All language subtitles for I AM A KILLER_S05E01_Redemption.en.closedcaptions

[foreboding music playing]

[man] People say,
"You needed to come to prison

to become the person that you are."

Right, 'cause you are gonna be a person
that's gonna help shift the culture,

you gonna help change the world one day.

[music continues]

[man] I wanna be a beacon
that redemption is possible, right?

Demonstrating reconciliation is possible.

You don't have to come to prison
and just let yourself just waste away.

You can grow.

Look at me.
I am a person who has achieved it.

[music fades out]

[eerie music playing]

[man 1]
I think we could all be dangerous people.

[man 2] People say you're a monster.

[man 3]
I'm not sitting here saying I'm innocent.

[man 4]
I just murdered some guy in cold blood.

[music fades out]

[ominous music playing]

[light clicks on]

-[man] Thank you for your patience.
-[Jamel] Mm-hm.

[man] Just count to ten for me, please.

One, two, three, four,

five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

[somber music playing]

[Jamel] I was born in Cleveland, Ohio.

My upbringing was one of poverty.

As a young man,
I was always ambitious and creative.

Always wanted to do
some type of music or some type of poetry.

But I was being pulled between two worlds,

my… my creativity
and the negativity in which I lived there.

The neighborhood that I grew up in,

it was drugs being sold,
it was people being shot.

I remember you couldn't even go too far
up the street without getting jumped

'cause you was
outside of your neighborhood.

[suspenseful music playing]

There was always violence.

We get taught from this high
that you got to be hard.

You don't let nobody punk you.
You… You do this.

This is the code of the street.
That's the code.

Toxic masculinity is the norm, right?
And I picked it up.

[music becomes rhythmic]

[Jamel] I started doing everything
that others in my environment was doing.

I started taking chances,
like trying to sell dope.

Drugs and alcohol kind of stifled
a lot of my… a lot of my dreams.

[music fades out]

[somber music playing]

[Jamel] As a person, Danielle
was way different than what I was used to.

I'm used to dealing with girls
from a certain demographic, right?

And this was, like, um,
a young girl from the suburbs, right?

And she was just so happy,
and sunny, and bubbly all the time,

like, every time.

[music continues]

She kept me out of the streets

because she always believed
in whatever I was doing.

So far as, like, she pushed my creativity,

she kept me grounded
and kept me chasing my dreams,

making me believe that it was…
that it was real.

[music continues]

[Jamel] Everything was looking good.
I was working.

I was going to night school,
getting my diploma. Right?

And I was really non-existent
in the streets.

I was just mostly with Danielle.

[music continues]

[Jamel] She was the most excited
to be a mother that I've ever seen.

All right? And I was excited.

I was at all the classes
to breathe and breathe

and every prenatal appointment.

So we were… we were stoked.
We had a big baby shower.

So yeah, it was… it was…
it was a wonderful experience.

[music fades out]

[ominous music playing]

[Jamel] I needed money.

So I started kind of like, trying to,
you know, go back out with my friends,

go in the streets, go bust a few moves,

like, trying to get back
into the groove of things.

It was just like the hood
or the gangster thing to do, you know.

That's how my mindset was back then.

[music continues]

[Jamel] My friends leave.

So, I'm going to, you know, get my money,
count my stuff up for the day,

and I'm going to look for
this one particular gun that I had.

And I can't find it.

Now, in hindsight, I'm drunk,
but I'm looking for it

and I can't find it.

So I'm looking all around.

And Danielle was like,

"One of your friends
might do got it, right?"

So, like, now, I get… I get pissed.

[music builds]

I grab this big gun, right?

So now, I guess she sees
how serious I'm getting,

and now, she's telling me, like,

"Chill, relax," like,
"You're going to find it."

I'm like, "No, they got me…"

"I invited y'all to my house,
and y'all gonna steal!"

This, that, and the third.

And I'm still… going.

I'm more enraged,
and I got the gun like this,

and I'm pointing it and telling her,

"No, I'm about to go there,
I'm gonna do this and do that."

And as I'm demonstrating,
the gun goes off.

[gunshot echoes]

[music softens]

I kind of like paused for a second.

