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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,060 you 2 00:00:28,750 --> 00:00:33,149 light while light having his knowledge 3 00:00:33,349 --> 00:00:37,449 knowledge is love love is freedom 4 00:00:37,649 --> 00:00:41,439 freedom is energy energy so without any 5 00:00:41,639 --> 00:00:45,430 doubt without light we can't have any 6 00:00:45,630 --> 00:00:47,820 images 7 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:56,170 a cinematographer is a visual 8 00:00:56,370 --> 00:00:59,660 psychiatrist moving the audience through 9 00:00:59,860 --> 00:01:02,410 a movie from here to there to there to 10 00:01:02,610 --> 00:01:05,165 here making him think the way you want 11 00:01:05,365 --> 00:01:07,920 to think painting pictures in the dark 12 00:01:12,900 --> 00:01:15,820 you have to light you have to compose 13 00:01:16,020 --> 00:01:18,130 and you have to create movement and 14 00:01:18,330 --> 00:01:20,440 those are the three elements of 15 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:21,670 cinematography 16 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,895 you have to get style the hard way you 17 00:01:29,095 --> 00:01:34,047 earn it by growing it internally and 18 00:01:34,247 --> 00:01:38,078 letting it bubble out from inside some 19 00:01:38,278 --> 00:01:41,369 of it comes from experience some of it 20 00:01:41,569 --> 00:01:44,660 comes from inspiration and some of it 21 00:01:44,860 --> 00:01:51,630 just happens film is like a sumo 22 00:01:51,830 --> 00:01:54,230 wrestler it's you know sometimes you get 23 00:01:54,430 --> 00:01:55,820 thrown out of the ring by it and 24 00:01:56,020 --> 00:01:58,900 sometimes you win 25 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,550 I think it's really important to really 26 00:02:03,750 --> 00:02:05,730 delve deep into it and really become 27 00:02:05,930 --> 00:02:07,710 part of your subconscious and your 28 00:02:07,910 --> 00:02:10,805 psyche to really develop an idea for how 29 00:02:11,005 --> 00:02:13,900 you visually want to represent a story 30 00:02:15,610 --> 00:02:18,840 we have the ability to work in all 31 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,160 genres and each film should have its own 32 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:22,730 style 33 00:02:28,630 --> 00:02:30,820 I think was the fascination initially 34 00:02:31,020 --> 00:02:32,450 with the technology and then how 35 00:02:32,650 --> 00:02:34,740 mastering that technology in the service 36 00:02:34,940 --> 00:02:36,890 of art made cinematography such a unique 37 00:02:37,090 --> 00:02:39,040 thing that just kept me in it to this 38 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,250 day 39 00:02:47,790 --> 00:02:50,830 my name is Ramirez Harrison Russell so 40 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:51,050 Brooke 41 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:53,385 Howard Anderson I'm Howard Anderson the 42 00:02:53,585 --> 00:02:55,720 third Peter Anderson my name is Michael 43 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:57,700 ball house DM BB I'm Bill Bennett 44 00:02:57,900 --> 00:03:01,060 Gabrielle berry stain and a machinima 45 00:03:01,260 --> 00:03:04,315 tog refer a Mexican British educated and 46 00:03:04,515 --> 00:03:07,007 American improved Larry bridges Jonathan 47 00:03:07,207 --> 00:03:09,700 Brown I'm Steve Bureau - cinematographer 48 00:03:09,900 --> 00:03:10,250 bill Butler 49 00:03:10,450 --> 00:03:12,180 Bobby burn Russell carpenter James 50 00:03:12,380 --> 00:03:14,105 chrysanthus your callisters yeah 51 00:03:14,305 --> 00:03:16,102 Cooperman Erickson Corps I'm Richard 52 00:03:16,302 --> 00:03:17,821 crudo I'm Dean candy Oliver catice I'm 53 00:03:18,021 --> 00:03:19,540 Allen Davila and I'm a cinematographer 54 00:03:19,740 --> 00:03:21,970 Roger Deakins Peter Deming Caleb 55 00:03:22,170 --> 00:03:24,595 Deschanel I'm Ron Dexter bill bill 56 00:03:24,795 --> 00:03:26,897 George P or ODB Ernest Dickerson I'm 57 00:03:27,097 --> 00:03:29,000 Richard Edlund John Fowler I'm dawn 58 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,209 Fauntleroy and Steve fair burg William a 59 00:03:31,209 --> 00:03:33,520 Fraker my name is Michael [ย __ย ] Steven 60 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,695 gold bland my name's Jack green Adam 61 00:03:35,895 --> 00:03:37,870 greenberg Ravi Greenberg cinematographer 62 00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:39,320 my name is Hannah Hoffman 63 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,880 Ernie Holzmann my name is Gil Hubbs I'm 64 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,270 Judy a rola mark Kerwin levy Isaacs 65 00:03:44,470 --> 00:03:46,830 Johnny Jensen I'm Victor J Canberra 66 00:03:47,030 --> 00:03:49,190 Frances Kenny Richard Klein Fred Cana 67 00:03:49,390 --> 00:03:53,025 camp my babies Iรกszlรณ kovรกcs last local 68 00:03:53,225 --> 00:03:56,860 watch I'm Ellen caress ASC yamato-class 69 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:58,610 coos hi I'm amber Lazlo 70 00:03:58,810 --> 00:04:01,120 I am Dunedin wah Matt you know Peter 71 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,420 levy Matthew the boutique 72 00:04:02,620 --> 00:04:04,575 I'm Steven Leight Hill karvall 73 00:04:04,775 --> 00:04:07,137 son-in-law Bruce Lowen Julio makan 74 00:04:07,337 --> 00:04:09,500 Isadora Mankowski ASC Chris Manley 75 00:04:09,700 --> 00:04:11,940 Steven Mason I'm Clark Mathis dawn with 76 00:04:12,140 --> 00:04:14,449 quake Rob mcLaughlin check Minsky Donald 77 00:04:14,649 --> 00:04:16,933 M Morgan Cramer Morgenthau David Mullen 78 00:04:17,133 --> 00:04:19,061 Fred Murphy my name is Huell Naruto I'm 79 00:04:19,261 --> 00:04:21,160 Michal Negrin my name is Saul Negron 80 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,650 Darrin Okada I'm witty omens I'm Daniel 81 00:04:23,850 --> 00:04:26,140 Pearl fern Pearlstein wally pfister bill 82 00:04:26,340 --> 00:04:28,250 Pope Stephen poster Bob primes 83 00:04:28,450 --> 00:04:30,195 Toni returned I'm a cinematographer my 84 00:04:30,395 --> 00:04:32,232 name is Owen Roseman Pete Romano I'm 85 00:04:32,432 --> 00:04:34,031 Paul Ryan from Nancy Shriver my name is 86 00:04:34,231 --> 00:04:35,830 John Schwartzman my name is John Steele 87 00:04:36,030 --> 00:04:36,469 Dean Semler 88 00:04:36,669 --> 00:04:39,224 hi I'm Michael Sarrazin from New Zealand 89 00:04:39,424 --> 00:04:41,452 Steven Shaw Newton Thomas Segal and on 90 00:04:41,652 --> 00:04:44,041 my best days I'm a cinematographer 91 00:04:44,241 --> 00:04:46,430 Bradley 6 Dantas Funaki I'm hooli 92 00:04:46,630 --> 00:04:48,630 Steiger my name is Tom Stern my name is 93 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:51,364 Vittorio Storaro I'm a cinematographer 94 00:04:51,564 --> 00:04:54,099 I'm not a director of photography Rodney 95 00:04:54,299 --> 00:04:55,550 Taylor I'm John tow and less 96 00:04:55,750 --> 00:04:57,789 cinematographer case fellows I'm Amy 97 00:04:57,989 --> 00:04:58,310 Vincent 98 00:04:58,510 --> 00:04:59,360 my name is Haskell 99 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,110 Wechsler Gordon Willis ralph Woolsey 100 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:04,660 Robert yeoman ambien mows England 101 00:05:04,860 --> 00:05:10,600 messing them about you affair invariably 102 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,815 two questions come up and the first 103 00:05:15,015 --> 00:05:19,030 question somebody will ask how did you 104 00:05:19,230 --> 00:05:20,320 reading me 105 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,290 started the film business when I was a 106 00:05:23,490 --> 00:05:26,260 kid I was I was mad about movies but it 107 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:28,405 was a long time is my I suppose my 108 00:05:28,605 --> 00:05:31,832 career my life just sort of gradually 109 00:05:32,032 --> 00:05:35,260 sort of gradually grew into my dreams 110 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:36,950 really you know I became a 111 00:05:37,150 --> 00:05:39,464 cinematographer because at 14 after 112 00:05:39,664 --> 00:05:41,779 being interested in photography for 113 00:05:41,979 --> 00:05:44,234 about four years I met a cinematographer 114 00:05:44,434 --> 00:05:46,287 in the day I met him I decided that's 115 00:05:46,487 --> 00:05:48,708 what I wanted to do for the rest of my 116 00:05:48,908 --> 00:05:50,923 life I got interested when I first saw a 117 00:05:51,123 --> 00:05:53,139 demonstration of color television and I 118 00:05:53,339 --> 00:05:54,500 had gone to movies and had 119 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:56,010 black-and-white television but when I 120 00:05:56,210 --> 00:05:57,695 saw color I said I have to find out how 121 00:05:57,895 --> 00:05:59,807 they do this even though in those days 122 00:06:00,007 --> 00:06:01,903 you really had no hope of ever becoming 123 00:06:02,103 --> 00:06:03,956 anyone in the movie business unless 124 00:06:04,156 --> 00:06:06,010 you're somehow connected to somebody in 125 00:06:06,210 --> 00:06:07,810 the business well my father was a 126 00:06:08,010 --> 00:06:09,410 cinematographer I was born into it 127 00:06:09,610 --> 00:06:12,194 my dad was an animation count I was in a 128 00:06:12,394 --> 00:06:14,982 family business my father my uncle and 129 00:06:15,182 --> 00:06:17,426 my grandfather and all of the relatives 130 00:06:17,626 --> 00:06:19,773 that I can remember on my father's side 131 00:06:19,973 --> 00:06:21,696 were barbers my father was a makeup 132 00:06:21,896 --> 00:06:24,188 artist at Warner Brothers Brooklyn 133 00:06:24,388 --> 00:06:26,394 during the Depression so I was always 134 00:06:26,594 --> 00:06:28,531 around hanging around hanging around and 135 00:06:28,731 --> 00:06:31,280 I decided I want to be an actor early on 136 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,030 when I was a kid lucky for me I changed 137 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:36,220 my mind I became a cinematographer 138 00:06:36,420 --> 00:06:38,210 because of the influence of my 139 00:06:38,410 --> 00:06:41,505 grandmother and she was a schoolteacher 140 00:06:41,705 --> 00:06:44,862 must find Mexico when I was in Mexico 141 00:06:45,062 --> 00:06:48,221 being been from a family of actors and 142 00:06:48,421 --> 00:06:52,270 filmmakers my aunt who along with my 143 00:06:52,470 --> 00:06:55,690 mother we're both extras and my aunt 144 00:06:55,890 --> 00:06:59,110 said Billy you're gonna go to school 145 00:06:59,310 --> 00:07:00,020 and you're gonna become a 146 00:07:00,220 --> 00:07:02,640 cinematographer and I said what do you 147 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:05,060 mean and she said they're the most 148 00:07:05,260 --> 00:07:07,990 respected people on the set they're all 149 00:07:08,190 --> 00:07:09,430 wear ties 150 00:07:09,630 --> 00:07:12,320 and it's a great profession my dad 151 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,380 always contended it was a great business 152 00:07:14,580 --> 00:07:17,155 to fall back on if you had another 153 00:07:17,355 --> 00:07:19,367 opportunity little did I know I spent 154 00:07:19,567 --> 00:07:21,580 seven years cutting hair waiting for an 155 00:07:21,780 --> 00:07:22,189 opportunity 156 00:07:22,389 --> 00:07:23,999 my father was head of the Portrait 157 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:25,939 Gallery at Warner's my mother had been 158 00:07:26,139 --> 00:07:28,604 an art dealer my father was a painter 159 00:07:28,804 --> 00:07:30,612 and sculptor so if I went to become a 160 00:07:30,812 --> 00:07:32,591 lawyer or a doctor I think I would have 161 00:07:32,791 --> 00:07:34,570 been disowned I could never draw or 162 00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:35,719 paint or do anything like that 163 00:07:35,919 --> 00:07:38,219 I picked this camera up and I could 164 00:07:38,419 --> 00:07:40,654 paint mother says wreck and Menace in 165 00:07:40,854 --> 00:07:43,027 Minnesota I was born and raised in 166 00:07:43,227 --> 00:07:45,308 Chicago I was born in Hungary Sydney 167 00:07:45,508 --> 00:07:47,590 Australia born and raised in Los Angeles 168 00:07:47,790 --> 00:07:49,389 I grew up in Mexico I grew up in 169 00:07:49,589 --> 00:07:49,910 Cleveland Ohio 170 00:07:50,110 --> 00:07:51,929 I'm originally from Poland this was o 171 00:07:52,129 --> 00:07:53,899 Claire Wisconsin you know I come from an 172 00:07:54,099 --> 00:07:56,594 area of Italy where which is very far 173 00:07:56,794 --> 00:07:59,622 away from any movie industry we go back 174 00:07:59,822 --> 00:08:02,650 actually to Jerusalem when I started I 175 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:05,089 built a tent and I start pick up 176 00:08:05,289 --> 00:08:07,079 cartoons splicing together I love film 177 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:09,034 because all I've ever done really it's 178 00:08:09,234 --> 00:08:11,601 all I've ever done from right from when 179 00:08:11,801 --> 00:08:14,169 I left school at 15 I joined I joined 180 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:15,230 path a news 181 00:08:15,430 --> 00:08:17,889 I started in television when I was 16 as 182 00:08:18,089 --> 00:08:20,094 a props boy I was a messenger boy 183 00:08:20,294 --> 00:08:22,396 running up and down Water Street with 184 00:08:22,596 --> 00:08:24,699 cans of film I was lucky that my father 185 00:08:24,899 --> 00:08:27,920 as a beautiful dream he was a 186 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,810 projectionist in a very big company in 187 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:33,919 Italy in the 15 it looks film looks 188 00:08:34,119 --> 00:08:37,124 fitting and it was dreaming probably to 189 00:08:37,324 --> 00:08:40,916 be part of the image they were screen so 190 00:08:41,116 --> 00:08:44,687 it put his dream on me when I was a kid 191 00:08:44,887 --> 00:08:47,443 I liked still photography loved it I 192 00:08:47,643 --> 00:08:50,246 thought for a while I wanted to be a 193 00:08:50,446 --> 00:08:52,518 photographer for Life magazine like Jean 194 00:08:52,718 --> 00:08:55,034 Smith who was one am I here my childhood 195 00:08:55,234 --> 00:08:57,686 heroes and the year I was a senior in 196 00:08:57,886 --> 00:09:00,273 high school life folded and I ended up 197 00:09:00,473 --> 00:09:02,241 starting go to university because of not 198 00:09:02,441 --> 00:09:04,245 knowing any better I'm not daring to 199 00:09:04,445 --> 00:09:06,282 apply to film school and then when I 200 00:09:06,482 --> 00:09:08,771 went to college I kind of was trying to 201 00:09:08,971 --> 00:09:11,005 decide should I go into filmmaking which 202 00:09:11,205 --> 00:09:13,292 see my jumping off a cliff if you were 203 00:09:13,492 --> 00:09:15,621 in Detroit in college I was a lighting 204 00:09:15,821 --> 00:09:18,105 designer I was the AV guy was a town 205 00:09:18,305 --> 00:09:20,589 projectionist I was also the school 206 00:09:20,789 --> 00:09:22,050 projections every school 207 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:24,820 - it was in school studying mathematics 208 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:27,180 and physics I studied engineering in 209 00:09:27,380 --> 00:09:29,455 college I'm educated as the mechanical 210 00:09:29,655 --> 00:09:31,537 engineer in Copenhagen Denmark I was 211 00:09:31,737 --> 00:09:33,973 studying English literature at Hofstra 212 00:09:34,173 --> 00:09:36,410 University and I needed six credits to 213 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:38,340 graduate and I took a film course 214 00:09:38,540 --> 00:09:40,160 well my first love really was journalism 215 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,240 I began studying architecture in 216 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,610 addition to your film studies I was an 217 00:09:45,810 --> 00:09:48,255 architecture student and I was faced 218 00:09:48,455 --> 00:09:50,700 with a difficult model I which I 219 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:53,035 couldn't build so I decided to make an 220 00:09:53,235 --> 00:09:55,207 animated film but I remembered when I 221 00:09:55,407 --> 00:09:57,403 was cutting it together between two very 222 00:09:57,603 --> 00:09:59,236 old VCRs and I thirty minutes had passed 223 00:09:59,436 --> 00:10:01,293 and I was getting hungry and I looked up 224 00:10:01,493 --> 00:10:03,131 in actually six hours had passed and I 225 00:10:03,331 --> 00:10:05,310 realized hmm and I never really lost 226 00:10:05,510 --> 00:10:07,285 track of time doing calculus I went to 227 00:10:07,485 --> 00:10:09,367 Johns Hopkins as an undergraduate to 228 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:11,908 become a physician first I was a movie 229 00:10:12,108 --> 00:10:14,450 buff like watching Favreau teams or the 230 00:10:14,650 --> 00:10:15,660 cinematic machines 231 00:10:15,860 --> 00:10:18,610 I mean projected not tapes at the time 232 00:10:18,810 --> 00:10:21,560 and of course my studies I was studying 233 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,645 many medicine at the time medical 234 00:10:23,845 --> 00:10:26,127 studies but of course I was such a 235 00:10:26,327 --> 00:10:28,610 failure so I had to do something else 236 00:10:28,810 --> 00:10:30,780 and one day once a movie Akira 237 00:10:30,980 --> 00:10:33,100 Kurosawa's Ron and I was pretty blown 238 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:35,340 away I thought if that's something you 239 00:10:35,540 --> 00:10:37,945 can do I want to do it and seemed like 240 00:10:38,145 --> 00:10:40,192 he film was closer to dreams than the 241 00:10:40,392 --> 00:10:42,111 rest of the art work I was doing the 242 00:10:42,311 --> 00:10:44,690 next big influence would probably be 243 00:10:44,890 --> 00:10:46,760 days of heaven this happened when I was 244 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,830 in college the end of high school I was 245 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:50,915 happen to be was in a library and I was 246 00:10:51,115 --> 00:10:53,382 walking through the stacks and a book of 247 00:10:53,582 --> 00:10:55,471 a red cover caught my eye and it was 248 00:10:55,671 --> 00:10:58,075 called the work of the motion picture 249 00:10:58,275 --> 00:10:59,962 Cameron by Freddy Young BSC and I said 250 00:11:00,162 --> 00:11:01,971 oh what's that what's the motion picture 251 00:11:02,171 --> 00:11:04,055 camera man in film school I met a young 252 00:11:04,255 --> 00:11:06,807 gentleman by the name of Spike Lee and I 253 00:11:07,007 --> 00:11:09,038 