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There may be close to 450,000
bodies
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buried in Greyfriars Graveyard,
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most of them without coffins.
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When you go in there,
you are literally standing on
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a mountain of dead people.
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There's a legend about
the king's advocate of Charles II,
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George Mackenzie.
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He condemned hundreds of men,
women, and children to death.
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He died in 1691.
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But it's said that he haunts
Greyfriars Graveyard
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because of the atrocities
he committed when he was alive.
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In the 1700s, 1800s,
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children from Heriot's School
next door used to come into
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the graveyard and dare each other
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to go up to the
door of the mausoleum.
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INDISTINCT CHILDREN'S CHATTER
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The question of
whether I am a sceptic
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or whether I wholeheartedly believe
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the evidence put before me,
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it's more difficult than
you might think.
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Inherently in me,
I'm a complete sceptic.
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And yet, just the things
I've seen...
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..the overwhelming volume
of evidence that we collected...
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..it's pretty hard to ignore.
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I'd been living in
Edinburgh for many years,
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when I heard a story that
changed my entire life.
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This was a story that was told to me
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by a caretaker at the church
of Greyfriars Graveyard.
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WIND WHIPS
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It was a horrendous winter.
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A homeless man came into
the graveyard,
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looking for somewhere to shelter.
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HE COUGHS
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And he spotted a large mausoleum...
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..which was George Mackenzie's tomb.
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And he fell through into
a chamber underneath.
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It was a huge pile of
decomposed bodies.
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A dog walker, who was taking his dog
at night through the graveyard...
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SCREAMING
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DOG BARKS
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Terrified, they both ran for it.
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Seemed like that was the end
of the incident, really.
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But I began to hear rumours
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there was something
in the graveyard.
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They had woken something up.
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I moved to Edinburgh
and did a degree in philosophy
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and English literature.
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I had a real passion
for history, as well.
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I love history. It's fascinating.
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And slowly, I got to know
the Edinburgh that I know now.
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It's got a history.
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This place stayed medieval
long after the rest of Europe
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had cleaned up its act.
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So, it's not just a long
and rich history,
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but it's also an incredibly
brutal and savage one, as well.
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As soon as I heard the
story of the homeless man,
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I thought to myself,
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"There's a real opportunity here.
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"I could do something in
this graveyard with this story."
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I decided to set up
a ghost tour company.
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We hired four or five guides
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who we thought would be good
at what they did.
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However, it soon transpired
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that we didn't have
to make up ghost stories.
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After a few weeks,
I was doing a tour.
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I'm talking away.
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And suddenly...
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..this man, he just went down...
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..onto the concrete floor.
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A whole bunch of things
went through my mind.
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But the first ones had nothing
to do with the supernatural.
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It was like,
"Should I call an ambulance"?
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He went down like somebody had
hit him with a baseball bat.
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The rest of the tour was different.
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The people inside the mausoleum
were scared, properly scared.
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And then, it happened again.
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Two or three days later,
exactly the same thing.
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The guides themselves,
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they struggled with the things
that they were seeing, as well.
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One of the guides
came in and said to me,
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"I saw the scratches appear
on someone's face".
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Like, they wasn't there,
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and then, suddenly they were.
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After that, his whole
demeanour changed.
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When he would finish a tour,
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he wasn't happy and joking
about it any more.
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He was disturbed
by what he was doing.
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The year was 1999,
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and I had just started out on
my first proper journalism job
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at the Edinburgh Evening News.
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And this is my big break.
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I worked with a particularly
brilliant news editor
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who'd seen a placard on the street
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advertising ghost tours.
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And I think there was some
kind of claim about attacks or,
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you know, this kind of
vengeful ghost.
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And he'd come back
and pulled me aside and said,
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"I definitely think this
would be a great piece.
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"Why don't you go along
and cover it,
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"and write a feature on it?"
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It's a difficult subject, isn't it?
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Because people are
open-minded sometimes.
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Sometimes people are
complete believers.
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Sometimes people think
it's a whole lot of guff.
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But I was a journalist,
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and I was going along there
with an open mind.
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The night that I went along
to cover the tour for the paper,
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you know, it was an
Edinburgh winter's night.
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So, it was cold, raining,
a bit windy.
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It's pitch-black.
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But you did think,
"What's around that corner"?
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You know, sort of crumbling
old buildings and things,
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with all the stories behind it.
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Part of the tour was to go down
into this mausoleum.
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And it was cold and damp.
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It was very atmospheric.
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And then, everyone came back out.
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And Jan had locked it back up again.
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And it was after then that
a few people started saying
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that they had felt something.
