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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,560 [suspenseful music playing] 2 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:17,200 [man] So, when I was a kid, my grandfather brought home a shotgun. 3 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,040 And I remember the first thought that went through my head 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,800 was, "Damn, it would be so much easier in life 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,600 if I were to just kill her and get this over with." 6 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:35,040 But it was just a thought. 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,120 You know, it was just… It was just a thought. 8 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:41,480 [suspenseful music continues] 9 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,640 [man] I wish I could go back and tell me not to do it. 10 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,240 To literally do probably just about anything else but that. 11 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,400 And I hate that it's ended up impacting so many people in so many negative ways. 12 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,040 Especially Ashley. 13 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,560 [Ashley] The loss of our victim's life weighs heavy on me. 14 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,520 And I don't think I've gotten over what happened to this day, fully. 15 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,560 But I'm not really a murderer. 16 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,320 And it's a… title I have to carry for the rest of my life now. 17 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,000 [music swells] 18 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,000 [music fades] 19 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,240 [theme song playing] 20 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,000 [man 1] I think we could all be dangerous people. 21 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,480 [man 2] People say you're a monster. 22 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,840 [man 3] I'm not sitting here saying I'm innocent. 23 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,560 [man 4] I just murdered some guy in cold blood. 24 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,440 [theme song fades] 25 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,800 [rain pattering] 26 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,440 [uneasy music playing] 27 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,320 [man] When someone knocks on your door after midnight, 28 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,880 something is not right. 29 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,480 My wife was concerned. 30 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,120 And thinking back on it, she was probably correct. 31 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,880 When I opened the door, I had a young couple standing there. 32 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,000 They were cold, and they were wet. 33 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,800 They told me that they'd had some car problems. 34 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,600 So I… I told them I'd drive them a couple miles down the road 35 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,160 to where they were going. 36 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,520 [dramatic sting] 37 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,000 What happened after that was totally beyond my comprehension. 38 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,120 I… I couldn't have imagined that, uh, they were even capable of that. 39 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,400 [police siren sounds] 40 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,120 [music fades] 41 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,560 [suspenseful music playing] 42 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,360 [Ashley] My name is Ashley Morrison, and I was sentenced to 30 years. 43 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,600 I was 17 when I got arrested. 44 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,000 [Christian] My name is Christian Sims. 45 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,720 I have a 35-year sentence for first-degree murder. 46 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,600 I was 16 when I was arrested. 47 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,360 [Christian] I've had a lot put on me in my life. 48 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,560 It was just too much. 49 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,480 I just couldn't take it anymore. 50 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,480 I me… Everybody has their breaking point, and I think that was mine. 51 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,440 [Ashley] When I look back, 52 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,800 I feel, like, this really big sense of loss. 53 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,760 And always that question of just, like, 54 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:53,840 "What if?" 55 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,000 [music fades] 56 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,720 [hopeful guitar music playing] 57 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,760 [Ashley] We moved to Texas when I was 11. 58 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:22,840 It was a small town. 59 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,560 They have generations that have grown up there. 60 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:33,400 At the school that we went to, 61 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,560 I was always really quiet and shy. 62 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,120 I was very insecure. 63 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,240 So, yeah, I guess I was kind of a nerd. 64 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,760 I definitely had bullies. 65 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,440 But band gave my life a purpose. 66 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,360 I was actually able to be a leader in my section. 67 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,160 Almost all of my friends were in band, yeah. 68 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,040 Me and Christian met 'cause we both played the clarinet. 69 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,600 And at first, he was very standoffish. 70 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,760 He didn't talk to anybody, he didn't have any friends. 71 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,280 Um… 72 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,800 And I remember liking the mystery of it, 73 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:30,080 where he gave off this impression of being somebody that was not… 74 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,200 Like, almost untouchable because nobody really knew anything about him. 75 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,840 It drew me more to him. 76 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,120 [music fades] 77 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,560 [Christian] As… As a teenager, I mean, I… I was fairly introverted. 78 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,160 I was living with my grandparents, 79 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,560 and if I'm just being perfectly honest, I hated it. 80 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,440 It was not enjoyable. 81 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,960 My grandmother was not very… 82 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,560 How do I put this? 83 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,280 She was very heavy-handed. 84 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,040 She, if I'm just being honest, 85 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,120 went out of her way to, uh, destroy quite a few friendships that I had formed. 86 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,080 So I just never allowed myself to get very close with people, 87 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,040 because I'd intentionally always set myself apart. 