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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,920 This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting, 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,160 very strong language and discriminatory language and content from the start. 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,320 I'm Tom Daley. I'm an athlete, and I'm gay. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,720 It hasn't always been easy for me to say that. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,480 TOM: Thank you very much. 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,480 VO: In London 2012, out of nearly 11,000 athletes, 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,080 only 23 were openly LGBT. 8 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:25,240 There were more athletes called James at those Olympics 9 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:27,600 than people that were out. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,320 There clearly were more athletes that were closeted. 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,200 I mean, I was one of them. 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,360 CHEERING 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,680 London 2012 was the pinnacle of what I'd been dreaming of 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,320 my whole diving career, 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:46,920 but back then was probably when I was most scared of being outed. 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:52,840 It was terrifying, and this was my way of being able to feel free, 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,880 even though I was far from feeling free in real life. 18 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,440 JOURNALISTS SHOUT 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,360 Since then, my life's changed, and I'm a husband... 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,600 TOM: Hello, Robbie! ..and a father to Robbie. 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,760 TOM ON VIDEO: I met someone, and, well, that someone... 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,640 VO: Getting here wasn't easy. 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,200 ..is a guy. 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,080 What I remember about it was you literally shaking, like this. 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,160 "Tom Daley is gay. I am now ashamed of my country. Eww. 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,080 "We can't have a bloody fag representing us." 27 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,280 But many gay athletes have it so much worse. 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,080 My stepdad found out where I was living 29 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,960 and he beat me and he threw acid at me. 30 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:33,040 In over half the countries competing in this year's Commonwealth Games, 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,040 being gay is illegal, and can lead to horrific attacks. 32 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,600 Sad doesn't even cover it. 33 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,240 It's like something out of, like, a horror film. 34 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,600 Real dark horror film. 35 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,800 I want to find out where all this hatred came from. 36 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,520 It honestly makes me feel sick to be British. 37 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,120 I get that. That's level one. 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,080 Level two is, "Now what?" 39 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,280 And now I'm launching a campaign 40 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,200 to get the sporting world to try and change things. 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,040 I want sporting events to take note, because we're not going anywhere. 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,960 This is my trophy cabinet. 43 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,880 At the top we've got World Championships, 44 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,000 then we've got Olympic. And then down here we've got 45 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,360 European and Commonwealth. 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,640 On the Sydney Cricket Ground, 47 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:24,520 it's the opening day of the Empire Games, 48 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,000 the Olympics of the British Commonwealth of Nations. 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,440 STARTER PISTOL FIRES 50 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,800 The Games are on! 51 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,960 The Commonwealth Games started life as the British Empire Games, 52 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,040 aiming to unite the countries that were under British rule 53 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,240 through sport. 54 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,240 Here's some real high diving. 55 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,880 By the time I competed, the Empire was over 56 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,400 and the Games had been rebranded. 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,200 The Commonwealth Games now takes place every four years 58 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,080 and has a global audience of 1.5 billion. 59 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,240 This is the dive that Tom Daley fans have been waiting for. 60 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,600 So I got two golds in Delhi 2010. 61 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,160 I mean, it's 12 years ago now. It makes me feel a bit old. 62 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,680 Then from Glasgow, gold in the men's 10m individual 63 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,160 and silver in the synchro. 64 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,440 And then the last one... 65 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,000 So here's the case for it. 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,720 And there was a Commonwealth gold medal in there. 67 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,240 But now... 68 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,360 ..I've lost a Gold Coast medal. 69 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,520 Robbie goes in here all the time and just gets medals 70 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,280 and puts them on and runs around and calls them his necklaces. 71 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,880 CLANKING 72 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,880 Any of these gold? 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,720 Oh, yes. 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,880 That is my most recent Commonwealth Games gold medal, 75 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,040 which is from Gold Coast 2018. 76 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,200 This year, the Games is in Birmingham, 77 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:02,480 with over 4,000 athletes competing in more than 280 events. 78 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,560 But there's an issue that no-one's talking about. 79 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,800 The Commonwealth is home to a third of the world's population 80 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,000 and is made up of 56 member states. 81 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 In over half of them, it's illegal to be gay. 82 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,560 In many, you can get life imprisonment - and in three, 83 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,640 you could even be sentenced to death. 84 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,360 You start to question, should I feel a little bit like, "Ooh," 85 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,520 about these medals, or should I be proud of them? 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,760 Because what kind of message is that sending? 87 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,920 I would be illegal to exist 88 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,720 in 35 of the 56 sovereign states of the Commonwealth. 89 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,080 I mean, that's just outrageous. 90 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,720 These days, most international sporting bodies 91 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,120 claim that they're inclusive of LGBT people. 92 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,200 But just this year, the Football World Cup and Formula 1 93 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,240 are both being hosted in countries 94 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,840 which have the death penalty for being gay. 95 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,360 As a former medal-winner, the Commonwealth Games 96 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,920 is close to my heart, and I want to convince it 97 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,760 to become the first sporting event to really take a stand. 98 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:17,360 I've been told that sport and politics shouldn't collide, 99 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,920 but at the same time, you have to acknowledge 100 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,720 what's going on around you. 101 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,320 My wish right now is to try and get the Commonwealth Games to say 102 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,840 that they will not allow any country that has anti-LGBT laws 103 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:31,760 to be able to host the Commonwealth Games. 104 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,560 And I know that is a bold wish, 105 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,440 but it has to start somewhere, to try and create some change. 106 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,080 It's easy to think I have the answer, but I don't know 107 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,040 what it's really like to be a gay athlete around the Commonwealth. 108 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,840 I've decided to go to Pakistan - 109 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:53,960 one of the world's most dangerous places to be gay. 110 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,560 I'm slightly nervous because I'm going to a country where, 111 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,920 you know, being gay can get you the death penalty. 112 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,480 It's a pretty intense thought. 113 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,040 I still have so much to learn. 114 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,320 I just want to be able to meet some queer athletes, hear their stories, 115 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,040 and also ask them what they think is the right thing. 116 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,080 What is it that you think 117 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,280 that these organising committees should be doing? 118 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:25,240 Going to go to Heathrow Terminal 3, please. 119 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,720 VO: I am very aware that I come from a place of privilege 120 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,440 and I don't know what the right solution is, 121 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,920 but that's what I'm hoping to find out. 122 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,320 Pakistan has different shades of opinion 123 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,080 when it comes to homosexuality. 124 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,760 But the country's laws emerged from the British Empire 125 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,240 and have changed to reflect its conservative and religious culture. 126 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,880 Today, the maximum punishment for being gay is death by stoning. 127 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,200 It's never been officially carried out, but it's created an environment 128 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,320 where vigilante groups take the law into their own hands, 129 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,200 and gay people live under the threat of humiliation, 130 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,960 blackmail and violence. 131 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,800 I am concerned that people will find out, like, why we're here, 132 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,560 what we're filming, what we're doing and, you know, 133 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,400 we're going to extreme lengths 134 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,320 to make sure that we are keeping ourselves safe, 135 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,200 but most importantly, the people that we're talking to safe. 136 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,200 We have a security guard following us, 137 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,920 although we have to keep them out of earshot 138 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,320 about what we're actually talking about. 