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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,016 --> 00:00:27,974 - ♪ Something happened on the day he died ♪ 2 00:00:27,974 --> 00:00:32,348 ♪ Spirit rose a meter and stepped aside ♪ 3 00:00:32,348 --> 00:00:35,348 ♪ Somebody else took his place ♪ 4 00:00:35,348 --> 00:00:38,682 ♪ And bravely cried ♪ 5 00:00:38,682 --> 00:00:40,265 Always remember that the reason 6 00:00:40,265 --> 00:00:42,099 that you initially started working 7 00:00:42,099 --> 00:00:44,016 was that there was something inside yourself 8 00:00:44,016 --> 00:00:45,557 that you felt that 9 00:00:45,557 --> 00:00:47,348 if you could manifest it in some way, 10 00:00:47,348 --> 00:00:48,599 you would understand 11 00:00:48,599 --> 00:00:50,016 more about yourself 12 00:00:50,016 --> 00:00:51,682 and how you coexist 13 00:00:51,682 --> 00:00:53,599 with the rest of society. 14 00:00:53,599 --> 00:00:58,891 ♪ How many times does an angel fall ♪ 15 00:00:58,891 --> 00:01:00,974 ♪ How many people lie ♪ 16 00:01:00,974 --> 00:01:03,849 ♪ Instead of talking tall ♪ 17 00:01:03,849 --> 00:01:05,932 People have either really accepted what I do 18 00:01:05,932 --> 00:01:07,432 or they've absolutely 19 00:01:07,432 --> 00:01:09,390 sort of pushed it away from them. 20 00:01:09,390 --> 00:01:11,473 I guess that's what I am, you know? 21 00:01:11,473 --> 00:01:13,724 But I would love to feel that what I did 22 00:01:13,724 --> 00:01:15,599 actually changed the fabric of music. 23 00:01:27,765 --> 00:01:29,473 Even though I seem to 24 00:01:29,473 --> 00:01:31,348 superficially change such a lot, 25 00:01:31,348 --> 00:01:33,932 a style does come through. 26 00:01:36,807 --> 00:01:39,599 By virtue of the fact that I'm getting older, 27 00:01:39,599 --> 00:01:41,265 it's given me quite a scope 28 00:01:41,265 --> 00:01:43,932 on what I can draw from within my own 29 00:01:43,932 --> 00:01:45,599 catalog of albums. 30 00:01:57,765 --> 00:02:00,141 ♪ Look up here ♪ 31 00:02:00,141 --> 00:02:03,182 ♪ I'm in heaven ♪ 32 00:02:03,182 --> 00:02:07,265 ♪ I've got scars that can't be seen ♪ 33 00:02:19,099 --> 00:02:20,765 'Allo, 'Allo,'Allo! 34 00:02:20,765 --> 00:02:24,182 It's your lucky day! 35 00:02:26,682 --> 00:02:29,016 ♪ Where are we now? ♪ 36 00:02:29,016 --> 00:02:32,974 ♪ Where are we now? ♪ 37 00:02:32,974 --> 00:02:34,640 - I think that David's music 38 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:36,807 is totally autobiographical. 39 00:02:36,807 --> 00:02:38,807 He's telling you everything 40 00:02:38,807 --> 00:02:40,640 if you just know what to look for. 41 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:43,265 - ♪ The moment you know ♪ 42 00:02:43,265 --> 00:02:47,099 ♪ You know you know ♪ 43 00:02:47,099 --> 00:02:49,807 - He was a kind of provocateur. 44 00:02:49,807 --> 00:02:53,473 - ♪ Where the fuck did Monday go? ♪ 45 00:02:53,473 --> 00:02:56,640 - He offered an alternative to people, 46 00:02:56,640 --> 00:03:00,307 and that, to me, is a great artist. 47 00:03:00,307 --> 00:03:01,974 You know? Someone who can 48 00:03:01,974 --> 00:03:05,182 offer that for generations to come. 49 00:03:07,016 --> 00:03:09,016 - This is one human being 50 00:03:09,016 --> 00:03:11,057 who has single-handedly changed 51 00:03:11,057 --> 00:03:13,099 basically the course of my life, 52 00:03:13,099 --> 00:03:16,057 and you can't say that about most people. 53 00:03:25,891 --> 00:03:28,432 - ♪ Loving the alien ♪ 54 00:03:28,432 --> 00:03:31,682 ♪ Watch that man ♪ 55 00:03:31,682 --> 00:03:33,682 - ♪ Oh, honey, watch that man ♪ 56 00:03:33,682 --> 00:03:35,515 - ♪ Blue, blue, electric blue ♪ 57 00:03:35,515 --> 00:03:37,849 ♪ That's the color of my room ♪ 58 00:03:37,849 --> 00:03:39,765 ♪ I'm looking for a vehicle ♪ 59 00:03:39,765 --> 00:03:42,390 ♪ I'm looking for a ride ♪ 60 00:03:42,390 --> 00:03:43,974 ♪ I'm looking for a party ♪ 61 00:03:43,974 --> 00:03:46,223 ♪ I'm looking for a side ♪ 62 00:03:46,223 --> 00:03:49,891 ♪ We can be heroes ♪ 63 00:03:49,891 --> 00:03:52,724 ♪ Just for one day ♪ 64 00:04:06,390 --> 00:04:09,724 I've this poetic, romantic, kind of juvenile idea 65 00:04:09,724 --> 00:04:11,515 that I would be dead by 30, 66 00:04:11,515 --> 00:04:13,765 but suddenly you're 30 and you're 40. 67 00:04:13,765 --> 00:04:16,265 Then you're 50 and 57, and all that, 68 00:04:16,265 --> 00:04:17,932 and it's a new land, you know? 69 00:04:17,932 --> 00:04:19,807 - Sure. - I'm a pioneer. 70 00:04:19,807 --> 00:04:21,891 ♪ Got your mother in a whirl ♪ 71 00:04:23,307 --> 00:04:27,599 ♪ She's not sure if you're a boy or a girl ♪ 72 00:04:27,599 --> 00:04:28,891 ♪ Hey, baby ♪ 73 00:04:28,891 --> 00:04:31,390 ♪ Your hair's all right ♪ 74 00:04:31,390 --> 00:04:34,348 ♪ Hey, baby, let's stay out tonight ♪ 75 00:04:34,348 --> 00:04:36,099 - It's a big tour you're starting now, isn't it? 76 00:04:36,099 --> 00:04:38,057 - Yeah, it's gonna go on for months and months, 77 00:04:38,057 --> 00:04:40,515 but, uh, I think we're up for it. 78 00:04:40,515 --> 00:04:42,473 - How do you feel right now? 79 00:04:42,473 --> 00:04:44,223 - Pretty relaxed, you know. 80 00:04:44,223 --> 00:04:46,849 Uh, I enjoy the songs a lot, 81 00:04:46,849 --> 00:04:49,599 so, uh, I'm gonna... I'm gonna have a good time. 82 00:04:49,599 --> 00:04:51,099 ♪ You're ♪ 83 00:04:54,974 --> 00:04:56,599 - You know, I'm gonna be honest with you. 84 00:04:56,599 --> 00:04:58,599 The happiest I've ever seen that man 85 00:04:58,599 --> 00:05:01,932 in 42 years that I spent, on and off, with him, 86 00:05:01,932 --> 00:05:03,849 was that tour. 87 00:05:03,849 --> 00:05:05,891 I...I'd never seen him like that before. 88 00:05:05,891 --> 00:05:07,141 - ♪ You're ♪ 89 00:05:07,141 --> 00:05:08,307 ♪ Rebel, rebel ♪ 90 00:05:08,307 --> 00:05:11,182 - ♪ Put on your dress ♪ 91 00:05:11,182 --> 00:05:12,473 ♪ Rebel, rebel ♪ 92 00:05:12,473 --> 00:05:14,141 - ♪ Face is a mess ♪ 93 00:05:14,141 --> 00:05:15,307 ♪ You're a ♪ 94 00:05:15,307 --> 00:05:16,640 ♪ Rebel, rebel ♪ 95 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,223 - ♪ How could they know? ♪ 96 00:05:18,223 --> 00:05:21,765 ♪ Hot tramp, I love you so ♪ 97 00:05:21,765 --> 00:05:23,307 - ♪ You bet ♪ 98 00:05:23,307 --> 00:05:25,223 - At a certain time in your life, 99 00:05:25,223 --> 00:05:26,891 you get to a point where 100 00:05:26,891 --> 00:05:28,307 you do feel freer 101 00:05:28,307 --> 00:05:29,682 and you don't really care 102 00:05:29,682 --> 00:05:30,932 what people... 103 00:05:30,932 --> 00:05:32,932 Think, and you can be yourself 104 00:05:32,932 --> 00:05:34,473 and you can laugh at things 105 00:05:34,473 --> 00:05:37,223 and you can not take things, maybe, so seriously. 106 00:05:39,057 --> 00:05:41,390 - ♪ Hey, baby, let's stay out tonight ♪ 107 00:05:41,390 --> 00:05:43,932 - When it came to the "Reality Tour," 108 00:05:43,932 --> 00:05:46,807 I think he had decided that he was gonna take down 109 00:05:46,807 --> 00:05:49,599 that kind of screen, if you like... 110 00:05:49,599 --> 00:05:50,765 - Thank you! 111 00:05:50,765 --> 00:05:52,141 - And be David Bowie, 112 00:05:52,141 --> 00:05:53,473 not in a cheesy way, 113 00:05:53,473 --> 00:05:56,348 but he...he allowed more access 114 00:05:56,348 --> 00:05:58,182 to himself. 115 00:05:58,182 --> 00:06:01,016 - On guitar, from Dublin's fair city, 116 00:06:01,016 --> 00:06:02,182 Gerry Leonard. 117 00:06:04,223 --> 00:06:05,599 Actually, he's... 118 00:06:05,599 --> 00:06:07,473 he's actually from Tunbridge Wells, 119 00:06:07,473 --> 00:06:08,724 but he always gets the good applause 120 00:06:08,724 --> 00:06:10,307 when I say that. 121 00:06:10,307 --> 00:06:12,141 I'm not really very keen to put on 122 00:06:12,141 --> 00:06:14,223 much of a theatrical show, you know, 123 00:06:14,223 --> 00:06:17,141 in terms of big sets and elephants and fireworks 124 00:06:17,141 --> 00:06:18,515 and things like that. 125 00:06:18,515 --> 00:06:20,265 Of course, it doesn't mean that 126 00:06:20,265 --> 00:06:22,265 I won't go back on my word, because that's, you know, 127 00:06:22,265 --> 00:06:24,473 part and parcel of what I do for you, 128 00:06:24,473 --> 00:06:26,682 as part of my entertaining factor 129 00:06:26,682 --> 00:06:28,348 is lying to you. 130 00:06:32,099 --> 00:06:34,891 - His sense of humor was on. 131 00:06:34,891 --> 00:06:36,599 He always had one anyway, 132 00:06:36,599 --> 00:06:37,724 but publicly, 133 00:06:37,724 --> 00:06:39,390 he didn't show it as much. 134 00:06:39,390 --> 00:06:41,223 You know what I mean? There was that 135 00:06:41,223 --> 00:06:44,891 serious artist thing going on, you know, 136 00:06:44,891 --> 00:06:46,724 during some of the tours. 137 00:06:46,724 --> 00:06:48,807 The "Reality Tour" wasn't like that, 138 00:06:48,807 --> 00:06:51,141 because there was some nights I was falling down laughing 139 00:06:51,141 --> 00:06:53,223 for some of the shit that he would say or do 140 00:06:53,223 --> 00:06:54,307 or that happened. 141 00:06:54,307 --> 00:06:55,682 - These must be my albums 142 00:06:55,682 --> 00:06:56,891 that nobody ever bought, 143 00:06:56,891 --> 00:06:58,724 so they've gotten really cheap. 144 00:06:58,724 --> 00:07:00,432 Look, they got "Lodger" and "Tin Machine," 145 00:07:00,432 --> 00:07:02,016 Isn't that because... 146 00:07:02,016 --> 00:07:04,891 - We're at some truck stop in Montana, 147 00:07:04,891 --> 00:07:06,891 and I'm at... you know...you know those 148 00:07:06,891 --> 00:07:08,891 machines that you never win at 149 00:07:08,891 --> 00:07:10,182 where you put in the quarter 150 00:07:10,182 --> 00:07:11,724 and then the claw comes down 151 00:07:11,724 --> 00:07:13,432 and it picks up the stuffed animal? 152 00:07:13,432 --> 00:07:14,765 - Yeah, good boy. 153 00:07:14,765 --> 00:07:15,932 - Oh! 154 00:07:15,932 --> 00:07:17,141 Oh! 155 00:07:17,141 --> 00:07:18,599 - I do, it, and I actually get 156 00:07:18,599 --> 00:07:20,057 the thing out of it, 157 00:07:20,057 --> 00:07:21,640 and it's the... but it's the two of us. 158 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,807 It's this competition 159 00:07:22,807 --> 00:07:23,932 of who's gonna get 160 00:07:23,932 --> 00:07:25,057 the stuffed animal. 161 00:07:25,057 --> 00:07:26,057 - I think it's kind of 162 00:07:26,057 --> 00:07:27,432 a 50/50 thing here, 163 00:07:27,432 --> 00:07:28,557 so I'll take that one... - Oh, cut... 164 00:07:28,557 --> 00:07:29,599 it was Cat's money. 165 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:31,640 That's just not the David 166 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,891 that I had known in early years. 167 00:07:33,891 --> 00:07:36,432 That's brilliant. 168 00:07:36,432 --> 00:07:38,849 - Some of the fun and games that were going on... 169 00:07:38,849 --> 00:07:40,390 I think that really was 170 00:07:40,390 --> 00:07:43,182 who he was, you know? 171 00:07:43,182 --> 00:07:45,765 The real David was the one that you saw 172 00:07:45,765 --> 00:07:47,891 at the time of the "Reality Tour." 173 00:07:47,891 --> 00:07:50,223 He was...he's just... he was always funny. 174 00:07:50,223 --> 00:07:51,765 He always had a funny sense of humor. 175 00:07:51,765 --> 00:07:53,182 He was always joking 176 00:07:53,182 --> 00:07:54,849 about things. 177 00:07:54,849 --> 00:07:56,223 - All right. 178 00:07:56,223 --> 00:07:57,599 - Oh, you're doing your bird. 179 00:07:57,599 --> 00:07:59,182 - Dun-dun-dun-dun. 180 00:07:59,182 --> 00:08:00,390 - Guess the movie. 181 00:08:03,307 --> 00:08:05,807 - There was a sense that David looked 182 00:08:05,807 --> 00:08:07,515 as young and as youthful 183 00:08:07,515 --> 00:08:09,141 as ever on that tour. 184 00:08:10,807 --> 00:08:12,682 It did seem like he had 185 00:08:12,682 --> 00:08:14,599 the gift from the gods, you know? 186 00:08:14,599 --> 00:08:17,724 That...that he was never gonna get old. 187 00:08:17,724 --> 00:08:22,891 - ♪ Never ever, ever gonna get old ♪ 188 00:08:29,599 --> 00:08:32,473 That's a lie, but it's only a little lie. 189 00:08:32,473 --> 00:08:34,724 - He looked so good 190 00:08:34,724 --> 00:08:37,432 and youthful at the same time 191 00:08:37,432 --> 00:08:39,682 and one night, I said, 192 00:08:39,682 --> 00:08:41,891 "You look really good in that suit," 193 00:08:41,891 --> 00:08:44,099 and for some reason, the way I said it... 194 00:08:44,099 --> 00:08:45,390 he said, 195 00:08:45,390 --> 00:08:47,016 "I'm happily married." 196 00:08:49,473 --> 00:08:51,515 So I didn't realize what I... 197 00:08:51,515 --> 00:08:53,182 how I was saying that. 198 00:08:53,182 --> 00:08:56,182 But yeah, he just looked great, 199 00:08:56,182 --> 00:08:57,724 all the time. 200 00:08:59,348 --> 00:09:01,807 - ♪ Billy rapped all night ♪ 201 00:09:01,807 --> 00:09:03,807 ♪ About his suicide ♪ 202 00:09:03,807 --> 00:09:06,891 ♪ Kick it in the head when he was 25 ♪ 203 00:09:06,891 --> 00:09:09,016 That's just speed jive. 204 00:09:09,016 --> 00:09:11,182 ♪ Don't wanna stay alive ♪ 205 00:09:11,182 --> 00:09:13,057 ♪ When you're 25 ♪ 206 00:09:13,057 --> 00:09:14,682 - Playing "All the Young Dudes," 207 00:09:14,682 --> 00:09:16,974 that's such... like an anthem, really. 208 00:09:16,974 --> 00:09:19,223 In a way, it was almost like church, 209 00:09:19,223 --> 00:09:21,141 you know, when you really do feel like 210 00:09:21,141 --> 00:09:24,473 you have this congregation of people 211 00:09:24,473 --> 00:09:25,891 and everyone's singing 212 00:09:25,891 --> 00:09:27,807 and the whole place is swaying. 213 00:09:27,807 --> 00:09:29,724 ♪ All the young dudes ♪ 214 00:09:29,724 --> 00:09:31,307 - Yeah, you in the back! 215 00:09:31,307 --> 00:09:33,016 ♪ Carry the news ♪ 216 00:09:33,016 --> 00:09:35,057 - In the St. George T-shirt! 217 00:09:35,057 --> 00:09:37,141 ♪ Dudes ♪ 218 00:09:37,141 --> 00:09:40,265 - ♪ Carry the message ♪ 219 00:09:40,265 --> 00:09:42,849 ♪ One more ♪ 220 00:09:42,849 --> 00:09:44,223 - It was just a... 221 00:09:44,223 --> 00:09:46,223 an incredible connection 222 00:09:46,223 --> 00:09:48,307 to the audience, I think, for that show, 223 00:09:48,307 --> 00:09:50,223 for pretty much the whole show. 224 00:09:50,223 --> 00:09:51,974 ♪ Boogaloo dudes ♪ 225 00:09:51,974 --> 00:09:55,557 ♪ Carry the news ♪ 226 00:09:58,016 --> 00:09:59,724 - He just got into tunnel vision, 227 00:09:59,724 --> 00:10:01,891 like he was gonna make this 228 00:10:01,891 --> 00:10:03,265 not just successful, 229 00:10:03,265 --> 00:10:05,057 but just be prepared to play it, 230 00:10:05,057 --> 00:10:07,765 because it was a lot of music every night. 231 00:10:07,765 --> 00:10:09,974 We would go in 232 00:10:09,974 --> 00:10:11,974 2 1/2-hour sets, 233 00:10:11,974 --> 00:10:13,932 and, you know, you have to really 234 00:10:13,932 --> 00:10:17,515 be physically capable to handle that. 235 00:10:25,682 --> 00:10:28,390 - Going on tour excited him very much, 236 00:10:28,390 --> 00:10:31,432 but, uh, he said to me, flat-out, 237 00:10:31,432 --> 00:10:33,265 "I'm tired," 238 00:10:33,265 --> 00:10:34,640 so I think, um, 239 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,016 he fulfilled all his wishes and dreams, 240 00:10:37,016 --> 00:10:40,016 and maybe he got a little over-saturated 241 00:10:40,016 --> 00:10:41,599 in the touring. 242 00:10:49,057 --> 00:10:51,141 - We got to Prague, 243 00:10:51,141 --> 00:10:54,182 and then, during a show, 244 00:10:54,182 --> 00:10:58,599 David was sweating profusely 245 00:10:58,599 --> 00:11:00,682 and unable to sing. 246 00:11:00,682 --> 00:11:03,974 - And then he started to hunch over. 247 00:11:03,974 --> 00:11:06,099 He looked over, and I looked over at him, 248 00:11:06,099 --> 00:11:08,473 and I went, "There's something really wrong." 249 00:11:08,473 --> 00:11:09,974 I said... and I went, like... 250 00:11:09,974 --> 00:11:11,724 and I signaled to his floor manager, 251 00:11:11,724 --> 00:11:14,307 and I went, "Boss, you're not okay." 252 00:11:14,307 --> 00:11:17,473 - The security person ran out and took him off the stage. 253 00:11:17,473 --> 00:11:19,182 Just took him away. 254 00:11:19,182 --> 00:11:20,974 - It was a little mysterious to everybody 255 00:11:20,974 --> 00:11:22,515 as to what it might be, 256 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:24,473 because it really did come out of the blue. 257 00:11:24,473 --> 00:11:26,348 - I just was thinking, "Okay, he's seeing the doctor. 