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(gunshots)
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REPORTER: A wild shoot‐out on
the streets of the Bronx.
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Tonight, a 51‐year‐old
grandfather shot dead
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in broad daylight.
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VAN ZELLER: I've seen plenty
of violence in my career,
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but a professional hit like
this caught my attention.
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The killing was allegedly
part of an ongoing turf war,
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but not between rival street
gangs or mafia crime families.
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These men were from
rival motorcycle clubs.
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KOZLOWSKI: That One Percenter
patch is declaring 99%
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of everybody else are
law‐abiding citizens,
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we are the 1% that
are the criminals.
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They wear that as
a badge of honor.
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STEWART:
Some people might judge
us for the symbols that we wear,
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but if that makes
us outlaws, so be it.
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VAN ZELLER: These clubs are a
contradiction on two wheels.
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Proudly and loudly
public on American roads.
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Holy (bleep).
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And yet, notoriously secret
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about what membership
truly entails.
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MAN: You live outside the law.
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There's just that 1% of guys
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that don't give a
(bleep) about the law...
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About the (bleep) cops...
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None of that (bleep).
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VAN ZELLER:
What's motivating the violence?
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Who's calling the shots?
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And what does it really
mean to be in the 1%?
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(train approaching)
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VAN ZELLER:
Within the biker world,
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certain motorcycle
clubs have a reputation
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for violence and secrecy.
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The Vagos are one
of those clubs.
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STEWART:
Traditionally, our club has been
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one of the most
tight‐lipped of them all.
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But I am a fan of
opening people's eyes.
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VAN ZELLER:
That's how I end up at this bar
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with the club's
international president,
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a man they call...
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STEWART: There we go.
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VAN ZELLER: Bigfoot.
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STEWART: I started riding
Harley Davidsons in my mid‐20s
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and it didn't take
long to discover
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that these One Percenter clubs
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dictate the life and,
I wanted to have a say.
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VAN ZELLER:
The term "One Percenter"
comes from the
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American Motorcycle Association
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which claims that 99% of bikers
are law‐abiding citizens.
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The implication proudly embraced
by certain clubs like the Vagos,
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is that the other 1%
live by their own rules.
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STEWART: We say to the
world we understand
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what American written law is,
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but we believe some of
it to be horse (bleep).
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If you say something
horrible to me,
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the law says I'm not allowed to
punch you in the mouth for it.
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VAN ZELLER: Right.
STEWART: We say we can.
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And we accept whatever
punishment comes with that.
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And let me tell you this.
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We don't (bleep) hate cops.
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But what we, we don't like
are the dirty portion of them,
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who like to stand before a
group of mainstream media press,
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and then, they like to call
us the Mafia on two wheels.
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VAN ZELLER: They call
you gangs, right?
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STEWART: Yeah, gangs.
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VAN ZELLER:
They don't call you clubs.
They call you gangs.
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STEWART: They
love to use that word.
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Gang, gang, gang.
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VAN ZELLER: Why is it
that there's so much, um,
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animosity between
different clubs?
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STEWART: I wouldn't
say that there is.
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VAN ZELLER: So you
guys are best friends
with all the other clubs.
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STEWART: I wouldn't
say that either.
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Our club motto is
"We give what we get".
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VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
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STEWART: And sometimes
it results in some
really rough stuff.
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VAN ZELLER: What about murder?
STEWART: What about it?
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VAN ZELLER: That you guys
have been involved in murder.
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STEWART: Well, every
once in a while,
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a melee between a couple of guys
or a couple of clubs go at it.
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Maybe, maybe a guy dies.
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When we go into this life,
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we know that that is
something that could happen.
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OFFICER:
Members of the Vagos
motorcycle gang were armed.
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VAN ZELLER: The
Vagos have a bloody history.
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OFFICER: They are an immediate
threat to the public safety.
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VAN ZELLER: But it's hard
to get anyone to say
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what's behind the violence.
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One of the things that you
hear all the time is that
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"Motorcycle clubs are involved
in drug trafficking."
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STEWART: It's false.
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VAN ZELLER: And that's not
something you've ever witnessed,
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or saw, or you do
not condone that?
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STEWART: As far as the Vagos
motorcycle club being
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some amazingly disorganized
yet organized drug empire,
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forget about it.
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Not a chance.
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I mean, of course, I'm on film,
I wouldn't say it if we were,
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but I mean, it's
utterly ridiculous.
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I don't know what every
single guy does for a living.
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I mean, I have no doubt that
there might be a couple of guys
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that are up to no good.
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I don't judge my brothers,
that's their business.
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VAN ZELLER:
Bigfoot wants me to believe in
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what's called
"The bad apple" defense.
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The idea that the
entire club isn't criminal,
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just a few bad apples.
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I'm suspicious, but I just
don't know enough to know
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if he's telling me the truth.
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I need to better
understand these bikers.
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I need to go to Sturgis.
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(cheering)
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VAN ZELLER:
For 10 days, every August,
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the tiny town of
Sturgis, South Dakota
gets a little rowdy.
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VAN ZELLER:
That's what happens when the
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city of 7,000 people plays
host to half a million.
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Most of them in leather.
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Who comes to Sturgis?
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MONTHEY: Everybody.
It's all walks of lives.
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You have doctors and
attorneys that are here.
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You have people that
are homeless here
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and everybody in between.
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VAN ZELLER:
But there's a darker side
to the Sturgis motorcycle rally.
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That's why I'm here.
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And why Shane comes too,
14 years running.
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MONTHEY: I work for the
local police department.
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VAN ZELLER:
He's one of the more
than 100 law enforcement agents
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brought in from other
cities to patrol the event.
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Over the years, Sturgis has
seen plenty of violence.
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MAN: It's really intense, man,
they were going at it,
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the Mongols and
the Hells Angels.
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MONTHEY: I've
witnessed a shooting.
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I've witnessed a stabbing, and
then just your basic assaults.
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VAN ZELLER: Shane says most
of the trouble originates
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with One Percenters.
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MONTHEY:
Laws don't apply to them.
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VAN ZELLER: So you don't
think they're afraid
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of law enforcement at all?
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MONTHEY: You know, if
they want to do something,
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they're going to do it.
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VAN ZELLER: As a journalist,
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if I'm trying to get
into these clubs
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and see how
they operate, um,
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do you think that's
an easy thing to do?
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MONTHEY: I would say no.
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I would say good luck.
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VAN ZELLER: I hit the
streets of Sturgis,
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eager to find another way in.
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What's strange about this story,
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especially compared to other
investigations I've done,
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is that these One Percenters
aren't hard to find.
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They literally wear their
allegiances on their backs.
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But that doesn't mean
they want to talk.
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These One Percenter
clubs are so secretive,
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that some of them don't
even stay in Sturgis.
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They stay outside of town,
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at private campgrounds
that apparently, get wild.
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Searching for an invite,
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I reach out to a biker turned
radio host named "Hollywood."
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Who I hear is popular
with the One Percenters.
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MACECARI: And welcome
to this edition of
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Motorcycle Madhouse Radio.
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Thanks for joining us.
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(phone ringing)
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MACECERI (over phone):This is Hollywood.
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VAN ZELLER: Hi, Hollywood.
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It's Mariana.
How are you doing?
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It's a long shot, but I
asked if he can get me
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inside one of these campgrounds.
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To my surprise,
he comes through.
