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Narrator: a mysterious car wreck
And a seemingly random shooting.
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Officer:
What the hell?
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He said it appeared to be
A lateral gunshot wound,
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And those are
Probably the most devastating.
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They say,
"I'm sorry to tell you,
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Your son has been
Shot and killed."
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-look at that, right there.
-that's interesting.
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Narrator:
But the victim's personal life
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May shed light on
The killer's m.O.
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Demery: it's definitely
Something that adds
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An extra twist to the case.
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Narrator:
And detective rod demery
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Recognizes a sinister
Pattern of violence.
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There were two previous murders
That matched this murder.
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[ woman screams ]
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I think the possibility of this
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Being a serial murder
Is very high.
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And we're gonna have guns drawn,
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Because we don't know
Exactly what's gonna happen.
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♪♪
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Murder and me, we go way back.
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When I was a child,
Murder took my mother.
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Years later,
It came for my brother.
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That's when I found
My mission in life.
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Every case I worked, I solved.
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Every case I solved,
I got a confession.
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I'm detective rod demery.
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I didn't choose murder.
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Murder chose me.
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Jim:
Got any paperwork?
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I got an accident report
And some tickets.
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How many you got?
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Rudell:
There's two patrol officers
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Sitting in the parking lot
Of a strip mall.
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They're preparing
Their paperwork
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And waiting for a supervisor to
Come sign off on their reports
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So they can turn them in
At the end of shift.
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What time is he
Supposed to be here?
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I think at 4:00.
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[ tires screech,
Glass shatters ]
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-what the hell was that?
-let's go find out.
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[ engine starts ]
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The officers went about 75
To 100 yards down the road.
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They located an s.U.V. That had
Ran into a telephone pole.
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Instinctively, with it being
A one-vehicle accident,
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They think that it was
Possibly an intoxicated driver
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Or that maybe there
Was another vehicle
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That was involved
That fled the scene.
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♪♪
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What the hell?
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Holmes: they find this guy
And he's slumped over.
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There's blood inside
Of the car, too --
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Lots of blood.
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Jim:
What have you got?
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He's got a gunshot wound.
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They try to save his life.
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Oh-seven, I need a 47
And a first responder.
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[ cellphone vibrating ]
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♪♪
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♪♪
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This is demery.
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I was in a deep sleep
When they called me
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And I was informed that
There was a car accident
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On hollywood avenue
In shreveport.
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And the victim was being
Transported to the hospital.
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The fact that I was called out
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Made me believe that
This was a suspicious incident
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And not just a traffic accident.
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I'm getting dressed now.
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Late-night calls
Or early-morning calls
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As a homicide detective
Are just a part of life.
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Doesn't matter if you're asleep
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Or watching a movie
Or taking a shower,
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The phone's gonna ring,
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And you kind of prepare yourself
For it to happen at any time.
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But they always come at
The most inopportune times.
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♪♪
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When I get to the scene
It's early morning,
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Still dark.
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The graveyard-shift
Patrol officers were out.
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-hey, rod.
-how you doing, jim?
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Doing better than
The driver of that car.
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There's a vehicle that's
Crashed into a utility pole.
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You know what happened?
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Well, we thought it was just
A standard traffic accident.
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We got to investigate it,
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Found the guy had been
Shot on the right side.
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He said it appeared to be
A lateral gunshot wound,
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And those are probably
The most devastating
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Because they can go
Completely across the body
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And the likelihood
Of a vital organ
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Being struck
Is pretty high.
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We have his I.D.
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Inside the vehicle
Was a driver's license
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Of a male, black, 23 years old,
Frederick henderson.
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The vehicle was registered
To a pamela ellis
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Of bossier city,
Frederick's mother.
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The doe's
At the hospital.
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I haven't talked to him yet.
This kid gonna make it?
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It didn't look good,
But we're not sure.
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♪♪
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Hey, jen.
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Look at that
Right there.
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That's interesting.
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There was a considerable
Amount of foliage -- shrubbery.
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It kind of indicated
That the vehicle
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Had been somewhere
Out of the city limits
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Or somewhere unpopulated.
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It was fresh, it was new,
So that was noteworthy.
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I immediately noticed that
There were no skid marks,
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So the vehicle went
Full speed into the pole.
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This window been
Down the whole time?
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Yes, sir.
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The passenger-side window of
The vehicle was rolled down,
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And that created more questions
Than answers.
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Had the window been up,
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The gunshot would've
Went through the window.
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The fact that
The window was down
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Made it difficult to determine
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Whether the suspect was inside
Or outside the vehicle.
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Inside the vehicle,
There was some
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High-velocity blood spatter.
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That showed that there was
Significant blood loss.
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I wasn't sure if that person
Would survive that gunshot.
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How was the body
Positioned?
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Across the armrest.
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And the pants were
Undone and down.
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I'm thinking the victim
May have been robbed.
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Some people who rob
Require the victim to disrobe.
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That's a delay tactic for
That person to contact police
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So they don't leave immediately.
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Also,
He was wearing panties.
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The victim had on
Women's undergarments.
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So that suggested
That maybe this person
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Was a cross-dresser or had
An alternative lifestyle.
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This where
The I.D. Was found?
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Yes, sir.
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The fact that
The victim may have lived
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An alternative lifestyle,
There's not any
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Conclusions you can
Draw at that point,
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But it's definitely
Something that adds
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An extra twist to the case.
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Any valuables?
-a cellphone. Do you want it?
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Yeah, please.
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A cellphone
Is a big deal.
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People have their entire
Lives on their cellphones.
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-here you go.
-thanks.
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After I get the cellular phone,
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I realize it has a lock code
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So there's some level of privacy
That the owner wanted.
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Damn locks, man.
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Well, there are a couple
Of different ways
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That you can get information
From a cellphone.
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One would require
A search warrant,
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Where it's actually
Submitted to an analyst,
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But that takes forever
Because there are
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A bunch that need
To be analyzed.
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The other is we get permission
To get into the phone.
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Then you can
Kind of scroll through
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For any evidence
That may be on it.
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Jenny, do me a favor.
-sure.
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Hold onto this phone.
Don't let it out of your sight.
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You got it.
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I didn't want to go
Through the red tape
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Of having to check it out
And see what's what,
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So I had them take custody
Until I could figure
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My next step out.
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[ cellphone rings ]
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This is demery.
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Greg: hey, rod,
I'm here at the hospital.
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Hey, greg.
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I just found out
That our victim,
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Frederick henderson,
He didn't make it.
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[ sighs ]
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Well, contact his family and
Make his death notification.
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Thanks, brother.
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You got this guy's I.D.?
-yeah.
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Here you go.
-thank you.
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Did he expire?
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You mean is he dead?
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Yeah.
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Expire --
It's one of those words
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That gets thrown around
A lot in my line of work.
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But not by me.
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It's not applicable to people.
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I think it's something
For something that had
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An expiration date or
Something that's inanimate.
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There should be
A human connection.
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It's important to know that
A person has been killed,
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A person's been murdered,
A person is dead.
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Kind of humanizes it
A little bit more.
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When you get too generic
About certain aspects
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Of a homicide investigation,
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You kind of lose
That human connection.
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Hey,
Did you work that murder
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Over in allendale
The other night?
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No, I wasn't on night shift.
What's up?
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Nothing.
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I got to go to the station
And check on something.
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If you hear of anything,
You let me know.
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-you got it, rod.
-thanks, man.
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♪♪
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Demery:
Hey, what's happening, man?
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How you doing?
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Pretty good.
How you doing, man?
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Another day,
Brother, another day.
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After I noticed
The clothing of the victim,
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I realized that a few days prior
There was a murder similar.
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There was a male, black,
That was a cross-dresser
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That was killed.
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Then I thought about
Just prior to that,
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There was another victim
That was killed
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That lived an alternative
Homosexual lifestyle.
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So, at this point,
I'm thinking that
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It's a serial-type killer.
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Reporter: but it's very
Important to note
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Detectives have not
Made any connection
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Between the two cases
Whatsoever.
