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A professor told me that I look South Korean by appearance, but I was North Korean by heart.
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I replied, "Yeah, you are right.
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I am a North Korean inside out,
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and I don't want to deny it."
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I want my friends and family back in North Korea
to live a better life.
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I long for a world where people in North Korea and South Korea live peacefully.
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It's not like I'm putting myself in danger on purpose.
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I've just been doing what I have to do.
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This is just what I'm destined for.
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Whenever I come to China, the nervousness and fear that I had 10 years ago comes right back.
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Of course it's less than it was 10 years ago,
but that memory is still vivid.
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I feel like every time I come back to China it will be like this.
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I work in hiding, but also publicly.
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That's what makes art so fun.
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Even if you work in the dark, it doesn't stay in the dark.
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It becomes public.
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It's fun.
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I like it.
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I had my first exhibition upon graduating college.
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It caught the media's attention.
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Then during my first solo exhibition, the media came again and wrote about my artwork.
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I created a piece,
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there's a bedridden Kim Jong Il,
and a kid is handing him a coke bottle.
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It's called 'Take Some Medicine.’
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That was published in Time magazine.
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So far I've had exhibits in
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Berlin.
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Interviewer: Why don't you show your face?
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Well, if I showed my face in public
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it is clear that my parents and siblings living in North Korea
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will be in danger.
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This damn world hasn't allowed me to present myself publicly,
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That's the only reason I can't reveal who I am.
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"There is nothing to envy in the world."
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When I first met him, I didn't like him that much.
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He came wearing socks that had holes in them
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and it was winter, so he wore two sets of long johns,
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and two sweaters,
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and a jacket that had lost all its insulating cotton.
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We started dating
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and I was so curious.
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It was my first time meeting a defector.
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I didn't even know there was such a thing as a
North Korean defector.
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I also had experienced a lot of heartbreak within my family.
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But I realized he had experienced a different kind of heartbreak.
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My kids are so blessed to have Sun Mu as a dad.
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He's very thoughtful, and is like a friend to them.
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One time, they asked where their grandma was.
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So I wanted to express that situation.
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Grandma is in that neighborhood up north, but we can't go because of the barbed wire.
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This is my first daughter.
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Whenever talk of her grandma comes up, she wants to send a letter in the mail,
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but it can't be delivered.
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So I expressed the reality of north and south through this.
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In North Korea there's no such thing as contemporary art.
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His experiences in North Korea are part of his style
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but what he has felt here in the south
has also been mixed into his style.
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If Korean reunification were to suddenly happen, I think it would resemble Sun Mu's paintings.
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My name is Cui Xianji.
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This is a retrospective of my artwork.
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A retrospective of an artist in his 50s,
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and I get to show and look back on all the artwork I have made thus far.
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Because I'm second generation Korean-Chinese
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I know Korea better than other Chinese people,
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and I know China better than any other Koreans.
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It was 2008 when I originally met Sun Mu.
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I was at the Busan Biennale in 2008
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and there was an incident.
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The night before the opening ceremony, Sun Mu's painting was withdrawn.
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The flag is upside down.
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The flag suggests the country is backwards.
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My hands were trembling when I was painting this piece.
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I always had a fear that someone might sneak up behind me and stab me.
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It took a lot of courage.
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There can be a fight between the artist and the audience.
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And in this fight based on misunderstanding, I was in the middle.
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Only I could understand both sides.
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People make it all politicized whenever
there is any image of North Korea.
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But that's my life story.
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My name is Liang Kegang.
I am the director of Beijing Yuan Art Museum.
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I have worked at the Yuan Gallery for three years, and the gallery has been here for six years.
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Last year, artist Cui Xianji introduced me to Sun Mu.
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When I heard that he is an artist who defected from North Korea,
I became very interested.
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In Beijing, there are many North Korean artists who draw their government's propaganda.
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Those paintings look very funny
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They are like the Chinese propaganda of 40 years ago during the Cultural Revolution.
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I had never met an artist who escaped North Korea and now does real contemporary art.
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Ever since they started the “Six Party Talks,” it's never gone right.
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But I was thinking, what if it were little children?
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If it were little children, wouldn't they just hold hands and play around together?
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He didn't paint the suffering and present only the wounds,
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but he painted hope, a beautiful thing. This is very precious.
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At the end of 2013, I went to Seoul with Cui Xianji,
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and in Seoul, I paid a visit to Sun Mu's studio.
