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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:01:16,624 --> 00:01:28,957 A professor told me that I look South Korean by appearance, but I was North Korean by heart. 4 00:01:32,557 --> 00:01:36,290 I replied, "Yeah, you are right. 5 00:01:36,790 --> 00:01:41,124 I am a North Korean inside out, 6 00:01:41,824 --> 00:01:45,824 and I don't want to deny it." 7 00:03:05,390 --> 00:03:11,890 I want my friends and family back in North Korea to live a better life. 8 00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:23,224 I long for a world where people in North Korea and South Korea live peacefully. 9 00:03:26,124 --> 00:03:31,490 It's not like I'm putting myself in danger on purpose. 10 00:03:31,524 --> 00:03:35,724 I've just been doing what I have to do. 11 00:03:40,390 --> 00:03:43,124 This is just what I'm destined for. 12 00:05:07,490 --> 00:05:19,124 Whenever I come to China, the nervousness and fear that I had 10 years ago comes right back. 13 00:05:20,190 --> 00:05:27,490 Of course it's less than it was 10 years ago, but that memory is still vivid. 14 00:05:29,424 --> 00:05:33,490 I feel like every time I come back to China it will be like this. 15 00:06:02,990 --> 00:06:07,490 I work in hiding, but also publicly. 16 00:06:10,924 --> 00:06:13,557 That's what makes art so fun. 17 00:06:13,557 --> 00:06:16,124 Even if you work in the dark, it doesn't stay in the dark. 18 00:06:16,124 --> 00:06:19,224 It becomes public. 19 00:06:19,557 --> 00:06:20,690 It's fun. 20 00:06:20,690 --> 00:06:21,924 I like it. 21 00:06:31,924 --> 00:06:37,224 I had my first exhibition upon graduating college. 22 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:42,124 It caught the media's attention. 23 00:06:42,124 --> 00:06:50,124 Then during my first solo exhibition, the media came again and wrote about my artwork. 24 00:07:07,690 --> 00:07:09,390 I created a piece, 25 00:07:09,390 --> 00:07:15,724 there's a bedridden Kim Jong Il, and a kid is handing him a coke bottle. 26 00:07:15,724 --> 00:07:18,690 It's called 'Take Some Medicine.’ 27 00:07:18,690 --> 00:07:20,624 That was published in Time magazine. 28 00:07:35,224 --> 00:07:37,824 So far I've had exhibits in 29 00:07:45,157 --> 00:07:47,190 Berlin. 30 00:07:55,490 --> 00:08:05,224 Interviewer: Why don't you show your face? 31 00:08:09,157 --> 00:08:12,990 Well, if I showed my face in public 32 00:08:13,490 --> 00:08:18,924 it is clear that my parents and siblings living in North Korea 33 00:08:19,424 --> 00:08:21,990 will be in danger. 34 00:08:22,290 --> 00:08:27,124 This damn world hasn't allowed me to present myself publicly, 35 00:08:27,557 --> 00:08:31,124 That's the only reason I can't reveal who I am. 36 00:08:36,875 --> 00:08:43,375 "There is nothing to envy in the world." 37 00:09:20,524 --> 00:09:25,990 When I first met him, I didn't like him that much. 38 00:09:26,824 --> 00:09:30,024 He came wearing socks that had holes in them 39 00:09:30,024 --> 00:09:33,224 and it was winter, so he wore two sets of long johns, 40 00:09:33,224 --> 00:09:35,124 and two sweaters, 41 00:09:35,124 --> 00:09:39,857 and a jacket that had lost all its insulating cotton. 42 00:09:43,190 --> 00:09:45,857 We started dating 43 00:09:46,124 --> 00:09:47,357 and I was so curious. 44 00:09:47,357 --> 00:09:49,490 It was my first time meeting a defector. 45 00:09:49,490 --> 00:09:52,124 I didn't even know there was such a thing as a North Korean defector. 46 00:09:52,124 --> 00:09:55,690 I also had experienced a lot of heartbreak within my family. 47 00:09:55,857 --> 00:09:58,857 But I realized he had experienced a different kind of heartbreak. 48 00:10:06,024 --> 00:10:09,757 My kids are so blessed to have Sun Mu as a dad. 49 00:10:10,957 --> 00:10:13,833 He's very thoughtful, and is like a friend to them. 50 00:10:51,890 --> 00:10:55,257 One time, they asked where their grandma was. 51 00:10:57,690 --> 00:11:00,957 So I wanted to express that situation. 52 00:11:01,357 --> 00:11:07,124 Grandma is in that neighborhood up north, but we can't go because of the barbed wire. 53 00:11:12,124 --> 00:11:16,124 This is my first daughter. 54 00:11:16,390 --> 00:11:23,824 Whenever talk of her grandma comes up, she wants to send a letter in the mail, 55 00:11:23,824 --> 00:11:26,357 but it can't be delivered. 56 00:11:27,490 --> 00:11:31,590 So I expressed the reality of north and south through this. 57 00:12:10,457 --> 00:12:17,324 In North Korea there's no such thing as contemporary art. 58 00:12:27,957 --> 00:12:34,224 His experiences in North Korea are part of his style 59 00:12:34,724 --> 00:12:40,124 but what he has felt here in the south has also been mixed into his style. 60 00:12:46,457 --> 00:12:52,791 If Korean reunification were to suddenly happen, I think it would resemble Sun Mu's paintings. 61 00:13:44,390 --> 00:13:46,124 My name is Cui Xianji. 62 00:13:47,690 --> 00:13:52,124 This is a retrospective of my artwork. 63 00:13:53,757 --> 00:13:56,824 A retrospective of an artist in his 50s, 64 00:13:56,824 --> 00:14:06,590 and I get to show and look back on all the artwork I have made thus far. 65 00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:17,490 Because I'm second generation Korean-Chinese 66 00:14:18,190 --> 00:14:21,624 I know Korea better than other Chinese people, 67 00:14:22,590 --> 00:14:27,690 and I know China better than any other Koreans. 68 00:14:36,324 --> 00:14:40,124 It was 2008 when I originally met Sun Mu. 69 00:14:40,124 --> 00:14:44,224 I was at the Busan Biennale in 2008 70 00:14:45,590 --> 00:14:48,124 and there was an incident. 71 00:14:48,124 --> 00:14:54,124 The night before the opening ceremony, Sun Mu's painting was withdrawn. 