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♪ ♪
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♪ It hurts to be told when
you're not very old ♪
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MARIANA: Americans and
guns go hand in hand.
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♪ An outlaw's son ♪
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MARIANA: They're part of the
country's founding mythology,
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and for some citizens, they go
to the core of what it means
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to be an American.
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COWBOY: We're surrounded
by a sea of wonderful
products to buy.
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♪ The son of a gun ♪
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MARIANA: Today, the US has
nearly 400 million firearms
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in circulation.
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It's the only country
in the world with more
guns than people.
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All of this is
constitutionally protected
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and 100% legal.
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But a new kind of weapons
technology is testing the
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limits of America's gun laws.
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They're called ghost guns.
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Unlicensed, untraceable,
and easy to assemble at home.
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CODY: Almost everything
you see here is just
printed on a 3D printer.
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MARIANA: Do they ask
you any questions?
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MARIANA: I want to know who's
making them, who's buying them.
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Have you sold to criminals?
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MARIANA: And how these weapons
are getting into the hands of
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America's most violent gangs.
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CODY: This is a world
you will have to live in.
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There's no going back.
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(gunshots)
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(theme music plays)
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RYAN: We're searching for
ammunition and firearms.
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No one inside of this house
has any guns registered to
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them, but there's likely
several guns inside of here.
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We don't necessarily
anticipate any violence,
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but they are meth users and the
dope game is unpredictable.
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MARIANA: Welcome to the
frontlines of the fight
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against ghost guns.
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Detective Ryan Swetavage is a
member of the Alameda County
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Sheriff's Office
Gang Suppression Unit.
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Today, the team is executing a
search warrant on the home of
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a convicted felon; a home
they suspect is being used to
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manufacture ghost guns.
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RYAN: So when we pull up
in front of the house,
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try to stay behind a vehicle,
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so you're a little bit
more protected.
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MARIANA: Okay.
In case there are shots fired?
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RYAN: Correct.
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Okay. Here we go.
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♪ ♪
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(knocking)
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This is the Alameda
County Sheriff's Office!
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Come to the front door
with nothing in your hands!
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Come on down the stairs.
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MARIANA: Oh,
somebody just came out.
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MAN: Oh, my God.
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MARIANA: Over the next couple
hours, the team locates an
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impressive weapons cache.
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That was inside?
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RYAN: Yeah.
MARIANA: That long one too?
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RYAN: Yeah.
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So, she's not supposed to have
firearms, but this is actually
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from a company.
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And then they drilled some
holes in it, milled it out,
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and then completed the gun.
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There's no serial
number on that plate.
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MARIANA: So it's a
ghost gun, as well?
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RYAN: Correct, yeah.
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MARIANA: This is
a critical point.
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Ghost guns are weapons
without serial numbers,
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untraceable guns, which
pose an enormous challenge
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for cops investigating
gun violence.
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That's crazy.
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Did you think you were
going to find so many guns?
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RYAN: I didn't think we're
going to find this many.
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I mean, right here, just what
we found so far, you know,
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about 30% of the guns
here are ghosN guns.
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MARIANA: This is not
an isolated incident.
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Illegal ghost gun recoveries
are accelerating and there's
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a disturbing reason why.
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REPORTER (over TV): The
13-year-old was allegedly
selling ghost guns.
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POLICE (over TV): You can
manufacture your own gun.
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REPORTER (over TV):
And build something
that could kill people.
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MARIANA: Right now, there are
more than 80 companies
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selling ghost guns.
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MAN: Straight to your door.
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MARIANA: Unlike traditional
firearms, they can be
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purchased without any
IDs or background checks.
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Buyers get what's
called an 80% build kit.
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They simply drill a
few holes and assemble.
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It's like Ikea
for lethal weapons.
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WOMAN: This is how I've built
mine, how will you build yours?
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RYAN: This is basically
an AR-15 rifle that's been
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converted to fire
handgun ammunition,
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nine-millimeter ammunition.
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In this case, we executed a
search warrant on someone who
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was manufacturing these guns
and likely selling them to
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gang members.
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MARIANA: But you found somebody
making their own AR-15s
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to sell to gang members on the
streets of the United States?
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RYAN: Correct, yeah.
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If he's going to put guns in
the hands of gang members,
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he absolutely should not
have that anything.
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MARIANA: And it's ghost gun
technology like this that's
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making it possible.
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RYAN: This actual
device is a mill.
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It's an electronic mill.
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So you plug that in to a
laptop or any sort of computer
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and with a software
that you can download,
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you can finish firearms.
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MARIANA: The operation they
busted earlier tonight was
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using hand drills and
dremels to make ghost guns.
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RYAN: These are just
regular hand tools.
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MARIANA: Somewhat primitive
compared to this machine,
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which allows someone
to professionally mill
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metal gun parts at home.
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So do you mind if I look for,
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I'm trying to figure out
what company makes this.
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RYAN: No.
Go for it.
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MARIANA: Oh, wow.
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A well-regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a
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free state, to
keep and bear arms.
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It's the Bill of Rights
that's written here.
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Had you seen this?
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RYAN: No, I didn't see that.
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MARIANA: A little more
poking around reveals that the
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machine is manufactured by
"Defense Distributed,"
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a company based 1,500
miles away in Austin, Texas.
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CODY: It's like a
tradition of ours to put
in little Easter eggs.
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So we just managed to fit the
entire Bill of Rights on this
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LED board here.
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MARIANA: Really,
all of it is here?
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CODY: Uh-hmm.
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You would never know that, you
know, but that's just a little
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gift of love from us to you.
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MARIANA: This looks like
a Star Wars gun almost. Right?
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CODY: This is, careful where
you point that, but this is
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J Stark's FGC.
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MARIANA: Oh,
this is the, sorry.
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CODY: Here's your barrel. Yeah.
This is J Stark's FGC-9.
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This is the Mark II.
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MARIANA: Oh.
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CODY: This is (bleep) Gun
Control, nine millimeter.
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And almost everything you see
here is actually just printed
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on a 3D printer.
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Anyone in the world should be
able to make it if they have
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the right equipment.
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MARIANA: A decade ago,
3D-printed guns like this
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were the stuff of
science fiction.
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CODY: When I see this gun, I
see the fulfillment of the
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things that I was doing.
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MARIANA: So
you're proud of it.
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CODY: I enjoy it.
I love it. Yeah.
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It's, I look at it
more like a child.
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MARIANA: The man I'm speaking
with didn't invent this
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particular weapon, but he gave
birth to the technology
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that made it possible.