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When I entered his studio, it was very good work.
I liked it very much.
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So I decided to do a solo exhibition for him.
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North Korea is bound to know about this exhibit, since there's a North Korean embassy there.
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To be honest, this exhibition worries me a lot.
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I felt I had to give him my approval,
but we will have to be very cautious.
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When I first saw the gallery it seemed really big, and I had a lot of stories in my mind.
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I thought I want to have an exhibition in a place like this,
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I could really go all out in a place like this, especially in Beijing.
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An exhibition in China really means a lot to me.
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Not only for me, but it will be the same for every defector.
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When they heard about the exhibition, other North Korean defectors asked,
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"Won't it be dangerous?"
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It's on everybody's mind.
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I am very concerned about how many risks it will bring me.
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It's hard to know because the North Korean government is very unreasonable.
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They'd bomb a passenger flight, or kidnap a Japanese teacher so they can teach Japanese in North Korea.
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This place means a lot to me.
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On my second day in Beijing, I wrote 'heaven' on the wall when I was drunk.
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I wanted to support Sun Mu in any possible way.
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We were sharing the same space and working together,
and it was so much fun.
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Growing up, we were in an environment where all the learning was based on Marx, Lenin, and Mao's ideas.
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But now I value my ideas more than theirs.
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Sun Mu has found freedom in this studio, and has found a person who completely supports him.
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Without my brother, I don't think I would have been able to have my exhibition in Beijing.
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That's real barbed wire.
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Did you take them from the DMZ border?
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- Yes.
- Psh.
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It's really from the border!
That's why it means so much!
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Be careful! The barbs are really sharp.
I don't want you to get hurt.
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They had just replaced the barbed wires
that used to fence off the DMZ.
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Think about it, those fences were there for decades.
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I felt like I could say many things with these old barbed wires, so I took some.
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I made flowers using the wires.
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Interviewer: When you left North Korea for China
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what was the thing that surprised you most?
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Lights.
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The glittering lights.
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Plastic bags blowing in the wind.
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Is this rotten capitalism?
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Is this the rotten capitalism the North has been talking about?
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Why are so many lights on?
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I thought, "Did I make the wrong decision?
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Maybe what I see isn't reality?"
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In my heart I still believed Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.
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Interviewer: How long was it before you realized what you learned in North Korea was a lie?
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About 10 years.
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Still to this day.
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This is me when I was young.
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I used to sing since preschool.
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I was on a team that travels all over North Korea,
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performing in front of whole schools, or whole villages, pretty much anywhere.
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Around the age of 8 or 9
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I turned on the TV and saw Kim Il Sung
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with a bunch of kids who had excelled at singing, dancing, painting, and writing.
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Kim Il Sung was patting them on the back.
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I thought to myself, "I can do that too."
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"I can do that well,
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and I can give Kim Il Sung pleasure!"
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And that's how I started.
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Interviewer: Did you ever get punished for drawing something you weren't supposed to draw?
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Since I was a good student, I didn't draw anything I wasn't supposed to.
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There are things you can't draw.
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You can't draw Kim Jong Il,
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and you wouldn't even dream about drawing naked women.
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I did draw Kim Il Sung once.
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It was when I was in high school.
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If I got caught, I would have been killed.
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So I locked my door and drew Kim Il Sung.
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I thought I could draw him well, too.
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Even my parents didn't know.
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I proved to myself that I have the skills to draw Kim Il Sung exactly like his portrait.
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But before it was even dry, I burned it.
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When I first joined the army,
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I learned that they select the ones that are good at writing and drawing from the new recruits.
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One day they said, "Stand up if you are good at writing or drawing."
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He asked if I could work on a poster for one day.
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I answered that I could whip something like that up in an hour.
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He didn't believe me at first.
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Anyways, they ended up giving me one day
to work on this small poster.
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I said to them, "I can do this."
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So I did it.
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They said, "A real talent has joined the military."
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The blueprint hasn't been given to me yet.
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Cui: So you are thinking about a week for the installation process?
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Sun Mu: A week should do it.
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I'm going to install everything first
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and have my wife come the day before the opening.
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Another question,
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will he be safe if he lives in Wangjing during the days of the exhibition?
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Well, no one has to know who I am, right?
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I'm not going to meet anyone.
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Ask him if he wants to go out and take a look at my pieces
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so he can have an idea of how we would set up.
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Okay, let's go.
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- The wires become music scores.
