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Is that all you got?
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I was hoping to trade these
for some coffee beans.
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You hungry?
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Yeah.
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Get some water.
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I'll make lunch.
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(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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(ALARM BLARING)
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You know what to do, son.
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Yes, sir.
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Remember...
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this is our land.
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It's kill or be killed.
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(ALARM CONTINUES BLARING)
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OFFICER (OVER BULLHORN):
Mr. Schwieger. State Police.
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I need you to step outside.
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- NORMAN: Now.
- (GUNSHOT)
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(GLASS BREAKING)
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(OFFICER SHOUTING OUTSIDE)
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(GUNSHOT, GUN COCKING)
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Kill or be killed.
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(GUNSHOT)
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So where are we going?
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What are we doing?
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And who is this wonder of
wonders I just have to meet?
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What did you call him?
A walking anachronism?
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Lucas Schwieger, 16.
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He never attended school.
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He lives a completely sheltered existence
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in a cabin with no
electricity or running water
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in the woods above Sullivan County.
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His father, whom he lived with,
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described himself as
a radical survivalist.
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He was, as far as I can tell,
the only person
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that Lucas had any sustained contact with
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during his 16 years of life.
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Wow.
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A caseworker with
Child Protective Services
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heard about him, grew concerned,
came to pay him a visit...
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escorted by the New York State Police.
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"Father and son opened fire,
killing the caseworker
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"and wounding the State Police officer,
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who fired back, killing the father."
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Ballistics indicate that while
Lucas shot the police officer,
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wounding him in the leg,
he didn't actually kill anyone.
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It was the father's gun that did that.
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Nonetheless, he's being charged
as an adult for murder
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as part of a joint venture.
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Does he even understand
what's going on? The charges?
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That they want him to stand trial?
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They want to punish him
for what happened?
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He didn't even understand
what an attorney was
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- until I explained it to him.
- (SIGHS)
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You know, it's not like
he's mentally impaired.
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In fact, in the little time
I've spent with him,
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he seems innately intelligent.
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But his only understanding of the world
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is what's been taught
to him by his father.
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Well, obviously, some doctor, somewhere,
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- deemed him fit to stand trial.
- (BUZZER BLARES)
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You should also know that Lucas did speak
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to the police on the record.
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He already admitted he shot the officer.
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Expressed clear intent.
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- Insisted he would do it again.
- (DOOR CLANKS OPEN)
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(DOOR CLOSING)
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(HANDCUFFS CLICKING)
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He's a friend.
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My name's Dr. Jason Bull.
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Dr. Statton wanted me to meet you.
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See if I could help you.
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Doctor, huh?
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I'm not sick.
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No. I'm not the doctor
that helps sick people.
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I'm the doctor that helps people
when they get into trouble,
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when they have to go to court.
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Do you know what court is?
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Did Dr. Statton explain
about court to you?
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Let me start over.
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First of all,
I'm sorry about your father.
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They had better guns.
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How about your mom?
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Do you ever see her?
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Is there any way I could talk to her?
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No.
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She hung herself.
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It was when I was a little kid.
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I'm sorry.
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Lucas...
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...do you understand you could spend
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the rest of your life in here, in jail?
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And I'm guessing you don't
want that. Am I right?
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I just want to go home.
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And that's what we want to try
and make happen.
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You all right with that?
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- I guess so.
- (LOCK BUZZES, CLICKS)
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All right.
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Let me get back to my office,
get this started.
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I'm sure I'm gonna want
to talk to you some more.
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In the meantime, is there
anything I can bring you?
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Anything you miss? Maybe some books?
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Well, if you think of anything.
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(DOOR CLOSES)
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MARISSA: This is Lucas Schwieger.
16 years old.
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Charged with murder in the death
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of a New York State
Children's Services caseworker.
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Yeah. We all got Bull's e-mail
about this kid.
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He can't read. Barely speaks.
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Lived with his dad off
the grid his whole life.
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Oh, and let's not forget
he confessed to the crime.
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DANNY: So I'll just say it.
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Can we even help this boy?
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We've got the surviving
police officer's testimony.
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Plus the confession.
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And this client doesn't seem like he's
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in a position to really help
his own defense.
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TAYLOR: And what kind of narrative?
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What kind of story can you tell a jury
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that makes it okay to ambush
a caseworker and a trooper?
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MARISSA: Bull wants to mount
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a defense based on persuasive coercion.
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Our position will be that,
because of Lucas's sheltered
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and isolated upbringing, he
didn't know what he was doing,
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other than following the instructions of,
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quite literally, the only person
in his life: his father.
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Norman Schwieger was delusional
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and paranoid and controlling.
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He was convinced
that humankind was on the verge
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of a cataclysmic end and thought
the only way to survive
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was to live a completely
self-sustaining life
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away from the scrutiny
of other human beings.
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And he forced his son
to live the same way...
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cloistered on their small plot of land,
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which they didn't even really own,
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which Norman rigged
with trip-wired alarms
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to warn them of any trespassers.
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Okay. I'll ask.
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What is persuasive coercion?
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Basically, Bull wants to argue
for all intents and purposes
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that Lucas's father exercised
a kind of mind control over him.
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Denied the boy a voice
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in any decision-making of any kind.
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His job was simply to do
what he was told.
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And as a result,
he had no experience choosing
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between right and wrong,
no experience choosing anything.
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The problem is,
it's an affirmative defense.
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Hi. Zero years of law school here.
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Though I did watch a lot
of Ally McBeal back in the '90s.
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So what does that mean?
"Affirmative defense"?
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MARISSA: That means that
going in, we admit
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to what the prosecution claims he did.
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And now it puts the burden on us
to present evidence
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that will negate his having done it.
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Basically, yes, he shot
at those people, but no,
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given the circumstances,
it wasn't his fault.
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And how do we make that argument?
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Is there anyone left to testify?
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With Lucas's father dead,
it leaves us without one witness
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who can tell the jury about the
crazy way that Lucas grew up.
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BENNY: And based on Bull's e-mails,
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it's highly unlikely that we'll be able
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to put Lucas himself on the stand.
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DANNY: Wait a second.
Someone saw something,
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because Child Protective Services
were sent to this house.
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I know those calls are confidential,
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but I'll start digging and see
if I can find out who did it.
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You know what the trick is gonna be?
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Trying to get a jury
to connect with this kid
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despite everything about his life
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being vastly different from their own.
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I can't wait to hear
what the big guy has to say.
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(GRUNTS)
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You ever seen one of these before?
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It's called a tie.
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It's what men wear when they
want to be taken seriously.
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It hurts. Hurts my neck.
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Well, every man who's ever
put one of these on
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has thought that, but still...
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people have been wearing them
for hundreds of years.
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Went to church once.
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Saw some there.
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So, today... today is all
about picking jurors,
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the people who decide whether
to punish you or not.
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Mr. Colón is gonna be
asking people questions.
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You don't have to do
anything; just sit there.
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Try not to react.
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And don't say a word
unless I tell you to.
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Remember, people are gonna
be looking at you. Okay?
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Trying to figure out who you are.
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They might make funny faces.
Don't make any back.
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You just sit there, try to smile.
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It's probably gonna take the whole day.
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Mr. Colón and I will do our best
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to get you out of there
as quickly as possible.
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♪
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(GAVEL RAPS TWICE)
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
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Let me ask you all a question.
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How many of you, especially
when you were teenagers,
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had a less than terrific
relationship with your parents?
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You, sir.
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You were at war with your folks a lot?