88 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,240 But with Ashley, you can say that she finally made me feel accepted. 89 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,400 I was in sixth grade when I met Ashley Morrison. 90 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,640 She was in seventh grade. 91 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:33,760 [laughs] 92 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:35,680 Uh… 93 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,480 I mean, she was a pretty girl. 94 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,600 I don't know if you would call it chemistry. 95 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,400 It was funny. We had some sort of rivalry going on. 96 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,040 She ended up texting me, and it kind of just went from there. 97 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,520 [Ashley] As I did get to know him, Christian told me about 98 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:00,880 how he had gotten adopted by, um, his grandparents 99 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,440 because of his home life not being okay, 100 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,640 his parents not being able to take care of him. 101 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,920 And that's why he never felt like he belonged. 102 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:17,280 He told me about his grandparents and how he wasn't really happy. 103 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,720 [pensive music playing] 104 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,840 Me and my mom didn't have the best relationship either. 105 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,400 But he made me feel like I had finally met somebody who understood me. 106 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:36,360 And it was so nice to feel completely just understood for once in my life. 107 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,120 That, um, I think in that moment, 108 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,040 is the moment that I fell in love with him. 109 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:48,360 We were obsessed with each other. 110 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Looking back, it wasn't even like I was myself. 111 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,800 I was like an extension of him. 112 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,360 Like, it didn't matter what I wanted, what I thought. 113 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,520 Like, everything and anything for him. And I was okay with that. 114 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,800 [Christian] It ended up sparking pretty quickly. 115 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,720 I mean, we would see each other every day. 116 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,960 I guess because I fell in love 117 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,600 or whatever it may have been, I ended up letting her in, 118 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:17,200 ended up getting close to her, talking with her about stuff 119 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,680 that I didn't talk with anybody about, you know. 120 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,120 Most likely, that… that was what was drawing us closer together. 121 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,400 We were trying to find comfort in each other. 122 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,920 [Ashley] So, one night, me and my mom got into a really bad argument. 123 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,240 And, um, my very first instinct was to tell Christian, 124 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,520 because he'd protect me. He'd be there for me. 125 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,280 He and I got together, and we fabricated a story 126 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,680 for him to be able to move in with me, 127 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,840 because I thought that he'd be able to protect me. 128 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,480 [pensive music playing] 129 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,680 [Ashley] At first, it was great. 130 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:20,480 But I didn't know about his mental health until he moved in with me and my family. 131 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,560 I don't really think I fully comprehended it. 132 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,840 Little things would make him so angry. 133 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,960 He'd get angry around my sisters, 134 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,000 especially the youngest one, who was only three at the time. 135 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:43,200 And he had guns in the house, um, that he had brought with him. 136 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,960 It made it scary. 137 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,760 [Christian] At first, it was great. 138 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,200 Uh, I obviously didn't have my grandmother there making my life hell. 139 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,440 But it just seemed like the more time went on, 140 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,480 the less smooth things started to go. 141 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,440 And it just seemed like everything just kept tumbling and getting worse and worse. 142 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,400 And I just wanted to get away from it. 143 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,760 And suddenly just, like, you know, it's, "Fuck it. I'm just gonna leave." 144 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,720 I ended up telling Ashley, "Hey, uh, I don't know if you wanna come with me, 145 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,360 but I'm leaving." 146 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,840 And she said, "I wanna come with you." 147 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:23,960 I told her… 148 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,640 [softly] Well… 149 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,640 Anyway, she ended up deciding to come with me. 150 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,440 [Ashley] We had one plan, which was to run away together. 151 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,160 Typical teenager stuff. 152 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,520 But it transformed. 153 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,320 He mentioned wanting to kill his grandparents, 154 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,880 steal everything from them, 155 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,920 go start our own life. No rules, no authorities. 156 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,160 I wasn't okay with that. 157 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,000 Did I believe him? Not really. 158 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,760 But I just remember at that point, like, I wasn't really happy anymore 159 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,080 being with him. 160 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,560 [voice breaking] But he brought my family into it and threatened them. 161 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:24,120 When he said, "Well, if I just take away the reason that you would not go with me, 162 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,280 then you're gonna go with me one way or the other." Basically, regardless. 163 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,760 At that point, it didn't matter whether I believed it or not, 164 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,480 because I wasn't gonna take the risk 165 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:39,560 of not believing he was capable of something like that and being wrong. 166 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,640 [unsettling music playing] 167 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,720 I honestly don't remember how that day started. 