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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,119 ♪ Oh, she may be weary 2 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:21,239 ♪ Them young girls, they do get weary... ♪ 3 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:23,399 It is an epic story. 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:29,439 That which gave it life nearly killed it, more than once. 5 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,879 Innocence, naked innocence. 6 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,839 Good and evil, light and dark. 7 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,640 Black and white. 8 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,631 In Memphis in the '60s, people who couldn't 9 00:00:43,643 --> 00:00:47,159 dine together, joined together to make music. 10 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:52,480 Soul music. At a place called Stax. 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,200 We're rolling. Take one. 12 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,919 It was a happening, a cosmic happening. 13 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,399 The door opened, the wind blew in and we were smart enough not to fight it. 14 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,719 We were doing the kind of music that was unheard of. 15 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,999 Raw, gritty, gutsy soul. 16 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,639 We lived every day as though this was the last day we were going to get to do this. 17 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,760 We knew we had something - we just didn't know what. 18 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,280 God almighty! How many hits did we cut? 19 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,279 Stax had the funk. 20 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,959 Stax had the funk. 21 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:39,679 It didn't matter about the colour of your skin. 22 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,159 We weren't in there doing things to prove we were black and they were 23 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,119 trying to prove they were white, we were in their 24 00:01:46,131 --> 00:01:49,280 proving that music is the sentiment of a man's soul. 25 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,801 You had segregation in the City of Memphis but you 26 00:01:55,813 --> 00:01:58,919 could come in to the doors of Stax Records, where you 27 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,837 had freedom, harmony, people working together and 28 00:02:01,849 --> 00:02:04,720 not making a difference between black and white. 29 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,839 After Dr King was assassinated, things began to deteriorate. 30 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,959 We were reduced to our irreducible essence. Naked against the world. 31 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,520 We're still somebody. 32 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,359 So much blood, sweat and tears went into that company, from so many of us. 33 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,439 You've got an environment of camaraderie, the spirit of love and 34 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,208 then you're going to let some people come, guns 35 00:02:32,220 --> 00:02:35,000 strapped on their sides and push people around. 36 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,116 There was a hole in the boat that wouldn't 37 00:02:39,128 --> 00:02:41,759 have sunk the boat without outside influences. 38 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,079 Truth crushed to the earth shall rise again. 39 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,039 Once you're part of the music, 40 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,719 it's till you die. 41 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,799 - Stax. - Stax. - Stax Records. - Stax. 42 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,440 Stax Records. 43 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,320 I am somebody. 44 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,400 Jim Stewart was a banker by day and a country fiddle player at night. 45 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,188 His sister Estelle was a former schoolteacher whose 46 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,240 main exposure to music was through her teenage son. 47 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,479 In 1960, they pooled their money 48 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,839 to rent an old movie theatre in a black Memphis neighbourhood, 49 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,120 hoping to record country songs. 50 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,199 Stax Records was an accident. 51 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,719 Jim Stewart moved into this theatre 52 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,599 and nature threw him a curve. 53 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,159 And a flower garden started to grow, 54 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,600 composed of many different colours and they all came in. 55 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,879 My sister mortgaged her house 56 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,519 to set up the recording studio there, 57 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,719 in that building, which was on McLemore. 58 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,559 Word got around the neighbourhood and we started getting people coming in, 59 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,799 musicians, singers, whatever. 60 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,439 They would come to the studio 61 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,800 and we'd listen to them - talk with them. 62 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:47,559 Robert Talley came by my house and said there was a new recording studio. 63 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,199 Over down McLemore and College. 64 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:55,840 ♪ I done take Very best girl of mine 65 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,359 - ♪ Yeah 66 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:00,999 ♪ I done take 67 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,719 ♪ Very best girl of mine... ♪ 68 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,959 He said, you want to go? 69 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,799 And I said, yeah, let's go see what it's like. 70 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,200 And that - it was just that simple. 71 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,759 ♪ The way you lied about me 72 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,399 ♪ You lied about Louie's too 73 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,400 - ♪ Oh no, oh no - Yeah... ♪ 74 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,319 When the flowers began to play their music 75 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,679 and to demonstrate their creativity, Jim said, I could get into this. 76 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,079 And Estelle said, welcome. 77 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,240 HE PLAYS RIFF FROM "CAUSE I LOVE YOU" 78 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,560 That's the part I play on the baritone sax. 79 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,159 I told them that day I could also play the piano. 80 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,479 He was just a kid, about 15 or 16 years old. 81 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,639 We needed a baritone saxophone, he said, I can play the baritone. 82 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,919 I knew he could play guitar and trombone, all of this. 83 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,279 So we gave him the baritone sax and he had that one line... 84 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,039 At that time, really, 85 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,519 I thought nothing 86 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,879 about white folk. 87 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,119 I think that all white folk are the same. 88 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,416 I'm trying to get my talent out there and they were 89 00:06:26,428 --> 00:06:29,800 the ones to give me that chance to expose my talent. 90 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,916 So, I shared it, that black-white thing at Stax. 91 00:06:36,928 --> 00:06:39,480 We never looked at colour. 92 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,360 We looked at people, their talent. 93 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,162 What Stax was doing, right there in Memphis, which 94 00:06:54,174 --> 00:06:57,199 was right there at the crossroads of the south, 95 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,879 the north, the black, the white, and the blues and the folk, 96 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,720 was really the axis by which everything turned. 97 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,759 Now if you can imagine, 98 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,319 nobody's ever heard R&B music before, 99 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:21,319 white kids had never heard it. And you can imagine what that did to us. 100 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,520 It was like going to another planet, a real good planet, you know. 101 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,439 The band that I had out of high school, all we wanted to play was rhythm and blues. 102 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,999 This guy come up to me, 103 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,999 that I didn't have any classes with, so I didn't really know him. 104 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,559 He introduced himself and "Hey man, I hear you guys have a good band." 105 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,840 "I'd like to be in your band." 106 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,559 And I said, well, we're not looking for anybody, what you do? 107 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,119 He said, I play saxophone. 108 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,047 I said, how long have you been playing? He said, 109 00:07:55,059 --> 00:07:56,760 I've been taking lessons for three months. 110 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,919 Somewhere in that conversation he told me his uncle had a recording studio, 111 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,359 which actually turned out to be a couple of microphones 112 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,680 and a machine in a garage, but hey, in those days it was a recording studio. 113 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,719 Everybody in that band loved the same music, 114 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,840 in the Mar-Keys, everybody loved black guys' music. 115 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,279 Here was a bunch of white guys 116 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,199 trying to do a bunch of black guys' music. 117 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,159 But we started getting some attention and, 118 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,559 and we started to get some notoriety. 119 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:40,279 The first time I walked into a recording studio, 120 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,160 I cut an number-one record and that was Last Night. 121 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,560 You hear fresh people having a great time, they got 122 00:09:12,572 --> 00:09:15,599 invited to a party they didn't even know existed 123 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,330 and they were paying us and we just couldn't 124 00:09:18,342 --> 00:09:20,840 get over it how much fun we were having. 125 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,279 Poor old Jim, it was life and death to him. 126 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,400 He had to sell records and get that groove, man. 127 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,999 Miss Axton felt Last Night was a hit record and nobody else did. 128 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,559 And they didn't want to put it out. 129 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:43,080 She got her way about it and within three weeks it was through the roof. 130 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,359 Atlantic Records out of New York heard about Cause I Love You, 131 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,439 they purchased the master and 132 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,880 from there it just sort of mushroomed. 133 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,879 Maybe it was some chord changes, maybe it was a lick, 134 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,159 maybe it was a song, 135 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,039 but they started playing it. 136 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,239 So, my God, this is fantastic. 137 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,040 And I made a distribution arrangement for it. 138 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:50,760 ♪ In the beginning 139 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,600 ♪ You really loved me 140 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,320 ♪ But I was too blind 141 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:10,040 ♪ And I couldn't see... ♪ 142 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,479 'When I came down here' 143 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,119 and was listening to the radio and turning on TV, 144 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,599 it was like turning back the hands of time 15 or 20 years 145 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,159 from what I was accustomed to in New York. 146 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:31,999 People down here were living like in this little sheltered world 147 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,720 and they were growing up in an era that had already gone by. 148 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,920 ♪ Now I sit and wonder 149 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,599 ♪ So how can this be? ♪ 150 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,624 I couldn't conceive of what would be here, I couldn't 151 00:11:53,636 --> 00:11:56,559 imagine when I pulled up in front of a theatre with 152 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:59,959 a record store in what used to be the lobby, I thought, 153 00:11:59,971 --> 00:12:03,200 well, this has got to be something else. And it was. 154 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,846 Estelle Axton had turned the theatre's 155 00:12:07,858 --> 00:12:11,399 concession stand into the Satellite record shop, 156 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:16,359 welcoming anyone who wanted to buy something or just listen. 157 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:21,199 Her store soon became THE neighbourhood hangout. 158 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,559 During the summer time she'd put a little speaker thing out there 159 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:27,239 on the door so you can hear it. 160 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,959 And we'd dance out on the sidewalk. 161 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,799 Before that I had to drive twenty minutes to Sears to 162 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,719 look at records and all the records out there were only country records. 163 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,319 Mrs Axton had a pulse on the creativity. 164 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:49,239 She knew what the dance beats were, she knew what sound was popular back then. 165 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,959 She wasn't involved in production in terms of being in the studio, 166 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,879 but all of her influence went on in the record shop. 167 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,439 Hey, you guys need to listen to this, this is the hot new dance, 168 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,359 this is the hot beat, this is the kind of song we're going for. 169 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,999 That's how you learn in the music business. 170 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,880 You talk to that person that's buying that product. 171 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,599 And that means you know what to make. 172 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,840 ♪ You don't miss your water 173 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:30,400 ♪ Till your well runs dry-y-y-y. ♪ 174 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,159 When I came to Memphis, everything in Memphis 175 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,599 was segregated. 176 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,159 There was not one thing integrated. 177 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,119 Nothing. 178 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,239 From the cradle to the grave was segregated 179 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,559 in Memphis, Tennessee, 1959 when I moved here. 180 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:56,999 And I never really understood why the graveyards had to be 181 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,119 segregated because dead people get along well, they don't bother nobody. 182 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,679 I found my solace, if you will, when we could go inside of Stax, 183 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:09,600 you know and those doors closed and not be a part of that. 184 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,279 At 926 East McLemore, forget skin tone. 185 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,840 The only tone that mattered came out of your instrument. 186 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,799 Two white Mar-Keys and two black neighbourhood musicians became 187 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:35,359 the greatest recording unit in soul music, Booker T and the MG's. 188 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,879 The one unit 189 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,163 which recorded just about all of the Stax product, 190 00:14:42,175 --> 00:14:45,880 Steve and Duck and Booker T and Al Jackson. 