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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,280 There may be close to 450,000 bodies 2 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,680 buried in Greyfriars Graveyard, 3 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,320 most of them without coffins. 4 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,760 When you go in there, you are literally standing on 5 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,480 a mountain of dead people. 6 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,400 There's a legend about the king's advocate of Charles II, 7 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,840 George Mackenzie. 8 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:29,000 He condemned hundreds of men, women, and children to death. 9 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:41,000 He died in 1691. 10 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,080 But it's said that he haunts Greyfriars Graveyard 11 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,000 because of the atrocities he committed when he was alive. 12 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,960 In the 1700s, 1800s, 13 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,160 children from Heriot's School next door used to come into 14 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,320 the graveyard and dare each other 15 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,680 to go up to the door of the mausoleum. 16 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,960 INDISTINCT CHILDREN'S CHATTER 17 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,080 The question of whether I am a sceptic 18 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,400 or whether I wholeheartedly believe 19 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,920 the evidence put before me, 20 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:30,040 it's more difficult than you might think. 21 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,120 Inherently in me, I'm a complete sceptic. 22 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,040 And yet, just the things I've seen... 23 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,480 ..the overwhelming volume of evidence that we collected... 24 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,880 ..it's pretty hard to ignore. 25 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,840 I'd been living in Edinburgh for many years, 26 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,840 when I heard a story that changed my entire life. 27 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,640 This was a story that was told to me 28 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:38,240 by a caretaker at the church of Greyfriars Graveyard. 29 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,240 WIND WHIPS 30 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,320 It was a horrendous winter. 31 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,920 A homeless man came into the graveyard, 32 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,000 looking for somewhere to shelter. 33 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,480 HE COUGHS 34 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,360 And he spotted a large mausoleum... 35 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,080 ..which was George Mackenzie's tomb. 36 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,440 And he fell through into a chamber underneath. 37 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,960 It was a huge pile of decomposed bodies. 38 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,280 A dog walker, who was taking his dog at night through the graveyard... 39 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,200 SCREAMING 40 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,240 DOG BARKS 41 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,480 Terrified, they both ran for it. 42 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,520 Seemed like that was the end of the incident, really. 43 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,640 But I began to hear rumours 44 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,800 there was something in the graveyard. 45 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,160 They had woken something up. 46 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,640 I moved to Edinburgh and did a degree in philosophy 47 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,280 and English literature. 48 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,520 I had a real passion for history, as well. 49 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,880 I love history. It's fascinating. 50 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,360 And slowly, I got to know the Edinburgh that I know now. 51 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,000 It's got a history. 52 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,160 This place stayed medieval long after the rest of Europe 53 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,640 had cleaned up its act. 54 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,160 So, it's not just a long and rich history, 55 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,680 but it's also an incredibly brutal and savage one, as well. 56 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,120 As soon as I heard the story of the homeless man, 57 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,720 I thought to myself, 58 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,480 "There's a real opportunity here. 59 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,880 "I could do something in this graveyard with this story." 60 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,840 I decided to set up a ghost tour company. 61 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,280 We hired four or five guides 62 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,120 who we thought would be good at what they did. 63 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,000 However, it soon transpired 64 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,160 that we didn't have to make up ghost stories. 65 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,120 After a few weeks, I was doing a tour. 66 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,880 I'm talking away. 67 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,200 And suddenly... 68 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,960 ..this man, he just went down... 69 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,800 ..onto the concrete floor. 70 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,480 A whole bunch of things went through my mind. 71 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,200 But the first ones had nothing to do with the supernatural. 72 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,280 It was like, "Should I call an ambulance"? 73 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,200 He went down like somebody had hit him with a baseball bat. 74 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,760 The rest of the tour was different. 75 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,360 The people inside the mausoleum were scared, properly scared. 76 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,720 And then, it happened again. 77 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,760 Two or three days later, exactly the same thing. 78 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,760 The guides themselves, 79 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,480 they struggled with the things that they were seeing, as well. 80 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,240 One of the guides came in and said to me, 81 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,800 "I saw the scratches appear on someone's face". 