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ELIZABETH: When I look
at those photographs,
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I just realize, what felt like
a deep and meaningful
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relationship we had,
just having fun;
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my daughter's in most
of the pictures;
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um, it just...
it felt very inclusive.
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And I think that's why I
had such a difficult time
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ever letting go
of... of him.
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It's so incompatible
with the Ted that I knew.
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I just didn't think
he could do these things.
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REPORTER: Theodore Robert Bundy,
at age 28,
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a University of Utah
law student...
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BUNDY: How you doin'?
WOMAN: Good, how are you?
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REPORTER: At 30,
a Colorado jail escapee
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and one of the FBI's
ten most wanted men.
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BARBARA: Ted Bundy knew
how to prey on women.
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BARBARA: He knew he was
going to go after women
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for their good nature,
their willingness to help out,
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their empathy, their belief
that they should be nurturers,
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that they should be kind,
and especially be kind to men.
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KATHY: My jaw was
broken in three places.
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I had lacerations
on my shoulder.
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KAREN: I had a broken jaw.
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Um, some of my teeth
were knocked out.
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REPORTER: 3, 2, 1.
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Tonight, Ted Bundy
and cameras in the courtroom...
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REPORTER: Ted Bundy...
REPORTER: Ted Bundy...
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REPORTER: Ted Bundy...
REPORTER: Ted Bundy...
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REPORTER: Ted Bundy...
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REPORTER: Theodore
Robert Bundy...
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MAN: Smile, Ted.
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LAURA: The Ted Bundy story
has been recycled
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over and over
and over again.
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It makes for great
entertainment.
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He's a fascinating,
evil character.
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GINGER: It's a discounting
of the stories of the women,
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in favour of the central hero
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being the most important
character in the narrative.
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And that is
the failure to look deeper
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and think harder about violence
against women in our culture.
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WOMAN: [screams]
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PY: At that time,
women were on the cusp
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of becoming independent.
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You're starting to feel
like you can do anything,
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and all of a sudden,
you get walloped.
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LAURA: I guess I feel like
speaking about my sister now
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because women's lives
are still secondary to men,
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and somewhat expendable.
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It's the only reason to
really poke at it again,
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is to try to learn something,
to rise above it.
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ELIZABETH: The story has
been told many times by men.
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I want to tell the story
because I think
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there are some lessons
to be learned.
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Now's the time
to talk about this.
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And all of...
all of this.
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Not just bits
and pieces of it,
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but my story from
beginning to end.
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♪ Poses, poses ♪
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♪ That's all you are to me ♪
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♪ Roses, roses ♪
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♪ That's all
you're offering me ♪
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ELIZABETH: I've had
so much to work through
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since all of this happened.
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There was shame;
there was guilt;
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there was all kinds of
things that I...
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I didn't feel
really good about.
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ELIZABETH: Even after
he was arrested
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and he was in prison,
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he wrote me
many, many letters
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where he talked about
me and my daughter
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being the best thing
that ever happened to him,
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and that's what he really
missed by not being free.
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He missed our life together.
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[exhales]
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Gosh, it's...
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Oh, my gosh.
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"I would not change places
with any other man in the world.
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"I consider you
a miracle in my life,
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"and in spite of the disaster
we have suffered,
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"I would not,
for a moment,
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"ever wish for another woman.
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"You are the most loving and
lovely woman I have ever known.
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"You are in my mind constantly.
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"No words could
express adequately
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"the dimensions of my feelings.
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"I shall love you forever
and forever in my dreams.
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"I shall love you with every
long-haired beauty I see.
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"I shall love you with
every clear blue sky.
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"I will love you
until my last breath.
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"No goodbyes,
just I love you."
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[sighs]
That one...
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That one still gets me.
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ELIZABETH: We came over I-90,
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which is through
the mountains.
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It had been raining,
and there was mist in the air
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that was hanging
at the tops of the trees.
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And then we ended up
on a floating bridge
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that went across
Lake Washington.
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It was just beautiful.
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And it just
knocked my socks off.
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I was so happy to be here.
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I thought,
"This is it.
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"This is the place
I want to be."
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So I was a single mom,
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and I was moving here from Utah
with my daughter, Molly.
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ELIZABETH: I found a place
on Capitol Hill,
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which was kind of
run-down at the time.
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It was a one-bedroom
apartment,
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so my daughter
slept on the couch.
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But it was close to
where my friend lived,
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so I felt comfortable
about that.
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You know, there weren't
a lot of options in the day.
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There was like teaching,
nursing, secretarial work.
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I thought I would be
really happy
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working at the
University of Washington,
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and I knew I could be
a good secretary.
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[sound of fountains]
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ELIZABETH: The first
interview I went out on,
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they hired me right away,
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and I thought,
"Oh, this is great."
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And it just felt like I'm...
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gonna have this big adventure.
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ELIZABETH: My daughter,
she was just three
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when I went to work.
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I found a good
daycare for her,
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but it was hard for me
to drop her off in the morning,
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so they'd let me bring
my daughter to work,
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and she enjoyed it as much
as I enjoyed having her there.
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ROBERT: When I was
first introduced to Liz,
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I just couldn't believe it.
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She just looked
so young and...
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and so vulnerable.
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The look on her face,
it was like,
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"Oh my God, I finally
got a job at the U."
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She just looked like
she was so wide-eyed
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and hadn't been
very many places.
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ELIZABETH: Growing up
in Utah,
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I was the youngest
out of four kids.
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Not that I was ever that good
at going to Mormon church,
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but it was the culture in Utah.
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All your neighbours
are Mormon.
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Everything that
goes on down there
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has got influenced
by the LDS church.
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The wife is there to support the
husband in his important work,
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and so the most important
job for a woman
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is to be a good wife
and a good mother.
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MORMON WOMAN: In
the Relief Society,
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we learn how to become
better wives and mothers,
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and receive
religious instruction
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in this worldwide organization.
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[baby laughs]
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MORMON WOMAN: I feel
that Mormon women
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have always been liberated.
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NEIGHBOUR: Hi, Jeanette.
JEANETTE: Won't you come in?
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ELIZABETH: I often looked
at my parents' marriage,
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and I thought,
"That's just not for me,"
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because my dad was
the one that went out
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and made the living
and brought in the money,
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and my mom
took care of the home.
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And even though I was
really wanting a family,
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I didn't see myself as
having to... ask for money.
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And so it felt like there
was really not a place for me.
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I mean, I just felt like
I stuck out like a sore thumb.
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ELIZABETH: Since an early age
I've been shy,
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so it's been a
lifetime of struggle.
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When I meet new people
or I'm in a situation
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that I've not been in before,
I just get so tongue-tied,
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and really wishing that I
could just crawl into a hole.
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I think it had a lot to do
with self esteem.
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I just grew up thinking,
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"There's something
wrong with me.
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"I don't know what it is."
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ELIZABETH: In college,
I went through sorority rush,
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and at the end of that,
I... I didn't get a bid,
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as they call it,
and I got dropped.
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And even though I didn't think
I wanted to be in a sorority,
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it was still devastating
because it felt like rejection.
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And that's when I realized
that if I drank,
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that I was just way more fun.
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So I just felt
smarter, prettier,
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more charming, funnier.
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So drinking was
a big problem,
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and it did nothing
to help me become
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the person that I
was hoping to become.
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ELIZABETH: I did get
married and had a baby
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while I was still in college.
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My husband was very immature.
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He was a year younger than me
and partying a lot.
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The marriage just
didn't survive.
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ELIZABETH: I really wanted
to get married again
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and have more children.
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I thought that Seattle
would be the place
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where I would
really settle down,
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and I was just gonna work there
until I found Mr. Right.
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[indistinct voices]
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ELIZABETH: When I first
walked onto campus,
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I saw that there was
this huge demonstration,
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and I saw all these
police cars go by,
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and they were full of
police in riot gear.
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I had no idea
what was going on.
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And all of a sudden
a big cheer went up,
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and these people had pushed
a bulldozer into this pit
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that had been dug
for a new building.
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[people cheering]
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ELIZABETH: And there were
cops coming in riot gear
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by the carful, and I
just stood on the sidewalk
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and watched it all,
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because I'd never seen
anything like that in Utah.
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[people chanting]
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KNUTE: The University of
Washington was a hotbed
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of anti-war movement.
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There were campus radicals;
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there was bombings;
there were riots.
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And young women were
showing more independence,
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trying new things.
