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Five years ago I was...

convicted of a dreadful crime
that I did not commit.

Don't touch me!
The whole town's going to know!

You're saying that there's no way...

...that Matthew Taylor
could have been his biological son.

You spread lies which grew,

and ultimately
landed Sally Wright in the dock

and you in the witness box.

They were together.
I still believe that.

You got the job.

I let them wear me down,
I let them convince me.

But wasn't our fault.
We never asked for any of this.

You seem very concerned about her
all of a sudden.

But what about us?
What about your own step daughter?

Don't throw away the past.

I was with a probationer,
a lad called Aaron Holmes.

And he'll confirm that?

He's not yours. He never was.

You come near Sam
or my family again,

I will destroy you!

A few weeks ago,
we had a bust-up over a bill.

He's come in tonight,
I've lost my temper...

we've had a bit of a ding-dong,
that's it, really.

So we have two other witnesses

who say it was a completely
unprovoked attack by him.

Well, obviously,
they didn't see the whole thing

because that's not what happened.

Look, like I said,
I'm happy to leave it there.

So, are you going to tell him?

Sam?

Cos this is scary, Sal.

Doesn't matter
if the back door was unlocked,

to walk in to someone else's house
and attack them...

- Right, yeah...
- So you either tell him,

and get her to back the fuck off,

or we go to the police.

OK.

Are you saying he hasn't been back
at all in the last few hours?

No.

So, any idea why he would have
done this?

- Mrs Taylor?
- No.

No idea
why he walks out of your house,

just a few hours after
we've interviewed him

about Matthew's paternity,

and seeks out
and assaults a local publican?

No.

Hi, this is Sam Wright.
Please leave a message.

Hey, Sam, it's me.

Can we meet?

You've done your duty as a mate.

We both have.

She needs to go.

Today.

OK. I am off.

Have a good one.

- You too.
- And, Beth?

Try and have a normal day today,
please.

Er... Yeah, Mum,
I'd love to have normal day.

It's hard when you have the amount
of shit in your head that I do.

Most of it put there by you!

- Hi.
- Oh, hi.

Oh.

Yeah. Well, erm...

It's wooden floors so...

- Oh, Sal, I'm so sorry.
- It's OK.

I mean, you don't have to go today.

Jen, honestly, it's fine.

Yeah, all very odd.

My guess is it was about
what we think it was.

What, that Gary Walker
is Matthew's father?

And that he's never told his missus.

Which obviously offers up some
interesting possible motives

for Walker too.
Cos a lad turning up on the doorstep

of your marital home one day
and saying he's your long lost son,

it's not exactly Davina McCall
territory, is it?

- Has he got any form?
- First thing I checked,

for a DNA match against Matty
primarily,

but no, sorry, nothing on PNC.

OK, well, pull him in anyway.

If you're right and he never
told his missus, we can use that.

Right, the gifts and presents
found in Matthew's bedroom.

These were all originally ascribed
to Sally Wright.

She always said she bought him
the books but nothing else,

so who was the rest
of the stuff from?

Obviously, a trawl was done
in the first investigation

to see if the item's purchaser
could be identified,

but give it another sweep, Mia,

- see what was missed.
- Guv.

Er, Sam Wright's alibi,
where are we on that?

So, too long ago for any CCTV of
his car being where he says it was,

which was heading
to see Aaron Holmes,

and unfortunately, there's no
phone mast records either.

So it's going to be down to Holmes
confirming

- he was definitely with him.
- Basically, yeah,

I'm trying to arrange a time
to see Aaron later this week.

Good stuff.

Lastly, John Taylor is still AWOL.

I want him found, please.

Oh, my God, Sal.
That is awful.

Yeah, and so they basically
asked me to leave because of her.

So can you speak to her?
Tell her to calm down,

reassure her that I'm not back here
to "steal her man"?

For what it's worth,
and this is absolutely not

any kind of an excuse, but...

she is under a lot of pressure
at the moment.

I mean, Beth's not an easy child,
never has been,

and things have seriously...
flared up again the last few months.

This re-trial...

...seems to have really affected her
and just, erm,

well, it's caused Karen
a huge amount of worry and...

As I say, I'm not excusing
her behaviour at all,

I'm... I'm just saying,
it's very out of character.

Sure.

Just so you know, actually,
you might want to tell her this.

Jen and Alf
wanted to call the police.

And I persuaded them not to.

- Right.
- Yeah. Wow.

Well, on her behalf, thank you.

Oh, sorry.

Er... I've got to go.

Right.

- Is there anything I can do, Sal?
- Oh, don't worry about me,

I've got unlimited hot water
between six and eight.