82 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,840 Like, they wasn't there, 83 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,560 and then, suddenly they were. 84 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,440 After that, his whole demeanour changed. 85 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,000 When he would finish a tour, 86 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,600 he wasn't happy and joking about it any more. 87 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,160 He was disturbed by what he was doing. 88 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,560 The year was 1999, 89 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:58,120 and I had just started out on my first proper journalism job 90 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,880 at the Edinburgh Evening News. 91 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,760 And this is my big break. 92 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,280 I worked with a particularly brilliant news editor 93 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,120 who'd seen a placard on the street 94 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,400 advertising ghost tours. 95 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,560 And I think there was some kind of claim about attacks or, 96 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:24,800 you know, this kind of vengeful ghost. 97 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,120 And he'd come back and pulled me aside and said, 98 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,160 "I definitely think this would be a great piece. 99 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,960 "Why don't you go along and cover it, 100 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,360 "and write a feature on it?" 101 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,600 It's a difficult subject, isn't it? 102 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,520 Because people are open-minded sometimes. 103 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,280 Sometimes people are complete believers. 104 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,880 Sometimes people think it's a whole lot of guff. 105 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,040 But I was a journalist, 106 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,280 and I was going along there with an open mind. 107 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,240 The night that I went along to cover the tour for the paper, 108 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,720 you know, it was an Edinburgh winter's night. 109 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,680 So, it was cold, raining, a bit windy. 110 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,080 It's pitch-black. 111 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,000 But you did think, "What's around that corner"? 112 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,720 You know, sort of crumbling old buildings and things, 113 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,360 with all the stories behind it. 114 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,160 Part of the tour was to go down into this mausoleum. 115 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,400 And it was cold and damp. 116 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:47,680 It was very atmospheric. 117 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,200 And then, everyone came back out. 118 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,200 And Jan had locked it back up again. 119 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,160 And it was after then that a few people started saying 120 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,080 that they had felt something. 121 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,320 One woman said that she'd felt this kind of chill go through her. 122 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,000 Someone said that they felt someone grab them. 123 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,240 A woman also said that she felt quite unwell. 124 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,280 People were really, genuinely frightened. 125 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,240 They were very much of the opinion that something that 126 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,640 they couldn't explain had happened to them down in that mausoleum. 127 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,360 I went back to the office. 128 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,680 I wrote up the piece. 129 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:38,080 It got a really good position in the paper. 130 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,640 It was a big-selling paper at that time. 131 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,120 A lot of people read it. 132 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,560 And the fact that people were talking about their experiences 133 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:09,600 obviously resonated with other people who'd been in the graveyard. 134 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,200 This was the days before social media, so, 135 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,680 to kind of react to something you read in the paper 136 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:16,200 was quite a big thing. 137 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,920 PHONE RINGS 138 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,000 We'd got phone calls from people who'd had similar experiences, 139 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,280 MULTIPLE PHONES RINGING 140 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,400 People writing letters, people sending in photos, 141 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,120 people coming into the offices, into the reception, 142 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,680 and wanting to talk to me about their experiences. 143 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,880 There was a woman that showed, 144 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,840 it looked like a kind of burn mark was sort of around her neck, 145 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,800 that she said hadn't been there 146 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,040 before she'd gone into the mausoleum. 147 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,520 And then, she'd come out and felt this burning sensation. 148 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,160 Someone else sent in pictures of 149 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,560 a kind of hand-grasping mark on her wrist. 150 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,360 I didn't realise really how much 151 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,760 this story would grow arms and legs, 152 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,280 because there were people all over the world that would come 153 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,120 to Edinburgh and have this experience. 154 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,600 So, it was getting bigger and bigger, and bigger. 155 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,440 Now, to a somewhat puzzling story in Edinburgh - 156 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,760 where investigations are under way into a spate 157 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,880 of attacks in the city centre. 