258 00:11:26,348 --> 00:11:30,223 Maybe they've given him a shot, or whatever." 259 00:11:30,223 --> 00:11:33,016 Then we got ready to go to the Hurricane Festival. 260 00:11:34,348 --> 00:11:36,682 - We'll leave this one for you, 261 00:11:36,682 --> 00:11:37,849 for me, for my band, 262 00:11:37,849 --> 00:11:39,182 for our families. 263 00:11:39,182 --> 00:11:40,390 Thanks very much. 264 00:11:40,390 --> 00:11:41,765 - We played the entire set, 265 00:11:41,765 --> 00:11:43,849 and it seemed, you know, normal. 266 00:11:43,849 --> 00:11:47,223 Not as...quite as... as energetic 267 00:11:47,223 --> 00:11:49,182 and as charged 268 00:11:49,182 --> 00:11:51,016 as the performances before. 269 00:11:55,099 --> 00:11:57,307 - ♪ But I'll drink all the time ♪ 270 00:12:00,765 --> 00:12:02,432 ♪ 'Cause we're lovers ♪ 271 00:12:04,891 --> 00:12:07,182 ♪ That is a fact ♪ 272 00:12:09,724 --> 00:12:11,891 ♪ Yes, we're lovers ♪ 273 00:12:11,891 --> 00:12:13,432 - We finished the show... 274 00:12:13,432 --> 00:12:14,849 - ♪ And that is that ♪ 275 00:12:14,849 --> 00:12:16,640 - And then it seemed like 276 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,223 David was in a lot of pain 277 00:12:18,223 --> 00:12:20,099 and obviously something was wrong. 278 00:12:20,099 --> 00:12:23,557 - They sent an ambulance, and took him away. 279 00:12:23,557 --> 00:12:26,432 We went back in the vans, um, with the band, 280 00:12:26,432 --> 00:12:28,932 and he went off in an ambulance that night. 281 00:12:28,932 --> 00:12:31,807 - I think we were told that, um, 282 00:12:31,807 --> 00:12:33,765 he had a mild heart attack 283 00:12:33,765 --> 00:12:36,390 and that his life wasn't in danger, 284 00:12:36,390 --> 00:12:39,307 but that was it. We were going home. 285 00:12:53,265 --> 00:12:55,515 - He said he wasn't gonna work for a while 286 00:12:55,515 --> 00:12:57,515 and, uh, he wasn't sure 287 00:12:57,515 --> 00:12:58,932 if he'd ever record again, 288 00:12:58,932 --> 00:13:00,682 or tour again. 289 00:13:00,682 --> 00:13:04,182 He just wanted to take time off. 290 00:13:11,432 --> 00:13:14,016 - I think any kind of unexpected thing, 291 00:13:14,016 --> 00:13:15,765 like a heart attack... it makes you 292 00:13:15,765 --> 00:13:17,765 reevaluate things, and I... 293 00:13:17,765 --> 00:13:20,765 but I never thought he'd stop working. 294 00:13:23,141 --> 00:13:26,265 - We would exchange emails about things that were 295 00:13:26,265 --> 00:13:29,307 interesting to each other or relevant, 296 00:13:29,307 --> 00:13:33,016 but there wasn't a lot of contact. 297 00:13:34,765 --> 00:13:37,307 - It's hard to figure out David, 298 00:13:37,307 --> 00:13:40,348 you know, and I stopped trying to figure him out. 299 00:13:40,348 --> 00:13:42,557 Just hope the phone would ring, 300 00:13:42,557 --> 00:13:45,057 and/or get an email from him, 301 00:13:45,057 --> 00:13:46,640 and I did. 302 00:14:22,515 --> 00:14:25,265 - Having not heard from him for a while, 303 00:14:25,265 --> 00:14:27,016 I suddenly got an email 304 00:14:27,016 --> 00:14:28,307 to see if I was available 305 00:14:28,307 --> 00:14:30,348 to come and play on the album. 306 00:14:30,348 --> 00:14:33,390 I received, then, an email from the management 307 00:14:33,390 --> 00:14:37,265 about the fact that if I was going to do this, 308 00:14:37,265 --> 00:14:39,182 it would have to be secret, 309 00:14:39,182 --> 00:14:40,515 and if I 310 00:14:40,515 --> 00:14:42,223 said anything about it, 311 00:14:42,223 --> 00:14:43,974 I would be in big trouble... 312 00:14:43,974 --> 00:14:45,182 Legally. 313 00:14:47,057 --> 00:14:48,724 - I got an email, 314 00:14:48,724 --> 00:14:51,223 really out of the blue, from David. 315 00:14:51,223 --> 00:14:52,974 "Do you want to come 316 00:14:52,974 --> 00:14:56,557 and work on some new songs for a week?" 317 00:14:56,557 --> 00:14:58,765 Uh, "P.S., 318 00:14:58,765 --> 00:15:00,223 uh, keep schtum." 319 00:15:02,182 --> 00:15:04,432 - Once we got to the studio, 320 00:15:04,432 --> 00:15:05,724 one of the first things he did 321 00:15:05,724 --> 00:15:08,141 was hand out NDAs to everybody: 322 00:15:08,141 --> 00:15:10,682 these papers to sign. It's the first time 323 00:15:10,682 --> 00:15:12,141 that I'd ever been asked 324 00:15:12,141 --> 00:15:13,473 to do something like that for him. 325 00:15:14,932 --> 00:15:16,390 - The hours were very short, 326 00:15:16,390 --> 00:15:17,891 compared to normal. 327 00:15:17,891 --> 00:15:19,682 By 6:00, that was it, no matter what, 328 00:15:19,682 --> 00:15:22,390 and some days, even earlier than that. 329 00:15:22,390 --> 00:15:24,557 That was not the David Bowie 330 00:15:24,557 --> 00:15:26,515 that I ever worked with before. 331 00:15:26,515 --> 00:15:28,557 Ever. I've never seen that. 332 00:15:28,557 --> 00:15:30,016 He would go in there 333 00:15:30,016 --> 00:15:32,599 and stay there until 334 00:15:32,599 --> 00:15:35,057 he was spent or done, 335 00:15:35,057 --> 00:15:36,765 but this was like a... 336 00:15:36,765 --> 00:15:38,390 "Mm. I'm leaving. 337 00:15:38,390 --> 00:15:39,724 6:00. See you." 338 00:15:41,765 --> 00:15:43,765 - He really wanted no pressure on him 339 00:15:43,765 --> 00:15:45,141 to release an album. 340 00:15:45,141 --> 00:15:47,099 There was no press release saying 341 00:15:47,099 --> 00:15:50,307 "Expect a Bowie album on this date." 342 00:15:50,307 --> 00:15:54,849 This way, he could finish every song to perfection. 343 00:16:04,265 --> 00:16:05,807 - I'm much more interested 344 00:16:05,807 --> 00:16:07,432 in the process of life 345 00:16:07,432 --> 00:16:08,974 and what is it that we're... 346 00:16:08,974 --> 00:16:12,141 we're uncovering with our every move? 347 00:16:12,141 --> 00:16:15,557 The celebrity side of it... I couldn't give a sausage. 348 00:16:28,557 --> 00:16:30,099 - ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 349 00:16:30,099 --> 00:16:31,599 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 350 00:16:31,599 --> 00:16:34,182 ♪ Stars are never sleeping ♪ 351 00:16:35,974 --> 00:16:38,432 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 352 00:16:38,432 --> 00:16:42,599 ♪ Dead ones and the living ♪ 353 00:16:42,599 --> 00:16:46,473 ♪ We live closer to the earth ♪ 354 00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:49,974 ♪ Never to the heavens ♪ 355 00:16:49,974 --> 00:16:53,557 ♪ The stars are never far away ♪ 356 00:16:53,557 --> 00:16:56,557 ♪ The stars are out tonight ♪ 357 00:16:56,557 --> 00:16:58,141 - David! 358 00:16:58,141 --> 00:17:00,182 Mr. Bowie! Mr. Bowie! 359 00:17:00,182 --> 00:17:01,849 David, can you wave? 360 00:17:01,849 --> 00:17:03,515 - ♪ The stars must stick together ♪ 361 00:17:03,515 --> 00:17:05,390 - "The Stars Are Out Tonight" song 362 00:17:05,390 --> 00:17:08,682 is about David's attitude towards celebrities. 363 00:17:08,682 --> 00:17:09,849 He's had a good dose 364 00:17:09,849 --> 00:17:11,265 of other people's celebrity, 365 00:17:11,265 --> 00:17:13,016 which, uh, he found distasteful. 366 00:17:15,099 --> 00:17:18,057 - There were definitely things on his mind 367 00:17:18,057 --> 00:17:19,515 and he'd been ruminating over, 368 00:17:19,515 --> 00:17:21,265 and it was all coming out now. 369 00:17:21,265 --> 00:17:24,141 It was like he was birthing the stuff. 370 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:27,849 - He was trying a lot of things. 371 00:17:27,849 --> 00:17:29,348 He had to flex his muscles, 372 00:17:29,348 --> 00:17:31,057 to get back in shape, like a runner, 373 00:17:31,057 --> 00:17:33,765 or an athlete. That's what he had to do. 374 00:17:33,765 --> 00:17:36,974 You know, we just would throw these songs at the musicians, 375 00:17:36,974 --> 00:17:38,724 and they haven't heard them before. 376 00:17:38,724 --> 00:17:42,057 So we have David Torn on this track. 377 00:17:42,057 --> 00:17:45,807 For instance, the intro... if I play David Torn... 378 00:17:56,765 --> 00:17:58,891 And that's his role in this, you know. 379 00:17:58,891 --> 00:18:01,807 - I had this loop... something like this going, 380 00:18:01,807 --> 00:18:04,390 which sounded like this, 381 00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:06,390 and I was moving it in and out 382 00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:10,724 while the... while the whine was happening. 383 00:18:12,557 --> 00:18:15,891 - And I remember also that he was changing his vocal 384 00:18:15,891 --> 00:18:17,891 over the chords to create different sections, 385 00:18:17,891 --> 00:18:20,891 so we kind of had the idea to, uh, 386 00:18:20,891 --> 00:18:22,765 put some little different guitar riffs 387 00:18:22,765 --> 00:18:24,265 to kind of signify 388 00:18:24,265 --> 00:18:26,724 the changes over that. 389 00:18:32,765 --> 00:18:35,473 - I put Torn and Leonard together... 390 00:18:35,473 --> 00:18:36,932 Torn and Leonard. 391 00:18:40,765 --> 00:18:42,682 Very complementary. 392 00:18:43,849 --> 00:18:44,974 Okay. 393 00:18:50,974 --> 00:18:52,932 - It's that kind of... almost a Motown kind of... 394 00:18:52,932 --> 00:18:54,473 I don't know where that kind of comes from. 395 00:18:54,473 --> 00:18:56,099 - Very Motown-y, yeah. 396 00:18:59,099 --> 00:19:03,057 - ♪ Sugar pie, honey bunch ♪ 397 00:19:03,057 --> 00:19:04,640 - But he never said anything about doing that. 398 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,223 - That's right. - We kind of assumed. 399 00:19:06,223 --> 00:19:07,640 - If you've got a smile, 400 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,974 you're going in the right direction, you know? 401 00:19:08,974 --> 00:19:10,765 If you get that kind of, like, 402 00:19:10,765 --> 00:19:11,932 you're just like, "Oh, no, 403 00:19:11,932 --> 00:19:13,099 I wasn't thinking that at all." 404 00:19:13,099 --> 00:19:14,390 You know? 405 00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:16,932 - And it made me think of another song 406 00:19:16,932 --> 00:19:18,432 which is a David song, 407 00:19:18,432 --> 00:19:20,265 which was, uh, 408 00:19:20,265 --> 00:19:23,473 "China Girl." 409 00:19:26,307 --> 00:19:28,932 - David would come to the studio with 410 00:19:28,932 --> 00:19:31,640 pages full of lyrics, and start scratching them out. 411 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,599 Up until the last minute, he would keep revising, 412 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:37,141 and sometimes, he would come in and 413 00:19:37,141 --> 00:19:39,141 just re-sing one line. 414 00:19:56,016 --> 00:19:57,515 - "Stars Are Out Tonight." I think that's 415 00:19:57,515 --> 00:19:58,765 one of my favorite songs 416 00:19:58,765 --> 00:20:00,182 on the record, actually. 417 00:20:00,182 --> 00:20:01,599 I think that song was a... 418 00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:03,016 for lack of a better word, 419 00:20:03,016 --> 00:20:04,057 a good piss-take... 420 00:20:04,057 --> 00:20:06,515 In a way, 421 00:20:06,515 --> 00:20:09,265 on...on what fame has become, 422 00:20:09,265 --> 00:20:12,765 which just is out-of-control machine. 423 00:20:14,348 --> 00:20:18,016 - You know, David had great, grand ideas. 424 00:20:18,016 --> 00:20:20,724 To become well-known, famous, 425 00:20:20,724 --> 00:20:22,807 was for him, initially, 426 00:20:22,807 --> 00:20:24,891 was to have the resources 427 00:20:24,891 --> 00:20:27,473 to realize what his ideas were. 428 00:20:27,473 --> 00:20:29,891 He really does come from that spirit. 429 00:20:29,891 --> 00:20:33,099 Um, he just didn't want to be famous per se. 430 00:20:40,099 --> 00:20:42,891 - ♪ Da-da-da-da ♪ 431 00:20:42,891 --> 00:20:45,891 I just wanted to make a really big name for myself. 432 00:20:45,891 --> 00:20:48,307 I wanted to make a mark. 433 00:20:48,307 --> 00:20:51,099 ♪ Just look through your window ♪ 434 00:20:51,099 --> 00:20:54,724 ♪ Look who sits outside ♪ 435 00:20:54,724 --> 00:20:57,390 - David had quite an edgy personality. 436 00:20:57,390 --> 00:21:01,057 He was intrigued by edgy stuff. 437 00:21:01,057 --> 00:21:02,807 He wanted to do many things. 438 00:21:02,807 --> 00:21:04,932 He loved the idea of theater. 439 00:21:04,932 --> 00:21:06,932 He loved the idea of acting. 440 00:21:06,932 --> 00:21:09,348 He loved the idea of working with actors. 441 00:21:09,348 --> 00:21:11,390 - ♪ Ah ♪ 442 00:21:11,390 --> 00:21:12,974 ♪ Beautiful baby ♪ 443 00:21:12,974 --> 00:21:14,765 ♪ And my heart's aflame ♪ 444 00:21:14,765 --> 00:21:16,599 ♪ I'll love you till Tuesday ♪ 445 00:21:16,599 --> 00:21:18,141 ♪ My head's in a whirl ♪ 446 00:21:18,141 --> 00:21:21,057 ♪ And I'll love you till Tuesday ♪ 447 00:21:21,057 --> 00:21:23,640 - He loved the idea of working with musicians. 448 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,473 Being one himself, 449 00:21:25,473 --> 00:21:27,141 he always 450 00:21:27,141 --> 00:21:31,307 was looking right and left, or over his shoulder, 451 00:21:31,307 --> 00:21:33,016 uh, at what might be, 452 00:21:33,016 --> 00:21:35,016 or what... "What could I do next." 453 00:21:36,932 --> 00:21:38,515 - It took me all the '60s 454 00:21:38,515 --> 00:21:40,640 to try everything that I could think of 455 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,390 to find out exactly what it was 456 00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:44,223 I wanted to do anyway, 457 00:21:44,223 --> 00:21:46,265 but just about the end of the '60s, 458 00:21:46,265 --> 00:21:47,932 it just started to come together. 459 00:21:47,932 --> 00:21:52,307 ♪ Strange games they would play then ♪ 460 00:21:52,307 --> 00:21:57,390 ♪ No death for the perfect men ♪ 461 00:21:57,390 --> 00:22:03,557 ♪ Life rolls into one for them ♪ 462 00:22:03,557 --> 00:22:06,057 ♪ So softly ♪ 463 00:22:06,057 --> 00:22:13,141 ♪ A super-god cries ♪ 464 00:22:13,348 --> 00:22:14,682 Through circumstances, 465 00:22:14,682 --> 00:22:15,974 I'd run into a drummer 466 00:22:15,974 --> 00:22:17,473 called John Cambridge, 467 00:22:17,473 --> 00:22:19,891 and Tony Visconti and Mick Ronson, 468 00:22:19,891 --> 00:22:21,974 and we'd put together a band called Hype. 469 00:22:21,974 --> 00:22:24,557 It was probably my first costume band. 470 00:22:24,557 --> 00:22:26,807 As far as I'm aware, that was the very first 471 00:22:26,807 --> 00:22:28,849 so-called "glam rock" gig. 472 00:22:28,849 --> 00:22:30,057 ♪ No pain of flesh ♪ 473 00:22:30,057 --> 00:22:31,599 ♪ No power too great ♪ 474 00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:33,016 - Hype was very important 475 00:22:33,016 --> 00:22:35,348 to David's development. 476 00:22:35,348 --> 00:22:37,016 This was the only way he could see 477 00:22:37,016 --> 00:22:38,265 at that time 478 00:22:38,265 --> 00:22:40,724 that he could, uh, 479 00:22:40,724 --> 00:22:42,182 be famous, become famous, 480 00:22:42,182 --> 00:22:44,432 and become... become well-known, 481 00:22:44,432 --> 00:22:46,932 and it wasn't quite the right incarnation, 482 00:22:46,932 --> 00:22:49,265 because he was not yet 483 00:22:49,265 --> 00:22:50,473 dyeing his hair orange, 484 00:22:50,473 --> 00:22:52,057 and he hadn't taken on 485 00:22:52,057 --> 00:22:53,849 the Ziggy persona yet. 486 00:22:53,849 --> 00:22:59,182 - ♪ And he was all right ♪ 487 00:22:59,182 --> 00:23:02,182 ♪ The band was all together ♪ 488 00:23:02,182 --> 00:23:03,932 ♪ Yes, he was ♪ 489 00:23:03,932 --> 00:23:06,849 ♪ All right ♪ 490 00:23:06,849 --> 00:23:10,141 ♪ The song went on forever ♪ 491 00:23:10,141 --> 00:23:11,849 ♪ And he was ♪ 492 00:23:11,849 --> 00:23:14,599 ♪ Awful nice ♪ 493 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:18,891 ♪ Really quite out of sight ♪ And he sang... 494 00:23:18,891 --> 00:23:22,099 - ♪ All ♪ - ♪ All night ♪ 495 00:23:22,099 --> 00:23:24,307 ♪ All night long ♪ 496 00:23:26,891 --> 00:23:30,307 ♪ Ooh, how I sighed ♪ 497 00:23:30,307 --> 00:23:33,223 ♪ When they asked if I knew his name ♪ 498 00:23:33,223 --> 00:23:35,182 ♪ Oh, he was ♪ 499 00:23:35,182 --> 00:23:37,724 - ♪ All ♪ - ♪ All right ♪ 500 00:23:37,724 --> 00:23:39,348 The real characterization 501 00:23:39,348 --> 00:23:41,182 really didn't kick in till the Ziggy. 502 00:23:41,182 --> 00:23:43,640 I mean, I was always quite a shy kid, 503 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,557 and I didn't come alive on stage. 