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So at this point, it could be
Just a strange coincidence.
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There's no coincidences.
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I don't believe in coincidences.
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I think the possibility of
This being a serial murder
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Or someone killing the same
Type of people is very high,
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And he needs to be
Stopped immediately.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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Demery: I responded to a call
Of a vehicle accident.
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Turned out that the victim
Was actually shot to death.
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The victim lived
An alternative lifestyle.
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I learned that there
Were two previous murders
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That matched this murder.
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Now I'm maybe looking
For a serial killer.
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♪♪
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As I looked into
The previous murders,
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The first that I read
About is jock mckinney.
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50-year-old male, black,
Cross-dresser, and openly gay.
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What's interesting about him
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Is that, you know,
He's a cross-dresser,
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But he dresses more as a woman
Than he does as a man.
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People knew him as valerie.
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Rudell: mckinney was walking
Home from the store
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In the mooretown area.
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Sometime during that walk home,
He was shot.
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Hey, punk.
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[ screams ]
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[ gasping ]
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A passerby went to check on him
And found him bleeding.
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She called 911
And officers responded.
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Next, I read the report
On terry golston.
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Golston was a 46-year-old male,
Black,
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Openly gay,
And cross dressed.
254
00:11:36,965 --> 00:11:39,551
Holmes: everybody likes terry.
He's everybody's friend.
255
00:11:39,551 --> 00:11:42,724
A lot of the cross-dressers
Hang out together in one area.
256
00:11:42,724 --> 00:11:44,413
Well, hey, ms. Terry.
257
00:11:44,413 --> 00:11:45,931
Give me some loving.
258
00:11:45,931 --> 00:11:48,310
And he's known by a lot
Of people across the area.
259
00:11:48,310 --> 00:11:50,655
You look fabulous.
260
00:11:50,655 --> 00:11:52,793
Golston was on the street
And what was reported as
261
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And investigated as a robbery.
262
00:11:55,620 --> 00:11:57,275
Oh, my god.
263
00:11:57,275 --> 00:11:58,413
[ screams ]
264
00:12:01,206 --> 00:12:03,000
Golston was found
Laying in the street
265
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,551
Bleeding with gunshot wounds.
266
00:12:05,586 --> 00:12:07,000
Oh, my god, terry!
267
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,344
Someone help!
268
00:12:08,344 --> 00:12:09,827
He was transported
To the hospital
269
00:12:09,827 --> 00:12:11,241
Where he later died.
270
00:12:11,241 --> 00:12:15,034
Help!
Some-- terry!
271
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Demery: after comparing
The three victims,
272
00:12:18,379 --> 00:12:20,137
I realized that there's
No possible way
273
00:12:20,137 --> 00:12:21,862
This is just a coincidence.
274
00:12:21,862 --> 00:12:23,862
With all three victims,
275
00:12:23,862 --> 00:12:25,793
There's a pattern
Or a common thread,
276
00:12:25,793 --> 00:12:28,379
And that is
They're cross-dressers.
277
00:12:28,379 --> 00:12:31,379
The other point is, is they are
All from the same part of town,
278
00:12:31,379 --> 00:12:32,689
About a mile and a half,
Two miles
279
00:12:32,689 --> 00:12:35,206
From where my victim
Henderson was found.
280
00:12:36,724 --> 00:12:38,034
Hey, rod.
How's it coming?
281
00:12:38,034 --> 00:12:41,000
Hey, man. Listen.
282
00:12:43,931 --> 00:12:46,448
You remember
The cross-dressing murder vic
283
00:12:46,448 --> 00:12:48,206
We had last week,
Terry golston?
284
00:12:48,206 --> 00:12:50,689
-yeah, over in allendale.
-yeah, well, listen.
285
00:12:50,689 --> 00:12:52,586
I'm starting to think that
The frederick henderson case
286
00:12:52,586 --> 00:12:56,275
Might be related, as well
As the one with jock mckinney.
287
00:12:56,275 --> 00:12:57,344
Really?
288
00:12:57,344 --> 00:12:58,896
Somebody dropped the ball
On this one.
289
00:12:58,896 --> 00:13:00,793
Let me show you something.
290
00:13:00,793 --> 00:13:03,482
Unfortunately, I think
The victims in these cases
291
00:13:03,482 --> 00:13:05,000
Didn't get the justice
292
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,206
Or the attention
That they should have.
293
00:13:07,206 --> 00:13:09,068
What I'm doing now
Is I'm looking for
294
00:13:09,068 --> 00:13:10,551
Somebody who may be responsible
295
00:13:10,551 --> 00:13:12,137
For all three of these murders
296
00:13:12,137 --> 00:13:16,310
And evidence that ties them
To every one of those cases.
297
00:13:16,310 --> 00:13:18,068
At this point,
We strongly feel
298
00:13:18,068 --> 00:13:20,793
That we may have a serial killer
In shreveport.
299
00:13:20,793 --> 00:13:23,206
It puts the people
In this position
300
00:13:23,206 --> 00:13:27,655
Who are openly gay
Cross-dressers at great risk.
301
00:13:27,655 --> 00:13:29,413
There was a great
Possibility that this person
302
00:13:29,413 --> 00:13:31,724
Could strike again,
So it's very important
303
00:13:31,724 --> 00:13:34,034
That we figure out
Who this person is.
304
00:13:34,034 --> 00:13:35,137
That's crazy.
305
00:13:35,137 --> 00:13:36,379
All right, listen.
306
00:13:36,379 --> 00:13:37,689
I'm gonna go make this
Death notification,
307
00:13:37,689 --> 00:13:39,068
And you and I will
Catch up later.
308
00:13:39,068 --> 00:13:40,413
-all right. Sounds good.
-bye.
309
00:13:41,862 --> 00:13:43,827
Demery: death notifications
Are never easy.
310
00:13:43,827 --> 00:13:50,068
♪♪
311
00:13:50,068 --> 00:13:53,000
But in a case like this,
It's even more difficult.
312
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,862
[ dog barking ]
313
00:13:55,862 --> 00:13:57,379
I knew that there
May be a possibility
314
00:13:57,379 --> 00:13:58,724
That his family didn't know
315
00:13:58,724 --> 00:14:01,103
What his private lifestyle
Consisted of.
316
00:14:01,103 --> 00:14:02,482
I knew that maybe,
At some point,
317
00:14:02,482 --> 00:14:03,896
I was gonna have to reveal that.
318
00:14:03,896 --> 00:14:13,275
♪♪
319
00:14:13,275 --> 00:14:14,517
Ma'am,
I'm detective demery
320
00:14:14,517 --> 00:14:16,137
With the shreveport
Police department.
321
00:14:16,137 --> 00:14:17,931
Does frederick henderson
Live here?
322
00:14:19,758 --> 00:14:21,172
Yes. I'm his mother.
323
00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:24,068
May I come in,
Please?
324
00:14:26,206 --> 00:14:28,413
Yeah.
325
00:14:28,413 --> 00:14:32,413
I'm aware that their
Life's gonna change forever
326
00:14:32,413 --> 00:14:35,310
Into a world that
They never anticipated.
327
00:14:37,275 --> 00:14:39,931
I don't understand.
Why are you here?
328
00:14:42,344 --> 00:14:45,068
Ma'am, there's no easy
Way to tell you this.
329
00:14:45,965 --> 00:14:49,000
They say, "I'm
Sorry to tell you..."
330
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,103
[sniffles] "Your son has been
Shot and killed."
331
00:14:52,103 --> 00:14:54,448
What?
332
00:14:54,448 --> 00:14:58,137
I heard him,
But I didn't hear him.
333
00:15:00,724 --> 00:15:03,275
So...
334
00:15:03,275 --> 00:15:05,965
I don't know what has happened
Because I was lost.
335
00:15:07,275 --> 00:15:11,827
To have my baby to be gone,
My only son.
336
00:15:11,827 --> 00:15:13,931
Ma'am,
I'm really sorry.
337
00:15:13,931 --> 00:15:17,379
Demery:
She clearly was, you know,
Devastated when I told her.