168 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,160 I remember packing my bags… 169 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:02,560 and my mom coming into the bedroom and asking what was going on. 170 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,680 And I… I remember crying and telling her, like, 171 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,000 "I have to get out of the house. Like, we're moving out. Like, we're leaving." 172 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,560 And as I went to go out the door, my mom shoved me out. 173 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,960 She took my keys. She took my phone. 174 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,480 I wasn't coming back. I was… 175 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,320 [voice breaking] I was done in that family. 176 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,920 [uneasy music playing] 177 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,400 [rain pattering] 178 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,200 [Ashley] So, we started walking. 179 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,160 It was nighttime. 180 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,040 We walked for a long time. 181 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,560 We eventually got to a house… 182 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:51,960 where… we knocked on the door and asked for a ride. 183 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,920 This man gave us a ride 184 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,720 to somewhere in the vicinity of Christian's grandparents' house. 185 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,720 [music builds] 186 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,240 [Christian] We go to my aunt's house. 187 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,760 Uh, the door was locked. 188 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,480 I end up popping the screen off, opening the window. We go inside. 189 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,400 So I go looking through the house. I end up finding the gun. 190 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,600 I check all the rounds, load it back up. 191 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,240 Tell Ashley, "Hey, I'm going to be back in, like, 15 minutes. Just wait here." 192 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:45,280 And I leave. 193 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,800 [suspenseful music playing] 194 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,600 [dramatic sting] 195 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,480 [Christian] I go up to my grandparents' house. 196 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,120 I can see my grandmother in the house. 197 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,520 I grab some rocks out of the gravel driveway. 198 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,000 And, uh, 199 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,080 I threw the rocks at the washtub on the back, trying to get her to come out. 200 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,480 [softly] I don't know, man. This is… 201 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,680 [sighs] So, 202 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,920 she came out. As soon as she looked at me, I shot. 203 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,000 [dramatic music playing] 204 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,480 I ended up walking up to her. 205 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,680 She was still shaking. 206 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,840 So, I was thinking, "Well, she may still be alive." 207 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,920 So, I put another one in the back of her head. 208 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,760 [music swells] 209 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,880 "I fucked up." [chuckles] 210 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,160 That was the first thing that went through my head. "I fucked up." 211 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,600 "What have I done?" 212 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,640 [Ashley] He came back and was… manic. 213 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,680 I mean, I knew something wasn't right, that something was wrong in that moment. 214 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,720 He was waving the gun around, 215 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,200 talking about, "Hurry, get our stuff, get in the car," 216 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,760 screaming at me because I wasn't moving fast enough. 217 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,480 I was confused. 218 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,600 He told me that he had killed his grandma. 219 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:41,760 [dramatic sting] 220 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,680 I don't really think I fully comprehended it in that very first moment 221 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,560 or even the moment after that. 222 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:56,160 He had told me, but, like I said, I didn't really believe him. 223 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,600 I don't really know which moment my brain decided to shut down 224 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,880 in the process of everything. 225 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,320 It was like a reality I wasn't gonna face. 226 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:12,240 What he said to do, I did without hesitation. 227 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,240 I never thought to save myself. 228 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Um… 229 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,920 And I… I just… I don't know why I never thought to do that. 230 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,720 [suspenseful music builds] 231 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,840 [dramatic sting] 232 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,680 [suspenseful music swells, then fades] 233 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,400 [uneasy violin music playing] 234 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,000 [Christian] I told an officer immediately it was all me. She had nothing to do. 235 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,240 You know, if I'm just being honest, she's an innocent bystander in all this. 236 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:17,520 Like, she… 237 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,840 She definitely doesn't… doesn't deserve to be locked up for some… 238 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,920 for my mistake, you know? 239 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,040 [violin music intensifies] 240 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,520 [music fades] 241 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,920 [hopeful guitar music playing] 242 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,320 [man] There's no real words to describe 243 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,640 what it feels like to wake up one morning 244 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,760 knowing you've sat next to a murderer on the school bus. 245 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,200 To this day, it's still difficult to wrap my head around. 246 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,560 But I think that, 247 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,160 had Ashley not been in the picture, this wouldn't have happened to begin with. 248 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,120 My name is Eric Shelton, 249 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,440 and I went to school with Ashley Morrison and Christian Sims. 250 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,560 [guitar music fades] 251 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,840 I've known Christian for probably 12, 13 years. 252 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,840 I would describe Christian as… a private person. 