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BARBARA: I was
an undergraduate
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at the University of Washington.
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I was involved
in the anti-war movement.
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I was involved in
all sorts of left-wing,
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progressive politics,
so for me,
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the political life at the
university was just wonderful.
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It was a lot of fun.
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PROTESTORS: Two, four,
six, eight!
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Separate the
church and state!
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SPEAKER: Women have
a fundamental right
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to control their own bodies
and to control their own lives.
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[crowd cheering]
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PY: I came here in '69
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not knowing what
I was getting into.
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We were making connections
that we hadn't made before.
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We were working together.
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It was a time of discovery.
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You know, the world
seemed like a new place.
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PROTESTORS: [chanting]
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NEWSWOMAN: This is a
search for equality
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of opportunity, not the
wish to be just like men.
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It is a desire for
more options, for choice,
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for a shattering
of stereotypes,
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for women to choose more freely
the kinds of lives
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that they want to live.
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BROWN: Sex and the Single Girl
does state the fact
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that single women do have
sex lives occasionally,
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and it isn't the end of
the world when they have them.
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The girl simply is not
ruined, in my opinion,
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if she has had an affair
before she gets married.
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ELIZABETH: It was
a liberating time.
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It opened all these
choices to us.
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And we were in control
of our own fertility,
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our own bodies.
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It was a revolutionary change.
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CHISHOLM: What we need
is to thrust new people
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into the limelight and to
show the range and breadth
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of talent among women
all over this nation.
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[applause]
286
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WOMAN: We are
a delegation!
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We are women and we are
allowed in this door.
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WOMAN: Yes!
289
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WOMAN: We're trying to point
out what it feels like
290
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to be whistled at,
put down constantly sexually,
291
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every time we walk
down the street.
292
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We'd like people to understand
what it feels like to have
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someone go [kissing sound]
all the time.
294
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MAN: Yay!
295
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WOMAN: We're
supposed to dig it
296
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because we're supposed to dig
that we're sexual objects,
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and we don't want to be
sexual objects anymore.
298
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WOMAN: I don't want to
be treated that way.
299
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I want to have the rights
to be a human being.
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MAN: You ain't got the guts
enough to do it.
301
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PY: Men who were
growing up in the times
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when women were subservient,
303
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and came of age when women
were moving past that,
304
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I believe it triggered some
very strong feelings in them,
305
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and in some of them,
it was rage.
306
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♪
307
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ELIZABETH: My friend
and I decided
308
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that we were gonna go out.
309
00:13:44,282 --> 00:13:47,542
It was my first night that
I went out dancing in Seattle.
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We found a babysitter
for my daughter,
311
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and we went to a tavern
in the U District
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called the Sandpiper.
313
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I noticed just a
really good-looking man.
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He was sitting
at the table by himself,
315
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and he said his name:
it was Ted.
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♪
317
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ELIZABETH: I was flattered
when he asked me to dance.
318
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I really had my eye on him
all night, basically.
319
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We did dance, and then
that was the end of it,
320
00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:16,404
so I was thinking maybe
he was gonna ask me again,
321
00:14:16,439 --> 00:14:17,689
but he didn't.
322
00:14:17,732 --> 00:14:20,362
And I went over and
started talking to him.
323
00:14:20,402 --> 00:14:24,162
As a single mom, I never wanted
to be bringing men home,
324
00:14:24,197 --> 00:14:26,487
but I was too drunk
to drive, really,
325
00:14:26,533 --> 00:14:28,743
and I said, "So, will you
spend the night here?"
326
00:14:28,785 --> 00:14:29,865
And he said, "Yes."
327
00:14:29,911 --> 00:14:31,331
So I just laid down
on the top of my bed
328
00:14:31,371 --> 00:14:34,041
without changing
my clothes or anything,
329
00:14:34,082 --> 00:14:36,792
but he didn't try to
kiss me or do any of that.
330
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♪
331
00:14:40,422 --> 00:14:41,672
ELIZABETH: When I
got up in the morning,
332
00:14:41,715 --> 00:14:44,005
he had gotten Molly up,
333
00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:47,260
and he was fixing breakfast
for both of us.
334
00:14:47,304 --> 00:14:50,104
So it just was like,
"Oh, my gosh."
335
00:14:50,140 --> 00:14:53,230
It just took my
breath away, basically.
336
00:14:53,268 --> 00:14:57,268
♪
337
00:14:57,314 --> 00:14:59,154
ROBERT: I was kidding her
when she come in;
338
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I said, "What are
you grinning about?
339
00:15:01,026 --> 00:15:02,686
"You look so happy."
340
00:15:02,736 --> 00:15:05,026
She said, "I met
a guy last night,
341
00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:09,621
"and oh, what a handsome
looking dude he was."
342
00:15:09,659 --> 00:15:12,159
[laughs]
I says, "Oh, really?"
343
00:15:12,203 --> 00:15:16,833
And she was telling me all about
the manly jawline he had,
344
00:15:16,875 --> 00:15:19,705
and how well-dressed he was.
345
00:15:19,753 --> 00:15:22,213
And I said, "Well,
what happened?"
346
00:15:22,255 --> 00:15:24,965
She says, "You know,
I went over
347
00:15:25,008 --> 00:15:27,258
"and I danced with him,"
348
00:15:27,302 --> 00:15:32,022
and she said,
"You can't believe the enjoyment
349
00:15:32,057 --> 00:15:37,017
"and the exhilaration of meeting
somebody who reflected to me
350
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"how I was feeling about him."
351
00:15:39,314 --> 00:15:41,234
This is the way
she went on and on.
352
00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:43,284
And I said,
"What is this guy's name?"
353
00:15:43,318 --> 00:15:45,238
And she said,
"Ted Bundy."
354
00:15:45,278 --> 00:15:47,988
♪
355
00:15:51,743 --> 00:15:53,543
ELIZABETH: I have not had
that with anyone else,
356
00:15:53,578 --> 00:15:57,578
where I just right off the bat
felt connected to someone.
357
00:15:57,624 --> 00:16:00,884
It just felt like
two pieces of a puzzle
358
00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:03,129
coming together.
It just fit.
359
00:16:03,171 --> 00:16:06,171
And it was really
quite spectacular.
360
00:16:06,216 --> 00:16:08,586
♪
361
00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:10,175
ELIZABETH: I thought
he was very funny,
362
00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:14,390
and he seemed very mature,
and he seemed polished.
363
00:16:14,432 --> 00:16:17,142
And he told me that
he was a law student,
364
00:16:17,185 --> 00:16:19,515
so I thought,
365
00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:22,482
"As a lawyer, he's certainly
going to make a nice living
366
00:16:22,524 --> 00:16:25,614
"and have these wonderful
things that he wants."
367
00:16:25,652 --> 00:16:27,072
And since I was
new to Seattle,
368
00:16:27,112 --> 00:16:30,032
he could hardly wait to show me
his favourite restaurants.
369
00:16:30,073 --> 00:16:33,243
He had a favourite Asian
rug store that we went to
370
00:16:33,284 --> 00:16:34,664
and looked at
all the Asian rugs.
371
00:16:34,703 --> 00:16:36,873
And just things that I...
372
00:16:36,913 --> 00:16:39,543
I thought were
just endearing.
373
00:16:39,582 --> 00:16:42,922
♪
374
00:16:42,961 --> 00:16:44,001
ELIZABETH: My daughter
had a lot of friends
375
00:16:44,045 --> 00:16:45,295
in our neighbourhood,
376
00:16:45,338 --> 00:16:47,338
and so Ted was
really fun with them;
377
00:16:47,382 --> 00:16:48,722
he'd play with them.
378
00:16:48,758 --> 00:16:50,928
He'd get a hose and they'd
all get their little umbrellas
379
00:16:50,969 --> 00:16:52,349
and they'd be in
their swimming suits,
380
00:16:52,387 --> 00:16:54,347
and he'd make rain
for them on the lawn.
381
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:57,269
And of course,
the kids loved it.
382
00:16:57,308 --> 00:17:00,268
He taught my daughter
how to ride her bike.
383
00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:02,941
She just really
took to that.
384
00:17:06,609 --> 00:17:08,949
MOLLY: Much like it is
with everybody's dad
385
00:17:08,987 --> 00:17:10,657
teaching them
to ride a bike,
386
00:17:10,697 --> 00:17:12,487
he ran along.
387
00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:14,332
Well, actually,
let me start at this.