72 00:15:00,190 --> 00:15:02,957 The flag is upside down. 73 00:15:02,957 --> 00:15:09,857 The flag suggests the country is backwards. 74 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:26,457 My hands were trembling when I was painting this piece. 75 00:15:26,457 --> 00:15:32,024 I always had a fear that someone might sneak up behind me and stab me. 76 00:15:32,457 --> 00:15:34,457 It took a lot of courage. 77 00:15:36,757 --> 00:15:41,324 There can be a fight between the artist and the audience. 78 00:15:41,957 --> 00:15:45,490 And in this fight based on misunderstanding, I was in the middle. 79 00:15:45,490 --> 00:15:48,957 Only I could understand both sides. 80 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:56,257 People make it all politicized whenever there is any image of North Korea. 81 00:15:57,224 --> 00:15:59,124 But that's my life story. 82 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:35,990 My name is Liang Kegang. I am the director of Beijing Yuan Art Museum. 83 00:16:36,824 --> 00:16:44,890 I have worked at the Yuan Gallery for three years, and the gallery has been here for six years. 84 00:16:45,490 --> 00:16:53,324 Last year, artist Cui Xianji introduced me to Sun Mu. 85 00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:59,124 When I heard that he is an artist who defected from North Korea, I became very interested. 86 00:17:06,589 --> 00:17:18,522 In Beijing, there are many North Korean artists who draw their government's propaganda. 87 00:17:19,290 --> 00:17:21,490 Those paintings look very funny 88 00:17:21,490 --> 00:17:28,290 They are like the Chinese propaganda of 40 years ago during the Cultural Revolution. 89 00:17:28,290 --> 00:17:36,490 I had never met an artist who escaped North Korea and now does real contemporary art. 90 00:17:53,690 --> 00:17:57,824 Ever since they started the “Six Party Talks,” it's never gone right. 91 00:17:59,124 --> 00:18:04,024 But I was thinking, what if it were little children? 92 00:18:04,024 --> 00:18:08,990 If it were little children, wouldn't they just hold hands and play around together? 93 00:18:12,290 --> 00:18:21,124 He didn't paint the suffering and present only the wounds, 94 00:18:21,124 --> 00:18:30,590 but he painted hope, a beautiful thing. This is very precious. 95 00:18:36,224 --> 00:18:43,490 At the end of 2013, I went to Seoul with Cui Xianji, 96 00:18:44,490 --> 00:18:48,958 and in Seoul, I paid a visit to Sun Mu's studio. 97 00:18:49,624 --> 00:18:56,990 When I entered his studio, it was very good work. I liked it very much. 98 00:18:56,990 --> 00:19:03,624 So I decided to do a solo exhibition for him. 99 00:19:49,324 --> 00:19:55,824 North Korea is bound to know about this exhibit, since there's a North Korean embassy there. 100 00:19:55,824 --> 00:19:59,990 To be honest, this exhibition worries me a lot. 101 00:19:59,990 --> 00:20:04,990 I felt I had to give him my approval, but we will have to be very cautious. 102 00:20:59,124 --> 00:21:08,624 When I first saw the gallery it seemed really big, and I had a lot of stories in my mind. 103 00:21:11,524 --> 00:21:15,490 I thought I want to have an exhibition in a place like this, 104 00:21:16,024 --> 00:21:22,124 I could really go all out in a place like this, especially in Beijing. 105 00:21:25,124 --> 00:21:28,624 An exhibition in China really means a lot to me. 106 00:21:28,624 --> 00:21:34,224 Not only for me, but it will be the same for every defector. 107 00:21:36,524 --> 00:21:45,224 When they heard about the exhibition, other North Korean defectors asked, 108 00:21:45,224 --> 00:21:48,590 "Won't it be dangerous?" 109 00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:51,590 It's on everybody's mind. 110 00:21:51,824 --> 00:21:59,324 I am very concerned about how many risks it will bring me. 111 00:21:59,324 --> 00:22:05,824 It's hard to know because the North Korean government is very unreasonable. 112 00:22:05,824 --> 00:22:13,790 They'd bomb a passenger flight, or kidnap a Japanese teacher so they can teach Japanese in North Korea. 113 00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:36,324 This place means a lot to me. 114 00:23:36,324 --> 00:23:44,124 On my second day in Beijing, I wrote 'heaven' on the wall when I was drunk. 115 00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:59,333 I wanted to support Sun Mu in any possible way. 116 00:24:00,124 --> 00:24:12,890 We were sharing the same space and working together, and it was so much fun. 117 00:24:36,990 --> 00:24:51,790 Growing up, we were in an environment where all the learning was based on Marx, Lenin, and Mao's ideas. 118 00:24:53,324 --> 00:24:58,290 But now I value my ideas more than theirs. 119 00:24:59,390 --> 00:25:08,624 Sun Mu has found freedom in this studio, and has found a person who completely supports him. 120 00:25:09,824 --> 00:25:15,924 Without my brother, I don't think I would have been able to have my exhibition in Beijing. 121 00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:19,390 That's real barbed wire. 122 00:25:19,390 --> 00:25:21,024 Did you take them from the DMZ border? 123 00:25:21,024 --> 00:25:22,124 - Yes. - Psh. 124 00:25:22,124 --> 00:25:25,124 It's really from the border! That's why it means so much! 125 00:25:25,124 --> 00:25:27,924 Be careful! The barbs are really sharp. I don't want you to get hurt. 126 00:25:38,024 --> 00:25:47,424 They had just replaced the barbed wires that used to fence off the DMZ. 127 00:25:47,424 --> 00:25:53,190 Think about it, those fences were there for decades. 128 00:25:55,290 --> 00:26:02,824 I felt like I could say many things with these old barbed wires, so I took some. 129 00:26:04,324 --> 00:26:08,124 I made flowers using the wires. 