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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:26,810 --> 00:01:28,480 [Steppin' into swing society Playing] 2 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:50,200 man: I think it's terribly important that 3 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:53,740 jazz is primarily dance music. 4 00:01:53,970 --> 00:01:57,070 So, you move when you hear it, 5 00:01:57,210 --> 00:02:04,080 and it always moves in a direction of elegance, 6 00:02:04,220 --> 00:02:09,390 which is the most civilized thing that a human being can do. 7 00:02:09,620 --> 00:02:18,630 The ultimate extension, elaboration, and refinement of effort 8 00:02:18,670 --> 00:02:25,270 is elegance where just doing it gives pleasure of itself. 9 00:02:25,410 --> 00:02:30,210 That's about as far as we can get with life. 10 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,540 That's equivalent to what Ernest Hemingway called 11 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,780 the sweat on a wine bottle. 12 00:02:34,910 --> 00:02:39,550 If you don't enjoy how those beads of sweat look, you know, 13 00:02:39,690 --> 00:02:42,090 when you pour the white wine out and you taste it 14 00:02:42,220 --> 00:02:46,520 and how your partner looks and how the sunlight comes through, you missed it. 15 00:02:46,660 --> 00:03:10,080 [Ridin' high Playing] 16 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:16,250 Man: January 1, 1936... The swingos think that swing 17 00:03:16,490 --> 00:03:19,860 is marking an indelible notation on the evolution of jazz. 18 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:23,700 With them, it's a creed, a code. 19 00:03:23,830 --> 00:03:27,530 That's why the swing addicts seem so glazed and dazed 20 00:03:27,770 --> 00:03:33,540 in their nth degree appreciation of this...Swing business... 21 00:03:33,770 --> 00:03:36,440 So what is swing? 22 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:42,550 Ask any one of the swingoists, and they all vamp off, "well, swing is something like..." 23 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,020 But none seems able to define just what it is. 24 00:03:47,150 --> 00:03:57,560 Abel green. Variety. 25 00:03:57,700 --> 00:04:03,340 narrator: In the mid 1930s, as the great depression stubbornly refused to lift, 26 00:04:03,470 --> 00:04:06,400 jazz came as close as it has ever come 27 00:04:06,540 --> 00:04:11,340 to being america's popular music. 28 00:04:11,380 --> 00:04:14,850 It had a new name now--swing-- 29 00:04:14,980 --> 00:04:18,480 and its impact was revolutionary. 30 00:04:18,620 --> 00:04:22,850 Swing rescued the recording industry. 31 00:04:22,990 --> 00:04:28,660 In 1932, just 10 million records had been sold in the United States. 32 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:37,540 By 1939, that number would grow to 50 million. 33 00:04:37,670 --> 00:04:41,570 Swing--which had grown up in the dancehalls of Harlem-- 34 00:04:41,710 --> 00:04:53,650 would become the defining music for an entire generation of Americans. 35 00:04:53,790 --> 00:04:57,920 Man: I think that we all have a hankering for the music 36 00:04:58,060 --> 00:05:00,690 we were hearing when we were 14, 15, 16 years old. 37 00:05:00,830 --> 00:05:02,460 I think that never gets away from us, 38 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,930 and with me, it was the swing bands. 39 00:05:07,070 --> 00:05:09,670 That was my music. This is where I was coming from. 40 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,240 This is the thing that gripped my heart at the beginning, 41 00:05:12,370 --> 00:05:17,080 and as is the case with anybody, those things that you picked up 42 00:05:17,210 --> 00:05:20,650 early in your life are the ones you turn back to, you know, 43 00:05:20,780 --> 00:05:22,350 when you want a little solace. 44 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,820 [Bugle call rag Playing] 45 00:05:26,850 --> 00:05:31,260 Man: People needed dance music, maybe more than ever in america, 46 00:05:31,390 --> 00:05:36,960 because the country was in such doldrums. 47 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:41,400 So I think people needed the escape of going to the savoy 48 00:05:41,530 --> 00:05:43,100 and to those other places to dance. 49 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,470 They needed those bands. 50 00:05:45,710 --> 00:05:49,370 As an antidote to the depression, I think swing music 51 00:05:49,410 --> 00:06:01,050 did as much as mgm musicals to help america through. 52 00:06:01,290 --> 00:06:05,090 Narrator: Swing provided Hollywood with its theme music 53 00:06:05,130 --> 00:06:11,260 and offered entertainment, elegance, and escape for a people down on their luck. 54 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:17,000 Radios and jukeboxes could be heard playing swing along every main street in america, 55 00:06:17,140 --> 00:06:19,100 providing the accompaniment 56 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,240 for a host of exhilarating new dances-- 57 00:06:22,380 --> 00:06:25,310 the big apple and little peach, 58 00:06:25,550 --> 00:06:27,950 the shag and susy q, 59 00:06:28,180 --> 00:06:31,080 and the dance that had started it all-- 60 00:06:31,220 --> 00:06:36,520 the Lindy hop-- now called jitterbugging. 61 00:06:36,660 --> 00:06:38,890 Hundreds of bands were on the road-- 62 00:06:38,930 --> 00:06:41,530 and young people followed the careers 63 00:06:41,660 --> 00:06:43,290 of the musicians who played in them 64 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:47,570 just as they followed their favorite baseball players. 65 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:51,040 Millions of white Americans who had never listened to jazz before 66 00:06:51,170 --> 00:06:55,410 suddenly filled ballrooms and theaters all over the country-- 67 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,040 the aragon in Chicago, 68 00:06:58,180 --> 00:07:02,950 the alcazar in Baltimore, and the Ali baba in Oakland; 69 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,780 the twilight in fort dodge, Iowa, 70 00:07:05,820 --> 00:07:11,060 and the moonlight in canton, Ohio... 71 00:07:11,190 --> 00:07:13,560 The arcadia ballroom in Detroit, 72 00:07:13,690 --> 00:07:17,030 the Paramount theater in New York, 73 00:07:17,060 --> 00:07:19,360 and the palomar ballroom in Los Angeles, 74 00:07:19,500 --> 00:07:22,630 where Benny Goodman had thrilled audiences 75 00:07:22,870 --> 00:07:26,040 with his version of the music first played by Louis Armstrong, 76 00:07:26,270 --> 00:07:32,680 Fletcher Henderson, chick webb and Duke Ellington. 77 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:37,920 Man: Swing music was an electrifying development in American popular culture. 78 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:46,790 It unleashed forces that, I think, people didn't know existed. 79 00:07:46,930 --> 00:07:51,760 There had been dance bands, sweet bands, sentimental bands, 80 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,700 but when Benny Goodman reached those kids 81 00:07:53,830 --> 00:07:56,170 at the palomar ballroom in California, 82 00:07:56,300 --> 00:07:57,870 it was like 20 years later with rock and roll. 83 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,270 He was playing a swinging rough music 84 00:08:01,410 --> 00:08:03,740 that had been played in black communities for years. 85 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,540 Ellington, you know, wrote It don't mean a thing If it ain't got that swing 86 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:07,980 3 years earlier, 87 00:08:08,110 --> 00:08:09,650 and chick webb's band was doing it 88 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:10,850 and Fletcher Henderson's. 89 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,650 It swept the country. 90 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:15,490 It was--it unleashed some kind of pent-up excitement 91 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:21,230 and--and--and physicality that I think nobody was quite prepared for. 92 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,360 Also, this was the depression. It was not an easy period. 93 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:40,710 And this was a music that was just pure pleasure, pure physical pleasure. 94 00:08:40,850 --> 00:09:25,560 [Blue skies Playing] 95 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:28,960 Man: We are getting this money out just as fast as we can 96 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:35,100 because we are anxious to get the unemployed from relief rolls onto payrolls. 97 00:09:35,130 --> 00:09:42,010 We are not only building roads, we are building Bridges, we're building dams... 98 00:09:42,140 --> 00:09:54,120 It is going into public buildings and various other projects. 99 00:09:54,150 --> 00:09:59,520 Man: Song is the wind-chime of memory, 100 00:09:59,660 --> 00:10:03,060 and these were our songs. 101 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:08,330 They were part of the daily ordinary... 102 00:10:08,570 --> 00:10:13,500 And this, I think, is what took Benny over the gap, 103 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,240 out of jazz, into the American parlor. 104 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,150 He arrived with Blueskies. Well, we knew Blue skies. 105 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,180 I mean, everybody knew Irving Berlin so that we were home free. 106 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:33,090 This is our guy. 107 00:10:33,230 --> 00:10:38,330 Narrator: Within a month of Benny Goodman's unexpected success at the palomar, 108 00:10:38,460 --> 00:10:45,000 his records stood at number 3, number two, and number one in California record stores. 109 00:10:45,140 --> 00:10:52,010 He was 26 years old and already being billed as the "king of swing." 110 00:10:52,150 --> 00:10:56,280 Suddenly, his music was everywhere, 111 00:10:56,420 --> 00:11:00,480 and Goodman, the reticent son of Jewish immigrants from the slums of Chicago, 112 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:06,690 was becoming a matinee idol. 113 00:11:06,830 --> 00:11:09,030 Woman: I kind of was in love with Benny Goodman. 114 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,730 I don't know why. 115 00:11:10,860 --> 00:11:12,600 I thought he looked great, 116 00:11:12,830 --> 00:11:15,630 and I loved the way he just stood there, 117 00:11:15,770 --> 00:11:18,300 and he didn't over-- you know--emphasize himself. 118 00:11:18,340 --> 00:11:21,710 He was cool. To me, he was a cool guy--in my youth. 119 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,540 You know, I was 16 years old, 17. 120 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:25,780 Radio announcer: The "king of swing". 121 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:27,380 Yes, sir, it's Benny Goodman himself, playing... 122 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:30,610 Gordon: And I used to put the radio on at high volume 123 00:11:30,750 --> 00:11:33,250 and put my ear to it to hear gene krupa, 124 00:11:33,390 --> 00:11:37,060 and my mother would go crazy, saying, "what are you doing?" 125 00:11:37,190 --> 00:11:43,690 I said, "mom, shh! I gotta hear this!" 126 00:11:43,830 --> 00:11:49,500 Narrator: On march 3, 1937, Benny Goodman's orchestra began a two-week engagement 127 00:11:49,540 --> 00:11:53,640 at the Paramount theater in Times Square. 128 00:11:53,770 --> 00:11:57,380 Until then, they had played hotels and ballrooms 129 00:11:57,510 --> 00:12:01,610 where alcohol was served and the customers were mostly adults. 130 00:12:01,750 --> 00:12:06,020 [Sing sing sing Playing] 131 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:12,690 But at the Paramount, everyone was welcome. 132 00:12:12,830 --> 00:12:15,590 For the first time, high-school students, 133 00:12:15,730 --> 00:12:18,400 who had been buying up Benny Goodman's records, 134 00:12:18,530 --> 00:12:26,640 now had a chance to see their hero in person. 135 00:12:26,770 --> 00:12:28,540 Collier: The moment had come, 136 00:12:28,580 --> 00:12:35,380 and they were pouring out of the subways around Times Square in mobs, 137 00:12:35,510 --> 00:12:39,050 and the police didn't know what was going on. 138 00:12:39,190 --> 00:12:41,050 Where were all these kids coming from? 139 00:12:41,290 --> 00:12:43,150 What was it all about? 140 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:49,190 Gordon: The music had such an incredible beat that it just brought you out of yourself 141 00:12:49,330 --> 00:12:52,860 and you got out of your seat and you danced with whoever-- a stranger, you didn't know. 142 00:12:52,900 --> 00:13:01,370 But it was just fun to get up and move with that beat. 143 00:13:01,510 --> 00:13:05,380 Collier: And the kids started jitterbugging in the aisles... 144 00:13:05,610 --> 00:13:09,980 Right up around the stage, and some of them even jumping up on the stage. 