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[theme music playing]

[Amanda] Tyler Henry is walking to the studio

to meet the celebrity he's about to read live.

[Tyler] My name is Tyler Henry, and I have a rather unusual ability.

I don't exactly see dead people, but I definitely communicate with them.

I receive messages from those who've passed for those still here,

proving our loved ones never truly leave us.

I don't know who I'm going to read or what messages may come through,

but powerful revelations await from the other side.

Welcome to Live from the Other Side with Tyler Henry.

This celebrity and their chosen friends and family

are about to get a live reading

from the world's most renowned medium, Tyler Henry.

I am Amanda Kloots.

Tyler never knows who he's going to read before he meets them.

Our guests have been completely apart from him until this very moment.

So let's meet Tyler.

Hello, everybody.

-[overlapping greetings] -Hey, how's it going?

Oh, my goodness. Hi.

-How are you? -Hi.

-Good to see you. -[Tyler] Oh, it's so good to meet you.

-What a familiar face. -[laughs]

-Hi. How are you? -Hi. How are you?

-It's so wonderful to meet you. -Nice to meet you as well.

-Oh, I love it. I love the shirt color. -Good to meet you.

-We're kind of matching. -[chuckles]

How are you, beautiful? Good to see you.

-How are you? -I'm good.

Oh, it's so good to see everybody. Thanks for coming.

-Yes. -Of course. Thanks for having us.

-Amanda, you look beautiful. -Oh, thank you.

-Wonderful to get to see you. -Thank you.

And we have your beautiful mother with us today.

-Hello, everyone. -[Amanda] Theresa. Hi, Theresa.

[Tyler] Absolutely.

All right. So, Tyler, this is three-time Tony-winning,

-Emmy, Grammy-winning actor Billy Porter. -[Tyler] Of course!

-[laughter] -You need no introduction.

You are iconic in your own right.

Billy, tell us who you brought with you today.

-Okay. So I brought my sister. -Amazing.

-Hi, how are you? -Who I've known all my life.

-[Tyler] Yes. -[Amanda laughs]

-Um-- -My name.

Mary Martha--

-See, she's the boss. -[Amanda chuckles]

-Mary Martha Ford. -[Tyler] Yes.

Um, this is my friend, Ron Pennywell.

I've known him since… uh, 1984.

-We went to high school together. -[Tyler] Wow.

-And then this is Vanita Harbour… -[Amanda] Mm-hmm.

[Billy] …who I've known since 1987. We went to college together.

-[Tyler] Wow. -And then this is Chris Belcher

who I've known the shortest amount of time.

-[Tyler] Yes. -Which is…

-Thirty-two years. -[Tyler] Wow!

So everybody on this sofa is like family-family.

-[Tyler] I love that. -You know, blood family and chosen family.

[Tyler] That is so funny that you say that.

I have to show you the first thing that's on my piece of paper.

I got two plus three here. I don't know if you all can see this.

-[Billy] Mm-hmm. -It was coming through before,

and usually anytime I get numbers,

it's indicative of like two people having a direct connection

-and then three people being separate. -[Billy] Oh, wow.

So, we're kind of off to a good start.

-Yes! -[Tyler] I'm really excited!

Well, today I'll basically scribble, I'll communicate everything that I get,

and I'm big on delivering just exactly what I receive as I receive it.

And I'm big on specifics.

So I find that very often it's the kind of unknowable details

that really substantiate a reading.

And very oftentimes, that's inside jokes,

family dynamics, um, sometimes even recent conversations

that we've been having with living people will even come through.

And then when it comes to names, very often I'll get those,

and those often refer both to the living and the past.

So we can kind of talk about all sorts of different people,

those who are still here, those who aren't.

It's kind of free game as far as where we go.

Now, I can never dial direct.

I always say people come sometimes wanting to hear from mom,

and they hear from their mother-in-law, and so…

-[laughter] -…we'll navigate that if that happens.

But what does sometimes help make a connection is an object.

They sometimes just kind of symbolize who we hope to hear from.

And I would love to be able to kind of go that direction.

-So did you bring any today? -I did.

-Amazing. I'd love to hold on to it. -[clears throat]

-[Amanda] Wow. -I love that. That's beautiful.

I'm just going to hold this for one moment

and then everybody else brought some objects.

-That works too. -[scribbles]

Look at that.

Wow.

Okay, got that.

Spunky… [chuckles] …is the only way to word this.

-I'm going to give this back to you. -[Billy] Okay.

And then I'm going to look and see if I can hold onto any of your objects.

-It's this one. -This is funny. I love it. Oh, beautiful.

-Thank you so much. -[Mary] Thank you.

Mm. We got a thimble in there.

-[Mary] Yes. -That's amazing, okay.

Ah! I keep getting "spunky." Okay, this is a good sign.

-We're going to figure this out. -[laughter]

More than one person connected will come in,

regardless of who is personally close to the objects.

-And do you guys bring any as well? -[Ron] Yep.

-We got a key. -Smallest possible.

-I love it. That's easier for me. -[Ron chuckles]

[Tyler] I'll hold on to that.

And hold on to that. It's so interesting you brought this,

because I almost wrote down "CD" before I came out here.

So I wonder whoever this is connected to, I think they probably will come through.

[Tyler] So we're going to sit with that for one minute.

Okay. All right, I'm ready to begin.

-[laughs] All right. -[Billy] Yes.