And then,

I run over to her 'cause I thought
maybe she jumped out the way,

or maybe she's just playing,
trying to teach me a lesson. All right?

So I grab her.

And I'm… And I'm holding her, I'm like,
"Stop playing!" Like, "Get up!"

And then I feel,
like, blood on my forearm.

All right?
And I kind of was scared to look at first.

So then I kind of turned and looked,
and I seen that she was actually shot.

[music fades out]

And in that moment…

[tense music playing]

…it was shock. All right?

And when I say shock, I mean
like disbelief. Like, I don't… I don't…

Like, this can't be actually real.
This can't be actually happening.

After that, I done went through
a thousand different emotions

of what I should do.

I started thinking, like,
it was… it was guilt and shame.

And it went from shock to… panic.

[police siren wails]

I could hear the police coming.

And I see the flashing lights.

So I go and run the other way.
I'm gonna flee, right?

I know this run
is probably going to be short-lived,

but I'm panicking and I'm not thinking.

I'm just trying to just get away
from the situation.

So I just keep… I keep going.

[music continues]

[music fades out]

[echoing footsteps]

[somber violin music playing]

[Jamel] What happened?

It was just like a deep hurt
and regret and remorse.

And it changed everything, right?

It was… It was the day
that I lost everything, right?

I lost Danielle.

I lost my family, lost my… my… my respect.

I could probably accept it more
if I did something on purpose,

but for this to be an accident,
like, why was her life cut short?

And why did I have to be
responsible for it?

What's the lesson?

[fence rattling]

I always hear people say
that everything happens for a reason,

and a lot of things
changed in my life after that.

I stopped drinking and smoking in prison.

Now, that led me
to finally be able to know myself

for the first time
since I was eight or nine years old,

where I wasn't on some type of drug.

And after I got clean,
I was able to grow into the leader

that I actually'd always been.

Everything that I do

is so that other people don't have to make
the same mistakes that I made.

And I just want you to know
that redemption and reconciliation, right,

it's not… it's not something
that's out the picture. It's possible.

[music continues]

[Jamel] So I started reading certain books

like, on cognitive behavioral therapy
and things of that nature,

and reading those books on fertile mind

opened my eyes up
to different thinking areas,

different communication techniques.

[music fades out]

[gentle instrumental music playing]

[fence rattling]

I taught people communication skills

and conflict resolution skills,

because I noticed
that a lot of people in here,

that's what we lack.

And starting that program was probably

the most transformational thing
for me in my personal journey.

When I leave here,
I wanna take the Danielle Project

and be able to implement it
on a grand scale.

So I just see myself getting out
and being a thought leader.

[music fades out]

[hopeful music playing]

[woman] In the prison system,

Black folks make up
nearly 40% of those who are incarcerated.

Despite the fact that in Minnesota,

they make up
less than 7% of the population.

We have a dominant narrative
in this country

that people who have a darker skin
are more susceptible to crime.

Jamel, he should have never gotten
20 years for what was an accident.

I've seen way too many people
take the same path that Jamel took

because that was the one
that was broad and wide,

and you were almost pushed down it.

I am Minister Janaé Bates,

and I'm the communications director

for a faith-based and community-based
organizing, uh, vehicle

for regular Minnesotans
right here in Minnesota.

[music continues]

[Janaé] I met Dontez
when we were 16 years old.

I call him Dontez
as well as most of his family and friends.

Um, even though of course,
he's Jamel Dontez Hatcher.

He has always had this, like,
high level of emotional intelligence,

and he really cares about
how people are feeling.

[music fades out]

[soft, uplifting music playing]

[Janaé] I had just gotten licensed
as a minister.

I thought, surely, this is God,
you know, opening a pathway for me

to be able to provide pastoral care
to a friend who really needs it.

And I got to learn about all of the work
that he had been doing in the prison.

For him to use this time
not just as his punishment,

but also for preparation

to prepare himself to be the man
that… that he's becoming today.

You know, the work that he's doing
in the prison really does deserve to…

to get some light outside of the prison.

[music fades out]

[somber music playing]

[fence rattling]

[Janaé] Right now,

the prosecutors are in communication
with the family of Danielle,

and they're talking to them about,
you know, what this would mean for them

if Dontez were released early.