145 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,580 And that was what triggered a great deal of publicity, 146 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,020 and Benny Goodman then, although he had been successful, 147 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,860 now he had become really an icon. 148 00:13:17,990 --> 00:13:43,080 A great--a great hero of popular culture. 149 00:13:43,220 --> 00:13:46,850 Giddins: Benny was a good role model. 150 00:13:46,990 --> 00:13:48,690 He comes out, he looks like a gentleman, 151 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,520 and then, in the middle of a clarinet solo, 152 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,320 all of a sudden, he's got one foot raised, and he's hopping around, 153 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:55,560 then he sits down on a chair, and he practically falls over, 154 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:58,200 and he becomes completely consumed in the music, 155 00:13:58,330 --> 00:14:00,860 and this is mesmerizing for an audience because it's not a show, 156 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:41,470 it's not a put-on-- it's Goodman. 157 00:14:41,610 --> 00:14:51,350 Maher: The thing about Benny that was so great was that it was kind of an explosion. 158 00:14:51,380 --> 00:14:56,390 He showed up on the scene, completely unknown as far as we were concerned. 159 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,160 We knew Ellington, we knew all the other big names, 160 00:14:59,190 --> 00:15:01,490 and here is this kid nobody had ever heard of. 161 00:15:01,630 --> 00:15:08,630 And overnight, this guy walks into the American parlor with jazz by the scruff of its neck. 162 00:15:08,670 --> 00:15:12,500 And all of a sudden, jazz, which was almost a cult music, 163 00:15:12,740 --> 00:15:14,770 has become American popular music, 164 00:15:14,910 --> 00:15:39,160 and that's what Goodman did. 165 00:15:39,300 --> 00:16:00,320 [Single petal of a rose Playing] 166 00:16:00,350 --> 00:16:06,320 Man: Jazz music is not race music. 167 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,900 Everybody plays jazz music. Everybody has always played it. 168 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:18,170 But if you teach the history of jazz, you have white bands and black bands. 169 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:21,040 But musicians don't learn that way. 170 00:16:21,070 --> 00:16:23,940 See, this is the big lie in the way that it's taught. 171 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:30,610 Benny Goodman was going to learn the clarinet from whoever he could. 172 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:33,750 That's how music is. 173 00:16:33,890 --> 00:16:37,390 You hear something you like, and you want to play like that. 174 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,360 It's not so much that he was the great white hope, 175 00:16:40,490 --> 00:16:42,760 it's just that the majority of people 176 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:44,860 who bought the records were white, 177 00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:46,330 the majority of people who wrote about it were white, 178 00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:48,170 the record companies were owned by white people. 179 00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:51,400 Just the music came out of the afro-American community. 180 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,910 So it just stands to logic and reason that the king of it would be white. 181 00:16:56,140 --> 00:17:11,560 Now, Benny Goodman himself didn't think that. 182 00:17:11,690 --> 00:17:15,060 Interviewer: Where did you get your ideas from? 183 00:17:15,190 --> 00:17:21,570 The ideas? Oh, man, I got a million dreams. 184 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:24,730 It's all I do is dream... All the time. 185 00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:27,070 Interviewer: I thought you played piano. 186 00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:29,540 No. This not piano; This is dreaming. 187 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:59,140 [Playing Symphony in black] 188 00:17:59,170 --> 00:18:03,040 that's dreaming. 189 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:10,820 Murray: Ellington once defined jazz as "negro feelings," 190 00:18:11,050 --> 00:18:20,020 by which he meant American negro feelings put to rhythm and tune. 191 00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:28,800 Ellington's music represented the musical equivalent 192 00:18:28,930 --> 00:18:38,240 to the American spirit of affirmation in the face of adversity. 193 00:18:38,380 --> 00:18:42,550 It was constantly creative, you know? 194 00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:49,350 It generated resilience which made an experimental attitude possible. 195 00:18:49,490 --> 00:19:31,000 Meant you developed an experimental disposition... 196 00:19:31,130 --> 00:19:33,730 Narrator: Duke Ellington never publicly complained 197 00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:37,500 about Benny Goodman's coronation as "the king of swing" 198 00:19:37,740 --> 00:19:42,670 or the enormous popularity of the new, mostly white bands that followed in his wake. 199 00:19:42,810 --> 00:19:47,610 "Jazz is music," he said. "Swing is business." 200 00:19:47,650 --> 00:19:51,680 [Solitude Playing] 201 00:19:51,820 --> 00:19:57,750 He continued on his own independent course, refusing to be categorized. 202 00:19:57,890 --> 00:20:03,260 By doing that, his trumpeter Rex Stewart remembered, 203 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:05,730 "he could stand above his contemporaries... 204 00:20:05,870 --> 00:20:10,000 In the manner of a god descending from olympian heights... 205 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:17,210 Let the world catch up." 206 00:20:17,340 --> 00:20:20,480 Man: He was writing for a special orchestra, 207 00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:23,550 and he was not going to be carried away 208 00:20:23,780 --> 00:20:26,820 by a new trend or a new-- a new kind of style 209 00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:31,190 just to say, well, he's among them. 210 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,160 He wasn't worried about whether he's number one or two or 3. 211 00:20:35,290 --> 00:20:36,860 He wanted to be honest to himself, 212 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,060 to what he wanted to do with that orchestra. 213 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:45,000 And so he just swam through the whole thing and still comes out to be an immortal. 214 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:53,610 [Jeep's blues Playing] 215 00:20:53,650 --> 00:20:59,750 Marsalis: At that time, there still was this desire to push the black man down at all costs, 216 00:20:59,890 --> 00:21:05,760 and Duke Ellington--he was a man with a lot of fire and pride, 217 00:21:05,790 --> 00:21:10,360 and you can believe that Duke Ellington did not like what he saw going on. 218 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,430 And even though he wasn't the type of man who would come out 219 00:21:15,570 --> 00:21:17,730 with a lot of verbal pronouncements on it, 220 00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:20,600 in his music, he makes it very, very clear 221 00:21:20,740 --> 00:21:24,710 that he is very, very proud of who he is, what he is, 222 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,150 and he feels that his music and the music of his people 223 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:34,120 was a tremendous contribution to the world of music, bar none. 224 00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:38,490 Narrator: An interviewer once asked Ellington how he felt 225 00:21:38,620 --> 00:21:44,160 about the fact that he could not stay in many of the hotels he played. 226 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,730 Ellington deflected the question. 227 00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:49,070 "I took the energy it takes to pout," he said, 228 00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:56,940 "and wrote some blues." 229 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:47,220 [Blue again Playing] 230 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:49,830 Louis Armstrong: ♪♪ I'm blue again ♪♪ 231 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,200 ♪♪ blue again... ♪♪ 232 00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:53,430 Narrator: By the mid-1930s, Louis Armstrong, 233 00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:59,570 the man who had first taught a big band to swing, was in trouble. 234 00:22:59,710 --> 00:23:09,250 He was out of work, pressed for cash, and hadn't recorded in the United States for two years. 235 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,020 Two ex-agents with gangster connections were suing him-- 236 00:23:13,150 --> 00:23:17,320 and one was threatening bodily harm. 237 00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:22,890 Armstrong needed help. He hired a new manager. 238 00:23:23,030 --> 00:23:27,860 Joe glaser was a hard, hot-tempered man, coarse and controlling, 239 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,330 with his own strong links to the mob. 240 00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:35,840 The two men never had a written contract, but for the next 30 years, 241 00:23:35,980 --> 00:23:41,010 half of everything Armstrong earned went to glaser. 242 00:23:41,050 --> 00:23:47,450 In return, glaser worked tirelessly for his star. 243 00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:53,160 He bought out Armstrong's former agents, placated his ex-wife, 244 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:56,330 made sure he played the best nightclubs and dancehalls, 245 00:23:56,460 --> 00:24:00,030 and got him a lucrative contract with decca records. 246 00:24:00,070 --> 00:24:03,570 Armstrong was happy for the help. 247 00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:06,040 He was following the practical advice 248 00:24:06,170 --> 00:24:11,340 a New Orleans bouncer had given him years before: In a world run by white people, 249 00:24:11,380 --> 00:24:16,350 "always have a white man behind you." 250 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,850 Giddins: Joe glaser was tough, he was brutal, he used to have salamis hanging from his office. 251 00:24:20,890 --> 00:24:22,790 The terrible odor. 252 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,520 And if he liked you, he'd pull down a salami and give it to you. 253 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:31,360 And Armstrong's devotion to glaser, however much glaser may disturb the rest of us, 254 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:36,570 his devotion to glaser was real and it was absolute. 255 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,040 [Shine Playing] 256 00:24:40,170 --> 00:24:44,610 Narrator: Armstrong also appeared in the movies. 257 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,940 One of his first films was a short called 258 00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:49,580 a rhapsody in black and blue. 259 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:55,550 unlike Duke Ellington, who always appeared on-screen 260 00:24:55,790 --> 00:25:00,290 as he was in life-- suave and sophisticated-- 261 00:25:00,430 --> 00:25:03,130 Louis Armstrong, a dark-skinned black man, 262 00:25:03,260 --> 00:25:16,840 was offered very different roles. 263 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:22,450 Giddins: He's dressed in a leopard skin, he's standing ankle deep in soap bubbles, 264 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,650 and he's performing in heaven because somebody was dreaming this. 265 00:25:26,790 --> 00:25:30,090 So there's all sorts of minstrel kind of humor surrounding it. 266 00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:33,890 Armstrong: ♪♪ oh, cherry drop that mean, 'cause ♪♪ 267 00:25:34,030 --> 00:25:38,560 ♪♪ my hair is gritty ♪♪ 268 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:43,100 ♪♪ just because my teeth are pearly ♪♪ 269 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,040 Giddins: But what are you actually seeing? 270 00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:50,840 You're seeing a very powerful, charismatic black man 271 00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:54,210 who is practically flexing his muscles at you 272 00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:57,750 because they are bared by the leopard skin, 273 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,280 and singing the tune "Shine", 274 00:26:00,420 --> 00:26:02,220 which itself is a minstrel number, 275 00:26:02,350 --> 00:26:04,490 in such a way that it becomes-- 276 00:26:04,620 --> 00:26:08,960 it loses whatever minstrel or negative qualities it has. 277 00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:38,520 And playing this unbelievable, unprecedented, magnificent virtuoso trumpet. 