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light while light having his knowledge
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knowledge is love love is freedom
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freedom is energy energy so without any
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doubt without light we can't have any
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images
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a cinematographer is a visual
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psychiatrist moving the audience through
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a movie from here to there to there to
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here making him think the way you want
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to think painting pictures in the dark
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you have to light you have to compose
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and you have to create movement and
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those are the three elements of
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cinematography
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you have to get style the hard way you
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earn it by growing it internally and
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letting it bubble out from inside some
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of it comes from experience some of it
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comes from inspiration and some of it
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just happens film is like a sumo
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wrestler it's you know sometimes you get
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thrown out of the ring by it and
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sometimes you win
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I think it's really important to really
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delve deep into it and really become
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part of your subconscious and your
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psyche to really develop an idea for how
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you visually want to represent a story
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we have the ability to work in all
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genres and each film should have its own
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style
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I think was the fascination initially
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with the technology and then how
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mastering that technology in the service
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of art made cinematography such a unique
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thing that just kept me in it to this
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day
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my name is Ramirez Harrison Russell so
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Brooke
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Howard Anderson I'm Howard Anderson the
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third Peter Anderson my name is Michael
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ball house DM BB I'm Bill Bennett
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Gabrielle berry stain and a machinima
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tog refer a Mexican British educated and
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American improved Larry bridges Jonathan
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Brown I'm Steve Bureau - cinematographer
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bill Butler
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Bobby burn Russell carpenter James
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chrysanthus your callisters yeah
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Cooperman Erickson Corps I'm Richard
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crudo I'm Dean candy Oliver catice I'm
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Allen Davila and I'm a cinematographer
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Roger Deakins Peter Deming Caleb
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Deschanel I'm Ron Dexter bill bill
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George P or ODB Ernest Dickerson I'm
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Richard Edlund John Fowler I'm dawn
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Fauntleroy and Steve fair burg William a
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Fraker my name is Michael [ย __ย ] Steven
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gold bland my name's Jack green Adam
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greenberg Ravi Greenberg cinematographer
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my name is Hannah Hoffman
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Ernie Holzmann my name is Gil Hubbs I'm
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Judy a rola mark Kerwin levy Isaacs
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Johnny Jensen I'm Victor J Canberra
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Frances Kenny Richard Klein Fred Cana
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camp my babies Iรกszlรณ kovรกcs last local
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watch I'm Ellen caress ASC yamato-class
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coos hi I'm amber Lazlo
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I am Dunedin wah Matt you know Peter
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levy Matthew the boutique
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I'm Steven Leight Hill karvall
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son-in-law Bruce Lowen Julio makan
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Isadora Mankowski ASC Chris Manley
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Steven Mason I'm Clark Mathis dawn with
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quake Rob mcLaughlin check Minsky Donald
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M Morgan Cramer Morgenthau David Mullen
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Fred Murphy my name is Huell Naruto I'm
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Michal Negrin my name is Saul Negron
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Darrin Okada I'm witty omens I'm Daniel
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Pearl fern Pearlstein wally pfister bill
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Pope Stephen poster Bob primes
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Toni returned I'm a cinematographer my
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name is Owen Roseman Pete Romano I'm
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Paul Ryan from Nancy Shriver my name is
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John Schwartzman my name is John Steele
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Dean Semler
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hi I'm Michael Sarrazin from New Zealand
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Steven Shaw Newton Thomas Segal and on
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my best days I'm a cinematographer
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Bradley 6 Dantas Funaki I'm hooli
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Steiger my name is Tom Stern my name is
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Vittorio Storaro I'm a cinematographer
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I'm not a director of photography Rodney
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Taylor I'm John tow and less
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cinematographer case fellows I'm Amy
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Vincent
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my name is Haskell
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Wechsler Gordon Willis ralph Woolsey
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Robert yeoman ambien mows England
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messing them about you affair invariably
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two questions come up and the first
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question somebody will ask how did you
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reading me
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started the film business when I was a
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kid I was I was mad about movies but it
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was a long time is my I suppose my
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career my life just sort of gradually
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sort of gradually grew into my dreams
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really you know I became a
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cinematographer because at 14 after
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being interested in photography for
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about four years I met a cinematographer
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in the day I met him I decided that's
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what I wanted to do for the rest of my
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life I got interested when I first saw a
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demonstration of color television and I
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had gone to movies and had
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black-and-white television but when I
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saw color I said I have to find out how
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they do this even though in those days
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you really had no hope of ever becoming
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anyone in the movie business unless
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you're somehow connected to somebody in
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the business well my father was a
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cinematographer I was born into it
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my dad was an animation count I was in a
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family business my father my uncle and
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my grandfather and all of the relatives
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that I can remember on my father's side
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were barbers my father was a makeup
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artist at Warner Brothers Brooklyn
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during the Depression so I was always
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around hanging around hanging around and
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I decided I want to be an actor early on
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when I was a kid lucky for me I changed
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my mind I became a cinematographer
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because of the influence of my
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grandmother and she was a schoolteacher
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must find Mexico when I was in Mexico
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being been from a family of actors and
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filmmakers my aunt who along with my
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mother we're both extras and my aunt
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said Billy you're gonna go to school
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and you're gonna become a
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cinematographer and I said what do you
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mean and she said they're the most
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respected people on the set they're all
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wear ties
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and it's a great profession my dad
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always contended it was a great business
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to fall back on if you had another
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opportunity little did I know I spent
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seven years cutting hair waiting for an
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opportunity
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my father was head of the Portrait
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Gallery at Warner's my mother had been
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an art dealer my father was a painter
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and sculptor so if I went to become a
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lawyer or a doctor I think I would have
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been disowned I could never draw or
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paint or do anything like that
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I picked this camera up and I could
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paint mother says wreck and Menace in
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Minnesota I was born and raised in
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Chicago I was born in Hungary Sydney
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Australia born and raised in Los Angeles
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I grew up in Mexico I grew up in
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Cleveland Ohio
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I'm originally from Poland this was o
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Claire Wisconsin you know I come from an
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area of Italy where which is very far
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away from any movie industry we go back
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actually to Jerusalem when I started I
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built a tent and I start pick up
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cartoons splicing together I love film
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because all I've ever done really it's
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all I've ever done from right from when
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I left school at 15 I joined I joined
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path a news
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I started in television when I was 16 as
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a props boy I was a messenger boy
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running up and down Water Street with
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cans of film I was lucky that my father
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as a beautiful dream he was a
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projectionist in a very big company in
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Italy in the 15 it looks film looks
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fitting and it was dreaming probably to
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be part of the image they were screen so
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it put his dream on me when I was a kid
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I liked still photography loved it I
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thought for a while I wanted to be a
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photographer for Life magazine like Jean
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Smith who was one am I here my childhood
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heroes and the year I was a senior in
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high school life folded and I ended up
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starting go to university because of not
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knowing any better I'm not daring to
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apply to film school and then when I
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went to college I kind of was trying to
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decide should I go into filmmaking which
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see my jumping off a cliff if you were
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in Detroit in college I was a lighting
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designer I was the AV guy was a town
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projectionist I was also the school
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projections every school
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- it was in school studying mathematics
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and physics I studied engineering in
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college I'm educated as the mechanical
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engineer in Copenhagen Denmark I was
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studying English literature at Hofstra
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University and I needed six credits to
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graduate and I took a film course
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well my first love really was journalism
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I began studying architecture in
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addition to your film studies I was an
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architecture student and I was faced
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with a difficult model I which I
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couldn't build so I decided to make an
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animated film but I remembered when I
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was cutting it together between two very
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old VCRs and I thirty minutes had passed
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and I was getting hungry and I looked up
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in actually six hours had passed and I
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realized hmm and I never really lost
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track of time doing calculus I went to
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Johns Hopkins as an undergraduate to
