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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,714 --> 00:00:09,177 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:09,177 --> 00:00:14,724 ♪ It hurts to be told when you're not very old ♪ 3 00:00:14,724 --> 00:00:16,977 MARIANA: Americans and guns go hand in hand. 4 00:00:16,977 --> 00:00:19,104 ♪ An outlaw's son ♪ 5 00:00:19,104 --> 00:00:21,606 MARIANA: They're part of the country's founding mythology, 6 00:00:21,606 --> 00:00:25,110 and for some citizens, they go to the core of what it means 7 00:00:25,110 --> 00:00:27,028 to be an American. 8 00:00:27,028 --> 00:00:30,949 COWBOY: We're surrounded by a sea of wonderful products to buy. 9 00:00:31,324 --> 00:00:34,244 ♪ The son of a gun ♪ 10 00:00:34,244 --> 00:00:37,914 MARIANA: Today, the US has nearly 400 million firearms 11 00:00:37,914 --> 00:00:39,958 in circulation. 12 00:00:39,958 --> 00:00:44,296 It's the only country in the world with more guns than people. 13 00:00:44,296 --> 00:00:47,299 All of this is constitutionally protected 14 00:00:47,299 --> 00:00:50,010 and 100% legal. 15 00:00:50,635 --> 00:00:53,596 But a new kind of weapons technology is testing the 16 00:00:53,596 --> 00:00:56,057 limits of America's gun laws. 17 00:00:56,391 --> 00:00:58,727 They're called ghost guns. 18 00:00:58,727 --> 00:01:04,024 Unlicensed, untraceable, and easy to assemble at home. 19 00:01:04,733 --> 00:01:07,527 CODY: Almost everything you see here is just printed on a 3D printer. 20 00:01:07,527 --> 00:01:08,528 MARIANA: Do they ask you any questions? 21 00:01:12,449 --> 00:01:16,578 MARIANA: I want to know who's making them, who's buying them. 22 00:01:16,578 --> 00:01:17,954 Have you sold to criminals? 23 00:01:25,253 --> 00:01:27,255 MARIANA: And how these weapons are getting into the hands of 24 00:01:27,255 --> 00:01:30,508 America's most violent gangs. 25 00:01:30,508 --> 00:01:32,260 CODY: This is a world you will have to live in. 26 00:01:32,260 --> 00:01:33,845 There's no going back. 27 00:01:35,805 --> 00:01:38,058 (gunshots) 28 00:01:38,058 --> 00:01:43,063 (theme music plays) 29 00:01:51,446 --> 00:01:54,532 RYAN: We're searching for ammunition and firearms. 30 00:01:54,908 --> 00:01:56,868 No one inside of this house has any guns registered to 31 00:01:56,868 --> 00:02:00,205 them, but there's likely several guns inside of here. 32 00:02:00,205 --> 00:02:02,415 We don't necessarily anticipate any violence, 33 00:02:02,415 --> 00:02:06,002 but they are meth users and the dope game is unpredictable. 34 00:02:09,255 --> 00:02:11,383 MARIANA: Welcome to the frontlines of the fight 35 00:02:11,383 --> 00:02:14,052 against ghost guns. 36 00:02:14,302 --> 00:02:17,347 Detective Ryan Swetavage is a member of the Alameda County 37 00:02:17,347 --> 00:02:20,725 Sheriff's Office Gang Suppression Unit. 38 00:02:20,725 --> 00:02:23,645 Today, the team is executing a search warrant on the home of 39 00:02:23,645 --> 00:02:27,273 a convicted felon; a home they suspect is being used to 40 00:02:27,273 --> 00:02:29,651 manufacture ghost guns. 41 00:02:29,651 --> 00:02:30,860 RYAN: So when we pull up in front of the house, 42 00:02:30,860 --> 00:02:32,112 try to stay behind a vehicle, 43 00:02:32,112 --> 00:02:33,613 so you're a little bit more protected. 44 00:02:33,613 --> 00:02:35,240 MARIANA: Okay. In case there are shots fired? 45 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,075 RYAN: Correct. 46 00:02:47,752 --> 00:02:49,921 Okay. Here we go. 47 00:02:53,550 --> 00:02:58,638 ♪ ♪ 48 00:02:58,638 --> 00:03:00,473 (knocking) 49 00:03:00,473 --> 00:03:02,142 This is the Alameda County Sheriff's Office! 50 00:03:02,142 --> 00:03:05,228 Come to the front door with nothing in your hands! 51 00:03:09,941 --> 00:03:12,819 Come on down the stairs. 52 00:03:13,236 --> 00:03:15,655 MARIANA: Oh, somebody just came out. 53 00:03:17,198 --> 00:03:19,200 MAN: Oh, my God. 54 00:03:19,576 --> 00:03:21,870 MARIANA: Over the next couple hours, the team locates an 55 00:03:21,870 --> 00:03:24,831 impressive weapons cache. 56 00:03:27,792 --> 00:03:29,169 That was inside? 57 00:03:29,169 --> 00:03:30,962 RYAN: Yeah. MARIANA: That long one too? 58 00:03:30,962 --> 00:03:32,464 RYAN: Yeah. 59 00:03:34,048 --> 00:03:36,551 So, she's not supposed to have firearms, but this is actually 60 00:03:36,551 --> 00:03:38,011 from a company. 61 00:03:38,011 --> 00:03:39,679 And then they drilled some holes in it, milled it out, 62 00:03:39,679 --> 00:03:41,222 and then completed the gun. 63 00:03:41,222 --> 00:03:43,183 There's no serial number on that plate. 64 00:03:43,183 --> 00:03:44,601 MARIANA: So it's a ghost gun, as well? 65 00:03:44,601 --> 00:03:46,269 RYAN: Correct, yeah. 66 00:03:46,269 --> 00:03:48,229 MARIANA: This is a critical point. 67 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:50,773 Ghost guns are weapons without serial numbers, 68 00:03:50,773 --> 00:03:54,569 untraceable guns, which pose an enormous challenge 69 00:03:54,569 --> 00:03:57,238 for cops investigating gun violence. 70 00:03:57,238 --> 00:03:58,615 That's crazy. 71 00:03:58,615 --> 00:03:59,991 Did you think you were going to find so many guns? 72 00:03:59,991 --> 00:04:01,493 RYAN: I didn't think we're going to find this many. 73 00:04:01,493 --> 00:04:03,661 I mean, right here, just what we found so far, you know, 74 00:04:03,661 --> 00:04:06,414 about 30% of the guns here are ghosN guns. 75 00:04:07,165 --> 00:04:09,626 MARIANA: This is not an isolated incident. 76 00:04:09,626 --> 00:04:13,421 Illegal ghost gun recoveries are accelerating and there's 77 00:04:13,421 --> 00:04:15,632 a disturbing reason why. 78 00:04:15,632 --> 00:04:18,343 REPORTER (over TV): The 13-year-old was allegedly selling ghost guns. 79 00:04:18,343 --> 00:04:20,094 POLICE (over TV): You can manufacture your own gun. 80 00:04:20,094 --> 00:04:21,930 REPORTER (over TV): And build something that could kill people. 81 00:04:21,930 --> 00:04:24,224 MARIANA: Right now, there are more than 80 companies 82 00:04:24,224 --> 00:04:25,767 selling ghost guns. 83 00:04:25,767 --> 00:04:27,602 MAN: Straight to your door. 84 00:04:27,602 --> 00:04:29,687 MARIANA: Unlike traditional firearms, they can be 85 00:04:29,687 --> 00:04:32,857 purchased without any IDs or background checks. 86 00:04:33,817 --> 00:04:37,654 Buyers get what's called an 80% build kit. 87 00:04:37,654 --> 00:04:40,532 They simply drill a few holes and assemble. 88 00:04:40,532 --> 00:04:43,493 It's like Ikea for lethal weapons. 89 00:04:43,493 --> 00:04:46,538 WOMAN: This is how I've built mine, how will you build yours? 90 00:04:46,538 --> 00:04:48,957 RYAN: This is basically an AR-15 rifle that's been 91 00:04:48,957 --> 00:04:51,125 converted to fire handgun ammunition, 92 00:04:51,125 --> 00:04:52,627 nine-millimeter ammunition. 93 00:04:52,627 --> 00:04:55,088 In this case, we executed a search warrant on someone who 94 00:04:55,088 --> 00:04:57,465 was manufacturing these guns and likely selling them to 95 00:04:57,465 --> 00:04:58,883 gang members. 96 00:04:58,883 --> 00:05:01,177 MARIANA: But you found somebody making their own AR-15s 97 00:05:01,177 --> 00:05:03,888 to sell to gang members on the streets of the United States? 98 00:05:03,888 --> 00:05:05,390 RYAN: Correct, yeah. 99 00:05:05,390 --> 00:05:07,225 If he's going to put guns in the hands of gang members, 100 00:05:07,225 --> 00:05:09,269 he absolutely should not have that anything. 101 00:05:09,269 --> 00:05:11,771 MARIANA: And it's ghost gun technology like this that's 102 00:05:11,771 --> 00:05:13,314 making it possible. 