139 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,320 Although they still face persecution, 140 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,640 transgender people have had legal rights in Pakistan since 2018. 141 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,840 But the laws against homosexuality 142 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,760 mean that finding someone prepared to talk has been really difficult. 143 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,800 Good morning. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Good. 144 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,280 Thank you for having me. Sure. 145 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,800 I'm meeting a cricketer who spent years 146 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,760 playing for Pakistan's national women's team. 147 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,000 We were going to meet at the local cricket ground, 148 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 but her fear of being overheard 149 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,520 means we're now meeting at a safe house, 150 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,240 and she doesn't want her name to be used. 151 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,880 There you go. Thank you so much. 152 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,840 Given the risks, why did you choose to speak to me? 153 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,560 I thought that this is the right time. 154 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,120 Somebody needs to speak out. 155 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,200 I built up that courage and I said, "OK, let's do it." 156 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,640 Maybe it can make an impact. 157 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,160 Maybe things will be changed a bit. 158 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,680 People here, even the psychologists here, 159 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:43,480 they think being queer is a disease. 160 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,840 Wow. Yes. 161 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,000 So either will take you to the witch doctor 162 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,040 and try to get it fixed, 163 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,320 or the best solution, if you're a queer man or a queer woman, 164 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,360 to get you married, make you sleep with that person, 165 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,280 have a baby, and after the baby, everything will be fine. 166 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,400 That is the concept we have in Pakistan. Wow. 167 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,760 Yeah. 168 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,280 What was your experience in the sporting world? 169 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,600 How would other players treat you? 170 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,120 They needed me because I was a good player. 171 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,560 But while we are travelling, 172 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:18,080 I used to sit alone. 173 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,560 While we used to have rooms, they don't want to share with me 174 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:23,360 because they don't feel safe. 175 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,160 They find me as a mutant. 176 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,240 They were... As a mutant? Yeah. 177 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,800 Like a disease spreads. Like a disease, yeah. 178 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,360 Must've been really hard. 179 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,000 Did you have to completely suppress who you were and just...? 180 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,480 Of course. Very fortunately, I never fell for drugs. 181 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,600 But I see people around me who are gays or lesbians 182 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,600 that they have drowned themselves into antidepressants or drugs 183 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,680 or alcohol or any other substance abuse which keeps them numb. 184 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:51,280 I've seen them hurting themselves. 185 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,000 I've seen them trying to kill themselves. 186 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:59,040 So what could the Commonwealth Games Federation do in order to help? 187 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:05,080 Because I always thought banning countries that have anti-LGBT laws 188 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,920 from hosting the event might do something. 189 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,040 It won't make a difference, because we are a country in denial. 190 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,160 They'll be like, "OK, ban us." 191 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,320 No matter how hard, what pressure you put in. 192 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,040 This is against the religion. They won't do it. 193 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:23,880 Talking to her about the idea that I had 194 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,960 with the Commonwealth Games, I mean, 195 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,960 it feels like it's just going to be so insignificant. 196 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,000 She doesn't think that there's any hope of Pakistan 197 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,760 changing its laws or changing its ideas. 198 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,560 Like, "Fine, don't bring a sporting event here, we don't care. 199 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:40,840 "Not having gay and lesbian people in our country 200 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,280 "is more important than hosting a sporting event." 201 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,880 Some of Pakistan's most prominent athletes have been forced 202 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,640 to hide their sexuality. 203 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,000 But I've managed to find someone who is prepared to talk to me. 204 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,280 I'm about to go meet a very high-profile 205 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,760 and very recognisable Pakistani athlete, 206 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,120 and she's asked us to conceal her identity 207 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,600 and also meet her at a safe house. 208 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,640 I think that just really hammers home the harsh realities 209 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,360 of being a queer athlete in Pakistan. 210 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,480 How does it make you feel to represent Pakistan 211 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:35,600 when, if they knew the real you, they might not accept you? 212 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:41,480 I try not to think about it, and put all my energy into competing. 213 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,960 What would happen if you did come out publicly here in Pakistan? 214 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,040 It would be big news. 215 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,120 Everyone would criticise me, 216 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,800 embarrass me, shame me, maybe get violent. 217 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Do you think you'll ever be able to fall in love 218 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,880 and have a relationship here? 219 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:05,520 I was in a relationship, but she got married and she went away. 220 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,480 She got married to a man? 221 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:08,720 Yes. 222 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,120 So she was forced into marriage? 223 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,640 Yes. 224 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,160 I went to the wedding venue, 225 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,440 but her brothers found out and beat me bad. 226 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,880 It affected me for years. 227 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,600 I was in trauma and depression. 228 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,560 I stopped eating and I wanted to end my life. 229 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,240 But I couldn't, because my parents were dependent on me. 230 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,680 I'm sorry. It's just... It just seems so unfair. 231 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:49,000 And no... No-one should be... 232 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,960 No-one should be put through that. 233 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,560 This is how Pakistan is. 234 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,720 Do you think there's any hope 235 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,600 for any queer kids growing up here? 236 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,520 Many times, I imagine a life where I could breathe freely. 237 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,520 But it's not possible here in Pakistan. 238 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,400 So...no hope? 239 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,120 I don't think so. 240 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,000 Honestly, I've never felt more helpless in my life. 241 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,360 Like, just hearing her story, her struggles, her fight... 242 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,760 Honestly, I just want to go home to my husband and my son and just... 243 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,880 ..hug them and, like, just that level of appreciation and gratitude 244 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,760 of just being able to be safe every day. 245 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,680 Finding a gay male athlete willing to talk to me has been difficult. 246 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:58,000 But since coming to Pakistan, I've been in touch with someone 247 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,400 who's hoping to compete in this year's Commonwealth Games. 248 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,240 He's too scared to appear on camera, even if we conceal his identity. 249 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,480 But he sent me a letter. 250 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,560 It starts with, "I cannot come in front of the camera 251 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,520 "because of my family and surroundings. 252 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,080 "They have no clue about my orientation. 253 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,160 "But at the same time, I face a lot of jokes calling me 254 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,680 "such as cake, gay, and mostly called as arsehole. 255 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,680 "And name-calling kills me from inside 256 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,960 "but I keep quiet as this is my reality. 257 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,200 "My family wants me to get married and start a family. 258 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,760 "Sometimes I feel like I should die 259 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,360 "and set my life free from this trauma." 260 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,080 He sounds to me like he's lost all hope. 261 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,960 He goes on to say, "Sir, I live in Pakistan, the Islamic Republic. 262 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,040 "One of my friends knows about my identity. 263 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,920 "He blackmailed me that he will tell the Federation about my orientation, 264 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,280 "that I am gay. I fear that I'll be killed." 265 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,880 "It won't make any difference to Pakistan 266 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,720 "if banned from hosting or competing in the Games." 267 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,200 The more I'm learning about athletes here in Pakistan 268 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,400 is there's even more layers of homophobia, 269 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,840 because it's not just family, it's not just friends. 270 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,720 It's also team-mates and federations. 271 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,600 It just feels like they're just fighting an impossible fight. 