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♪ (dramatic music) ♪

Narrator: He was the
inconspicuous cleric.

Austen Ivereigh: He's a
curious figure because

Bergolio could walk down the
street and not be recognized.

Narrator: Poised to carry out
his life of service

with quiet resolve.

Anne Thompson: He became known
as the Bishop of the slums.

Narrator: Until an unexpected
announcement...

Reporter: Pope Benedict
The 16th, visibly tired

of the demands of
the job, bowed out.

Narrator: Would change the
trajectory of a man,

his mission and the masses.

Cardinal Tuaran:
We have a Pope.

(crowd cheering)

Francis!

(crowd cheering)
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Juan Carlos Cruz: Francis!
This is a stunner!

(laughter)
This is a stunner!

Pope Francis: I'm convinced that

we can make a difference

Narrator: He's become an
advocate of the impoverished...

Anne Thompson: He established
his outreach to the poor.

He changed lives in a way

no one could imagine.

Narrator: A champion
of the ignored...

Mary McHale:
He's at least acknowledged

sexual abuse victims,

which is more than I can say
for some in the past.

Narrator: An Apostle
of the environment...

Pope Francis: Now is the
time for protecting nature!

(cracking)
(splashing)

Narrator: Almost immediately,
the new pope

would challenge
centuries-old traditions.

Pope Francis: If a person is gay

who am I to judge him?

Anne Thompson:
He makes five percent

of the senior leadership

at the Vatican, women.

Narrator: But with change
would come challenge...

Austen Ivereigh: You had
right-wing Catholics saying,

why doesn't he
stick to religion?

Mario J. Paredes:
They are convinced that

he has a hidden agenda.

Thompson: Many told Francis
to stay in his lane.

Narrator: Francis however,
remains undaunted,

and intent on making God
accessible to all.

Pope Francis: It is my
duty to build bridges

and to help poor men and women
to do the same.

- Many say that what Pope
Francis is doing is politics.

No, it is the Gospel.

Thompson: He has brought
the Catholic Church

to the basic message of Jesus.

Austen Ivereigh: By focusing so
relentlessly on love and mercy,

he's unquestionably
the game changer.

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♪♪♪

(church bells sounding)

(crowd chatter)

(church bells sounding)

(crowd cheering)

Priest: The windows are opening,

let's take a listen

to the name

of the next Pope.

Cardinal Tuaran: I announce
to you with extreme happiness,

we have a Pope.

(crowd cheering)

Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

Priest: Cardinal Bergoglio!

Cardinal Tuaran:
He took the name of Francis.

Priest: Francis!

It's the first Francis in the
history of the Catholic Church!

- It is fair to say

by the reaction in the
Square of St. Peter's

they are stunned.
- This is a stunner!

(laughter)
This is a stunner.

♪ (choir music) ♪

Thompson: I was standing
in St. Peter's Square.

And there was like
this collective, 'Huh?'

Like, 'Who is he?'

We had, truly, papal flashcards

that NBC News had prepared,

with a dozen different
candidates,

and luckily Bergoglio
was one of them.

Man: (speaking foreign language)
No, I don't know him,

but I am happy because
we have a Pope.

Priest: It's Cardinal Bergoglio,

from Buenos Aires.

Crowd: Ooooh! Aaah!

(crowd cheering)

Father Zampini-Davies:
He's a fan of San Lorenzo,

which is a football team.

If you are a fan of San Lorenzo,

you cannot be from any other
place than central Buenos Aires.

Austen Ivereigh: Jorge Mario
Bergoglio was born in 1936,

and it was seven
years before that,

that his father had
immigrated to Argentina

from the North of Italy,
with his parents.

His mother was also
an Italian emigre.

Father Morello:
There was a big influx

of Italian immigrants
in those years,

beginning of the 20th century
into Argentina.

Ivereigh: The young Jorge
was the eldest of five children,

and he grew up in Buenos Aires

as part of this very
Italian family.

♪ ♪

Ivereigh: Jorge Mario was
a pretty typical kid,

he hung around the neighborhood,
the barrio, with the guys,

you know, he liked to
kick around the football.

His school friends remember him

as always being outstanding
in all the subjects

and always being
concerned for others.

Father Morello:
Where does this need come from

to help other people?

In the summer of
his eighth grade,

his father
found him a job

cleaning in a factory

not because they needed
money in the family,

but he wanted him to have
a real life experience.

Woman: He was very humble,
he was very loving.

Paredes: I believe that the
formation of his character

has to do a lot
with his grandmother.

She was a very devout,
Catholic woman,

who kept a very close
relationship with him.