- Great.
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Wow, music comes out too?
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Yeah, that's my theme song.
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How big is it?
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It's 5 meters wide.
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I thought I should try this at least once.
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I wanted to express the North Korean situation to people as they come into the exhibition.
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So I intended to put these words at the entrance so the visitors have to step on the words
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before coming in to see my artwork.
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The three names representing the supreme dignity of North Korea are written there
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Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Un.
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No one would even dream about stepping on those names.
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I'm sure North Koreans staying in China,
like embassy staffers will come.
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They will have to step on it if they want to see the exhibition.
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That might be pretty funny.
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My exhibition won't make this art museum shut down down permanently, right?
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I'm okay with my exhibition being shut down...
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All this stuff, it's not possible this would shut it down?
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He says that's not going to happen.
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So many spies are in the Wangjing district, where our art museum is located.
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If they know about the information about the exhibition
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I think they will find the government to stop it.
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Interviewer: So what do you remember from that night?
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I don't want to say it.
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Sorry.
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It has had a big influence on me.
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By the next day, we heard that many university students had died in Beijing the night before.
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I don't know the exact death toll,
because the whole history has been wiped out in China.
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In China, it's risky to be a good artist.
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I have been taking the risk for over 20 years, since I went to college.
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Artists like us are considered sensitive, and are strictly supervised by the government.
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This is my daughter. Her name is Liang Xiao Me.
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This is my son.
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His name is Liang Ji Yen.
And we always call him Little Stone.
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But in China, to be an artist may be the only way
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you can feel a little feeling about freedom.
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I've watched various documentaries about
space and the universe since defecting.
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Watching those, I felt this earth that we live on
is a mere speck of dust
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but the humans living here are arguing,
fighting, and killing each other.
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What a shame before the eyes of the aliens.
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The stars here are not the same as the stars in my hometown.
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There, stars were like a splash of white paint on a black canvas.
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There was the Milky Way, and sometimes I could see stars moving, which I later found out were satellites.
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That was good. Looking up at the night sky and viewing the stars.
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Back then, I dreamt of being an astronaut and visiting the galaxy.
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Visiting the moon and stars as an astronaut.
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That's when I was young.
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00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:36,624
Now when I see the night sky,
I feel just a fraction of what I felt as a boy.
239
00:42:49,890 --> 00:43:00,390
My hometown was in the countryside so it had mountains, rivers, and goats living in the hills.
240
00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:17,824
After Kim Il Sung died, we had such torrential rainfall
and we lost a lot of crops.
241
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:28,390
The rations provided by the government started getting delayed.
242
00:43:28,824 --> 00:43:30,024
At first it was for 1 month...
243
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2 months...
244
00:43:31,424 --> 00:43:32,124
3 months...
245
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It kept getting delayed.
246
00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:46,890
I don't think it was caused by Kim Il Sung's death.
247
00:43:49,724 --> 00:43:55,924
Maybe Kim Jong Il used all those resources
to secure his new regime
248
00:43:55,924 --> 00:43:59,890
or for his leisure.
249
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:20,724
So many people didn't get the food that
should have been distributed.
250
00:44:22,590 --> 00:44:28,590
Every day we'd hear, "So and so in the next house has died."
251
00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:31,690
"And someone in that house died too."
252
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:36,924
Looking from the outside, they were way too naive.
253
00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:39,790
All they did was work.
254
00:44:39,924 --> 00:44:47,290
But in spite of their hard work,
they always struggle for food.
255
00:44:48,424 --> 00:44:50,824
It breaks my heart.
256
00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:40,590
I think this exhibition will become my first step to more exhibitions.
257
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A stepping stone.
258
00:47:44,224 --> 00:47:46,924
A transformation point.
259
00:47:47,124 --> 00:47:54,524
I was not sure if this exhibition would even be possible.
260
00:47:54,924 --> 00:48:02,924
I was nervous that there would be problems before it even starts.
261
00:48:11,124 --> 00:48:18,590
As we installed the work,
it hit me that my exhibition will really happen.
262
00:48:20,624 --> 00:48:23,990
So I'm really happy.
263
00:48:31,590 --> 00:48:38,490
I think he is largely motivated by the desire
for freedom and a better life.
264
00:48:44,924 --> 00:48:49,124
He is fortunate to have defected successfully,
because I guess about 9 out of 10 defectors fail.
265
00:48:49,124 --> 00:48:53,924
And failure could mean death.