278 00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:45,860 But the Armstrong effect was just too complicated for most people. 279 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,360 They became embarrassed about it, 280 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,870 and they refused to see what was clearly on the screen, 281 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,340 which was a brilliant, brilliant young man 282 00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:54,770 they're trying to imprison with these stereotypes, 283 00:26:54,910 --> 00:27:06,080 and he's just breaking the chains right and left. 284 00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:09,050 Narrator: Movies made Armstrong even more famous 285 00:27:09,290 --> 00:27:14,320 and introduced his music to a still larger national audience. 286 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:21,830 Look out, boys, for Public melody #1. Ha! 287 00:27:21,870 --> 00:27:24,070 [Public melody #1 Playing] 288 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,170 Narrator: But as the swing era reached its zenith, 289 00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:28,470 most Americans remained unaware 290 00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:37,280 of how central Louis Armstrong was to the music they loved. 291 00:27:37,420 --> 00:27:41,420 Giddins: When you listen to Benny Goodman playing those Fletcher Henderson charts, 292 00:27:41,550 --> 00:27:43,150 and he goes, you know... 293 00:27:43,290 --> 00:27:45,190 ♪♪ Bap ba da doo Dee doo be doo bap be dap ♪♪ 294 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,260 You know, if you just make the voice a little gravelly... 295 00:27:47,490 --> 00:27:48,430 ♪♪ Bap ba da doo da doo ♪♪ 296 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,260 ♪♪ bap ba da doo da doo... ♪♪ 297 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,900 Giddins: You can hear Armstrong in every phrase. 298 00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:57,000 So, look out for Public melody #1. 299 00:27:57,140 --> 00:28:00,740 the more you listen to those arrangements, the more you listen to the soloists, 300 00:28:00,870 --> 00:28:03,210 the more you listen to everything in jazz, 301 00:28:03,340 --> 00:28:05,510 the more you keep hearing Louis, Louis, Louis. 302 00:28:05,740 --> 00:28:07,780 I mean, he created the vocabulary. 303 00:28:07,910 --> 00:28:11,280 And we've never really gotten so far beyond it 304 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,550 that it doesn't keep cropping up and that you don't hear echoes of it. 305 00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:17,420 But in swing, it really is, the sound that he brought, 306 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,220 that incredible power, it's orchestrated for a big band. 307 00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:34,100 It's orchestrated Louis. That's what the swing era is. 308 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:40,410 Marsalis: The big band music was popular because first it comes out of the soil of the country. 309 00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:47,280 It has the happiness and joy of the sound of jazz in it. 310 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,620 It was at a certain time in the country where you have a certain sophistication 311 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:57,730 and a belief in adult sensibility. 312 00:28:57,860 --> 00:29:01,160 You had the flowering of the American popular songs. 313 00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:04,870 So you had a lot of popular material they could sing and play. 314 00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:09,040 You had radio, which was just really kicking in, which was projecting the bands. 315 00:29:09,170 --> 00:29:12,210 And you had, also, a fantastic belief in the country, 316 00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:16,050 like a matinee in the roseland ballroom or then the cotton club. 317 00:29:16,180 --> 00:29:18,480 They would hear that on the radio and think, "boy, this is some great thing," 318 00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:20,920 like, you would look at something that would say, "made in New York," 319 00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:23,920 and if you weren't in New York, you would think, "boy, New York City." 320 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:26,890 [Well, git it! Playing] 321 00:29:27,030 --> 00:29:28,790 Radio announcer: A pleasant and good evening to you, ladies and gentlemen, 322 00:29:28,930 --> 00:29:30,590 from Manhattan to the golden gate. 323 00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:35,070 It's another first nighter on the air for the national broadcasting company... 324 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,340 Collier: One of the great thrills was at the Paramount theater 325 00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:45,340 when you would be a teenager-- 12, even as young as 12, 13, 14, 15-- 326 00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:49,780 and you'd saved your pennies, and you were able to go to the theater 327 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,680 to hear your favorite band, 328 00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:54,020 and you would hear in the distance 329 00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:58,150 the beginnings of the sound of the theme of that orchestra, 330 00:29:58,290 --> 00:30:01,090 and you would hear that very faintly in the background... 331 00:30:01,230 --> 00:30:06,030 [Band playing] 332 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,800 And then the band would rise up on this rising stage that they had 333 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:25,280 and come into sight playing their classic theme... 334 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,550 And that was--that was chills, I'm telling you, 335 00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:29,320 that was chills right up your back and across the top of your head. 336 00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:33,160 That was something. 337 00:30:33,290 --> 00:30:36,560 Narrator: In the wake of Benny Goodman's astonishing success, 338 00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:40,160 the sounds of dozens of big bands now filled the air 339 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:45,070 and helped draw millions to movie theaters and dancehalls. 340 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,610 Some played precious little jazz, emphasizing pop tunes 341 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,710 and featuring attractive singers guaranteed to boost the box office. 342 00:30:54,750 --> 00:31:02,850 But all of them encouraged Americans to get back on their feet and dance. 343 00:31:03,090 --> 00:31:06,620 There was Woody Herman's "band that plays the blues" 344 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,260 and the casa loma orchestra. 345 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,330 Bob Crosby and the bobcats. 346 00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:18,030 Kay kyser and his kollege of musical knowledge. 347 00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:22,210 There were the all-girl international sweethearts of rhythm 348 00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:26,040 and ina ray hutton and her melodears. 349 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,010 Earl hines had an orchestra, 350 00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:30,250 so did Benny Carter... 351 00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:32,720 And Charlie barnet... 352 00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:41,660 And jimmie lunceford. 353 00:31:41,790 --> 00:31:44,490 Radio announcer: Men, jubilee is on the air to bring you 354 00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:46,530 riff number one of the battle of barrel house, 355 00:31:46,670 --> 00:31:48,260 boogie woogie, and the blues. 356 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,370 For those of you who don't cotton to a melodic handle, 357 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:53,700 the treble clef is now being tintinnabulated by the cat 358 00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:56,210 whose paw is the daddy of the dicty downbeat, 359 00:31:56,340 --> 00:31:57,770 jimmie lunceford. 360 00:31:57,910 --> 00:32:03,710 [Playing Nagasaki] 361 00:32:03,850 --> 00:32:04,710 ♪♪ boy ♪♪ 362 00:32:04,850 --> 00:32:06,250 ♪♪ ginger and dynamite ♪♪ 363 00:32:07,950 --> 00:32:09,250 ♪♪ back in Nagasaki where the fellas chew tobaccky ♪♪ 364 00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:11,590 ♪♪ and the women wicky-wacky-woo! ♪♪ 365 00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:13,060 ♪♪ the way they entertain ♪♪ 366 00:32:15,890 --> 00:32:18,800 ♪♪ and the women wicky-wacky-woo! ♪♪ 367 00:32:19,030 --> 00:32:21,100 Narrator: Jimmie lunceford once said that 368 00:32:21,130 --> 00:32:23,900 "a band that looks good, goes in for better showmanship, 369 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,900 "and seems to be enjoying its work, 370 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,780 will always be sure of a return visit." 371 00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:38,580 Lunceford's orchestra would demonstrate that night after night. 372 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,080 He had fine soloists, 373 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,550 but it was the band's astonishing ensemble precision 374 00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:46,090 that brought the dancers out onto the floor 375 00:32:46,220 --> 00:32:57,270 wherever it played. 376 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,770 Giddins: Jimmie lunceford had the greatest show band that ever was. 377 00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:04,980 The guys in that band were beautiful. 378 00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:07,980 They had the best-tailored uniforms in the business, 379 00:33:08,110 --> 00:33:12,280 and they all looked great. 380 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,250 And they had all kinds of hand things, and they had novelty vocals. 381 00:33:17,390 --> 00:33:19,120 They had routines where they would throw 382 00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:27,930 the trumpets up in the air and catch them simultaneously. 383 00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:31,470 Man: Very few people are talking about jimmie lunceford. 384 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,840 Jimmie had a great respect for what he was doing, 385 00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:39,510 and he infused his men with that respect. 386 00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:41,580 And he had a lot of prima Donnas in that band, 387 00:33:41,710 --> 00:33:43,380 but once they were in that band, 388 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,210 they submerged their personalities 389 00:33:45,250 --> 00:33:47,620 into the overall ensemble. 390 00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:52,150 And it was a tremendous band. 391 00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:59,960 It was always at its peak. 392 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:09,870 [Getting sentimental Over you Playing] 393 00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:14,080 Woman: Mmm...What music, let's dance. 394 00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:23,420 Man: No, let's listen, it's Tommy dorsey. 395 00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:26,320 Announcer: And here's that sentimental gentleman himself, 396 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,890 Tommy dorsey! 397 00:34:28,030 --> 00:34:33,830 [Applause] 398 00:34:33,870 --> 00:34:38,970 [Playing Song of India] 399 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,540 narrator: Though he was billed as 400 00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:44,370 "the sentimental gentleman of swing," 401 00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:49,480 there was nothing sentimental about Tommy dorsey. 402 00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:52,720 He was combative and tight-fisted, 403 00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:56,250 a hard-drinking taskmaster who created his own band 404 00:34:56,390 --> 00:34:58,920 mostly because he could no longer bear to play 405 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,560 alongside his brother, Jimmy. 406 00:35:01,690 --> 00:35:06,830 But his band was hugely popular and through its ranks moved 407 00:35:06,970 --> 00:35:11,800 such stars as bunny berigan, Dave tough, buddy rich, 408 00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:14,640 and a skinny singer from hoboken, New Jersey, 409 00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:17,710 named frank Sinatra. 