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The following programme contains distressing scenes.

It's now almost a quarter of a century

since Sophie Toscan du Plantier was murdered in Toormore in West Cork.

Ian Bailey, the chief suspect, was never charged.

The Director of Public Prosecutions

prevented the police from charging him due to insufficient evidence.

In response, in 2007 the French launched their own campaign

against Ian Bailey.

They attempted to extradite him

under a European arrest warrant but that failed.

Now a case in absentia commences against him in Paris...

..while he remains down in West Cork.

That's called a Martello tower.

They were built by the British

in fear of the French arriving in Ireland,

bringing the Napoleoniccode.

Ian Bailey will be tried under that code...

..which Napoleon himself declared as his biggest achievement.

In Ireland, we wish the French had brought their code

born of revolution because we were suffering under the penal laws

which were essentially apartheid laws,

not against race but against religion.

So it's not the first time that we heard about the Napoleonic code.

It's a very, very interesting conflict of cultures.

The Bailey case has led to a clash of two legal systems.

Me personally, I would prefer that there was one legal system

throughout Europe that we could all adhere to.

But that's not the case. And this conflict is gonna show

the weaknesses and strengths of both systems.

Ian Bailey has repeatedly denied any involvement

in the killing of Ms Toscan du Plantier

or ever having confessed his guilt. He's being tried in absentia.

He's not being represented by a legal team at the trial and there's no jury.

The case will instead be decided by three magistrates.

They're...

trapped in the position where they can't grieve,

where they're not allowed to let Sophie go.

I suppose, like, talking to them, there was the horror

of the kind of continual nightmare of the way she died,

very brutally.

There's just so many elements of it that lead, like,

to a society that needs to examine itself.

It goes to the police,

it goes to the forensics in Ireland.

It goes to the heart of a system

that didn't have enough empathy for the family when she died.

Pierre-Louis Baudey-Vignaud arriving at the criminal court of Paris

where the man accused of murdering his mother

has gone on trial in absentia.

I just want justice to be done.

This trial is not only the trial of my mother's death.

It's the trial of the truth because we all need it.

We all need it for peace again.

Renowned journalist and writer, Nick Foster, is attending court with me.

I was aware he was writing a book on the case

and he has better French than I do

and I wanted to understand all the small details.

The whole case against Bailey,

the whole charge sheet, an hour and a half, was read out as a monologue.

So, at the moment, they've had a kind of overview

of 50 or 60 statements

and they've gone through those.

There was no cross-examination, so it never really came to life.

But they're saying they want Ian Bailey to be here.

They want him to be tried in this building and they want a resolution.

Of course he can read the newspapers and switch on TV,

but they want him here. They want him here.

He's either innocent or he's not.

But he's going to be feeling the pressure either way.

Oi, you fuckers!

-Oi, you fuckers! -It's all right, I'm -round here. -Hello?

-Hello?! -Hello?

The fucking chickens are -in the side greenhouse. -Oh, Christ.

-Causing mayhem. -Oh...

Sorry. They're not too bad, are they?

Well, you know, I don't need any extra little tiny stressful things.

I do not need them. --Out. -I don't need them. -Out.

'I'm gonna be thrown to a bonfire.

They're building a gallows, resurrecting a guillotine in Paris.

There'll be an absolute feeding frenzyover me being convicted.'

Oh. Good evening.

-Ian, good evening. -Good evening.

Hello. This is Nick here, how are -you? -I'm OK, I'm 'go maith'.

I'm gonna tell you what happened today.

It's been a long day. We've only just...

we've only just had a chance to step -out. -Mm-hm.

They said how Sophie Toscan -du Plantier was murdered. -Yep.

They said you bashed her head in.

They said I bashed her head in? With a cavity block.

They went through the whole thing there.

So they say there were 40 to 50 blows...

and um...and that's why your hands

were scratched by the brambles.

We heard a bit about Sophie and her marriage.

She wasn't too happy, either in her -first marriage or her second. -Yeah.

And um...

Yeah, and I think that um... It was poignant. It was very poignant.

When we saw the photos of the crime scene with the body...

I mean, it was sad, but you know what, it made me angry too

because up to now, somebody's got away with this. Up to now.

The mother was wheeled in in a wheelchair.

The father was there in a beautiful suit

listening to every word.

And it must be so difficult for them.

It must be heartbreaking for them. It must be harrowing for them.