It just helps me kind of get a general sense.

So we're going to jump all across the board,

and then I also may get pulled in your direction as well.

So we will see what comes in.

So first and foremost, uh, in the way this comes across,

I have to highlight any females who would have passed away

at a time when, basically, I would want a lady to live longer

and would have passed away in a way that for me

would feel kind of either premature or too early.

Now, the way this comes across, to be fair,

is I have to highlight someone who feels like they lived

a relatively good amount of life,

but should have seen more decades of time.

And that aspect kind of keeps coming in over and over and over again

of somebody who wishes they could have had, like, 20 more years.

The way that I would word this is just kind of within everybody here.

Does anybody know of any females that would have passed away

closer to middle age or, like, shortly right thereafter?

-Mm-hmm. -Gotcha. So that would be for you?

Okay, because I got to go there and I got to highlight this feeling

of basically, like, I hit past middle age, but then I'll keep going.

I want to… highlight that individual.

Now, did you bring anything for them today or no?

-No. -Okay, that's okay.

When we talk about that person, if I were to put a lineup of three people,

do you know how many siblings they had, or if there would be like a significance

around three individuals with that person?

-[inhales] Yes. -[Tyler] Okay.

We'll try to see if we can reconnect there in a moment,

but I'm going to kind of switch gears in the way this comes across.

Does anybody here have any connection with any D initials, as in, like, David?

-Yes. -Okay. Where would that be for you?

-An uncle. -Okay. And what was his name?

-David. -[Tyler] Okay. I want to bring this up.

This is strange.

[sighs] Okay. Let me look in my pocket here.

One second.

[chuckles softly]

-Is David living or passed? -[Mary] Passed.

-We got David written down, came through. -Okay.

[Tyler] So… [chuckles] I know it's kind of strange,

but I feel like that's going to be someone that we talk about, discuss.

-[Billy] There are two Uncle Davids. -[Tyler] Okay.

-Right? -Yes.

Gotcha. Do you know if any of them passed away,

kind of on the earlier side of things?

-Yes. -Okay.

Do you know if anybody had any autoimmune-related issues

or immune system problems towards the end of their life?

With the D, David?

-Yeah. -[Tyler] Okay, no problem.

We'll figure it out. Let me look and see.

We're going to navigate this.

We're gonna, kind of, go all across the board.

But I want to highlight that aspect there.

They have me talk about a feeling of moving,

this is just kind of good to keep in mind.

Billy, they're showing me bi-coastal feelings with this.

This is kind of hard to explain, but if you find yourself in one coast,

-and then moving to another coast. -Mm-hmm.

It's just good to keep in mind, I keep seeing it.

I'm like, we are in one, and then we go to the other.

Whereabouts were you originally from?

So, originally from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, moved to New York in 1990,

and lived out here from, um…

January 2000 to September 2002.

And I have bounced, ping-ponged back and forth for my whole career.

-Pretty much. -Very cool.

The message here, and this is just good to keep in mind,

is I feel like there's going to be an opportunity to kind of solidify

more of a home base over the next like, two to three years.

That's nice to know because I would like that.

-[laughter] -Because I have been uprooted,

and I have not felt like I've had a home in about three years.

So, like, you know, thank you, wherever that's coming from.

-Yeah. I just feel like-- -Because Daddy needs a house.

-And a home I can sit down in. -Yes, and it looks positive.

So the way this comes across, next few years, home base,

being able to build off of that, and that feels really positive.

So, that is good to keep in mind.

[Ron] Is there an extra bedroom for me?

[laughter]

-Always, Ron, always. -[Tyler] Under the bed.

Under the bed at the very least.

-[Ron] Whole guesthouse. -[Amanda] You have known him since '84.

-Yes. -[laughter]

Did anybody-- let me look and see where we go here.

If I go over here, do any of you all know of any situations

in your families where--

Generally, men pass away before women do,

just because men are ornery. [chuckles]

But do you know, if you think back for a moment in your own family histories,

a situation where a female passed before her male counterpart?

So usually that's indicative of like, if grandma died, before grandpa.

When normally, grandpa's the one to go first.

There's a dynamic coming through within a family,

and I'm being pulled over here, of a lady kind of passing before a guy.

And a guy being left to figure it out. And it keeps coming through.

Do you know of anything along those lines within your own family history?

-I do. -Okay. Which side of family would that be?

My mom's side of the family.

Okay. There's something to be said, and this is just good to keep in mind.

I don't know why, but I'm conflating a sister role and a mother role.

And this is so random, so remember that I'm saying this,

but if there was ever a situation where a sister had to raise a child,

or help step in as a mother role within like a family or family dynamic.

It just keeps coming through in some kind of strange sense,

of almost having to take on a big responsibility

that I would normally attribute to a mom, but a sister takes this on.

And that keeps coming through, and there's a sense of pride

around having to kind of, I don't want to say grow up fast,

but deal with a lot real quickly, that is not just focused on me.

Do you understand that at all? It's random.

Um, yes. Um, yes, it kind of makes sense.

[Tyler] Okay.

But it could be-- I don't know who it could be.

-It could be a couple of people. -[Tyler] Okay, no problem.

Where was the situation within your family

where, like a sibling raised another sibling on some level?

My mom raised her sister.

[Tyler] Yeah. Got it.

Do you know… If I say, this is good to keep in mind,

there's a reference to what looks like a month.