130 00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:44,690 Interviewer: When you left North Korea for China 131 00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:49,224 what was the thing that surprised you most? 132 00:26:49,790 --> 00:26:51,690 Lights. 133 00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:55,490 The glittering lights. 134 00:26:56,624 --> 00:26:59,990 Plastic bags blowing in the wind. 135 00:27:03,124 --> 00:27:06,190 Is this rotten capitalism? 136 00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:10,724 Is this the rotten capitalism the North has been talking about? 137 00:27:11,790 --> 00:27:15,790 Why are so many lights on? 138 00:27:18,490 --> 00:27:27,124 I thought, "Did I make the wrong decision? 139 00:27:27,124 --> 00:27:31,790 Maybe what I see isn't reality?" 140 00:27:31,790 --> 00:27:35,990 In my heart I still believed Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il. 141 00:28:14,124 --> 00:28:23,124 Interviewer: How long was it before you realized what you learned in North Korea was a lie? 142 00:28:27,490 --> 00:28:28,824 About 10 years. 143 00:28:28,824 --> 00:28:30,724 Still to this day. 144 00:29:29,624 --> 00:29:33,224 This is me when I was young. 145 00:29:33,224 --> 00:29:39,824 I used to sing since preschool. 146 00:29:44,224 --> 00:29:50,624 I was on a team that travels all over North Korea, 147 00:29:50,624 --> 00:29:58,024 performing in front of whole schools, or whole villages, pretty much anywhere. 148 00:30:06,290 --> 00:30:09,624 Around the age of 8 or 9 149 00:30:09,624 --> 00:30:13,424 I turned on the TV and saw Kim Il Sung 150 00:30:13,424 --> 00:30:21,490 with a bunch of kids who had excelled at singing, dancing, painting, and writing. 151 00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:27,290 Kim Il Sung was patting them on the back. 152 00:30:27,290 --> 00:30:30,824 I thought to myself, "I can do that too." 153 00:30:30,824 --> 00:30:32,824 "I can do that well, 154 00:30:33,324 --> 00:30:37,824 and I can give Kim Il Sung pleasure!" 155 00:30:37,824 --> 00:30:41,490 And that's how I started. 156 00:30:53,024 --> 00:30:58,990 Interviewer: Did you ever get punished for drawing something you weren't supposed to draw? 157 00:30:58,990 --> 00:31:02,624 Since I was a good student, I didn't draw anything I wasn't supposed to. 158 00:31:02,624 --> 00:31:05,324 There are things you can't draw. 159 00:31:05,324 --> 00:31:07,824 You can't draw Kim Jong Il, 160 00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:11,624 and you wouldn't even dream about drawing naked women. 161 00:31:18,324 --> 00:31:20,624 I did draw Kim Il Sung once. 162 00:31:20,624 --> 00:31:22,624 It was when I was in high school. 163 00:31:22,624 --> 00:31:25,124 If I got caught, I would have been killed. 164 00:31:25,124 --> 00:31:29,924 So I locked my door and drew Kim Il Sung. 165 00:31:32,490 --> 00:31:35,390 I thought I could draw him well, too. 166 00:31:35,390 --> 00:31:37,324 Even my parents didn't know. 167 00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:42,524 I proved to myself that I have the skills to draw Kim Il Sung exactly like his portrait. 168 00:31:42,524 --> 00:31:45,690 But before it was even dry, I burned it. 169 00:32:01,124 --> 00:32:04,124 When I first joined the army, 170 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:14,324 I learned that they select the ones that are good at writing and drawing from the new recruits. 171 00:32:15,290 --> 00:32:21,524 One day they said, "Stand up if you are good at writing or drawing." 172 00:32:25,924 --> 00:32:28,124 He asked if I could work on a poster for one day. 173 00:32:28,124 --> 00:32:32,590 I answered that I could whip something like that up in an hour. 174 00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:35,190 He didn't believe me at first. 175 00:32:36,624 --> 00:32:40,824 Anyways, they ended up giving me one day to work on this small poster. 176 00:32:41,624 --> 00:32:44,024 I said to them, "I can do this." 177 00:32:44,790 --> 00:32:46,990 So I did it. 178 00:32:47,490 --> 00:32:50,990 They said, "A real talent has joined the military." 179 00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:21,989 The blueprint hasn't been given to me yet. 180 00:34:27,024 --> 00:34:29,989 Cui: So you are thinking about a week for the installation process? 181 00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:33,123 Sun Mu: A week should do it. 182 00:34:33,123 --> 00:34:35,889 I'm going to install everything first 183 00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:37,889 and have my wife come the day before the opening. 184 00:34:37,989 --> 00:34:39,524 Another question, 185 00:34:40,123 --> 00:34:43,123 will he be safe if he lives in Wangjing during the days of the exhibition? 186 00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:46,889 Well, no one has to know who I am, right? 187 00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:49,924 I'm not going to meet anyone. 188 00:34:51,489 --> 00:34:55,623 Ask him if he wants to go out and take a look at my pieces 189 00:34:55,623 --> 00:34:58,890 so he can have an idea of how we would set up. 190 00:34:59,590 --> 00:35:01,190 Okay, let's go. 191 00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:15,590 - The wires become music scores. - Great. 192 00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:19,590 Wow, music comes out too? 193 00:35:20,624 --> 00:35:22,990 Yeah, that's my theme song. 194 00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:38,990 How big is it? 195 00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:41,124 It's 5 meters wide. 196 00:35:42,124 --> 00:35:44,590 I thought I should try this at least once. 197 00:35:51,624 --> 00:35:59,624 I wanted to express the North Korean situation to people as they come into the exhibition. 