103 00:05:13,314 --> 00:05:15,149 RYAN: This actual device is a mill. 104 00:05:15,149 --> 00:05:16,609 It's an electronic mill. 105 00:05:16,609 --> 00:05:18,736 So you plug that in to a laptop or any sort of computer 106 00:05:18,736 --> 00:05:21,489 and with a software that you can download, 107 00:05:21,489 --> 00:05:23,700 you can finish firearms. 108 00:05:23,700 --> 00:05:25,743 MARIANA: The operation they busted earlier tonight was 109 00:05:25,743 --> 00:05:29,038 using hand drills and dremels to make ghost guns. 110 00:05:29,038 --> 00:05:30,707 RYAN: These are just regular hand tools. 111 00:05:30,707 --> 00:05:33,167 MARIANA: Somewhat primitive compared to this machine, 112 00:05:33,167 --> 00:05:35,837 which allows someone to professionally mill 113 00:05:35,837 --> 00:05:37,589 metal gun parts at home. 114 00:05:37,589 --> 00:05:38,965 So do you mind if I look for, 115 00:05:38,965 --> 00:05:40,758 I'm trying to figure out what company makes this. 116 00:05:40,758 --> 00:05:44,304 RYAN: No. Go for it. 117 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:48,349 MARIANA: Oh, wow. 118 00:05:48,349 --> 00:05:53,354 A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a 119 00:05:53,354 --> 00:05:57,567 free state, to keep and bear arms. 120 00:05:57,567 --> 00:05:59,527 It's the Bill of Rights that's written here. 121 00:05:59,527 --> 00:06:00,862 Had you seen this? 122 00:06:00,862 --> 00:06:02,280 RYAN: No, I didn't see that. 123 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:03,907 MARIANA: A little more poking around reveals that the 124 00:06:03,907 --> 00:06:07,827 machine is manufactured by "Defense Distributed," 125 00:06:07,827 --> 00:06:12,749 a company based 1,500 miles away in Austin, Texas. 126 00:06:13,458 --> 00:06:16,085 CODY: It's like a tradition of ours to put in little Easter eggs. 127 00:06:16,085 --> 00:06:19,172 So we just managed to fit the entire Bill of Rights on this 128 00:06:19,172 --> 00:06:20,548 LED board here. 129 00:06:20,548 --> 00:06:21,549 MARIANA: Really, all of it is here? 130 00:06:21,549 --> 00:06:23,134 CODY: Uh-hmm. 131 00:06:23,134 --> 00:06:24,510 You would never know that, you know, but that's just a little 132 00:06:24,510 --> 00:06:28,056 gift of love from us to you. 133 00:06:35,939 --> 00:06:37,857 MARIANA: This looks like a Star Wars gun almost. Right? 134 00:06:37,857 --> 00:06:39,859 CODY: This is, careful where you point that, but this is 135 00:06:39,859 --> 00:06:41,069 J Stark's FGC. 136 00:06:41,069 --> 00:06:42,487 MARIANA: Oh, this is the, sorry. 137 00:06:42,487 --> 00:06:44,238 CODY: Here's your barrel. Yeah. This is J Stark's FGC-9. 138 00:06:44,238 --> 00:06:45,323 This is the Mark II. 139 00:06:45,323 --> 00:06:46,324 MARIANA: Oh. 140 00:06:49,327 --> 00:06:50,912 CODY: This is (bleep) Gun Control, nine millimeter. 141 00:06:50,912 --> 00:06:53,831 And almost everything you see here is actually just printed 142 00:06:53,831 --> 00:06:55,541 on a 3D printer. 143 00:06:55,541 --> 00:06:57,627 Anyone in the world should be able to make it if they have 144 00:06:57,627 --> 00:06:58,920 the right equipment. 145 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,464 MARIANA: A decade ago, 3D-printed guns like this 146 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:04,008 were the stuff of science fiction. 147 00:07:04,008 --> 00:07:06,052 CODY: When I see this gun, I see the fulfillment of the 148 00:07:06,052 --> 00:07:07,845 things that I was doing. 149 00:07:07,845 --> 00:07:09,222 MARIANA: So you're proud of it. 150 00:07:09,222 --> 00:07:11,015 CODY: I enjoy it. I love it. Yeah. 151 00:07:11,015 --> 00:07:13,810 It's, I look at it more like a child. 152 00:07:13,810 --> 00:07:16,312 MARIANA: The man I'm speaking with didn't invent this 153 00:07:16,312 --> 00:07:19,857 particular weapon, but he gave birth to the technology 154 00:07:19,857 --> 00:07:21,484 that made it possible. 155 00:07:21,484 --> 00:07:23,277 His name is... 156 00:07:23,277 --> 00:07:24,404 REPORTER (over TV): Cody Wilson. 157 00:07:24,404 --> 00:07:25,530 REPORTER 2 (over TV): Cody Wilson. 158 00:07:25,530 --> 00:07:27,907 REPORTER 3 (over TV): Cody Wilson. 159 00:07:27,907 --> 00:07:30,326 MARIANA: He's the director of Defense Distributed, 160 00:07:30,326 --> 00:07:33,246 one of the country's leading ghost gun manufacturers. 161 00:07:33,579 --> 00:07:36,124 CODY: If you can run a computer, you can run a ghost gun. 162 00:07:36,124 --> 00:07:38,710 MARIANA: Some say Cody is a gun rights activist. 163 00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:40,211 CODY: As long as you have the right to keep and bear arms, 164 00:07:40,211 --> 00:07:41,421 you have the right to make them. 165 00:07:41,421 --> 00:07:43,172 MARIANA: Others call him an anarchist. 166 00:07:43,172 --> 00:07:45,383 REPORTER (over TV): This is about weapons of war being made 167 00:07:45,383 --> 00:07:46,884 in people's living rooms. 168 00:07:46,884 --> 00:07:48,469 CODY: There would be nothing illegal about even felons or 169 00:07:48,469 --> 00:07:49,887 other people getting it. 170 00:07:49,887 --> 00:07:52,098 MARIANA: Wired magazine once labeled him one of 171 00:07:52,098 --> 00:07:55,351 "the 15 most dangerous people in the world." 172 00:07:55,351 --> 00:07:58,396 RICHARD: The new wave of American gun violence. 173 00:07:58,396 --> 00:08:01,232 MARIANA: That's because Cody Wilson was the first person to 174 00:08:01,232 --> 00:08:04,652 build a fully functional, 3D-printed firearm. 175 00:08:04,986 --> 00:08:06,279 CODY: I didn't know how to print a gun. 176 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:07,530 I didn't know how to use a 3D printer. 177 00:08:07,530 --> 00:08:08,614 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 178 00:08:08,614 --> 00:08:09,741 CODY: But I knew what I wanted to do. 179 00:08:09,741 --> 00:08:11,075 I wanted to make a Wiki Weapon. 180 00:08:11,075 --> 00:08:13,494 I wanted to, WikiLeaks for guns. 181 00:08:13,494 --> 00:08:15,621 MARIANA: Three-dimensional printers use raw materials 182 00:08:15,621 --> 00:08:20,501 like metal or plastic, depositing them layer after layer 183 00:08:20,501 --> 00:08:23,963 until they create a three-dimensional object. 184 00:08:23,963 --> 00:08:27,258 Today's 3D printers can make just about anything, 185 00:08:27,258 --> 00:08:31,345 from medical prosthetics and children's toys, to furniture 186 00:08:31,345 --> 00:08:34,098 and, of course, firearms. 187 00:08:34,348 --> 00:08:37,602 Cody called his very first creation "The Liberator." 188 00:08:37,602 --> 00:08:39,437 So this was one of the first, what? 189 00:08:39,437 --> 00:08:40,980 Five guns that you printed? 190 00:08:40,980 --> 00:08:42,482 CODY: I would say it's one of the first three Liberators. 191 00:08:42,482 --> 00:08:43,608 MARIANA: Oh, the first three. Wow. 192 00:08:43,608 --> 00:08:45,276 CODY: Ever printed... 193 00:08:45,276 --> 00:08:47,445 MARIANA: And did you, did you actually go out and shoot this one? 194 00:08:47,445 --> 00:08:48,154 CODY: Yeah. You can, in fact, you can still see the dust and the grime and the uh... 195 00:08:48,154 --> 00:08:49,739 MARIANA: You can. Yeah. 196 00:08:49,739 --> 00:08:51,449 CODY: The explosive pNwder burns. 197 00:08:51,449 --> 00:08:52,533 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 198 00:08:52,533 --> 00:08:54,035 CODY: And this thing has been fired. 199 00:08:54,035 --> 00:08:57,705 MARIANA: In fact, in May of 2013, Cody posted a video of 200 00:08:57,705 --> 00:09:00,875 himself successfully test-firing the Liberator, 201 00:09:02,251 --> 00:09:05,421 then uploaded the gun's design onto the web, 202 00:09:05,421 --> 00:09:08,800 making it accessible to anyone online, 203 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,969 including criminals and terrorists. 