266
00:48:55,724 --> 00:48:57,490
This right here...
267
00:48:57,724 --> 00:49:09,390
Once I crossed the Tumen River into China,
I started writing down all my thoughts and feelings.
268
00:49:13,390 --> 00:49:15,624
"Today is July 1st.
269
00:49:16,290 --> 00:49:22,624
Under the street lamps, the signs of restaurants are lit up along the street
270
00:49:23,224 --> 00:49:29,324
the light is coming into my empty room
where I am sitting at the window, smoking.
271
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:35,790
Hey, you. What are you thinking about?
Are you missing the hometown you've left behind?
272
00:49:35,790 --> 00:49:39,490
Or are you dreaming about
the new land you will soon enter?
273
00:49:39,490 --> 00:49:43,590
The cigarette is burned out
and I'm left with only ashes.
274
00:49:44,590 --> 00:49:49,290
I flick my ash and stare out the window, silently.
275
00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:52,890
Well, I have no one to talk to anyway."
276
00:49:54,124 --> 00:49:59,924
I didn't have any intention of running away,
because I thought North Korea was a great country.
277
00:50:00,590 --> 00:50:03,224
I was just hungry.
278
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:13,424
One day, I climbed the mountain.
279
00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:18,990
I made it to the top, and the view was overlooking a city in China.
280
00:50:23,524 --> 00:50:27,490
I hid in the tobacco field and waited for night to come.
281
00:50:32,524 --> 00:50:36,624
In that moment, everything including the sound of the insects sounded so loud.
282
00:50:42,424 --> 00:50:44,724
I was staying silent,
283
00:50:44,724 --> 00:50:48,290
nervous that guards might be nearby.
284
00:50:50,290 --> 00:50:53,290
After what felt like an eternity...
285
00:50:53,790 --> 00:50:55,124
Let's go.
286
00:50:55,124 --> 00:50:57,390
I am being too hesitant.
287
00:50:58,324 --> 00:51:02,624
With all my fears and worries,
I put my feet into the river.
288
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:11,124
On the North Korean side the river wasn't that deep
289
00:51:11,124 --> 00:51:15,390
But closer to the Chinese side, the riverbed fell away beneath me.
290
00:51:16,324 --> 00:51:18,124
So I swam.
291
00:51:21,124 --> 00:51:26,124
I was right beneath the Polaris star and the moon.
292
00:51:26,124 --> 00:51:31,490
Looking at them, I started my journey.
293
00:51:47,424 --> 00:51:52,333
Even until right before I crossed the river, I was certain that I'd come back.
294
00:51:53,524 --> 00:51:57,924
But after I crossed the river, I went up the mountain
and was wringing out my clothes,
295
00:51:57,924 --> 00:52:01,490
I was looking back at North Korea,
296
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:06,124
and I thought, "Maybe I won't be able to go back."
297
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:22,924
If I were to get caught in China,
I would get sent back to North Korea anyway.
298
00:52:24,990 --> 00:52:29,890
Well then, South Korea is my land too,
so maybe I've got to go to the south.
299
00:52:31,390 --> 00:52:33,290
I thought that way would be better.
300
00:52:33,290 --> 00:52:35,824
Even if I die, it's better to choose my own way.
301
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:38,124
So I left.
302
00:52:44,624 --> 00:52:48,724
I wanted to go to South Korea, but I didn't know how.
303
00:52:56,224 --> 00:52:59,490
It took about a week to get out of China.
304
00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:08,790
I got close to the border
305
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:12,724
and I was trying to figure out how to get across.
306
00:53:12,724 --> 00:53:16,390
There was a bus that was going along the border.
307
00:53:18,724 --> 00:53:25,624
I thought if I hop off that bus after about 15 minutes,
we would be at the right place.
308
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:32,190
So that's what I did. I got off and snuck across the border into Laos.
309
00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:55,724
Once I made it safely to Thailand, all I did was art until I went to South Korea.
310
00:53:57,958 --> 00:54:01,124
I still have a few pieces I drew back then.
311
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:12,124
I was assigned to live in Gongju, South Korea.
312
00:54:12,124 --> 00:54:19,424
I was trying to meet up with South Korean artists,
and soon found an art museum in Gongju.
313
00:54:19,890 --> 00:54:25,324
The owner suggested that I apply to a nearby school
in Chungnam province
314
00:54:25,324 --> 00:54:30,590
but I wanted to go to a Hongik University in Seoul.