[music stops]

[birds chirping]

[melancholic music playing]

[woman] We miss her every day.

[man] Absolutely.

There isn't a day go by
that I don't think about her.

And a lot of time where…

I'm driving and we pass
the cemetery where she is,

and we'd send her our love.

[Janet]
I just love this one with this smile.

Because this is how
she kind of lived her life.

[Ernest] Absolutely.

-Always has a great smile.
-[Janet] Always had a smile.

She was kind of a magnet.

[laughs]

She had a bright spirit
some people were drawn to.

Dontez was drawn to that spirit as well.

Dontez's trial,
it was kind of a blur to me.

I don't remember what he said,

what anybody said.

All I remember is sadness.

I don't know
if I ever really got angry towards him

because I felt like
he loved her too much to hurt her.

[music fades out]

[uplifting music playing]

[Janet] He asked for forgiveness.

He was saying that it was an accident,

that he really didn't mean

to kill the woman that he loved so much.

And he said he had to find restitution.

And he wanted to do
something more with his life,

so Danielle wouldn't have died in vain.

[music continues]

[Janet] He talked about reading the Bible.

And I could just see
that he was really serious about…

what he wanted to do, how…
the direction that he was going in.

I think he has proven

that he is trying
to be the best he can be.

[music continues]

[Janet] I'm really happy about
the way he has evolved.

My prayers, I would say,
have been answered.

I'm hoping to see
Dontez and his wife have a happy life.

[music continues]

[Janet] His wife, she's a wonderful woman,

and I see that relationship
working out very well.

And if there's any way I can…

can help that happen, I'm… I'm all for it.

[music fades out]

[sentimental music playing]

[Janaé] Okay.
So, I just want to acknowledge,

we have a bunch of folks in the room.

I know there's people from Ohio
and from Minnesota.

We have people here from Scotland.

I had been praying for a partner
for years.

Um, and I had been praying
with a very long checklist of things

that this person needed to be.
And he checked all the boxes.

I did not put on the list

"He probably shouldn't be in prison"…
[laughs] …but…

We have family and loved ones
who have joined us from all over.

So we're watching my wedding.

You can barely see me,

but I'm in this corner
and I'm cheesing so hard.

I smiled so hard
through the entire experience.

[music continues]

I would say the most special moment
is happening right now.

It's when Dontez was telling me his vows.

They're incredibly beautiful
because he's a poet.

The love of my life.

You have made my life so bright.

You have picked me up
from the deepest depths of darkness.

I was a man with rips
and tears in my soul.

Oh, but here we go.
This is where we tie the knot.

[man] Will you honor and cherish him
as long as you shall live?

[Janaé] Oh yes, I do.

[man laughs]

[Jamel] I love you, baby.

[Janaé] Oh, I love you.

Janet and Ernest Jenkins
were also present,

and it was beautiful,

because they are the grandparents
of, uh, Danielle.

[indistinct talking over computer]

[Janaé] It has been incredible
to have their support,

and they represent
what I really hope for a lot of the world.

Truly.

[contemplative music playing]

[Janaé] We've dreamed about

what it's gonna finally be like
to be able to be together,

living together in one place.

And Dontez could be out
as soon as a few weeks from now.

And we are certainly wanting to spend
a bunch of time with Chyanne,

Dontez and Danielle's daughter.

Because for him,

it is so incredibly important
to have a relationship with her.

[music fades out]

-[birds chirping]
-[basketball net swishes]

[basketball thumps]

[gentle melodic music playing]

[basketball thuds]

[basketball rim rattles]

When I first heard the name Danielle,
I was young.

-[net swishes]
-[basketball thuds]

[woman] I also thought she was related.
I just didn't know how she was related.

I found out who Danielle really was to me,
uh, when I was about 17.

[music continues]

[Chyanne] And I found out
who my dad was at the same time.

[door clicks shut]

-Chyanne, you want some toast?
-Yeah.

I'm gonna make some toast.
Some eggs, toast and bacon.

Are you gonna put it on the…

[woman] You can make a sandwich
if you want, I don't care.

[bacon sizzling]

[music continues]

[bacon continues sizzling]

[Melanie] I was not ready to tell her.

