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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,680 So far, our story of the Low Countries has been about a tangle 2 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,280 of different cultures, 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,280 a hybrid world from which stemmed huge developments in religion, 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,120 politics, economics, but, above all, art. 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,480 From Bosch... 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,920 to Brueghel... 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,600 Van Eyck and into the golden age of Dutch art, 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,480 this small corner of Northern Europe 9 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:39,520 produced a rich crop of extraordinary images. 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,120 At the end of the 17th century, if Vermeer's great vision 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,240 appeared to herald a continued age of artistic brilliance, 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,680 it wouldn't turn out that way. 13 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,760 The next 200 years would see a barren time for art, 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,880 in which the Low Countries were perhaps too comfortable, 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,280 too contented to produce anything daring or new. 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,800 It was a time of decline in religious faith. 17 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:17,120 And in its place the rise of trade, industry, money. 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,200 It was almost as if art had gone into hibernation. 19 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,960 The Low Countries were awoken from their collective slumbers 20 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,080 at the onset of the 19th century. 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,400 First came the great trauma of the Napoleonic invasions, 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,360 followed by the still-greater trauma of the Industrial Revolution, 23 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,920 which changed the landscapes and the cityscapes of this region for ever. 24 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:45,200 Dutch art would be dominated by two towering figures, 25 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,520 each of whom, in his own way, attempted to fill the great voids 26 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,440 opened up by modern civilisation - 27 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,920 the dearth of beauty, as they saw it, the death of God - 28 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,200 by turning art itself into a new kind of religion. 29 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,360 Here in Belgium, this most uneasy of modern nation states, 30 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:09,320 a collectively questioning, fractured sense of identity 31 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,400 would be mirrored in an art of feverish dream and nightmare. 32 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,880 Early in the morning on Sunday, 23rd July, 1882, 33 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,600 a 29-year-old Dutchman climbed up 34 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,400 onto the roof of his house in a suburb of the Hague 35 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:05,720 while his alcoholic prostitute girlfriend and her small child slept downstairs. 36 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,520 On any other day, this young man would have had plenty to complain about. 37 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,960 His parents have just disowned him, 38 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,400 he has had two marriage proposals rejected, he has been sacked twice 39 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,360 and he has just come out of hospital yet again for gonorrhoea. 40 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,640 But on this day he feels happy. 41 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:28,080 He looks out across the rooftops, he completes a watercolour 42 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,720 and then he paints the scene again, 43 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,440 this time in the words of a letter to his brother, Theo Van Gogh. 44 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,240 "You must imagine me here," he writes. 45 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,240 "Over the red-tiled roofs comes a flock of white pigeons, 46 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,960 "flying between the black, smoking chimneys. 47 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,200 "Behind this, an infinity of delicate, gentle green. 48 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,920 "Miles and miles of flat meadow. 49 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:02,880 "And the grey sky is still and as peaceful as a Corot or Van Goyen. 50 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,000 "This is the subject of my watercolour. 51 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,560 "I hope you will like it." 52 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:17,080 "I have found my work," he writes, in another letter from around this time, 53 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,400 "something which I live for heart and soul. 54 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:26,120 "I have a certain faith in art, a certain trust that it is a powerful current that drives a person." 55 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,480 Now, coming from anyone else in his position - he had only been studying art for two years - 56 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:37,360 that might just have been pretentious guff, but what wonderful art he had been creating. 57 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:42,400 Paintings and drawings that really capture the lonely, 58 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,600 atmospheric feel of the flatlands at the edge of the city. 59 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Canals spearing towards the flat horizon. 60 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Skies full of fast-moving dark clouds. 61 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,560 Early work, maybe, but already it seems to hold out 62 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,520 the promise of another Rembrandt in the making. 63 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,960 Van Gogh's life story is the familiar tale. 64 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,440 The unstable genius who, in a fit of despair, cut off his ear. 65 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,840 The life of the passionate misfit has been filtered through 66 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:18,520 countless potboilers and biopics. 67 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,200 In Vincente Minnelli's 1950s version, 68 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,560 Kirk Douglas ratchets up the emotional volume 69 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,120 as a restless caged animal whose crippling depression 70 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,760 turns to frenzied ecstasy in the sunlit landscapes of the South of France. 71 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,360 In his most radiant pictures, you can see 72 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:50,720 Van Gogh's faith in nature as a religion unstaged, uncut. 73 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,400 And it's impossible to appreciate where this passion came from 74 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,720 without understanding his early years in Holland and Belgium. 75 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,440 Van Gogh hadn't set out to be an artist. 76 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,080 He started off in the priesthood, preaching to poor coal miners 77 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,240 in Belgium, but he failed spectacularly. 78 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,320 He had a stammer and, despite his devotion, 79 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,760 his Church superiors deemed him unfit for public speaking. 80 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,280 In Holland, he chose again to settle among the rural poor, 81 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:36,560 but this time not to preach to his subjects but to paint them. 82 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,640 It's a strange paradox that Vincent Van Gogh, 83 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,000 who painted some of the most radiant, light-filled paintings 84 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,400 in the whole history of art, should have begun... 85 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,720 This is his first major ambitious figure painting - 86 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:02,600 with a work that is so dark, so murky, so copper-coloured. 87 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,440 It's called The Potato Eaters 88 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,400 and what you first notice about it is this pervasive drabness. 89 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,560 Van Gogh himself actually liked the effect. 90 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:20,440 He said, "My subject is potato eaters and I want to paint them." 91 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:25,520 In the colours of a muddy potato, unpeeled, of course. 92 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:31,520 He said he wanted the picture to smell of potato steam and bacon. 93 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,080 I can also smell the thick, malty aroma 94 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:45,000 of this peasant brew the old lady is pouring. 95 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,160 It's a viscous form of chicory coffee, quite disgusting 96 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,480 but all that they could afford. 