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His name is...
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REPORTER (over TV):
Cody Wilson.
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REPORTER 2 (over TV):
Cody Wilson.
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REPORTER 3 (over TV):
Cody Wilson.
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MARIANA: He's the director
of Defense Distributed,
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one of the country's leading
ghost gun manufacturers.
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CODY: If you can run a computer,
you can run a ghost gun.
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MARIANA: Some say Cody
is a gun rights activist.
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CODY: As long as you have the
right to keep and bear arms,
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you have the
right to make them.
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MARIANA: Others
call him an anarchist.
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REPORTER (over TV): This is
about weapons of war being made
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in people's living rooms.
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CODY: There would be nothing
illegal about even felons or
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other people getting it.
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MARIANA: Wired magazine
once labeled him one of
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"the 15 most dangerous
people in the world."
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RICHARD: The new wave of
American gun violence.
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MARIANA: That's because Cody
Wilson was the first person to
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build a fully functional,
3D-printed firearm.
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CODY: I didn't know
how to print a gun.
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I didn't know how
to use a 3D printer.
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MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
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CODY: But I knew
what I wanted to do.
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I wanted to make
a Wiki Weapon.
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I wanted to,
WikiLeaks for guns.
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MARIANA: Three-dimensional
printers use raw materials
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like metal or plastic,
depositing them
layer after layer
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until they create a
three-dimensional object.
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Today's 3D printers can
make just about anything,
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from medical prosthetics and
children's toys, to furniture
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and, of course, firearms.
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Cody called his very first
creation "The Liberator."
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So this was one of
the first, what?
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Five guns that you printed?
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CODY: I would say it's one of
the first three Liberators.
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MARIANA: Oh, the
first three. Wow.
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CODY: Ever printed...
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MARIANA: And did you,
did you actually go out
and shoot this one?
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CODY: Yeah. You can, in fact,
you can still see the dust
and the grime and the uh...
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MARIANA: You can. Yeah.
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CODY: The explosive
pNwder burns.
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MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
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CODY: And this
thing has been fired.
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MARIANA: In fact, in May of
2013, Cody posted a video of
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himself successfully
test-firing the Liberator,
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then uploaded the gun's
design onto the web,
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making it accessible
to anyone online,
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including criminals
and terrorists.
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It was downloaded
nearly 100,000 times.
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Were you surprised?
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CODY: Yeah.
I was like, "Wow. Okay."
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I'm, I'm thrown into this
world just like you are now.
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We live in a world of 3D guns.
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MARIANA: It's a world the U.S.
Government wasn't happy about,
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so they accused Cody of
illegally trafficking
weapons overseas.
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CODY: The fun thing of
the law is there's a line.
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Before that line, this
is a piece of metal.
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It might have a funny
shape, but it means nothing.
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After this line, the ATF
says this is a firearm.
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MARIANA: Uh-hmm. What do
you think of that line?
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CODY: If the ATF
wants to redraw the line.
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MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
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CODY: We'll
redraw the line too.
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MARIANA: Cody sued
the U.S. Government and
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they ultimately backed down.
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So your defense
was, it's the right...
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CODY: Yeah.
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MARIANA: Of free speech to be
able to put out this code that
makes these guns.
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CODY: Uh-hmm.
Yeah, exactly.
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It's a game.
Why can't I play this game?
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MARIANA: Right now, the
rules of the game say that
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any American company
selling guns needs
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a Federal Firearms
License or FFL.
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Ghost gun companies don't.
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Because they argue,
they're not selling guns,
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they're selling parts.
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Online, I can buy all
these parts from you?
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Everything?
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CODY: Everything you see.
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MARIANA: And then I
can put it together?
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It all comes down
to a surprisingly
complicated question.
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What exactly is a gun?
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Every firearm is made
up of multiple parts.
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Some parts are metal,
others are plastic.
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But the U.S. Government
doesn't regulate
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pieces of plastic and metal.
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CODY: Who, who can determine,
and by what means,
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when a piece of metal is a gun,
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is more like a gun
than not a gun, right?
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So a bureaucrat looks at a gun
and says, this is when this
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becomes a gun.
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This is when
this becomes a gun.
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And these things have no
real relation to each other.
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MARIANA: For the moment,
federal law has decided that
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the firearm frame, or lower
receiver, is in fact what
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makes a gun.
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And once a series of holes
are drilled into the frame,
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it becomes a working firearm
and worthy of regulation.
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That's how ghost gun companies
get away with selling
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incomplete, 80% kits because
there's still some at-home
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assembly required.
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We've spoken to a lot
of police departments
around the country and...
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CODY: Yeah.
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MARIANA: We know that there
are a lot more of ghost guns.
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CODY: Yeah.
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MARIANA: Showing
up in crime scenes.
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REPORTER (over TV): The
epidemic of gun violence
gripping America.
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REPORTER (over TV):
He built this gun.
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REPORTER (over TV): Last year,
more than 20,000 people were
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killed by a firearm in
the United States.
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MARIANA: How do
you feel about that?
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CODY: I'm happy that these
police are, you know, I don't
know what, finding work.
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Be a detective.
Do your job.
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All right?
How is this my problem?
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♪ ♪
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CODY: This is how you
buy, like, a whole Glock.
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But what we do ahead of time
is, you know, we chop it up.
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We make sure that the
regulated part is no longer
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in the package.
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MARIANA: So, the lower
receiver isn't here.
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CODY: You, you know, you've got
one, your one step removed.
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Your lower is on a USB.
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MARIANA: Wow.
CODY: Think about it.
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MARIANA: All right.
That, this is so crazy to me.
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So, you buy this, you've
got all the parts you need.
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CODY: Yeah.
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MARIANA: Except for the lower
receiver which, usually,
it's the registered part.
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CODY: Yeah, yeah.
MARIANA: But guess what?
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CODY: Yeah.
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MARIANA: You have a
USB that will teach
you how to make a gun.
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I'm trying to understand how
ghost guns are making their
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way into the
hands of criminals.
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And there's no better person
to ask than Cody Wilson.
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The man who gave birth to
the ghost gun industry.
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So, if the federal government,
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if the authorities
were to open this.
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CODY: Yeah.
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MARIANA: They, everything
is legal here right now.
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CODY: I don't see a gun in here.
I don't see a gun, sorry.
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Nothing in here
looks regulated to me.
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MARIANA: So it's a way of
trying to skirt the law?
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CODY: I think it's, you know,
more, it's more grand than
that, right?