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become a physician first I was a movie
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buff like watching Favreau teams or the
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cinematic machines
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I mean projected not tapes at the time
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and of course my studies I was studying
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many medicine at the time medical
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studies but of course I was such a
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failure so I had to do something else
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and one day once a movie Akira
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Kurosawa's Ron and I was pretty blown
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away I thought if that's something you
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can do I want to do it and seemed like
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he film was closer to dreams than the
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rest of the art work I was doing the
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next big influence would probably be
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days of heaven this happened when I was
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in college the end of high school I was
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happen to be was in a library and I was
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walking through the stacks and a book of
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a red cover caught my eye and it was
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called the work of the motion picture
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Cameron by Freddy Young BSC and I said
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oh what's that what's the motion picture
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camera man in film school I met a young
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gentleman by the name of Spike Lee and I
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shot all of his student projects in the
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second and third years I didn't go to
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film school I worked on a lot of a lot
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of student films I came out of film
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school and then didn't work for a lot of
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years I was painting the first year out
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of art school I wanted to be a painter
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at one time as much as I loved painting
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I couldn't I couldn't get them to move
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they were like and I took trying to get
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them to move and the only way I could do
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that was
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shooting little films I had a dream I
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dreamt of Gandhi and a spinning wheel
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and the life magazine pictures that
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market pork whited shot and in the dream
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they animated not only did the spinning
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wheel move but the camera moves around
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it and I took that as a sign that maybe
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it was time I add the dimension of
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motion to to my still photography as a
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designer or as an illustrator I would be
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dealing with single image and they
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became increasingly frustrating just to
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be looking at a single image for a long
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time and and and being just began to
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think of sequence of images to tell tell
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stories I was the secretary in the KQED
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and I watched the people come out of the
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the film Department every day carrying
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silver cases and wearing Levi's and I
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didn't want to wear nylons anymore I
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said truly and I started working with
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the film paper film department on the
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weekends started actually as a stagehand
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I started off as a documentary still
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photographer I started as an underwater
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camera in the US Navy and I was working
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as a waiter I started off as an animator
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when I graduated college I arrived here
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in Los Angeles and sought work and
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initially couldn't get the time of day
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from anybody when I moved to New York
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and answered an ad in The Village Voice
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which got me onto a real movie had a
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friend that was working on a low-budget
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horror film in South Carolina and I went
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down there and worked as a PA started
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right from the bottom I was a PA I was a
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assistant to the lowest assistant I did
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everything from sweeping the floor to
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projecting the film when I started in
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the business the only equipment diverse
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trusted grid was a broom when I was 26
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years old I finished film school in
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Hungary I went to film school in Hungary
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and the revolution came in 1956 against
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Russians with my friend boomer segment
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we covered all the cinematographers in
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the Revolution we were shooting for this
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documentary footage we shot about 30,000
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feet of film and we had the meeting
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secretly think that that some people
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will have to volunteer to go to the West
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and take the footage out we smuggled it
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out and we couldn't obviously we
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couldn't go back and I volunteered
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actually it was I had the reason to go
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as long as we figured we are here in the
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West this was still in Germany I'm in
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Austria Vienna - well let's go to
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Hollywood of course that was easy to say
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but it but in reality actually if you
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don't know the language you don't know
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anybody and you you go and visit all the
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Hungarians who are in in the business in
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those days you know like your Pasternak
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Josh I got bored and you can name all of
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them and and then we thought that maybe
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that can help us to get into the film
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business but then work that way actually
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you know they said that first you have
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to show what you can do and then we can
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help you and I didn't realize it once be
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short but we can do we didn't need that
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help anymore
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like I couldn't get best secretaries at
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one point I said that resumes hand
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printed on sandpaper just so they would
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remember it you know I sent the resumes
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written on short cardboard so they
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couldn't crumple it up and toss it in
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the wastebasket my family won't know
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well what are you gonna do with your
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life now and they had some some business
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ideas some things that I should do to
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make something of myself
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my father always would say to me when I
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was first starting out well why don't
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you join CBS oh why don't you get a real
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job as you know a cameraman on a news
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station became a news cameraman for the
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16 mill bill and Hal black
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we used to take great pride in shooting
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3d do stories on 100 feet of film River
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paradox channel with save money and I
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managed to get into the government
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station which is the Australian
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Broadcasting Commission and there was
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quite a good little group of features
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type cameraman there from the early days
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a lot of them were X World War two
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combat cameraman so you had this amazing
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crossover between fairly sophisticated
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features cameraman and rough-and-tumble
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alcoholic combat cameraman so it was a
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good learning process you didn't know
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who you'd be going out with to a system
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but you did either end up you know doing
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a lovely job of something or totally
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drunk I had a couple guys live next door
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to me and they asked me if I wanted a
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job and I got a job at a television
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station no pushing dollies and the boom
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and all of that stuff and it seemed like
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the coolest guys on the set were around
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the camera
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I started in 1943 and I worked eight
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years as an assistant cameraman and
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showed up first day of work with a paper
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bag and a tape measure I was never an
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assistant I was never an operator
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actually even loaded mags and slept
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slates for a long time clean tripods and
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cleaned up the equipment in the cases
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and and drove the gear from place to
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place anything good that ever happened
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to me happening because of someone else
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giving me an opportunity the thing about
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the businesses generosity of people so I
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had a wonderful learning experiences and
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working relationships with oh and
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royzman taught me to see in a tenth of a
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stop you know I always say when I'm
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teaching students anything is
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cinematography is an art form but at the
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same time it's a craft and it's
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definitely a combination of the two one
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of my mentors at Dartmouth was Andy
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Laszlo he was invited to talk about half
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an hour to our to our class on
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cinematography and two days later he was
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still talking so Andy was a great mentor
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and a great inspiration and probably one
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of the reasons why I really wanted to
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get into the business you have to be
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totally absolutely
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committed to it you have to it has to
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become religion you have to eat it sleep
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eat talk it and go after every
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opportunity is to get yourself
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established and in the process I ran
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into this wonderful man who eventually
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became my mentor Ron Dexter
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and I would say Ron Dexter was an
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inspiration to so many of us I taught
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all along once I knew something I'd
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share whatever I knew he would have
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occasional symposiums where he would
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talk about what he was doing and show
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the experiments that he was making and
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then he'd have us all bring in pieces of
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film what we were shooting and have
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group discussions I was lucky that the
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gaffer really took an interest in my
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learning electricity and light my mentor
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in Hollywood is the cinematographer Bill
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Maher cygwin I had the opportunity to
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work with Vittorio here in Los Angeles
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and I would pick up mr. Ferraro at the
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at the hotel and sunset every morning
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and we were drive by drive him to work
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and I would ask him a question about
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maybe composition or a certain scene
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we're doing today and then I would get a
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30 or 40 minute lecture I felt like a
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doctorate on composition or color or
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Yugoslavian primitive art or whatever it
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was that was his inspiration for that
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for that film so when I was young and I
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was mentoring it was a really unique
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opportunity to get to spend time with
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these people and really sort of
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understand their thought process I mean
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I can remember with Vittorio bringing my
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light meter in a sketchbook around and I
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used to just berate me and he'd say