Thompson: His faith, he
says, was handed down

by his grandmother.

It's not an intellectual faith.

It's more from the gut.
It's who you are.

It's what defines your family.

Paredes: Principles
of social justice,

nourished by his grandmother,

meant he was always
attracted to service.

He really wanted to do good.

Rosario Carello:
The calling of Pope Francis

was truly, a wonderful story.

♪

Ivereigh: Jorge was a
teenager at the time

and he was on his way
to meet his girlfriend.

Woman: He had a crush on a girl
from the Catholic Action group,

and she also had a crush on him.

It seemed they were about
to start a relationship.

On the 21st of September,

the group was going to picnic.

Ivereigh: He passed by
the Basilica in Flores,

which is where the family went.

Rosario Carello: He stops,
because he wanted to confess.

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Ivereigh: Whatever the reason,
he felt in need of help,

he felt anguished or conflicted

and he just found himself
drawn to the Church.

And had an experience
in the confessional

which would change his life.

Rosario Carello: And it is
during this confession

that he received the light,

something inside, which words
cannot explain.

Paredes: He felt the call

that he wanted to be a priest.

Carello:
His beloved mother, Regina

faced with the fact that her son

could become a priest, says:

"No".

Thompson: He was going to study

medicine or science,

and he fell in love with God.

He felt a connection.

And so instead,
he became a Jesuit.

Against his mother's wishes.

Paredes: His mother,

she would never go visit him
at the seminary, never.

♪

♪

Emma Graham:
The Jesuits are committed to

a militant pursuit

of spreading the gospel

in a really beautiful way
that goes out to the world,

and isn't afraid of wearing
their heart on their sleeve.

Randy Boyagoda: They're almost
kind of God's soldiers.

♪

Father Zampini-Davies:
They have education networks,

they have social justice
networks,

and those networks have been
very helpful

in promoting caring for the
earth, and for the poor.

Father Morello: It was an
order that was founded

with the idea of
working in the cities.

Priests engage with the city,
engage with the culture,

working with the poor,
social works, migrants,

abused women,
in jails, in prisons.

So in different places...
where there is

some need to preach the gospel.

Thompson: He studied for
nine years to become a priest.

The Jesuits have a long path.

♪

Carello: On the day of his
priestly ordination;

Jorge Bergoglio would spot
his mother in the front row,

at that point, she would kiss
his consecrated hands

and they would reconcile.

♪ (soft music) ♪

Paredes: I met father
Jorge Maria Bergoglio

at the Jesuit University
of Argentina.

♪

He was a very
serious young teacher,

but his lessons
were truly remarkable.

He will combine literature

with his knowledge for
classical music like operas,

♪ (opera singer performing) ♪

as well as popular music,
like tango.

♪ (tango music) ♪

And he will constantly make
reference to great artists

and paintings from
all over the world.

So that really, to me
was very revealing

as someone who is very special.

Randy Boyagoda: Bergoglio
clearly has gifts,

gifts for leadership
and a certain charisma.

And that led to his becoming
at a very young age,

the local Superior, basically
in charge of the Jesuits

in Argentina during
a very difficult time

in that country's history.

Ivereigh: Argentina at the time,
in the 1970s,

was a profoundly
divided society,

between left and right.

There was a lot of
political violence.

The military was
in and out of power,

and the country really
was in chaos.

Morello: The legitimacy of the
government was evaporating.

Political parties
could not agree.

And the military took
power in March, 1976.

Ivereigh: The army came in
with a plan to stay in power

and to rid Argentina

of the threat of
leftist guerrillas.

Boyagoda: In what is now known
as 'The Dirty War,'

a period of intense conflict
and authoritarian rule.

Ivereigh: It was one of the
most brutal military repressions

in contemporary Western history.

Paredes: Families lost
their children,

because they were abducted
by the military,

because the fear is
that those youngsters

were troublemakers
and Communists.

Morello: The government will
take someone from their homes

and they wouldn't know
where they went.

Ivereigh: From 1976,

all the way through
to the early 80's,

30,000 people lost their lives

or were exiled or disappeared
as a result of this purge.

(church bell sounding)

Boyagoda: The Dirty Wars created

strong tensions
internal to the Church,

between the Church's
longstanding commitment

to serving the poor,

and its longstanding
relationship

with government.

That was the situation that
Bergoglio and other Jesuits

faced in Argentina,
during their dirty wars,

and it was during this period
that two of the young priests

under Bergolio's
supervision were arrested.

♪ (dramatic music) ♪

♪ (suspenseful music) ♪

Ivereigh: Father Jorge
Mario Bergolgio,

at a very young age,
at the age of 36,

was appointed provincial,
that's to say 'head,'

of the local Jesuit
chapter in Argentina,

and of course had to
deal immediately with

this political polarization
and violence.