97 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,440 The picture was greatly criticised. 98 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:02,680 The hands were said to be too gnarled, the arms too long, 99 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,560 the faces too caricatured, the eyes too bulging, 100 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,120 the noses too much like potatoes. 101 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,160 But it was all intentional. 102 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,360 Van Gogh wanted us to feel that those hands reaching into 103 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:22,640 that plate of cubed potatoes had dug those potatoes up from the earth. 104 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,560 Those hands have been shaped, misshapen 105 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,160 by all that manual labour. 106 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,240 Although it's such a visually unappealing, unappetising, 107 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,960 literally copper-coloured murk of a picture, 108 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:47,800 Van Gogh did continue to regard it through his life as "one of the best things I have done". 109 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,800 And I do think it is an extremely significant picture 110 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,920 in the context of his whole career, because it establishes, 111 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,680 right from the outset, what he's all about as a painter. 112 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,520 What mattered to Van Gogh throughout his life 113 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,280 was not sophisticated technique. 114 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,400 He wanted to re-make in paint the intensity 115 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,000 and violence of his own feelings. 116 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,040 And to arouse those feelings in his audience. 117 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,360 Van Gogh's later French pictures might look very different 118 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,760 from his early work, but they, too, use a form 119 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:32,400 of self-conscious exaggeration, an ecstatic version of caricature. 120 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,520 It's an attempt to forge a kind of new religion for the common man, 121 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,840 for the potato eaters of this world. 122 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,320 Everyday experiences of field and flower 123 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,480 become visions of divine beauty. 124 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:56,560 And it would reach a climax in his most famous subject of all. 125 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,400 Van Gogh had left Holland simply 126 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,560 because it was too gloomy for an artist trying to find God, 127 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:09,240 trying to find some sense of transcendence in the natural world. 128 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,480 Too much rain, too much shadow, too much darkness. 129 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,520 That's why he went to the South of France. 130 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,240 In the South of France, he felt illuminated by the sun. 131 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,880 He said, "Suddenly, nature's colours sing to me." 132 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,920 He felt that he had never seen the colours of nature before. 133 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,120 He felt that he'd found what he was looking for 134 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:35,560 and I think the sunflower was so important to him because... 135 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:40,120 it was a plant that seemed to him to have somehow taken into itself, 136 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,560 kept, preserved, all that radiance, all that colour. 137 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:47,760 It was as if he was looking at the sun itself when he looked at these blooms 138 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,480 and he painted these pictures in a kind of storm of enthusiasm. 139 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,720 He wrote to Theo, his brother, 140 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,320 to say that, "I am painting with the energy of a Marseillais eating bouillabaisse." 141 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,280 Always the food metaphors. 142 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,680 And this is almost a picture that you could eat. 143 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:05,600 It's as if it's been painted 144 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,320 in that Provencal mayonnaise they call aioli, 145 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,600 that hot, peppery, garlic-infused mayonnaise. 146 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,280 Van Gogh also said that "the sunflower is mine, in a way". 147 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,080 Why was it his? 148 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,120 Well, I think he knew... 149 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,040 he knew that this life, his career was going to be a short one, 150 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,800 and, my goodness, how short it was. 151 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,160 His career was like a comet flashing across the sky. 152 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,240 He compressed into just five years of a career 153 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,000 what most other artists would spend perhaps 40 years creating 154 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,960 and I think that is what he's depicting when he depicts the sunflower. 155 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:50,520 He's depicting his sense of himself, this rapid rise. 156 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,160 This one seems anthropomorphised. 157 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,800 It could be an outraged eye staring into space. 158 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:03,840 And these others, these are cut flowers. We see them falling. 159 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,640 It is as if the whole of Van Gogh's life 160 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,480 is encapsulated in this one picture. 161 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,240 He's signed it "Vincent"... 162 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,040 in that wonderful mauve colour, 163 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:21,880 "Vincent" on the vase, as if to say, "This is me, this is who I was." 164 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,080 Van Gogh's message was always destined to fall on stony ground. 165 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,360 In the early years of the 20th century, 166 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Holland became a nation of ever more practical people. 167 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,880 They weren't looking for God. 168 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,400 They were looking for market opportunities. 169 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,360 In a fragile sea-level world, nature had always been something 170 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,600 to be conquered and tamed, rather than swooned over. 171 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,840 The Dutch were carving out their own space in the modern 172 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,720 global economy by pioneering what's now called agribusiness, 173 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,520 leading the way in the export of lucrative farm produce and flower bulbs. 174 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,000 Almost half the world's cut flowers are still sold 175 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,040 from their great flower auctions. 176 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,200 Everything that made Van Gogh despair 177 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,560 of his fellow countrymen is still true of Holland today. 178 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,640 But Van Gogh wouldn't be entirely without influence 179 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,560 in 20th-century Holland. 180 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:40,840 The seeds he had sown would bear fruit - at least, 181 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,240 in the rarefied arena of modern art. 182 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:49,000 In the summer of 1905, 16 years after his death, the Dutch paid 183 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,040 belated tribute to Van Gogh with a vast exhibition of his work. 184 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,520 Among the visitors was a little-known Dutch landscape artist 185 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,560 called Piet Mondriaan. 186 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:08,000 Until now, Mondriaan hadn't been thought a huge talent. 187 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,160 He had spent his early years creating 188 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,160 a group of intriguingly stylised... 189 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,720 symbolically charged... 190 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,920 moody, rather murky landscapes. 191 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,000 Now, if you want to understand the incendiary effect 192 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,880 that Van Gogh's art had on the young Piet Mondriaan, 193 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:37,280 there's no better place to start than here. This is his early work. 194 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:43,720 Low-toned, slightly melancholic, slightly mystical landscapes 195 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,040 painted 1905, 1906, 1907, but then, look! 196 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,800 HE IMITATES BURST OF FLAME 197 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,200 It's as if someone has lit a match and set fire to the world. 