272 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,440 Like everybody feels like no matter what is done within sport, 273 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,640 that it will not make a difference to Pakistan, 274 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,360 that nothing will make a difference, and that there is no... 275 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,080 ..no hope. 276 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,120 The laws in Pakistan are a result 277 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,880 of the country's complex political and religious history. 278 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,520 And I'm struggling to see what a sporting event 279 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,160 like the Commonwealth Games could do to make a difference to the lives 280 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,960 of lesbian and gay athletes here. 281 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,720 I've been told to talk to a controversial pop star 282 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,040 called Zulfi. 283 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,840 Zulfi is one of very few Pakistanis 284 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,800 who's tried to live an openly gay life. 285 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,720 HORN BEEPS 286 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,400 But recently he's been forced into hiding. 287 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,760 Hi, Zulfi. Hi, Thomas. How are you? 288 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,240 Thank you so much for talking to me today. Of course, it's an honour. 289 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,280 Can you tell me a little bit about what happened? 290 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,520 So I was part of an art-pop punk band, and we did a photoshoot. 291 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,720 And that photoshoot was, like, gay as shit. 292 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,000 We were in these purple, pink sequins. 293 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,480 I had nipple pasties. Wow. A big nod to Lady Gaga. 294 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,080 But that photoshoot just became this super politicised moment 295 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,640 where, like, Pakistan and Islam is being threatened 296 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,480 by these two baddies in purple sequins. 297 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,040 And it was scary. 298 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,680 Like, there were death threats. There were rape threats. 299 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,800 But people stopped me on the street, saluted me, 300 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:00,080 shook my hand and told me, "Thank you for doing what you did. 301 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,320 "We live in a better Pakistan 302 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,080 "because of people like you. Keep it up." 303 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,720 So what I've been thinking is to try and ban any countries 304 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,760 that have anti-LGBT laws from hosting the Commonwealth Games. 305 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,560 Unfortunately, I think that sort of a punitive measure 306 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,200 might only make things worse. 307 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,480 Like, "Oh, it's because of you gay people 308 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,840 "that we can't host the Games any more." 309 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,880 You cannot generate something positive 310 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,240 from a negative sort of strategy. 311 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,040 And I hope that there are protections 312 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,000 for queer people of any sorts that empower them 313 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,080 instead of putting them at risk again. 314 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,440 From what I'm just hearing from you, it sounds like there is hope, 315 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:41,720 when I've been told that 316 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,400 there is no hope for queer people in this country. 317 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,400 No, in Pakistan, queer people have the hope of in fact 318 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,040 heralding a new Pakistan 319 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,600 that is free, that is respectful, 320 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,080 not out of fear, but out of love. 321 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,560 For me, this trip has been so illuminating. 322 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,400 A lot of the things that I've heard have been so awful. 323 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,080 But I've gone from feeling like there's no hope 324 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,480 to speaking to Zulfi, and it has given me a glimmer of hope. 325 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,560 So it's just made me rethink a lot of my ideas of what I thought 326 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,480 was the right thing to do around the Commonwealth Games 327 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,640 and actually leading with a sense of love 328 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,560 rather than taking things away from people. 329 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,480 It's easy to point the finger around the Commonwealth, 330 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,560 but homosexuality only became fully legal across the whole of the UK 331 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,520 in the 1980s. 332 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,560 And for me, growing up gay certainly wasn't straightforward. 333 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,720 I'm Tom Daley. I'm 12 years old 334 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,040 and I'm from Plymouth, 335 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,680 and I want to win an Olympic gold medal in... 336 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,160 ..diving. 337 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,560 I used to hate everything about myself - 338 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,920 the way I talked, the way I walked - 339 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,880 and I tried to overachieve in everything, 340 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,120 whether that's school, whether that was diving. 341 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:16,400 NEWS: Diver Tom Daley will be the youngest British male competitor 342 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,280 in our Olympic history. 343 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,800 I was always trying to overachieve 344 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,200 to distract from the fact that I knew that I was gay 345 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,360 and I knew that I was going to be seen as, like, 346 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:28,960 something that was bad and something that was wrong. 347 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,960 And growing up, I fought my own sexuality. 348 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,360 And I hated myself for that. 349 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,520 Hello! Hello! 350 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,480 Sophie's been my best friend since I was a teenager, 351 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,360 back when I was trying to cope with the pressures 352 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:46,880 of competing in the Olympics... 353 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,720 CHEERING 354 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,200 ..and being at school. 355 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,440 I found some really funny photos of when we were younger. 356 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,440 Oh, my God. 357 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,720 I feel like you haven't really changed. No, I have! 358 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,360 You've just grown. 359 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:07,160 This, I think, was when I got back from the Olympics in 2008. 360 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,440 All of a sudden, it was like TV cameras and photographers 361 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,040 and it's like...look at that. 362 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,920 I mean, I'm smiling, walking around like, 363 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,800 "Yep, can't wait to be at school." 364 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,720 And, you know, when the camera's around, people were always like... 365 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,640 "Hiya!", and then as soon as they went away, it was like... Yeah. 366 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,840 It almost felt some days that people were, like, hunting me down 367 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,280 to try and, like, be horrible. Yeah, so true. 368 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,480 It was just, "You're gay," or "You're queer," 369 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,800 and there's so only so much a 14-year-old can take. 370 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,600 It pushes you to breaking point. 371 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,440 And I broke and I was like, "I... I can't keep doing this." 372 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,480 Everyone else probably thought you were living 373 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,280 this incredible life. But I think actually 374 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,720 what was happening at school was something that was having 375 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,440 a massive effect on your mental health. 376 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,240 Yeah, I look back on it now and I feel sorry for young Tom 377 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,400 because at the time I was just like, 378 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,440 "Maybe I'm going just to be unhappy all my life." 379 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,120 NEWS: This is Tom Daley, the schoolboy 380 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:02,000 still too young to take his GCSEs, 381 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,960 even if he is old enough to compete for his country. 382 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:08,400 Hello. 383 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,720 Hello, my lovely. 384 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,120 Oh... 385 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,680 Right. 386 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,240 When I won bronze at the London Olympics, 387 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,600 I was still struggling with who I was. 388 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,000 I was so scared of what would happen to my career 389 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,120 if I admitted I was gay 390 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:32,880 that in my autobiography, I didn't even mention it. 391 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,400 By the time I was ready to come out to my family, 392 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,240 my dad had passed away. 393 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,840 My mum accepted me, but not everyone else did. 394 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,920 This is literally exactly where I stood 395 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,880 eight and a half years ago when I told Grandma and Grandad. 396 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,280 So this is my mum and dad you're talking about. Yeah. 397 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,280 Yeah. Your mum and dad were stood here. 398 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,760 I was like... What I remember about it 399 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,280 was you literally shaking like this. Yeah. 400 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,800 Your whole body was shaking cos you were that worried. Yeah. 401 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,040 I mean, I was terrified because I'd just told 402 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,760 the other set of grandparents and it didn't go so well. 403 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,960 It felt like I'd disappointed them 404 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,720 to the highest extreme level that I could have. Mm. 405 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:24,400 It switched like that, from being all love and hugs to... 406 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,840 Yeah. Like, "You disgust me." Yeah. 407 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,680 I mean, they asked me if it was natural and, you know, 408 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,800 "What would your dad say?" It was absolutely awful. 