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I've had two babies, you see,
if you're counting.
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I was 16, the first one.
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A boy from our street was the
father,
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though that's a bloody grown-up word
for a boy that age.
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Of course, he couldn't marry me.
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He had an uncle who'd made good in
Cardiff as an undertaker and was
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going to train him up.
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Dad said, "Well, he can probably
be trusted with dead bodies."
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Mum didn't like that.
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I don't see the point in coming up
with a name for her.
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Dad asked the man at the Home &
Colonial to take me on as I'd best
earn a living.
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Mum said, "Men don't like damaged
goods."
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Well, they won't if you call them
damaged goods!
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I liked it at the shop.
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All the foods!
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After I'd had the baby...
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..Mum made me sit at the back in
church, away from the family,
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to show she was taking our
collective shame seriously.
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And that's where I met Michael.
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They were a bit posh, his family -
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well, compared to the rest of the
congregation,
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not posh compared to what I met
after, through Michael, you know.
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He was new at the church,
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a bit older, but he took to sitting
at the back with me so he could make
jokes.
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Not to shock me.
He knew I was hardly a nun.
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Michael didn't believe in God, but
he liked the singing.
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I used to laugh at his singing.
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"Do I sing funny?" he asked.
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"No, I said, "you sing lovely.
That's what's funny."
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I says to him, "You should be in the
choir."
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But he said he liked sitting with
me,
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and that you can't muck about if
you're in the choir.
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"Or," he said, "in the case of this
choir, sing in bloody tune."
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Two months after he first set eyes
on me, he asked me to marry him.
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I didn't see it coming.
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Not because of my...scandal.
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It just hadn't occurred.
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He was my pal.
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We had a laugh.
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And it was his little brother,
Charlie, I'd got me eye on.
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Charlie!
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He'd just started in the police,
and he had such thick dark hair,
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he always looked like he hadn't
shaved since yesterday.
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He's gone to seed now, Charlie, like
some men do.
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Dad said it was up to me if I
married Michael.
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Mum said, "How soon can you do it?"
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I just thought...
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..well, Alice, it could be fun.
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It was his parents got us the
weekend in Brighton.
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We got in the hotel room, and the
curtains were shut tight,
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even though it was broad daylight
outside.
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"I think they're dropping hints,"
I said.
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Michael seemed not to hear that,
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and he went and straightened a
picture on the wall.
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I sat on the bed,
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and there was a vase of little
flowers on the bedside table,
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so I took one out and I put it
between my lips, like I'm some sort
of...
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Oh, I don't know!
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Only, cos of the dark,
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I hadn't realised the flowers were
made of bloody cloth, so I'm sat
there,
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all demure, spitting fluff and dust
out of my mouth.
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He laughed at that.
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We both did.
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So I patted the bed beside me, like
this.
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But he didn't seem to...
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Well, I thought you were meant to
get straight to it, see.
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What with how people bang on about
honeymoons,
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with their winks and nudges.
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I say people - silly girls who
wouldn't know sex from tobogganing.
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Michael looks me up and down, like
he's taking me in, and he says,
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"That bedspread is the same pattern
as your dress."
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He goes to the window and opens the
curtains.
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It wasn't a sea view, but he stands
there anyway,
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peering outside with all the specks
of dust swarming round his head.
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He must be nervous, I thought.
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That'd be it. That's what I thought.
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Well, he'd probably not done it
before and, of course, he knew I
had.
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So I said, "Come on, let's go out.
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"Out the hotel, I mean."
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We had supper and went dancing at
one of the smarter ones on the
front,
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which had palm trees and a band.
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He's a lovely mover, is Michael.
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When the band stopped, we were both
half-cut.
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Well, half is an understatement.
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So we stumbled back, fell into bed
and passed out.
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The second night, he said he felt
sick.
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We lived with Helen and Jack at
first -
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that's Michael's mum and dad.
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Oh, they treated me nice, but...
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..I looked forward to him coming
home of a night.
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I'd stopped working
at the Home & Colonial, see,
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cos Mr Barrett didn't think it right
for a married woman to stay on.
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Michael would come in, eight, nine,
even ten, sometimes.
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A bit of supper, a game of cards.
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He said he was funny about sex,
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what with his mum and dad sleeping
only in the next room.
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So...
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I'd lie there with him breathing
next to me, gentle enough,
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and his dad snoring like heavy
artillery from through the wall.
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Well, it was only for a few weeks.
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Now, when we got our flat, well...
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should have seen it - Mum's face.
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Helen and Jack had helped us out,
you see, so it was...
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You know?
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Michael got this young handyman he'd
met in the pub to come round and put
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up a big new mirror in our bedroom.
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He came round in the day when
Michael was at work.
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Nice-looking chap, he was.
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All strong in his rolled-up sleeves,
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and his shoulders when he lifted the
thing up!
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I had to stop myself saying
something.