And they were so dignified - as was Sophie's son, Pierre-Louis.

This is the culmination of a big effort.

A massive...emotional effort and investment.

And you feel for them. You can't but feel for them.

The family have spent 22 years waiting for justice for Sophie.

But I wonder, can this trial deliver it?

Today we heard major plot points in the investigation

and as Ian Bailey had no defence team there,

they all went uncontested.

They spoke a lot -about Marie Farrell today. -Right.

They're placing you at Kealfadda bridge

on the night of the murder.

And that was according to her first phone call to the police.

Uh-huh.

Statement of Marie Farrell, 14th February 1997.

When we were approaching Sylvie O'Connell's shop,

I could see a man walking on the road.

This man had a black coat which was down below his knees.

I now know this man to be Ian Bailey.

Absolute total fucking bollocks, but never mind.

'Marie Farrell told the two solicitors

all her statements implicating me were false

and she was persuaded to make them because the Guards said,

"Oh, Ian Bailey, he is the murderer."

And this is all on record.'

Oh.

Mm.

You would think either you take the last statement

or you take nothing, you know?

In fact, Marie Farrell offered to come to France

to say that she recanted those statements.

But the French prosecution team rejected her offer

or they would only take her early statements at face value,

implicating Ian Bailey

and saying that she saw him at Kealfadda bridge

on the night of the murder.

The contradictions in Marie Farrell's statements have been ignored...

but the changing statements of Ian and Jules

are the stepping stones on which the court is building a case against him.

His movements on the night of Sophie's murder

are now under scrutiny.

They were talking about a lot of stuff

but the question is your whole thing of that night -

that you left the house and your alibi doesn't hold up.

And in your first statement, you stayed in bed all night.

It raises questions, you know?

We have to go back, Ian.

You should talk to Colm there about the alibi.

As he didn't turn up and we're giving him the opportunity

to respond to what's happening in the trial,

I think that's the only time he's put under any pressure

to give any answer to what they're saying in the trial.

So at least we have a record of it.

I'm being asked about the alibi and the thing is this.

I was over-truthful and frank with the Guards...

..and...

Sorry, you'll have to... Cos this is going back

into memory-bank dredge time. Shall we...

It's actually the alibi from the night itself.

Just what was it -Well, the thing is,it isn't an alibi

because an alibi is something that can be stood up.

And... So...

Actually, can we cut for now

and...have a...

a-a-a comfort break

-and we'll go back to that? -Yeah. If that's OK?

Oh.

Right, um, this is gonna be pretty fucking visceral.

This is gonna be visceral.

As Ian Bailey faces criminal proceedings...

We'll go back to that...for the murder of Sophie Toscandu Plantier,

his solicitor tells us why he believes this caseshould matter to all of us.

Welcome to Claire Byrne Live.

Cut! You can cut. Now that's our time.

Er, no, a pre...a pre-recording.

'You asked me about alibi.'

An alibi is a phrase, a Latin phrase,

which means you have...

..plausible, provable excuse.

I... Technically, I'm a lawyer. I know I have no alibi

because I left her, she was snoring.

I went down the road

and I wrote the thing on the typewriter.

Came back up in the morning

and I made you a cup of coffee.

You did.

And...

Actually, I don't wanna do this now.

Let's do it tomorrow because it's...

-You forget the sequence. -Yeah.

Hello, hun. Can I get you anything?

-What? -I said "Hello, hun, can I get you anything?

-Like... No. -No?

Would you like a stroke on the knee?

A cuddle or a hug?

A loving hug?

I could give you...

You're exhausted. Could I give you a loving hug?

All right.

His solicitor, Frank Buttimer, spoke to mebefore we came on air.

I asked him why Ian Bailey is not attending or mounting a defence.

It's simply because, Claire, he doesn't recognise the validity or justness

of what's going on in France. Our criminal justice system

has determined over a long period of time

that he cannot and will not be placed on trial

in this jurisdiction in relation to the evidence gathered.

In the meantime, the exact same evidence, nothing new or different.

The French, though they have criticised the police gathering

of that evidence themselves, think that it is good evidence

upon which to put him on trial in THEIR system.

The basic idea here is the lack of respectthat is being shown

by the French to the Irish criminal justice system.

I have to say, regrettably, aided and abetted

by the Department of Justice

by their provision to the French of what is called 'mutual assistance'.

Ian Bailey we know hasn't been able to leave

this jurisdiction for about nine years now.