I'm thinking like May, June, April.

There's something coming through there,

and this is just good to keep in mind, for you guys in general.

Remember that I'm saying this, if anyone has any names

that are connected to a month, so like Annie May,

or a month that just kind of keeps popping in,

and I want you to remember that I'm saying that it keeps coming through.

But I wanna take that a step further, in the way this comes across.

Do-- [exhales] I'm kind of going way back with this.

There's a situation over here, also,

where I have to talk about a very tragic passing.

This is hitting me as, like, before 40, of an individual.

Does anybody know, here, of anyone who basically would have been,

kind of, at the peak of their life, going along, doing good.

And then bam, I feel struck down.

And I'm going more over there in the way this comes through.

-[Chris] Yes. -So, is that for you, or is that for you?

-I got a couple. -[Tyler] Okay.

I think I'm going to hold on to your objects,

-if that's okay. -[Chris] Sure.

I'm getting pulled kind of, in a certain direction.

Now, are any of those for any tragic passings?

-Yes. -Okay.

That's where I'm going to go. So let's look and see.

Okay.

Let me look.

Connected to this at all, do you know of any situations of a basically…

I see times two, and that's usually indicative

of a name in a family existing in two incarnations.

So when we talk about…

any individuals who would have passed tragically,

I would just look and see if there's, like, the repetition

of a name within family.

Um, do you know about that at all?

I wouldn't say a repetition within the family,

but there are two with the same name.

[Tyler] Two with the same name. Okay, gotcha.

It's just basically kind of my way of, kind of, conveying this connection

of name, generations, and wanting to bring it up.

Let me look and see.

Do you know, at the time of this tragic situation,

is the only way to word it, they're bringing me back actually

to a passings that would have happened quite a bit ago,

so not recent stuff, that I want to talk about.

I want you to keep this in mind.

You have a few people who are popping in like…

over ten years ago, and this is good to consider.

Some passings feel recent, some of these, I'm going way back.

And I need you to know that regardless of the fact

that this has been a while, that strength and that love

and that connection, it keeps coming through insistently

as if I never went anywhere.

And there's this sense of, "I'll see you later,"

and then I just don't get the chance.

It's the only way to describe it.

It's kind of like, this isn't a goodbye, this is see you later,

but I didn't realize it at the time, and I'm sorry.

-[Ron] Here we go. -[Tyler] Yeah, it's okay.

[Amanda] Chris, can you tell us more about that?

Um, uh… Sorry.

[Amanda] There's tissues right behind you.

-My, uh-- Do I say where this is? -[Tyler] Yeah.

This is a situation 21 years ago, on September 11th.

Two years after the towers, we had to take a friend to the hospital.

And in taking him in,

they were going to put him in a medically induced coma and wake him up.

It was all we said. "He's going to wake up in seven days."

"He's going to wake up in seven days."

And we were called on day four that he wasn't going to come out.

So there was no, "see you later." There was no, "goodbye."

-There was no… -[Tyler] Sure, yeah. No chance.

-And it was 21 years ago, and… -[Tyler] Wow.

And I'm flinging my hands around… [chuckles] …wringing my hands.

[Tyler] Absolutely. And the way this comes across,

there's just the sense of no closure, but coming in just as insistently

and just as jovially as I normally would.

And there's kind of a funny thing.

This is just good to keep in mind, around this person,

there's a fabulousness that comes in

as far as how we are honored, how we are remembered.

And check and see if anybody was either really into celebrating, like,

with, like, visuals.

I want to talk about what I would view almost like as Mardi Gras, Halloween,

like that kind of vibe.

-Where I'm, like, dressing up. -Yeah.

He was out loud, proud.

-[Tyler] Yes, absolutely. -Glitter, glamor, hair.

-[all laughing] -Smiles.

It was always to say he had a million-watt smile.

The Janet Jackson song, look above, look around,

-or whatever, when he's looking down. -[Tyler] Aww.

So, it always takes me to him

[Tyler] I love that. I just want to let you know there does seem

to be some honor connected to this individual,

and this is just good to keep in mind.

There's a view of a bridge, and this is just good to keep in mind.

-Okay. -[Tyler] I keep seeing a bridge

-and it feels sentimental. -Yeah.

And then when I look at this place, I think of this person,

and I have no idea why. Do you know anything about the bridge?

-I don't know about the bridge… -[Tyler] Okay.

-…but his family is watching, so… -[Tyler] Yeah, it's sweet.

I wonder if it's like out someone's window,

or like the view, but it's very, very sweet.

Again, a lot of this comes from what feels like decades ago,

but it's very sentimental when this comes in.

[Chris] Yes, very.

I wanna… Anybody, if I say Kiki…

[chuckles]

Kiki. Do we know of any connect--

If I say that, does that bring anything to mind?

-I mean, we've all kikied at one time… -[overlapping chatter, laughter]

-We have the kiki! -[Tyler] We got kiki goin' on!

-Do we know Kiki? -[Mary] I don't know any Kiki.

[Tyler] Okay, so we're just having a kiki.

-That's what's goin' on. -We've had many kikis.

-[Tyler] We got a comic. Okay. -[laughter continuing]

[Tyler] Let me look and see.

-Let me go there. -[Billy whispering] Kiki, Kiki…

There's that, that.

I gotta highlight this spunkiness.

And I'm just trying to figure out why. [laughs]

I gotta ask you point blank, when we talk about that hat right there.