204 00:09:12,637 --> 00:09:16,349 It was downloaded nearly 100,000 times. 205 00:09:17,099 --> 00:09:18,351 Were you surprised? 206 00:09:18,351 --> 00:09:20,728 CODY: Yeah. I was like, "Wow. Okay." 207 00:09:20,728 --> 00:09:22,730 I'm, I'm thrown into this world just like you are now. 208 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:24,732 We live in a world of 3D guns. 209 00:09:24,732 --> 00:09:28,736 MARIANA: It's a world the U.S. Government wasn't happy about, 210 00:09:28,736 --> 00:09:32,615 so they accused Cody of illegally trafficking weapons overseas. 211 00:09:33,366 --> 00:09:34,992 CODY: The fun thing of the law is there's a line. 212 00:09:34,992 --> 00:09:37,161 Before that line, this is a piece of metal. 213 00:09:37,161 --> 00:09:39,330 It might have a funny shape, but it means nothing. 214 00:09:39,330 --> 00:09:41,499 After this line, the ATF says this is a firearm. 215 00:09:41,499 --> 00:09:43,376 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. What do you think of that line? 216 00:09:43,376 --> 00:09:45,336 CODY: If the ATF wants to redraw the line. 217 00:09:45,336 --> 00:09:46,337 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 218 00:09:46,337 --> 00:09:48,047 CODY: We'll redraw the line too. 219 00:09:48,047 --> 00:09:49,841 MARIANA: Cody sued the U.S. Government and 220 00:09:49,841 --> 00:09:51,968 they ultimately backed down. 221 00:09:51,968 --> 00:09:53,302 So your defense was, it's the right... 222 00:09:53,302 --> 00:09:55,346 CODY: Yeah. 223 00:09:55,346 --> 00:09:57,265 MARIANA: Of free speech to be able to put out this code that makes these guns. 224 00:09:57,265 --> 00:09:58,933 CODY: Uh-hmm. Yeah, exactly. 225 00:09:58,933 --> 00:10:01,853 It's a game. Why can't I play this game? 226 00:10:01,853 --> 00:10:03,938 MARIANA: Right now, the rules of the game say that 227 00:10:03,938 --> 00:10:06,649 any American company selling guns needs 228 00:10:06,649 --> 00:10:10,236 a Federal Firearms License or FFL. 229 00:10:10,236 --> 00:10:12,446 Ghost gun companies don't. 230 00:10:12,446 --> 00:10:15,575 Because they argue, they're not selling guns, 231 00:10:15,575 --> 00:10:17,493 they're selling parts. 232 00:10:17,493 --> 00:10:19,287 Online, I can buy all these parts from you? 233 00:10:19,287 --> 00:10:20,371 Everything? 234 00:10:20,371 --> 00:10:21,539 CODY: Everything you see. 235 00:10:21,539 --> 00:10:23,165 MARIANA: And then I can put it together? 236 00:10:23,165 --> 00:10:26,210 It all comes down to a surprisingly complicated question. 237 00:10:26,210 --> 00:10:29,046 What exactly is a gun? 238 00:10:30,882 --> 00:10:34,010 Every firearm is made up of multiple parts. 239 00:10:34,010 --> 00:10:37,722 Some parts are metal, others are plastic. 240 00:10:38,431 --> 00:10:40,308 But the U.S. Government doesn't regulate 241 00:10:40,308 --> 00:10:42,768 pieces of plastic and metal. 242 00:10:42,768 --> 00:10:45,646 CODY: Who, who can determine, and by what means, 243 00:10:45,646 --> 00:10:47,273 when a piece of metal is a gun, 244 00:10:47,273 --> 00:10:49,150 is more like a gun than not a gun, right? 245 00:10:49,150 --> 00:10:51,277 So a bureaucrat looks at a gun and says, this is when this 246 00:10:51,277 --> 00:10:52,320 becomes a gun. 247 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,738 This is when this becomes a gun. 248 00:10:53,738 --> 00:10:55,948 And these things have no real relation to each other. 249 00:10:55,948 --> 00:10:58,242 MARIANA: For the moment, federal law has decided that 250 00:10:58,242 --> 00:11:01,746 the firearm frame, or lower receiver, is in fact what 251 00:11:01,746 --> 00:11:03,539 makes a gun. 252 00:11:03,539 --> 00:11:06,542 And once a series of holes are drilled into the frame, 253 00:11:06,542 --> 00:11:10,171 it becomes a working firearm and worthy of regulation. 254 00:11:10,171 --> 00:11:12,506 That's how ghost gun companies get away with selling 255 00:11:12,506 --> 00:11:16,844 incomplete, 80% kits because there's still some at-home 256 00:11:16,844 --> 00:11:18,721 assembly required. 257 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:21,349 We've spoken to a lot of police departments around the country and... 258 00:11:21,349 --> 00:11:22,892 CODY: Yeah. 259 00:11:22,892 --> 00:11:23,601 MARIANA: We know that there are a lot more of ghost guns. 260 00:11:23,601 --> 00:11:24,685 CODY: Yeah. 261 00:11:24,685 --> 00:11:26,604 MARIANA: Showing up in crime scenes. 262 00:11:26,604 --> 00:11:27,897 REPORTER (over TV): The epidemic of gun violence gripping America. 263 00:11:27,897 --> 00:11:29,398 REPORTER (over TV): He built this gun. 264 00:11:29,398 --> 00:11:31,317 REPORTER (over TV): Last year, more than 20,000 people were 265 00:11:31,317 --> 00:11:34,070 killed by a firearm in the United States. 266 00:11:34,070 --> 00:11:36,155 MARIANA: How do you feel about that? 267 00:11:36,155 --> 00:11:39,325 CODY: I'm happy that these police are, you know, I don't know what, finding work. 268 00:11:39,325 --> 00:11:41,118 Be a detective. Do your job. 269 00:11:41,118 --> 00:11:43,496 All right? How is this my problem? 270 00:11:50,169 --> 00:11:54,757 ♪ ♪ 271 00:11:57,218 --> 00:11:58,928 CODY: This is how you buy, like, a whole Glock. 272 00:11:58,928 --> 00:12:02,098 But what we do ahead of time is, you know, we chop it up. 273 00:12:02,098 --> 00:12:04,642 We make sure that the regulated part is no longer 274 00:12:04,642 --> 00:12:05,851 in the package. 275 00:12:05,851 --> 00:12:07,812 MARIANA: So, the lower receiver isn't here. 276 00:12:07,812 --> 00:12:09,981 CODY: You, you know, you've got one, your one step removed. 277 00:12:09,981 --> 00:12:11,357 Your lower is on a USB. 278 00:12:11,357 --> 00:12:14,193 MARIANA: Wow. CODY: Think about it. 279 00:12:14,193 --> 00:12:17,446 MARIANA: All right. That, this is so crazy to me. 280 00:12:17,446 --> 00:12:19,657 So, you buy this, you've got all the parts you need. 281 00:12:19,657 --> 00:12:21,742 CODY: Yeah. 282 00:12:21,742 --> 00:12:22,868 MARIANA: Except for the lower receiver which, usually, it's the registered part. 283 00:12:22,868 --> 00:12:24,245 CODY: Yeah, yeah. MARIANA: But guess what? 284 00:12:24,245 --> 00:12:25,955 CODY: Yeah. 285 00:12:25,955 --> 00:12:29,458 MARIANA: You have a USB that will teach you how to make a gun. 286 00:12:29,458 --> 00:12:31,877 I'm trying to understand how ghost guns are making their 287 00:12:31,877 --> 00:12:34,297 way into the hands of criminals. 288 00:12:34,297 --> 00:12:37,800 And there's no better person to ask than Cody Wilson. 289 00:12:38,426 --> 00:12:41,178 The man who gave birth to the ghost gun industry. 290 00:12:41,554 --> 00:12:42,805 So, if the federal government, 291 00:12:42,805 --> 00:12:44,348 if the authorities were to open this. 292 00:12:44,348 --> 00:12:45,725 CODY: Yeah. 293 00:12:45,725 --> 00:12:47,184 MARIANA: They, everything is legal here right now. 294 00:12:47,184 --> 00:12:49,020 CODY: I don't see a gun in here. I don't see a gun, sorry. 295 00:12:49,020 --> 00:12:51,564 Nothing in here looks regulated to me. 296 00:12:51,564 --> 00:12:53,441 MARIANA: So it's a way of trying to skirt the law? 297 00:12:53,441 --> 00:12:56,819 CODY: I think it's, you know, more, it's more grand than that, right? 298 00:12:56,819 --> 00:12:58,112 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 299 00:12:58,112 --> 00:13:00,448 CODY: It's a way of making the law pointless. 300 00:13:00,448 --> 00:13:02,408 This changes the balance of power between the state and 301 00:13:02,408 --> 00:13:04,035 between the individual. 302 00:13:04,035 --> 00:13:06,078 Cheap available guns. Downloadable guns. 303 00:13:06,078 --> 00:13:08,914 3D-printed guns. Guns with no serial numbers. 