253 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,920 You could tell that he was a very intelligent kid. 254 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,320 Um, smart, he was studious. 255 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,080 Um… He just wasn't the most outgoing. 256 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,720 [pensive guitar music playing] 257 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,800 There is no question that Christian was dealing with some demons from his past. 258 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,320 But he made good grades in school, 259 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,400 and you could tell just by talking to him that he had a future, 260 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,680 he had a plan, he was going somewhere. 261 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:09,560 Ashley was a year older than Christian and I. 262 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,800 [uneasy music playing] 263 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,720 And when you're in high school, a one-year age difference is huge. 264 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,560 The power dynamic between them was, 265 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,360 if she walked, he kissed the ground she walked on. 266 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,640 If Ashley asked Christian to jump off of a cliff, 267 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,160 not only would he do it, but he would ask her what he should wear when he does it. 268 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,760 It's hard to speak on what happens behind closed doors, 269 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,040 'cause obviously I don't know 100%. 270 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:40,840 But I saw what their relationship was like. 271 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,240 What she wanted, went. 272 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:47,080 But all of a sudden, when something bad happens, 273 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,280 of this nature, 274 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,080 that is punishable, 275 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,360 she says she has no participation at all whatsoever. 276 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,640 That's what sticks out to me. 277 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,680 [woman] From the beginning, we looked at this as a case 278 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,480 that there were two individuals involved. 279 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,080 But one of the difficult things for me is, you know, why did this happen? 280 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,560 To me, there was no clear motive. 281 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,840 My name is Jill Drake, 282 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,520 and I was an assistant district attorney here in Lamar County, Texas, 283 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,680 when this murder was committed. 284 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,520 [pensive guitar music playing] 285 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,320 I was involved with the case from the beginning. 286 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,800 When the call came in and we learned that it was the Sims family, 287 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,640 we all said, "Oh my goodness, Christian Sims, 288 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,080 he was a victim in a case previously." 289 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,760 And, kind of, the memories started flooding back. 290 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:08,160 Christian had been a victim of a child physical abuse case way back in '06. 291 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,520 It was quite a horrific case. 292 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:19,240 His mother's boyfriend had physically and potentially sexually abused Christian Sims 293 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,600 when Christian was eight years old. 294 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,400 [Christian, on recording] My mother ended up getting with some guy. 295 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,280 His name was Anthony Trenton Barbour. I remember his name. 296 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,200 I don't know. It's kind… It's kind of difficult to talk about. 297 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,200 He was just what you would call demented. 298 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,000 There's quite a few different things that ended up happening. 299 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,960 I mean, there's beatings, diff… different things like that. 300 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,600 I was scared, I would piss the bed. 301 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,200 And one of his remedies for that is that he would take a clothespin 302 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,480 and he would put it on, you know, my privates. 303 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,760 I… I guess you could call it sexual in nature. 304 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,280 [Jill Drake] As a child abuse prosecutor, it's very difficult for me to hear 305 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:12,920 the things that Christian says happened to him, some of which I know are true. 306 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,920 [voice breaking] And it hurts me to hear that. 307 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,520 It was just a horrible situation for this child to be in. 308 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,120 [pensive, soft music playing] 309 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,200 His grandparents, they were a very well-known and well-respected family. 310 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,000 And, you know, did the best they could and gave him a home. 311 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,960 But this child was going to have PTSD. 312 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,320 He was going to have to work through these issues 313 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,200 throughout the rest of his adolescence. 314 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,120 And we hoped that being in the loving home with the Sims, 315 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,840 um, that he would get that help. 316 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,760 [Christian, on recording] I move in with my grandparents. 317 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,080 And, uh, pardon my French, but fuck it. 318 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,440 [chuckles] I might as well just go ahead and talk about it. Uh… 319 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,160 You're not supposed to speak ill of the dead, 320 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,720 but my grandmother was definitely the worst, 321 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,760 most poisonous person that I've ever met. 322 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,160 My grandmother mentally, physically, and sexually abused me. 323 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,680 Uh, she would come in late at night. 324 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,400 She'd do pretty much the same thing Trent would do, except 325 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,920 instead of beating me and stuff, she's trying to cause me pain in other ways. 326 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,600 She would, uh, grab my privates and twist. 327 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,560 I don't know, she was just real… sadistic with the things that she would do. 328 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,400 Far worse than Trent. 329 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,960 [dramatic sting] 330 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,760 [Jill Drake] Well, that was very interesting. [sighs] 331 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,960 It's the first time I've heard any allegations of this nature. 