388
00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:17,577
He did not like it that I had
training wheels on my bike,
389
00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:21,040
and so he took these
wheels off my bike,
390
00:17:21,082 --> 00:17:23,132
and he would hold
onto the back of it
391
00:17:23,168 --> 00:17:27,168
and run down
the alleyway with me.
392
00:17:27,213 --> 00:17:29,383
And I would try to steer,
393
00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:32,304
and all of a sudden
he said something,
394
00:17:32,343 --> 00:17:34,643
and he was way at the
other end of the alley,
395
00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:37,349
and I realized I'm riding
this bike by myself,
396
00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:40,810
so I crashed into
someone's garage promptly.
397
00:17:40,852 --> 00:17:44,942
♪
398
00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:46,521
MOLLY: I remember
meeting him.
399
00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:50,316
The first night when he
came home with my mom
400
00:17:50,361 --> 00:17:51,491
to our house,
401
00:17:51,529 --> 00:17:54,369
and he read me
my favourite book,
402
00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:56,577
which I had memorized.
403
00:17:56,618 --> 00:18:00,618
It was called, "Teddy Bear
from Bumpkin Hollow."
404
00:18:00,663 --> 00:18:02,833
He would read a line
and he would say, "Freddy Bear,"
405
00:18:02,874 --> 00:18:05,544
and I'd say, "Not Freddy Bear,
Teddy Bear,"
406
00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:07,495
and he would
just make it ridiculous,
407
00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:09,005
and I would laugh.
408
00:18:09,047 --> 00:18:11,467
And I thought
he was delightful.
409
00:18:11,508 --> 00:18:14,508
♪
410
00:18:14,552 --> 00:18:16,352
MOLLY: If you look at
any of these pictures,
411
00:18:16,387 --> 00:18:19,807
he's swinging me in circles,
head first to the ground.
412
00:18:19,849 --> 00:18:24,599
And he was always throwing me,
hanging me upside down.
413
00:18:24,646 --> 00:18:27,016
And I trusted him
a hundred percent.
414
00:18:27,065 --> 00:18:30,815
I mean, he gave you
his entire self.
415
00:18:30,860 --> 00:18:32,780
And, you know, for a kid,
that's everything,
416
00:18:32,821 --> 00:18:37,701
for somebody to pay exquisite
attention to your experiences,
417
00:18:37,742 --> 00:18:39,292
what you're looking for.
418
00:18:39,327 --> 00:18:42,117
And, I mean, I could see
he lit my mom up
419
00:18:42,163 --> 00:18:44,173
like a woman in love,
420
00:18:44,207 --> 00:18:45,997
and that just made sense.
421
00:18:46,042 --> 00:18:47,672
We were like a family.
422
00:18:47,710 --> 00:18:49,880
That's what I remember.
423
00:18:49,921 --> 00:18:53,011
♪
424
00:18:53,049 --> 00:18:54,379
ELIZABETH: Well,
he did seem to just
425
00:18:54,425 --> 00:18:56,465
settle right in
to our family.
426
00:18:56,511 --> 00:18:58,511
It was like everything
that I'd ever wanted,
427
00:18:58,555 --> 00:19:00,385
so I was hooked.
428
00:19:00,431 --> 00:19:02,431
♪
429
00:19:02,475 --> 00:19:06,595
ROBERT: That continuous
happiness just radiated in her.
430
00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:11,606
And it was such a sweet story
to watch love grow
431
00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:14,401
and be so intense
and so complete.
432
00:19:14,445 --> 00:19:18,775
She swore that it was
like going to heaven.
433
00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:21,615
ELIZABETH: I felt good
in the relationship
434
00:19:21,661 --> 00:19:23,041
and I felt loved.
435
00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:25,289
I just didn't
have any doubts.
436
00:19:25,331 --> 00:19:28,291
Ted and my dad had a bond
that was really different
437
00:19:28,334 --> 00:19:30,004
than my relationship
with my dad,
438
00:19:30,044 --> 00:19:34,974
but they'd just talk about
football and politics, and...
439
00:19:35,008 --> 00:19:37,338
just have a good
time together.
440
00:19:37,385 --> 00:19:38,885
And pretty soon
he was asking if he could
441
00:19:38,928 --> 00:19:41,758
bring his little brother
Richard along
442
00:19:41,806 --> 00:19:44,636
on certain outings
that we were going on.
443
00:19:44,684 --> 00:19:46,024
♪
444
00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:47,480
RICHARD: My name
is Rich Bundy,
445
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,980
and I was Ted Bundy's
little brother.
446
00:19:51,024 --> 00:19:56,244
♪
447
00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:58,239
RICHARD: We were more
than just brothers.
448
00:19:58,281 --> 00:20:00,411
You know,
we were close friends.
449
00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:02,370
You know, I really
looked forward
450
00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:04,790
to spending time with him,
which I did a lot of.
451
00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:07,919
I'd spend weekends
with him, and...
452
00:20:07,957 --> 00:20:09,287
summer vacations from school,
453
00:20:09,334 --> 00:20:12,464
I'd go live with him for
most of the summer vacation.
454
00:20:12,503 --> 00:20:15,053
He was living in Seattle
and he'd have me come up there,
455
00:20:15,089 --> 00:20:18,089
spend the weekend,
a couple times a month.
456
00:20:18,134 --> 00:20:21,394
You know, we'd go over
and pick up Liz and Molly
457
00:20:21,429 --> 00:20:23,679
and get the raft out,
and it would just be--
458
00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:26,063
seemed like a really healthy,
"Okay, I got the basket.
459
00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:27,520
"Okay, doodly-doo,"
you know?
460
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:28,980
"Here we go."
461
00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:30,900
Like...
462
00:20:30,939 --> 00:20:32,689
the Wally and the Beaver,
you know?
463
00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:35,532
That's an analogy some people
won't understand, but...
464
00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:37,448
Uh, we were very close.
465
00:20:37,487 --> 00:20:38,737
INTERVIEWER: You loved him.
466
00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:40,070
RICHARD: I did love him.
467
00:20:40,114 --> 00:20:42,084
♪
468
00:20:42,116 --> 00:20:44,036
ELIZABETH: Ted just
adored Richard.
469
00:20:44,077 --> 00:20:47,867
Always wanted to take him places
and do things with him.
470
00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:49,584
We would frequently go,
471
00:20:49,624 --> 00:20:53,384
me and Ted
and Molly and Richard,
472
00:20:53,419 --> 00:20:56,049
and we'd go and raft
down certain rivers,
473
00:20:56,089 --> 00:21:00,009
and so it was a lot of fun,
and we did a lot of rafting.
474
00:21:00,051 --> 00:21:01,971
I know that Richard
looked up to him,
475
00:21:02,011 --> 00:21:05,261
and kind of held him in awe.
476
00:21:05,306 --> 00:21:06,556
RICHARD: You know,
the kind of thing
477
00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:08,769
a boy of 12 years old
just automatically thinks, like,
478
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:12,060
"Oh, hey, that person's
really awesome,
479
00:21:12,105 --> 00:21:13,265
"got it together.
480
00:21:13,314 --> 00:21:15,984
"I'm gonna follow
what they say."
481
00:21:16,025 --> 00:21:18,815
It's like he could
do no wrong.
482
00:21:18,861 --> 00:21:21,071
So...
483
00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:24,078
Yeah.
484
00:21:24,117 --> 00:21:27,197
♪
485
00:21:27,245 --> 00:21:31,455
♪
486
00:21:31,499 --> 00:21:36,089
♪
487
00:21:36,129 --> 00:21:38,509
♪
488
00:21:38,548 --> 00:21:41,928
JOEL: I was an instructor
at University of Washington,
489
00:21:41,968 --> 00:21:46,308
teaching undergraduate
abnormal psychology.
490
00:21:46,347 --> 00:21:48,097
A big thing on campus
at the time
491
00:21:48,141 --> 00:21:50,391
was eliminating grades.
492
00:21:50,435 --> 00:21:53,475
And somebody spoke up
and said,
493
00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:55,191
"Well, we ought to
assign our own grades.
494
00:21:55,231 --> 00:21:57,781
"If I think I deserve a B,
I'll work toward a B,
495
00:21:57,817 --> 00:21:59,607
"and that's what I'll get."
496
00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:02,282
And pretty soon,
everybody's going, "Yeah."
497
00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,781
It felt like the class was
about to spin out of control
498
00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:09,044
until this voice from about
three quarters of the way back
499
00:22:09,078 --> 00:22:12,918
spoke up and said,
"No.