(sound of gunfire)

Morello: Father Jalics
and Father Yorio

were two priests who
were working in slums

in the city of Buenos Aires.

They working with the people,
supporting human rights,

and critical of the government.

Boyagoda: It could
be very dangerous

to dissent from the state.

Bergoglio was aware of the
possible consequences

of their falling
afoul of the regime.

Ivereigh: To protect them,
these two Jesuits

were basically given the choice,
by Bergoglio,

"either you're a Jesuit
and you obey the Provincial,

or you leave."

And they just simply
ignored Bergoglio.

They decided to stay
in the shanty town

and the army swept in,

just as Bergoglio
had warned them would happen.

And the two Jesuits
were arrested,

and over a period of months,
brutally tortured.

♪

Bergoglio did everything
he could to get them out,

he said, you know, "I need
these two Jesuits returned,

they are not guilty, they are
not involved in terrorism."

And I think it's because of
his interventions,

that they were saved.

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They both resented,
what they saw

as their Provincial
having abandoned them.

Boyagoda: This became a
major issue later

in Bergolio's more
prominent life,

because it was perceived
that he didn't do enough

to defend his priests
against the regime.

(marching footsteps)

Ivereigh:
All serious research shows that

Bergoglio saved dozens
of people from the military,

often at enormous
risk to himself.

He drove people with just a

blanket over their heads
in the backseat,

in order to get them to safety.

You know, had he been pulled
over by the military,

it would have been
curtains for him.

♪ (soft angelic choir) ♪

♪

(church bells sounding)

Ivereigh: In 1979,

Bergoglio becomes a rector

of the Collegial Maximo,

which was the big
Jesuit school of studies

in the town of San Miguel.

And what made his
regime so unique

was how committed it was
to help the poor.

Training projects, job skills
and popular kitchens,

a whole kind of mobilization
of the community,

which the Jesuits
who trained with him,

remember to this day
as being exceptional,

there was nothing
like it with the Jesuits

anywhere else in the world.

♪

Bergoglio was a compelling,
fascinating,

very exciting rector,

but on his own admission,

he could be quite authoritarian,

and his personal charisma
was perhaps too great.

He had too big a hold
on these young men.

Thompson: He clearly was gifted,
because he rose very quickly

within the Jesuits.

But from what
I understand,

his leadership style
divided the order.

Ivereigh: So what happened
between 1986 and 1992,

there was resentment,
and jealousy and suspicion

that he was creating
a personal cult,

that he was trying
to divide the Jesuits,

all the usual
suspicions that happen

when people are
successful, I suppose.

And the new leadership
has had enough.

So they banish him to Cordoba,
a mountain city

in the central west of Argentina
where he had no role.

This was unusual,
to go from being a Provincial,

suddenly to being nothing.

So he would spend
the next 18 months,

in a spiritual desolation,

certainly psychological
depression.

He would take care of the old
people, in the house.

He would hear
people's confessions.

He wrote a lot, he read a lot.

And I guess like all such

experiences of purgation,
it changed him.

It left him much more humble,

much more trusting in God.

I think the Cordoba experience
would ultimatly make him

a much more patient
and gentle leader.

In 1992, he ends
his Cordoba exile,

essentially by
leaving the Jesuits.

The Archbishop of Buenos Aires
at the time,

knew Bergoglio as a man
of enormous potential,

great leadership qualities.

Thompson: So he was brought back

as an auxiliary Bishop
to Buenos Aires.

Paredes: Couple of years later,
Jorge Mario Bergoglio,

was named Archbishop
of Buenos Aires.

Zampini-Davies: When I was in my
first parish it was a rural area

in the Delta of Buenos Aires,
so I was always on a boat.

One day, the engine of the boat
broke down.

We didn't have money
to buy a new boat,

and that means that
we couldn't visit

all the people in the islands.

Suddenly, a new engine came.

And who, who paid for it?

Archbishop Bergoglio!

He knows all the work that we
are doing with the Islanders.

So he paid for the boat
from his own pocket money.

So I knew he was going to
put a lot of emphasis

on the Church that reaches out.

♪

Carello: He decides to visit
and work in those slums,

la Villas miserias,

and the priests from his diocese

start to follow him.

♪

Thompson: He became known as
the 'Bishop of the slums.'

And he would ride
the subway into the slums,

and he would go
and minister to people,

that the Church and society
had forgotten about.

Emma Graham: He is
elevating them into places,

that are traditionally
seen as exclusive,

such as having your
feet washed by him.