504 00:23:45,557 --> 00:23:47,432 I just got even shier, 505 00:23:47,432 --> 00:23:49,223 but I found I didn't get so shy 506 00:23:49,223 --> 00:23:51,141 if I sort of adopted a character, 507 00:23:51,141 --> 00:23:52,974 so it was a convenience 508 00:23:52,974 --> 00:23:55,099 as well as a very bright theatrical idea. 509 00:23:56,682 --> 00:23:58,682 ♪ Didn't know what time it was ♪ 510 00:23:58,682 --> 00:24:01,515 ♪ Lights were low ♪ 511 00:24:01,515 --> 00:24:03,599 ♪ I leaned back ♪ 512 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:06,432 ♪ On my radio ♪ 513 00:24:06,432 --> 00:24:08,724 ♪ Some cat was laying down some ♪ 514 00:24:08,724 --> 00:24:11,182 ♪ Get it on rock and roll ♪ 515 00:24:11,182 --> 00:24:12,390 ♪ He said ♪ 516 00:24:13,974 --> 00:24:18,807 ♪ Then the loud sound did seem to fade ♪ 517 00:24:18,807 --> 00:24:20,891 ♪ Came back like a slow voice ♪ 518 00:24:20,891 --> 00:24:23,807 ♪ On a wave of phase haze ♪ 519 00:24:23,807 --> 00:24:25,891 ♪ That weren't no DJ ♪ 520 00:24:25,891 --> 00:24:28,932 ♪ That was hazy cosmic jive ♪ 521 00:24:30,348 --> 00:24:31,599 ♪ Uh-huh ♪ 522 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,765 ♪ There's a starman ♪ 523 00:24:35,765 --> 00:24:38,016 ♪ Waiting in the sky ♪ 524 00:24:38,016 --> 00:24:40,724 ♪ He'd like to come and meet us ♪ 525 00:24:40,724 --> 00:24:42,932 ♪ But he thinks he'd blow our minds ♪ 526 00:24:42,932 --> 00:24:45,891 ♪ And there's a starman ♪ 527 00:24:45,891 --> 00:24:48,432 ♪ Waiting in the sky ♪ 528 00:24:48,432 --> 00:24:50,599 ♪ He told us not to blow it ♪ 529 00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:52,557 ♪ 'Cause he knows it's all worthwhile ♪ 530 00:24:52,557 --> 00:24:56,390 ♪ He told me let the children use it ♪ 531 00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:58,932 ♪ Let the children lose it ♪ 532 00:24:58,932 --> 00:25:01,807 ♪ Let all the children boogie ♪ 533 00:25:01,807 --> 00:25:03,849 - Have you always wanted to be a star? 534 00:25:03,849 --> 00:25:05,099 - Yeah. 535 00:25:05,099 --> 00:25:07,265 It's more than being a star. 536 00:25:07,265 --> 00:25:10,223 What it is, really, is I want to be 537 00:25:10,223 --> 00:25:11,432 productive. 538 00:25:11,432 --> 00:25:13,390 I'm not content to be 539 00:25:13,390 --> 00:25:16,473 just a rock-and-roll star all my life. 540 00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:20,057 I am trying to be one at the moment, 541 00:25:20,057 --> 00:25:22,599 because I need it for a particular reason, 542 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,557 so I can get off and do other things. 543 00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:27,557 ♪ There's a starman ♪ 544 00:25:27,557 --> 00:25:29,182 ♪ Waiting in the sky ♪ 545 00:25:29,182 --> 00:25:32,099 ♪ He told us not to blow it ♪ 546 00:25:32,099 --> 00:25:34,265 ♪ 'Cause he knows it's all worthwhile ♪ 547 00:25:34,265 --> 00:25:35,390 ♪ He told me ♪ 548 00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:38,016 ♪ Let the children use it ♪ 549 00:25:38,016 --> 00:25:40,432 ♪ Let the children lose it ♪ 550 00:25:40,432 --> 00:25:42,765 ♪ Let all the children boogie ♪ 551 00:25:43,849 --> 00:25:46,807 - You could feel that David 552 00:25:46,807 --> 00:25:49,307 wanted to be the greatest artist 553 00:25:49,307 --> 00:25:51,599 and the next Elvis Presley. 554 00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:54,640 You could feel it from every pore of his body. 555 00:25:58,099 --> 00:26:00,974 He would bring me up to his suite 556 00:26:00,974 --> 00:26:05,223 and we would watch Elvis Presley videos 557 00:26:05,223 --> 00:26:06,724 and Frank Sinatra, 558 00:26:06,724 --> 00:26:07,807 and we'd have discussions 559 00:26:07,807 --> 00:26:08,974 about it, 560 00:26:08,974 --> 00:26:10,682 and he would do certain moves, 561 00:26:10,682 --> 00:26:12,307 and does this seem right and natural, all that. 562 00:26:12,307 --> 00:26:13,724 I mean, he was interested 563 00:26:13,724 --> 00:26:15,557 to look at those people 564 00:26:15,557 --> 00:26:17,390 and set such icons 565 00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:19,891 as his goals. 566 00:26:19,891 --> 00:26:22,141 - Oh, yes, David wanted to be famous. 567 00:26:22,141 --> 00:26:24,807 David wanted to be an icon 568 00:26:24,807 --> 00:26:26,515 like he is now. 569 00:26:26,515 --> 00:26:28,223 He would say things to me like 570 00:26:28,223 --> 00:26:30,807 "You have to be someone that 571 00:26:30,807 --> 00:26:32,390 "thousands and millions 572 00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:33,640 "of people 573 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,515 "want to listen to 574 00:26:35,515 --> 00:26:37,557 and...and believe in." 575 00:26:42,974 --> 00:26:44,640 But he once said, too, 576 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,348 that being super-successful 577 00:26:46,348 --> 00:26:48,515 was like living in a goldfish bowl, 578 00:26:48,515 --> 00:26:49,807 and it was for him, 579 00:26:49,807 --> 00:26:50,974 because people became 580 00:26:50,974 --> 00:26:52,724 totally obsessed with him. 581 00:26:52,724 --> 00:26:55,182 - ♪ Fame makes a man ♪ 582 00:26:55,182 --> 00:26:58,099 ♪ Take things over ♪ 583 00:26:58,099 --> 00:27:00,016 Do you know that feeling you get in a car 584 00:27:00,016 --> 00:27:01,724 when someone's accelerating very, very fast, 585 00:27:01,724 --> 00:27:03,432 and you're not driving, and you get 586 00:27:03,432 --> 00:27:05,223 that thing in your chest when you're being 587 00:27:05,223 --> 00:27:07,141 forced backwards, and you think, "Ooh," 588 00:27:07,141 --> 00:27:08,932 and you're not sure whether you like it or not? 589 00:27:08,932 --> 00:27:10,182 It's that kind of feeling. 590 00:27:10,182 --> 00:27:11,473 That's what success was like. 591 00:27:11,473 --> 00:27:13,599 The first thrust 592 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:15,974 of being totally unknown, 593 00:27:15,974 --> 00:27:18,057 to being what seemed to be 594 00:27:18,057 --> 00:27:19,974 very quickly known. 595 00:27:19,974 --> 00:27:21,932 It was very frightening for me. 596 00:27:21,932 --> 00:27:24,141 ♪ Fame puts you there ♪ 597 00:27:24,141 --> 00:27:25,724 ♪ Where things are hollow ♪ 598 00:27:28,724 --> 00:27:31,849 - I'm not sure if he can handle it consistently, 599 00:27:31,849 --> 00:27:35,390 because it is a demanding mistress 600 00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:37,640 that doesn't take "no" for an answer 601 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,307 and is on-call 24 hours, 602 00:27:39,307 --> 00:27:41,057 and so it makes you 603 00:27:41,057 --> 00:27:42,348 a little bit more paranoid 604 00:27:42,348 --> 00:27:43,932 than you used to, doesn't it? 605 00:27:43,932 --> 00:27:46,182 And now we're being looked upon 606 00:27:46,182 --> 00:27:49,307 as we have to deliver something. 607 00:27:49,307 --> 00:27:51,016 The minute you go outside, "Ooh, let me look 608 00:27:51,016 --> 00:27:52,724 a certain way. I'm famous now." 609 00:27:52,724 --> 00:27:54,891 - ♪ Fame ♪ 610 00:27:54,891 --> 00:27:57,891 - ♪ What you need is in the limo ♪ 611 00:27:57,891 --> 00:27:59,974 - ♪ Fame ♪ 612 00:27:59,974 --> 00:28:04,057 - ♪ What you get is no tomorrow ♪ 613 00:28:04,057 --> 00:28:05,599 - ♪ Fame ♪ 614 00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,974 - ♪ What you need you have to borrow ♪ 615 00:28:08,974 --> 00:28:11,182 - ♪ Fame ♪ - ♪ Fame ♪ 616 00:28:14,223 --> 00:28:16,223 - ♪ Fame ♪ - ♪ Mine, it's mine ♪ 617 00:28:16,223 --> 00:28:17,515 ♪ Is just his line ♪ 618 00:28:17,515 --> 00:28:19,348 ♪ To bind you to crime ♪ 619 00:28:19,348 --> 00:28:22,099 - ♪ Crime ♪ - ♪ Crime ♪ 620 00:28:22,099 --> 00:28:24,682 - Do I have to do it for, uh... 621 00:28:24,682 --> 00:28:26,057 - Because this rock-star thing... 622 00:28:26,057 --> 00:28:27,223 you once described it as being 623 00:28:27,223 --> 00:28:28,515 a "dreadful existence." 624 00:28:28,515 --> 00:28:29,891 - In a sort of, um, 625 00:28:29,891 --> 00:28:32,057 a very luxuriant mental hospital... 626 00:28:32,057 --> 00:28:33,348 - So you can rehearse in... 627 00:28:33,348 --> 00:28:34,557 - Where you're sort of 628 00:28:34,557 --> 00:28:37,348 put in a padded room 629 00:28:37,348 --> 00:28:39,348 and meals are brought to you, and the only time 630 00:28:39,348 --> 00:28:41,099 you're sort of let out on your lead 631 00:28:41,099 --> 00:28:43,182 is when you're supposed to go and earn money for 632 00:28:43,182 --> 00:28:45,473 just about everybody else except yourself. 633 00:28:45,473 --> 00:28:47,390 ♪ Is it any wonder ♪ 634 00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:50,348 ♪ I reject you first? ♪ 635 00:28:50,348 --> 00:28:52,974 ♪ Fame, fame, fame, fame ♪ 636 00:28:52,974 --> 00:28:56,099 ♪ Fame ♪ 637 00:28:56,099 --> 00:28:58,016 ♪ Is it any wonder ♪ 638 00:28:58,016 --> 00:29:00,557 ♪ You're far too cool to fool ♪ 639 00:29:00,557 --> 00:29:02,515 ♪ Fame ♪ - ♪ Fame ♪ 640 00:29:02,515 --> 00:29:04,807 - Did David enjoy being a star? 641 00:29:04,807 --> 00:29:07,265 I would say what he said to me. 642 00:29:07,265 --> 00:29:08,765 "It's great 643 00:29:08,765 --> 00:29:11,682 "when you want to get tickets for a concert, 644 00:29:11,682 --> 00:29:14,682 "when you want to get backstage and see your friends, 645 00:29:14,682 --> 00:29:17,348 "or if you want a good table at a restaurant, 646 00:29:17,348 --> 00:29:20,016 but the rest of the time, it's a pain in the ass." 647 00:29:20,016 --> 00:29:21,390 And I think that's 648 00:29:21,390 --> 00:29:23,640 pretty much a verbatim quote. 649 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,016 I watched him deal with it 650 00:29:26,016 --> 00:29:27,432 too many times. 651 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:30,724 That was his view on it. 652 00:29:30,724 --> 00:29:32,099 - I didn't...we didn't... 653 00:29:32,099 --> 00:29:35,849 - I find this an incredible intrusion. 654 00:29:35,849 --> 00:29:38,432 Fuck off. 655 00:29:38,432 --> 00:29:39,932 - That's the...you know that's the only bit 656 00:29:39,932 --> 00:29:40,974 we're gonna use, don't you? 657 00:29:40,974 --> 00:29:43,599 Yeah. 658 00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:46,265 I know when to pick me lines. 659 00:29:48,932 --> 00:29:50,265 Yeah, that's better. 660 00:29:51,849 --> 00:29:54,765 - Once he experienced the fame, 661 00:29:54,765 --> 00:29:58,348 and all that comes with that, 662 00:29:58,348 --> 00:30:01,099 I think he was done with it. 663 00:30:01,099 --> 00:30:03,932 And he was done with it, 664 00:30:03,932 --> 00:30:05,891 and I think he realized 665 00:30:05,891 --> 00:30:07,432 he made a deal with the devil 666 00:30:07,432 --> 00:30:09,307 and it'd be the rest of his life 667 00:30:09,307 --> 00:30:10,724 trying to undo that. 668 00:30:12,057 --> 00:30:13,348 - Happy hump day, Phil. 669 00:30:13,348 --> 00:30:16,223 - Ha! I didn't get humped. You? 670 00:30:16,223 --> 00:30:18,932 - Yeah. 671 00:30:18,932 --> 00:30:21,099 - Some people, huh? They just get lost. 672 00:30:21,099 --> 00:30:22,599 - Well, it's more exciting 673 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:24,932 than anything we've got around here. 674 00:30:24,932 --> 00:30:28,141 - Well, I wouldn't say that. 675 00:30:28,141 --> 00:30:30,765 We have a nice life. 676 00:30:30,765 --> 00:30:32,599 - We have a nice life. 677 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:34,057 - The idea that he had for 678 00:30:34,057 --> 00:30:36,640 "The Stars Are Out Tonight" video 679 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,724 was that there were celebrities 680 00:30:38,724 --> 00:30:41,765 that were stalking normal people 681 00:30:41,765 --> 00:30:43,307 to study them, 682 00:30:43,307 --> 00:30:45,807 and then he whipped out the photograph 683 00:30:45,807 --> 00:30:47,724 of Tilda Swinton, 684 00:30:47,724 --> 00:30:48,932 and I was like, 685 00:30:48,932 --> 00:30:50,141 "Okay, that's fantastic." 686 00:30:50,141 --> 00:30:51,390 You know, him and Tilda 687 00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:53,682 were to play the normal couple. 688 00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:58,307 David really wanted to play up 689 00:30:58,307 --> 00:30:59,807 the androgyny card, 690 00:30:59,807 --> 00:31:01,348 because, you know, I mean, 691 00:31:01,348 --> 00:31:03,307 he is the androgynous being 692 00:31:03,307 --> 00:31:05,057 that we've grown up with. 693 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,891 So I cast boys in the girl's parts 694 00:31:08,891 --> 00:31:10,599 and girls in the boy's parts. 695 00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,682 - ♪ Are never sleeping ♪ 696 00:31:12,682 --> 00:31:14,974 - At that stage, I think he was 697 00:31:14,974 --> 00:31:16,515 able to definitely 698 00:31:16,515 --> 00:31:18,682 sit back and reflect on 699 00:31:18,682 --> 00:31:20,891 what fame meant, 700 00:31:20,891 --> 00:31:23,057 and I think that song, in a way, 701 00:31:23,057 --> 00:31:24,640 is kind of like... that's why it's 702 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,223 "the stars are never sleeping." 703 00:31:26,223 --> 00:31:27,849 It's like, you can't escape it. 704 00:31:27,849 --> 00:31:30,348 - ♪ They know just what we do ♪ 705 00:31:30,348 --> 00:31:34,515 ♪ That we toss and turn at night ♪ 706 00:31:34,515 --> 00:31:38,016 ♪ They're waiting to make their moves ♪ 707 00:31:38,016 --> 00:31:41,223 ♪ For the stars are out tonight ♪ 708 00:31:41,223 --> 00:31:44,807 - ♪ Tonight ♪ 709 00:31:44,807 --> 00:31:47,057 - Eventually, the celebrities... 710 00:31:47,057 --> 00:31:48,473 they are in their home. 711 00:31:48,473 --> 00:31:51,557 And when they come into the home, 712 00:31:51,557 --> 00:31:54,223 there's a transfer that happens... 713 00:31:56,390 --> 00:31:59,473 And now, the normal people 714 00:31:59,473 --> 00:32:01,557 are dressed like celebrity, 715 00:32:01,557 --> 00:32:04,390 and the celebrities have succeeded 716 00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:07,099 in becoming the normal people. 717 00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:09,682 You know, as an artist, you collect things, 718 00:32:09,682 --> 00:32:10,891 and he's had years of 719 00:32:10,891 --> 00:32:12,057 not having to put things out, 720 00:32:12,057 --> 00:32:13,724 and so he's collecting things 721 00:32:13,724 --> 00:32:15,265 he wants to sort of 722 00:32:15,265 --> 00:32:17,099 hold up a mirror and say, 723 00:32:17,099 --> 00:32:18,182 "Hey, look at this over here. 724 00:32:18,182 --> 00:32:19,390 Look at this over here," 725 00:32:19,390 --> 00:32:20,599 and, you know, comment on it, 726 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:21,932 but make it, you know, 727 00:32:21,932 --> 00:32:23,099 in an artistic way. 728 00:32:26,807 --> 00:32:29,432 - ♪ The stars are out tonight ♪ 729 00:32:29,432 --> 00:32:31,849 ♪ Living ♪ 730 00:32:38,765 --> 00:32:40,099 - Do you ever look back? 731 00:32:40,099 --> 00:32:42,765 - Uh, only with fond amusement, 732 00:32:42,765 --> 00:32:44,099 you know, 'cause I've done 733 00:32:44,099 --> 00:32:45,765 such a lot of work in 40 years 734 00:32:45,765 --> 00:32:47,057 and it's only recently 735 00:32:47,057 --> 00:32:48,473 that maybe I've started to 736 00:32:48,473 --> 00:32:50,265 write in a kind of, uh, 737 00:32:50,265 --> 00:32:51,849 autobiographical way, 738 00:32:51,849 --> 00:32:53,932 and this maybe something to do with age 739 00:32:53,932 --> 00:32:56,057 and the way that one matures. 740 00:33:06,265 --> 00:33:07,473 - Then... 741 00:33:08,974 --> 00:33:10,265 I don't recall 742 00:33:10,265 --> 00:33:11,473 David on the sessions 743 00:33:11,473 --> 00:33:12,891 really talking a lot about 744 00:33:12,891 --> 00:33:14,141 being old. 745 00:33:14,141 --> 00:33:15,473 I think maybe he would joke that 746 00:33:15,473 --> 00:33:17,307 he would wear his slippers, you know. 747 00:33:17,307 --> 00:33:19,432 He had his slippers brought down, 748 00:33:19,432 --> 00:33:21,307 and he would pop his slip... you know, 749 00:33:21,307 --> 00:33:22,974 when he got to the studio, he would pop his slippers on. 750 00:33:22,974 --> 00:33:25,307 We made a few jokes about that. 751 00:33:25,307 --> 00:33:27,932 - ♪ Where are we now? ♪ 752 00:33:27,932 --> 00:33:31,307 ♪ Where are we now? ♪ 753 00:33:33,557 --> 00:33:36,682 - So David came in with a piano demo 754 00:33:38,682 --> 00:33:41,932 This was the DB piano... David Bowie piano. 