198 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,440 This is how Mondriaan sees reality 199 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,960 after he's seen Van Gogh's paintings. 200 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,720 Skies that seem to be alive 201 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:10,120 with some kind of strange electrical charge, 202 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,400 but what's interesting about Mondriaan 203 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,160 is that he is different from van Gogh. 204 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,600 He's fallen under the influence of the philosophical ideas 205 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,560 of a movement known as Theosophy. 206 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,360 He has come to believe that matter is the enemy of spirit, 207 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,240 so, for example, while van Gogh might have said, 208 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,320 "Oh, I want to paint sunflowers that feel like you could eat them, 209 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,360 "like a blob of mayonnaise," 210 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,080 that's not at all Mondriaan's ambition. 211 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,200 He would never have compared one of his paintings to food. 212 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,280 What he's looking at, what he's looking for, 213 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,120 is some kind of mysterious spiritual essence of reality 214 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,920 that he feels lies beyond the visible appearance. 215 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:59,640 So his visual adventure will take him to completely different worlds. 216 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,400 Like Van Gogh before him, 217 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,080 Mondriaan felt he had to get out of Holland. 218 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,920 In 1911 he set up studio 219 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,520 at the heart of the international art scene. 220 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,120 Paris. 221 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,520 In the early 20th century, the city was a magnet for artists 222 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,400 wanting to be part of the avant-garde. 223 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,640 Instability in Europe had fuelled a mood of creative rebellion, 224 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:38,760 with radical breakthroughs in all forms of artistic expression. 225 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:44,360 In this heated atmosphere, Picasso and Braque created Cubism 226 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,920 and Mondriaan fell completely under its spell. 227 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,640 From now on, Mondriaan would still paint nature, 228 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,440 but his individual tree starts to dissolve 229 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,600 into a Cubist kaleidoscope of muted forms. 230 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,160 To express the universal, abstract nature of "tree". 231 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,280 As he squares off his environment, 232 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,480 Mondriaan moves closer to grid-form abstraction, 233 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,560 but he's not there yet. 234 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,760 That style-defining revelation would come not from Paris, 235 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,120 but almost by accident, 236 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:31,360 from the weather-battered dunes of Holland's North Sea coast. 237 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:42,000 When the great breakthrough came, chance played a large part. 238 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Mondriaan was actually living in Paris, 239 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,440 to be at the centre of modern art. 240 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,560 He got word that his father was ill and he came to Holland 241 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,360 on what was supposed to be a short visit, but then the war broke out. 242 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:57,160 He couldn't leave the country, so what did he do? 243 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,920 He came here to Domburg beach. 244 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,920 He had almost no money, 245 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,440 just a stump of charcoal and a sketchbook. 246 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,200 But he spent day after day looking at the sea, 247 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,880 studying the sea, studying the sky, 248 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,320 studying the stumps of these piers. 249 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:23,960 And the result was the art that he considered the great change. 250 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,080 Mondriaan would sometimes sketch by moonlight, 251 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,520 or even with his eyes closed, 252 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,120 so determined was he to find the essence of his subject. 253 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,520 Mondriaan returned from the sea, 254 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,320 like a beachcomber, 255 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,240 with this. 256 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,720 It's an astonishingly abstracted, distilled, 257 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,160 reduced vision of the pewter disc of the North Sea 258 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:04,760 beneath the pewter disc of the grey Dutch sky. 259 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,640 I think we can sense Mondriaan's rapture 260 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,680 before the glitter and the dazzle of light on the ocean breakers. 261 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:18,280 We can feel the motions, the relentless motions, of the sea. 262 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:23,560 We can sense mists, fogs, coming in across the ocean. 263 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,240 It's an extraordinary image, 264 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,040 and it's one that takes us to the heart of the difference 265 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,080 between Mondriaan and Van Gogh. 266 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:38,320 They start from exactly the same position - 267 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,400 the Church is gone, it's no good to them any more, 268 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,400 but they're looking for some sense of the spiritual, 269 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:52,600 some mystery, some sense of deeper meaning. 270 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,040 And they're going to a new Church, 271 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,920 the cathedral of nature. 272 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:04,720 But whereas Van Gogh is essentially helpless before nature, 273 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,480 Mondriaan takes control. 274 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,600 It's the artist's job, in his opinion, 275 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,080 to see the structures, to see the patterns, 276 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,960 to see the deeper meaning of the world 277 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,440 behind the visible appearances of the world, 278 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,400 hence he distils, he purifies, 279 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,320 he reduces, he purges. 280 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,560 Now, he sees himself as the pioneer 281 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,560 of a new spiritualised vision, but... 282 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,560 ..how Dutch. 283 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,000 How very Dutch this art seems 284 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,640 with its insistent horizontals and verticals 285 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,920 echoing the Dutch landscape, but not only that. 286 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:59,280 Mondriaan was the son of Dutch Calvinists. 287 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:04,520 I look at this picture and I'm instantly transported back 300 years 288 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,040 to those very first images of the purged Protestant church 289 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,760 painted by Pieter Saenredam in the 1600s. 290 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,920 A white space. 291 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,920 Lines, lines, structure. 292 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,720 Nothing left in the church any more but a cross. 293 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,120 Mondriaan, all he sees in the end... 294 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,120 ..a cross. 295 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,760 But while Mondriaan was embedded in tradition, 296 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,200 it's also important to remember that he was enmeshed 297 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,440 in a very particular catastrophic moment of modern history. 