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that's not what it's about it's you know
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it's from the heart it's about the
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emotion and I thought to myself yeah
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yeah that's all good and well your
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Vittorio Storaro I was always supposed
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to be told you stood out even in my
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beginning when I started there was
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nobody knew me nobody
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you know so myself compared to what I
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did before I think the you should be
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always yourself from when you start from
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when you are in the journey or when you
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think you reach one specific place
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that's part of your personality part of
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your way of thinking but you always do
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it many times yes young cinematographer
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telling me you can do that or maybe
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refuse the project or maybe do one
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selection in your life because you are
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now this kind of person I always did
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that I mean I remember that on the first
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film germinate surgery Nitza and I was
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doing tests for actors everywhere like
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more or less your crew was much more
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cruel we were working in a very simple
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way and just try to understand what the
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movie's supposed to look like and so now
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I find myself uncomfortable for what did
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he had to ask me to do and I was forced
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to do it and at the end of the day I was
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28 I say to him goodbye
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I don't think I came back tomorrow
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because I love you you need me you need
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someone someone to just put one light
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just let you see whoever's in front to
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you not in a particular way they you
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want to see this person so I don't think
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I came back tomorrow
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I was might that two years before I we
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already have one daughter and my wife
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was petting a child we had the only $50
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imbalance and I say no no is a very
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important word very important yes it's
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not a good word all the time you know I
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mean it doesn't get you more work in
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fact no gets you more work than yes
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because anything works while you're
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shooting it nothing works in the
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screening room if it's no good so what
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they said the day before they can't
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remember when they get in the screening
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room so if you said no to something bad
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and it turns out to be right in the
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screening room they forget about the
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know the day before but they never
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forget about the yes if it's no good
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and this was wonderful and I was
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victorious tonight oh then on my first
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film I believe a cinematographer should
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always be interpreting we should never
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be recording but adding their point of
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view their interpretation to anything
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and in order to interpret you have to
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make a commentary have to say something
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about it either with light and dark or
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color composition or textures or
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whatever to shoot it in a gritty grainy
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handle way or do you do it in a very
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beautifully lit way with glided tracks
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you have to make a decision so it's not
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always as obvious what style you would
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want to use to make the film when you do
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a scene you ask yourself what do you are
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the audience to think or feel the end of
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this scene they didn't at the beginning
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of the same so what path do we take that
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will evoke that emotional response by
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the end of the scene style yeah
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everybody wants a story about style you
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know how you get the formula well there
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is no formula because style comes out of
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you I mean people who like to hear that
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you did this you did that but really the
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reason you did it is for something that
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you were thinking and I actually it
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comes out of your life what you've been
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exposed to who you are what you think
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and that's what ends up on the screen
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and style basically comes out of
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conceiving designing creating a a visual
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approach to a particular story style is
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an individual artists own take on things
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it's not a coat of paint it's not a suit
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that you can just put on it's not a coat
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of paint you can just put on a building
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it's not surface I'd like to think that
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my style is based on the translation of
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the material and I think the most
548
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important thing is the the narrative and
549
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our job is to is to take that narrative
550
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and translate it into into imagery style
551
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of the picture and the look of the
552
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picture it starts with the written word
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first you read the script start at the
554
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story it's always always always about
555
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the story the script obviously it starts
556
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with the script the story the material
557
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the written word starts with the script
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you've got to know the script that
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number one you read the script and you
560
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try to figure out what this movie's
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gonna look like I mean if I get a script
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I really like to read it at least 10
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times when you first read the script you
564
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have no idea the cast is what the
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location is what the sets are like what
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the Wardrobe is but you have a vision is
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you come up with pictures you read any
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pictures I try to read it for just the
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words and the feeling of it I end up
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pre-visualize in it no matter how hard I
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try not to you first you need the script
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and maybe you already have some ideas
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how it should look
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but the basic thing is that you sit down
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with the director and start to talk
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about the movie first when I read the
577
00:24:49,767 --> 00:24:52,368
script I never almost never have any
578
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ideas of images and trying to just to
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read to see if I would like to see it as
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a story at all and also because I
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probably because I'm I don't want to
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maybe it's wrong I don't know better
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maybe I don't want to come to the
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meeting and meet the director and say oh
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I see very strong colors and the
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director say well I see it black and
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white so I guess for this reason I just
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restrain myself to have any idea in the
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beginning and not only the first meeting
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but also in the first weeks where I see
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my job I like trying to be more like a
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sponge and to try to get any information
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I can get I very often don't really know
594
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I have my ideas and then you know I let
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it I listen a lot and I just walk
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through it and pretend I know I don't
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have a clue and because it sort of comes
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00:25:38,502 --> 00:25:40,196
later I really do believe every film
599
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that I've done has sort of found its own
600
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style somehow basically you haven't you
601
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have a great idea or you have an idea
602
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what you want this picture your picture
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to look like I call yours because you're
604
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working on it and you talk with your
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director and it's usually you and the
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director who who who find a bond who
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form a marriage and that's what it's all
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about and when you go to work with a
609
00:26:03,808 --> 00:26:06,094
director I think you have to find out
610
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what is inside his or her head I'd like
611
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to break down the screenplay with the
612
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director scene foreseeing act by act
613
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discuss things back and forth until we
614
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know it's sort of the the right way to
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00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,299
do it and we'll bash it back and forth
616
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and and we'll keep landing on the
617
00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:25,385
same sort of thing and I think that the
618
00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:27,630
photography falls into place and that if
619
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we're talking about you know how to
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shoot something or what the mood is or
621
00:26:31,872 --> 00:26:34,046
how important something is I don't think
622
00:26:34,246 --> 00:26:36,698
the director and I discussed anything
623
00:26:36,898 --> 00:26:39,604
about the style of the film the style
624
00:26:39,804 --> 00:26:42,062
kind of grew out of itself as we work
625
00:26:42,262 --> 00:26:44,520
together they are cinematographers who
626
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,345
are cinematographer painters
627
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cinematographer engineers
628
00:26:48,170 --> 00:26:50,595
cinematographer editors I believe that
629
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I'm a bit of a cinematographer writer in
630
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as much as I try to penetrate a story
631
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really well and I try to find a way in
632
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which my lighting on my camera work
633
00:27:01,385 --> 00:27:04,157
becomes a character within the story
634
00:27:04,357 --> 00:27:07,328
that's why it's called - Imam Musa
635
00:27:07,528 --> 00:27:10,954
because he's nourish itself from the
636
00:27:11,154 --> 00:27:14,162
other Nine Muses from literature from
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00:27:14,362 --> 00:27:18,616
painting from dancing from philosophy
638
00:27:18,816 --> 00:27:22,028
from sculpture from architecture only
639
00:27:22,228 --> 00:27:25,440
when you are cinema is really today that
640
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,830
in an art form
641
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there were combined all the different
642
00:27:30,085 --> 00:27:32,940
art form in this I think is one of the
643
00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:34,935
things how a style involves for a
644
00:27:35,135 --> 00:27:36,730
picture is that you look at films
645
00:27:36,930 --> 00:27:39,210
together you look at still photographs
646
00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:40,845
you look at paintings in a sense
647
00:27:41,045 --> 00:27:42,280
painters and cinematographers it's
648
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,420
they're cut from the same genetic strain
649
00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:47,710
I mean it's their special every
650
00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:50,000
cinematographer would love to shoot you
651
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,270
know from sunrise for about two hours
652
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:54,305
and then stop when the lights no good in
653
00:27:54,505 --> 00:27:56,162
the middle of the day and then at the
654
00:27:56,362 --> 00:27:58,171
end of the day shoot at the end of the
655
00:27:58,371 --> 00:27:59,880
day that's like painters painters used
656
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,265
to go out really early in the morning
657
00:28:02,465 --> 00:28:04,447
and capture all their effects and I mean
658
00:28:04,647 --> 00:28:06,603
people said well why you know why did
659
00:28:06,803 --> 00:28:08,866
constable look look better than Turner
660
00:28:09,066 --> 00:28:10,898
and the answer always was constable got
661
00:28:11,098 --> 00:28:13,144
up earlier in the morning when I think
662
00:28:13,344 --> 00:28:16,007
of painters that I would like to make
663
00:28:16,207 --> 00:28:18,923
honorary members of the ASC I would in a
664
00:28:19,123 --> 00:28:21,840
second write a letter to the Membership
665
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,960
Committee for Monet
666
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,600
because Monet taught me a great deal
667
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,650
about color latitude and about
668
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:32,350
atmosphere
669
00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:36,755
I'm always resourcing visuals sometimes
670
00:28:36,955 --> 00:28:40,112
music but usually visuals from all the
671
00:28:40,312 --> 00:28:43,016
other arts and bringing them together
672
00:28:43,216 --> 00:28:46,093
what I call my brain book which which is
673