191 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,439 I knew Cropper because he was the clerk at Satellite 192 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,639 and he waited while I listened to tons of records for hours. 193 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,439 I wound up doing odd jobs like marking tapes and sweeping the 194 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,079 floor and cleaning the bin and doing whatever I could. 195 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,999 Every now and then I'd hear music come from behind the curtain. 196 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,199 I knew there was a theatre back there. I didn't know there was a recording studio. 197 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,844 That was the blues that we were playing, that we 198 00:15:31,856 --> 00:15:35,439 thought would make a record that would sell for us. 199 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,559 That was the one we were excited about. 200 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,319 Jim said if we decide to put this out have you got anything you can put on the B-side? 201 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,759 So I happen to remember a riff Booker played me a week or two 202 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,159 prior to that session - it was a pretty good riff. 203 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:24,159 I went through the front doors of the theatre into the Stax studios 204 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,919 and around to studio A and opened the door. 205 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:33,919 And I witnessed something that I had never experienced before, 206 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,799 that these two black guys and these two white guys 207 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,680 were playing music together and I was awestruck. 208 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,599 Booker is the musician in the group, always has been. 209 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,839 Duck and I we know how to pat our foot, 210 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,039 and we know how to dance, we can keep the groove going, 211 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,959 Booker can do that too but he's the musician, always has been. 212 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,159 And Booker would look at me sometimes like, 213 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,880 you don't know that? 214 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,080 It wasn't about the notes of the music or the 215 00:17:38,092 --> 00:17:40,999 melody of the song, it was about the groove. 216 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,279 If you could adapt that song, whatever it was and get it 217 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,559 with Al Jackson he'd put it in the pocket, that's where the song started to happen. 218 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,759 That's when we said, OK, that's a take, guys. 219 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,280 Next song. 220 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,359 I think our family grew just from us being in the studio 221 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,268 and it just grew over the years of us spending time 222 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,199 in the studio, eating lunch together, eating dinner 223 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,120 and it became a family that grew around the music. 224 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:37,479 When a band arrived from Georgia in the fall of 1962, no one could 225 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,190 have known that Stax's biggest star would walk in 226 00:18:40,202 --> 00:18:42,760 carrying the gear for somebody else's session. 227 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:51,199 I remember them pulling up - Johnny Jenkins and the Pinetoppers is who they were. 228 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,159 This big tall guy gets out of the driver's seat, 229 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,679 gets the keys, goes around to the trunk, he starts pulling amplifiers 230 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,638 and microphones and guitars out of the truck, it 231 00:19:00,650 --> 00:19:03,560 was like he was setting up for a gig, you know. 232 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,152 During the session we were having a playback break and 233 00:19:10,164 --> 00:19:13,079 Al Jackson says, you know, the guy who was driving, 234 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,039 Johnny, he's been bugging me to death wanting me to hear him sing. 235 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,719 Would you take some time and get this guy off my back and listen to him? 236 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,726 Everybody was tired and a couple of musicians had 237 00:19:22,738 --> 00:19:26,119 already left, so it was like well we've got to do this, 238 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:30,079 the guy has been sitting here waiting all day, let's see what he sounds like. 239 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,319 So he played church chords, we call them. 240 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,239 And we started playing and he started singing These Arms Of Mine. 241 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,879 And I know my hair lifted out about three inches. 242 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,760 I couldn't believe this guy's voice. 243 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,440 ♪ These arms of mine 244 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,000 ♪ They are lonely 245 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,200 ♪ Lonely and feeling blue 246 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,880 ♪ These arms of mine... ♪ 247 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,199 That moment, 248 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,560 Otis Redding singing that song... 249 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,679 When you're in a moment like that, you're not thinking that it's going 250 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,119 to sell a lot of records, you're thinking... 251 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:18,839 you're, you're... 252 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,879 It's all heart. 253 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,119 It's all heart and the experience of the moment. 254 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:31,120 Time gets frozen there when you're involved in something like that. 255 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,743 They started working on These Arms Of Mine, 256 00:20:35,755 --> 00:20:39,800 and everybody - secretaries, people came out 257 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:46,559 of the record shop - everybody got up and came, and was looking inside. 258 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,519 And when he finished it, 259 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,400 they had another artist! 260 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,959 Otis became that power-packed, raw, gutsy, emotional, serious performer. 261 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,319 I mean, you felt him. You heard the tear in his voice. 262 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,959 And that captivated me. 263 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,279 And when I went on the radio to play records, it was Otis Redding and me. 264 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,120 We were having an affair on the air! 265 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,240 ♪ Fa fa fa fa-fa fa-fa fa fa 266 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,840 ♪ Fa fa fa fa-fa fa-fa fa 267 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,920 ♪ I keep singing them sad, sad songs y'all 268 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,119 ♪ Sad songs is all I know... ♪ 269 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:41,239 But he would come in the door with the whole song, the whole recording 270 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,039 in his mind, and be able to tell all of us what he wanted. 271 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:50,719 He'd come over and sing to us, ♪ Da-da-da-da! ♪ 272 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,999 And get right in your face and do that to you. 273 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,799 ♪ Anybody can sing it any old time... ♪ 274 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,559 He put a spark under Stax. There's no question about it. 275 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,800 He never ran out of ideas. 276 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,439 Otis going to help you get to a different place because Otis is 277 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,359 going to come in, Otis is going to hum the horn parts, the bass parts, 278 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:15,399 and give you the parts, then go up on the microphone 279 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,279 and he's going to start stomping pigeon-toe 280 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,720 and knocking it dead. I mean, he was just unbelievable. 281 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,919 These were, like, during the '60s, all of the Black Power movement, 282 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,919 marches and all these things were coming along. 283 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,399 Otis wrote Respect for that, and he put it 284 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,200 in the sense of a love relationship but it was about life, really. 285 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,599 ♪ What you want Honey you've got it 286 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,639 ♪ What you need Baby you've got it 287 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,719 ♪ All I'm asking 288 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,479 ♪ Is for a little respect when I come home 289 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,080 ♪ Yeah Hey hey hey 290 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,840 ♪ Oh Lord 291 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,679 ♪ Do me wrong Honey if you want to 292 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,879 ♪ Do me wrong While I'm gone 293 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,719 ♪ All I'm asking 294 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,920 ♪ For a little respect when I come home 295 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:39,880 ♪ Hey little girl 296 00:23:39,881 --> 00:23:41,799 ♪ You're sweeter than honey 297 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,439 ♪ And I'm about to give you all of my money 298 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,479 ♪ All I'm asking, hey 299 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,839 ♪ Is a little respect when I come home, yeah, yeah, yeah 300 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,760 ♪ Hey, hey 301 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,480 ♪ Oh, Lord 302 00:23:56,481 --> 00:24:00,519 ♪ R-E-S-P-E-C-T Find out what it means to me 303 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,400 ♪ R-E-S-P-E-C-T Take care TCB 304 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,719 ♪ Respect Respect is what I want 305 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,800 ♪ Respect is what I need 306 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,079 ♪ Got to got to have it 307 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,239 ♪ Got to got to have it Got to got to have it 308 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,000 ♪ Give it to me baby Give it to me baby... ♪ 309 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,999 I grew up in a neighbourhood 310 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,639 that was obviously segregated, and there was one man 311 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,599 who had a fruit stand, 312 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,399 and he raised pedigree bull dogs. 313 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,759 And that's a place where I was able to go 314 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,319 and make a little money cleaning up after those filthy bulldogs. 315 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,999 He said, "Niggers can't do nothing but sing and dance. 316 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,959 "For some odd reason." 317 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,119 I realised, "Wait a minute. 318 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,879 Singing and dancing, you make a lot of money. 319 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,039 "So that's not a problem. 320 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,320 That's a positive! That's an opportunity!" 321 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,799 After high school in Little Rock, Al Bell attended Southern Christian 322 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,039 Leadership Conference workshops with Martin Luther 323 00:25:26,051 --> 00:25:29,239 King, but Bell's vision was economic empowerment. 324 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,320 He became a top DJ on the east coast before returning south to take a job at Stax. 325 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,799 We weren't a professional company 326 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,239 before Al. We didn't have big business going on. 327 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,919 We had big music going on, but we didn't know how to do it. 328 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,759 Jim didn't know how to do it. Jim was a banker. 329 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,544 Al Bell had a beard, and he was announcing blackness, 330 00:25:51,556 --> 00:25:54,719 which, you know, wasn't done very much then. 331 00:25:54,720 --> 00:26:00,839 To sit in that office with this white man, sharing the same telephone, 332 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,828 sharing the same thoughts, and being treated like an 333 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,840 equal human being, was a breath of fresh air for me. 334 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,159 Al was very creative, but Al, of course, took 335 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:21,399 more and more responsibility, not only the promotion but business. 336 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,079 He's beautiful. He can make anything... 337 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,399 I mean, the bigger the numbers, the more Al liked it. 338 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,679 If you'd said, "Al, a billion dollars," 339 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:36,120 he probably would have lit up and shot out the roof, like a rocket! 340 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,199 He said, "I'm going to make a graph, I'm going to make a thermometer." 341 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,359 And he says, "At the end of the week's sales, when I get 342 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,919 "the weekly report, I'm going to colour in the thermometer." 343 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,999 And that the very top of the thermometer, I had where 344 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,639 it would explode and out into what I called heaven. 345 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,760 And that was after we'd achieved a million. 346 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,499 So, we couldn't wait to come in on Monday morning 347 00:27:02,511 --> 00:27:04,439 and see where that mark was going to be. 348 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,987 They'd come in, and just see that thermometer 349 00:27:06,999 --> 00:27:09,279 just increasing, increasing, increasing. 350 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,879 And as it increased, the morale increased, people got more excited and all of that. 351 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,919 And eventually it exploded into heaven. 352 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,319 Stax never suspected that one of the greatest songwriting teams in history 353 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,719 was developing at their doorstep. 354 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,919 Isaac Hayes and David Porter, who would ride the highs 355 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,594 and lows with Stax, were two neighbourhood 356 00:27:30,606 --> 00:27:33,479 kids scraping by, hoping to make it in music. 357 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,559 Isaac lived with his grandmother. 358 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,071 For some reason, he was an orphan, and sometimes he'd 359 00:27:39,083 --> 00:27:42,279 sleep over in the back seat of a car. And David, 360 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,440 he sold instruments, and he sacked groceries across the street from Stax. 361 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,159 I was working at a grocery store, singing at a club, 362 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,559 under the name of Little David, at night. 363 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,679 Just trying to get in, selling life insurance, 364 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,119 and I had an old raggedy car. And he didn't have a car. 365 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:14,119 And we would ride down the street, and... 366 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:19,479 You could tell where we'd been, because we'd leave a trail 367 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,760 of foam from his seat cushion, falling out the bottom of his car! 368 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,159 They'd see us with our cases and they'd tease us, 369 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,079 "Hey, hit makers, how many hits y'all write today?" 370 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,640 But we just kept trudging on, you know, relentlessly. 