s worth noting that the TUF A15 I bought only came with one 16 gig stick of DDR5 memory, 65 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:24,540 while the Legion 5 had two 8 gig sticks. This might give the Legion a benefit in some tests, 66 00:05:24,540 --> 00:05:29,160 but from my own testing one stick of DDR5 is still similar to dual channel. 67 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,960 Both laptops have control panel software that lets you set different performance modes. The 68 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:39,360 A15 gives us some control over the fans with the option to set the fans to full speed, while the 69 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,340 Legion 5 does not have any fan control out of the box, you need third party software for that. 70 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:49,740 As for thermals, generally the TUF A15 was running warmer. The A15’s idle temps were 71 00:05:49,740 --> 00:05:54,120 like 15 degrees Celsius warmer, though I don’t personally think this matters at all. 72 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:59,520 When under a combined CPU and GPU stress test to represent a worst case full load scenario, 73 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:05,640 the A15’s CPU was reaching thermal throttling at 95 degrees Celsius. Although the Legion’s CPU 74 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,080 wasn’t thermal throttling, the GPU was thermal throttling in its highest performance mode, 75 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,760 though the A15’s GPU was thermal throttling in performance and turbo modes too, 76 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,480 the highest manual mode with the fans maxed out was needed to avoid it. 77 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:24,120 Both the CPU and GPU were clocking higher with the A15, which may excuse the higher 78 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:30,180 CPU temperatures on the TUF. The A15 was able to run all 8 CPU cores at 4GHz in 79 00:06:30,180 --> 00:06:35,940 manual mode while the Legion 5 maxed out below 3.7GHz in the exact same workload. 80 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:41,460 This explains why the TUF A15 was generally running warmer, especially on the CPU. The 81 00:06:41,460 --> 00:06:46,740 Legion’s CPU was power limited to a little over 30 watts, while the A15 could surpass 82 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:52,980 45 watts. More power means more performance, but at the expense of more heat. The Legion was able 83 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:58,140 to reach higher GPU power limits, though as we saw the TUF was still clocking a little higher 84 00:06:58,140 --> 00:07:02,880 on the GPU. It was a small difference in any case, and could come down to silicon lottery, 85 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:08,040 or perhaps the faster and louder fans in the TUF allow the GPU to boost higher. 86 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,420 The Legion’s keyboard area was cooler to the touch with both laptops just sitting 87 00:07:12,420 --> 00:07:17,400 there idling. The TUF was also a bit warmer on the keyboard when under heavy load, but this 88 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,680 was mostly in the middle section, the WASD area was fine. Let's have a listen to the fan noise. 89 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:56,040 The Legion was quieter in most cases, especially when running under full load with a combined CPU 90 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:01,260 and GPU stress test, but don’t forget the TUF does give us some fan control to make changes. 91 00:08:01,260 --> 00:08:06,000 Red Dead Redemption 2 was tested with the game’s benchmark, and at 1080p the Legion 92 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,000 5 was just 1 FPS ahead, which honestly is a small difference and within the margin of error range. 93 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,260 It’s definitely not going to be a change that you’re actually going to notice when playing, 94 00:08:16,260 --> 00:08:22,680 in any case. Stepping up to the higher 1440p resolution and now the TUF A15 was a little ahead, 95 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,720 but again it’s a 1 FPS difference, so no major change either way, I doubt you’d be 96 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,160 able to tell which laptop you’re playing on in a blind test with performance so close. 97 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:37,740 Cyberpunk 2077 was about 1 FPS ahead on the Legion 5 at 1080p, 98 00:08:37,740 --> 00:08:44,280 however the Legion had a 13% higher 1% low, so less dips in performance. It’s possible that 99 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:49,800 this is a result of the TUF A15 only having one stick of memory, but from my own testing so far, 100 00:08:50,340 --> 00:08:57,180 this doesn’t really matter as much with DDR5 as it did with older DDR4. The 1% low gap closes 101 00:08:57,180 --> 00:09:02,340 in a bit at the higher 1440p resolution, though the A15 was still a little behind, 102 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:06,000 but the difference in average FPS is even closer together now. 103 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:11,340 The TUF A15 was also a little behind in 1% lows in Control at 1080p, 104 00:09:11,340 --> 00:09:15,180 though its average frame rates were slightly ahead of the Legion. The 1% 105 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:20,520 low difference again gets smaller at the higher 1440p resolution, and again the TUF 106 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,320 was about 1 FPS or so ahead of the Legion, so really not much of a difference at all. 107 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,500 Here are the 3DMark differences for those that find them useful. 