-Do you want that? -Yeah, I would love to hold onto it.

I gotta ask you, who is this connected to?

-Our mother. -Your mother, okay.

Let me figure this out.

Now, she obviously wouldn't have fit the definition

I was talking about earlier of someone passing

in their, like, sixties and that kind of thing.

How old was she when she passed?

-[both] Seventy-nine. -[Tyler] Seventy-nine. Okay, cool.

I'm gonna give this a scribble, and we're gonna look and see where we go.

All right.

Now, this is good to keep in mind

just within your family generally, look and see

if anybody goes by their first name and their middle name.

So a good example I would give you would be

like Annie Mae or da-da-da da.

-[Mary] Yes. -Like, I'm wanting to do bump and bump.

-Does that make sense? -Yes.

-What name would that be? -Her name.

-[Tyler] Okay, gotcha. If-- -Clorinda Jean.

Do you know if she had a friend pass away around when she did too?

Um… I don't remember.

Okay. I have to highlight…

-Uh, a nephew. -[Tyler] Okay.

I have to highlight, like, loved one, connection.

-I'm wanting to put it near her passing. -A loved one. Yes. Yes.

It's kind of like a dual situation,

-and that does come in. -Yes.

-[Billy] You think Chris? -Yes.

Our cousin, Chris, passed a month before her.

-He was very young, but… -[Tyler] Gotcha. Yeah. So, it's kinda…

He passed a month before she did.

I see.

Do you know if there were any conversations related

to her situation of anyone having

to hop on a plane or get to somewhere via plane at all?

-Yes. -[Tyler] Okay, because I have to highlight

this feeling of no rush. It's okay.

Like, I don't know why in the way this comes across.

The last thing I want to think about is airfare… [chuckles]

-…when I'm coming to this. -She was transported back home

to Pittsburgh after she passed, so she was on the plane.

[Tyler] Oh, so she was the one who would have been on this.

Do you know if there were any situations with blood thinners

-or blood clots or anything? -Yes.

Okay, because I got to go there and that's just popping into my head.

Um, with her situation, it's kind of interesting.

She comes across very matter of fact, very all good.

This is kind of hard to explain,

but she gives me the sense of realizing as I get older,

things that I didn't see when I was younger.

And I'm gonna try to explain this as articulately as I can.

There's kind of this feeling

of her as a person having grown, and seeing things in hindsight

-for how they are and what they were. -[Mary] Mm-hmm.

If somebody-- I'm trying to think how to say this in a way that makes sense.

If someone's early years with Mom were, like, a little back and forth, okay?

But then as we got older,

we got to a place of, like, mutual understanding

of, "I get you, you get me."

"We maybe weren't always, you know, on the same page,"

but I feel like I get that a little bit more towards the end.

And I just have to say this in the way this comes through,

that's one of the greatest gifts that could have been given to her,

is the sense of, I don't even want to say forgiveness,

but allowing the past to not define our present…

-Yes. -…and being able to work things through.

There's a very famous Maya Angelou quote about her own mother.

And she talks about how her mother was a little tricky

with children and being a mother to children, but to an adult,

her mother was, you know, amazing.

And so, there's aspects here that come through growth, learning,

hindsight being very clear.

Do you know if… let me see here.

Oh, this is-- Okay, let me. [chuckles]

There might be a situation where her side of family kind of strays

or kind of goes a different direction.

I don't know why this comes in, but anytime I see my symbol for glue

and things coming unglued, it's just usually indicative

that certain family members connected to a person.

Once someone dies, they just kind of go do their own thing.

There's no need for them to really be involved.

And that's okay, but that does come in. So, that aspect would be there.

-Do you have a question? I sense you. -[Amanda] Yeah. Yeah, I do.

-I sense… I sense Amanda. -I do.

No, I just, Billy, I was just wondering, like, is that resonating with you?

'Cause I feel like you are getting a little emotional over there.

Yeah, um… [sniffles]

So, we grew up in the Pentecostal church.

And my mom… [sniffles]

…who was disabled…

was really entrenched in the church.

And when I came out as gay, um…

there… there was a challenge.

And through the years…

-She did the work. -[Tyler] Yes.

You know, she got into… she got out her Bible

and got into her Bible and she chose me.

-Yes. -And she chose us,

and she chose unconditional love, which is… [breathes deeply]

…what Jesus in the Bible told us to do.

-[Tyler] Yes. -Um…

-And we got to live together… -[Tyler] Yes.

…in that kind of harmony for quite a while

-before she passed. -[Tyler] Wow.

-[Billy] So… -What a gift.

You know, and she also got to…

You know, there was a lot of…

She got a lot of pushback…

-[Tyler] I see. Yeah. -…from her church community

-for… [sniffles] …loving her gay son. -[Tyler] Yes.

And… she got to see that that rhetoric…

-has no credibility… -[Tyler] Sure.

…through the life that I have been blessed…

Yes.

-…to live. [sighs] -[Tyler] Wow. That's amazing.

She put the love of her child and her family before anything else.

[Tyler] I think that's what a higher power would want, right?

-[chuckles] So, that's amazing. -Indeed.

-And when we know better, we do better. -Yes.

And that's one of the beautiful lessons we can all improve.

-[Billy] Yeah. -But your openness and vulnerability

to allow that relationship to heal is really commendable.

And I'm so thankful you're able to do that.