I'm serious.

Yeah, well, what do you think, Sam?

Turn back time
so it's me you're coming back to,

to our lovely family home?

I'm all right.

They said you were like a mad man.

Broke a bottle, had to be stopped
from stabbing him wi' it.

You know, even... even when you were
at your most troubled, John,

I stayed with you, because I thought
that deep down, you were a good man.

Decent, loving.

Kind.

Well, maybe I never really knew you.

So, let me tell you where we are,
Gary.

We think that John Taylor's
assault on you

was almost certainly connected
to the fact that Matthew Taylor...

was your son.

No, that's...

Well, I...

I don't know
where you've got that from,

- but that's not true.
- No-one...

...not your wife...

...not your kids,

need know what we've discussed
here today,

as long as we feel
you're being straight with us.

So I'm going to ask you again.

Was Matthew Taylor your son?

No, he wasn't.

This is a murder investigation,
Gary.

Which means if he was your son,
it's pertinent to our inquiry

and that means we'll do everything
in our power to prove that.

We will pull... your house apart.

We will pull your life apart,

and every single person in this town
will end up knowing why.

But if you cooperate,
we will do our best

to keep it contained.

Was he your son?

Yeah.

Thank you.

Ow!

Don't say anything, OK?

What was that all about?

- Nothing.
- Was that Bethany Moss?

I actually only found out
a few months before Matty died.

And how did you find out?

Maria told me.
Just came in the pub one day.

Sorry, just going back,
the original relationship with her,

that was a serious thing, or...?

A few weeks.

A month at the most.

And you were both married
at that time?

Her husband was away a lot,
he was in the army.

We had two little'uns

so my missus would often go and stay
at her mum's.

It was the only time I ever...

- It's not who I am.
- OK, so scroll forward 16 years

and Maria walks in to your pub
and...?

Apparently, John had found out
and, God knows why, told the boy.

So she felt that she had to tell me.

And I was, erm... in shock.

Obviously, I wanted to be
decent about it all,

to do the right thing by the boy,
whatever that was,

but I was also happily married.

I knew that if I told her the truth,
it would have messed all that up.

And what happened then?

Then Matty came by one night,
just as I was locking up.

And thank God Alison was away
on a university trip with our eldest

but... it was... awful.

Why awful?

This was my boy.

And he was so upset and confused
and...

Just wanted to wrap my arms
around him.

Say sorry.

- What did he want?
- I think he was as confused as me.

I mean, his dad had tried
to stop him seeing me.

- Matthew told you that?
- Yeah.

For a few weeks,
I tried to meet up with him,

to talk to him,
help him through it all.

Then it all got too much for me.

Alison started to ask questions
cos I kept disappearing.

So I'm ashamed to say I told him
that I couldn't see him any more.

And how did he take that?

Better than I thought.

I told him that his real dad
was the man that had raised

and loved him for 16 years.

Not me.

OK.

One last question, Gary.

Where were you
on the day your son was murdered?

She said you gave her a dead arm.

Well, she was in my way,
I asked her to move and she didn't,

so I pushed past her.

So she's lying, then?

It happens.

I had a look at your report card,
Beth,

it's not the first incident like
this in the last few months, is it?

And yet sitting here now, you don't
seem like that sort of girl to me,

not really.

Look, sometimes when we lash out
about things,

it's actually because
we're upset about something else.

What I'm saying is, I can arrange
for you to speak with someone

from pastoral support, if you like.

- I'm fine.
- Really?

Yeah.

We done?

Sure.

- How long till he's sober?
- I think we can write off tonight.

Right, first thing, then.

In the meantime, let's start
chasing down Walker's alibi,

- and let's get him printed.
- OK.

I've Beth in tears upstairs.

- Why?
- Your ex.

- What do you mean "my ex"?
- She threatened her at school today,

- apparently, with expulsion.
- What?!

Some kid lied that Beth
had tried to hurt her.

And we're sure
it couldn't be Beth lying?

- Oh, here we go.
- Listen, I'm just saying...

- You're always defending her.
- Er, she does have a bit of history

on that front. And of course,
this is what she wants,

you and I at each other's throats.

What does that mean?

She wants to break up
our family, Sam,

so she can get you back,
she's obsessed with us.

Says the woman who broke into
her house and attacked her.

- Well, that was stupid...
- It was more than fucking stupid,

- Karen, it's actually scary.
- You stood in front of me yesterday

and lied, very convincingly,

about bloody Sal
coming to the front door.

Look, look, we shouldn't be rowing.

This is a really difficult situation
for both of us.

But we can get through it, Sam,
I know we can,

if we just agree
to be honest with each other.

Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

No more lies, from either of us.

I'd done two tours in Kosovo.

When I came back from the second...

I wasn't in a good place.

I was drinking too much,

me and Maz were rowing
all the time.

So when I left
for a third tour...

...I think she just needed
someone to talk to, really.

Cut to 16 years later...

...I'm at the doc's
for a check-up on a cyst.

Yeah...

I learned I've been
infertile all my life.

Which wasn't so good...

to find out everything you thought
you knew about your family

was a lie.

Anyway...

she said the relationship
had been brief.

A few weeks at the most.

She also swore she'd never told
Walker that Matty was his, so...

really, if we kept it secret,
it was like it never happened.

Which is easier to say than do.

Cos I was angry.

With her, obviously,
with Walker, myself...

...maybe even with Matty.

And it all came
at the absolute worst time.

Me and him
had started arguing a lot.

He was going through a phase,
I suppose,

trying to work out who he was.
And then one day...

...after a particularly nasty row...

...I told him that he wasn't mine.

Which is without question
the worst thing I've ever done.

I mean, the second I said it I...

wished I could've taken it back,
but I couldn't.

- Did he get angry with you?
- With both of us.

And how did you respond?

Just... tried to calm him down,
I suppose.

I mean...

I apologised repeatedly
for telling him but...

I was pissed
and in pieces myself,

I wasn't best placed
to deal with it all.

- Did it ever get physical?
- No.

Even though, as you said,
you were both angry?

Before I said it, I was angry.

After, I was just ashamed.

Over the next few days...

...things seemed to calm down a bit.

Talked about it all more.

Rationally, all three of us.

And in the end,
he said he wanted to meet him.

- How did that make you feel?
- Well, I'd created the situation,

so I wasn't going to stop him
doing what he felt

he needed to do at that point.

So why do you think that Matty
might have told Gary Walker

that you did try to stop him going?

He's lying, I never stopped him.

- Do you know how Walker reacted?
- He wasn't interested, apparently.

Saw Matt maybe a couple of times and
then basically told him to fuck off.

- How did Matty take that?
- He got pretty cross.

And then told me later
that he threatened him.

- Threatened him how?
- Telling his wife who he was.

And you never thought
to mention that before?

Well, we all thought we knew
who'd done it by then, didn't we?

John Taylor always said he was
working at the time of the murder,

and his foreman confirmed that,
but, I just...

- Double check it, yeah?
- Yeah, will do.

- Oh, boss?
- Yeah?

- A message from Sally Wright to call.
- OK.

Back in a bit.

So this is dated just four months
before Matthew's murder.

And I'm guessing
it got missed originally

because it's in Beth's files
and not Matty's

and there was no obvious connection
between the two,

but, my God,
it should have been spotted.

So how old would Beth
have been at the time?

14?

Sorry, but are you suggesting
that a 14-year-old...?

Oh, look,
I'm not suggesting anything,

I just wanted to give you
the information. OK.

You will see from the file,
Beth Moss had a lot

of pastoral input in the months,
years after this.

She's got a lot of behavioural
issues.

Some of the notes suggest
her mum was a piece of work too.

Karen Moss.

I think it said in the original file

that she was actually
Matthew's social worker.

- Really?
- Yeah.

Wow.

OK, er...
I'll look into all this,

and I'll try and track down
the teacher,

- see if he can remember anything.
- OK.

And thank you for coming over,
it make a real difference

having a human connection
to the case, I appreciate it.

So... how are you doing?

Hm.

It's a journey.

Well, look, if you ever fancy
a cry-off or...

tragedy top trumps,
give me a shout,

we could grab a pizza maybe.
I mean,

- not as a... you know... just as...
- Thank you.

I probably need to get my head
into a slightly better place

to be even half decent company,

but when I feel a bit more sorted,
yeah, I'd really like that.

Right, great. Erm...

- I'll, er, I'll call you on this.
- Yeah.

Thanks, Sally.

- Suzy.
- We've checked Walkers fingerprints

against the bottle
that killed Matty.

- And?
- We've got a match.

I'll be right there.

I sell Buckworth,
I often stack the shelves myself

so if my prints were on the bottle
that killed him,

all it means is... is that someone
bought it from my pub.

- And by "someone" you mean?
- Anyone! Matthew?

Look, how would I know?
I've already said,

I was in London on the day
that he died.

Yeah, we're still checking
your alibi,

but I want to go back over
something you told us yesterday.

When you told Matthew
you couldn't see him anymore,

- you said he was fine with that?
- Yes.

I mean, he was upset, of course,
but he said that he understood.

- So he didn't get angry with you?
- No.

- Didn't threaten you at all?
- No!