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MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
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CODY: It's a way of
making the law pointless.
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This changes the balance of
power between the state and
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between the individual.
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Cheap available guns.
Downloadable guns.
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3D-printed guns.
Guns with no serial numbers.
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This is a world you
will have to live in.
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You know, like,
there's no going back.
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MARIANA: Cody Wilson calls
himself a crypto-anarchist.
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His ideological inspiration
is WikiLeaks founder and
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free speech radical,
Julian Assange.
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Of course, Cody's focus
isn't speech, it's guns.
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He advocates for immunity
from any government oversight.
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But would a world without
meaningful gun laws
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increase freedom or
just fuel anarchy?
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How do you feel about the fact
that ghost guns are being used
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to commit crimes, to
kill innocent people?
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CODY: Guns kill people.
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You know, this is what
makes them effective,
politically interesting.
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MARIANA: Right. But there's
a reason why they're using
ghost guns, right?
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Because they are untraceable,
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because they're easy,
they're easy.
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CODY: Oh, look, I agree.
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MARIANA: You can make, you
still haven't answered my
question though.
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How do you feel?
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CODY: Excited, empowered.
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Right? Capable of
delivering more damage.
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I think I'll be a bigger
problem to the government and
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I think, you know, that's what
I've always been trying to be.
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MARIANA: I think a lot
of people would find that
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incredibly dangerous,
as I'm sure you know.
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CODY: Yeah, well,
I'm an American.
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You know?
Move to Finland.
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♪ ♪
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♪ It hurts to be told ♪
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♪ When you're not very old ♪
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♪ That you're an outlaw's son ♪
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♪ And that you're
the son of a gun ♪
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MARIANA: It's already
incredibly easy to get a gun
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in the U.S.
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So I want to understand who's
buying ghost guns and why.
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♪ ♪
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Wow, that's a lot
of weapons, huh?
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MARIANA: Can I hold it?
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MARIANA: It's, oh wow.
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So it's all, it's 3D-printed,
what part of it's, it's the
lower receiver?
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MARIANA: Do you have a
machine, the 3D printer?
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MARIANA: And then the rest is
just parts that you bought.
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MARIANA: My contact tells
me to call him "Dutch."
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He says he built this AR-15
assault rifle from an
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80% parts kit he ordered online,
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just like the kits
Cody Wilson sells.
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(gunshots)
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Do they ask you any questions
when you're ordering this
stuff online?
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MARIANA: That's it?
DUTCH: Yup.
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MARIANA: How many
guns do you own?
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MARIANA: And how many
of them are ghost guns?
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MARIANA: That's because Dutch
can't buy a traditional firearm.
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Why can't you buy it?
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MARIANA: Dutch and his
friends aren't criminals,
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they're kids,
teenagers actually.
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But because IDs aren't
required to order ghost guns,
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the companies don't know, or
don't care, if they're helping
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underage customers
acquire an arsenal like this.
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MARIANA: Dutch is right.
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I've been reporting on black
markets for more than 15 years
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and guns are a lucrative
commodity to the
criminal underworld.
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Every day they're bought,
sold, and smuggled throughout
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the United States
and around the world.
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Now that ghost guns can
be ordered online and
3D-printed at home,
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I suspect someone, somewhere
is taking advantage of this.
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So it's almost 9:00 PM.
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We're heading to meet
one of our contacts.
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He's an American, lives
here in LA, but is part
of a Mexican cartel.
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His group has been dealing more
and more in, in ghost guns.
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Apparently, they're receiving
some sort of shipment tonight.
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So he's allowed us to
come and talk to him and
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possibly film part
of his operation.
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MARIANA: So all of the parts
in this gun were ordered from
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online websites,
completely legal?
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MARIANA: I've seen a lot of
things in my career,
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but this is a first.
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Watching two gang members
assemble an arsenal by simply
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ordering the parts online,
grabbing a few tools,
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and following the instructions.
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So this is a
completely untraceable gun?
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00:18:18,807 --> 00:18:21,226
If you find this on the
streets, there's no way that
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somebody's going to find
out where it came from?
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00:18:30,653 --> 00:18:33,530
MARIANA: Well, maybe not
everybody, but Tiny and Flaco
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are members of the Surenos,
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a violent Latin-American
street gang
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whose stronghold is
in Southern California.
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00:18:42,665 --> 00:18:45,376
To arm their gang, they
used to have to buy guns from
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private sellers or
straight up steal them,
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00:18:50,005 --> 00:18:52,841
but none of the guns I'm
looking at tonight are stolen.
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00:18:52,841 --> 00:18:55,052
How often are
you selling guns?
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MARIANA: And so, now
what happens to these guns?
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00:19:06,188 --> 00:19:08,273
MARIANA: Oh, there's a
buyer on his way right now?
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00:19:28,419 --> 00:19:30,838
MARIANA: The buyer is eager
to see the merchandise,
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00:19:30,838 --> 00:19:33,424
but less than thrilled
about our presence.
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♪ ♪
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MARIANA: Just miles from
my home in Los Angeles,
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I'm watching a ghost
gun deal go down.
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00:20:13,964 --> 00:20:16,175
MARIANA: Because these guns
don't have serial numbers and
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00:20:16,175 --> 00:20:21,180
are effectively untraceable,
the buyer pays $3,000.
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00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:24,224
That's three times what
similar guns would cost
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00:20:24,224 --> 00:20:26,518
at a legal firearms store.
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00:20:43,285 --> 00:20:49,917
(rapping in Spanish).
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00:20:51,251 --> 00:20:54,463
MARIANA: Do you worry
about what ends up
happening with these guns?
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00:20:54,463 --> 00:20:55,672
I mean...
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MARIANA: It's a game I'm
only beginning to understand.
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00:21:08,894 --> 00:21:13,815
The following day, Flaco
tells me to meet him 100
miles outside the city.
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I find him waiting for me
in a stolen pickup truck,
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00:21:27,871 --> 00:21:30,916
with another Sureno he
calls "Problem."
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But the most explosive intel
he shares is that the buyers
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I saw last night are
in police custody.
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00:21:39,258 --> 00:21:40,926
Oh, my.
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00:21:40,926 --> 00:21:42,386
So they used,
they used the guns?
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00:21:42,386 --> 00:21:43,971
Basically, they shot at other
people with those guns?
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00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,889
MARIANA: And
they were arrested?
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00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:49,560
MARIANA: Didn't you guys
get concerned that that might
lead back to you guys?
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00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,561
FLACO: No.