315
00:54:30,590 --> 00:54:37,890
I went there and asked what I had to prepare,
and they said the drawing test was all I had to take.
316
00:54:39,024 --> 00:54:41,490
I was confident.
317
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:45,590
I went back and took the test
318
00:54:45,590 --> 00:54:47,424
and then they sent me my acceptance letter.
319
00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:55,324
"Hong-ik University graduation picture"
320
00:54:57,390 --> 00:55:02,124
I realized that I too have a story to tell the world.
321
00:55:02,124 --> 00:55:09,290
I too have a reason for my existence.
322
00:55:09,790 --> 00:55:13,875
This is all I know how to do,
so I'll just keep doing what I do.
323
00:55:14,724 --> 00:55:18,390
I am going to use this to tell my story.
324
00:56:34,167 --> 00:56:38,290
I'm someone who takes risks.
325
00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:45,124
I can't stop an exhibition that I like so much
just because of risks.
326
00:56:46,924 --> 00:56:50,990
Whatever, that's my attitude.
327
00:56:58,490 --> 00:57:04,824
Interviewer: Do you think there will be any threats on the day of the event?
328
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:08,124
Yes. I'm sure there will be a threat.
329
00:57:08,124 --> 00:57:16,490
But I don't want to let them know who this crazy Sun Mu guy is and where he lives.
330
00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:21,590
Sun Mu told me if he got caught, he would kill himself
331
00:57:21,590 --> 00:57:25,324
because he doesn't want to incriminate his family.
332
00:57:25,324 --> 00:57:28,324
He doesn't want the government to find out who he is.
333
00:57:28,524 --> 00:57:32,824
That's why I can't be there as Sun Mu at the opening ceremony.
334
00:57:34,124 --> 00:57:36,324
I can't be there, but my artwork will.
335
00:57:36,324 --> 00:57:38,124
That's the same as me being there.
336
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:44,624
Interviewer: Can you tell us the meaning of the piece with the fish on a chopping board?
337
00:57:50,590 --> 00:57:54,324
On a huge chopping board, there's a little fish
338
00:57:54,324 --> 00:57:55,890
It's a boring fish
339
00:57:55,890 --> 00:57:59,290
and big knives are pointing their blades at the little fish.
340
00:57:59,290 --> 00:58:02,024
Who knows how that little fish will get sliced up?
341
00:58:02,024 --> 00:58:07,490
I want to talk about how a powerful nation will carve off a bigger chunk with a bigger knife,
342
00:58:07,490 --> 00:58:10,390
and smaller nations get smaller chunks.
343
00:58:26,324 --> 00:58:33,990
Interviewer: Are you worried that your family could be in danger if they are with you?
344
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:45,290
I do worry a little, but when I'm with them I'm not Sun Mu the artist, I'm just the head of my family.
345
00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:53,324
Well, I'm not sure if the Chinese government would acknowledge that difference.
346
00:58:55,390 --> 00:59:05,190
We will just be a nice happy family traveling around China.
347
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:16,490
Safety is the biggest concern for me, since we're talking about family.
348
00:59:16,824 --> 00:59:24,324
I don't have any room to worry about anything else but the safety of our family.
349
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:29,224
I hope my husband does well
350
00:59:29,224 --> 00:59:32,924
but to be honest I'm worried about this exhibition.
351
00:59:41,024 --> 00:59:44,190
It's not like I'm putting myself in danger purposely.
352
00:59:44,724 --> 00:59:49,724
I'm just doing what I have to do.
353
01:01:14,424 --> 01:01:19,990
I have to cut this giant board into pieces
354
01:01:23,124 --> 01:01:26,590
all around here.
355
01:01:26,890 --> 01:01:27,924
Isn't it fun?
356
01:01:38,890 --> 01:01:42,375
If we take a look at this piece
357
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:46,490
It reads, "The view is good, but it's also a good place to live"
358
01:01:46,490 --> 01:01:49,490
And there's a sassy girl looking back.
359
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:55,690
Her attire of a red scarf and ribbon in her hair
360
01:01:55,690 --> 01:02:00,124
shows that she's a typical North Korean student.
361
01:02:01,390 --> 01:02:04,124
But this "good place to live" is not the North Korea we know.
362
01:02:04,124 --> 01:02:08,990
So when people read this they might ask,
"Does the artist even know North Korea?"