298 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,000 This picture was painted in 1915, 299 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,720 shortly after the outbreak of the First World War, 300 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:57,040 and if you look at this painting, created in 1917, 301 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,000 I think you can sense the shadow of that war 302 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,920 hovering over Mondriaan's spirit. 303 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,800 Look at the way in which the cross forms 304 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,520 have become heavier, darker, more oppressive. 305 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,760 It's an image that, to me, 306 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,880 very much evokes the mass graves of the First World War. 307 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,080 Mondriaan might not have had a conventional belief in God, 308 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,360 but he did believe in art as a kind of divine force 309 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,680 capable of reordering chaos after the war. 310 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:58,600 He was sure that he could change the objective conditions of humanity, 311 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,560 if only he could commit to canvas 312 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,000 the perfect arrangement of block and line. 313 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,040 Mondriaan's stark grid compositions are his trademark. 314 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,520 The Dutch landscape distilled, purified, 315 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,880 into something that he felt improved upon nature. 316 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,000 It's impossible to overstate Mondriaan's extremism. 317 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,960 As far as he was concerned, 318 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,480 he had invented the ultimate language of art, 319 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,360 perfectly abstracted, 320 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,920 reduced to the perfect combination of colours and forms. 321 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,720 But for him that was just the beginning. 322 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,320 His pictures were blueprints for the world. 323 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,080 And if the world took up the message embedded in the pictures 324 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,560 then art itself would no longer be necessary. 325 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,040 We would have entered the final millennium 326 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,920 of absolute understanding and enlightenment. 327 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,280 Sensing that most of his fellow Dutch countrymen 328 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,800 were too level-headed to take to his dogmatic idealism, 329 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,080 Mondriaan sought out like-minded artists 330 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,280 and formed an extremist group. 331 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,200 He took up the role of theorist-in-chief 332 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,200 and in the summer of 1917 333 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,680 the group published a brazen manifesto of their faith 334 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,320 under the banner Die Stijl. 335 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,280 Their new world order would be one of pure abstraction, 336 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,880 a rigid aesthetic of angular austerity. 337 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,080 In 1924 one of the members, Gerrit Rietveld, 338 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,360 attempted to turn the group's hard-edged theory 339 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,200 into a family home. 340 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,240 So here we are, the famous Schroder House. 341 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,800 So this is the entrance. 342 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,400 'Rietveld's Schroder House is the dogma of Die Stijl made real. 343 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,280 'It's got more straight lines than a chessboard.' 344 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:31,360 Everything framed as if in a Mondriaan composition. 345 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,240 When you open the window in the maid's room 346 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,040 you get a double benefit. 347 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,960 Light from outside, and a kind of abstract composition 348 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,160 like Malevich's Black Square painting. 349 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,560 The house was designed nearly 90 years ago 350 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,600 for a very forward-thinking client - Truus Schroder. 351 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,400 She loved it, even while her children 352 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,280 refused to admit that they lived in the crazy house. 353 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,320 I love this. 354 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,560 Look, this is how you open the door that takes you to the upstairs. 355 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,840 It's like a constructivist sculpture that you can activate. 356 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,000 Here...we go. 357 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,720 Whoops. 358 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,640 (Up we come.) 359 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,880 The floor's a painting. 360 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,920 Or an arrangement of form in Mondriaan primary colours. 361 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,040 Primary colours plus black and white, 362 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,720 so red, yellow, blue, black, white. 363 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,040 Here's the famous Rietveld Chair. 364 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280 I'm not allowed to sit in it. 365 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,800 But I'm not sure that I mind. 366 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,080 I think, um... 367 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,600 HE CHUCKLES There is something about this house 368 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,840 that you feel you somehow need to evolve yourself as a human being, 369 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,200 you need to evolve into a higher form, 370 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,160 perhaps something a little bit more Cubistic, 371 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,720 something a bit more angular, you know? 372 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,240 When the day comes that human beings have evolved cubical buttocks 373 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,800 then we can all sit on chairs like these. 374 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,360 Ah! 375 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,240 So there is one concession 376 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,480 to the organically rounded shape of the human form. 377 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,200 The toilet. Bodily functions are allowed in the Rietveld House. 378 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,280 And what I love about the space is it's totally modernist, 379 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,000 it's totally original, it's stark, it's extraordinary, 380 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:52,240 there's a window that opens, if I can master the mechanism, 381 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,640 like a cantilever. 382 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,480 It goes straight out into space, 383 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,680 thrusting another pictorial, 384 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,760 Rietveldian rectangle into the world. 385 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:12,400 Although it's so modern, although it's so cubistic, futuristic, 386 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,040 Mondriaan-ist, it's also very Dutch 387 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,440 because the whole space has the feeling of a ship, 388 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,520 of the boat, where one thing folds out into another, 389 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,440 maximum use is made of space, and what is a boat to a Dutchman? 390 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,920 A boat is something you embark on an adventure in. 391 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,680 It's wonderful. 392 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,880 Today the great Die Stijl house has a slightly sad air, 393 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,640 marooned as modern Utrecht passes noisily by. 394 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,560 The movement broke up in the 1930s. 395 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,480 And sensing that his own ideas were too extreme 396 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,680 truly to enchant the pragmatic people of Holland, 397 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,920 Mondriaan took his dreams elsewhere. 398 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880 New York thrilled Mondrian. 399 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:27,120 He saw it as a miraculous city-sized realisation of all his ideals. 400 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,080 A whole living environment modelled on grid-form composition, 401 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,480 skyscraper and block, clean, sharp opposing verticals and horizontals. 