500
00:22:12,957 --> 00:22:15,327
"Things need to
be done properly.
501
00:22:15,376 --> 00:22:19,126
"There needs to be evaluation
of our accomplishments,
502
00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:23,512
"and there needs to be order."
503
00:22:23,551 --> 00:22:25,221
And so I...
you know,
504
00:22:25,261 --> 00:22:28,101
I looked up,
and here's this fellow
505
00:22:28,139 --> 00:22:30,559
dressed,
tweed sport coat,
506
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,020
button-down dress shirt,
penny loafers,
507
00:22:34,062 --> 00:22:37,652
amid this sea of the
unwashed, unshaven hippies.
508
00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:41,190
That was my introduction
to Ted Bundy.
509
00:22:41,235 --> 00:22:44,065
♪
510
00:22:44,113 --> 00:22:45,783
JOEL: I thought
he was being kind,
511
00:22:45,823 --> 00:22:51,503
I thought he was a person
of some character.
512
00:22:51,537 --> 00:22:53,917
And I felt a sense of relief
513
00:22:53,956 --> 00:22:55,666
because a few moments earlier,
514
00:22:55,708 --> 00:22:57,248
I felt beleaguered.
515
00:22:57,293 --> 00:23:00,253
He seemed like
a very likeable guy.
516
00:23:00,296 --> 00:23:03,796
♪
517
00:23:03,841 --> 00:23:05,471
DONNA: I was working
at a place called
518
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:07,470
Law and Justice
Planning Office.
519
00:23:07,512 --> 00:23:10,262
And one of the things
we were to do was to improve
520
00:23:10,306 --> 00:23:12,556
crime prevention
in the city of Seattle.
521
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,020
The whole rape issue
was important at that time,
522
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:18,651
and I was lucky enough
to do a study on rape
523
00:23:18,689 --> 00:23:22,149
based on reported
rapes in Seattle
524
00:23:22,193 --> 00:23:25,533
in the previous
several years.
525
00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:28,531
I received a telephone call
from my mentor
526
00:23:28,574 --> 00:23:30,544
at the University
of Washington,
527
00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:34,536
and she called to say
that she had a student,
528
00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:37,290
and his name was Ted Bundy.
529
00:23:39,043 --> 00:23:41,923
DONNA: He had applied
to law school,
530
00:23:41,963 --> 00:23:46,133
but his grades for his
first two years in college
531
00:23:46,175 --> 00:23:48,005
were very poor.
532
00:23:48,052 --> 00:23:51,392
So his plan was to meet
people in the system
533
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,270
and have recommendations
to take with him
534
00:23:54,308 --> 00:23:57,648
on his next round of
applications for law school.
535
00:23:57,687 --> 00:24:01,727
He was so impressive
that he was hired
536
00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:05,284
for a brand-new project,
this crime prevention project.
537
00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:07,449
♪
538
00:24:07,488 --> 00:24:11,658
DONNA: He was to be working
with some prominent lawyers
539
00:24:11,701 --> 00:24:13,541
and some businessmen
and other people
540
00:24:13,578 --> 00:24:16,038
who were interested
in preventing crime.
541
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,710
The head of the Commission
at that time
542
00:24:17,748 --> 00:24:20,878
was Professor Ezra Stotland
from the university,
543
00:24:20,918 --> 00:24:26,298
and Ezra was
so charmed by him
544
00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:29,640
that he had him to dinner
at his home many times,
545
00:24:29,677 --> 00:24:34,017
and told me that
his 16-year-old daughter
546
00:24:34,056 --> 00:24:38,556
also thought that
Ted was just special.
547
00:24:38,603 --> 00:24:41,273
And Ezra said, "You know,
I secretly hoped
548
00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:44,574
"that my daughter would marry
someone just like him."
549
00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:46,399
JOEL: If I were the father
of a young woman
550
00:24:46,444 --> 00:24:49,574
and this young man
came to the door
551
00:24:49,614 --> 00:24:51,914
to take my daughter
to the prom,
552
00:24:51,949 --> 00:24:55,619
I would think, "I know
she'll be safe with him."
553
00:24:55,661 --> 00:24:59,421
Because he really did come
across as a Prince Charming.
554
00:25:00,458 --> 00:25:01,748
DONNA: And he was so smooth.
555
00:25:01,792 --> 00:25:03,172
He could attract you.
556
00:25:03,211 --> 00:25:05,251
He could pull you
right into his space.
557
00:25:05,296 --> 00:25:06,666
He had a way about him.
558
00:25:06,714 --> 00:25:09,094
He talked very quietly
and very softly.
559
00:25:09,133 --> 00:25:12,723
You had to lean forward
to hear him, and it...
560
00:25:12,762 --> 00:25:15,312
and it closed the space
between the two of you,
561
00:25:15,348 --> 00:25:17,768
and you were in his space,
essentially.
562
00:25:17,808 --> 00:25:22,018
♪
563
00:25:22,063 --> 00:25:24,693
♪
564
00:25:24,732 --> 00:25:26,732
ELIZABETH: He was very
interested in politics.
565
00:25:26,776 --> 00:25:28,526
And he liked hanging out
with people
566
00:25:28,569 --> 00:25:31,199
that were part of
the Republican party.
567
00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:34,239
EVANS: This nation
demands new leadership.
568
00:25:34,283 --> 00:25:37,413
This is the Republican hour.
569
00:25:37,453 --> 00:25:39,713
[applause]
570
00:25:39,747 --> 00:25:43,327
KNUTE: Ted Bundy worked
for the very popular
571
00:25:43,376 --> 00:25:46,046
pro-environment Republican
governor that we had,
572
00:25:46,087 --> 00:25:47,297
Dan Evans.
573
00:25:47,338 --> 00:25:48,838
AD: Who's making sure
California won't get
574
00:25:48,881 --> 00:25:51,131
one drop of
Washington water?
575
00:25:51,175 --> 00:25:53,795
[slurping sound]
Governor Dan Evans.
576
00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:55,724
Who got the state's
freeway construction
577
00:25:55,763 --> 00:25:57,563
back on schedule?
578
00:25:57,598 --> 00:25:59,678
Governor Dan Evans.
[car honks]
579
00:25:59,725 --> 00:26:02,645
♪
580
00:26:02,687 --> 00:26:05,897
ELIZABETH: Dan Evans had
just been elected as governor,
581
00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:08,480
and so we got this invite
to the Governor's Ball.
582
00:26:08,526 --> 00:26:10,816
But I was very insecure.
583
00:26:10,861 --> 00:26:14,951
Didn't feel like I fit the mould
of a politician's girlfriend.
584
00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:16,951
Ted, on the other hand,
he seemed so comfortable
585
00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:18,583
in social settings.
586
00:26:18,619 --> 00:26:21,789
♪
587
00:26:21,831 --> 00:26:22,921
ELIZABETH: No matter
where he went,
588
00:26:22,957 --> 00:26:24,327
he could fit in easily.
589
00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:27,705
He could talk to almost
anybody about anything.
590
00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:30,423
I mean, it was
just astounding.
591
00:26:30,464 --> 00:26:35,434
♪
592
00:26:35,469 --> 00:26:38,889
♪
593
00:26:39,974 --> 00:26:42,734
MOLLY: He had the gift
for dealing with all people.
594
00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:47,358
He was really rather
gifted at seeing
595
00:26:47,398 --> 00:26:51,068
what you might need him to be,
and being that.
596
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:52,610
Looking back on it,
you know,
597
00:26:52,653 --> 00:26:56,243
I feel like he was
an impressive person.
598
00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:58,412
♪
599
00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:00,831
MOLLY: We felt lucky
he picked us,
600
00:27:00,870 --> 00:27:04,040
and we felt kind of like
the country cousins, you know?
601
00:27:04,081 --> 00:27:07,541
And he was more
sophisticated than we were.
602
00:27:07,585 --> 00:27:10,295
♪
603
00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:11,588
MOLLY: What it looked like
604
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:15,220
is that he was a step
above ourselves.
605
00:27:15,259 --> 00:27:18,299
We kind of started to see
606
00:27:18,346 --> 00:27:21,346
the kind of...
choices he would want,
607
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:23,930
like in our
clothes and things.
608
00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:25,346
I remember that.
609
00:27:25,394 --> 00:27:28,944
It was conservative,
upper-crusty things.
610
00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:31,361
He wanted me
to wear a dress.