How is he dealing with this this week?

He's devastated and he has been devastated leading up to it.

He has known that this thing is pending in France.

It's outside of his control.

His life has been destroyed. He has always protested his innocence.

His position has been vindicated by our DPP

and it is just a grotesque state of affairs -

And you, Frank Buttimer, are convinced of his innocence?

-Absolutely. -That case is ongoing and you'll hear more about it

on RTE News throughout the week. Now, an overwhelming...

Off television. Off television.

Off television. Off.

Instant reaction.

I'm calm in the eye of the hurricane.

I'm calm in the eye of the hurricane.

Um... Yeah.

Any questions?

I thought Frank looked very tired.

He's got the grey under his eyes.

Fuck sake.

I mean, that man... All of us...

I mean, her...

It's a form of torture.

But you've stayed strong.

For 22 years.22 years.

I'm not gonna let them destroy me,

but I must say that my sleep is destroyed.

My rest is... My peace within...

Tranquillity...is destroyed. Yeah. -Serenity. -Yeah.

If you haven't done anything, it just makes you stronger in a way.

-It's strange. -Mm.

It's like feeding the flame of resilience,

-being accused of something. -Mm.

May the truth... And the prayer is,

may the truth emerge. May the truth emerge.

A second day of evidence for the family of Sophie Toscan du Plantier.

The court also heard from Agnes Thomas

who'd been the victim's best friend.

She said Sophie had told her that a man in Irelandhad contacted her in Paris

in the weeks before she was killed.

She said he'd described himself as a poet

and he wanted to talk to Sophie about cultural projects.

Ms Thomas said she thought her friend might have been planning

to meet this man when she was in Cork.

It was a piece of emotionally-charged evidence,

not backed up by phone records at all.

But it was emotionally-charged and I think it had an impacton the panel of judges.

This was evidence that wasn't given immediately,

so the lady in question said that after the killing

she felt so bad that she didn't go with Sophie on that final trip...

..that she had a kind of blackout.

So she forgot a lot of details of what had happened just before

but they came back later.

Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course they would.

-Yeah. -Ian, is... Ian, is there any chanceyou made that call?

No! Absolutely not. Not a...not at all.

No, it's a complete and absolute piece of...

If the implication, and it clearly is, that it was me, as I said,

that's a load of fuckin' bollocks. Don't forget,

the only knowledge I have was that Alf Lyons

pointed out the fact that he had a French neighbour andshe was over.

There was never any introduction and I didn't know...you know...

Never introduced. So, no, that's -absolute nonsense. -OK.

It's hard to conduct a criminal trial from afar.

They read out a list of the Irish witnesses they tried to contact

and each time, it came back 'not known at this address',

'did not reply',

'absent', 'deceased'.

And even the Guards, who sent Bailey's file over here to the French,

haven't bothered to turn up, which is an extraordinary situation.

I just can't understand it.

The presiding judge has to read out

the statements made by the Guards back in the day.

And some questions have come up that only the Irish police can answer.

The gate. Now, that had blood marks on it.

We know because we saw the pictures.

But where is that gate? Gone missing.

It would be nice to find out from the Guards

a bit more about the lack of DNA evidence.

It doesn't feel right.

You'd wonder if it might be tricky for the prosecution case.

And then, when the first witness from Ireland arrived in the stand,

that in itself was an unorthodox court appearance.

It seems surprising that we get the mother of a key witness

that's giving evidence on his behalf.

Amanda Reed told the court her then 14-year-old son, Malachi,

had taken a lift home with Mr Bailey on 4th February 1997.

He said he told him he'd gone to the victim's house

and bashed her brains in with a rock.

-Did you say that? -No. And I'll tell you what, that's hearsayevidence.

I did pick him up, I did give him a lift,

and he asked me how things were and I said things were going well

until people started saying that I had gone up the hill

and bashed her brains out. And that's what I said.

That what you said to other people, like Helen Callanan... Yep.

..they say those were confessions.

-Right. -Is there a part of you that wants to be here to say something?

No.

One of the things that's really interesting

is that sarcasm, black humour, is a British upper-class thing

where you're supposed to, by tone, know that the opposite is true

and that really could be his undoing.

Then he said, "I killed her to resurrect my career."

"You saw her in Spar and she turned you on,

walking up the aisle with a tight arse,

so you went up there to see what you could get. You chased her,

stoved something into the back of her headand went further than you meant to."