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00:21:58,569 --> 00:22:01,863
MARIANA: And do you know,
did anyone get hurt?
421
00:22:01,863 --> 00:22:05,284
I mean, if he got in trouble,
it's because he probably
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00:22:05,284 --> 00:22:06,785
either injured or
killed somebody.
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00:22:09,413 --> 00:22:10,831
MARIANA: Would you
sell him a gun again?
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00:22:17,504 --> 00:22:21,008
MARIANA: Flaco tells
me the demand for his
products are skyrocketing.
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00:22:21,008 --> 00:22:24,428
In fact, he's out here in the
middle of nowhere for a very
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00:22:24,428 --> 00:22:27,389
specific reason,
quality control.
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00:22:27,389 --> 00:22:28,390
(gunshot)
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00:22:35,272 --> 00:22:38,233
MARIANA: Flaco reminds me
that in his world, if a weapon
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00:22:38,233 --> 00:22:40,903
doesn't work as advertised,
the buyer is going to come
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00:22:40,903 --> 00:22:44,740
looking for the seller and
he's going to be pissed.
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00:22:46,116 --> 00:22:47,701
I mean, I know this is the
middle of the desert,
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00:22:47,701 --> 00:22:50,245
but there's also a lot of people
around shooting their own guns.
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FLACO: Uh-hmm.
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MARIANA: This is not somewhere
that makes you nervous?
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00:22:55,500 --> 00:23:00,005
MARIANA: They're right,
the canyon is crawling
with legal gun owners.
436
00:23:01,798 --> 00:23:05,135
These two gangsters are
hiding in plain sight.
437
00:23:05,969 --> 00:23:09,556
But they're not shooting for
fun, like Dutch and his buddies.
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00:23:10,057 --> 00:23:12,309
They're making sure these
weapons are primed for
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00:23:12,309 --> 00:23:14,686
future gang hits.
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00:23:15,145 --> 00:23:17,648
(gunshots)
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00:23:24,571 --> 00:23:26,531
MARIANA: In your guy's case,
running a business.
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00:23:26,531 --> 00:23:28,450
(gunshots)
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00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:30,661
An illegal
business in this case.
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00:23:36,375 --> 00:23:39,753
MARIANA: Getting caught isn't
something these two worry about.
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00:23:41,588 --> 00:23:44,508
They already have buyers
waiting for them in the city.
446
00:23:45,926 --> 00:23:47,302
♪ Oh! ♪
447
00:23:47,302 --> 00:23:49,888
♪ I got to make me a gun ♪
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00:23:51,723 --> 00:23:53,975
MARIANA: It's hard for me
to imagine ghost guns aren't
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00:23:53,975 --> 00:23:56,937
having an impact in
America's rising gun violence.
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00:23:58,522 --> 00:24:02,901
The industry is ripe for
exploitation, but a true
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00:24:02,901 --> 00:24:07,239
black market isn't built on
backyard operations.
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00:24:08,907 --> 00:24:11,660
You need to scale up.
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00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,288
♪ Hit me, not for fun,
I got to make me a gun ♪
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00:24:15,956 --> 00:24:19,626
♪ Clearly not for fun, I
got to make me a gun ♪
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MARIANA: And I've heard rumors
that something much bigger is
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00:24:22,045 --> 00:24:26,007
taking place right here,
in the Rocky Mountains.
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00:24:32,514 --> 00:24:33,932
When I started
looking into this story.
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00:24:33,932 --> 00:24:37,227
I didn't ever imagine
that I would end up in Denver.
459
00:24:37,227 --> 00:24:40,063
It's not a place that you
think of when you think of
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00:24:40,063 --> 00:24:42,399
guns or gangs.
461
00:24:42,399 --> 00:24:45,694
But it might be the center of
an interstate pipeline that
462
00:24:45,694 --> 00:24:51,116
proves ghosts guns
are the future of
American gun trafficking.
463
00:24:58,415 --> 00:25:00,751
♪ ♪
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00:25:01,418 --> 00:25:04,880
MARIANA: So quite the
setup you have here.
465
00:25:05,297 --> 00:25:08,133
And who, these guys
all work with you?
466
00:25:14,097 --> 00:25:16,933
MARIANA: Denver isn't my usual
beat, so I had some colleagues
467
00:25:16,933 --> 00:25:18,977
connect me with this man.
468
00:25:18,977 --> 00:25:22,773
By day, he's the owner of a
retail store that sells toys,
469
00:25:22,773 --> 00:25:25,817
T-shirts and custom sneakers,
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00:25:25,817 --> 00:25:28,487
but at night, he runs a
black market business
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00:25:28,487 --> 00:25:30,822
out of the back office.
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00:25:30,822 --> 00:25:34,534
As for the other men in
the room, I'm not so sure.
473
00:25:37,329 --> 00:25:38,330
MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
474
00:25:43,752 --> 00:25:45,087
MARIANA: A silencer kit?
475
00:25:46,463 --> 00:25:47,714
MARIANA: Holy moly.
476
00:25:54,429 --> 00:25:55,972
MARIANA: And this is
completely illegal.
477
00:25:57,641 --> 00:25:59,101
MARIANA: How did you
come up with this idea?
478
00:26:03,605 --> 00:26:06,525
MARIANA: That reason is guns.
479
00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:09,986
Getting a ghost gun is easy,
480
00:26:09,986 --> 00:26:13,115
but not as easy as I've
been led to believe.
481
00:26:15,075 --> 00:26:18,453
California has some
of the country's most
restrictive gun laws.
482
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:22,165
There's all kinds of hardware
that ghost gun companies can't
483
00:26:22,165 --> 00:26:26,878
ship into the States, but I saw
those outlawed parts in action.
484
00:26:27,170 --> 00:26:29,131
(gunshots)
485
00:26:29,131 --> 00:26:32,467
Colorado's laws are looser,
and I suspect criminals are
486
00:26:32,467 --> 00:26:37,222
using Denver as a kind of way
station or weapons depot,
487
00:26:37,222 --> 00:26:40,600
the nexus of a larger pipeline.
488
00:26:40,892 --> 00:26:43,353
And who's buying
this, this from you?
489
00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:46,773
Have you sold to criminals?
490
00:26:55,532 --> 00:26:57,576
MARIANA: I love how you're
going, you're going in circles
491
00:26:57,576 --> 00:27:00,954
and not wanting to tell me
about what the business is.