338
00:15:17,379 --> 00:15:19,310
A mother who has
Given birth to a child
339
00:15:19,310 --> 00:15:21,206
And that child is murdered --
340
00:15:21,206 --> 00:15:24,689
I don't know that that's
Comparable to anything else.
341
00:15:24,689 --> 00:15:26,620
[ cries ]
342
00:15:26,620 --> 00:15:29,413
Don't cry, grandma.
343
00:15:29,413 --> 00:15:32,000
It was a shock to me
344
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,551
That somebody would
Take his life.
345
00:15:36,103 --> 00:15:37,344
Who could've done this?
346
00:15:38,275 --> 00:15:39,517
I don't know.
347
00:15:39,517 --> 00:15:41,862
Honestly, I'm hoping
You can help me with that.
348
00:15:44,965 --> 00:15:46,724
What do you
Need to know?
349
00:15:46,724 --> 00:15:48,655
I'll tell you whatever
You think will help.
350
00:15:48,655 --> 00:15:51,172
Demery:
She did maintain her composure,
351
00:15:51,172 --> 00:15:54,965
And she was able to contribute
To the investigation.
352
00:15:54,965 --> 00:15:57,689
The fact that she was able
To do that was amazing.
353
00:15:57,689 --> 00:15:59,068
Why don't you start off
By telling me
354
00:15:59,068 --> 00:16:01,482
A little bit about frederick
And what was he like?
355
00:16:05,103 --> 00:16:06,965
Well...
356
00:16:08,137 --> 00:16:09,862
I had five kids -- four girls,
357
00:16:09,862 --> 00:16:12,103
And fred was
The only son that I had.
358
00:16:12,103 --> 00:16:14,103
He was protective of his family.
359
00:16:14,103 --> 00:16:15,551
Fred thought he was
The man of the house,
360
00:16:15,551 --> 00:16:16,758
And he always
Thought he could just
361
00:16:16,758 --> 00:16:18,310
Tell everybody what to do.
362
00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:20,310
Just press it together
And fold it.
363
00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:22,000
You're not making this
For the president.
364
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,241
You're just making
It for yourself.
365
00:16:23,241 --> 00:16:25,034
And everybody would
Do what fred say do.
366
00:16:25,034 --> 00:16:27,758
Fred was the glue that
Kept the family together.
367
00:16:27,758 --> 00:16:29,551
He had a lot of friends.
368
00:16:29,551 --> 00:16:31,931
People always in and out
Of the house, you know.
369
00:16:33,241 --> 00:16:35,620
Demery: she explained that
He was a very outgoing
370
00:16:35,620 --> 00:16:37,379
And happy person.
371
00:16:38,517 --> 00:16:40,689
His mother and everyone else
In his family
372
00:16:40,689 --> 00:16:42,655
Knew his lifestyle
And accepted his lifestyle.
373
00:16:42,655 --> 00:16:46,103
So fred came out on
His junior-high year.
374
00:16:46,103 --> 00:16:48,724
And I just told fred,
"You my son
375
00:16:48,724 --> 00:16:50,275
And I'ma love you regardless."
376
00:16:50,275 --> 00:16:52,620
I feel like that was a big
Burden that was off of him.
377
00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:56,241
He was proud of what he was,
And I was proud of him, too.
378
00:16:56,241 --> 00:16:58,655
Frederick owned
His homosexuality.
379
00:16:58,655 --> 00:17:01,758
He would wear dresses,
He would wear purses.
380
00:17:01,758 --> 00:17:05,655
He was just who he was.
381
00:17:05,655 --> 00:17:07,655
Did he have beef
With anyone?
382
00:17:07,655 --> 00:17:08,862
Or can you think of anyone
383
00:17:08,862 --> 00:17:10,724
Who might've wanted
To do him some harm?
384
00:17:12,931 --> 00:17:14,793
Well, there's one thing
I can think of.
385
00:17:14,793 --> 00:17:19,103
A couple months before,
Fred and a young man
386
00:17:19,103 --> 00:17:21,103
Had an altercation,
A fight.
387
00:17:21,103 --> 00:17:22,551
Ow!
388
00:17:22,551 --> 00:17:25,137
Fred came home with
Blood all over him.
389
00:17:25,137 --> 00:17:27,551
He had pulled fred's earring
Out of his ear,
390
00:17:27,551 --> 00:17:29,068
And his ear was split.
391
00:17:29,068 --> 00:17:32,068
Do you know
Who that person was?
392
00:17:32,068 --> 00:17:33,551
I don't know.
393
00:17:33,551 --> 00:17:34,862
Demery: she didn't have
A whole lot of detail
394
00:17:34,862 --> 00:17:37,068
On the fight or the altercation
395
00:17:37,068 --> 00:17:39,068
Where frederick's earring
Was ripped from his ear,
396
00:17:39,068 --> 00:17:41,448
But the fact that
It actually happened
397
00:17:41,448 --> 00:17:44,000
Was the significant point.
398
00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,793
My daughter may be
Able to help you.
399
00:17:46,793 --> 00:17:48,517
She and fred always
Talked about things.
400
00:17:48,517 --> 00:17:49,620
I can ask her if you'd like.
401
00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:51,310
That could definitely
Be helpful.
402
00:17:53,413 --> 00:17:54,620
You know what?
403
00:17:54,620 --> 00:17:58,206
Um, if you really
Want to know about fred,
404
00:17:58,206 --> 00:17:59,655
Check his cellphone.
405
00:17:59,655 --> 00:18:02,413
He was on that thing
All the time.
406
00:18:02,413 --> 00:18:05,000
I said if fred is
Arguing with anybody,
407
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,482
He's texting them.
408
00:18:06,482 --> 00:18:08,931
His phone was next to him
At all times.
409
00:18:08,931 --> 00:18:11,379
As it turns out, I actually
Happen to have his phone.
410
00:18:11,379 --> 00:18:13,965
The problem is
I don't have the passcode.
411
00:18:15,241 --> 00:18:16,793
Jayden: I do.
412
00:18:17,689 --> 00:18:20,413
Jayden and fred used to always
Go everywhere together.
413
00:18:20,413 --> 00:18:22,241
And my grandson saw
Him put the number
414
00:18:22,241 --> 00:18:23,551
And he remembered the number.
415
00:18:23,551 --> 00:18:24,551
What is it?
416
00:18:24,551 --> 00:18:28,482
6-4-7-0.
417
00:18:28,482 --> 00:18:30,103
Do I have permission
To go through
418
00:18:30,103 --> 00:18:32,344
Your son's phone
Once I unlock it?
419
00:18:32,344 --> 00:18:33,931
Of course.
420
00:18:33,931 --> 00:18:36,517
Demery: the fact that I got the
Passcode to the phone was huge.
421
00:18:36,517 --> 00:18:40,034
The cellular phone can lead
Me to exactly what happened.
422
00:18:40,034 --> 00:18:43,482
Take my number,
And if there's anything
423
00:18:43,482 --> 00:18:46,448
That I can do for you, please,
Don't hesitate to call me.
424
00:18:46,448 --> 00:18:48,482
Thank you.
425
00:18:48,482 --> 00:18:49,551
I'll let myself out.
426
00:18:49,551 --> 00:18:53,793
[ crying ]
427
00:18:53,793 --> 00:18:56,137
Getting into the cellphone
Is a gold mine.
428
00:18:58,241 --> 00:18:59,758
With the passcode on the phone,
429
00:18:59,758 --> 00:19:02,586
I'll eventually find out who
Frederick was in contact with
430
00:19:02,586 --> 00:19:04,413
And be that much closer
To finding out
431
00:19:04,413 --> 00:19:06,379
Who killed him and
The other two people.
432
00:19:11,068 --> 00:19:19,275
♪♪
433
00:19:19,275 --> 00:19:22,344
Demery:
So, I made notification to
Frederick's mother of his death.
434
00:19:22,344 --> 00:19:24,275
I've gotten the code
To his cellphone,
435
00:19:24,275 --> 00:19:26,896
And I'm hoping this phone
Will lead me to his killer.