She was that, uh, light
that was brought back into my life

after Danielle died

that kept me going.

I didn't feel I needed to tell her
until later in her life.

My goal was to first

set up either counseling or something
in place so that when I did tell her,

she had somewhere to go for help
or had other people to help her.

[Melanie talking indistinctly]

[Chyanne] I had found out the truth
from my dad's side.

I was sent a link.

And it was actually
a link to my dad's website.

[music continues]

He wrote this letter
before I knew who he was.

It says, "I love you.
I always have and always will."

And he just talked about
how, like, one day I will find this,

and he hope I will,
and that we can start a bond.

I was shocked, but I was mainly confused
'cause I had so many questions.

[music fades out]

[melancholic music playing]

[Melanie]
I wish I had been contacted first.

Conversation should have went
through me first before contacting her.

I… I thought it was quite selfish
to… just call her

or text her out of the blue.

But I would say that the situation
has panned out pretty well.

She does have a relationship
with her father now.

So she can start that journey with him.

[music fades out]

[poignant music playing]

[Chyanne] The first time
I talked to my dad was on the telephone.

I was… I was very nervous.

I feel like he was very nervous.

[birds chirping]

[Chyanne] I could hear it in his voice.

I felt very good
after we had our first talk

'cause that's when I knew that…

I'm gonna have a bond with him now.

I can't know who my mom was,

which I wish I could,
but I at least want to know who my dad is.

[birds chirping]

[music continues]

Oh, I didn't even see this.
He just added these pictures.

That's my dad.

That's me.

Those are my great-grandparents.

That's my dad again. That's me.
And that's, uh, Janaé, his wife.

Very special days,
except when we had to leave.

That was the hardest part.

[music fades out]

[somber music playing]

-Here.
-I'm just debating if I want some eggs.

That's… That's enough…
Yeah, that's enough. Mm-hm.

[Melanie] That's not enough.

The difference between him then and now
is that he's grown a lot mentally.

I think he has come a long way.

[tense piano music playing]

But about what happened to Danielle…

There really has not been
a clear discussion

on exactly what happened.

Because I don't know
exactly what happened.

[music continues]

[Melanie] I didn't want to hear it.
I wasn't ready.

I want Chyanne
to find out the truth from him.

And I think that is something
that has to come from him.

To face her.

To face Chyanne and say,
"This is what I did."

[music fades out]

[dark, foreboding music playing]

[music fades out]

[man] Danielle was shot in the face
with a shotgun.

[rhythmic, pensive music playing]

[man] But Hatcher denied
having any involvement in her death.

So I have a trust issue
with anything that he has to say.

My name is Jeff Cook.

I was the lead detective
on the Jamel Hatcher murder case.

I felt absolutely terrible for the family
to have to go through this,

as I do with any homicide victim.

[music fades out]

[Jeff] There are things
that can't be unseen by family members.

And that her family
had to go and find her,

you know, it's heartbreaking.

[foreboding music playing]

[music fades out]

The mother was notified
by the grandparents

that people couldn't
get ahold of Danielle.

So she took her 11-year-old son,
Danielle's little brother, with her,

and they came to the apartment.

They found that the apartment door
was unlocked, and entered.

They found Danielle laying on the floor
between the closet and the bed.

[grim music playing]

They then found the baby on the bed
in a bouncy seat.

And she had been sitting there so long
and been crying and… and thrashing around

that she almost
worked her way out of the seat.

The child was left alone
for approximately 18 hours.

[dramatic sting]

[music fades out]

[dark, rhythmic music playing]

[Jeff] Have a seat right here.

My name's Detective Cook, okay?

You go by Dontez, right?

-[Jamel] Yeah.
-Okay.

[Jeff] When we questioned him,

he did a number of things to try to put up
roadblocks in the investigation,

uh, to try to create an alibi for himself.

He said he had been to the apartment
earlier in the evening, but he had left,

and she was fine when he left.

He, uh, initially said that
he had gone to a friend's house,

LaTanya Harper.

And spent the night there.

He not only claimed
that he went to Ms. Harper's residence,

but that he engaged
in sexual activity with her that evening.

[indistinct chatter]

[Jeff] But it was part of the overall plan
to create an alibi.

That… That told us a lot
about Mr. Hatcher.