shot all of his student projects in the 254 00:11:09,238 --> 00:11:12,644 second and third years I didn't go to 255 00:11:12,844 --> 00:11:15,422 film school I worked on a lot of a lot 256 00:11:15,622 --> 00:11:18,000 of student films I came out of film 257 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,230 school and then didn't work for a lot of 258 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:22,185 years I was painting the first year out 259 00:11:22,385 --> 00:11:24,332 of art school I wanted to be a painter 260 00:11:24,532 --> 00:11:26,411 at one time as much as I loved painting 261 00:11:26,611 --> 00:11:29,400 I couldn't I couldn't get them to move 262 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,570 they were like and I took trying to get 263 00:11:31,770 --> 00:11:33,740 them to move and the only way I could do 264 00:11:33,940 --> 00:11:34,410 that was 265 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:37,555 shooting little films I had a dream I 266 00:11:37,755 --> 00:11:40,822 dreamt of Gandhi and a spinning wheel 267 00:11:41,022 --> 00:11:43,890 and the life magazine pictures that 268 00:11:44,090 --> 00:11:46,060 market pork whited shot and in the dream 269 00:11:46,260 --> 00:11:47,925 they animated not only did the spinning 270 00:11:48,125 --> 00:11:50,027 wheel move but the camera moves around 271 00:11:50,227 --> 00:11:52,130 it and I took that as a sign that maybe 272 00:11:52,330 --> 00:11:54,890 it was time I add the dimension of 273 00:11:55,090 --> 00:11:59,150 motion to to my still photography as a 274 00:11:59,350 --> 00:12:03,410 designer or as an illustrator I would be 275 00:12:03,610 --> 00:12:05,670 dealing with single image and they 276 00:12:05,870 --> 00:12:08,185 became increasingly frustrating just to 277 00:12:08,385 --> 00:12:11,152 be looking at a single image for a long 278 00:12:11,352 --> 00:12:14,721 time and and and being just began to 279 00:12:14,921 --> 00:12:18,755 think of sequence of images to tell tell 280 00:12:18,955 --> 00:12:22,902 stories I was the secretary in the KQED 281 00:12:23,102 --> 00:12:25,965 and I watched the people come out of the 282 00:12:26,165 --> 00:12:28,922 the film Department every day carrying 283 00:12:29,122 --> 00:12:31,541 silver cases and wearing Levi's and I 284 00:12:31,741 --> 00:12:34,035 didn't want to wear nylons anymore I 285 00:12:34,235 --> 00:12:36,002 said truly and I started working with 286 00:12:36,202 --> 00:12:38,276 the film paper film department on the 287 00:12:38,476 --> 00:12:40,778 weekends started actually as a stagehand 288 00:12:40,978 --> 00:12:43,079 I started off as a documentary still 289 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:45,444 photographer I started as an underwater 290 00:12:45,644 --> 00:12:47,677 camera in the US Navy and I was working 291 00:12:47,877 --> 00:12:49,693 as a waiter I started off as an animator 292 00:12:49,893 --> 00:12:51,710 when I graduated college I arrived here 293 00:12:51,910 --> 00:12:53,795 in Los Angeles and sought work and 294 00:12:53,995 --> 00:12:55,512 initially couldn't get the time of day 295 00:12:55,712 --> 00:12:57,901 from anybody when I moved to New York 296 00:12:58,101 --> 00:13:00,820 and answered an ad in The Village Voice 297 00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:03,510 which got me onto a real movie had a 298 00:13:03,710 --> 00:13:06,880 friend that was working on a low-budget 299 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,555 horror film in South Carolina and I went 300 00:13:09,755 --> 00:13:12,537 down there and worked as a PA started 301 00:13:12,737 --> 00:13:15,608 right from the bottom I was a PA I was a 302 00:13:15,808 --> 00:13:17,848 assistant to the lowest assistant I did 303 00:13:18,048 --> 00:13:20,274 everything from sweeping the floor to 304 00:13:20,474 --> 00:13:22,927 projecting the film when I started in 305 00:13:23,127 --> 00:13:25,498 the business the only equipment diverse 306 00:13:25,698 --> 00:13:27,714 trusted grid was a broom when I was 26 307 00:13:27,914 --> 00:13:29,730 years old I finished film school in 308 00:13:29,930 --> 00:13:32,635 Hungary I went to film school in Hungary 309 00:13:32,835 --> 00:13:36,067 and the revolution came in 1956 against 310 00:13:36,267 --> 00:13:39,433 Russians with my friend boomer segment 311 00:13:39,633 --> 00:13:42,631 we covered all the cinematographers in 312 00:13:42,831 --> 00:13:45,565 the Revolution we were shooting for this 313 00:13:45,765 --> 00:13:48,500 documentary footage we shot about 30,000 314 00:13:48,700 --> 00:13:50,750 feet of film and we had the meeting 315 00:13:50,950 --> 00:13:53,120 secretly think that that some people 316 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,444 will have to volunteer to go to the West 317 00:13:55,644 --> 00:13:57,769 and take the footage out we smuggled it 318 00:13:57,969 --> 00:14:00,499 out and we couldn't obviously we 319 00:14:00,699 --> 00:14:03,244 couldn't go back and I volunteered 320 00:14:03,444 --> 00:14:06,657 actually it was I had the reason to go 321 00:14:06,857 --> 00:14:09,533 as long as we figured we are here in the 322 00:14:09,733 --> 00:14:12,696 West this was still in Germany I'm in 323 00:14:12,896 --> 00:14:15,660 Austria Vienna - well let's go to 324 00:14:15,860 --> 00:14:18,475 Hollywood of course that was easy to say 325 00:14:18,675 --> 00:14:20,797 but it but in reality actually if you 326 00:14:20,997 --> 00:14:23,638 don't know the language you don't know 327 00:14:23,838 --> 00:14:26,363 anybody and you you go and visit all the 328 00:14:26,563 --> 00:14:28,956 Hungarians who are in in the business in 329 00:14:29,156 --> 00:14:31,753 those days you know like your Pasternak 330 00:14:31,953 --> 00:14:34,756 Josh I got bored and you can name all of 331 00:14:34,956 --> 00:14:37,142 them and and then we thought that maybe 332 00:14:37,342 --> 00:14:39,925 that can help us to get into the film 333 00:14:40,125 --> 00:14:42,682 business but then work that way actually 334 00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:44,871 you know they said that first you have 335 00:14:45,071 --> 00:14:47,645 to show what you can do and then we can 336 00:14:47,845 --> 00:14:49,962 help you and I didn't realize it once be 337 00:14:50,162 --> 00:14:52,279 short but we can do we didn't need that 338 00:14:52,479 --> 00:14:53,250 help anymore 339 00:14:53,450 --> 00:14:56,390 like I couldn't get best secretaries at 340 00:14:56,590 --> 00:15:00,449 one point I said that resumes hand 341 00:15:00,649 --> 00:15:04,149 printed on sandpaper just so they would 342 00:15:04,349 --> 00:15:07,850 remember it you know I sent the resumes 343 00:15:08,050 --> 00:15:10,430 written on short cardboard so they 344 00:15:10,630 --> 00:15:12,965 couldn't crumple it up and toss it in 345 00:15:13,165 --> 00:15:14,847 the wastebasket my family won't know 346 00:15:15,047 --> 00:15:17,888 well what are you gonna do with your 347 00:15:18,088 --> 00:15:20,939 life now and they had some some business 348 00:15:21,139 --> 00:15:23,990 ideas some things that I should do to 349 00:15:24,190 --> 00:15:26,520 make something of myself 350 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,584 my father always would say to me when I 351 00:15:28,784 --> 00:15:31,042 was first starting out well why don't 352 00:15:31,242 --> 00:15:34,056 you join CBS oh why don't you get a real 353 00:15:34,256 --> 00:15:36,583 job as you know a cameraman on a news 354 00:15:36,783 --> 00:15:39,110 station became a news cameraman for the 355 00:15:39,310 --> 00:15:41,110 16 mill bill and Hal black 356 00:15:41,310 --> 00:15:44,005 we used to take great pride in shooting 357 00:15:44,205 --> 00:15:46,307 3d do stories on 100 feet of film River 358 00:15:46,507 --> 00:15:48,413 paradox channel with save money and I 359 00:15:48,613 --> 00:15:50,446 managed to get into the government 360 00:15:50,646 --> 00:15:52,280 station which is the Australian 361 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,005 Broadcasting Commission and there was 362 00:15:55,205 --> 00:15:57,462 quite a good little group of features 363 00:15:57,662 --> 00:15:59,920 type cameraman there from the early days 364 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,720 a lot of them were X World War two 365 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,890 combat cameraman so you had this amazing 366 00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:09,230 crossover between fairly sophisticated 367 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:12,675 features cameraman and rough-and-tumble 368 00:16:12,875 --> 00:16:15,282 alcoholic combat cameraman so it was a 369 00:16:15,482 --> 00:16:18,096 good learning process you didn't know 370 00:16:18,296 --> 00:16:20,978 who you'd be going out with to a system 371 00:16:21,178 --> 00:16:23,664 but you did either end up you know doing 372 00:16:23,864 --> 00:16:25,892 a lovely job of something or totally 373 00:16:26,092 --> 00:16:27,831 drunk I had a couple guys live next door 374 00:16:28,031 --> 00:16:29,625 to me and they asked me if I wanted a 375 00:16:29,825 --> 00:16:31,647 job and I got a job at a television 376 00:16:31,847 --> 00:16:33,558 station no pushing dollies and the boom 377 00:16:33,758 --> 00:16:35,984 and all of that stuff and it seemed like 378 00:16:36,184 --> 00:16:38,410 the coolest guys on the set were around 379 00:16:38,610 --> 00:16:38,930 the camera 380 00:16:39,130 --> 00:16:42,330 I started in 1943 and I worked eight 381 00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:45,530 years as an assistant cameraman and 382 00:16:45,730 --> 00:16:47,445 showed up first day of work with a paper 383 00:16:47,645 --> 00:16:49,317 bag and a tape measure I was never an 384 00:16:49,517 --> 00:16:51,483 assistant I was never an operator 385 00:16:51,683 --> 00:16:53,450 actually even loaded mags and slept 386 00:16:53,650 --> 00:16:56,070 slates for a long time clean tripods and 387 00:16:56,270 --> 00:16:58,400 cleaned up the equipment in the cases 388 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,450 and and drove the gear from place to 389 00:17:00,650 --> 00:17:02,225 place anything good that ever happened 390 00:17:02,425 --> 00:17:04,432 to me happening because of someone else 391 00:17:04,632 --> 00:17:07,226 giving me an opportunity the thing about 392 00:17:07,426 --> 00:17:10,443 the businesses generosity of people so I 393 00:17:10,643 --> 00:17:13,660 had a wonderful learning experiences and 394 00:17:13,860 --> 00:17:15,800 working relationships with oh and 395 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,890 royzman taught me to see in a tenth of a 396 00:17:18,090 --> 00:17:19,869 stop you know I always say when I'm 397 00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:21,999 teaching students anything is 398 00:17:22,199 --> 00:17:25,839 cinematography is an art form but at the 399 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:27,649 same time it's a craft and it's 400 00:17:27,849 --> 00:17:29,789 definitely a combination of the two one 401 00:17:29,989 --> 00:17:31,729 of my mentors at Dartmouth was Andy 402 00:17:31,929 --> 00:17:34,150 Laszlo he was invited to talk about half 403 00:17:34,350 --> 00:17:36,170 an hour to our to our class on 404 00:17:36,370 --> 00:17:38,685 cinematography and two days later he was 405 00:17:38,885 --> 00:17:41,292 still talking so Andy was a great mentor 406 00:17:41,492 --> 00:17:43,961 and a great inspiration and probably one 407 00:17:44,161 --> 00:17:46,235 of the reasons why I really wanted to 408 00:17:46,435 --> 00:17:48,510 get into the business you have to be 409 00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:51,200 totally absolutely 410 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,110 committed to it you have to it has to 411 00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:59,020 become religion you have to eat it sleep 412 00:17:59,220 --> 00:18:02,605 eat talk it and go after every 413 00:18:02,805 --> 00:18:05,990 opportunity is to get yourself 414 00:18:06,190 --> 00:18:08,070 established and in the process I ran 415 00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:10,150 into this wonderful man who eventually 416 00:18:10,350 --> 00:18:11,780 became my mentor Ron Dexter 417 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:14,355 and I would say Ron Dexter was an 418 00:18:14,555 --> 00:18:16,437 inspiration to so many of us I taught 419 00:18:16,637 --> 00:18:18,498 all along once I knew something I'd 420 00:18:18,698 --> 00:18:20,534 share whatever I knew he would have 421 00:18:20,734 --> 00:18:22,447 occasional symposiums where he would 422 00:18:22,647 --> 00:18:24,503 talk about what he was doing and show 423 00:18:24,703 --> 00:18:26,296 the experiments that he was making and 424 00:18:26,496 --> 00:18:28,090 then he'd have us all bring in pieces of 425 00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:30,010 film what we were shooting and have 426 00:18:30,210 --> 00:18:33,055 group discussions I was lucky that the 427 00:18:33,255 --> 00:18:36,302 gaffer really took an interest in my 428 00:18:36,502 --> 00:18:39,096 learning electricity and light my mentor 429 00:18:39,296 --> 00:18:41,453 in Hollywood is the cinematographer Bill 430 00:18:41,653 --> 00:18:43,441 Maher cygwin I had the opportunity to 431 00:18:43,641 --> 00:18:45,665 work with Vittorio here in Los Angeles 432 00:18:45,865 --> 00:18:48,172 and I would pick up mr. Ferraro at the 433 00:18:48,372 --> 00:18:50,416 at the hotel and sunset every morning 434 00:18:50,616 --> 00:18:53,003 and we were drive by drive him to work 435 00:18:53,203 --> 00:18:55,771 and I would ask him a question about 436 00:18:55,971 --> 00:18:58,040 maybe composition or a certain scene 437 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,945 we're doing today and then I would get a 438 00:19:01,145 --> 00:19:04,447 30 or 40 minute lecture I felt like a 439 00:19:04,647 --> 00:19:07,193 doctorate on composition or color or 440 00:19:07,393 --> 00:19:09,391 Yugoslavian primitive art or whatever it 441 00:19:09,591 --> 00:19:11,675 was that was his inspiration for that 442 00:19:11,875 --> 00:19:13,627 for that film so when I was young and I 443 00:19:13,827 --> 00:19:15,353 was mentoring it was a really unique 444 00:19:15,553 --> 00:19:17,080 opportunity to get to spend time with 445 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,760 these people and really sort of 446 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,250 understand their thought process I mean 447 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:23,230 I can remember with Vittorio bringing my 448 00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:25,210 light meter in a sketchbook around and I 449 00:19:25,410 --> 00:19:27,290 used to just berate me and he'd say 450 00:19:27,490 --> 00:19:28,930 that's not what it's about it's you know 451 00:19:29,130 --> 00:19:31,600 it's from the heart it's about the 452 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,610 emotion and I thought to myself yeah 453 00:19:33,810 --> 00:19:35,590 yeah that's all good and well your 454 00:19:35,790 --> 00:19:37,240 Vittorio Storaro I was always supposed 455 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,145 to be told you stood out even in my 456 00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:41,050 beginning when I started there was 457 00:19:41,250 --> 00:19:43,640 nobody knew me nobody 458 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,655 you know so myself compared to what I 459 00:19:47,855 --> 00:19:52,062 did before I think the you should be 460 00:19:52,262 --> 00:19:55,196 always yourself from when you start from 461 00:19:55,396 --> 00:19:58,330 when you are in the journey or when you 462 00:19:58,530 --> 00:19:59,590 think you reach one specific place 463 00:19:59,790 --> 00:20:02,710 that's part of your personality part of 464 00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:06,715 your way of thinking but you always do 465 00:20:06,915 --> 00:20:09,617 it many times yes young cinematographer 466 00:20:09,817 --> 00:20:12,568 telling me you can do that or maybe 467 00:20:12,768 --> 00:20:15,004 refuse the project or maybe do one 468 00:20:15,204 --> 00:20:17,887 selection in your life because you are 469 00:20:18,087 --> 00:20:20,828 now this kind of person I always did 470 00:20:21,028 --> 00:20:23,889 that I mean I remember that on the first 471 00:20:24,089 --> 00:20:28,554 film germinate surgery Nitza and I was 472 00:20:28,754 --> 00:20:31,937 doing tests for actors everywhere like 473 00:20:32,137 --> 00:20:34,783 more or less your crew was much more 474 00:20:34,983 --> 00:20:37,511 cruel we were working in a very simple 475 00:20:37,711 --> 00:20:40,375 way and just try to understand what the 476 00:20:40,575 --> 00:20:43,142 movie's supposed to look like and so now 477 00:20:43,342 --> 00:20:45,801 I find myself uncomfortable for what did 478 00:20:46,001 --> 00:20:48,400 he had to ask me to do and I was forced 479 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,000 to do it and at the end of the day I was 480 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,770 28 I say to him goodbye 481 00:20:54,970 --> 00:20:56,150 I don't think I came back tomorrow 482 00:20:56,350 --> 00:20:58,140 because I love you you need me you need 483 00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:00,875 someone someone to just put one light 484 00:21:01,075 --> 00:21:04,102 just let you see whoever's in front to 485 00:21:04,302 --> 00:21:06,751 you not in a particular way they you 486 00:21:06,951 --> 00:21:09,400 want to see this person so I don't think 487 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,160 I came back tomorrow 488 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:13,980 I was might that two years before I we 489 00:21:14,180 --> 00:21:17,480 already have one daughter and my wife 490 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,135 was petting a child we had the only $50 491 00:21:21,335 --> 00:21:24,582 imbalance and I say no no is a very 492 00:21:24,782 --> 00:21:27,266 important word very important yes it's 493 00:21:27,466 --> 00:21:29,538 not a good word all the time you know I 494 00:21:29,738 --> 00:21:31,859 mean it doesn't get you more work in 495 00:21:32,059 --> 00:21:34,324 fact no gets you more work than yes 496 00:21:34,524 --> 00:21:36,757 because anything works while you're 497 00:21:36,957 --> 00:21:38,990 shooting it nothing works in the 498 00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:41,145 screening room if it's no good so what 499 00:21:41,345 --> 00:21:42,972 they said the day before they can't 500 00:21:43,172 --> 00:21:45,446 remember when they get