158 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,480 So far, they've been isolated to one small area, 159 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,760 but it seems there's little hope of finding the culprit. 160 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,280 Well, to explain everything, 161 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,160 we can cross live to the capital and our reporter, Martin Geissler. 162 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,200 Martin? 163 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,240 Over the last eight months, 164 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,960 49 separate paranormal experiences are reported to have taken place 165 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,880 in this graveyard - the most serious of which came just last week, 166 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,640 when a 28-year-old college lecturer from Edinburgh noticed 167 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,400 she suffered serious bruising to the side of her face. 168 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,840 In the beginning, we were just writing down the things 169 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,320 that had happened to people. 170 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,360 But when the cuts and the scratches, 171 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,560 and the bites became really severe, we started to record them, 172 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,160 and people would send us stuff. 173 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,240 This one I remember. 174 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,560 She began screaming that something was holding on to her, 175 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,040 and that she couldn't get away from it. 176 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,080 And then, the next day, we got that picture from her. 177 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,200 To begin with, I simply didn't believe it was true. 178 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,880 I didn't believe any of these things were happening. 179 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,320 But then, as the months went on, 180 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,800 my opinion began to shift. 181 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,480 When the weight of evidence became so huge that 182 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,760 I couldn't ignore it any longer, 183 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,400 I had to accept that, whatever this thing was, 184 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,280 I didn't have a good, rational explanation for it. 185 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,240 All I knew what it was doing, 186 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,880 and that was hurting people. 187 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,280 It's quite severe. 188 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,400 Yeah, that one particularly - that looks like, you know, 189 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,560 that's deep. 190 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,120 I thought, "How are we going to justify it to ourselves 191 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,800 "if it kills somebody"? 192 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,760 Poltergeist is a term. It just means "noisy spirit". 193 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,000 Most paranormal experiences are harmless. 194 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,840 It's very rare to be harmed in any way. 195 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:24,320 So, this is an unusual case. 196 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,280 The fact that the tomb was broken into does tie into 197 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,320 a long-running sort of theme, or trope in the paranormal 198 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,120 that there has to be some kind of trigger. 199 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:46,520 Why is there a disturbance? 200 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,400 Why do things start to happen? 201 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,120 It's because they're... well, in this instance, 202 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,120 a tomb was desecrated. 203 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:57,400 And what's more likely to anger or make a spirit unquiet 204 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,000 than their resting place disturbed? 205 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,040 And it's not just anyone's tomb. 206 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,080 It's this controversial figure in Scottish history, 207 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,320 Sir George Mackenzie, who was responsible for 208 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,880 the persecution of essentially the majority of Scottish 209 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,920 religious people for decades during the 1600s. 210 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,480 He was the lord advocate. 211 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,800 He was responsible for enforcing the King's laws in Scotland, 212 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:33,200 trying to interfere in the religion of Scotland. 213 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,400 Which meant that the people that would not agree were basically 214 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,400 treasonous and tried as such. 215 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,960 And the worst offenders were executed. 216 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,080 So, Mackenzie had blood on his hands. 217 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,480 I'm an investigator with the Scottish Society 218 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,040 for Psychical Research. 219 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:56,720 We investigate the paranormal in a scientific manner. 220 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,400 This one's fairly typical. 221 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,280 "On entering the mausoleum, I heard what can only describe 222 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,160 "as scraping steps to the right-hand side of me, 223 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,760 "though I was alone in the tomb. 224 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,120 "When I sat down, I took my jacket off. 225 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:12,880 "My mate asked me what the mark was on my neck. 226 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,720 "I looked in the mirror and saw 227 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,600 "what I can only describe as a red burn mark, 228 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,240 "like a big blotch. 229 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,400 "It looked like I had three fingermarks on my throat." 230 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:34,400 Not only is this quite a severe bruise, 231 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,840 but it's basically somewhere you'd presumably definitely notice, 232 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,480 if pressure was applied to your neck. 233 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,400 That seems to be really quite hard to explain. 