371 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,799 After years of not finding their own sound, Sam and Dave signed 372 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,637 with Jerry Wexler at Atlantic, who sent them to 373 00:29:00,649 --> 00:29:03,319 the hinterland of Memphis to record at Stax. 374 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,759 Sam and Dave were sure it was the end of their career. 375 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,279 The tears started streaming down my face. 376 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,240 I looked at Dave and I said, "Oh my God... 377 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,520 "How could Atlantic do this to us?" 378 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,679 ♪ You don't know like I know 379 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,559 ♪ What that woman has done for me 380 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,639 ♪ Now in the morning... ♪ 381 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,279 Sam and Dave are the dynamic duo. 382 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:53,919 And I'd also like to refer to Isaac and David as being the dynamic duo of writers. 383 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,159 That's one of the greatest things that ever happened. 384 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,479 ♪ ..I ever had 385 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,199 ♪ I got her back and like a miracle 386 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,520 ♪ Now everything is all right 387 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,079 ♪ You don't know like I know 388 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,599 ♪ What that woman has done for me 389 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,519 ♪ In the morning, she's my water 390 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,719 ♪ And in the evening she's my cup of tea 391 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,359 ♪ Nobody knows, nobody knows 392 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,519 ♪ Nobody knows like I know 393 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,759 - ♪ You don't know - You don't know 394 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,079 - ♪ You don't know - Nobody knows 395 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,959 - ♪ Nobody knows - My baby don't know 396 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,599 - ♪ Nobody, yeah - Nobody... ♪ 397 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,719 Because that was a chemistry. 398 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,279 Sam and Dave, 399 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,079 Hayes and Porter. That chemistry works. 400 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,119 And right behind the song You Don't Know Like I Know. 401 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,279 We knew we had found ourselves, 402 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,999 and so that's when it changed for us. 403 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,777 And we became extremely comfortable in her own skin 404 00:31:03,789 --> 00:31:07,359 to do hits on anybody, and we got cocky with it. 405 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,840 They would send these masters up north, and I'd say, "Praise Jesus!" 406 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,039 Stax threw open its doors to capture the sound of the street. 407 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,239 Feeling was all that mattered. 408 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,629 Meanwhile, up north in Detroit, another label 409 00:31:27,641 --> 00:31:30,599 was packaging R&B for crossover appeal. 410 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,279 There was no comparison. 411 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,479 You know, there was only one Joe Lewis, only one Muhammad Ali, 412 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,720 there's only one Motown. 413 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,279 ♪ I got sunshine 414 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,680 ♪ On a cloudy day 415 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,439 ♪ When it's cold outside 416 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,279 ♪ I've got the month of May... ♪ 417 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,039 And Motown was, like, THE company for me. 418 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,519 Because Berry Gordy was doing what I wanted to see done 419 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,559 in the marketplace with the record company, 420 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,399 in terms of how the company was perceived 421 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,759 and accepted by the larger segment of society. 422 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,279 When we were cutting hit records, 423 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,239 we had a factory with multiple amount of producers and writers. 424 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,160 We had an assembly-line type procedure. 425 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,199 But Stax and me had that funky stuff... 426 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,559 Whoom-bop-whoom... 427 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,639 That big bass thing that come out at you. 428 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,759 Reached out and grab you. Whoom-a-boom... 429 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,079 That was the difference between Stax and Motown. 430 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,999 Motown had the sweet, 431 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,440 but Stax had the funk. 432 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,199 Everybody, sing it out loud. ♪ Hey, hey, hey... ♪ 433 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,999 One more time. 434 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,360 ♪ Hey, hey, hey 435 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,640 ♪ Mmm, yeah, yeah, oh 436 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,399 ♪ I don't need no money 437 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,560 ♪ All I need is my friend 438 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,319 ♪ I got all the riches, baby 439 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,680 ♪ One big man can claim 440 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,359 ♪ Oh-h-h-h, I guess... ♪ 441 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,680 For Otis Redding to get a shot at Motown... 442 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:50,479 No, they did not have an open-door policy at Motown records. Never. 443 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,239 ♪ ..Talkin' 'bout my girl 444 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,319 ♪ I got sunshine... ♪ 445 00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,319 They took great pride in saying, "Hitsville USA!" 446 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,559 And so, in my mind, I thought something should be done to distinguish us 447 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,039 from Motown, then people would have to look at us as, 448 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,679 "Oh, this is the one that's different from Hitsville. 449 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,240 "This is Soulsville." 450 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,959 As late as 1970, the City of Memphis closed public pools 451 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,439 rather than abide by court ordered integration. 452 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,279 But you wouldn't know that at the Lorraine Motel, where Stax artists 453 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,799 found a refuge for swimming, for socialising and for song-writing. 454 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,559 The Lorraine was just the hotel. 455 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,679 It was the hotel for blacks in Memphis. 456 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,719 Everyone stayed at the Lorraine Hotel. 457 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:51,599 If you wanted to meet your friends, any time you went to the Lorraine, 458 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,319 somebody was there. 459 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,234 When it was too hot in the summer, we didn't have 460 00:34:57,246 --> 00:34:59,879 air-conditioning, and we'd live by the pool. 461 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,237 Mr Berry would bring us fried chicken, and 462 00:35:02,249 --> 00:35:04,839 we'd eat ice-cream and all this kind of stuff. 463 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,279 And we'd just frolic until the sun goes down. Let's go back to work. 464 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,839 I'd go in, take my horn out, sit on the edge of the bed... use a mute, 465 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,159 so that I wouldn't wake up people on another floor. 466 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,759 We're at the Lorraine Hotel on a night that's raining and storming. 467 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,399 The lightning was... 468 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,328 All of that. 469 00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:29,159 A funny thing when I was writing songs with Eddie Floyd, 470 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,519 he'd give us the honeymoon suite if he didn't have it booked! 471 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,279 It was all this plush red velvet stuff everywhere. It was great! 472 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,599 And I told him the story of when I was a kid, from Montgomery Alabama. 473 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,759 When it was storming, we used to hide under the bed. 474 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,879 And we'd be frightened. 475 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,159 He said, "That's it! That's it! 476 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,400 "It's like thunder, lightning..." 477 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,719 ♪ The way you love me is frightening 478 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,600 ♪ I better knock... on wood 479 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,519 ♪ Yeah... ♪ 480 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,159 I'm gonna knock on some wood 481 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,719 Everybody over here. 482 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,119 ♪ Knock 483 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,599 ♪ Oh, yeah 484 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,839 ♪ Knock... ♪ 485 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,000 Everybody. 486 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,319 ♪ All right 487 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,000 ♪ Oh, yeah... ♪ 488 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,079 While people fought for integration on the streets of America, at Stax, 489 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,759 "race," in the words of one musician, "was what you did on the way to the bank." 490 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,839 Because really Dr King was preaching what we were about inside of Stax. 491 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,919 We didn't stop to think about it, but that's what he was preaching, 492 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,070 where you judge a person by the content of their 493 00:37:03,082 --> 00:37:05,199 character rather than the colour of their skin. 494 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,159 The first time we ever stopped at this Dairy Queen, 495 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,599 it had "coloured only" 496 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,519 picture on the side of the building. 497 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,799 You know, "coloured only". And the white in the front. 498 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,799 We pulled up in the gravel, and when the dust cleared, 499 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,599 I started to get out, and I saw "coloured only", and I thought, 500 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,887 "Oh my God, if I go up there with my friends, 501 00:37:29,899 --> 00:37:31,999 I'm going to make all these rednecks mad. 502 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,439 "And if I go up there to the white window, all my friends... 503 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,079 I had to ride home with a bunch of hornets real mad at me! 504 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,159 I said, "Here Andrew, take this 5, bring me a cheeseburger and a milkshake. 505 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,639 "I'll wait for you right here!" And stayed in the car! 506 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,631 That was during the time when there was a lot 507 00:37:50,643 --> 00:37:53,319 of racial unrest in this country, and... 508 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,959 All the black businesses, if they write "soul" 509 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,079 on their business, they'll bypass it. 510 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,997 And I thought about the night of the Passover in 511 00:38:02,009 --> 00:38:04,759 the Bible, the blood of the lamb on the door. 512 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,839 The first-born is spared. I said, "Soul, that's just pride." 513 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,359 Soul! Soul man. 514 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,519 Soul man! 515 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,279 Yeah! So I called David, and I said, "I got one, man." 516 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,159 ♪ I'm coming to ya on a dust road 517 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,559 ♪ Good lovin' I got a truckload 518 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,839 ♪ And when you get it You got somethin' 519 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,239 ♪ So don't worry cos I'm comin' 520 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,760 ♪ I'm a soul man 521 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,680 ♪ I'm a soul man 522 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,280 ♪ I'm a soul man 523 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,040 ♪ I'm a soul man... ♪ 524 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,359 I was a part of that group of African Americans 525 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,999 that did not have that "let me hold my head down" 526 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,799 and "yessir, boss" and that kind of crap. I wasn't down for that. 527 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,440 ♪ I'm a soul man 528 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,399 ♪ I'm a soul man 529 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,840 ♪ Yes, I am, I'm a soul man 530 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,680 ♪ I'm a soul man... ♪ 531 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,239 I always smiled with everybody, but I'd kick your ass. 532 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:26,799 There was a pinnacle part of segregation going out. 533 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,279 I'm a soul man. I'm thinking, "I'm a black man, 534 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,959 "I'm going to..." No, he didn't mean that. 535 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,028 It means that whatever your hardship in your life, 536 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,120 if you're able to get up and you... keep moving... 537 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,559 You could see the crowd building, you know. The society was gonna change. 538 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,719 You could feel it building. Even my group, you know, the integrated, er, 539 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,359 instrumental group, you know, 540 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,640 was a sign that things were about to change. 541 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,879 Andrew and I always said, "What are we going to do when this is over? 542 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,474 You know, this will end one day, maybe tomorrow, 543 00:40:26,486 --> 00:40:29,039 and we'll be just like we were when we started, 544 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,319 a couple of kids didn't get an education, 545 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,319 but know how to play these horns, what are we gonna do? 546 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,639 Are we gonna have a bait shop, or sell barbecue, and 45s? 547 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,599 "What are we gonna do?" 548 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,279 So, when we got to, erm, '67, when we went to Europe, 549 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,141 and we saw the reaction in the European crowd to what 550 00:40:49,153 --> 00:40:51,919 we were doing, we knew that we'd made a difference. 551 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,999 ♪ Listen while I'm talkin' to you now 552 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,279 ♪ Tell you what I'm gonna do now 553 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,679 ♪ There's a new thing going around now 554 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,839 ♪ I'll tell what to put down now 555 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,839 ♪ You move your body all around And just shake! 556 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,919 ♪ Go, go now, baby, now 557 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,079 ♪ That's the way you do it! Shake, shake, shake it, baby... ♪ 558 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,119 He was very excited about going to Europe. 559 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,519 And he tried to get me to come along, 560 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,359 but I'm, you know, I was a wife and a mother. 561 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:40,719 He called home at least four or five times a day, he would say, "I blew them away." 562 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,800 And I'm like, "OK, it's 4 o'clock in the morning." 