363
01:02:09,790 --> 01:02:16,490
Interviewer: What genre do you think
Sun Mu belongs to as an artist?
364
01:02:16,990 --> 01:02:20,290
I'll give a simple answer.
365
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:22,724
Political pop art.
366
01:02:23,390 --> 01:02:27,224
I don't know a thing about pop art.
367
01:02:27,290 --> 01:02:33,490
I just do this, or I do that, whatever I feel like doing.
368
01:02:33,490 --> 01:02:37,290
I have no intention of defining my art as pop art.
369
01:02:37,390 --> 01:02:40,390
I don't know and I'm not interested.
370
01:02:40,490 --> 01:02:44,290
Interviewer: Who is your biggest influence?
371
01:02:44,924 --> 01:02:47,824
I don't have anyone who influences me.
372
01:02:47,824 --> 01:02:49,624
Oh wait, there is.
373
01:02:50,190 --> 01:02:52,924
Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.
374
01:02:54,724 --> 01:02:57,790
Is that funny?
375
01:03:16,124 --> 01:03:20,890
Wow, the press release on your exhibition has been viewed by 16,000 people.
376
01:03:20,890 --> 01:03:24,690
It's spreading from person to person.
377
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:28,890
That's cool you can get those numbers.
378
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:42,390
Tomorrow there will be an opening reception, and after that we have the performance, right?
379
01:03:42,824 --> 01:03:46,290
Yes, maybe like this
380
01:03:46,990 --> 01:03:53,124
First, the opening. We start at four.
381
01:03:53,124 --> 01:03:57,524
But it will be 4:30 when everyone gets here.
We won't have much time.
382
01:03:57,524 --> 01:04:03,424
I'll make an opening announcement at 4:30, marking the start of the exhibition.
383
01:04:03,424 --> 01:04:09,124
The first thing to do is play his songs.
384
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:16,424
After the songs, it's the performance of the children, they will release the flag.
385
01:04:16,724 --> 01:04:21,724
After the performance, it's his thank you speech.
386
01:04:21,890 --> 01:04:25,790
So after the flag performance, we'll hear your words of gratitude.
387
01:04:25,790 --> 01:04:27,124
The one we recorded, right?
388
01:04:27,124 --> 01:04:28,324
Yes.
389
01:04:28,924 --> 01:04:43,990
Tomorrow, I might come with a group of visitors and drift off without letting anyone know.
390
01:04:44,224 --> 01:04:48,290
He's thinking about pretending to be security.
391
01:04:48,324 --> 01:04:49,524
He should get his hair cut.
392
01:04:50,424 --> 01:04:53,790
We better be careful tomorrow.
393
01:04:53,790 --> 01:05:00,190
Since the kids are too young to know what's going on,
once they catch sight of Sun Mu
394
01:05:00,190 --> 01:05:03,390
they might give away Sun Mu's identity right away.
395
01:05:03,624 --> 01:05:07,624
So then as soon as the ceremony ends,
I'll take the kids upstairs.
396
01:05:18,324 --> 01:05:24,990
I wish he wouldn't come to the opening to be completely honest.
397
01:05:24,990 --> 01:05:30,124
I even had a dream that during the opening he is captured and taken away.
398
01:05:33,290 --> 01:05:37,490
Sometimes I can't sleep because of that fear.
399
01:07:48,490 --> 01:07:55,424
I do want to go to the gallery and see how they've set it up.
400
01:07:57,324 --> 01:08:04,024
But I think the gallery wants me to stay quiet.
401
01:08:05,124 --> 01:08:12,924
So I'll have to lay down this title of Sun Mu for a bit
and go there as one of the visitors.
402
01:08:13,624 --> 01:08:16,857
I've put so much effort into all those pieces.
403
01:08:16,857 --> 01:08:25,207
And now we're coming to the opening...
404
01:08:26,924 --> 01:08:36,790
It's sad that I can't stand there in public and say, "I am Sun Mu."
405
01:08:40,124 --> 01:08:42,490
Because that's who I am.
406
01:08:51,292 --> 01:08:53,833
Has anybody from the government come by yet today?
407
01:08:55,250 --> 01:09:00,167
I think maybe in the morning two guys come here.
408
01:09:00,208 --> 01:09:01,792
Want to see first...
409
01:09:01,875 --> 01:09:05,792
I'm not sure who they are but from the clothes
410
01:09:05,833 --> 01:09:07,417
and the feeling...