402 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,160 But it was different from his paintings, too. 403 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,000 More mobile. More jazzy. 404 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,360 A city constantly on the move. 405 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,240 And this is the result of that bombardment of energy. 406 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,760 He was nearly 70 when he turned away from nature 407 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,600 towards Manhattan and its taxi-cab buzzing grid. 408 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,160 It was to be Mondrian's very last composition. 409 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,840 His funeral march. 410 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,400 But how full of life! 411 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,400 He called it Victory Boogie-woogie. 412 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,960 Mondriaan was the great exile. 413 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,080 But his spirit does live on throughout Holland, 414 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,040 sometimes in surprising places. 415 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,040 Dutch commerce in particular operates like a well-oiled 416 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,720 Mondriaan machine. 417 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,000 In Rotterdam's vast international port, 418 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,320 each colour-coded unit is wedged with perfect economy 419 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:56,160 into an ever-shifting chequerboard of transaction and exchange. 420 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,480 It is a Mondriaan but with the spirituality stripped out. 421 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,520 Container boogie-woogie. 422 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,680 But what of modern Holland's neighbour? 423 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:19,160 We mustn't forget Belgium, though it seems, over the years, many have. 424 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,280 Until nearly 200 years ago, 425 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,360 this region of north-west Europe wasn't even a country. 426 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,840 And the question has often been asked, what's the point of Belgium? 427 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,960 Well, there was one once. 428 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,920 The kingdom was created as a strategic buffer between France 429 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,960 and Germany and to keep Holland in its place. 430 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,480 But its inherent internal differences have made Belgium's 431 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,360 cultural identity almost impossible to define, if easy to mock. 432 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,120 The French poet Baudelaire started the ball rolling 433 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,400 with his caustic remark that Belgians 434 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,120 are the stupidest race on Earth 435 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,400 and the ball has rolled on ever since. 436 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,320 Now, the result of last week's competition 437 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,520 when we asked you to find a derogatory term for the Belgians. 438 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,080 Monty Python made them 439 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,280 and those who mocked them the subject of a Flying Circus satire. 440 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,320 Some very clever entries. A Mrs Hatred of Leicester said, 441 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,880 "Let's not call them anything, let's just ignore them." 442 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,680 APPLAUSE 443 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,720 And a Mr Singin of Huntingdon said he couldn't think of anything 444 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,760 more derogatory than "Belgians". 445 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,400 APPLAUSE 446 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,360 Belgium has long been the butt of jokes 447 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,400 and I think those jokes stem from frustration. 448 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,160 A desire to pin down this un-pin-down-able country. 449 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,680 This nation, if it truly is one, 450 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,680 was brought into being at the Conference of London in 1830 451 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,880 and it was a birth by Caesarean section, 452 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,880 carved into existence by the three superpowers of the day, 453 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,960 the Prussians, the French and the British. 454 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,280 But, if you look back at the history of this whole region, 455 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,000 it used to be a patchwork of fiercely independent mini states, 456 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,920 and that sense of local, 457 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,160 regional loyalty continues to pull the place apart. 458 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,520 The people of Antwerp famously hate the people of Brussels, 459 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,440 who detest the people of Bruges in turn. 460 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,640 It's not even a nation united by a common language - 461 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,760 they speak at least three, and counting. 462 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,560 If ever a people really didn't know who they are, it's the Belgians. 463 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,040 Ever since this nation was invented, 464 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,200 it has been crippled by its catastrophically complicated 465 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,200 political structure and the larger chasms of language. 466 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,960 400 years the dispute has gone on between the Flemish 467 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,920 and the Walloons about who should speak what language when and where. 468 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:09,800 Even now, Belgium excels at making everything as complex as possible. 469 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,280 The only bilingual bit is Brussels Central. 470 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,640 The Flemish region is monolingual in Dutch, 471 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,280 although there are administrative services for the French-speaking. 472 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,640 Wallonia is a pure French-speaking territory 473 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,120 except for where they speak German. 474 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,520 So it follows that the most famous Belgian painting 475 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,240 of the 20th century should be a joke 476 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:39,240 on the slipperiness of language. 477 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:41,720 "This is not a pipe," said Rene Magritte. 478 00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:45,080 Of course it's not, it's a painting of a pipe. 479 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,040 At least we can all agree on that. 480 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,360 This cultural knot explains why Belgians are 481 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,880 so drawn to the European project. 482 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,280 It's a way of ironing out the crumpled quilt of overlapping 483 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,880 internal divisions. 484 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,520 Opting instead for the appealing fantasy of a united Europe. 485 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,640 Belgians dream of being part of a greater whole. 486 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,200 They dream of not being Belgian. 487 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,320 Could this be why the most distinctively Belgian creation 488 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,960 of the 20th century should be a universal character 489 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,080 of no identical personality? 490 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,520 A fictional embodiment of the European dream. 491 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,040 Tintin. 492 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,640 The Adventures Of Tintin, what are they? 493 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,880 Well, I think they are the one good dream produced 494 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,400 by this nation of insomniac nightmare sufferers. 495 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,160 The curiously sexless young cub reporter in knickerbockers 496 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,680 accompanied by his faithful white dog Snowy 497 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,760 goes on many different assignments 498 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,880 but his real job is to make Belgium feel better about itself. 499 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,840 Never more so than in one of the first books, 500 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:04,880 Tintin In The Congo, which has been the site of perhaps 501 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,080 the dirtiest of all of Belgium's colonial exploits. 502 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,120 But you'd never know it from this book. 503 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,400 Tintin arrives, he is greeted by a sea of happy, smiling, 504 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,200 somewhat caricatured, black African faces. He makes everything better. 