00:28:46,293 --> 00:28:49,170
well before we start shooting sometimes
674
00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:52,730
becomes one or two volumes of
675
00:28:53,030 --> 00:28:56,310
photographs of drawings of diagrams of
676
00:28:56,510 --> 00:29:00,450
thoughts that I have about the look of a
677
00:29:00,650 --> 00:29:04,215
picture the idea being that that usually
678
00:29:04,415 --> 00:29:06,907
by the fourth and sometimes by the sixth
679
00:29:07,107 --> 00:29:10,578
week of a production everybody's brain
680
00:29:10,778 --> 00:29:13,704
dead everybody's exhausted and so having
681
00:29:13,904 --> 00:29:17,532
done that work in pre-production in a
682
00:29:17,732 --> 00:29:21,696
coherent state I have a bottom line of
683
00:29:21,896 --> 00:29:24,753
quality that a safety net that I can
684
00:29:24,953 --> 00:29:27,616
descend who by looking into that book
685
00:29:27,816 --> 00:29:30,280
and I'll always have that and then
686
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,660
everything else that I bring is is icing
687
00:29:32,860 --> 00:29:35,040
on the cake what I bring to the style of
688
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,680
a particular movie is that initial
689
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,650
intuitive impulse of how a movie should
690
00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:46,180
feel and the tone style though I think
691
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:49,265
is so much besides the materials so much
692
00:29:49,465 --> 00:29:52,350
determined by the cinematographers life
693
00:29:52,550 --> 00:29:54,960
experiences and the things that
694
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,370
personally move the artist the
695
00:29:57,570 --> 00:30:00,095
cinematographer when you have an idea
696
00:30:00,295 --> 00:30:02,417
it's usually an idea of you've seen it
697
00:30:02,617 --> 00:30:05,663
you've heard it or you experienced it
698
00:30:05,863 --> 00:30:08,306
when I should movie even prep later in
699
00:30:08,506 --> 00:30:10,750
prep close to shooting I wake up at
700
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:12,995
night two o'clock three o clock at night
701
00:30:13,195 --> 00:30:15,240
with thoughts with good ideas the best
702
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,660
ideas coming to thirty of nights
703
00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:19,040
ideally you bring your life experience
704
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,850
to the process of making a movie at its
705
00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:24,290
best so you connect to it in a way that
706
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:27,205
you want your audience to it has to do
707
00:30:27,405 --> 00:30:29,742
with the art you see the photographs the
708
00:30:29,942 --> 00:30:32,031
paintings and so on the images on the
709
00:30:32,231 --> 00:30:34,120
street sometimes delight the way it
710
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,380
falls in certain places on buildings and
711
00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:38,110
so on
712
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:40,280
everything you've learned influences
713
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,145
what you do Raul Butare wonderful French
714
00:30:42,345 --> 00:30:44,010
Cameron talked about working with guitar
715
00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:45,705
and he said you don't know who this
716
00:30:45,905 --> 00:30:47,782
gentleman that walked through the door
717
00:30:47,982 --> 00:30:49,961
what is in his mind but the left side of
718
00:30:50,161 --> 00:30:51,980
the frame is striving for came from John
719
00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:53,905
Renoir silent film of the 20s and the
720
00:30:54,105 --> 00:30:56,007
right side is a poster he saw in the
721
00:30:56,207 --> 00:30:58,468
Metro that morning and I mean literally
722
00:30:58,668 --> 00:31:00,509
you find out what what is is creating
723
00:31:00,709 --> 00:31:02,550
the images in the directors head and how
724
00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:04,875
you translate those onto film but I
725
00:31:05,075 --> 00:31:07,792
think when you you're kind of looking
726
00:31:07,992 --> 00:31:10,496
for new ways to do things because you
727
00:31:10,696 --> 00:31:12,748
just don't want to be telling each story
728
00:31:12,948 --> 00:31:15,734
the same way that you've told the last
729
00:31:15,934 --> 00:31:18,037
so improvisation and imagination is
730
00:31:18,237 --> 00:31:20,140
really important I really like to
731
00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:22,500
research things have a clear idea what
732
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:23,680
I'm doing but then I also like to
733
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,660
respond to what happens you know at the
734
00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:29,785
moment I mean an actor can come in and
735
00:31:29,985 --> 00:31:32,710
their performance can so overpower
736
00:31:32,910 --> 00:31:35,510
something that you suddenly realize that
737
00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:38,800
what you imagined was an actor in you
738
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,420
know lost in a setting is suddenly a big
739
00:31:41,620 --> 00:31:43,540
close-up because the performance is so
740
00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:46,880
extraordinary I think you could always
741
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,645
arrive on a set or on a scene and sort
742
00:31:49,845 --> 00:31:51,912
of feel how it should be done and I
743
00:31:52,112 --> 00:31:54,171
think the doctor I like in even a
744
00:31:54,371 --> 00:31:56,430
shooting featuresnow if it looks good
745
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:57,540
the way it is and it's going to
746
00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:58,905
photograph good the way it is don't
747
00:31:59,105 --> 00:32:00,070
change it don't start changing it
748
00:32:00,270 --> 00:32:02,150
there's just so many factors along the
749
00:32:02,350 --> 00:32:05,020
way that affect you and you you know I
750
00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:08,150
mean it's to some extent it's it's like
751
00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:11,065
you know learning everything you can and
752
00:32:11,265 --> 00:32:13,467
being well rehearsed but then when it
753
00:32:13,667 --> 00:32:15,853
really comes down to it it's like jazz
754
00:32:16,053 --> 00:32:17,871
in the sense that you respond to the
755
00:32:18,071 --> 00:32:19,690
things and you haven't flow with
756
00:32:19,890 --> 00:32:22,340
everything as it as it evolves on the
757
00:32:22,540 --> 00:32:25,700
set on a day as a musician will find a
758
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:28,825
false in them that they can't really
759
00:32:29,025 --> 00:32:31,722
explain when they play or when they sing
760
00:32:31,922 --> 00:32:34,426
so so you can as a photographer and so
761
00:32:34,626 --> 00:32:37,263
you can as a cinematographer there is a
762
00:32:37,463 --> 00:32:40,021
there's an instinct I think that the
763
00:32:40,221 --> 00:32:42,975
visualization for me always came at the
764
00:32:43,175 --> 00:32:45,577
production meetings and the head banging
765
00:32:45,777 --> 00:32:48,180
that I would do with the director and
766
00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:49,330
the production designer your
767
00:32:49,530 --> 00:32:50,940
communication with your production
768
00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:51,820
designer is
769
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:53,675
so important because the production
770
00:32:53,875 --> 00:32:55,847
designer and the cinematographer are
771
00:32:56,047 --> 00:32:58,283
there working with the director to find
772
00:32:58,483 --> 00:33:00,431
that look to find the style of a film
773
00:33:00,631 --> 00:33:02,555
the production designer is also a very
774
00:33:02,755 --> 00:33:04,472
key person for me I spent a lot of time
775
00:33:04,672 --> 00:33:07,336
in the art department talking about
776
00:33:07,536 --> 00:33:09,653
color practical lighting if they could
777
00:33:09,853 --> 00:33:12,221
build that into the set I've generally
778
00:33:12,421 --> 00:33:14,450
been on the film earlier than I would
779
00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:16,570
get there they might have done all the
780
00:33:16,770 --> 00:33:18,605
surveys through foreign countries or
781
00:33:18,805 --> 00:33:20,732
they've already started to design
782
00:33:20,932 --> 00:33:22,846
sometimes in fact most times they've
783
00:33:23,046 --> 00:33:24,833
started to build sets so they're way
784
00:33:25,033 --> 00:33:26,996
ahead of you and and I've had the long
785
00:33:27,196 --> 00:33:29,160
talks with the director as to to how the
786
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,420
director wants that scene in that
787
00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:37,480
particular location to play and our
788
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,530
North Fork we wanted an almost black and
789
00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:41,890
white feeling and one of the keys was to
790
00:33:42,090 --> 00:33:44,030
get nothing in color in the frame so our
791
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:46,060
department in that film actually put
792
00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:47,780
great paint in the ketchup bottles and
793
00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:49,570
our diner scenes we covered all the
794
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:51,665
surfaces of the counters with great
795
00:33:51,865 --> 00:33:53,567
contact paper we even sewed a black and
796
00:33:53,767 --> 00:33:55,703
white American flag that was blowing in
797
00:33:55,903 --> 00:33:57,716
the wind and I actually got a call back
798
00:33:57,916 --> 00:33:59,443
from the lab asking me how I managed to
799
00:33:59,643 --> 00:34:01,176
get the color out of the American flag
800
00:34:01,376 --> 00:34:02,710
when I told them it was a black and
801
00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:05,405
white American flag against the blue sky
802
00:34:05,605 --> 00:34:07,622
so a lot of cannot can be done in camera
803
00:34:07,822 --> 00:34:09,525
in front of the camera by coordinating
804
00:34:09,725 --> 00:34:11,047
things with art department the key
805
00:34:11,247 --> 00:34:12,618
meeting was the first meeting we had
806
00:34:12,818 --> 00:34:14,190
with the production designer I had read
807
00:34:14,390 --> 00:34:15,809
the script I met Ed Wayne and the
808
00:34:16,009 --> 00:34:17,204
designer we said in a room we just
809
00:34:17,404 --> 00:34:19,252
looked at photo books and I brought
810
00:34:19,452 --> 00:34:21,070
similar photo books then the production
811
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:22,925
designer had brought in already and all
812
00:34:23,125 --> 00:34:25,427
the walls were pasted with his pictures
813
00:34:25,627 --> 00:34:27,593
and was very magazine and and I had my
814
00:34:27,793 --> 00:34:30,101
Ovitz and things like that and it was
815
00:34:30,301 --> 00:34:32,345
all about color and and how we see the
816
00:34:32,545 --> 00:34:34,590
South because the movie takes place in
817
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:37,060
my south and from that my concept
818
00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:39,410
evolved I mean it was a great starting
819
00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:41,289
point and it was always something I took
820
00:34:41,489 --> 00:34:43,324
a couple of pictures out of the books
821
00:34:43,524 --> 00:34:45,481
and always stuck them on my wall in the
822
00:34:45,681 --> 00:34:47,639
hotel that was my key thing that's the
823
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:49,274
first thing you're afraid of as a
824
00:34:49,474 --> 00:34:50,709
cinematographer you can shoot good
825
00:34:50,909 --> 00:34:53,734
pictures individually but you know what
826
00:34:53,934 --> 00:34:56,822
makes you think that as a whole it's
827
00:34:57,022 --> 00:35:00,166
gonna fall together into this this thing
828
00:35:00,366 --> 00:35:03,510
that you meant to be a movie you spend
829
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:04,030
you come
830
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:06,599
the look and then you spend three months
831
00:35:06,799 --> 00:35:09,194
doing that one look and then a year
832
00:35:09,394 --> 00:35:11,557
later you see how it worked when it's
833
00:35:11,757 --> 00:35:13,683
all cut together whereas in a commercial
834
00:35:13,883 --> 00:35:16,126
music video you he tries something for a
835
00:35:16,326 --> 00:35:18,338
day you see it two days later you know
836
00:35:18,538 --> 00:35:20,764
okay okay that was good let's try this
837
00:35:20,964 --> 00:35:22,990
and so you can you can grow really
838
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:26,780
quickly I think commercials have always
839
00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:29,980
sort of been the area that can allow us
840
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:32,825
to sort of experiment in commercials
841
00:35:33,025 --> 00:35:35,447
it's all about the cinematography that
842
00:35:35,647 --> 00:35:37,568
and the story is what grabs the people
843
00:35:37,768 --> 00:35:40,294
in the first five seconds you've got 30
844
00:35:40,494 --> 00:35:43,917
seconds to tell a story I learned a lot
845
00:35:44,117 --> 00:35:47,540
about shooting via commercials because
846
00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:49,659
there was so much technique in
847
00:35:49,859 --> 00:35:52,309
commercials and so much gear and so much
848
00:35:52,509 --> 00:35:54,534
stuff that you could draw on to learn
849
00:35:54,734 --> 00:35:56,561
things that I learned a lot it was a
850
00:35:56,761 --> 00:35:58,389
great place to begin a career in
851
00:35:58,589 --> 00:36:01,324
cinematography because we were studying
852
00:36:01,524 --> 00:36:04,260
for myself I studied and learned quite a
853
00:36:04,460 --> 00:36:05,320
bit of different technique and was
854
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,834
always trying to look for the new thing
855
00:36:08,034 --> 00:36:10,187
so it gave me a broad quiver of things
856
00:36:10,387 --> 00:36:12,398
to experiment with the things I've
857
00:36:12,598 --> 00:36:15,108
stumbled onto in terms of a look has
858
00:36:15,308 --> 00:36:17,439
come out of ignorance and I mean naivete
859
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:20,149
and making like horrible mistakes and
860
00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:22,629
then going actually it looks kind of
861
00:36:22,829 --> 00:36:25,489
cool it's kind of interesting and then
862
00:36:25,689 --> 00:36:28,349
if you're smart or at least if you're
863
00:36:28,549 --> 00:36:29,080
paying attention
864
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,670
you let great accidents happen I love
865
00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:33,805
what Connie hole used to call happy
866
00:36:34,005 --> 00:36:35,727
accidents you know you're in a set and
867
00:36:35,927 --> 00:36:37,948
suddenly the light starts flashing
868
00:36:38,148 --> 00:36:40,170
through a window and even even if you
869
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:41,470
don't use that natural light you
870
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:43,399
suddenly think well that's it I didn't
871
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,174
think of that so you maybe cut that
872
00:36:45,374 --> 00:36:46,950
light off and put a lamp to do exactly
873
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:48,520
the same thing so you can have
874
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,840
consistency all cinematographers take
875
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,469
credit for wonderful happy accidents
876
00:36:53,669 --> 00:36:56,099
along the way and you know I'm certainly
877
00:36:56,299 --> 00:36:57,940
one of them where you know the the
878
00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:00,620
clouds come in and you know the light is
879
00:37:00,820 --> 00:37:03,040
amazing for a brief period of time or
880
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,059
suddenly the clouds are blowing over I'm
881
00:37:05,259 --> 00:37:07,194
just looking at this little dapple of
882
00:37:07,394 --> 00:37:09,822
light on my shoulder here and reminds me
883
00:37:10,022 --> 00:37:12,606
of Conrad Hall who was the master of the
884
00:37:12,806 --> 00:37:15,390
found accident and capitalized er or if
885
00:37:15,590 --> 00:37:16,690
you there's such a word
886
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:19,310
and who capitalizes on those discoveries
887
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:21,475
always awake for them Conrad who was
888
00:37:21,675 --> 00:37:23,457
great on this he was great on this I
889
00:37:23,657 --> 00:37:26,248
said you know he sometimes he really
890
00:37:26,448 --> 00:37:28,844
want his films to look ugly to capture
891
00:37:29,044 --> 00:37:31,087
something that we don't really that we
892
00:37:31,287 --> 00:37:33,288
normally shy away from him in making
893
00:37:33,488 --> 00:37:35,319
movies you know you ugliness can have a
894
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,249
certain beauty as well it's a strange
895
00:37:37,449 --> 00:37:39,399
sort of dichotomy going on there really
896
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:41,449
it's symbiotic and it really works hand
897
00:37:41,649 --> 00:37:43,974
in hand I mean there's certain kind of
898
00:37:44,174 --> 00:37:46,482
film it's definitely affected by the
899
00:37:46,682 --> 00:37:49,536
tone of the film the light the shadows
900
00:37:49,736 --> 00:37:52,263
the color how how the camera moves when
901
00:37:52,463 --> 00:37:54,811
it moves the moment that an actor turns
902
00:37:55,011 --> 00:37:57,390
its head and you just pan slightly to
903
00:37:57,590 --> 00:38:00,210
the left to just catch that gaze and to
904
00:38:00,410 --> 00:38:02,625
frame it in a certain way that I think
905
00:38:02,825 --> 00:38:05,212
evokes a certain kind of emotion there's
906
00:38:05,412 --> 00:38:08,531
a spirit in each cinematographers work
907
00:38:08,731 --> 00:38:11,555
that's not comparable to any others you
908
00:38:11,755 --> 00:38:14,102
see the techniques appear to be the same
909
00:38:14,302 --> 00:38:16,650
you see the same approaches in lighting
910
00:38:16,850 --> 00:38:19,605
you see what you can do with the
911
00:38:19,805 --> 00:38:22,822
materials at hand but there there's
912
00:38:23,022 --> 00:38:25,436
always an ineffable quality in the
913
00:38:25,636 --> 00:38:28,738
actual film when it comes out of
914
00:38:28,938 --> 00:38:31,169
processing or onto the avid that is
915
00:38:31,369 --> 00:38:33,400
almost indescribable there is a
916
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,050
definable style that's going through
917
00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:38,440
most of my movies I mean it's applied
918
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,370
differently I mean I do a lot of the
919
00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:42,970
same things but it's applied differently