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That's where I'm heading now,
to meet a One Percenter club
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called the "Sons of Silence."
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VAN ZELLER: Why do you think
they agreed to speak to us then?
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VAN ZELLER: So when I see
the guard and the gate,
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I'll ask you guys to
put the cameras down.
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Which I think is here actually,
so cameras down.
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We're here. We're here.
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I have no idea what
we're walking into.
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(motorcycle engine)
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Okay.
So I hope this goes well.
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VAN ZELLER: There's
a steady drumbeat of violence
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within biker culture.
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My quest to understand why has
led me to the private campground
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of a One Percenter Club
called the Sons of Silence.
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It's like something
out of Mad Max.
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But our invite has come
with some restrictions.
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We can "Watch but not engage".
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Oh my God.
This is (bleep) crazy.
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What the (bleep)?
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No members can speak on camera
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without permission
from the leaders.
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So I'm stuck, just
looking at these men.
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(camera shutter)
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These faces.
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I find myself thinking about
the faces of their brothers.
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The ones I've seen in mug shots.
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REPORTER: Federal
authorities indicted members
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of the Sons of Silence
motorcycle gang.
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OFFICIAL: An illegal narcotics
trafficking organization.
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VAN ZELLER: In the 12 years,
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club members have been
convicted of everything,
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from selling meth and cocaine,
to sex trafficking,
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intimidation, extortion,
assault, abduction, and murder.
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That rap sheet is front of mind
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as I tour the grounds
campground with our minder,
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a biker named Cody,
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who wears an "Enforcer" patch.
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Do most members come?
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CODY: It's a mandatory run,
so everybody comes.
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VAN ZELLER: It's
mandatory to come?
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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Apparently, I'm not the only
one who's got rules to follow.
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What's this?
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CODY: Every chapter has a flag.
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And when they get here,
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they hang it on a
flag and raise it up.
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VAN ZELLER: Huh.
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How many are supposed to
be up here, do you know?
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CODY: I do.
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VAN ZELLER: You
don't wanna tell me?
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Okay.
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CODY: That's where
the silence part comes in.
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VAN ZELLER: How often is
it that you have cameras
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filming these events?
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CODY: Never.
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Never at all.
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VAN ZELLER: Okay.
BOAR: I'm game.
VAN ZELLER: Yeah?
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BOAR: It's your show, let's go.
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VAN ZELLER: The only members
we're allowed to interview
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are Cody and a man named Boar,
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who's been in the
club nearly 50 years,
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but even our interview
has strict rules attached.
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So I'm going to
ask you the questions
that we've agreed upon.
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BOAR: Uh‐hmm.
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VAN ZELLER: I'd say
it's the first time that I have
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a list of
questions in front of me
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because I usually like it to
be more of a conversation.
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But we've agreed
upon these questions
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and I believe you have
answers in front of you.
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So, first question is,
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what attracts people
to motorcycle clubs?
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BOAR: A lot of people
are attracted here
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due to the freedom and the
love of riding motorcycles.
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VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
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BOAR: The brotherhood
and the sense of family
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and belonging to something
bigger than yourself.
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VAN ZELLER: What makes
this brotherhood different
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than just regular friends?
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BOAR: A lot of these guys
we have in our club
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are veterans of every
war you can think of.
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When I came,
around 46 years ago,
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it was all Vietnam veterans.
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When they came home from
what they ever did elsewhere,
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they were told just to go
home and be happy you're home.
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VAN ZELLER: Many
of these returning soldiers
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struggled to adjust,
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especially in the face
of a protest movement
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that often blamed
them for the failures
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and atrocities of the war.
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Seeking the camaraderie
they'd known while serving,
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many were drawn to these
civilian "Bands of brothers."
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MAN: This is freedom for me.
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What's real?
It ain't plastic.
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Society's creepy.
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Mind (bleep).
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BOAR: Some of the veterans
have had their fill of people.
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But here, they feel
like they're at home.
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This is where
everybody is accepted
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if this is where you want to be.
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And that's what
this was all about.
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VAN ZELLER: The military's
influence is telling,
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on the surface, the scene
feels wild and freewheeling
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but there's a structure
that lies beneath.
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The mandatory attendance.
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The flag displays.
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The organized competitions.
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They wear a different
kind of uniform,
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but they are still trained
to obey their leaders.
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BOAR: In our club,
it takes at least a year
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to be a full patch holder.
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VAN ZELLER: Potential members
must undergo a vetting process.
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"Prospects", as they're known,
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prove their commitment
to the club
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by following members' orders.
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It's not hard to spot these
prospects around camp.
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I see one tending the fire.
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Another one on his bike.
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They can only wear what's
called the "Bottom rocker",
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ID'ing their chapter.
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Only once accepted do they
become "Full patch" members
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and earn their "Colors",
the club's logo.
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BOAR: If they're not
satisfactory to what
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we're looking for,
we get rid of them.
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VAN ZELLER: Can I
ask you though,
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about the tattoos
and the meanings of the
tattoos and the patches?
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BOAR: Okay.
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VAN ZELLER: The "SS" which
you know was the elite team
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of the Nazis, right?
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Or does the "SS" represent
something else for you?
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CODY: For me, it does, but I'm
not going to talk about it.
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VAN ZELLER:
Cody may deny it,
but charges of racism and sexism
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have dogged these One Percenter
clubs through the years.
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BOAR: If you were a member,
you'd understand some tattoos
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are to keep people away.
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VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
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BOAR: And don't ask,
does that make sense?
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VAN ZELLER: Absolutely.
I won't ask about the
tattoos anymore then.
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BOAR: I didn't hear you.
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VAN ZELLER: I won't ask about
the tattoos anymore then.
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BOAR: Thank you.
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VAN ZELLER: But
I also won't stay on script.
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What exactly is an outlaw biker?
What does that mean?
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BOAR: That one, I don't
think is a good question.
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The police are
the ones that have deemed us
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to be "Outlaws."
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This is who we are,
what we are, and what we do.
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I think they're trying to
portray us as something we,
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we're not.
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VAN ZELLER: And it's, it is
working, because, you know,
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I've been to many places
in my life, but yet,
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I was intimidated coming here.
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I wasn't sure what to expect.
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Is that something that
you want to continue
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or is that something
that you're hoping
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will change your image
to the outside world?
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CODY: We don't give a (bleep)
what people think about us.
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VAN ZELLER: Right.
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But you also don't want people
to think that you are criminals.
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BOAR: We really don't care.
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We're not here to be
anything to anybody.
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We're here for us.
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VAN ZELLER:
Is it possible that
these One Percenters
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just have an image problem?
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That they aren't really
outlaws, just outcasts,
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wanting to be left alone?
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Unsure, I head back to LA, where
I connect with a new source,
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a biker who says he's
willing to open up
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about how these clubs really
operate from the inside.
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KOZLOWSKI:
That One Percenter patch
that you see on my vest here.
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They wear that as
a badge declaring,
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"Hey, we are a gang.
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We are a criminal
organization."
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They know what it means.
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The culture knows what it means.
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But they're not
going to say that.
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They're going to call themselves
a club, we're a motorcycle club,
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"We just like to do what we do
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because it's the freedom
of the riding."
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They're going to
distance themselves
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from any opportunity to say
that they're an actual gang.
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VAN ZELLER: How many
clubs did you infiltrate?