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He wouldn't stay for a cup of tea
after - he had more calls to make.
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As he left, he stopped in the door
to bid me, "Good day, ma'am," and
said,
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would I thank my nice husband for
him?
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When he'd gone...
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..I stood looking in the mirror.
The room seemed twice the size.
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I took my clothes off.
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All of them. Don't know why.
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Curtains were open and everything.
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Dress and petticoat on the floor.
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Come on, Alice.
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Let's have a look at you.
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I can get fat, if I'm not careful.
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Fat on my hips and arms and on my
neck, and it doesn't look nice on
me,
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like with some women. Course,
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it was natural, with me not being on
my feet all day in the shop no more,
but...
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All I could think was...
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..well, I wouldn't fuck me.
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Well, it's easily solved, isn't it?
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You eat less.
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One night - this is five, six months
later -
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he comes home late, as ever,
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he's a few drinks inside him,
and he's got this new briefcase -
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proper shiny chestnut job with gold
fasteners.
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"A present," he says.
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"Did work give you that?"
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He says, "No. It was from a friend."
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"You've got nice friends," I said.
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"I have," he said, sort of proud
and sheepish at the same time.
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A few weeks later, it was cuff
links.
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He was pleased as punch with them
till he realised he didn't have any
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of the right sort of shirts with
holes in.
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When he came home the next night, I
was waiting for him.
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"Is it a woman bought you those
presents?"
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He shakes his head...
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..sits down on the arm of the
armchair,
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which his mum always told him off
for doing cos it puts the frame out
of shape.
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"It's not a woman," he says.
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He puts his head in his hands.
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"It's not women."
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I knew right away what he meant.
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It was like the room shifted...
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..like when they cut to a different
angle in a film scene
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or like how everything seems to
settle different after you step off
a carousel.
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So I go from feeling fat to feeling
bloody stupid.
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He looks more surprised than me that
he's said it.
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I tell him...
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"I can't be your wife, can I?"
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He looked surprised at that, too.
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Know what he said?
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"I'd miss you, Alice.
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"I'd miss you."
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Next week, Helen invites me to
lunch.
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Well, I can hardly say I'm busy.
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She gives me a hug right there in
the porch.
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She's more, um...
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Oh, what's the word?
Er...demonstrative than Mum is.
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And you go along with it but, this
time, it's verging on assault.
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She says, "We'll eat in the kitchen.
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"It's less formal."
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Well, it's also the only room in the
house that's properly warm,
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so it suits me well enough.
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On the table there's a bottle of
wine.
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"I know it's lunch, but I thought
we'd be naughty", she says.
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"It's a good one, apparently, so
don't tell my husband."
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Calm down, love! I wasn't thinking
to leave him a note.
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She's done us chops with cauliflower
cheese, which she knows I like.
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"How's the flat?" "Nice, thank you."
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Her napkin's fallen off her lap onto
the floor three times, so she gives
up
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on it, puts it on the table instead,
clenched in her hand.
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And then she comes out with it.
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"You're having trouble," she says.
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"Not me with the trouble," I say.
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"We know how Michael is," she says.
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"Oh."
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It sounds stupid,
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but it is really bothering me that
the woman has somehow got cheese
sauce on her wrist,
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and she hasn't noticed. And now I
can't mention it cos it's not quite
the moment.
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"It doesn't mean he can't be a good
husband to you," she says.
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"Better that than drink or gambling
or illness...or women."
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Thing is, and this is God's own
truth,
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I don't give a monkey's what he gets
up to elsewhere, but...
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Well, what I say to her is, "If it
was women,
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"at least he might show me some
interest, too."
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Bugger it! I'm close to crying, but
I don't.
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She reaches out her hand to me and,
before she can touch me,
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thank God she finally notices the
muck on her wrist.
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"He's very fond of you," she says.
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"And so are we." And then - this is
my mother-in-law - then she says,
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"If that's all that's missing, can't
you just pretend everything is
normal?
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"And if you have needs occasionally,
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"I'm sure, if you're careful, you
can go elsewhere."
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They'll look after me well, she
says.
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I'll have a good life. She says
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I won't have forgotten how his
brother's a policeman.
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And it would all be very difficult
for him if word got out,
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and how surely, after my own mishap,
I, of all people, know how important
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it is to appear respectable.
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I walk home - hour and a half, even
though the wind's up.
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I can't face the Tube.
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When Michael gets in - nearly
midnight, it is - he sees my face
and...
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..he looks like he's just watched
his own death.
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"I'm so sorry," he says.
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"It wasn't my idea."
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I just run at him...
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..hitting him in the chest over and
over and over until I crumple,
and...
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..and he holds me tight.
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"You got so bloody skinny," he says.
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He asks, will I let him make me tea
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and put me to bed and, in the
morning, I can think what I want to
do, and
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he will help me, whatever I decide?