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One woman said that she'd felt
this kind of chill go through her.
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Someone said that
they felt someone grab them.
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A woman also said that
she felt quite unwell.
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People were really,
genuinely frightened.
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They were very much of
the opinion that something that
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they couldn't explain had happened
to them down in that mausoleum.
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I went back to the office.
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I wrote up the piece.
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It got a really good position
in the paper.
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It was a big-selling paper
at that time.
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A lot of people read it.
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And the fact that people were
talking about their experiences
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obviously resonated with other
people who'd been in the graveyard.
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This was the days
before social media, so,
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to kind of react to something
you read in the paper
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was quite a big thing.
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PHONE RINGS
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We'd got phone calls from people
who'd had similar experiences,
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MULTIPLE PHONES RINGING
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People writing letters,
people sending in photos,
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people coming into the offices,
into the reception,
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and wanting to talk to me
about their experiences.
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There was a woman that showed,
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it looked like a kind of burn mark
was sort of around her neck,
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that she said hadn't been there
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before she'd gone into
the mausoleum.
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And then, she'd come out and
felt this burning sensation.
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Someone else sent in pictures of
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a kind of hand-grasping
mark on her wrist.
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I didn't realise really how much
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this story would grow arms and legs,
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because there were people all
over the world that would come
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to Edinburgh and have
this experience.
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So, it was getting bigger
and bigger, and bigger.
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Now, to a somewhat puzzling
story in Edinburgh -
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where investigations are
under way into a spate
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of attacks in the city centre.
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So far, they've been
isolated to one small area,
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but it seems there's little hope
of finding the culprit.
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Well, to explain everything,
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we can cross live to the capital and
our reporter, Martin Geissler.
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Martin?
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Over the last eight months,
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49 separate paranormal experiences
are reported to have taken place
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in this graveyard - the most serious
of which came just last week,
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when a 28-year-old college
lecturer from Edinburgh noticed
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she suffered serious bruising
to the side of her face.
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In the beginning, we were just
writing down the things
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that had happened to people.
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But when the cuts and the scratches,
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and the bites became really severe,
we started to record them,
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and people would send us stuff.
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This one I remember.
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She began screaming that
something was holding on to her,
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and that she couldn't
get away from it.
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And then, the next day,
we got that picture from her.
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To begin with, I simply didn't
believe it was true.
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I didn't believe any of
these things were happening.
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But then, as the months went on,
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my opinion began to shift.
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When the weight of evidence
became so huge that
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I couldn't ignore it any longer,
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I had to accept that,
whatever this thing was,
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I didn't have a good,
rational explanation for it.
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All I knew what it was doing,
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and that was hurting people.
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It's quite severe.
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Yeah, that one particularly -
that looks like, you know,
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that's deep.
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I thought, "How are we going
to justify it to ourselves
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"if it kills somebody"?
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Poltergeist is a term.
It just means "noisy spirit".
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Most paranormal experiences
are harmless.
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It's very rare to be
harmed in any way.
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So, this is an unusual case.
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The fact that the tomb was
broken into does tie into
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a long-running sort of theme,
or trope in the paranormal
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that there has to be some
kind of trigger.
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Why is there a disturbance?
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Why do things start to happen?
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It's because they're...
well, in this instance,
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a tomb was desecrated.
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And what's more likely to anger
or make a spirit unquiet
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than their resting place disturbed?
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And it's not just anyone's tomb.
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It's this controversial figure
in Scottish history,
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Sir George Mackenzie,
who was responsible for
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the persecution of essentially
the majority of Scottish
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religious people for decades
during the 1600s.
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He was the lord advocate.
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He was responsible for enforcing
the King's laws in Scotland,
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trying to interfere in
the religion of Scotland.
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Which meant that the people
that would not agree were basically
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treasonous and tried as such.
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And the worst offenders
were executed.
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So, Mackenzie had blood
on his hands.
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I'm an investigator with
the Scottish Society
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for Psychical Research.
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We investigate the paranormal
in a scientific manner.
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This one's fairly typical.
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"On entering the mausoleum,
I heard what can only describe
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"as scraping steps to
the right-hand side of me,
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"though I was alone in the tomb.
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"When I sat down,
I took my jacket off.
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"My mate asked me what
the mark was on my neck.
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"I looked in the mirror and saw
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"what I can only describe
as a red burn mark,
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"like a big blotch.
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"It looked like I had three
fingermarks on my throat."
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Not only is this quite
a severe bruise,
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but it's basically somewhere you'd
presumably definitely notice,
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if pressure was applied
to your neck.