304 00:13:08,914 --> 00:13:11,042 This is a world you will have to live in. 305 00:13:11,042 --> 00:13:13,544 You know, like, there's no going back. 306 00:13:13,544 --> 00:13:16,589 MARIANA: Cody Wilson calls himself a crypto-anarchist. 307 00:13:16,589 --> 00:13:20,176 His ideological inspiration is WikiLeaks founder and 308 00:13:20,176 --> 00:13:23,220 free speech radical, Julian Assange. 309 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:26,891 Of course, Cody's focus isn't speech, it's guns. 310 00:13:27,391 --> 00:13:30,895 He advocates for immunity from any government oversight. 311 00:13:30,895 --> 00:13:33,981 But would a world without meaningful gun laws 312 00:13:33,981 --> 00:13:38,027 increase freedom or just fuel anarchy? 313 00:13:38,027 --> 00:13:40,404 How do you feel about the fact that ghost guns are being used 314 00:13:40,404 --> 00:13:42,198 to commit crimes, to kill innocent people? 315 00:13:42,198 --> 00:13:43,908 CODY: Guns kill people. 316 00:13:43,908 --> 00:13:46,494 You know, this is what makes them effective, politically interesting. 317 00:13:46,494 --> 00:13:49,288 MARIANA: Right. But there's a reason why they're using ghost guns, right? 318 00:13:49,288 --> 00:13:50,831 Because they are untraceable, 319 00:13:50,831 --> 00:13:52,083 because they're easy, they're easy. 320 00:13:52,083 --> 00:13:53,918 CODY: Oh, look, I agree. 321 00:13:53,918 --> 00:13:54,460 MARIANA: You can make, you still haven't answered my question though. 322 00:13:54,460 --> 00:13:55,961 How do you feel? 323 00:13:55,961 --> 00:13:57,505 CODY: Excited, empowered. 324 00:13:57,505 --> 00:14:00,466 Right? Capable of delivering more damage. 325 00:14:00,466 --> 00:14:02,968 I think I'll be a bigger problem to the government and 326 00:14:02,968 --> 00:14:05,638 I think, you know, that's what I've always been trying to be. 327 00:14:05,638 --> 00:14:06,889 MARIANA: I think a lot of people would find that 328 00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:08,390 incredibly dangerous, as I'm sure you know. 329 00:14:08,390 --> 00:14:09,558 CODY: Yeah, well, I'm an American. 330 00:14:09,558 --> 00:14:12,978 You know? Move to Finland. 331 00:14:14,313 --> 00:14:20,986 ♪ ♪ 332 00:14:22,655 --> 00:14:26,117 ♪ It hurts to be told ♪ 333 00:14:26,117 --> 00:14:29,411 ♪ When you're not very old ♪ 334 00:14:29,411 --> 00:14:35,042 ♪ That you're an outlaw's son ♪ 335 00:14:35,501 --> 00:14:40,131 ♪ And that you're the son of a gun ♪ 336 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:50,766 MARIANA: It's already incredibly easy to get a gun 337 00:14:50,766 --> 00:14:52,685 in the U.S. 338 00:14:52,685 --> 00:14:57,356 So I want to understand who's buying ghost guns and why. 339 00:15:08,742 --> 00:15:13,956 ♪ ♪ 340 00:15:14,456 --> 00:15:16,375 Wow, that's a lot of weapons, huh? 341 00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:22,423 MARIANA: Can I hold it? 342 00:15:23,299 --> 00:15:25,259 MARIANA: It's, oh wow. 343 00:15:25,259 --> 00:15:26,594 So it's all, it's 3D-printed, what part of it's, it's the lower receiver? 344 00:15:28,262 --> 00:15:29,763 MARIANA: Do you have a machine, the 3D printer? 345 00:15:31,098 --> 00:15:32,725 MARIANA: And then the rest is just parts that you bought. 346 00:15:35,060 --> 00:15:37,646 MARIANA: My contact tells me to call him "Dutch." 347 00:15:38,105 --> 00:15:41,108 He says he built this AR-15 assault rifle from an 348 00:15:41,108 --> 00:15:43,819 80% parts kit he ordered online, 349 00:15:43,819 --> 00:15:46,280 just like the kits Cody Wilson sells. 350 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,660 (gunshots) 351 00:15:53,954 --> 00:15:56,665 Do they ask you any questions when you're ordering this stuff online? 352 00:16:00,419 --> 00:16:01,670 MARIANA: That's it? DUTCH: Yup. 353 00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:02,838 MARIANA: How many guns do you own? 354 00:16:05,633 --> 00:16:07,760 MARIANA: And how many of them are ghost guns? 355 00:16:09,553 --> 00:16:12,723 MARIANA: That's because Dutch can't buy a traditional firearm. 356 00:16:12,723 --> 00:16:13,974 Why can't you buy it? 357 00:16:22,358 --> 00:16:24,693 MARIANA: Dutch and his friends aren't criminals, 358 00:16:24,693 --> 00:16:27,738 they're kids, teenagers actually. 359 00:16:27,738 --> 00:16:31,450 But because IDs aren't required to order ghost guns, 360 00:16:31,450 --> 00:16:34,662 the companies don't know, or don't care, if they're helping 361 00:16:34,662 --> 00:16:38,332 underage customers acquire an arsenal like this. 362 00:16:54,765 --> 00:16:57,059 MARIANA: Dutch is right. 363 00:16:58,352 --> 00:17:02,815 I've been reporting on black markets for more than 15 years 364 00:17:02,815 --> 00:17:06,986 and guns are a lucrative commodity to the criminal underworld. 365 00:17:06,986 --> 00:17:10,864 Every day they're bought, sold, and smuggled throughout 366 00:17:10,864 --> 00:17:13,784 the United States and around the world. 367 00:17:14,994 --> 00:17:18,914 Now that ghost guns can be ordered online and 3D-printed at home, 368 00:17:18,914 --> 00:17:23,502 I suspect someone, somewhere is taking advantage of this. 369 00:17:23,502 --> 00:17:25,379 So it's almost 9:00 PM. 370 00:17:25,379 --> 00:17:27,464 We're heading to meet one of our contacts. 371 00:17:27,464 --> 00:17:31,343 He's an American, lives here in LA, but is part of a Mexican cartel. 372 00:17:31,343 --> 00:17:35,097 His group has been dealing more and more in, in ghost guns. 373 00:17:35,097 --> 00:17:38,475 Apparently, they're receiving some sort of shipment tonight. 374 00:17:38,475 --> 00:17:41,770 So he's allowed us to come and talk to him and 375 00:17:41,770 --> 00:17:44,356 possibly film part of his operation. 376 00:17:56,285 --> 00:17:58,162 MARIANA: So all of the parts in this gun were ordered from 377 00:17:58,162 --> 00:18:00,080 online websites, completely legal? 378 00:18:03,876 --> 00:18:05,753 MARIANA: I've seen a lot of things in my career, 379 00:18:05,753 --> 00:18:07,504 but this is a first. 380 00:18:07,504 --> 00:18:10,924 Watching two gang members assemble an arsenal by simply 381 00:18:10,924 --> 00:18:14,053 ordering the parts online, grabbing a few tools, 382 00:18:14,053 --> 00:18:16,639 and following the instructions. 383 00:18:16,639 --> 00:18:18,807 So this is a completely untraceable gun? 384 00:18:18,807 --> 00:18:21,226 If you find this on the streets, there's no way that 385 00:18:21,226 --> 00:18:22,936 somebody's going to find out where it came from? 386 00:18:30,653 --> 00:18:33,530 MARIANA: Well, maybe not everybody, but Tiny and Flaco 387 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:35,908 are members of the Surenos, 388 00:18:35,908 --> 00:18:38,410 a violent Latin-American street gang 389 00:18:38,410 --> 00:18:41,955 whose stronghold is in Southern California. 390 00:18:42,665 --> 00:18:45,376 To arm their gang, they used to have to buy guns from 391 00:18:45,376 --> 00:18:50,005 private sellers or straight up steal them, 392 00:18:50,005 --> 00:18:52,841 but none of the guns I'm looking at tonight are stolen. 393 00:18:52,841 --> 00:18:55,052 How often are you selling guns? 394 00:19:00,516 --> 00:19:03,310 MARIANA: And so, now what happens to these guns? 395 00:19:06,188 --> 00:19:08,273 MARIANA: Oh, there's a buyer on his way right now? 396 00:19:28,419 --> 00:19:30,838 MARIANA: The buyer is eager to see the merchandise, 397 00:19:30,838 --> 00:19:33,424 but less than thrilled about our presence. 398 00:19:46,562 --> 00:19:50,816 ♪ ♪ 399 00:20:04,663 --> 00:20:06,957 MARIANA: Just miles from my home in Los Angeles, 400 00:20:06,957 --> 00:20:09,293 I'm watching a ghost gun deal go down. 401 00:20:13,964 --> 00:20:16,175 MARIANA: Because these guns don't have serial numbers and 402 00:20:16,175 --> 00:20:21,180 are effectively untraceable, the buyer pays $3,000. 