505 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,000 There is a nice touch at the beginning of the book 506 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,560 where he is accosted by agents working for 507 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,200 all the major newspapers of the world. 508 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,480 New York wants him, London wants him, Lisbon wants him. 509 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:42,400 He's the one Belgian that the whole world hangs on his every last word. 510 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,960 He's a one-man - one-teenager - United Nations. 511 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,360 An ambassador for the EU before the EU was invented. 512 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,320 He lands on the moon, he saves the world from a giant asteroid, 513 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,440 he plays a decisive, forceful, 514 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,960 virtuous role in politics of the Cold War. 515 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,600 He does everything that Belgians know they probably can't really do 516 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,480 or be. 517 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,240 There is a charming superficiality about the Tintin books, 518 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:22,360 mirrored in the ever-so-clean style of Herge himself. 519 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:28,000 A Belgian equivalent to the anonymous style of American Pop Art. 520 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,320 Roy Lichtenstein wasn't the only one to declare a allegiance 521 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,760 to Herge's work. 522 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,360 Andy Warhol, who once said he was bored of emotions and wanted 523 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,840 to live like a machine, was a huge admirer of the Tintin stories. 524 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,960 The two artists met in the '70s at the unveiling of Warhol's 525 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,760 portrait of Herge as a kind of frozen human comic strip. 526 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,000 A cryptic compliment. 527 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,360 Behind the heroic fantasies of Tintin lurks a deep-seated fear of 528 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,480 having to confront the bewildering reality of everyday Belgian life. 529 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,560 That job was left to the masters of subversion. 530 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:43,080 The most sustained assault on 20th-century Belgian middle-class 531 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,640 existence was masterminded in an anonymous-looking terrace 532 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,320 in an anonymous suburb of Brussels. 533 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,120 If the characteristic expressions of Dutch modern culture 534 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,400 are ecstasy before nature, spiritual affirmation 535 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,040 and the calm certainties of structure and order, 536 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:10,760 the Belgian riposte to all that is disillusionment and bad dreams. 537 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,000 And if there is one place that is the great cave of Belgian dreaming, 538 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,200 it's this one. 539 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,320 Welcome to the house of Rene Magritte. 540 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,880 Born in 1898, Magritte spent his whole adult life 541 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,200 issuing mind-wrenching riddles 542 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,880 from this perfectly bourgeois Brussels townhouse. 543 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,840 He didn't venture far to find subjects for his pictures. 544 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,840 They are filled with the stuff of the domestic interior. 545 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,720 But, as Magritte said, 546 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:59,360 he was determined to make the most familiar objects scream aloud. 547 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,560 Much like those Dutch seekers after higher truth, 548 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,640 Van Gogh and Mondriaan, 549 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:11,840 Magritte seems to place us on the threshold of another world. 550 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,160 Everywhere you look in Magritte's world, there is a sense of mystery 551 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,400 and with it, I think, 552 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,640 an after-echo of spiritual yearning for transformation, 553 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,880 for transubstantiation, even... HE PLAYS A NOTE 554 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,400 ..celestial harmony? 555 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,240 But, whereas Mondrian really did try to find 556 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,360 an alternative religion in the everyday world, 557 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,880 even as Magritte recognised 558 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,320 the desire for transcendence he made a mockery of it. 559 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:49,120 And, yes, in his parody visions of paradise, eternal life is possible. 560 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,240 But only if you employ a taxidermist. 561 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:05,320 The artist who had his Pomeranian dog stuffed stayed in character. 562 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,160 Magritte lived the part of the conventional Belgian 563 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,640 whose life he mocked. 564 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,000 He understood the deep uncertainty that his contemporaries felt 565 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,440 in the first half of the 20th century 566 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,880 and he embodied it in picture puzzle form. 567 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,640 In the gloomy chambers of the Magritte Museum 568 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:43,080 his pictures hang like spotlit provocations. 569 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,480 Common sense is trifled with, laws of gravity defied. 570 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,080 Everything seems the wrong way round. 571 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,240 Front and back. Day and night. 572 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:09,440 Magritte painted more than 20 versions of this image 573 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:17,800 which he called The Empire...or sometimes The Dominion Of Lights. 574 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,320 It clearly obsessed him, but why? What's it an image of? 575 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,960 I think it's an image of a moment, a mood an attitude. 576 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,240 It's the magic hour. It's that threshold moment. 577 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,560 It's that moment when the visible world 578 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,000 seems to tremble on the edge of invisibility. 579 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,600 Light is turning to darkness. 580 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,720 Mondriaan is obsessed with this moment. 581 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:52,040 Mondriaan painting and sketching in the dark at Domburg beach, 582 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:58,520 waiting for the world to disclose its inner truth, its pattern. 583 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,280 Magritte, when he puts us at the front of this image, 584 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,560 is putting us in this same frame of mind. 585 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,960 We sit here or stand here looking at this image 586 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,200 and we become someone waiting for the world to reveal itself, 587 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,680 waiting for the miraculous to unfold. 588 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:23,160 But Magritte keeps us waiting a very long time. 589 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,920 And that's the point. 590 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,280 Magritte's principal weapon is to deliver everything but the answer. 591 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,400 He gives us the paraphernalia of a religion - the apparitions, 592 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,800 the wonders - but without the explanation. 593 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,160 There's a very Flemish particularity about his style, 594 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,760 so sharp and so clear that you really do believe, 595 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,680 if only for a moment, that it's raining businessmen. 596 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,320 For all his self-conscious surrealism, 597 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,360 Magritte is the direct descendant of the old Flemish painters 598 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,880 of Christian miracle, 599 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,680 Jan van Eyck and Rogier van der Weyden. 600 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:16,000 But Magritte is a painter of sabotaged altarpieces. 601 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,320 His wine is not the blood of Christ, 602 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:24,440 instead the bottle that carries it turns into a phallic carrot. 