409 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:39,320 And it's taken them a lot of time to come to terms with me being gay. 410 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,440 But I'd like to think, as well, 411 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,240 that Dad would be proud of who I am today 412 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,280 and, you know, married with a kid. 413 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,880 I mean, Robbie is named after Dad. Yeah. 414 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,480 He would probably have made a joke and taken the mick out of you, 415 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,400 but he would do that whether you married Lance 416 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,080 or whether it was, like, Joanna from down the street, say. 417 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,920 Yeah. It would have been the same reaction. That was Dad, though. 418 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,640 But the whole worry was like, "Oh, my gosh, what if... 419 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,240 "..everyone else in the world reacts like some of my family did?" Mm. 420 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,520 NEWS: The Olympic diver Tom Daley has posted a video online 421 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,960 revealing that he's in a relationship with another man. 422 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,880 In an ideal world, I wouldn't be doing this video, 423 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,800 because it shouldn't matter. 424 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,280 But I met someone, 425 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,720 and that someone... 426 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,200 ..is a guy. 427 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,720 It was like a really scary moment for me 428 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,320 because I'd been told that I'd lose sponsors, 429 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,560 lose, like, my female fanbase, 430 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,960 and it was all going to go to rubbish. 431 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,040 I'd lost my dad, and then I felt like I had to support my family. 432 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,400 And what happens if that all got taken away? 433 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,800 The thought about what abuse I might get in the streets - 434 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,200 would I get beaten up? Would I get things thrown at me? 435 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,960 I had no idea what was going to happen. 436 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,000 This afternoon it was back to training at the Plymouth pool 437 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,400 where he spends hours every week. 438 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,040 So I'm just looking at some of the tweets 439 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,240 that I received when I came out. 440 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,400 "Tom Daley's came out that he's a battyman, lol, fucking queer." 441 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,680 "Tom Daley is gay. I am now ashamed of my country. Eww. 442 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,120 "We can't have a bloody fag representing us." 443 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,320 Oh, my gosh. 444 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,360 It does hurt. It is horrible to receive those comments, 445 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:31,800 like, you are saying these horrible things about me. 446 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,480 And it's upsetting to think that there are people out there 447 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,840 that have that strong of an opinion that they felt like they had to 448 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,560 publicly say something that was really attacking 449 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,480 a 19-year-old kid about their sexuality. 450 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,120 It's... 451 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:47,840 Yeah, it's... 452 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,760 It makes me feel sad for humanity, to be honest. 453 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,120 Like many gay athletes, it took me years to finally feel accepted, 454 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:01,400 and I think the sporting world should be doing more to help. 455 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,680 The international federation that runs the Commonwealth Games 456 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,080 has just appointed a new CEO, who claims she wants to do more. 457 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,960 The new Commonwealth Games Federation chief executive 458 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,800 Katie Sadler, she's expressed her determination 459 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,680 "that the 2022 Commonwealth Games 460 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,920 "will be the most inclusive in history". 461 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,880 "Extending as far to allow athletes to make podium protests 462 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,400 "and support their community. Pride House in Birmingham, 463 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,920 "which aims to be a safe space 464 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,480 "for gay spectators, athletes and officials, 465 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,200 "has already been announced. 466 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,160 "Sadler also wants to meet Daley" - me. 467 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,960 Katie's just launched something 468 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,800 called the Commonwealth Sport Pride Network, 469 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,440 which aims to support and connect gay athletes during the Games. 470 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,360 On the website there's loads of, you know, rainbow flags 471 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:54,360 and it's made to look very inclusive. 472 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,440 But I do worry that it's slightly rainbow-washing things, 473 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,120 and it all seems a little bit airy-fairy to me. 474 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,520 Like, I want to be able to see something where, you know, 475 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,120 they can say, "We did this, and because we've done this, 476 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:07,640 "it's going to make this change." 477 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,840 Because right now it's just, "We're going to create a Pride House 478 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,080 "and make the Commonwealth Games inclusive." 479 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,920 Hello. Hi, Tom. Hi, Katie. How are you? I'm very good. 480 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,120 Good to see you here. Thank you so much for 481 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,760 taking the time to meet with me. Oh, my pleasure. 482 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,080 Having looked on the website and seeing the branding 483 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,560 and rainbows on stuff, do you think that is enough to reach countries 484 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,000 that have anti-LGBT laws? 485 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,320 I think in the end, you have to start somewhere. 486 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,200 What I can't do is change the laws in those countries - 487 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,160 you know, I work for a sport federation. 488 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,200 But, you know, from our perspective, the Commonwealth Pride Network 489 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,640 is a start of starting to, you know, even be more active 490 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,920 in terms of getting people to understand how much we embrace it 491 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,880 and that it is acceptable. 492 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,680 But then what happens if, say, Islamabad in Pakistan 493 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,400 wanted to host the Commonwealth Games? 494 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,560 All members can bid for hosting Commonwealth Games. 495 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,000 But when I look at what our contract says for the host, 496 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,720 it's what you need to do in terms of valuing the same values as we do 497 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,000 in terms of humanity, equity and destiny. 498 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,120 That would be a kind of a baseline in terms of making a decision. 499 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:18,800 Letting those countries know that, "You don't align with our values." 500 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,000 I wonder if there is something that can be done to explicitly state that 501 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,240 that is the inclusion of LGBT people. 502 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,280 Is that something that the federation would...? 503 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,480 So those are things, you know, just listening to, 504 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,200 that I will take on board and go back and have a look to make sure, 505 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,800 how overt are those kind of statements in those documents? 506 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,520 But I know as a board that there is 507 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,280 a real commitment to the values that we have stated. 508 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,320 And so, from that perspective, it's really important to us. 509 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,920 I do worry that the Commonwealth Games 510 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,840 might not implement any changes. 511 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,720 I mean, don't get me wrong, they're doing way more now 512 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,200 than they ever were 20 years ago, 513 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,400 and things are constantly moving forward, 514 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,920 but they have the opportunity to be the blueprint 515 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,360 for other sporting events 516 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,480 that can create a huge difference across the world. 517 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,760 It's four months until the Commonwealth Games, 518 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,680 and I've decided to put together a manifesto of changes 519 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,200 that should be made. 520 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,680 You know, I want to speak to as many people as possible. 521 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,000 Get thoughts, ideas, opinions to help me shape this manifesto. 522 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,480 What might make you feel safe going to the Commonwealth Games? 523 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,640 If I see a rainbow pin on a fellow athlete's jacket, 524 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,280 I think would make me feel like I am not alone. 525 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,760 And it will definitely be a shock 526 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,120 to some of the homophobic athletes, you know, and officials. 527 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,520 I've competed in the UAE. 528 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,160 I've competed in countries that are extremely anti-gay. 529 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Right. And it's bizarre. 530 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,720 Yeah. I want to believe, like, it doesn't affect my performance, 531 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360 but I've never competed well in a homophobic country. 532 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,240 Like, I want to go to a country where I can compete and be myself. 533 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,440 That's fair. 534 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,280 My idea is shifting. 535 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,640 It's about the culture within sport, the fans, the organising committees. 536 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,760 It's so much more complex than what I initially thought 537 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,680 was going to be, like, a fix. 538 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,960 But I do feel extremely passionate about being able 539 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,680 to bring their voices into this manifesto, 540 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,000 because those are the people 541 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,400 that are going to be affected most by this. 542 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,800 Africa is the continent with the most Commonwealth countries. 