611
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,610
It was not really so much
about evaluating him.
612
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:38,574
Clearly he was
magnificent in all ways.
613
00:27:38,616 --> 00:27:41,406
And so we should just,
you know,
614
00:27:41,452 --> 00:27:46,372
aspire to rise
to his level of...
615
00:27:46,415 --> 00:27:48,665
of polish.
616
00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:51,799
♪
617
00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:53,207
STEVEN: He wanted
to dress well.
618
00:27:53,255 --> 00:27:56,085
He wanted to be seen with
the right kind of people.
619
00:27:56,133 --> 00:27:58,843
He saw that as
his way forward.
620
00:27:58,886 --> 00:28:01,216
And how many Republican--
you know, young Republicans,
621
00:28:01,263 --> 00:28:03,273
were there in--
at the University of Washington?
622
00:28:03,307 --> 00:28:04,557
Not so many.
623
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,100
I mean, he was a Republican
at the time that Nixon
624
00:28:06,143 --> 00:28:08,773
was the face of the party.
625
00:28:08,813 --> 00:28:12,823
♪
626
00:28:12,858 --> 00:28:14,818
NIXON: I don't promise
that we can eradicate poverty
627
00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:16,240
and end discrimination,
628
00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:17,908
and eliminate
all danger of war
629
00:28:17,947 --> 00:28:20,237
in the space of four,
or even eight years,
630
00:28:20,282 --> 00:28:22,542
but I do promise action,
631
00:28:22,576 --> 00:28:24,196
a new policy for
peace abroad,
632
00:28:24,245 --> 00:28:25,995
a new policy for
peace and progress
633
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:28,708
and justice at home.
[applause]
634
00:28:28,749 --> 00:28:32,089
♪
635
00:28:32,128 --> 00:28:34,918
ANCHORMAN: At first it was
called the Watergate Caper.
636
00:28:34,964 --> 00:28:37,264
Five men apparently
caught in the act
637
00:28:37,299 --> 00:28:39,049
of burglarizing and bugging
638
00:28:39,093 --> 00:28:42,103
Democratic headquarters
in Washington.
639
00:28:42,138 --> 00:28:44,598
KNUTE: Watergate was
the big national story.
640
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,140
It gained momentum.
641
00:28:46,183 --> 00:28:48,643
Everybody was following
every development,
642
00:28:48,686 --> 00:28:50,146
every hearing.
643
00:28:50,187 --> 00:28:51,397
REPORTER: Donald Segretti.
644
00:28:51,439 --> 00:28:54,319
Reports in major newspapers
say White House aides
645
00:28:54,358 --> 00:28:57,188
recruited Segretti for
secret intelligence work
646
00:28:57,236 --> 00:29:00,696
and dirty tricks
against the Democrats.
647
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:03,199
DONNA: There was someone
named Donald Segretti,
648
00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:07,122
who was a dirty trickster
in the Nixon campaign.
649
00:29:07,163 --> 00:29:10,833
These Republican tricksters
were calling prostitutes
650
00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:12,455
and ordering them up
651
00:29:12,501 --> 00:29:15,631
for delegates at
the Democratic Convention.
652
00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:19,381
It made it look like
the Democrats had called up
653
00:29:19,425 --> 00:29:22,795
to get all of these
prostitutes involved.
654
00:29:22,845 --> 00:29:26,385
At the same time,
Ted came to visit me one day.
655
00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:29,562
He'd been working in this
gubernatorial campaign,
656
00:29:29,602 --> 00:29:32,612
and he was standing
in my office,
657
00:29:32,646 --> 00:29:35,226
and I remember him
telling me about this,
658
00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:38,534
that he had been
helping this candidate
659
00:29:38,569 --> 00:29:40,359
in the governor's race,
660
00:29:40,404 --> 00:29:45,454
and that he had been involved
in following around the opponent
661
00:29:45,493 --> 00:29:49,463
and wearing wigs and false
moustache and other things.
662
00:29:49,497 --> 00:29:50,537
BUNDY: It's hard
for me to believe
663
00:29:50,581 --> 00:29:51,831
that what I did
is newsworthy,
664
00:29:51,874 --> 00:29:54,084
and my part in the campaign
was so insignificant,
665
00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:57,206
I'm embarrassed that I should be
getting this publicity from it.
666
00:29:57,254 --> 00:29:59,594
Really embarrassed.
[laughs]
667
00:29:59,632 --> 00:30:01,382
DONNA: And I remember
saying to him,
668
00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:04,215
"Are you getting your lead
from Donald Segretti?"
669
00:30:04,261 --> 00:30:05,601
And I can remember
he laughed.
670
00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:08,348
He was sort of relishing
telling us about that
671
00:30:08,390 --> 00:30:10,600
and about wearing
different wigs
672
00:30:10,643 --> 00:30:12,233
and having to appear
differently
673
00:30:12,269 --> 00:30:14,229
in different contexts,
674
00:30:14,271 --> 00:30:15,811
and that nobody ever
put it together;
675
00:30:15,856 --> 00:30:19,316
nobody ever saw him
as the same person.
676
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,860
♪
677
00:30:21,904 --> 00:30:26,034
DONNA: He was like a chameleon.
678
00:30:26,075 --> 00:30:28,655
In addition to that,
he stole all these things
679
00:30:28,702 --> 00:30:31,622
from the political headquarters
that he was working in.
680
00:30:31,664 --> 00:30:34,214
He stole a typewriter;
he stole a printer;
681
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:36,210
he stole paper;
he stole--
682
00:30:36,252 --> 00:30:38,422
everything he could
get his hands on, he stole.
683
00:30:38,462 --> 00:30:41,132
I was very put off
by what he was doing,
684
00:30:41,173 --> 00:30:45,183
and... I remember thinking,
685
00:30:45,219 --> 00:30:47,429
"I think I'm done
with this guy."
686
00:30:47,471 --> 00:30:50,931
♪
687
00:30:50,975 --> 00:30:53,475
♪
688
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:55,059
ELIZABETH: I didn't
really know much about
689
00:30:55,104 --> 00:30:57,944
the political part
of his life,
690
00:30:57,982 --> 00:31:01,532
but as long as I'd known Ted,
he was stealing things.
691
00:31:01,569 --> 00:31:04,529
And he would get all dressed up
in his good clothes, and...
692
00:31:04,572 --> 00:31:06,032
which, he looked
so handsome, you know,
693
00:31:06,073 --> 00:31:07,243
suit and tie, and...
694
00:31:07,283 --> 00:31:09,373
he told me that there's
a tunnel under Northgate,
695
00:31:09,410 --> 00:31:11,290
which is a big mall here.
696
00:31:11,328 --> 00:31:13,288
And that he would
park in the tunnel
697
00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:16,000
under the Bon Marche,
at the time.
698
00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:17,791
And he'd just go get what
he wanted from the store
699
00:31:17,835 --> 00:31:20,665
and take it out to the
loading dock, to the car,
700
00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:24,343
and he was proud of
how brazen he could be
701
00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:26,303
and get away with it.
702
00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:30,723
So I'm running that through
my de-coder to think,
703
00:31:30,764 --> 00:31:32,684
"Oh, this is the way
we live now,
704
00:31:32,725 --> 00:31:35,555
"is we take things
if they're there."
705
00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:39,113
On a campus, everybody's
stealing the textbooks.
706
00:31:39,148 --> 00:31:42,028
I had read a book
by Abbie Hoffman
707
00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:44,987
that was titled,
"Steal This Book."
708
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:46,319
And so I just thought,
709
00:31:46,363 --> 00:31:49,743
well, I was way behind
the curve as far as being cool.
710
00:31:49,783 --> 00:31:51,993
♪
711
00:31:52,036 --> 00:31:54,906
ELIZABETH: I did confront him
about it eventually,
712
00:31:54,955 --> 00:31:57,245
and I would tell him that I
thought it was just so foolish,
713
00:31:57,291 --> 00:31:59,171
because he wanted to make
his living as an attorney
714
00:31:59,209 --> 00:32:00,539
or as a politician,
715
00:32:00,586 --> 00:32:03,796
and this was not gonna
serve him well if he got caught.
716
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,969
And his idea was that
he'd never get caught.
717
00:32:07,009 --> 00:32:11,759
♪
718
00:32:11,805 --> 00:32:14,305
JANE: By 1973,
the women's movement
719
00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:16,230
was making serious gains.