410 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,450 Shaw: Dorsey, he was a superb musician, 411 00:35:22,580 --> 00:35:26,380 he was a great trombone player. 412 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:32,020 Tommy made the trombone into a singing instrument. 413 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,430 He was the first guy who took it from a "blatting" instrument, 414 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,860 you know... ♪♪ ta da ta da da dah da da da da dah ♪♪ 415 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:40,760 And he made it into a song instrument. 416 00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:42,470 He played melodies on it. 417 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,270 His breath control was superb. 418 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,640 He was a hell of a player. He had a hell of a band. 419 00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:51,640 Very, very, very underestimated. 420 00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:54,540 Giddins: He really, I think, more than anybody else, 421 00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:58,610 was able to create an orchestra that had two souls. 422 00:35:58,750 --> 00:36:00,550 It could be a very good jazz orchestra 423 00:36:00,590 --> 00:36:02,350 and a very good pop orchestra. 424 00:36:02,490 --> 00:36:05,720 It could be a sweet band playing very sentimental tunes, 425 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,690 but it could also be a very vigorous jazz band. 426 00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:59,210 And he always kept very good soloists in the band. 427 00:36:59,340 --> 00:37:17,030 [Playing Gal from kalamazoo] 428 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,200 narrator: One of the most popular swing bands of all time was led by 429 00:37:22,330 --> 00:37:25,440 another trombonist, Glenn Miller, 430 00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:27,600 who favored tightly controlled arrangements-- 431 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,010 and plenty of vocals and showmanship. 432 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,380 ♪♪ Hi there, Tex, how's your new romance ♪♪ 433 00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:38,880 ♪♪ the one you met at the campus dance? ♪♪ 434 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,850 ♪♪ wait until you see her ♪♪ 435 00:37:40,990 --> 00:37:42,280 ♪♪ you'll agree ♪♪ 436 00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:49,130 ♪♪ my hometown gal's the only one for me ♪♪ 437 00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:55,460 ♪♪ a-b-c-d-e-f-g-h- I got a gal ♪♪ 438 00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:58,740 ♪♪ in kalamazoo ♪♪ 439 00:37:58,870 --> 00:38:00,440 Giddins: I think the importance of Glenn Miller 440 00:38:00,570 --> 00:38:04,310 was that he popularized swing music for a lot of people 441 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,110 who couldn't even get with, you know, Goodman and Ellington. 442 00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:10,050 He made it very romantic. 443 00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:13,480 He created the sound of that era that--that-- 444 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:15,220 that a lot of people will always associate-- 445 00:38:15,350 --> 00:38:17,320 people who were alive then-- with that period. 446 00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:19,360 And it's not a negligible contribution. 447 00:38:19,390 --> 00:38:23,690 Certainly, it's not creative in a traditional jazz sense, 448 00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:26,330 but it's a--it's a potent brew. 449 00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:28,160 ♪♪ ...today ♪♪ 450 00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:29,770 ♪♪ am I dreamin'? ♪♪ 451 00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:31,270 ♪♪ I can hear her screamin' ♪♪ 452 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,370 Shaw: He had what you'd call a republican band-- 453 00:38:34,510 --> 00:38:37,570 very straight-laced, middle of the road. 454 00:38:37,610 --> 00:38:40,410 And Miller was that kind of guy, he was a businessman. 455 00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:43,110 And he was sort of the Lawrence Welk of jazz. 456 00:38:43,350 --> 00:38:45,280 And that's one of the reasons he was so big, 457 00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:47,250 people could identify with what he did. 458 00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:48,890 They perceived what he was doing. 459 00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:52,660 But the biggest problem, his band never made a mistake. 460 00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:54,790 And it's one of the things wrong, 461 00:38:54,930 --> 00:38:57,360 because if you don't ever make a mistake, 462 00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:59,260 you're not playing at the edge of your ability. 463 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,030 You're playing safely, within limits, 464 00:39:01,070 --> 00:39:03,670 and you know what you can do, 465 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,270 and it sounds, after a while, extremely boring. 466 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,670 ♪♪ ...in kalamazoo ♪♪ 467 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:14,280 ♪♪ zoo zoo zoo zoo zoo zoo zoo zoo zoo zoo ♪♪ 468 00:39:14,410 --> 00:39:20,250 ♪♪ zoo... ♪♪ 469 00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:24,420 ♪♪ kalamazoo ♪♪ 470 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,490 Narrator: In the years to come, Glenn Miller and his orchestra 471 00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:31,430 would turn out hit after hit, 472 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,260 including String of pearls, 473 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,530 little brown jug, And In the mood 474 00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:41,270 that would be among swing's most familiar anthems. 475 00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:45,270 [Applause] 476 00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:52,820 [Stompin' at the savoy Playing] 477 00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:55,990 Man: I thought that the happiest I could be 478 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:03,030 would be in a jazz club, playing. 479 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:11,570 Then my dad said, "you're going to be a cattleman." 480 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,200 When we'd drive the cattle, 481 00:40:15,340 --> 00:40:18,640 my dream was that the Benny Goodman band bus 482 00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:20,940 would want to get through the cattle 483 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,480 and I wouldn't let 'em through 484 00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:28,180 unless they let me get on the bus and play with them. 485 00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:31,450 But in my mind that's what I was-- 486 00:40:31,590 --> 00:40:33,720 someday I'd be heard 487 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,030 with some band going through here. 488 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:56,950 Ha ha! 489 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:18,430 [Summertime Playing] 490 00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:21,700 Giddins: Artie Shaw is probably the finest clarinet player 491 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,140 that jazz has ever produced technically. 492 00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:27,740 A true virtuoso. 493 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,750 When you compare Artie and Benny, what people usually say is that 494 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,550 Benny swung more, he had more of a blues quality, 495 00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:37,450 but that Artie had a prettier tone, 496 00:41:37,590 --> 00:41:40,420 he was a more intellectual player, a more lyrical player, 497 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,990 had a better technique. 498 00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:50,600 Narrator: Artie Shaw was Benny Goodman's greatest rival. 499 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,970 Gifted, erudite, articulate, and opinionated, 500 00:41:55,110 --> 00:41:58,510 Shaw successfully combined chamber music with jazz 501 00:41:58,540 --> 00:42:01,310 and won an enormous following. 502 00:42:01,450 --> 00:42:05,980 But he was cursed, he said, with serious-mindedness. 503 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,120 He disliked autograph-seekers, disdained jitterbugging, 504 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,920 and was made profoundly uneasy by his own success. 505 00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:17,030 And now, ladies and gentlemen, 506 00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:53,630 our own version of Cole Porter's Begin the beguine. 507 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,940 Shaw: Well, the minute you became a big, big smash hit, 508 00:42:59,070 --> 00:43:01,940 it became very confusing. 509 00:43:02,070 --> 00:43:05,540 Nothing in life can prepare you for stardom. 510 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,480 Success is a very big problem, bigger than failure. 511 00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:11,050 You can deal with failure. 512 00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:15,180 It's tough, it's hard, you fight like hell to get--get it going. 513 00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:22,830 But success is an opiate, and you get very confused. 514 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:29,100 Things happen that you have no preparation for. 515 00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:32,100 And money comes in and popularity 516 00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:34,070 and people throw themselves at you. 517 00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:41,540 And you don't know what you're into. 518 00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:43,050 I couldn't handle it, 519 00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:46,520 I didn't know what to do with it. 520 00:43:46,650 --> 00:43:48,780 Narrator: The basic truth, Artie Shaw concluded, 521 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,920 is that popular music has little or nothing to do with 522 00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:54,790 musical values at all. 523 00:43:54,930 --> 00:43:57,760 Shaw: I still wanted to play music, 524 00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:01,260 and the audience was saying, "play what you're playing, 525 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,570 play the same thing over and over, we like that." 526 00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:06,600 And they never could get it through their heads that 527 00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:09,210 what they liked was something I was doing on my way 528 00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:10,610 to getting better. 529 00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:14,480 That record that they liked, Begin the beguine-- 530 00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:16,010 which became a millstone, 531 00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:20,380 it became an albatross around my neck. 532 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,890 Narrator: The overwhelming success of Begin the beguine 533 00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:28,160 would eventually propel Artie Shaw past Benny Goodman 534 00:44:28,290 --> 00:44:29,790 in popularity. 535 00:44:29,830 --> 00:44:36,870 But in 1939, Shaw disbanded his orchestra in frustration. 536 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,630 "I'm unhappy in the music business," he said. 537 00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:42,970 "I like the music-- love and live it, in fact-- 538 00:44:43,110 --> 00:44:53,780 but for me the business part plain stinks." 539 00:44:53,920 --> 00:45:10,270 [Truckin' Playing] 540 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,570 Man: August 27, the Duke Ellington orchestra 541 00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:15,300 will appear for one night only 542 00:45:15,340 --> 00:45:22,850 at the turnpike casino, Lincoln, Nebraska. 543 00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:26,450 August 28, Waterloo, Iowa; 544 00:45:26,580 --> 00:45:29,920 August 29 and 30, 545 00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:35,220 coronado theater, rockford, Illinois; 546 00:45:35,260 --> 00:45:42,900 August 31, orpheum theater, Madison, Wisconsin. 