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KOZLOWSKI: Personally,
I've infiltrated
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three separate motorcycle gangs.
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And each one of them becoming a
full‐patch member in all three.
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VAN ZELLER: In all three, you
became a full‐patch member?
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KOZLOWSKI: Yes.
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VAN ZELLER: That's right.
This dude is a federal agent
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and within law
enforcement circles,
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a legend.
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His name is Darrin Kozlowski.
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Better known as "Koz."
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KOZLOWSKI: Between
1997 and 2008,
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I was undercover full time
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for approximately six
of those eleven years
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in those three gangs.
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VAN ZELLER:
Koz explains that these clubs
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had sold the public a story,
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the same story that the
Sons of Silence and Bigfoot
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tried to sell me.
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But the reality is much
dirtier and, he's lived it.
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♪ ♪
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KOZLOWSKI: As undercovers,
we are thinking the worst.
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People have been killed
even being suspected
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of being informants or snitches
for these kinds of gangs.
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And there's been murders
from people even thinking
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that they were informants,
and they even weren't.
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VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
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Darren Kozlowski lived
with that fear for years
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as an undercover
agent with the ATF,
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the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, and Firearms,
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he infiltrated three
of the most notorious
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One Percenter motorcycle clubs.
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The Vagos, Warlocks,
and Mongols.
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KOZLOWSKI: They'll make money
from any means necessary.
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They're opportunists, so if
it's the drug game, weapons,
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if it's prostitution,
they'll find a way to do it.
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And on top of that,
you'll have the other events
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that come along with it.
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The violence, the
fighting, the stabbings,
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the territorial disputes,
the murders.
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VAN ZELLER: Koz
explains that the brotherhood
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these clubs talk about is real
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and it's also what makes them
effective as criminal gangs.
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KOZLOWSKI: It gives them that
means to conduct their business
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with that level of trust.
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That separates them a little bit
differently from everybody else.
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And then when they're
getting some heat from
another rival gang,
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yeah, they can make
a phone call to LA
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and LA is going to send
100 dudes to that area
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and that's going to be
followed with intimidation,
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going into bars, acts of
violence, stabbings, beatings,
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whatever it may be to
establish themselves of the,
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to a point of dominance
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that we're not here
to be (bleep) with.
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VAN ZELLER: Koz tells me the
Bronx killing was the result
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of a classic turf rivalry.
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The Pagans were unhappy
that the Hells Angels
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had moved their clubhouse
into the Bronx.
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The beef escalated and the
Pagan leader was gunned down.
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KOZLOWSKI:
Because in their culture,
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that patch means so much, that
gang means so much to them,
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that's what they
live and die over.
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VAN ZELLER:
Weeks later, Koz tips me off
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to a One Percenter's funeral.
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A member of the Mongols
Motorcycle Club has died
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and his brothers are
gathering for a tradition
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called "The Last Ride".
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Wow, you can see all the
bikes already up there.
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CICCONE: Yeah, wait until
you see the procession.
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There's, there will
be 400 or 500 bikes.
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VAN ZELLER: Yeah?
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CICCONE: It's even impressive
for us and we've been
working it forever.
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VAN ZELLER:
But there's something
else that makes
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this funeral different, it's
being monitored by the feds.
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CICCONE:
They know that we're out here.
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VAN ZELLER: Yeah.
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CICCONE: This isn't like
a covert stealthy thing.
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That, you know, creates a
perception in their mind
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that we're still working them.
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And waiting for them to slip up.
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VAN ZELLER:
Special agent John Ciccone
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leads ATF's investigations
into One Percenter clubs
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in Southern California.
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During Koz's years undercover,
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he considered Ciccone
his guardian angel.
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CICCONE: So what's
gonna happen is,
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you're gonna have your
road captains, right?
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Which are these guys.
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And their job is to
block off intersections
as this thing proceeds,
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so it keeps the
whole pack together.
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VAN ZELLER: Are they allowed
to do this, to block the roads?
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CICCONE: No, but
who's gonna stop them.
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You're not going to get yourself
in the middle of all that,
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just because they run a red
light, you know what I mean?
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CICCONE:
There's a lot of 'em, man.
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VAN ZELLER:
The bikers fall into
formation, again,
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I sense the
military's influence.
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The Last Ride is
a show of respect,
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but it's also a very
public display of force.
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Oh, wow, so that's
the hearse right here.
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CICCONE: Yup, and then you
got one guy protecting it.
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One rider.
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VAN ZELLER: And then it's
just a sea of bikes behind.
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Wow, they're looking at us.
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CICCONE: Yeah, it's
going to get dicey.
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VAN ZELLER: Holy (bleep).
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I mean, the whole
car is shaking.
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Did you see that?
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He flipped a middle
finger at us.
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CICCONE: Yeah.
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VAN ZELLER: I'm truly.
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Like my body just
need a rest right now.
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So intense.
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CICCONE: I've
primarily worked the Mongols,
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so I know the most about them.
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They want to instill fear and
intimidation wherever they go.
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I consider them one of the
most violent out there.
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VAN ZELLER: Over
the years, ATF's work has led
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to several major takedowns.
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O'BRIEN: Homicides, narcotics,
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some extremely
violent individuals
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who were taken off
the street today.
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REPORTER: Speaking before
a treasure trove
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of seized assets form the gang,
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the US attorney
announced a major sweep
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and takedown of the Mongols.
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He called them a violent
criminal enterprise.
478
00:24:13,745 --> 00:24:14,913
CICCONE:
We convicted the gang.
479
00:24:15,414 --> 00:24:18,208
We had four agents that were
members for three years.
480
00:24:18,875 --> 00:24:21,294
I mean, they went through
the process, hang around,
481
00:24:21,294 --> 00:24:24,214
prospecting, and then full‐patch
membership for that time period.
482
00:24:24,214 --> 00:24:27,426
But, you know, the protocols
were broken down to them.
483
00:24:27,426 --> 00:24:30,679
You know, if you see a
Hells Angel, shoot on sight.
484
00:24:35,142 --> 00:24:38,854
The Mongols have killed three
Hells Angels in the last month.
485
00:24:39,104 --> 00:24:40,147
VAN ZELLER: No way.
486
00:24:40,147 --> 00:24:42,107
CICCONE: There was
a shooting here,
487
00:24:42,107 --> 00:24:44,234
and then Denver was a murder,
Indiana a murder,
488
00:24:44,234 --> 00:24:46,862
Cleveland, Ohio a murder.
489
00:24:46,862 --> 00:24:48,697
VAN ZELLER: So there's a huge
fight going on between the two?
490
00:24:48,697 --> 00:24:52,075
CICCONE: Yeah, it's been
that way since the '70s.
491
00:24:56,246 --> 00:24:59,624
VAN ZELLER:
Agent Ciccone shows
me the video of a massive brawl
492
00:24:59,624 --> 00:25:01,710
inside a Nevada casino.
493
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,300
Two Hells Angels died from
gunshots and a Mongol was
494
00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:09,718
stabbed to death.
495
00:25:11,887 --> 00:25:13,847
(gunshots)
496
00:25:13,847 --> 00:25:16,516
CICCONE:
3,000 innocent civilians
in that casino.
497
00:25:16,516 --> 00:25:19,728
They didn't give a (bleep) and
the Hells Angels didn't give
a (bleep).
498
00:25:19,728 --> 00:25:21,605
They came in and got it on.