411
01:09:07,792 --> 01:09:11,292
Seems like someone working in the government come here.
412
01:10:02,323 --> 01:10:05,157
I got a call saying that I shouldn't come out.
413
01:10:05,157 --> 01:10:08,790
It got Sun Mu and me all curious
414
01:10:08,924 --> 01:10:14,657
so I ignored the call and went out.
415
01:10:16,357 --> 01:10:21,924
Once I stepped out, I saw police officers all over the place.
416
01:10:21,924 --> 01:10:30,157
I chose to go to the coffee shop on the second floor instead of the first so as to not raise suspicion.
417
01:10:30,157 --> 01:10:35,657
On the second floor, I ran into Liang and Liang's wife, who were trying to hide.
418
01:10:38,290 --> 01:10:42,124
As I was thinking to myself that I should pick up a pamphlet,
419
01:10:42,124 --> 01:10:46,724
the owner of the coffeeshop asks
420
01:10:46,724 --> 01:10:50,124
"Isn't your husband the artist doing the exhibition?"
421
01:10:50,924 --> 01:10:54,290
I was so surprised. If I had stayed there any longer,
422
01:10:54,290 --> 01:11:04,157
they would soon find out how I'm linked to Sun Mu and I could become their hostage in no time.
423
01:11:11,124 --> 01:11:13,124
Ho Bin: Hello?
424
01:11:13,124 --> 01:11:16,124
The situation is,
425
01:11:18,624 --> 01:11:21,290
there are some people standing in front of the gallery
426
01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:24,790
and some are wearing North Korean pin badges.
427
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:26,724
And there's Chinese police.
428
01:11:26,724 --> 01:11:30,424
They are having a conversation now.
429
01:11:31,624 --> 01:11:36,290
Cars and... a lot of police officers.
430
01:11:52,357 --> 01:12:00,424
I didn't get there until later, around 3:30.
431
01:12:00,424 --> 01:12:05,357
They began to stop people from getting into the museum.
432
01:12:05,624 --> 01:12:10,924
Ho Bin: Yes, Mr. Cui. Are you still staying around here?
433
01:12:10,924 --> 01:12:15,124
In my opinion, it'd be better if you stay away from here.
434
01:12:15,124 --> 01:12:15,490
In my opinion, it'd be better if you stay away from here.
Cui: I didin't even know what Sun Mu or we did wrong
435
01:12:15,490 --> 01:12:20,224
Cui: I didin't even know what Sun Mu or we did wrong
436
01:12:20,224 --> 01:12:23,790
but with the crowd of Chinese police and North Koreans outside the gallery,
437
01:12:23,790 --> 01:12:25,557
the situation was confusing.
438
01:12:26,124 --> 01:12:28,290
But I thought, we're not criminals.
439
01:12:30,124 --> 01:12:36,790
There were North Koreans with Kim Il Sung badges
going here and there.
440
01:12:50,157 --> 01:12:54,424
Liang: There were many North Koreans outside of the museum.
441
01:12:55,724 --> 01:13:03,208
They brought many North Koreans with lapel pins on their chest. There were dozens of them.
442
01:13:04,042 --> 01:13:06,208
Why all the police?
443
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:09,624
I don't know.
444
01:13:13,857 --> 01:13:15,557
Is this a non-profit exhibition?
445
01:13:15,557 --> 01:13:16,857
Yes, yes.
446
01:13:17,290 --> 01:13:20,290
Is this your full-time job or your part-time job?
447
01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:23,157
It's considered a full-time job.
448
01:13:23,790 --> 01:13:26,124
I met him at a workshop.
449
01:13:26,124 --> 01:13:30,357
Is he not there now?
450
01:13:30,990 --> 01:13:33,724
I just received his paintings.
451
01:13:34,490 --> 01:13:42,124
So this gentleman mailed his paintings to a Korean who knows you,
or is there someone else in between?
452
01:13:43,924 --> 01:13:48,424
Well, Mr. Liang, what I just asked first is...
453
01:13:48,857 --> 01:14:00,357
They started investigating. They interrogated me until really late, about 3 a.m.
454
01:14:07,724 --> 01:14:10,124
The streets near the gallery were shut down.
455
01:14:10,124 --> 01:14:16,624
People were only allowed to get out, not in, because the police were controlling it.
456
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:37,124
The banners outside the gallery were torn down too, by people brought by the police.
457
01:14:38,290 --> 01:14:41,290
The whole thing happened very suddenly.