One thing that does come through that's good to keep in mind is,

I don't know if you're familiar with Gladys Knight.

-[Billy] Of course. -Do you know Gladys Knight?

-We love Gladys Knight. -Yeah.

-Well, there's something coming here. -[all laugh]

I'm seeing impressions-- Okay, they know who Gladys Knight is.

-Right, I get it. Ha, ha. -[laughter]

-My mother's laughing. -[laughs]

-All right. -The question is…

[all] Do you know who Gladys Knight is?

-[Tyler] That's right. -[Amanda] I'm gonna say,

-of course, I know who Gladys Knight is! -Okay, she knows.

[overlapping chatter, laughter]

[Amanda] I would have loved to see Billy go, "No."

-"No. I've never heard of her." -"I have no idea who Gladys Knight is."

There's a song called "Precious Lord…"

-[Billy] Yes. -…that comes through, and this is good

to keep in mind. Do you ever remember her listening to this,

talking about this song?

Yes, it is the song that she wanted sung at her funeral,

-but I refused to have it done. -[Tyler] Got it. Okay.

-And that's okay! That's okay. -[all laugh]

-[Amanda] You refused? -[Mary] I refused.

[Amanda laughs]

[Chris] She's come to shake her finger at you.

-[laughter] -[Vanita] Oh, my God.

That's what she wanted, and I said, "Absolutely not."

-That's okay. That's all right. -Absolutely not.

Everybody has different preferences.

-That's the thing. -[Mary] Yes.

They sometimes come through often more joking than anything else,

and people find that surprising.

Like, "Why are they laughing on the other side?"

If anything, they just like to, kind of pop in, make fun, and then leave.

-[Amanda chuckles] -Aw.

But it shows that they're okay, that there's levity there,

-which is really important. -[Mary] Great.

[Tyler] I want to switch gears a little bit.

Amanda, do you have any questions or anything to share?

No, I just think that that was just so beautiful

with your mom, what you said.

I mean, I think that can resonate with a lot of people.

-So, thank you for sharing that. -[Tyler] Absolutely.

So many at home can relate and it just goes to show

-we can always progress. -Yeah.

Absolutely.

I wanna shift my focus a little over here, if that's okay.

And we can kind of try to see if we can dig in more.

I know we got you a little. I wanna connect with you.

Who are you hoping to hear from today?

-I was hoping to hear from my brother. -[Tyler] Okay.

-Did you bring any objects connected? -Yes.

[Tyler] Okay. I'd love to hold on to one and we can try to see if we can get him.

Oh, the CD.

-You had mentioned that earlier. -The CD.

And it's weird 'cause I wrote it down, wrote down big "CD" on the page,

much like how I did the reveal, then I threw it away.

And I was like, "No one's gonna bring a CD."

-Of course, they do. -[guests laugh]

So, that's good. But it does mean that there's probably something there.

So, let me look.

Oh. Dwayne, Wayne. Oh. [shushes]

This is kind of left field from this. This is just good to keep in mind.

Remember that I'm saying this…

[groans] There's some connection somewhere here

within like a name that would be like Dwayne or Wayne.

I'm going like Wayne, Dwayne, Wade, Wayne, Dwayne.

I'm going like that kind of sound. Who would that be?

My brother-in-law is Dwayne.

[Tyler] Okay, gotcha. So that's a good sign.

If I talk about four siblings in a family, where would there be four?

My family.

-[Tyler] Okay, gotcha, good sign. -[chuckles]

-[Tyler] It's all good. -Yes.

When we talk about this person,

this is just good to keep in mind, that whoever this individual is,

they're doing a double-name thing, and this is just good to consider,

good to remember that I'm saying this.

Whoever this person is who passed will end up having someone else

with the same name in some capacity,

either coincidentally or just the way it is,

but it just keeps coming in as connection.

Do you know of any same-name connections with this person?

Um… This-- No, but this person has two names.

Oh! And neither… neither no one else has

-within family. -Yes.

Where no births are going to happen,

where we're going to name anybody after anyone or anything like that.

-[Vanita] Right. -Okay. Let me look and see,

because they're doing the repetition of it,

but we're going to kind of figure out where this is.

If I have to talk about your mom, but in a living context,

-is mom still alive? -[Vanita] Yes.

[Tyler] Okay. They're putting a little extra emphasis

on her for some reason,

but how it relates to a death, grief, she's very much still here.

But they're giving me this kind of, I don't know how else to word this,

but the sense of no resolve, no closure.

They're putting it around mom for some reason.

Were she and brother not able to say goodbye at the end?

Um, they-- Yes, but in a weird sort of way.

-So my mom… my mom is in hospice. -[Tyler] Oh, I'm so sorry.

-And my mom is May. -[Tyler] Got it.

-Your mom is May. The month. -[Amanda] Oh, the month.

-Oh, the month. -Eula May.

[Tyler] Okay. Got it.

And so that was a very unique situation where mom was ill…

-Yes. -[Tyler] …evidently,

and then we have the situation with brother.

I just don't get a fair send off.

I feel more concerned about mom than I am myself.

It just keeps coming in as like bad timing,

not that there's ever a good time.

Do you know, um-- This is kind of interesting.

There might end up being kind of a celebrity component to this

in a funny sense of when we talk about this person,

them being honored by a celebrity or having a celebrity connection

in some kind of larger way that might seem surprising

as far as like how we honor this individual.