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Well, my old man was a taskmaster.
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Very old-school.
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And I was the kind of kid
who didn't really like rules.
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Got it.
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And all of you pretty much feel
the same way?
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That your parents didn't
necessarily know best?
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Your Honor, the defense
would like to thank
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and excuse jurors number three,
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eight, ten and 12.
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BULL: We need jurors who see Lucas
was a part of a cult of two.
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Brainwashed to hate like a sort
of Manchurian Candidate.
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And how do we do that?
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We look for people who can be
persuaded to follow a leader.
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They may not understand
the environment Lucas
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was raised in, but they can relate
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to his need to do as he's told.
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People who are risk averse
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and make middle-of-the-road decisions.
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So, tell me, sir,
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do you invest in the stock market?
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I do.
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Do you buy tech stocks,
high-risk investments,
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or are you more of a S&P 500
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kind of investor?
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I actually like to go with mutual funds.
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Let someone who knows what
they're doing decide for me.
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Play it safe. Get a steady return.
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Your Honor, the defense finds
this juror acceptable.
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And we have our jury.
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The court is in recess
until tomorrow morning.
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Nice job.
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You did everything we asked perfectly.
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We had a good day.
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Does that mean I can go home now?
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No. No.
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I'm sorry, this is...
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gonna take many days.
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Today was a good day
but not the only day.
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Are you going home?
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Yes.
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Is he going home now?
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Yes.
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But not me?
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Not yet.
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♪
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What are we gonna do
about this confession?
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Talk about taking advantage
of someone's limited capacity.
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That's why I hung around...
I wanted to get it
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- in front of both of you.
- It's pretty damning.
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I get the feeling, if they had asked him
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where Hoffa's body was buried,
he would have told them.
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How about I file a motion
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to get the confession thrown out
first thing in the morning?
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That's how you get to be Benjamin Colón.
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Does that mean we're done for the day?
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I know I am.
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(TV PLAYING INDISTINCTLY)
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Are you happy?
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I'm sorry?
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Are you happy?
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I am lying here naked
next to my naked husband,
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watching do-it-yourself bathroom
projects at 8:30 at night.
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I'm euphoric.
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Why?
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(CLICKS OFF TV)
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I don't know, uh...
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the mail was piling up,
and I finally got around
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to going through it,
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and there was a thing
from a fertility clinic.
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A bill.
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They wanted to know if they
should keep your eggs frozen
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or just... throw 'em away.
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I didn't even know that
you had frozen some eggs.
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I didn't even know that you...
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wanted kids.
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I mean...
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I seem to recall
when we first got married
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that we sort of figured out that...
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we didn't... want them.
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God.
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I so didn't see this conversation coming.
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I love what we have.
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I love our life just the way it is.
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But we're paying to keep your eggs
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in some stranger's Deepfreeze.
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(SIGHS): I know.
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How can I explain this to you?
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After our divorce...
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friends with kids kept telling me
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that something's gonna happen,
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that I'd suddenly want them, too.
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That some switch would flip
and it would be too late,
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and this was something
I needed to plan for.
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And you're right,
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I never had that thing,
that... kid thing,
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but I thought: "Don't be stupid.
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You don't know how you're
gonna feel in five years."
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So I did it. I...
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just... did it.
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I guess...
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deep down...
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I wanted to have the option.
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So did it happen?
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Did your... switch flip?
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I really don't know.
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How would you feel if it did?
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I really don't know, either.
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I think...
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I need to give it some
thought before I answer.
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Okay.
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I think I do, too.
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Okay.
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(TV CLICKS ON)
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(PROGRAM CONTINUES INDISTINCTLY)
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♪
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So, this morning is just
gonna be about Mr. Colón
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trying to convince the court to ignore
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what you told the police
when they arrested you.
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The jury's not even gonna be there.
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Did I say something bad?
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Well, you said you did it,
and you said you'd do it again.
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Should I say something different?
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BULL: No. Just...
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do what you did yesterday:
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Don't speak unless Mr. Colón asks you to.
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Just sit.
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We'll do the rest.
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BENNY: Your Honor, the
defense would like to file
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a motion to suppress
Lucas Schwieger's statements
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to the police at the time of his arrest.
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It's gonna be fine.
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JOSHI: Your Honor, there are simply
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no grounds for this.
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The defendant made
a knowing and voluntary
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and intelligent waiver.
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"A knowing and voluntary
and intelligent waiver."
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Your Honor, prior to my client's arrest,
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he had never even seen a state trooper
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or a courtroom or, for
that matter, an attorney.
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He didn't even know what an attorney was,
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didn't know he had rights under the law.
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He didn't know anything.
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Nothing but what his father told him,
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and his father,
who suffered from delusions
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and paranoia and a host
of other mental illnesses,
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basically told him
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that anyone who was not
one of the two of them
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was bad and needed to die.
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00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:47,797
He never said that! He-he just... he said
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it was our land,
and we had to kill or be killed!
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00:16:50,023 --> 00:16:51,812
- Lucas.
- My dad taught me how to carve.
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He taught me how to fish.
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00:16:52,885 --> 00:16:54,671
- Lucas.
- He-he taught me how to shoot.
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00:16:54,695 --> 00:16:55,971
Counselor, control your client.
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They came on our land. It
was kill or be killed!
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Lucas.
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(CLEARS THROAT)
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00:17:00,741 --> 00:17:02,630
My apologies, Your Honor.
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As you can clearly see...
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00:17:06,048 --> 00:17:07,526
my client is a victim
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of a cruel and sadistic upbringing,
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one that kept the world
away at all costs.
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He simply doesn't know any better.
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He couldn't possibly have been expected
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to understand his rights
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or the consequences of speaking
without an attorney present.
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LUCAS: No, no, no, no, no!
They killed him!
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- (GAVEL BANGING)
- They came on our land,
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and they killed him!
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- Lucas, stop.
- We shot at them,
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- but they came on our land!
- JUDGE: Mr. Schwieger,
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- I need you to stay in your seat
- (LUCAS CONTINUES TALKING)
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- and to refrain from speaking.
- I didn't do nothing wrong!
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00:17:31,616 --> 00:17:34,286
Officer, return Mr. Schwieger
to holding, please,
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immediately.
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00:17:37,540 --> 00:17:39,625
It's okay. You need to go with him.
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It's gonna be all right.
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00:17:42,712 --> 00:17:44,129
Let's go.
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00:17:44,153 --> 00:17:45,587
(SIGHS)
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(HANDCUFFS CLICKING)
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This is one of those moments
in a judge's life.
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(DOOR OPENS)
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(DOOR CLOSES)
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00:18:00,836 --> 00:18:03,682
So... let's talk law.
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00:18:04,191 --> 00:18:07,619
I certainly see the validity
of your argument, Mr. Colón.
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"Knowing and voluntary and intelligent"
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00:18:09,211 --> 00:18:11,089
hardly describes what went on here.
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Your motion to suppress
Mr. Schwieger's statement
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to the police from evidence is granted.
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00:18:16,518 --> 00:18:18,430
However...
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I'm not sure the omission
of the statement
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will matter much to the jury
if you can't rein in
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your client's behavior.
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00:18:26,028 --> 00:18:27,606
Yes, Your Honor.
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Thank you, Your Honor.
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BENNY: What did we get
ourselves into here?
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He couldn't even keep it together
401
00:18:36,438 --> 00:18:38,550
- for a ten-minute motion hearing.