Ian was turning his car when he said, "I went up with a rock

and bashed her fuckin' brains in."

'Sure, yeah, course I did. I needed a story. This is how it happened.'

The rumour started to be spread around.

Helen Callanan who was news editor of the Sunday Tribune, who were commissioning me,

she told me, "Ian, you know it's being said that you murdered her."

I said something like, "Who's saying this?" She said, "I can't tell you."

I said something like, "Sure, yeah, course I did, I needed a story."

You know. And I think somebody would have to be in a position

where the most outrageous allegation had been made against them, erm,

to know what the position was like.

It was obviously one of the things I regret now and was unwise

but it was my impulsive, shall we...

No, not impulsive cos I'm not impulsive.

It was just my defensive response, if you like.

Could this be the boy who cried wolf?

He keeps putting himself in the frame

and eventually they take him at his word?

I'm looking at these two old people

and they're smaller than me, which is really small...

Yeah...and I can only imagine that their little daughter is smaller than that

and there's a rage in me at who killed Sophie du Plantier.

The only reason I'm interested in it is a rage.

And have you got a rage to find out who did it?

You know, I do the Lord's prayer and I've done the Lord's prayerfor a long time

and the hardest line in the Lord's prayer is to forgivethose who trespass against you.

And I've done that for many years and that means

I don't harbour anger, rage or negativity.

You know, if you want to ask how I've managed to do that

I don't quite know, but I've done it.

Ian, you do...you do have rage.

You've as big a rage as I do, if not -more. -Hang on, hang on a second.

You're explosive. You fuckin' exploded at Jules.

You can't say you don't have rage.

Well, I mean, there was then and now.

You know, I mean, you know now... I don't know.

I'll say something about Bailey. He put himself in the centre of the story

and made it worse for the family.

So if he didn't do it... So, you -

If he didn't do it, he's at least responsible for that.

The mood in court is sombre. First thing was

that the presiding judge

read out a profile of Ian Bailey,

drawn up not with Bailey present, but on the basis of documents.

His diary in part.

Poems.

Statements made by the Guards.

'"Masturbation. Just a little gentle agitation.

Stops a lot of aggravation."

Apparently, they're readingbits and pieces,

scraps and bits of information into the evidence

and no-body's ever seen anything like it.

I've written fuckin' books and books and books - all taken illegally

that certainly, had the case gone ahead in this country,

would have been rendered absolutely inadmissible

and everything that would have been inadmissible here - guess what?

It not only becomes admissible in the French system,

but is actually classed as evidence.

Nobody's there to defend him or to put a different point of view.

They took as a starting point...

..Bailey's attack on Jules Thomas.

"Alcohol can make him violent."

What they wanted to know was,

is this a man capable of a very, very violent act?

They said that Ian Bailey was narcissistic, impulsive,

egotistical and he needs recognition.

He takes pleasure in being the centre of attention and he likes to provoke.

The conclusion was he has a borderline psychological disorder

without being psychotic.

They say you always had your dick in your hand.

That was written in the diary.

Well, yeah, I mean, of course, I write poetry with my dick, you see?

-You know. -Then they basically said that Sophie was the perfect...

You were attracted to her in a mad way, she was the perfect woman

for you to be attracted to

and, erm,

basically you were a pervert.

I knew they were going to beast me today, by the way,

and I knew what they were going to do and... Yeah.

Demonise me, beast me,

make me out to be a pervert, whatever. A sex addict or whatever.

Um... Well, Jim, I mean, I've always been, you know...

I've always been sort of interested in that subject

but I don't think I'm a pervert. I don't think so.

A lot of it was based on the diary.

I think they got it from there. Right.

And, I mean, it's what you wrote, isn't it?

How does that make you feel because it...

Ha! The whole thing is a load of bollocks.

No, I'm not a pervert and, no, I'm not a murderer.

You know, I might be a bit eccentric

and if that's a crime, well, everybody should watch out.

OK, OK.

All right, Ian. Any more?

We'll talk tomorrow, OK?

It looks like by Friday evening, the tectonic plates of my life

will have shifted and I could become a convicted murderer in France

and then I'll become the centre of a fucking big shitstorm

to use that expression.

Today is the day of reckoning.

We've heard the conclusions and now the three magistrates

are in closed chambers making their decision.

For Sophie's family, who have waited for over two decades,

these few hours may be the longest hours they've had to endure.