332 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,680 I hate to discount when I hear a person say that they were abused. 333 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,800 I can tell you, I'm… I'm not sure I believe it. 334 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,640 If his grandmother had done something to him to make him kill her, 335 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:34,320 then it sure would've been important for him to tell his lawyer that at a trial. 336 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000 [pensive piano music playing] 337 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:57,600 [Jill Drake] It's shocking to me to hear Christian say his grandmother abused him. 338 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,520 If… If that had come out, 339 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,280 we certainly would've investigated that further and taken that into consideration. 340 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,080 That's what we do. Prosecutors seek justice. 341 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,040 But he pointed a gun at her and shot her in the cheek, 342 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:13,880 shot her right in the face. 343 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,000 And, to me, 344 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,400 that is… his way of making himself feel better 345 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,600 that he's in prison for killing her. 346 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,680 [music continues] 347 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,480 [music fades] 348 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,280 [sheep bleat] 349 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,200 [woman] My mom was the best mom that you could ever have. 350 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,840 Just very giving and loving. 351 00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:00,240 For Christian to even say that my mom would've ever mistreated him 352 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,240 is a complete outrage. 353 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,520 It's just another stab in the heart, 354 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,040 a stab in the back, that 355 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:15,560 my parents did all this for you, and then this is how you react. 356 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,040 I'm Laurie Geer, 357 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,200 and my mom was Annie Lois Sims. 358 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,000 [soft music playing] 359 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,240 [sucks teeth] 360 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,440 Um, here's a photo of my mom and dad, 361 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,000 and this would have been probably right after church. 362 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,080 There's my mom in the kitchen. 363 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,600 Yeah. 364 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,080 I wish I could call her today and ask her some cooking questions. 365 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,880 [pensive, guitar music playing] 366 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,840 When my parents first took Christian in, 367 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,320 it was 100%, you know, "This is what we need to do." 368 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,400 And there's no way in hell that my mom would have ever mistreated him. 369 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,880 That's not who she was, and that's never anything she would have ever done. 370 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,640 They, um, raised him like they did my brother and I. 371 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,720 But he had been through a horrific thing, 372 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,000 and so they tried to get him the help that he needed and the counseling, 373 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,120 and then provide a stable, you know, loving home 374 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,240 to help support from that side of things. 375 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,880 So, there was nothing that… that he would've needed that he didn't get. 376 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,760 [uneasy music playing] 377 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:37,840 The first time I found out about Ashley was when they went to prom together, 378 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,800 and I saw the pictures. 379 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:47,080 You know, you could tell from the picture that he was, you know, really into her. 380 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,040 But once Ashley came along, uh, Christian, you know, totally changed. 381 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,200 [soft music playing] 382 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,320 He became, you know, rebellious and argumentative, and, 383 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,440 you know, th… that kind of stuff. 384 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,680 I just don't believe that Christian would've done anything like this 385 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,040 if it weren't for meeting and being in a relationship with Ashley. 386 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,240 I hate Ashley Morrison. 387 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,800 You're not supposed to hate people, but I do. 388 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,160 Uh, I believe Ashley is just as guilty as Christian, 100%. 389 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,120 She just thought she could do whatever she wanted, 390 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,400 and that she wasn't gonna have to, you know, pay the consequence. 391 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,600 I knew Ashley had changed her story. 392 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,320 I think she's very manipulative. 393 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,640 [pensive guitar music playing] 394 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,800 [man] When you go into an interview, you hope for the best outcome. 395 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,080 And when I was going to interview Ashley, I was hoping that she would tell me 396 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,800 100% the truth about everything that happened 397 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,640 and answer every possible question I had. 398 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,400 But do I ever get what I want? No. 399 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,960 My name is Stacy McNeal. 400 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,120 I'm a Texas Ranger assigned to Paris, Texas. 401 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,320 When I first met Ashley, 402 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,520 my initial impression of her was 403 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,760 she looked like a typical 17-year-old high school student, 404 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,320 maybe a little bit on the immature side. 405 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,800 She spoke very freely and openly, 406 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,600 and she chose to go ahead and speak with me 407 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,920 outside the presence of her attorney. 408 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,640 She denied having any knowledge, at that time, 409 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,120 of Christian's grandmother even being dead. 410 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,200 And she made a statement 411 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,680 that Christian did not have a rifle when he'd left the house. 