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part of my new philosophy lately has

been to bring more positivity to our

coverage I mean certainly we have a

responsibility to acknowledge and

educate about problems but we also want

to highlight the good that's going to be

hard today when we watched Intel's

presentation on their new core Ultra

20000 desktop processors our first

thought was boy do these ever look

familiar and while we were impressed

that AMD was able to achieve similar

performance at significantly less

wattage not many of you were Gamers

don't want want 5% Improvement they want

FPS and they want it now and well kind

of kills me to have to be the one to

tell you this but Arrow lake is more

like arrow through the heart because

you're not even going to get 5% at least

not across the board the good news is

that your power bill is going to go down

but in many cases so will your

performance so strap in for a very bumpy

ride with me as I try to navigate what

on Earth is going on with CPUs in 2024

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today AOL lake is full of changes some

of which are pretty radical I mean for

starters gone is smt or hyperthreading

along with Intel's traditional

monolithic die approach on the desktop

instead we get a tile based architecture

with the fos packaging that we first saw

in meteor Lake and they're laying down

clusters of skymont efficiency or ecor

between our now single-threaded lion

Cove performance or pees we also get

four XE Graphics cores on the igpu tile

that should be a lot stronger than

Intel's previous attempts at integrated

graphics and while it clearly isn't on

the level of amd's 3D vcash chips they

have upped the level two cach per piece

core by 50% from two Megs to 3 Megs wow

there's also been some big changes to

core turbo Behavior more on that now you

thought I was going to say later didn't

you we've got two chips with us today

the core Ultra 5 245k that's a 6p core 8

e core chip that boosts to 5.2 and 4.6

GHz respectively this is Intel's

intended gamer sweet spot at least for

now then we've got the core Ultra 9 285k

that gets 8 p course and double the

ecourse for a total of 24 cores this one

should be the productivity and also just

do anything monster it'll do 5.5 GHz on

the P course and 4.6 on the eour at

least it sort of will because the 285k

has five yes five different boost

frequencies depending on what you're

doing it technically can actually turbo

up to 5.7 GHz but that's only going to

be a couple select cores in lightly

threaded workloads all right thanks

Intel as for the last CPU the one we

don't have today it gets eight peores

but only 12 ecores and a slightly slower

clock speed so far so interesting but

how's it going to play out for the folks

shopping today we wanted to compare

Intel's own last gen amd's ryzen 9000

and for the folks gaming on the top

chips from the last couple of

generations we included amd's most

popular x3d chips a couple of important

points though we decided to roll the

latest Windows 11 24 H2 and our 96 and

9700x chips are tuned to the new 105

watt TDP that AMD unlocked last month

and finally we didn't bother with the

5800 X 3D for productivity that's a

gaming chip so with that in mind let's

talk gaming performance all of our tests

were run at 1080p low to all but

eliminate GPU bottlenecks and put as

much pressure on these CPUs as possible

in City skylines 2 not only do we see a

decent improvement over 14th gen in both

averages and 1% lows but the 285k is

beating everything in 1% low close the

only problem is it's crushing our 245k

as well it turns out in heavily

multi-threaded games this current

generation gaming chip is looking

decidedly last gen it's not all bad news

we found some generational uplift in

Total War Warhammer 3 it's not much and

also the 285k gets kind of stomped on by

the 9700x in both averages and 1% lows

with the 245k trailing right behind and

that's it

that's the positive news for gaming as

we always say look to multiple sources

to paint the most complete picture but

for the rest of our suite the results

are very disappointing shadow of the

Tomb Raider has the 245k in last place

clearly losing to its predecessor the

14600 K with the 285k not doing a whole

lot better our x3d chips crush it in

averages and even the vilified 9,000

Series chips from AMD come out ahead but

AMD is far from Intel's only enemy here

even Intel's own 14700 K is decently

ahead of our new core Ultra 9 in average

FPS fortunately that's not the case in

rocket league but the 285k is still

losing to its predecessor it seems that

this game doesn't care much about 3D

vcash but loves lots of cores and lots

of threads and is the only game we

tested that placed the 950x on top and

it's bad news again for the 245k which

found itself at the bottom of the list

coming up short to the old Core 5 again

both in averages and 1% lows yikes and

in Red Dead Redemption we see another

case where not only is AMD beating Intel

into the ground but 14th gen is Right

alongside getting in some kicks where it

can and f123 doesn't look a whole lot

better this is a massacre ladies and

gentlemen I mean sure at least the 245k

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below moving on to Counter Strike 2 both