547 00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:44,630 September 2 and 3, 548 00:45:44,770 --> 00:45:51,670 the Duke Ellington orchestra will be appearing in Milwaukee. 549 00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:56,250 Narrator: Despite the depression and in part because of it, 550 00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:57,610 swing music had become 551 00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:59,850 a hundred-million-dollar industry. 552 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:08,060 30,000 to 40,000 musicians were employed to play dance music across the country. 553 00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:11,890 And another 8,000 men and women were needed just to manage, 554 00:46:12,030 --> 00:46:19,170 book, and promote their appearances. 555 00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:21,270 Even for the best-paid bands, 556 00:46:21,310 --> 00:46:23,910 like Benny Goodman's and Artie Shaw's, 557 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,010 the road was hectic and exhausting. 558 00:46:27,150 --> 00:46:32,480 Shaw: The problem was to meet a payroll. 559 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:37,220 You have 14 to 20 or at times 40 men, 560 00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:39,420 and you got to pay them every week. 561 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,560 In my day, the men were part of an organization. 562 00:46:42,690 --> 00:46:44,930 We traveled together, we lived together, 563 00:46:45,160 --> 00:47:10,620 and I'm talking about times when hotels were $3.00 a night. 564 00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:15,220 Narrator: Some bookers insisted bands cover 500 miles between dates 565 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,590 and work 7 nights a week-- 566 00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:21,260 until the union finally managed to get it decreased to 567 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,230 6 nights and 400 miles. 568 00:47:24,370 --> 00:47:29,100 Andy kirk and his clouds of joy averaged more than 50,000 miles 569 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,540 a year on rough roads. 570 00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:34,010 "When I left Duke," 571 00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:36,450 one long-time Ellington trumpet-player remembered, 572 00:47:36,580 --> 00:47:40,080 "I slept almost a whole year." 573 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,220 [Living in a great big way Playing] 574 00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:47,560 Man: We did 300 one-nighters and never even felt it. 575 00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:49,890 After 300 or 400 miles a day at a bus, 576 00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:52,060 we couldn't wait to get on the bandstand, 577 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,760 we had that vitality. 578 00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:55,870 We wanted to play, you know, 579 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,630 even if we hadn't eaten all day. 580 00:47:58,770 --> 00:48:01,400 'Course when I first joined the band, 581 00:48:01,540 --> 00:48:04,210 we were making about $8.00 a night. 582 00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:05,740 So we didn't play for the money. 583 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:15,380 We played for ourselves. We just loved to play. 584 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,950 Woman: Traveling could be really kind of rough 585 00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:19,960 because we'd travel for hours, 586 00:48:20,190 --> 00:48:22,090 and then we'd have to get out of the bus, 587 00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:25,960 get on the stage, and do a great show. 588 00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:27,730 And somehow, it's so funny, 589 00:48:27,970 --> 00:48:29,730 that the more difficult the traveling was 590 00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:33,200 or the more tired everyone was, the greater the music. 591 00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:37,140 The guys would come off of a long, long ride 592 00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:41,280 and sit on that bandstand and blow us away. 593 00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:46,580 It was unbelievable. 594 00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:49,150 Woman: ♪♪ I don't want you ♪ 595 00:48:49,290 --> 00:48:51,590 ♪♪ but hate to lose you ♪♪ 596 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,090 ♪♪ you got me in between ♪♪ 597 00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:56,830 ♪♪ the devil and the deep blue sea ♪♪ 598 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,770 Narrator: The men drank hard, gambled hard, played hard. 599 00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:06,540 Woman: ♪♪ ...You've got me in between ♪ 600 00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:10,240 ♪♪ the devil and the deep blue sea ♪♪ 601 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,470 ♪♪ I ought to cross you off my list ♪♪ 602 00:49:12,610 --> 00:49:16,050 ♪♪ but when you come a-knockin' at my door ♪♪ 603 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,380 ♪♪ fate seems to give my heart a twist ♪♪ 604 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,580 ♪♪ and I come running back for more ♪♪ 605 00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:24,750 ♪♪ I should hate you ♪♪ 606 00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:27,890 ♪♪ but I guess I love you ♪♪ 607 00:49:28,030 --> 00:49:30,260 ♪♪ you've got me in between ♪♪ 608 00:49:30,490 --> 00:49:52,250 ♪♪ the devil and the deep blue sea ♪♪ 609 00:49:52,380 --> 00:49:55,620 Man on P.A.: Bus 112 for Newark, New Jersey-- 610 00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:57,150 narrator: "All you need to survive on the road," 611 00:49:57,390 --> 00:49:59,120 Benny Goodman's great trumpet player 612 00:49:59,260 --> 00:50:00,660 bunny berrigan once said, 613 00:50:00,890 --> 00:50:05,360 "was a toothbrush and a photo of Louis Armstrong." 614 00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:08,660 [Tough truckin' Playing] 615 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,940 Man: "November 1-- having bus trouble. 616 00:50:13,070 --> 00:50:15,200 "Stay on road all night. 617 00:50:15,340 --> 00:50:17,410 "Weather cold. 618 00:50:17,540 --> 00:50:21,640 "Orchestra makes bonfire with bus tire. 619 00:50:21,780 --> 00:50:25,510 "Get help next morning. 620 00:50:25,650 --> 00:50:30,150 "November 7--bus seized by clothing store, 621 00:50:30,190 --> 00:50:32,950 "finally redeemed... 622 00:50:33,090 --> 00:50:37,290 "Too late for orchestra to make date in cumberland, Kentucky. 623 00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:40,660 "Woman proprietor of southern hotel holds 624 00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:43,600 king Oliver's trumpet for rent." 625 00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:48,470 Paul Barnes. 626 00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:53,540 Narrator: On the road, band leaders rarely paid for food or lodging, 627 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,880 so many musicians spent every other night sleeping on the bus 628 00:50:58,020 --> 00:51:00,250 to save a little money. 629 00:51:00,380 --> 00:51:04,050 Some bands were too poor to afford a bus at all. 630 00:51:04,090 --> 00:51:07,790 As many as 10 musicians packed into a single touring car 631 00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:12,460 and hauled their instruments in a trailer. 632 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,100 Sometimes, stranded between engagements, 633 00:51:17,230 --> 00:51:21,470 they would simply pull into a roadhouse, begin to play, 634 00:51:21,610 --> 00:51:38,720 and hope passing the hat would raise enough cash to buy dinner. 635 00:51:38,860 --> 00:51:41,160 Traveling in segregated america, 636 00:51:41,290 --> 00:51:43,790 the musicians who had been the first to play swing 637 00:51:43,930 --> 00:51:47,730 had to overcome obstacles unknown to whites. 638 00:51:47,970 --> 00:51:53,270 Black musicians were generally paid far less, 639 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,640 barred from cafes and restrooms along the road, 640 00:51:56,770 --> 00:52:00,440 were rarely permitted to eat or sleep at the hotels 641 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,350 where they performed, 642 00:52:03,580 --> 00:52:08,220 but they found a ready welcome in black neighborhoods. 643 00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:10,990 There were black-owned and operated hotels 644 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,360 and rooming-houses in every big town. 645 00:52:14,490 --> 00:52:17,660 And there was a network of celebrated cooks 646 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,030 eager to cater to black musicians. 647 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,730 "They cooked for you like they cooked for their family," 648 00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:26,840 one band-member remembered. 649 00:52:27,070 --> 00:52:41,280 "And they didn't mind filling your plate up." 650 00:52:41,420 --> 00:52:43,290 Man: And we'd get in town from the bus 651 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,220 just in time to get the instruments out 652 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,720 and set up the bandstand and go to play. 653 00:52:48,860 --> 00:52:50,230 Hadn't had anything to eat. 654 00:52:50,460 --> 00:52:53,000 I had no place to stay, or anything. 655 00:52:53,130 --> 00:52:54,860 We up there playing, and the people crammed in there, 656 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,000 and my wife Mona would be the only girl traveling with the band, 657 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:01,300 she would go around to the black neighborhoods and talk to the ladies. 658 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,140 She says, "we haven't had anything to eat. 659 00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:04,770 We haven't had any place to stay." 660 00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:06,680 And these ladies were awful nice. 661 00:53:06,910 --> 00:53:08,110 They would get together and call one another, say, 662 00:53:08,250 --> 00:53:10,550 "well, Mrs. Jones will take two over at her husband's house, 663 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,450 and Mrs. Smith say, she'll take two." 664 00:53:12,580 --> 00:53:17,090 By intermission time, Mona would come down to that bandstand 665 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,360 with a great big basket of chicken and potato salad 666 00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:21,190 and a list of names: 667 00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:23,530 "'Dizzy, you and chu Berry are staying over at Mrs. Jones house; 668 00:53:23,660 --> 00:53:26,130 Charlie, you and so-and-so over at Mrs. Smith's house." 669 00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:27,400 And this is the way we survived... 670 00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:34,870 [Queen isabella Playing] 671 00:53:35,110 --> 00:53:38,710 Man: Variety. June, 1937. 672 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,280 "Attendance records are being broken 673 00:53:41,410 --> 00:53:43,380 "practically every night of the week. 674 00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:46,850 "Claim is that many of the smaller spots, 675 00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:49,480 "including those far off the beaten path, 676 00:53:49,620 --> 00:53:54,620 "turn in better grosses than recognized city palaces. 677 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,830 "Reason is that even the bare-footed population 678 00:53:58,860 --> 00:54:33,360 recognize band names when they hear 'em." 679 00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:44,310 [Smiles Playing] 680 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,970 ♪♪ There are smiles ♪♪ 681 00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:47,740 ♪♪ silly ol' smiles ♪♪ 682 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,810 ♪♪ that make us happy ♪♪ 683 00:54:49,950 --> 00:54:50,950 ♪♪ happy all day ♪♪ 684 00:54:51,180 --> 00:54:52,680 Collier: When we talk about swing, 685 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,880 the swing bands, it's a little dicey 686 00:54:56,020 --> 00:54:57,590 as to whether we're going to call this jazz or not. 687 00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:59,550 ♪♪ There are smiles ♪♪ 688 00:54:59,790 --> 00:55:04,190 ♪♪ that steal away the teardrops ♪♪ 689 00:55:04,330 --> 00:55:06,190 Because a great deal of that music really was 690 00:55:06,330 --> 00:55:10,430 pretty commercial stuff. 