Vincenzo Paglia:
He is putting the poor

at the center of his preaching,

of his ministry, and also of his

political and economic choices.

He didn't care for
useless frills.

He lived alone,
he cooked for himself.

He went by bus alone.

It was inconceivable for

the Archbishop of Buenos Aires.

Thompson: Because of
his humility,

he was eventually made
Cardinal of Buenos Aires.

Carello: He was a Cardinal

and he went in those slums
dressed as a priest -

and even then, people said

that he was the most
photographed man,

his picture was already on the
walls of these very poor houses.

Paredes: During that time,
we begin to see

that there are problems
inside the Vatican.

The pontificate of Benedict 16,

one of the greatest
intellectuals

of the Catholic Church.

He was a man of the library.

He loved to study.

He loved to write.

But, he was not
an administrator.

Journalist: On a bright
morning in St. Peter's Square,

the 85 year-old,
Pope Benedict the 16th,

visibly tired of the
demands of the job,

bowed out after almost 8 years

as leader of the
Catholic Church.

He's the first Pope to
retire in 600 years.

Boyagoda: This was a stunning
turn of events,

that created a kind of
unexpected and fresh context

for the election of a new Pope.

Thompson: It is one of
the magnificent rituals

of the Catholic Church,

the conclave that elects
the next Pope.

The Cardinals, all in
their red regalia,

are locked into
the Sistine Chapel,

where they vote on candidates.

Ivereigh: Bergoglio
was on nobody's list,

because he was considered
to be too old,

and he flew below the radar.

Paredes: Bergoglio delivered
an impassionate speech,

saying, let us restore
the Church,

let us go back to

the essentials

of the Faith.

Thompson: At that time, the
Cardinals were looking for

a leader that would respond
to the global Church.

They wanted a Church that was
less focused on Rome

and more focused on the
rest of the world.

Paredes: They began to see,
yes, this man is speaking

to the issues of the
Church of today.

And he has the passion
to address them,

and he was elected the second
day of the conclave,

rather quickly.

Thompson: Standing outside
in St. Peter's Square,

we were watching the smoke and

if it's gray, that's no Pope.

If it's white, that's a Pope.

And when Cardinal Tauran
came out

and announced his name
was Francis...

Cardinal Tauran:
He took the name of Francis.

Thompson: Before he had
even spoken a word,

he had won the hearts
of the Romans,

who had gathered there

by the name he chose,

because they adore
Saint Francis of Assisi.

Paglia: Francis of Assisi is the
best-known Saint in the world.

Pope Francis takes it
as his new name

to highlight the beginning
of a new story.

The story of a Pope who would
have put poverty, environment

and peace at the heart
of his ministry.

Zampini-Davies: He came out
dressed very, very simply.

Pope Francis:
Brothers and sisters,

good evening!.

(crowd cheering)

Zampini-Davies:
And the first words he said was,

"buona sera" - good evening.

And everybody was in shock,
the Pope doesn't say bueno sera!

Rosario Carello:
That "good evening"

was like a sudden spark.

He was welcomed as if

he were a rockstar.

Pope Francis: You know that

the work of the conclave

is to give a Bishop to Rome.

It seems as if my

brother Cardinals

went to find him almost

from the end of the earth,

but we are here"

Thompson: People laughed.
I mean, he kind of told a joke,

when does a Pope tell a joke?

Zampini-Davies:
Imagine, this is the first Pope

coming from Latin America.
We never thought

that an Argentinian
could be a Pope.

A Pope that is not European,

a Pope with a different
experience.

This is a breath of fresh air.

Cruz: I was like,
unbelievable...

from Argentina!

I mean, this is our salvation.

Pope Francis: "First I
want to ask you a favor.

Before the Bishop
blesses the people..."

Thompson: And then he said,
before I bless you

I ask you to pray for me.

Pope Francis: Let us
say this prayer,

your prayer for me, in silence."

Thompson: And he
bowed to the people.

(camera shutters clicking)

All I could hear were the clicks
of the professional cameras.

Rome is one of the noisiest
places in the world,

but at that moment
in St Peter's Square,

it is the silence
that astounds you.

And that was the
first indication

that this was going to be

a different kind of papacy.

(crowd cheering)

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♪ (suspenseful music) ♪

Boyagoda: Following
his election as Pope,

Francis made a point of
paying his own hotel bill.

He didn't want to ride
in the Mercedes,

and instead decided to ride
around in a Ford Focus.

Austen Ivereigh: He was the
outsider who was elected

precisely he was an outsider,
because he was austere,

because he was
known as a reformer.