So just remember that that pops in there. Um…

I feel like I'm seeing some secret eyes over here and winks and smiles.

-Is this making sense to you? -It is making sense.

And it's probably making sense on that side of the couch as well.

-[Tyler] Got it, got it, got it. -[Amanda] Okay.

Um, do you-- Okay, let me look here.

Do you know of any connections to Valentine's Day

within your guys' family?

Uh, my mom's birthday is Valentine's Day, February 14th.

Um, any connections around the 14th of February at all?

Just out of curiosity.

-And if not, totally fine. -I can't think of any…

It is coming through in context of that.

So let me look. You're an Aquarius, right, Mom?

-[Theresa] Yes. -February 14th.

So it's my symbol for Aquarius.

The reason why this is coming in is…

I gotta talk about the receival of news

around this individual and receival of how someone passes.

This is kind of an interesting coincidence.

Check and see within family if…

there was one medical facility, and this is again,

may not be related to this, but check and see

if there was one medical facility that two people would have been taken to,

like same facility, but two people.

So for example, if one person gets treatment in a hospital,

and another family member gives birth in a hospital…

[chuckles] …and it's the same hospital.

Sometimes it's that kind of feeling of "I die in the hospital I was born in,"

or that kind of thing.

But it's a dual connection to one medical institution,

is kind of the way that I would word that.

Does that ring any bells to the best of your knowledge?

No. Um…

It does for my two names that are the same.

For the two names that are the same. Okay. I wonder if it kind of got

hijacked in that department.

Can you just quickly tell me where that fit with the dual…

Yes, they were both in end stages in various stages of the end stages

over two years together,

and they would be in the same hospital at times.

So I'd go visit and have to see them in different floors.

Oh, gotcha. So kind of like a dual visit, but same location, same place.

-[Chris] Yes. -Okay.

-[Chris] There for a week or two. -Gotcha.

So, very well could be kind of direct in that direction.

Let me look and see do you know

within your family if anyone has ever discussed

any genetic related health stuff?

This is good to keep in mind and probably more than anything,

just good to consider.

When we talk about genetic health,

very oftentimes that talks about our susceptibilities of developing issues,

you know, across time, um, related to our genes.

-Yes. -[Tyler] Just keep that in mind.

-Has that been a conversation? -Yes.

Okay. Um, that part comes in.

Just make sure everyone's all good in like the lupus front.

If we talk about like lupus or autoimmune related stuff,

there's stuff that kind of keeps coming in there where I want

to talk about my immune system and strength and that aspect.

One thing to keep in mind when it comes to that,

what was this person's name?

-Gary. -Gary. Um… Ah.

Give me one sec. Gary, Gary, Gary…

[scoffs] Ah…

Do you know of any memories of him scaring any of his siblings?

-All the time. -[Amanda] Oh, my Gosh.

[Tyler] Like, because I'm joking about this.

It's funny, like "boo," but not literally "boo,"

but like… I'm going to mess with him. Like funny, keeping you on your feet.

You don't want to get too relaxed.

It's very much like kind of funny, like I wanted to cut up,

um, but kind of at the cost of my siblings.

[laughs] It comes across funny.

Related to him, do you know if he had…

The way I would word this is, they're having me talk about him--

having me talk about transportation.

-So, did he drive? -Yes.

Okay. They're having me joke about his vehicle,

and the means of which how he would get from point A to point B.

And if there is something, this might be good to look into,

that, like, should have gotten cleaned out or fixed,

but this thing just kept going and going and going,

and we drive it anyway. [chuckling]

-[Amanda] Wait, your face. What is it? -[Tyler] It's coming in.

But there's this feeling of like, "Really?"

"You're gonna take this from here to there?"

"And how are you even doing this?" But he's just--

He's like, "This is my baby."

-"This is my car." -Absolutely.

[Tyler] Did that make sense?

So, Gary had this car that the gas gauge was broken.

-And so… -[laughter]

…I ran out of gas with my mom on the freeway,

and I was so, like, frustrated with him because… for obvious reasons,

and I had to, like, walk a mile on the side of the road…

-[laughter] -…to get help, and I-- It was a disaster.

-My mom was left by herself. -[Tyler] Aw.

-This was years ago, but-- -Yeah.

And we laughed about it, but it was horrible at the time,

and funny at the same time.

-[laughter] -[Tyler] That's always how it is.

It's serious in the moment, and then those are the memories,

that in hindsight, we're like, "Oh, look, that came through in the reading."

But yeah-- But it just comes across as quirky and jovial and funny,

but just very much…

I'm just like this, it's the only way to describe it.

And he just comes across very much at ease.

Sometimes, you know, I'll do an entire reading,

and never even know how somebody passed.

And I'm actually really curious to know, how did he actually make his transition?

Gary passed away from pancreatic cancer.

Aw. Got it. I'm so sorry.

Yeah, those situations, you just never know.

They often are so fast, and affect people so young.

And I hope this brings awareness to pancreatic health and awareness there.

So, that…

-Did he-- Can I ask a question, Tyler? -[Tyler] Yeah, of course.

So, did he-- He loved scaring people?

Like, that was just a part of his personality?

Yeah, I mean, he kept animatronic, like, figurines,

and things like that in his house that were creepy,

-and he thought it was funny. -[Amanda chuckling]

And I remember my son was afraid of it, and we would have to take the things down,

and then put the things back up

-when my son… -[chuckles]

…you know, would leave.