436
00:19:28,551 --> 00:19:30,965
One of the crime-scene techs
Has possession of the phone,
437
00:19:30,965 --> 00:19:33,931
So I need to call that
Crime-scene investigator
438
00:19:33,931 --> 00:19:36,310
And meet them to get the phone.
439
00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:37,827
Jennifer, it's rod.
440
00:19:37,827 --> 00:19:39,482
Listen, I'm getting ready
To duck into the morgue.
441
00:19:39,482 --> 00:19:40,724
When I'm done, would you meet me
442
00:19:40,724 --> 00:19:42,379
With the cellphone
At the station?
443
00:19:45,793 --> 00:19:48,482
But first, I need to check in
With the medical examiner
444
00:19:48,482 --> 00:19:50,724
And see if
He's uncovered anything
445
00:19:50,724 --> 00:19:53,172
That might bring me closer
To catching frederick's killer.
446
00:19:55,034 --> 00:19:56,896
What's happening,
Richie?
447
00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:58,655
Hey, rod.
448
00:19:58,655 --> 00:20:01,172
I haven't
Seen the body before.
449
00:20:01,172 --> 00:20:04,034
I'm looking at frederick
And I'm realizing
450
00:20:04,034 --> 00:20:06,724
That it is just a boy,
It's a kid.
451
00:20:06,724 --> 00:20:08,827
He was killed at
Such a young age.
452
00:20:09,896 --> 00:20:12,275
And how tragic it was --
23 years old.
453
00:20:13,517 --> 00:20:17,103
So, any signs of powder burns
On our victim?
454
00:20:17,103 --> 00:20:18,551
No, none.
455
00:20:18,551 --> 00:20:21,758
Absence of powder burns
Suggests that the shot
456
00:20:21,758 --> 00:20:24,724
Was at least 30 inches
Or further back.
457
00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:26,655
So it's very possible
That the shooter
458
00:20:26,655 --> 00:20:29,448
Was outside the vehicle
When frederick was shot.
459
00:20:29,448 --> 00:20:31,137
Here's your bullet.
460
00:20:31,137 --> 00:20:32,586
I learned that
The victim was shot
461
00:20:32,586 --> 00:20:34,103
With a 9-millimeter handgun.
462
00:20:35,241 --> 00:20:37,620
And that bullet
Passed through his arm
463
00:20:37,620 --> 00:20:40,068
And it went through
His right side
464
00:20:40,068 --> 00:20:44,137
And eventually collapsed a lung.
465
00:20:44,137 --> 00:20:47,172
Was there any signs of
A fight or a struggle?
466
00:20:47,172 --> 00:20:48,344
The only thing I noticed was
467
00:20:48,344 --> 00:20:51,103
There was a slight tear
On his earlobe.
468
00:20:52,448 --> 00:20:54,586
But it was in the process
Of healing.
469
00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:56,034
The injury to his earlobe
470
00:20:56,034 --> 00:20:58,517
Matches the story
That frederick's mother told me.
471
00:20:59,655 --> 00:21:01,758
Okay. Ah, well. Thanks, man.
-yeah.
472
00:21:01,758 --> 00:21:03,413
-appreciate it.
-sure. Hope it helps.
473
00:21:03,413 --> 00:21:05,241
Yeah, did for sure.
474
00:21:05,241 --> 00:21:14,275
♪♪
475
00:21:14,275 --> 00:21:15,724
What's happening, jen?
-hey.
476
00:21:15,724 --> 00:21:17,586
How are you?
You've got that phone for me?
477
00:21:17,586 --> 00:21:19,689
Sure do. Just need you to
Sign right here for me.
478
00:21:19,689 --> 00:21:21,206
Once I leave the morgue,
479
00:21:21,206 --> 00:21:24,000
I attempt to get into
Frederick's cellular phone.
480
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,206
-all right, here you go.
-you're the best.
481
00:21:26,206 --> 00:21:27,586
All right, see you.
See you, greg.
482
00:21:27,586 --> 00:21:28,862
Hey, see you, jen.
483
00:21:28,862 --> 00:21:35,137
♪♪
484
00:21:35,137 --> 00:21:38,000
Once I unlock the phone,
The wallpaper picture was him.
485
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,275
This was definitely
Frederick's cellular phone.
486
00:21:41,275 --> 00:21:43,413
Hey, greg?
-yeah?
487
00:21:43,413 --> 00:21:44,620
Man, I got into
This kid's phone.
488
00:21:44,620 --> 00:21:46,137
I'm gonna need your help
With this, brother.
489
00:21:46,137 --> 00:21:48,931
Rudell takes the phone
And starts going through it.
490
00:21:48,931 --> 00:21:50,103
I'll write them out
On the board,
491
00:21:50,103 --> 00:21:52,034
You call them out to me.
-sounds good.
492
00:21:52,034 --> 00:21:53,896
Rudell:
Our plan is that we're gonna
493
00:21:53,896 --> 00:21:56,034
Create a log on a whiteboard,
494
00:21:56,034 --> 00:21:57,620
We'll write the names
And numbers down
495
00:21:57,620 --> 00:21:59,517
And find out if they knew
What was going on
496
00:21:59,517 --> 00:22:01,344
Or what he was doing
That evening.
497
00:22:01,344 --> 00:22:05,517
We got 318-555...
498
00:22:05,517 --> 00:22:07,931
Demery: as rudell scrolls
Through henderson's phone log,
499
00:22:07,931 --> 00:22:09,103
I'm keeping a record of
500
00:22:09,103 --> 00:22:11,275
What names are associated
With what numbers.
501
00:22:11,275 --> 00:22:13,620
We got a call to mom.
502
00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:17,275
Some contacts are saved
As who they are by name
503
00:22:17,275 --> 00:22:19,586
Like his mother
Or a relative.
504
00:22:19,586 --> 00:22:22,206
We have three calls
To jayden.
505
00:22:22,206 --> 00:22:25,034
And some phone calls
Were just phone numbers,
506
00:22:25,034 --> 00:22:28,413
Which means that it's not saved
In his telephone book.
507
00:22:28,413 --> 00:22:31,068
We got that 318 number
Popping up again.
508
00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:34,689
We notice that there's
A recurring number
509
00:22:34,689 --> 00:22:36,379
With the same area code.
510
00:22:36,379 --> 00:22:38,586
Rudell: there was no name
Associated with that number.
511
00:22:38,586 --> 00:22:41,310
And that number
Is the same number
512
00:22:41,310 --> 00:22:44,000
That was the last call
That was received
513
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,689
And answered on
Henderson's phone.
514
00:22:46,689 --> 00:22:48,172
The person he talked to last
515
00:22:48,172 --> 00:22:50,448
Is the most important person
That we need to talk to
516
00:22:50,448 --> 00:22:52,344
Because they could give us
The most current information
517
00:22:52,344 --> 00:22:54,793
On where he was
Or who he was with.
518
00:22:54,793 --> 00:22:56,344
They may even be the suspect.
519
00:22:56,344 --> 00:22:59,103
[ cellphone rings ]Hold on a second.
520
00:22:59,103 --> 00:23:01,241
This is demery.
521
00:23:01,241 --> 00:23:02,758
Hey, hold on one second.
522
00:23:02,758 --> 00:23:04,034
I'm gonna take this call.
-okay.
523
00:23:04,034 --> 00:23:06,068
Hey, how are you,
Pam?
524
00:23:06,068 --> 00:23:08,758
Rudell: at that time I decided
To look at the facebook app.
525
00:23:08,758 --> 00:23:12,965
I see a message from
A breonne whitaker
526
00:23:12,965 --> 00:23:14,655
Saying that he's trying
To get in contact
527
00:23:14,655 --> 00:23:16,586
With frederick henderson.
528
00:23:16,586 --> 00:23:19,620
And then he gives a telephone
Number in that message.
529
00:23:19,620 --> 00:23:22,206
The 318 number in the message
530
00:23:22,206 --> 00:23:24,896
Is the same number
That is associated with
531
00:23:24,896 --> 00:23:28,206
The number that has no name
On the call log.