920
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:45,470
and I mean I don't mind saying that it's
921
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:48,955
it's you know and I don't the trick is
922
00:38:49,155 --> 00:38:52,962
to integrate your visual decisions with
923
00:38:53,162 --> 00:38:55,866
the movie with the story and you can
924
00:38:56,066 --> 00:38:58,188
have both I mean you can have a good
925
00:38:58,388 --> 00:39:00,669
movie with good visuals I mean that's
926
00:39:00,869 --> 00:39:02,749
the best movie you know good content
927
00:39:02,949 --> 00:39:04,824
good visual structure you know I think
928
00:39:05,024 --> 00:39:06,952
it's very important that the style of
929
00:39:07,152 --> 00:39:09,596
the film be as transparent as possible
930
00:39:09,796 --> 00:39:11,683
now I'm saying that having done movies
931
00:39:11,883 --> 00:39:13,896
like the rocker we're getting in Ferrara
932
00:39:14,096 --> 00:39:16,008
which are almost all style but that's
933
00:39:16,208 --> 00:39:18,144
what really those movies were about
934
00:39:18,344 --> 00:39:20,007
because in those cases if you ever
935
00:39:20,207 --> 00:39:22,363
stopped long enough to figure out that
936
00:39:22,563 --> 00:39:24,201
an oil driller was on an asteroid and he
937
00:39:24,401 --> 00:39:25,825
was gonna blow it up with a nuclear bomb
938
00:39:26,025 --> 00:39:27,762
you probably would have left the theater
939
00:39:27,962 --> 00:39:29,700
so the idea was to keep the to keep it
940
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:30,670
visual into
941
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:32,915
to make it exciting for an audience and
942
00:39:33,115 --> 00:39:34,937
that and that was the goal of a picture
943
00:39:35,137 --> 00:39:37,403
like that and we knew it going in I'm
944
00:39:37,603 --> 00:39:39,431
not demeaning the work it was just of we
945
00:39:39,631 --> 00:39:41,825
were we were meeting a different set of
946
00:39:42,025 --> 00:39:43,772
needs for a picture like that then then
947
00:39:43,972 --> 00:39:45,676
I was on a picture like Seabiscuit where
948
00:39:45,876 --> 00:39:48,743
it was really very emotional and very
949
00:39:48,943 --> 00:39:52,656
moving and I didn't want my work to get
950
00:39:52,856 --> 00:39:56,570
in the way of the story the matrix was
951
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:59,380
influenced almost entirely by the light
952
00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:02,615
yes believe it or not as interpreted by
953
00:40:02,815 --> 00:40:05,312
filmmakers in in the 60s so after they
954
00:40:05,512 --> 00:40:08,801
discovered this great emotion like blue
955
00:40:09,001 --> 00:40:12,290
in Paris in the conformist I felt that I
956
00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:14,920
need to discover him a deeper the
957
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,350
possibility of this vibration do
958
00:40:17,550 --> 00:40:20,705
discolor so many other movie that and
959
00:40:20,905 --> 00:40:24,152
after the confirm is sever one I tried
960
00:40:24,352 --> 00:40:27,031
to use this color to investigating the
961
00:40:27,231 --> 00:40:30,255
possibility of this color till they get
962
00:40:30,455 --> 00:40:32,752
in a Last Tango in Paris and I remember
963
00:40:32,952 --> 00:40:35,921
that was going to see Bernardo every
964
00:40:36,121 --> 00:40:39,470
weekend in Paris and I was so astonished
965
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:42,760
about the chance the Paris a city in
966
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,145
winter of all the lights on was alike a
967
00:40:46,345 --> 00:40:49,127
city light in their Tavitian light when
968
00:40:49,327 --> 00:40:51,833
he's on during the daytime as a kind of
969
00:40:52,033 --> 00:40:54,401
conflict between the artificial energy
970
00:40:54,601 --> 00:40:56,970
international energy it was give me the
971
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:58,960
feeling totally different almost
972
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,640
opposite complimentary of the blue of
973
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,315
the rest of the conformist in orange
974
00:41:04,515 --> 00:41:07,167
like the warm feeling the kind of womb
975
00:41:07,367 --> 00:41:09,688
of the mother or the city of Paris there
976
00:41:09,888 --> 00:41:12,179
was been bracing ourselves when I was
977
00:41:12,379 --> 00:41:14,714
thinking about the Godfather both one
978
00:41:14,914 --> 00:41:16,807
and here at the time I it was about 20
979
00:41:17,007 --> 00:41:18,543
minutes before we started the movie that
980
00:41:18,743 --> 00:41:21,616
I finally decided what it should look
981
00:41:21,816 --> 00:41:24,490
like and the feeling of how a film
982
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:26,885
should look really comes out of you and
983
00:41:27,085 --> 00:41:29,192
I can't tell you why I decided that I
984
00:41:29,392 --> 00:41:32,761
said was it should be kind of dirty and
985
00:41:32,961 --> 00:41:35,535
streaked and should be brassy yellow and
986
00:41:35,735 --> 00:41:38,310
if somebody said why did you decide that
987
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:40,390
I was how to say I have no idea
988
00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:43,200
it felt like it should be that way I
989
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,220
almost wonder if
990
00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:46,840
the Godfather would look the way it does
991
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,214
if somebody had sat on the set with a
992
00:41:49,414 --> 00:41:51,467
video monitor and looked at what was
993
00:41:51,667 --> 00:41:53,328
going to come out on the screen they
994
00:41:53,528 --> 00:41:55,354
would everybody would have chickened out
995
00:41:55,554 --> 00:41:56,907
and that's a problem I think there were
996
00:41:57,107 --> 00:41:58,463
people who felt that way and there are
997
00:41:58,663 --> 00:42:00,471
other people that felt at god almighty I
998
00:42:00,671 --> 00:42:03,845
don't want to hire him look what will
999
00:42:04,045 --> 00:42:07,220
happen so yes yeah I got for Gangs of
1000
00:42:07,420 --> 00:42:07,680
New York
1001
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,239
I got influenced a little by Reverend I
1002
00:42:10,439 --> 00:42:12,554
must say because Marty gave me a book
1003
00:42:12,754 --> 00:42:15,242
about Raymond which is but the best book
1004
00:42:15,442 --> 00:42:18,130
that came out about Rembrandt and his
1005
00:42:18,330 --> 00:42:20,685
way of shadows and darkness and people
1006
00:42:20,885 --> 00:42:23,177
being in the shade and people being in
1007
00:42:23,377 --> 00:42:27,033
the bright light also the simplicity of
1008
00:42:27,233 --> 00:42:30,161
of the lighting was influential on the
1009
00:42:30,361 --> 00:42:32,835
way I tried to light Gangs of New York
1010
00:42:33,035 --> 00:42:35,252
well st. Elmo's fire because that was a
1011
00:42:35,452 --> 00:42:37,765
that was the ensemble picture you had
1012
00:42:37,965 --> 00:42:40,762
five or six kids and there was a lot of
1013
00:42:40,962 --> 00:42:44,315
rapid-fire dialogue and I thought it
1014
00:42:44,515 --> 00:42:47,307
would be more interesting to always have
1015
00:42:47,507 --> 00:42:50,183
it in the group so be shot in scope so
1016
00:42:50,383 --> 00:42:52,821
you could fit five people across the
1017
00:42:53,021 --> 00:42:55,115
frame everybody would be you know like a
1018
00:42:55,315 --> 00:42:57,327
waist figure so you'd see them very well
1019
00:42:57,527 --> 00:42:59,558
and they all the more good actors it was
1020
00:42:59,758 --> 00:43:01,948
good dialogue and they can just spit
1021
00:43:02,148 --> 00:43:05,243
that stuff out like crazy I think it's
1022
00:43:05,443 --> 00:43:08,091
more interesting to see actors take
1023
00:43:08,291 --> 00:43:10,800
their paces off of each other than have
1024
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,720
it forced by the cutting deliverance
1025
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,384
they decided that it has to have a very
1026
00:43:17,584 --> 00:43:21,192
real look if it will actually more real
1027
00:43:21,392 --> 00:43:25,245
than reality is that's why we decided to
1028
00:43:25,445 --> 00:43:29,299
shoot the movie sharp but we decided to
1029
00:43:29,499 --> 00:43:32,730
do this saturation of images
1030
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:35,390
I'd say the New York look probably was I
1031
00:43:35,590 --> 00:43:36,780
think it's one of the things that I
1032
00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:39,385
started with the French Connection which
1033
00:43:39,585 --> 00:43:42,187
was more of a realistic quality or of a
1034
00:43:42,387 --> 00:43:45,583
little low-key grainy dingy quality to
1035
00:43:45,783 --> 00:43:48,376
it not documentary totally but verging
1036
00:43:48,576 --> 00:43:51,170
on the on the edge of it there are
1037
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:53,190
certain definite
1038
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:55,330
appearances that when you shoot in New
1039
00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:57,375
York you do get a different kind of a
1040
00:43:57,575 --> 00:43:59,177
look all told we worked in the streets
1041
00:43:59,377 --> 00:44:01,068
we worked at night and we just had him
1042
00:44:01,268 --> 00:44:02,760
get those pictures and we had very
1043
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,689
little lighting with which to do it but
1044
00:44:04,889 --> 00:44:07,889
at that time what it was was single
1045
00:44:08,089 --> 00:44:10,269
source no feel a soft light kind of a
1046
00:44:10,469 --> 00:44:12,344
look that came from still photography
1047
00:44:12,544 --> 00:44:14,612
basically the buildings are very dense
1048
00:44:14,812 --> 00:44:16,480
population densities very big and you've
1049
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,524
got high buildings so you've got a lot
1050
00:44:18,724 --> 00:44:20,657
of shadow and contrasting light that's I
1051
00:44:20,857 --> 00:44:23,763
think another distinction about New York
1052
00:44:23,963 --> 00:44:26,216
is people walk in and out of very hot
1053
00:44:26,416 --> 00:44:28,973
bright source of light and then into
1054
00:44:29,173 --> 00:44:30,861
very deep shadows and there's one thing
1055
00:44:31,061 --> 00:44:32,720
I've always noticed I find interesting
1056
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,475
is multiple reflections in New York
1057
00:44:34,675 --> 00:44:36,927
because as the Sun kicks off of a
1058
00:44:37,127 --> 00:44:39,503
variety of glass window buildings you
1059
00:44:39,703 --> 00:44:41,691
can have this very artificial light you
1060
00:44:41,891 --> 00:44:43,880
don't have to do much to make it look
1061
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,159
good
1062
00:44:44,359 --> 00:44:46,629
you know you don't have to build
1063
00:44:46,829 --> 00:44:48,899
anything visually to make New York
1064
00:44:49,099 --> 00:44:51,144
interesting again you know you choose to
1065
00:44:51,344 --> 00:44:53,017
shoot this you choose to shoot that you
1066
00:44:53,217 --> 00:44:55,408
put them together and you've got a good
1067
00:44:55,608 --> 00:44:58,118
New York when we talk about style we
1068
00:44:58,318 --> 00:45:01,169
also talk about personal improvising
1069
00:45:01,369 --> 00:45:04,020
with to fit the vision that we're
1070
00:45:04,220 --> 00:45:06,444
thinking of within the equipment and the
1071
00:45:06,644 --> 00:45:10,057
time we've got a sometime style comes
1072
00:45:10,257 --> 00:45:13,108
out of pure necessity or desperation
1073
00:45:13,308 --> 00:45:15,774
case in point in the 60s and 70s with
1074
00:45:15,974 --> 00:45:17,887
the new lightweight cameras you had
1075
00:45:18,087 --> 00:45:19,813
directors who wanted to take those
1076
00:45:20,013 --> 00:45:21,740
cameras on the road stick them in cars
1077
00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:24,869
put them in bathrooms and so as
1078
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:26,859
technology evolves and we have equipment
1079
00:45:27,059 --> 00:45:29,084
that's light or easier to shoot with
1080
00:45:29,284 --> 00:45:31,307
faster you're going to see experimental
1081
00:45:31,507 --> 00:45:33,093
shooting with it of people who want to
1082
00:45:33,293 --> 00:45:35,891
take it to the edge and see what it's
1083
00:45:36,091 --> 00:45:38,690
capable of there is a story behind Easy
1084
00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:39,210
Rider
1085
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:42,100
there's about three four five years
1086
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:45,375
until we got to that point you know we
1087
00:45:45,575 --> 00:45:48,647
are very fluid in making low-budget
1088
00:45:48,847 --> 00:45:51,858
films and we knew how to do it we knew
1089
00:45:52,058 --> 00:45:54,409
how to do it do a movie just enough
1090
00:45:54,609 --> 00:45:58,039
equipment putting into a station wagon
1091
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,009
and that was it we didn't need trucks we
1092
00:46:01,209 --> 00:46:03,859
didn't need generators we couldn't even
1093
00:46:04,059 --> 00:46:06,499
think of it we were always dreaming
1094
00:46:06,699 --> 00:46:09,919
but you know all these great equipment
1095
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:13,609
we could have and but you know we made
1096
00:46:13,809 --> 00:46:17,344
this work for us we made the stories you
1097
00:46:17,544 --> 00:46:20,351
know of fit what we can do in the same
1098
00:46:20,551 --> 00:46:22,920
way the equipment fit the stories also
1099
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,120
let's take it back to the cinema build
1100
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,525
the equipment that went into this truck
1101
00:46:27,725 --> 00:46:30,347
it was a Ford Econoline truck very very
1102
00:46:30,547 --> 00:46:33,170
small we didn't have Mitchell cameras we
1103
00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:35,780
had blimp there flexes which were
1104
00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:38,819
smaller we use color Tran lamps which
1105
00:46:39,019 --> 00:46:42,144
was all quartz lights no phenols on him
1106
00:46:42,344 --> 00:46:44,767
so it was a hard light that you couldn't
1107
00:46:44,967 --> 00:46:47,698
cut with flags cuz it didn't have the
1108
00:46:47,898 --> 00:46:50,739
lens in front so you bounced the lights
1109
00:46:50,939 --> 00:46:53,780
instead so you know a style evolved from
1110
00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:57,020
having very little equipment and by
1111
00:46:57,220 --> 00:46:59,585
necessity basically if you can think of
1112
00:46:59,785 --> 00:47:03,102
a quick way of doing it the cheap way
1113
00:47:03,302 --> 00:47:06,031
that still works it saves a lot of money
1114
00:47:06,231 --> 00:47:08,675
in time and you're not scared of doing
1115
00:47:08,875 --> 00:47:11,982
the Black Stallion is really very much
1116
00:47:12,182 --> 00:47:14,971
really came out of the style of really
1117
00:47:15,171 --> 00:47:17,560
educational documentary films at both
1118
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,650
Carroll Ballard and I really came out of
1119
00:47:19,850 --> 00:47:22,735
because we both had worked together on
1120
00:47:22,935 --> 00:47:25,820
some educational films and you know what
1121
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:28,110
Carroll really does you know his
1122
00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:31,165
directing style is to set up a scene as
1123
00:47:31,365 --> 00:47:33,652
if it's really happening and then you
1124
00:47:33,852 --> 00:47:35,976
photograph it as if you were making a
1125
00:47:36,176 --> 00:47:38,248
documentary of that scene chasing the
1126
00:47:38,448 --> 00:47:42,053
situations in your documentary allows
1127
00:47:42,253 --> 00:47:44,946
you to to develop a style in camera as a
1128
00:47:45,146 --> 00:47:47,668
documentary filmmaker you're hyper aware
1129
00:47:47,868 --> 00:47:50,018
of the location where you are because
1130
00:47:50,218 --> 00:47:52,409
that's how you have to have to work with
1131
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:55,149
the documentaries I did was so very kind
1132
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:57,539
of Verret a you know we would go you
1133
00:47:57,739 --> 00:47:59,919
know some you know film a tribe in
1134
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,174
Africa or film a war zone and you kind
1135
00:48:02,374 --> 00:48:04,157
of make up the movie that make up the
1136
00:48:04,357 --> 00:48:06,108
film and what you were trying to say as
1137
00:48:06,308 --> 00:48:08,374
it almost as a journalist exploring the
1138
00:48:08,574 --> 00:48:10,640
subject but often documentaries are
1139
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,330
emulated by fiction films
1140
00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:16,910
and and now you find documentaries doing
1141
00:48:17,110 --> 00:48:20,080
recreations and then creating their own
1142
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,250
fictional sequences within a documentary
1143
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:25,740
so I think both schools inform each
1144
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:27,840
other if you worked on a lot of
1145
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,835
documentaries you already know how
1146
00:48:30,035 --> 00:48:31,447
people walk you know how they talk you
1147
00:48:31,647 --> 00:48:33,243
know that when they're making dinner
1148
00:48:33,443 --> 00:48:35,206
they're not standing there looking at
1149
00:48:35,406 --> 00:48:37,118
each other ones over here ones over here
1150
00:48:37,318 --> 00:48:39,334
they're of speaking over their shoulder
1151
00:48:39,534 --> 00:48:41,837
sometimes their silence and it's a great
1152
00:48:42,037 --> 00:48:44,438
training ground for shooting narratives
1153
00:48:44,638 --> 00:48:46,804
and seeing what is available light you
1154
00:48:47,004 --> 00:48:49,277
know where does the light come from what
1155
00:48:49,477 --> 00:48:51,638
makes a Japanese restaurant beautiful
1156
00:48:51,838 --> 00:48:54,364
and a Chinese restaurant not quite so
1157
00:48:54,564 --> 00:48:57,477
pretty if the lighting Hollywood I think
1158
00:48:57,677 --> 00:49:00,193
I found out as always that is cool of
1159
00:49:00,393 --> 00:49:03,576
keeping in touch with an audience and
1160
00:49:03,776 --> 00:49:06,813
this has happened not only and this is
1161
00:49:07,013 --> 00:49:10,471
carried itself also into the language of
1162
00:49:10,671 --> 00:49:13,785
filmmaking the shots are made in a way
1163
00:49:13,985 --> 00:49:16,717
that they don't make the movies no you
1164
00:49:16,917 --> 00:49:19,450
know from car to car as opposed to
1165
00:49:19,650 --> 00:49:22,140
having it slower kind of pace generally
1166
00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:24,830
use of European pictures I shot uprising
1167
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:27,190
which was a miniseries for NBC
1168
00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:31,970
three years ago three or four years ago
1169
00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:35,530
and when it was shown here people were
1170
00:49:35,730 --> 00:49:39,090
thinking that it was very European in
1171
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:42,240