His cold, calculated nature
of going and having sex with somebody

after he just killed his baby's mother.

[tense, rhythmic music playing]

[Jeff] So this is LaTanya Harper.

[officer] Here's a copy of the statement
that you made to us.

I want you to read that before we start.

[Jeff] Her assertion initially was
that he arrived around one o'clock

with her there.

She then admitted that he didn't get there
till around four in the morning.

[music continues]

[Jeff] Through witness interviews,
what we believe occurred that night was,

Mr. Hatcher and Danielle
got into a very heated argument.

Several of the neighbors
had actually gone and complained

to management about
the arguing in that apartment.

And we… we believe
the argument continued from there on,

and that's when
Jamel ended up shooting her.

[dramatic sting]

It was very frustrating to have
the prosecutor's office tell us

we didn't have enough.

We wanted Mr. Hatcher charged with murder

because we learned
that Mr. Hatcher had been

physically abusive
to Danielle in the past.

He had kicked her.

He was very demeaning to her

and talked down to her
and was very controlling of her.

That gave us a feeling

that he was a very callous person
when it came to his baby's mother,

and perhaps he didn't care for her

as much as he liked
to make everybody believe he did.

[music fades out]

[melancholic music playing]

[birds chirping]

[woman] The last words I said to him
was that I curse you.

For what you've taken from our family.

I hope that you are forever haunted
by the image of Danielle.

Because she loved you completely

and unconditionally.

And may you never find that again.

[music continues]

[Monica] She called me that day,

the day that she had died.

And she says to me,

"Auntie, do you ever stop worrying
about your child?"

And I said to her, "No, baby, you don't."

It was an abusive relationship.

And I was so happy thinking,

"She gets it now."

"She's gonna leave him."

And then when I hung up, I was happy.

[voice breaking]
But I shouldn't have been happy.

[breathes deeply]

I should have gone over there.

I should've picked her up.

[music continues]

[Monica] After Danielle was killed,

he ran away

and hid.

He left a baby.

His child.

There was no anonymous phone call

to the police, to our family.

Nothing.

So my sister and my nephew
have to walk in and find her,

the baby crying,
and find… and find Danielle.

-Why?
-[music fades out]

Because he was too cowardly
to make an anonymous phone call?

[tense music playing]

[Jamel] I want to be a beacon of

that redemption is possible, right?

A lot of things changed in my life.

So I started reading certain books,

like, on cognitive behavioral therapy
and things of that nature,

and I was actually able
to grow into the leader

that I actually'd always been.

And through… through the Danielle Project,

I'm actually helping to…
to switch people's mindsets, right?

So I need to take this

and be as impactful as possible,

make it as big as possible,
because every time I do it

is a celebration of Danielle, right?

Every time I do it,
it's my way of keeping her alive,

and invested in people
and being that role model for people.

It helps me
to keep personally growing, right?

[music fades out]

[foreboding music playing]

[Monica] I don't believe that.
I don't believe any of that.

I didn't know that he was doing classes
named after Danielle.

That seems like using her name

for personal gain.

I want to believe
everyone's capable of change,

but I think he's gotten an education
on how to manipulate the system,

courtesy of the state.

[music continues]

My thoughts on him getting early release
and getting my family on board,

I don't think that's okay at all.

I totally believe that he is using them

and that this is, uh,
some sort of manipulation.

My parents believe
that it is important for healing.

That is their journey.

And my sister,

she'll do what's necessary
to protect Chyanne

and give her what she needs.

[music fades out]

[melancholic music playing]

[Melanie] This is where I am
with Jamel right now.

Eighteen years ago,
I would have hunted him down

and taken him out myself.

But the only thing
that stopped me from doing that

is my children and Chyanne.

I can't tell people how to heal.

Everybody heals on their own… time,

and their own way.

But I had to be able
to let go of some of the hatred I had.

I felt that it was time to give up

that diet of

wanting revenge,

wanting to hate.

And I have to support Chyanne.

Because she wanted to put a face
to this person

that now she knows as being her father.

So I had to, um…

deal with that.

[music fades out]

[tense music playing]

[Jamel] I know there's going to be
a million opinions around the world

about my story.