-And it was just, like, on and on. -[laughter]

He was like, "I don't like the jazz man."

My son was afraid of, like, a little jazz man,

and Gary just thought it was so funny.

And I'm like, "That's not funny. Everybody's crying.

Why are you bringing these out?" Oh, my God, his creepy little things.

[overlapping chatter, laughter]

It's the little things that become the big things.

I love that… [laughs] …that's part of what came through today.

[Tyler] I know!

Like what he wants to highlight to you, that's sweet.

And laughed his entire life up until the very end.

He was just the sweetest person, and everybody loved and adored him.

And he had that sense of humor.

I believe that. It definitely comes through. [chuckles]

My friends, this is just good to keep in mind.

There's a couple things that do pop in that initially I can't quite place.

So, two things to consider.

One, look and see if there's any names that would be similar to Jojo or O-O.

I'm going "O-O." It's not "Ho-ho."

-Okay. It's Jojo. -[group laughs]

But remember that I'm saying that 'cause that doesn't feel like

that's gonna hit, like, right now, but remembering this as well,

I feel like there's gonna be a sign in some way in--

through a nature kind of symbol,

and seeing a rainbow at a significant time in a person's life.

Now, the timing of this is what makes this strange.

It's basically the appearance of this in the clouds.

Of course it rains, and then we see

this kind of, like, beautiful timely manifestation of nature,

and it kind of comes in.

Does anybody have any experiences with that or not so much?

So, two things to look for,

'cause they're gonna be a little off the wall, but I think--

Watch if it starts raining when we leave the studio.

-[Amanda chuckling] -[Tyler] The clouds are gonna part--

But it does come in.

And so, I like to say those 'cause sometimes those will

kind of connect a little later.

I wanna take this a step further, and let's look,

'cause I wanna go-- Where do I wanna go? Let's see.

-Ooh! Do you mind if I touch that key? -[Ron] I don't.

Yeah, I'd love to see if we can get anything.

-Let's see what you got. -Yeah, all right, thank you so much.

I love this. Okay. And again, we might connect to this,

might just kind of end up going all across the board, but…

we will see where we go.

All right, so, I'm gonna talk to you about your family, your people.

So, within your family, all right?

We're gonna have to kind of take a mental note here.

I have to highlight a situation of, like, older females,

kind of par for the course,

but do you know of any situations in your family

where a female lost a son?

And this could be an adult son. It doesn't have to be like child son,

but basically, like older lady, and her adult son had passed.

-Over a period of time or recently? -[Tyler] Uh-huh.

-Sure, yeah. -Okay.

Which side of the family would you attribute that to?

-Oh, shit. It's my father's side. -[Tyler] That's okay.

-Yeah. -[Tyler] Where was the big house fire?

Do you remember any large house fires that would have happened in your family?

Any stories of anything catching on fire suddenly?

[chuckling]

I don't remember a fire.

Yes, there is. They're bringing me to kitchen-- kitchen fire instance.

I'm seeing like… [screams]

-And it keeps coming through. -We had a kitchen fire.

At the big house at Grandma's house, we had a kitchen fire there.

Okay, gotcha.

-What's that got to do with your key? -Right. [chuckles]

-[laughter] -He just said it comes in waves.

Gotcha. Okay, so, we got the kitchen fire there.

-No worries. -It was a bad kitchen fire.

-Yeah. -I was young when…

The people I'm thinking of past, so it could have happened,

-and I don't remember. -[Tyler] Okay, totally fine.

Do you know of any-- This is like the most common letter.

But do you know of any "J" names on that side of family at all?

[clicks tongue] Um…

[Tyler] 'Cause I have to go--

I'm like going kind of like obvious common initial thing,

but there's like three people that basically would have passed

within about a five-year period,

and this is all kind of good to keep in mind.

Three people, all kind of there, all within about half a decade,

would have went, and that's just kind of good

to keep in mind.

Do you know within your family, um… hmm… [smacks lips]

Anyone taking care of any older family members

currently who are alive?

Um…

[Tyler] Mom, or…?

-Yes. -[Tyler] Okay, who would that be?

Um… [sighs]

I mean…

What do you mean by taking care of?

So, I have an older relative who would still be living,

who would be generationally above you.

And that's indicative of someone older, still very much here.

But I see a younger generation

basically stepping in for that older person

and trying to kind of coax them into better care. [chuckles]

It's kind of a position of like--

-[Ron] That's, like, absolutely me. -Yeah.

But the thing is, it doesn't feel clear cut.

And the frustration with this is kind of like,

"We know what we need to do versus what we want to do."

And they're having to put a lot of patience around this,

but it very well may feel like pulling teeth a little bit.

It's a circumstance of kind of autonomy,

freedom, people not wanting to give up their freedoms,

-just a lot of that comes in. -Stop it.

-[Tyler] So, does that make sense? -Just stop it right now.

[group chuckles]

-Yeah, absolutely. -[Vanita] Hmm.

-[Tyler] So, that's-- -It's me and my cantankerous…

-stubborn mother. -[Tyler chuckling] Oh!

[Amanda chuckles] Oh, we love cantankerous!

[Tyler] One thing--

And just good to look into when we talk about if we go back

to basically the late '90s,

see if there were any fires or any significant things.

That's what I-- I'm going back to, like, the late '90s.

Check and see if there were any passings in family around then.