in the screening 501 00:21:45,646 --> 00:21:47,478 room so if you said no to something bad 502 00:21:47,678 --> 00:21:49,259 and it turns out to be right in the 503 00:21:49,459 --> 00:21:51,499 screening room they forget about the 504 00:21:51,699 --> 00:21:53,709 know the day before but they never 505 00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:56,044 forget about the yes if it's no good 506 00:21:56,244 --> 00:21:58,180 and this was wonderful and I was 507 00:21:58,380 --> 00:22:01,820 victorious tonight oh then on my first 508 00:22:02,020 --> 00:22:04,375 film I believe a cinematographer should 509 00:22:04,575 --> 00:22:06,792 always be interpreting we should never 510 00:22:06,992 --> 00:22:08,826 be recording but adding their point of 511 00:22:09,026 --> 00:22:11,823 view their interpretation to anything 512 00:22:12,023 --> 00:22:14,296 and in order to interpret you have to 513 00:22:14,496 --> 00:22:16,298 make a commentary have to say something 514 00:22:16,498 --> 00:22:18,300 about it either with light and dark or 515 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:20,280 color composition or textures or 516 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,830 whatever to shoot it in a gritty grainy 517 00:22:23,030 --> 00:22:25,140 handle way or do you do it in a very 518 00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:27,570 beautifully lit way with glided tracks 519 00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:30,045 you have to make a decision so it's not 520 00:22:30,245 --> 00:22:32,212 always as obvious what style you would 521 00:22:32,412 --> 00:22:34,286 want to use to make the film when you do 522 00:22:34,486 --> 00:22:36,688 a scene you ask yourself what do you are 523 00:22:36,888 --> 00:22:38,654 the audience to think or feel the end of 524 00:22:38,854 --> 00:22:41,212 this scene they didn't at the beginning 525 00:22:41,412 --> 00:22:43,676 of the same so what path do we take that 526 00:22:43,876 --> 00:22:46,140 will evoke that emotional response by 527 00:22:46,340 --> 00:22:48,250 the end of the scene style yeah 528 00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:50,555 everybody wants a story about style you 529 00:22:50,755 --> 00:22:53,492 know how you get the formula well there 530 00:22:53,692 --> 00:22:56,446 is no formula because style comes out of 531 00:22:56,646 --> 00:22:59,348 you I mean people who like to hear that 532 00:22:59,548 --> 00:23:01,699 you did this you did that but really the 533 00:23:01,899 --> 00:23:03,954 reason you did it is for something that 534 00:23:04,154 --> 00:23:06,117 you were thinking and I actually it 535 00:23:06,317 --> 00:23:08,353 comes out of your life what you've been 536 00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:11,001 exposed to who you are what you think 537 00:23:11,201 --> 00:23:13,650 and that's what ends up on the screen 538 00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:19,040 and style basically comes out of 539 00:23:19,730 --> 00:23:23,460 conceiving designing creating a a visual 540 00:23:23,660 --> 00:23:27,810 approach to a particular story style is 541 00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:31,140 an individual artists own take on things 542 00:23:31,340 --> 00:23:33,630 it's not a coat of paint it's not a suit 543 00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:35,730 that you can just put on it's not a coat 544 00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:37,980 of paint you can just put on a building 545 00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:40,470 it's not surface I'd like to think that 546 00:23:40,670 --> 00:23:42,960 my style is based on the translation of 547 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,350 the material and I think the most 548 00:23:44,550 --> 00:23:47,165 important thing is the the narrative and 549 00:23:47,365 --> 00:23:50,057 our job is to is to take that narrative 550 00:23:50,257 --> 00:23:52,950 and translate it into into imagery style 551 00:23:53,150 --> 00:23:54,100 of the picture and the look of the 552 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:56,690 picture it starts with the written word 553 00:23:56,890 --> 00:23:58,825 first you read the script start at the 554 00:23:59,025 --> 00:24:00,777 story it's always always always about 555 00:24:00,977 --> 00:24:02,848 the story the script obviously it starts 556 00:24:03,048 --> 00:24:05,144 with the script the story the material 557 00:24:05,344 --> 00:24:07,440 the written word starts with the script 558 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,374 you've got to know the script that 559 00:24:09,574 --> 00:24:11,271 number one you read the script and you 560 00:24:11,471 --> 00:24:12,969 try to figure out what this movie's 561 00:24:13,169 --> 00:24:15,259 gonna look like I mean if I get a script 562 00:24:15,459 --> 00:24:17,394 I really like to read it at least 10 563 00:24:17,594 --> 00:24:19,529 times when you first read the script you 564 00:24:19,729 --> 00:24:20,800 have no idea the cast is what the 565 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,835 location is what the sets are like what 566 00:24:23,035 --> 00:24:24,647 the Wardrobe is but you have a vision is 567 00:24:24,847 --> 00:24:26,888 you come up with pictures you read any 568 00:24:27,088 --> 00:24:30,059 pictures I try to read it for just the 569 00:24:30,259 --> 00:24:32,894 words and the feeling of it I end up 570 00:24:33,094 --> 00:24:35,497 pre-visualize in it no matter how hard I 571 00:24:35,697 --> 00:24:38,418 try not to you first you need the script 572 00:24:38,618 --> 00:24:41,340 and maybe you already have some ideas 573 00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:42,089 how it should look 574 00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:45,630 but the basic thing is that you sit down 575 00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:47,565 with the director and start to talk 576 00:24:47,765 --> 00:24:49,567 about the movie first when I read the 577 00:24:49,767 --> 00:24:52,368 script I never almost never have any 578 00:24:52,568 --> 00:24:54,729 ideas of images and trying to just to 579 00:24:54,929 --> 00:24:57,090 read to see if I would like to see it as 580 00:24:57,290 --> 00:24:59,129 a story at all and also because I 581 00:24:59,329 --> 00:25:00,809 probably because I'm I don't want to 582 00:25:01,009 --> 00:25:02,534 maybe it's wrong I don't know better 583 00:25:02,734 --> 00:25:04,060 maybe I don't want to come to the 584 00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:06,179 meeting and meet the director and say oh 585 00:25:06,379 --> 00:25:08,024 I see very strong colors and the 586 00:25:08,224 --> 00:25:10,716 director say well I see it black and 587 00:25:10,916 --> 00:25:13,713 white so I guess for this reason I just 588 00:25:13,913 --> 00:25:16,111 restrain myself to have any idea in the 589 00:25:16,311 --> 00:25:18,150 beginning and not only the first meeting 590 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,534 but also in the first weeks where I see 591 00:25:20,734 --> 00:25:23,197 my job I like trying to be more like a 592 00:25:23,397 --> 00:25:25,803 sponge and to try to get any information 593 00:25:26,003 --> 00:25:28,741 I can get I very often don't really know 594 00:25:28,941 --> 00:25:31,679 I have my ideas and then you know I let 595 00:25:31,879 --> 00:25:33,719 it I listen a lot and I just walk 596 00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:36,224 through it and pretend I know I don't 597 00:25:36,424 --> 00:25:38,302 have a clue and because it sort of comes 598 00:25:38,502 --> 00:25:40,196 later I really do believe every film 599 00:25:40,396 --> 00:25:42,268 that I've done has sort of found its own 600 00:25:42,468 --> 00:25:44,083 style somehow basically you haven't you 601 00:25:44,283 --> 00:25:45,846 have a great idea or you have an idea 602 00:25:46,046 --> 00:25:47,778 what you want this picture your picture 603 00:25:47,978 --> 00:25:50,333 to look like I call yours because you're 604 00:25:50,533 --> 00:25:52,661 working on it and you talk with your 605 00:25:52,861 --> 00:25:56,085 director and it's usually you and the 606 00:25:56,285 --> 00:25:59,137 director who who who find a bond who 607 00:25:59,337 --> 00:26:01,428 form a marriage and that's what it's all 608 00:26:01,628 --> 00:26:03,608 about and when you go to work with a 609 00:26:03,808 --> 00:26:06,094 director I think you have to find out 610 00:26:06,294 --> 00:26:08,462 what is inside his or her head I'd like 611 00:26:08,662 --> 00:26:11,380 to break down the screenplay with the 612 00:26:11,580 --> 00:26:14,180 director scene foreseeing act by act 613 00:26:14,380 --> 00:26:16,539 discuss things back and forth until we 614 00:26:16,739 --> 00:26:18,919 know it's sort of the the right way to 615 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,299 do it and we'll bash it back and forth 616 00:26:21,499 --> 00:26:23,140 and and we'll keep landing on the 617 00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:25,385 same sort of thing and I think that the 618 00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:27,630 photography falls into place and that if 619 00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:29,445 we're talking about you know how to 620 00:26:29,645 --> 00:26:31,672 shoot something or what the mood is or 621 00:26:31,872 --> 00:26:34,046 how important something is I don't think 622 00:26:34,246 --> 00:26:36,698 the director and I discussed anything 623 00:26:36,898 --> 00:26:39,604 about the style of the film the style 624 00:26:39,804 --> 00:26:42,062 kind of grew out of itself as we work 625 00:26:42,262 --> 00:26:44,520 together they are cinematographers who 626 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,345 are cinematographer painters 627 00:26:46,545 --> 00:26:47,970 cinematographer engineers 628 00:26:48,170 --> 00:26:50,595 cinematographer editors I believe that 629 00:26:50,795 --> 00:26:53,197 I'm a bit of a cinematographer writer in 630 00:26:53,397 --> 00:26:56,133 as much as I try to penetrate a story 631 00:26:56,333 --> 00:26:58,711 really well and I try to find a way in 632 00:26:58,911 --> 00:27:01,185 which my lighting on my camera work 633 00:27:01,385 --> 00:27:04,157 becomes a character within the story 634 00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:07,328 that's why it's called - Imam Musa 635 00:27:07,528 --> 00:27:10,954 because he's nourish itself from the 636 00:27:11,154 --> 00:27:14,162 other Nine Muses from literature from 637 00:27:14,362 --> 00:27:18,616 painting from dancing from philosophy 638 00:27:18,816 --> 00:27:22,028 from sculpture from architecture only 639 00:27:22,228 --> 00:27:25,440 when you are cinema is really today that 640 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,830 in an art form 641 00:27:27,030 --> 00:27:29,885 there were combined all the different 642 00:27:30,085 --> 00:27:32,940 art form in this I think is one of the 643 00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:34,935 things how a style involves for a 644 00:27:35,135 --> 00:27:36,730 picture is that you look at films 645 00:27:36,930 --> 00:27:39,210 together you look at still photographs 646 00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:40,845 you look at paintings in a sense 647 00:27:41,045 --> 00:27:42,280 painters and cinematographers it's 648 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,420 they're cut from the same genetic strain 649 00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:47,710 I mean it's their special every 650 00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:50,000 cinematographer would love to shoot you 651 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,270 know from sunrise for about two hours 652 00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:54,305 and then stop when the lights no good in 653 00:27:54,505 --> 00:27:56,162 the middle of the day and then at the 654 00:27:56,362 --> 00:27:58,171 end of the day shoot at the end of the 655 00:27:58,371 --> 00:27:59,880 day that's like painters painters used 656 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,265 to go out really early in the morning 657 00:28:02,465 --> 00:28:04,447 and capture all their effects and I mean 658 00:28:04,647 --> 00:28:06,603 people said well why you know why did 659 00:28:06,803 --> 00:28:08,866 constable look look better than Turner 660 00:28:09,066 --> 00:28:10,898 and the answer always was constable got 661 00:28:11,098 --> 00:28:13,144 up earlier in the morning when I think 662 00:28:13,344 --> 00:28:16,007 of painters that I would like to make 663 00:28:16,207 --> 00:28:18,923 honorary members of the ASC I would in a 664 00:28:19,123 --> 00:28:21,840 second write a letter to the Membership 665 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,960 Committee for Monet 666 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,600 because Monet taught me a great deal 667 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,650 about color latitude and about 668 00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:32,350 atmosphere 669 00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:36,755 I'm always resourcing visuals sometimes 670 00:28:36,955 --> 00:28:40,112 music but usually visuals from all the 671 00:28:40,312 --> 00:28:43,016 other arts and bringing them together 672 00:28:43,216 --> 00:28:46,093 what I call my brain book which which is 673 00:28:46,293 --> 00:28:49,170 well before we start shooting sometimes 674 00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:52,730 becomes one or two volumes of 675 00:28:53,030 --> 00:28:56,310 photographs of drawings of diagrams of 676 00:28:56,510 --> 00:29:00,450 thoughts that I have about the look of a 677 00:29:00,650 --> 00:29:04,215 picture the idea being that that usually 678 00:29:04,415 --> 00:29:06,907 by the fourth and sometimes by the sixth 679 00:29:07,107 --> 00:29:10,578 week of a production everybody's brain 680 00:29:10,778 --> 00:29:13,704 dead everybody's exhausted and so having 681 00:29:13,904 --> 00:29:17,532 done that work in pre-production in a 682 00:29:17,732 --> 00:29:21,696 coherent state I have a bottom line of 683 00:29:21,896 --> 00:29:24,753 quality that a safety net that I can 684 00:29:24,953 --> 00:29:27,616 descend who by looking into that book 685 00:29:27,816 --> 00:29:30,280 and I'll always have that and then 686 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,660 everything else that I bring is is icing 687 00:29:32,860 --> 00:29:35,040 on the cake what I bring to the style of 688 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,680 a particular movie is that initial 689 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,650 intuitive impulse of how a movie should 690 00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:46,180 feel and the tone style though I think 691 00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:49,265 is so much besides the materials so much 692 00:29:49,465 --> 00:29:52,350 determined by the cinematographers life 693 00:29:52,550 --> 00:29:54,960 experiences and the things that 694 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,370 personally move the artist the 695 00:29:57,570 --> 00:30:00,095 cinematographer when you have an idea 696 00:30:00,295 --> 00:30:02,417 it's usually an idea of you've seen it 697 00:30:02,617 --> 00:30:05,663 you've heard it or you experienced it 698 00:30:05,863 --> 00:30:08,306 when I should movie even prep later in 699 00:30:08,506 --> 00:30:10,750 prep close to shooting I wake up at 700 00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:12,995 night two o'clock three o clock at night 701 00:30:13,195 --> 00:30:15,240 with thoughts with good ideas the best 702 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,660 ideas coming to thirty of nights 703 00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:19,040 ideally you bring your life experience 704 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,850 to the process of making a movie at its 705 00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:24,290 best so you connect to it in a way that 706 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:27,205 you want your audience to it has to do 707 00:30:27,405 --> 00:30:29,742 with the art you see the photographs the 708 00:30:29,942 --> 00:30:32,031 paintings and so on the images on the 709 00:30:32,231 --> 00:30:34,120 street sometimes delight the way it 710 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,380 falls in certain places on buildings and 711 00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:38,110 so on 712 00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:40,280 everything you've learned influences 713 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,145 what you do Raul Butare wonderful French 714 00:30:42,345 --> 00:30:44,010 Cameron talked about working with guitar 715 00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:45,705 and he said you don't know who this 716 00:30:45,905 --> 00:30:47,782 gentleman that walked through the door 717 00:30:47,982 --> 00:30:49,961 what is in his mind but the left side of 718 00:30:50,161 --> 00:30:51,980 the frame is striving for came from John 719 00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:53,905 Renoir silent film of the 20s and the 720 00:30:54,105 --> 00:30:56,007 right side is a poster he saw in the 721 00:30:56,207 --> 00:30:58,468 Metro that morning and I mean literally 722 00:30:58,668 --> 00:31:00,509 you find out what what is is creating 723 00:31:00,709 --> 00:31:02,550 the images in the directors head and how 724 00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:04,875 you translate those onto film but I 725 00:31:05,075 --> 00:31:07,792 think when you you're kind of looking 726 00:31:07,992 --> 00:31:10,496 for new ways to do things because you 727 00:31:10,696 --> 00:31:12,748 just don't want to be telling each story 728 00:31:12,948 --> 00:31:15,734 the same way that you've told the last 729 00:31:15,934 --> 00:31:18,037 so improvisation and imagination is 730 00:31:18,237 --> 00:31:20,140 really important I really like to 731 00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:22,500 research things have a clear idea what 732 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:23,680 I'm doing but then I also like to 733 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,660 respond to what happens you know at the 734 00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:29,785 moment I mean an actor can come in and 735 00:31:29,985 --> 00:31:32,710 their performance can so overpower 736 00:31:32,910 --> 00:31:35,510 something that you suddenly realize that 737 