532
00:23:28,206 --> 00:23:30,724
We know that the last
Person that called
533
00:23:30,724 --> 00:23:33,586
Or talked to henderson
Was breonne whitaker.
534
00:23:33,586 --> 00:23:35,689
Demery: as rudell gets deeper
Into the phone,
535
00:23:35,689 --> 00:23:37,517
I'm talking to
Frederick's mother.
536
00:23:37,517 --> 00:23:39,724
She explains that she found out
537
00:23:39,724 --> 00:23:41,551
Where he was when
The fight took place
538
00:23:41,551 --> 00:23:43,344
Where his earring was
Ripped from his ear.
539
00:23:43,344 --> 00:23:45,517
Frederick had told
My daughter ashley
540
00:23:45,517 --> 00:23:49,758
Exactly where the guy live at
On kent street.
541
00:23:49,758 --> 00:23:51,310
Demery: kent street
Is about a block away
542
00:23:51,310 --> 00:23:53,000
From hollywood avenue
543
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,344
Where the wreck
And the victim was discovered.
544
00:23:56,344 --> 00:23:57,758
That was pretty significant.
545
00:23:59,137 --> 00:24:01,896
Hey, so that's pamela,
Frederick's mother.
546
00:24:01,896 --> 00:24:03,517
She said that
The place where he had
547
00:24:03,517 --> 00:24:06,000
The earring pulled out of his
Ear is over on kent street.
548
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,103
We run breonne whitaker's
Phone number
549
00:24:08,103 --> 00:24:10,620
And name through our
Police management system.
550
00:24:13,275 --> 00:24:15,310
I find the address
Is on kent street
551
00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:16,689
Is where he lives.
552
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:20,206
Henderson's family told demery
553
00:24:20,206 --> 00:24:22,758
That henderson had been
In a fight with someone
554
00:24:22,758 --> 00:24:24,241
In a yellow house.
555
00:24:24,241 --> 00:24:26,275
When we looked up whitaker's
House on google maps,
556
00:24:26,275 --> 00:24:28,931
It was a yellow house
On kent street.
557
00:24:28,931 --> 00:24:31,103
So,
What are you thinking?
558
00:24:31,103 --> 00:24:34,344
I'm thinking
We found our suspect.
559
00:24:34,344 --> 00:24:36,206
At this point,
We feel very strongly
560
00:24:36,206 --> 00:24:39,655
That breonne whitaker might
Have some answers for us.
561
00:24:39,655 --> 00:24:43,655
Know what,
Before we go grab him,
562
00:24:43,655 --> 00:24:45,586
Let's look at his priors.
563
00:24:45,586 --> 00:24:47,172
We began to
Look at his record
564
00:24:47,172 --> 00:24:48,620
And learned that
Breonne whitaker
565
00:24:48,620 --> 00:24:51,620
Had been arrested for a murder
When he was a juvenile.
566
00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:53,310
How old was he
When he did that?
567
00:24:53,310 --> 00:24:55,931
Says, uh, 14.
568
00:24:55,931 --> 00:24:58,206
Killed some guy
Named kennedy.
569
00:24:58,206 --> 00:24:59,586
Take a look at his photo.
570
00:25:01,758 --> 00:25:04,241
Oh, man!
571
00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:07,448
Demery:
You got to be kidding me.
572
00:25:07,448 --> 00:25:08,793
When I looked, I realized
573
00:25:08,793 --> 00:25:10,517
I know exactly who
This little bastard is.
574
00:25:10,517 --> 00:25:12,034
I've arrested him before.
575
00:25:16,689 --> 00:25:25,448
♪♪
576
00:25:25,448 --> 00:25:27,482
Demery: I've got access to
The victim's phone
577
00:25:27,482 --> 00:25:28,965
And when I get in the phone,
578
00:25:28,965 --> 00:25:32,310
I realize that his last contact
Was with a breonne whitaker.
579
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:35,068
You know,
I know him.
580
00:25:35,068 --> 00:25:37,827
I remember whitaker because
I've arrested him before.
581
00:25:40,068 --> 00:25:41,965
I distinctly remember this case
582
00:25:41,965 --> 00:25:44,551
Because of
The sheer brutality of it.
583
00:25:44,551 --> 00:25:46,000
[ chuckles ]
Check out the old dude.
584
00:25:47,206 --> 00:25:48,448
Rodgers: in that case,
585
00:25:48,448 --> 00:25:51,137
Breonne and a couple of
His other friends,
586
00:25:51,137 --> 00:25:53,931
They were out walking around
In the neighborhood
587
00:25:53,931 --> 00:25:55,689
And there was this
Older gentleman,
588
00:25:55,689 --> 00:26:01,137
Mr. Kennedy, who picks up cans,
Might be homeless.
589
00:26:01,137 --> 00:26:02,517
Yo, you stink.
590
00:26:04,172 --> 00:26:06,172
Yo, man,
You need to get a job.
591
00:26:06,172 --> 00:26:08,172
-yo, you stink.
-[ laughs ]
592
00:26:08,172 --> 00:26:11,275
Why don't you boys go on
And respect your elders?
593
00:26:12,379 --> 00:26:15,034
Mr. Kennedy was telling breonne
And his friends
594
00:26:15,034 --> 00:26:17,448
On how they should act
As young men.
595
00:26:17,448 --> 00:26:19,655
They took offense to that.
596
00:26:19,655 --> 00:26:21,137
Who you talking to,
Old man?
597
00:26:22,413 --> 00:26:24,206
I fought in vietnam.
I shed blood for this country.
598
00:26:24,206 --> 00:26:25,482
What do you punks do?
599
00:26:25,482 --> 00:26:26,896
Punks?
600
00:26:26,896 --> 00:26:28,034
Who you talking to?
601
00:26:28,034 --> 00:26:32,655
♪♪
602
00:26:32,655 --> 00:26:34,620
Rodgers: he punched mr. Kennedy
In the face,
603
00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:37,896
And mr. Kennedy took the back
Of his head on the concrete.
604
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,482
Demery:
The man died from the blow,
605
00:26:42,482 --> 00:26:45,448
And breonne was charged
With manslaughter.
606
00:26:45,448 --> 00:26:46,896
Come on, brother,
Let's go!
607
00:26:48,965 --> 00:26:50,448
Being that he was 14 years old,
608
00:26:50,448 --> 00:26:52,758
He was sentenced to
The maximum sentence
609
00:26:52,758 --> 00:26:54,896
Available to a juvenile
At that age.
610
00:26:54,896 --> 00:26:57,206
That was considered to be
Juvenile life.
611
00:26:57,206 --> 00:27:01,931
However, the judge can
Release offenders earlier
612
00:27:01,931 --> 00:27:03,689
If the judge so chooses.
613
00:27:03,689 --> 00:27:06,896
Breonne was released
At the age of 17.
614
00:27:07,931 --> 00:27:09,241
Demery: has he been out of jail
Long enough
615
00:27:09,241 --> 00:27:10,379
To commit these three
Murders or what?
616
00:27:10,379 --> 00:27:13,379
I don't know.
Let's look for a release date.
617
00:27:13,379 --> 00:27:15,482
Rudell: during the timeframe
Of those three murders
618
00:27:15,482 --> 00:27:17,103
That we were now looking at,
619
00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:20,000
Breonne whitaker is
Out of juvenile detention
620
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,758
And free on the streets.
621
00:27:21,758 --> 00:27:23,827
All right,
There's our answer.
622
00:27:23,827 --> 00:27:25,862
Let's go pick up our buddy,
Mr. Whitaker.
623
00:27:29,379 --> 00:27:31,862
Demery: so we head straight to
The house on kent street.
624
00:27:31,862 --> 00:27:41,068
♪♪
625
00:27:41,068 --> 00:27:43,379
As rudell and I go
To whitaker's home,
626
00:27:43,379 --> 00:27:45,448
We decide that we're
Gonna go to the door
627
00:27:45,448 --> 00:27:47,103
And we're gonna have guns drawn.