198 00:35:59,624 --> 00:36:05,590 So I intended to put these words at the entrance so the visitors have to step on the words 199 00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:08,524 before coming in to see my artwork. 200 00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:13,124 The three names representing the supreme dignity of North Korea are written there 201 00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:16,690 Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Un. 202 00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:22,390 No one would even dream about stepping on those names. 203 00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:31,124 I'm sure North Koreans staying in China, like embassy staffers will come. 204 00:36:31,124 --> 00:36:36,590 They will have to step on it if they want to see the exhibition. 205 00:36:37,390 --> 00:36:39,124 That might be pretty funny. 206 00:36:45,424 --> 00:36:48,990 My exhibition won't make this art museum shut down down permanently, right? 207 00:36:48,990 --> 00:36:50,890 I'm okay with my exhibition being shut down... 208 00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:55,124 All this stuff, it's not possible this would shut it down? 209 00:36:56,424 --> 00:36:58,390 He says that's not going to happen. 210 00:37:01,224 --> 00:37:07,990 So many spies are in the Wangjing district, where our art museum is located. 211 00:37:10,724 --> 00:37:16,990 If they know about the information about the exhibition 212 00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:24,224 I think they will find the government to stop it. 213 00:37:51,542 --> 00:37:53,666 Interviewer: So what do you remember from that night? 214 00:37:57,924 --> 00:38:01,124 I don't want to say it. 215 00:38:07,024 --> 00:38:08,124 Sorry. 216 00:38:17,590 --> 00:38:21,490 It has had a big influence on me. 217 00:38:21,490 --> 00:38:32,490 By the next day, we heard that many university students had died in Beijing the night before. 218 00:38:41,590 --> 00:38:50,124 I don't know the exact death toll, because the whole history has been wiped out in China. 219 00:38:56,490 --> 00:39:00,224 In China, it's risky to be a good artist. 220 00:39:02,024 --> 00:39:07,724 I have been taking the risk for over 20 years, since I went to college. 221 00:39:10,490 --> 00:39:24,690 Artists like us are considered sensitive, and are strictly supervised by the government. 222 00:39:41,924 --> 00:39:47,890 This is my daughter. Her name is Liang Xiao Me. 223 00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:51,824 This is my son. 224 00:39:51,824 --> 00:39:58,590 His name is Liang Ji Yen. And we always call him Little Stone. 225 00:40:01,124 --> 00:40:07,490 But in China, to be an artist may be the only way 226 00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:11,590 you can feel a little feeling about freedom. 227 00:40:43,690 --> 00:40:51,124 I've watched various documentaries about space and the universe since defecting. 228 00:40:53,324 --> 00:41:02,890 Watching those, I felt this earth that we live on is a mere speck of dust 229 00:41:03,324 --> 00:41:14,990 but the humans living here are arguing, fighting, and killing each other. 230 00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:20,390 What a shame before the eyes of the aliens. 231 00:41:32,124 --> 00:41:38,124 The stars here are not the same as the stars in my hometown. 232 00:41:39,690 --> 00:41:50,224 There, stars were like a splash of white paint on a black canvas. 233 00:41:50,224 --> 00:41:58,390 There was the Milky Way, and sometimes I could see stars moving, which I later found out were satellites. 234 00:41:59,424 --> 00:42:05,224 That was good. Looking up at the night sky and viewing the stars. 235 00:42:07,124 --> 00:42:16,890 Back then, I dreamt of being an astronaut and visiting the galaxy. 236 00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:24,324 Visiting the moon and stars as an astronaut. 237 00:42:26,624 --> 00:42:28,490 That's when I was young. 238 00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:36,624 Now when I see the night sky, I feel just a fraction of what I felt as a boy. 239 00:42:49,890 --> 00:43:00,390 My hometown was in the countryside so it had mountains, rivers, and goats living in the hills. 240 00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:17,824 After Kim Il Sung died, we had such torrential rainfall and we lost a lot of crops. 241 00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:28,390 The rations provided by the government started getting delayed. 242 00:43:28,824 --> 00:43:30,024 At first it was for 1 month... 243 00:43:30,024 --> 00:43:30,990 2 months... 244 00:43:31,424 --> 00:43:32,124 3 months... 245 00:43:32,124 --> 00:43:34,590 It kept getting delayed. 246 00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:46,890 I don't think it was caused by Kim Il Sung's death. 247 00:43:49,724 --> 00:43:55,924 Maybe Kim Jong Il used all those resources to secure his new regime 248 00:43:55,924 --> 00:43:59,890 or for his leisure. 249 00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:20,724 So many people didn't get the food that should have been distributed. 250 00:44:22,590 --> 00:44:28,590 Every day we'd hear, "So and so in the next house has died." 251 00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:31,690 "And someone in that house died too." 252 00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:36,924 Looking from the outside, they were way too naive. 