- (PHONE VIBRATING)
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00:18:38,574 --> 00:18:40,485
How is he supposed to make it
403
00:18:40,509 --> 00:18:42,577
through eight hours a day of court?
404
00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,858
May I ask who's calling?
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00:18:47,275 --> 00:18:49,043
This is he.
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00:18:50,479 --> 00:18:52,012
I see.
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00:18:53,322 --> 00:18:54,866
I see.
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00:18:54,890 --> 00:18:57,002
No, I'll be right over.
409
00:18:57,026 --> 00:18:58,788
I very much appreciate the call.
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00:18:59,673 --> 00:19:01,274
Everything all right?
411
00:19:03,032 --> 00:19:05,043
Lucas is in the hospital.
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00:19:05,067 --> 00:19:07,448
After he returned from court today,
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he tried to hang himself.
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00:19:09,071 --> 00:19:12,006
(TAKES DEEP BREATH)
415
00:19:20,625 --> 00:19:22,603
Sorry I'm late.
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00:19:22,627 --> 00:19:24,605
What kind of shape is he in?
417
00:19:24,629 --> 00:19:26,841
Well, at the moment,
he's heavily sedated.
418
00:19:26,865 --> 00:19:28,843
One of the other inmates
heard him choking
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00:19:28,867 --> 00:19:30,411
and called out to the guards.
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00:19:30,435 --> 00:19:33,381
They cut him down and resuscitated him.
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00:19:33,405 --> 00:19:36,273
The good news is he's going to be fine.
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00:19:37,868 --> 00:19:40,021
So, anybody venturing a guess
about when he'll be awake,
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00:19:40,045 --> 00:19:41,856
when I can get him back in court?
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00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,991
They're guessing his
sedation wouldn't wear off
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00:19:44,015 --> 00:19:45,526
until midday tomorrow.
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00:19:45,550 --> 00:19:46,527
Oh.
427
00:19:46,551 --> 00:19:47,595
So...
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00:19:47,619 --> 00:19:48,763
what now?
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00:19:48,787 --> 00:19:50,832
Now we roar into the courtroom
tomorrow morning
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00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:52,333
before the prosecution is any wiser,
431
00:19:52,357 --> 00:19:54,735
and Benny files a motion
to try and keep all this
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00:19:54,759 --> 00:19:56,204
from being introduced into the record.
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00:19:56,228 --> 00:19:58,848
Why? I mean, I'm no lawyer,
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00:19:58,872 --> 00:20:00,541
but if I'm on the jury,
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00:20:00,565 --> 00:20:02,109
doesn't the idea that he
436
00:20:02,133 --> 00:20:05,446
almost tried to kill himself
make Lucas look...
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00:20:05,470 --> 00:20:06,948
sympathetic?
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00:20:06,972 --> 00:20:08,583
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
439
00:20:08,607 --> 00:20:10,852
But that's not how
the other side will spin it.
440
00:20:10,876 --> 00:20:12,353
They will claim it is proof
441
00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:14,522
Lucas felt guilty about what he did,
442
00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:17,058
that he knows he did something
he shouldn't have,
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00:20:17,082 --> 00:20:19,627
and since we're telling the jury
the exact opposite...
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00:20:19,651 --> 00:20:21,262
that he didn't know the difference
445
00:20:21,286 --> 00:20:22,730
between right and wrong...
446
00:20:22,754 --> 00:20:24,365
the trial would effectively be over
447
00:20:24,389 --> 00:20:26,757
before we ever called a witness.
448
00:20:27,926 --> 00:20:29,558
BENNY: That the suicide attempt is
449
00:20:29,582 --> 00:20:32,073
somehow connected to
this caseworker's death
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00:20:32,097 --> 00:20:33,741
is pure speculation.
451
00:20:33,765 --> 00:20:36,010
I mean, look at everything this
young man has been through.
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00:20:36,034 --> 00:20:37,245
He watched
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00:20:37,269 --> 00:20:39,947
as his father was shot to death
right in front of him.
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00:20:39,971 --> 00:20:41,115
He's been pulled away
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00:20:41,139 --> 00:20:43,017
from the only home he's ever known.
456
00:20:43,041 --> 00:20:45,753
He's spent this last week
either in a-a courtroom
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00:20:45,777 --> 00:20:47,321
or a jail cell.
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00:20:47,345 --> 00:20:49,523
If we are going to hypothesize,
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00:20:49,547 --> 00:20:50,992
shouldn't we say
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that maybe depression is the
cause of... of this behavior?
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00:20:54,570 --> 00:20:55,863
Your Honor,
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Dr. Jason Bull.
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00:20:57,530 --> 00:20:59,800
I'm part of the defense team
and a doctor of psychology.
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00:20:59,824 --> 00:21:01,249
I know who you are, Dr. Bull.
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00:21:01,273 --> 00:21:03,704
Well, in my professional opinion,
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00:21:03,728 --> 00:21:05,673
it's likely that this child
tried to kill himself
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00:21:05,697 --> 00:21:09,277
because the only man he knew,
the only man he trusted,
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00:21:09,301 --> 00:21:11,545
his father, was being referred to
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00:21:11,569 --> 00:21:14,882
as the person most responsible
for his own death
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00:21:14,906 --> 00:21:16,554
and his son's incarceration.
471
00:21:16,578 --> 00:21:19,687
Now, this man was the boy's God.
His North Star.
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00:21:19,711 --> 00:21:22,757
Everything he knew about life
he learned from this man,
473
00:21:22,781 --> 00:21:25,493
and to hear that he could be
so profoundly wrong
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00:21:25,517 --> 00:21:27,495
had to be cataclysmic for him
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00:21:27,853 --> 00:21:30,831
and was surely reason enough
for him to consider
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00:21:30,855 --> 00:21:32,858
taking his own life.
477
00:21:35,399 --> 00:21:38,045
I'm not sure what I believe
the boy was thinking.
478
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:40,982
Respectfully,
that's for the jury to decide.
479
00:21:41,099 --> 00:21:43,077
And they won't get to
decide if we withhold
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the defendant's suicide
attempt from them.
481
00:21:45,224 --> 00:21:46,497
(SIGHS)
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00:21:47,672 --> 00:21:49,650
I agree with the defense,
483
00:21:49,674 --> 00:21:52,486
and I find the prejudicial impact
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00:21:52,510 --> 00:21:55,489
outweighs the probative value.
485
00:21:55,513 --> 00:21:58,659
The attempted suicide will not
be allowed into evidence.
486
00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:00,561
When will the defendant
487
00:22:00,585 --> 00:22:02,396
be available
so that the trial can resume?
488
00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:04,565
We will get you the answer
to that question
489
00:22:04,589 --> 00:22:06,490
as soon as possible, Your Honor.
490
00:22:08,193 --> 00:22:09,704
WOMAN: I am so sorry.
491
00:22:09,728 --> 00:22:12,440
It's amazing what he can
do in a split second.
492
00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:13,774
It's fine.
493
00:22:13,798 --> 00:22:15,265
BOY: Here, Mommy.
494
00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:20,081
How old is he?
495
00:22:20,105 --> 00:22:21,415
22 months.
496
00:22:21,439 --> 00:22:23,351
(CHUCKLES) Uh, almost two.
497
00:22:23,375 --> 00:22:25,453
Two years since I've had
a full night's sleep.
498
00:22:25,477 --> 00:22:26,787
Two years since I've read a book.
499
00:22:26,811 --> 00:22:28,122
Two years since I've been to the gym.