the my work you know cold colors
1172
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,790
contrast the contrast I'm not sure such
1173
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:47,430
2d saturated tones and all that and then
1174
00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:51,000
I I screen it for my colleagues at the
1175
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,735
AFC in Paris and they for them it was so
1176
00:49:54,935 --> 00:49:57,952
Hollywood thinking okay I mean I'm in
1177
00:49:58,152 --> 00:50:02,216
the middle of the ocean with really one
1178
00:50:02,416 --> 00:50:05,698
foot in and after X years Here I am you
1179
00:50:05,898 --> 00:50:08,384
know not completely American and not
1180
00:50:08,584 --> 00:50:10,477
anymore completely European I think
1181
00:50:10,677 --> 00:50:12,078
Americans are getting very brave with
1182
00:50:12,278 --> 00:50:14,319
their style I think the thing about
1183
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:16,474
European films is that you don't have
1184
00:50:16,674 --> 00:50:18,857
Studios leaning down so heavily on you
1185
00:50:19,057 --> 00:50:20,768
and execs worrying about their job and
1186
00:50:20,968 --> 00:50:23,269
worrying about which way it should be
1187
00:50:23,469 --> 00:50:25,770
made so the filmmakers they trust the
1188
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:26,359
film
1189
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:28,169
to make a good job I never did anything
1190
00:50:28,369 --> 00:50:30,619
that to be doing I just didn't because I
1191
00:50:30,819 --> 00:50:33,209
liked it and it kind of caused a riot a
1192
00:50:33,409 --> 00:50:35,869
couple of times in certain studios and
1193
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:38,529
they were very upset but I didn't I said
1194
00:50:38,729 --> 00:50:39,770
wow this is it
1195
00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:43,890
and continued well that helped other
1196
00:50:44,090 --> 00:50:46,879
people do things possibly in it but a
1197
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:50,024
long time took him a long time before
1198
00:50:50,224 --> 00:50:52,587
they would shoot with one light or no
1199
00:50:52,787 --> 00:50:55,353
light or against the window or this or
1200
00:50:55,553 --> 00:50:57,711
that but it's it's something that I
1201
00:50:57,911 --> 00:51:00,060
enjoy doing I never think about it I
1202
00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:02,584
just think about applying it but I never
1203
00:51:02,784 --> 00:51:07,326
think about I can't do this or I can't I
1204
00:51:07,526 --> 00:51:11,603
don't we can put the light over here we
1205
00:51:11,803 --> 00:51:15,316
can put here we can put here we can put
1206
00:51:15,516 --> 00:51:19,029
here we can put just in front or in the
1207
00:51:19,229 --> 00:51:23,094
back change completely in the way
1208
00:51:23,294 --> 00:51:27,137
they've any cinematographer is using
1209
00:51:27,337 --> 00:51:30,913
these kind of lights can tell really a
1210
00:51:31,113 --> 00:51:34,690
story can rightly light you walk on a
1211
00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:34,970
set
1212
00:51:35,170 --> 00:51:37,860
it's absolutely black absolutely black
1213
00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:40,280
and you strike your first light for what
1214
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,335
you're gonna do and that becomes your
1215
00:51:43,535 --> 00:51:46,390
first brushstroke and then you add other
1216
00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:47,754
brushstrokes all the way through at
1217
00:51:47,954 --> 00:51:49,127
different lights and so for like that
1218
00:51:49,327 --> 00:51:50,848
you come out with your complete picture
1219
00:51:51,048 --> 00:51:52,569
and then you look at it and say okay
1220
00:51:52,769 --> 00:51:53,000
let's do it
1221
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,110
my welcome to a dark stage you say I
1222
00:51:55,310 --> 00:51:57,020
turn on one light and I've usually this
1223
00:51:57,220 --> 00:51:58,995
light hopefully it's been there before I
1224
00:51:59,195 --> 00:52:00,597
put it there earlier because I hopefully
1225
00:52:00,797 --> 00:52:03,543
know where the lights coming from in the
1226
00:52:03,743 --> 00:52:06,490
scene but and then I decide what what
1227
00:52:06,690 --> 00:52:08,119
does that look like and that's
1228
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:09,749
theoretically the light that's coming in
1229
00:52:09,949 --> 00:52:11,434
the window or the light that's coming
1230
00:52:11,634 --> 00:52:12,919
from the main lamp in the room or
1231
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:14,909
something and I'll start with that and
1232
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:17,089
the other lights also should be in place
1233
00:52:17,289 --> 00:52:18,959
then I'll turn them on I like I don't
1234
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:20,914
turn on all the lights at once you see I
1235
00:52:21,114 --> 00:52:22,822
turn them on one at a time and then I
1236
00:52:23,022 --> 00:52:24,730
start turning them off again usually
1237
00:52:24,930 --> 00:52:26,970
when I show up on a set and
1238
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:30,880
get ready to shoot I've already lit the
1239
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,989
set in my head I mean my favorite thing
1240
00:52:34,189 --> 00:52:37,099
and and using light for instance I like
1241
00:52:37,299 --> 00:52:39,484
relativity I like light too dark
1242
00:52:39,684 --> 00:52:41,322
you know big to small and a favorite
1243
00:52:41,522 --> 00:52:42,960
kind of thing is you have somebody
1244
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,985
standing by a window talking to somebody
1245
00:52:46,185 --> 00:52:48,247
who's standing in the corner and someone
1246
00:52:48,447 --> 00:52:50,503
standing in the corner is in the dark
1247
00:52:50,703 --> 00:52:52,651
you know so you're cutting from the sky
1248
00:52:52,851 --> 00:52:54,325
the window talking to this girl was
1249
00:52:54,525 --> 00:52:55,800
standing in the corner and the dark
1250
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,574
there are three things that lighting has
1251
00:52:59,774 --> 00:53:02,777
to do it has to provide for sufficient
1252
00:53:02,977 --> 00:53:05,403
illumination to record the image on film
1253
00:53:05,603 --> 00:53:07,961
it has to make up for the difference in
1254
00:53:08,161 --> 00:53:10,620
contrast between our eye and the film
1255
00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:13,015
and it has to enhance the illusion of
1256
00:53:13,215 --> 00:53:15,457
third dimension and a two-dimensional
1257
00:53:15,657 --> 00:53:17,900
medium okay well that's what hazarded
1258
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:20,159
what it can do it can affect you
1259
00:53:20,359 --> 00:53:22,959
emotionally it can help tell the story
1260
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:25,274
you have to know what story you're
1261
00:53:25,474 --> 00:53:27,571
telling before you even start to think
1262
00:53:27,771 --> 00:53:29,869
about how you light it and you have to
1263
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:31,230
think about whether you want the
1264
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:33,220
audience to see everything clearly or
1265
00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:34,815
whether you want to hold it back of it
1266
00:53:35,015 --> 00:53:36,632
from the audience whether you want to
1267
00:53:36,832 --> 00:53:38,725
throw the actors into a little bit of
1268
00:53:38,925 --> 00:53:41,797
shadow not adding but taking away is
1269
00:53:41,997 --> 00:53:44,638
better always know but I don't know it's
1270
00:53:44,838 --> 00:53:47,123
like somebody something's not working
1271
00:53:47,323 --> 00:53:49,071
so another sandbag in the boat because
1272
00:53:49,271 --> 00:53:50,660
it's listing you know and they keep
1273
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:52,369
throwing sanding apparently the whole
1274
00:53:52,569 --> 00:53:54,109
boat sinks you know you know don't put
1275
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:56,074
any more you take away usually when
1276
00:53:56,274 --> 00:53:57,840
something doesn't work it's because
1277
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,775
you're doing too much or you've made the
1278
00:54:00,975 --> 00:54:03,457
wrong choice I remember when I first
1279
00:54:03,657 --> 00:54:05,803
first started as a cinematographer the
1280
00:54:06,003 --> 00:54:08,356
first thing I was into us is there
1281
00:54:08,556 --> 00:54:11,658
enough light so I light and he said
1282
00:54:11,858 --> 00:54:16,054
bodoni it's flat and suddenly it opened
1283
00:54:16,254 --> 00:54:20,262
my mind ah light can be flat or not flat
1284
00:54:20,462 --> 00:54:24,586
and clearly flat is not good a film is
1285
00:54:24,786 --> 00:54:27,888
like like in my tennis days my coach
1286
00:54:28,088 --> 00:54:30,123
would you know where people say keep
1287
00:54:30,323 --> 00:54:31,931
your eye on the ball well that's pretty
1288
00:54:32,131 --> 00:54:34,230
easy to say keep your eye on the ball
1289
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:36,159
but I had one coach that said keep your
1290
00:54:36,359 --> 00:54:38,234
eye on a certain part of the ball he put
1291
00:54:38,434 --> 00:54:40,310
a face on the ball two eyes a nose and a
1292
00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:41,030
mouth
1293
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:43,455
and when you in two ears and if you hit
1294
00:54:43,655 --> 00:54:45,680
right on the nose it just goes flat
1295
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,430
if you hit underneath anyway so it's not
1296
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:49,505
a question to keep your eye on the ball
1297
00:54:49,705 --> 00:54:51,217
it's it's question was the part of the
1298
00:54:51,417 --> 00:54:52,823
ball that's same thing with the screen
1299
00:54:53,023 --> 00:54:54,766
when you look at the screen you have
1300
00:54:54,966 --> 00:54:56,278
your imagery it's not just to look at
1301
00:54:56,478 --> 00:54:57,934
the screen you've got to make the
1302
00:54:58,134 --> 00:54:59,857
audience look at some part of that
1303
00:55:00,057 --> 00:55:02,333
screen that's important where the
1304
00:55:02,533 --> 00:55:04,831
dialogue is going on and so it's
1305
00:55:05,031 --> 00:55:07,535
precision in a sense it's precision
1306
00:55:07,735 --> 00:55:10,597
lighting rule of thumb if I'm lighting
1307
00:55:10,797 --> 00:55:14,243
for several actresses in in a large
1308
00:55:14,443 --> 00:55:17,416
spaces to go with to 12 by 12 layers of
1309
00:55:17,616 --> 00:55:20,038
full or half grid and then maybe a four
1310
00:55:20,238 --> 00:55:23,524
by four layer of to sixteen and in front
1311
00:55:23,724 --> 00:55:27,247
of a large light and start there and
1312
00:55:27,447 --> 00:55:30,770
then but what's very important is
1313
00:55:30,970 --> 00:55:32,890
exactly the direction that that light is
1314
00:55:33,090 --> 00:55:35,470
coming from even though it may be a
1315
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:37,794
large soft source the difference of a
1316
00:55:37,994 --> 00:55:39,677
foot or two either closer to the camera
1317
00:55:39,877 --> 00:55:41,353
away from the camera could make all the
1318
00:55:41,553 --> 00:55:42,971
difference in the world and that's the
1319
00:55:43,171 --> 00:55:44,440
thing you have to you have to really
1320
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,710
look at the scene how it's being
1321
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:47,895
rehearsed and go wow this is great for
1322
00:55:48,095 --> 00:55:50,382
this actress when she's looking this way
1323
00:55:50,582 --> 00:55:52,869
but when we come around or she turns
1324
00:55:53,069 --> 00:55:54,680
this way we run into trouble I
1325
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,375
personally don't like the soft lighting
1326
00:55:57,575 --> 00:56:00,522
too much because many many times it gets
1327
00:56:00,722 --> 00:56:03,611
boring actually for me it's it I mean I
1328
00:56:03,811 --> 00:56:06,385
study a lot of paintings from the Dutch
1329
00:56:06,585 --> 00:56:08,747
painters and all that they hardly ever
1330
00:56:08,947 --> 00:56:10,888
used actually soft light actually they
1331
00:56:11,088 --> 00:56:13,030
used a lot of the election light which I
1332
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:15,745
love to use backlight was used in
1333
00:56:15,945 --> 00:56:18,460
painting for centuries but on film it
1334
00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:19,880
had been in the silent days the
1335
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,755
characteristic of just using front front
1336
00:56:22,955 --> 00:56:25,437
light soft light all all direct front
1337
00:56:25,637 --> 00:56:29,223
light and Mary Pickford was photographed
1338
00:56:29,423 --> 00:56:32,271
by I think Billie Bitzer at a at a lunch
1339
00:56:32,471 --> 00:56:35,325
break in back light with her curls of
1340
00:56:35,525 --> 00:56:38,262
flame and that came up with dailies and
1341
00:56:38,462 --> 00:56:40,871
it changed history I think that a single
1342
00:56:41,071 --> 00:56:43,960
gesture coming from a single side is
1343
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,320
powerful if you put a light on the other
1344
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,425
side it weakens it now the force of that
1345
00:56:50,625 --> 00:56:53,530
light is not as strong so this is a what
1346
00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:54,740
we call a flag
1347
00:56:54,940 --> 00:56:57,269
and if we were on a set we would do
1348
00:56:57,469 --> 00:56:59,974
something like try to bring in an a
1349
00:57:00,174 --> 00:57:02,680
black flag that would take away some of
1350
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,869
the light so we're not completely
1351
00:57:05,069 --> 00:57:06,859
surrounded by light from several
1352
00:57:07,059 --> 00:57:09,929
directions we try to bring it from one
1353
00:57:10,129 --> 00:57:14,569
direction and that gives us a sense of
1354
00:57:14,769 --> 00:57:18,404
richness and and texture and a mood as
1355
00:57:18,604 --> 00:57:22,356
opposed to what that looks like I think
1356
00:57:22,556 --> 00:57:26,318
as a look I think good cinematographers
1357
00:57:26,518 --> 00:57:30,280
don't really use light actually they use
1358
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,869
shadows for the light is creating
1359
00:57:33,069 --> 00:57:35,234
shadows and then I would like to insist
1360
00:57:35,434 --> 00:57:37,347
on that you know the shadows are more
1361
00:57:37,547 --> 00:57:39,258
important than the lightest we're always
1362
00:57:39,458 --> 00:57:41,579
working against that is there enough and
1363
00:57:41,779 --> 00:57:43,624
of course with time once we master as a
1364
00:57:43,824 --> 00:57:45,670
quantity then we start to deal with the
1365
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:48,680
quality control the light I having
1366
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,864
figured out when you put a light up how
1367
00:57:51,064 --> 00:57:53,787
are you gonna control it whether it be
1368
00:57:53,987 --> 00:57:56,710
grab Nets dimmers diffusion on the light
1369
00:57:56,910 --> 00:57:59,004
itself in the hunt for sometimes a
1370
00:57:59,204 --> 00:58:01,952
specific kind of light that just does
1371
00:58:02,152 --> 00:58:04,370
that particular thing you find you know
1372
00:58:04,570 --> 00:58:06,789
technology to be on your site because
1373
00:58:06,989 --> 00:58:07,940
either other people have already
1374
00:58:08,140 --> 00:58:10,410
ventured out in that and have created a
1375
00:58:10,610 --> 00:58:12,710
tool or you go out on yourself and you
1376
00:58:12,910 --> 00:58:15,010
start creating stuff there's a keynote
1377
00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:16,430
flow here is a 4-foot tube and
1378
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:18,690
everything and it's light it's small you
1379
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:20,779
can it's fast it's like it's and it's a
1380
00:58:20,979 --> 00:58:22,754
beautiful quality light you can you
1381
00:58:22,954 --> 00:58:24,896
don't have to diffuse it something that
1382
00:58:25,096 --> 00:58:27,183
changed cinematography was the Kiel flow
1383
00:58:27,383 --> 00:58:30,096
I mean that to me is all of a sudden
1384
00:58:30,296 --> 00:58:32,678
practical locations were something that
1385
00:58:32,878 --> 00:58:35,633
were embraced even more so and it's and
1386
00:58:35,833 --> 00:58:38,086
ceilings went back on two sets and and
1387
00:58:38,286 --> 00:58:40,557
no and people weren't flying him anymore
1388
00:58:40,757 --> 00:58:42,618
and you saw less you know unnatural back
1389
00:58:42,818 --> 00:58:44,578
lights and lighting changed I think it
1390
00:58:44,778 --> 00:58:46,519
people were able to put a light that
1391
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:48,749
didn't have to travel to create softness
1392
00:58:48,949 --> 00:58:50,689
three feet away from a person and all of
1393
00:58:50,889 --> 00:58:52,319
a sudden you had this quality of light
1394
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:54,544
that look very natural well of course
1395
00:58:54,744 --> 00:58:56,902
the Musco light and the the nine later
1396
00:58:57,102 --> 00:58:59,306
race that are out today have changed
1397
00:58:59,506 --> 00:59:02,177
things for us because now we can light
1398
00:59:02,377 --> 00:59:05,068
four or five six seven eight blocks
1399
00:59:05,268 --> 00:59:08,238
with just several instruments this is a
1400
00:59:08,438 --> 00:59:11,218
blonde it should be yellow yeah Nero the
1401
00:59:11,418 --> 00:59:13,608
original DNA Ural blown is yellow that's
1402
00:59:13,808 --> 00:59:15,869
why it's called long like the red is red
1403
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:18,334
that's why it's called red this one's
1404
00:59:18,534 --> 00:59:22,536
another plan so it's blue it's an open
1405
00:59:22,736 --> 00:59:25,747
face with a quartz 2k bulb and bound or
1406
00:59:25,947 --> 00:59:29,558
holding but all van doors on the side
1407
00:59:29,758 --> 00:59:33,428
but and the great thing it's not here
1408
00:59:33,628 --> 00:59:37,583
the gaffers they just hate it because
1409
00:59:37,783 --> 00:59:41,739
for them it does nothing well and us we
1410
00:59:41,939 --> 00:59:43,819
love it because it does everything
1411
00:59:44,019 --> 00:59:46,244
not so well maybe but everything nothing
1412
00:59:46,444 --> 00:59:48,206
does everything I guess my favorite form
1413
00:59:48,406 --> 00:59:50,057
of lighting is you know put a hundred
1414
00:59:50,257 --> 00:59:51,658
watt bulb in a lamp and turn it on
1415
00:59:51,858 --> 00:59:54,078
you know if it's close enough to the
1416
00:59:54,278 --> 00:59:56,293
actor great you know I think this it's
1417
00:59:56,493 --> 00:59:59,051
really terrific you know I like that say
1418
00:59:59,251 --> 01:00:01,835
it turn off the key light a second see I
1419
01:00:02,035 --> 01:00:05,812
like that you know I mean this is good
1420
01:00:06,012 --> 01:00:09,810
for something like that but this is
1421
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:13,809
really the best no light at all the the
1422
01:00:14,009 --> 01:00:16,239
back edge and a little bit of fill
1423
01:00:16,439 --> 01:00:19,119