253 00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:39,790 All they did was work. 254 00:44:39,924 --> 00:44:47,290 But in spite of their hard work, they always struggle for food. 255 00:44:48,424 --> 00:44:50,824 It breaks my heart. 256 00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:40,590 I think this exhibition will become my first step to more exhibitions. 257 00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:44,224 A stepping stone. 258 00:47:44,224 --> 00:47:46,924 A transformation point. 259 00:47:47,124 --> 00:47:54,524 I was not sure if this exhibition would even be possible. 260 00:47:54,924 --> 00:48:02,924 I was nervous that there would be problems before it even starts. 261 00:48:11,124 --> 00:48:18,590 As we installed the work, it hit me that my exhibition will really happen. 262 00:48:20,624 --> 00:48:23,990 So I'm really happy. 263 00:48:31,590 --> 00:48:38,490 I think he is largely motivated by the desire for freedom and a better life. 264 00:48:44,924 --> 00:48:49,124 He is fortunate to have defected successfully, because I guess about 9 out of 10 defectors fail. 265 00:48:49,124 --> 00:48:53,924 And failure could mean death. 266 00:48:55,724 --> 00:48:57,490 This right here... 267 00:48:57,724 --> 00:49:09,390 Once I crossed the Tumen River into China, I started writing down all my thoughts and feelings. 268 00:49:13,390 --> 00:49:15,624 "Today is July 1st. 269 00:49:16,290 --> 00:49:22,624 Under the street lamps, the signs of restaurants are lit up along the street 270 00:49:23,224 --> 00:49:29,324 the light is coming into my empty room where I am sitting at the window, smoking. 271 00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:35,790 Hey, you. What are you thinking about? Are you missing the hometown you've left behind? 272 00:49:35,790 --> 00:49:39,490 Or are you dreaming about the new land you will soon enter? 273 00:49:39,490 --> 00:49:43,590 The cigarette is burned out and I'm left with only ashes. 274 00:49:44,590 --> 00:49:49,290 I flick my ash and stare out the window, silently. 275 00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:52,890 Well, I have no one to talk to anyway." 276 00:49:54,124 --> 00:49:59,924 I didn't have any intention of running away, because I thought North Korea was a great country. 277 00:50:00,590 --> 00:50:03,224 I was just hungry. 278 00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:13,424 One day, I climbed the mountain. 279 00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:18,990 I made it to the top, and the view was overlooking a city in China. 280 00:50:23,524 --> 00:50:27,490 I hid in the tobacco field and waited for night to come. 281 00:50:32,524 --> 00:50:36,624 In that moment, everything including the sound of the insects sounded so loud. 282 00:50:42,424 --> 00:50:44,724 I was staying silent, 283 00:50:44,724 --> 00:50:48,290 nervous that guards might be nearby. 284 00:50:50,290 --> 00:50:53,290 After what felt like an eternity... 285 00:50:53,790 --> 00:50:55,124 Let's go. 286 00:50:55,124 --> 00:50:57,390 I am being too hesitant. 287 00:50:58,324 --> 00:51:02,624 With all my fears and worries, I put my feet into the river. 288 00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:11,124 On the North Korean side the river wasn't that deep 289 00:51:11,124 --> 00:51:15,390 But closer to the Chinese side, the riverbed fell away beneath me. 290 00:51:16,324 --> 00:51:18,124 So I swam. 291 00:51:21,124 --> 00:51:26,124 I was right beneath the Polaris star and the moon. 292 00:51:26,124 --> 00:51:31,490 Looking at them, I started my journey. 293 00:51:47,424 --> 00:51:52,333 Even until right before I crossed the river, I was certain that I'd come back. 294 00:51:53,524 --> 00:51:57,924 But after I crossed the river, I went up the mountain and was wringing out my clothes, 295 00:51:57,924 --> 00:52:01,490 I was looking back at North Korea, 296 00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:06,124 and I thought, "Maybe I won't be able to go back." 297 00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:22,924 If I were to get caught in China, I would get sent back to North Korea anyway. 298 00:52:24,990 --> 00:52:29,890 Well then, South Korea is my land too, so maybe I've got to go to the south. 299 00:52:31,390 --> 00:52:33,290 I thought that way would be better. 300 00:52:33,290 --> 00:52:35,824 Even if I die, it's better to choose my own way. 301 00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:38,124 So I left. 302 00:52:44,624 --> 00:52:48,724 I wanted to go to South Korea, but I didn't know how. 303 00:52:56,224 --> 00:52:59,490 It took about a week to get out of China. 304 00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:08,790 I got close to the border 305 00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:12,724 and I was trying to figure out how to get across. 306 00:53:12,724 --> 00:53:16,390 There was a bus that was going along the border. 307 00:53:18,724 --> 00:53:25,624 I thought if I hop off that bus after about 15 minutes, we would be at the right place. 308 00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:32,190 So that's what I did. I got off and snuck across the border into Laos. 309 00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:55,724 Once I made it safely to Thailand, all I did was art until I went to South Korea. 310 00:53:57,958 --> 00:54:01,124 I still have a few pieces I drew back then. 311 00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:12,124 I was assigned to live in Gongju, South Korea. 312 00:54:12,124 --> 00:54:19,424 I was trying to meet up with South Korean artists, and soon found an art museum in Gongju. 