00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:38,800 what you imagined was an actor in you 738 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,420 know lost in a setting is suddenly a big 739 00:31:41,620 --> 00:31:43,540 close-up because the performance is so 740 00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:46,880 extraordinary I think you could always 741 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,645 arrive on a set or on a scene and sort 742 00:31:49,845 --> 00:31:51,912 of feel how it should be done and I 743 00:31:52,112 --> 00:31:54,171 think the doctor I like in even a 744 00:31:54,371 --> 00:31:56,430 shooting featuresnow if it looks good 745 00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:57,540 the way it is and it's going to 746 00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:58,905 photograph good the way it is don't 747 00:31:59,105 --> 00:32:00,070 change it don't start changing it 748 00:32:00,270 --> 00:32:02,150 there's just so many factors along the 749 00:32:02,350 --> 00:32:05,020 way that affect you and you you know I 750 00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:08,150 mean it's to some extent it's it's like 751 00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:11,065 you know learning everything you can and 752 00:32:11,265 --> 00:32:13,467 being well rehearsed but then when it 753 00:32:13,667 --> 00:32:15,853 really comes down to it it's like jazz 754 00:32:16,053 --> 00:32:17,871 in the sense that you respond to the 755 00:32:18,071 --> 00:32:19,690 things and you haven't flow with 756 00:32:19,890 --> 00:32:22,340 everything as it as it evolves on the 757 00:32:22,540 --> 00:32:25,700 set on a day as a musician will find a 758 00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:28,825 false in them that they can't really 759 00:32:29,025 --> 00:32:31,722 explain when they play or when they sing 760 00:32:31,922 --> 00:32:34,426 so so you can as a photographer and so 761 00:32:34,626 --> 00:32:37,263 you can as a cinematographer there is a 762 00:32:37,463 --> 00:32:40,021 there's an instinct I think that the 763 00:32:40,221 --> 00:32:42,975 visualization for me always came at the 764 00:32:43,175 --> 00:32:45,577 production meetings and the head banging 765 00:32:45,777 --> 00:32:48,180 that I would do with the director and 766 00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:49,330 the production designer your 767 00:32:49,530 --> 00:32:50,940 communication with your production 768 00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:51,820 designer is 769 00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:53,675 so important because the production 770 00:32:53,875 --> 00:32:55,847 designer and the cinematographer are 771 00:32:56,047 --> 00:32:58,283 there working with the director to find 772 00:32:58,483 --> 00:33:00,431 that look to find the style of a film 773 00:33:00,631 --> 00:33:02,555 the production designer is also a very 774 00:33:02,755 --> 00:33:04,472 key person for me I spent a lot of time 775 00:33:04,672 --> 00:33:07,336 in the art department talking about 776 00:33:07,536 --> 00:33:09,653 color practical lighting if they could 777 00:33:09,853 --> 00:33:12,221 build that into the set I've generally 778 00:33:12,421 --> 00:33:14,450 been on the film earlier than I would 779 00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:16,570 get there they might have done all the 780 00:33:16,770 --> 00:33:18,605 surveys through foreign countries or 781 00:33:18,805 --> 00:33:20,732 they've already started to design 782 00:33:20,932 --> 00:33:22,846 sometimes in fact most times they've 783 00:33:23,046 --> 00:33:24,833 started to build sets so they're way 784 00:33:25,033 --> 00:33:26,996 ahead of you and and I've had the long 785 00:33:27,196 --> 00:33:29,160 talks with the director as to to how the 786 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,420 director wants that scene in that 787 00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:37,480 particular location to play and our 788 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,530 North Fork we wanted an almost black and 789 00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:41,890 white feeling and one of the keys was to 790 00:33:42,090 --> 00:33:44,030 get nothing in color in the frame so our 791 00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:46,060 department in that film actually put 792 00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:47,780 great paint in the ketchup bottles and 793 00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:49,570 our diner scenes we covered all the 794 00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:51,665 surfaces of the counters with great 795 00:33:51,865 --> 00:33:53,567 contact paper we even sewed a black and 796 00:33:53,767 --> 00:33:55,703 white American flag that was blowing in 797 00:33:55,903 --> 00:33:57,716 the wind and I actually got a call back 798 00:33:57,916 --> 00:33:59,443 from the lab asking me how I managed to 799 00:33:59,643 --> 00:34:01,176 get the color out of the American flag 800 00:34:01,376 --> 00:34:02,710 when I told them it was a black and 801 00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:05,405 white American flag against the blue sky 802 00:34:05,605 --> 00:34:07,622 so a lot of cannot can be done in camera 803 00:34:07,822 --> 00:34:09,525 in front of the camera by coordinating 804 00:34:09,725 --> 00:34:11,047 things with art department the key 805 00:34:11,247 --> 00:34:12,618 meeting was the first meeting we had 806 00:34:12,818 --> 00:34:14,190 with the production designer I had read 807 00:34:14,390 --> 00:34:15,809 the script I met Ed Wayne and the 808 00:34:16,009 --> 00:34:17,204 designer we said in a room we just 809 00:34:17,404 --> 00:34:19,252 looked at photo books and I brought 810 00:34:19,452 --> 00:34:21,070 similar photo books then the production 811 00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:22,925 designer had brought in already and all 812 00:34:23,125 --> 00:34:25,427 the walls were pasted with his pictures 813 00:34:25,627 --> 00:34:27,593 and was very magazine and and I had my 814 00:34:27,793 --> 00:34:30,101 Ovitz and things like that and it was 815 00:34:30,301 --> 00:34:32,345 all about color and and how we see the 816 00:34:32,545 --> 00:34:34,590 South because the movie takes place in 817 00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:37,060 my south and from that my concept 818 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:39,410 evolved I mean it was a great starting 819 00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:41,289 point and it was always something I took 820 00:34:41,489 --> 00:34:43,324 a couple of pictures out of the books 821 00:34:43,524 --> 00:34:45,481 and always stuck them on my wall in the 822 00:34:45,681 --> 00:34:47,639 hotel that was my key thing that's the 823 00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:49,274 first thing you're afraid of as a 824 00:34:49,474 --> 00:34:50,709 cinematographer you can shoot good 825 00:34:50,909 --> 00:34:53,734 pictures individually but you know what 826 00:34:53,934 --> 00:34:56,822 makes you think that as a whole it's 827 00:34:57,022 --> 00:35:00,166 gonna fall together into this this thing 828 00:35:00,366 --> 00:35:03,510 that you meant to be a movie you spend 829 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:04,030 you come 830 00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:06,599 the look and then you spend three months 831 00:35:06,799 --> 00:35:09,194 doing that one look and then a year 832 00:35:09,394 --> 00:35:11,557 later you see how it worked when it's 833 00:35:11,757 --> 00:35:13,683 all cut together whereas in a commercial 834 00:35:13,883 --> 00:35:16,126 music video you he tries something for a 835 00:35:16,326 --> 00:35:18,338 day you see it two days later you know 836 00:35:18,538 --> 00:35:20,764 okay okay that was good let's try this 837 00:35:20,964 --> 00:35:22,990 and so you can you can grow really 838 00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:26,780 quickly I think commercials have always 839 00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:29,980 sort of been the area that can allow us 840 00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:32,825 to sort of experiment in commercials 841 00:35:33,025 --> 00:35:35,447 it's all about the cinematography that 842 00:35:35,647 --> 00:35:37,568 and the story is what grabs the people 843 00:35:37,768 --> 00:35:40,294 in the first five seconds you've got 30 844 00:35:40,494 --> 00:35:43,917 seconds to tell a story I learned a lot 845 00:35:44,117 --> 00:35:47,540 about shooting via commercials because 846 00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:49,659 there was so much technique in 847 00:35:49,859 --> 00:35:52,309 commercials and so much gear and so much 848 00:35:52,509 --> 00:35:54,534 stuff that you could draw on to learn 849 00:35:54,734 --> 00:35:56,561 things that I learned a lot it was a 850 00:35:56,761 --> 00:35:58,389 great place to begin a career in 851 00:35:58,589 --> 00:36:01,324 cinematography because we were studying 852 00:36:01,524 --> 00:36:04,260 for myself I studied and learned quite a 853 00:36:04,460 --> 00:36:05,320 bit of different technique and was 854 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,834 always trying to look for the new thing 855 00:36:08,034 --> 00:36:10,187 so it gave me a broad quiver of things 856 00:36:10,387 --> 00:36:12,398 to experiment with the things I've 857 00:36:12,598 --> 00:36:15,108 stumbled onto in terms of a look has 858 00:36:15,308 --> 00:36:17,439 come out of ignorance and I mean naivete 859 00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:20,149 and making like horrible mistakes and 860 00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:22,629 then going actually it looks kind of 861 00:36:22,829 --> 00:36:25,489 cool it's kind of interesting and then 862 00:36:25,689 --> 00:36:28,349 if you're smart or at least if you're 863 00:36:28,549 --> 00:36:29,080 paying attention 864 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,670 you let great accidents happen I love 865 00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:33,805 what Connie hole used to call happy 866 00:36:34,005 --> 00:36:35,727 accidents you know you're in a set and 867 00:36:35,927 --> 00:36:37,948 suddenly the light starts flashing 868 00:36:38,148 --> 00:36:40,170 through a window and even even if you 869 00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:41,470 don't use that natural light you 870 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:43,399 suddenly think well that's it I didn't 871 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,174 think of that so you maybe cut that 872 00:36:45,374 --> 00:36:46,950 light off and put a lamp to do exactly 873 00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:48,520 the same thing so you can have 874 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,840 consistency all cinematographers take 875 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,469 credit for wonderful happy accidents 876 00:36:53,669 --> 00:36:56,099 along the way and you know I'm certainly 877 00:36:56,299 --> 00:36:57,940 one of them where you know the the 878 00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:00,620 clouds come in and you know the light is 879 00:37:00,820 --> 00:37:03,040 amazing for a brief period of time or 880 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,059 suddenly the clouds are blowing over I'm 881 00:37:05,259 --> 00:37:07,194 just looking at this little dapple of 882 00:37:07,394 --> 00:37:09,822 light on my shoulder here and reminds me 883 00:37:10,022 --> 00:37:12,606 of Conrad Hall who was the master of the 884 00:37:12,806 --> 00:37:15,390 found accident and capitalized er or if 885 00:37:15,590 --> 00:37:16,690 you there's such a word 886 00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:19,310 and who capitalizes on those discoveries 887 00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:21,475 always awake for them Conrad who was 888 00:37:21,675 --> 00:37:23,457 great on this he was great on this I 889 00:37:23,657 --> 00:37:26,248 said you know he sometimes he really 890 00:37:26,448 --> 00:37:28,844 want his films to look ugly to capture 891 00:37:29,044 --> 00:37:31,087 something that we don't really that we 892 00:37:31,287 --> 00:37:33,288 normally shy away from him in making 893 00:37:33,488 --> 00:37:35,319 movies you know you ugliness can have a 894 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,249 certain beauty as well it's a strange 895 00:37:37,449 --> 00:37:39,399 sort of dichotomy going on there really 896 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:41,449 it's symbiotic and it really works hand 897 00:37:41,649 --> 00:37:43,974 in hand I mean there's certain kind of 898 00:37:44,174 --> 00:37:46,482 film it's definitely affected by the 899 00:37:46,682 --> 00:37:49,536 tone of the film the light the shadows 900 00:37:49,736 --> 00:37:52,263 the color how how the camera moves when 901 00:37:52,463 --> 00:37:54,811 it moves the moment that an actor turns 902 00:37:55,011 --> 00:37:57,390 its head and you just pan slightly to 903 00:37:57,590 --> 00:38:00,210 the left to just catch that gaze and to 904 00:38:00,410 --> 00:38:02,625 frame it in a certain way that I think 905 00:38:02,825 --> 00:38:05,212 evokes a certain kind of emotion there's 906 00:38:05,412 --> 00:38:08,531 a spirit in each cinematographers work 907 00:38:08,731 --> 00:38:11,555 that's not comparable to any others you 908 00:38:11,755 --> 00:38:14,102 see the techniques appear to be the same 909 00:38:14,302 --> 00:38:16,650 you see the same approaches in lighting 910 00:38:16,850 --> 00:38:19,605 you see what you can do with the 911 00:38:19,805 --> 00:38:22,822 materials at hand but there there's 912 00:38:23,022 --> 00:38:25,436 always an ineffable quality in the 913 00:38:25,636 --> 00:38:28,738 actual film when it comes out of 914 00:38:28,938 --> 00:38:31,169 processing or onto the avid that is 915 00:38:31,369 --> 00:38:33,400 almost indescribable there is a 916 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,050 definable style that's going through 917 00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:38,440 most of my movies I mean it's applied 918 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,370 differently I mean I do a lot of the 919 00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:42,970 same things but it's applied differently 920 00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:45,470 and I mean I don't mind saying that it's 921 00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:48,955 it's you know and I don't the trick is 922 00:38:49,155 --> 00:38:52,962 to integrate your visual decisions with 923 00:38:53,162 --> 00:38:55,866 the movie with the story and you can 924 00:38:56,066 --> 00:38:58,188 have both I mean you can have a good 925 00:38:58,388 --> 00:39:00,669 movie with good visuals I mean that's 926 00:39:00,869 --> 00:39:02,749 the best movie you know good content 927 00:39:02,949 --> 00:39:04,824 good visual structure you know I think 928 00:39:05,024 --> 00:39:06,952 it's very important that the style of 929 00:39:07,152 --> 00:39:09,596 the film be as transparent as possible 930 00:39:09,796 --> 00:39:11,683 now I'm saying that having done movies 931 00:39:11,883 --> 00:39:13,896 like the rocker we're getting in Ferrara 932 00:39:14,096 --> 00:39:16,008 which are almost all style but that's 933 00:39:16,208 --> 00:39:18,144 what really those movies were about 934 00:39:18,344 --> 00:39:20,007 because in those cases if you ever 935 00:39:20,207 --> 00:39:22,363 stopped long enough to figure out that 936 00:39:22,563 --> 00:39:24,201 an oil driller was on an asteroid and he 937 00:39:24,401 --> 00:39:25,825 was gonna blow it up with a nuclear bomb 938 00:39:26,025 --> 00:39:27,762 you probably would have left the theater 939 00:39:27,962 --> 00:39:29,700 so the idea was to keep the to keep it 940 00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:30,670 visual into 941 00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:32,915 to make it exciting for an audience and 942 00:39:33,115 --> 00:39:34,937 that and that was the goal of a picture 943 00:39:35,137 --> 00:39:37,403 like that and we knew it going in I'm 944 00:39:37,603 --> 00:39:39,431 not demeaning the work it was just of we 945 00:39:39,631 --> 00:39:41,825 were we were meeting a different set of 946 00:39:42,025 --> 00:39:43,772 needs for a picture like that then then 947 00:39:43,972 --> 00:39:45,676 I was on a picture like Seabiscuit where 948 00:39:45,876 --> 00:39:48,743 it was really very emotional and very 949 00:39:48,943 --> 00:39:52,656 moving and I didn't want my work to get 950 00:39:52,856 --> 00:39:56,570 in the way of the story the matrix was 951 00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:59,380 influenced almost entirely by the light 952 00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:02,615 yes believe it or not as interpreted by 953 00:40:02,815 --> 00:40:05,312 filmmakers in in the 60s so after they 954 00:40:05,512 --> 00:40:08,801 discovered this great emotion like blue 955 00:40:09,001 --> 00:40:12,290 in Paris in the conformist I felt that I 956 00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:14,920 need to discover him a deeper the 957 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,350 possibility of this vibration do 958 00:40:17,550 --> 00:40:20,705 discolor so many other movie that and 959 00:40:20,905 --> 00:40:24,152 after the confirm is sever one I tried 960 00:40:24,352 --> 00:40:27,031 to use this color to investigating the 961 00:40:27,231 --> 00:40:30,255 possibility of this color till they get 962 00:40:30,455 --> 00:40:32,752 in a Last Tango in Paris and I remember 963 00:40:32,952 --> 00:40:35,921 that was going to see Bernardo every 964 00:40:36,121 --> 00:40:39,470 weekend in Paris and I was so astonished 965 00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:42,760 about the chance the Paris a city in 966 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,145 winter of all the lights on was alike a 967 00:40:46,345 --> 00:40:49,127 city light in their Tavitian light when 968 00:40:49,327 --> 00:40:51,833 he's on during the daytime as a kind of 969 00:40:52,033 --> 00:40:54,401 conflict between the artificial energy 970 00:40:54,601 --> 00:40:56,970 international energy it was give me the 971 00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:58,960 feeling totally different almost 972 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,640 opposite complimentary of the blue of 973 