403 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:24,224 That's three times what similar guns would cost 404 00:20:24,224 --> 00:20:26,518 at a legal firearms store. 405 00:20:43,285 --> 00:20:49,917 (rapping in Spanish). 406 00:20:51,251 --> 00:20:54,463 MARIANA: Do you worry about what ends up happening with these guns? 407 00:20:54,463 --> 00:20:55,672 I mean... 408 00:21:03,514 --> 00:21:06,308 MARIANA: It's a game I'm only beginning to understand. 409 00:21:08,894 --> 00:21:13,815 The following day, Flaco tells me to meet him 100 miles outside the city. 410 00:21:24,910 --> 00:21:27,871 I find him waiting for me in a stolen pickup truck, 411 00:21:27,871 --> 00:21:30,916 with another Sureno he calls "Problem." 412 00:21:32,251 --> 00:21:35,170 But the most explosive intel he shares is that the buyers 413 00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:38,841 I saw last night are in police custody. 414 00:21:39,258 --> 00:21:40,926 Oh, my. 415 00:21:40,926 --> 00:21:42,386 So they used, they used the guns? 416 00:21:42,386 --> 00:21:43,971 Basically, they shot at other people with those guns? 417 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,889 MARIANA: And they were arrested? 418 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:49,560 MARIANA: Didn't you guys get concerned that that might lead back to you guys? 419 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,561 FLACO: No. 420 00:21:58,569 --> 00:22:01,863 MARIANA: And do you know, did anyone get hurt? 421 00:22:01,863 --> 00:22:05,284 I mean, if he got in trouble, it's because he probably 422 00:22:05,284 --> 00:22:06,785 either injured or killed somebody. 423 00:22:09,413 --> 00:22:10,831 MARIANA: Would you sell him a gun again? 424 00:22:17,504 --> 00:22:21,008 MARIANA: Flaco tells me the demand for his products are skyrocketing. 425 00:22:21,008 --> 00:22:24,428 In fact, he's out here in the middle of nowhere for a very 426 00:22:24,428 --> 00:22:27,389 specific reason, quality control. 427 00:22:27,389 --> 00:22:28,390 (gunshot) 428 00:22:35,272 --> 00:22:38,233 MARIANA: Flaco reminds me that in his world, if a weapon 429 00:22:38,233 --> 00:22:40,903 doesn't work as advertised, the buyer is going to come 430 00:22:40,903 --> 00:22:44,740 looking for the seller and he's going to be pissed. 431 00:22:46,116 --> 00:22:47,701 I mean, I know this is the middle of the desert, 432 00:22:47,701 --> 00:22:50,245 but there's also a lot of people around shooting their own guns. 433 00:22:50,245 --> 00:22:51,705 FLACO: Uh-hmm. 434 00:22:51,705 --> 00:22:53,624 MARIANA: This is not somewhere that makes you nervous? 435 00:22:55,500 --> 00:23:00,005 MARIANA: They're right, the canyon is crawling with legal gun owners. 436 00:23:01,798 --> 00:23:05,135 These two gangsters are hiding in plain sight. 437 00:23:05,969 --> 00:23:09,556 But they're not shooting for fun, like Dutch and his buddies. 438 00:23:10,057 --> 00:23:12,309 They're making sure these weapons are primed for 439 00:23:12,309 --> 00:23:14,686 future gang hits. 440 00:23:15,145 --> 00:23:17,648 (gunshots) 441 00:23:24,571 --> 00:23:26,531 MARIANA: In your guy's case, running a business. 442 00:23:26,531 --> 00:23:28,450 (gunshots) 443 00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:30,661 An illegal business in this case. 444 00:23:36,375 --> 00:23:39,753 MARIANA: Getting caught isn't something these two worry about. 445 00:23:41,588 --> 00:23:44,508 They already have buyers waiting for them in the city. 446 00:23:45,926 --> 00:23:47,302 ♪ Oh! ♪ 447 00:23:47,302 --> 00:23:49,888 ♪ I got to make me a gun ♪ 448 00:23:51,723 --> 00:23:53,975 MARIANA: It's hard for me to imagine ghost guns aren't 449 00:23:53,975 --> 00:23:56,937 having an impact in America's rising gun violence. 450 00:23:58,522 --> 00:24:02,901 The industry is ripe for exploitation, but a true 451 00:24:02,901 --> 00:24:07,239 black market isn't built on backyard operations. 452 00:24:08,907 --> 00:24:11,660 You need to scale up. 453 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,288 ♪ Hit me, not for fun, I got to make me a gun ♪ 454 00:24:15,956 --> 00:24:19,626 ♪ Clearly not for fun, I got to make me a gun ♪ 455 00:24:19,626 --> 00:24:22,045 MARIANA: And I've heard rumors that something much bigger is 456 00:24:22,045 --> 00:24:26,007 taking place right here, in the Rocky Mountains. 457 00:24:32,514 --> 00:24:33,932 When I started looking into this story. 458 00:24:33,932 --> 00:24:37,227 I didn't ever imagine that I would end up in Denver. 459 00:24:37,227 --> 00:24:40,063 It's not a place that you think of when you think of 460 00:24:40,063 --> 00:24:42,399 guns or gangs. 461 00:24:42,399 --> 00:24:45,694 But it might be the center of an interstate pipeline that 462 00:24:45,694 --> 00:24:51,116 proves ghosts guns are the future of American gun trafficking. 463 00:24:58,415 --> 00:25:00,751 ♪ ♪ 464 00:25:01,418 --> 00:25:04,880 MARIANA: So quite the setup you have here. 465 00:25:05,297 --> 00:25:08,133 And who, these guys all work with you? 466 00:25:14,097 --> 00:25:16,933 MARIANA: Denver isn't my usual beat, so I had some colleagues 467 00:25:16,933 --> 00:25:18,977 connect me with this man. 468 00:25:18,977 --> 00:25:22,773 By day, he's the owner of a retail store that sells toys, 469 00:25:22,773 --> 00:25:25,817 T-shirts and custom sneakers, 470 00:25:25,817 --> 00:25:28,487 but at night, he runs a black market business 471 00:25:28,487 --> 00:25:30,822 out of the back office. 472 00:25:30,822 --> 00:25:34,534 As for the other men in the room, I'm not so sure. 473 00:25:37,329 --> 00:25:38,330 MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 474 00:25:43,752 --> 00:25:45,087 MARIANA: A silencer kit? 475 00:25:46,463 --> 00:25:47,714 MARIANA: Holy moly. 476 00:25:54,429 --> 00:25:55,972 MARIANA: And this is completely illegal. 477 00:25:57,641 --> 00:25:59,101 MARIANA: How did you come up with this idea? 478 00:26:03,605 --> 00:26:06,525 MARIANA: That reason is guns. 479 00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:09,986 Getting a ghost gun is easy, 480 00:26:09,986 --> 00:26:13,115 but not as easy as I've been led to believe. 481 00:26:15,075 --> 00:26:18,453 California has some of the country's most restrictive gun laws. 482 00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:22,165 There's all kinds of hardware that ghost gun companies can't 483 00:26:22,165 --> 00:26:26,878 ship into the States, but I saw those outlawed parts in action. 484 00:26:27,170 --> 00:26:29,131 (gunshots) 485 00:26:29,131 --> 00:26:32,467 Colorado's laws are looser, and I suspect criminals are 486 00:26:32,467 --> 00:26:37,222 using Denver as a kind of way station or weapons depot, 487 00:26:37,222 --> 00:26:40,600 the nexus of a larger pipeline. 488 00:26:40,892 --> 00:26:43,353 And who's buying this, this from you? 489 00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:46,773 Have you sold to criminals? 490 00:26:55,532 --> 00:26:57,576 MARIANA: I love how you're going, you're going in circles 491 00:26:57,576 --> 00:27:00,954 and not wanting to tell me about what the business is. 492 00:27:00,954 --> 00:27:05,792 My contacts may be connected to the pipeline I'm searching for, 493 00:27:05,792 --> 00:27:07,961 but with some black market operators, 494 00:27:07,961 --> 00:27:10,589 if you push too far, they clam up. 495 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:24,686 MARIANA: My line of work takes trust, but here, 496 00:27:24,686 --> 00:27:28,064 I'm a stranger in a strange town. 497 00:27:30,775 --> 00:27:34,195 I reach back out to my colleagues for another way in. 498 00:27:37,991 --> 00:27:40,201 Apparently, he's waiting for us on the side of the road 499 00:27:40,201 --> 00:27:42,370 somewhere here. 500 00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:44,706 Yeah, he says he's here already. 