worked perfectly for that film not only
1424
01:00:19,319 --> 01:00:21,789
did it give the beautiful edge that you
1425
01:00:21,989 --> 01:00:24,459
imagined from old black-and-white stills
1426
01:00:24,659 --> 01:00:26,389
dude that were appeared in jazz
1427
01:00:26,589 --> 01:00:29,594
magazines like Down Beat jazz magazine a
1428
01:00:29,794 --> 01:00:32,799
bebop magazine wonderful old stills with
1429
01:00:32,999 --> 01:00:34,884
beautiful edge light because the
1430
01:00:35,084 --> 01:00:36,781
photographers had to go had to find
1431
01:00:36,981 --> 01:00:38,885
wherever there was like to get their
1432
01:00:39,085 --> 01:00:42,952
imagery so they would use that edge
1433
01:00:43,152 --> 01:00:46,305
light and so that became my sort of
1434
01:00:46,505 --> 01:00:49,182
template for all the all of bird a lot
1435
01:00:49,382 --> 01:00:52,059
of films when you get started they seem
1436
01:00:52,259 --> 01:00:53,149
to have a life of their own and
1437
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:55,469
sometimes your plans don't quite work
1438
01:00:55,669 --> 01:00:57,694
out but at least you start with a an
1439
01:00:57,894 --> 01:00:59,586
idea in mind and try to pursue it
1440
01:00:59,786 --> 01:01:01,807
through the film we were looking for
1441
01:01:02,007 --> 01:01:03,803
this big finale on Chicago and you know
1442
01:01:04,003 --> 01:01:05,641
we sort of came up you know in our sort
1443
01:01:05,841 --> 01:01:07,940
of discussions of this sort of idea of
1444
01:01:08,140 --> 01:01:10,239
this big like board you know this that
1445
01:01:10,439 --> 01:01:11,920
filled the stage and
1446
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,000
would come on and sort of explode
1447
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,315
explosion of line and then they would
1448
01:01:16,515 --> 01:01:18,630
sort of machine-gun out their you know
1449
01:01:18,830 --> 01:01:19,900
their names
1450
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:21,310
I guess you light with your best
1451
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:23,705
instincts you build in some flexibility
1452
01:01:23,905 --> 01:01:26,147
into the rigging so that if you want to
1453
01:01:26,347 --> 01:01:29,093
make changes it's it's they're available
1454
01:01:29,293 --> 01:01:31,706
to you there was with the bad you know
1455
01:01:31,906 --> 01:01:34,438
only about five hundred light bulbs in
1456
01:01:34,638 --> 01:01:37,994
the board and three guys screwing them
1457
01:01:38,194 --> 01:01:41,032
in and and one thing we unfortunately
1458
01:01:41,232 --> 01:01:44,291
overlooked is that it took three days
1459
01:01:44,491 --> 01:01:46,895
for these three guys to screw in ten
1460
01:01:47,095 --> 01:01:49,637
thousand light bulbs a cinematographer
1461
01:01:49,837 --> 01:01:52,073
not only has to be a scientist and an
1462
01:01:52,273 --> 01:01:55,496
artist but they they have to be a
1463
01:01:55,696 --> 01:01:58,918
manager and a politician and a people
1464
01:01:59,118 --> 01:02:02,340
person and the your greatest gift to an
1465
01:02:02,540 --> 01:02:04,515
actor or an actress is to create a
1466
01:02:04,715 --> 01:02:06,802
comfortable arena for them to to be
1467
01:02:07,002 --> 01:02:08,921
stellar to do their best work and if
1468
01:02:09,121 --> 01:02:11,150
they feel like they're cared for by the
1469
01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:12,940
cinematographer their work is indeed
1470
01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:14,615
going to be better they're going to take
1471
01:02:14,815 --> 01:02:16,802
bigger risks than they might if they
1472
01:02:17,002 --> 01:02:18,991
felt that they were being watched after
1473
01:02:19,191 --> 01:02:20,790
by the cinematographer many many years
1474
01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:22,845
ago right after I've become a cameraman
1475
01:02:23,045 --> 01:02:25,507
a very famous came at that time his name
1476
01:02:25,707 --> 01:02:28,113
Charlie Lange and Charlie was talk to me
1477
01:02:28,313 --> 01:02:30,571
one day and he said there's two things
1478
01:02:30,771 --> 01:02:33,030
I'd like to tell you Freddie said save
1479
01:02:33,230 --> 01:02:33,370
your money
1480
01:02:33,570 --> 01:02:35,555
but surround yourself with a good crew
1481
01:02:35,755 --> 01:02:37,740
it's not realized by the general public
1482
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:39,520
with a focus boy has a tremendous
1483
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,900
influence on the look of a film and he
1484
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:44,320
has a has to do something it's quite
1485
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,460
athletic and graceful and artistic and
1486
01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:48,520
it's really not well known it's because
1487
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,810
of name is focus puller or assistant
1488
01:02:51,010 --> 01:02:52,840
camera doesn't really give blend you
1489
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,860
know full weight to what that person is
1490
01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:57,010
doing with a good gaffer sitting right
1491
01:02:57,210 --> 01:02:59,630
over your right shoulder you can whisper
1492
01:02:59,830 --> 01:03:02,250
during rehearsals or whatever and a good
1493
01:03:02,450 --> 01:03:05,205
careful would be there knowing your
1494
01:03:05,405 --> 01:03:07,612
situation that you're not able to to
1495
01:03:07,812 --> 01:03:09,820
work whilst rehearsing or whatever
1496
01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:12,200
quietly in the background when you work
1497
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,455
the year after a year and a month after
1498
01:03:14,655 --> 01:03:17,607
a month and the kind of hours we worked
1499
01:03:17,807 --> 01:03:20,368
on a set and the long locations and
1500
01:03:20,568 --> 01:03:23,130
you're with your crew really mourn your
1501
01:03:23,330 --> 01:03:23,940
your family
1502
01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:26,320
which was the same but that's just the
1503
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,565
way it worked out but a strange fire
1504
01:03:29,765 --> 01:03:32,222
crew becomes your family and hopefully
1505
01:03:32,422 --> 01:03:34,880
you all get along because you're there
1506
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,790
for extended periods of time my
1507
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:41,635
management style is basically admiration
1508
01:03:41,835 --> 01:03:44,827
I find people gaffer's first assistants
1509
01:03:45,027 --> 01:03:47,968
camera operators the key grips that that
1510
01:03:48,168 --> 01:03:51,844
I just love and admire and I got to work
1511
01:03:52,044 --> 01:03:55,422
with those people cinematography is the
1512
01:03:55,622 --> 01:03:58,366
mastering of a complex technology in the
1513
01:03:58,566 --> 01:04:01,558
service of art and a lot of people think
1514
01:04:01,758 --> 01:04:04,749
that that if you're a cinematographer
1515
01:04:04,949 --> 01:04:07,634
that you're more of a technician than
1516
01:04:07,834 --> 01:04:10,157
you are an artist but I would I would
1517
01:04:10,357 --> 01:04:12,618
say that you're more an artist that you
1518
01:04:12,818 --> 01:04:15,080
are a technician because the technology
1519
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,630
serves what the ideas are and how
1520
01:04:18,830 --> 01:04:20,830
they're filtered through your mind I can
1521
01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:23,205
say that I've always been type of person
1522
01:04:23,405 --> 01:04:25,892
that are the type of DP who's always
1523
01:04:26,092 --> 01:04:29,741
approached the subject matter first with
1524
01:04:29,941 --> 01:04:33,015
my heart first approached it as someone
1525
01:04:33,215 --> 01:04:36,092
who wants to tell a particular story and
1526
01:04:36,292 --> 01:04:38,336
how can the technology help me to tell
1527
01:04:38,536 --> 01:04:40,688
that story I think the great challenge
1528
01:04:40,888 --> 01:04:43,379
for us the cinematographers is is moving
1529
01:04:43,579 --> 01:04:46,070
into technology and I think that that's
1530
01:04:46,270 --> 01:04:47,870
scary for all of us there's no one
1531
01:04:48,070 --> 01:04:50,060
that's not scared by it it's hard to
1532
01:04:50,260 --> 01:04:52,070
keep pace with such changing technology
1533
01:04:52,270 --> 01:04:54,680
a piece of film is moved through the
1534
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,990
camera and it's exposed and it goes to
1535
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:59,435
the laboratory and if you have light and
1536
01:04:59,635 --> 01:05:01,422
a lens and you can look at that image
1537
01:05:01,622 --> 01:05:03,676
almost anywhere in the world it's
1538
01:05:03,876 --> 01:05:06,738
amazing that that little machine can
1539
01:05:06,938 --> 01:05:09,800
create so much magic and is the basis of
1540
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,020
an art form that has more power and
1541
01:05:12,220 --> 01:05:14,030
influence than any other art form ever
1542
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:15,965
invented the cameras are so much smaller
1543
01:05:16,165 --> 01:05:18,117
than other they're much easier to use I
1544
01:05:18,317 --> 01:05:20,303
mean you can get them into places that
1545
01:05:20,503 --> 01:05:23,496
we could never have got a camera into 10
1546
01:05:23,696 --> 01:05:26,173
15 years ago they're very light they're
1547
01:05:26,373 --> 01:05:29,966
perfectly balanced if you want to go
1548
01:05:30,166 --> 01:05:33,760
handheld the new way of people were
1549
01:05:34,210 --> 01:05:37,350
freed by their small camera
1550
01:05:37,550 --> 01:05:39,025
I could handhold and run around Paris
1551
01:05:39,225 --> 01:05:41,137
with and it's important to know the tool
1552
01:05:41,337 --> 01:05:42,898
and the best way to in order to is when
1553
01:05:43,098 --> 01:05:45,354
you carry that tool for eight hours
1554
01:05:45,554 --> 01:05:47,610
walking in the in the field so the
1555
01:05:47,810 --> 01:05:50,185
camera is part of you but to be able to
1556
01:05:50,385 --> 01:05:52,560
actually have the camera in my hand
1557
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,630
looking at an actor and seeing them talk
1558
01:05:55,830 --> 01:05:58,275
and knowing that's the way it's gonna be
1559
01:05:58,475 --> 01:06:02,747
on the screen see and hearing at the
1560
01:06:02,947 --> 01:06:05,958
same time and to to feel if you are the
1561
01:06:06,158 --> 01:06:08,614
power I often think of myself as an
1562
01:06:08,814 --> 01:06:11,847
actor I mean I'm the person who stands
1563
01:06:12,047 --> 01:06:15,080
up on my feet with the actors day-to-day
1564
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,150
and walks around them if you have a
1565
01:06:17,350 --> 01:06:18,770
camera on your shoulder enough and
1566
01:06:18,970 --> 01:06:20,190
you're shooting and shooting and
1567
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:22,345
shooting and shooting you I found that I
1568
01:06:22,545 --> 01:06:24,442
developed a second sense about where
1569
01:06:24,642 --> 01:06:26,716
people were going to move and where the
1570
01:06:26,916 --> 01:06:28,713
best place to be was cameras you know
1571
01:06:28,913 --> 01:06:30,510
they'll hate me for saying it but
1572
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:33,025
cameras don't matter to me I think that
1573
01:06:33,225 --> 01:06:35,092
it's the lenses and I've said for years
1574
01:06:35,292 --> 01:06:37,176
that a camera is just a light type box
1575
01:06:37,376 --> 01:06:39,208
with a lens on the end well I've got a
1576
01:06:39,408 --> 01:06:40,944
very strong feeling about lenses and
1577
01:06:41,144 --> 01:06:43,102
personally I'm sitting here talking to
1578
01:06:43,302 --> 01:06:44,826
you and me you are filming me from over
1579
01:06:45,026 --> 01:06:46,993
there on a shoulder on a property a
1580
01:06:47,193 --> 01:06:49,471
single where I'd rarely do that because
1581
01:06:49,671 --> 01:06:51,625
I think you know the camera was to be to
1582
01:06:51,825 --> 01:06:53,617
me I would shoot singles inside here
1583
01:06:53,817 --> 01:06:55,723
unless it's through a particular facts
1584
01:06:55,923 --> 01:06:57,886
and then I'd drop back off and be more
1585
01:06:58,086 --> 01:06:59,628
observational with a shoulder in I mean
1586
01:06:59,828 --> 01:07:01,789
I think it's a totally different effect
1587
01:07:01,989 --> 01:07:04,744
to an audience looking at somebody on
1588
01:07:04,944 --> 01:07:07,497
the end of a hundred millimeter lens as
1589
01:07:07,697 --> 01:07:09,758
opposed to somebody that's been being
1590
01:07:09,958 --> 01:07:12,164
shot on a twenty-seven close to or
1591
01:07:12,364 --> 01:07:14,492
twenty one so here we are 32 min or 30
1592
01:07:14,692 --> 01:07:16,511
millimeter is on a zoom so sometimes you
1593
01:07:16,711 --> 01:07:18,530
can't tell what the millimeter anyway
1594
01:07:18,730 --> 01:07:20,190
but um it's different right
1595
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:21,745
you know there's a sense of presence
1596
01:07:21,945 --> 01:07:23,632
you're right there with somebody
1597
01:07:23,832 --> 01:07:25,320
supposed to being this I think
1598
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,655
psychologically it's a totally different
1599
01:07:27,855 --> 01:07:29,587
effects the psychology of lenses is that
1600
01:07:29,787 --> 01:07:32,728
a wide-angle lens has a different effect
1601
01:07:32,928 --> 01:07:35,259
than a telephoto lens and so for example
1602
01:07:35,459 --> 01:07:37,859
Widing and in many different ways one of
1603
01:07:38,059 --> 01:07:40,359
them how the face is rendered also a
1604
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:42,659
sense of action like Frank bring my hand
1605
01:07:42,859 --> 01:07:44,514
closer or further from the camera the
1606
01:07:44,714 --> 01:07:46,342
wide-angle lens is gonna have much more
1607
01:07:46,542 --> 01:07:48,411
effect than it does and even if I'm
1608
01:07:48,611 --> 01:07:50,480
shifting like this it's gonna hat it's
1609
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:50,579
gonna
1610
01:07:50,779 --> 01:07:53,569
more live more edgy than it would with
1611
01:07:53,769 --> 01:07:54,599
the telephoto light
1612
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:58,619
I mean it's just the same as your
1613
01:07:58,819 --> 01:08:00,759
relationship and real life to somebody
1614
01:08:00,959 --> 01:08:02,924
I'm sitting this close to you I'm not
1615
01:08:03,124 --> 01:08:05,701
I'm not seeing you from over there on a
1616
01:08:05,901 --> 01:08:08,110
long lens you know so I I don't think we
1617
01:08:08,310 --> 01:08:10,469
take that into account as much as we
1618
01:08:10,669 --> 01:08:13,029
should really with all of these tools
1619
01:08:13,229 --> 01:08:15,014
available to us the question is what you
1620
01:08:15,214 --> 01:08:17,000
know what comes first the chicken or the
1621
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:18,510
egg do you find a great piece of
1622
01:08:18,710 --> 01:08:21,729
equipment and modify a shot to suit that
1623
01:08:21,929 --> 01:08:24,104
piece of equipment or do you figure out
1624
01:08:24,304 --> 01:08:26,012
what you want to do and find the right
1625
01:08:26,212 --> 01:08:28,270
piece of equipment I've never liked to
1626
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:30,899
hear someone say we can't do it because
1627
01:08:31,099 --> 01:08:33,474
you can always find a way to do it and
1628
01:08:33,674 --> 01:08:36,891
if it requires different technology or a
1629
01:08:37,091 --> 01:08:39,649
different maybe even a different number
1630
01:08:39,849 --> 01:08:42,633
or two on the crew that's what you have
1631
01:08:42,833 --> 01:08:45,296
to do I love mechanics I mean in the
1632
01:08:45,496 --> 01:08:47,960
business I was always going home there's
1633
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,954
got to be a better way to do this
1634
01:08:50,154 --> 01:08:52,871
there's got to be an easier way
1635
01:08:53,071 --> 01:08:55,514
I made the hi-hat because you know
1636
01:08:55,714 --> 01:08:57,496
hi-hat on a board is 1930s technology
1637
01:08:57,696 --> 01:08:59,479
and I bet you you still got one on the
1638
01:08:59,679 --> 01:08:59,998
stage here
1639
01:09:00,198 --> 01:09:02,108
Ron Dexter is an amazing person the
1640
01:09:02,308 --> 01:09:03,853
thing that one of the most important
1641
01:09:04,053 --> 01:09:06,061
things I learned from him is you never
1642
01:09:06,261 --> 01:09:08,109
have to accept the equipment as built by
1643
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:10,738
the manufacturer what I did was I got
1644
01:09:10,938 --> 01:09:12,713
outside of the movie industry how do
1645
01:09:12,913 --> 01:09:14,489
other people do things I look at
1646
01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:18,954
catalogs I'd bounce things off of people
1647
01:09:19,154 --> 01:09:22,312
and found incredible tools that other
1648
01:09:22,512 --> 01:09:25,116
industries use it why aren't we I can
1649
01:09:25,316 --> 01:09:28,362
distinctly remember to this day him
1650
01:09:28,562 --> 01:09:31,215
bringing home a to see body that he had
1651
01:09:31,415 --> 01:09:34,157
just bought walking over to the bandsaw
1652
01:09:34,357 --> 01:09:36,782
and cutting in half you had a soft part
1653
01:09:36,982 --> 01:09:39,385
of the lens to mount put a different
1654
01:09:39,585 --> 01:09:41,557
mount on it I take the whatever the
1655
01:09:41,757 --> 01:09:44,668
simplest tool is to get the job done
1656
01:09:44,868 --> 01:09:47,318
approach if we can do the shot static
1657
01:09:47,518 --> 01:09:49,468
then it's on sticks if we need to move
1658
01:09:49,668 --> 01:09:51,683
the camera hopefully we can do it on a
1659
01:09:51,883 --> 01:09:53,466
dolly if it's got to go upstairs then it
1660
01:09:53,666 --> 01:09:55,348
might be a Steadicam and if it's going
1661
01:09:55,548 --> 01:09:58,029
to make a huge rise it'll be a crane but
1662
01:09:58,229 --> 01:10:00,584
to try to keep it as simple as possible
1663
01:10:00,784 --> 01:10:03,139
I find works the best for me every piece
1664
01:10:03,339 --> 01:10:03,780
of new technology
1665
01:10:03,980 --> 01:10:07,345
she inspires ideas film stocks have have
1666
01:10:07,545 --> 01:10:10,177
been the thing for me that have sort of
1667
01:10:10,377 --> 01:10:12,358
shaped the way films look today as the
1668
01:10:12,558 --> 01:10:14,619
digital word is coming towards us the
1669
01:10:14,819 --> 01:10:16,559
film keeps getting better so the bar you
1670
01:10:16,759 --> 01:10:18,939
know one raises the bar that the other
1671
01:10:19,139 --> 01:10:21,599
one needs to come to meet film is has
1672
01:10:21,799 --> 01:10:24,894
much more resolution buried in it then
1673
01:10:25,094 --> 01:10:27,202
then a 1k a 2k or a 4k skin when you
1674
01:10:27,402 --> 01:10:29,541
would go to release a motion picture
1675
01:10:29,741 --> 01:10:31,635
film there's a process called color
1676
01:10:31,835 --> 01:10:34,127
timing and when you sit down to do that
1677
01:10:34,327 --> 01:10:36,620
that has not changed basically since the
1678
01:10:36,820 --> 01:10:39,350
advent of you know color film when
1679
01:10:39,550 --> 01:10:41,880
Kalmus came up with Technicolor and
1680
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:43,615
essentially you sit there and you hold a
1681
01:10:43,815 --> 01:10:45,022
different color pieces of gelatin in
1682