412 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,000 Ashley was saying, 413 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,760 "I'm just a poor, frightened girlfriend 414 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,440 that was afraid that Christian was gonna do something to my family 415 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,080 if I didn't just go along with him." 416 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,760 [dramatic music playing] 417 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,480 In the second interview, 418 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,360 she's trying to keep from implicating herself in a criminal offense. 419 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,040 But what she actually ends up doing 420 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,280 is implicating herself more thoroughly. 421 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,040 In the second interview, she's changed a lot of vital information. 422 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,920 She admitted to helping Christian load a rifle. 423 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,360 This was the first time that she admitted that Christian had a weapon when he left. 424 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,600 And then Ashley admitted that Christian had told her 425 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,200 it was his intent to go out to the residence 426 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,400 and kill both Mike and Annie Lois Sims. 427 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,760 She told no one, she took no action. 428 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,160 She didn't do anything to try to prevent this. 429 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,160 They were working together, in concert, to commit this offense. 430 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,040 No doubt you're a party to this. You're a defendant. You're a murderer. 431 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,160 [uneasy music playing] 432 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,600 [Jill Drake] You might think, "Okay. Well, you can't charge me with murder 433 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,960 unless I was the person who was the shooter." 434 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,280 Well, in Texas, if you help in any manner in the commission of a crime, 435 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,880 you are a principal. 436 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,040 You are the one who did it, whether you pulled the trigger or not. 437 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,800 And we believed Ashley Morrison aided Christian 438 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,000 before, during, and after the crime. 439 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,520 [music fades] 440 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,200 [soft piano music playing] 441 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,240 [Jill Drake] One of the key pieces of evidence at trial 442 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,400 were the text messages between Ashley Morrison and Christian Sims. 443 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:53,200 These are text messages that were on December 16th, 2014, 444 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,320 which would be two days before the murder. 445 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,120 Christian, "I'm going to my grandparents' and robbing them blind." 446 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,280 "I guess we will have to start early." 447 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,800 Ashley, "Yeah, without a car or money." 448 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,600 "Or yeah, all of those with my grandparents." 449 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,880 Ashley, "Yeah, I guess so." 450 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,120 Christian, "We could do it tonight." 451 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,240 Ashley, "I don't know if she's gonna let me go or not." 452 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,360 "Especially if Dad gets involved." 453 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,880 "Well, they can fuck off. I will kill your dad." 454 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,120 "Okey dokey." 455 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,920 As a result of these text messages, 456 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,920 it was very clear for us that they planned to leave, 457 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,080 they were gonna rob grandparents blind, 458 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,680 they were gonna kill whomever they needed. 459 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,240 It's all right there. 460 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,160 "I'm gonna kill your dad." "Okey dokey." 461 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:41,400 What was that? 462 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,200 She's… She's a participant. 463 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,720 [music fades] 464 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,720 [Ashley, on recording] I pled not guilty, 'cause I didn't feel that I was. 465 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,440 I thought that the truth was gonna get put out there, 466 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,360 and they were gonna see… 467 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,040 [voice breaks] Like, they were just gonna see me. 468 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,400 And, um, 469 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,560 that just everything was gonna be okay, and I was gonna be able to go home. 470 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,520 But they said, because I never reported him before it happened, 471 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,480 after he told me what he wanted to do, 472 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,320 I was just as guilty as if I had pulled the trigger, 473 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,840 even though I wasn't the one that pulled the trigger. 474 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:35,200 I didn't know that he was actually able to kill his grandmother. 475 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,960 I mean, he had told me, 476 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:43,320 but, like I said, I didn't really believe him. 477 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,920 [Christian] I understand the things that we had talked about and whatnot, 478 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,560 but those are just the ravings of somebody who was angry and hurt, you know? 479 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,280 I mean, just, what kind of… what kind of 17-year-old girl is gonna think 480 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,320 that her 16-year-old boyfriend's actually gonna do that, you know? 481 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,080 I mean, who could… who could reasonably expect that? 482 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,960 [pensive music playing] 483 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,400 Honestly, I feel like it's a bit unjust. 484 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,520 [on recording] Because in my mind, when I look back, 485 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,600 I don't think there was anything I could have done to have saved her. 486 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,520 [Jill Drake] I hear Ashley saying that she feels like it's unjust. 487 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,240 But we charged her, and she was convicted. 488 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,400 That's all there is to it. 489 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,440 This is just Ashley Morrison rewriting what happened in her own mind 490 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,560 so she can live with herself. 491 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,080 To me, it's an excuse. 