563 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,719 We did a lot of halls where rhythm and blues music had not been - 564 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:56,999 they were concert halls, symphonic halls, and we were kind of anxious 565 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,799 cos we didn't know how people were gonna accept it, 566 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,559 we didn't know what kind of audience was coming. 567 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,399 The European people went crazy, they went crazy! 568 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,479 Wow, they like us! 569 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,400 Huh? You know, they like us! 570 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,359 ♪ But if you wanna really roll 571 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,839 ♪ Gotta do the thing with soul 572 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,439 ♪ Shake, shake with all your might, yeah 573 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,679 ♪ If you do it, do it right now 574 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,319 ♪ Let your body loose tonight Lord have mercy, shake! 575 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,639 ♪ Everybody say shake! One more time, say shake...! ♪ 576 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,839 To be treated by the bellhops or attendants at the hotels 577 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:48,839 in London like stars, we hadn't felt that or experienced that before. 578 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,480 Dr King said, "Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, I'm free at last!" 579 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,399 It changed everybody's perception of themselves, 580 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,559 cos none of us had ever been paid that much attention. 581 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,199 That Stax tour just, it gave us a new insight 582 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,100 to what the world really thought of us, cos we 583 00:43:15,112 --> 00:43:17,839 didn't think outside the block we lived on. 584 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,239 - ♪ Hold on, baby - Hold on! 585 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:26,079 - ♪ Gotta hold on - You've got to hold on 586 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:31,479 ♪ Hold on, baby! Hold on... ♪ 587 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,599 We just, you know, we would throw our coats off, 588 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,519 and spin and turn and sing and... 589 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,120 That was it! 590 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,879 They had everybody just, you know, in pandemonium, I mean, they'd faint. 591 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,747 One of the would just faint, fall out, come out, drag 592 00:43:57,759 --> 00:44:01,279 him off stage, then Sam would say, "Good night." 593 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,319 Dave would come back out, and start again. 594 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,959 I've got to tell you, when Sam and Dave finished, 595 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,919 Otis Redding broke from behind that stage out and grabbed the microphone, 596 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,599 and he started going from one end of the stage to the other end of the stage, 597 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,919 I couldn't believe what was going on, it was, "Gotta, gotta, gotta..." 598 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,760 just the energy that I'd never seen before. 599 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,839 ♪ But it's all all so easy 600 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:58,639 ♪ All you've got to do is try try a little tenderness 601 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,879 ♪ Yeah, yeah, man 602 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,079 ♪ All you've got to do is know how to grab her 603 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,879 ♪ You've got to hold her and squeeze her 604 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,479 ♪ You've gotta, gotta 605 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,519 ♪ Gotta, gotta, gotta Try a little tenderness! 606 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,839 ♪ Say, yeah, tenderness 607 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:21,199 ♪ You gotta... make love You've gotta hold her 608 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,519 ♪ And squeeze her Never leave her 609 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,359 ♪ Gotta, gotta... 610 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,279 ♪ Try a little tenderness, yeah 611 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,079 ♪ All you got to do is take my advice 612 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,199 ♪ You gotta hold her, squeeze her 613 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,559 ♪ Don't ever leave her 614 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,119 ♪ You gotta gotta nah-nah-nah 615 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,119 ♪ You've got to try a little tenderness 616 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,239 ♪ Yeah, yeah Lord, have mercy 617 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:51,519 ♪ You gotta All you've got to do is... 618 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,319 ♪ Hold her and squeeze her 619 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,599 ♪ Never leave her Tcha-tcha-tcha-tcha-tcha... 620 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,079 ♪ Try a little tenderness 621 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:07,719 ♪ Lord have mercy You've got to hold her 622 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,039 ♪ And squeeze her, never leave her 623 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,999 ♪ Tcha-tcha-tcha-tcha-tcha... 624 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,080 A little tenderness! ♪ 625 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,719 Let me hear it for Otis one more time, ladies and gentlemen! 626 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:28,439 The fantastic, unbelievable man of soul, Otis Redding! 627 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,680 Let me here it for Otis way out in the back there! 628 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,479 We ended up playing the Monterey Pop Festival, that was the culmination 629 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,640 of our European Tour, and that was a life-changing experience for me. 630 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,645 With 50,000 people there, and they had all the hippy 631 00:46:48,657 --> 00:46:50,919 guys with the long hair and the torn blue jeans 632 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,199 and the tennis shoes, and there we were, in silk suits, 633 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,599 and beetle boots, and sweaters, the like, doing steps. 634 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,959 So we must have looked like a lounge act or something, 635 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,179 I don't know what, but it killed 'em, and when 636 00:47:06,191 --> 00:47:09,559 Otis walked on stage, it was over for everybody. 637 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,999 This is the love crowd, right? 638 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,319 - We all love each other, don't we? - Yeah! 639 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,960 All right... 640 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,279 ♪ I've been 641 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,000 ♪ Loving you 642 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,160 ♪ Too long 643 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,120 ♪ To stop now 644 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,679 ♪ You are tired... ♪ 645 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,159 But we got so much attention when we were in Europe, 646 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,791 and to be invited to do Monterrey, we looked 647 00:47:57,803 --> 00:48:00,879 at each other and said, "This is it." 648 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,239 And at that night, as Andrew and I tipped up a bottle of Jack Daniels 649 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:08,360 in our hotel room, he said, "I think we can make a living at this." 650 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,639 And that was the day that we turned that corner. 651 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,840 27 years old. 652 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,080 ♪ And I don't wanna stop now, no... ♪ 653 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,080 Can you do that one more time? 654 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:36,000 Do it just one more time, one more... Just one more time! 655 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,519 Otis was our standard bearer, I mean, he was THE man, I mean, 656 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:52,079 the world was beginning to view Stax as Otis Redding. 657 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,039 ♪ ..Can't stop now... ♪ 658 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,199 1967 was a meteoric year for Otis Redding. 659 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:05,199 After Monterrey, he was embracing a new life with the pop audience. 660 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:11,279 27 years old, and at the peak of his creative abilities, he left in December 661 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,519 on a weekend tour of the Midwest, in his new plane. 662 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,119 I had spoke with him earlier that morning, 663 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,439 he won't speak to the kids, and it was like something is not right. 664 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,759 Something, it was a feeling. 665 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,760 ♪ ..For too long 666 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,759 ♪ And I don't want to stop now 667 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,040 ♪ No, no, no 668 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,799 ♪ I've been loving you 669 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:47,079 ♪ Just a little bit too long... ♪ 670 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,919 We just happened to turn on the TV, 671 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,919 and then they said, "Bulletin - plane belonging to Otis Redding..." 672 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,080 I just put my hands in my ear, I didn't even hear the rest of it. 673 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,639 And he said, "Man, did you hear about Otis?" 674 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,679 They all went in the lake, up in Wisconsin. 675 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,119 I said, you mean, they had a crash? 676 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,320 He said, "Yes, and they're all gone." 677 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:27,879 I can remember the minister, because he was the minister that married us. 678 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,839 It was just too much 679 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,880 for my mind, for my body, too much sorrow. 680 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,039 ♪ I love you, baby I love you, honey 681 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,960 ♪ Good God Almighty, Good God Almighty, I love! ♪ 682 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,639 Stax lost their biggest star, and the heart and soul of the label. 683 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,719 Then, within weeks, they learned that the fine print 684 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:13,231 of their distribution deal with Atlantic took from 685 00:51:13,243 --> 00:51:15,519 them ownership of everything they'd released. 686 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,119 Stax found itself gutted, 687 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,919 a record company with no records. 688 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:29,319 I had not read the fine print in the distribution agreement, 689 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:36,119 and Gerry Webster, I love Gerry, you know, but we had a serious, 690 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,719 serious argument. 691 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:44,879 It was sort of like, "That's not what you said and that's not what you implied." 692 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,639 But they'd go, "Yeah, but the paper says this." 693 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,319 Well, there didn't need to be any paper in the first place. 694 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:57,199 As it turned out, Sam and Dave were not really signed to Stax as artists, 695 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,600 they were signed to Atlantic and loaned out to Stax. 696 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,719 It was a family thing! That chemistry works, 697 00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:15,119 so, when they broke that mould, and took us back, 698 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,839 it all went downhill after that. 699 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:23,639 So these were really Atlantic artists, and we were the little guys 700 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,960 down in Memphis Tennessee who really didn't get it, didn't know it. 701 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:41,199 In the face of all these hardships, the Stax family could still rely on each other. 702 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,559 But in early 1968, 703 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:49,560 something happened in Memphis that would banish Stax from its garden. 704 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,199 When you listen to the music that came out of Stax, 705 00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,919 you would think that Memphis was this sort of special oasis of... 706 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,359 of inter-group love and affection, and co-existence, 707 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,040 and that type of thing, but it was really just the opposite. 708 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,199 It was a very intractable situation, where the power structure in Memphis 709 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:28,560 wasn't interested in recognising the humanity of this strata of workers. 710 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:34,319 We have an illegal strike here, but this city, like most cities, 711 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,080 is a product of the times caused by what's happening countrywide. 712 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,399 The garbage men were not separate people that you didn't see every day, 713 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,839 my father always taught me to shake their hands and say hello to them. 714 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,159 They were really a part of the fabric of the society. 715 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,320 Their fight was everybody's fight. 716 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,839 Men who break their backs, day after day, 717 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,919 for peanuts, 718 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,240 instead of wages! 719 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:21,000 They turned to Martin Luther King because there was nowhere else to go with this. 720 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,560 Not only Memphis, 721 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,319 but you are reminding the nation 722 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:35,119 that it is a crime for people 723 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:42,480 to live in this rich nation, and receive starvation wages. 724 00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:02,399 What I found interesting about the location of Dr King's death, 725 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,039 that we at Stax had found the Lorraine hotel 726 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,959 to be our oasis number two. 727 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,759 I was there when that bullet was fired, I was standing on the balcony, 728 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,319 I mean, I spent the last hour of his life on earth. 729 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,599 About a quarter to six, we stepped on that balcony, he stood here, I stood here. 730 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,759 I got five steps. 731 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,759 K-pow! 732 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,280 The shot rang out. 733 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:38,239 I looked back and saw he had been knocked from the railing back onto the balcony. 734 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,519 I rushed to his side, 735 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,079 there was a gaping hole in the right side of his face. 736 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,639 Blood everywhere, just bleeding profusely. 737 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,981 I ran in the room to call an ambulance, you 738 00:55:48,993 --> 00:55:51,400 couldn't use the phone without the operator. 739 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,279 When the operator heard the shot, she left the switchboard, 740 00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:01,239 I'm beating on the wall saying, "Answer the phone, answer the phone." 741 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:04,779 She went in the courtyard, looked up and saw Martin 742 00:56:04,791 --> 00:56:08,479 on the floor, and she had a heart attack on the spot. 743 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,359 She died about four days later. 744 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,639 I ran back outside, the police were coming, 745 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,964 and I hollered to them, "Call an ambulance on 746 00:56:16,976 --> 00:56:19,159 your police radio, Dr King has been shot!" 747 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,519 They said, "Where did the shock come from?" 748 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:26,199 So that's where the picture comes with us pointing to the building across the street. 