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00:22:28,146 --> 00:22:29,446
You have kids?
501
00:22:30,782 --> 00:22:32,059
Yeah, I can tell.
502
00:22:32,083 --> 00:22:33,517
You lack frazzle.
503
00:22:35,420 --> 00:22:37,054
Bye.
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00:22:41,260 --> 00:22:42,870
DANNY: Well, turns out
the nearest neighbors
505
00:22:42,894 --> 00:22:44,939
are almost a quarter mile away.
506
00:22:44,963 --> 00:22:46,273
They seemed to know that
there was a teenager
507
00:22:46,297 --> 00:22:47,641
and an old man living near them,
508
00:22:47,665 --> 00:22:49,643
but they said that they'd
sometimes hear gunfire,
509
00:22:49,667 --> 00:22:50,978
so they kept their distance.
510
00:22:51,437 --> 00:22:53,689
BULL: Maybe there's
someone from their past.
511
00:22:54,539 --> 00:22:56,884
He told me his mother
hung herself when he was little.
512
00:22:56,908 --> 00:22:58,919
I'll bet that's where he got the idea.
513
00:22:58,943 --> 00:23:00,721
- How horrible.
- BULL: Maybe there's someone
514
00:23:00,745 --> 00:23:02,823
who knew her, who was friends
with her before she...
515
00:23:02,847 --> 00:23:04,592
BENNY: That would be great.
516
00:23:04,616 --> 00:23:07,194
Someone we could get to testify
517
00:23:07,218 --> 00:23:09,597
to how Lucas had a
normal life at one time
518
00:23:09,621 --> 00:23:12,256
and a completely isolated
one once the mother passed.
519
00:23:13,358 --> 00:23:15,136
I know it drives the kid crazy,
520
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,604
but we have to keep hammering away
521
00:23:16,628 --> 00:23:18,072
at what a lunatic the father was.
522
00:23:18,096 --> 00:23:20,741
What about the person who called
Child Protective Services?
523
00:23:20,765 --> 00:23:22,076
There's a reason why
524
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:23,327
these folks went out to take a look.
525
00:23:23,351 --> 00:23:25,298
Someone had to have
called in a complaint.
526
00:23:25,322 --> 00:23:27,648
Yep. A woman named Yvonne Fowler.
527
00:23:27,672 --> 00:23:28,983
She won't take my calls,
528
00:23:29,007 --> 00:23:30,618
and she doesn't answer the door
when I visit her house,
529
00:23:30,642 --> 00:23:32,524
but I haven't given up.
530
00:23:32,548 --> 00:23:34,388
Well, I'm about to. I'm exhausted.
531
00:23:34,412 --> 00:23:36,457
Court's back in session
first thing in the morning.
532
00:23:36,481 --> 00:23:38,148
You don't have to tell me twice.
533
00:23:40,218 --> 00:23:41,852
(COMPUTER BEEPING)
534
00:23:43,454 --> 00:23:46,433
TAYLOR: My son is obsessed
with sending me poop emojis.
535
00:23:46,658 --> 00:23:48,213
I wonder if it means something.
536
00:23:48,237 --> 00:23:50,337
You are always on duty, aren't you?
537
00:23:50,663 --> 00:23:52,106
On duty?
538
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:54,064
That's a joke, right?
539
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,778
Hey, let me ask you something.
540
00:23:57,802 --> 00:23:59,880
How'd you know you wanted to have kids?
541
00:24:00,297 --> 00:24:01,715
Was it something...
542
00:24:02,091 --> 00:24:03,651
you just felt in your soul,
543
00:24:03,675 --> 00:24:06,353
or did you just sense
it was the right time?
544
00:24:06,377 --> 00:24:08,989
Neither. It was more like
a three-martini night,
545
00:24:09,013 --> 00:24:10,691
and nine months later we needed a crib.
546
00:24:10,715 --> 00:24:12,626
- (CHUCKLES SOFTLY)
- I mean,
547
00:24:12,650 --> 00:24:13,961
it wasn't planned,
548
00:24:13,985 --> 00:24:16,730
but wouldn't trade it for anything.
549
00:24:17,006 --> 00:24:18,540
You getting an itch?
550
00:24:19,608 --> 00:24:21,469
Not even a tickle.
551
00:24:21,493 --> 00:24:22,861
Greg?
552
00:24:23,528 --> 00:24:25,506
He wants what I want.
553
00:24:25,530 --> 00:24:27,208
At least, that's what he says.
554
00:24:27,533 --> 00:24:29,343
And you don't know what you want.
555
00:24:29,702 --> 00:24:31,345
No.
556
00:24:31,787 --> 00:24:33,180
I envy you.
557
00:24:33,204 --> 00:24:34,748
(CHUCKLES): Really? Why?
558
00:24:34,772 --> 00:24:37,184
It feels terrible from in here.
559
00:24:37,208 --> 00:24:40,421
Because no matter what happens,
no matter what you do,
560
00:24:40,445 --> 00:24:42,546
it's gonna be wonderful.
561
00:24:44,616 --> 00:24:46,093
You're either gonna get what you want,
562
00:24:46,117 --> 00:24:48,318
or you're gonna... get what you want.
563
00:24:50,681 --> 00:24:52,333
(ELEVATOR BELL CHIMES)
564
00:24:52,357 --> 00:24:55,903
The people would like to call
Yvonne Fowler to the stand.
565
00:24:55,927 --> 00:24:57,338
MARISSA: Yvonne Fowler?
566
00:24:57,362 --> 00:24:59,474
Isn't she the one Danny said
called in the complaint
567
00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:00,745
to Child Services?
568
00:25:00,769 --> 00:25:03,193
Looks like she took
the prosecution's call.
569
00:25:05,770 --> 00:25:07,181
(WHISPERS): I know her.
570
00:25:07,205 --> 00:25:08,616
JOSHI: Ms. Fowler,
571
00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:11,352
could you please tell the
court how you came to meet
572
00:25:11,376 --> 00:25:13,053
Lucas Schwieger?
573
00:25:13,662 --> 00:25:16,390
I'm a nurse at St. Benjamin's Hospital,
574
00:25:16,414 --> 00:25:19,927
which is about five miles from
where Norman and Lucas lived.
575
00:25:19,951 --> 00:25:22,363
A few months ago, Norman showed up
576
00:25:22,387 --> 00:25:24,532
in the middle of the night
at the hospital with Lucas.
577
00:25:24,556 --> 00:25:27,350
Norman had walking pneumonia.
578
00:25:27,374 --> 00:25:29,537
Once we got Norman checked in,
579
00:25:29,561 --> 00:25:32,106
I realized Lucas had nowhere to go.
580
00:25:32,130 --> 00:25:34,575
So I brought him home with me,
581
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:37,370
thinking it would just be
for a day or so.
582
00:25:37,394 --> 00:25:40,814
But one day turned into two,
two turned into a week,
583
00:25:40,838 --> 00:25:44,575
and Lucas ended up staying
with us for three weeks.
584
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:46,040
And when you say "us"?
585
00:25:46,064 --> 00:25:48,122
Oh. My husband and two children.
586
00:25:48,146 --> 00:25:50,457
Boys. Seven and nine.
587
00:25:50,481 --> 00:25:52,342
So, when the defense claims Mr. Schwieger
588
00:25:52,366 --> 00:25:55,198
spent his whole life in isolation,
589
00:25:55,222 --> 00:25:57,231
that simply isn't true, is it?
590
00:25:57,255 --> 00:25:59,166
I don't know anything
about his whole life.