458
01:14:53,657 --> 01:15:00,424
We had a lot on our minds, and our bodies were trembling in fear.
459
01:15:00,424 --> 01:15:04,924
When we heard knocking on the door we were so scared,
thinking it might be the police.
460
01:15:12,167 --> 01:15:14,042
I'm staying back! I'm staying back.
461
01:15:52,424 --> 01:15:59,157
"The exhibition is shut down temporarily. Thank you for understanding."
462
01:18:16,124 --> 01:18:23,657
It looks like the North Koreans asked the Chinese authorities
463
01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:30,290
to put a stop to the whole exhibition.
464
01:18:30,657 --> 01:18:37,990
Looking at what happened that day, I think I underestimated the whole thing.
465
01:18:38,724 --> 01:18:43,157
I could have been captured.
466
01:18:45,224 --> 01:18:48,424
I did not expect all that.
467
01:18:59,224 --> 01:19:05,857
With the help of Cui's wife, we were able to change our flight tickets so we could leave right away.
468
01:19:08,357 --> 01:19:14,357
When we were in the taxi to the airport, I was worried about the possibility of someone following us
469
01:19:14,357 --> 01:19:26,490
and at the airport, I was worried that the officials might detain us.
470
01:19:34,924 --> 01:19:39,157
I even thought, "What if they stop us before we take off?"
471
01:19:39,157 --> 01:19:46,224
The feeling I had at the moment our plane finally took off is indescribable.
472
01:19:49,790 --> 01:20:01,857
At that time, I was worried that the North Korean government might do something merciless to me.
473
01:20:01,857 --> 01:20:06,490
They might send someone to do something sketchy. That's what I worry about.
474
01:20:07,224 --> 01:20:10,924
It did get me into a lot of trouble.
475
01:20:11,557 --> 01:20:23,624
I was summoned to the police station several times after that day,
which put me under a lot of pressure,
476
01:20:23,624 --> 01:20:29,924
and my phone was monitored for a while.
477
01:20:35,890 --> 01:20:39,690
There is no one in the Chinese art world that doesn't know about this exhibition.
478
01:20:44,057 --> 01:20:48,057
Now, everyone knows that there is a North Korean defector artist.
479
01:20:49,890 --> 01:20:57,024
I believe Sun Mu's art will eventually get into North Korea.
480
01:21:02,057 --> 01:21:05,890
"If you kill a rooster, the dawn will come nonetheless."
481
01:21:06,190 --> 01:21:09,057
That's how I see all of this unfolding.
482
01:22:13,890 --> 01:22:18,457
Interviewer: If you were able to go back to North Korea,
what would you want to do the most?
483
01:22:18,457 --> 01:22:25,690
I'd load up my car with a pig, rice, and booze
484
01:22:26,324 --> 01:22:32,557
and go and throw a big party in my hometown
485
01:22:33,324 --> 01:22:37,000
so we could all eat till our stomachs burst, for once.
486
01:23:26,324 --> 01:23:33,824
Interviewer: Is there something you want to do there,
if you were allowed?
487
01:23:34,690 --> 01:23:38,524
Well, I want to do an exhibition in Pyongyang.
488
01:23:46,824 --> 01:23:49,024
In my dream one day
489
01:23:49,024 --> 01:23:49,324
In my dream one day
I found Kim Jong Il at a bar sitting by himself in the corner, looking lonely.
490
01:23:49,324 --> 01:23:55,890
I found Kim Jong Il at a bar sitting by himself
in the corner, looking lonely.
491
01:23:56,124 --> 01:24:00,824
And I was dressed very nicely.
492
01:24:01,690 --> 01:24:06,057
I thought to myself, "I believed in that man once,
but he looks so shabby tonight."
493
01:24:06,557 --> 01:24:14,190
I tried to go and give him something to eat,
but his pride wouldn't let him take it.
494
01:24:17,024 --> 01:24:20,024
I have these dreams...
495
01:24:21,832 --> 01:24:28,824
On another day, I met Kim Jong Un in my dream.
496
01:24:29,824 --> 01:24:36,257
He said, "Hey, I'll help an esteemed artist like yourself
put on an exhibition in Pyongyang."
497
01:24:36,524 --> 01:24:39,124
I said, "Is that so?
498
01:24:39,124 --> 01:24:41,390
Well if that's what you say,
499
01:24:42,457 --> 01:24:44,390
it'll happen."
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