749 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,119 "Where did the shot come from?" 750 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:34,200 ♪ All those nights I watched the four walls 751 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,400 ♪ I didn't have to watch them all alone. ♪ 752 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,920 The death of Martin Luther... 753 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:54,719 The whole complexion of everything changed... it had to. 754 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:56,999 We stayed closed, 755 00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:04,199 the shop, and the studio, for about a week I guess, four or five days, 756 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,199 because we wanted to respect the people. 757 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,679 I can tell you that prior to that, as far as I know, 758 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,599 there was never, ever any colour 759 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,399 that came through the doors. 760 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:19,920 Didn't happen. 761 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,440 And, erm, 762 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,919 after that, it was never the same. 763 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,559 I was devastated, 764 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,999 and I prayed, I deal with things the same way 765 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,759 that God dealt with Adam, 766 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,500 when he walked in the garden, and Adam had hid himself 767 00:57:45,512 --> 00:57:48,719 from him, he was Adams's friend, he made Adam, 768 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,120 they walked and talked together, every day. 769 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,679 And all of a sudden, there was a breach, and my prayer was 770 00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:01,040 that things happen with sex, when the breach came, 771 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,599 that somebody could remove the breach 772 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,320 and reclaim that that was almost lost. 773 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,959 Everything changed, it had to. 774 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,799 Gone were the heroes, the stars, 775 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:33,920 all the records they'd made, yet among the ashes, an ember still burned. 776 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,239 They said Stax is dead, there will be no more Stax. 777 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:44,199 From that moment, there was Stax, I was on the keel, 778 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,839 to take Stax and those artists to that level of appreciation in this country. 779 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,359 We had a lot of confidence, and so we were very adamant 780 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,799 and determined that we were gonna be successful. 781 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,639 Al Bell, when he came to Stax, he brought that 782 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,279 large sack of BS with him, 783 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,159 he could get on the telephone and make things happen. It was great! 784 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,879 We were all young, and naive, I guess. 785 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:16,039 And certainly, our love for what we were doing, 786 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,599 even at that point, and for Stax records, was unquestionable. 787 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:26,719 Al Bell was like a rocket that was already launched, and was orbiting, 788 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,839 and nothing could stop him. 789 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,359 He'd dip that phone in BS, 790 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,759 and everybody at the other end would go, "Yeah!" They'd like it! 791 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,479 It was during that period of time when the finger snap was developed. 792 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,477 And the finger snap at that point in time, even though 793 00:59:42,489 --> 00:59:45,279 we had the records flipping up and down, you know, 794 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,799 off the turntable, the finger snap signalled a change. 795 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,359 Stax was a company that had been betrayed and almost ruined 796 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:17,279 but the music, its soul, refused to die. 797 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,560 Somewhere in the wreckage, a new vision began taking shape. 798 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:36,119 In the process, I started looking for whatever that sound 799 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,759 could have been or would have been 800 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:46,879 that was a merger between Stax and this raw, gritty, gutsy soul 801 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:53,160 and Motown in its contemporary, sophisticated, polished soul. 802 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,296 Who's Making Love was a step off the curb for all 803 01:00:59,308 --> 01:01:02,719 of us cos it was such a sexually charged song. 804 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,919 ♪ Tell me who's making love to your old lady 805 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,159 ♪ While you were out making love? 806 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,679 ♪ Who's making love to your old lady 807 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,239 ♪ While you were out making love? 808 01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,320 ♪ I've seen so many fellows 809 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,759 ♪ All in that same old bag 810 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,359 ♪ Thinkin' that a woman is made to 811 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,159 ♪ To be beat on and treated so bad. ♪ 812 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,959 I would have guys who would say, 813 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,879 "why did you write a song like that? 814 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,519 "You had me going back home 815 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,399 "checking to see if my wife was leaving home with somebody." 816 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,079 I said, "Well, see, you had a guilty conscience." 817 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:51,399 ♪ ..I'm sure that you never even dreamed of 818 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,439 ♪ Somebody was a-lovin' my old lady 819 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,760 ♪ While I was out makin' love... ♪ 820 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,880 Who's Making Love sold more copies than any Stax record ever had. 821 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,039 With the new sound came new songwriters, new musicians 822 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,840 and new currency in the cash box on which dreams could be built. 823 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,319 The idea was to try to get as many hit records 824 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,119 as we possibly can in the market place and then do the impossible, 825 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,456 let us have a sales conference, let us put 826 01:02:45,468 --> 01:02:49,439 together 28 albums and I worked that out on paper, 827 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,310 bring all these distributors in and let them know 828 01:02:52,322 --> 01:02:55,320 that we are formidable, independent record company. 829 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,080 Everybody believed in everything Al Bell said, 830 01:03:06,092 --> 01:03:09,079 "We are going to do 28 albums." "Yeah? When?" 831 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,919 27 albums was a mercy. 832 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,488 We had a meeting, everything was explained to 833 01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:19,079 us that we have got to rebuild the catalogue. 834 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,908 I was busy back and forth on the phone pumping 835 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,880 everybody up and just driving, driving, driving. 836 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,079 Soul Explosion venture, Al Bell's baby. 837 01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,999 Al Bell came up with this idea that he was going to explode and flood 838 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,959 the market with Stax material, 839 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,919 one was a major success and that was Hot Buttered Soul. 840 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:57,400 ♪ Mmmm-mmmm 841 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,879 ♪ I just can't get over losing you 842 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:10,480 ♪ So if I seem all broke in two 843 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:18,839 ♪ Please walk on by 844 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,120 ♪ Walk on by 845 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,399 ♪ Foolish pride... ♪ 846 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:33,399 It was just a beautiful thing to see Isaac go from background guy 847 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,439 to singer with this unique and unusual record, becoming a superstar. 848 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,839 ♪ You gave me, you put the hurt on me 849 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,439 ♪ You socked it to me, mama 850 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:47,999 ♪ When you said goodbye... ♪ 851 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,999 I saw something in Isaac Hayes that I had not seen before. 852 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,319 That bald head, bald heads weren't popular back then, 853 01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,079 but Isaac Hayes had a bald head, 854 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:03,159 from a marketing standpoint we could probably do wonders with this guy. 855 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:08,759 When Al Bell told me he wanted me to help him out with these acts being recorded 856 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,243 for the spring sales meeting I said, I want to do 857 01:05:11,255 --> 01:05:13,600 an album myself and do it the way I wanted to. 858 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:20,799 Because I knew that they weren't and relying on me 859 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,279 to give them a hit album, because we had 26 other albums 860 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:30,759 to pull them through. So I selfishly wanted to do this album. 861 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:36,960 ♪ Please walk, walk right on by, baby 862 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,639 ♪ Oh, there's not doubt in my... 863 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:49,119 ♪ I don't you to see me cry, no, no... ♪ 864 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,079 And it crossed over. 865 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,999 It just started my whole career. 866 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,679 A re-birth was blossoming within the walls of Stax, 867 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:04,159 but outside in the streets of Soulsville, a darker reality was taking hold. 868 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,639 One day two young black men came into Stax records and went into 869 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,112 Jim Stewart's office and laid a big piece of iron 870 01:06:11,124 --> 01:06:14,399 on his desk, 357 magnum, my guess, big pistol, 871 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,047 and said, "If you don't give us 50,000 in the 872 01:06:18,059 --> 01:06:21,320 next two days we are going to kill you." 873 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,799 After Dr King was killed it got pretty, pretty 874 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,879 intense around there. 875 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:40,839 We started experiencing some... 876 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:48,559 attitudes that were directed towards both the white side and the black side 877 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,479 of our oasis. 878 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:56,319 Al Bell sent me to... West Memphis, Arkansas 879 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,479 I bought five .38 pistols. 880 01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,999 He said, "Anybody gives you any shit, pull the trigger." 881 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,359 The neighbourhood had changed so bad they had to put up an 8ft 882 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:11,679 chain-link fence with guards and so forth, 883 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,399 you almost had to have a laminate to get in and out. 884 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,319 I was threatened by people outside the company 885 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:21,119 threatening to kidnap me, trying to extort money from me. 886 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,679 I went to the FBI, I got no... 887 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,359 help whatsoever. "You're on McLemore Avenue, 888 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,359 "what you doing over there anyway?" 889 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,519 You know, that kind of mentality. 890 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:37,279 So we brought in Johnny Baylor along with his sidekick Dino. 891 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,959 Johnny Baylor had worked with Sugar Ray Robinson, a former Army Ranger 892 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:45,079 he was running a small record label in New York's Harlem. 893 01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:50,759 Al knew that Johnny Baylor and Dino, these two guys, they were toughs. 894 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,080 New York tough street guys. And they were killers. 895 01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,479 They were people who did the thing. 896 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:04,279 We challenged them, we let them know hey, either do or die, you know, 897 01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:05,679 that is what it is. 898 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,239 We are going to protect these artists, we are going to protect Al Bell. 899 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,839 You know, and there will be no more of this... 900 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:17,400 robbery and stealing and stick-ups or whatever they were doing. 901 01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:21,630 Now after that, Jim was a little further out 902 01:08:21,642 --> 01:08:24,559 of control because he had two guys there 903 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,919 and Jim said, "We will let them be Isaac Hayes' security. 904 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,799 "He's just getting to where he is going to need some security 905 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,839 "and we will let them be at the head of Stax security." 906 01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:42,399 ♪ Hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymistic! 907 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,040 ♪ I can't sleep at night 908 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,840 ♪ But that's all right 909 01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:55,359 ♪ The MD tells me 910 01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:00,239 ♪ My heart's on strike... ♪ 911 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:06,319 Johnny Baylor and Dino were described as our protectors 912 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,239 and sometimes they... 913 01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,320 appeared to harass us. 914 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:18,079 I never will forget this, but Johnny Baylor had grabbed my arm 915 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:23,359 and just twisted my arm behind me and had me pushed against the wall. 916 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:29,639 And I gave him a really bad punch in a place, I don't think he will ever forget. 917 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:35,439 ♪ Hyperbolicsyllabic Sesquedalymistic! ♪ 918 01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:38,399 It was a conspiracy to takeover the control 919 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,400 of the most powerful individual 920 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,079 in his view in the company at that time, which was Isaac. 921 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,559 He felt if he could do that then he could call shots on whatever he wanted to call. 922 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:54,159 And Johnny felt that Isaac should be, should have been... 923 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,159 out front of David Porter. 924 01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:00,919 They put a gun up to David Porter's head once and told him to stay away from Isaac. 925 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:05,279 He wanted to see Isaac out being number-one, you know. 926 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,999 Well, there went all that songwriting, 927 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,720 those magical songs, gone. 928 01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,359 Johnny Baylor stayed around Stax. 929 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:28,599 He was the problem solver who would soon become the problem. 