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,315 the rest of the conformist in orange 974 00:41:04,515 --> 00:41:07,167 like the warm feeling the kind of womb 975 00:41:07,367 --> 00:41:09,688 of the mother or the city of Paris there 976 00:41:09,888 --> 00:41:12,179 was been bracing ourselves when I was 977 00:41:12,379 --> 00:41:14,714 thinking about the Godfather both one 978 00:41:14,914 --> 00:41:16,807 and here at the time I it was about 20 979 00:41:17,007 --> 00:41:18,543 minutes before we started the movie that 980 00:41:18,743 --> 00:41:21,616 I finally decided what it should look 981 00:41:21,816 --> 00:41:24,490 like and the feeling of how a film 982 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:26,885 should look really comes out of you and 983 00:41:27,085 --> 00:41:29,192 I can't tell you why I decided that I 984 00:41:29,392 --> 00:41:32,761 said was it should be kind of dirty and 985 00:41:32,961 --> 00:41:35,535 streaked and should be brassy yellow and 986 00:41:35,735 --> 00:41:38,310 if somebody said why did you decide that 987 00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:40,390 I was how to say I have no idea 988 00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:43,200 it felt like it should be that way I 989 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,220 almost wonder if 990 00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:46,840 the Godfather would look the way it does 991 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,214 if somebody had sat on the set with a 992 00:41:49,414 --> 00:41:51,467 video monitor and looked at what was 993 00:41:51,667 --> 00:41:53,328 going to come out on the screen they 994 00:41:53,528 --> 00:41:55,354 would everybody would have chickened out 995 00:41:55,554 --> 00:41:56,907 and that's a problem I think there were 996 00:41:57,107 --> 00:41:58,463 people who felt that way and there are 997 00:41:58,663 --> 00:42:00,471 other people that felt at god almighty I 998 00:42:00,671 --> 00:42:03,845 don't want to hire him look what will 999 00:42:04,045 --> 00:42:07,220 happen so yes yeah I got for Gangs of 1000 00:42:07,420 --> 00:42:07,680 New York 1001 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,239 I got influenced a little by Reverend I 1002 00:42:10,439 --> 00:42:12,554 must say because Marty gave me a book 1003 00:42:12,754 --> 00:42:15,242 about Raymond which is but the best book 1004 00:42:15,442 --> 00:42:18,130 that came out about Rembrandt and his 1005 00:42:18,330 --> 00:42:20,685 way of shadows and darkness and people 1006 00:42:20,885 --> 00:42:23,177 being in the shade and people being in 1007 00:42:23,377 --> 00:42:27,033 the bright light also the simplicity of 1008 00:42:27,233 --> 00:42:30,161 of the lighting was influential on the 1009 00:42:30,361 --> 00:42:32,835 way I tried to light Gangs of New York 1010 00:42:33,035 --> 00:42:35,252 well st. Elmo's fire because that was a 1011 00:42:35,452 --> 00:42:37,765 that was the ensemble picture you had 1012 00:42:37,965 --> 00:42:40,762 five or six kids and there was a lot of 1013 00:42:40,962 --> 00:42:44,315 rapid-fire dialogue and I thought it 1014 00:42:44,515 --> 00:42:47,307 would be more interesting to always have 1015 00:42:47,507 --> 00:42:50,183 it in the group so be shot in scope so 1016 00:42:50,383 --> 00:42:52,821 you could fit five people across the 1017 00:42:53,021 --> 00:42:55,115 frame everybody would be you know like a 1018 00:42:55,315 --> 00:42:57,327 waist figure so you'd see them very well 1019 00:42:57,527 --> 00:42:59,558 and they all the more good actors it was 1020 00:42:59,758 --> 00:43:01,948 good dialogue and they can just spit 1021 00:43:02,148 --> 00:43:05,243 that stuff out like crazy I think it's 1022 00:43:05,443 --> 00:43:08,091 more interesting to see actors take 1023 00:43:08,291 --> 00:43:10,800 their paces off of each other than have 1024 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,720 it forced by the cutting deliverance 1025 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,384 they decided that it has to have a very 1026 00:43:17,584 --> 00:43:21,192 real look if it will actually more real 1027 00:43:21,392 --> 00:43:25,245 than reality is that's why we decided to 1028 00:43:25,445 --> 00:43:29,299 shoot the movie sharp but we decided to 1029 00:43:29,499 --> 00:43:32,730 do this saturation of images 1030 00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:35,390 I'd say the New York look probably was I 1031 00:43:35,590 --> 00:43:36,780 think it's one of the things that I 1032 00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:39,385 started with the French Connection which 1033 00:43:39,585 --> 00:43:42,187 was more of a realistic quality or of a 1034 00:43:42,387 --> 00:43:45,583 little low-key grainy dingy quality to 1035 00:43:45,783 --> 00:43:48,376 it not documentary totally but verging 1036 00:43:48,576 --> 00:43:51,170 on the on the edge of it there are 1037 00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:53,190 certain definite 1038 00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:55,330 appearances that when you shoot in New 1039 00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:57,375 York you do get a different kind of a 1040 00:43:57,575 --> 00:43:59,177 look all told we worked in the streets 1041 00:43:59,377 --> 00:44:01,068 we worked at night and we just had him 1042 00:44:01,268 --> 00:44:02,760 get those pictures and we had very 1043 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,689 little lighting with which to do it but 1044 00:44:04,889 --> 00:44:07,889 at that time what it was was single 1045 00:44:08,089 --> 00:44:10,269 source no feel a soft light kind of a 1046 00:44:10,469 --> 00:44:12,344 look that came from still photography 1047 00:44:12,544 --> 00:44:14,612 basically the buildings are very dense 1048 00:44:14,812 --> 00:44:16,480 population densities very big and you've 1049 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,524 got high buildings so you've got a lot 1050 00:44:18,724 --> 00:44:20,657 of shadow and contrasting light that's I 1051 00:44:20,857 --> 00:44:23,763 think another distinction about New York 1052 00:44:23,963 --> 00:44:26,216 is people walk in and out of very hot 1053 00:44:26,416 --> 00:44:28,973 bright source of light and then into 1054 00:44:29,173 --> 00:44:30,861 very deep shadows and there's one thing 1055 00:44:31,061 --> 00:44:32,720 I've always noticed I find interesting 1056 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,475 is multiple reflections in New York 1057 00:44:34,675 --> 00:44:36,927 because as the Sun kicks off of a 1058 00:44:37,127 --> 00:44:39,503 variety of glass window buildings you 1059 00:44:39,703 --> 00:44:41,691 can have this very artificial light you 1060 00:44:41,891 --> 00:44:43,880 don't have to do much to make it look 1061 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,159 good 1062 00:44:44,359 --> 00:44:46,629 you know you don't have to build 1063 00:44:46,829 --> 00:44:48,899 anything visually to make New York 1064 00:44:49,099 --> 00:44:51,144 interesting again you know you choose to 1065 00:44:51,344 --> 00:44:53,017 shoot this you choose to shoot that you 1066 00:44:53,217 --> 00:44:55,408 put them together and you've got a good 1067 00:44:55,608 --> 00:44:58,118 New York when we talk about style we 1068 00:44:58,318 --> 00:45:01,169 also talk about personal improvising 1069 00:45:01,369 --> 00:45:04,020 with to fit the vision that we're 1070 00:45:04,220 --> 00:45:06,444 thinking of within the equipment and the 1071 00:45:06,644 --> 00:45:10,057 time we've got a sometime style comes 1072 00:45:10,257 --> 00:45:13,108 out of pure necessity or desperation 1073 00:45:13,308 --> 00:45:15,774 case in point in the 60s and 70s with 1074 00:45:15,974 --> 00:45:17,887 the new lightweight cameras you had 1075 00:45:18,087 --> 00:45:19,813 directors who wanted to take those 1076 00:45:20,013 --> 00:45:21,740 cameras on the road stick them in cars 1077 00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:24,869 put them in bathrooms and so as 1078 00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:26,859 technology evolves and we have equipment 1079 00:45:27,059 --> 00:45:29,084 that's light or easier to shoot with 1080 00:45:29,284 --> 00:45:31,307 faster you're going to see experimental 1081 00:45:31,507 --> 00:45:33,093 shooting with it of people who want to 1082 00:45:33,293 --> 00:45:35,891 take it to the edge and see what it's 1083 00:45:36,091 --> 00:45:38,690 capable of there is a story behind Easy 1084 00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:39,210 Rider 1085 00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:42,100 there's about three four five years 1086 00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:45,375 until we got to that point you know we 1087 00:45:45,575 --> 00:45:48,647 are very fluid in making low-budget 1088 00:45:48,847 --> 00:45:51,858 films and we knew how to do it we knew 1089 00:45:52,058 --> 00:45:54,409 how to do it do a movie just enough 1090 00:45:54,609 --> 00:45:58,039 equipment putting into a station wagon 1091 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,009 and that was it we didn't need trucks we 1092 00:46:01,209 --> 00:46:03,859 didn't need generators we couldn't even 1093 00:46:04,059 --> 00:46:06,499 think of it we were always dreaming 1094 00:46:06,699 --> 00:46:09,919 but you know all these great equipment 1095 00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:13,609 we could have and but you know we made 1096 00:46:13,809 --> 00:46:17,344 this work for us we made the stories you 1097 00:46:17,544 --> 00:46:20,351 know of fit what we can do in the same 1098 00:46:20,551 --> 00:46:22,920 way the equipment fit the stories also 1099 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,120 let's take it back to the cinema build 1100 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,525 the equipment that went into this truck 1101 00:46:27,725 --> 00:46:30,347 it was a Ford Econoline truck very very 1102 00:46:30,547 --> 00:46:33,170 small we didn't have Mitchell cameras we 1103 00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:35,780 had blimp there flexes which were 1104 00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:38,819 smaller we use color Tran lamps which 1105 00:46:39,019 --> 00:46:42,144 was all quartz lights no phenols on him 1106 00:46:42,344 --> 00:46:44,767 so it was a hard light that you couldn't 1107 00:46:44,967 --> 00:46:47,698 cut with flags cuz it didn't have the 1108 00:46:47,898 --> 00:46:50,739 lens in front so you bounced the lights 1109 00:46:50,939 --> 00:46:53,780 instead so you know a style evolved from 1110 00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:57,020 having very little equipment and by 1111 00:46:57,220 --> 00:46:59,585 necessity basically if you can think of 1112 00:46:59,785 --> 00:47:03,102 a quick way of doing it the cheap way 1113 00:47:03,302 --> 00:47:06,031 that still works it saves a lot of money 1114 00:47:06,231 --> 00:47:08,675 in time and you're not scared of doing 1115 00:47:08,875 --> 00:47:11,982 the Black Stallion is really very much 1116 00:47:12,182 --> 00:47:14,971 really came out of the style of really 1117 00:47:15,171 --> 00:47:17,560 educational documentary films at both 1118 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,650 Carroll Ballard and I really came out of 1119 00:47:19,850 --> 00:47:22,735 because we both had worked together on 1120 00:47:22,935 --> 00:47:25,820 some educational films and you know what 1121 00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:28,110 Carroll really does you know his 1122 00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:31,165 directing style is to set up a scene as 1123 00:47:31,365 --> 00:47:33,652 if it's really happening and then you 1124 00:47:33,852 --> 00:47:35,976 photograph it as if you were making a 1125 00:47:36,176 --> 00:47:38,248 documentary of that scene chasing the 1126 00:47:38,448 --> 00:47:42,053 situations in your documentary allows 1127 00:47:42,253 --> 00:47:44,946 you to to develop a style in camera as a 1128 00:47:45,146 --> 00:47:47,668 documentary filmmaker you're hyper aware 1129 00:47:47,868 --> 00:47:50,018 of the location where you are because 1130 00:47:50,218 --> 00:47:52,409 that's how you have to have to work with 1131 00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:55,149 the documentaries I did was so very kind 1132 00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:57,539 of Verret a you know we would go you 1133 00:47:57,739 --> 00:47:59,919 know some you know film a tribe in 1134 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,174 Africa or film a war zone and you kind 1135 00:48:02,374 --> 00:48:04,157 of make up the movie that make up the 1136 00:48:04,357 --> 00:48:06,108 film and what you were trying to say as 1137 00:48:06,308 --> 00:48:08,374 it almost as a journalist exploring the 1138 00:48:08,574 --> 00:48:10,640 subject but often documentaries are 1139 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,330 emulated by fiction films 1140 00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:16,910 and and now you find documentaries doing 1141 00:48:17,110 --> 00:48:20,080 recreations and then creating their own 1142 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,250 fictional sequences within a documentary 1143 00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:25,740 so I think both schools inform each 1144 00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:27,840 other if you worked on a lot of 1145 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,835 documentaries you already know how 1146 00:48:30,035 --> 00:48:31,447 people walk you know how they talk you 1147 00:48:31,647 --> 00:48:33,243 know that when they're making dinner 1148 00:48:33,443 --> 00:48:35,206 they're not standing there looking at 1149 00:48:35,406 --> 00:48:37,118 each other ones over here ones over here 1150 00:48:37,318 --> 00:48:39,334 they're of speaking over their shoulder 1151 00:48:39,534 --> 00:48:41,837 sometimes their silence and it's a great 1152 00:48:42,037 --> 00:48:44,438 training ground for shooting narratives 1153 00:48:44,638 --> 00:48:46,804 and seeing what is available light you 1154 00:48:47,004 --> 00:48:49,277 know where does the light come from what 1155 00:48:49,477 --> 00:48:51,638 makes a Japanese restaurant beautiful 1156 00:48:51,838 --> 00:48:54,364 and a Chinese restaurant not quite so 1157 00:48:54,564 --> 00:48:57,477 pretty if the lighting Hollywood I think 1158 00:48:57,677 --> 00:49:00,193 I found out as always that is cool of 1159 00:49:00,393 --> 00:49:03,576 keeping in touch with an audience and 1160 00:49:03,776 --> 00:49:06,813 this has happened not only and this is 1161 00:49:07,013 --> 00:49:10,471 carried itself also into the language of 1162 00:49:10,671 --> 00:49:13,785 filmmaking the shots are made in a way 1163 00:49:13,985 --> 00:49:16,717 that they don't make the movies no you 1164 00:49:16,917 --> 00:49:19,450 know from car to car as opposed to 1165 00:49:19,650 --> 00:49:22,140 having it slower kind of pace generally 1166 00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:24,830 use of European pictures I shot uprising 1167 00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:27,190 which was a miniseries for NBC 1168 00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:31,970 three years ago three or four years ago 1169 00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:35,530 and when it was shown here people were 1170 00:49:35,730 --> 00:49:39,090 thinking that it was very European in 1171 00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:42,240 the my work you know cold colors 1172 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,790 contrast the contrast I'm not sure such 1173 00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:47,430 2d saturated tones and all that and then 1174 00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:51,000 I I screen it for my colleagues at the 1175 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,735 AFC in Paris and they for them it was so 1176 00:49:54,935 --> 00:49:57,952 Hollywood thinking okay I mean I'm in 1177 00:49:58,152 --> 00:50:02,216 the middle of the ocean with really one 1178 00:50:02,416 --> 00:50:05,698 foot in and after X years Here I am you 1179 00:50:05,898 --> 00:50:08,384 know not completely American and not 1180 00:50:08,584 --> 00:50:10,477 anymore completely European I think 1181 00:50:10,677 --> 00:50:12,078 Americans are getting very brave with 1182 00:50:12,278 --> 00:50:14,319 their style I think the thing about 1183 00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:16,474 European films is that you don't have 1184 00:50:16,674 --> 00:50:18,857 Studios leaning down so heavily on you 1185 00:50:19,057 --> 00:50:20,768 and execs worrying about their job and 1186 00:50:20,968 --> 00:50:23,269 worrying about which way it should be 1187 00:50:23,469 --> 00:50:25,770 made so the filmmakers they trust the 1188 00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:26,359 film 1189 00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:28,169 to make a good job I never did anything 1190 00:50:28,369 --> 00:50:30,619 that to be doing I just didn't because I 1191 00:50:30,819 --> 00:50:33,209 liked it and it kind of caused a riot a 1192 00:50:33,409 --> 00:50:35,869 couple of times in certain studios and 1193 00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:38,529 they were very upset but I didn't I said 1194 00:50:38,729 --> 00:50:39,770 wow this is it 1195 00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:43,890 and continued well that helped other 1196 00:50:44,090 --> 00:50:46,879 people do things possibly in it but a 1197 00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:50,024 long time took him a long time before 1198 00:50:50,224 --> 00:50:52,587 they would shoot with one light or no 1199 00:50:52,787 --> 00:50:55,353 light or against the window or this or 1200 00:50:55,553 --> 00:50:57,711 that but it's it's something that I 1201 00:50:57,911 --> 00:51:00,060 enjoy doing I never think about it I 1202 00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:02,584 just think about applying it but I never 1203 00:51:02,784 --> 00:51:07,326 think about I can't do this or I can't I 1204 00:51:07,526 --> 00:51:11,603 don't we can put the light over here we 1205 00:51:11,803 --> 00:51:15,316 can put here we can put here we can put 1206 00:51:15,516 --> 00:51:19,029 here we can put just in front or in the 1207 00:51:19,229 --> 00:51:23,094 back change completely in the way 1208 00:51:23,294 --> 00:51:27,137 they've any cinematographer is using 1209 00:51:27,337 --> 00:51:30,913 these kind of lights can tell really a 