755 00:33:44,682 --> 00:33:46,348 It's got a combination of piano 756 00:33:46,348 --> 00:33:48,348 and strings on the patch. 757 00:33:48,348 --> 00:33:50,265 I couldn't take the strings off, 758 00:33:50,265 --> 00:33:51,682 so those strings are 759 00:33:51,682 --> 00:33:53,515 him playing at home. 760 00:33:55,473 --> 00:33:57,016 - We found this kind of atmosphere 761 00:33:57,016 --> 00:33:58,182 in the demo. 762 00:33:58,182 --> 00:33:59,849 The next time we played that, 763 00:33:59,849 --> 00:34:01,348 it was when we went in the studio 764 00:34:01,348 --> 00:34:02,682 and Zack was there. 765 00:34:03,849 --> 00:34:06,557 - I should add the drum. 766 00:34:08,849 --> 00:34:10,390 - David's instruction, I remember, 767 00:34:10,390 --> 00:34:13,265 specifically was, 768 00:34:13,265 --> 00:34:16,473 "One... 769 00:34:16,473 --> 00:34:17,682 One." 770 00:34:17,682 --> 00:34:19,348 He just said, "Emphasize the one," 771 00:34:19,348 --> 00:34:20,765 so... 772 00:34:28,390 --> 00:34:30,348 - If I add David, 773 00:34:30,348 --> 00:34:32,265 it's practically it. 774 00:34:38,265 --> 00:34:39,473 That's... 775 00:34:39,473 --> 00:34:41,599 - ♪ Where are we now? ♪ 776 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:45,307 ♪ Where are we now? ♪ 777 00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:53,932 ♪ The moment you know ♪ 778 00:34:53,932 --> 00:34:57,432 ♪ You know you know ♪ 779 00:34:57,432 --> 00:34:59,557 - Out of the blue, he called me up 780 00:34:59,557 --> 00:35:03,390 and said he'd like to talk to me about something. 781 00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:05,682 He explained this situation, 782 00:35:05,682 --> 00:35:08,724 that he had been secretly working on this track, 783 00:35:08,724 --> 00:35:10,682 and I was like, "Oh, that's fantastic." 784 00:35:10,682 --> 00:35:11,932 You know, 785 00:35:11,932 --> 00:35:13,473 "What do I have to do with it?" 786 00:35:13,473 --> 00:35:14,724 and he goes, "Well, I'd like you to make 787 00:35:14,724 --> 00:35:15,932 the video for that." 788 00:35:17,473 --> 00:35:19,974 Oh, that's quite a task, you know? 789 00:35:19,974 --> 00:35:21,473 I was thinking 790 00:35:21,473 --> 00:35:23,390 this big-budget video, you know, 791 00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:25,599 and I was thinking, "God, to do this justice, 792 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:26,974 "you know, it has to be this 793 00:35:26,974 --> 00:35:29,223 "momentous video, you know, 794 00:35:29,223 --> 00:35:30,765 "that's gonna break the silence 795 00:35:30,765 --> 00:35:33,141 of all these years," you know, 796 00:35:33,141 --> 00:35:34,724 and David said, 797 00:35:34,724 --> 00:35:36,141 "No, I want to do it, like, 798 00:35:36,141 --> 00:35:37,640 "in your studio. 799 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,932 "It'll be these figures. 800 00:35:39,932 --> 00:35:41,724 Very simple, rough." 801 00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:52,265 - These figures were something I was making 802 00:35:52,265 --> 00:35:54,724 like, fairly exclusively, 803 00:35:54,724 --> 00:35:56,765 and did a number of exhibitions of them, 804 00:35:56,765 --> 00:35:59,974 and David, of course, loved these figures. 805 00:35:59,974 --> 00:36:01,765 You know. 806 00:36:01,765 --> 00:36:03,932 - ♪ Just walk in the day ♪ 807 00:36:03,932 --> 00:36:06,515 - I did a rough sketch, and I was like, 808 00:36:06,515 --> 00:36:08,473 "This is what you had in mind, right?" 809 00:36:08,473 --> 00:36:11,640 This rough-hewn stretched face, you know. 810 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,765 It's not very flattering, 811 00:36:13,765 --> 00:36:16,473 but that's exactly what he wanted 812 00:36:16,473 --> 00:36:19,141 to look actually beyond 813 00:36:19,141 --> 00:36:22,057 what the years had done to him. 814 00:36:22,057 --> 00:36:24,974 It's a strange... you know, through the... 815 00:36:24,974 --> 00:36:26,640 Here, he's leaving. 816 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,182 He's had enough. 817 00:36:30,682 --> 00:36:34,182 He's like, "Stop going on about my face." 818 00:36:34,182 --> 00:36:37,724 - ♪ Where are we now ♪ 819 00:36:37,724 --> 00:36:40,348 - So the idea was that 820 00:36:40,348 --> 00:36:42,182 he wanted all this stuff 821 00:36:42,182 --> 00:36:44,515 in the studio situation, 822 00:36:44,515 --> 00:36:47,182 and we kind of arranged things around 823 00:36:47,182 --> 00:36:50,099 and we talked about transparency 824 00:36:50,099 --> 00:36:51,557 and reflection, 825 00:36:51,557 --> 00:36:54,682 and as this was coming together, 826 00:36:54,682 --> 00:36:57,849 I said to him, "You know, 827 00:36:57,849 --> 00:37:00,682 people can read into every part of this." 828 00:37:26,682 --> 00:37:31,432 - This one is perhaps the most deliberately 829 00:37:31,432 --> 00:37:34,974 a nostalgic look into his past, 830 00:37:34,974 --> 00:37:38,307 and, um, he's talking about all the old places... 831 00:37:38,307 --> 00:37:41,057 - Yeah. - That he frequented in Berlin, 832 00:37:41,057 --> 00:37:42,807 and it's deliberately sad. 833 00:37:42,807 --> 00:37:45,473 He's in the latter part of his life. 834 00:37:45,473 --> 00:37:47,057 Those days are gone. 835 00:37:47,057 --> 00:37:48,265 - Yeah. 836 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,599 - Berlin was the first freedom I'd had from 837 00:37:56,599 --> 00:38:00,099 all the so-called trappings of, uh, celebrity 838 00:38:00,099 --> 00:38:02,724 and, uh...and my own problems. 839 00:38:02,724 --> 00:38:05,099 Really, I'm quite fond of 840 00:38:05,099 --> 00:38:07,348 that freedom that it gave me. 841 00:38:09,265 --> 00:38:12,473 I put myself in a very anonymous situation 842 00:38:12,473 --> 00:38:16,016 in a quite working-class part of Berlin, Turkish area, 843 00:38:16,016 --> 00:38:18,265 and started to live a different life, 844 00:38:18,265 --> 00:38:20,515 and I tried to distance myself 845 00:38:20,515 --> 00:38:22,765 from the very drug-oriented lifestyle 846 00:38:22,765 --> 00:38:24,016 that I'd been leading. 847 00:38:24,016 --> 00:38:27,891 ♪ Had to get the train ♪ 848 00:38:27,891 --> 00:38:31,682 ♪ From Potsdamer Platz ♪ 849 00:38:31,682 --> 00:38:33,974 It was just a tremendous place to be, 850 00:38:33,974 --> 00:38:36,640 and the music was some of the most rewarding, 851 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,390 for me as an artist, in my life. 852 00:38:43,141 --> 00:38:45,724 ♪ I will be king ♪ 853 00:38:49,016 --> 00:38:52,057 ♪ And you ♪ 854 00:38:52,057 --> 00:38:54,724 ♪ You will be queen ♪ 855 00:38:57,348 --> 00:38:59,807 ♪ Though nothing ♪ 856 00:39:01,016 --> 00:39:03,473 ♪ Will drive them away ♪ 857 00:39:06,348 --> 00:39:08,265 ♪ We can beat them ♪ 858 00:39:09,932 --> 00:39:11,932 ♪ Forever and ever ♪ 859 00:39:14,348 --> 00:39:16,348 ♪ Oh, we can be heroes ♪ 860 00:39:19,141 --> 00:39:21,348 ♪ Just for one day ♪ 861 00:39:24,682 --> 00:39:28,307 ♪ I ♪ 862 00:39:28,307 --> 00:39:30,223 ♪ I can remember ♪ 863 00:39:30,223 --> 00:39:32,724 - ♪ I remember ♪ 864 00:39:32,724 --> 00:39:37,182 - ♪ Standing ♪ 865 00:39:37,182 --> 00:39:39,016 ♪ By the wall ♪ 866 00:39:39,016 --> 00:39:41,348 - But you can't read "Where Are We Now?" 867 00:39:41,348 --> 00:39:45,724 as just a nostalgic story about Berlin at all. 868 00:39:45,724 --> 00:39:47,640 You know? But I mean, really, 869 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,724 it's much more how memories 870 00:39:50,724 --> 00:39:54,765 affect the way we move forward or not. 871 00:39:58,307 --> 00:40:00,390 - The Song for Norway T-shirt... 872 00:40:00,390 --> 00:40:02,099 I said, "That's very cheeky," 873 00:40:02,099 --> 00:40:03,307 and he goes, "I know." 874 00:40:03,307 --> 00:40:04,557 It was something like that. 875 00:40:04,557 --> 00:40:06,473 And, uh, he never explained 876 00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:07,724 why he wore it. 877 00:40:07,724 --> 00:40:10,682 ♪ ♪ 878 00:40:10,682 --> 00:40:13,265 - The name is Hermione Farthingale, 879 00:40:13,265 --> 00:40:15,016 and I absolutely adored her. 880 00:40:15,016 --> 00:40:17,932 I mean, she was the real first love in my life, 881 00:40:17,932 --> 00:40:19,849 and she was a ballet dancer 882 00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:21,849 and, uh, a very good l...singer, 883 00:40:21,849 --> 00:40:24,057 and, uh, she played a little bit of 884 00:40:24,057 --> 00:40:25,891 bed/sitting room guitar. 885 00:40:25,891 --> 00:40:27,891 You know, that kind of folk guitar that every girl 886 00:40:27,891 --> 00:40:29,891 could...that looked beautiful could play in those... 887 00:40:29,891 --> 00:40:32,057 I don't know why, but all the beautiful girls 888 00:40:32,057 --> 00:40:36,515 could play a little bit of acoustic guitar. 889 00:40:36,515 --> 00:40:40,223 She was doing a film called "Song of Norway," 890 00:40:40,223 --> 00:40:41,932 and she fell in love with one of 891 00:40:41,932 --> 00:40:44,390 the actors on it, and she left me for him 892 00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:48,307 God, I didn't get over that for such a long time. 893 00:40:48,307 --> 00:40:51,182 It really broke me up. 894 00:40:51,182 --> 00:40:54,016 - I did see David when 895 00:40:54,016 --> 00:40:55,557 he'd just separated from her, 896 00:40:55,557 --> 00:40:58,473 and he was very, very upset. 897 00:40:58,473 --> 00:41:00,182 I think it was also 898 00:41:00,182 --> 00:41:01,390 he was working with her, 899 00:41:01,390 --> 00:41:02,599 so it was a double thing 900 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:04,265 that he'd lost his girlfriend 901 00:41:04,265 --> 00:41:06,473 and he'd lost someone in his... 902 00:41:06,473 --> 00:41:08,265 in his, uh, band. 903 00:41:08,265 --> 00:41:09,765 I don't know which one was the worse, 904 00:41:09,765 --> 00:41:11,265 to be honest, but, uh, 905 00:41:11,265 --> 00:41:13,016 yeah, it hit him pretty hard. 906 00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:18,348 - I think he wanted to release something 907 00:41:18,348 --> 00:41:20,640 that would cause a lot of ripples 908 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,640 and, uh, question marks all around, 909 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,432 and he was able to get that with this. 910 00:41:33,473 --> 00:41:35,932 - ♪ As long as there's sun ♪ 911 00:41:45,141 --> 00:41:48,141 ♪ As long as there's rain ♪ 912 00:41:50,891 --> 00:41:54,223 ♪ As long as there's fire ♪ 913 00:41:56,807 --> 00:41:59,765 ♪ As long as there's fire ♪ 914 00:41:59,765 --> 00:42:01,515 - I knew this was about Berlin, 915 00:42:01,515 --> 00:42:03,473 and I thought it was really, really sweet 916 00:42:03,473 --> 00:42:06,432 and quite nostalgic, but, uh, 917 00:42:06,432 --> 00:42:08,932 the thing that really made me teary-eyed 918 00:42:08,932 --> 00:42:12,390 was when I saw the video for it. 919 00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:13,682 Oh, my gosh. 920 00:42:13,682 --> 00:42:15,099 You know, I thought, 921 00:42:15,099 --> 00:42:16,932 "I'd never expect him to look back. 922 00:42:16,932 --> 00:42:18,807 You know, this is a new thing for him." 923 00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:39,599 - I think, because of my orientation 924 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:41,724 towards the apocalyptic, 925 00:42:41,724 --> 00:42:43,932 I think it rather hones that 926 00:42:43,932 --> 00:42:47,057 low-level anxiety, 927 00:42:47,057 --> 00:42:48,390 especially the...you know, 928 00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:50,432 the event of a new child. 929 00:42:50,432 --> 00:42:53,599 My daughter really sort of focused my 930 00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:55,599 fears and apprehensions. 931 00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,682 I mean, what a disappointing 21st century 932 00:42:58,682 --> 00:43:01,724 this has been so far, you know? 933 00:43:17,849 --> 00:43:21,057 - I have to say, this track has swagger. 934 00:43:21,057 --> 00:43:23,141 All this loose playing... it's all on purpose. 935 00:43:23,141 --> 00:43:26,307 But we didn't want it to get too fancy, 936 00:43:26,307 --> 00:43:28,932 and it had to sound like a bunch of high school kids 937 00:43:28,932 --> 00:43:30,682 playing their instruments. 938 00:43:38,223 --> 00:43:39,932 Very, very cheesy-sounding, 939 00:43:39,932 --> 00:43:41,724 but perfect for this song, 940 00:43:41,724 --> 00:43:43,432 because of the lyrical content of the song, 941 00:43:43,432 --> 00:43:45,765 about this, you know, person called Valentine 942 00:43:45,765 --> 00:43:48,515 who, uh, is a mass murderer. 943 00:43:51,807 --> 00:43:54,265 - I mean, "Valentine's Day," 944 00:43:54,265 --> 00:43:55,765 from a musical point of view, 945 00:43:55,765 --> 00:43:57,515 that's...that is way old. 946 00:43:57,515 --> 00:43:58,849 That's like, old-school. 947 00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:59,932 All those chord changes, 948 00:43:59,932 --> 00:44:01,265 that whole thing. 949 00:44:01,265 --> 00:44:03,348 but if you listen to the lyrics, 950 00:44:03,348 --> 00:44:04,932 there's subject matter there. 951 00:44:04,932 --> 00:44:10,307 - ♪ Valentine told me who's to go ♪ 952 00:44:16,223 --> 00:44:21,141 ♪ Feelings he's treasured most of all ♪ 953 00:44:21,141 --> 00:44:23,473 - There had been a number of incidents 954 00:44:23,473 --> 00:44:25,390 prior to creating this song 955 00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:27,141 that had moved him. 956 00:44:27,141 --> 00:44:28,640 I think he was really troubled 957 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,348 by this trend of 958 00:44:30,348 --> 00:44:32,265 people going and shooting kids. 959 00:44:32,265 --> 00:44:36,141 - ♪ The teachers and the football star ♪ 960 00:44:38,432 --> 00:44:41,640 ♪ It's in his tiny face ♪ 961 00:44:43,891 --> 00:44:46,515 ♪ It's in his scrawny hand ♪ 962 00:44:48,807 --> 00:44:51,974 ♪ Valentine told me so ♪ 963 00:44:51,974 --> 00:44:54,390 ♪ He's got something to say ♪ 964 00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:59,141 ♪ It's Valentine's Day ♪ 965 00:44:59,141 --> 00:45:01,016 - But he really wanted to bring the audience 966 00:45:01,016 --> 00:45:03,141 into the mind of that killer, 967 00:45:03,141 --> 00:45:05,223 and, uh, that transition 968 00:45:05,223 --> 00:45:08,099 from sort of the David that we know 969 00:45:08,099 --> 00:45:10,016 to this other character 970 00:45:10,016 --> 00:45:12,849 that he was inhabiting in this song 971 00:45:12,849 --> 00:45:15,057 was, uh, very shocking, really. 972 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,849 - ♪ Valentine told me how he'd feel ♪ 973 00:45:25,682 --> 00:45:26,807 - ♪ Ooh ♪ 974 00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,891 - ♪ If all the world ♪ 975 00:45:28,891 --> 00:45:31,932 ♪ Were under his heels ♪ 976 00:45:31,932 --> 00:45:33,599 - Being right there in front of him 977 00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,223 and seeing him pull this out of himself... 978 00:45:36,223 --> 00:45:37,557 you know, it was a... 979 00:45:37,557 --> 00:45:40,640 it was quite terrifying to watch. 980 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,307 - ♪ His tiny face ♪ 981 00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:47,182 ♪ It's in his scrawny hands ♪ 982 00:45:47,182 --> 00:45:50,724 - I really wanted to introduce a weapon into the video, 983 00:45:50,724 --> 00:45:52,390 and David was really against it. 984 00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:53,765 He didn't want any guns, 985 00:45:53,765 --> 00:45:55,557 he didn't want any blood. 986 00:45:55,557 --> 00:45:57,932 But he was very much aware of 987 00:45:57,932 --> 00:46:00,182 making a statement about gun control, 988 00:46:00,182 --> 00:46:03,640 and the importance of that, in his own style. 989 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,599 - To defeat the divisive forces 990 00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:08,432 that would take freedom away, 991 00:46:08,432 --> 00:46:10,932 I want to say those fighting words... 992 00:46:11,932 --> 00:46:15,057 "From my cold, dead hands." 