628
00:27:48,965 --> 00:27:51,517
Because we don't know
Exactly what's gonna happen.
629
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,034
Obviously, it's a possibility
630
00:27:56,034 --> 00:27:57,758
That we're coming into contact
631
00:27:57,758 --> 00:27:59,586
With someone who
Just committed a murder.
632
00:27:59,586 --> 00:28:01,965
We don't know
Their state of mind.
633
00:28:01,965 --> 00:28:04,206
So we're prepared to
Take care of business.
634
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:10,137
What's going on?
635
00:28:10,137 --> 00:28:11,551
Demery:
Breonne's mother answers.
636
00:28:11,551 --> 00:28:13,793
Ma'am, we're with the
Shreveport police department.
637
00:28:13,793 --> 00:28:14,965
We're looking for
Breonne whitaker.
638
00:28:14,965 --> 00:28:17,034
Is he here?
-what's this about?
639
00:28:17,034 --> 00:28:18,344
We'll get to that
In a minute, ma'am.
640
00:28:18,344 --> 00:28:19,620
Where is he?
641
00:28:19,620 --> 00:28:21,103
He's in the next room.
642
00:28:21,103 --> 00:28:23,482
Step away from the door,
Please.
643
00:28:23,482 --> 00:28:33,344
♪♪
644
00:28:33,344 --> 00:28:35,827
Breonne!
645
00:28:35,827 --> 00:28:37,620
Demery:
Breonne's asleep on the couch.
646
00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:39,793
I'm relieved that he's
In a vulnerable position.
647
00:28:39,793 --> 00:28:42,620
At this point,
We're watching for his hands
648
00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:44,724
To make sure he's not
Armed with a weapon.
649
00:28:44,724 --> 00:28:46,620
Breonne!
650
00:28:47,620 --> 00:28:49,275
Breonne!
651
00:28:49,275 --> 00:28:52,758
He didn't respond, and then
I yelled it a third time.
652
00:28:52,758 --> 00:28:54,689
Breonne!
653
00:28:54,689 --> 00:28:56,724
He's now moving around.
654
00:28:56,724 --> 00:28:58,344
I tell him to get up.
655
00:28:58,344 --> 00:28:59,689
Show me your hands.
656
00:28:59,689 --> 00:29:01,103
Show -- slow.
-easy.
657
00:29:01,103 --> 00:29:04,241
Show me your hands slow.
658
00:29:04,241 --> 00:29:06,482
Easy.
Okay, now stand up.
659
00:29:06,482 --> 00:29:08,620
He got up.
660
00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:10,241
He was shirtless,
661
00:29:10,241 --> 00:29:12,482
So it was easy to
See his waistband
662
00:29:12,482 --> 00:29:14,793
And he wasn't armed,
So I holstered my firearm
663
00:29:14,793 --> 00:29:16,172
And then got him outside.
664
00:29:20,241 --> 00:29:21,551
This about that punk?
665
00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:25,241
His first utterance is,
"Is this about that punk?"
666
00:29:25,241 --> 00:29:27,724
And in the south,
667
00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:31,137
Or at least in shreveport
In some neighborhoods,
668
00:29:31,137 --> 00:29:35,482
A derogatory way to refer
To a gay man is a punk.
669
00:29:35,482 --> 00:29:39,068
I realize that he knew exactly
What I was talking about.
670
00:29:39,068 --> 00:29:42,896
Before we go any further,
I need to read you your rights.
671
00:29:42,896 --> 00:29:45,275
You have the right
To remain silent.
672
00:29:45,275 --> 00:29:46,827
After I advise
Him of his rights,
673
00:29:46,827 --> 00:29:48,482
I just let him talk.
674
00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:52,517
He told me that his friend
And the victim
675
00:29:52,517 --> 00:29:54,724
Had some sort of argument,
676
00:29:54,724 --> 00:29:59,103
And his friend
Shot the victim.
677
00:29:59,103 --> 00:30:01,379
So, now, why did your
Friend shoot him?
678
00:30:01,379 --> 00:30:02,551
I don't know.
679
00:30:02,551 --> 00:30:03,655
Jimmy and the punk
Was just fighting,
680
00:30:03,655 --> 00:30:06,137
And jimmy shot the punk.
681
00:30:06,137 --> 00:30:09,517
I know
Whitaker's lying to me.
682
00:30:09,517 --> 00:30:12,620
I know who he's talking about,
And he's locked up.
683
00:30:12,620 --> 00:30:13,931
He was in jail at
The time of the crime,
684
00:30:13,931 --> 00:30:15,862
So I know
That's not possible.
685
00:30:15,862 --> 00:30:17,793
Jimmy lives around here?
686
00:30:17,793 --> 00:30:20,310
Yeah, not too far.
687
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:22,896
Okay.
Got an address for him?
688
00:30:22,896 --> 00:30:26,689
-nah.
-you don't have an address?
689
00:30:26,689 --> 00:30:29,551
Some of the statements that
He gives me are not truthful,
690
00:30:29,551 --> 00:30:30,896
But I'm not gonna
Interrupt him.
691
00:30:30,896 --> 00:30:33,172
I want to keep that conversation
And that flow going.
692
00:30:33,172 --> 00:30:36,241
It's better to get him
Telling me what happened
693
00:30:36,241 --> 00:30:39,103
And getting whatever evidence
I can collect.
694
00:30:39,103 --> 00:30:41,103
Then I go back
And punch holes in his story
695
00:30:41,103 --> 00:30:43,896
And try to find out
What's actually true
696
00:30:43,896 --> 00:30:45,448
And what's not.
697
00:30:45,448 --> 00:30:49,551
Now this guy that jimmy shot,
Something happened to his ear.
698
00:30:49,551 --> 00:30:51,310
You know what happened?
699
00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:54,000
I bring up the fact that
The victim, henderson,
700
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,689
Had an earring ripped
From his ear at one point.
701
00:30:56,689 --> 00:30:58,275
And whitaker told me
About a fight
702
00:30:58,275 --> 00:31:00,310
That he had
Had with henderson.
703
00:31:00,310 --> 00:31:03,103
Jimmy and this punk
Was on my back porch,
704
00:31:03,103 --> 00:31:07,206
Like,
Doing nasty stuff.
705
00:31:07,206 --> 00:31:09,068
What kind of nasty stuff?
706
00:31:09,965 --> 00:31:12,137
Don't make me say it,
Man.
707
00:31:12,137 --> 00:31:15,448
Brother, I need you to be
As specific as possible.
708
00:31:15,448 --> 00:31:18,310
Rodgers: breonne says he
Came out looking for his friend,
709
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:23,000
And he found fred
Performing oral sex on him.
710
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,931
Hey, what the hell
Y'all doing out here?
711
00:31:24,931 --> 00:31:27,068
Y'all think this is a game,
Huh?
712
00:31:27,068 --> 00:31:30,344
Breonne and fred,
For whatever reason,
713
00:31:30,344 --> 00:31:31,724
Have a fight.
714
00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:34,275
-what you doing on my porch?
-none of your business.
715
00:31:34,275 --> 00:31:35,379
Get off me.
716
00:31:35,379 --> 00:31:39,965
[ groans ]
717
00:31:39,965 --> 00:31:44,379
And during that fight,
Breonne rips out fred's earring.
718
00:31:44,379 --> 00:31:47,310
Then he ran off.
That's it.
719
00:31:48,344 --> 00:31:50,965
Now, he corroborated the story
That I already got,
720
00:31:50,965 --> 00:31:54,068
So I knew that he was
The person I was looking for.
721
00:31:54,068 --> 00:31:57,655
If you're the one
Who got into the fight,
722
00:31:57,655 --> 00:31:59,413
Why did jimmy shoot him?
723
00:31:59,413 --> 00:32:02,379
I don't know.
Maybe jimmy didn't shoot him.
724
00:32:02,379 --> 00:32:04,586
Was it you?
725
00:32:04,586 --> 00:32:06,517
Did you shoot him?