1210 00:51:31,113 --> 00:51:34,690 story can rightly light you walk on a 1211 00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:34,970 set 1212 00:51:35,170 --> 00:51:37,860 it's absolutely black absolutely black 1213 00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:40,280 and you strike your first light for what 1214 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,335 you're gonna do and that becomes your 1215 00:51:43,535 --> 00:51:46,390 first brushstroke and then you add other 1216 00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:47,754 brushstrokes all the way through at 1217 00:51:47,954 --> 00:51:49,127 different lights and so for like that 1218 00:51:49,327 --> 00:51:50,848 you come out with your complete picture 1219 00:51:51,048 --> 00:51:52,569 and then you look at it and say okay 1220 00:51:52,769 --> 00:51:53,000 let's do it 1221 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,110 my welcome to a dark stage you say I 1222 00:51:55,310 --> 00:51:57,020 turn on one light and I've usually this 1223 00:51:57,220 --> 00:51:58,995 light hopefully it's been there before I 1224 00:51:59,195 --> 00:52:00,597 put it there earlier because I hopefully 1225 00:52:00,797 --> 00:52:03,543 know where the lights coming from in the 1226 00:52:03,743 --> 00:52:06,490 scene but and then I decide what what 1227 00:52:06,690 --> 00:52:08,119 does that look like and that's 1228 00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:09,749 theoretically the light that's coming in 1229 00:52:09,949 --> 00:52:11,434 the window or the light that's coming 1230 00:52:11,634 --> 00:52:12,919 from the main lamp in the room or 1231 00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:14,909 something and I'll start with that and 1232 00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:17,089 the other lights also should be in place 1233 00:52:17,289 --> 00:52:18,959 then I'll turn them on I like I don't 1234 00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:20,914 turn on all the lights at once you see I 1235 00:52:21,114 --> 00:52:22,822 turn them on one at a time and then I 1236 00:52:23,022 --> 00:52:24,730 start turning them off again usually 1237 00:52:24,930 --> 00:52:26,970 when I show up on a set and 1238 00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:30,880 get ready to shoot I've already lit the 1239 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,989 set in my head I mean my favorite thing 1240 00:52:34,189 --> 00:52:37,099 and and using light for instance I like 1241 00:52:37,299 --> 00:52:39,484 relativity I like light too dark 1242 00:52:39,684 --> 00:52:41,322 you know big to small and a favorite 1243 00:52:41,522 --> 00:52:42,960 kind of thing is you have somebody 1244 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,985 standing by a window talking to somebody 1245 00:52:46,185 --> 00:52:48,247 who's standing in the corner and someone 1246 00:52:48,447 --> 00:52:50,503 standing in the corner is in the dark 1247 00:52:50,703 --> 00:52:52,651 you know so you're cutting from the sky 1248 00:52:52,851 --> 00:52:54,325 the window talking to this girl was 1249 00:52:54,525 --> 00:52:55,800 standing in the corner and the dark 1250 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,574 there are three things that lighting has 1251 00:52:59,774 --> 00:53:02,777 to do it has to provide for sufficient 1252 00:53:02,977 --> 00:53:05,403 illumination to record the image on film 1253 00:53:05,603 --> 00:53:07,961 it has to make up for the difference in 1254 00:53:08,161 --> 00:53:10,620 contrast between our eye and the film 1255 00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:13,015 and it has to enhance the illusion of 1256 00:53:13,215 --> 00:53:15,457 third dimension and a two-dimensional 1257 00:53:15,657 --> 00:53:17,900 medium okay well that's what hazarded 1258 00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:20,159 what it can do it can affect you 1259 00:53:20,359 --> 00:53:22,959 emotionally it can help tell the story 1260 00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:25,274 you have to know what story you're 1261 00:53:25,474 --> 00:53:27,571 telling before you even start to think 1262 00:53:27,771 --> 00:53:29,869 about how you light it and you have to 1263 00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:31,230 think about whether you want the 1264 00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:33,220 audience to see everything clearly or 1265 00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:34,815 whether you want to hold it back of it 1266 00:53:35,015 --> 00:53:36,632 from the audience whether you want to 1267 00:53:36,832 --> 00:53:38,725 throw the actors into a little bit of 1268 00:53:38,925 --> 00:53:41,797 shadow not adding but taking away is 1269 00:53:41,997 --> 00:53:44,638 better always know but I don't know it's 1270 00:53:44,838 --> 00:53:47,123 like somebody something's not working 1271 00:53:47,323 --> 00:53:49,071 so another sandbag in the boat because 1272 00:53:49,271 --> 00:53:50,660 it's listing you know and they keep 1273 00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:52,369 throwing sanding apparently the whole 1274 00:53:52,569 --> 00:53:54,109 boat sinks you know you know don't put 1275 00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:56,074 any more you take away usually when 1276 00:53:56,274 --> 00:53:57,840 something doesn't work it's because 1277 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,775 you're doing too much or you've made the 1278 00:54:00,975 --> 00:54:03,457 wrong choice I remember when I first 1279 00:54:03,657 --> 00:54:05,803 first started as a cinematographer the 1280 00:54:06,003 --> 00:54:08,356 first thing I was into us is there 1281 00:54:08,556 --> 00:54:11,658 enough light so I light and he said 1282 00:54:11,858 --> 00:54:16,054 bodoni it's flat and suddenly it opened 1283 00:54:16,254 --> 00:54:20,262 my mind ah light can be flat or not flat 1284 00:54:20,462 --> 00:54:24,586 and clearly flat is not good a film is 1285 00:54:24,786 --> 00:54:27,888 like like in my tennis days my coach 1286 00:54:28,088 --> 00:54:30,123 would you know where people say keep 1287 00:54:30,323 --> 00:54:31,931 your eye on the ball well that's pretty 1288 00:54:32,131 --> 00:54:34,230 easy to say keep your eye on the ball 1289 00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:36,159 but I had one coach that said keep your 1290 00:54:36,359 --> 00:54:38,234 eye on a certain part of the ball he put 1291 00:54:38,434 --> 00:54:40,310 a face on the ball two eyes a nose and a 1292 00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:41,030 mouth 1293 00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:43,455 and when you in two ears and if you hit 1294 00:54:43,655 --> 00:54:45,680 right on the nose it just goes flat 1295 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,430 if you hit underneath anyway so it's not 1296 00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:49,505 a question to keep your eye on the ball 1297 00:54:49,705 --> 00:54:51,217 it's it's question was the part of the 1298 00:54:51,417 --> 00:54:52,823 ball that's same thing with the screen 1299 00:54:53,023 --> 00:54:54,766 when you look at the screen you have 1300 00:54:54,966 --> 00:54:56,278 your imagery it's not just to look at 1301 00:54:56,478 --> 00:54:57,934 the screen you've got to make the 1302 00:54:58,134 --> 00:54:59,857 audience look at some part of that 1303 00:55:00,057 --> 00:55:02,333 screen that's important where the 1304 00:55:02,533 --> 00:55:04,831 dialogue is going on and so it's 1305 00:55:05,031 --> 00:55:07,535 precision in a sense it's precision 1306 00:55:07,735 --> 00:55:10,597 lighting rule of thumb if I'm lighting 1307 00:55:10,797 --> 00:55:14,243 for several actresses in in a large 1308 00:55:14,443 --> 00:55:17,416 spaces to go with to 12 by 12 layers of 1309 00:55:17,616 --> 00:55:20,038 full or half grid and then maybe a four 1310 00:55:20,238 --> 00:55:23,524 by four layer of to sixteen and in front 1311 00:55:23,724 --> 00:55:27,247 of a large light and start there and 1312 00:55:27,447 --> 00:55:30,770 then but what's very important is 1313 00:55:30,970 --> 00:55:32,890 exactly the direction that that light is 1314 00:55:33,090 --> 00:55:35,470 coming from even though it may be a 1315 00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:37,794 large soft source the difference of a 1316 00:55:37,994 --> 00:55:39,677 foot or two either closer to the camera 1317 00:55:39,877 --> 00:55:41,353 away from the camera could make all the 1318 00:55:41,553 --> 00:55:42,971 difference in the world and that's the 1319 00:55:43,171 --> 00:55:44,440 thing you have to you have to really 1320 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,710 look at the scene how it's being 1321 00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:47,895 rehearsed and go wow this is great for 1322 00:55:48,095 --> 00:55:50,382 this actress when she's looking this way 1323 00:55:50,582 --> 00:55:52,869 but when we come around or she turns 1324 00:55:53,069 --> 00:55:54,680 this way we run into trouble I 1325 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,375 personally don't like the soft lighting 1326 00:55:57,575 --> 00:56:00,522 too much because many many times it gets 1327 00:56:00,722 --> 00:56:03,611 boring actually for me it's it I mean I 1328 00:56:03,811 --> 00:56:06,385 study a lot of paintings from the Dutch 1329 00:56:06,585 --> 00:56:08,747 painters and all that they hardly ever 1330 00:56:08,947 --> 00:56:10,888 used actually soft light actually they 1331 00:56:11,088 --> 00:56:13,030 used a lot of the election light which I 1332 00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:15,745 love to use backlight was used in 1333 00:56:15,945 --> 00:56:18,460 painting for centuries but on film it 1334 00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:19,880 had been in the silent days the 1335 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,755 characteristic of just using front front 1336 00:56:22,955 --> 00:56:25,437 light soft light all all direct front 1337 00:56:25,637 --> 00:56:29,223 light and Mary Pickford was photographed 1338 00:56:29,423 --> 00:56:32,271 by I think Billie Bitzer at a at a lunch 1339 00:56:32,471 --> 00:56:35,325 break in back light with her curls of 1340 00:56:35,525 --> 00:56:38,262 flame and that came up with dailies and 1341 00:56:38,462 --> 00:56:40,871 it changed history I think that a single 1342 00:56:41,071 --> 00:56:43,960 gesture coming from a single side is 1343 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,320 powerful if you put a light on the other 1344 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,425 side it weakens it now the force of that 1345 00:56:50,625 --> 00:56:53,530 light is not as strong so this is a what 1346 00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:54,740 we call a flag 1347 00:56:54,940 --> 00:56:57,269 and if we were on a set we would do 1348 00:56:57,469 --> 00:56:59,974 something like try to bring in an a 1349 00:57:00,174 --> 00:57:02,680 black flag that would take away some of 1350 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,869 the light so we're not completely 1351 00:57:05,069 --> 00:57:06,859 surrounded by light from several 1352 00:57:07,059 --> 00:57:09,929 directions we try to bring it from one 1353 00:57:10,129 --> 00:57:14,569 direction and that gives us a sense of 1354 00:57:14,769 --> 00:57:18,404 richness and and texture and a mood as 1355 00:57:18,604 --> 00:57:22,356 opposed to what that looks like I think 1356 00:57:22,556 --> 00:57:26,318 as a look I think good cinematographers 1357 00:57:26,518 --> 00:57:30,280 don't really use light actually they use 1358 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,869 shadows for the light is creating 1359 00:57:33,069 --> 00:57:35,234 shadows and then I would like to insist 1360 00:57:35,434 --> 00:57:37,347 on that you know the shadows are more 1361 00:57:37,547 --> 00:57:39,258 important than the lightest we're always 1362 00:57:39,458 --> 00:57:41,579 working against that is there enough and 1363 00:57:41,779 --> 00:57:43,624 of course with time once we master as a 1364 00:57:43,824 --> 00:57:45,670 quantity then we start to deal with the 1365 00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:48,680 quality control the light I having 1366 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,864 figured out when you put a light up how 1367 00:57:51,064 --> 00:57:53,787 are you gonna control it whether it be 1368 00:57:53,987 --> 00:57:56,710 grab Nets dimmers diffusion on the light 1369 00:57:56,910 --> 00:57:59,004 itself in the hunt for sometimes a 1370 00:57:59,204 --> 00:58:01,952 specific kind of light that just does 1371 00:58:02,152 --> 00:58:04,370 that particular thing you find you know 1372 00:58:04,570 --> 00:58:06,789 technology to be on your site because 1373 00:58:06,989 --> 00:58:07,940 either other people have already 1374 00:58:08,140 --> 00:58:10,410 ventured out in that and have created a 1375 00:58:10,610 --> 00:58:12,710 tool or you go out on yourself and you 1376 00:58:12,910 --> 00:58:15,010 start creating stuff there's a keynote 1377 00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:16,430 flow here is a 4-foot tube and 1378 00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:18,690 everything and it's light it's small you 1379 00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:20,779 can it's fast it's like it's and it's a 1380 00:58:20,979 --> 00:58:22,754 beautiful quality light you can you 1381 00:58:22,954 --> 00:58:24,896 don't have to diffuse it something that 1382 00:58:25,096 --> 00:58:27,183 changed cinematography was the Kiel flow 1383 00:58:27,383 --> 00:58:30,096 I mean that to me is all of a sudden 1384 00:58:30,296 --> 00:58:32,678 practical locations were something that 1385 00:58:32,878 --> 00:58:35,633 were embraced even more so and it's and 1386 00:58:35,833 --> 00:58:38,086 ceilings went back on two sets and and 1387 00:58:38,286 --> 00:58:40,557 no and people weren't flying him anymore 1388 00:58:40,757 --> 00:58:42,618 and you saw less you know unnatural back 1389 00:58:42,818 --> 00:58:44,578 lights and lighting changed I think it 1390 00:58:44,778 --> 00:58:46,519 people were able to put a light that 1391 00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:48,749 didn't have to travel to create softness 1392 00:58:48,949 --> 00:58:50,689 three feet away from a person and all of 1393 00:58:50,889 --> 00:58:52,319 a sudden you had this quality of light 1394 00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:54,544 that look very natural well of course 1395 00:58:54,744 --> 00:58:56,902 the Musco light and the the nine later 1396 00:58:57,102 --> 00:58:59,306 race that are out today have changed 1397 00:58:59,506 --> 00:59:02,177 things for us because now we can light 1398 00:59:02,377 --> 00:59:05,068 four or five six seven eight blocks 1399 00:59:05,268 --> 00:59:08,238 with just several instruments this is a 1400 00:59:08,438 --> 00:59:11,218 blonde it should be yellow yeah Nero the 1401 00:59:11,418 --> 00:59:13,608 original DNA Ural blown is yellow that's 1402 00:59:13,808 --> 00:59:15,869 why it's called long like the red is red 1403 00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:18,334 that's why it's called red this one's 1404 00:59:18,534 --> 00:59:22,536 another plan so it's blue it's an open 1405 00:59:22,736 --> 00:59:25,747 face with a quartz 2k bulb and bound or 1406 00:59:25,947 --> 00:59:29,558 holding but all van doors on the side 1407 00:59:29,758 --> 00:59:33,428 but and the great thing it's not here 1408 00:59:33,628 --> 00:59:37,583 the gaffers they just hate it because 1409 00:59:37,783 --> 00:59:41,739 for them it does nothing well and us we 1410 00:59:41,939 --> 00:59:43,819 love it because it does everything 1411 00:59:44,019 --> 00:59:46,244 not so well maybe but everything nothing 1412 00:59:46,444 --> 00:59:48,206 does everything I guess my favorite form 1413 00:59:48,406 --> 00:59:50,057 of lighting is you know put a hundred 1414 00:59:50,257 --> 00:59:51,658 watt bulb in a lamp and turn it on 1415 00:59:51,858 --> 00:59:54,078 you know if it's close enough to the 1416 00:59:54,278 --> 00:59:56,293 actor great you know I think this it's 1417 00:59:56,493 --> 00:59:59,051 really terrific you know I like that say 1418 00:59:59,251 --> 01:00:01,835 it turn off the key light a second see I 1419 01:00:02,035 --> 01:00:05,812 like that you know I mean this is good 1420 01:00:06,012 --> 01:00:09,810 for something like that but this is 1421 01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:13,809 really the best no light at all the the 1422 01:00:14,009 --> 01:00:16,239 back edge and a little bit of fill 1423 01:00:16,439 --> 01:00:19,119 worked perfectly for that film not only 1424 01:00:19,319 --> 01:00:21,789 did it give the beautiful edge that you 1425 01:00:21,989 --> 01:00:24,459 imagined from old black-and-white stills 1426 01:00:24,659 --> 01:00:26,389 dude that were appeared in jazz 1427 01:00:26,589 --> 01:00:29,594 magazines like Down Beat jazz magazine a 1428 01:00:29,794 --> 01:00:32,799 bebop magazine wonderful old stills with 1429 01:00:32,999 --> 01:00:34,884 beautiful edge light because the 1430 01:00:35,084 --> 01:00:36,781 photographers had to go had to find 1431 01:00:36,981 --> 01:00:38,885 wherever there was like to get their 1432 01:00:39,085 --> 01:00:42,952 imagery so they would use that edge 1433 01:00:43,152 --> 01:00:46,305 light and so that became my sort of 1434 01:00:46,505 --> 01:00:49,182 template for all the all of bird a lot 1435 01:00:49,382 --> 01:00:52,059 of films when you get started they seem 1436 01:00:52,259 --> 01:00:53,149 to have a life of their own and 1437 01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:55,469 sometimes your plans don't quite work 1438 01:00:55,669 --> 01:00:57,694 out but at least you start with a an 1439 01:00:57,894 --> 01:00:59,586 idea in mind and try to pursue it 1440 01:00:59,786 --> 01:01:01,807 through the film we were looking for 1441 01:01:02,007 --> 01:01:03,803 this big finale on Chicago and you know 1442 01:01:04,003 --> 01:01:05,641 we sort of came up you know in our sort 1443 01:01:05,841 --> 01:01:07,940 of discussions of this sort of idea of 1444 01:01:08,140 --> 01:01:10,239 this big like board you know this that 1445 01:01:10,439 --> 01:01:11,920 filled the stage and 1446 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,000 would come on and sort of explode 1447 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,315 explosion of line and then they would 1448 01:01:16,515 --> 01:01:18,630 sort of machine-gun out their you know 1449 01:01:18,830 --> 01:01:19,900 their names 1450 