They got it on.
499
00:25:22,397 --> 00:25:24,483
Because they're, that's
what gang members do.
500
00:25:25,233 --> 00:25:29,154
VAN ZELLER:
Ciccone explains how the clubs
encourage these rivalries.
501
00:25:29,154 --> 00:25:31,239
CICCONE: If you confront
another rival gang member,
502
00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:32,991
you get a Respect Few,
Fear None patch.
503
00:25:32,991 --> 00:25:35,035
You know, it's a badge of honor.
504
00:25:35,035 --> 00:25:38,038
If you're involved in
a shooting or a murder,
505
00:25:38,038 --> 00:25:40,373
you get a skull and
crossbones patch.
506
00:25:41,917 --> 00:25:44,669
So they're promoting
the violence
507
00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:46,588
and rewarding the violence.
508
00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:48,298
VAN ZELLER: Giving them patches.
509
00:25:48,548 --> 00:25:50,050
Of course.
510
00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:53,011
It's been right there in front
of my face the whole time.
511
00:25:54,012 --> 00:25:55,806
Stitched into the leather,
512
00:25:55,806 --> 00:25:58,892
coded language that speaks
to what these clubs value.
513
00:25:59,810 --> 00:26:01,895
CICCONE: You could put
all the fluff around the
Harleys and all that,
514
00:26:01,895 --> 00:26:04,648
but it's a gang, we all
know what comes with that.
515
00:26:05,941 --> 00:26:09,653
Violence, drug trafficking,
firearms trafficking, assaults,
516
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,280
murders, shootings.
517
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,366
And they operate just
like a street gang.
518
00:26:14,366 --> 00:26:16,868
They just ride bikes.
519
00:26:21,248 --> 00:26:24,251
We got some information
that a group of Mongols
520
00:26:24,251 --> 00:26:26,795
is at a restaurant
over here in Monrovia.
521
00:26:27,587 --> 00:26:30,340
So, we're just kind of go
see what they're up to.
522
00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:32,342
And then we'll see if we
can make contact with them.
523
00:26:32,801 --> 00:26:34,261
VAN ZELLER: So by contact,
do you mean just, like,
524
00:26:34,261 --> 00:26:35,345
try to talk to a few of them?
525
00:26:35,345 --> 00:26:36,930
Like see what happens?
526
00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:38,723
CICCONE: Yeah,
we'll just pull up
527
00:26:38,723 --> 00:26:40,225
and kind of sit there
with my windows down
528
00:26:40,225 --> 00:26:42,519
and see if I can
stir up anything.
529
00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:44,479
VAN ZELLER: You just
love stirring up (bleep).
530
00:26:44,479 --> 00:26:46,273
CICCONE: Oh, yeah.
531
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,487
VAN ZELLER: Is it just this,
this Mexican restaurant?
532
00:26:53,488 --> 00:26:54,531
Oh, yeah.
533
00:26:54,531 --> 00:26:56,616
CICCONE: Some bikes.
534
00:26:57,576 --> 00:27:00,245
So, there's definitely
some members here.
535
00:27:00,245 --> 00:27:03,248
VAN ZELLER: So they leave their
helmets on the, on their bikes.
536
00:27:03,248 --> 00:27:05,333
They're not afraid that
somebody will steal them?
537
00:27:05,333 --> 00:27:07,127
CICCONE: No one's
going to steal them.
538
00:27:07,127 --> 00:27:09,087
That will not happen.
539
00:27:09,921 --> 00:27:11,882
VAN ZELLER: With no
planning and no back up,
540
00:27:11,882 --> 00:27:13,592
Agent Ciccone is
about to roll up
541
00:27:13,592 --> 00:27:18,054
on one of the most feared
motorcycle clubs on the planet.
542
00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:21,349
And the Mongols all know
he's a federal agent.
543
00:27:22,434 --> 00:27:26,271
CICCONE: Yeah, this looks like
the, uh, where they're at.
544
00:27:26,271 --> 00:27:29,399
VAN ZELLER: Oh my God.
545
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:31,985
Is this a good idea?
546
00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:38,116
CICCONE: What's going on?
547
00:27:44,497 --> 00:27:49,002
VAN ZELLER:
The Mongol's motto
is "Respect few, fear none."
548
00:27:50,921 --> 00:27:52,797
The ATF has called
them the most violent
549
00:27:52,797 --> 00:27:55,383
motorcycle club in the country.
550
00:27:55,383 --> 00:27:59,095
And yet, Agent John Ciccone
has decided it's a good idea
551
00:27:59,095 --> 00:28:00,764
to crash their
post‐funeral lunch.
552
00:28:01,348 --> 00:28:02,933
CICCONE: What's going on?
553
00:28:07,062 --> 00:28:08,104
CICCONE: Sure, man.
554
00:28:08,104 --> 00:28:09,981
LITTLE DAVE:
Hold on.
555
00:28:09,981 --> 00:28:12,567
CICCONE: I thought that
was you, I'm, like,
I had to do a double take, man.
556
00:28:13,068 --> 00:28:16,154
VAN ZELLER:
When Agent Ciccone
invited me along for this ride,
557
00:28:16,154 --> 00:28:19,783
I didn't anticipate a friendly
chat with the infamous Mongols.
558
00:28:20,867 --> 00:28:22,369
CICCONE: What's happening, dude?
559
00:28:22,369 --> 00:28:24,079
LITTLE DAVE: Yeah, I didn't
know you were with the wife?
560
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:25,497
CICCONE: Not this time, man.
561
00:28:25,497 --> 00:28:27,248
LITTLE DAVE: Oh, damn.
What are you guys filming?
562
00:28:27,248 --> 00:28:28,458
CICCONE: What's up, man?
563
00:28:28,458 --> 00:28:29,960
VAN ZELLER:
And this isn't just any Mongol,
564
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,378
it's one of the top
leaders of the club.
565
00:28:31,378 --> 00:28:33,046
CICCONE: How did the funeral go?
566
00:28:33,046 --> 00:28:34,714
You guys make your
run and all that?
567
00:28:34,714 --> 00:28:36,049
LITTLE DAVE: Yeah.
CICCONE: How was it?
568
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:37,467
LITTLE DAVE: We've seen
you on the freeway.
569
00:28:37,467 --> 00:28:39,010
CICCONE: I was on
the freeway, man.
570
00:28:39,010 --> 00:28:40,470
LITTLE DAVE: Yeah.
571
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:41,846
CICCONE: Just stay off the
freeways next weekend, man,
572
00:28:41,846 --> 00:28:43,974
because, because Castiglione
is getting buried in,
573
00:28:43,974 --> 00:28:45,558
the Hells Angels in San Diego.
574
00:28:45,558 --> 00:28:47,060
LITTLE DAVE: Oh, yeah.
575
00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:48,228
CICCONE: He was like
a 50 year member, man.
576
00:28:48,228 --> 00:28:49,521
LITTLE DAVE: Oh (bleep).
CICCONE: So.
577
00:28:49,521 --> 00:28:50,981
MAN: Next weekend?
CICCONE: Next weekend.
578
00:28:50,981 --> 00:28:52,440
LITTLE DAVE: I heard they
buried three other dudes, like,
579
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,566
in the last month.
580
00:28:53,566 --> 00:28:54,484
I don't know why,
but that's what I hear.
581
00:28:54,484 --> 00:28:55,568
That's the real.