691 00:55:10,570 --> 00:55:12,600 The kids out there, most of them, like any kids, 692 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,800 were interested in popular music because that was the hip thing, 693 00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:17,640 you had to know the names of the bands. 694 00:55:17,770 --> 00:55:19,370 ♪♪ But the smiles ♪♪ 695 00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:22,910 ♪♪ that filled my life with sunshine ♪♪ 696 00:55:23,050 --> 00:55:24,350 ♪♪ yes, yes ♪♪ 697 00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:25,950 ♪♪ are the smiles ♪♪ 698 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:34,290 ♪♪ that you give to me ♪♪ 699 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,590 That's swing music if I ever heard it. 700 00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:43,130 [Cherokee Playing] 701 00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:45,200 Narrator: Adults loved swing music, 702 00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:55,340 but it was teenagers who made it a national craze. 703 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,110 Trumpet sales doubled, 704 00:55:58,250 --> 00:56:00,280 and sales of clarinets, 705 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:05,790 Artie Shaw's and Benny Goodman's instrument, tripled. 706 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,620 There was an unofficial swing "uniform." 707 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,290 Boys dressed in sport jackets and slacks, 708 00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:14,600 like the ones their heroes wore on the bandstand. 709 00:56:14,730 --> 00:56:18,230 Girls favored Bobby socks and saddle shoes, 710 00:56:18,270 --> 00:56:23,150 and pleated skirts that flared when they got onto the dance floor. 711 00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:32,360 Narrator: Every important bandleader had a fan club. 712 00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:36,430 Young women showered the best-looking players with letters... 713 00:56:36,670 --> 00:56:41,100 And telephone numbers. 714 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:48,280 Artie Shaw once dismissed jitterbugs and ickies alike as "morons." 715 00:56:50,010 --> 00:56:53,980 Whose appearance at the Paramount had pulled them out of their seats, 716 00:56:54,120 --> 00:57:01,220 confessed he was sometimes frightened by their enthusiasm. 717 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,790 Giddins: To be a band leader at that time was to be, I suppose you could say, 718 00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:07,830 like a rock musician more recently. 719 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,100 They were courted by the whole culture. 720 00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:11,800 These were the new celebrities. 721 00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:14,000 And it was something new in the music. 722 00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:16,000 It was something new in American popular culture, 723 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,810 and it lasted for almost 10 years. 724 00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:22,740 [Grand terrace shuffle Playing] 725 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,580 Narrator: But swing had its critics. 726 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:30,850 The sweet bandleader blue barron denounced it as "nothing but orchestrated sex.... 727 00:57:30,990 --> 00:57:35,420 A phallic symbol set to sound..." 728 00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:41,530 And Dr. A.A. Brill, a noted psychiatrist, was even more concerned. 729 00:57:41,770 --> 00:57:48,800 Swing music represents our regression to the primitive Tom-Tom-Tom, 730 00:57:48,940 --> 00:57:53,670 a rhythmic sound that pleases savages and children alike. 731 00:57:53,910 --> 00:58:00,520 It acts as a narcotic and makes them forget reality. 732 00:58:00,750 --> 00:58:05,320 They forget the depression, the loss of their jobs. 733 00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:12,030 It is like taking a drug. 734 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,600 Gordon: My parents, anyway, didn't really understand anything about music. 735 00:58:16,730 --> 00:58:18,270 Why am I listening to Duke Ellington? 736 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,270 Why am I listening to Louis Armstrong? 737 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,940 And they're out of it completely. 738 00:58:21,970 --> 00:58:23,840 They don't even why I'm into it. 739 00:58:23,970 --> 00:58:27,080 I loved it, that's all I know and that's all I cared about. 740 00:58:27,110 --> 00:58:29,410 There was that sense that we were rebels. 741 00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:32,710 We were doing something that our grown-ups didn't know about 742 00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:34,880 and probably didn't like very well. 743 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,350 And the jitterbugging, of course, is very much a part of it, 744 00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:41,190 that, that dancing, because it was strenuous, 745 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,690 and the girls were out there with their little short skirts and their Bobby socks. 746 00:58:45,930 --> 00:58:50,000 As they twirled around, those skirts would rise up a little bit like that. 747 00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:52,530 Nothing like what we have today, mind you. 748 00:59:06,780 --> 00:59:09,880 [Body and soul Playing] 749 00:59:10,020 --> 00:59:12,720 Man: I'm at my freshman year, gonzaga university. 750 00:59:12,860 --> 00:59:15,220 I'm in the gymnasium one day. 751 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,220 And I'm sitting at the piano. 752 00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:19,360 And I'm playing. 753 00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:21,800 And this guy comes in and listened... 754 00:59:21,930 --> 00:59:24,670 With his arm on the top of the piano. 755 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,870 And he's listening to me, and he's looking at me, and he's kinda grinning. 756 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,840 So I finally stopped and I said, "well, how do you like it?" 757 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,310 Or something like that. 758 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,410 And he said, "I like your touch, you got a nice touch. 759 00:59:39,550 --> 00:59:42,950 "But you're not playing the right style. 760 00:59:42,990 --> 00:59:45,650 You're not playing the right way to play." 761 00:59:45,790 --> 00:59:48,890 He takes me downstairs, and he sets me down in this room, 762 00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:51,790 and he puts this Teddy Wilson on record on with Benny Goodman. 763 00:59:51,930 --> 00:59:54,900 And I had never heard this kind of music before in my life. 764 00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:56,560 Never heard any jazz. 765 00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:58,570 I hadn't even heard Louis Armstrong. 766 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,330 I hadn't heard anything. 767 01:00:00,370 --> 01:00:02,800 Just American album of familiar music. 768 01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:07,140 And all of a sudden I'm listening to this guy play the piano. 769 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,640 I say, "holy mackerel, 770 01:00:08,780 --> 01:00:11,610 wait a minute, wait a minute, who is that?" 771 01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:13,310 He said, "that's Teddy Wilson. 772 01:00:13,350 --> 01:00:19,890 And that's the way you should play the piano, ace." 773 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,490 Narrator: One of Benny Goodman's best-loved records 774 01:00:22,530 --> 01:00:25,290 had been Body and soul, 775 01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:31,300 played by a trio he used only at recording dates. 776 01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:34,340 The whole country had heard the record, 777 01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:38,740 but it had never occurred to Goodman to bring the trio on stage 778 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,340 because the piano player, Teddy Wilson, 779 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,150 was a black man. 780 01:00:46,380 --> 01:00:50,250 Wilson was the reserved, urbane son of a librarian 781 01:00:50,290 --> 01:00:55,090 and a professor of English at tuskegee institute. 782 01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:56,490 [Who Playing] 783 01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:59,560 His light touch and seemingly effortless technique 784 01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:02,300 perfectly matched Goodman's own playing. 785 01:01:02,330 --> 01:01:08,370 [I've got a heart full of music Playing] 786 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,270 Giddins: There was never a piano player like Teddy Wilson. 787 01:01:12,510 --> 01:01:15,340 I think one of the things that distinguishes him 788 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,010 from all the piano players who precede him-- 789 01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:19,510 waller, Duke Ellington-- 790 01:01:19,650 --> 01:01:21,620 is they had a very percussive tack. 791 01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:30,290 Teddy Wilson had a light, lyrical tack. 792 01:01:30,430 --> 01:01:32,030 It's an exquisite sound. 793 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:37,300 He makes every key sound like a chime or a bell. 794 01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:53,950 And he's very fast. 795 01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,790 And you realize that no one has ever made the piano sound quite like that. 796 01:01:58,020 --> 01:02:00,450 After two measures you know it can't be anybody else but Teddy Wilson. 797 01:02:00,590 --> 01:02:03,690 [Time on my hands Playing] 798 01:02:03,830 --> 01:02:10,330 Narrator: Goodman had first played with Wilson at a jam session in 1934. 799 01:02:10,570 --> 01:02:13,170 "Teddy and I began to play," he remembered, 800 01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:18,370 "as though we were thinking with the same brain." 801 01:02:18,510 --> 01:02:24,280 Within weeks, Goodman had brought his drummer, gene krupa, and Wilson into the studio 802 01:02:24,510 --> 01:02:27,350 to record together. 803 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,950 But when a concert was scheduled in Chicago 804 01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:35,290 and the promoter, Helen oakley, suggested Wilson be included on the program, 805 01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:39,730 Goodman was reluctant. 806 01:02:39,860 --> 01:02:42,460 Helen oakley dance: I said, "let me bring Teddy in. 807 01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:45,600 That'll be a tremendous attraction." 808 01:02:45,630 --> 01:02:48,170 Benny said, "I'm not such a fool. 809 01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:50,240 "I'm making a hit here, 810 01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:52,570 "and i'm--this is gonna be my career. 811 01:02:52,610 --> 01:02:53,940 "I don't want to wreck everything 812 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,550 "to present a black talent in the middle of everything. 813 01:02:58,580 --> 01:03:00,450 And so I don't like the idea." 814 01:03:00,580 --> 01:03:03,550 Collier: This was the depression, mind you, 815 01:03:03,690 --> 01:03:08,460 and the last thing he wanted to do was to jeopardize this 816 01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:10,790 and throw it all out the window 817 01:03:10,930 --> 01:03:17,930 by taking what seemed to everybody to be a great chance. 818 01:03:18,070 --> 01:03:23,570 Narrator: Helen oakley, who knew how profoundly Goodman had been influenced by black musicians, 819 01:03:23,710 --> 01:03:27,780 and who was eager to show that integration would work on the bandstand, 820 01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:35,020 finally convinced him to take the chance with Wilson. 821 01:03:35,050 --> 01:03:40,290 By that time, black and white musicians were fraternizing and had been for a long time. 822 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,920 They'd go into midnight jam sessions together 823 01:03:43,060 --> 01:03:46,030 and sit until 2:00, 3:00 in the morning 824 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,530 but what Goodman did, 825 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,730 he put Teddy Wilson in show biz. 826 01:03:51,870 --> 01:03:57,040 [Sweet leilani Playing] 827 01:03:57,270 --> 01:04:05,980 Narrator: Goodman never forgot the trio's first appearance in public. 