501 00:27:44,706 --> 00:27:46,207 Do you guys see him? 502 00:27:46,207 --> 00:27:48,585 I don't see anyone. 503 00:27:48,585 --> 00:27:50,378 Oh, I think it's him right here. 504 00:27:50,378 --> 00:27:51,880 Yeah. 505 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,549 I think this is him. 506 00:27:56,301 --> 00:27:57,385 Hi. 507 00:27:57,385 --> 00:27:58,803 ABEL: Hello. MARIANA: How are you? 508 00:27:58,803 --> 00:28:00,013 ABEL: How are you? 509 00:28:00,013 --> 00:28:01,306 MARIANA: So nice to finally meet you. 510 00:28:01,306 --> 00:28:03,642 ABEL: Yeah. How you doing? 511 00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:13,234 ♪ ♪ 512 00:28:17,781 --> 00:28:19,783 MARIANA: Who are we meeting tonight? 513 00:28:19,783 --> 00:28:22,410 ABEL: We're going to go meet a couple of my homies. 514 00:28:22,410 --> 00:28:24,412 This is what they do. 515 00:28:24,412 --> 00:28:26,790 He has customers that will blow your mind. 516 00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:28,959 MARIANA: Really? 517 00:28:28,959 --> 00:28:30,710 His name is Abel. 518 00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:34,464 Back in Miami, he was a gang member who ran with a violent crew. 519 00:28:35,131 --> 00:28:39,135 After spending several years in jail, Abel moved to Denver, 520 00:28:39,135 --> 00:28:42,514 hoping to leave his criminal past behind, 521 00:28:42,514 --> 00:28:46,434 but his connections to the black market remain strong. 522 00:28:46,434 --> 00:28:51,106 And tonight, he's taking me to meet a gun trafficker. 523 00:28:51,106 --> 00:28:53,066 ABEL: Him and his brother, they're Surenos. 524 00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:54,943 MARIANA: Oh, he's a Sureno? 525 00:28:54,943 --> 00:28:56,736 ABEL: Yeah. 526 00:28:56,736 --> 00:28:59,280 MARIANA: So that's a Mexican cartel, basically? 527 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,824 ABEL: Yeah, yeah. 528 00:29:00,824 --> 00:29:02,659 MARIANA: That operates. ABEL: Everywhere. 529 00:29:02,659 --> 00:29:04,119 MARIANA: Heavily here in the U.S., as well. 530 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:05,662 ABEL: Yeah. 531 00:29:05,662 --> 00:29:07,789 MARIANA: Though the Surenos have their strongest presence 532 00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:10,875 in Southern California, the gang is believed to have some 533 00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:14,838 30,000 members spread across 35 states. 534 00:29:15,171 --> 00:29:17,298 Are the Surenos big in Denver right now? 535 00:29:17,298 --> 00:29:19,676 ABEL: From what I see, yeah. 536 00:29:20,552 --> 00:29:22,262 MARIANA: And why is it? 537 00:29:22,262 --> 00:29:25,390 Why do you think there's such a demand for, for these guns? 538 00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:27,267 ABEL: Because people do a lot of dumb (bleep). 539 00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:30,687 And nobody wants to be held accountable for that. 540 00:29:37,193 --> 00:29:38,653 MARIANA: Is that him? 541 00:29:38,653 --> 00:29:42,282 ABEL: Yup. That's him. 542 00:29:42,282 --> 00:29:44,534 MARIANA: Okay. That's our guy. 543 00:29:44,534 --> 00:29:46,119 It's okay to get out? 544 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,246 ABEL: Yeah, yeah. Let's go. 545 00:29:52,083 --> 00:29:54,961 MARIANA: Abel's contact asked me to call him "Johnny". 546 00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:56,379 JOHNNY: Yo. 547 00:29:56,379 --> 00:29:58,256 MARIANA: And confirms that he is, in fact, a Sureno. 548 00:30:20,403 --> 00:30:21,780 MARIANA: Do you mind putting the gun down? 549 00:30:21,780 --> 00:30:23,656 Only because we're, it's making me really nervous. 550 00:30:24,532 --> 00:30:26,785 MARIANA: With the light and people passing but you're not. 551 00:30:26,785 --> 00:30:28,286 JOHNNY: Yeah, you're good. MARIANA: You're okay here? 552 00:30:30,163 --> 00:30:32,082 MARIANA: I don't know. 553 00:30:32,082 --> 00:30:34,334 We're under an underpass with cars passing, and I'm getting super nervous. 554 00:30:34,334 --> 00:30:35,960 JOHNNY: Yeah. For sure. 555 00:30:38,838 --> 00:30:40,256 MARIANA: So this is all 3D. 556 00:30:40,256 --> 00:30:41,299 JOHNNY: The plastic, yeah. Everything. 557 00:30:41,299 --> 00:30:42,592 MARIANA: This is all plastic? 558 00:30:44,594 --> 00:30:46,763 MARIANA: Oh, wow. Doesn't look plastic at all. 559 00:30:51,267 --> 00:30:52,477 MARIANA: Can I hold it? 560 00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:58,149 MARIANA: Wow. So this is an AR? 561 00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:10,411 MARIANA: Really, the shotguns is what every. 562 00:31:11,704 --> 00:31:14,332 MARIANA: Johnny and his brother print these shotguns 563 00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:18,002 for 200 to 300 bucks, then they sell them for roughly a grand. 564 00:31:18,586 --> 00:31:22,090 They use a 3D printer and order the other parts via 565 00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:25,969 80% build kits, just like Dutch and his buddies. 566 00:31:28,346 --> 00:31:31,349 And even though Johnny is an ex-con who isn't legally 567 00:31:31,349 --> 00:31:33,601 permitted to own firearms, 568 00:31:33,601 --> 00:31:37,689 the laws around ghost guns are so easy to outsmart, 569 00:31:38,982 --> 00:31:42,861 that Johnny now prints three to four guns every couple days. 570 00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:46,656 And where do you get, like, the, the, the drawings for 571 00:31:46,656 --> 00:31:48,616 the, what to print? 572 00:31:48,616 --> 00:31:51,536 Where do you think Johnny gets them from? 573 00:31:51,536 --> 00:31:54,622 From Cody Wilson's company, Defense Distributed. 574 00:32:06,551 --> 00:32:12,932 ♪ ♪ 575 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:18,730 MARIANA: Why do you think these guns are so popular? 576 00:32:34,454 --> 00:32:38,416 MARIANA: Do you think that the guns you're selling are being used to kill? 577 00:32:38,416 --> 00:32:39,792 JOHNNY: Yeah. 578 00:32:43,922 --> 00:32:47,258 MARIANA: These guns aren't "ending up" in the wrong hands. 579 00:32:47,258 --> 00:32:52,430 Those hands are reaching out to Johnny and he's eagerly supplying them. 580 00:32:54,265 --> 00:32:55,266 MARIANA: You don't? 581 00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:56,643 MARIANA: Why not? 582 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,025 MARIANA: Johnny isn't just a gun trafficker, he's a gangster. 583 00:33:04,692 --> 00:33:06,861 He was born into the Surenos. 584 00:33:06,861 --> 00:33:10,156 His family has been a part of the gang for generations. 585 00:33:10,531 --> 00:33:14,118 But I'm surprised to discover Johnny actually grew up in LA, 586 00:33:14,118 --> 00:33:18,206 mere miles from where I saw Flaco's operation. 587 00:33:18,206 --> 00:33:22,043 So this is a weird question, but we actually, I know a group 588 00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:24,170 that I was filming with last week in LA, 589 00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:29,175 that coincidentally came to Denver to buy ghost guns. 590 00:33:29,175 --> 00:33:32,512 This group, they're called the (bleep). 591 00:33:33,054 --> 00:33:35,807 After talking to Johnny for a while, I had a hunch that 592 00:33:35,807 --> 00:33:38,559 maybe he knew Tiny and Flaco. 