234 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,120 However, as a responsible investigator, 235 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,480 I have to investigate things scientifically. 236 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,120 These might be psychosomatic. 237 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:55,400 Once primed to know that these sorts of things happen in this location, 238 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,280 essentially, you hypnotise yourself, 239 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,560 and your body creates these effects. 240 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,000 We know, from loads of psychological studies, 241 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,400 that expectancy can have a tremendous reality-warping effect. 242 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,120 The mind is extremely potent. 243 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:18,120 It has this ability to create physical sensations, 244 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:19,800 even physical injuries, 245 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,920 even though it's your mind over your own matter. 246 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,720 But if it is paranormal, 247 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,360 why would George McKenzie be attacking people? 248 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:51,080 I was fortunate enough to be able to rent 249 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,120 a flat in Candlemaker Row. 250 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:58,360 And it was overlooking Greyfriars Graveyard. 251 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,880 So, that became our office, 252 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,760 as well as where I lived. 253 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,440 At this point, I wanted to write a book 254 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,200 about the Mackenzie poltergeist. 255 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,320 I had all of this information. 256 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:28,120 I had collected all of these eyewitness accounts, photographs. 257 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,560 I pretty much had sole access to all of the information 258 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,320 about the Mackenzie poltergeist. 259 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,120 I was drawn to this thing. 260 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:40,640 It fascinated me. 261 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,600 I was making my living out of it. 262 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,640 I wanted to write about it. I wanted to study it. 263 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,320 I just couldn't stop. 264 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:55,320 But it didn't warrant the kind of scrutiny that I was giving it. 265 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,880 It seemed like the only person who couldn't see that was me. 266 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,280 After the initial feature, 267 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,920 the Mackenzie poltergeist story was proving really popular. 268 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,280 We're a newspaper, so we realised that we wanted 269 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,440 to not just report about what people were experiencing, 270 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,160 but do something more ourselves. 271 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,400 I chatted with the news editor, 272 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,640 and we were sort of throwing a few ideas around, 273 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,800 but thought that one of the kind of best things to do would be 274 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,840 to see whether we could get someone to agree to perform 275 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,920 an exorcism in the graveyard, 276 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,400 and kind of almost try and move the poltergeist on, as well, 277 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,120 because there were so many people talking about it that, actually, 278 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:57,760 we thought it would be, you know, 279 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,640 kind of the next chapter in the story. 280 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,880 It's quite an unusual thing to be asking someone, 281 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,880 even that does exorcisms, you know, to say, 282 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,640 "Can you come to this graveyard and, you know, try and 283 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,960 "sort out this poltergeist"? 284 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,160 So, the first person said, "Absolutely not". 285 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,840 You know, "It's just not something that I want to get involved in." 286 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,280 And then, I rang Colin Grant. 287 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,720 PHONE RINGS 288 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,600 Colin was a Christian spiritualist 289 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,360 and a minister in a local church, as well. 290 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,880 He was a warm, open-minded person, 291 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,520 and very highly regarded. 292 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,960 But Colin wasn't really sure. 293 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,400 He thought about it. 294 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,200 And he agreed to do it, because he thought it would help. 295 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,280 I don't think either of us realised the kind of impact 296 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,600 that it would have. 297 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,880 Claire Gardner approached me first 298 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,640 with the idea of doing an exorcism. 299 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,520 I wasn't particularly keen on the idea. 300 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,320 It was just this feeling with myself and among the guides that, 301 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,680 "Let's not rock the boat any more than we have". 302 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,560 But it wasn't really my place to say, "No, you can't do it". 303 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,160 And I actually went along. 304 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,000 The night of the exorcism, 305 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,720 it was dark, and it was cold, and it was drizzly. 306 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,760 I'd arranged to meet Susan, our photographer, 307 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,760 and Jan and Colin outside the gates. 308 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,520 Colin walked around the graveyard with his old, battered Bible 309 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,560 and some holy water and some candles, 310 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,920 working out where he wanted to work first, 311 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,200 and where he wanted to be. 312 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,280 And it was all just very understated. 