Boyagoda: Perhaps
most dramatically,

he decided not to live
in the Papal apartments

and instead lives in the
Santa Marta guesthouse,

which by comparison feels
like a modern hotel.

And for someone
like Pope Francis,

he's not going there because
he wants air conditioning,

he's going there because there
are other people there.

There's an opportunity
for communal living,

which is consistent with
his life as a Jesuit.

He made the decision early on,

perhaps to take a more common
touch with the faithful.

Paglia: His first official visit
was at Lampedusa

in Italy.

Boyagoda: Lampedusa
is one of the places,

where migrants from Africa

who were seeking
asylum in Europe

were being received.

Man: Don't jump! Don't jump!

Pope Francis: We are a society

that has forgotten the
experience of shedding tears

that leads to the globalization
of indifference.

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Ivereigh: Francis has put
migration right at the center

of the Catholic
Church's concerns.

It's a matter obviously
dear to his heart

from his own family background.

Carello: Being the grandson of

immigrants in Argentina

who, if they had taken
the previous ship,

as was first planned

they would have shipwrecked on

the journey from
Italy to Argentina,

how could he not feel,
in his own flesh,

the pain of those who are
shipwrecked in the sea?

Many say that what Pope
Francis is doing is politics.

No, it is the Gospel.

Ivereigh: He went to a camp

where people are literally caged

in shocking, shocking
conditions.

♪ (slow dramatic music) ♪

♪

We are talking here
about human beings,

and Francis believes that if

western Christian values
mean anything,

it is that we are always willing

to embrace the stranger in need.

Pope Francis: I decided
to show here this lifejacket

crucified on this cross

to remind us that we must

keep our eyes open

keep our heart open,

to remind everybody

the mandatory effort

to save each human life.

Boyagoda: Francis and the Church
made significant commitments

to the aiding of migrants;

to protect them, to shield them,

to receive them,
when the state won't.

Anne Thompson: When he went
to Lesbos, Greece,

he took three
families from Syria,

twelve people, all Muslim,

brought them to Italy
on the Papal plane.

At that time, he had asked
every parish in Europe

to adopt a migrant family,

to help them find a new life.

And he was showing you

how it could be done.

He changed those 12 lives,

in a way no one could imagine.

Paglia: In such a
conflictual world,

it allows him to change

the course of history.

It recalls the
martyrs' experiences.

Pope Francis is giving his life

for the whole planet.

Boyagoda: I would say that
2015 is a year

where you have a confluence of

major events and responses
from Francis.

And that had to do with Francis'
decision

to address human sexuality,

to address the question of

the role of women in the Church,

to address the situation
of climate change.

♪ (slow music) ♪

♪ ♪

♪ (dramatic violin music) ♪

British reporter: You can't
rebuild the rainforest,

what has been lost here

is the biodiversity
that lived within it.

Greta Thunberg: We are right now
about eleven years away

from that climate breakdown
will become irreversible.

♪

Boyagoda: Popes issue teaching
documents, encyclicals,

throughout their papacies.

About an issue of
pressing significance.

In Francis's case, I'd say the
most important encyclical

that he released,
is called Laudato Si.

Pope Francis:
This is then an appeal

on my side towards
responsibility,

according to the duty
God gave

the human being during creation:

cultivate and look after
the garden

in which He placed Him"

Thompson: Laudato Si brought the

moral authority of the Papacy

to the issue of climate change.

♪ (slow dramatic music) ♪

♪♪♪

Emma Graham: St. Francis of
Assisi was a patron Saint

of animals and ecology and so
in choosing this as his name,

Pope Francis identifies that
care for the environment

and creation is central
to his Papal mission.

Zampini-Davies: What
Pope Francis is talking about is

the life of the planet.

And we are part of it -

human beings.

We are entrusted this by God,

to work with it,
and to take care for it,

to till and to keep,

that is the mandate
of the Bible.

♪ (dramatic music) ♪

♪ ♪

Morello: It's a gamechanger,

not only because of the topic

that changed the social
doctrine of the Church,

but he wrote the document in
consultation with scientists,

so it's a Church document with
a scientific background.

Thompson: It didn't
come out of thin air.

There was real
knowledge and research

behind Laudato Si

gleaned from the
scientific community.

Pope Francis: This home of ours
is being ruined

and that damages everyone,

especially the poor."

Thompson:
What Pope Francis said is,

we have a moral imperative

to address this issue,

because it's impacting

those who are least able

to do something about it.

It's impacting the
poorest of the world.

Boyagoda: We cannot get
right with the earth,

if we don't get right
with each other.

And to get right with
each other means

recognition of
economic injustice.