543 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,640 Out of 21, 14 have anti-gay laws. 544 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,720 In four, the maximum punishment is life imprisonment. 545 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,120 And in the northern states of Nigeria, it's the death penalty - 546 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,040 where just this year, three men have been sentenced 547 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,680 to death by stoning. 548 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,240 I really wanted to go to Nigeria and actually meet some athletes 549 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,080 and meet some people there, 550 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,880 but we were advised that the risks were really high. 551 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,320 But we do have one athlete that I'm going to speak to. 552 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,040 We're going to change his voice 553 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,720 so that he's completely unidentifiable 554 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,920 because, you know, at the end of the day, 555 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,640 the risks are just too high for him. 556 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,120 What do you worry might happen if you... 557 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,520 if people found out that you were gay? 558 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,040 Yeah. It's not going to be good for my image. 559 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,440 As someone who is very popular in sport in Nigeria, 560 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,160 the minute they find out, the news go round, you become very unsafe, 561 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,960 like, you don't know what happens next. 562 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,760 You know, my friend died recently. 563 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,640 He was killed, rather. Your friend was killed? Yeah. 564 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,320 For being gay. 565 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,360 I'm, like, speechless. 566 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,840 Like, what happened? 567 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,040 He met somebody, and he invited the person over, 568 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,720 and he stabbed my friend multiple times, 569 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,880 and he was in a pool of his own blood in his house. Oh, my gosh. 570 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,360 It's terrifying. 571 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,480 Now they are hunting people. Hunting people? Yeah. 572 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,040 So they create fake accounts online and then they set you up. 573 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,680 Sometimes you get beaten so much, then they post it online. 574 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,080 They report you to family, they extort money from you, 575 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,360 and people lose it. 576 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,760 Some people commit suicide in the process. 577 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,600 Honestly, it makes me angry. 578 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,760 It makes me really angry. 579 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,640 You know, my friends quite often might meet someone online 580 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,800 and meet up with them, and just doing that could end their life. 581 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,160 Sad doesn't even cover it. 582 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,720 It's like something out of, like, a horror film. 583 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,120 A real dark horror film. 584 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,520 The videos posted online of attacks on gay men in Nigeria 585 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,680 are truly horrific. 586 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,320 INDISTINCT 587 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,480 I not be gay. I not be gay. 588 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,200 I not be gay. 589 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,000 CRACKING 590 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440 Say hello to homo. Homo bye-bye. 591 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,760 I'm meeting Bisi Alimi, 592 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,120 a Nigerian exile who lectures on African gay history. 593 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,560 He's been studying the cause of all this hatred. 594 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,520 Hi. Hi, Tom. 595 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,040 In the Lincoln's Inn library, they keep an extensive collection 596 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,200 of historic laws from across the Commonwealth. 597 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,520 This is a 1923 penal code from Nigeria. 598 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,480 And this Section 217 gave birth 599 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,920 to what we now know in Nigeria as the buggery law, 600 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,120 or as many people would say, the gay law. 601 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,160 "Any male person who, whether in public or private, 602 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,360 "commits any act of gross indecency with another male person, 603 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,120 "is guilty of a felony and is liable to imprisonment 604 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,960 "with or without whipping or flogging." 605 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,600 The moment this law came into existence 606 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,800 became the moment in history 607 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,040 when homosexuality became a criminal offence in Nigeria. 608 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,800 And imposed by Britain. Exactly. 609 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,440 Why has Nigeria not gotten rid of the law yet? 610 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,280 You have to understand that it wasn't just 611 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,640 a piece of legislation in a book. 612 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,920 It became part of school curriculum. 613 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,120 It became part of religious principles 614 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,320 that the colonialists used 615 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,360 in educating the natives. And then, post-colonial, 616 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,840 you have the emergence of the evangelicals, 617 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,160 who still believe homosexuality is immoral. 618 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,160 Today, it's a major case 619 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,720 of an arrest of suspected gay men... 620 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,920 Arrests are common in Nigeria, and human rights groups 621 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,480 report that the police regularly subject gays and lesbians 622 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,360 to harassment, beatings and extortion. 623 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,400 It's not surprising that it's extremely rare for Nigerians 624 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,760 to voluntarily come out. 625 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,160 How did you come out? 626 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,760 I was going to get outed by the media, 627 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,800 so I chose to do the outing myself. 628 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,480 So I went on the most-watched TV show 629 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,000 in Nigeria in 2004, 630 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,600 making me the first gay man to ever come out on TV. 631 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,800 I have a home with the man I love. 632 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,000 You know, where I am not condemned. 633 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,040 I'm not regarded as a non-entity. 634 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,520 They couldn't stop the live show, but people were already outside 635 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,520 demanding for our heads. 636 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,760 I had to be escorted to my house, 637 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,880 and my house was broken into and I was almost killed. 638 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,600 For three hours, I was tied up, 639 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,040 I was beaten mercilessly, for loving. 640 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,640 Just for loving. 641 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,440 So that was your reason for moving to the UK? 642 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,320 That was the reason why I had to move to the UK. 643 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,840 If this law had not been in existence in my country, 644 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,120 I wouldn't be here. 645 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,880 BAND PLAYS 646 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,080 If we're talking about the Commonwealth Games, 647 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,880 do you think they could make a difference? 648 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,160 We have to start somewhere, and sport brings people together. 649 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,680 Imagine at the beginning of the Commonwealth Games 650 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,200 there is someone carrying a flag that says, "We are the Commonwealth. 651 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,440 "Everybody is welcome irrespective of your sexual orientation." 652 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,800 That's powerful. And if I'm a young gay man in Nigeria, 653 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,520 and I'm sitting in front of my TV and I see that, 654 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,160 I will forever remember that. 655 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,200 I mean, that gave me goosebumps, 656 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,680 even just thinking about an LGBT flag. 657 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,240 It would give hope, 658 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,320 hope to a lot of people who will either 659 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,440 be at the Commonwealth Games or who will be watching from home 660 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,560 and saying, "If this is possible, then my life is possible." 661 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,640 The colonial laws that still affect Nigeria 662 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,080 were imposed across the Commonwealth. 663 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,880 And even though some countries have repealed them, 664 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,560 every year, gay and lesbian athletes 665 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,560 come to Britain to escape persecution and seek asylum. 666 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,280 Over the last few months, we've been trying to find 667 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,880 an asylum seeker that would be willing to talk. 668 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,120 We've actually had four athletes drop out 669 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,360 just out of pure fear of what might happen to them, 670 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,680 how it might affect their refugee status, 671 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,080 how it might affect their families at home. 672 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,960 But in the last 24 hours, we have found an athlete 673 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,840 from Barbados who is currently seeking asylum here in the UK. 674 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,720 You're an athlete in Barbados? Yes. 675 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,600 What was sport for you growing up? 676 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,520 Sports was everything, everything to me. 677 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,680 At what moment did that change for you? 678 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,680 It all changed when people realised that I was gay. 679 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,080 The coaches didn't want to train me any more. 680 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,520 The rest of team-mates didn't want to be around me any more. 681 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,520 So it was very depressing for me. 682 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,280 How did you get exposed? 