We can hope - we can hope -

that we have eventually... eventually justice.

I feel...not good.

I feel...

I have, uh...

big emotion for my mother...

..and...

the truth is very important for us.

For her.

It's the morning... Is it Friday 30th May?

The Republic of France versus Ian Bailey.

I probably knew this day was coming for a long, long time.

I was hoping there might have been an intervention.

I was hoping that somebody might have stepped forward just to say,

"Hang on, it isn't that Ian Bailey."

But that's not happened.

Ah, good.

Let's get rid of that rooster.

Imagine this.

'Say they got me. I'm 62.

I'm gonna spend 30 years in a French prison.

And I'm told that they move you around.

You don't stay in one prison, you're constantly being shifted.

So you don't know where you are.

And other people who may want to contact you don't know where you are.

Phwoa! I have to live with the possibility of that.'

Hello. We're making a film of a rooster.

The rooster has become the star of this movie.

Don't know how it happened.

I don't know. It's cos we called him John Wayne.

I don't want... A situation could arise here where if I let him go,

he'd be off and then there will be a thing saying,

"Ian Bailey chases his cock in Bantry Square." We don't want that.

Go on in there! Are you OK?

Oh, no, I've injured him.

Have I injured you? No.

Hello?

Hello?

Right, there he is. He's all yours. No worse for the ordeal.

Ah.

I must say, I'm feeling remarkably normal and calm

for the day that's in it.

I've also been informed by my sources cos I have, erm -

a bit like Michael Collins, I have a network of informants -

that there are people with cameras out in Bantry today

out to try to photograph me.

Good morning. How are you? Good morning. How are you?

Hello, James! Hello, gentlemen.

-How are you? -Fine. And yourself? Oi, stop sniffin' me crotch.

Well, I'm sort of OK in a strange way, you know?

It's D-day for me or something. Or P-day, Paris day or something.

Hello!

Can you give us a couple of euros' worth of small ones?

Erm... I don't know what it's about.

Seems like some sort of feeding frenzy to me

but, don't worry, they won't take you.

Would you be in a 'John Wayne state of mind' over the trial in France?

Yeah, you bet I have been. -Have you? -Yeah.

How does it affect you? Does it affect you...?

Look, where is this goingbecause I'm under strict instruction.

Can I do a few shots of your -head looking into the camera? -Yeah.

And we'll leave you alone. -Is that OK? -Yeah.

OK, that's lovely. Thank you.

'The judgement is very clear.'

With all the elements of proof,

Ian Bailey killed my mother 22 years ago.

'It's a victory for the justice. It's a victory for the truth.'

So...

..we are...we are happy.

We are...

..at peace here. Thank you very much.

It looks like a weight has been lifted

off the French family's shoulders

and now I've got to go and place it on somebody else's

before he hears it on the radio.

Hello. Bailey.

Yeah, oui. -Erm, fire.

It's what you expected. -It was guilty. -Mm-hm.

Er... I think they said 25 years.

Oh, I was... Sorry, I'm disappointed.

I was expecting 40, but never mind.

Yeah. I'll give you to Nick who -took down a lot of the details. -OK.

If you want to hear it - No, I do. No, Jim, no.

Jim, I don't want to hear the detail -now. -You've given me the headlines

and that's good enough for me. Jules is just coming over.

Maybe pull up a chair or...

Just reshuffling. And...

I think if you were able to tell her what, you know...

Do you want a cushion or two? You sure? OK.

Erm, speakerphone.

You. Yeah. Can -

-Hi, Frank. -No, it's...it's... Oh, Jim. Oh, sorry, Jim.

Yes, it's Jim, Jules. How are ya? I'm OK, Jim.

They did a long, long summation

in which basically they accepted Marie Farrell's evidence.

-Huh! -No statement over, kind of, her evidence.

Every statement Ian made as a confession.

We expected that. We did expect that.

It was predictable andwe're not surprised.

-Yeah. -Does that sound a bit strange

that I'm not crying or beating my chest? But...

I think, um... Are we going to tell the world that you'll stand by Ian

and say it's all a load of lies? -Oh, yeah, I would. -Yeah.

-I do. I always have. -Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

-Yeah. -It's um... All right.

What I would like to say is all they've succeeded in doing

is convicting a completely innocent person

of a crime he had nothing to do with.

I'm sorry for their pain. I'm sorry for their suffering.