♪ (dramatic music) ♪

♪ ♪

Ivereigh: It is particularly
the responsibility

of the parts of the world,

which consumes most, generates
therefore most of the damage.

♪

He has this global
perspective that says,

the rich countries are in debt
to the poor countries,

because actually where
the oceans are rising,

where the land is drying up,

where lives are becoming
unsustainable,

is not in the United States
and Europe.

It is in parts of Africa and
South Asia and Latin America.

♪ (dramatic music) ♪

The American right wing
was extremely

worried and disturbed
by the prospect

of the Pope getting behind
the whole ecological question.

Paredes: Here in United States,

some Conservatives are convinced

that he has a hidden agenda,

that he wants to transform

the Church into a liberal camp.

Thompson: Many right wing
Republican politicians

basically told Francis
to stay in his lane,

that he's not a scientist.

Ivereigh: Why doesn't he
stick to religion,

what does the Pope know about
the science of climate change?

(crowd cheering)

But when the encyclical came
out, it was so complete,

so comprehensive, and so reliant
on the best of the science,

that it was actually extremely
hard to question

in terms of its authority.

Announcer: Mr. Speaker,

the Pope of the Holy See.

(cheering/applause)

Thompson: He appealed to
the 'better angels'

of the United States.

(loud applause)

Pope Francis: Now is the time
for courageous

action and strategies,

aimed at implementing
a culture of care

to combating poverty,

restoring dignity
to the excluded,

and at the same time

protecting nature.

(subdued applause)

Thompson: He was saying
to America:

be your best self,

because this is what
the world needs.

(applause)

Greta Thunberg:
Thank you for, for standing up

for the climate
and speaking the truth.

It really...

it means a lot.

Pope Francis: God Bless you.

Continue to work, okay?

Continue. Okay?

Go on. Go ahead!

♪

Paglia: We are facing
a change of times

which also requires the Church

to start a deep,
renewed reflection.

Carello: One day he said,

"What would a world without
women be like?"

And he says,
"It would be a very harsh,

austere world,

without any sign of the Sacred."

Falasca: Women have
never participated

in the decision-making

roles of the Church.

It is not Christian.

Thompson: Church doctrine says,
that women can't be priests.

The problem is half of the
congregation is women.

♪

So what does Francis do?

He makes 5% of the
senior leadership

at the Vatican, women.

Doesn't sound like a lot,

but the Vatican

is the ultimate all-male club

and to make any kind of inroads

in that organization is

very, very difficult.

Graham: Pope Francis
changed Canon law

to allow for women

to serve as
lectors and acolytes.

Thompson: What he's trying
to show is you don't have to

wear a Roman collar

to be a leader in the Church.

That's a really
tough thing to do,

because you're bucking
centuries of tradition.

But he is trying
to do something.

Is it enough? I don't think so.

Cruz: There's miles of things
still to do.

And I think the Church
should be a place

where everybody feels welcome.

Pope Francis: If a person is gay

and seeks the Lord

and has good will,

who am I to judge him?

Paglia: That extraordinary

sentence of Pope Francis,

"Who am I to judge homosexuals?"

In my opinion, it is worth more

than one entire volume

of sexual moral theology.

Ivereigh: He's the first Pope
ever to use the word gay

and that's important because
of the divide between

the Church and the
gay community.

Tatchell:
Many people like myself

are highly skeptical

of the Pope's
statement.

We're concerned that
it's just PR and spin

with no real substance.

That the Pope is
merely trying to

repair the damage

caused by the Vatican's
hardline stance

against women and gay people,

that it is trying to head off
the mass defection of

liberal Catholics
from the Church.

McHale:
I left the Catholic Church

because my senior year
in high school,

I was struggling with
my sexuality, you know,

it wasn't cool to be gay,

especially in the Catholic
Church, it wasn't accepted.

And now I go to a church
where all people are accepted

and loved for who they are.

But now, Pope Francis has at
least acknowledged it,

which is more than I can say
for some in the past.

Thompson: What you're seeing
is a more compassionate tone

towards homosexuals
from Pope Francis.

But the big issue is,

should they be granted

The Sacrament of Marriage
in the Catholic Church?

Paglia: There's no doubt

marriage and family

concern man and woman;

it's a question of producing

the next generation.

Thompson: But Francis
endorses civil unions

for same-sex marriages.

He says, homosexuals shouldn't
be thrown out of their families.

They should have
legal protections.

Paredes: When he made
those pronouncements,

some factions of the Church
got very nervous.

♪

Thompson: Traditional Catholics,

Catholics who have been true
to the Doctrine,

they're kind of like,
'Why are you welcoming

these people, who've
ignored the rules

and the Word of God,

and we followed it all,

we've done it right.'