582
00:28:55,568 --> 00:28:57,404
CICCONE: No comment, man.
583
00:28:57,404 --> 00:28:59,114
LITTLE DAVE: Yeah, 3‐0.
CICCONE: No comment, man.
LITTLE DAVE: 3‐0.
584
00:28:59,114 --> 00:29:00,281
The score's 3‐0.
585
00:29:00,281 --> 00:29:02,075
CICCONE: No comment, man.
586
00:29:02,367 --> 00:29:04,536
VAN ZELLER:
Did you catch that score line?
587
00:29:04,536 --> 00:29:06,705
3‐0.
588
00:29:06,705 --> 00:29:09,416
Presumably meaning
three Hells Angels dead,
589
00:29:09,416 --> 00:29:11,001
zero Mongols killed.
590
00:29:12,043 --> 00:29:13,628
REPORTER: Investigators
say multiple people
591
00:29:13,628 --> 00:29:15,714
riding motorcycles were
involved in a shooting.
592
00:29:16,131 --> 00:29:18,258
REPORTER 2:
Police are saying
a person was stabbed to death.
593
00:29:18,258 --> 00:29:20,719
REPORTER 3: Initial details
painted the fatal confrontation
594
00:29:20,719 --> 00:29:24,014
between the rival gangs is
an argument that escalated.
595
00:29:25,598 --> 00:29:27,475
CICCONE: All right.
I'll let you guys go, man.
596
00:29:27,475 --> 00:29:29,436
VAN ZELLER: Wait, wait, wait.
Can I ask a question since
we're at this?
597
00:29:29,436 --> 00:29:30,603
So we're with
National Geographic.
598
00:29:30,603 --> 00:29:32,188
MAN: Oh, I thought
that was your wife!
599
00:29:32,188 --> 00:29:33,898
CICCONE: That's the
National Geographic, man.
600
00:29:33,898 --> 00:29:35,608
CICCONE: You don't
see all this camera.
601
00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:37,110
LITTLE DAVE: Dude,
I watch everything.
602
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:38,528
VAN ZELLER: Can, can we come
hang out with you guys one day?
603
00:29:38,528 --> 00:29:39,779
LITTLE DAVE: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
604
00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:41,281
VAN ZELLER: He's saying no.
He's saying yes.
605
00:29:41,281 --> 00:29:42,782
I'm Mariana, by the way.
606
00:29:42,782 --> 00:29:44,784
Hi, how are you?
So how do I contact you?
607
00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:46,619
LITTLE DAVE: Oh, my number.
Take down my number.
608
00:29:46,619 --> 00:29:48,038
CICCONE: Geez.
609
00:29:48,038 --> 00:29:49,664
LITTLE DAVE: (bleep).
Don't record the number.
610
00:29:49,664 --> 00:29:51,249
VAN ZELLER: So I'm Mariana.
I'll call you.
611
00:29:51,249 --> 00:29:52,709
LITTLE DAVE: All right. Cool.
612
00:29:52,709 --> 00:29:53,835
VAN ZELLER: And then I'm hoping
we can hang out with you.
613
00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:55,003
LITTLE DAVE: We'll
talk, we'll talk, yeah,
614
00:29:55,003 --> 00:29:56,046
I can't promise anything,
but we'll talk.
615
00:29:56,046 --> 00:29:57,422
VAN ZELLER: Okay.
CICCONE: Later.
616
00:29:57,422 --> 00:29:59,215
VAN ZELLER:Thanks, guys.
Have a margarita for us.
617
00:29:59,215 --> 00:30:01,342
Oh, my God.
That was insane.
618
00:30:01,342 --> 00:30:02,927
CICCONE: There you go, man.
619
00:30:02,927 --> 00:30:04,179
See?
620
00:30:04,179 --> 00:30:05,555
What kind of hookup you
guys got here today?
621
00:30:05,555 --> 00:30:06,848
VAN ZELLER: But that
was definitely (bleep).
622
00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:08,391
CICCONE: Yeah, the guy
in the white shirt.
623
00:30:08,391 --> 00:30:09,893
VAN ZELLER: And he immediately
obviously knew who you were.
624
00:30:09,893 --> 00:30:11,936
And he jumped off
his chair and came.
625
00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:13,730
CICCONE: You have
to understand that we have
626
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:15,607
an open communication,
him and I.
627
00:30:15,607 --> 00:30:17,442
It's a respect thing.
628
00:30:17,442 --> 00:30:19,486
That's all I can
really explain it.
629
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:22,989
I've worked these
guys since '97.
630
00:30:22,989 --> 00:30:27,285
We don't harass them or
disrespect them, but we,
631
00:30:27,285 --> 00:30:30,121
we work them and we put
the criminals in jail.
632
00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:32,457
Especially with (bleep),
he's the national president,
633
00:30:32,457 --> 00:30:33,750
you know, everything
is under his watch.
634
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:35,752
He doesn't want to go to prison.
635
00:30:35,752 --> 00:30:37,879
But then there's times when
he comes more involved
636
00:30:37,879 --> 00:30:39,923
with being the national
president as, you know,
637
00:30:39,923 --> 00:30:41,591
giving out those awards
and those patches
638
00:30:41,591 --> 00:30:43,009
when people do stuff.
639
00:30:43,009 --> 00:30:44,177
VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
640
00:30:44,177 --> 00:30:45,637
CICCONE: You know,
he's behind that.
641
00:30:45,637 --> 00:30:47,889
VAN ZELLER: So there's
absolutely no doubt in your mind
642
00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:49,432
that they perform
illegal activities,
643
00:30:49,432 --> 00:30:50,558
that they are criminals?
644
00:30:50,558 --> 00:30:52,185
CICCONE: Oh, yeah.
It's who they are.
645
00:30:52,185 --> 00:30:54,521
Not all of them commit
crimes every day
646
00:30:54,521 --> 00:30:56,147
or have criminal histories,
647
00:30:56,147 --> 00:31:00,485
but they have protocols that
everybody has to adhere to.
648
00:31:01,194 --> 00:31:04,239
You're forced into
their criminal element
649
00:31:04,239 --> 00:31:05,907
when you become a member.
650
00:31:06,533 --> 00:31:08,493
And all they have to
do is just act right
651
00:31:08,493 --> 00:31:10,995
and we would leave them alone,
you know.
652
00:31:10,995 --> 00:31:12,997
But as long as they're
going to keep shooting
and killing people,
653
00:31:12,997 --> 00:31:15,041
then we're going
to be around.
654
00:31:16,543 --> 00:31:19,921
VAN ZELLER:
I want to know what role
these leaders actually play.
655
00:31:19,921 --> 00:31:23,216
And if these clubs are
criminal enterprises
hiding in plain sight,
656
00:31:23,716 --> 00:31:25,718
then what's bringing
in the money.
657
00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:28,221
KOZLOWSKI: I would say the drugs
make the most money for them.
658
00:31:28,221 --> 00:31:31,015
VAN ZELLER: Koz tells
me something that I
didn't know before,
659
00:31:31,015 --> 00:31:34,644
that the drugs they famously
transport are supplied
660
00:31:34,644 --> 00:31:37,147
and controlled by
the Mexican cartels.
661
00:31:38,481 --> 00:31:41,901
So if the cartels have such
a network here in the US
already established,
662
00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:45,280
why work with the clubs to
transport those drugs?