I'm sorry about all the lies that they've chosen to believe

and I'm sorry for their suffering but the thing is this,

there are no winners in this, only losers -

of a war of twisted words and corrupted statements.

And I'm aware that they chose to believe

the web of engrangements woven by devils.

I'm sorry for them

and, you know, we're tough and there we are.

All right. I did tell you this a long time ago

that I thought, looking forward -I know.

Everything you've said has been realised. Absolutely.

So it's not a surprise - I mean, you know. God.

There are people out there who know,

who know who murdered that woman.

And I can't believe that they can actually live with what's going on.

I can't believe it.

Never gives up, this man. Ah, for fuck sake.

I'm a dead man walking.

French authorities will now seek

Ian Bailey's extradition for a third time.

Today everybody must know and understand

that Ian Bailey is a murderer.

That label is not new one for Bailey but it has new power.

Whatever happens now, Ian Bailey will be considered

the man who killed Sophie Toscan du Plantier.

But was he ever going to shake that title anyway?

How we build stories,

how justice systems build court cases fascinates me.

Without scientific proof, with retracted statements,

with absent witnesses and no interrogation of the facts,

the French have proved him guilty.

Is he capable of murder? Aren't we all?

Is he guilty? I don't know.

I don't think we can say for sure.

Is it possible that Ian Bailey never came here to this retreat

at the side of a lonely hill

under the blinking eye of the Fastnet lighthouse?

Is it possible that he will soon be on a plane

to meet a fate that was never rightfully his?

And if it was not Ian Bailey here that night,

there's no-one out there looking for the man who left no trace.

Come on then. There you go.

Hello.

It's been like waiting for the tsunami wave

that you knew was gonna come.

This morning and yesterday morning, I woke up with anxiety in me.

I'm going to assume that at some point in the future,

probably in the course of the next year possibly, rather thanearlier,

I am going to be handed over to the French.

So it's pretty fucking dark.

On 16th December, Ian Bailey's

third European arrest warrant was endorsed by the Irish courts.

He was arrested. He managed to get bail.

While out on bail, he instructed his solicitor, Frank Buttimer,

to appeal the extradition.

With his fate now looming, for the last eight months

he's been waiting for the extradition appeal to be heard

in the Courts of Criminal Justice by a High Court judge.

Ian Bailey should not be extradited to France

to serve a 25-year prison sentence

for the murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier, the High Court has ruled.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

I'm going to say a brief few words on behalf of Mr Bailey.

The first thing to say is that Mr Baileyis extremely relieved at the decision made today.

The impact on his life of the entire situation

has been extremely challenging for him for the past 24 years.

He always expresses his sadness and his sympathy for the family

of the late Madame Toscan du Plantier,

whilst at the same time always maintaining his innocence

in relation to anything or any connectionwith that dreadful crime.

Mr Bailey intends to return to West Cork

to attempt to get on with the rest of his lifeas best he can,

subject to any other decision that is made

by the state in relation to any appeal entitlement.

Thank you very much. Mr Bailey.

Mr Bailey has decided to reserve his position at this time.

He may comment at a future date. Thank you.

We set out in search of justice and what are we left with?

Broken hearts,

damaged people, damaged communities, unmet grief,

unanswered questions.

It's like a Shakespeare tragedy...

..where there's no winners at the end,

only broken shells of people.

Sophie's family...

..are consumed by anger and sadness.

Can't find their way out.

Their daughter's death unavenged.

A sentence handed out but not endorsed.

They remain convinced that the man who murdered their daughter is free.

And no matter what way you look at it, that's the truth.

And what about Ian Bailey? Innocent or guilty?

He's had a quarter of a century of a life sentence -

on remand in the prairie, unable to leave the country.

How can you be a guilty man in France and a free man in Ireland?

Can somebody explain that to me?

There are two crimes here.

There's the murder and there's the lack of justice.

Is it 24 or 25 years? I've lost track of the years.

It's almost half my life since a false accusation

was made against me which completely changed my life

and what it might have been.

So, I don't know. I've just been really, really flat.

Um... I've got no sort of sense of victory

or, you know, um...

No great sort of sense of relief even.

I just wonder why, uh, I'm...

I think because for so many years,

my life and my job was to fight as best I could.

I guess it's a combination of fear and determination

that sort of held me together.

And...all of a sudden,

I need, um... I need to reinvent myself, I guess.

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