313 00:54:19,890 --> 00:54:25,324 The owner suggested that I apply to a nearby school in Chungnam province 314 00:54:25,324 --> 00:54:30,590 but I wanted to go to a Hongik University in Seoul. 315 00:54:30,590 --> 00:54:37,890 I went there and asked what I had to prepare, and they said the drawing test was all I had to take. 316 00:54:39,024 --> 00:54:41,490 I was confident. 317 00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:45,590 I went back and took the test 318 00:54:45,590 --> 00:54:47,424 and then they sent me my acceptance letter. 319 00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:55,324 "Hong-ik University graduation picture" 320 00:54:57,390 --> 00:55:02,124 I realized that I too have a story to tell the world. 321 00:55:02,124 --> 00:55:09,290 I too have a reason for my existence. 322 00:55:09,790 --> 00:55:13,875 This is all I know how to do, so I'll just keep doing what I do. 323 00:55:14,724 --> 00:55:18,390 I am going to use this to tell my story. 324 00:56:34,167 --> 00:56:38,290 I'm someone who takes risks. 325 00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:45,124 I can't stop an exhibition that I like so much just because of risks. 326 00:56:46,924 --> 00:56:50,990 Whatever, that's my attitude. 327 00:56:58,490 --> 00:57:04,824 Interviewer: Do you think there will be any threats on the day of the event? 328 00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:08,124 Yes. I'm sure there will be a threat. 329 00:57:08,124 --> 00:57:16,490 But I don't want to let them know who this crazy Sun Mu guy is and where he lives. 330 00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:21,590 Sun Mu told me if he got caught, he would kill himself 331 00:57:21,590 --> 00:57:25,324 because he doesn't want to incriminate his family. 332 00:57:25,324 --> 00:57:28,324 He doesn't want the government to find out who he is. 333 00:57:28,524 --> 00:57:32,824 That's why I can't be there as Sun Mu at the opening ceremony. 334 00:57:34,124 --> 00:57:36,324 I can't be there, but my artwork will. 335 00:57:36,324 --> 00:57:38,124 That's the same as me being there. 336 00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:44,624 Interviewer: Can you tell us the meaning of the piece with the fish on a chopping board? 337 00:57:50,590 --> 00:57:54,324 On a huge chopping board, there's a little fish 338 00:57:54,324 --> 00:57:55,890 It's a boring fish 339 00:57:55,890 --> 00:57:59,290 and big knives are pointing their blades at the little fish. 340 00:57:59,290 --> 00:58:02,024 Who knows how that little fish will get sliced up? 341 00:58:02,024 --> 00:58:07,490 I want to talk about how a powerful nation will carve off a bigger chunk with a bigger knife, 342 00:58:07,490 --> 00:58:10,390 and smaller nations get smaller chunks. 343 00:58:26,324 --> 00:58:33,990 Interviewer: Are you worried that your family could be in danger if they are with you? 344 00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:45,290 I do worry a little, but when I'm with them I'm not Sun Mu the artist, I'm just the head of my family. 345 00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:53,324 Well, I'm not sure if the Chinese government would acknowledge that difference. 346 00:58:55,390 --> 00:59:05,190 We will just be a nice happy family traveling around China. 347 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:16,490 Safety is the biggest concern for me, since we're talking about family. 348 00:59:16,824 --> 00:59:24,324 I don't have any room to worry about anything else but the safety of our family. 349 00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:29,224 I hope my husband does well 350 00:59:29,224 --> 00:59:32,924 but to be honest I'm worried about this exhibition. 351 00:59:41,024 --> 00:59:44,190 It's not like I'm putting myself in danger purposely. 352 00:59:44,724 --> 00:59:49,724 I'm just doing what I have to do. 353 01:01:14,424 --> 01:01:19,990 I have to cut this giant board into pieces 354 01:01:23,124 --> 01:01:26,590 all around here. 355 01:01:26,890 --> 01:01:27,924 Isn't it fun? 356 01:01:38,890 --> 01:01:42,375 If we take a look at this piece 357 01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:46,490 It reads, "The view is good, but it's also a good place to live" 358 01:01:46,490 --> 01:01:49,490 And there's a sassy girl looking back. 359 01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:55,690 Her attire of a red scarf and ribbon in her hair 360 01:01:55,690 --> 01:02:00,124 shows that she's a typical North Korean student. 361 01:02:01,390 --> 01:02:04,124 But this "good place to live" is not the North Korea we know. 362 01:02:04,124 --> 01:02:08,990 So when people read this they might ask, "Does the artist even know North Korea?" 363 01:02:09,790 --> 01:02:16,490 Interviewer: What genre do you think Sun Mu belongs to as an artist? 364 01:02:16,990 --> 01:02:20,290 I'll give a simple answer. 365 01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:22,724 Political pop art. 366 01:02:23,390 --> 01:02:27,224 I don't know a thing about pop art. 367 01:02:27,290 --> 01:02:33,490 I just do this, or I do that, whatever I feel like doing. 368 01:02:33,490 --> 01:02:37,290 I have no intention of defining my art as pop art. 369 01:02:37,390 --> 01:02:40,390 I don't know and I'm not interested. 370 01:02:40,490 --> 01:02:44,290 Interviewer: Who is your biggest influence? 371 01:02:44,924 --> 01:02:47,824 I don't have anyone who influences me. 372 01:02:47,824 --> 01:02:49,624 Oh wait, there is. 373 01:02:50,190 --> 01:02:52,924 Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il. 374 01:02:54,724 --> 01:02:57,790 Is that funny? 