993 00:46:17,557 --> 00:46:20,515 - ♪ It's in his scrawny hand ♪ 994 00:46:20,515 --> 00:46:23,599 ♪ It's in his icy heart ♪ 995 00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:25,432 ♪ It's happening today ♪ 996 00:46:25,432 --> 00:46:28,724 ♪ Valentine, Valentine ♪ 997 00:46:28,724 --> 00:46:30,932 - He was very interested in society. 998 00:46:30,932 --> 00:46:33,432 You know, what makes people operate, 999 00:46:33,432 --> 00:46:35,473 what makes societies operate, 1000 00:46:35,473 --> 00:46:38,765 and that was one of his less cryptic 1001 00:46:38,765 --> 00:46:42,265 and more straight-up lyrics that he's ever written. 1002 00:46:45,265 --> 00:46:46,974 - I'm not an original thinker. 1003 00:46:46,974 --> 00:46:49,891 What I'm best at doing is, uh, synthesizing 1004 00:46:49,891 --> 00:46:52,849 those things in society or culture 1005 00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:54,682 refracting those things 1006 00:46:54,682 --> 00:46:57,265 and producing some kind of glob 1007 00:46:57,265 --> 00:47:00,640 of how it is that we live at this particular time. 1008 00:47:04,265 --> 00:47:09,348 ♪ Pushing through the market square ♪ 1009 00:47:09,348 --> 00:47:16,141 ♪ So many mothers crying ♪ 1010 00:47:16,141 --> 00:47:19,307 ♪ News had just come over ♪ 1011 00:47:22,265 --> 00:47:26,141 ♪ We had five years left to sigh in ♪ 1012 00:47:28,932 --> 00:47:32,682 ♪ News guy wept when he told us ♪ 1013 00:47:35,016 --> 00:47:37,599 ♪ Earth was really dying ♪ 1014 00:47:41,682 --> 00:47:46,057 ♪ Cried so much that his face was wet ♪ 1015 00:47:46,057 --> 00:47:49,515 ♪ That I knew he was not lying ♪ 1016 00:47:51,099 --> 00:47:53,265 - He let you know something's not right here. 1017 00:47:53,265 --> 00:47:54,891 So that's the best I knew. 1018 00:47:54,891 --> 00:47:56,515 He didn't come up with the solutions, 1019 00:47:56,515 --> 00:47:58,473 but at least he could express 1020 00:47:58,473 --> 00:48:01,099 and others could resonate with that. 1021 00:48:03,807 --> 00:48:07,099 - ♪ Girl my age went off her head ♪ 1022 00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:13,182 ♪ Hit some tiny children ♪ 1023 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,390 ♪ If the black hadn't've pulled her off ♪ 1024 00:48:23,432 --> 00:48:25,891 ♪ I think she would have killed them ♪ 1025 00:48:25,891 --> 00:48:28,057 I'm not a Dylan and I'm not a... 1026 00:48:28,057 --> 00:48:30,223 I'm not somebody who can sit down 1027 00:48:30,223 --> 00:48:32,390 and stoically write a clear picture 1028 00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:34,599 of what's happening, 1029 00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:36,390 but I can leave a very strong impression 1030 00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:38,141 of how I feel about it. 1031 00:48:38,141 --> 00:48:39,432 ♪ Five years ♪ 1032 00:48:39,432 --> 00:48:40,724 - ♪ Five years ♪ 1033 00:48:40,724 --> 00:48:43,932 - ♪ Do-do-do-do, yeah ♪ 1034 00:48:43,932 --> 00:48:46,557 - ♪ Five years ♪ 1035 00:48:46,557 --> 00:48:49,515 - ♪ Do-dun-a-ga-da-he-eh ♪ 1036 00:48:49,515 --> 00:48:52,390 - ♪ Five years ♪ 1037 00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:55,557 - ♪ Didn't hear ya ♪ 1038 00:48:55,557 --> 00:48:58,099 ♪ Five years ♪ 1039 00:48:58,099 --> 00:49:01,348 - ♪ That's all we've got ♪ 1040 00:49:01,348 --> 00:49:04,223 - ♪ Five ♪ 1041 00:49:23,432 --> 00:49:26,265 - It's very hard to not continue to re-address 1042 00:49:26,265 --> 00:49:28,057 the same subject matter endlessly. 1043 00:49:28,057 --> 00:49:30,599 I mean, I have a certain niche that I work in, 1044 00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:34,515 A lot of it, until recently, tends to be about alienation 1045 00:49:34,515 --> 00:49:37,307 and, uh, being on the outside of things. 1046 00:49:37,307 --> 00:49:39,557 ♪ It's the darkest hour ♪ 1047 00:49:42,765 --> 00:49:44,640 ♪ The voice of youth ♪ 1048 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,307 ♪ The hour of dread ♪ 1049 00:49:47,307 --> 00:49:48,849 That tends to be where 1050 00:49:48,849 --> 00:49:50,765 I feel more comfortable as a writer, 1051 00:49:50,765 --> 00:49:52,807 but I think one keeps re-addressing that situation 1052 00:49:52,807 --> 00:49:54,807 and trying to express it in a different way. 1053 00:49:54,807 --> 00:49:56,599 I guess that's what I do. 1054 00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:59,223 ♪ Love is lost ♪ 1055 00:49:59,223 --> 00:50:01,640 ♪ Lost is love ♪ 1056 00:50:13,974 --> 00:50:17,016 - When I spoke to David on the phone, 1057 00:50:17,016 --> 00:50:18,473 it was definitely, 1058 00:50:18,473 --> 00:50:19,807 "Don't say a word about this." 1059 00:50:19,807 --> 00:50:20,849 In fact, we even 1060 00:50:20,849 --> 00:50:21,891 had a code word for it, 1061 00:50:21,891 --> 00:50:23,141 so if anybody 1062 00:50:23,141 --> 00:50:24,849 intercepted the phone calls, 1063 00:50:24,849 --> 00:50:26,891 they wouldn't know we were talking about, 1064 00:50:26,891 --> 00:50:28,682 um, the album. 1065 00:50:28,682 --> 00:50:30,057 So the album was actually 1066 00:50:30,057 --> 00:50:32,932 code-named "the table." 1067 00:50:37,682 --> 00:50:39,348 There was a lot of discussion about 1068 00:50:39,348 --> 00:50:41,099 what the album would be called at the time. 1069 00:50:41,099 --> 00:50:42,849 It was quite gratifying to know that 1070 00:50:42,849 --> 00:50:44,891 not even David Bowie has everything planned out. 1071 00:50:46,557 --> 00:50:48,682 So it was possibly even called "Love is Lost." 1072 00:50:50,515 --> 00:50:53,057 Possibly going to be called "The Next Day," 1073 00:50:53,057 --> 00:50:55,265 possibly called "Where Are We Now?" 1074 00:50:55,265 --> 00:50:57,682 - ♪ Say hello to the lunatic men ♪ 1075 00:50:57,682 --> 00:51:00,348 - The thing that started the concept for the design 1076 00:51:00,348 --> 00:51:02,432 was this photograph. 1077 00:51:02,432 --> 00:51:05,640 It's from the '70s and he said, 1078 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,265 "I want to do something with this photo 1079 00:51:07,265 --> 00:51:08,724 for the cover," 1080 00:51:08,724 --> 00:51:10,390 which I found quite puzzling. 1081 00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:11,765 He was looking back on his life, 1082 00:51:11,765 --> 00:51:14,057 even looking at that image, 1083 00:51:14,057 --> 00:51:16,557 I really struggled with using the image, 1084 00:51:16,557 --> 00:51:19,473 and then it took Bowie to say "Jonathan, 1085 00:51:19,473 --> 00:51:21,265 "why don't you just 1086 00:51:21,265 --> 00:51:23,057 turn the image upside-down?" 1087 00:51:23,057 --> 00:51:24,473 And within that moment, 1088 00:51:24,473 --> 00:51:27,599 he subverted his whole history 1089 00:51:30,432 --> 00:51:32,432 So the process was to go through every record cover, 1090 00:51:32,432 --> 00:51:34,390 every printed image of him, 1091 00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:36,390 and see how we could subvert it. 1092 00:51:43,182 --> 00:51:45,432 The cover of "Heroes" really had 1093 00:51:45,432 --> 00:51:47,265 that youthful image of Bowie 1094 00:51:47,265 --> 00:51:49,682 looking forward to the future, 1095 00:51:49,682 --> 00:51:51,932 and the square obliterates it. 1096 00:51:51,932 --> 00:51:54,932 It's existentially talking about 1097 00:51:54,932 --> 00:51:57,307 someone who's coming closer to the end 1098 00:51:57,307 --> 00:51:59,932 of their life and looking back 1099 00:51:59,932 --> 00:52:02,599 on the past. 1100 00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,932 I really wasn't sure about it at the time, 1101 00:52:05,932 --> 00:52:08,265 to the point, in fact, where the night before 1102 00:52:08,265 --> 00:52:09,807 it was sent off to the record company, 1103 00:52:09,807 --> 00:52:11,682 I wrote to him and said, "Are you sure?" 1104 00:52:11,682 --> 00:52:13,016 And he actually said to me, 1105 00:52:13,016 --> 00:52:14,765 "No, this is...have faith, Jonathan. 1106 00:52:14,765 --> 00:52:15,932 "This is a good idea. 1107 00:52:15,932 --> 00:52:17,932 It's an original idea." 1108 00:52:17,932 --> 00:52:20,765 - ♪ I'd rather be high ♪ 1109 00:52:20,765 --> 00:52:23,432 - I think he was subverting people's expectation 1110 00:52:23,432 --> 00:52:26,640 because of the years away, 1111 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,765 so he could play with his image. 1112 00:52:28,765 --> 00:52:30,640 He wasn't a young man 1113 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,348 desperate to be original. 1114 00:52:33,348 --> 00:52:36,432 He was someone who lived life 1115 00:52:36,432 --> 00:52:39,016 and was not up for playing the game 1116 00:52:39,016 --> 00:52:40,807 of being in the media all the time. 1117 00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:48,099 Bowie was incredibly happy 1118 00:52:48,099 --> 00:52:49,849 that we'd managed to 1119 00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:52,099 keep this thing secret all this time. 1120 00:52:52,099 --> 00:52:54,640 We had accomplished something unique 1121 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,974 in a time when everybody 1122 00:52:56,974 --> 00:53:00,307 knows everything. 1123 00:53:00,307 --> 00:53:02,849 He was quite attracted to 1124 00:53:02,849 --> 00:53:06,348 all the furore around an album being released, 1125 00:53:06,348 --> 00:53:08,682 but he wanted to play it the right way. 1126 00:53:11,223 --> 00:53:13,016 - ♪ Then we saw ♪ 1127 00:53:13,016 --> 00:53:15,849 - Hello, David Bowie's back in sound and vision, 1128 00:53:15,849 --> 00:53:17,849 with his first new album in a decade. 1129 00:53:17,849 --> 00:53:20,348 - He hasn't performed since 2006, 1130 00:53:20,348 --> 00:53:22,057 and has rarely been seen in public 1131 00:53:22,057 --> 00:53:23,932 since then, but now he's back. 1132 00:53:23,932 --> 00:53:25,640 - But after a bout of ill health, 1133 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,849 it was thought he had retired. Wrong. 1134 00:53:27,849 --> 00:53:30,141 - His new album, his first in ten years, 1135 00:53:30,141 --> 00:53:32,640 shot to the number one spot last weekend. 1136 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,182 In fact, it's the fastest- selling of the year so far, 1137 00:53:35,182 --> 00:53:38,182 having shifted over 100,000 copies 1138 00:53:38,182 --> 00:53:39,974 in less than two weeks. 1139 00:53:39,974 --> 00:53:44,432 - ♪ The night was always falling ♪ 1140 00:53:44,432 --> 00:53:47,557 ♪ The peacock in the snow ♪ 1141 00:53:49,223 --> 00:53:53,557 ♪ And I tell myself ♪ 1142 00:53:53,557 --> 00:53:57,141 ♪ I don't know who I am ♪ 1143 00:54:00,057 --> 00:54:01,974 - He just stopped giving interviews 1144 00:54:01,974 --> 00:54:03,557 many years ago, 1145 00:54:03,557 --> 00:54:05,557 and, um, this is something that 1146 00:54:05,557 --> 00:54:08,473 he needed to do, I think, for himself. 1147 00:54:08,473 --> 00:54:10,765 He couldn't...he couldn't have his life examined 1148 00:54:10,765 --> 00:54:12,223 any longer. He didn't want 1149 00:54:12,223 --> 00:54:13,891 any speculation about his life. 1150 00:54:33,974 --> 00:54:35,849 - I think it's terribly dangerous 1151 00:54:35,849 --> 00:54:39,182 for an artist to fulfill other people's expectations. 1152 00:54:39,182 --> 00:54:40,557 If you feel safe 1153 00:54:40,557 --> 00:54:42,099 in the area that you're working in, 1154 00:54:42,099 --> 00:54:43,891 you're not working in the right area. 1155 00:54:43,891 --> 00:54:46,182 Always go a little further into the water 1156 00:54:46,182 --> 00:54:48,515 than you feel you're capable of being in. 1157 00:54:48,515 --> 00:54:50,265 Go a little bit out of your depth, 1158 00:54:50,265 --> 00:54:52,057 and you don't feel that your feet are 1159 00:54:52,057 --> 00:54:53,640 quite touching the bottom, 1160 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,057 you're just about in the right place 1161 00:54:55,057 --> 00:54:56,473 to do something exciting. 1162 00:54:58,765 --> 00:55:00,307 - The way David works. 1163 00:55:00,307 --> 00:55:02,724 He just keeps evolving, evolving, evolving. 1164 00:55:02,724 --> 00:55:05,182 David's always looking for that new element 1165 00:55:05,182 --> 00:55:06,765 and unique musicians 1166 00:55:06,765 --> 00:55:07,932 to be the carriage 1167 00:55:07,932 --> 00:55:09,599 for his new ideas. 1168 00:55:12,807 --> 00:55:16,557 Maria Schneider is an amazing jazz composer 1169 00:55:16,557 --> 00:55:18,515 and how she could've been off my radar, 1170 00:55:18,515 --> 00:55:20,473 I don't...I don't know, because, 1171 00:55:20,473 --> 00:55:24,640 uh, she suddenly appeared in my life through David. 1172 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,141 And when I heard her compositions, 1173 00:55:27,141 --> 00:55:29,141 it was everything David and I loved 1174 00:55:29,141 --> 00:55:30,515 about big band music: 1175 00:55:30,515 --> 00:55:32,141 that it was discordant 1176 00:55:32,141 --> 00:55:35,307 and strange and ethereal. 1177 00:55:43,390 --> 00:55:46,182 - Out of the blue, David called. 1178 00:55:46,182 --> 00:55:47,682 I said, "Hello?" 1179 00:55:47,682 --> 00:55:49,307 Then...and then 1180 00:55:49,307 --> 00:55:52,016 proceeded to start to talk to him about 1181 00:55:52,016 --> 00:55:53,849 the idea, uh, that he had 1182 00:55:53,849 --> 00:55:55,640 to collaborate on a song. 1183 00:56:00,182 --> 00:56:02,807 David brought a little demo of "Sue," 1184 00:56:02,807 --> 00:56:05,099 so I listened to it 1185 00:56:05,099 --> 00:56:07,099 and immediately heard this: 1186 00:56:10,057 --> 00:56:13,891 I said, "Where do you want this to go?" 1187 00:56:13,891 --> 00:56:16,348 So it's... it's pretty bright... 1188 00:56:16,348 --> 00:56:18,141 you know, sounding, and he said, "Oh, 1189 00:56:18,141 --> 00:56:19,640 I want it to be really dark." 1190 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,473 So then I started playing around with 1191 00:56:22,473 --> 00:56:25,016 ways in which I could make that... 1192 00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:27,682 That melody dark, 1193 00:56:27,682 --> 00:56:29,099 and I just fooled around over here 1194 00:56:29,099 --> 00:56:30,765 and then I looked at him and I said, 1195 00:56:30,765 --> 00:56:34,724 "Okay, let's try this." 1196 00:56:34,724 --> 00:56:36,640 - Maria Schneider said, 1197 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,390 "You have to listen to this guy, Donny McCaslin." 1198 00:56:39,390 --> 00:56:41,223 Donny had a band. 1199 00:56:44,307 --> 00:56:46,891 This band were trained jazz musicians, 1200 00:56:46,891 --> 00:56:50,348 so we had more colors to the palette. 1201 00:56:53,057 --> 00:56:55,057 - Then I just worked on it on my own a little bit. 1202 00:56:55,057 --> 00:56:57,141 And then David came over, 1203 00:56:57,141 --> 00:56:58,724 and then I presented him 1204 00:56:58,724 --> 00:57:00,515 with all these sketches of ideas 1205 00:57:00,515 --> 00:57:02,057 and said, "Okay, 1206 00:57:02,057 --> 00:57:04,557 let me play you lots of different things," 1207 00:57:04,557 --> 00:57:06,307 and he would either say, 1208 00:57:06,307 --> 00:57:08,724 "Yeah, yeah, I r... Oh, I really like that." 1209 00:57:08,724 --> 00:57:11,390 You know, if it had got a real reaction of him... 1210 00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:14,016 from him, then I said, "Okay, maybe that's 1211 00:57:14,016 --> 00:57:15,557 the direction," so I just kind of 1212 00:57:15,557 --> 00:57:17,265 tried to feel him out. 1213 00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:32,932 - It was adventure. 1214 00:57:32,932 --> 00:57:34,432 Adventure, adventure. 1215 00:57:34,432 --> 00:57:35,891 Let's try this, let's try that. 1216 00:57:35,891 --> 00:57:37,891 Let's make it as far-out as possible. 1217 00:57:37,891 --> 00:57:40,390 Let's go somewhere no one's ever gone before. 1218 00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:41,348 You know? 1219 00:57:43,891 --> 00:57:45,473 - I mean, recording it was, like, 1220 00:57:45,473 --> 00:57:46,932 six hours or something... 1221 00:57:46,932 --> 00:57:49,307 - Yeah. - So he comes out, 1222 00:57:49,307 --> 00:57:53,099 then he lays down the vocal for the whole song, 1223 00:57:53,099 --> 00:57:54,974 seven, eight minutes, 1224 00:57:54,974 --> 00:57:56,640 so he's been in the studio all day long... 1225 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,057 - Just sitting there. 