603 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,800 But the centre of this bleak, 604 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:33,200 nihilist universe is the apple - emblem of the Fall. 605 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,440 In Magritte's hands it has become a trademark, 606 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,720 a brand stamped on all of humanity. 607 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:44,960 Redemption? Forget it, especially if you're Belgian. 608 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,520 While Magritte played games with the bourgeois Belgian mind, 609 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,640 there was another, less well-known, more vulnerable Belgian surrealist 610 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,240 who actually tried to grapple with it. 611 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,840 Paul Delvaux spent his life trying to open up cracks in the psyche 612 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,160 to see what might lie within. 613 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,240 Delvaux himself began life as a bourgeois 614 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:21,800 and ended it is a wild-haired bohemian. 615 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,320 His art was a journey, 616 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,920 leading from the safe subject matter of his youth, 617 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,520 the steam trains of Belgium's Industrial Revolution, 618 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,840 to the more troubling, sexually charged work of his maturity. 619 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,840 How did Delvaux get to the destination of his later art? 620 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,200 Filled as it is with curiously transfixing glassy-eyed nudes, 621 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,480 and ghastly reminders of death. 622 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,880 Well, he bought a ticket as a young man 623 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,000 to a peculiar kind of fairground attraction. 624 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,880 You have to imagine yourself back to 1932, 625 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,880 it's the summer fair in Brussels, the height of July, 626 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,320 and the star attraction is the Spitzner horror show. 627 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,160 Display of skeletons, anatomical models - 628 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:26,080 the young Paul Delvaux enters the booth through a pair of red curtains 629 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,880 and he remembers what he sees for the rest of his life, 630 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,320 with the force of a revelation. 631 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,960 Grisly displays of syphilitic disease, 632 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,160 models of human genitalia that have been deformed by illness. 633 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,200 As far as the Belgian authorities are concerned, 634 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,840 this is a kind of government health warning - a way of encouraging 635 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,400 Belgium's young men, particularly soldiers, 636 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,080 to steer clear of prostitutes. 637 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,840 But to Delvaux, 638 00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,320 this young man brought up by a cosseting mother, a rather prudish father, 639 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,360 the scene was like an eruption of sexuality and death 640 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,560 into his hitherto rather conservative world. 641 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:15,960 Almost overnight, the spectacle triggered a sudden unleashing 642 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:21,080 of latent desires and anxieties onto his canvases. 643 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:27,000 What's the deeper message behind the strangeness of Delvaux's art? 644 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,280 On one level, 645 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:35,000 he's proclaiming in paint what Freud had written in psychoanalysis. 646 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,440 Telling us that, no matter how normal we like to seem, we are 647 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,920 all of us constantly subject to subconscious dreams and fantasies. 648 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,800 Ruled by thoughts of sex and death. 649 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,600 That's why naked women stalk his otherwise bourgeois precincts. 650 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,320 They stand, or lie, for desire. 651 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,040 In some of his wartime work, 652 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,840 Delvaux's sense that we hide from what we don't want to know 653 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,760 becomes charged with even darker meanings. 654 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:16,360 If we don't control our drives, what might we do to the world? 655 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,640 In his sleeping Venus, apart from the central nude, 656 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,240 everyone seems to be looking at something 657 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,240 beyond the tight confines of the architecture. 658 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,440 Something terrible, 659 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,800 to judge by their staring eyes and agonised expressions. 660 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:43,520 The skeleton has the air of a messenger, bringing unwelcome news 661 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,280 to the lady in the feathered hat. 662 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,040 News of the goings-on at Belsen or Auschwitz? 663 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,600 After the war, and this outpouring of anguish and guilt, 664 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,360 did Delvaux have anything left? 665 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,080 Some say he was so traumatised that he spent the rest of his life 666 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:11,520 almost sleepwalking - retreating into a rather safe fantasy world, 667 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,280 as if he couldn't bear all that he'd uncovered. 668 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,400 In the early 1950s, Delvaux embarked on his largest cycle of paintings. 669 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,960 'It's in a private home in a gated enclave, 670 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,040 'within one of Brussels' exclusive neighbourhoods. 671 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,760 'Only a handful of people have ever seen it.' 672 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,040 Helena. Hi. I'm Andrew. 673 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,120 Nice to meet you. Come to see the Delvaux. Yeah! Come in. 674 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,160 Wow, it's straight in! 675 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,920 I had no idea it was going to be so big. 676 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,200 You really feel like you are in Paul Delvaux's world. 677 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,160 I like this world, but I think sometimes it can be strange and weird. 678 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,120 You feel like there's people watching you and observing you 679 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,840 and you don't know really what they are thinking about you. 680 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,800 So you like it but it sometimes makes you feel uncomfortable? Yes. 681 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:26,320 And also, like with the paintings, most of the time the curtains, 682 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,160 they have to be closed to preserve the paintings. 683 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,120 So it's not that easy to live in a house like this. 684 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,040 So when you do throw the curtains open to the light, 685 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,720 do you sometimes feel that the figures in the paintings, 686 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,560 like they've been asleep and now they've come back to life? 687 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,800 Exactly, they're quite happy to come back to life! 688 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,440 Do you know how long it took Delvaux to create this mise-en-scene? 689 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,720 It took him two years. 690 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:56,960 So at the beginning it was supposed to take six months 691 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,920 and then he realised that the work was much bigger. 692 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,920 Two years! 693 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,840 It's a cross between bourgeois Brussels and the classical past. 694 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,880 You don't really know if you are in Italy or in antique Greece. 695 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,240 I like the way they come from the commissioner of the painting 696 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,560 and his daughter, we come down these stairs, 697 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:30,360 we seem to go from the present day, the 1950s, into the classical past. 698 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:35,080 Then we're into the 19th century 699 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,160 and then we're back into the classical past 700 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,360 and suddenly all their clothes are falling off! 701 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,680 But there's not really an expression on the faces. 