313 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,240 You know, you wouldn't think that something life-changing 314 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,720 was about to happen. 315 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,520 He set out a kind of circle of candles... 316 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,680 ..put a crucifix in the front, 317 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,600 and a smaller crucifix at the back. 318 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,680 I remember he sort of paced up and down, 319 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,160 and he was sort of chucking holy water in various places, 320 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,240 and reading from the Bible. 321 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,720 There was power in the quietness, I think. 322 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,160 You know, and I was kind of saying to him, "What can you see"? 323 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,240 And he was talking about all these spirits that were trapped, 324 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,240 and wanting him to free them. 325 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,400 It was a very intimate thing, I think, that we were watching, 326 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,480 of him releasing all these souls, 327 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,720 so there was a quietness to it. 328 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,520 LATIN PRAYER ECHOES 329 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,760 LATIN PRAYER CONTINUES 330 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,040 But then, once he'd finished this ritual, 331 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,960 he walked towards the mausoleum and got to the gate. 332 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,080 He staggered a bit. 333 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,480 We kind of all went, "Are you OK, Colin"? 334 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,240 And he said, "I'm absolutely not going down there. 335 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,280 "There's something too powerful for me. 336 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,320 "I don't want to interfere with that." 337 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,840 Obviously, he felt some powerful force that, you know, 338 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,120 even with his experience and with his belief, 339 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,880 he didn't feel that he wanted to take that on. 340 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,080 He said that he feared reprisals, if he started meddling. 341 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,560 Colin did seem really quite kind of wrung out, 342 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,200 did take a lot out of him. 343 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,800 His wife was waiting for him, 344 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,480 so, we kind of said our goodbyes and walking towards the gate. 345 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,360 And again, he staggered a bit. 346 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,680 Behind these gates was an open-air prison. 347 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,160 1,200 prisoners persecuted by Sir George Mackenzie 348 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,840 were kept in that prison. 349 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,160 Only 269 survived. 350 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,600 The human misery and suffering must have been terrible in here. 351 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,920 For spiritualists and spiritualist ministers, 352 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,120 they would view the situation as souls or spirits 353 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,840 being earthbound or trapped... 354 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,120 ..like some kind of distilled black ink of human misery 355 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,760 that just sits there. 356 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,160 And people entering the mausoleum are like blotting paper. 357 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,280 They're absorbing these experiences 358 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,680 and taking parts of those experiences away. 359 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,560 From a psychological point of view, 360 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,960 once you start to believe or expect the paranormal, 361 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,600 and that's that cognitive expectation bias. 362 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,640 You start to interpret more and more as being paranormal. 363 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,440 Every time you hear a creak or a tap against the window, 364 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,760 you might start to feel dizzy. 365 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,480 You might start to feel sick. 366 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,040 It becomes paranormal. 367 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,640 I went home after the exorcism. 368 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,160 Obviously, I couldn't sleep. 369 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,520 I sort of sprinted into work the next day to write it all up. 370 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,400 When I had written up the exorcism, 371 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,840 we went through a lot of the photos that were taken from that night. 372 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,640 And the picture editor called me over and said, 373 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,200 "Oh, my God, come and have a look at one that we've got here. 374 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,160 "We just can't work it out." 375 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,320 I'd done a few jobs with Claire, and we worked well together. 376 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,080 And it was just another job, really. 377 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,880 Claire had to interview him, and I had to get a photo. 378 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,840 We got it all set up, got the candle. 379 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,760 And I did have a flash on. 380 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,240 And we kind of took a couple of different shots, 381 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,960 and things like that. 382 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,440 And I didn't develop the stuff until the next day. 383 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,040 We were going through the photos, searching them all, 384 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,600 and working on what we were going to use. 385 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,040 And then, this was when we blew up this one photo. 