1226 00:57:58,057 --> 00:57:59,432 - You know, we're just sitting there, 1227 00:57:59,432 --> 00:58:01,223 listening...you know, taking this all in, 1228 00:58:01,223 --> 00:58:03,307 goes out, a little one-two-three on the mic, 1229 00:58:03,307 --> 00:58:04,473 and then, boom. 1230 00:58:04,473 --> 00:58:06,473 - ♪ Sue ♪ 1231 00:58:08,724 --> 00:58:12,390 ♪ I got the job ♪ 1232 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:21,724 ♪ We'll buy the house ♪ 1233 00:58:21,724 --> 00:58:24,348 ♪ You'll need to rest ♪ 1234 00:58:24,348 --> 00:58:30,682 ♪ But now we'll make it ♪ 1235 00:58:30,682 --> 00:58:32,682 - So I remember doing this interview 1236 00:58:32,682 --> 00:58:33,807 with Tony Visconti. 1237 00:58:33,807 --> 00:58:35,682 The interviewer asked us both, 1238 00:58:35,682 --> 00:58:38,682 you know, what was David's relationship to jazz music, 1239 00:58:38,682 --> 00:58:39,849 something like that, 1240 00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:41,515 and Tony's response was that 1241 00:58:41,515 --> 00:58:43,682 he thought that that influence 1242 00:58:43,682 --> 00:58:46,432 had always been there in David's music, 1243 00:58:46,432 --> 00:58:48,682 but it was just sort of underneath the surface, 1244 00:58:48,682 --> 00:58:50,432 and that now, it was just, 1245 00:58:50,432 --> 00:58:51,557 you know, out there. 1246 00:58:52,932 --> 00:58:57,473 - ♪ Sue, I pushed you down ♪ 1247 00:58:57,473 --> 00:59:00,141 ♪ Beneath the weeds ♪ 1248 00:59:00,141 --> 00:59:01,891 ♪ Endless faith ♪ 1249 00:59:01,891 --> 00:59:05,141 ♪ In hopeless deeds ♪ 1250 00:59:05,141 --> 00:59:07,099 - Of course, when this thing was released, 1251 00:59:07,099 --> 00:59:08,932 there were all sorts of comments. 1252 00:59:08,932 --> 00:59:12,099 Some people were just absolutely hating it 1253 00:59:12,099 --> 00:59:13,807 and some people were loving it 1254 00:59:13,807 --> 00:59:15,682 and some people didn't know what to think. 1255 00:59:17,932 --> 00:59:22,182 - ♪ Good-bye ♪ 1256 00:59:22,182 --> 00:59:23,932 - This is David Bowie. 1257 00:59:23,932 --> 00:59:27,432 He's not gonna pigeonhole even himself. 1258 00:59:27,432 --> 00:59:29,473 Imagine how ridiculous he would have looked, 1259 00:59:29,473 --> 00:59:31,557 you know, if he kept dyeing his hair orange 1260 00:59:31,557 --> 00:59:33,432 and he was 65 years old 1261 00:59:33,432 --> 00:59:35,557 with orange hair 1262 00:59:35,557 --> 00:59:37,223 and platform shoes, you know. 1263 00:59:37,223 --> 00:59:41,473 He was smart. 1264 00:59:47,432 --> 00:59:50,765 The radical shift between "Sue" and "The Next Day" 1265 00:59:50,765 --> 00:59:54,390 is like when he did the, uh, ambient music 1266 00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:55,640 of "Low" and "Heroes" 1267 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,182 with Brian Eno. 1268 00:59:58,182 --> 01:00:01,390 ♪ Dun-dun-dun-dun.... ♪ 1269 01:00:02,807 --> 01:00:04,348 Oh... And he'll play that again. 1270 01:00:04,348 --> 01:00:06,473 ♪ Dun, dun, dun, dun ♪ 1271 01:00:06,473 --> 01:00:09,515 Oh, wow, I'm feeling low. 1272 01:00:10,932 --> 01:00:12,515 Brian Eno's methodology 1273 01:00:12,515 --> 01:00:13,932 is a little bit different 1274 01:00:13,932 --> 01:00:15,141 than any methodology 1275 01:00:15,141 --> 01:00:16,640 I've ever encountered. 1276 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,849 That's not rock and roll. 1277 01:00:18,849 --> 01:00:21,265 Rock and roll is, "Hey, man, I got this great riff. 1278 01:00:21,265 --> 01:00:23,141 Listen to this." 1279 01:00:23,141 --> 01:00:24,640 You know? 1280 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,390 But when you start experimenting 1281 01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:27,849 with soundscapes, 1282 01:00:27,849 --> 01:00:29,348 which is what they were doing, 1283 01:00:29,348 --> 01:00:32,932 it makes other things come to light. 1284 01:00:34,765 --> 01:00:38,432 David was listening to a few German bands back then 1285 01:00:38,432 --> 01:00:40,432 that were at the epicenter 1286 01:00:40,432 --> 01:00:42,141 of electronic music, 1287 01:00:42,141 --> 01:00:43,682 and I think that the 1288 01:00:43,682 --> 01:00:45,640 elec-tronic-al part 1289 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:46,640 was too much. 1290 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,141 That's why he had a R&B, a... 1291 01:00:48,141 --> 01:00:49,891 a black rhythm section, 1292 01:00:49,891 --> 01:00:52,557 being, "You want a machine? 1293 01:00:52,557 --> 01:00:54,182 Let me give you a funk band." 1294 01:00:57,099 --> 01:00:59,765 But I'll add all the electronic stuff 1295 01:00:59,765 --> 01:01:01,348 on top of that. 1296 01:01:01,348 --> 01:01:04,473 Otherwise, he might take the chance of 1297 01:01:04,473 --> 01:01:08,807 sounding like European 1298 01:01:08,807 --> 01:01:10,099 electronic music, 1299 01:01:10,099 --> 01:01:12,515 which he did not want to reproduce. 1300 01:01:15,265 --> 01:01:17,016 - I'd gotten into the idea 1301 01:01:17,016 --> 01:01:18,974 of real experimentation in music, 1302 01:01:18,974 --> 01:01:20,557 with the new sounds of Europe 1303 01:01:20,557 --> 01:01:22,974 and it was this kind of hybrid thing 1304 01:01:22,974 --> 01:01:24,473 that appealed to me so much. 1305 01:01:24,473 --> 01:01:26,223 The idea of mixtures 1306 01:01:26,223 --> 01:01:28,348 has always been something that I've found 1307 01:01:28,348 --> 01:01:30,599 absolutely fascinating. 1308 01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:33,016 ♪ Blue, blue, electric blue ♪ 1309 01:01:33,016 --> 01:01:35,724 ♪ That's the color of my room ♪ 1310 01:01:35,724 --> 01:01:37,265 ♪ Where I will live ♪ 1311 01:01:39,515 --> 01:01:41,640 ♪ Blue, blue ♪ 1312 01:01:44,765 --> 01:01:47,099 ♪ Pale blinds drawn all day ♪ 1313 01:01:47,099 --> 01:01:49,682 ♪ Nothing to do, nothing to say ♪ 1314 01:01:53,682 --> 01:01:55,348 ♪ Blue, blue ♪ 1315 01:01:59,016 --> 01:02:01,265 ♪ I will sit right down ♪ 1316 01:02:01,265 --> 01:02:04,640 ♪ Waiting for the gift of sound and vision ♪ 1317 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,141 - I was just amazed that 1318 01:02:06,141 --> 01:02:08,223 David was the kind of person that he was, 1319 01:02:08,223 --> 01:02:10,016 because I wasn't expecting that. 1320 01:02:10,016 --> 01:02:12,807 I was expecting something sort of 1321 01:02:12,807 --> 01:02:16,016 superhuman, strange, walking in 1322 01:02:16,016 --> 01:02:18,724 and he presented himself so normal. 1323 01:02:18,724 --> 01:02:19,932 As a matter of fact, 1324 01:02:19,932 --> 01:02:22,057 the doorman from downstairs 1325 01:02:22,057 --> 01:02:23,390 called me and said, 1326 01:02:23,390 --> 01:02:25,099 "There's a...what? What's your name? 1327 01:02:25,099 --> 01:02:27,057 Oh, David, here to see you." 1328 01:02:27,057 --> 01:02:29,016 And I thought, "Oh, dear." 1329 01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:38,599 Can I just stop a second? Did I just say he was normal? 1330 01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:41,348 There's really nothing normal about David Bowie. 1331 01:02:41,348 --> 01:02:43,891 You know? But anyway... 1332 01:03:07,099 --> 01:03:08,891 - When I was around 17, 18, 1333 01:03:08,891 --> 01:03:10,891 what I wanted to do, more than anything else, 1334 01:03:10,891 --> 01:03:13,265 was write something for Broadway. 1335 01:03:13,265 --> 01:03:14,640 I wanted to write a musical. 1336 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,265 Had no idea of how you did it 1337 01:03:17,265 --> 01:03:19,016 or how musicals were constructed, 1338 01:03:19,016 --> 01:03:21,932 but the idea of writing something 1339 01:03:21,932 --> 01:03:24,599 that was rock-based for Broadway 1340 01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:26,265 really intrigued me. I thought, "That would be 1341 01:03:26,265 --> 01:03:27,932 a wonderful thing to do." 1342 01:03:30,348 --> 01:03:34,016 - When we first talked quite quickly 1343 01:03:34,016 --> 01:03:35,724 he said, 1344 01:03:35,724 --> 01:03:37,765 "I wanna do a musical," 1345 01:03:37,765 --> 01:03:39,974 and I said, "Great," 1346 01:03:39,974 --> 01:03:41,849 and he said, "All I know 1347 01:03:41,849 --> 01:03:43,307 "is that it's called Laz... 1348 01:03:43,307 --> 01:03:45,932 "it's gonna be called 'Lazarus,' 1349 01:03:45,932 --> 01:03:47,849 "and it's based on the character I played 1350 01:03:47,849 --> 01:03:49,682 "in 'The Man Who Fell to Earth' 1351 01:03:49,682 --> 01:03:52,515 in the movie, Thomas Jerome Newton." 1352 01:03:56,473 --> 01:03:59,265 - Thomas Newton is an alien. 1353 01:03:59,265 --> 01:04:00,765 He can't get home. 1354 01:04:00,765 --> 01:04:02,640 He's relegated to this Earth. 1355 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,682 He is in the world, but not of it. 1356 01:04:08,182 --> 01:04:11,599 - Outsiders, marginalized people, 1357 01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,849 people that don't belong, 1358 01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:15,099 that are disp... 1359 01:04:15,099 --> 01:04:16,849 that feel displaced, 1360 01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:17,849 not at home, 1361 01:04:17,849 --> 01:04:18,891 even when they have a house, 1362 01:04:18,891 --> 01:04:20,099 like Newton. 1363 01:04:20,099 --> 01:04:21,473 Rich, you know, on Earth, 1364 01:04:21,473 --> 01:04:23,599 but lost on Earth. 1365 01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:24,849 It resonated with him. 1366 01:04:28,182 --> 01:04:30,807 - My initial reaction was, 1367 01:04:30,807 --> 01:04:33,016 "I've got the chance to do a musical 1368 01:04:33,016 --> 01:04:35,348 "with David, which is wonderful, 1369 01:04:35,348 --> 01:04:38,223 but it sure ain't gonna buy me a yacht." 1370 01:04:38,223 --> 01:04:40,682 ♪ Oh, say, can you see ♪ 1371 01:04:40,682 --> 01:04:44,057 - That was my amused comment to myself, 1372 01:04:44,057 --> 01:04:46,515 but he said, "I want to see this," 1373 01:04:46,515 --> 01:04:48,016 you know, "I want this on." 1374 01:04:48,016 --> 01:04:50,016 - Okay. 1375 01:04:50,016 --> 01:04:52,849 So, uh, thank you very much, Sophia. 1376 01:04:52,849 --> 01:04:57,016 - Just before we were due to start 1377 01:04:57,016 --> 01:04:59,057 a small workshop, 1378 01:04:59,057 --> 01:05:02,390 I was asked to go to David's office in New York 1379 01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:04,307 at a specific time, 1380 01:05:04,307 --> 01:05:06,432 and when I walked in the room, 1381 01:05:06,432 --> 01:05:10,724 David was on Skype, 1382 01:05:10,724 --> 01:05:14,057 and then he said, "I need to explain something to you, 1383 01:05:14,057 --> 01:05:16,640 "because I'm not gonna be 1384 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,891 "able to be around a lot 1385 01:05:18,891 --> 01:05:21,515 "during this workshop. 1386 01:05:21,515 --> 01:05:23,223 "Which doesn't mean that I'm 1387 01:05:23,223 --> 01:05:26,099 "not gonna be totally involved in it. 1388 01:05:26,099 --> 01:05:29,849 "It just means that I can't be there sometimes, 1389 01:05:29,849 --> 01:05:32,016 "because I'm having treatment 1390 01:05:32,016 --> 01:05:35,932 because I have, uh, a cancer." 1391 01:05:38,891 --> 01:05:40,640 I was shocked, 1392 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:41,891 but his attitude was 1393 01:05:41,891 --> 01:05:44,099 that he was gonna be okay. 1394 01:05:44,099 --> 01:05:47,432 And that was kind of the end of the conversation. 1395 01:05:47,432 --> 01:05:49,974 - I'm here to get you out of this apartment! 1396 01:05:49,974 --> 01:05:51,974 Get you home to your planet! 1397 01:05:51,974 --> 01:05:53,640 I think we should build a rocket! 1398 01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:58,599 - But of course, once we started, 1399 01:05:58,599 --> 01:05:59,974 sort of, rehearsal, 1400 01:05:59,974 --> 01:06:01,640 he was there a lot. 1401 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,265 He was sort of in and out and in and out, 1402 01:06:03,265 --> 01:06:04,765 you know, so... 1403 01:06:06,265 --> 01:06:08,515 So he would go, "Oh, let's remove that 1404 01:06:08,515 --> 01:06:11,099 "scene, and can I write a... can I write a song? 1405 01:06:11,099 --> 01:06:12,849 I feel as if I should write a song here," 1406 01:06:12,849 --> 01:06:14,265 and he was really excited about that. 1407 01:06:16,557 --> 01:06:19,432 - He was ill, and, um, he said, uh, 1408 01:06:19,432 --> 01:06:22,141 writing the musical was on his bucket list. 1409 01:06:22,141 --> 01:06:24,974 You know, getting finally writing a musical 1410 01:06:24,974 --> 01:06:26,057 and all that. 1411 01:06:26,057 --> 01:06:27,765 So that's the only time 1412 01:06:27,765 --> 01:06:29,974 he got a little bit, you know, sentimental, maybe, 1413 01:06:29,974 --> 01:06:32,016 like I've got to do these things. 1414 01:06:32,016 --> 01:06:34,974 - Stupid animal! Stupid creature! 1415 01:06:34,974 --> 01:06:37,099 - Why don't you tell me what's going on? 1416 01:06:37,099 --> 01:06:40,223 - Because I can't. 1417 01:06:40,223 --> 01:06:43,432 - I think that David intended it to be a play 1418 01:06:43,432 --> 01:06:45,473 that's supported by music, 1419 01:06:45,473 --> 01:06:49,265 rather than a musical that's supported by dialogue. 1420 01:06:49,265 --> 01:06:53,307 - ♪ But the film is a saddening bore ♪ 1421 01:06:53,307 --> 01:06:55,849 - It's about as far from a typical West End 1422 01:06:55,849 --> 01:06:57,473 or Broadway show as you could get. 1423 01:06:57,473 --> 01:07:01,182 He wanted this to be an art piece. 1424 01:07:01,182 --> 01:07:03,682 - ♪ As I ask you to focus ♪ 1425 01:07:03,682 --> 01:07:08,348 ♪ Sailors fighting in the dance hall ♪ 1426 01:07:08,348 --> 01:07:14,265 ♪ Oh, man, look at those cavemen go ♪ 1427 01:07:14,265 --> 01:07:17,016 ♪ It's the freakiest show ♪ 1428 01:07:17,016 --> 01:07:19,515 - I'd heard that he wanted to do a musical since... 1429 01:07:19,515 --> 01:07:22,182 someone said the mid-'70s or something or other, 1430 01:07:22,182 --> 01:07:24,515 and I thought, "Oh, God, 1431 01:07:24,515 --> 01:07:26,099 "we're beginning something that feels 1432 01:07:26,099 --> 01:07:28,016 "very, very close to his heart 1433 01:07:28,016 --> 01:07:29,849 and his head and where he's at." 1434 01:07:38,891 --> 01:07:40,682 - ♪ Ronda ♪ 1435 01:07:40,682 --> 01:07:42,724 I really had it in my mind 1436 01:07:42,724 --> 01:07:45,974 to do a musical of "1984." 1437 01:07:45,974 --> 01:07:48,724 It was a book that I'd loved all through my youth, 1438 01:07:48,724 --> 01:07:52,057 but of course, I didn't really take into account 1439 01:07:52,057 --> 01:07:53,849 the second Mrs. Orwell, 1440 01:07:53,849 --> 01:07:55,891 who, when she got wind of what we were doing, 1441 01:07:55,891 --> 01:07:57,515 absolutely put her foot down and said, 1442 01:07:57,515 --> 01:07:58,974 "Not having rock-and-roll people 1443 01:07:58,974 --> 01:08:01,099 "work on my late husband's 1444 01:08:01,099 --> 01:08:02,307 great piece of work." 1445 01:08:02,307 --> 01:08:03,891 And I thought, "Oh, 1446 01:08:03,891 --> 01:08:05,974 sorry, I'll do me own version then." 1447 01:08:05,974 --> 01:08:07,307 - That's a naught. 1448 01:08:07,307 --> 01:08:08,682 - 2015! 1449 01:08:08,682 --> 01:08:10,099 - This is the beginning of a film 1450 01:08:10,099 --> 01:08:11,432 called "Diamond Dogs," 1451 01:08:11,432 --> 01:08:13,057 and I've put naught in here 1452 01:08:13,057 --> 01:08:16,057 because I didn't know what year it's set in. 1453 01:08:16,057 --> 01:08:17,515 - Wanting to do something 1454 01:08:17,515 --> 01:08:19,974 like write a musical for "1984" 1455 01:08:19,974 --> 01:08:21,640 and then not being able to do it, 1456 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,682 via the album "Diamond Dogs," 1457 01:08:24,682 --> 01:08:26,891 kind of gelled into this thing 1458 01:08:26,891 --> 01:08:29,099 that we later toured in America. 1459 01:08:32,265 --> 01:08:34,265 - David had the idea of 1460 01:08:34,265 --> 01:08:37,099 using dance and mime, 1461 01:08:37,099 --> 01:08:40,099 uh, with two vocalists, 1462 01:08:40,099 --> 01:08:43,724 myself being one... 1463 01:08:43,724 --> 01:08:45,348 - ♪ Jean Genie ♪ 1464 01:08:45,348 --> 01:08:47,016 - And Gui Andrisano, 1465 01:08:47,016 --> 01:08:49,265 who had been a child star. 1466 01:09:02,765 --> 01:09:05,515 It kind of worked with the input that we had 1467 01:09:05,515 --> 01:09:07,599 from Toni Basil, 1468 01:09:07,599 --> 01:09:11,432 in terms of choreography. 