663
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,614
What's in it for them?
664
00:31:47,115 --> 00:31:48,783
KOZLOWSKI: I think it's
just going to come down
665
00:31:48,783 --> 00:31:50,201
to pure business.
666
00:31:50,201 --> 00:31:52,912
If you have a gang that can
move X amount of weight
667
00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:54,998
and you have a trusted member
668
00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:57,959
who can deliver from
that connection,
669
00:31:59,252 --> 00:32:01,754
you now have a whole
another network of people
670
00:32:01,754 --> 00:32:03,339
to distribute to.
671
00:32:03,339 --> 00:32:04,632
You expand that territory.
672
00:32:04,632 --> 00:32:06,593
You've reached another group
673
00:32:06,593 --> 00:32:09,262
that has that crossover
connection with cartel types.
674
00:32:09,512 --> 00:32:11,014
VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
675
00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:15,435
This isn't about
a few bad apples.
676
00:32:15,435 --> 00:32:18,062
This is pure business.
677
00:32:18,062 --> 00:32:20,481
To see the criminal side
of these One Percenters,
678
00:32:20,481 --> 00:32:22,442
I've got to follow the money.
679
00:32:23,693 --> 00:32:25,570
Hi. How are you doing?
680
00:32:28,698 --> 00:32:30,658
VAN ZELLER: And find the
connection between the clubs
681
00:32:30,658 --> 00:32:32,660
and the cartels.
682
00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:34,454
And what about, is there,
do you have any connections
outside of California?
683
00:32:37,832 --> 00:32:40,043
VAN ZELLER:
Over the years,
I've made underworld contacts.
684
00:32:43,504 --> 00:32:44,797
VAN ZELLER:
On both sides of the border.
685
00:32:51,054 --> 00:32:52,180
VAN ZELLER: I've networked.
686
00:32:55,183 --> 00:32:56,226
VAN ZELLER: I've built trust.
687
00:33:00,188 --> 00:33:04,150
VAN ZELLER:
And in moments like this,
I know who can open doors.
688
00:33:14,827 --> 00:33:16,663
VAN ZELLER:
We just got the call?
689
00:33:16,663 --> 00:33:18,873
FIXER (over phone):Yes, he finally, uh,told us where to meet.
690
00:33:18,873 --> 00:33:20,500
It's a place wherethey feel safe.
691
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:23,253
It'll be a place where we cansit and talk and negotiate.
692
00:33:25,046 --> 00:33:27,757
They know your name,they're expecting your call.
693
00:33:27,757 --> 00:33:31,844
They'll send a pin of where,uh, we're supposed to meet them
694
00:33:32,845 --> 00:33:34,764
VAN ZELLER: Finally,
after weeks of hustling,
695
00:33:34,764 --> 00:33:38,268
a cartel contact agrees
to connect me to a One Percenter
696
00:33:38,268 --> 00:33:39,811
who transports narcotics.
697
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,983
Let's make sure we're
not being followed.
698
00:33:48,152 --> 00:33:49,570
Okay.
I'd say cameras down, guys.
699
00:33:49,570 --> 00:33:51,114
Down on cameras.
700
00:33:51,114 --> 00:33:54,325
It's more important than that we
not spook them right now then.
701
00:33:55,994 --> 00:33:57,912
FIXER (over phone): There'sa bit of a complication.
702
00:33:57,912 --> 00:34:00,540
They don't want usto bring our cars.
703
00:34:00,790 --> 00:34:02,917
They want us to jumpinto their cars.
704
00:34:04,544 --> 00:34:06,087
VAN ZELLER: Yeah.
I don't think that's
a good idea at all.
705
00:34:06,087 --> 00:34:08,047
I don't, I don't feel
comfortable jumping in the car
706
00:34:08,047 --> 00:34:09,549
with somebody that we don't know
707
00:34:09,549 --> 00:34:11,926
and where they're
taking us and all that.
708
00:34:11,926 --> 00:34:14,012
I don't think
that's a good idea.
709
00:34:17,974 --> 00:34:20,059
They should be around
here somewhere.
710
00:34:20,059 --> 00:34:23,021
MAN: If you
get any updates, Rob, call...
711
00:34:23,021 --> 00:34:24,605
VAN ZELLER: Uh, can
we not talk on the,
712
00:34:24,605 --> 00:34:26,441
can we not put the
walkie‐talkies up
713
00:34:26,441 --> 00:34:28,192
when we're talking, guys.
714
00:34:28,192 --> 00:34:30,445
It's, like, if you want
to scream undercover cops,
715
00:34:30,445 --> 00:34:32,280
that's it.
716
00:34:33,406 --> 00:34:35,408
I'm obviously paranoid
at this point.
717
00:34:39,954 --> 00:34:41,748
Is this them?
718
00:34:43,374 --> 00:34:45,168
Okay, so that's them, guys.
719
00:34:45,168 --> 00:34:47,045
Leave the car running.
720
00:34:47,045 --> 00:34:48,379
Wish me luck.
721
00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:01,517
Hi. How are you doing?
Mariana.
722
00:35:09,484 --> 00:35:11,819
DRIVER: Okay, I'm
going to need you to put
all the phones in the bag,
723
00:35:11,819 --> 00:35:13,321
turn them off, and
leave them on the car.
724
00:35:13,321 --> 00:35:14,739
VAN ZELLER: And leave
them in the other car?
725
00:35:14,739 --> 00:35:15,990
DRIVER: Yes.
726
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:17,033
VAN ZELLER: So we can't
take phones with us?
727
00:35:17,033 --> 00:35:18,159
DRIVER: No.
728
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:19,202
VAN ZELLER: Can I
take mine at least?
729
00:35:19,202 --> 00:35:20,495
DRIVER: No.
730
00:35:20,495 --> 00:35:22,872
VAN ZELLER: I can shut it off?
DRIVER: Ah, no.
731
00:35:27,377 --> 00:35:29,253
VAN ZELLER: So a little bit of a
problem is that they don't want
732
00:35:29,253 --> 00:35:31,464
any of us to take our phones.
733
00:35:31,881 --> 00:35:34,467
So they've asked that
we keep our phones here,
734
00:35:34,467 --> 00:35:36,177
which makes me a little nervous.
735
00:35:36,803 --> 00:35:39,514
That's not a situation
like to be in at all.
736
00:35:39,514 --> 00:35:40,848
Everybody's phones.
737
00:35:40,848 --> 00:35:42,767
Are you okay?
738
00:35:43,393 --> 00:35:45,436
Okay. Thanks, guys.
739
00:35:49,732 --> 00:35:53,403
I'm in a car with a man I'm
told is a cartel operative,
740
00:35:53,403 --> 00:35:55,113
who I presumed is armed.
741
00:35:56,072 --> 00:35:58,157
He's taking me to
meet a One Percenter,
742
00:35:58,157 --> 00:36:00,284
but I don't know
where we're going
743
00:36:00,284 --> 00:36:03,079
or what we'll learn
when we get there.
744
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:10,420
So you're not actually
the person we're going
to be talking to, right?
745
00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:13,214
MAN: No.
VAN ZELLER: Somebody else?
MAN: Yeah. Someone else.
746
00:36:14,966 --> 00:36:17,218
Here's our buddy right
here, to the right.
747
00:36:17,218 --> 00:36:19,303
VAN ZELLER: This is him?
MAN: Yeah.