720
00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:20,438
I mean, we had attained rights
to autonomy over our bodies,
721
00:32:20,481 --> 00:32:23,941
including the autonomy to
be able to have an abortion.
722
00:32:23,984 --> 00:32:27,994
♪
723
00:32:28,030 --> 00:32:31,240
♪
724
00:32:31,283 --> 00:32:34,413
JANE: Women felt free
to date whom they choose,
725
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:38,463
to found their own women's
liberation clubs on campus.
726
00:32:38,499 --> 00:32:39,999
We started getting
the inception of things
727
00:32:40,042 --> 00:32:43,342
like Women's Studies, even,
on those college campuses.
728
00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:45,509
And that gave us hope
729
00:32:45,547 --> 00:32:48,087
that the world was
really opening up for us.
730
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:52,353
♪
731
00:32:52,388 --> 00:32:56,228
♪
732
00:32:56,266 --> 00:32:59,346
JOANNE: I was in Arizona,
at the time,
733
00:32:59,395 --> 00:33:02,475
and I was interested
in the northwest,
734
00:33:02,523 --> 00:33:06,243
and I saw a picture of
the Space Needle in a magazine.
735
00:33:06,276 --> 00:33:09,906
My adventurous spirit drove me
to investigate the school,
736
00:33:09,947 --> 00:33:12,527
and I decided to go.
737
00:33:12,574 --> 00:33:17,544
♪
738
00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:21,539
JOANNE: I think part of me was
drawn to the political activism,
739
00:33:21,583 --> 00:33:25,463
the social justice kinds of
causes that I heard about.
740
00:33:25,504 --> 00:33:28,974
I was certainly very
interested in racial equity
741
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:30,427
and knowing more about that,
742
00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:32,467
and being in a more
diverse environment.
743
00:33:32,511 --> 00:33:36,061
♪
744
00:33:36,098 --> 00:33:38,388
PHYLLIS: I loved the
University of Washington.
745
00:33:38,434 --> 00:33:43,114
I came from a very small town,
and everything was possible.
746
00:33:43,147 --> 00:33:46,107
I mean, by 1973,
that fall,
747
00:33:46,150 --> 00:33:49,610
it wasn't our goal to meet
some man from a fraternity
748
00:33:49,653 --> 00:33:51,163
and get married;
it wasn't like that.
749
00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:53,986
I mean, truly,
everything was possible.
750
00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:56,662
In fact, when we went
through rush, Bobby Riggs,
751
00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:59,202
he had said that women
belonged in the kitchen,
752
00:33:59,246 --> 00:34:00,906
and they belonged
in the bedroom,
753
00:34:00,956 --> 00:34:03,166
and they belonged,
you know, holding babies.
754
00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:04,918
BOBBY: The male is king,
the male is supreme.
755
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,210
Girls play a nice game
of tennis, for girls.
756
00:34:07,254 --> 00:34:08,594
♪
757
00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:10,170
REPORTER: It's sometimes
difficult to remember
758
00:34:10,215 --> 00:34:12,835
that all this is
about a tennis game.
759
00:34:12,885 --> 00:34:14,925
For days, the two stayed
away from each other,
760
00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:16,890
away from confrontation.
761
00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,140
But finally, like
boxers at a weigh-in,
762
00:34:19,183 --> 00:34:23,193
they met for the pre-game
eyeball-to-eyeball challenge.
763
00:34:23,228 --> 00:34:25,058
In between tennis hustles,
764
00:34:25,105 --> 00:34:27,065
Riggs hustles pretty blondes.
765
00:34:27,107 --> 00:34:28,777
BOBBY: She says you're gonna
scrape me off the court
766
00:34:28,817 --> 00:34:30,817
at the AstroDome,
and I claim it's gonna be her
767
00:34:30,861 --> 00:34:31,991
they're gonna scrape off.
768
00:34:32,029 --> 00:34:33,659
And it is gonna be
the battle of the sexes.
769
00:34:33,697 --> 00:34:37,197
Don't anybody let you tell you
it's any different.
770
00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:40,872
PHYLLIS: But she's strong,
she's a very good athlete,
771
00:34:40,913 --> 00:34:43,713
and she smoked him.
772
00:34:43,749 --> 00:34:45,629
PHYLLIS: It was
a very big deal.
773
00:34:45,667 --> 00:34:47,497
[crowd cheering]
774
00:34:47,544 --> 00:34:49,304
PHYLLIS: It brought
women together,
775
00:34:49,338 --> 00:34:52,508
and that gets
reflected culturally.
776
00:34:52,549 --> 00:34:54,799
[theme music]
777
00:34:54,843 --> 00:34:57,263
BARBARA: The Mary Tyler Moore
show was a very important show
778
00:34:57,304 --> 00:34:59,354
that resonated with women.
779
00:34:59,389 --> 00:35:03,559
THEME: ♪ How will you
make it on your own? ♪
780
00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:06,942
BARBARA: It handled
an unmarried woman's life
781
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:08,900
who moved to the big city
782
00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,611
to become a successful
career woman.
783
00:35:11,652 --> 00:35:13,492
So it had a great
sense of freedom.
784
00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:14,569
I'm on my own.
785
00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:16,953
I've got a little bit
of responsibility.
786
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:22,620
THEME: ♪ You might just
make it after all! ♪
787
00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:27,416
GINGER: If you look at
all of those popular
788
00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:30,169
television shows
in the 1970s,
789
00:35:30,212 --> 00:35:33,132
these are all women
who had the ability
790
00:35:33,173 --> 00:35:36,013
to take themselves
somewhere else.
791
00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:38,221
Being mobile was
an important part
792
00:35:38,262 --> 00:35:41,182
of their being
independent women,
793
00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:44,273
and this was a big change
in the culture.
794
00:35:44,309 --> 00:35:47,899
And this, of course, is the time
that the murders begin.
795
00:35:47,938 --> 00:35:53,028
♪
796
00:35:53,068 --> 00:35:57,528
♪
797
00:35:57,573 --> 00:35:59,123
♪
798
00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:01,697
KAREN: My name
is Karen Epley.
799
00:36:01,743 --> 00:36:03,793
On January 4th, 1974,
800
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:08,329
I was attacked
and left for dead.
801
00:36:08,375 --> 00:36:09,455
INTERVIEWER: This is
the first time
802
00:36:09,501 --> 00:36:11,041
you've ever
spoken about this.
803
00:36:11,086 --> 00:36:14,296
You are, I believe,
Ted Bundy's first victim.
804
00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:17,469
KAREN: I... I
believe so, yes.
805
00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:22,099
And one of the
only that survived.
806
00:36:22,139 --> 00:36:24,139
I was living in
the U District,
807
00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:26,142
studying political science.
808
00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:28,734
He came into my home,
809
00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:31,610
took a bed frame
off of my bed,
810
00:36:31,648 --> 00:36:34,148
and smashed my skull.
811
00:36:34,192 --> 00:36:40,162
Then he used probably
the same bed frame,
812
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:44,408
smashed it into my vagina,
and into my bladder.
813
00:36:44,453 --> 00:36:50,423
My bladder was totally split,
so... uh...
814
00:36:50,459 --> 00:36:52,959
It was horrible.
815
00:36:53,003 --> 00:36:57,883
♪
816
00:36:57,925 --> 00:37:01,345
♪
817
00:37:01,386 --> 00:37:04,466
♪
818
00:37:04,514 --> 00:37:07,984
INTERVIEWER: And you
stayed that way in bed
819
00:37:08,018 --> 00:37:10,098
without anybody knowing
you'd been attacked,
820
00:37:10,145 --> 00:37:11,475
for hours.
821
00:37:11,521 --> 00:37:15,781
KAREN: Right.
It was...
822
00:37:15,817 --> 00:37:20,027
18 hours, 20 hours.
823
00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:23,782
My roommate Bob thought
I was still sleeping.
824
00:37:23,825 --> 00:37:27,495
Later on he went down
and checked me again,
825
00:37:27,537 --> 00:37:29,327
and there he found the blood,
826
00:37:29,373 --> 00:37:33,213
and it was just horrible
for him to find me that way.
827
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:38,721
And next thing I remember,
was waking up in the hospital
828
00:37:38,757 --> 00:37:41,797
and I thought, "Uh-oh,
this is really bad.
829
00:37:41,843 --> 00:37:43,513
"This is really bad."
830
00:37:43,553 --> 00:37:45,103
And so I asked my father.
831
00:37:45,138 --> 00:37:47,268
I said, "Dad,
what happened?"