386 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,680 It kind of described everything - because you've got him, 387 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,320 you've got the candle, you've got the graveyards around him. 388 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,800 It was nicely lit. 389 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,920 And then, this was when we noticed 390 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,960 this shadow in the window. 391 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,320 I kept saying, "It can't be the flash", 392 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,400 because the flash wasn't pointed in that direction. 393 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,560 And, even if it was, 394 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,400 there had to have been something to cause the shadow. 395 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,320 So, I went back that day. 396 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,720 I checked out the window. 397 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,880 I checked the window sill. I checked the area around it. 398 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,880 There's no statue. There's no bust of a head, 399 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,600 or anything like that in that window. 400 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,920 And I went back to my editor and said, 401 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,880 "There is nothing there that could have caused that". 402 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,800 There's literally nothing there. 403 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,680 Who knows what that is? 404 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,440 You could imagine it's somebody peering out the window. 405 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,200 But this is a perfect example of, 406 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,680 just because you don't know what that is, 407 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,880 it does not mean it is unknown. 408 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,960 The story just keeps on going 409 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,160 because people want to believe. 410 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,200 The story continued to generate a lot of interest. 411 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,760 But then, I got a phone call. 412 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,840 And it was Colin's son on the phone. 413 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,320 And he rang and said, 414 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,240 "Colin's dead". 415 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:28,440 And, yeah, I just had a moment of, 416 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,240 you know, that moment of disbelief, 417 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,720 I think, when you get a call like that, saying, "What"? 418 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:33,960 You know, "What"? 419 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,480 And he said that he was doing a reading in his shop in Edinburgh, 420 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,160 and was nearing the end of it. 421 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,960 And apparently, he had said to the lady he was doing the reading for, 422 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,960 "I've got no good news left, 423 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,080 "only bad news". 424 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,760 And he had a heart attack and died. 425 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,160 You know, like, all I could think about was the time 426 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,440 that I'd last seen him at the churchyard, 427 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,400 and how he was slightly exhausted, 428 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,440 and how he'd talked so much about how that exorcism 429 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,880 had taken so much out of him. 430 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,560 And, yeah, I just thought, "God, that's just terrible". 431 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,720 And, you know... could the two be related? 432 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,440 When I found out Colin had died, 433 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,000 I-I was sad about that. 434 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,240 And this whole thing worried me, 435 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,400 because finally, somebody had died. 436 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,800 So, what might it do to us? 437 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,360 And it brought it home to some of the guides, especially, 438 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,280 that they were playing with fire. 439 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:53,280 And, one by one, in the 2-3 weeks after that, 440 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,200 all of the original guides said, "We're leaving". 441 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,800 It's happy just to cut and bite, and scratch you, 442 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,320 but don't push it. 443 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,440 Don't push it too far, because if you do... 444 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,040 ..it's capable of so much more than that. 445 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:24,600 WOMAN REPORTS IN JAPANESE 446 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,360 Colin Grant's death really got the media's attention, 447 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,400 so now, we were getting attention not just from local media, 448 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,200 but from world media, as well. 449 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,600 We had crews coming from different parts of the world 450 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,160 and filming in the graveyard. 451 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,080 The poltergeist knocked out a couple of people. 452 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,920 It cut and scratched a few others. 453 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,040 But, you know, of course, it didn't do the tours any harm. 454 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,520 Everything it does is good for business 455 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,920 if it does something nasty - 456 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,080 which is one of the dichotomies about the Mackenzie poltergeist. 457 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,520 And so, we continued what we were doing. 458 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,120 The really interesting thing about this story of 459 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,080 the Mackenzie poltergeist is it's basically self-perpetuating. 460 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,160 You've got all these hundreds of people, 461 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,480 their skin coming out in scars and bruises, 462 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,720 and sometimes burns and blisters. 463 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,040 You've got the spiritualist minister Colin Grant sadly passing away, 464 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,960 and all of that becomes part of the myth, part of the story. 465 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,600 There has been exorcism attempts in Greyfriars over the years. 