492 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,800 It's just something for her to say at this point 493 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,360 to make her feel better about the fact that she willingly went with him. 494 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,120 [uneasy violin music playing] 495 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,280 [man] At the trial, the prosecutors said 496 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:25,360 that Ashley Morrison was a party to the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. 497 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,680 But the key piece of evidence that I'm concerned with 498 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,480 is Christian Sims' statement. 499 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,160 "It was all me. She didn't have anything to do with it." 500 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,080 [soft piano music playing] 501 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,080 My name is Roland Mosher, 502 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,840 and I am an attorney in the state of Texas. 503 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,720 I practice criminal defense, and I did most of the work on Ashley's appeal. 504 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,000 [keyboard keys clacking] 505 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,760 I think that there is a sense 506 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,520 in which Ashley was associated with Christian Sims' actions. 507 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,480 She didn't call the police. 508 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,280 She didn't refuse to get in the car with him. 509 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,760 She went with him. 510 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:23,640 But there's enough of a case to be made that Ashley was coerced. 511 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,560 It's critical to the assumption of the law of parties 512 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,600 that you be a willing participant. 513 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,720 And if you're being coerced, you're not a willing participant. 514 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,440 The state's case, essentially, is that Ashley, a 17-year-old girl, 515 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:46,160 didn't go out of her way to… disagree with or interfere with 516 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:51,440 her demonstrably emotionally unstable and homicidal boyfriend. 517 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,120 But if your crazy boyfriend comes to your front door and says, 518 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,360 "I'm gonna leave and you're coming with me and I'm gonna murder people today," 519 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,240 it's very reasonable to conclude that, if you do something to offend him 520 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,560 or if your family does something to upset him, 521 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,920 that… they'll be next. 522 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,840 [pensive music playing] 523 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,800 [pensive music continues] 524 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,160 [woman] The person who's responsible for this matter is Chris, 525 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,080 not Ashley. 526 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,280 I think when people vilify Ashley, 527 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,680 it's partially because there's intent that's attributed to her 528 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,080 that I don't believe is at all accurate. 529 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,120 My name is Rycke Marshall. I'm a clinical psychologist. 530 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,040 I did an evaluation with Ashley Morrison. 531 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,400 And I have Ashley's full permission to discuss this case. 532 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:19,760 I met with Ashley on four separate occasions for a total of 12 hours. 533 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,240 She was friendly, but she was traumatized. 534 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,120 Almost childlike, in some respects. 535 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:34,280 And she's someone who could be easily manipulated. 536 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,920 For an adolescent to be interviewed by police, without an attorney present, 537 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,160 would be terrifying. 538 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,840 It's not a level playing field. 539 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,920 And I don't think it's surprising at all if her story changed. 540 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,240 Chris said, 541 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,960 "I could kill both your parents, 542 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,160 and I could make it look like a murder-suicide." 543 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,480 [dramatic sting] 544 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,800 It seemed like a very real threat to her, 545 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,960 so she had no choice but to go. 546 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,080 You know, it was Chris's plan. 547 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,960 It was his actions. It was his thoughts. 548 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,800 It wasn't what she wanted. 549 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,720 I just hate it when I think somebody's being treated unfairly. 550 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,080 And I think she would have a good chance of a different result 551 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,720 if she were tried again. 552 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,600 But, unfortunately, that's not what happened. 553 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,640 [soft, dramatic music playing] 554 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,000 [pensive guitar music playing] 555 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,200 [Ashley] So I changed my plea to guilty during my second trial 556 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,040 because… I was guilty. 557 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,440 And I am guilty. 558 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,000 Regardless of my frame of mind, 559 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,280 regardless of the fact that my family was threatened, 560 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,680 [voice breaking] regardless of those things, like, I had a choice. 561 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,840 I could've made the choice to try to stop him. 562 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,600 I could have made the choice to get help. 563 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,560 And I do take responsibility for my choices. 564 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,600 I don't know if I could have stopped it, 565 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,240 but a really big part of me wishes that I had just tried. 566 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,040 [music fades] 567 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,200 I was given 30 years all over again. 568 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:19,600 Honestly, it feels unjust, when I did not commit the murder. 569 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,240 That's me speaking from my point of view. 570 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,920 That's me speaking… from watching my life slip through my fingers. 571 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,800 But now it's my opportunity to tell the truth. 572 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,640 My interviews with police, I was terrified. [chuckles] 573 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,320 But I remember very distinctly thinking to myself, 574 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,960 "They'd never believe me if I tell them the truth of what really happened." 575 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,800 I wanted to paint things in a better light. 