1469 01:09:11,432 --> 01:09:14,974 - But when I met him the first day 1470 01:09:14,974 --> 01:09:17,307 in his hotel suite, 1471 01:09:17,307 --> 01:09:19,432 the set was there. 1472 01:09:19,432 --> 01:09:22,099 The set was already a little mock-up set. 1473 01:09:22,099 --> 01:09:25,765 - ♪ We feel that we are paper ♪ 1474 01:09:25,765 --> 01:09:28,765 ♪ Choking on you nightly ♪ 1475 01:09:28,765 --> 01:09:32,307 ♪ They tell me, son, we want you ♪ 1476 01:09:32,307 --> 01:09:35,807 ♪ Be elusive, but don't walk far ♪ 1477 01:09:35,807 --> 01:09:36,932 ♪ For we're ♪ 1478 01:09:36,932 --> 01:09:39,057 - He had the cityscape 1479 01:09:39,057 --> 01:09:40,599 and a set list. 1480 01:09:40,599 --> 01:09:43,016 So for me, 1481 01:09:43,016 --> 01:09:46,765 the set list was my thread 1482 01:09:46,765 --> 01:09:51,307 of what ideas I could come up with 1483 01:09:51,307 --> 01:09:54,182 in collaboration with him 1484 01:09:54,182 --> 01:09:57,432 to make this theatrical piece happen. 1485 01:09:57,432 --> 01:09:59,016 - ♪ But I love you ♪ 1486 01:09:59,016 --> 01:10:00,765 ♪ In your fuck-me pumps ♪ 1487 01:10:00,765 --> 01:10:03,807 ♪ And your nimble dress that trails ♪ 1488 01:10:03,807 --> 01:10:05,891 ♪ Oh dress yourself ♪ 1489 01:10:05,891 --> 01:10:08,473 - At that time, there was not 1490 01:10:08,473 --> 01:10:11,099 really a lot of rock stars 1491 01:10:11,099 --> 01:10:14,016 that focused on theatricality. 1492 01:10:14,016 --> 01:10:15,849 A lot of them thought it was corny, 1493 01:10:15,849 --> 01:10:18,099 or they were afraid to approach it. 1494 01:10:18,099 --> 01:10:22,099 So I knew he was a great performer, 1495 01:10:22,099 --> 01:10:23,932 extremely theatrical, 1496 01:10:23,932 --> 01:10:27,599 that would just always be outside the box, 1497 01:10:27,599 --> 01:10:29,807 always be walking on the edge. 1498 01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,599 - ♪ In the year of the scavenger ♪ 1499 01:10:39,599 --> 01:10:41,432 ♪ The season of the bitch ♪ 1500 01:10:41,432 --> 01:10:43,557 ♪ Sashay on the boardwalk ♪ 1501 01:10:43,557 --> 01:10:45,307 ♪ Scurry to the ditch ♪ 1502 01:10:45,307 --> 01:10:47,390 ♪ Just another future song ♪ 1503 01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:49,057 ♪ Lonely little kitsch ♪ 1504 01:10:49,057 --> 01:10:51,515 - "Diamond Dogs" was probably the most difficult 1505 01:10:51,515 --> 01:10:53,724 one to choreograph, because 1506 01:10:53,724 --> 01:10:56,141 we were on long pieces of rope. 1507 01:10:56,141 --> 01:10:58,141 and the idea was to 1508 01:10:58,141 --> 01:10:59,599 tie him down 1509 01:10:59,599 --> 01:11:02,223 without fully disabling him 1510 01:11:02,223 --> 01:11:04,974 and, uh, tripping him up. 1511 01:11:07,599 --> 01:11:10,265 - ♪ There you go Whoo ♪ 1512 01:11:10,265 --> 01:11:12,599 ♪ Call them the diamond dogs ♪ 1513 01:11:12,599 --> 01:11:14,932 It was hideously pressurized for me. 1514 01:11:14,932 --> 01:11:16,932 I had these awful tensions and stresses 1515 01:11:16,932 --> 01:11:19,849 but the physicality of performing a show like that 1516 01:11:19,849 --> 01:11:22,557 was alarmingly strenuous. 1517 01:11:22,557 --> 01:11:24,432 ♪ Oh, honey ♪ 1518 01:11:24,432 --> 01:11:26,432 ♪ You're so bad ♪ 1519 01:11:26,432 --> 01:11:30,432 - "Diamond Dogs" is a series of vignettes 1520 01:11:30,432 --> 01:11:32,640 of what could happen 1521 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,640 when society breaks down, 1522 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,390 so it was more sketchy, 1523 01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:38,932 rather than a story from beginning to end. 1524 01:11:42,807 --> 01:11:44,932 - I started getting into the idea of writing 1525 01:11:44,932 --> 01:11:47,515 a kind of a non-narrative 1526 01:11:47,515 --> 01:11:50,099 that just had situations within it 1527 01:11:50,099 --> 01:11:52,099 and the audience kind of joins up the dots 1528 01:11:52,099 --> 01:11:53,390 their own way, in the way 1529 01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:54,891 they want to make it. 1530 01:11:54,891 --> 01:11:58,223 They'd remake the material they're offered. 1531 01:11:58,223 --> 01:12:01,557 ♪ Just one day, I say ♪ 1532 01:12:01,557 --> 01:12:03,141 ♪ Oh, honey ♪ 1533 01:12:03,141 --> 01:12:06,141 ♪ You're so bad ♪ 1534 01:12:06,141 --> 01:12:08,974 ♪ Best I ever had ♪ 1535 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,599 - He brought me another song to work on. 1536 01:12:18,599 --> 01:12:20,640 And I said to him, "I would love to do this, 1537 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,932 "but I just...I can't, David. 1538 01:12:22,932 --> 01:12:25,974 I'm recording an album with my own band." 1539 01:12:30,724 --> 01:12:32,348 And then, I said to him, 1540 01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:33,974 "I think you should do a record 1541 01:12:33,974 --> 01:12:36,016 with Donny's group." 1542 01:12:36,016 --> 01:12:37,515 He said, "Really, you think so? 1543 01:12:37,515 --> 01:12:39,515 You think they'd want to do that?" 1544 01:12:39,515 --> 01:12:41,765 and I said, "You kidding me?" 1545 01:12:41,765 --> 01:12:44,515 and I said, "I think it would be amazing." 1546 01:12:46,765 --> 01:12:48,849 - I got an email from him and... 1547 01:12:48,849 --> 01:12:50,515 basically saying that 1548 01:12:50,515 --> 01:12:53,807 he would really like to record different tunes with us. 1549 01:12:53,807 --> 01:12:55,348 There was a sentence that he said... 1550 01:12:55,348 --> 01:12:56,849 something like, you know, 1551 01:12:56,849 --> 01:12:58,515 "It would be my dream 1552 01:12:58,515 --> 01:13:00,348 "to record a few songs 1553 01:13:00,348 --> 01:13:01,849 with the Donny McCaslin group." 1554 01:13:01,849 --> 01:13:04,682 I think that that sentence 1555 01:13:04,682 --> 01:13:08,182 was kind of, like, wow. 1556 01:13:16,141 --> 01:13:18,432 Whatever he was going through, health-wise, at the time, 1557 01:13:18,432 --> 01:13:20,932 one thing that was really inspiring 1558 01:13:20,932 --> 01:13:24,390 was how, from the first day, 1559 01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:26,265 the first note, he was just 1560 01:13:26,265 --> 01:13:28,307 totally in it. 1561 01:13:28,307 --> 01:13:29,932 - By the time I joined you guys, 1562 01:13:29,932 --> 01:13:31,182 I was not aware of anything, 1563 01:13:31,182 --> 01:13:32,432 and I was actually... 1564 01:13:32,432 --> 01:13:34,515 even being ignorant of all this, 1565 01:13:34,515 --> 01:13:37,265 I was struck by how healthy and energetic 1566 01:13:37,265 --> 01:13:38,891 and in great spirits he was. 1567 01:13:45,974 --> 01:13:48,390 - So David had a lot of vocal ideas 1568 01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:49,891 that needed to be done. 1569 01:13:49,891 --> 01:13:52,099 We have him singing this. 1570 01:13:52,099 --> 01:13:55,765 - ♪ In the villa of Ormen ♪ 1571 01:13:55,765 --> 01:13:59,432 ♪ In the villa of Ormen ♪ 1572 01:13:59,432 --> 01:14:02,057 ♪ Stands a solitary candle ♪ 1573 01:14:02,057 --> 01:14:06,016 ♪ Ah, ah ♪ 1574 01:14:06,016 --> 01:14:09,515 ♪ Ah, ah ♪ 1575 01:14:09,515 --> 01:14:13,141 ♪ In the center of it all ♪ 1576 01:14:13,141 --> 01:14:18,099 ♪ In the center of it all ♪ 1577 01:14:18,099 --> 01:14:22,223 ♪ Your eyes ♪ 1578 01:14:22,223 --> 01:14:24,057 - Now, the reason it sounds so good 1579 01:14:24,057 --> 01:14:26,182 is that's just one David Bowie singing, 1580 01:14:26,182 --> 01:14:30,724 but with his voice put up a fifth interval. 1581 01:14:30,724 --> 01:14:33,390 - ♪ On the day of execution ♪ 1582 01:14:34,724 --> 01:14:37,223 ♪ On the day of execution ♪ 1583 01:14:38,432 --> 01:14:41,099 ♪ Only women kneel and smile ♪ 1584 01:14:41,099 --> 01:14:45,099 ♪ Ah, ah ♪ 1585 01:14:45,099 --> 01:14:48,223 ♪ Ah, ah ♪ 1586 01:14:48,223 --> 01:14:52,557 ♪ At the center of it all ♪ 1587 01:14:52,557 --> 01:14:56,307 ♪ At the center of it all ♪ 1588 01:14:56,307 --> 01:15:00,265 ♪ Your eyes ♪ 1589 01:15:04,682 --> 01:15:06,974 ♪ Your eyes ♪ 1590 01:15:06,974 --> 01:15:09,599 - He asked me if I would be interested 1591 01:15:09,599 --> 01:15:12,099 in perhaps putting some images to this song, 1592 01:15:12,099 --> 01:15:14,682 and then began, you know, a couple of months of 1593 01:15:14,682 --> 01:15:17,016 a very interesting collaborative process. 1594 01:15:17,016 --> 01:15:20,640 He would send me drawings 1595 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,390 that he would literally say, 1596 01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:24,390 "Do what you want with these drawings," 1597 01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:26,099 you know? 1598 01:15:26,099 --> 01:15:28,682 He would have this character that he drew 1599 01:15:28,682 --> 01:15:31,016 with the man with sort of gauze, 1600 01:15:31,016 --> 01:15:32,765 you know, across his face, 1601 01:15:32,765 --> 01:15:35,473 with two buttons for eyes, 1602 01:15:35,473 --> 01:15:37,765 and we named him "Button-Eyes." 1603 01:15:41,891 --> 01:15:45,599 And he also sent me an image of a spaceman 1604 01:15:45,599 --> 01:15:47,515 with a skeleton inside. 1605 01:15:47,515 --> 01:15:53,473 - ♪ Ah-ah-ah ♪ 1606 01:15:53,473 --> 01:15:56,891 - To me, it was 100% Major Tom, you know? 1607 01:15:56,891 --> 01:15:58,849 A character that he had, you know, 1608 01:15:58,849 --> 01:16:02,307 revisited and used over his career. 1609 01:16:02,307 --> 01:16:03,891 - Major Tom, for him, 1610 01:16:03,891 --> 01:16:06,515 was like some sort of talisman or something. 1611 01:16:06,515 --> 01:16:08,724 He was really along for the ride with David, 1612 01:16:08,724 --> 01:16:11,016 and the idea of space, 1613 01:16:11,016 --> 01:16:13,016 I think, represented... 1614 01:16:13,016 --> 01:16:15,265 maybe it represented freedom. 1615 01:16:18,182 --> 01:16:20,891 - Major Tom still means a lot to me. 1616 01:16:20,891 --> 01:16:22,974 It was the first time I'd been able 1617 01:16:22,974 --> 01:16:24,265 to create a character 1618 01:16:24,265 --> 01:16:26,223 that, uh, was very credible, 1619 01:16:26,223 --> 01:16:28,891 and I think for any writer, that's a high point. 1620 01:16:28,891 --> 01:16:30,599 He preceded all the others, 1621 01:16:30,599 --> 01:16:32,557 and I suppose one has his special place for him. 1622 01:16:32,557 --> 01:16:33,849 I do. 1623 01:16:33,849 --> 01:16:37,141 ♪ Ground control to Major Tom ♪ 1624 01:16:41,265 --> 01:16:44,765 ♪ Ground control to Major Tom ♪ 1625 01:16:48,182 --> 01:16:51,265 ♪ Take your protein pills ♪ 1626 01:16:51,265 --> 01:16:55,974 ♪ And put your helmet on ♪ 1627 01:16:55,974 --> 01:16:57,307 - What is it with spaceships? 1628 01:16:57,307 --> 01:16:58,765 - Well, it's...it's 1629 01:16:58,765 --> 01:16:59,932 an interior dialogue 1630 01:16:59,932 --> 01:17:01,765 that you manifest physically. 1631 01:17:04,599 --> 01:17:08,016 It's my little inner space, isn't it? 1632 01:17:08,016 --> 01:17:09,515 Writ large. 1633 01:17:09,515 --> 01:17:11,557 I wouldn't dream of getting on a spaceship. 1634 01:17:11,557 --> 01:17:13,182 It would scare the shit out of me. 1635 01:17:14,974 --> 01:17:17,640 I have absolutely no interest or ambition 1636 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,348 to go into space whatsoever. 1637 01:17:19,348 --> 01:17:21,891 I'm scared, going down the end of the garden. 1638 01:17:23,265 --> 01:17:28,265 ♪ Though I'm past 100,000 miles ♪ 1639 01:17:28,265 --> 01:17:32,932 ♪ I'm feeling very still ♪ 1640 01:17:32,932 --> 01:17:36,682 ♪ And I think my spaceship knows ♪ 1641 01:17:36,682 --> 01:17:39,141 ♪ Which way to go ♪ 1642 01:17:40,557 --> 01:17:44,640 ♪ Tell my wife I love her very much ♪ 1643 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,640 ♪ She knows ♪ 1644 01:17:48,724 --> 01:17:51,807 ♪ Ground control to Major Tom ♪ 1645 01:17:51,807 --> 01:17:53,932 ♪ Your circuit's dead ♪ 1646 01:17:53,932 --> 01:17:55,807 ♪ There's something wrong ♪ 1647 01:17:55,807 --> 01:17:58,141 ♪ Can you hear me, Major Tom? ♪ 1648 01:17:58,141 --> 01:18:02,515 ♪ Can you hear me, Major Tom? ♪ 1649 01:18:02,515 --> 01:18:06,390 ♪ Can you hear me, Major Tom? ♪ 1650 01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:09,057 - Major Tom was a really great device 1651 01:18:09,057 --> 01:18:11,640 to keep returning to. 1652 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,099 Maybe there was some little, 1653 01:18:13,099 --> 01:18:14,682 you know, obviously a bit of, maybe, 1654 01:18:14,682 --> 01:18:16,307 sentimental attachment to it, 1655 01:18:16,307 --> 01:18:18,016 because it represented a lot 1656 01:18:18,016 --> 01:18:20,182 in terms of how he became known to us 1657 01:18:20,182 --> 01:18:21,807 and became famous. 1658 01:18:21,807 --> 01:18:25,348 - ♪ The shrieking of nothing is killing ♪ 1659 01:18:25,348 --> 01:18:29,432 ♪ Just pictures of Jap girls in synthesis ♪ 1660 01:18:29,432 --> 01:18:31,765 ♪ And I ain't got no money ♪ 1661 01:18:31,765 --> 01:18:34,599 ♪ And I ain't got no hair ♪ 1662 01:18:35,682 --> 01:18:38,016 Something please the air. 1663 01:18:38,016 --> 01:18:40,348 - ♪ But I'm hoping to kick ♪ 1664 01:18:40,348 --> 01:18:46,016 ♪ But the planet is glowing ♪ 1665 01:18:46,016 --> 01:18:50,473 ♪ Ashes to ashes and funk to funky ♪ 1666 01:18:50,473 --> 01:18:54,599 ♪ We know Major Tom's a junkie ♪ 1667 01:18:54,599 --> 01:18:57,891 ♪ Strung out in heaven's high ♪ 1668 01:18:57,891 --> 01:19:01,724 ♪ Hitting an all-time low ♪ 1669 01:19:03,891 --> 01:19:06,974 - He just would take these bits of the past 1670 01:19:06,974 --> 01:19:09,557 and fashion the future out of them, 1671 01:19:09,557 --> 01:19:13,057 and Major Tom was a big part of that. 1672 01:19:14,891 --> 01:19:16,182 And he's been looking for home 1673 01:19:16,182 --> 01:19:17,390 for, you know, how long? 1674 01:19:17,390 --> 01:19:18,932 50 years or something. 1675 01:19:18,932 --> 01:19:20,141 You know, a long time, 1676 01:19:20,141 --> 01:19:21,974 Major Tom's been trying to 1677 01:19:21,974 --> 01:19:25,057 find peace and rest, and he found it in "Blackstar." 1678 01:19:25,057 --> 01:19:27,891 Major Tom is home, finally. 1679 01:19:32,599 --> 01:19:35,141 - "Blackstar," you know... it's really wildly open 1680 01:19:35,141 --> 01:19:36,640 to interpretation. 1681 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,724 And, uh, I think he enjoyed this very much, 1682 01:19:38,724 --> 01:19:40,182 like any artist. 1683 01:19:40,182 --> 01:19:42,390 Any great artist wants you to stand back 1684 01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:44,265 and look at the work 1685 01:19:44,265 --> 01:19:45,599 and analyze it, 1686 01:19:45,599 --> 01:19:47,891 and...and feel things from it, 1687 01:19:47,891 --> 01:19:50,849 and you might not feel the same things. 1688 01:19:50,849 --> 01:19:52,265 The idea of art 1689 01:19:52,265 --> 01:19:54,932 is to stimulate your own imagination. 1690 01:19:56,182 --> 01:20:00,599 - ♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh ♪ 1691 01:20:00,599 --> 01:20:02,265 - You know, after a week or two 1692 01:20:02,265 --> 01:20:04,599 of us, uh, having these chats 1693 01:20:04,599 --> 01:20:08,223 about Button-Eyes and the spaceman, 1694 01:20:08,223 --> 01:20:09,932 I get a text message from him, said, uh, 1695 01:20:09,932 --> 01:20:11,932 " I need to Skype with you. Can you Skype?" 1696 01:20:11,932 --> 01:20:13,849 And he's saying, "There's something I have to tell you," 1697 01:20:13,849 --> 01:20:16,141 um, and I said, "Sure." 1698 01:20:16,141 --> 01:20:17,724 And then he says, 1699 01:20:17,724 --> 01:20:19,515 "I have to tell you that I'm very ill 1700 01:20:19,515 --> 01:20:21,099 and that I'm probably gonna die." 1701 01:20:21,099 --> 01:20:22,974 You know? You know, 1702 01:20:22,974 --> 01:20:24,473 utterly out of the blue. 1703 01:20:24,473 --> 01:20:25,724 You know, just like that. 1704 01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:34,265 - Let this be only coming from me, 1705 01:20:34,265 --> 01:20:36,891 but I think part of the way I reacted 1706 01:20:36,891 --> 01:20:38,640 also was I felt 1707 01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,515 that when he was saying that, 1708 01:20:40,515 --> 01:20:42,390 I thought for a brief second 1709 01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:44,307 that he looked scared, actually. 