492
00:27:00,954 --> 00:27:05,792
My contacts may be connected to
the pipeline I'm searching for,
493
00:27:05,792 --> 00:27:07,961
but with some black
market operators,
494
00:27:07,961 --> 00:27:10,589
if you push too far,
they clam up.
495
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:24,686
MARIANA: My line of work
takes trust, but here,
496
00:27:24,686 --> 00:27:28,064
I'm a stranger in
a strange town.
497
00:27:30,775 --> 00:27:34,195
I reach back out to my
colleagues for another way in.
498
00:27:37,991 --> 00:27:40,201
Apparently, he's waiting for
us on the side of the road
499
00:27:40,201 --> 00:27:42,370
somewhere here.
500
00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:44,706
Yeah, he says
he's here already.
501
00:27:44,706 --> 00:27:46,207
Do you guys see him?
502
00:27:46,207 --> 00:27:48,585
I don't see anyone.
503
00:27:48,585 --> 00:27:50,378
Oh, I think it's
him right here.
504
00:27:50,378 --> 00:27:51,880
Yeah.
505
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,549
I think this is him.
506
00:27:56,301 --> 00:27:57,385
Hi.
507
00:27:57,385 --> 00:27:58,803
ABEL: Hello.
MARIANA: How are you?
508
00:27:58,803 --> 00:28:00,013
ABEL: How are you?
509
00:28:00,013 --> 00:28:01,306
MARIANA: So nice to
finally meet you.
510
00:28:01,306 --> 00:28:03,642
ABEL: Yeah.
How you doing?
511
00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:13,234
♪ ♪
512
00:28:17,781 --> 00:28:19,783
MARIANA: Who are
we meeting tonight?
513
00:28:19,783 --> 00:28:22,410
ABEL: We're going to go
meet a couple of my homies.
514
00:28:22,410 --> 00:28:24,412
This is what they do.
515
00:28:24,412 --> 00:28:26,790
He has customers that
will blow your mind.
516
00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:28,959
MARIANA: Really?
517
00:28:28,959 --> 00:28:30,710
His name is Abel.
518
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:34,464
Back in Miami, he was
a gang member who ran
with a violent crew.
519
00:28:35,131 --> 00:28:39,135
After spending several years
in jail, Abel moved to Denver,
520
00:28:39,135 --> 00:28:42,514
hoping to leave his
criminal past behind,
521
00:28:42,514 --> 00:28:46,434
but his connections to the
black market remain strong.
522
00:28:46,434 --> 00:28:51,106
And tonight, he's taking me
to meet a gun trafficker.
523
00:28:51,106 --> 00:28:53,066
ABEL: Him and his brother,
they're Surenos.
524
00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:54,943
MARIANA: Oh, he's a Sureno?
525
00:28:54,943 --> 00:28:56,736
ABEL: Yeah.
526
00:28:56,736 --> 00:28:59,280
MARIANA: So that's a
Mexican cartel, basically?
527
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,824
ABEL: Yeah, yeah.
528
00:29:00,824 --> 00:29:02,659
MARIANA: That operates.
ABEL: Everywhere.
529
00:29:02,659 --> 00:29:04,119
MARIANA: Heavily here
in the U.S., as well.
530
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:05,662
ABEL: Yeah.
531
00:29:05,662 --> 00:29:07,789
MARIANA: Though the Surenos
have their strongest presence
532
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:10,875
in Southern California, the
gang is believed to have some
533
00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:14,838
30,000 members
spread across 35 states.
534
00:29:15,171 --> 00:29:17,298
Are the Surenos big
in Denver right now?
535
00:29:17,298 --> 00:29:19,676
ABEL: From what I see, yeah.
536
00:29:20,552 --> 00:29:22,262
MARIANA: And why is it?
537
00:29:22,262 --> 00:29:25,390
Why do you think there's such
a demand for, for these guns?
538
00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:27,267
ABEL: Because people do
a lot of dumb (bleep).
539
00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:30,687
And nobody wants to be
held accountable for that.
540
00:29:37,193 --> 00:29:38,653
MARIANA: Is that him?
541
00:29:38,653 --> 00:29:42,282
ABEL: Yup. That's him.
542
00:29:42,282 --> 00:29:44,534
MARIANA: Okay.
That's our guy.
543
00:29:44,534 --> 00:29:46,119
It's okay to get out?
544
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,246
ABEL: Yeah, yeah.
Let's go.
545
00:29:52,083 --> 00:29:54,961
MARIANA: Abel's contact
asked me to call him "Johnny".
546
00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:56,379
JOHNNY: Yo.
547
00:29:56,379 --> 00:29:58,256
MARIANA: And confirms that
he is, in fact, a Sureno.
548
00:30:20,403 --> 00:30:21,780
MARIANA: Do you mind
putting the gun down?
549
00:30:21,780 --> 00:30:23,656
Only because we're, it's
making me really nervous.
550
00:30:24,532 --> 00:30:26,785
MARIANA: With the light and
people passing but you're not.
551
00:30:26,785 --> 00:30:28,286
JOHNNY: Yeah, you're good.
MARIANA: You're okay here?
552
00:30:30,163 --> 00:30:32,082
MARIANA: I don't know.
553
00:30:32,082 --> 00:30:34,334
We're under an underpass
with cars passing, and
I'm getting super nervous.
554
00:30:34,334 --> 00:30:35,960
JOHNNY: Yeah. For sure.
555
00:30:38,838 --> 00:30:40,256
MARIANA: So this is all 3D.
556
00:30:40,256 --> 00:30:41,299
JOHNNY: The plastic, yeah.
Everything.
557
00:30:41,299 --> 00:30:42,592
MARIANA: This is all plastic?
558
00:30:44,594 --> 00:30:46,763
MARIANA: Oh, wow.
Doesn't look plastic at all.
559
00:30:51,267 --> 00:30:52,477
MARIANA: Can I hold it?
560
00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:58,149
MARIANA: Wow.
So this is an AR?
561
00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:10,411
MARIANA: Really, the
shotguns is what every.
562
00:31:11,704 --> 00:31:14,332
MARIANA: Johnny and his
brother print these shotguns
563
00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:18,002
for 200 to 300 bucks, then they
sell them for roughly a grand.
564
00:31:18,586 --> 00:31:22,090
They use a 3D printer and
order the other parts via
565
00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:25,969
80% build kits, just like
Dutch and his buddies.
566
00:31:28,346 --> 00:31:31,349
And even though Johnny is
an ex-con who isn't legally
567
00:31:31,349 --> 00:31:33,601
permitted to own firearms,
568
00:31:33,601 --> 00:31:37,689
the laws around ghost guns
are so easy to outsmart,
569
00:31:38,982 --> 00:31:42,861
that Johnny now prints three to
four guns every couple days.