375 01:03:16,124 --> 01:03:20,890 Wow, the press release on your exhibition has been viewed by 16,000 people. 376 01:03:20,890 --> 01:03:24,690 It's spreading from person to person. 377 01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:28,890 That's cool you can get those numbers. 378 01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:42,390 Tomorrow there will be an opening reception, and after that we have the performance, right? 379 01:03:42,824 --> 01:03:46,290 Yes, maybe like this 380 01:03:46,990 --> 01:03:53,124 First, the opening. We start at four. 381 01:03:53,124 --> 01:03:57,524 But it will be 4:30 when everyone gets here. We won't have much time. 382 01:03:57,524 --> 01:04:03,424 I'll make an opening announcement at 4:30, marking the start of the exhibition. 383 01:04:03,424 --> 01:04:09,124 The first thing to do is play his songs. 384 01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:16,424 After the songs, it's the performance of the children, they will release the flag. 385 01:04:16,724 --> 01:04:21,724 After the performance, it's his thank you speech. 386 01:04:21,890 --> 01:04:25,790 So after the flag performance, we'll hear your words of gratitude. 387 01:04:25,790 --> 01:04:27,124 The one we recorded, right? 388 01:04:27,124 --> 01:04:28,324 Yes. 389 01:04:28,924 --> 01:04:43,990 Tomorrow, I might come with a group of visitors and drift off without letting anyone know. 390 01:04:44,224 --> 01:04:48,290 He's thinking about pretending to be security. 391 01:04:48,324 --> 01:04:49,524 He should get his hair cut. 392 01:04:50,424 --> 01:04:53,790 We better be careful tomorrow. 393 01:04:53,790 --> 01:05:00,190 Since the kids are too young to know what's going on, once they catch sight of Sun Mu 394 01:05:00,190 --> 01:05:03,390 they might give away Sun Mu's identity right away. 395 01:05:03,624 --> 01:05:07,624 So then as soon as the ceremony ends, I'll take the kids upstairs. 396 01:05:18,324 --> 01:05:24,990 I wish he wouldn't come to the opening to be completely honest. 397 01:05:24,990 --> 01:05:30,124 I even had a dream that during the opening he is captured and taken away. 398 01:05:33,290 --> 01:05:37,490 Sometimes I can't sleep because of that fear. 399 01:07:48,490 --> 01:07:55,424 I do want to go to the gallery and see how they've set it up. 400 01:07:57,324 --> 01:08:04,024 But I think the gallery wants me to stay quiet. 401 01:08:05,124 --> 01:08:12,924 So I'll have to lay down this title of Sun Mu for a bit and go there as one of the visitors. 402 01:08:13,624 --> 01:08:16,857 I've put so much effort into all those pieces. 403 01:08:16,857 --> 01:08:25,207 And now we're coming to the opening... 404 01:08:26,924 --> 01:08:36,790 It's sad that I can't stand there in public and say, "I am Sun Mu." 405 01:08:40,124 --> 01:08:42,490 Because that's who I am. 406 01:08:51,292 --> 01:08:53,833 Has anybody from the government come by yet today? 407 01:08:55,250 --> 01:09:00,167 I think maybe in the morning two guys come here. 408 01:09:00,208 --> 01:09:01,792 Want to see first... 409 01:09:01,875 --> 01:09:05,792 I'm not sure who they are but from the clothes 410 01:09:05,833 --> 01:09:07,417 and the feeling... 411 01:09:07,792 --> 01:09:11,292 Seems like someone working in the government come here. 412 01:10:02,323 --> 01:10:05,157 I got a call saying that I shouldn't come out. 413 01:10:05,157 --> 01:10:08,790 It got Sun Mu and me all curious 414 01:10:08,924 --> 01:10:14,657 so I ignored the call and went out. 415 01:10:16,357 --> 01:10:21,924 Once I stepped out, I saw police officers all over the place. 416 01:10:21,924 --> 01:10:30,157 I chose to go to the coffee shop on the second floor instead of the first so as to not raise suspicion. 417 01:10:30,157 --> 01:10:35,657 On the second floor, I ran into Liang and Liang's wife, who were trying to hide. 418 01:10:38,290 --> 01:10:42,124 As I was thinking to myself that I should pick up a pamphlet, 419 01:10:42,124 --> 01:10:46,724 the owner of the coffeeshop asks 420 01:10:46,724 --> 01:10:50,124 "Isn't your husband the artist doing the exhibition?" 421 01:10:50,924 --> 01:10:54,290 I was so surprised. If I had stayed there any longer, 422 01:10:54,290 --> 01:11:04,157 they would soon find out how I'm linked to Sun Mu and I could become their hostage in no time. 423 01:11:11,124 --> 01:11:13,124 Ho Bin: Hello? 424 01:11:13,124 --> 01:11:16,124 The situation is, 425 01:11:18,624 --> 01:11:21,290 there are some people standing in front of the gallery 426 01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:24,790 and some are wearing North Korean pin badges. 427 01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:26,724 And there's Chinese police. 428 01:11:26,724 --> 01:11:30,424 They are having a conversation now. 429 01:11:31,624 --> 01:11:36,290 Cars and... a lot of police officers. 430 01:11:52,357 --> 01:12:00,424 I didn't get there until later, around 3:30. 431 01:12:00,424 --> 01:12:05,357 They began to stop people from getting into the museum. 432 01:12:05,624 --> 01:12:10,924 Ho Bin: Yes, Mr. Cui. Are you still staying around here? 433 01:12:10,924 --> 01:12:15,124 In my opinion, it'd be better if you stay away from here. 434 01:12:15,124 --> 01:12:15,490 In my opinion, it'd be better if you stay away from here. Cui: I didin't even know what Sun Mu or we did wrong 435 01:12:15,490 --> 01:12:20,224 Cui: I didin't even know what Sun Mu or we did wrong 436 01:12:20,224 --> 01:12:23,790 but with the crowd of Chinese police and North Koreans outside the gallery, 437 01:12:23,790 --> 01:12:25,557 the situation was confusing. 438 01:12:26,124 --> 01:12:28,290 But I thought, we're not criminals. 