01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:21,310 I guess you light with your best 1451 01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:23,705 instincts you build in some flexibility 1452 01:01:23,905 --> 01:01:26,147 into the rigging so that if you want to 1453 01:01:26,347 --> 01:01:29,093 make changes it's it's they're available 1454 01:01:29,293 --> 01:01:31,706 to you there was with the bad you know 1455 01:01:31,906 --> 01:01:34,438 only about five hundred light bulbs in 1456 01:01:34,638 --> 01:01:37,994 the board and three guys screwing them 1457 01:01:38,194 --> 01:01:41,032 in and and one thing we unfortunately 1458 01:01:41,232 --> 01:01:44,291 overlooked is that it took three days 1459 01:01:44,491 --> 01:01:46,895 for these three guys to screw in ten 1460 01:01:47,095 --> 01:01:49,637 thousand light bulbs a cinematographer 1461 01:01:49,837 --> 01:01:52,073 not only has to be a scientist and an 1462 01:01:52,273 --> 01:01:55,496 artist but they they have to be a 1463 01:01:55,696 --> 01:01:58,918 manager and a politician and a people 1464 01:01:59,118 --> 01:02:02,340 person and the your greatest gift to an 1465 01:02:02,540 --> 01:02:04,515 actor or an actress is to create a 1466 01:02:04,715 --> 01:02:06,802 comfortable arena for them to to be 1467 01:02:07,002 --> 01:02:08,921 stellar to do their best work and if 1468 01:02:09,121 --> 01:02:11,150 they feel like they're cared for by the 1469 01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:12,940 cinematographer their work is indeed 1470 01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:14,615 going to be better they're going to take 1471 01:02:14,815 --> 01:02:16,802 bigger risks than they might if they 1472 01:02:17,002 --> 01:02:18,991 felt that they were being watched after 1473 01:02:19,191 --> 01:02:20,790 by the cinematographer many many years 1474 01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:22,845 ago right after I've become a cameraman 1475 01:02:23,045 --> 01:02:25,507 a very famous came at that time his name 1476 01:02:25,707 --> 01:02:28,113 Charlie Lange and Charlie was talk to me 1477 01:02:28,313 --> 01:02:30,571 one day and he said there's two things 1478 01:02:30,771 --> 01:02:33,030 I'd like to tell you Freddie said save 1479 01:02:33,230 --> 01:02:33,370 your money 1480 01:02:33,570 --> 01:02:35,555 but surround yourself with a good crew 1481 01:02:35,755 --> 01:02:37,740 it's not realized by the general public 1482 01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:39,520 with a focus boy has a tremendous 1483 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,900 influence on the look of a film and he 1484 01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:44,320 has a has to do something it's quite 1485 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,460 athletic and graceful and artistic and 1486 01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:48,520 it's really not well known it's because 1487 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,810 of name is focus puller or assistant 1488 01:02:51,010 --> 01:02:52,840 camera doesn't really give blend you 1489 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,860 know full weight to what that person is 1490 01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:57,010 doing with a good gaffer sitting right 1491 01:02:57,210 --> 01:02:59,630 over your right shoulder you can whisper 1492 01:02:59,830 --> 01:03:02,250 during rehearsals or whatever and a good 1493 01:03:02,450 --> 01:03:05,205 careful would be there knowing your 1494 01:03:05,405 --> 01:03:07,612 situation that you're not able to to 1495 01:03:07,812 --> 01:03:09,820 work whilst rehearsing or whatever 1496 01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:12,200 quietly in the background when you work 1497 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,455 the year after a year and a month after 1498 01:03:14,655 --> 01:03:17,607 a month and the kind of hours we worked 1499 01:03:17,807 --> 01:03:20,368 on a set and the long locations and 1500 01:03:20,568 --> 01:03:23,130 you're with your crew really mourn your 1501 01:03:23,330 --> 01:03:23,940 your family 1502 01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:26,320 which was the same but that's just the 1503 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,565 way it worked out but a strange fire 1504 01:03:29,765 --> 01:03:32,222 crew becomes your family and hopefully 1505 01:03:32,422 --> 01:03:34,880 you all get along because you're there 1506 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,790 for extended periods of time my 1507 01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:41,635 management style is basically admiration 1508 01:03:41,835 --> 01:03:44,827 I find people gaffer's first assistants 1509 01:03:45,027 --> 01:03:47,968 camera operators the key grips that that 1510 01:03:48,168 --> 01:03:51,844 I just love and admire and I got to work 1511 01:03:52,044 --> 01:03:55,422 with those people cinematography is the 1512 01:03:55,622 --> 01:03:58,366 mastering of a complex technology in the 1513 01:03:58,566 --> 01:04:01,558 service of art and a lot of people think 1514 01:04:01,758 --> 01:04:04,749 that that if you're a cinematographer 1515 01:04:04,949 --> 01:04:07,634 that you're more of a technician than 1516 01:04:07,834 --> 01:04:10,157 you are an artist but I would I would 1517 01:04:10,357 --> 01:04:12,618 say that you're more an artist that you 1518 01:04:12,818 --> 01:04:15,080 are a technician because the technology 1519 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,630 serves what the ideas are and how 1520 01:04:18,830 --> 01:04:20,830 they're filtered through your mind I can 1521 01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:23,205 say that I've always been type of person 1522 01:04:23,405 --> 01:04:25,892 that are the type of DP who's always 1523 01:04:26,092 --> 01:04:29,741 approached the subject matter first with 1524 01:04:29,941 --> 01:04:33,015 my heart first approached it as someone 1525 01:04:33,215 --> 01:04:36,092 who wants to tell a particular story and 1526 01:04:36,292 --> 01:04:38,336 how can the technology help me to tell 1527 01:04:38,536 --> 01:04:40,688 that story I think the great challenge 1528 01:04:40,888 --> 01:04:43,379 for us the cinematographers is is moving 1529 01:04:43,579 --> 01:04:46,070 into technology and I think that that's 1530 01:04:46,270 --> 01:04:47,870 scary for all of us there's no one 1531 01:04:48,070 --> 01:04:50,060 that's not scared by it it's hard to 1532 01:04:50,260 --> 01:04:52,070 keep pace with such changing technology 1533 01:04:52,270 --> 01:04:54,680 a piece of film is moved through the 1534 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,990 camera and it's exposed and it goes to 1535 01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:59,435 the laboratory and if you have light and 1536 01:04:59,635 --> 01:05:01,422 a lens and you can look at that image 1537 01:05:01,622 --> 01:05:03,676 almost anywhere in the world it's 1538 01:05:03,876 --> 01:05:06,738 amazing that that little machine can 1539 01:05:06,938 --> 01:05:09,800 create so much magic and is the basis of 1540 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,020 an art form that has more power and 1541 01:05:12,220 --> 01:05:14,030 influence than any other art form ever 1542 01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:15,965 invented the cameras are so much smaller 1543 01:05:16,165 --> 01:05:18,117 than other they're much easier to use I 1544 01:05:18,317 --> 01:05:20,303 mean you can get them into places that 1545 01:05:20,503 --> 01:05:23,496 we could never have got a camera into 10 1546 01:05:23,696 --> 01:05:26,173 15 years ago they're very light they're 1547 01:05:26,373 --> 01:05:29,966 perfectly balanced if you want to go 1548 01:05:30,166 --> 01:05:33,760 handheld the new way of people were 1549 01:05:34,210 --> 01:05:37,350 freed by their small camera 1550 01:05:37,550 --> 01:05:39,025 I could handhold and run around Paris 1551 01:05:39,225 --> 01:05:41,137 with and it's important to know the tool 1552 01:05:41,337 --> 01:05:42,898 and the best way to in order to is when 1553 01:05:43,098 --> 01:05:45,354 you carry that tool for eight hours 1554 01:05:45,554 --> 01:05:47,610 walking in the in the field so the 1555 01:05:47,810 --> 01:05:50,185 camera is part of you but to be able to 1556 01:05:50,385 --> 01:05:52,560 actually have the camera in my hand 1557 01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,630 looking at an actor and seeing them talk 1558 01:05:55,830 --> 01:05:58,275 and knowing that's the way it's gonna be 1559 01:05:58,475 --> 01:06:02,747 on the screen see and hearing at the 1560 01:06:02,947 --> 01:06:05,958 same time and to to feel if you are the 1561 01:06:06,158 --> 01:06:08,614 power I often think of myself as an 1562 01:06:08,814 --> 01:06:11,847 actor I mean I'm the person who stands 1563 01:06:12,047 --> 01:06:15,080 up on my feet with the actors day-to-day 1564 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,150 and walks around them if you have a 1565 01:06:17,350 --> 01:06:18,770 camera on your shoulder enough and 1566 01:06:18,970 --> 01:06:20,190 you're shooting and shooting and 1567 01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:22,345 shooting and shooting you I found that I 1568 01:06:22,545 --> 01:06:24,442 developed a second sense about where 1569 01:06:24,642 --> 01:06:26,716 people were going to move and where the 1570 01:06:26,916 --> 01:06:28,713 best place to be was cameras you know 1571 01:06:28,913 --> 01:06:30,510 they'll hate me for saying it but 1572 01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:33,025 cameras don't matter to me I think that 1573 01:06:33,225 --> 01:06:35,092 it's the lenses and I've said for years 1574 01:06:35,292 --> 01:06:37,176 that a camera is just a light type box 1575 01:06:37,376 --> 01:06:39,208 with a lens on the end well I've got a 1576 01:06:39,408 --> 01:06:40,944 very strong feeling about lenses and 1577 01:06:41,144 --> 01:06:43,102 personally I'm sitting here talking to 1578 01:06:43,302 --> 01:06:44,826 you and me you are filming me from over 1579 01:06:45,026 --> 01:06:46,993 there on a shoulder on a property a 1580 01:06:47,193 --> 01:06:49,471 single where I'd rarely do that because 1581 01:06:49,671 --> 01:06:51,625 I think you know the camera was to be to 1582 01:06:51,825 --> 01:06:53,617 me I would shoot singles inside here 1583 01:06:53,817 --> 01:06:55,723 unless it's through a particular facts 1584 01:06:55,923 --> 01:06:57,886 and then I'd drop back off and be more 1585 01:06:58,086 --> 01:06:59,628 observational with a shoulder in I mean 1586 01:06:59,828 --> 01:07:01,789 I think it's a totally different effect 1587 01:07:01,989 --> 01:07:04,744 to an audience looking at somebody on 1588 01:07:04,944 --> 01:07:07,497 the end of a hundred millimeter lens as 1589 01:07:07,697 --> 01:07:09,758 opposed to somebody that's been being 1590 01:07:09,958 --> 01:07:12,164 shot on a twenty-seven close to or 1591 01:07:12,364 --> 01:07:14,492 twenty one so here we are 32 min or 30 1592 01:07:14,692 --> 01:07:16,511 millimeter is on a zoom so sometimes you 1593 01:07:16,711 --> 01:07:18,530 can't tell what the millimeter anyway 1594 01:07:18,730 --> 01:07:20,190 but um it's different right 1595 01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:21,745 you know there's a sense of presence 1596 01:07:21,945 --> 01:07:23,632 you're right there with somebody 1597 01:07:23,832 --> 01:07:25,320 supposed to being this I think 1598 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,655 psychologically it's a totally different 1599 01:07:27,855 --> 01:07:29,587 effects the psychology of lenses is that 1600 01:07:29,787 --> 01:07:32,728 a wide-angle lens has a different effect 1601 01:07:32,928 --> 01:07:35,259 than a telephoto lens and so for example 1602 01:07:35,459 --> 01:07:37,859 Widing and in many different ways one of 1603 01:07:38,059 --> 01:07:40,359 them how the face is rendered also a 1604 01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:42,659 sense of action like Frank bring my hand 1605 01:07:42,859 --> 01:07:44,514 closer or further from the camera the 1606 01:07:44,714 --> 01:07:46,342 wide-angle lens is gonna have much more 1607 01:07:46,542 --> 01:07:48,411 effect than it does and even if I'm 1608 01:07:48,611 --> 01:07:50,480 shifting like this it's gonna hat it's 1609 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:50,579 gonna 1610 01:07:50,779 --> 01:07:53,569 more live more edgy than it would with 1611 01:07:53,769 --> 01:07:54,599 the telephoto light 1612 01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:58,619 I mean it's just the same as your 1613 01:07:58,819 --> 01:08:00,759 relationship and real life to somebody 1614 01:08:00,959 --> 01:08:02,924 I'm sitting this close to you I'm not 1615 01:08:03,124 --> 01:08:05,701 I'm not seeing you from over there on a 1616 01:08:05,901 --> 01:08:08,110 long lens you know so I I don't think we 1617 01:08:08,310 --> 01:08:10,469 take that into account as much as we 1618 01:08:10,669 --> 01:08:13,029 should really with all of these tools 1619 01:08:13,229 --> 01:08:15,014 available to us the question is what you 1620 01:08:15,214 --> 01:08:17,000 know what comes first the chicken or the 1621 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:18,510 egg do you find a great piece of 1622 01:08:18,710 --> 01:08:21,729 equipment and modify a shot to suit that 1623 01:08:21,929 --> 01:08:24,104 piece of equipment or do you figure out 1624 01:08:24,304 --> 01:08:26,012 what you want to do and find the right 1625 01:08:26,212 --> 01:08:28,270 piece of equipment I've never liked to 1626 01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:30,899 hear someone say we can't do it because 1627 01:08:31,099 --> 01:08:33,474 you can always find a way to do it and 1628 01:08:33,674 --> 01:08:36,891 if it requires different technology or a 1629 01:08:37,091 --> 01:08:39,649 different maybe even a different number 1630 01:08:39,849 --> 01:08:42,633 or two on the crew that's what you have 1631 01:08:42,833 --> 01:08:45,296 to do I love mechanics I mean in the 1632 01:08:45,496 --> 01:08:47,960 business I was always going home there's 1633 01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,954 got to be a better way to do this 1634 01:08:50,154 --> 01:08:52,871 there's got to be an easier way 1635 01:08:53,071 --> 01:08:55,514 I made the hi-hat because you know 1636 01:08:55,714 --> 01:08:57,496 hi-hat on a board is 1930s technology 1637 01:08:57,696 --> 01:08:59,479 and I bet you you still got one on the 1638 01:08:59,679 --> 01:08:59,998 stage here 1639 01:09:00,198 --> 01:09:02,108 Ron Dexter is an amazing person the 1640 01:09:02,308 --> 01:09:03,853 thing that one of the most important 1641 01:09:04,053 --> 01:09:06,061 things I learned from him is you never 1642 01:09:06,261 --> 01:09:08,109 have to accept the equipment as built by 1643 01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:10,738 the manufacturer what I did was I got 1644 01:09:10,938 --> 01:09:12,713 outside of the movie industry how do 1645 01:09:12,913 --> 01:09:14,489 other people do things I look at 1646 01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:18,954 catalogs I'd bounce things off of people 1647 01:09:19,154 --> 01:09:22,312 and found incredible tools that other 1648 01:09:22,512 --> 01:09:25,116 industries use it why aren't we I can 1649 01:09:25,316 --> 01:09:28,362 distinctly remember to this day him 1650 01:09:28,562 --> 01:09:31,215 bringing home a to see body that he had 1651 01:09:31,415 --> 01:09:34,157 just bought walking over to the bandsaw 1652 01:09:34,357 --> 01:09:36,782 and cutting in half you had a soft part 1653 01:09:36,982 --> 01:09:39,385 of the lens to mount put a different 1654 01:09:39,585 --> 01:09:41,557 mount on it I take the whatever the 1655 01:09:41,757 --> 01:09:44,668 simplest tool is to get the job done 1656 01:09:44,868 --> 01:09:47,318 approach if we can do the shot static 1657 01:09:47,518 --> 01:09:49,468 then it's on sticks if we need to move 1658 01:09:49,668 --> 01:09:51,683 the camera hopefully we can do it on a 1659 01:09:51,883 --> 01:09:53,466 dolly if it's got to go upstairs then it 1660 01:09:53,666 --> 01:09:55,348 might be a Steadicam and if it's going 1661 01:09:55,548 --> 01:09:58,029 to make a huge rise it'll be a crane but 1662 01:09:58,229 --> 01:10:00,584 to try to keep it as simple as possible 1663 01:10:00,784 --> 01:10:03,139 I find works the best for me every piece 1664 01:10:03,339 --> 01:10:03,780 of new technology 1665 01:10:03,980 --> 01:10:07,345 she inspires ideas film stocks have have 1666 01:10:07,545 --> 01:10:10,177 been the thing for me that have sort of 1667 01:10:10,377 --> 01:10:12,358 shaped the way films look today as the 1668 01:10:12,558 --> 01:10:14,619 digital word is coming towards us the 1669 01:10:14,819 --> 01:10:16,559 film keeps getting better so the bar you 1670 01:10:16,759 --> 01:10:18,939 know one raises the bar that the other 1671 01:10:19,139 --> 01:10:21,599 one needs to come to meet film is has 1672 01:10:21,799 --> 01:10:24,894 much more resolution buried in it then 1673 01:10:25,094 --> 01:10:27,202 then a 1k a 2k or a 4k skin when you 1674 01:10:27,402 --> 01:10:29,541 would go to release a motion picture 1675 01:10:29,741 --> 01:10:31,635 film there's a process called color 1676 01:10:31,835 --> 01:10:34,127 timing and when you sit down to do that 1677 01:10:34,327 --> 01:10:36,620 that has not changed basically since the 1678 01:10:36,820 --> 01:10:39,350 advent of you know color film when 1679 01:10:39,550 --> 01:10:41,880 Kalmus came up with Technicolor and 1680 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:43,615 essentially you sit there and you hold a 1681 01:10:43,815 --> 01:10:45,022 different color pieces of gelatin in 1682 01:10:45,222 --> 01:10:46,671 front of your eye and you say do you 1683 01:10:46,871 --> 01:10:48,515 like this yellow one no no let me see 1684 01:10:48,715 --> 01:10:50,292 the green one hey here's a yellow and a 1685 01:10:50,492 --> 01:10:52,186 green or hey try this magenta and you 1686 01:10:52,386 --> 01:10:54,212 try to get the color balance right I 1687 01:10:54,412 --> 01:10:56,231 think everybody now is probably played 1688 01:10:56,431 --> 01:10:58,290 with Photoshop or something like that 1689 01:10:58,490 --> 01:11:00,535 and these computers are incredibly 1690 01:11:00,735 --> 01:11:02,932 powerful tools in terms of doing very 1691 01:11:03,132 --> 01:11:05,421 subtle color correcting I would say the 1692 01:11:05,621 --> 01:11:07,910 traditionally film timing is compared to 1693 01:11:08,110 --> 01:11:08,970 digital well what we call a digital 1694 01:11:09,170 --> 01:11:11,435 