828 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:11,750 "The three of us worked together as if we had been born to play this way," he said. 829 01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:15,860 "The Goodman thing was as solid as a family," Wilson said later. 830 01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:32,270 "We were all there, just like brothers." 831 01:04:32,410 --> 01:04:36,010 Benny Goodman now saw no reason why mere custom and prejudice 832 01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:40,810 should keep him from improving his band by enlisting more great musicians 833 01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:47,660 just because they were black. 834 01:04:47,790 --> 01:04:50,320 In a rundown bar in Los Angeles, 835 01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:52,290 he heard Lionel Hampton, 836 01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:55,730 a master of a new instrument, the vibraphone. 837 01:04:55,860 --> 01:04:58,630 Goodman hired him on the spot 838 01:04:58,870 --> 01:05:01,600 and transformed the trio into a quartet. 839 01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:19,320 [I've got a heart full of music Playing] 840 01:05:19,460 --> 01:05:21,260 Man: They play every night, 841 01:05:21,490 --> 01:05:26,860 and they make music you would not believe. 842 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,360 Not a false note, 843 01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:32,330 one finishing his solo and dropping into background support, 844 01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:33,970 then the other, 845 01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:37,040 all adding inspiration 846 01:05:37,170 --> 01:05:57,060 until they get going too strong to quit. 847 01:05:57,190 --> 01:06:01,360 This is really composition on the spot, 848 01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:03,330 and it is a collective thing, 849 01:06:03,370 --> 01:06:06,130 the most beautiful example of men working together 850 01:06:06,270 --> 01:06:09,440 to be seen in public today. 851 01:06:09,570 --> 01:06:22,480 Otis Ferguson, The new republic. 852 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,320 narrator: Despite the quartet's success, 853 01:06:25,450 --> 01:06:30,160 few other white bandleaders would dare follow Goodman's lead. 854 01:06:30,290 --> 01:06:32,330 The music may have been color-blind, 855 01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:37,930 but the country wasn't. 856 01:06:38,070 --> 01:06:41,040 Lionel Hampton: We had a place where we were sitting 857 01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:45,010 and where the musicians could stop and have a drink. 858 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,870 And a guy came over to Benny and say, 859 01:06:48,010 --> 01:06:53,610 "well, Benny, what you doing with those niggers in the band?" 860 01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:56,880 And Benny say, "if you say that again to me, 861 01:06:57,020 --> 01:06:59,520 I'll take the clarinet and bust you across the head with it." 862 01:06:59,660 --> 01:07:09,460 [On the alamo Playing] 863 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,130 Marsalis: Well, jazz definitely is about the possibilities of our-- 864 01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:14,870 inherent in our system, 865 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,570 because when a band plays, they're dealing with a negotiation. 866 01:07:19,810 --> 01:07:22,240 The thing about jazz is it's a healing, 867 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,750 but not by running. 868 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,420 It's the type of healing of the engagement. 869 01:07:29,550 --> 01:07:30,650 It's like, well, 870 01:07:30,790 --> 01:07:33,490 uh, we have a-- we have a problem. 871 01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,060 But we're going to heal it with some soul. 872 01:07:36,290 --> 01:07:39,260 But in order for us to heal it, we have to deal with it. 873 01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:41,030 And we can't run from it. 874 01:07:41,060 --> 01:08:14,730 And the more we run from it, the more we run into it. 875 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,830 Narrator: In 1935, 876 01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:20,330 Duke Ellington asked a mostly unknown 19-year-old singer 877 01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:40,220 to appear in a short film called "symphony in black." 878 01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:44,930 ♪♪ Saddest tale on land or sea ♪ 879 01:08:45,060 --> 01:08:50,300 ♪♪ was when my man walked out on me ♪♪ 880 01:08:50,530 --> 01:08:53,730 Narrator: Her name was Billie Holiday 881 01:08:53,970 --> 01:08:57,600 and she had already been living the kind of hard life 882 01:08:57,740 --> 01:08:59,540 she portrayed in the film. 883 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:05,550 ♪♪ My man's gone, I feels alone ♪♪ 884 01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:11,350 ♪♪ I've got those lost my man blues ♪♪ 885 01:09:11,490 --> 01:09:14,290 ♪♪ he didn't treat me fair ♪♪ 886 01:09:14,420 --> 01:09:17,220 ♪♪ it's more than I can bear ♪♪ 887 01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:22,830 ♪♪ I've got those lost my man blues ♪♪ 888 01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:26,070 ♪♪ I've got those lost my man ♪♪ 889 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:34,840 ♪♪ can't get him back again blues ♪♪ 890 01:09:34,980 --> 01:09:38,340 Narrator: She had been born eleanora fagan in 1915 891 01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:41,180 and was brought up in Baltimore. 892 01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,180 Her parents never married, 893 01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:45,520 and she yearned all of her childhood 894 01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:47,220 for her mostly absent father, 895 01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,190 Clarence holiday, 896 01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:54,260 a guitarist who once played with Fletcher Henderson. 897 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:59,300 Her father's flashy example helped lure her into the music business, 898 01:09:59,340 --> 01:10:03,370 but his hustling ways were mirrored in many of the predatory men 899 01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:10,380 to whom she would be attracted all her life. 900 01:10:10,510 --> 01:10:13,010 She was molested and abused as a child, 901 01:10:13,150 --> 01:10:14,980 and by the age of 12, 902 01:10:15,020 --> 01:10:19,020 she was working as a prostitute in a waterfront whorehouse. 903 01:10:19,150 --> 01:10:21,090 She earned extra money 904 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,790 singing along with the victrola in the parlor-- 905 01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:27,030 the music of Louis Armstrong and bessie Smith. 906 01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:33,230 [Sobbin' hearted blues Playing] 907 01:10:33,370 --> 01:10:35,670 At 13, she was in New York, 908 01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:38,410 singing for tips at rent parties 909 01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:40,010 and small Harlem clubs, 910 01:10:40,140 --> 01:10:41,910 singing for fun at jam sessions, 911 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:46,250 and eventually renaming herself Billie Holiday, 912 01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:52,250 after her absent father. 913 01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:54,250 One evening in 1933, 914 01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:57,360 she was singing in a club called monette's 915 01:10:57,490 --> 01:11:05,700 when the jazz critic and promoter John Hammond happened to drop by. 916 01:11:05,730 --> 01:11:08,600 He was dazzled by the way she looked... 917 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,140 And by the way she sang. 918 01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:16,280 [A fine romance Playing] 919 01:11:16,410 --> 01:11:20,780 ♪♪ A fine romance ♪♪ 920 01:11:21,020 --> 01:11:24,790 ♪♪ with no kisses ♪♪ 921 01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,620 ♪♪ a fine romance ♪♪ 922 01:11:28,860 --> 01:11:31,390 ♪♪ my friend, this is ♪♪ 923 01:11:31,530 --> 01:11:34,090 Narrator: Although she had a tiny vocal range-- 924 01:11:34,230 --> 01:11:36,300 just over an octave-- 925 01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:39,730 holiday was able to make each song her own, 926 01:11:39,870 --> 01:11:50,810 in part by singing just behind the beat. 927 01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:55,920 She phrased the melodies in the manner of jazz instrumentalists... 928 01:11:56,050 --> 01:11:58,750 And considered herself a musician 929 01:11:58,890 --> 01:12:02,860 before she was a singer. 930 01:12:02,990 --> 01:12:08,700 ♪♪ I might as well play bridge with my old maid aunt ♪♪ 931 01:12:08,830 --> 01:12:12,200 ♪♪ I haven't got a chance ♪♪ 932 01:12:12,330 --> 01:12:19,440 ♪♪ this is a fine romance ♪♪ 933 01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:22,710 Narrator: Hammond eventually arranged for a series of recording sessions 934 01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,910 led by Teddy Wilson. 935 01:12:26,150 --> 01:12:32,390 Benny Goodman sometimes sat in, too. 936 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,290 ♪♪ A fine romance ♪♪ 937 01:12:36,530 --> 01:12:40,330 ♪♪ my good fellow ♪♪ 938 01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,900 ♪♪ you take romance ♪♪ 939 01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:47,130 ♪♪ I'll take jell-o ♪♪ 940 01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:49,300 ♪♪ you're calmer than... ♪♪ 941 01:12:49,540 --> 01:12:52,740 Woman: Billie had that strange scratch. 942 01:12:52,980 --> 01:13:00,550 She had that astonishing timing ahead of notes, behind notes. 943 01:13:00,780 --> 01:13:03,350 When you listen to the early records, 944 01:13:03,490 --> 01:13:09,760 the blues feeling, which always suggests a certain melancholy, 945 01:13:09,890 --> 01:13:17,360 let's say, you know, it suggests that life is going to play some, some hard trick along the way, 946 01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:21,700 it is perfectly balanced by this kind of insouciance. 947 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,070 She's terribly witty. 948 01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:25,610 Listen to her sing A fine romance 949 01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:31,450 she's practically ebullient when she sounds in those early things like a horn, 950 01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:33,880 she's having the time of her life. 951 01:13:34,020 --> 01:13:40,290 ♪♪ I've never mussed the crease in your blue serge pants ♪♪ 952 01:13:40,420 --> 01:13:44,320 ♪♪ I never get no chance ♪♪ 953 01:13:44,460 --> 01:13:53,000 ♪♪ this is a fine romance ♪♪ 954 01:13:53,130 --> 01:13:56,740 Narrator: Holiday was fiercely independent. 955 01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:59,840 A woman who had known her since childhood said, 956 01:13:59,980 --> 01:14:02,980 "she was just don't care-ish." 957 01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:04,880 [Pennies from heaven Playing] 958 01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:08,350 Billie Holiday would remain don't care-ish all her life, 959 01:14:08,380 --> 01:14:11,850 cursing, drinking, brawling, 960 01:14:11,890 --> 01:14:14,350 pursuing partners of both sexes, 961 01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:17,120 leading a life so close to the edge 962 01:14:17,260 --> 01:14:22,400 that it was a wonder to her friends that she managed to survive. 963 01:14:22,530 --> 01:14:26,530 But out of all of it, she made unforgettable art 964 01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:30,600 and would eventually become the most important female vocalist 965 01:14:30,740 --> 01:14:35,270 in the history of jazz. 966 01:14:35,410 --> 01:14:43,780 ♪♪ Oh, every time it rains, it rains pennies from heaven ♪♪ 967 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,550 Marsalis: When you hear Billie Holiday sing, 968 01:14:46,690 --> 01:14:49,990 you hear the spirit of bessie Smith 969 01:14:50,030 --> 01:14:51,930 and Louis Armstrong 970 01:14:52,060 --> 01:14:54,530 together in a person. 971 01:14:54,660 --> 01:14:58,630 So you have that fire of the blues shouter, 972 01:14:58,670 --> 01:15:02,640 you have the intelligent choice of notes like a great jazz musician, like Louis Armstrong. 973 01:15:02,770 --> 01:15:07,540 Holiday: ♪♪ be sure that your umbrella ♪♪ 974 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:12,810 ♪♪ is upside down ♪♪ 975 01:15:13,050 --> 01:15:14,550 Marsalis: But you have a-- with her, 976 01:15:14,780 --> 01:15:21,320 a very profound sensitivity to the human condition. 