Ivereigh: There's no question
that under Francis,

there's been a
whole new language

about, and directed to,
gay people.

One of welcome,
of embrace and love,

of unconditional acceptance.

But the Church
wrestles with this.

And there's no question
that the messages

have sometimes been mixed.

Cruz: The Pope was
coming to Chile

in 2018, in January,

and there wasn't the excitement
that you would expect.

Very few people lining up
the streets to welcome him.

Thompson: One of the
disappointments

of Francis' Papacy has been

his initial slow reaction

to the scandal of the
sexual abuse of minors.

Ivereigh: To understand,
in January, 2015,

Pope Francis announced
that he had appointed

a Bishop, Juan Barros,
to be head of the Diocese

in the South of Chile.

And this was met
with tremendous dismay,

because Juan Barros
had been very close

to the serial priest abuser
in Chile,

Fernando Karadima.

Cruz: Fernando Karadima was

one of the most powerful priests

in Chile in the 80's and 90's.

Ivereigh: Karadima was
eventually discovered

to be abusive and was tried
by the Vatican in 2001,

and victims claimed
that Barros

had even witnessed
or been present,

when some of that
abuse took place.

Cruz: I was 15 years-old
when my dad died,

so I was very lost and so,
a family friend said,

'Why don't you go talk to
this wonderful priest,

who's going to help you?'

And it was Fernando Karadima.

He was an awful man and
abused me for eight years.

Chilean Bishops forever
had a culture of abuse,

coverup and clericalism.

So, the Pope was completely
blindfolded

and lied to by the bishops.

Thompson: The Bishops in Chile

had told Francis

that this was not true.

Ivereigh: Francis decided
to believe that

Barros was innocent,

and stuck by him at enormous
costs to his reputation,

particularly among
victims groups,

who simply couldn't understand

why he had made this decision.

Thompson: And so when
he goes to Chile,

he responds very angrily.

He tells reporters, "this is
not true, this is wrong."

It's one of the
few times, I think,

we've really seen
Francis angered.

Cruz: He said victims
or survivors were lying.

I almost died to see the Pope

call me a liar.

Thompson: There is
such a backlash,

that he goes back to Rome

and appoints an investigator
to look into the issue.

Scicluna: I have come to Chile,
sent by Pope Francis

to collect useful information

concerning Juan Barros Madrid,

Bishop of Osorno.

Cruz: Monsignor Scicluna,

who's the top cop in the
Vatican, interviewed me.

I spoke to them for
four and a half hours.

And after my interview,
80 or 90 people

went to speak to them,
to tell them the stories

of abuse in the Chilean Church.

Ivereigh: The priest came back
with a devastating report,

as a result of which,
Francis called the entire

Chilean hierarchy to Rome.

And they presented their
resignations to him en bloc.

And among those of course, whose
resignations he would accept

would be Juan Barros.

♪ (slow dramatic music) ♪

♪ ♪

Cruz: Suddenly, I get a call,

the Pope would like you
to come to the Vatican,

because he's horrified by this.

I couldn't believe it.

I was waiting in the lobby,
and suddenly I see

this white figure
coming towards me and saying,

"Hi, Juan Carlos,

I want to say sorry

for what the Church
has done to you."

Imagine the Pope speaking
to you like that?

I was fighting tears, you know.

Ivereigh: It wasn't the first
time Popes have apologized,

but I think, so heartfelt,

you know, where he just said,
I just got this wrong.

That was certainly unusual.

Thompson: This is what's
extraordinary about Francis.

It's a problem he
denied in Chile,

but learned about,

and realized he was wrong,

and did something about.

However the actions he's taken
are not enough for survivors.

McDonnell: In 1981, I was abused

by ex-priest Francis Trogger.

McDonnell: My parents
were devout Catholics,

and I was one of those

young altar boys.

There were two abusive priests

within the parish.

And they would see who were

the vulnerable children.

I found my anesthetic

in the form of alcohol

at the age of twelve.

And I went through

two failed marriages,

multitude of lost jobs.

It was not until I got sober

at the age of 35

that I disclosed
what had happened to me.

Thompson: In 2018,
a Pennsylvania

Grand Jury report came out,

that found that for decades,
more than 300 priests

had abused over
a thousand children.

The report also laid bare

how much the Church knew,

and that 1,000 figure
was really shocking!

Just shocking!

McDonnell:
Bishops minimized the abuse

and tried to put out those fires

before it reached John Paul,

Benedict and Francis.

I think Francis owes

a visit

back to the United States

to address this issue,

and this issue alone.