new chips are solidly in the bottom

three with the 285k getting stomped yet

again at least we see an improvement

with the 245k and 1% lows cyberpunk sees

both doing okay for averages but their

abysmal 1% lows leave them buried at the

bottom of the chart not only being

bested by their own previous generation

but also a 2-year-old AMD chip running

in an 8-year-old socket truly this is a

sad day for gaming and therefore the

world or is it we asked Intel to tell us

their top two and bottom two games that

showcased their new power efficiency

gains and we tested them ourselves with

the

285k and while it's clear you're going

to see some huge swings in performance

depending on what you play with these

new Chips it is equally clear that

you're going to see a reduction in power

consumption across the board something

that Intel unlike AMD really needed to

get under control with this generation

we'll touch a bit more on Power and

thermals later but you can see here that

yes in Final Fantasy 14 Dawn tril we're

losing 20% of our performance but we're

also dropping 40% of our power

consumption and Hitman that was a

similar story with a 45% decrease in

power for only a 133% loss in fps and

those are the worst two what about the

best in 6 we've got a 35% power

reduction while gaining almost 9%

performance on the turn timer and in

f123 nearly 40% less power with 12% more

average FPS don't get me wrong Guys

these are truly small slivers of silver

on some very large cumulon nimbus clouds

but they are there this justtin Intel

has informed us that despite claims of

APO or application optimization being

enabled by default on AOL Lake it was in

fact off on the motherboard they sent us

for our review we've rerun the tests and

discovered a small frame rate increase

in CS2 essentially no change whatsoever

in Shadow of the Tomb Raider and a

decrease of about 10% in Red Dead

Redemption 2's 1% lows the rest of our

games only saw a 1 to 2% change which

could be attributed to run variants some

of our productivity scores even went

down slightly with the feature enabled

for the record APO should be enabled by

default on all boards either in time for

launch or shortly thereafter I can't

believe I'm still doing this character

it also appears that Windows 1124 H2 can

have lower performance in games compared

to other windows versions this is the

version our testing used but since 24 H2

is publicly available you may even be

using it right now we're standing by our

results if you want to learn more about

the wide variety of performance you can

expect depending on which versions of

Windows you're running check out

Hardware unbox coverage as they tested

the 285k on multiple windows versions

and power modes showing some pretty big

changes in fps your mileage may vary

we're still not impressed with aake when

it comes to gaming back to you

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lonus I don't expect almost any gamer to