726
00:32:06,517 --> 00:32:08,448
At this point, I have
Breonne where I want him.
727
00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:09,965
His story's not adding up.
728
00:32:09,965 --> 00:32:11,758
It's time to tell me the truth,
Breonne.
729
00:32:15,965 --> 00:32:24,034
♪♪
730
00:32:24,034 --> 00:32:26,517
Demery: breonne whitaker
Could possibly be
731
00:32:26,517 --> 00:32:28,793
The person involved in
Two previous murders
732
00:32:28,793 --> 00:32:31,000
Where two homosexual
Or cross-dressing men
733
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,206
Were killed in shreveport.
734
00:32:32,206 --> 00:32:35,034
[ screams ]
735
00:32:35,034 --> 00:32:37,275
Now we have a third homicide,
736
00:32:37,275 --> 00:32:39,827
And I believe that breonne
Was the one responsible
737
00:32:39,827 --> 00:32:41,896
For the shooting of
Frederick henderson.
738
00:32:41,896 --> 00:32:44,310
And now I need to
Get him to admit it.
739
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:46,379
Was it you?
740
00:32:46,379 --> 00:32:48,034
Did you shoot him?
741
00:32:50,068 --> 00:32:52,275
Yeah, it was me.
742
00:32:53,344 --> 00:32:55,172
Whitaker corrected the story
743
00:32:55,172 --> 00:32:56,931
And told me that he was
The one that actually
744
00:32:56,931 --> 00:32:59,241
Shot and killed henderson.
745
00:32:59,241 --> 00:33:02,413
Would you go get that
Camcorder for me, please?
746
00:33:02,413 --> 00:33:05,448
Once whitaker is giving me
Information about this homicide,
747
00:33:05,448 --> 00:33:07,206
I want to make sure
It's documented.
748
00:33:07,206 --> 00:33:10,206
Now, what about that gun?
Man, where is that?
749
00:33:10,206 --> 00:33:12,379
I can show you
If you want.
750
00:33:12,379 --> 00:33:14,379
Okay.
751
00:33:14,379 --> 00:33:18,172
I want the weapon that
Would physically prove
752
00:33:18,172 --> 00:33:20,517
That whitaker was
Absolutely there.
753
00:33:20,517 --> 00:33:22,448
And the fact that he knew
Where the weapon was,
754
00:33:22,448 --> 00:33:23,931
It would solidify his story
755
00:33:23,931 --> 00:33:26,275
And corroborate everything
He said with physical evidence.
756
00:33:26,275 --> 00:33:29,827
Now let's see
About that gun.
757
00:33:29,827 --> 00:33:31,724
Whitaker tells me
That the firearm is
758
00:33:31,724 --> 00:33:34,241
Right next door at
An abandoned house.
759
00:33:37,482 --> 00:33:39,034
We're just feet away from it.
760
00:33:42,068 --> 00:33:43,689
I have
A crime-scene investigator
761
00:33:43,689 --> 00:33:46,275
With a video camera documenting
The recovery of the weapon.
762
00:33:55,206 --> 00:33:58,448
It's a 9-millimeter
Semiautomatic pistol.
763
00:33:58,448 --> 00:34:01,103
I know from the autopsy
That henderson was shot
764
00:34:01,103 --> 00:34:02,862
With a 9-millimeter pistol.
765
00:34:02,862 --> 00:34:05,827
So this is most likely the
Weapon that killed henderson.
766
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:08,482
Okay, breonne,
You have the clothes
767
00:34:08,482 --> 00:34:10,000
You were wearing
Last night?
768
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,931
-yes, sir.
-where are they?
769
00:34:11,931 --> 00:34:14,068
-my room.
-okay, let's go inside
770
00:34:14,068 --> 00:34:17,413
And get them, and then we can
Talk about what happened.
771
00:34:17,413 --> 00:34:20,034
The next thing I want is
Whitaker's clothing collected
772
00:34:20,034 --> 00:34:21,689
For any evidence
That may be on it.
773
00:34:21,689 --> 00:34:24,137
Maybe blood spatter
Or forensic evidence
774
00:34:24,137 --> 00:34:27,000
That he had contact
With henderson.
775
00:34:40,896 --> 00:34:42,482
I wanted him to
Be honest with me
776
00:34:42,482 --> 00:34:44,275
And tell me exactly what
Happened and what was going on.
777
00:35:04,206 --> 00:35:07,137
Breonne said that he had been
Talking to fred through facebook
778
00:35:07,137 --> 00:35:09,758
And fred picked him up
Sometime that night.
779
00:35:21,448 --> 00:35:22,896
It says something about a person
780
00:35:22,896 --> 00:35:25,241
That's willing to tell you
That they [bleep] Shot somebody
781
00:35:25,241 --> 00:35:27,275
But they're scared to tell you
They had a sexual relationship
782
00:35:27,275 --> 00:35:28,448
With somebody
Of the same sex.
783
00:35:34,275 --> 00:35:36,689
At one point in
Whitaker's story,
784
00:35:36,689 --> 00:35:38,896
He said that he feared henderson
785
00:35:38,896 --> 00:35:43,724
Because henderson told him that
He was gonna have him sexually.
786
00:35:53,896 --> 00:35:55,517
Whitaker said that
Because he felt
787
00:35:55,517 --> 00:35:58,034
Like he was gonna be
Sexually assaulted by henderson,
788
00:35:58,034 --> 00:35:59,103
He shot him.
789
00:36:00,931 --> 00:36:03,448
At this point, I knew
That whitaker's story
790
00:36:03,448 --> 00:36:05,551
Was completely illogical
Because I knew
791
00:36:05,551 --> 00:36:07,344
He had actually been the person
792
00:36:07,344 --> 00:36:09,827
Who physically
Beat henderson up,
793
00:36:09,827 --> 00:36:13,137
So the fact that he was saying
That he was afraid of henderson
794
00:36:13,137 --> 00:36:14,862
Because he feared some
Sort of sexual assault
795
00:36:14,862 --> 00:36:16,172
Just didn't make any sense.
796
00:36:23,896 --> 00:36:25,103
Towards the end
Of the interview,
797
00:36:25,103 --> 00:36:26,793
He told me he did, in fact,
798
00:36:26,793 --> 00:36:30,448
Have a sexual relationship
With henderson.
799
00:36:32,241 --> 00:36:35,724
According to breonne,
It was a relationship
800
00:36:35,724 --> 00:36:39,586
Where breonne would allow fred
To perform oral sex on him.
801
00:36:43,482 --> 00:36:46,310
Demery: he told me they had sex
In a wooded area
802
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:49,965
About a couple of miles
From the crime scene.
803
00:36:49,965 --> 00:36:53,724
It was off-road,
And that corroborated the fact
804
00:36:53,724 --> 00:36:56,241
That the foliage
And the shrubbery in the car
805
00:36:56,241 --> 00:37:00,034
Was consistent with when
The victim's body was found.
806
00:37:00,034 --> 00:37:02,896
Henderson: come on,
Take off your clothes.
807
00:37:02,896 --> 00:37:04,827
He told us that henderson
Kept trying to get him
808
00:37:04,827 --> 00:37:06,482
To have sex with him.
809
00:37:08,344 --> 00:37:12,620
They tried to have intercourse
But was not able to.
810
00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:17,379
At that point, he was taking
Him back towards his house.
811
00:37:17,379 --> 00:37:19,448
Come on, let's go to
The park down the street.
812
00:37:19,448 --> 00:37:22,586
Breonne's claim is
Fred is being very adamant
813
00:37:22,586 --> 00:37:24,379
That breonne shouldn't leave.
814
00:37:24,379 --> 00:37:27,310
Come on, we can go get a drink
And have some more fun.
815
00:37:27,310 --> 00:37:28,413
Come on.
-no.
816
00:37:28,413 --> 00:37:31,448
And when fred grabs
Breonne's shirt...
817
00:37:31,448 --> 00:37:33,724
No, don't go.
Come back.
818
00:37:33,724 --> 00:37:35,655
-hey, get off me.