Out of curiosity, when did the people connect to this pass?

Um, in, like, 2000-- like, right when COVID started.

-[Tyler] Oh! So, 2020. -2020.

Okay, gotcha. So, more recent.

So, we're kind of bridging more newer people, older people.

All of it is just going to, kind of, take into consideration.

But by and large, it's very interesting, this mother thing…

Remember that I'm saying this, they're just showing me, like,

you know where you would leave, like, an oven on,

and like, fire, they're just putting caution around fire.

-And it's coming through… -[chuckles]

-…so did she, like, leave a burner on? -She…

absolutely, at some point, burned something down.

-I don't know what it was, it didn't-- -[Tyler] All right.

It didn't, like-- It wasn't something that,

like, I believe…

-like, paramedics were called, right? -[Tyler laughing]

-[Amanda chuckles] -But she's--

Like, she's been a little absent-minded sometimes, so of course…

-[Tyler] Yeah. -…something caught on fire.

[Tyler] Something caught on fire.

-That maybe I didn't hear about. -It's all good.

-But it would be with her. -[Tyler] Yeah.

-[Amanda chuckling] -And she's gonna hate me

-for saying that. -[Tyler] It's okay.

[laughter]

So, avoid kitchen fires is what just keeps coming in, so…

-Yeah. -So, good to consider, but that is--

-[Billy] Mother! -[laughter]

[Tyler] I'm gonna stick to iced treats. Like, ice cream.

-Not iced-- -[Billy] Mom hates--

-[Amanda] Popsicles. [chuckles] -That's a--

Don't be burning nothin' down, baby!

-[Amanda laughs] -[Tyler] Exactly.

[laughter]

But there's a lot of love around this,

and just a sense of selflessness and compromise,

-and doing right by everybody. -Yeah.

-Yeah. -It looks really, really positive.

-Thank you for that. -[Tyler] Thank you. That's so cool.

I feel like we've made some kind of neat connections with each one

in various capacities. And, you know, for me,

I always say grief is something that's a lifelong relationship.

And readings don't cure grief as much as they let us know

that in some way they still watch us. They're still involved in our lives.

And I think in such a beautiful way, you have exemplified…

Both of you, in many ways, about, you know,

living in such a way so as to prevent future regret.

And with your mom, and what she went through and evolved,

and her openness and willingness to do better

when she knows better, that is a gift that she gave you,

-but you gave her the gift of forgiveness. -[groans softly]

[Tyler] And that's one of the greatest things

you could have done. That is such a joy that you are her son.

And I hope you know that.

Everything that makes you you is just perfect.

I'm so thankful you were here, my friend.

-Thank you. -[Tyler] Thank you, Billy.

Oh, and I love your outfit. It goes without saying.

-[guests laughing] -Yeah.

[Tyler] Oh, you beautiful soul.

-We need more of you… -Thank you.

-…and we need more of these stories. -[groans softly]

Yes.

Yeah, we don't talk about that part enough, I don't think.

-[Tyler] Yes. -[Amanda] Mm-hmm.

You know, so much of, you know, what sells…

You know, if it bleeds, it leads. So much of what sells is the negative.

-[Tyler] Yes. -And, you know, when you're dealing

with queer people and queer stories,

you know, it becomes about the trauma of something,

you know, the queer trauma.

-And there is joy in those spaces as well. -[Tyler] Yes.

And there is healing in those spaces as well.

And I'm grateful to be able to talk about that…

-[Tyler] Yes. -…out loud.

-[Ron] Yeah. -You know, because my mother

was a real example of…

She was the personification of what true Christianity really is…

-[Tyler] Yes. -…in practice and in real time.

And I say that all the time. I've said it for many, many years.

And, you know,

-I hope that she can be an example… -[Tyler] Absolutely.

-…to those who might be struggling. -[Tyler] Definitely.

And that you can still have your faith…

-Yes. -…and still be inclusive in love.

And that's really the essence of what it is all about, everybody.

-[Amanda] Yeah. -Yep.

-[Billy chuckles] -That's amazing.

I love that you brought that object with you today.

-That was her hat, right? -Yeah, it was her Jesus hat, yeah.

-Yes. -[Amanda] Did she wear that all the time?

-Yes. -She had no qualms about it.

-[Amanda laughing] -[Billy] "Jesus is my Savior."

[overlapping chatter, laughter]

-Her answering machine would say… -"Jesus is the reason for the season."

-[Amanda] Oh, I love that. I love that. -[Tyler] Oh, my God! That's beautiful.

-Can't forget. -[Billy] No!

-[Tyler] That's so sweet. -I love that.

-Aw, well, thank you, Tyler. -[Tyler] Thank you.

That was absolutely amazing.

-Thank you, Tyler. -Thank you, Billy,

-guests. -This was fun!

-[Amanda] Oh, gosh, I'm so glad. -And you got to all of--

You know, I love that, like, everybody, you know, got some good stuff.

-[Tyler] Gets a little something. -I would like to nominate Chris

for best in-seat moving when he thought it was something

-that resonated with him. -[overlapping chatter]

Your body, you were, like, holding it, and you're like…

-[squeaks, laughs] -[group laughs]

All right, well, thank you so much, you guys,

and thank you to everyone for joining us today

and for watching at home, and to you, Tyler,

and we will be back next week, same time, same place.

We'll see you on the other side.

[Billy] Yay.

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