591
00:25:59,190 --> 00:26:00,901
Well, but you can categorically state
592
00:26:00,925 --> 00:26:02,236
that he lived with you?
593
00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:04,772
Had running water, home-cooked meals,
594
00:26:04,796 --> 00:26:07,841
slept in a warm bed for a period
595
00:26:07,865 --> 00:26:09,468
of three weeks?
596
00:26:10,335 --> 00:26:11,400
Yes, he did.
597
00:26:11,424 --> 00:26:13,414
Now, you're very active in your church,
598
00:26:13,438 --> 00:26:14,815
aren't you, Ms. Fowler?
599
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:16,250
Our whole family is.
600
00:26:16,274 --> 00:26:17,985
I teach Sunday school.
601
00:26:18,602 --> 00:26:21,288
During the three weeks
Lucas lived with you,
602
00:26:21,312 --> 00:26:22,790
did you ever take him to church?
603
00:26:22,814 --> 00:26:24,124
Every Sunday.
604
00:26:24,148 --> 00:26:27,127
He said he'd never stepped
inside a church before,
605
00:26:27,151 --> 00:26:29,763
and he seemed to like it.
606
00:26:30,197 --> 00:26:33,100
The singing,
the shaking hands, the sermon.
607
00:26:33,124 --> 00:26:35,002
My boys showed him how
608
00:26:35,026 --> 00:26:36,745
to put money in the plate.
609
00:26:37,223 --> 00:26:39,006
Hard to know if this is good or bad
610
00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:40,307
for our side.
611
00:26:40,331 --> 00:26:42,409
Anything that suggests
Lucas knew right from wrong
612
00:26:42,433 --> 00:26:44,044
- is not a help.
- JOSHI: So, I'm curious.
613
00:26:44,068 --> 00:26:46,414
Did you ever take Mr. Schwieger
with you to Sunday school?
614
00:26:46,438 --> 00:26:47,948
Yes, I did once.
615
00:26:47,972 --> 00:26:49,116
Could you tell the court what lessons
616
00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:50,551
were being taught that Sunday?
617
00:26:50,575 --> 00:26:53,087
We talked about the Ten Commandments.
618
00:26:53,111 --> 00:26:55,656
And that particular week
was the fifth commandment:
619
00:26:56,348 --> 00:26:58,225
thou shalt not kill.
620
00:26:58,249 --> 00:27:00,117
(GALLERY MURMURING)
621
00:27:01,252 --> 00:27:02,529
BULL: Jury's slipping away.
622
00:27:02,553 --> 00:27:04,164
They're starting to sense
623
00:27:04,188 --> 00:27:05,633
that he's seen enough of the world
624
00:27:05,657 --> 00:27:07,301
to know the difference
between right and wrong.
625
00:27:07,325 --> 00:27:08,502
You don't just shoot people
626
00:27:08,526 --> 00:27:10,237
when they show up in front of your house.
627
00:27:10,261 --> 00:27:11,995
So, how'd it go in there?
628
00:27:13,097 --> 00:27:14,465
We've had better days.
629
00:27:14,489 --> 00:27:16,410
You still interested in making
the father the villain?
630
00:27:16,434 --> 00:27:19,647
I'm not sure it much matters
to the jury at this point.
631
00:27:19,671 --> 00:27:21,582
Maybe that's because they haven't
heard the really bad stuff.
632
00:27:21,606 --> 00:27:22,996
Really bad stuff? Like what?
633
00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:25,619
Like, how about
telling a child his whole life
634
00:27:25,643 --> 00:27:28,945
that his mother is dead
when she's actually alive.
635
00:27:34,111 --> 00:27:35,693
WOMAN: You good if I smoke?
636
00:27:35,718 --> 00:27:36,805
(MATCH LIGHTS)
637
00:27:40,891 --> 00:27:42,025
Anybody thirsty?
638
00:27:42,025 --> 00:27:44,437
We're fine. We just wanted
to ask you a few questions
639
00:27:44,461 --> 00:27:47,440
about your ex-husband, Norman,
and your son, Lucas.
640
00:27:47,464 --> 00:27:50,166
Oh, well, I mean,
I'll tell you everything I know.
641
00:27:51,268 --> 00:27:53,513
Did you know that Norman died?
642
00:27:53,537 --> 00:27:55,532
Shot by a state trooper.
643
00:27:56,199 --> 00:27:59,285
And that your son, Lucas,
is on trial for murder?
644
00:27:59,745 --> 00:28:00,854
(SNORTS)
645
00:28:00,878 --> 00:28:02,856
No, I didn't know that.
646
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,991
You aware that your son
thinks you're dead?
647
00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:07,026
Well, I'm not surprised.
648
00:28:07,050 --> 00:28:08,695
You ever meet his father?
649
00:28:08,719 --> 00:28:09,863
Never had the pleasure.
650
00:28:09,887 --> 00:28:11,256
What can you tell me about him?
651
00:28:12,156 --> 00:28:14,200
Uh, he's crazy.
652
00:28:14,551 --> 00:28:15,769
I just finally said,
653
00:28:15,793 --> 00:28:18,271
"I'm gonna take Lucas and leave."
654
00:28:18,295 --> 00:28:20,039
And how'd Norman feel about that?
655
00:28:20,063 --> 00:28:22,142
Oh, that night I woke up
656
00:28:22,166 --> 00:28:24,244
and find Norman on top of me
with a pistol in my mouth.
657
00:28:24,268 --> 00:28:26,279
And he said if I ever tried
to take the boy,
658
00:28:26,303 --> 00:28:28,204
he was gonna kill both of us.
659
00:28:29,306 --> 00:28:30,683
How old was Lucas?
660
00:28:31,026 --> 00:28:32,903
He'd just turned three.
661
00:28:33,779 --> 00:28:36,790
So, that night,
the second he fell asleep,
662
00:28:37,282 --> 00:28:38,452
I was out the window.
663
00:28:38,476 --> 00:28:40,850
I didn't even kiss my baby good-bye.
664
00:28:42,746 --> 00:28:44,397
I know it's been a long time,
665
00:28:44,421 --> 00:28:46,065
but we need your son's jury to hear
666
00:28:46,089 --> 00:28:48,067
what it was like to live with that man,
667
00:28:48,091 --> 00:28:51,204
to hear the story you just told us.
668
00:28:51,588 --> 00:28:53,006
Yeah, I don't think so.
669
00:28:53,030 --> 00:28:54,730
I got a really busy schedule.
670
00:28:55,833 --> 00:28:57,977
You have a drug problem, Mrs. Schwieger?
671
00:28:58,001 --> 00:28:59,679
It's not a problem for me.
672
00:28:59,703 --> 00:29:01,181
Okay, I'm gonna step outside.
673
00:29:01,205 --> 00:29:02,715
She's gonna stay in here with you.
674
00:29:02,739 --> 00:29:04,651
I want you to put on
the closest thing you have
675
00:29:04,675 --> 00:29:05,785
to a decent dress,
676
00:29:05,809 --> 00:29:07,520
and then we are going to the courthouse.
677
00:29:07,544 --> 00:29:09,689
And don't try going out the window.
678
00:29:09,713 --> 00:29:11,647
She's ex-FBI.
679
00:29:15,737 --> 00:29:17,030
She could be anybody.
680
00:29:17,054 --> 00:29:18,498
But she isn't.
681
00:29:18,522 --> 00:29:20,342
- Can I smoke?
- No.