570
00:31:44,362 --> 00:31:46,656
And where do you get, like,
the, the, the drawings for
571
00:31:46,656 --> 00:31:48,616
the, what to print?
572
00:31:48,616 --> 00:31:51,536
Where do you think
Johnny gets them from?
573
00:31:51,536 --> 00:31:54,622
From Cody Wilson's company,
Defense Distributed.
574
00:32:06,551 --> 00:32:12,932
♪ ♪
575
00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:18,730
MARIANA: Why do you think
these guns are so popular?
576
00:32:34,454 --> 00:32:38,416
MARIANA: Do you think that
the guns you're selling
are being used to kill?
577
00:32:38,416 --> 00:32:39,792
JOHNNY: Yeah.
578
00:32:43,922 --> 00:32:47,258
MARIANA: These guns aren't
"ending up" in the wrong hands.
579
00:32:47,258 --> 00:32:52,430
Those hands are reaching
out to Johnny and he's
eagerly supplying them.
580
00:32:54,265 --> 00:32:55,266
MARIANA: You don't?
581
00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:56,643
MARIANA: Why not?
582
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,025
MARIANA: Johnny isn't just a gun
trafficker, he's a gangster.
583
00:33:04,692 --> 00:33:06,861
He was born into the Surenos.
584
00:33:06,861 --> 00:33:10,156
His family has been a part
of the gang for generations.
585
00:33:10,531 --> 00:33:14,118
But I'm surprised to discover
Johnny actually grew up in LA,
586
00:33:14,118 --> 00:33:18,206
mere miles from where I
saw Flaco's operation.
587
00:33:18,206 --> 00:33:22,043
So this is a weird question,
but we actually, I know a group
588
00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:24,170
that I was filming
with last week in LA,
589
00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:29,175
that coincidentally came to
Denver to buy ghost guns.
590
00:33:29,175 --> 00:33:32,512
This group, they're
called the (bleep).
591
00:33:33,054 --> 00:33:35,807
After talking to Johnny for
a while, I had a hunch that
592
00:33:35,807 --> 00:33:38,559
maybe he knew Tiny and Flaco.
593
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,146
And when I ask, he tells me
not only does he know them,
594
00:33:42,146 --> 00:33:44,565
he, in fact, does
business with them.
595
00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:45,608
So they buy guns
from you guys?
596
00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:51,447
MARIANA: Wow, that's crazy.
597
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:53,992
MARIANA: Yeah.
It's a small world.
598
00:33:53,992 --> 00:33:56,035
I can't believe that.
599
00:33:56,035 --> 00:33:57,245
So I guess you guys are the
people to buy guns from if
you're coming to Denver?
600
00:34:00,623 --> 00:34:03,835
MARIANA: I'm genuinely shocked
by this trafficking pipeline,
601
00:34:03,835 --> 00:34:08,172
one that connects
the Rocky Mountains to
Downtown Los Angeles,
602
00:34:08,172 --> 00:34:12,302
arming gang members
all along the way.
603
00:34:12,302 --> 00:34:14,762
Johnny says his printing
operation goes even further
604
00:34:14,762 --> 00:34:18,141
than that, supplying ghost
guns to the Midwest and
605
00:34:18,141 --> 00:34:21,227
even to Mexico's cartels.
606
00:34:21,227 --> 00:34:26,649
What about groups, scarier
groups than gangs, even.
607
00:34:26,649 --> 00:34:28,026
Like what about, have you?
608
00:34:29,527 --> 00:34:30,903
MARIANA: Yeah, yeah.
609
00:34:30,903 --> 00:34:32,113
Actually, I wasn't going
to ask that, but have you?
610
00:34:41,414 --> 00:34:42,540
MARIANA: Wow!
JOHNNY: Yeah.
611
00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:47,920
MARIANA: It's a
frightening admission.
612
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,842
One that dovetails perfectly
with something Cody Wilson said.
613
00:34:53,092 --> 00:34:55,219
And who are your, who
are your customers?
614
00:34:55,219 --> 00:34:56,679
Who's buying this stuff?
615
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,222
CODY: It's always hard to
characterize them, but they
616
00:34:58,222 --> 00:35:00,683
skew older men, decent
technical experience,
617
00:35:00,683 --> 00:35:03,269
maybe there's some military
experience, but in general,
618
00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:06,272
that, that sweet spot of that
January 6th rioter, probably.
619
00:35:06,272 --> 00:35:08,483
You know, someone like that.
620
00:35:08,483 --> 00:35:11,402
(shouting)
621
00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:15,823
MARIANA: It's clear to me
now that the entire ghost gun
622
00:35:15,823 --> 00:35:20,203
industry is helping create
a violent black market,
623
00:35:20,203 --> 00:35:23,748
one that may be spreading
beyond the streets.
624
00:35:26,584 --> 00:35:30,963
(gunshots)
625
00:35:41,933 --> 00:35:44,310
MARIANA: The number of attacks
by anti-government groups are
626
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:47,063
at the highest
they've been in decades.
627
00:35:47,063 --> 00:35:48,856
DUNCAN: Go.
628
00:35:48,856 --> 00:35:51,567
MARIANA: Today, there
are some 500 of them
in the United States.
629
00:35:51,567 --> 00:35:54,946
With thousands of members.
630
00:35:54,946 --> 00:35:55,947
DUNCAN: Set!
631
00:35:55,947 --> 00:35:57,156
(gunshot)
632
00:35:57,156 --> 00:35:58,950
MARIANA: The ones I've
arranged to meet tonight
633
00:35:58,950 --> 00:36:02,203
belong to the Boogaloo Bois.
634
00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:04,247
And what is it about
the government that
you don't agree with?
635
00:36:08,334 --> 00:36:12,004
MARIANA: The Boogaloo movement
started online in 2010 as a
636
00:36:12,004 --> 00:36:15,925
loose collection of extreme
voices preparing for a second
637
00:36:15,925 --> 00:36:19,721
civil war, what they
nicknamed "The Boogaloo."
638
00:36:20,596 --> 00:36:24,517
But by 2020, members took
their outrage offline and
639
00:36:24,517 --> 00:36:27,854
onto the streets, showing up
armed and wearing bright
640
00:36:27,854 --> 00:36:31,983
Hawaiian shirts at various
protests across the country.