439 01:12:30,124 --> 01:12:36,790 There were North Koreans with Kim Il Sung badges going here and there. 440 01:12:50,157 --> 01:12:54,424 Liang: There were many North Koreans outside of the museum. 441 01:12:55,724 --> 01:13:03,208 They brought many North Koreans with lapel pins on their chest. There were dozens of them. 442 01:13:04,042 --> 01:13:06,208 Why all the police? 443 01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:09,624 I don't know. 444 01:13:13,857 --> 01:13:15,557 Is this a non-profit exhibition? 445 01:13:15,557 --> 01:13:16,857 Yes, yes. 446 01:13:17,290 --> 01:13:20,290 Is this your full-time job or your part-time job? 447 01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:23,157 It's considered a full-time job. 448 01:13:23,790 --> 01:13:26,124 I met him at a workshop. 449 01:13:26,124 --> 01:13:30,357 Is he not there now? 450 01:13:30,990 --> 01:13:33,724 I just received his paintings. 451 01:13:34,490 --> 01:13:42,124 So this gentleman mailed his paintings to a Korean who knows you, or is there someone else in between? 452 01:13:43,924 --> 01:13:48,424 Well, Mr. Liang, what I just asked first is... 453 01:13:48,857 --> 01:14:00,357 They started investigating. They interrogated me until really late, about 3 a.m. 454 01:14:07,724 --> 01:14:10,124 The streets near the gallery were shut down. 455 01:14:10,124 --> 01:14:16,624 People were only allowed to get out, not in, because the police were controlling it. 456 01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:37,124 The banners outside the gallery were torn down too, by people brought by the police. 457 01:14:38,290 --> 01:14:41,290 The whole thing happened very suddenly. 458 01:14:53,657 --> 01:15:00,424 We had a lot on our minds, and our bodies were trembling in fear. 459 01:15:00,424 --> 01:15:04,924 When we heard knocking on the door we were so scared, thinking it might be the police. 460 01:15:12,167 --> 01:15:14,042 I'm staying back! I'm staying back. 461 01:15:52,424 --> 01:15:59,157 "The exhibition is shut down temporarily. Thank you for understanding." 462 01:18:16,124 --> 01:18:23,657 It looks like the North Koreans asked the Chinese authorities 463 01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:30,290 to put a stop to the whole exhibition. 464 01:18:30,657 --> 01:18:37,990 Looking at what happened that day, I think I underestimated the whole thing. 465 01:18:38,724 --> 01:18:43,157 I could have been captured. 466 01:18:45,224 --> 01:18:48,424 I did not expect all that. 467 01:18:59,224 --> 01:19:05,857 With the help of Cui's wife, we were able to change our flight tickets so we could leave right away. 468 01:19:08,357 --> 01:19:14,357 When we were in the taxi to the airport, I was worried about the possibility of someone following us 469 01:19:14,357 --> 01:19:26,490 and at the airport, I was worried that the officials might detain us. 470 01:19:34,924 --> 01:19:39,157 I even thought, "What if they stop us before we take off?" 471 01:19:39,157 --> 01:19:46,224 The feeling I had at the moment our plane finally took off is indescribable. 472 01:19:49,790 --> 01:20:01,857 At that time, I was worried that the North Korean government might do something merciless to me. 473 01:20:01,857 --> 01:20:06,490 They might send someone to do something sketchy. That's what I worry about. 474 01:20:07,224 --> 01:20:10,924 It did get me into a lot of trouble. 475 01:20:11,557 --> 01:20:23,624 I was summoned to the police station several times after that day, which put me under a lot of pressure, 476 01:20:23,624 --> 01:20:29,924 and my phone was monitored for a while. 477 01:20:35,890 --> 01:20:39,690 There is no one in the Chinese art world that doesn't know about this exhibition. 478 01:20:44,057 --> 01:20:48,057 Now, everyone knows that there is a North Korean defector artist. 479 01:20:49,890 --> 01:20:57,024 I believe Sun Mu's art will eventually get into North Korea. 480 01:21:02,057 --> 01:21:05,890 "If you kill a rooster, the dawn will come nonetheless." 481 01:21:06,190 --> 01:21:09,057 That's how I see all of this unfolding. 482 01:22:13,890 --> 01:22:18,457 Interviewer: If you were able to go back to North Korea, what would you want to do the most? 483 01:22:18,457 --> 01:22:25,690 I'd load up my car with a pig, rice, and booze 484 01:22:26,324 --> 01:22:32,557 and go and throw a big party in my hometown 485 01:22:33,324 --> 01:22:37,000 so we could all eat till our stomachs burst, for once. 486 01:23:26,324 --> 01:23:33,824 Interviewer: Is there something you want to do there, if you were allowed? 487 01:23:34,690 --> 01:23:38,524 Well, I want to do an exhibition in Pyongyang. 488 01:23:46,824 --> 01:23:49,024 In my dream one day 489 01:23:49,024 --> 01:23:49,324 In my dream one day I found Kim Jong Il at a bar sitting by himself in the corner, looking lonely. 490 01:23:49,324 --> 01:23:55,890 I found Kim Jong Il at a bar sitting by himself in the corner, looking lonely. 491 01:23:56,124 --> 01:24:00,824 And I was dressed very nicely. 492 01:24:01,690 --> 01:24:06,057 I thought to myself, "I believed in that man once, but he looks so shabby tonight." 493 01:24:06,557 --> 01:24:14,190 I tried to go and give him something to eat, but his pride wouldn't let him take it. 494 01:24:17,024 --> 01:24:20,024 I have these dreams... 495 01:24:21,832 --> 01:24:28,824 On another day, I met Kim Jong Un in my dream. 496 01:24:29,824 --> 01:24:36,257 He said, "Hey, I'll help an esteemed artist like yourself put on an exhibition in Pyongyang." 497 01:24:36,524 --> 01:24:39,124 I said, "Is that so? 498 01:24:39,124 --> 01:24:41,390 Well if that's what you say, 499 01:24:42,457 --> 01:24:44,390 it'll happen." 43424

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