-come back.
819
00:37:35,655 --> 00:37:40,413
...He thought that fred was
Going to do something to him.
820
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:45,724
[ gasps ]
821
00:37:45,724 --> 00:37:48,655
He pulled a firearm,
Pointed it at henderson,
822
00:37:48,655 --> 00:37:50,896
And he shot him.
823
00:37:50,896 --> 00:37:52,931
Shortly after the shooting,
824
00:37:52,931 --> 00:37:57,448
Henderson involuntarily drove
Off and lost consciousness.
825
00:37:57,448 --> 00:37:59,137
[ glass shatters ]
826
00:37:59,137 --> 00:38:02,758
[ sirens wailing ]
827
00:38:02,758 --> 00:38:04,482
Whitaker went home,
828
00:38:04,482 --> 00:38:07,793
Put the gun in a place
He thought was safe,
829
00:38:07,793 --> 00:38:09,758
Got in bed,
830
00:38:09,758 --> 00:38:10,931
And went to sleep.
831
00:38:16,517 --> 00:38:17,793
And now I know some
Of the statements
832
00:38:17,793 --> 00:38:19,827
That he gives me
Are not completely truthful,
833
00:38:19,827 --> 00:38:21,758
That he may be
Making some parts up,
834
00:38:21,758 --> 00:38:23,172
But the long and short of it was
835
00:38:23,172 --> 00:38:27,103
Is that he told me
That he shot henderson.
836
00:38:29,724 --> 00:38:32,241
I drove him back to
The police station.
837
00:38:32,241 --> 00:38:36,793
Now I want to find out what
I can about the other cases.
838
00:38:39,413 --> 00:38:43,241
I had a pretty good rapport
With whitaker at this point
839
00:38:43,241 --> 00:38:46,724
And I'm trying to get and gather
All information I can from him
840
00:38:46,724 --> 00:38:49,034
Before he decides that
He wants to shut down
841
00:38:49,034 --> 00:38:51,931
And doesn't want to talk
Or cooperate anymore.
842
00:38:51,931 --> 00:38:54,241
Demery: so, I'm investigating
Some other shootings
843
00:38:54,241 --> 00:38:56,241
That just happened in the area.
844
00:38:56,241 --> 00:38:58,965
Somebody named golston
And mckinney.
845
00:38:59,862 --> 00:39:01,896
What can you tell me
About that?
846
00:39:01,896 --> 00:39:04,862
I had heard about them,
But I don't know too much.
847
00:39:04,862 --> 00:39:06,965
He told me he was aware
848
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:09,793
Of the killing of golston...
849
00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:17,517
...But that he heard the gunshot
Where mckinney was shot.
850
00:39:17,517 --> 00:39:19,586
So you heard
The gunshot?
851
00:39:19,586 --> 00:39:24,551
Yeah, my baby mama live over
Where he got killed, so.
852
00:39:24,551 --> 00:39:26,310
He gave me some specific details
853
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:29,517
Of where he was shot
And how he was dressed.
854
00:39:33,068 --> 00:39:34,896
I figured
He had to have known
855
00:39:34,896 --> 00:39:37,241
Or was there when it happened.
856
00:39:38,413 --> 00:39:40,896
Whitaker was
The common denominator
857
00:39:40,896 --> 00:39:43,103
In all those murders.
858
00:39:43,103 --> 00:39:45,137
So at that point,
I was pretty certain
859
00:39:45,137 --> 00:39:47,724
That he was responsible for
The other two homicides.
860
00:39:47,724 --> 00:39:49,931
I didn't have my gun on me,
But if I had,
861
00:39:49,931 --> 00:39:52,344
I would have taken
That neighbor dog out.
862
00:39:52,344 --> 00:39:54,034
You would have
Shot the dog?
863
00:39:54,034 --> 00:39:56,172
Hey, guys, you know,
You're gonna need
864
00:39:56,172 --> 00:39:58,517
To talk to whitaker
'cause, uh...
865
00:40:02,551 --> 00:40:04,000
'cause I'm pretty certain
He's the one
866
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,862
Who killed henderson
And mckinney.
867
00:40:06,862 --> 00:40:08,655
We'll look into it.
868
00:40:08,655 --> 00:40:11,793
Okay.
We're on it.
869
00:40:13,827 --> 00:40:16,379
See those wings are about
All you can handle, huh?
870
00:40:20,655 --> 00:40:22,827
When I gave up the information,
My hope was
871
00:40:22,827 --> 00:40:25,793
The detectives were gonna
Draw the same conclusion
872
00:40:25,793 --> 00:40:28,517
And figure out a way to
Make those other two cases
873
00:40:28,517 --> 00:40:30,275
Work with whitaker.
874
00:40:30,275 --> 00:40:32,379
I don't know that they
Acted on the information
875
00:40:32,379 --> 00:40:34,896
But to this day,
The murders of terry golston
876
00:40:34,896 --> 00:40:39,034
And jock mckinney are still
Unsolved, open cases.
877
00:40:39,034 --> 00:40:46,689
♪♪
878
00:40:46,689 --> 00:40:48,310
Whitaker may have gotten
Away with the murders
879
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:51,551
Of terry golston
And jock mckinney,
880
00:40:51,551 --> 00:40:53,206
But when it came to my case,
881
00:40:53,206 --> 00:40:55,482
The murder of
Frederick henderson,
882
00:40:55,482 --> 00:40:59,482
Justice was served.
883
00:40:59,482 --> 00:41:02,241
Rodgers: breonne was convicted
Of 2nd-degree murder,
884
00:41:02,241 --> 00:41:05,586
And he was sentenced to
The mandatory life sentence.
885
00:41:09,965 --> 00:41:13,862
Nothing fred did to deserve
To get killed --
886
00:41:13,862 --> 00:41:15,620
Nothing.
887
00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:17,344
Was he perfect?
888
00:41:17,344 --> 00:41:20,241
No, but he was my baby.
889
00:41:20,241 --> 00:41:23,344
He wasn't out killing.
He wasn't out robbing.
890
00:41:23,344 --> 00:41:28,724
He was out having a good time
For his age, 23 years old.
891
00:41:28,724 --> 00:41:32,379
And for you to take
An innocent life
892
00:41:32,379 --> 00:41:36,310
And you destroy it,
It's hard.
893
00:41:36,310 --> 00:41:39,068
Demery:
I thought about this case,
894
00:41:39,068 --> 00:41:43,137
And I don't know that I ever
Figured out the reason why
895
00:41:43,137 --> 00:41:46,586
That someone like breonne
Could have a sexual relationship
896
00:41:46,586 --> 00:41:50,413
With someone
That he truly desires
897
00:41:50,413 --> 00:41:52,586
But at the same time
Truly despises.
898
00:41:52,586 --> 00:41:54,068
I think he was afraid
899
00:41:54,068 --> 00:41:55,827
Of what people would have
Thought of him.
900
00:41:55,827 --> 00:41:57,344
And I think he went to the point
901
00:41:57,344 --> 00:42:02,206
Where he would kill him so
That he couldn't tell anybody.
902
00:42:02,206 --> 00:42:04,344
I really think that
He had a problem
903
00:42:04,344 --> 00:42:05,965
With his own sexuality.
904
00:42:05,965 --> 00:42:08,137
He would give in
To his temptation
905
00:42:08,137 --> 00:42:10,862
And within himself
Feel so guilty about it
906
00:42:10,862 --> 00:42:15,034
That he took it out on henderson
And made him a victim.
907
00:42:16,827 --> 00:42:18,758
The fact is that
The murders didn't start
908
00:42:18,758 --> 00:42:22,448
Until whitaker got
Released from jail,
909
00:42:22,448 --> 00:42:24,965
And they ended when
He went to jail.
910
00:42:24,965 --> 00:42:28,241
So it's pretty clear that
Breonne was on a path to
911
00:42:28,241 --> 00:42:32,793
Kill men that lived
That alternative lifestyle.
912
00:42:35,724 --> 00:42:39,275
And I'm just thankful that
I was able to stop him.
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