641
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,444
EXPERT (over computer):
They bring guns, they
don't like the police,
642
00:36:34,444 --> 00:36:36,112
and they're attracted to chaos.
643
00:36:36,112 --> 00:36:38,114
MARIANA: Violence
wasn't far behind.
644
00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:39,782
REPORTER (over TV): A
self-avowed Boogaloo member.
645
00:36:39,782 --> 00:36:41,284
REPORTER (over TV): Fired
what's called a ghost gun.
646
00:36:41,284 --> 00:36:43,619
REPORTER (over TV): Connected
to the deaths of two officers.
647
00:36:43,619 --> 00:36:45,663
MAN (over TV): They
came to Oakland to kill cops.
648
00:36:45,663 --> 00:36:48,207
REPORTER (over TV): A plan
to kidnap Michigan Governor
Gretchen Whitmer.
649
00:36:49,834 --> 00:36:51,753
MARIANA: Is there a point that
you guys see that you'll need
650
00:36:51,753 --> 00:36:55,298
to use your guns against the
government and the police?
651
00:37:04,432 --> 00:37:05,767
MARIANA: Are you serious?
652
00:37:08,144 --> 00:37:11,647
MARIANA: So, as an American
citizen myself, and being at
653
00:37:11,647 --> 00:37:14,192
home that day, and watching
the news, and seeing people
654
00:37:14,192 --> 00:37:18,946
attacking our democracy, it
was incredibly shocking and sad.
655
00:37:18,946 --> 00:37:20,823
It was a really
sad day for me.
656
00:37:20,823 --> 00:37:24,410
PROTESTERS: Treason!
Treason! Treason!
657
00:37:24,744 --> 00:37:26,537
MARIANA: So to hear you say
that you want this to happen
658
00:37:26,537 --> 00:37:31,584
again with armed people next
time is, is troubling to me.
659
00:37:39,759 --> 00:37:41,761
MARIANA: And you would
join the people that were
taking it up a notch?
660
00:37:45,348 --> 00:37:47,850
(police officer screaming).
661
00:37:47,850 --> 00:37:50,478
MARIANA: All of this
sounds like anarchy.
662
00:37:50,478 --> 00:37:52,855
It sounds like America's
criminals have discovered the
663
00:37:52,855 --> 00:37:57,443
perfect weapon, one that they
can use against rival gangs,
664
00:37:57,443 --> 00:38:01,697
the government, and even
the people closest to us.
665
00:38:17,004 --> 00:38:20,508
♪ ♪
666
00:38:20,508 --> 00:38:22,510
(gunshots)
667
00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:24,178
KEN: You hear gunfire
in a rural area,
668
00:38:24,178 --> 00:38:27,265
it's nothing that's new.
669
00:38:28,266 --> 00:38:31,060
It's, it's part of
the environment.
670
00:38:31,477 --> 00:38:34,105
But there was something about
this one that made it different.
671
00:38:34,105 --> 00:38:38,693
(gunshots)
672
00:38:40,695 --> 00:38:44,031
MARIANA: It was the morning
of November 14th, 2017.
673
00:38:45,157 --> 00:38:47,994
What fourth grade teacher
Ken Yuers didn't know was
674
00:38:47,994 --> 00:38:50,663
that by the time he heard
gunfire, the shooter had
675
00:38:50,663 --> 00:38:54,750
already murdered his own
wife and two neighbors.
676
00:38:55,001 --> 00:38:56,210
OPERATOR (over phone): 911.
677
00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:57,545
WOMAN (over phone):
Someone's been shot.
678
00:38:57,545 --> 00:38:59,714
MAN (over phone): He shot,
he shot my uncle!
679
00:38:59,714 --> 00:39:00,965
MAN (over phone): Initially
we opened the door and he
started shooting at us.
680
00:39:00,965 --> 00:39:02,174
MAN (Nver phone): Oh, my God.
681
00:39:02,174 --> 00:39:03,634
OPERATOR (over phone):
Which way did he go?
682
00:39:03,634 --> 00:39:06,554
MARIANA: And was heading
towards the elementary school.
683
00:39:07,179 --> 00:39:10,725
The gunman smashed through
the school's gates and
684
00:39:10,725 --> 00:39:14,729
opened fire with a
semi-automatic assault rifle.
685
00:39:15,646 --> 00:39:19,442
KEN: My senses were
completely overwhelmed
with what was going down.
686
00:39:19,442 --> 00:39:22,903
This is an actual attack on our
school, this guy has an AR-15.
687
00:39:22,903 --> 00:39:24,947
I can't even explain it.
688
00:39:24,947 --> 00:39:26,616
MAN (over phone): There's
shooting at Rancho Tehama.
689
00:39:26,616 --> 00:39:27,909
There's a white
truck ramming the gate.
690
00:39:27,909 --> 00:39:29,493
WOMAN (over phone):
All kinds of gunfire.
691
00:39:29,493 --> 00:39:31,454
KEN: And then I heard him just
opening up on that quad area.
692
00:39:31,454 --> 00:39:32,872
WOMAN (over phone): A bunch
of gunshots are going off,
693
00:39:32,872 --> 00:39:34,373
people are yelling "Help!"
694
00:39:34,373 --> 00:39:36,417
KEN: You're going through a
shooting, and seconds matter
695
00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:38,669
and the police are minutes
away, and not even minutes,
696
00:39:38,669 --> 00:39:41,505
I mean 15-20 minutes, it was
such a long time to be at the
697
00:39:41,505 --> 00:39:44,842
mercy of a maniac.
698
00:39:44,842 --> 00:39:47,428
MARIANA: Six-year-old
Alejandro Hernandez was
699
00:39:47,428 --> 00:39:50,139
huddled inside his
kindergarten classroom
700
00:39:50,139 --> 00:39:53,434
while the gunman was firing
through the walls and windows.
701
00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:56,103
REPORTER (over TV): Opening fir
at seven different locations.
702
00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:58,314
REPORTER (over TV):
Semi-automatic rifle in hand.
703
00:39:58,314 --> 00:40:00,775
REPORTER (over TV): Fired
at least 30 rounds.
704
00:40:00,775 --> 00:40:03,235
MARIANA: Once police
began chasing the shooter,
705
00:40:03,235 --> 00:40:06,572
Alejandro's mother received an
urgent call from the school.
706
00:40:07,573 --> 00:40:09,158
ANGELICA: First she
told me, "Sit down."
707
00:40:09,158 --> 00:40:11,994
And the moment when she told
me to sit down, I, yeah,
708
00:40:11,994 --> 00:40:15,998
I knew there was something,
you know, happening.