977 01:15:21,460 --> 01:15:27,260 She tells you something about the pain of the blues, 978 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,730 of life... 979 01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:35,270 But inside of that pain is a toughness, 980 01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,770 and that's what you're attracted to. 981 01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:41,540 ♪♪ There'll be pennies from heaven ♪♪ 982 01:15:41,780 --> 01:16:01,460 ♪♪ for you and me ♪♪ 983 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:10,000 [Stompin' at the savoy Playing] 984 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,670 Man: Do you remember what it was like? 985 01:16:12,710 --> 01:16:14,340 Maybe you do. 986 01:16:14,380 --> 01:16:16,110 Maybe you were there. 987 01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,550 Maybe you were there in New York 988 01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,950 2/3 of the way through the 1930s 989 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,120 when there were so many great bands playing. 990 01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:27,650 You could go to the Manhattan room of the hotel Pennsylvania, 991 01:16:27,890 --> 01:16:30,690 where Benny Goodman was playing with his great band, 992 01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:32,960 complete with gene krupa. 993 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,060 Maybe you'd rather go to some other hotel room, 994 01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:38,460 like the palm room of the commodore 995 01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,840 for red norvo and Mildred Bailey and their soft, subtle swing, 996 01:16:42,970 --> 01:16:47,570 or to the grill room of the Lexington for Bob Crosby and his dixieland Bob cats. 997 01:16:47,710 --> 01:16:51,910 And then there were the ballrooms: 998 01:16:52,050 --> 01:16:54,450 The roseland with Woody Herman 999 01:16:54,580 --> 01:16:58,250 and the savoy with chick webb. 1000 01:16:58,390 --> 01:17:02,220 George t. Simon, Metronome. 1001 01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,890 narrator: The savoy ballroom, at 140th street and lenox Avenue, 1002 01:17:06,130 --> 01:17:10,730 was still Harlem's hottest spot. 1003 01:17:10,770 --> 01:17:12,330 And chick webb, 1004 01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:16,000 who had been one of the first bandleaders to play swing, 1005 01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,540 was still in charge. 1006 01:17:18,570 --> 01:17:20,610 Giddins: Chick webb is a-- a phenomenon. 1007 01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,910 There's never been anyone like him, never will be again. 1008 01:17:24,050 --> 01:17:25,650 He was a hunchback dwarf, 1009 01:17:25,780 --> 01:17:29,250 suffered from a spinal disfigurement from his childhood. 1010 01:17:29,490 --> 01:17:30,850 An absolutely brilliant drummer. 1011 01:17:30,990 --> 01:17:33,250 [Harlem congo Playing] 1012 01:17:33,490 --> 01:17:37,090 Here's this little guy sitting behind a full-size drum set 1013 01:17:37,230 --> 01:17:40,630 and yet they had to nail it down to the stage 1014 01:17:40,660 --> 01:17:43,030 because the force of his foot pedal 1015 01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,630 would have kicked the bass drum right off. 1016 01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:51,270 [Drum solo] 1017 01:17:51,410 --> 01:17:56,540 Man: Chick webb was my first hero that I ever saw. 1018 01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,150 And I walked in, my old man took me there-- 1019 01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,810 I was...Must have been 12 years old, to the theater-- 1020 01:18:02,050 --> 01:18:03,920 and I'm looking for a real, like a drummer 1021 01:18:04,050 --> 01:18:05,820 and all I see is a gigantic bass drum 1022 01:18:05,950 --> 01:18:08,320 with a head sticking over the top of it 1023 01:18:08,460 --> 01:18:10,320 and these two-- two arms flailing around, 1024 01:18:10,460 --> 01:18:13,460 playing the greatest stuff I ever heard in my life. 1025 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:17,660 [Drum solo] 1026 01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:22,300 Narrator: On may 11, 1937, 1027 01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:25,240 Benny Goodman ventured uptown to challenge webb 1028 01:18:25,470 --> 01:18:30,680 in what was billed as the "music battle of the century." 1029 01:18:30,810 --> 01:18:33,580 "Fellas, this is my hour," webb told his men, 1030 01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:42,920 "anybody misses notes-- don't come back to work!" 1031 01:18:43,060 --> 01:18:45,860 4,000 fans jammed into the ballroom, 1032 01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:49,100 and mounted policemen and firemen had to be called 1033 01:18:49,230 --> 01:18:51,330 to control the crowd of 5,000 more 1034 01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:54,970 who couldn't get in and refused to go home. 1035 01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:57,240 Among those who did get in 1036 01:18:57,370 --> 01:19:00,310 were Norma Miller and Frankie Manning, 1037 01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:01,980 professional Lindy hoppers now, 1038 01:19:02,110 --> 01:19:08,320 who had been taking on all comers in dance contests around the world. 1039 01:19:08,350 --> 01:19:10,650 They had come home to the savoy 1040 01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:14,920 to see their hero face his most celebrated challenger. 1041 01:19:15,060 --> 01:19:21,630 [Don't be that way Playing] 1042 01:19:21,860 --> 01:19:25,400 The night that Benny Goodman came to play against chick webb... 1043 01:19:25,530 --> 01:19:26,770 Woman: 1938. 1044 01:19:26,900 --> 01:19:28,300 This was an electrical night, 1045 01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:31,100 this was, I mean, with the, the air 1046 01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:32,970 of being around the savoy ballroom. 1047 01:19:33,210 --> 01:19:36,080 Here's Benny Goodman, the king of swing, and here's-- 1048 01:19:36,110 --> 01:19:38,040 chick webb, the king of swing. 1049 01:19:38,180 --> 01:19:39,480 The king of swing. 1050 01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:41,110 You know, as far as we are concerned, 1051 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,350 there's chick webb going up against Benny Goodman. 1052 01:19:45,490 --> 01:19:49,590 [Don't be that way Playing, Benny Goodman] 1053 01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,460 Manning: You know, Goodman was a giant 1054 01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:54,490 because they called him "the king of swing" at that time. 1055 01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:56,360 And any band that played swing, 1056 01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,330 we would buy their records. 1057 01:19:58,470 --> 01:20:00,700 So we we knew-- we knew about Benny Goodman. 1058 01:20:00,940 --> 01:20:03,000 A lot of people may not realize 1059 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:07,010 that a lot of the arrangements that Benny Goodman had, 1060 01:20:07,140 --> 01:20:08,940 chick webb had the same arrangements. 1061 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:13,650 [Don't be that way Playing, chick webb] 1062 01:20:13,780 --> 01:20:16,420 Manning: And when they get on a bandstand, 1063 01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:20,520 now this is when you can know which band is the best, 1064 01:20:20,660 --> 01:20:24,220 by listening to them play the same arrangement. 1065 01:20:24,260 --> 01:21:06,430 [Don't be that way Playing, chick webb] 1066 01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:07,800 Manning: To me, 1067 01:21:07,940 --> 01:21:10,040 chick webb outswung Benny Goodman that night. 1068 01:21:10,170 --> 01:21:12,610 Miller: I say the same thing, yeah. 1069 01:21:12,740 --> 01:21:13,910 That was my feeling. 1070 01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:15,440 I'm not saying this because-- 1071 01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:16,910 not being prejudiced. 1072 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,350 Yeah, because it's chick webb 1073 01:21:18,580 --> 01:21:20,010 or because I'm being prejudiced. 1074 01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:24,280 But to me, I feel that chick webb outswung Benny Goodman 1075 01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:26,390 that night, you know, 1076 01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,420 because I saw guys on Benny Goodman's band-- bandstand 1077 01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,060 when chick webb was playing... 1078 01:21:31,090 --> 01:21:34,760 I seen guys on there, they'd stand up there and say... 1079 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,500 They just shook their heads. 1080 01:21:38,630 --> 01:21:41,330 Narrator: The Goodman band was routed. 1081 01:21:41,470 --> 01:21:45,470 Gene krupa bowed down in tribute to the man who had beaten him: 1082 01:21:45,610 --> 01:21:51,010 Chick webb, he said, had "cut me to ribbons." 1083 01:21:51,050 --> 01:21:53,750 "Nobody," one of webb's men remembered, 1084 01:21:53,880 --> 01:22:03,720 "could have taken it away from chick that night." 1085 01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:17,270 [These foolish things remind me Of you Playing] 1086 01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:20,370 Narrator: Despite its overwhelming popularity, 1087 01:22:20,410 --> 01:22:23,710 swing music had not captured the heart of every musician-- 1088 01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:26,380 or every jazz fan. 1089 01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:31,150 Some found big bands too stiff, too regimented. 1090 01:22:31,390 --> 01:22:35,890 John Hammond, who had helped build the Benny Goodman band, 1091 01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:39,530 now charged that swing had become too commercial, 1092 01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,230 that it stifled freedom and self-expression, 1093 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:48,200 took jazz in the wrong direction. 1094 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,900 Giddins: There was a pressure on even the best of the jazz band leaders. 1095 01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,640 Not all of them fell to that pressure, 1096 01:22:53,780 --> 01:22:56,280 but Benny Goodman on a typical recording session 1097 01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:58,480 would make two great jazz instrumentals 1098 01:22:58,610 --> 01:23:00,950 and then two pop vocals at the same session. 1099 01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,520 So there was always this-- this pressure to be commercial, 1100 01:23:04,650 --> 01:23:07,250 to reach the popular audience, 1101 01:23:07,390 --> 01:23:10,060 to break the Glen Miller barrier, as it were. 1102 01:23:10,290 --> 01:23:14,330 Man: ♪♪ drifting through the sky ♪♪ 1103 01:23:14,460 --> 01:23:18,760 ♪♪ while I wonder why my love ♪♪ 1104 01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:25,370 ♪♪ ever said good-bye ♪♪ 1105 01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:28,710 Narrator: One snowy night in 1936, 1106 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:33,110 John Hammond grew tired of listening to Benny Goodman perform his familiar hits 1107 01:23:33,250 --> 01:23:34,950 at the congress hotel in Chicago. 1108 01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,850 Hammond went outside, 1109 01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:40,220 got into his car, and turned on the radio, 1110 01:23:40,260 --> 01:23:43,890 hoping to hear something new, something different, 1111 01:23:44,030 --> 01:23:48,390 something less predictable. 1112 01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:50,660 He came across an experimental station 1113 01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:54,300 broadcasting live from Kansas City. 1114 01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:56,700 Hammond: It was 1:00 in the morning. 1115 01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,370 The nightly broadcast by the count basie band 1116 01:23:59,410 --> 01:24:01,370 from the Reno club was just beginning. 1117 01:24:01,610 --> 01:24:05,240 [Jumpin' at the woodside Playing] 1118 01:24:05,380 --> 01:24:21,260 Hammond: I couldn't believe my ears. 1119 01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,360 Narrator: John Hammond now had a new mission: 1120 01:24:24,500 --> 01:24:28,270 To bring count basie and the sound of Kansas City 1121 01:24:28,500 --> 01:28:38,164 to the rest of the country. 90214

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