593 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,146 And when I ask, he tells me not only does he know them, 594 00:33:42,146 --> 00:33:44,565 he, in fact, does business with them. 595 00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:45,608 So they buy guns from you guys? 596 00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:51,447 MARIANA: Wow, that's crazy. 597 00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:53,992 MARIANA: Yeah. It's a small world. 598 00:33:53,992 --> 00:33:56,035 I can't believe that. 599 00:33:56,035 --> 00:33:57,245 So I guess you guys are the people to buy guns from if you're coming to Denver? 600 00:34:00,623 --> 00:34:03,835 MARIANA: I'm genuinely shocked by this trafficking pipeline, 601 00:34:03,835 --> 00:34:08,172 one that connects the Rocky Mountains to Downtown Los Angeles, 602 00:34:08,172 --> 00:34:12,302 arming gang members all along the way. 603 00:34:12,302 --> 00:34:14,762 Johnny says his printing operation goes even further 604 00:34:14,762 --> 00:34:18,141 than that, supplying ghost guns to the Midwest and 605 00:34:18,141 --> 00:34:21,227 even to Mexico's cartels. 606 00:34:21,227 --> 00:34:26,649 What about groups, scarier groups than gangs, even. 607 00:34:26,649 --> 00:34:28,026 Like what about, have you? 608 00:34:29,527 --> 00:34:30,903 MARIANA: Yeah, yeah. 609 00:34:30,903 --> 00:34:32,113 Actually, I wasn't going to ask that, but have you? 610 00:34:41,414 --> 00:34:42,540 MARIANA: Wow! JOHNNY: Yeah. 611 00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:47,920 MARIANA: It's a frightening admission. 612 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,842 One that dovetails perfectly with something Cody Wilson said. 613 00:34:53,092 --> 00:34:55,219 And who are your, who are your customers? 614 00:34:55,219 --> 00:34:56,679 Who's buying this stuff? 615 00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,222 CODY: It's always hard to characterize them, but they 616 00:34:58,222 --> 00:35:00,683 skew older men, decent technical experience, 617 00:35:00,683 --> 00:35:03,269 maybe there's some military experience, but in general, 618 00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:06,272 that, that sweet spot of that January 6th rioter, probably. 619 00:35:06,272 --> 00:35:08,483 You know, someone like that. 620 00:35:08,483 --> 00:35:11,402 (shouting) 621 00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:15,823 MARIANA: It's clear to me now that the entire ghost gun 622 00:35:15,823 --> 00:35:20,203 industry is helping create a violent black market, 623 00:35:20,203 --> 00:35:23,748 one that may be spreading beyond the streets. 624 00:35:26,584 --> 00:35:30,963 (gunshots) 625 00:35:41,933 --> 00:35:44,310 MARIANA: The number of attacks by anti-government groups are 626 00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:47,063 at the highest they've been in decades. 627 00:35:47,063 --> 00:35:48,856 DUNCAN: Go. 628 00:35:48,856 --> 00:35:51,567 MARIANA: Today, there are some 500 of them in the United States. 629 00:35:51,567 --> 00:35:54,946 With thousands of members. 630 00:35:54,946 --> 00:35:55,947 DUNCAN: Set! 631 00:35:55,947 --> 00:35:57,156 (gunshot) 632 00:35:57,156 --> 00:35:58,950 MARIANA: The ones I've arranged to meet tonight 633 00:35:58,950 --> 00:36:02,203 belong to the Boogaloo Bois. 634 00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:04,247 And what is it about the government that you don't agree with? 635 00:36:08,334 --> 00:36:12,004 MARIANA: The Boogaloo movement started online in 2010 as a 636 00:36:12,004 --> 00:36:15,925 loose collection of extreme voices preparing for a second 637 00:36:15,925 --> 00:36:19,721 civil war, what they nicknamed "The Boogaloo." 638 00:36:20,596 --> 00:36:24,517 But by 2020, members took their outrage offline and 639 00:36:24,517 --> 00:36:27,854 onto the streets, showing up armed and wearing bright 640 00:36:27,854 --> 00:36:31,983 Hawaiian shirts at various protests across the country. 641 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,444 EXPERT (over computer): They bring guns, they don't like the police, 642 00:36:34,444 --> 00:36:36,112 and they're attracted to chaos. 643 00:36:36,112 --> 00:36:38,114 MARIANA: Violence wasn't far behind. 644 00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:39,782 REPORTER (over TV): A self-avowed Boogaloo member. 645 00:36:39,782 --> 00:36:41,284 REPORTER (over TV): Fired what's called a ghost gun. 646 00:36:41,284 --> 00:36:43,619 REPORTER (over TV): Connected to the deaths of two officers. 647 00:36:43,619 --> 00:36:45,663 MAN (over TV): They came to Oakland to kill cops. 648 00:36:45,663 --> 00:36:48,207 REPORTER (over TV): A plan to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. 649 00:36:49,834 --> 00:36:51,753 MARIANA: Is there a point that you guys see that you'll need 650 00:36:51,753 --> 00:36:55,298 to use your guns against the government and the police? 651 00:37:04,432 --> 00:37:05,767 MARIANA: Are you serious? 652 00:37:08,144 --> 00:37:11,647 MARIANA: So, as an American citizen myself, and being at 653 00:37:11,647 --> 00:37:14,192 home that day, and watching the news, and seeing people 654 00:37:14,192 --> 00:37:18,946 attacking our democracy, it was incredibly shocking and sad. 655 00:37:18,946 --> 00:37:20,823 It was a really sad day for me. 656 00:37:20,823 --> 00:37:24,410 PROTESTERS: Treason! Treason! Treason! 657 00:37:24,744 --> 00:37:26,537 MARIANA: So to hear you say that you want this to happen 658 00:37:26,537 --> 00:37:31,584 again with armed people next time is, is troubling to me. 659 00:37:39,759 --> 00:37:41,761 MARIANA: And you would join the people that were taking it up a notch? 660 00:37:45,348 --> 00:37:47,850 (police officer screaming). 661 00:37:47,850 --> 00:37:50,478 MARIANA: All of this sounds like anarchy. 662 00:37:50,478 --> 00:37:52,855 It sounds like America's criminals have discovered the 663 00:37:52,855 --> 00:37:57,443 perfect weapon, one that they can use against rival gangs, 664 00:37:57,443 --> 00:38:01,697 the government, and even the people closest to us. 665 00:38:17,004 --> 00:38:20,508 ♪ ♪ 666 00:38:20,508 --> 00:38:22,510 (gunshots) 667 00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:24,178 KEN: You hear gunfire in a rural area, 668 00:38:24,178 --> 00:38:27,265 it's nothing that's new. 669 00:38:28,266 --> 00:38:31,060 It's, it's part of the environment. 670 00:38:31,477 --> 00:38:34,105 But there was something about this one that made it different. 671 00:38:34,105 --> 00:38:38,693 (gunshots) 672 00:38:40,695 --> 00:38:44,031 MARIANA: It was the morning of November 14th, 2017. 673 00:38:45,157 --> 00:38:47,994 What fourth grade teacher Ken Yuers didn't know was 674 00:38:47,994 --> 00:38:50,663 that by the time he heard gunfire, the shooter had 675 00:38:50,663 --> 00:38:54,750 already murdered his own wife and two neighbors. 676 00:38:55,001 --> 00:38:56,210 OPERATOR (over phone): 911. 677 00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:57,545 WOMAN (over phone): Someone's been shot. 678 00:38:57,545 --> 00:38:59,714 MAN (over phone): He shot, he shot my uncle! 679 00:38:59,714 --> 00:39:00,965 MAN (over phone): Initially we opened the door and he started shooting at us. 680 00:39:00,965 --> 00:39:02,174 MAN (Nver phone): Oh, my God. 681 00:39:02,174 --> 00:39:03,634 OPERATOR (over phone): Which way did he go? 682 00:39:03,634 --> 00:39:06,554 MARIANA: And was heading towards the elementary school. 683 00:39:07,179 --> 00:39:10,725 The gunman smashed through the school's gates and 684 00:39:10,725 --> 00:39:14,729 opened fire with a semi-automatic assault rifle. 