108 00:09:28,500 --> 00:09:34,140 Outside of gaming, raw CPU performance was also quite close. Both laptops were basically 109 00:09:34,140 --> 00:09:39,120 scoring the same in single core performance in Cinebench, and the Legion was only a couple of 110 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:44,520 hundred points ahead of the TUF in multi core score. We’re talking about a 1.4% increase there, 111 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:49,020 so again like the games, only a minor difference that you’re not going to notice in practice. 112 00:09:49,020 --> 00:09:54,060 That said, things change when we unplug the charger and run the same test on battery 113 00:09:54,060 --> 00:09:58,920 power. The single core scores are still fairly close together, however the Legion’s multicore 114 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,800 performance suffers much more, dropping back over 5000 points. This results in the TUF performing 115 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,160 much better in multicore performance when you’re unplugged from the charger. 116 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,720 Not only does the TUF perform better when running on battery, it’s also able to last 117 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:17,940 longer when running on battery too. The TUF’s battery is 12.5% larger than the Legion’s, 118 00:10:17,940 --> 00:10:23,160 but it’s able to last 21% longer in the YouTube video playback test with both 119 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:28,620 screens at 200 nits. The Legion was lasting a bit longer when running an actual game though. 120 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:32,460 The Legion was also ahead when it came to content creation workloads, 121 00:10:32,460 --> 00:10:38,160 despite both laptops having the same CPU and GPU. Again some of this may be a result of 122 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,660 the two sticks of memory, but the Legion does also have a higher minimum GPU power limit, 123 00:10:42,660 --> 00:10:47,820 and as we saw in Cinebench earlier it has a slight edge in CPU performance too. Blender 124 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:52,680 was an exception, in this entirely GPU only workload the TUF had a small lead. 125 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:57,360 Although both laptops have a 15.6” screen, they’re both available with 126 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:04,140 1080p or 1440p options. Unfortunately I’ve got a 1080p TUF and a 1440p Legion, 127 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:07,920 so not directly comparable, but I’ll still share my screen results. 128 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:13,740 The 1440p panel in the Legion gets brighter at full brightness, but at 90% brightness 129 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:17,820 or below the TUF was brighter with a more consistent brightness curve. 130 00:11:17,820 --> 00:11:19,980 Color gamut was much better with the Legion, 131 00:11:19,980 --> 00:11:24,540 the 1080p 144Hz panel in my TUF just doesn’t seem that great. 132 00:11:24,540 --> 00:11:29,280 The screen response time was way better with the 1440p panel in the Legion too. 133 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:34,500 Again this isn’t a fair comparison, because the 1440p A15 screen is probably better 134 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:38,940 than the 1080p version, but it’s clear that the 1080p panel in the TUF isn’t 135 00:11:38,940 --> 00:11:43,020 great. The 1080p panel in last year’s Legion was better than the newer TUF, 136 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:49,140 so based on this I’d hope the 2022 Legion’s 1080p screen isn’t as bad as the TUF’s. 137 00:11:49,140 --> 00:11:53,520 The total system latency shows how long it takes between a mouse click and when 138 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,340 a gun shot fire appears on the screen in CS:GO, 139 00:11:56,340 --> 00:12:01,200 and the faster screen in the Legion would be the biggest reason that it was faster than the TUF. 140 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,760 Although both laptops have a MUX switch, only the Legion takes things to the next 141 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,340 level with advanced optimus, meaning you don’t have to reboot to swap between optimus on or 142 00:12:11,340 --> 00:12:16,320 off. The TUF would need a manual reboot to change. The Legion also has G-Sync, 143 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:23,340 at least with my 1440p panel. I believe the 1080p 165Hz Legion 5 screen also offers G-Sync, 144 00:12:23,340 --> 00:12:30,000 but the 144Hz and 60Hz options do not, and I don’t think any of the TUFs screens offer G-Sync, though 145 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,700 both laptops can do FreeSync with the integrated Radeon graphics as long as optimus is on. 146 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:39,660 The Legion gives us much more customization options through the BIOS, 147 00:12:39,660 --> 00:12:43,560 the TUF on the other hand only offers extremely basic options. 148 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:47,520 Alright so what about the price difference? This is difficult to fairly compare, 149 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,500 because both laptops often go on sale, 150 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:54,420 so refer to those links below the video for current prices and current deals. 