930 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,439 That was the day I went to Jim and told him we'd like to be off the payroll. 931 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:50,079 Estelle Axton got caught up in some of the politics of the company, 932 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,769 as we got bigger and bigger and bigger I think 933 01:10:53,781 --> 01:10:57,639 she was made to be quieter, quieter and quieter. 934 01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,599 I closed the record shop 935 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:06,800 because they needed the space for the studio and offices for Stax. 936 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,359 So I was lost without... 937 01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:14,639 He and my sister didn't get along, 938 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:20,040 it had gotten to the point that I was ready to leave... 939 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:27,439 I had a decision to make, a very hard decision to make. 940 01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:29,840 It involved family, number one. 941 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:37,320 In the end, I made the decision that more people's livelihoods 942 01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,240 were at stake than just mine. 943 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:51,399 And I made a decision to ask that my sister step down. 944 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:58,119 I decided that I'll never have any influence in the future - 945 01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,719 the best thing for me to do is to get out. 946 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:05,119 And that's when I sold my part 947 01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,640 and got out. 948 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,879 She left and the magic was gone. 949 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,360 You know, this building will never be the same. 950 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,640 And it was never the same again. 951 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,569 Jim and Al were now equal partners in a company 952 01:12:33,581 --> 01:12:36,119 that was outgrowing it mum and pop roots, 953 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,200 new demands meant that old ways had to change. 954 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:47,199 There was a feeling like mass production going on or assembly-line type feeling. 955 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:51,439 Actually at one point they had us operating in shifts, 956 01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:53,440 three eight-hour shifts. 957 01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:06,839 The market was changing, where I was spending a whole month working on four, 958 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,679 five artists and records trying to get a hit single, 959 01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,759 all of a sudden I'm working on four, five or six albums. 960 01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,920 So, I couldn't continue the way things were going at the time. 961 01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,959 It was more or less the group, 962 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:28,719 the core group was becoming more and more fragmented. 963 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,439 We were all family and it's tough to break up a family, 964 01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:47,559 but I just felt that it was going to head for disaster at some point. 965 01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:19,759 You couldn't help but feel saddened by it, this is Booker T and the MGs 966 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:26,040 and they were the sound of the music that was coming out of there. 967 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,159 ♪ Starting all over again 968 01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,160 ♪ It's gonna be rough 969 01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:24,919 ♪ So rough 970 01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,279 - ♪ That we're gonna make it. - Oh, yeah. ♪ 971 01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,039 We just kept on generating more and more revenue, 972 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,424 kept on daring to be different and kept on 973 01:16:33,436 --> 01:16:35,999 defying what they said that couldn't be done. 974 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:40,999 ♪ ..On us. But we gotta face it... ♪ 975 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,759 Al felt like he should give something back to the community 976 01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,399 that we were trying to do the right thing, 977 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,319 that we were concerned with civil rights and 978 01:16:51,331 --> 01:16:54,999 we're taking an active role to show that. 979 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,719 The whole evolution of Stax was a parallel to 980 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,199 what was happening in the civil rights movement 981 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,839 and then when the civil rights movement evolved, 982 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:09,359 devolved to some people, into this Black Power movement or wave, 983 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:13,079 Stax underwent a transformation as well. 984 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:17,879 In terms of advertising, promotion, marketing, 985 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,078 and research, we're researching black because that's where 986 01:17:21,090 --> 01:17:23,919 our product is directed and we're supporting black. 987 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,759 ♪ Starting all over again 988 01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,200 ♪ Is gonna be slow 989 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,399 ♪ We... 990 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,159 ♪ We both know that we can make it... ♪ 991 01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,079 Whenever there was a black cause in the City of Memphis, 992 01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:43,679 Stax rose to the occasion, Al Bell, Isaac Hayes they made sure of that. 993 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:48,199 You know, Stax was not militant, but it was all black. 994 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,759 You know, we knew the problems that our people were having. 995 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:58,039 You're talking about you're dissatisfied with the way the government is run. 996 01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,279 You're complaining about unemployment, 997 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,879 equal employment, 998 01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,239 housing, 999 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,400 only you can do something about it. 1000 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:16,159 Bursting with new life, Stax supported many causes, the Black Knights in Memphis, 1001 01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,799 the Angela Davis Defence Fund, the Rainbow-PUSH Coalition, 1002 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,720 its efforts helped drive the black economic renaissance. 1003 01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,559 It was a very timely moment in history with politics. 1004 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,439 What was lagging behind was the business development. 1005 01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:35,119 We could never produce our own music. 1006 01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,920 We could produce it, but we couldn't distribute it. 1007 01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:41,799 We didn't own our own talent. 1008 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:46,519 We were doing, at that time because of segregation, 1009 01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:51,799 what every other ethnic group had done in America. 1010 01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:57,199 We had our own hotels, our own banks, our own insurance companies, 1011 01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,920 we were building our own economic base. 1012 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,639 Black Pride was more than a slogan, it was a way of doing business. 1013 01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:12,119 Stax embraced traditional black culture and brought it mainstream. 1014 01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:17,439 ♪ See that host all dressed in red 1015 01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:20,879 ♪ He's a-going to trouble the water 1016 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:26,159 ♪ Looks like the children that Moses led... ♪ 1017 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,559 I loved the Staple singers and I said, "As soon as I can get this company into a point 1018 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,879 "where I can do it I'm going to get the Staple Singers, 1019 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,559 "because I think they can be one of the biggest acts out here." 1020 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:43,559 We felt really close to Al because we knew him before Stax, you see. 1021 01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,520 And my father was like a father to him. 1022 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:53,399 So you hear in the Staple's message music, that made them among 1023 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:59,279 popular culture, the church - they became the sound of the streets. 1024 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:00,920 I like my gospel. 1025 01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,759 ♪ Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh... 1026 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,999 ♪ Are you sure your prayers haven't been answered? 1027 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,679 ♪ Now think, brother, think 1028 01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,519 ♪ Are you sure your prayers haven't been answered? 1029 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,559 ♪ Now think, think 1030 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,999 ♪ And don't you dare say the Good Lord didn't stop to hear 1031 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,039 ♪ He hears and sees everything you do 1032 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,799 ♪ Stop now and take an inventory 1033 01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,479 ♪ To come up with a different story 1034 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,839 ♪ Because he sees every move you make 1035 01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,279 ♪ Every wink of your eye... ♪ 1036 01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,319 They wanted to put us out of church. 1037 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,119 "Staple Singers singing the Devil's music"! 1038 01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:42,839 And I was letting the people know, the Devil ain't got no music. 1039 01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,799 All music is God's music. 1040 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:52,039 ♪ Ohhh... 1041 01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,319 ♪ Ahhh-ahhh... ♪ 1042 01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:01,319 ♪ Ohhh-ohhh... 1043 01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,999 ♪ Oh, Lord... ♪ 1044 01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,891 I think Al was just trying to stretch us on out 1045 01:21:07,903 --> 01:21:11,399 further, because he wanted so much for us. 1046 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:16,559 We want everybody to get this kind of message, take our songs, 1047 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,039 and make your life better, make the world a better place. 1048 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:24,879 ♪ Ahhh-ahhh... 1049 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,519 ♪ Ohhh... 1050 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:34,119 ♪ You should save... 1051 01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:38,639 ♪ ..For you... ♪ 1052 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:44,279 Lives were changed when they heard Mavis Staples, when she would sing, you just... 1053 01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,599 you were another person after you witnessed her. 1054 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:52,879 ♪ ..For you... 1055 01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,599 ♪ Yeah! 1056 01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,959 ♪ Yeah! 1057 01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,679 ♪ Yeah! 1058 01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,559 ♪ Yeah! Everybody say "Right on!" ♪ 1059 01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:07,799 - Right on! - Right on! - Right on! Right on! - Right on! 1060 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,319 We went in for a session. 1061 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,599 And Mack came in the studio, he said, "Pops, I've got one for you." 1062 01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:19,039 I showed 'em the song, and he said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah!" 1063 01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,439 Mack, he had this rhythm... 1064 01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:28,519 And he started... ♪ If you disrespect everybody that you run into... ♪ 1065 01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:34,159 ♪ How in the world do you think anybody's supposed to respect you...? 1066 01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,119 ♪ Dum-dum-dun-dun... 1067 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:41,799 ♪ If you don't give a heck about the man with the Bible in his hand... ♪ 1068 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:47,239 ♪ Mmmm-mmm... 1069 01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:50,439 ♪ Mmmm-mmm... ♪ 1070 01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:56,760 ♪ If you disrespect everybody that you run into 1071 01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:05,119 ♪ How in the world do you think anybody's supposed to respect you? ♪ 1072 01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:09,319 We had hit records. HE LAUGHS 1073 01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:12,399 It was like great apples falling off a tree. 1074 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,079 ♪ Respect yourself 1075 01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,119 ♪ Da-da-da 1076 01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,199 ♪ Respect yourself 1077 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,159 ♪ De-de-de-de... ♪ 1078 01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:25,399 Al Bell, every time he would go out, he'd come back with something solid. 1079 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:31,519 Stax Records replaced cotton as the biggest industry in Memphis, Tennessee. 1080 01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,450 The Stax corporate staff mushroomed, gathering 1081 01:23:34,462 --> 01:23:37,279 executives from Motown, Chi-Town and beyond. 1082 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:41,799 Their interests diversified into more soundtracks, and soon, movie production. 1083 01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:54,799 Shaft - hotter than Bond, cooler than Bullitt. 1084 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:59,679 Somebody got the bright idea of producing a black film, 1085 01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,919 with a black director, a black leading actor, and a black composer. 1086 01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,999 They wanted me to do the music. 1087 01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,080 Isaac put the music together, and the rest is history. 1088 01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:15,039 He said, "Dig the tempo of his walking, 1089 01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,879 "I want to you to play 16ths on the hi-hat to that tempo." 1090 01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:24,280 So they rolled the machine over to me, I gotta peep over and play the hi-hat... 1091 01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,839 In 1972, Isaac Hayes stood on a mountain top, 1092 01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:33,839 winning an Academy Award for his Theme From Shaft. 1093 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,999 His date that night was his grandmother. 1094 01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,452 I called her Momma cos that's the only Mother I know, 1095 01:24:40,464 --> 01:24:43,479 and last night was the highlight of my career. 1096 01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:45,760 So, I felt like she should be there. 1097 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,120 This award, which I accepted last night... 1098 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:56,039 The first time in the history of the Academy 1099 01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:01,599 a black musician has been honoured, 1100 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,520 receiving an Oscar. 1101 01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:12,839 Isaac's position, to me, was more of a social position 1102 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:16,079 than a musical position at Stax. 1103 01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,279 Isaac became something of a symbol 1104 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:23,400 that was missing in African American society. 1105 01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,839 Dino was hanging out with me at time. 1106 01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,919 He said, "Man! Listen to the people! 1107 01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:37,600 "They love you, man! You just like a Moses. 1108 01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:41,799 "You just like... yeah, black Moses!" 1109 01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,999 I said, "Whoa, don't do that, man, that's sacrilegious! 