709
00:40:25,132 --> 00:40:30,763
ANGELICA: I got shocked,
it was really hard.
710
00:40:34,934 --> 00:40:39,605
MARIANA: I have a son as well,
the same age, and it's,
711
00:40:39,605 --> 00:40:43,651
I think, the biggest worry.
712
00:40:43,651 --> 00:40:44,860
ANGELICA: Yeah.
713
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:46,862
MARIANA: The most scary
thing for every mom's.
714
00:40:46,862 --> 00:40:49,198
ANGELICA: Uh-hmm.
MARIANA: And father's mind.
715
00:40:49,198 --> 00:40:52,952
ANGELICA: You never
know when it will happen.
716
00:40:52,952 --> 00:40:56,247
MARIANA: Alejandro Hernandez
took two direct hits.
717
00:40:56,247 --> 00:40:58,791
Thankfully, he survived.
718
00:40:59,166 --> 00:41:03,254
But I didn't come to
Rancho Tehama to learn
more about the murders.
719
00:41:03,254 --> 00:41:06,799
I came here to prove a
point about the murder weapon.
720
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,177
KEN: I do believe in
the Second Amendment.
721
00:41:10,177 --> 00:41:12,722
But I come to find out
later he had been told back in
722
00:41:12,722 --> 00:41:15,141
January of 2017,
the judge told him,
723
00:41:15,141 --> 00:41:16,892
"You need to turn in
all your weapons."
724
00:41:16,892 --> 00:41:18,102
MARIANA: He wasn't
allowed to own a gun?
725
00:41:18,102 --> 00:41:20,896
KEN: Correct! He was not
allowed to own a gun.
726
00:41:20,896 --> 00:41:23,607
MARIANA: Like the gangsters I
met, the Rancho Tehama gunman
727
00:41:23,607 --> 00:41:27,570
wasn't allowed to possess a
firearm, but because gun parts
728
00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:33,284
aren't regulated like guns,
he was able to order a
ghost gun online.
729
00:41:33,743 --> 00:41:34,910
CODY: It's a game.
MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
730
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:36,620
CODY: Why can't I
play this game?
731
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:39,790
MARIANA: If this is in
fact a game, then we're
the ones being played.
732
00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:41,834
DISPATCH: Shots fired,
multiple calls coming in.
733
00:41:41,834 --> 00:41:43,669
REPORTER (over TV): A shooting
outside a Manhattan night club.
734
00:41:43,669 --> 00:41:44,879
MAN: We opened the door and
he started shooting at us.
735
00:41:44,879 --> 00:41:46,630
MAN: Hey. We need an
ambulance, immediately.
736
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:47,882
OPERATOR (over phone): How
many shots did you hear?
737
00:41:47,882 --> 00:41:49,008
WOMAN (over phone):
Like, four or five.
738
00:41:49,008 --> 00:41:50,259
MAN: No.
739
00:41:50,259 --> 00:41:54,180
(crying)
740
00:41:55,055 --> 00:41:59,268
CODY: What we accidentally did
was create the Second Amendment,
741
00:41:59,268 --> 00:42:01,520
if it didn't exist beforehand.
742
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,315
If there's a right to keep and
bear arms, whatever that means,
743
00:42:04,315 --> 00:42:05,941
then you've got it.
744
00:42:05,941 --> 00:42:10,196
MARIANA: Sure, but so does
everyone else, and that's not
745
00:42:10,196 --> 00:42:12,907
what America's founding
fathers intended.
746
00:42:13,532 --> 00:42:16,035
There's a difference between
a free marketplace
747
00:42:16,035 --> 00:42:17,661
and a free-for-all.
748
00:42:21,707 --> 00:42:24,168
MARIANA: Ironically, it was
the gangsters I met who were
749
00:42:24,168 --> 00:42:27,713
the most honest about the impact
of the ghost gun industry.
750
00:42:27,713 --> 00:42:29,965
Do you think the gun
manufacturers feel threatened
751
00:42:29,965 --> 00:42:32,802
at all by the fact that
these are becoming so popular?
752
00:42:46,857 --> 00:42:48,359
MARIANA: I couldn't agree more.
753
00:42:48,359 --> 00:42:51,195
From what I've seen, ghost
guns are like a black market
754
00:42:51,195 --> 00:42:54,115
disguised as a legal one.
755
00:42:54,115 --> 00:42:57,034
And that's not
something to cheer.
756
00:42:57,034 --> 00:42:59,662
Unless you think guns belong
in the hands of gangsters,
757
00:42:59,662 --> 00:43:01,539
underage kids,
758
00:43:01,539 --> 00:43:05,376
or extremists trying to
overthrow our government.
759
00:43:06,001 --> 00:43:11,173
♪ ♪
760
00:43:13,509 --> 00:43:15,928
Do you wish that there
were clearer laws in place?
761
00:43:15,928 --> 00:43:17,388
RYAN: Absolutely.
762
00:43:17,388 --> 00:43:19,223
I, I think there's certain
people that have lost their
763
00:43:19,223 --> 00:43:20,975
privilege to
possess a firearm.
764
00:43:20,975 --> 00:43:22,476
POLICE OFFICER:
Search warrant!
765
00:43:22,476 --> 00:43:24,145
BIDEN: And today, the United
States Department of Justice
766
00:43:24,145 --> 00:43:25,813
is making it illegal.
767
00:43:25,813 --> 00:43:30,025
To manufacture one of
these kits without a
serial number, illegal.
768
00:43:30,317 --> 00:43:32,111
MARIANA: Though the Biden
administration is attempting
769
00:43:32,111 --> 00:43:35,364
to regulate the sale of
at-home build kits,
770
00:43:35,364 --> 00:43:38,325
experts fear this won't make
much difference because the
771
00:43:38,325 --> 00:43:42,163
parts themselves remain
legal and available.
772
00:43:51,046 --> 00:43:53,757
MARIANA: It's time for
Americans to ask themselves.
773
00:43:53,757 --> 00:43:56,177
♪ The son of a gun ♪
774
00:43:56,177 --> 00:43:58,888
(gunshots)
775
00:43:58,888 --> 00:44:00,764
REPORTER (over TV): A shooting
outside a Manhattan night club.
776
00:44:00,764 --> 00:44:04,226
WOMAN (over phone): How many
shots did you hear?
777
00:44:04,226 --> 00:44:06,645
MARIANA: Is this a
price we're willing to pay?
778
00:44:06,645 --> 00:44:07,897
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