682
00:29:22,995 --> 00:29:24,571
She's gonna tell the jury
683
00:29:24,595 --> 00:29:26,606
what life was like with
your father before she left.
684
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:27,874
And you're not gonna like hearing it,
685
00:29:27,898 --> 00:29:30,343
but I need you to promise
that you will not react.
686
00:29:30,367 --> 00:29:32,846
No noises. No faces.
687
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:35,805
No standing. No talking.
688
00:29:37,741 --> 00:29:39,642
Don't worry, I won't do nothing.
689
00:29:43,181 --> 00:29:44,691
I don't even know her.
690
00:29:45,851 --> 00:29:48,428
BRENDA: He knocked me
around all the time.
691
00:29:48,452 --> 00:29:50,096
Wouldn't let us go out.
692
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,454
He didn't trust anyone.
693
00:29:51,478 --> 00:29:54,400
Objection, Your Honor.
What does any of this have to do
694
00:29:54,424 --> 00:29:56,402
with whether or not Lucas
Schwieger shot a police officer?
695
00:29:56,426 --> 00:29:58,538
BENNY: If it pleases the court,
696
00:29:58,562 --> 00:30:00,640
in order to understand what happened
697
00:30:00,664 --> 00:30:02,775
the day of the shooting,
we have to understand
698
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,044
what kind of environment Lucas came from.
699
00:30:05,454 --> 00:30:06,946
Overruled.
700
00:30:06,970 --> 00:30:08,715
BENNY: Now, you were saying...
701
00:30:08,739 --> 00:30:10,950
He just got stranger and stranger.
702
00:30:10,974 --> 00:30:14,420
He-he stopped letting me
leave the cabin at all.
703
00:30:14,444 --> 00:30:17,090
He... he rigged up alarms
704
00:30:17,114 --> 00:30:18,892
so that he would know
if somebody came and went.
705
00:30:18,916 --> 00:30:20,593
He said that the government
706
00:30:20,617 --> 00:30:21,995
was watching him from satellites.
707
00:30:22,345 --> 00:30:23,501
From space?
708
00:30:23,525 --> 00:30:27,300
Yeah. Sometimes at night he'd go outside,
709
00:30:27,324 --> 00:30:29,135
and-and he'd scream at them.
710
00:30:29,159 --> 00:30:30,570
He'd shoot his guns up in the air.
711
00:30:30,594 --> 00:30:32,438
I mean, I was scared all the time.
712
00:30:32,462 --> 00:30:33,940
It was no way to live.
713
00:30:33,964 --> 00:30:37,143
And it probably wasn't any
better for Lucas, either.
714
00:30:37,167 --> 00:30:39,512
Thank you. No further questions,
Your Honor.
715
00:30:39,536 --> 00:30:41,481
MARISSA: Well, that made an impact.
716
00:30:41,505 --> 00:30:43,616
No reds have flipped green, but I can see
717
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,985
that their attitudes
about Lucas are in flux.
718
00:30:46,009 --> 00:30:49,278
For the first time,
they're sympathizing with him.
719
00:30:50,707 --> 00:30:53,386
Let's take a moment
and talk about your past.
720
00:30:53,684 --> 00:30:55,929
Are you the same Brenda Schwieger
721
00:30:55,953 --> 00:30:58,264
who was convicted of forging checks?
722
00:30:58,757 --> 00:31:01,467
Sentenced to court-appointed rehab twice?
723
00:31:01,885 --> 00:31:04,137
Hasn't had a full-time
job in almost 20 years?
724
00:31:04,161 --> 00:31:05,872
And you expect this jury
725
00:31:05,896 --> 00:31:07,206
to believe anything you have to say?
726
00:31:07,230 --> 00:31:08,575
You got me.
727
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,143
I don't even want to be here.
728
00:31:10,602 --> 00:31:12,478
I just was told that I had to.
729
00:31:12,502 --> 00:31:14,213
But I'll tell you this.
730
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:17,016
My husband ruined me.
731
00:31:17,901 --> 00:31:20,553
I used to be a human being.
732
00:31:20,577 --> 00:31:23,623
So whatever kind of person
Lucas has become,
733
00:31:23,647 --> 00:31:27,126
trust me, it's because
his father got him there.
734
00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:29,495
If my little baby has become a killer,
735
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:31,954
it's because his father
turned him into one.
736
00:31:40,715 --> 00:31:42,075
BENNY: She was good.
737
00:31:42,634 --> 00:31:43,977
You think it was enough?
738
00:31:44,001 --> 00:31:45,136
No.
739
00:31:46,069 --> 00:31:47,580
But I have an idea.
740
00:31:48,139 --> 00:31:49,582
DANNY: So these are of
741
00:31:49,606 --> 00:31:51,008
the inside of the cabin.
742
00:31:51,032 --> 00:31:52,885
As you can see, it's pretty spartan.
743
00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:54,053
BULL: You can use these to show
744
00:31:54,077 --> 00:31:56,255
the jury how little stimulation
was available.
745
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:59,225
No books, no radio, no TV.
746
00:31:59,609 --> 00:32:01,861
Obviously, no computers.
747
00:32:01,885 --> 00:32:04,564
And most importantly,
no outlets for learning.
748
00:32:05,824 --> 00:32:07,767
All right, so these are
the air horns and the trip wires
749
00:32:07,791 --> 00:32:09,502
Norman installed around the property
750
00:32:09,526 --> 00:32:10,937
to ward against intruders.
751
00:32:10,961 --> 00:32:12,105
BENNY: Got it.
752
00:32:12,129 --> 00:32:14,007
Helps demonstrate the paranoia.
753
00:32:14,031 --> 00:32:15,872
Fear of outsiders, the isolation.
754
00:32:15,896 --> 00:32:17,312
Ready for the next series?
755
00:32:17,336 --> 00:32:18,962
Fire when ready.
756
00:32:23,842 --> 00:32:25,418
What are we looking at here?
757
00:32:25,719 --> 00:32:27,420
DANNY: It's a homemade target range.
758
00:32:27,444 --> 00:32:29,602
Metal head and torso silhouettes.
759
00:32:29,626 --> 00:32:31,991
By the way,
the police dusted all of this.
760
00:32:32,015 --> 00:32:33,726
The guns, the targets.
761
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:36,462
Lucas's fingerprints were everywhere.
762
00:32:36,486 --> 00:32:38,564
His father's? Norman's?
763
00:32:38,588 --> 00:32:40,275
Not so much.
764
00:32:41,892 --> 00:32:43,361
Wow.
765
00:32:43,727 --> 00:32:45,104
All those bull's-eyes.
766
00:32:45,822 --> 00:32:47,407
One on top of the other. Looks like
767
00:32:47,431 --> 00:32:48,808
Lucas was quite the shot.
768
00:32:48,832 --> 00:32:51,313
How far away would you say
the targets were
769
00:32:51,337 --> 00:32:53,246
from the stand where Lucas
would have been shooting from?
770
00:32:53,270 --> 00:32:55,415
- Had to be at least 50 yards.
- BENNY: I'm not sure
771
00:32:55,439 --> 00:32:58,317
we really want the jury looking
at this target range.
772
00:32:58,341 --> 00:33:00,184
I mean, it's kind of horrific.
773
00:33:00,208 --> 00:33:02,789
Kind of like looking
at a murderer's training ground.
774
00:33:02,813 --> 00:33:05,058
Actually, I disagree.
775
00:33:05,082 --> 00:33:07,593
I think this is exactly
what the jury needs to see.