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Well, I don't have anywhere else to
go - that I'd want to go.
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We don't say a word until I'm in
bed.
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I'm shattered.
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He gets in, too. I don't stop him.
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And then,
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in the dark and safe, with my back
to him, I say...
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"It was your brother I always
fancied."
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He snorts into my neck.
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"Yeah, you and half of London,"
he says.
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He puts an arm round me, his hand
warm and flat on my tummy,
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like he sometimes does.
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A minute later...
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..he's cupping my breast.
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Usually, he stays well clear, but...
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..no mistake.
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Feels electric.
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And he shuffles himself up close
behind me so...
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I can feel that he's hard.
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My heart's bloody pounding, so loud
I can hear it.
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I keep my eyes shut, even though
it's dark,
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and I can hear the clock ticking
from his side of the bed,
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slower than my heart's beating.
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Everything out of pace.
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But it's nice.
246
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His hand slides back down from my
breast to my stomach...
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..and further down...
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..till he finds me.
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And his mouth is hot on my neck.
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I don't respond to any of it...
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..until I do.
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So, now we were what you'd call
properly husband and wife.
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A month later...
254
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..the doctor tells me I'm to
start feeding myself properly...
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..and that I'm pregnant.
256
00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,480
That's Salim over there, just come
in - the Arab-looking one,
obviously.
257
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He's very charming.
258
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Not unflirtatious with me, either,
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considering he usually walks in here
with one man and leaves with
another.
260
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I'll say hello in a minute.
261
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He'll ask what I'm doing in here by
myself.
262
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He's very direct, you see, with his
being foreign.
263
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In here without Michael is what
he'll mean.
264
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Well, why not?
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It's as much my pub as his these
days, in a way,
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especially since Violet moved out
and that's...
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God, nearly ten years.
268
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Can you believe it?
269
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Violet - that's our daughter.
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When she was a couple of years old,
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I suggested to Michael he might
bring friends over more often,
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if he wanted.
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Friends or...
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You know.
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Better that than not seeing him.
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Better that than nights in without
him.
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He was shy about it at first.
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He'd always been very discreet.
279
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Couldn't fault him.
280
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But we soon had men about.
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Still do.
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They come over, one or more of them,
play cards, have a few drinks.
283
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He does very well for himself,
Michael.
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He didn't go to seed, like his
brother, see.
285
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Don't know how he finds them.
286
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Well, who cares?
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I should go. I only came into town
to buy theatre tickets for his
birthday.
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I know - fancy!
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Me and him and Tony -
he's Michael's current...
290
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friend. Been a few weeks now.
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Older than he usually goes for,
more settled, you know.
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Then Violet and her fella.
293
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Oh, and a couple we're friendly
with - George and Pierre.
294
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Pierre's not French - he's from
Carlisle.
295
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He said to me once, he said, "Alice,
296
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"me and George is just like any
other normal long-time couple.
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"We ain't had it off in years.
At least, not with each other!"
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Last Friday...
299
00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,920
..it was, in the afternoon, when I
found out it had become...
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How would you say it? An appropriate
subject for public discussion.
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Tony came round, Michael's Tony.
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He'd left his wallet at ours.
303
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Michael was at work. And Tony puts a
newspaper article into my hands that
he's cut out.
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"What do you make of this, Alice?
305
00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,440
"The report on homosexual offences."
306
00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,080
The headline's just three words -
Crime And Sin.
307
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,160
"Imagine that, Alice," he says.
308
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"Two men being allowed to do what
they like - legal.
309
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"No pretending."
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And he goes.
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But, you see, for Michael, it's not
like with George and Pierre.
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They CAN do what they like.
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George is an actor and Pierre cuts
ladies' hair.
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Michael's got a respectable job.
315
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It's been nice for him having a
wife, having a family.
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00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,000
Anyway, even if things were legal,
normal, even,
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he wouldn't want to go off and live
all happy couples with a man.
318
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Not at his age, not at our age.
319
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,200
It wouldn't make him happier, would
it?
320
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,960
He's got all he needs.
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00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,000
Always has.
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Hasn't he?
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00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,480
Well, this was Friday, like I say,
324
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so it's cinema night and we were
going to see The Bridge Over The
River Kwai.
325
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It was very good, actually,
it's our sort of film.
326
00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,520
We don't go for the romantic ones,
though there's usually a bit of
that, isn't there, for the ladies?
327
00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,000
And as we're knocking back a quick
supper...
328
00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:53,120
..I nearly ask him, what do you
think about this Wolfenden report
thing?
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00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:54,160
Not cos I'm...
330
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Not because I'm worried, just
interest.
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You know.
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But I don't say anything.
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00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,560
And we go to the pictures and he
holds my hand.
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As we're walking home, about
halfway,
335
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,320
without stopping or looking at me or
anything...
336
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,880
..he says, out of the blue...
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"I'd miss you, Alice."
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