look at this and think I am very

compelled to buy this product but what I

can hope is that like we saw with AMD

Zen one that maybe this is the start of

a long journey to recovery for Intel

because if they can figure out what's

going on with the games where they're

getting absolutely dumpstered

productivity looks pretty okay in

blender there's a solid decrease in time

taken to render for the 285k against the

14900 K and we get about a 10%

Improvement between the core fives as

well unfortunately for Intel the 950x is

still on top but considering that the

245k Beats both the 9700x and 9600 X I'm

seeing this as a bright spot for Intel a

surprising one given the lack of hyp

threading on this new generation

compiling with gdau sees more

improvements for a lake 2 with our 245k

once again beating the AMD

9700x it may only have six peores but

those ecores are really starting to show

their strength now that we see them do

more heavy lifting in multi-threaded

workloads Intel has really invested in

making these new skymont eor beefy to

the point where they're really more like

underclocked Raptor Cove PE course in

handbreak we see more improvements in

av1 encoding the coral Ultra 9 sees a

22% uplift over last gen with about a

15% uplift for the core Ultra 5 neither

of them can crack the Behemoth that is

the 32 thread 950x but it is nice to see

that the 245k isn't completely useless

trailing just behind the 9700x x264

encoding is a similar story with smaller

gains over previous gen on both chips

but hey now our 245k is beating the

9700x by a hair and we see very similar

results in Prime seeve with our 285k in

second place place and the 245k

admirably beating its 9600 X counterpart

especially interesting in our results is

cinebench the 285k finally lands on top

of a chart in multicore and both a lake

chips comfortably beat their 14th gen

counterparts the lack of pee

multi-threading and the extra ecore

clusters really hurt the accor Ultra 5

but at least in single core it puts on a

respectable show trailing just behind

the 14900 K just like in games though

the story here heavily depends on the

workload and we got just abysmal results

in Puget bench's photoshop with both new

Chips performing worse than last gen and

straggling behind AMD by a wide margin

in Premier Intel is better than AMD but

this was already their fight to lose and

unfortunately they managed it aerol Lake

doesn't even manage to beat their last

gen 14th Gen processor so pic Victory

and seven zip is another disappointing

loss in both compression and de

compression wamp wamp can we maybe find

some more silver how about AI I mean

after all unlike amd's most recent

desktop offerings these new Intel chips

have npus oo neural processing and at

least when it comes to open voo we

really see them shine with our 285k

netting an 82% increase over the 14900 K

CPU score in the same test and since our

245k has the same npu tile it gets

nearly the same score there as well

walloping the 14600 K here we start to

see what all the fuss is about with

Intel's new igpu as well those four XC

cores are putting in work with more than

double the performance of last gen

unfortunately AMD CPUs don't support

open Veno they use Windows ML and in

that race they beat Intel's CPU scores

however in most cases on Intel you won't

be using Windows ml so depending on your

use case these new npus might really

matter to you because I don't know you

can afford a brand new CP

and motherboard but not a GPU I don't

know we'll have to see how developers

use these things what could actually be

a factor for you is power while our 285k

peaked at 250 watts to top the charts

earlier it only averaged 218 which is a

303 wat drop from the 14900 K to be

clear Intel is still clearly juicing

their chips harder than AMD but at least

it's finally coming down and it looks

even better when we compare our 245k to

the 14600 k okay less power higher score

you'll love to see it it's just too bad

that AMD Twisted the knife on their most

recent launch it's also just not that

clear of an improvement we looked at

Intel's best case for performance per

wat in gaming earlier but in our usual

process for power and thermal testing we

use f123 and gen over gen it's more of a

mixed bag here yeah they're using fewer

Watts on both SKS but surprisingly

they're running a few

hotter so it looks like unless they're

using significantly less power you can

expect a pretty similar operating

temperature but hey at least you can

reuse your old cooler with the new LGA

1851 socket oh yeah I only briefly

mentioned this before if you want these

new Chips you're going to need a new

motherboard sick truly guys I don't

remember the last launch that left me

this disappointed I mean there is a ton

of cool stuff here to get excited about

like the potential prediction

Improvement thanks to removing smt and

the new knobs and dials for overclocking

leaks have even popped up showing the

285k reaching over 350 Watts for an

alleged 82% performance gain it's just

too bad that the majority of you guys

watching this video are probably never

going to try your hand at overclocking

Beyond enabling XMP on your RAM anyway

speaking of ram big changes there we're

getting CU dim support and a ddr5 only

memory controller Intel told us that

these CPUs should see some decent game

gains when cranking up the speed to

8,000 megat transfers per second or

greater which sounds pretty cool except

that ours completely refused to do it so

we weren't able to verify their claims

stay tuned though maybe now that both

AMD and Intel have settled on ddr5 we'll

have to test a wide range of memory

speeds on both Platforms in the not too

distant future maybe an update or two in

the meantime will fix Intel's issues in

time for that which leaves us with one

last kick in the teeth when we started

writing this review the ryzen 9 950x was

scarce and prices were high but as of

the weekend before the Embargo lift the

950x went on sale for as low as

$599 that didn't last long and at the

time of filming they're already back to

the $700 range but it's a good way to

get us started on the conversation about

pricing today you can buy a core Ultra 9

285k for

$589 you're also going to need a new

motherboard that supports the new 1851

socket and realistically probably some

new ddr5 memory if you want to try to

get faster speeds out of it the ultra 7

265k probably the chip that actually

matters in this launch and unfortunately

the one we have zero benchmarks for it

costs almost 200 bucks less at 3.94 and

the Ultra 5 245k is 309 considering that

Arrow Lake isn't a drop in replacement

it is really hard to get excited about

this pricing when we look at the

competition especially when we consider

that the ryzen 7 9800 x3d is rumored to

be released next month Intel's calling

AOL Lake a reset on the desktop road map

and I guess I'm just hoping that that's

true and that this is a Zen one moment

like that was a major change with some

real improvements but it wasn't that

competitive the real competitiveness

came later with Zen 2 and especially Zen

3 so for Intel right now unless you're

super keen on an npu on desktop or

you're one of those people who still

thinks that AMD is Kirkland brand Intel

it's really hard for me to find a reason

to buy these if you do want to pick one

up we'll have it and all the CPUs that

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