832
00:37:47,307 --> 00:37:51,267
And he said, "Well, you had
a little bump in your head."
833
00:37:51,311 --> 00:37:55,111
♪
834
00:37:55,148 --> 00:37:58,988
♪
835
00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:01,697
KAREN: I was permanently
brain-damaged.
836
00:38:01,738 --> 00:38:04,198
And he'd say, you know,
"That's a desk, or a chair."
837
00:38:04,241 --> 00:38:05,621
"Can you say those words?"
838
00:38:05,659 --> 00:38:09,039
And I just couldn't
get them out of my mouth.
839
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,919
I've lost 50 percent
of my hearing,
840
00:38:11,957 --> 00:38:14,917
40 percent of my vision.
841
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,510
I have a terrible ringing
and roaring in my ears,
842
00:38:19,548 --> 00:38:21,468
just constant.
843
00:38:21,508 --> 00:38:24,588
I had epileptic fits.
844
00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:27,926
Luckily I was able
to overcome those.
845
00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:30,853
INTERVIEWER: Why have you lived
under the radar for so long?
846
00:38:30,892 --> 00:38:33,602
KAREN: Well, I...
I wanted to keep quiet.
847
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:39,565
I wanted to have
my own life and privacy.
848
00:38:39,609 --> 00:38:42,279
Women like us,
849
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,610
women that have been attacked,
850
00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:44,735
women that have been raped,
851
00:38:44,781 --> 00:38:47,831
women that are... survivors,
852
00:38:47,868 --> 00:38:50,198
they keep their
secrets to themselves.
853
00:38:50,245 --> 00:38:51,995
I don't know why.
854
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,709
We're taught to just
get on with it, so...
855
00:38:55,751 --> 00:38:59,881
♪
856
00:38:59,921 --> 00:39:04,181
♪
857
00:39:04,217 --> 00:39:07,717
♪
858
00:39:07,763 --> 00:39:09,643
REPORTER: Lynda lived here
in this green house
859
00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:11,101
in the university district,
860
00:39:11,141 --> 00:39:13,851
along with five other
university students.
861
00:39:13,894 --> 00:39:16,024
She was last seen here
Thursday evening,
862
00:39:16,063 --> 00:39:17,983
about 12 o'clock.
863
00:39:18,023 --> 00:39:21,113
JOANNE: Lynda was one of
the first people I met.
864
00:39:21,151 --> 00:39:23,741
Certainly the first person
I spent any time with.
865
00:39:23,779 --> 00:39:26,159
And I can't explain
the welcome embrace
866
00:39:26,198 --> 00:39:28,118
that I received from her.
867
00:39:28,158 --> 00:39:30,078
I think we both knew
within a day or two
868
00:39:30,118 --> 00:39:32,908
that we were going to
be very dear friends,
869
00:39:32,954 --> 00:39:36,174
and we were together
all the time
870
00:39:36,208 --> 00:39:37,958
and excited about
the world and life.
871
00:39:38,001 --> 00:39:41,001
We had late-night conversations
all of the time
872
00:39:41,046 --> 00:39:44,256
about what we wanted to be,
what we wanted to do.
873
00:39:44,299 --> 00:39:46,639
She was just vibrant.
874
00:39:46,676 --> 00:39:48,926
Just...
875
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:52,100
There's not a room she walked
into that didn't light up.
876
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:55,140
She was beautiful.
She was beautiful.
877
00:39:55,185 --> 00:40:00,145
♪
878
00:40:00,190 --> 00:40:02,440
KAREN: It was Lynda's
week to cook.
879
00:40:02,484 --> 00:40:04,034
And so Friday night,
she planned to have
880
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:05,569
her parents over for dinner
881
00:40:05,612 --> 00:40:07,952
and we were all
supposed to be there.
882
00:40:07,989 --> 00:40:10,119
JOANNE: That night, she wanted
to do something extra special,
883
00:40:10,158 --> 00:40:11,988
so I told her I would
help her with the meal,
884
00:40:12,035 --> 00:40:14,195
and so we were
planning it together.
885
00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:18,626
I had a bedroom on
the main level by the kitchen,
886
00:40:18,667 --> 00:40:21,127
and she stopped in
so that we could discuss
887
00:40:21,169 --> 00:40:24,419
everything we were going
to do the next evening
888
00:40:24,464 --> 00:40:25,514
for dinner.
889
00:40:25,549 --> 00:40:27,049
And she was very
chipper and cheerful,
890
00:40:27,092 --> 00:40:28,802
and she said, "Okay,
I'm going down to sleep,"
891
00:40:28,844 --> 00:40:31,104
because she had to
get up early.
892
00:40:31,138 --> 00:40:35,018
KAREN: I came home, ran up
the steps into the house,
893
00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:37,188
and somebody was
walking up the street.
894
00:40:37,227 --> 00:40:39,307
I didn't look;
I just sort of went in
895
00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:40,694
and locked the front door.
896
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:42,360
Our upper two roommates,
Ginger and Monica,
897
00:40:42,399 --> 00:40:44,609
were upstairs asleep.
898
00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:48,111
Joanne had a bedroom off
the kitchen on the main floor.
899
00:40:48,155 --> 00:40:49,775
Lynda and I shared
the basement
900
00:40:49,823 --> 00:40:51,783
and my window faced
the back of the house.
901
00:40:51,825 --> 00:40:54,695
And then her window faced
the other side of the house.
902
00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:57,874
So I came in, and I stayed up
probably about a half hour,
903
00:40:57,914 --> 00:40:59,214
or 20 minutes,
904
00:40:59,249 --> 00:41:03,879
and talked with Joanne
in the kitchen.
905
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,050
And then I went down to bed.
906
00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:09,089
And when I went down to bed,
I locked the side door.
907
00:41:09,134 --> 00:41:10,844
You'd go down four steps.
908
00:41:10,886 --> 00:41:14,136
♪
909
00:41:14,181 --> 00:41:15,471
KAREN: When I got up
in the morning,
910
00:41:15,515 --> 00:41:17,845
the alarm was going
and it wasn't being shut off,
911
00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:19,273
and it went on,
and it went on,
912
00:41:19,311 --> 00:41:20,481
and on and on.
913
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,360
So I went in
and shut it off
914
00:41:22,397 --> 00:41:24,017
and her bed was made perfect.
915
00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:26,435
I mean, like she had
never slept in it.
916
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:29,324
And then the phone rang as
I was getting ready to leave,
917
00:41:29,362 --> 00:41:31,362
and it was
the radio station.
918
00:41:31,406 --> 00:41:34,776
She did ski reports on the radio
to earn a little money
919
00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:37,036
in the mornings, and they
were asking where Lynda was.
920
00:41:37,078 --> 00:41:38,158
And I said,
"I don't know.
921
00:41:38,205 --> 00:41:40,825
"She doesn't appear
to have slept here."
922
00:41:40,874 --> 00:41:42,254
Her jeans were gone,
923
00:41:42,292 --> 00:41:43,792
her shoes were gone,
924
00:41:43,835 --> 00:41:46,165
but the door was unlocked.
925
00:41:46,213 --> 00:41:49,843
The side door, that I had
locked on my way down.
926
00:41:49,883 --> 00:41:51,433
It didn't make sense.
927
00:41:51,468 --> 00:41:53,928
REPORTER: Lynda read
the ski reports on her job.
928
00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:56,720
According to a roommate,
her alarm went off on time,
929
00:41:56,765 --> 00:41:59,095
Friday morning,
at 5:30.
930
00:41:59,142 --> 00:42:02,102
But her roommate says
Lynda wasn't in her room
931
00:42:02,145 --> 00:42:05,315
and she never
showed up for work.
932
00:42:05,357 --> 00:42:07,977
REPORTER: Is she prone to
leave the house at night?
933
00:42:08,026 --> 00:42:09,276
JOANNE: Uh, no.
934
00:42:09,319 --> 00:42:11,529
She has been known to
take walks now and then,
935
00:42:11,571 --> 00:42:15,121
but only when
someone is with her.
936
00:42:15,158 --> 00:42:17,908
JOANNE: What I remember
is having to be very insistent
937
00:42:17,953 --> 00:42:20,213
that something was wrong.
938
00:42:20,247 --> 00:42:21,497
That the police were,
939
00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:23,629
"Well, maybe she took off
with a boyfriend,"
940
00:42:23,667 --> 00:42:27,247
or "Maybe she's
having an abortion,"
941
00:42:27,295 --> 00:42:28,415
I think they said,
942
00:42:28,463 --> 00:42:31,013
which just absolutely
made me crazy,
943
00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:34,389
because I knew
that was not true.