01:10:45,222 --> 01:10:46,671
front of your eye and you say do you
1683
01:10:46,871 --> 01:10:48,515
like this yellow one no no let me see
1684
01:10:48,715 --> 01:10:50,292
the green one hey here's a yellow and a
1685
01:10:50,492 --> 01:10:52,186
green or hey try this magenta and you
1686
01:10:52,386 --> 01:10:54,212
try to get the color balance right I
1687
01:10:54,412 --> 01:10:56,231
think everybody now is probably played
1688
01:10:56,431 --> 01:10:58,290
with Photoshop or something like that
1689
01:10:58,490 --> 01:11:00,535
and these computers are incredibly
1690
01:11:00,735 --> 01:11:02,932
powerful tools in terms of doing very
1691
01:11:03,132 --> 01:11:05,421
subtle color correcting I would say the
1692
01:11:05,621 --> 01:11:07,910
traditionally film timing is compared to
1693
01:11:08,110 --> 01:11:08,970
digital well what we call a digital
1694
01:11:09,170 --> 01:11:11,435
intermediate or digital color correcting
1695
01:11:11,635 --> 01:11:14,172
is much cruder it's just like printing
1696
01:11:14,372 --> 01:11:17,056
printing a still photograph the great
1697
01:11:17,256 --> 01:11:19,623
photographers like Ansel Adams part of
1698
01:11:19,823 --> 01:11:22,241
what they did in creating their images
1699
01:11:22,441 --> 01:11:25,065
was the negative and the second part was
1700
01:11:25,265 --> 01:11:28,262
the print and the print was where it all
1701
01:11:28,462 --> 01:11:30,821
came together in this world of digital
1702
01:11:31,021 --> 01:11:33,270
intermediate were that's becoming more
1703
01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:36,745
common there's gonna be a lot of choices
1704
01:11:36,945 --> 01:11:39,472
to be made a lot of variables isn't an
1705
01:11:39,672 --> 01:11:41,901
interpretation that has to carry from
1706
01:11:42,101 --> 01:11:44,120
what the photography the original intent
1707
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,340
is it's like when those people need at
1708
01:11:46,540 --> 01:11:47,520
the beginning at the beginning of
1709
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,185
filmmaking used to ham paying the frames
1710
01:11:50,385 --> 01:11:52,547
the h1 each one each one they used to
1711
01:11:52,747 --> 01:11:54,710
hand-painted in order to give it a
1712
01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:58,760
personal look so by God by us going into
1713
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,624
the digital Bay but by us using digital
1714
01:12:01,824 --> 01:12:04,347
intermediate we are hard painting over
1715
01:12:04,547 --> 01:12:07,208
films and that is going to make our our
1716
01:12:07,408 --> 01:12:09,764
our art it still to preserve and he's
1717
01:12:09,964 --> 01:12:11,897
gonna give each one of us a look which
1718
01:12:12,097 --> 01:12:14,583
is I think it's very very important that
1719
01:12:14,783 --> 01:12:17,270
we preserve the danger is that the role
1720
01:12:17,470 --> 01:12:19,470
the cinematographer is much more
1721
01:12:19,670 --> 01:12:22,465
vulnerable now if you're not available
1722
01:12:22,665 --> 01:12:25,957
six months nine months a year after you
1723
01:12:26,157 --> 01:12:28,483
finished shooting when the studio or
1724
01:12:28,683 --> 01:12:31,010
whoever's making the film is ready to do
1725
01:12:31,210 --> 01:12:32,810
the digital intermediate you got a
1726
01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:33,210
problem
1727
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:34,900
the downside is any technology that
1728
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,735
gives you sort of endless options also
1729
01:12:36,935 --> 01:12:38,522
gives you endless options to screw up
1730
01:12:38,722 --> 01:12:40,310
the image or have other people take over
1731
01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:42,660
the image so it becomes much more
1732
01:12:42,860 --> 01:12:44,605
important for this Montag refer to exert
1733
01:12:44,805 --> 01:12:46,807
some control over the post-production
1734
01:12:47,007 --> 01:12:48,958
process before with traditional film
1735
01:12:49,158 --> 01:12:50,679
printing there was limitations on how
1736
01:12:50,879 --> 01:12:52,200
much you could change the image or
1737
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,535
reformat the image or reframe the image
1738
01:12:54,735 --> 01:12:56,767
without affecting the quality so the
1739
01:12:56,967 --> 01:12:58,993
cinematographer could rely in some sense
1740
01:12:59,193 --> 01:13:00,976
of the limitations the technology to
1741
01:13:01,176 --> 01:13:02,943
keep the image close to what he intended
1742
01:13:03,143 --> 01:13:04,961
but now with digital intermediate that's
1743
01:13:05,161 --> 01:13:06,765
not the case he could turn the movie
1744
01:13:06,965 --> 01:13:09,047
into a completely different looking
1745
01:13:09,247 --> 01:13:11,943
image the advantages that you only have
1746
01:13:12,143 --> 01:13:15,086
to do your work once you can take this
1747
01:13:15,286 --> 01:13:18,787
digital intermediate and and port it
1748
01:13:18,987 --> 01:13:21,793
over to your HD mastering for DVD and
1749
01:13:21,993 --> 01:13:24,256
for all other uses and not have to do
1750
01:13:24,456 --> 01:13:26,898
the work twice again and this is a great
1751
01:13:27,098 --> 01:13:29,954
boon which was all those only pressures
1752
01:13:30,154 --> 01:13:32,747
on all of us to do more faster cheaper
1753
01:13:32,947 --> 01:13:34,908
this is a tool which helps us those
1754
01:13:35,108 --> 01:13:36,784
companies are out there and they're
1755
01:13:36,984 --> 01:13:38,667
doing everything they can to bring in
1756
01:13:38,867 --> 01:13:40,718
the jobs for us to shoot the commercials
1757
01:13:40,918 --> 01:13:42,779
and music videos but at the same time
1758
01:13:42,979 --> 01:13:44,640
the economy is tight so that their
1759
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,275
profit margins are being cut closer and
1760
01:13:47,475 --> 01:13:49,942
closer so we're always trying to find
1761
01:13:50,142 --> 01:13:52,476
things that as well as advancing the art
1762
01:13:52,676 --> 01:13:54,883
that'll also will advance just let us do
1763
01:13:55,083 --> 01:13:56,971
it quicker the movie industry is is this
1764
01:13:57,171 --> 01:13:59,060
is wonderful combination of high finance
1765
01:13:59,260 --> 01:14:01,200
and and art that's what a
1766
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,844
cinematographer has to do all filmmakers
1767
01:14:04,044 --> 01:14:06,747
do when you show up you have to look at
1768
01:14:06,947 --> 01:14:09,173
your restraints as an opportunity every
1769
01:14:09,373 --> 01:14:11,871
time I see a new piece of equipment I
1770
01:14:12,071 --> 01:14:13,910
look at and in Envy and I say what do
1771
01:14:14,110 --> 01:14:16,385
you offer somebody let me have this for
1772
01:14:16,585 --> 01:14:18,702
Christmas for my next film well I tell a
1773
01:14:18,902 --> 01:14:20,941
story the first day we were shooting on
1774
01:14:21,141 --> 01:14:22,810
Barton think I have this story but I'm
1775
01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:24,645
really nervous I mean I think the guys
1776
01:14:24,845 --> 01:14:26,480
are great filmmakers so I was so pleased
1777
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:27,680
to be working with him
1778
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,895
in America I am being here really much
1779
01:14:30,095 --> 01:14:32,112
by then and anyway so that there's sort
1780
01:14:32,312 --> 01:14:34,691
of storyboards for the day I think and I
1781
01:14:34,891 --> 01:14:36,745
got and in prep I went up to Jolla said
1782
01:14:36,945 --> 01:14:38,537
well you know these shots what we were
1783
01:14:38,737 --> 01:14:40,783
on that we were looking at the location
1784
01:14:40,983 --> 01:14:42,731
we were in a theater downtown and I had
1785
01:14:42,931 --> 01:14:44,935
a series of shots going around this
1786
01:14:45,135 --> 01:14:47,162
stage and I said well what a Joel would
1787
01:14:47,362 --> 01:14:49,389
you know we could combine these and do a
1788
01:14:49,589 --> 01:14:52,970
moving camera shot and combine five
1789
01:14:53,170 --> 01:14:55,334
storyboards in woman's oh well okay yeah
1790
01:14:55,534 --> 01:14:57,207
that'll be great so we got a luma crane
1791
01:14:57,407 --> 01:14:59,523
it is about the only time I used it I
1792
01:14:59,723 --> 01:15:01,866
think and and did this did this little
1793
01:15:02,066 --> 01:15:04,343
shot instead of five shots it was one
1794
01:15:04,543 --> 01:15:06,976
fluid thing it's a opening of the movie
1795
01:15:07,176 --> 01:15:09,883
and so what I love about working with
1796
01:15:10,083 --> 01:15:12,356
them is they have this very thought-out
1797
01:15:12,556 --> 01:15:14,402
idea of what they want how they want to
1798
01:15:14,602 --> 01:15:16,671
cover things this sort of feel of the
1799
01:15:16,871 --> 01:15:18,945
movie but then they're really open to
1800
01:15:19,145 --> 01:15:21,312
ideas and that was the first day I work
1801
01:15:21,512 --> 01:15:24,206
with them so they had this they had this
1802
01:15:24,406 --> 01:15:26,807
day's work laid out in this theater we
1803
01:15:27,007 --> 01:15:29,173
wrapped at 12 o'clock you know in the
1804
01:15:29,373 --> 01:15:31,376
morning I mean midday cuz we've done
1805
01:15:31,576 --> 01:15:34,007
this lumic range shot I was here we had
1806
01:15:34,207 --> 01:15:36,943
nothing else to do I think people fall
1807
01:15:37,143 --> 01:15:39,506
in love with the process you know and
1808
01:15:39,706 --> 01:15:42,033
equipment and the process is a means to
1809
01:15:42,233 --> 01:15:44,586
an end I mean a camera is a tool you
1810
01:15:44,786 --> 01:15:46,523
know films a tool I Matilda the actors
1811
01:15:46,723 --> 01:15:48,106
are tools the directors are tool you
1812
01:15:48,306 --> 01:15:49,690
know and the whole thing is to move that
1813
01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:50,900
script onto the screen
1814
01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:53,220
the thing about tools and technology is
1815
01:15:53,420 --> 01:15:55,130
it's how you use them that makes us
1816
01:15:55,330 --> 01:15:57,660
different it's the ideas in your head
1817
01:15:57,860 --> 01:16:00,574
and the vision that you have and it's
1818
01:16:00,774 --> 01:16:03,052
like paint brushes you have one big
1819
01:16:03,252 --> 01:16:05,760
brush half an inch to inch work what a
1820
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,135
finish that's what technology today
1821
01:16:08,335 --> 01:16:09,937
that's how I use it as new tools the
1822
01:16:10,137 --> 01:16:12,338
relationship between technology and
1823
01:16:12,538 --> 01:16:14,738
style is a kind of dialectic really
1824
01:16:14,938 --> 01:16:17,539
technology does release you to do new
1825
01:16:17,739 --> 01:16:20,174
shots new angles new new movements but
1826
01:16:20,374 --> 01:16:22,810
you have to decide why you're doing them
1827
01:16:23,010 --> 01:16:25,240
not because you can but because you
1828
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:27,685
should and I think that's the key to to
1829
01:16:27,885 --> 01:16:29,672
the use of technology you can have all
1830
01:16:29,872 --> 01:16:31,459
kinds of ideas on what you want to
1831
01:16:31,659 --> 01:16:33,194
achieve but if you don't know your craft
1832
01:16:33,394 --> 01:16:34,797
if you don't know how to use your tools
1833
01:16:34,997 --> 01:16:36,400
you'll never be able to get those ideas
1834
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:37,069
across
1835
01:16:37,269 --> 01:16:39,539
so you have to master that part of it
1836
01:16:39,739 --> 01:16:42,199
and part of that the tools are the
1837
01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:44,594
cameras the lenses the film stock the
1838
01:16:44,794 --> 01:16:47,757
lights the type of lighting you're going
1839
01:16:47,957 --> 01:16:50,388
to do exposure the lab work it's all
1840
01:16:50,588 --> 01:16:52,819
part of it well for every artist no
1841
01:16:53,019 --> 01:16:56,609
matter what the art form they're dealing
1842
01:16:56,809 --> 01:17:00,400
in the technology is the servant of the
1843
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:01,240
artist
1844
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:05,455
it could be cave painting in southern
1845
01:17:05,655 --> 01:17:08,817
France seventeen thousand years ago the
1846
01:17:09,017 --> 01:17:12,633
technology of creating dyes and pigments
1847
01:17:12,833 --> 01:17:16,296
to scratch images on the cave wall was
1848
01:17:16,496 --> 01:17:20,693
the technology that the artists used to
1849
01:17:20,893 --> 01:17:24,811
create those images when I was a child I
1850
01:17:25,011 --> 01:17:29,240
used to of envision II I used to run to
1851
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,715
get a kick by running on stones which
1852
01:17:32,915 --> 01:17:36,237
were by the sea and moving all of them
1853
01:17:36,437 --> 01:17:39,468
and the fun was to to choose by with you
1854
01:17:39,668 --> 01:17:41,968
for your eye on which stone put your
1855
01:17:42,168 --> 01:17:44,523
food and that you are already a gun but
1856
01:17:44,723 --> 01:17:47,016
if the stone was a bad stone or because
1857
01:17:47,216 --> 01:17:49,510
you had the deaf you were barefooted it
1858
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would be hurt and all that and in
1859
01:17:51,460 --> 01:17:53,354
filming is a little like that swimming
1860
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is always running forward looking for
1861
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not losing your balance and and having a
1862
01:17:59,423 --> 01:18:01,476
lot of fun from this kind of event yes
1863
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adrenaline shot that we're having all
1864
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the sets all the time in our lifetime
1865
01:18:06,673 --> 01:18:10,096
we've already gone through major changes
1866
01:18:10,296 --> 01:18:13,719
in technology technique black and white
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color negative reversal
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01:18:17,380 --> 01:18:20,320
not to mention from silent to sound and
1869
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,959
I think those those changes
1870
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talk to me far more greater than the
1871
01:18:26,009 --> 01:18:29,334
change that we're facing at the moment
1872
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which is from film to digital mediums I
1873
01:18:32,287 --> 01:18:34,628
think cinematography hasn't changed but
1874
01:18:34,828 --> 01:18:37,103
it might require a new cinematographer
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one who's versed in digital technology
1876
01:18:40,186 --> 01:18:42,869
and fearless and able to assert the the
1877
01:18:43,069 --> 01:18:44,709
the view the vision as as the
1878
01:18:44,909 --> 01:18:47,224
cinematographer traditionally is done on
1879
01:18:47,424 --> 01:18:49,739
the set is also to command the process
1880
01:18:49,939 --> 01:18:51,570
through the end so that the look
1881
01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:53,589
creation doesn't escape the
1882
01:18:53,789 --> 01:18:55,699
cinematographer I think all of the
1883
01:18:55,899 --> 01:18:57,729
techniques all of the tools all of the
1884
01:18:57,929 --> 01:18:59,749
new materials that are that allow us to
1885
01:18:59,949 --> 01:19:01,509
make images no matter what they are
1886
01:19:01,709 --> 01:19:03,934
whether they're digital whether they're
1887
01:19:04,134 --> 01:19:06,242
film or whether they're you know we're
1888
01:19:06,442 --> 01:19:08,805
shooting on on tissue paper it doesn't
1889
01:19:09,005 --> 01:19:11,452
matter what what is important is that
1890
01:19:11,652 --> 01:19:13,616
the cinematographer is needed from the
1891
01:19:13,816 --> 01:19:16,107
beginning of the production till the end
1892
01:19:16,307 --> 01:19:18,599
of the production and not until a film
1893
01:19:18,799 --> 01:19:20,949
gets on the screen is when the
1894
01:19:21,149 --> 01:19:23,939
cinematographers work work over I think
1895
01:19:24,139 --> 01:19:27,674
what has mattered to me in my career is
1896
01:19:27,874 --> 01:19:31,191
the times that I really thought that I
1897
01:19:31,391 --> 01:19:34,709
really hit the mark was when I closed my
1898
01:19:34,909 --> 01:19:36,189
mind to all the technique and the
1899
01:19:36,389 --> 01:19:39,094
technology and listened to my heart and
1900
01:19:39,294 --> 01:19:41,791
my soul and then the answer came just
1901
01:19:41,991 --> 01:19:44,205
like that we create our own vision we
1902
01:19:44,405 --> 01:19:46,582
get to put it on film we get to show it
1903
01:19:46,782 --> 01:19:49,030
to the world I have always felt that one
1904
01:19:49,230 --> 01:19:51,409
of the greatest gifts of mankind is not
1905
01:19:51,609 --> 01:19:53,789
the opposable thumb which has given us
1906
01:19:53,989 --> 01:19:55,514
technology in our society but the
1907
01:19:55,714 --> 01:19:57,039
ability to tell story that's very
1908
01:19:57,239 --> 01:19:59,689
beginning we create fire light sources
1909
01:19:59,889 --> 01:20:02,769
and we create shadows we need to make
1910
01:20:02,969 --> 01:20:05,224
images it's not really a thing we choose
1911
01:20:05,424 --> 01:20:07,321
to do it's something we need to do we've
1912
01:20:07,521 --> 01:20:10,455
always needed to do this we've always
1913
01:20:10,655 --> 01:20:12,862
needed to create images before there
1914
01:20:13,062 --> 01:20:14,950
were words there were images before
1915
01:20:15,150 --> 01:20:18,244
there were numbers there were images
1916
01:20:18,444 --> 01:20:21,016
there were drawings on caves that's how
1917
01:20:21,216 --> 01:20:23,632
that's how deep our drive to do this is
1918
01:20:23,832 --> 01:20:26,249
it's interesting because the images they
1919
01:20:26,449 --> 01:20:29,699
created with flickering light in a
1920
01:20:29,899 --> 01:20:30,700
darkened cave
1921
01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:33,920
is not dissimilar to the images we
1922
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,790
create with flickering lights in a
1923
01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:39,395
darkened theater the future is in us
1924
01:20:39,595 --> 01:20:42,212
telling stories with pictures but there
1925
01:20:42,412 --> 01:20:45,166
is only one thing they never change the
1926
01:20:45,366 --> 01:20:49,688
idea the idea doesn't matter if you do a
1927
01:20:49,888 --> 01:20:53,629
mono or stone on wood on canvas on films
1928
01:20:53,829 --> 01:20:57,174
or in electronic the idea is the one
1929
01:20:57,374 --> 01:21:00,052
that really stayed always because it's
1930
01:21:00,252 --> 01:21:03,386
energy because it's part of ourselves
1931
01:21:03,586 --> 01:21:06,223
it's the idea that is important it's why
1932
01:21:06,423 --> 01:21:09,576
you do something as opposed to how you
1933
01:21:09,776 --> 01:21:12,930
do something what you do and why you do
1934
01:21:13,130 --> 01:21:13,060
it
1935
01:21:13,260 --> 01:21:15,850
if the emphasis remains on good
1936
01:21:16,050 --> 01:21:18,875
storytelling visually then this great
1937
01:21:19,075 --> 01:21:21,347
work to be seen in the future with no
1938
01:21:21,547 --> 01:21:24,128
limits as to what the image could
1939
01:21:24,328 --> 01:21:26,910
conjure up so I think we're in for a
1940
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:27,840
good ride
1941
01:24:57,090 --> 01:24:59,150
you
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you
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