683 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,680 Well, I was 16 years old, my first-ever relationship. 684 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,600 We did, like, have photos together, not like nudes, 685 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,720 but like just pictures of us together 686 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,600 and kissing and stuff like that. 687 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,560 And the photos got leaked on social media. 688 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,920 Wow. Yeah. 689 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,200 And did you have any support from anyone? Any friends 690 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,760 that you could trust, anyone that you were able to talk to? 691 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,040 All of the people that I thought was my friends, they abandoned me. 692 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,560 And what about your family? 693 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,080 They all rejected me. Every single one of them. 694 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,440 I was actually kicked out of my home. 695 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,320 But the reason that I really made the journey over to the UK 696 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,160 is because I was suffering from second-degree burns. 697 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,040 How did you get second-degree burns? 698 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,480 My stepdad found out where I was living and he beat me 699 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,360 and he threw acid at me. Acid? 700 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,160 So I was hospitalised. 701 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,280 I was also stabbed in my arm. 702 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,440 Who stabbed you in your arm? 703 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,320 It was my workmate, because he told the manager 704 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,400 that he don't feel comfortable working around a batty boy any more. 705 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,800 So he literally got a knife and he stabbed me. 706 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,080 Like, right there. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. 707 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:04,680 As an athlete yourself, what do you think a sporting event 708 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,360 like the Commonwealth Games could do 709 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,640 in order to help people across the Commonwealth? 710 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,640 Well, my point of view, have the Pride flag there. 711 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,680 Like, that would make a major difference. 712 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,880 If you were still in Barbados 713 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,560 and you saw that at the Commonwealth Games Opening Ceremony... 714 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,280 I would be jumping for joy, actually, because it would then show 715 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,560 that we are getting there. It's going to happen. 716 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,480 It's not fully there, but it's happening. 717 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,200 A sign of hope, I guess. Yes. 718 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,200 His story is so horrendous. 719 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,600 What has... What has he actually done to deserve that treatment? 720 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,400 He hasn't done anything. 721 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,560 Imagine being punished by your family, 722 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,960 thrown out by your family, stabbed by colleagues, 723 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,560 acid thrown at you for just being you. 724 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,480 Being punished for existing, like, it's so... 725 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,440 It's just so inherently wrong. 726 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,560 Barbados is one of 18 Caribbean countries and overseas territories 727 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,520 able to compete in the Commonwealth Games. 728 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,440 They've all had homophobic laws, but change is happening. 729 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,240 In 1991, the Bahamas abolished their anti-gay laws. 730 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,160 Since then, nine others have followed. 731 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,240 But in Jamaica, being gay remains a crime. 732 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:33,160 The penalty - ten years' imprisonment, with hard labour. 733 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,160 I've been sent some videos 734 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,200 from people on the ground in Jamaica. 735 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,520 Just some examples of what happens to queer people. 736 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,680 SHOUTING It's live, it's live, it's live. 737 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,600 They've caught the perpetrator and they're going to kill him now. 738 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,880 I'm live on the scene for 14. I'm live on the scene... 739 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,800 They're recording this as if it's some kind of joke. 740 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,640 Like they're hunting after... 741 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,080 ..an animal. 742 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,520 There's another one. 743 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,480 I can't even watch that. 744 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,080 Someone is just being beaten with a...pole. 745 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,560 You'd think that this was, like, 20 years ago, 746 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,920 but this was just last year. 747 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,040 It's flipped on its head everything I thought about Jamaica, 748 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,400 quite frankly. 749 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000 Everything I hear about Jamaica is people in the UK 750 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,200 going there on holiday. 751 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,440 I mean, I'm sure the resorts are lovely, but it doesn't 752 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,240 really give you the real sense of Jamaica and what LGBT people face 753 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,920 if they were born here. 754 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,840 At the last Commonwealth Games, Jamaica was the top-performing 755 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,360 Caribbean country with 27 medals. 756 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:03,640 I'm about to meet Michael Gunning, who is currently the only out LGBT 757 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,720 athlete that represents Jamaica. 758 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,320 He was born in the UK, grew up there, but does 759 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,760 have dual citizenship 760 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,360 and this is the first time he's been back to Jamaica 761 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,480 since coming out. 762 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,720 You asked to meet here, which is an isolated beach away 763 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,480 from as many people as possible. 764 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,400 What made you think that that was so important to do? 765 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,440 I think just scared of our safety. 766 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,600 Like, I have this fear of us walking in the street in Kingston 767 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,160 and us not looking as macho as everyone else and us just sticking 768 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,240 out like a sore thumb. 769 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:38,520 So, what was it that actually made you decide to compete for Jamaica 770 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,080 instead of Great Britain? Obviously, my dad is Jamaican, 771 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,880 my mum's British and all of my family kind of said that, 772 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,440 why don't I represent Jamaica? You know, that I should be 773 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,720 flying the Jamaican flag, but a year after competing, 774 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,160 that's when I decided to come out 775 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,920 and I think it was just because if I didn't, it was honestly 776 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,000 going to eat me alive. 777 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,080 But there were so many messages from people out in Jamaica sending 778 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,440 abuse and death threats and just some 779 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,480 horrible, horrible messages. 780 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,160 I have got some saved. 781 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,560 So, one of the messages was, "Shame on you. 782 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,200 "People like you should be killed. 783 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,160 "Why couldn't you have stuck with Great Britain 784 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,000 "rather than bringing shame to our country? 785 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,680 "Go back to where you came from. 786 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,280 "I wish you dead." 787 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,520 Oh, my God. Yeah, it's just... Yeah. 788 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,360 I can imagine it was like a really dark period. Yeah. 789 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,360 My dad told me not to talk about it, just to do my job 790 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,640 and to swim, you know? 791 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,280 But I think, you know, I do have Jamaican roots. 792 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,040 You know, I am dual nationality, 793 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,280 and I just felt so much shame, which was just really hard to deal with. 794 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,280 Deep down, if you honestly ask me if I could change back and almost 795 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,280 be straight, I would love to be straight. 796 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,680 Pains me to say, but honestly, I can't 100% say that I am happy 797 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,240 to be who I am. 798 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:54,320 Within the Jamaican team, there has to be other gay people. 799 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,480 Have you had any gay athletes reach out to you? 800 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,440 I've had some Jamaican athletes that have been very open 801 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,520 about their sexuality with me, but they're really scared 802 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,400 of it getting out and I can only do so much to support and to tell them 803 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,880 that it's going to be OK. But will it be OK? 804 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,320 You know, there is still that massive question mark 805 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,640 on the unknown of, you know, will they be safe? 806 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,640 Gay athletes actually living in Jamaica are forced 807 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,200 to hide their sexuality, and many have been too scared to talk. 808 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,960 In the last 24 hours, an athlete has agreed to speak to me 809 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,760 and, understandably, they have asked to be completely anonymous and meet 810 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,000 in a very secluded location in order to be fully protected. 811 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,320 I know you've asked to meet anonymously. 