944
00:42:34,427 --> 00:42:37,347
At some point,
another officer came,
945
00:42:37,389 --> 00:42:40,349
and he wanted to see
where her room was.
946
00:42:40,392 --> 00:42:42,852
So we went down there
and he looked around,
947
00:42:42,894 --> 00:42:45,614
and her room was
completely in order.
948
00:42:45,647 --> 00:42:50,187
And he pulled the bedsheet back
and we saw the blood,
949
00:42:50,235 --> 00:42:52,315
so I said, "Well, maybe
she had a nose bleed."
950
00:42:52,362 --> 00:42:56,122
You just want to go
to a rational place.
951
00:42:56,157 --> 00:42:59,287
But it was too much blood.
952
00:42:59,327 --> 00:43:01,077
So then he looked
in the closet
953
00:43:01,121 --> 00:43:05,331
and he pulled out a nightgown
that had blood on it as well.
954
00:43:05,375 --> 00:43:08,245
Um, so then of course,
it flashes through your mind
955
00:43:08,295 --> 00:43:13,675
that someone must have
dressed her and made the bed,
956
00:43:13,717 --> 00:43:17,427
and was in the room
for a while.
957
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:22,810
And we just didn't have
any real, deep sense yet
958
00:43:22,851 --> 00:43:26,691
of the horror of it.
959
00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:30,230
♪
960
00:43:30,275 --> 00:43:34,275
♪
961
00:43:34,321 --> 00:43:36,531
♪
962
00:43:36,573 --> 00:43:39,913
LAURA: My sister was
the person who would sort of
963
00:43:39,951 --> 00:43:43,461
walk into a room
and light it up.
964
00:43:43,496 --> 00:43:48,166
She was an entertainer,
a performer.
965
00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:51,959
Beautiful, you know,
young woman.
966
00:43:52,005 --> 00:43:55,925
♪
967
00:43:55,967 --> 00:43:57,387
LAURA: She was
my older sister.
968
00:43:57,427 --> 00:43:58,677
She was a mentor.
969
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:01,310
She was someone
I looked up to.
970
00:44:01,348 --> 00:44:03,478
We did a lot of
vacations together.
971
00:44:03,516 --> 00:44:05,636
We would go to the ocean.
972
00:44:05,685 --> 00:44:08,555
My parents had a small boat
973
00:44:08,605 --> 00:44:10,935
that the five of us and our dog
would go out on,
974
00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:13,652
and she taught me
to water-ski,
975
00:44:13,693 --> 00:44:17,323
and she would sing
all the time.
976
00:44:17,364 --> 00:44:19,574
Walk around the house singing.
977
00:44:19,616 --> 00:44:21,736
And when she would
sing a song,
978
00:44:21,785 --> 00:44:26,115
it wasn't like she...
she'd just sing it once.
979
00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:28,544
You'd hear it over
and over and over again.
980
00:44:28,583 --> 00:44:30,213
She's in the bathroom
getting ready.
981
00:44:30,251 --> 00:44:31,631
She's walking down the hall.
982
00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:34,919
She's setting the table.
983
00:44:34,964 --> 00:44:40,974
♪
984
00:44:41,012 --> 00:44:46,942
♪
985
00:44:46,976 --> 00:44:51,306
♪
986
00:44:51,356 --> 00:44:54,566
♪
987
00:44:54,609 --> 00:44:59,909
♪
988
00:44:59,948 --> 00:45:03,908
♪
989
00:45:03,952 --> 00:45:06,542
♪
990
00:45:06,579 --> 00:45:10,459
LAURA: You know, she was...
991
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,420
She was the star.
992
00:45:13,461 --> 00:45:15,551
♪
993
00:45:15,588 --> 00:45:19,718
♪
994
00:45:19,759 --> 00:45:23,009
♪
995
00:45:23,054 --> 00:45:25,974
♪
996
00:45:26,015 --> 00:45:29,725
[geese calling]
997
00:45:29,769 --> 00:45:32,769
ELIZABETH: It was early
in 1974 when Ted started
998
00:45:32,814 --> 00:45:35,194
acting differently towards me,
999
00:45:35,233 --> 00:45:37,283
where we weren't spending
as much time together
1000
00:45:37,318 --> 00:45:39,858
as we had been.
1001
00:45:39,904 --> 00:45:41,414
And he'd just like
drop out of my life
1002
00:45:41,448 --> 00:45:43,578
for three days or whatever,
1003
00:45:43,616 --> 00:45:46,076
and God, I'd go back over
our last conversation like,
1004
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:49,039
"What did I say?
What did I do?"
1005
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,000
This was a pattern that always
made me feel like I was...
1006
00:45:53,042 --> 00:45:54,342
a shrew.
1007
00:45:54,377 --> 00:45:58,007
When we'd have a conflict,
I would be really upset
1008
00:45:58,047 --> 00:45:59,547
and raising my voice,
1009
00:45:59,591 --> 00:46:02,681
and he would just
get calmer and calmer.
1010
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,889
And it was just...
1011
00:46:04,929 --> 00:46:07,349
It was crazy-making.
1012
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:09,020
MOLLY: He and my mom
were not as close
1013
00:46:09,058 --> 00:46:10,228
as they had been.
1014
00:46:10,268 --> 00:46:12,648
They didn't spend as much
time as they had spent.
1015
00:46:12,687 --> 00:46:14,857
He didn't come over
for a really long time
1016
00:46:14,898 --> 00:46:18,398
and I thought he might not
come back at all, and I...
1017
00:46:18,443 --> 00:46:21,453
I was concerned that he wasn't
gonna come back at all.
1018
00:46:21,488 --> 00:46:23,908
♪
1019
00:46:23,948 --> 00:46:25,908
MOLLY: My mom was
worried all the time,
1020
00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:31,250
and she was drinking
more at that time.
1021
00:46:31,289 --> 00:46:34,459
She felt that maybe
he was seeing someone else,
1022
00:46:34,501 --> 00:46:37,801
and I do remember hearing
those conversations.
1023
00:46:37,837 --> 00:46:41,837
I didn't understand what
was happening there, at all.
1024
00:46:41,883 --> 00:46:43,893
But I knew it wasn't
like it had been.
1025
00:46:43,927 --> 00:46:46,007
♪
1026
00:46:46,054 --> 00:46:47,354
ELIZABETH: What I knew of
1027
00:46:47,388 --> 00:46:49,808
was men that cheat
on their partners,
1028
00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:51,939
and so that's what
I thought was going on.
1029
00:46:51,976 --> 00:46:55,096
That I'd become boring,
that I was predictable,
1030
00:46:55,146 --> 00:46:57,476
and that I needed
to be somebody else.
1031
00:46:57,524 --> 00:46:58,904
Then he'd pop back in
1032
00:46:58,942 --> 00:47:00,822
and it was like
nothing ever happened.
1033
00:47:00,860 --> 00:47:02,780
♪
1034
00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:04,280
ELIZABETH: One day
when I came home
1035
00:47:04,322 --> 00:47:05,822
and I found him
inside my apartment,
1036
00:47:05,865 --> 00:47:07,325
which he didn't have a key,
1037
00:47:07,367 --> 00:47:10,037
so he had the landlord
let him in...
1038
00:47:10,078 --> 00:47:12,408
He was really upset
when I got home.
1039
00:47:12,455 --> 00:47:15,875
He laid down with his head
on my lap and just sobbed.
1040
00:47:15,917 --> 00:47:19,457
He told me that he had
to tell me something
1041
00:47:19,504 --> 00:47:20,844
that was important
1042
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,550
and that I would
probably be shocked about.
1043
00:47:23,591 --> 00:47:24,841
But of course,
I had no idea
1044
00:47:24,884 --> 00:47:27,354
what he was really fighting
against within himself.
1045
00:47:27,387 --> 00:47:31,847
♪
1046
00:47:31,891 --> 00:47:36,311
♪
1047
00:47:36,354 --> 00:47:40,024
♪
1048
00:47:40,066 --> 00:47:44,196
♪
1049
00:47:44,237 --> 00:47:48,617
♪
1050
00:47:48,658 --> 00:47:52,538
♪
1051
00:47:52,579 --> 00:47:55,829
♪
1052
00:47:55,873 --> 00:47:57,673
♪
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