1710 01:20:47,307 --> 01:20:49,807 And then, a second later, he would joke about it. 1711 01:20:49,807 --> 01:20:52,807 You know. 1712 01:20:52,807 --> 01:20:54,515 Over the next six or eight months, 1713 01:20:54,515 --> 01:20:57,182 the disease or illness was never mentioned, 1714 01:20:57,182 --> 01:21:00,307 and he was in no way, in my mind, 1715 01:21:00,307 --> 01:21:02,765 you know, affected by his illness. 1716 01:21:02,765 --> 01:21:07,348 - ♪ Something happened on the day he died ♪ 1717 01:21:07,348 --> 01:21:12,724 ♪ Spirit rose a meter and stepped aside ♪ 1718 01:21:12,724 --> 01:21:15,891 ♪ Somebody else took his place ♪ 1719 01:21:15,891 --> 01:21:17,682 ♪ And bravely cried ♪ 1720 01:21:17,682 --> 01:21:20,515 ♪ I'm a Blackstar ♪ 1721 01:21:20,515 --> 01:21:23,932 ♪ I'm a Blackstar ♪ 1722 01:21:23,932 --> 01:21:26,223 - This is, uh, a tradition 1723 01:21:26,223 --> 01:21:27,515 that David and I always had. 1724 01:21:27,515 --> 01:21:29,724 Like, how can we mangle the voice? 1725 01:21:29,724 --> 01:21:32,265 Eh, you know, how can we change it 1726 01:21:32,265 --> 01:21:35,348 and make one person sound like many people 1727 01:21:35,348 --> 01:21:37,390 and in many different contexts 1728 01:21:37,390 --> 01:21:39,307 and in many different spatial areas? 1729 01:21:39,307 --> 01:21:41,974 - ♪ I'm a Blackstar ♪ 1730 01:21:41,974 --> 01:21:43,515 ♪ Way up, oh, honey ♪ 1731 01:21:43,515 --> 01:21:44,849 ♪ I've got game ♪ 1732 01:21:44,849 --> 01:21:46,891 ♪ I see right so white ♪ 1733 01:21:46,891 --> 01:21:49,557 ♪ So open-hearted pain ♪ 1734 01:21:49,557 --> 01:21:52,223 ♪ I want eagles in my daydreams ♪ 1735 01:21:52,223 --> 01:21:54,390 ♪ Diamonds in my eyes ♪ 1736 01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:56,390 ♪ I'm a Blackstar ♪ 1737 01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:59,182 ♪ I'm a Blackstar ♪ 1738 01:21:59,182 --> 01:22:03,016 - David is like some, like, bizarre skeletal choir 1739 01:22:03,016 --> 01:22:05,390 doing "I'm a Blackstar, I'm a Blackstar." 1740 01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:07,265 It's this weird thing. It's... 1741 01:22:07,265 --> 01:22:09,640 It makes this whole section very supernatural. 1742 01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,682 - ♪ Somebody else took his place ♪ 1743 01:22:12,682 --> 01:22:14,515 ♪ And bravely cried ♪ 1744 01:22:14,515 --> 01:22:16,932 ♪ I'm a Blackstar ♪ 1745 01:22:16,932 --> 01:22:19,348 ♪ I'm a starstar ♪ 1746 01:22:19,348 --> 01:22:22,099 ♪ I'm a Blackstar ♪ 1747 01:22:22,099 --> 01:22:23,765 ♪ I'm a Blackstar ♪ 1748 01:22:23,765 --> 01:22:26,265 - I imagine it must have been cathartic for him. 1749 01:22:26,265 --> 01:22:31,265 He was working tirelessly, both on "Blackstar" 1750 01:22:31,265 --> 01:22:32,807 and on "Lazarus" 1751 01:22:32,807 --> 01:22:34,557 at the same time. 1752 01:22:34,557 --> 01:22:39,265 Um, perhaps the catharsis 1753 01:22:39,265 --> 01:22:41,099 surrounding "Lazarus" was unique 1754 01:22:41,099 --> 01:22:43,724 in as much as its execution 1755 01:22:43,724 --> 01:22:47,141 required him to relinquish control 1756 01:22:47,141 --> 01:22:48,765 and allow so many other people 1757 01:22:48,765 --> 01:22:52,557 to take it and make it happen. 1758 01:22:52,557 --> 01:22:55,182 - Countryside disappears beneath our feet. 1759 01:22:55,182 --> 01:22:56,849 - You know, I mean, I must say, you know, 1760 01:22:56,849 --> 01:22:58,348 there were times when David and me 1761 01:22:58,348 --> 01:22:59,932 would be reading scenes together. 1762 01:22:59,932 --> 01:23:02,473 You could feel him more in there. 1763 01:23:04,974 --> 01:23:06,599 - This isn't happening. 1764 01:23:06,599 --> 01:23:08,515 I'm still inside my head. 1765 01:23:08,515 --> 01:23:10,473 - You know, you forget... you forget that 1766 01:23:10,473 --> 01:23:11,849 actually, he's...he's... 1767 01:23:11,849 --> 01:23:13,932 of course, we forgot that he was dying. 1768 01:23:13,932 --> 01:23:16,141 - I'm done with this life! 1769 01:23:16,141 --> 01:23:18,141 - The cast, of course, never knew. 1770 01:23:18,141 --> 01:23:20,099 Only me, uh, Ivo, and Robert. 1771 01:23:20,099 --> 01:23:22,141 - And so a new universe. 1772 01:23:22,141 --> 01:23:25,265 I'll dream big up there. 1773 01:23:27,141 --> 01:23:31,307 And although always stuck inside my breaking mind, 1774 01:23:32,974 --> 01:23:35,932 I've stepped off the Earth and into a better place. 1775 01:23:35,932 --> 01:23:39,599 - David didn't want "Heroes" in "Lazarus," 1776 01:23:39,599 --> 01:23:41,932 because "Heroes" had become 1777 01:23:41,932 --> 01:23:43,807 like an anthem. 1778 01:23:43,807 --> 01:23:45,473 He wanted a song 1779 01:23:45,473 --> 01:23:47,016 that would have sent everyone out, 1780 01:23:47,016 --> 01:23:48,265 slitting their wrists. 1781 01:23:50,599 --> 01:23:52,515 Ivo and Enda 1782 01:23:52,515 --> 01:23:55,390 persuaded him that if "Heroes" 1783 01:23:55,390 --> 01:23:57,599 was treated, musically, 1784 01:23:57,599 --> 01:23:59,557 in a different way, 1785 01:23:59,557 --> 01:24:01,057 it would work 1786 01:24:01,057 --> 01:24:03,599 for the ending of "Lazarus." 1787 01:24:07,265 --> 01:24:11,057 - ♪ I ♪ 1788 01:24:11,057 --> 01:24:12,932 ♪ I will be king ♪ 1789 01:24:12,932 --> 01:24:17,057 ♪ ♪ 1790 01:24:17,057 --> 01:24:20,640 ♪ And you ♪ 1791 01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,016 ♪ You will be queen ♪ 1792 01:24:24,016 --> 01:24:26,724 - It's a reflective... it's a beautiful moment. 1793 01:24:26,724 --> 01:24:29,974 "Heroes" is melancholy instead of triumphant. 1794 01:24:29,974 --> 01:24:32,640 ♪ ♪ 1795 01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,932 - Through his relationship with this girl, 1796 01:24:34,932 --> 01:24:37,307 and her re-awakening him 1797 01:24:37,307 --> 01:24:39,390 to his vitality, 1798 01:24:39,390 --> 01:24:42,390 Newton is brought back to life, 1799 01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:46,307 that he may ready himself to die, 1800 01:24:46,307 --> 01:24:48,057 perhaps. 1801 01:24:48,057 --> 01:24:49,891 Or not. 1802 01:24:49,891 --> 01:24:54,891 ♪ But we could be safer ♪ 1803 01:24:54,891 --> 01:24:59,182 ♪ Just for one day ♪ 1804 01:24:59,182 --> 01:25:01,724 - In this catharsis moment at the end with the "Heroes," 1805 01:25:01,724 --> 01:25:04,432 you know, when things clear up, 1806 01:25:04,432 --> 01:25:06,141 he cuts loose everything which 1807 01:25:06,141 --> 01:25:08,640 what in a normal life of a normal human being 1808 01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:09,765 is important. 1809 01:25:09,765 --> 01:25:11,307 ♪ We can be heroes ♪ 1810 01:25:11,307 --> 01:25:12,640 - And then he has to let go 1811 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,515 every hope, 1812 01:25:14,515 --> 01:25:17,099 just accepting, 1813 01:25:17,099 --> 01:25:19,765 well, his own death, at the end. 1814 01:25:19,765 --> 01:25:23,932 ♪ We can be heroes ♪ 1815 01:25:29,223 --> 01:25:32,599 ♪ We can be heroes ♪ 1816 01:25:32,599 --> 01:25:34,182 - So the last thing that you see is 1817 01:25:34,182 --> 01:25:37,307 Michael C. Hall is still on stage, alive, 1818 01:25:37,307 --> 01:25:39,891 but in his mind, he's 1819 01:25:39,891 --> 01:25:42,640 flying away into the stars. 1820 01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,891 That's the last image. 1821 01:25:44,891 --> 01:25:49,557 - ♪ Just for one day ♪ 1822 01:26:05,182 --> 01:26:06,932 - I didn't expect David to be there 1823 01:26:06,932 --> 01:26:08,473 at our opening night. 1824 01:26:08,473 --> 01:26:10,141 We had heard that he was getting weak, 1825 01:26:10,141 --> 01:26:13,640 but he so wanted to be there, and, uh, 1826 01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,265 and he turned up, and he watched it, 1827 01:26:15,265 --> 01:26:16,849 and then afterwards, and he took the bows with us. 1828 01:26:16,849 --> 01:26:19,765 It was very, very sweet. 1829 01:26:19,765 --> 01:26:21,223 - You know, he got through the night, 1830 01:26:21,223 --> 01:26:23,557 but I really am convinced that 1831 01:26:23,557 --> 01:26:25,807 he was fighting death 1832 01:26:25,807 --> 01:26:29,515 and he wanted to continue and to continue 1833 01:26:29,515 --> 01:26:31,974 and then afterwards, we were sitting a little bit, 1834 01:26:31,974 --> 01:26:33,807 talking behind stage, 1835 01:26:33,807 --> 01:26:36,348 and he said, "Let's start the second one now, 1836 01:26:36,348 --> 01:26:37,765 the sequel"... 1837 01:26:37,765 --> 01:26:39,016 "To 'Lazarus.'" 1838 01:26:40,849 --> 01:26:43,765 - The last thing I remember David saying to me 1839 01:26:43,765 --> 01:26:46,432 after, you know, the hugs and the smiles 1840 01:26:46,432 --> 01:26:48,307 and after, uh, 1841 01:26:48,307 --> 01:26:49,849 after that opening night performance, 1842 01:26:49,849 --> 01:26:52,849 was "I think it went well tonight, don't you?" 1843 01:26:52,849 --> 01:26:54,265 That's the last thing 1844 01:26:54,265 --> 01:26:56,141 I remember him saying, and I said, "Yeah, 1845 01:26:56,141 --> 01:26:57,348 I think it did." 1846 01:27:03,891 --> 01:27:06,348 - After the musical opened, 1847 01:27:06,348 --> 01:27:07,849 I got a call saying 1848 01:27:07,849 --> 01:27:10,057 "David would love to see you," 1849 01:27:10,057 --> 01:27:12,557 and so I went over to see him, 1850 01:27:12,557 --> 01:27:14,557 and he was in his bedroom, 1851 01:27:14,557 --> 01:27:16,557 and we chatted. 1852 01:27:16,557 --> 01:27:19,265 It was all very lovely. 1853 01:27:19,265 --> 01:27:20,891 Peaceful. 1854 01:27:20,891 --> 01:27:25,557 And so then we walked to the elevator 1855 01:27:25,557 --> 01:27:29,348 and he said, "You're a genius," 1856 01:27:29,348 --> 01:27:31,765 to me, and I said, "No, no, no. 1857 01:27:31,765 --> 01:27:33,390 "I'm not a genius. 1858 01:27:33,390 --> 01:27:34,891 "I'm just the producer. 1859 01:27:34,891 --> 01:27:37,265 You're the fucking genius." 1860 01:27:37,265 --> 01:27:39,473 And, um, 1861 01:27:39,473 --> 01:27:41,057 we had a hug, 1862 01:27:41,057 --> 01:27:42,515 I got in the elevator. 1863 01:27:42,515 --> 01:27:43,682 That was it. 1864 01:27:43,682 --> 01:27:45,265 Last time I saw him. 1865 01:28:10,223 --> 01:28:12,265 - David said, "I just want to make 1866 01:28:12,265 --> 01:28:14,265 a simple performance video," 1867 01:28:14,265 --> 01:28:17,390 I immediately said, 1868 01:28:17,390 --> 01:28:19,849 "The song is called 'Lazarus.' You should be in a bed." 1869 01:28:21,932 --> 01:28:23,432 To me, that had to do with 1870 01:28:23,432 --> 01:28:25,265 the Biblical aspect of it, you know? 1871 01:28:25,265 --> 01:28:27,348 The man who would rise again. 1872 01:28:27,348 --> 01:28:30,141 And it had nothing to do with him being ill. 1873 01:28:30,141 --> 01:28:33,223 That was only because I liked the imagery of it. 1874 01:28:33,223 --> 01:28:34,807 You know. 1875 01:28:35,849 --> 01:28:37,307 I found out later 1876 01:28:37,307 --> 01:28:39,473 that the week we were shooting 1877 01:28:39,473 --> 01:28:40,807 is when he found out 1878 01:28:40,807 --> 01:28:42,974 that this is...it's over, you know? 1879 01:28:42,974 --> 01:28:44,432 We'll end treatments, or, you know, 1880 01:28:44,432 --> 01:28:47,932 in whatever capacity that means that... 1881 01:28:47,932 --> 01:28:49,390 that his illness has won. 1882 01:28:52,141 --> 01:28:54,390 - ♪ Look up here ♪ 1883 01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:56,307 ♪ I'm in heaven ♪ 1884 01:29:00,057 --> 01:29:02,265 ♪ I've got scars ♪ 1885 01:29:02,265 --> 01:29:04,432 ♪ That can't be seen ♪ 1886 01:29:07,473 --> 01:29:09,599 ♪ I've got drama ♪ 1887 01:29:09,599 --> 01:29:11,640 ♪ Can't be stolen ♪ 1888 01:29:15,182 --> 01:29:17,390 ♪ Everybody ♪ 1889 01:29:17,390 --> 01:29:19,182 ♪ Knows me now ♪ 1890 01:29:22,348 --> 01:29:24,348 - I've watched him record, 1891 01:29:24,348 --> 01:29:26,016 and he's in that song, 1892 01:29:26,016 --> 01:29:27,557 in that feeling, in that moment. 1893 01:29:27,557 --> 01:29:29,182 He would stand in front of the mic, 1894 01:29:29,182 --> 01:29:31,724 and for the four or five minutes he was singing, 1895 01:29:31,724 --> 01:29:34,682 he would pour his heart out. 1896 01:29:34,682 --> 01:29:36,515 The audio picked up his breathing 1897 01:29:36,515 --> 01:29:38,432 between those lines. 1898 01:29:38,432 --> 01:29:40,849 - ♪ Look up here, man ♪ 1899 01:29:40,849 --> 01:29:42,765 ♪ I'm in danger ♪ 1900 01:29:46,348 --> 01:29:50,182 ♪ I've got nothing left to lose ♪ 1901 01:29:53,099 --> 01:29:58,182 ♪ I'm so high, it makes my brain whirl ♪ 1902 01:30:01,390 --> 01:30:06,515 ♪ Dropped my cell phone down below ♪ 1903 01:30:09,016 --> 01:30:10,640 - It wasn't that he was out of breath. 1904 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,099 He was, like, hyperventilating in a way. 1905 01:30:13,099 --> 01:30:16,265 Like, getting... getting his energy up 1906 01:30:16,265 --> 01:30:18,557 to sing this, to deliver this song. 1907 01:30:18,557 --> 01:30:20,682 - ♪ I'll be free ♪ 1908 01:30:20,682 --> 01:30:22,557 - He was quite stoked. 1909 01:30:22,557 --> 01:30:24,432 Like I...like I like to say, in the zone, 1910 01:30:24,432 --> 01:30:26,599 and I could see him through the window 1911 01:30:26,599 --> 01:30:29,265 that he was, you know, really feeling it 1912 01:30:33,515 --> 01:30:37,223 - ♪ Oh, I'll be free ♪ 1913 01:30:41,182 --> 01:30:46,765 ♪ Ain't that just like me? ♪ 1914 01:30:49,265 --> 01:30:51,557 - A man on top of his game. 1915 01:30:51,557 --> 01:30:53,348 It's brilliant, absolutely brilliant, 1916 01:30:53,348 --> 01:30:55,432 and the saddest lyrics to hear... 1917 01:30:55,432 --> 01:30:56,891 hear them now. 1918 01:31:18,974 --> 01:31:21,307 It's nine minutes past 7:00. 1919 01:31:21,307 --> 01:31:23,557 Well, the shock news has only just been 1920 01:31:23,557 --> 01:31:25,307 officially confirmed. 1921 01:31:25,307 --> 01:31:26,974 David Bowie is dead. 1922 01:31:26,974 --> 01:31:29,265 - David Bowie, rock and roll rebel, 1923 01:31:29,265 --> 01:31:31,141 actor, and cultural icon, 1924 01:31:31,141 --> 01:31:32,974 has died at age 69. 1925 01:31:32,974 --> 01:31:37,640 - We lost David Bowie, uh, this morning... 1926 01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:39,932 um, and it's a big deal. 1927 01:31:41,141 --> 01:31:42,557 - ...have the news crews 1928 01:31:42,557 --> 01:31:44,557 and fans from all around the world 1929 01:31:44,557 --> 01:31:46,390 leaving full tribute... - ...In downtown Manhattan, 1930 01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:48,265 and you can see behind me... - He is David Bowie. 1931 01:31:48,265 --> 01:31:50,057 - ...Like his life, has shocked 1932 01:31:50,057 --> 01:31:52,141 fans laying flowers from his... 1933 01:31:52,141 --> 01:31:54,223 - Even the Archbishop of Canterbury 1934 01:31:54,223 --> 01:31:56,432 was a fan. 1935 01:31:56,432 --> 01:31:57,807 - ♪ Heaven loves ya ♪ 1936 01:31:59,932 --> 01:32:03,473 ♪ The clouds part for ya ♪ 1937 01:32:03,473 --> 01:32:06,348 ♪ Nothing stands in your way ♪ 1938 01:32:06,348 --> 01:32:08,182 ♪ When you're a boy ♪ 1939 01:32:13,057 --> 01:32:15,765 ♪ Clothes always fit ya ♪ 1940 01:32:15,765 --> 01:32:18,682 ♪ Life is a pop of the cherry ♪ 1941 01:32:18,682 --> 01:32:20,807 ♪ When you're a boy ♪ 1942 01:32:20,807 --> 01:32:23,432 It's been a incredibly full life, 1943 01:32:23,432 --> 01:32:26,099 and, uh, apart from the drugs in the '70s, 1944 01:32:26,099 --> 01:32:27,849 I think little of it has been wasted 1945 01:32:27,849 --> 01:32:29,515 in terms of I've been able to 1946 01:32:29,515 --> 01:32:31,765 sort of harness every moment in a way. 1947 01:32:31,765 --> 01:32:34,016 I'm...I'm a really lucky chap. 1948 01:32:34,016 --> 01:32:35,557 ♪ Favorite things ♪ 1949 01:32:35,557 --> 01:32:38,432 - And legacy. What... how would you like 1950 01:32:38,432 --> 01:32:40,307 your legacy written? 1951 01:32:40,307 --> 01:32:41,724 - I'd love people to believe 1952 01:32:41,724 --> 01:32:43,557 that I really had great haircuts. 1953 01:32:44,557 --> 01:32:45,724 ♪ Boys ♪ 1954 01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:50,265 ♪ Boys keep swinging ♪ 1955 01:32:50,265 --> 01:32:53,348 ♪ Boys always work it out ♪ 138346

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