812 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,800 Could you tell me a little bit about why that is? 813 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,640 Because you're basically taking a chance to even entertain 814 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,200 the thought of talking about your sexuality or your experiences 815 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,240 while living here in Jamaica as an athlete. 816 00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:01,960 Because, point blank, there is no tolerance here. 817 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,600 What was your experience of growing up and being queer in Jamaica? 818 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,240 Did you experience any forms of homophobia? 819 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:13,280 You're more susceptible to being ridiculed, stoned, 820 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,200 being verbally assaulted. Stoned? Like, what, just... 821 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,800 just in the streets? Stoned by kids, stoned by... 822 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,240 Just as you're walking down the street, people are... 823 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,760 They will hurl insults at you. What kind of things do they say? 824 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,920 Like...? They'll say butch, dyke, sodomite. 825 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,680 Like a biblical reference from Sodom and Gomorrah. Yeah. 826 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,840 And then sometimes it might lead into physical assault. 827 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,160 And, as an athlete, do you worry about coming out in terms 828 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,040 of sponsorship, being kicked off the team? 829 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,560 It plays on my mind all the time, actually. 830 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,160 Imagine coming out and saying, "OK, I'm a gay athlete." 831 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,680 I think a lot of companies here, the first thing they will say is, 832 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,920 "This wouldn't be a good example for our children. 833 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,000 "I don't want to be associated with that." 834 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,600 What do you think can be done in order to make queer people feel 835 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,200 safer within the realm of sport? Even as small as it may be, 836 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,640 show the Pride flag. 837 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,320 It will make a big difference. 838 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,240 Once you can fly the flag in a sporting event and no-one 839 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:19,400 is being abusive towards it, that says safety. 840 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,720 That's what I believe, personally. 841 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,920 I believe the Commonwealth Games can do more to help, 842 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,520 but one of the problems with changing things here 843 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,560 is that you have to deal with a lot of toxic history. 844 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,360 Hundreds of years ago, people were captured from Africa and shipped 845 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:45,760 to Jamaica to work on the island's British-owned slave plantations. 846 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,880 I'm meeting Carla Moore, a university lecturer specialising 847 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,880 in race and sexuality. 848 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,720 Hi, Carla. Hi, Tom. 849 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:55,640 How are you? I'm pretty good. How are you? 850 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,400 I'm doing well, thank you. 851 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,560 She's been researching the link between homophobia today 852 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,120 and the slave trade. 853 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:04,920 On the plantation, 854 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,280 gay sex wasn't allowed and it wasn't allowed specifically 855 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,520 because it doesn't make a baby. 856 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,920 So it was beneficial to the plantation owner for people 857 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,720 to be having heterosexual sex because they could get 858 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,520 a "free slave" out of the union. 859 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,880 So we have whippings, lynchings on the plantation for people 860 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,600 who are engaging in same-sex sex. 861 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,960 And then you have something that's called buck breaking. 862 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,240 Buck breaking? Buck breaking, yes. 863 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:33,520 Buck breaking is anal rape of enslaved men 864 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,640 as a form of punishment. 865 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,760 The slave owner would carry him out in front of his family, in front 866 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,320 of the friends, and he would rape him as a way to break his spirit. 867 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,720 Oh, my gosh. Yeah. 868 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:49,040 And so what we have is this very complicated history of sexual trauma 869 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,440 that went on for, like, 300 years. 870 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,760 And if the representation you have of queerness is plantation 871 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,440 owners sexually assaulting men, you get the idea that it's a white 872 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,000 people thing, it's a thing that white people do to black people 873 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,480 to harm them. The end result of that is a homophobia we see today 874 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,880 and, actually, that the level of the country, it's also about, 875 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,200 I have to make it clear that you're not in charge here any more. 876 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,120 You're not the master of this country any more. 877 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,560 We get to determine how we're going to proceed. 878 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,160 And, unfortunately, that plays out on the bodies of LGBT people. 879 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,720 Everything you've just told me, it's... It makes everything make 880 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,680 complete sense, you know? 881 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,840 It honestly makes me feel sick to be British 882 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,600 when you just hear these things. 883 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,400 I get that. 884 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,080 That's level one. 885 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,040 Level two is, "Now what?" 886 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,080 You know I'm saying? Like, stop coming down here to make us feel 887 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,760 like we're the worst people in the world. We've had enough of that. 888 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,280 Is there another approach that we can take? 889 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,160 Because even though there is still homophobia, LGBT Jamaicans, 890 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,520 advocates for LGBT Jamaicans have been working for years, 891 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,880 but some people still have us 892 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,040 stuck at the most homophobic place on Earth, 893 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,160 and it's very disrespectful to the work that the advocates are doing. 894 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,840 It is easy to fall into the trap of thinking that they've got 895 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,880 a problem with homophobia and we're all queer-inclusive, 896 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,480 but that's just not the case, and it's not helpful for the people 897 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,600 around the Commonwealth to be constantly pointing a finger at 898 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,880 that "they haven't removed the laws". It's not as simple as that. 899 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,680 I've just learned so much today that it's really like...quite... 900 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,920 I don't know. It's overwhelming. 901 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,720 I'm taking Carla's advice and going to meet a prominent 902 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,720 campaigner to see what he thinks the Commonwealth Games 903 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:41,520 can do to help. 904 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,080 I'm about to go and meet Glenroy Murray, who is the executive 905 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:49,720 director of J-Flag, which is a LGBT rights organisation here in Jamaica. 906 00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:55,240 Unfortunately, in Jamaica, LGBT people face a myriad of challenges. 907 00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:58,400 He's doing some kind of promotional video for J-Flag in the middle 908 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,480 of the town in Kingston. 909 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,520 From everything I've heard, that just shouldn't 910 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,640 happen in Jamaica. 911 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,200 And we're done. 912 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,520 What are you doing here? 913 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,560 So what we're doing is we're shooting a campaign video 914 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,200 and we've shot at this mural before, because it's one 915 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,520 of our installations. 916 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,840 The Pride-like colours are deliberate in this. 917 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,800 Yes, it's just our way of showing people 918 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,720 that we're just like the rest of them. 919 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:26,160 Do you not feel, like, worried about filming, you know, 920 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,400 an LGBT-rights campaign in the middle of Kingston? 921 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,000 We're aware that violence and discrimination is a thing 922 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,600 that LGBT people continue to face, but this kind of activism is needed, 923 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,280 so we're always going to try to push the envelope. 924 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,720 How can events like the Commonwealth Games help to create some kind 925 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:45,760 of change here in Jamaica? 926 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,120 Big sporting events capture the attention of the public, 927 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,080 and it sounds simple, but the world is watching. 928 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,960 If we see LGBT rights being acknowledged within those spaces, 929 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,640 we'll get people to a space where they feel like, "You know what? 930 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,520 "Why do we continue to treat queer people in this way, especially 931 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,800 "when they are the ones that are making us proud about our country?" 932 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,920 Sport in Jamaica might have a long way to go, but people like Glenroy 933 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,160 are starting to change things. 934 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,880 There have actually been Pride marches here since 2015, 935 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,160 and gay Jamaicans are becoming more visible. 936 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,640 Glenroy has invited me to meet some of his friends, 937 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,040 but I have no idea what to expect. 938 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:35,520 He said it's a queer-friendly space and I am excited by the prospect 939 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,760 of being able to hang out with queer Jamaicans in a public place. 940 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,720 Hello. Hi. Good to see you. 941 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:44,960 Hi! Good to see you, too. How you doing? Nice to meet you. 942 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,520 Oh, you can just join us. Yeah, I'd love that. Absolutely. 