685 00:39:15,646 --> 00:39:19,442 KEN: My senses were completely overwhelmed with what was going down. 686 00:39:19,442 --> 00:39:22,903 This is an actual attack on our school, this guy has an AR-15. 687 00:39:22,903 --> 00:39:24,947 I can't even explain it. 688 00:39:24,947 --> 00:39:26,616 MAN (over phone): There's shooting at Rancho Tehama. 689 00:39:26,616 --> 00:39:27,909 There's a white truck ramming the gate. 690 00:39:27,909 --> 00:39:29,493 WOMAN (over phone): All kinds of gunfire. 691 00:39:29,493 --> 00:39:31,454 KEN: And then I heard him just opening up on that quad area. 692 00:39:31,454 --> 00:39:32,872 WOMAN (over phone): A bunch of gunshots are going off, 693 00:39:32,872 --> 00:39:34,373 people are yelling "Help!" 694 00:39:34,373 --> 00:39:36,417 KEN: You're going through a shooting, and seconds matter 695 00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:38,669 and the police are minutes away, and not even minutes, 696 00:39:38,669 --> 00:39:41,505 I mean 15-20 minutes, it was such a long time to be at the 697 00:39:41,505 --> 00:39:44,842 mercy of a maniac. 698 00:39:44,842 --> 00:39:47,428 MARIANA: Six-year-old Alejandro Hernandez was 699 00:39:47,428 --> 00:39:50,139 huddled inside his kindergarten classroom 700 00:39:50,139 --> 00:39:53,434 while the gunman was firing through the walls and windows. 701 00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:56,103 REPORTER (over TV): Opening fir at seven different locations. 702 00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:58,314 REPORTER (over TV): Semi-automatic rifle in hand. 703 00:39:58,314 --> 00:40:00,775 REPORTER (over TV): Fired at least 30 rounds. 704 00:40:00,775 --> 00:40:03,235 MARIANA: Once police began chasing the shooter, 705 00:40:03,235 --> 00:40:06,572 Alejandro's mother received an urgent call from the school. 706 00:40:07,573 --> 00:40:09,158 ANGELICA: First she told me, "Sit down." 707 00:40:09,158 --> 00:40:11,994 And the moment when she told me to sit down, I, yeah, 708 00:40:11,994 --> 00:40:15,998 I knew there was something, you know, happening. 709 00:40:25,132 --> 00:40:30,763 ANGELICA: I got shocked, it was really hard. 710 00:40:34,934 --> 00:40:39,605 MARIANA: I have a son as well, the same age, and it's, 711 00:40:39,605 --> 00:40:43,651 I think, the biggest worry. 712 00:40:43,651 --> 00:40:44,860 ANGELICA: Yeah. 713 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:46,862 MARIANA: The most scary thing for every mom's. 714 00:40:46,862 --> 00:40:49,198 ANGELICA: Uh-hmm. MARIANA: And father's mind. 715 00:40:49,198 --> 00:40:52,952 ANGELICA: You never know when it will happen. 716 00:40:52,952 --> 00:40:56,247 MARIANA: Alejandro Hernandez took two direct hits. 717 00:40:56,247 --> 00:40:58,791 Thankfully, he survived. 718 00:40:59,166 --> 00:41:03,254 But I didn't come to Rancho Tehama to learn more about the murders. 719 00:41:03,254 --> 00:41:06,799 I came here to prove a point about the murder weapon. 720 00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,177 KEN: I do believe in the Second Amendment. 721 00:41:10,177 --> 00:41:12,722 But I come to find out later he had been told back in 722 00:41:12,722 --> 00:41:15,141 January of 2017, the judge told him, 723 00:41:15,141 --> 00:41:16,892 "You need to turn in all your weapons." 724 00:41:16,892 --> 00:41:18,102 MARIANA: He wasn't allowed to own a gun? 725 00:41:18,102 --> 00:41:20,896 KEN: Correct! He was not allowed to own a gun. 726 00:41:20,896 --> 00:41:23,607 MARIANA: Like the gangsters I met, the Rancho Tehama gunman 727 00:41:23,607 --> 00:41:27,570 wasn't allowed to possess a firearm, but because gun parts 728 00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:33,284 aren't regulated like guns, he was able to order a ghost gun online. 729 00:41:33,743 --> 00:41:34,910 CODY: It's a game. MARIANA: Uh-hmm. 730 00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:36,620 CODY: Why can't I play this game? 731 00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:39,790 MARIANA: If this is in fact a game, then we're the ones being played. 732 00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:41,834 DISPATCH: Shots fired, multiple calls coming in. 733 00:41:41,834 --> 00:41:43,669 REPORTER (over TV): A shooting outside a Manhattan night club. 734 00:41:43,669 --> 00:41:44,879 MAN: We opened the door and he started shooting at us. 735 00:41:44,879 --> 00:41:46,630 MAN: Hey. We need an ambulance, immediately. 736 00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:47,882 OPERATOR (over phone): How many shots did you hear? 737 00:41:47,882 --> 00:41:49,008 WOMAN (over phone): Like, four or five. 738 00:41:49,008 --> 00:41:50,259 MAN: No. 739 00:41:50,259 --> 00:41:54,180 (crying) 740 00:41:55,055 --> 00:41:59,268 CODY: What we accidentally did was create the Second Amendment, 741 00:41:59,268 --> 00:42:01,520 if it didn't exist beforehand. 742 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,315 If there's a right to keep and bear arms, whatever that means, 743 00:42:04,315 --> 00:42:05,941 then you've got it. 744 00:42:05,941 --> 00:42:10,196 MARIANA: Sure, but so does everyone else, and that's not 745 00:42:10,196 --> 00:42:12,907 what America's founding fathers intended. 746 00:42:13,532 --> 00:42:16,035 There's a difference between a free marketplace 747 00:42:16,035 --> 00:42:17,661 and a free-for-all. 748 00:42:21,707 --> 00:42:24,168 MARIANA: Ironically, it was the gangsters I met who were 749 00:42:24,168 --> 00:42:27,713 the most honest about the impact of the ghost gun industry. 750 00:42:27,713 --> 00:42:29,965 Do you think the gun manufacturers feel threatened 751 00:42:29,965 --> 00:42:32,802 at all by the fact that these are becoming so popular? 752 00:42:46,857 --> 00:42:48,359 MARIANA: I couldn't agree more. 753 00:42:48,359 --> 00:42:51,195 From what I've seen, ghost guns are like a black market 754 00:42:51,195 --> 00:42:54,115 disguised as a legal one. 755 00:42:54,115 --> 00:42:57,034 And that's not something to cheer. 756 00:42:57,034 --> 00:42:59,662 Unless you think guns belong in the hands of gangsters, 757 00:42:59,662 --> 00:43:01,539 underage kids, 758 00:43:01,539 --> 00:43:05,376 or extremists trying to overthrow our government. 759 00:43:06,001 --> 00:43:11,173 ♪ ♪ 760 00:43:13,509 --> 00:43:15,928 Do you wish that there were clearer laws in place? 761 00:43:15,928 --> 00:43:17,388 RYAN: Absolutely. 762 00:43:17,388 --> 00:43:19,223 I, I think there's certain people that have lost their 763 00:43:19,223 --> 00:43:20,975 privilege to possess a firearm. 764 00:43:20,975 --> 00:43:22,476 POLICE OFFICER: Search warrant! 765 00:43:22,476 --> 00:43:24,145 BIDEN: And today, the United States Department of Justice 766 00:43:24,145 --> 00:43:25,813 is making it illegal. 767 00:43:25,813 --> 00:43:30,025 To manufacture one of these kits without a serial number, illegal. 768 00:43:30,317 --> 00:43:32,111 MARIANA: Though the Biden administration is attempting 769 00:43:32,111 --> 00:43:35,364 to regulate the sale of at-home build kits, 770 00:43:35,364 --> 00:43:38,325 experts fear this won't make much difference because the 771 00:43:38,325 --> 00:43:42,163 parts themselves remain legal and available. 772 00:43:51,046 --> 00:43:53,757 MARIANA: It's time for Americans to ask themselves. 773 00:43:53,757 --> 00:43:56,177 ♪ The son of a gun ♪ 774 00:43:56,177 --> 00:43:58,888 (gunshots) 775 00:43:58,888 --> 00:44:00,764 REPORTER (over TV): A shooting outside a Manhattan night club. 776 00:44:00,764 --> 00:44:04,226 WOMAN (over phone): How many shots did you hear? 777 00:44:04,226 --> 00:44:06,645 MARIANA: Is this a price we're willing to pay? 778 00:44:06,645 --> 00:44:07,897 Captioned by Cotter Media Group. 64115

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