702 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,880 They are all quite beautiful women 703 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,520 but there's no expressions and that's what's weird 704 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,760 because we expect them maybe to smile or to be enjoying themselves. 705 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,760 It's nature and it's landscape, but there's no expression 706 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,880 so it feels like there's something weird happening 707 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,680 but you don't know what exactly. 708 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,600 I often feel with Delvaux, what he does is he takes the traditions 709 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:17,400 of the past and surrealises them, so you think you know where you are 710 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,040 but you start looking closely and you think, "No, it's not like that." 711 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,520 It's almost the classical past, but not really. 712 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,360 Almost the modern day - no, not quite. 713 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:32,080 Almost a mythological painting, but no, something's strange. 714 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,560 But you could never get beyond that mystery. 715 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,160 There's something about the dream. Something about the dream, yeah. 716 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:52,160 While Delvaux was holding the world at bay with those curiously numb, 717 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:57,600 stunned pictures, this already divided country was falling further into domestic chaos. 718 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:06,440 Since then, economic crisis has widened the chasm separating north from south. 719 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,480 Fortunes have all but reversed, with the once-prosperous south 720 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,160 suffering terribly in these post-industrial times. 721 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,840 Inequality is the rule in modern Belgium. 722 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:24,880 The top 20 per cent of the population earn almost four times as much as the bottom 20 per cent. 723 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,080 And many earn nothing at all. 724 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,880 This is Charleroi - once an industrial boomtown, 725 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:39,040 it now has one of the worst unemployment rates in Western Europe. 726 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:44,080 But against its backdrop of rusting steel and cracked concrete 727 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:49,400 flowers this raw, mesmerising form of surrealist dreaming. 728 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,720 For me, it's these yowling walls of graffiti that speak 729 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,280 most nakedly about the plight of 730 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,520 this fractured, disillusioned nation. 731 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:06,720 What are they images of? Hope? Despair? Defiance? 732 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,680 Their chaotic co-mingling certainly speaks of division. 733 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,920 While Belgium worries and looks within, 734 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,880 what of its more confident, more united neighbour? 735 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,560 Where do you go to find the art that's reflected the modern Dutch identity? 736 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:44,160 Well, the idea of art certainly appeals to the civilised Dutch. 737 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:49,520 For a while they paid their artists a social benefit to produce it. 738 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,320 'Most of it ended up here, 739 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,400 'in a state-owned lock-up in the outskirts of The Hague.' 740 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,960 Nice big lifts. What's the floor area? 741 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,040 It's almost three football pitches. 742 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:08,160 Automatic doors. Yes, sir. Three football pitches! Yeah. 743 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,440 HE LAUGHS 744 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,200 As you can see, here is one of the buildings. 745 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:18,000 'The social welfare scheme was set up in 1949. 746 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,200 '50,000 works of art are locked within its vaults, 747 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:27,680 'brought out on rare occasions to decorate the offices of government officials.' 748 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,320 We've got a lot of bequests, a lot of gifts. 749 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,240 So if a Dutch ambassador who's got an embassy, he's got a wall to fill, 750 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:38,520 he might come to you and say, "Can I have one of these paintings?" Yes, yes. 751 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,600 And if he is very nice, you might say yes? Yes. 752 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,120 We have to say yes. OK. 753 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,120 Oh, fantastic. 754 00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:57,120 It keeps coming. 755 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,960 We've got a lady in furs peeking out, still life, leather boots... 756 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,440 Naked black lady reclining on the American flag, why not. 757 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,000 'By the time the money ran out in the late 1980s, 758 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,800 'it had subsidised a quarter of all the artists in the Netherlands. 759 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:26,080 'Paying them up to three times the market value for their work to be expensively shelved.' 760 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,760 These are the works that are currently waiting. 761 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,760 They're waiting for someone. This is a little bit like the orphans' home. 762 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,120 They're waiting for someone to adopt them. Yes. 763 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,280 These poor little art children. 764 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:51,640 'This must be the largest Euro mountain of unwanted art in existence. 765 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,240 'What does it say about a modern society 766 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,040 'that it's willing to pay lip service to art 767 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,960 'and then manage to forget about it almost completely? 768 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,160 'What would poor old Van Gogh have made of it all?' 769 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,560 The quality is quite uneven. Yeah, yeah. It is. 770 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,840 We have 50,000 works now here, so 771 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,080 not everything... Is going to be a masterpiece! Yes, yes. 772 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,800 Cultures constantly change, 773 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,000 and it's my own personal view, but right now I feel the Dutch 774 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,560 are most at home with the practical arts of design and architecture. 775 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:41,680 And I suspect that's why their galleries are so much more impressive than their art. 776 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,400 This gallery is by Rotterdam's Rem Koolhaas, 777 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,080 and what a very "cool house" it is! 778 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,560 More than 2,000 years ago, Plato declared that the last thing 779 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:07,040 a republic needs is the destabilising figure of the artist. 780 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,480 Someone whose individual visions ran counter 781 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,440 to the communal efforts of the state. 782 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,400 I think that's true of Holland today. 783 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:21,640 What do the modern Dutch want? Above all, I think business as usual. 784 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,400 They want their banks, they want their container ports, 785 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:30,160 they want to grow and sell more flowers than anyone else in the world. 786 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,000 And I think it's that sense of profound, 787 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:40,720 collective enterprise that sets modern Holland apart from modern Belgium. 788 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,240 And I think it's also what defines the Dutch attitude to art. 789 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,760 They know they've got to have lots of it, 790 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,640 because after all it's the mark of a modern, civilised state, 791 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,360 but do they really want to look at it? 792 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,960 Do they really want to think about it too deeply? I don't think so. 793 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,880 72911

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