151 00:12:54,420 --> 00:12:57,780 And speaking of deals, if either of these laptops do have a good 152 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:01,860 sale I’ll be sure to add them to my new website gaminglaptop.deals, 153 00:13:01,860 --> 00:13:06,360 so make sure you check out that website to save money on your next gaming laptop! 154 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:13,680 At the time of recording, the ASUS TUF A15 with lower tier RTX 3050 Ti graphics is on sale for 155 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:20,880 $700 USD at Bestbuy. Lenovo’s Legion 5 with the same RTX 3050 Ti graphics starts at $1100, 156 00:13:21,420 --> 00:13:29,700 but that’s with the 6 core 6600H instead of the 6800H. The 6800H version is an extra $70. The 157 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:36,960 3060 version of the Legion 5 that I’ve tested in this video is $1450 right now on Lenovo’s website, 158 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:43,560 which really isn’t great as I’ve seen the 5 Pro with 3070 Ti on sale for around that in 159 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:47,880 the past. Still though, this is cheaper compared to buying the same laptop from 160 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:53,400 other sites like Newegg, which have it for $100 more. The TUF is also available at 161 00:13:53,400 --> 00:14:00,240 Newegg with the same 6800H CPU and 3060 GPU for $100-200 less than the Legion. 162 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,560 Alright so generally speaking, the ASUS TUF A15 seems to be cheaper 163 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:07,440 compared to Lenovo’s Legion 5 wherever I look. 164 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,820 So then the question becomes, is it worth paying more money to get the Legion 5? 165 00:14:11,820 --> 00:14:16,920 Honestly, probably not. In more cases than not, the TUF A15 was the better laptop, 166 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,520 so the fact that you can get it for less money is just icing on the cake. 167 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:26,460 Things like performance in games were basically tied, and CPU performance in Cinebench was very 168 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:30,360 close too. The TUF does perform better when running on battery power though, 169 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,840 and the TUF also lasts longer when running off of the battery, 170 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:38,640 at least when not gaming. The Legion did seem to have an edge in content creation 171 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,540 tasks though. Granted as mentioned, that could be due to the memory difference. 172 00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:47,040 The TUF did run hotter, but this isn't something I'd personally be worried 173 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,000 about. The tradeoff is of course that it’s able to reach higher clock speeds, 174 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,740 though as we saw in the game tests, that doesn’t really seem to translate to extra 175 00:14:55,740 --> 00:15:00,480 performance. Although the insides of the TUF are hotter, the laptop isn’t hot to the touch, 176 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,860 but the fans can get louder which is something you'd be more likely to notice. 177 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:09,420 The TUF is a little smaller and more portable as it’s a fair bit lighter too, 178 00:15:09,420 --> 00:15:11,640 and its speakers sound better too. 179 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,320 The Legion does have some nice extras though, including more and better ports, 180 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,740 and in my opinion the better keyboard and touchpad. Build 181 00:15:19,740 --> 00:15:23,820 quality was fairly evenly matched, maybe a slight edge to the Legion. 182 00:15:23,820 --> 00:15:28,500 All things considered though, unless you really need the extra or faster ports of the Legion, 183 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:33,600 or if you’re lazy and you want advanced optimus so you don’t have to reboot to turn optimus on or 184 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,700 off, then you really can just save the money and get the cheaper TUF A15 in most cases. 185 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:45,060 Maybe not with the lower quality 1080p 144Hz screen that mine has though, as that was notably a 186 00:15:45,060 --> 00:15:50,160 step down compared to what my Legion had. I never thought I’d be recommending a TUF over a Legion, 187 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,380 but here we are. The A15 has definitely grown up since it first launched in 2020. 188 00:15:55,380 --> 00:15:59,640 If you need more information on either of these two laptops, then check out the full 189 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,860 review videos over here next, as I go into more depth in those. Both of these laptops 190 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:11,280 are also available with Intel 12th gen CPUs, it’s not just AMD only, so find out which CPU 191 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:16,260 you should get in your next laptop over here next before wasting your hard earned money! 23486

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