VAN ZELLER: Oh, wow.
748
00:36:19,762 --> 00:36:21,514
So he was waiting here
for us the whole time?
749
00:36:21,514 --> 00:36:22,932
MAN: Yeah.
750
00:36:22,932 --> 00:36:25,268
VAN ZELLER: This is apparently
the biker in question,
751
00:36:25,268 --> 00:36:27,645
and he's clearly been
tracking our movements.
752
00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:30,273
So do you work with the cartel?
753
00:36:30,273 --> 00:36:32,066
MAN: I'm not going
to say nothing.
754
00:36:32,066 --> 00:36:33,860
VAN ZELLER:
Sorry, as a journalist,
755
00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:35,069
I start asking
questions immediately.
756
00:36:35,069 --> 00:36:36,529
MAN: Yeah.
757
00:36:50,418 --> 00:36:52,044
VAN ZELLER:
Oh, it's sort of a ranch house.
Yeah?
758
00:36:52,044 --> 00:36:54,422
MAN: Yes. One of many.
759
00:36:55,882 --> 00:36:57,258
VAN ZELLER: One of many
you guys have around here?
760
00:36:57,258 --> 00:36:59,302
MAN: Yes.
761
00:37:00,553 --> 00:37:02,513
VAN ZELLER: Good. Okay.
762
00:37:03,806 --> 00:37:07,018
We arrived at a normal‐looking
ranch house on a bit of land.
763
00:37:07,018 --> 00:37:09,270
As I get out of the car,
764
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:12,148
I'm met by a masked man with
a semi‐automatic rifle.
765
00:37:13,149 --> 00:37:15,318
He directs me around
the back of the house
766
00:37:15,318 --> 00:37:17,278
and that's where
I find our biker.
767
00:37:17,862 --> 00:37:20,823
For his safety, we're covering
his face and changing his voice.
768
00:37:21,657 --> 00:37:22,867
PANCHO: All right.
769
00:37:22,867 --> 00:37:24,118
VAN ZELLER: Okay.
770
00:37:24,118 --> 00:37:25,578
Were you undecided
about talking to us?
771
00:37:25,578 --> 00:37:26,954
PANCHO: I was, yeah.
772
00:37:26,954 --> 00:37:29,332
I don't really trust nobody.
773
00:37:29,332 --> 00:37:31,542
VAN ZELLER: Did you check our
work or did you check me out
774
00:37:31,542 --> 00:37:32,710
to make sure that
I wasn't police?
775
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:33,878
PANCHO: Oh, yeah.
776
00:37:33,878 --> 00:37:35,463
All you guys.
777
00:37:35,463 --> 00:37:37,381
VAN ZELLER: You did, all of us?
PANCHO: Yes. There's a network.
778
00:37:37,381 --> 00:37:39,550
VAN ZELLER: Of bikers?
PANCHO: Yes.
779
00:37:39,550 --> 00:37:43,429
Trust me, any information that
we need from anybody is there.
780
00:37:44,472 --> 00:37:46,599
VAN ZELLER: Can I ask you
what club you belong to?
781
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,268
PANCHO: You
could ask me all day,
but I'm not going to say.
782
00:37:50,311 --> 00:37:53,105
VAN ZELLER: But it's, would you
say that it's a well‐known one?
783
00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:55,399
PANCHO: Oh, yeah.
It's a well‐known one. Yeah.
784
00:37:55,399 --> 00:37:58,069
VAN ZELLER: I, I was told that
you were part of the (bleep)?
785
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:59,904
PANCHO: Again, I
don't want to say.
786
00:37:59,904 --> 00:38:01,489
You know, I can't expose myself
787
00:38:01,489 --> 00:38:04,158
because this is a
serious business.
788
00:38:05,034 --> 00:38:06,786
VAN ZELLER: What would
happen if they found out
789
00:38:06,786 --> 00:38:08,913
that you were talking to me?
790
00:38:08,913 --> 00:38:11,165
PANCHO: I would
probably get killed.
791
00:38:11,916 --> 00:38:14,836
All these (bleep), they,
they'll hurt you,
792
00:38:14,836 --> 00:38:16,546
they'll hurt you
when they have to.
793
00:38:17,171 --> 00:38:18,881
VAN ZELLER: They or you?
794
00:38:18,881 --> 00:38:20,883
PANCHO: Everybody.
795
00:38:20,883 --> 00:38:22,927
Every last one of them.
796
00:38:22,927 --> 00:38:24,929
VAN ZELLER: Do you
carry a gun with you?
797
00:38:24,929 --> 00:38:26,722
PANCHO: All the time.
798
00:38:26,722 --> 00:38:28,766
VAN ZELLER: Do you
have it right now?
799
00:38:30,017 --> 00:38:34,480
So you still don't trust me?
800
00:38:35,481 --> 00:38:37,191
PANCHO: I don't trust nobody.
801
00:38:37,191 --> 00:38:38,568
VAN ZELLER: Why did you
agree to do this interview?
802
00:38:38,568 --> 00:38:40,194
And I'm going give
you the gun back.
803
00:38:40,194 --> 00:38:42,905
PANCHO: 'Cause I don't give
a (bleep) about nothing.
804
00:38:44,115 --> 00:38:45,449
VAN ZELLER: So what,
what would you say then
805
00:38:45,449 --> 00:38:48,077
is the major business of
the club that you're,
806
00:38:48,077 --> 00:38:49,829
that you belong to?
807
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:51,664
PANCHO: Narcotics.
808
00:38:51,664 --> 00:38:54,125
VAN ZELLER: Finally,
after months of trying,
809
00:38:54,125 --> 00:38:56,377
I find a biker who's
willing to talk about
810
00:38:56,377 --> 00:38:58,421
what no one other
One Percenter would,
811
00:38:59,171 --> 00:39:02,550
the criminal side of
motorcycle clubs.
812
00:39:11,726 --> 00:39:14,437
♪ ♪
813
00:39:14,437 --> 00:39:16,230
VAN ZELLER: What, what
drugs are we talking about?
814
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:21,277
PANCHO: Oh, it's everything from
weed, cocaine, glass, heroin.
815
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:24,530
You name it, we do it all.
816
00:39:25,531 --> 00:39:29,076
There's a bunch of, bunch of
guys that just love to ride
817
00:39:29,076 --> 00:39:31,245
and want to be part of the club.
818
00:39:31,245 --> 00:39:35,499
And there's others like
myself that love to get money
819
00:39:35,499 --> 00:39:37,293
and love that life.
820
00:39:37,293 --> 00:39:38,669
And that's what we do.
821
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:41,088
VAN ZELLER: How much
money do you make?
822
00:39:41,088 --> 00:39:42,924
PANCHO: A lot.
823
00:39:43,299 --> 00:39:46,177
VAN ZELLER:
I push for details about
their operation and how they
824
00:39:46,177 --> 00:39:50,598
work with the Mexican cartels.
825
00:39:50,598 --> 00:39:52,808
So, it's sort of a
working farm here?
826
00:39:52,808 --> 00:39:56,228
DAMIEN: Yes.
This is where we started.
827
00:39:59,857 --> 00:40:02,777
VAN ZELLER:
The property is both a
marijuana grow and a stash house
828
00:40:02,777 --> 00:40:05,071
for whatever
else might pass through.