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That seems to be really
quite hard to explain.
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However, as a
responsible investigator,
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I have to investigate things
scientifically.
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These might be psychosomatic.
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Once primed to know that these sorts
of things happen in this location,
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essentially, you hypnotise yourself,
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and your body creates these effects.
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We know, from loads of
psychological studies,
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that expectancy can have a
tremendous reality-warping effect.
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The mind is extremely potent.
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It has this ability
to create physical sensations,
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even physical injuries,
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even though it's your mind
over your own matter.
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But if it is paranormal,
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why would George McKenzie
be attacking people?
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I was fortunate enough
to be able to rent
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a flat in Candlemaker Row.
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And it was overlooking
Greyfriars Graveyard.
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So, that became our office,
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as well as where I lived.
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At this point,
I wanted to write a book
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about the Mackenzie poltergeist.
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I had all of this information.
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I had collected all of these
eyewitness accounts, photographs.
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I pretty much had sole access
to all of the information
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about the Mackenzie poltergeist.
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I was drawn to this thing.
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It fascinated me.
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I was making my living out of it.
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I wanted to write about it.
I wanted to study it.
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I just couldn't stop.
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But it didn't warrant the kind of
scrutiny that I was giving it.
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It seemed like the only person
who couldn't see that was me.
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After the initial feature,
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the Mackenzie poltergeist story
was proving really popular.
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We're a newspaper,
so we realised that we wanted
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to not just report about what
people were experiencing,
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but do something more ourselves.
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I chatted with the news editor,
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and we were sort of throwing
a few ideas around,
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but thought that one of the kind of
best things to do would be
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to see whether we could get
someone to agree to perform
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an exorcism in the graveyard,
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and kind of almost try and move
the poltergeist on, as well,
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because there were so many people
talking about it that, actually,
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we thought it would be, you know,
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kind of the next chapter
in the story.
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It's quite an unusual thing
to be asking someone,
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even that does exorcisms,
you know, to say,
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"Can you come to this graveyard
and, you know, try and
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"sort out this poltergeist"?
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So, the first person said,
"Absolutely not".
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You know, "It's just not something
that I want to get involved in."
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And then, I rang Colin Grant.
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PHONE RINGS
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Colin was a Christian spiritualist
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and a minister in
a local church, as well.
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He was a warm, open-minded person,
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and very highly regarded.
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But Colin wasn't really sure.
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He thought about it.
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And he agreed to do it,
because he thought it would help.
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I don't think either of us
realised the kind of impact
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that it would have.
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Claire Gardner approached me first
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with the idea of doing an exorcism.
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I wasn't particularly keen
on the idea.
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It was just this feeling with
myself and among the guides that,
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"Let's not rock the boat any
more than we have".
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But it wasn't really my place
to say, "No, you can't do it".
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And I actually went along.
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The night of the exorcism,
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it was dark, and it was cold,
and it was drizzly.
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I'd arranged to meet Susan,
our photographer,
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and Jan and Colin outside the gates.
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Colin walked around the graveyard
with his old, battered Bible
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and some holy water
and some candles,
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working out where
he wanted to work first,
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and where he wanted to be.
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And it was all just
very understated.
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You know, you wouldn't think
that something life-changing
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was about to happen.
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He set out a kind of
circle of candles...
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..put a crucifix in the front,
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and a smaller crucifix at the back.
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I remember he sort of
paced up and down,
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and he was sort of chucking
holy water in various places,
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and reading from the Bible.
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There was power in the quietness,
I think.
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You know, and I was kind of saying
to him, "What can you see"?
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And he was talking about all
these spirits that were trapped,
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and wanting him to free them.
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It was a very intimate thing,
I think, that we were watching,
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of him releasing all these souls,
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so there was a quietness to it.
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LATIN PRAYER ECHOES
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LATIN PRAYER CONTINUES
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But then, once he'd
finished this ritual,
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he walked towards the mausoleum
and got to the gate.
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He staggered a bit.
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We kind of all went,
"Are you OK, Colin"?
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And he said, "I'm absolutely
not going down there.
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"There's something
too powerful for me.
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"I don't want to interfere
with that."
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Obviously, he felt some
powerful force that, you know,
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even with his experience
and with his belief,
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he didn't feel that
he wanted to take that on.
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He said that he feared reprisals,
if he started meddling.
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Colin did seem really quite
kind of wrung out,
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did take a lot out of him.
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His wife was waiting for him,
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so, we kind of said our goodbyes
and walking towards the gate.
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And again, he staggered a bit.
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Behind these gates was
an open-air prison.