1110 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,559 "I ain't no Moses, man." 1111 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,919 "Yes, you are, man, you black Moses!" 1112 01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,119 I've got Isaac's albums here, the latest, Black Moses. 1113 01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,039 It's got a spectacular... 1114 01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,000 Look at that! 1115 01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,320 "Theme From Shaft" by Isaac Hayes 1116 01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,799 I think he really saw that it was a necessary thing 1117 01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,880 for people to have an icon like that. 1118 01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,279 Yeah, right on. 1119 01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,469 The African American community in Watts had been 1120 01:26:46,481 --> 01:26:49,879 scarred by riots in the mid-1960s, leaving 34 dead. 1121 01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:57,039 In August 1972, Stax organised a benefit festival of peace and music in Los Angeles. 1122 01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:03,400 It drew more than 100,000 people, a fifth of the city's black population. 1123 01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:12,239 Soul music sort of rose to it's zenith in terms of what it could do politically, 1124 01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,519 economically and culturally, all at once. 1125 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,400 And that was at WattStax. 1126 01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,280 ♪ I'm the son of a bad... ♪ 1127 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:45,519 I'd gone to Watts when it was just smokin' from riots 1128 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,919 and urban frustration, neglect. 1129 01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:53,400 We were in that kind of setting, with that kind of audacity and that kind of ambition. 1130 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,600 ♪ Son of Shaft 1131 01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,160 ♪ Don't forget my daddy... ♪ 1132 01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:11,319 Went to the stadium, they kind of laughed at us. 1133 01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:15,679 Some little record company from out of Memphis, Tennessee. 1134 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,639 "Who do you say these artists are? 1135 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,360 "What's the names?" 1136 01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:23,999 ♪ Respect yourself, yeah 1137 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,320 ♪ You oughta respect yourself. ♪ 1138 01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:42,039 ♪ If you're walking round thinking that the world owe you something 1139 01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,039 ♪ Cos you're here 1140 01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:47,839 ♪ You're goin' out the world backwards 1141 01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:52,159 ♪ Like you did when you first come here 1142 01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,479 ♪ Yeah 1143 01:28:54,480 --> 01:29:00,759 ♪ Keep talking 'bout the present but won't stop air pollution 1144 01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:05,679 ♪ No... Put your hand on your mouth when you cough 1145 01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,799 ♪ That'll help the solution 1146 01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,319 ♪ Yeah 1147 01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:17,720 ♪ Oh, you cuss around women and you don't even know their names 1148 01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:25,360 ♪ And you dumb enough to think that'll make you a big old man 1149 01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:29,519 ♪ Respect yourself... ♪ 1150 01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:34,879 There had been riots where they'd burned down just about everything. 1151 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:40,079 You know? And WattStax brought all these 100,000 people together. 1152 01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:44,200 That was largest crowd any of us had ever seen. 1153 01:29:49,480 --> 01:29:54,399 - Hey! Hey! - Can I ask you something? 1154 01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:55,719 What? 1155 01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,439 Yeah! 1156 01:29:58,440 --> 01:30:01,639 Ain't I clean? 1157 01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:11,999 ♪ Come on in, now 1158 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,239 ♪ Come right on down front 1159 01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,839 ♪ I got something I want to show you. ♪ 1160 01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:21,319 This was trying to give something back to the neighbourhood. 1161 01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,320 Only costed a dollar. 1162 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,439 ♪ ..I'm gonna tell you 1163 01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:30,839 ♪ What you gotta do 1164 01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,519 ♪ Flap your wings 1165 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,639 ♪ Feet start kickin' 1166 01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,399 ♪ Now you know 1167 01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,400 ♪ You doin' the funky chicken... ♪ 1168 01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:51,159 We're still now on this curve of trying to carry forth the resurrection 1169 01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:52,639 and the Ascension. 1170 01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:56,559 And that caused others to realise that they could do the same thing 1171 01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,759 in their various ghetto communities across America. 1172 01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:04,839 That is why I challenge you now to stand together, 1173 01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:08,879 raise your fist together, 1174 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:14,839 and engage in an our national black litany. 1175 01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:21,799 Do it with courage and determination. I am... 1176 01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,319 I am... - Somebody. Somebody. 1177 01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,079 - I am... - I am... Somebody. 1178 01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:28,999 Somebody. 1179 01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,359 - I may be poor... - I may be poor... 1180 01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:34,319 - I am... I am... - Somebody. 1181 01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:35,639 Somebody. 1182 01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,199 - I may be on welfare... - I may be on welfare... 1183 01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:39,959 - But I am... - I am. 1184 01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,399 - Somebody. - Somebody. 1185 01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,959 - I may be unskilled... - I may be unskilled... 1186 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,759 - But I am... I am - ... Somebody. 1187 01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,199 There were many messages, even mixed messages, 1188 01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:56,279 running through that very moment where Al and I had our fists extended. 1189 01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,079 We had survived the rubbish. 1190 01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:02,519 Like a sphinx rising from the ashes we had come back to life again 1191 01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,360 and there we were at this awesome moment in history. 1192 01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,119 The brother all of us have been waiting for. 1193 01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:15,000 Isaac Hayes! 1194 01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,971 I had preached that our music was a reflection 1195 01:32:33,983 --> 01:32:37,760 of what goes on in our lives and our lifestyles. 1196 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:44,080 And Larry Shaw said "What we need to do is film this and make it real." 1197 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,759 There was something new in Hollywood movie premieres 1198 01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,639 as over 2,000 soulful people came together for the opening of WattStax. 1199 01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:02,479 Among those attending were Stax recording star, Carla Thomas Sonny and Cher, 1200 01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:06,799 recording star Johnny Taylor, superstar Isaac Hayes. 1201 01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,079 WattStax was during the grand year of 1972, 1202 01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:13,439 then they started going downhill pretty fast 1203 01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:18,519 because they were spending a great deal more than they were making. 1204 01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:23,719 And I have always been of the opinion that it was riotous living 1205 01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:29,120 more than anything else, because they just haemorrhaged money. 1206 01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,119 We were growing so rapidly that we had taken out the loan, 1207 01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:41,639 they gave it to us, 1208 01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:45,519 and I think it was over a couple of years or something like that, 1209 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:49,079 and in nine months we paid that loan off, and it freaked them out. 1210 01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,519 I mean it freaked them out, nine months and you've paid it off, 1211 01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,399 from that point forward every time we turned around 1212 01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,108 we were getting calls from Union Planters National 1213 01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,520 Bank wanting to know if we needed any money. 1214 01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,759 "Hey, it's Duck, I need a loan." 1215 01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:06,280 "Sign a piece of paper." 1216 01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:15,279 "I want to buy a car, but I work for Stax." "OK, it's done." 1217 01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:20,999 The bloated era came when it seemed like we wanted to be a Motown. 1218 01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:25,839 That was bloat in the sense of expensive ideas, 1219 01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,759 that didn't seem straight. 1220 01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:30,679 Our eye was not on the ball any more. 1221 01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,599 We were looking up in the stands. 1222 01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:36,039 They wanted to buy the Tams basketball team. 1223 01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:41,279 When we've finalised all elements the team will be fully owned 1224 01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,799 and operated in the city of Memphis by the Stax organisation. 1225 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,759 All day long, people wandered up and down the halls, 1226 01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,879 you wondered, who are those people? 1227 01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:54,119 I'm the director of the statistical department, 1228 01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,439 the statistical department is a new department, 1229 01:34:57,440 --> 01:35:00,959 which has been established by Stax recording company. 1230 01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:04,239 So statistical department went to work and said, 1231 01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:08,759 "Let's take this record, Don't Take Your Momma, and analyse it." 1232 01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,388 Notice the difference, I want you to notice the 1233 01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,039 strings and the bass is the predominant factor. 1234 01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,159 That's getting back to the soul, that's where it's at. 1235 01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,920 This is Rufus Thomas with a brand new dance. 1236 01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:52,279 I started dealing with comedy 1237 01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:55,759 and I thought we could be tremendously successful in comedy. 1238 01:35:55,760 --> 01:36:00,039 Remember the essence of life, we're the people of the universe, 1239 01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,439 life is beautiful, my parents go, "That nigger is crazy." 1240 01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:07,160 Also, into the movie production we went. 1241 01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,848 Despite continued success, Stax couldn't get 1242 01:36:14,860 --> 01:36:17,999 its records into suburban department stores. 1243 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:22,639 So, in 1972, not long after Motown sold out to MCA, 1244 01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:27,479 Al Bell struck a unique deal with Clive Davis at CBS Records, 1245 01:36:27,480 --> 01:36:32,559 Stax remained independent but gained major-label distribution. 1246 01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:38,519 CBS dominated every category of music in the entire industry 1247 01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,959 other than black music. 1248 01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,479 Because of the power of Columbia Records and its branches 1249 01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:47,425 and everything, that would put us in a position 1250 01:36:47,437 --> 01:36:49,839 where we could reach the white market. 1251 01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,319 And in the discussions with Clive, 1252 01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:56,279 Clive was explaining to me how he wanted to penetrate deeper 1253 01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,479 into the black market and the black community. 1254 01:36:59,480 --> 01:37:03,119 The white majors don't know how to produce their product, 1255 01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,839 so what they do is they go and get a black promotion man 1256 01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,175 and say this will solve their problem, black 1257 01:37:08,187 --> 01:37:10,639 promotion man, we'll sell to the black market. 1258 01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:13,399 Not true, they don't have a black product, you have to get that first. 1259 01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,959 Al Bell was God. 1260 01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:20,319 In the rhythm and blues music, you can ask anybody that. 1261 01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,439 He dictated what went on in rhythm and blues in those years. 1262 01:37:24,440 --> 01:37:27,868 Clive and Al Bell, they both had a dream and 1263 01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,319 I think they bought into each other's dream. 1264 01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,839 In their minds, they knew exactly how they could make it work. 1265 01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:39,039 Clive Davis became the most powerful man in the music business. 1266 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:43,239 His salary and benefits - 350,000 a year. 1267 01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:47,999 So, it was a bombshell when in May of last year CBS fired Davis. 1268 01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,839 The charges against Clive Davis 1269 01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,319 stem out of an investigation conducted by a United States grand juries 1270 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,279 here in Newark and in New York. 1271 01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:03,999 But unfortunately, when Clive Davis was taken out of the picture 1272 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,759 no-one else had that vision of that dream at CBS, 1273 01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,640 so consequently, Al Bell was out there drifting. 1274 01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:34,159 CBS warehoused Stax's product and withheld payments. 1275 01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:35,399 At the same time, 1276 01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,699 Stax long time bank, Union Planters, buckled 1277 01:38:38,711 --> 01:38:41,359 under a national real estate crash. 1278 01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:45,720 To keep solvent they hired a new president, Bill Matthews. 1279 01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:56,399 One of the first things he did was to start looking around for problems 1280 01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:00,199 and he started turning them up at a pretty sharp rate. 1281 01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:05,519 The bank had something like 10 million extended to Stax records. 1282 01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:10,559 All of a sudden, this guy who they had just brought in, 1283 01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:16,719 he said, "Al, I don't want you to think I'm a redneck from Georgia." 1284 01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:18,679 I looked at him and I said, 1285 01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,917 "And I don't want you to think I'm a nigger 1286 01:39:21,929 --> 01:39:25,400 from Arkansas, so what are you talking about?" 1287 01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:34,679 Union Planters stopped lending money to Stax, accusing them of bank fraud. 