829
00:40:06,405 --> 00:40:09,617
This man oversees the operation
for his cartel bosses,
830
00:40:09,617 --> 00:40:11,160
south of the border.
831
00:40:11,535 --> 00:40:13,913
These are getting
ready to be harvested?
832
00:40:13,913 --> 00:40:17,959
DAMIEN: Yes. Three more weeks.
VAN ZELLER: Three more weeks?
DAMIEN: Yes.
833
00:40:19,210 --> 00:40:20,878
VAN ZELLER: So, you work
with these guys a lot?
834
00:40:20,878 --> 00:40:22,505
PANCHO: I do, yeah.
835
00:40:22,505 --> 00:40:24,507
Myself and my people.
836
00:40:25,216 --> 00:40:27,969
VAN ZELLER: They do the
production side and you
guys do the transporting?
837
00:40:27,969 --> 00:40:29,762
PANCHO: Yeah.
838
00:40:32,306 --> 00:40:34,600
DAMIEN: This is where we
pack it, where we trim it,
839
00:40:37,353 --> 00:40:38,813
where we weigh it.
840
00:40:38,813 --> 00:40:40,773
VAN ZELLER: Wow, the smell
is super, super strong here.
841
00:40:40,773 --> 00:40:42,566
So this is the flower that's
been harvested already?
842
00:40:42,566 --> 00:40:45,528
DAMIEN: Correct.
VAN ZELLER: Trimmed?
DAMIEN: Yes.
843
00:40:46,153 --> 00:40:49,073
VAN ZELLER: Ooh, it smells good.
844
00:40:49,865 --> 00:40:51,575
I don't think most people
know that you guys
845
00:40:51,575 --> 00:40:53,160
are running an
operation like this.
846
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,830
Just right here, out
in Southern California.
847
00:40:55,830 --> 00:40:57,915
DAMIEN: This is just us,
but there's a lot more.
848
00:41:01,252 --> 00:41:04,463
PANCHO: I've got a network of
guys that get the merchandise
849
00:41:04,463 --> 00:41:09,051
from these gentlemen and we
distribute it throughout the US.
850
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:13,639
VAN ZELLER: Where do
these drugs go to usually?
851
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:15,349
DAMIEN: Most of it
goes on the street.
852
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:17,643
A lot of it goes to
the different states.
853
00:41:17,643 --> 00:41:19,645
The further, the
more expensive it is.
854
00:41:20,813 --> 00:41:22,982
PANCHO:
There's plugs everywhere.
855
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,777
VAN ZELLER: Why do you guys
like to work with the bikers?
856
00:41:26,777 --> 00:41:28,946
DAMIEN: Like, they're not
afraid of the cops, you know?
857
00:41:28,946 --> 00:41:31,198
They're ruthless pretty much.
858
00:41:31,615 --> 00:41:33,951
VAN ZELLER:
Yes, even the Mexican cartels
859
00:41:33,951 --> 00:41:36,620
think One Percenters
are ruthless.
860
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:39,165
Does the club leaders
know that you do this
861
00:41:39,165 --> 00:41:40,541
and that the members
of the club do this?
862
00:41:40,541 --> 00:41:41,751
PANCHO: Yes.
863
00:41:41,751 --> 00:41:42,793
VAN ZELLER: Do they
make a cut out of it?
864
00:41:42,793 --> 00:41:44,086
PANCHO: Of course, yeah.
865
00:41:44,086 --> 00:41:45,254
VAN ZELLER: Do they
make good money?
866
00:41:45,254 --> 00:41:47,590
PANCHO: Everybody eats.
867
00:41:48,257 --> 00:41:51,302
There's shot callers and
there's people underneath.
868
00:41:51,886 --> 00:41:55,514
They move other people,
and so on, and so on.
869
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,226
That's how you take care of your
family and live the good life.
870
00:42:00,102 --> 00:42:03,147
Even if it's in this,
doing this dirty (bleep).
871
00:42:05,858 --> 00:42:07,651
VAN ZELLER:
It does make sense,
872
00:42:07,651 --> 00:42:10,613
what better business partners
for Mexican narco traffickers
873
00:42:10,613 --> 00:42:14,950
than loyal, tight‐lipped, road
trip‐loving American outlaws
874
00:42:16,452 --> 00:42:19,288
with local chapters
crisscrossing a country
875
00:42:19,288 --> 00:42:24,210
that spends nearly $150 billion
a year on illegal drugs?
876
00:42:25,795 --> 00:42:27,630
(gunshots)
877
00:42:27,963 --> 00:42:30,966
I'm not saying every
One Percenter is involved,
878
00:42:30,966 --> 00:42:33,511
but wherever serious
cash is being made,
879
00:42:33,511 --> 00:42:35,513
serious trouble follows.
880
00:42:35,971 --> 00:42:38,015
Why is there so much
hatred between clubs?
881
00:42:38,015 --> 00:42:41,018
PANCHO: It's, it goes deep.
It goes deep.
882
00:42:41,018 --> 00:42:43,145
VAN ZELLER:
Is it a territory thing?
883
00:42:43,145 --> 00:42:45,648
I mean, the fact that you're,
assuming that you're controlling
884
00:42:45,648 --> 00:42:47,858
the trafficking
happening in this area.
885
00:42:47,858 --> 00:42:49,985
PANCHO: It's all
about territory.
886
00:42:49,985 --> 00:42:51,862
That's all it is.
887
00:42:51,862 --> 00:42:54,073
You got to stick
with your brothers.
888
00:42:54,365 --> 00:42:56,492
And if they say,
"Let's go to war,"
889
00:42:56,492 --> 00:42:58,702
we're going to go to war.
890
00:42:59,078 --> 00:43:00,704
VAN ZELLER: To go to war,
891
00:43:00,704 --> 00:43:01,997
meaning you'd have
to kill other people,
you would do that?
892
00:43:01,997 --> 00:43:04,625
PANCHO: Whatever it takes.
893
00:43:10,589 --> 00:43:12,633
KOZLOWSKI: A lot
of organizations in
the criminal world
894
00:43:12,633 --> 00:43:16,053
don't advertise in
the open who they are.
895
00:43:16,804 --> 00:43:18,639
Motorcycle gangs do.
896
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:23,144
Even a part of me felt empowered
when I got fully patched.
897
00:43:23,144 --> 00:43:26,814
You get that sense
that you have power.
898
00:43:29,567 --> 00:43:33,612
VAN ZELLER: Most outlaws
I've met live in the shadows,
899
00:43:33,612 --> 00:43:35,781
but not these guys.
900
00:43:36,824 --> 00:43:39,577
They're bold enough to tell
us exactly who they are.
901
00:43:41,328 --> 00:43:44,540
VAN ZELLER: And dare us
to do something about it.
902
00:43:45,416 --> 00:43:48,127
PANCHO: It's just
dangerous (bleep).
903
00:43:48,127 --> 00:43:50,171
You could die at any given time.
904
00:43:50,171 --> 00:43:52,047
For any given reason.
905
00:43:52,882 --> 00:43:54,675
VAN ZELLER: Do you
think you'll continue doing it?
906
00:43:54,675 --> 00:43:57,636
PANCHO: I've been
doing it (bleep) my life.
907
00:43:57,636 --> 00:44:00,389
I'll do it until I'm
laid in the casket.
908
00:44:01,891 --> 00:44:06,312
(engines revving)
909
00:44:06,687 --> 00:44:08,314
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