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1,200 prisoners persecuted
by Sir George Mackenzie
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were kept in that prison.
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Only 269 survived.
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The human misery and suffering
must have been terrible in here.
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For spiritualists
and spiritualist ministers,
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they would view the situation
as souls or spirits
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being earthbound or trapped...
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..like some kind of distilled
black ink of human misery
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that just sits there.
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And people entering the mausoleum
are like blotting paper.
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They're absorbing these experiences
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and taking parts of those
experiences away.
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From a psychological point of view,
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once you start to believe or
expect the paranormal,
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and that's that cognitive
expectation bias.
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You start to interpret more
and more as being paranormal.
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Every time you hear a creak or
a tap against the window,
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you might start to feel dizzy.
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You might start to feel sick.
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It becomes paranormal.
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I went home after the exorcism.
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Obviously, I couldn't sleep.
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I sort of sprinted into work
the next day to write it all up.
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When I had written up the exorcism,
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we went through a lot of the photos
that were taken from that night.
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And the picture editor
called me over and said,
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"Oh, my God, come and have a look
at one that we've got here.
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"We just can't work it out."
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I'd done a few jobs with Claire,
and we worked well together.
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And it was just another job, really.
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Claire had to interview him,
and I had to get a photo.
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We got it all set up,
got the candle.
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And I did have a flash on.
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And we kind of took a couple
of different shots,
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and things like that.
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And I didn't develop
the stuff until the next day.
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We were going through the photos,
searching them all,
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and working on what
we were going to use.
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And then, this was when
we blew up this one photo.
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It kind of described everything -
because you've got him,
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you've got the candle, you've got
the graveyards around him.
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It was nicely lit.
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And then, this was when we noticed
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this shadow in the window.
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I kept saying,
"It can't be the flash",
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because the flash wasn't pointed
in that direction.
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And, even if it was,
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there had to have been
something to cause the shadow.
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So, I went back that day.
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I checked out the window.
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I checked the window sill.
I checked the area around it.
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There's no statue.
There's no bust of a head,
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or anything like that
in that window.
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And I went back
to my editor and said,
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00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,880
"There is nothing there that
could have caused that".
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00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,800
There's literally nothing there.
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Who knows what that is?
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00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,440
You could imagine it's
somebody peering out the window.
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00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,200
But this is a perfect example of,
406
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,680
just because you don't
know what that is,
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it does not mean it is unknown.
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The story just keeps on going
409
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,160
because people want to believe.
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00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,200
The story continued
to generate a lot of interest.
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But then, I got a phone call.
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And it was Colin's son on the phone.
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And he rang and said,
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"Colin's dead".
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And, yeah, I just had a moment of,
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you know, that moment of disbelief,
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I think, when you get a call
like that, saying, "What"?
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You know, "What"?
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And he said that he was doing
a reading in his shop in Edinburgh,
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and was nearing the end of it.
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And apparently, he had said to the
lady he was doing the reading for,
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"I've got no good news left,
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"only bad news".
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And he had a heart attack and died.
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You know, like, all I could
think about was the time
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that I'd last seen him
at the churchyard,
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and how he was slightly exhausted,
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00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,440
and how he'd talked so much
about how that exorcism
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00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,880
had taken so much out of him.
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00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,560
And, yeah, I just thought,
"God, that's just terrible".
431
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,720
And, you know...
could the two be related?
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When I found out Colin had died,
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I-I was sad about that.
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00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,240
And this whole thing worried me,
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00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,400
because finally, somebody had died.
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So, what might it do to us?
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00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,360
And it brought it home to some
of the guides, especially,
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that they were playing with fire.
439
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:53,280
And, one by one,
in the 2-3 weeks after that,
440
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,200
all of the original guides said,
"We're leaving".
441
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,800
It's happy just to cut and bite,
and scratch you,
442
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,320
but don't push it.
443
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,440
Don't push it too far,
because if you do...
444
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,040
..it's capable of
so much more than that.
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WOMAN REPORTS IN JAPANESE
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Colin Grant's death really got
the media's attention,
447
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,400
so now, we were getting attention
not just from local media,
448
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,200
but from world media, as well.
449
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,600
We had crews coming from
different parts of the world
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and filming in the graveyard.
451
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,080
The poltergeist knocked out
a couple of people.
452
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,920
It cut and scratched a few others.
453
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,040
But, you know, of course,
it didn't do the tours any harm.
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Everything it does is
good for business
455
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,920
if it does something nasty -
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which is one of the dichotomies
about the Mackenzie poltergeist.