intermediate or digital color correcting 1695 01:11:11,635 --> 01:11:14,172 is much cruder it's just like printing 1696 01:11:14,372 --> 01:11:17,056 printing a still photograph the great 1697 01:11:17,256 --> 01:11:19,623 photographers like Ansel Adams part of 1698 01:11:19,823 --> 01:11:22,241 what they did in creating their images 1699 01:11:22,441 --> 01:11:25,065 was the negative and the second part was 1700 01:11:25,265 --> 01:11:28,262 the print and the print was where it all 1701 01:11:28,462 --> 01:11:30,821 came together in this world of digital 1702 01:11:31,021 --> 01:11:33,270 intermediate were that's becoming more 1703 01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:36,745 common there's gonna be a lot of choices 1704 01:11:36,945 --> 01:11:39,472 to be made a lot of variables isn't an 1705 01:11:39,672 --> 01:11:41,901 interpretation that has to carry from 1706 01:11:42,101 --> 01:11:44,120 what the photography the original intent 1707 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,340 is it's like when those people need at 1708 01:11:46,540 --> 01:11:47,520 the beginning at the beginning of 1709 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,185 filmmaking used to ham paying the frames 1710 01:11:50,385 --> 01:11:52,547 the h1 each one each one they used to 1711 01:11:52,747 --> 01:11:54,710 hand-painted in order to give it a 1712 01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:58,760 personal look so by God by us going into 1713 01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,624 the digital Bay but by us using digital 1714 01:12:01,824 --> 01:12:04,347 intermediate we are hard painting over 1715 01:12:04,547 --> 01:12:07,208 films and that is going to make our our 1716 01:12:07,408 --> 01:12:09,764 our art it still to preserve and he's 1717 01:12:09,964 --> 01:12:11,897 gonna give each one of us a look which 1718 01:12:12,097 --> 01:12:14,583 is I think it's very very important that 1719 01:12:14,783 --> 01:12:17,270 we preserve the danger is that the role 1720 01:12:17,470 --> 01:12:19,470 the cinematographer is much more 1721 01:12:19,670 --> 01:12:22,465 vulnerable now if you're not available 1722 01:12:22,665 --> 01:12:25,957 six months nine months a year after you 1723 01:12:26,157 --> 01:12:28,483 finished shooting when the studio or 1724 01:12:28,683 --> 01:12:31,010 whoever's making the film is ready to do 1725 01:12:31,210 --> 01:12:32,810 the digital intermediate you got a 1726 01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:33,210 problem 1727 01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:34,900 the downside is any technology that 1728 01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,735 gives you sort of endless options also 1729 01:12:36,935 --> 01:12:38,522 gives you endless options to screw up 1730 01:12:38,722 --> 01:12:40,310 the image or have other people take over 1731 01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:42,660 the image so it becomes much more 1732 01:12:42,860 --> 01:12:44,605 important for this Montag refer to exert 1733 01:12:44,805 --> 01:12:46,807 some control over the post-production 1734 01:12:47,007 --> 01:12:48,958 process before with traditional film 1735 01:12:49,158 --> 01:12:50,679 printing there was limitations on how 1736 01:12:50,879 --> 01:12:52,200 much you could change the image or 1737 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,535 reformat the image or reframe the image 1738 01:12:54,735 --> 01:12:56,767 without affecting the quality so the 1739 01:12:56,967 --> 01:12:58,993 cinematographer could rely in some sense 1740 01:12:59,193 --> 01:13:00,976 of the limitations the technology to 1741 01:13:01,176 --> 01:13:02,943 keep the image close to what he intended 1742 01:13:03,143 --> 01:13:04,961 but now with digital intermediate that's 1743 01:13:05,161 --> 01:13:06,765 not the case he could turn the movie 1744 01:13:06,965 --> 01:13:09,047 into a completely different looking 1745 01:13:09,247 --> 01:13:11,943 image the advantages that you only have 1746 01:13:12,143 --> 01:13:15,086 to do your work once you can take this 1747 01:13:15,286 --> 01:13:18,787 digital intermediate and and port it 1748 01:13:18,987 --> 01:13:21,793 over to your HD mastering for DVD and 1749 01:13:21,993 --> 01:13:24,256 for all other uses and not have to do 1750 01:13:24,456 --> 01:13:26,898 the work twice again and this is a great 1751 01:13:27,098 --> 01:13:29,954 boon which was all those only pressures 1752 01:13:30,154 --> 01:13:32,747 on all of us to do more faster cheaper 1753 01:13:32,947 --> 01:13:34,908 this is a tool which helps us those 1754 01:13:35,108 --> 01:13:36,784 companies are out there and they're 1755 01:13:36,984 --> 01:13:38,667 doing everything they can to bring in 1756 01:13:38,867 --> 01:13:40,718 the jobs for us to shoot the commercials 1757 01:13:40,918 --> 01:13:42,779 and music videos but at the same time 1758 01:13:42,979 --> 01:13:44,640 the economy is tight so that their 1759 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,275 profit margins are being cut closer and 1760 01:13:47,475 --> 01:13:49,942 closer so we're always trying to find 1761 01:13:50,142 --> 01:13:52,476 things that as well as advancing the art 1762 01:13:52,676 --> 01:13:54,883 that'll also will advance just let us do 1763 01:13:55,083 --> 01:13:56,971 it quicker the movie industry is is this 1764 01:13:57,171 --> 01:13:59,060 is wonderful combination of high finance 1765 01:13:59,260 --> 01:14:01,200 and and art that's what a 1766 01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,844 cinematographer has to do all filmmakers 1767 01:14:04,044 --> 01:14:06,747 do when you show up you have to look at 1768 01:14:06,947 --> 01:14:09,173 your restraints as an opportunity every 1769 01:14:09,373 --> 01:14:11,871 time I see a new piece of equipment I 1770 01:14:12,071 --> 01:14:13,910 look at and in Envy and I say what do 1771 01:14:14,110 --> 01:14:16,385 you offer somebody let me have this for 1772 01:14:16,585 --> 01:14:18,702 Christmas for my next film well I tell a 1773 01:14:18,902 --> 01:14:20,941 story the first day we were shooting on 1774 01:14:21,141 --> 01:14:22,810 Barton think I have this story but I'm 1775 01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:24,645 really nervous I mean I think the guys 1776 01:14:24,845 --> 01:14:26,480 are great filmmakers so I was so pleased 1777 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:27,680 to be working with him 1778 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,895 in America I am being here really much 1779 01:14:30,095 --> 01:14:32,112 by then and anyway so that there's sort 1780 01:14:32,312 --> 01:14:34,691 of storyboards for the day I think and I 1781 01:14:34,891 --> 01:14:36,745 got and in prep I went up to Jolla said 1782 01:14:36,945 --> 01:14:38,537 well you know these shots what we were 1783 01:14:38,737 --> 01:14:40,783 on that we were looking at the location 1784 01:14:40,983 --> 01:14:42,731 we were in a theater downtown and I had 1785 01:14:42,931 --> 01:14:44,935 a series of shots going around this 1786 01:14:45,135 --> 01:14:47,162 stage and I said well what a Joel would 1787 01:14:47,362 --> 01:14:49,389 you know we could combine these and do a 1788 01:14:49,589 --> 01:14:52,970 moving camera shot and combine five 1789 01:14:53,170 --> 01:14:55,334 storyboards in woman's oh well okay yeah 1790 01:14:55,534 --> 01:14:57,207 that'll be great so we got a luma crane 1791 01:14:57,407 --> 01:14:59,523 it is about the only time I used it I 1792 01:14:59,723 --> 01:15:01,866 think and and did this did this little 1793 01:15:02,066 --> 01:15:04,343 shot instead of five shots it was one 1794 01:15:04,543 --> 01:15:06,976 fluid thing it's a opening of the movie 1795 01:15:07,176 --> 01:15:09,883 and so what I love about working with 1796 01:15:10,083 --> 01:15:12,356 them is they have this very thought-out 1797 01:15:12,556 --> 01:15:14,402 idea of what they want how they want to 1798 01:15:14,602 --> 01:15:16,671 cover things this sort of feel of the 1799 01:15:16,871 --> 01:15:18,945 movie but then they're really open to 1800 01:15:19,145 --> 01:15:21,312 ideas and that was the first day I work 1801 01:15:21,512 --> 01:15:24,206 with them so they had this they had this 1802 01:15:24,406 --> 01:15:26,807 day's work laid out in this theater we 1803 01:15:27,007 --> 01:15:29,173 wrapped at 12 o'clock you know in the 1804 01:15:29,373 --> 01:15:31,376 morning I mean midday cuz we've done 1805 01:15:31,576 --> 01:15:34,007 this lumic range shot I was here we had 1806 01:15:34,207 --> 01:15:36,943 nothing else to do I think people fall 1807 01:15:37,143 --> 01:15:39,506 in love with the process you know and 1808 01:15:39,706 --> 01:15:42,033 equipment and the process is a means to 1809 01:15:42,233 --> 01:15:44,586 an end I mean a camera is a tool you 1810 01:15:44,786 --> 01:15:46,523 know films a tool I Matilda the actors 1811 01:15:46,723 --> 01:15:48,106 are tools the directors are tool you 1812 01:15:48,306 --> 01:15:49,690 know and the whole thing is to move that 1813 01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:50,900 script onto the screen 1814 01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:53,220 the thing about tools and technology is 1815 01:15:53,420 --> 01:15:55,130 it's how you use them that makes us 1816 01:15:55,330 --> 01:15:57,660 different it's the ideas in your head 1817 01:15:57,860 --> 01:16:00,574 and the vision that you have and it's 1818 01:16:00,774 --> 01:16:03,052 like paint brushes you have one big 1819 01:16:03,252 --> 01:16:05,760 brush half an inch to inch work what a 1820 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,135 finish that's what technology today 1821 01:16:08,335 --> 01:16:09,937 that's how I use it as new tools the 1822 01:16:10,137 --> 01:16:12,338 relationship between technology and 1823 01:16:12,538 --> 01:16:14,738 style is a kind of dialectic really 1824 01:16:14,938 --> 01:16:17,539 technology does release you to do new 1825 01:16:17,739 --> 01:16:20,174 shots new angles new new movements but 1826 01:16:20,374 --> 01:16:22,810 you have to decide why you're doing them 1827 01:16:23,010 --> 01:16:25,240 not because you can but because you 1828 01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:27,685 should and I think that's the key to to 1829 01:16:27,885 --> 01:16:29,672 the use of technology you can have all 1830 01:16:29,872 --> 01:16:31,459 kinds of ideas on what you want to 1831 01:16:31,659 --> 01:16:33,194 achieve but if you don't know your craft 1832 01:16:33,394 --> 01:16:34,797 if you don't know how to use your tools 1833 01:16:34,997 --> 01:16:36,400 you'll never be able to get those ideas 1834 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:37,069 across 1835 01:16:37,269 --> 01:16:39,539 so you have to master that part of it 1836 01:16:39,739 --> 01:16:42,199 and part of that the tools are the 1837 01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:44,594 cameras the lenses the film stock the 1838 01:16:44,794 --> 01:16:47,757 lights the type of lighting you're going 1839 01:16:47,957 --> 01:16:50,388 to do exposure the lab work it's all 1840 01:16:50,588 --> 01:16:52,819 part of it well for every artist no 1841 01:16:53,019 --> 01:16:56,609 matter what the art form they're dealing 1842 01:16:56,809 --> 01:17:00,400 in the technology is the servant of the 1843 01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:01,240 artist 1844 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:05,455 it could be cave painting in southern 1845 01:17:05,655 --> 01:17:08,817 France seventeen thousand years ago the 1846 01:17:09,017 --> 01:17:12,633 technology of creating dyes and pigments 1847 01:17:12,833 --> 01:17:16,296 to scratch images on the cave wall was 1848 01:17:16,496 --> 01:17:20,693 the technology that the artists used to 1849 01:17:20,893 --> 01:17:24,811 create those images when I was a child I 1850 01:17:25,011 --> 01:17:29,240 used to of envision II I used to run to 1851 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,715 get a kick by running on stones which 1852 01:17:32,915 --> 01:17:36,237 were by the sea and moving all of them 1853 01:17:36,437 --> 01:17:39,468 and the fun was to to choose by with you 1854 01:17:39,668 --> 01:17:41,968 for your eye on which stone put your 1855 01:17:42,168 --> 01:17:44,523 food and that you are already a gun but 1856 01:17:44,723 --> 01:17:47,016 if the stone was a bad stone or because 1857 01:17:47,216 --> 01:17:49,510 you had the deaf you were barefooted it 1858 01:17:49,710 --> 01:17:51,260 would be hurt and all that and in 1859 01:17:51,460 --> 01:17:53,354 filming is a little like that swimming 1860 01:17:53,554 --> 01:17:56,337 is always running forward looking for 1861 01:17:56,537 --> 01:17:59,223 not losing your balance and and having a 1862 01:17:59,423 --> 01:18:01,476 lot of fun from this kind of event yes 1863 01:18:01,676 --> 01:18:03,547 adrenaline shot that we're having all 1864 01:18:03,747 --> 01:18:06,473 the sets all the time in our lifetime 1865 01:18:06,673 --> 01:18:10,096 we've already gone through major changes 1866 01:18:10,296 --> 01:18:13,719 in technology technique black and white 1867 01:18:13,919 --> 01:18:17,180 color negative reversal 1868 01:18:17,380 --> 01:18:20,320 not to mention from silent to sound and 1869 01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,959 I think those those changes 1870 01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:25,809 talk to me far more greater than the 1871 01:18:26,009 --> 01:18:29,334 change that we're facing at the moment 1872 01:18:29,534 --> 01:18:32,087 which is from film to digital mediums I 1873 01:18:32,287 --> 01:18:34,628 think cinematography hasn't changed but 1874 01:18:34,828 --> 01:18:37,103 it might require a new cinematographer 1875 01:18:37,303 --> 01:18:39,986 one who's versed in digital technology 1876 01:18:40,186 --> 01:18:42,869 and fearless and able to assert the the 1877 01:18:43,069 --> 01:18:44,709 the view the vision as as the 1878 01:18:44,909 --> 01:18:47,224 cinematographer traditionally is done on 1879 01:18:47,424 --> 01:18:49,739 the set is also to command the process 1880 01:18:49,939 --> 01:18:51,570 through the end so that the look 1881 01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:53,589 creation doesn't escape the 1882 01:18:53,789 --> 01:18:55,699 cinematographer I think all of the 1883 01:18:55,899 --> 01:18:57,729 techniques all of the tools all of the 1884 01:18:57,929 --> 01:18:59,749 new materials that are that allow us to 1885 01:18:59,949 --> 01:19:01,509 make images no matter what they are 1886 01:19:01,709 --> 01:19:03,934 whether they're digital whether they're 1887 01:19:04,134 --> 01:19:06,242 film or whether they're you know we're 1888 01:19:06,442 --> 01:19:08,805 shooting on on tissue paper it doesn't 1889 01:19:09,005 --> 01:19:11,452 matter what what is important is that 1890 01:19:11,652 --> 01:19:13,616 the cinematographer is needed from the 1891 01:19:13,816 --> 01:19:16,107 beginning of the production till the end 1892 01:19:16,307 --> 01:19:18,599 of the production and not until a film 1893 01:19:18,799 --> 01:19:20,949 gets on the screen is when the 1894 01:19:21,149 --> 01:19:23,939 cinematographers work work over I think 1895 01:19:24,139 --> 01:19:27,674 what has mattered to me in my career is 1896 01:19:27,874 --> 01:19:31,191 the times that I really thought that I 1897 01:19:31,391 --> 01:19:34,709 really hit the mark was when I closed my 1898 01:19:34,909 --> 01:19:36,189 mind to all the technique and the 1899 01:19:36,389 --> 01:19:39,094 technology and listened to my heart and 1900 01:19:39,294 --> 01:19:41,791 my soul and then the answer came just 1901 01:19:41,991 --> 01:19:44,205 like that we create our own vision we 1902 01:19:44,405 --> 01:19:46,582 get to put it on film we get to show it 1903 01:19:46,782 --> 01:19:49,030 to the world I have always felt that one 1904 01:19:49,230 --> 01:19:51,409 of the greatest gifts of mankind is not 1905 01:19:51,609 --> 01:19:53,789 the opposable thumb which has given us 1906 01:19:53,989 --> 01:19:55,514 technology in our society but the 1907 01:19:55,714 --> 01:19:57,039 ability to tell story that's very 1908 01:19:57,239 --> 01:19:59,689 beginning we create fire light sources 1909 01:19:59,889 --> 01:20:02,769 and we create shadows we need to make 1910 01:20:02,969 --> 01:20:05,224 images it's not really a thing we choose 1911 01:20:05,424 --> 01:20:07,321 to do it's something we need to do we've 1912 01:20:07,521 --> 01:20:10,455 always needed to do this we've always 1913 01:20:10,655 --> 01:20:12,862 needed to create images before there 1914 01:20:13,062 --> 01:20:14,950 were words there were images before 1915 01:20:15,150 --> 01:20:18,244 there were numbers there were images 1916 01:20:18,444 --> 01:20:21,016 there were drawings on caves that's how 1917 01:20:21,216 --> 01:20:23,632 that's how deep our drive to do this is 1918 01:20:23,832 --> 01:20:26,249 it's interesting because the images they 1919 01:20:26,449 --> 01:20:29,699 created with flickering light in a 1920 01:20:29,899 --> 01:20:30,700 darkened cave 1921 01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:33,920 is not dissimilar to the images we 1922 01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,790 create with flickering lights in a 1923 01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:39,395 darkened theater the future is in us 1924 01:20:39,595 --> 01:20:42,212 telling stories with pictures but there 1925 01:20:42,412 --> 01:20:45,166 is only one thing they never change the 1926 01:20:45,366 --> 01:20:49,688 idea the idea doesn't matter if you do a 1927 01:20:49,888 --> 01:20:53,629 mono or stone on wood on canvas on films 1928 01:20:53,829 --> 01:20:57,174 or in electronic the idea is the one 1929 01:20:57,374 --> 01:21:00,052 that really stayed always because it's 1930 01:21:00,252 --> 01:21:03,386 energy because it's part of ourselves 1931 01:21:03,586 --> 01:21:06,223 it's the idea that is important it's why 1932 01:21:06,423 --> 01:21:09,576 you do something as opposed to how you 1933 01:21:09,776 --> 01:21:12,930 do something what you do and why you do 1934 01:21:13,130 --> 01:21:13,060 it 1935 01:21:13,260 --> 01:21:15,850 if the emphasis remains on good 1936 01:21:16,050 --> 01:21:18,875 storytelling visually then this great 1937 01:21:19,075 --> 01:21:21,347 work to be seen in the future with no 1938 01:21:21,547 --> 01:21:24,128 limits as to what the image could 1939 01:21:24,328 --> 01:21:26,910 conjure up so I think we're in for a 1940 01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:27,840 good ride 1941 01:24:57,090 --> 01:24:59,150 you 1942 01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,340 you 149249

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