1288 01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:39,239 And with no money coming from CBS, the squeeze was on. 1289 01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:43,159 You had a bank who wanted to destroy the record company, 1290 01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:48,679 you had people that just hated that all these blacks were having all this success 1291 01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:52,239 in Memphis, Tennessee, with all these pretty houses and pretty cars. 1292 01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:56,400 Isaac Hayes is driving around in a custom-made Cadillac 1293 01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,719 that cost more at the time than many white folks' houses did. 1294 01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,559 Carla Thomas or another artist 1295 01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,959 going to Julius Lewis and purchasing a fur coat - cash! 1296 01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:11,639 I'm unimpressed with the racist aspect of this whole thing. 1297 01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:15,519 I would say there was at least as much racism 1298 01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:19,159 manifested on the part of the Stax people, 1299 01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:23,079 who were always trying to use it as a crutch. 1300 01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:24,759 Well, at that point in time, 1301 01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:29,199 we had no sales and no promotion, so I went to my dear friend John Baylor. 1302 01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:32,331 I said to him, "What I need you to do is take your 1303 01:40:32,343 --> 01:40:35,239 team and go out and promote the Stax product." 1304 01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:38,159 Our stack of cards seemed to come tumbling down 1305 01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:42,360 when Johnny Baylor was getting an airplane in Memphis to Birmingham. 1306 01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:51,919 They asked him to open one of his suitcases for some reason or other, 1307 01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,239 I don't know what it was but he did, 1308 01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:57,080 and there was nothing but cash in there. 1309 01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:08,388 That's when IRS and FBI and everyone else came 1310 01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:12,000 saying, "How does this work? What we do here?" 1311 01:41:16,440 --> 01:41:18,519 I had people threatening my life. 1312 01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:22,959 I'd wake up with toilet tissue in the trees in my yard, 1313 01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,239 all kinds of threats on the phone, 1314 01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,519 being told by a gentleman that was sent to me by Matthews. 1315 01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:32,959 He's say, "Listen, tell Al, why don't he go down to the Mississippi River bridge 1316 01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:36,280 "and jump off the bridge and make it easier for everybody?" 1317 01:41:54,600 --> 01:42:01,159 They started taking the actions that would put us out of business. 1318 01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:03,679 They easily concluded, I suppose, 1319 01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:09,279 at this point that the future for Stax would look dim, but that is not the case. 1320 01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,879 We know the facts, we have not given up, 1321 01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:15,039 and we will pursue legally whatever is necessary in order 1322 01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:18,319 to restore Stax and bring it, from a corporate point of view, 1323 01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,919 back into the position of its rightful owners. 1324 01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,199 We used to call Al Bell the Hype Meister, 1325 01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:29,359 because no matter how dark the situation, 1326 01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:33,800 Al Bell has the upside to the story. 1327 01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:41,639 He could put you in the palm of his hand, and he did it to me, he did it to everyone. 1328 01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:43,680 "Lord's gonna bless ya." 1329 01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,999 To me, I couldn't, I couldn't, I tried to think about it, 1330 01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:04,599 but I could not fathom the company going under. 1331 01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,559 It to me was like the Bank of England or the Rock of Gibraltar. 1332 01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:11,080 "Well, they're going to talk over some new deals for the company." 1333 01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:16,879 In the days when it was all closing in, 1334 01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:20,919 and the guy that kept our books and stuff, 1335 01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:24,039 he went over to get our cheques, 1336 01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:28,239 and he came back any he said, "There are no cheques." 1337 01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,959 And I'm on the steps of that church with Jim Stewart 1338 01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:34,919 and I'm shaking my head and I said, "Wow! 1339 01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:36,919 "I had all this planned and stuff." 1340 01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:39,872 And Jim reached in his pocket and pulled out 1341 01:43:39,884 --> 01:43:42,519 200 American dollars and gave it to me. 1342 01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:45,760 And him ending up with nothing. 1343 01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,119 All this - it was a snowball effect. 1344 01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:56,919 I put what money I'd gotten for the sale back into the company, 1345 01:43:56,920 --> 01:44:01,519 plus I pledged my personal assets, 1346 01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,999 but it was not enough. 1347 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,840 Too little, too late. 1348 01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:12,199 I saw Jim be really hurt over this, 1349 01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,719 because it hurt his children. 1350 01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:21,319 When you give away your children's fortune, you hurt for them. 1351 01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:26,239 And we started watching the demise of everybody slowly. 1352 01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:31,919 They'd come in the lot and start pulling cars and foreclosing homes, 1353 01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:35,639 and stuff like that, and we knew it was on. 1354 01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:44,479 I really didn't realise what was happening until it was too late. 1355 01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:47,279 I had a change of fortune. 1356 01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:52,559 An elaborate white gold diamond bracelet watch with initials "IH" in emerald. 1357 01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:58,280 Sometimes growth and ambition can wreck a company. 1358 01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:05,000 You push one domino and they all fall. 1359 01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:12,279 A lot of people lost their homes, they lost their families, 1360 01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:16,079 one person committed suicide. 1361 01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,359 The offices of Stax here are closed. 1362 01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:21,599 A lot of other problems have also plagued the firm. 1363 01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,999 The latest came yesterday. 1364 01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:26,599 A judge declared the firm officially bankrupt. 1365 01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:31,959 They caused a 16-count indictment to be brought against me 1366 01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:38,159 and an officer of the bank alleging that we had conspired to defraud, 1367 01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:41,799 I think it was 16 million, 18 million. 1368 01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:47,159 Harwell was convicted and later on admitted 1369 01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:52,639 that he'd made these dishonest loans to Al Bell, 1370 01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:56,439 to the tune of 10 million or so. 1371 01:45:56,440 --> 01:46:01,959 Al, in fortune indictments, freed on all charges. 1372 01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:07,159 But then, you've got the blood stains in your clothes. 1373 01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:11,520 A lot of people were depending on Stax for a living, you know? 1374 01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,879 All the workers that we lost. 1375 01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:22,160 It was just a sad thing, like we was at a funeral or something. 1376 01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:53,279 After the close of Stax 1377 01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:56,079 and after some time had passed, 1378 01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:03,959 several years, I would drive back to Memphis, Tennessee, 1379 01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:09,759 and park across the street from 926 East McLemore, 1380 01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:16,959 and look at that a vacant lot and see the weeds there, 1381 01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:21,719 building gone, and I would cry, I would cry. 1382 01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:24,079 And the tears would run profusely. 1383 01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:28,119 All that we had worked for and lived for - 1384 01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:32,639 there was not even a symbol of that in place. 1385 01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:38,720 It's like someone had tried to wipe all of that off the face of the Earth. 1386 01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,359 But all great music has soul. 1387 01:47:55,360 --> 01:48:00,199 It's just that Stax had more of it than so many others. 1388 01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:04,279 I hadn't grown up on this music. 1389 01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:08,759 I saw the Staples some years ago when I first arrived in America 1390 01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:13,480 and I just found myself reduced to tears at this incredible music. 1391 01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:17,799 I think it's called magic 1392 01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,439 when you go out there and you find artists 1393 01:48:20,440 --> 01:48:24,000 God-sent artists that become those artists that's timeless. 1394 01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,385 As a young person going to the record stores 1395 01:48:28,397 --> 01:48:30,559 and seeing all the records across the top 1396 01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:34,560 and it all just says "Stax", you just... you want to be a part of that train. 1397 01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:41,439 That's the thing that Stax did over and over, 1398 01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:43,999 they were great songs, but they have a motor to them. 1399 01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:48,639 I think that's what makes the music that was made at Stax really enduring. 1400 01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:52,159 It's very truthful and it's very direct. 1401 01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:53,799 And it just really grooved. 1402 01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,295 As best we could, we couldn't play it as good 1403 01:48:56,307 --> 01:48:58,759 as the players that played on these records. 1404 01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,599 But we did our, our version of that. You know? 1405 01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,840 We used that same technique. And that was our guiding light. 1406 01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:12,039 The sound at Stax is almost like a good plate of food. 1407 01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,559 This sticks to your ribs, it sticks to your soul. 1408 01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:17,159 Soulsville, USA. Says it all. 1409 01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:21,439 I might have made my tracks and my grounds in the rap world, 1410 01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:27,319 that the fabric and the basic necessity of the rap world has groove and rhythm. 1411 01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:30,280 And Stax just did it off the head. 1412 01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:40,359 It never dies. Soul music continuously haunts us 1413 01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:43,799 through every genre of music that we do. 1414 01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,079 So, we are here once again, 1415 01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:50,879 the question and the answer is - it never really left us. 1416 01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:54,159 The wealth of experience is just priceless. 1417 01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:58,399 This, it's priceless. And it's mine. 1418 01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:02,279 Stax lost everything in bankruptcy. 1419 01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:03,999 A quarter-century later, 1420 01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:07,799 those same songs were sold for tens of millions of dollars, 1421 01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,628 while Fantasy Records made Stax the single 1422 01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,679 most reissued independent label in the world. 1423 01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:18,439 In 2006, Concord records bought and relaunched the label 1424 01:50:18,440 --> 01:50:21,759 signing new talent and old Stax stars. 1425 01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,119 But its soul, the music, 1426 01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:26,439 lives as a permanent part of our culture. 1427 01:50:26,440 --> 01:50:32,839 At what point did it become the Stax thing? I don't know that. 1428 01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:34,799 I thought it always was. 1429 01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:36,799 1, 2... 1430 01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:57,199 Stax was one person teaching another. It was one writer teaching another. 1431 01:50:57,200 --> 01:50:59,919 There were open doors there all the time. 1432 01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:01,999 Where, no matter who you were, 1433 01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:06,519 you could walk through those doors and realise an opportunity. 1434 01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:10,599 And that is now glorified in the Stax Music Academy. 1435 01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:16,599 I have not stopped feeling good because I realised a part of it is still alive. 1436 01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:20,559 In the end, the studio was rebuilt according to original blueprints. 1437 01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:24,145 Next door, the Stax Academy gives neighbourhood 1438 01:51:24,157 --> 01:51:27,679 kids the same chance the label did in its day. 1439 01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:29,998 If we did not have the museum. If that 1440 01:51:30,010 --> 01:51:32,759 building had not been rebuilt the way it was, 1441 01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:35,159 if we didn't have a Studio A now, 1442 01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:37,959 not only would the building have been gone, 1443 01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:40,039 but a part of us would have died. 1444 01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:44,160 But that was our resurrection. And still is. 1445 01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:50,439 So, we now have the Stax Museum of American Soul Music. 1446 01:51:50,440 --> 01:51:53,199 And the Stax Music Academy, 1447 01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:57,920 passing the Stax legacy on, to a new generation. 1448 01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:01,520 And don't you cut that line out of the script! 1449 01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:14,080 ♪ I don't want to lose this good thing 1450 01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:18,559 ♪ That I've got 1451 01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,439 ♪ Because if I do, 1452 01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:26,920 ♪ I will surely, surely lose a lot 1453 01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:32,080 ♪ Because our love is better 1454 01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:37,199 ♪ Than any love I know 1455 01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:39,160 ♪ Just like thunder 1456 01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:41,880 ♪ Lightning 1457 01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:46,039 ♪ The way you love me is frightening 1458 01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:47,880 ♪ I'd better knock... 1459 01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:50,599 ♪ On wood 1460 01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:53,320 ♪ Baby 1461 01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:01,680 ♪ I'm not superstitious about you 1462 01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:06,280 ♪ But I can take no chance 1463 01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:12,080 ♪ You've got me spinning, baby 1464 01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:15,839 ♪ Baby, I'm in a trance 1465 01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:20,679 ♪ Because your love is better 1466 01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:23,999 ♪ Than any love I know 1467 01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:27,200 ♪ It's like thunder, lightning... ♪ 125384

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