943 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,360 Scoot over, scoot over. 944 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,840 The thought of this - being, like, with queer people in public, 945 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,960 you know, having drinks, like, to me, like, 946 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,160 I just didn't know that that existed in Jamaica. 947 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,040 I remember Carnival, I was on halfway through 948 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,560 and they started stoning the gays. 949 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:06,440 But now we are able to integrate into spaces with, like, the regular 950 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,040 community. Just as Jamaica now is probably very unrecognisable 951 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,000 to somebody who lived here in the early 2000s, 952 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,880 it would be very unrecognisable to me by 2030. 953 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,760 So I'm very excited for what the future holds. 954 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,560 Coming here today and spending time with a group of queer Jamaicans, 955 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,480 seeing how happy they are, and happy they are to be visible, 956 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,720 it does fill me with hope. 957 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:33,280 I don't know, I feel more motivated than ever 958 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,200 to really try and fight for change. 959 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,880 It's two months until the athletes arrive in Birmingham 960 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,040 and now I'm taking the thoughts of the people that I've met 961 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,040 and putting them into a manifesto to send to 962 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,240 the Commonwealth Games Federation. 963 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,240 The bulk of the things that I'm asking for are easily put 964 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:57,320 into action quickly. 965 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,440 Things like putting a pro-LGBT stance at the forefront 966 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,640 of the Commonwealth Games ethos. Educational programmes 967 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,200 around the British Empire. Sensitivity training 968 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,640 for all of the Commonwealth Games staff and volunteers. 969 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:17,400 Refugee resources that allow you to be able to start seeking asylum 970 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,200 in the country that is hosting. 971 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,680 Now, this is the big ask - to have the Pride flag play 972 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,360 an official part at the Opening Ceremony, something that a sporting 973 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,760 event of this size has never done before. 974 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,640 I think it would just send a bold message to everyone 975 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,840 across the Commonwealth that the Commonwealth Games accepts 976 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,120 and embraces queer people. 977 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:43,080 And I think that would be a hugely powerful statement to send 978 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,840 to everyone watching around the Commonwealth. 979 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,400 "I hope we can move forward and use sport as a power for change." 980 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,840 If they want to make it happen, they will, but... 981 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,200 Yeah, I just... 982 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,400 Yeah, I'm kind of nervous. 983 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,320 I've been negotiating, doing phone calls, back-and-forth emails 984 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,160 for months now, trying to figure out what exactly can happen 985 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,400 at the Commonwealth Games Opening Ceremony. 986 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,160 LINE RINGING 987 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,160 Commonwealth Games Federation. 988 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,320 Hello, it's Tom Daley here. 989 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,800 LINE RINGING 990 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,000 Just wanted to give you a quick call to talk about plans 991 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,360 for the Opening Ceremony. 992 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,760 There are a lot of doors that were slammed in our faces, 993 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,960 there was a lot of things that were suggested 994 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,240 and then shut down and suggested and shut down, 995 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:35,120 but after months, we've finally come up with something. 996 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,320 They finally agreed to allow the Pride flag to be included. 997 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,800 And not just one - 998 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,320 there's going to be six. In a really official part, too - 999 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,400 the Queen's Baton Relay - and it's going to be carried 1000 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,760 by people from all over the Commonwealth. 1001 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,160 Hi, Tom. Athletes and advocates that I've met along the way. 1002 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,760 Hey, Tom. Hi, Glenroy, how are you? 1003 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,600 We've got people representing asylum seekers and refugees. 1004 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,240 Honestly, I've already cried a lot about this, because you just don't 1005 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,320 imagine in your wildest dreams that something 1006 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,560 like this could happen. 1007 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,520 I am so excited and just so grateful 1008 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,040 that you are getting involved in this. 1009 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,040 If I had seen this moment as a young lesbian growing up in Zimbabwe, 1010 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,960 it would have meant everything for me. 1011 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,040 It would have meant I am not alone. 1012 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,360 People who have fought to change the law in their country. 1013 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,120 People that have had to flee their country. 1014 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,320 This is quite an historic moment, 1015 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,520 the first time that the Pride flag is being flown proudly 1016 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,000 at a major sporting event, so that's huge. 1017 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,800 This is really going to be ground-breaking now. 1018 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,840 For generations, people will be talking about it. 1019 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,040 It's the first major sporting event to do this. 1020 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,080 Like, they are going to change history in the way that sport 1021 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,200 and the LGBT community come together. 1022 00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:01,160 I'm kind of nervous, super excited and almost just... I just still 1023 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,240 just can't quite believe that over a billion people 1024 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:08,440 are going to see the Pride flags walk out at the Opening Ceremony. 1025 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,440 Hello, everyone. Nice to see you. 1026 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,880 Hello. Good to see you. Hello, hello, hello. Oh! 1027 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,960 This moment means so much to the six advocates. 1028 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,920 I can't believe it's all finally happening. 1029 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,440 It's the fact that it's happening at the Commonwealth Games. 1030 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,520 Yes. We are occupying spaces where it matters and we don't 1031 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,720 have to apologise for it, 1032 00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:32,720 we don't have to beg for it, because we belong here. 1033 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,800 Three, two, one! 1034 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,800 CHEERING 1035 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,880 And now it is my honour to say welcome to Birmingham. 1036 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,680 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1037 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:53,120 ANDREW COTTER: The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall. 1038 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,200 Hello, Birmingham. You all right? 1039 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,760 We are ready. Let's go. 1040 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,160 This is what we've been working towards. This huge moment 1041 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:09,080 of visibility for LGBT people across the Commonwealth to feel seen 1042 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,720 and to feel acknowledged. 1043 00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:17,240 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1044 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,160 CHEERING 1045 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,840 For the last 300 days, 1046 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,960 over 7,000 baton bearers have carried the Queen's baton 1047 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,400 across the Commonwealth in the name of their chosen cause. 1048 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,120 And now, completing this epic journey, 1049 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,960 please welcome our final baton bearers. 1050 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,600 Starting with five-times 1051 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,840 Commonwealth medal-winner for diving, Tom Daley! 1052 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,880 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1053 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,880 Tom is running in support of LGBT+ rights, and tonight 1054 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,840 has been joined by flag-bearers 1055 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,440 representing some of the 35 Commonwealth countries 1056 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,560 where homosexuality is still a crime. 1057 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:08,520 He runs in solidarity with all LGBT+ athletes and communities. 1058 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,960 CHEERING 1059 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:35,400 This was an incredibly emotional moment, but this wasn't about me. 1060 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,640 This is about every single LGBT person around the Commonwealth, 1061 00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,440 around the world, that they might have seen that tonight 1062 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,040 and been given a little bit of hope. 1063 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,400 Even if it can make the smallest difference to someone out there, 1064 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,920 it was all worth it because someone today might have seen that and felt 1065 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,440 a little less alone in the world. 1066 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,840 Big things come from small beginnings, 1067 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,120 and today the Commonwealth Games made history. 1068 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,120 But the Olympics, the football World Cup and Formula 1 1069 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,160 still have a long way to go. 1070 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,200 I just see this as the start. 1071 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,600 I want other sporting events to take note 1072 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,240 because we're not going anywhere. 1073 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,400 CHEERING 86925

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