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00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,520
And so, we continued what
we were doing.
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The really interesting thing
about this story of
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the Mackenzie poltergeist is
it's basically self-perpetuating.
460
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,160
You've got all these
hundreds of people,
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00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,480
their skin coming out in
scars and bruises,
462
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,720
and sometimes burns and blisters.
463
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,040
You've got the spiritualist minister
Colin Grant sadly passing away,
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00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,960
and all of that becomes part of
the myth, part of the story.
465
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,600
There has been exorcism attempts
in Greyfriars over the years.
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00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,200
One in 1999 by Colin Grant.
467
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,080
He came in and performed
an exorcism.
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00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,120
Allegedly a week later,
he was doing a private reading
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00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,200
in his residence...
bang, his heart stopped.
470
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,200
He dropped dead instantly.
471
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,800
I don't regard this as a
particular mystery.
472
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,400
He was 66 years old.
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00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,280
There was a history of
heart problems in the family.
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00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,280
The family don't regard it
as a mystery.
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00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:54,240
Some of the cases which seems,
on the face of it,
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00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,800
to have the most impressive
evidence often have the biggest
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00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,320
question marks over them,
in terms of motives.
478
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,160
And certainly, this case
ticks a lot of boxes,
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00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,480
because it's a
commercial enterprise.
480
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680
For me personally, I still
haven't made my mind up.
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00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,240
It could be paranormal.
482
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,520
And, as a paranormal investigator
who's open to the possibility
483
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,960
of the paranormal, I would say,
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00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,240
"Let sleeping ghosts lie".
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00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:29,160
Because sometimes, you know,
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00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,400
unpleasant or unwelcome
things can happen.
487
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,040
The story of the Mackenzie
poltergeist may be
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00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,000
the equivalent of basically people
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00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,080
sticking their head in
a wasp's nest and being stung.
490
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,800
You know, don't stick your
head in a wasp's nest.
491
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,160
I thought, "I will not be
intimidated by something
492
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,520
"that lives in a tomb".
493
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,840
And so, I was still writing a book
about the McKenzie poltergeist.
494
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,320
In hindsight, we were just...
495
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,760
..we were ignoring what was
right in front of us.
496
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,320
And then, it all came to a head
497
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,640
in the most horrendous way.
498
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,400
I was out, and I got a phone call.
499
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,760
"You'd better get back here
right now."
500
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,320
I ran back to my house.
501
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,320
Firefighters were tackling
the blaze.
502
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,720
And they eventually
managed to put it out.
503
00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,160
And I went in.
504
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,280
Everything, I mean,
everything I possessed was gone.
505
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,520
I lost everything I'd ever gathered
506
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,840
on the poltergeist up to that point.
507
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,760
My computer was gone.
508
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,480
Two years' worth of notes on
the Mackenzie poltergeist was gone.
509
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,040
The hard drive that I used to
back up to, burned to a cinder.
510
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,400
Everything was gone.
511
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,000
And my home.
512
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,400
And yet, none of the other
flats were touched.
513
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,800
Not even singed.
514
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,400
The one above me, the one below me,
on either side - nothing.
515
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,120
It was simply my flat.
516
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,080
The firemen said it looked like
a flash fire that had
517
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,680
just gone straight through
and destroyed everything.
518
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,360
Insurance investigators
looked at the place, as well.
519
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,920
They could not find a reason
why the fire had started.
520
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,120
I could've chalked it up
to coincidence.
521
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,440
And I still - there's a part of me
that doesn't want to believe
522
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,800
it was anything other than...
523
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,160
..just a, yeah, coincidence.
524
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:54,280
Part of me does not want to believe
that an entity got back at me
525
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,120
because I was too nosy about it.
526
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,400
But it certainly looks like that.
527
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,040
When the flat burned down,
528
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,120
I stopped being a tour guide myself,
529
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,960
cos I...my heart wasn't in it.
530
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,680
I started the tours
because I'd heard reports
531
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,880
of something attacking people
532
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,560
in Greyfriars Graveyard.
533
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,040
I didn't expect to find
anything real.
534
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,440
I've made peace with
the fact that I'll never know
535
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,720
what I'm dealing with,
not the full extent of it.
536
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:53,920
The Mackenzie poltergeist, for me,
for over the last 20 years,
537
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,560
has simply been a succession
of unanswered questions.
538
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,360
And so, in some way,
I have given up asking.
539
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,560
I am now on the absolute
other side of the world.
540
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,240
I live in Brisbane,
in Australia, in Queensland -
541
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,680
so almost directly opposite.
542
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,280
Can't get me now.
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