♪ (soft dramatic music) ♪

♪

Ivereigh: Francis' response
was to write a letter

confronting clericalism,

the culture of entitlement,

the kind of corruption
that happens

with rock stars
and wealthy people,

where you come to believe
that you are special

and where you fail,
frankly, to realize

when you're exploiting people.

Thompson: He organizes the first

sex abuse summit in 2019,

which brings Bishops

from all around the world

to hear about this problem.

And it's the first time the
Catholic Church has said,

this is a global problem

that we must do something about.

McDonnell: But the U.S. Catholic
Conference of Bishops

are rebelling and not
really taking to heart

what Francis has to say.

The Bishops here are

still policing themselves,

and we see the results

of what happens when an
institution polices themselves.

Grand jury reports
tell us that story.

Thompson: The first thing
people look at

in the Catholic Church say,
'Well, priests are celibate.

So, if there wasn't celibacy,

then there wouldn't be

the abuse of minors.'

That's not true.

There's a sickness in someone,

that makes them abuse a child.

In June 2021,

Francis issues new,

major revisions to the Church's
policies around sex abuse.

And they include
removing the discretion

that had allowed Bishops
and religious superiors

to ignore or cover up abuse.

Now anyone in a position of
authority within the Church,

both priest and the laity

will be held responsible

if they fail to properly
investigate

or sanction predator priests.

If the Bishops don't report
sex crimes to the Church,

now the bishops can
be removed from office.

These are the most
extensive revisions

to Catholic Church Law
in four decades.

♪ (slow music) ♪

♪ ♪

Emma Graham: In the first and
second chapters of Genesis,

we learn that,

humanity is created in the
image and likeness of God.

Humanity is so diverse.

♪ ♪

Each of us image God
in a unique way.

♪ ♪

And so the Church cannot be

an effective image of God
in the world,

if the Church does not reflect

that diversity of humanity.

♪ (slow piano music) ♪

♪ ♪

Randy Boyagoda:
He has selected Cardinals

from outside the normal regions,

widened the sense of who is
involved in, kind of,

contributing to the leadership
of the worldwide Church.

Father Spadaro: Cardinal
Gregory is now Cardinal,

Archbishop of Washington.

He plays a very important
leadership role.

He comes from a community never
very relevant in the Church.

A prophetic sign for the future

of the whole Church in the USA.

♪ (dramatic music) ♪

Morello: I think it's inspiring
for people

in Africa or in Asia saying,

'Okay, we should have
a world theology.

We should be able to name God
with our own stories,

with our own narratives.

And I think Latin American
Catholicism has been doing that.

(crowd chanting)

Paredes: It is a source of joy

to see that finally,

our Church is breaking away

from being Euro-centered.

And is looking to the south,

and is looking around the world.

Spadaro:
A thing that strikes me,

when I follow Francis
on his travels,

is his desire to create

not only a brotherhood.

His speeches aren't exclusively
addressed to the Christians.

♪ (slow piano music) ♪

♪

Ivereigh: When he went
to Iraq and

sat with Al Sistani,

the revered figure of
the Sunni Muslim world,

they made a common declaration,
committing themselves

to respecting each other's
rights and peace.

♪

One of the things that Francis
has sought to confront is

the way in which
Islamic terrorism

has provoked a nationalist
populous reaction.

Francis has broken through that

by forming an alliance with

the leading Muslims
in this world,

in which they stand together
and declare

that both Christianity
and Islam

believe in a God of peace

and a God of love,
and therefore,

terrorism is unacceptable,
but so too is xenophobia,

and that kind of
instrumentalization of religion.

Pope Francis: It is my duty
to build bridges

and to help all men and women,

in any way possible,

to do the same.

(polite applause)

Graham: Pope or,
Pontifex means a bridge.

And so the Pope is a bridge
between God and the people.

Thompson: What Francis
has done is he has

stripped away the issues
and controversies, if you will,

and brought the Catholic Church

to the basic message of Jesus.

♪

Ivereigh: And by
focusing so relentlessly

on love and mercy, where he
really has changed the game,

by going to the
heart of the gospel.

Zampini-Davies:
It was a sign of God that

the Cardinals elected a person
with these characteristics.

It was Providence.

Ivereigh: He's gracious,
he trusts you,

he gives you freedom,
but then he works really hard

to make sure that you succeed.

And I think that's a wonderful
definition of a great leader.

Cruz: I think he will leave
a mark in the Church,

of more openness,

of more humanity.

Cruz: I've never seen someone
so understanding,

so loving, so amazing,
like Pope Francis.

♪ ♪