776
00:33:07,617 --> 00:33:10,263
Okay. Well, how are we
gonna get all this in?
777
00:33:10,287 --> 00:33:11,464
Who's on the stand?
778
00:33:11,488 --> 00:33:13,332
Can't just stand up in front of a court
779
00:33:13,356 --> 00:33:15,334
and show photos without any context.
780
00:33:15,358 --> 00:33:17,537
We need somebody to authenticate them,
781
00:33:17,561 --> 00:33:19,739
to say that this is really
where Lucas lived,
782
00:33:19,763 --> 00:33:21,474
that this is really what it looked like.
783
00:33:21,498 --> 00:33:23,432
Who are we gonna get to do that?
784
00:33:26,156 --> 00:33:28,491
I was thinking... Lucas.
785
00:33:35,804 --> 00:33:36,914
Good morning, Lucas.
786
00:33:37,626 --> 00:33:39,671
First time in a witness box?
787
00:33:40,543 --> 00:33:41,840
Yes.
788
00:33:42,379 --> 00:33:45,443
Well, you know how this works, right?
789
00:33:45,467 --> 00:33:48,513
They made you raise your
right hand a moment ago, and
790
00:33:48,537 --> 00:33:49,848
you promised to tell the truth.
791
00:33:49,872 --> 00:33:51,015
You understand that, don't you?
792
00:33:51,638 --> 00:33:53,218
Yes.
793
00:33:53,242 --> 00:33:54,686
All right.
794
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:56,559
Now... (CLEARS THROAT)
795
00:33:57,479 --> 00:33:59,104
Does this picture...?
796
00:33:59,815 --> 00:34:02,694
Does this look familiar to you?
797
00:34:02,718 --> 00:34:04,696
Does it look like a place you know?
798
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,698
Yes.
799
00:34:07,195 --> 00:34:08,566
It's behind my house.
800
00:34:08,988 --> 00:34:11,135
BENNY: It's a target range.
801
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,338
Right? A place where...
802
00:34:13,362 --> 00:34:15,507
people practice shooting guns?
803
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:17,542
Yes.
804
00:34:17,566 --> 00:34:19,177
You shoot there a lot?
805
00:34:19,201 --> 00:34:20,912
Pretty much almost every day.
806
00:34:20,936 --> 00:34:22,747
BENNY: All right.
807
00:34:22,771 --> 00:34:25,672
Now how far was that target
from where you shot?
808
00:34:27,507 --> 00:34:28,962
Uh, I-I don't get you.
809
00:34:28,986 --> 00:34:32,323
How many steps? I mean,
if you had to take a guess.
810
00:34:32,929 --> 00:34:34,325
Um...
811
00:34:35,181 --> 00:34:36,494
at least a hundred.
812
00:34:36,518 --> 00:34:37,762
Okay.
813
00:34:37,786 --> 00:34:41,099
And how far away from the house
was the state trooper
814
00:34:41,123 --> 00:34:43,568
and the lady he brought with him?
815
00:34:44,023 --> 00:34:45,570
The one your dad shot?
816
00:34:46,067 --> 00:34:47,572
Maybe...
817
00:34:47,819 --> 00:34:49,774
20 steps.
818
00:34:49,798 --> 00:34:51,309
Never really counted.
819
00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:53,378
Objection. Relevance?
820
00:34:53,402 --> 00:34:56,485
If the court would just indulge
me for a moment more, please?
821
00:34:56,509 --> 00:34:57,763
Overruled.
822
00:34:57,787 --> 00:34:59,038
Thank you, Your Honor.
823
00:35:00,373 --> 00:35:02,854
Do you recognize this picture?
824
00:35:03,585 --> 00:35:05,290
That's what I shoot at.
825
00:35:05,314 --> 00:35:06,991
BENNY: So these are your bullet holes?
826
00:35:07,015 --> 00:35:09,097
LUCAS: I'm the only one who shoots there.
827
00:35:09,121 --> 00:35:10,300
Huh.
828
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:15,780
So if you shoot at these targets
pretty much every day,
829
00:35:15,958 --> 00:35:18,808
and they're at least a hundred feet away,
830
00:35:19,728 --> 00:35:22,206
why'd you shoot
that state trooper in the leg?
831
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:24,031
(GALLERY MURMURING)
832
00:35:29,771 --> 00:35:32,250
- The witness will answer the question.
- Oh, that's all right.
833
00:35:32,274 --> 00:35:33,740
I'll rephrase.
834
00:35:34,309 --> 00:35:37,244
Didn't your father tell you,
"It's kill or be killed"?
835
00:35:40,997 --> 00:35:43,294
JUDGE: Again, the witness
will answer the question.
836
00:35:43,318 --> 00:35:44,963
I'll withdraw the question.
Let me ask another.
837
00:35:45,835 --> 00:35:47,465
Do you recognize the phrase,
838
00:35:47,489 --> 00:35:50,173
- "thou shalt not kill"?
- (MOUTHING)
839
00:35:50,659 --> 00:35:52,217
Have you heard that before?
840
00:35:53,468 --> 00:35:54,627
Yes.
841
00:35:54,651 --> 00:35:56,407
Sunday school, right?
842
00:35:57,451 --> 00:35:58,471
Yes.
843
00:35:58,495 --> 00:35:59,804
And did it go through your mind
844
00:35:59,828 --> 00:36:02,503
when your father told you,
"Kill or be killed"?
845
00:36:07,129 --> 00:36:08,733
Lucas?
846
00:36:11,947 --> 00:36:13,404
(QUIETLY): Yes.
847
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,761
That's why you shot
that state trooper in the leg
848
00:36:17,367 --> 00:36:19,330
and not through the head or the heart
849
00:36:19,354 --> 00:36:21,454
like you've been practicing
your whole life to do?
850
00:36:22,157 --> 00:36:23,456
(VOICE BREAKING): Yes.
851
00:36:24,726 --> 00:36:26,704
(GALLERY MURMURING)
852
00:36:26,728 --> 00:36:28,106
BENNY: Thank you, Your Honor.
853
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:29,540
No further questions.
854
00:36:29,564 --> 00:36:31,732
JUDGE: Let's take a 20-minute recess.
855
00:36:38,340 --> 00:36:39,817
Did you bring me in here to gloat?
856
00:36:39,841 --> 00:36:42,053
I brought you in here
to see if we could cut a deal.
857
00:36:42,631 --> 00:36:44,155
A deal?
858
00:36:44,179 --> 00:36:45,890
Why would you want to make a deal?
859
00:36:45,914 --> 00:36:47,925
The jury is almost
certainly going to vote
860
00:36:47,949 --> 00:36:49,327
to let the boy go free.
861
00:36:50,066 --> 00:36:52,263
Because I'm not necessarily convinced
862
00:36:52,287 --> 00:36:54,198
that that's the best thing for him.
863
00:36:54,222 --> 00:36:56,200
(BULL SIGHS)
864
00:36:56,656 --> 00:36:58,736
Seemed like you guys
were talking for an hour.
865
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,038
Where's he going?
866
00:37:00,062 --> 00:37:01,906
To tell the judge the good news.
867
00:37:02,162 --> 00:37:03,474
We're done.
868
00:37:03,498 --> 00:37:05,243
No more jail, no more court.
869
00:37:06,499 --> 00:37:07,845
Yvonne,
870
00:37:07,869 --> 00:37:11,749
the woman you stayed with
for three weeks, has agreed
871
00:37:11,773 --> 00:37:14,299
to let you live with her and
her family until you're 18.