576 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,720 But I just wished that I had told the truth from the beginning, 577 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,440 because now it will always be a question of, "Well, what really was the truth?" 578 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,800 [Stacy McNeal, on recording] When I was gonna interview Ashley, 579 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,000 between the first and the second interview, 580 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,960 she'd changed a lot of vital information. 581 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,800 She admitted to helping Christian load a rifle. 582 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,080 And then Ashley admitted that Christian had told her 583 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,560 it was his intent to kill both Mike and Annie Lois Sims. 584 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,480 [Ashley] I did not go to his grandparents' house. 585 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,600 I did not commit the murder. 586 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:42,080 And, in my mind, I was never helping him load the rifle. 587 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,320 There was a bunch of bullets on the ground, 588 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,400 and he wanted me to pick the bullets up and count them back to him. 589 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,440 And that's simply all I did. 590 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,680 I mean, obviously, looking back now, 591 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,560 there's no way I couldn't think that he was gonna go harm somebody, right? 592 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,800 That's what everybody thinks. But at the same time, 593 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,640 you don't believe somebody is capable of something like that, 594 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:08,080 especially somebody you love, somebody that you're in love with. 595 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,120 [Jill Drake, on recording] It was very clear Ashley Morrison aided Christian 596 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,160 before, during, and after the crime. 597 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,600 They were gonna kill whoever they needed. 598 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,160 Christian, "I will kill your dad." 599 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:26,840 Ashley, "Okey dokey." 600 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,320 "I'm going to kill your dad." "Okey dokey." 601 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,680 What was that? 602 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,400 She's a participant. 603 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,160 [Ashley] Those texts, that looks horrible. Like, I understand that. 604 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,080 I understand, from the outside looking in, how bad that is 605 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,880 and how bad that looks. 606 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,200 But I know for me that I was brushing Christian off. 607 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,960 Any time I said "okay" or "okey dokey," 608 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,480 that was my "whatever" to him. 609 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,920 I didn't take him seriously. 610 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,920 But it became serious. 611 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,560 I definitely regret 612 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,400 not trying to stop what happened. 613 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,960 And if I could say something to the Sims family, I would tell them, 614 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,680 even though it makes up for nothing, that I'm genuinely sorry. 615 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:31,080 But, at the same time, I cannot take responsibility for what he did. 616 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,480 I do believe I should be… in prison for my involvement. 617 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,000 Yes. 618 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,640 Do I believe that I should've gotten 30 years for my involvement, though? 619 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:44,840 No. 620 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,760 Because the man who pulled the trigger 621 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,080 and concocted the plan only got 35. 622 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:00,240 [dramatic music playing] 623 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,560 [Christian] I shot my grandmother because she had beaten and molested me as a child. 624 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,360 I would not have done it for any other reason. 625 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,360 But, from the outset, there was no, like, plan. 626 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,320 If I'm just being honest, uh, I'm an incredibly intelligent individual. 627 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,960 Uh, and I don't mean to say this to sound uh, like an asshole or anything like that, 628 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,280 but had I planned this out, it would have happened in a completely different way. 629 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,200 The reason why I didn't mention the… the prior abuse 630 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,760 is because I didn't think that I would be believed. 631 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,520 [Laurie Geer, on recording] For Christian to even 632 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,960 say that my mom would have ever mistreated him 633 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,360 is a complete outrage. 634 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,240 And that's never anything she would have ever done. 635 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,280 It's just another stab in the heart, 636 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:05,920 a stab in the back, 637 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,320 that... [sighs] ...my parents did all this for you, 638 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,080 and then this is how you react. 639 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,920 [Christian] Nothing I can do or say's gonna convince anybody. 640 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,520 They weren't there. They didn't have to experience it. 641 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,040 And, if I'm just being honest, 642 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,760 I don't have remorse for her being dead as a person. 643 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,720 Uh, I think that… 644 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,760 I think that she deserved a lot worse than what she got. 645 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,400 I just hate that it was... [scoffs] ...my dumb ass who did it. 646 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,400 I honestly couldn't say what Ashley thought. 647 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,800 [scoffs] What I think that she's probably told y'all 648 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,120 is probably some truth with a bunch of bullshit mixed in. 649 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,480 Like, she's talking about how she's scared of me and other shit like that. 650 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,640 I treated the girl like a princess. 651 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,640 Like, I never did anything to… to hurt her. 652 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,080 Uh, I didn't force her to do anything. 653 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,160 [dramatic music continues] 654 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,000 [end theme music playing] 655 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,720 [music fades] 52290

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