Some good, some bad.
But at the end of the day,

I'm gonna be that great father.
I'm gonna be that great husband.

I'm going to do the stuff
with the Danielle Project.

That's all I can do.

[music fades out]

[somber music playing]

In terms of my release,
we're still waiting on the prosecution.

It feels frustrating because
I feel I've done everything I can

to prove that I'm ready
to be released early.

[Jeff] Through our investigation,
we learned that Mr. Hatcher had been

physically abusive
to Danielle in the past.

And what we believe occurred that night
was they got into a very heated argument,

and that's when
Jamel ended up shooting her.

And he did a number of things to try

to put up roadblocks in the investigation.

He not only claimed
that he went to Ms. Harper's residence,

but that he engaged in sexual activity
with her that evening.

That… That told us a lot
about Mr. Hatcher.

[music fades out]

[Jamel] Okay.

When you look at the situation, right,

it doesn't look too good, right?

[grim music playing]

I was definitely
verbally abusive to Danielle.

I may have not been,
like, beating her, beating her, right?

But if me and her get into it,
like, I would take her

and hold her down on the bed
or maybe shake her or something like that,

but make no mistake,
Danielle's death was an accident.

I would have never killed her on purpose.

In terms of me lying,

on the day after Danielle's death,

I was so high off of PCP
that I don't remember my first interview.

But that night, I don't never remember
having sex with LaTanya.

[music continues]

If something like that did happen…

[sighs]

…that's terrible.

That's terrible. Like I said, I was high,

and I don't… I don't…
I don't… I don't know.

[music continues]

I know after the fact I did
a whole bunch of unsavory stuff, right?

Trying to cover it up, or whatever.

But I didn't want to go to jail for life

or get the death penalty
or something like that.

So that's what I was hiding.
I was hiding the truth.

I did it out of fear.

[dramatic sting]

[music continues]

[Monica] He only cared about himself.

After Danielle was killed,

he ran away

and hid.

He left a baby.

His child.

There was no anonymous phone call.

Nothing.

So my sister and my nephew
have to walk in and find her.

My thoughts on him getting early release

and getting my family on board,

I don't think that's okay at all.

I totally believe that he is using them.

I think he's gotten an education
on how to manipulate the system,

courtesy of the state.

[music fades out]

I can understand
where Monica's coming from.

[somberly pensive music playing]

In hindsight, like, yes,
I was… I was absolutely wrong.

I could have made an anonymous tip.

But that was the last thing on my mind.

I was… I was 19.

I was… I was selfish.

I was self-centered, right?

And a lot of stuff that I…
A lot of stuff that I did,

it probably was to… to save my own skin,

save my own self, and I have to
dedicate my life to make amends for that.

[music continues]

As far as me using the family
to secure early release…

Me personally,

I hadn't… I hadn't even

considered the fact…

Like, this is about

the fact that I'm a father
who loves his daughter. All right?

Monica is still in that place of pain
and skepticism, right?

And I don't blame her.

And yes, I have
a lot of negativity in my past,

but onward has to be
my only direction, right?

And with Melanie and my daughter
and the Jenkins' support,

I'm going to do everything
that I said that I was going to do.

And prove to the world time and time again
that I am who I say I am.

And that my transformation is…
is legitimate.

[music fades out]

[man 1] The first thought
that went through my head

was, "Damn, it would be
so much easier in life

if I were to just kill her
and get this over with."

[woman] I… I could have
made the choice to try to stop him.

I could have made the choice to get help.

I stabbed this guy one single time.
That was it.

One split second can determine
the rest of your life.

How do you say "I'm sorry"
for taking away someone's loved one?

He came to our house to kill our family.

Oh, fuck.
This is where it's gonna get bad.

[chuckles]

He said, "Bro,
I've got these voices in my head."

I'm out to kill any and every
motherfucker I can get my hands on.

[laughs]

My only regret is that
I didn't finish what I started.

[man 2] People say, "You're a monster,"

but nobody stops to think
what made us that way.

[dramatic music crescendos]

[man 1] I don't have remorse
for her being dead as a person.

I just hate that it was… [snorts]
…my dumb ass who did it.

[dramatic sting]

[darkly melancholic music playing]

[music fades out]