872
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:16,848
It's what we call "probation."
873
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,024
It's kind of like a test
874
00:37:20,048 --> 00:37:22,515
to see if you can
follow the rules, and...
875
00:37:22,918 --> 00:37:24,996
"you don't hae any problems.
876
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:27,331
And the A.D.A. and I would also like you
877
00:37:27,355 --> 00:37:30,601
to see Dr. Statton once a week.
878
00:37:30,625 --> 00:37:32,403
You remember her from the hospital?
879
00:37:32,427 --> 00:37:33,705
She introduced us?
880
00:37:33,729 --> 00:37:35,173
She's a good doctor.
881
00:37:35,570 --> 00:37:37,575
A doctor for your feelings.
882
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,365
Someone for you to talk to.
883
00:37:41,284 --> 00:37:42,513
Okay.
884
00:37:42,537 --> 00:37:43,828
That's it?
885
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,616
It's a pretty terrific deal.
886
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,851
Nice work.
887
00:37:46,875 --> 00:37:48,917
I didn't do it. Lucas did.
888
00:37:50,044 --> 00:37:52,255
He got on the stand and told the truth.
889
00:37:53,171 --> 00:37:54,849
But I can't go home?
890
00:37:56,424 --> 00:37:57,918
Not to your old home, no.
891
00:37:59,821 --> 00:38:01,799
It was never really yours.
892
00:38:01,823 --> 00:38:05,236
Your father was a squatter.
893
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:07,105
A person who lives someplace,
894
00:38:07,129 --> 00:38:09,187
but doesn't really own it.
895
00:38:09,584 --> 00:38:11,261
That's why he was so protective of it.
896
00:38:11,286 --> 00:38:13,066
The guns, the alarms.
897
00:38:14,148 --> 00:38:16,236
He knew he wasn't supposed to be there.
898
00:38:17,205 --> 00:38:18,539
I'm sorry.
899
00:38:21,245 --> 00:38:22,466
(CLEARS THROAT)
900
00:38:22,491 --> 00:38:24,002
The judge agreed.
901
00:38:28,483 --> 00:38:30,762
Does this mean I can go to school now?
902
00:38:31,125 --> 00:38:32,830
I'm sure we can figure something out.
903
00:38:33,544 --> 00:38:34,832
Learn to read?
904
00:38:35,296 --> 00:38:37,935
Oh, I'm sure
whatever school you end up at,
905
00:38:37,959 --> 00:38:39,884
they'd love to help you with that.
906
00:38:40,328 --> 00:38:43,541
Hey, you ever been to a restaurant?
907
00:38:43,565 --> 00:38:44,897
What's that?
908
00:38:44,921 --> 00:38:48,913
Well, you ever been to a celebration?
909
00:38:48,937 --> 00:38:50,258
I-I don't know.
910
00:38:50,282 --> 00:38:51,980
What does one look like?
911
00:38:52,494 --> 00:38:54,905
Oh, you've got your whole life
ahead of you.
912
00:38:54,930 --> 00:38:56,865
- (BULL LAUGHS)
- So much great stuff.
913
00:39:01,055 --> 00:39:02,989
Ask me about work today.
914
00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:06,953
Okay.
915
00:39:08,121 --> 00:39:09,667
How was work today?
916
00:39:09,691 --> 00:39:11,569
We've been working on this case.
917
00:39:11,593 --> 00:39:13,905
This kid... he's, like, 16.
918
00:39:13,929 --> 00:39:16,337
Completely lost the parent lottery.
919
00:39:16,832 --> 00:39:18,810
Up on murder charges.
920
00:39:18,834 --> 00:39:20,378
Mother's a junkie.
921
00:39:20,675 --> 00:39:22,413
Father was a delusional paranoid
922
00:39:22,437 --> 00:39:24,138
who thought
the world was coming to an end.
923
00:39:25,596 --> 00:39:26,941
And your point?
924
00:39:28,343 --> 00:39:29,934
It scares me.
925
00:39:31,477 --> 00:39:32,657
His parents
926
00:39:32,681 --> 00:39:34,292
must have been in love once upon a time,
927
00:39:34,316 --> 00:39:35,857
or at the very least, in lust.
928
00:39:37,172 --> 00:39:40,651
This kid was... born a baby.
929
00:39:41,187 --> 00:39:44,223
A cute, beautiful baby.
930
00:39:45,616 --> 00:39:47,805
How did it all go so wrong?
931
00:39:48,911 --> 00:39:50,208
If God is so smart,
932
00:39:50,232 --> 00:39:53,878
why does he or she let people
like that have children,
933
00:39:53,902 --> 00:39:55,880
let alone be attracted to each other?
934
00:39:55,904 --> 00:39:59,483
You are so much smarter
than that question suggests.
935
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,508
Maybe I'm not.
936
00:40:03,426 --> 00:40:06,169
Maybe I'm not really any of
the things I like to think I am.
937
00:40:06,193 --> 00:40:07,555
I mean...
938
00:40:09,098 --> 00:40:10,751
look at my parents.
939
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:13,811
Look at what happened to me.
940
00:40:16,858 --> 00:40:21,194
So this is how we're gonna
make this momentous decision.
941
00:40:22,063 --> 00:40:25,666
In the middle of the night, half asleep.
942
00:40:27,369 --> 00:40:29,303
I don't know.
943
00:40:30,372 --> 00:40:32,306
Do you have an opinion?
944
00:40:34,001 --> 00:40:35,935
Actually, I do.
945
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:42,399
I'm as frightened as
you are... of failing.
946
00:40:43,216 --> 00:40:46,831
I'm... terrified
947
00:40:46,855 --> 00:40:50,024
at the prospect of letting
another human being down.
948
00:40:51,974 --> 00:40:54,372
But there's also a part of me
that thinks it would be scary
949
00:40:54,396 --> 00:40:56,730
and dangerous if I
didn't have those fears.
950
00:40:59,534 --> 00:41:01,150
So what are you saying?
951
00:41:03,738 --> 00:41:05,613
I'm saying...
952
00:41:07,461 --> 00:41:10,663
your parents robbed you of so much.
953
00:41:11,746 --> 00:41:13,981
Don't let them rob you of this.
954
00:41:15,489 --> 00:41:17,083
This choice.
955
00:41:18,753 --> 00:41:21,965
If you don't want to
have a baby, let's not.
956
00:41:22,389 --> 00:41:25,692
But if you're afraid of having a
baby because of your parents...
957
00:41:28,063 --> 00:41:29,974
...then I'm gonna
force you to have a baby
958
00:41:29,998 --> 00:41:31,309
just to prove you wrong.
959
00:41:31,333 --> 00:41:33,035
(LAUGHS)
960
00:41:33,059 --> 00:41:34,892
You and what army?
961
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:37,604
Mm. Come here.
962
00:41:39,674 --> 00:41:41,350
I want to start right now.
963
00:41:41,374 --> 00:41:43,754
You understand
this is not how this works.
964
00:41:43,778 --> 00:41:46,390
We go to an office.
965
00:41:46,414 --> 00:41:47,925
We don't do it like this?
966
00:41:47,949 --> 00:41:49,327
Well, they show you porn.
967
00:41:49,351 --> 00:41:51,659
Porn? Really?
968
00:41:52,387 --> 00:41:53,828
Wow.
969
00:41:54,489 --> 00:41:56,634
The things we do for our kids.
970
00:41:56,658 --> 00:41:58,592
(LAUGHS)
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