466 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,200 One in 1999 by Colin Grant. 467 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,080 He came in and performed an exorcism. 468 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,120 Allegedly a week later, he was doing a private reading 469 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,200 in his residence... bang, his heart stopped. 470 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,200 He dropped dead instantly. 471 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,800 I don't regard this as a particular mystery. 472 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,400 He was 66 years old. 473 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,280 There was a history of heart problems in the family. 474 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,280 The family don't regard it as a mystery. 475 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:54,240 Some of the cases which seems, on the face of it, 476 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,800 to have the most impressive evidence often have the biggest 477 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,320 question marks over them, in terms of motives. 478 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,160 And certainly, this case ticks a lot of boxes, 479 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,480 because it's a commercial enterprise. 480 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680 For me personally, I still haven't made my mind up. 481 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,240 It could be paranormal. 482 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,520 And, as a paranormal investigator who's open to the possibility 483 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,960 of the paranormal, I would say, 484 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,240 "Let sleeping ghosts lie". 485 00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:29,160 Because sometimes, you know, 486 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,400 unpleasant or unwelcome things can happen. 487 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,040 The story of the Mackenzie poltergeist may be 488 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,000 the equivalent of basically people 489 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,080 sticking their head in a wasp's nest and being stung. 490 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,800 You know, don't stick your head in a wasp's nest. 491 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,160 I thought, "I will not be intimidated by something 492 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,520 "that lives in a tomb". 493 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,840 And so, I was still writing a book about the McKenzie poltergeist. 494 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,320 In hindsight, we were just... 495 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,760 ..we were ignoring what was right in front of us. 496 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,320 And then, it all came to a head 497 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,640 in the most horrendous way. 498 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,400 I was out, and I got a phone call. 499 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,760 "You'd better get back here right now." 500 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,320 I ran back to my house. 501 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,320 Firefighters were tackling the blaze. 502 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,720 And they eventually managed to put it out. 503 00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,160 And I went in. 504 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,280 Everything, I mean, everything I possessed was gone. 505 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,520 I lost everything I'd ever gathered 506 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,840 on the poltergeist up to that point. 507 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,760 My computer was gone. 508 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,480 Two years' worth of notes on the Mackenzie poltergeist was gone. 509 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,040 The hard drive that I used to back up to, burned to a cinder. 510 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,400 Everything was gone. 511 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,000 And my home. 512 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,400 And yet, none of the other flats were touched. 513 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,800 Not even singed. 514 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,400 The one above me, the one below me, on either side - nothing. 515 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,120 It was simply my flat. 516 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,080 The firemen said it looked like a flash fire that had 517 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,680 just gone straight through and destroyed everything. 518 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,360 Insurance investigators looked at the place, as well. 519 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,920 They could not find a reason why the fire had started. 520 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,120 I could've chalked it up to coincidence. 521 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,440 And I still - there's a part of me that doesn't want to believe 522 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,800 it was anything other than... 523 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,160 ..just a, yeah, coincidence. 524 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:54,280 Part of me does not want to believe that an entity got back at me 525 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,120 because I was too nosy about it. 526 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,400 But it certainly looks like that. 527 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,040 When the flat burned down, 528 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,120 I stopped being a tour guide myself, 529 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,960 cos I...my heart wasn't in it. 530 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,680 I started the tours because I'd heard reports 531 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,880 of something attacking people 532 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,560 in Greyfriars Graveyard. 533 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,040 I didn't expect to find anything real. 534 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,440 I've made peace with the fact that I'll never know 535 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,720 what I'm dealing with, not the full extent of it. 536 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:53,920 The Mackenzie poltergeist, for me, for over the last 20 years, 537 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,560 has simply been a succession of unanswered questions. 538 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,360 And so, in some way, I have given up asking. 539 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,560 I am now on the absolute other side of the world. 540 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,240 I live in Brisbane, in Australia, in Queensland - 541 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,680 so almost directly opposite. 542 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,280 Can't get me now. 43714

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