Didn't threaten to tell your wife
who he was?

No. We have evidence
to suggest that he did.

Well, he didn't. Look, he...
He didn't!

Look,
I have let the boy down appallingly,

I've had endless sleepless nights
wondering if my behaviour

in any way
contributed to how his life ended,

but I swear, I didn't kill him!

Yeah, yeah, I can hold,
no problem.

And I wondered if I could ask you
about a gift card purchase

made in a Keswick shop in 2015.

Yeah, that's right.

So we understand you taught in
St Luke's school in Keswick in 2015,

and we just wanted to ask
if we could have a brief chat

- with you at some point...
- Hello, there.

Yeah, Mr Walker
said he was in London,

in a meeting with your brewery,
however, so far,

he's been unable to find
any emails confirming that.

So I was just wondering
if there was any other way

of confirming his presence there?
Any internal mails...

...or old desk diaries,
that kind of thing.

I'm sorry, can I call you back
in two minutes?

Right, thanks, bye.

I'm so sorry,
it was a genuine mistake,

I had two guys
with the surname Taylor.

Working on that job.
John Taylor, obviously...

...but also a Thomas Taylor.

And looking back at it,
on that specific day,

what I thought then was
a J, for John...

I now think...

- might be a T.
- You think?

- It is.
- Right, so...

you can actually provide
no definite alibi

for John Taylor
on the day of the murder?

Well, when you asked first time
round, he wasn't a suspect, so...

I never really double checked.

But what I do know,

is he adored that boy.

And I can't believe for a minute

he would ever have hurt
a hair on his head.

- Where were you actually?
- Around town.

After I ran out of money,

wherever I've thought
I could scrounge a can.

Were you ever in Clement Park?

Yes. Which we know
from the original investigation,

Matty was seen walking through,
just an hour

before his estimated time of death.

- So did you see him?
- Yes.

Did you talk to him?

Yes.

Did you row?

- Yes.
- Did you then follow him?

Why don't you just ask me?
Did I kill him?

Did you?

Well, it was my defect that meant
we couldn't have a child.

My drinking that caused
Maria's infidelity.

My weakness that made me
tell Matty he wasn't my boy.

Now I don't know how exactly
all that led to his death...

...but I'm pretty sure in some way
it did.

So, no, I didn't follow him,

and I never laid a hand
on him that day.

But, yeah, I think in some way,
with my failings...

...I did kill him.

So you just describe a bullying
incident involving Matty and Beth,

do you remember
any more detail, or...?

Er, it was to do with him
having stayed at her house once.

- Her mum was a duty social worker.
- Er, this was Karen Moss?

Mm-hm, and she'd had him
stay over for a couple of nights

after he'd had a row with his dad.

From what I could glean from him,

he'd then seen Beth talking to some
friends at school about it.

OK, and he didn't like that?

I think basically
he felt that Beth had seen him

at his most vulnerable,
so, no, he didn't like it at all.

And Matty Taylor was not a boy
you wanted to cross.

He was whip smart, super articulate,
and he could be cruel,

verbally, I mean.

- Very cruel.
- Right.

And did you get the impression
this was an isolated incident

- or do you think that...?
- Well, they were both

pretty reluctant to discuss it,
particularly her.

But if I had to put money on it,
I would say no,

no, it wasn't.

Loads on the school system
about Bethany Moss

over the last five years.

Depression issues, anxiety issues,
and then I found this.

On the 8th June 2015,
just two days before Matty's murder,

she's admitted to St Mary's General,
having taken,

an accidental overdose
of her mum's codeine.

Accidental?
Her mum told the hospital

she'd thought they were
over-the-counter herbal pills

she sometimes gave her for stress.
And how many did she take?

- Six.
- Who takes six stress pills?

Well, the notes say on previous
occasions she'd taken two.

Her mum told the hospital that
on this occasion she'd taken four,

then got confused
and then taken another two.

Yeah, me neither.

Which got me thinking.

If that was my kid, and I thought
Matty Taylor's bullying

was to blame for
a suicide attempt...

Particularly when she'd given
the lad a bed for a couple of nights

- just a few months prior.
- OK, great work.

- OK, I think we need a chat with Mum.
- Yeah.

And you never heard of any bullying
incident involving Matthew Taylor?

No, sorry.

And Bethany would say the same,
would she, if we asked her?

Of course.

So... would you tell us,

if you don't mind,
about the incident

that led you to taking your daughter
to St Mary's General,

two days before Matthew died?

Er, so, I'd been taking codeine
for some back pain I'd been having,

and I'd very stupidly
put the blister of pills

in the same cupboard
as some herbal pills

I sometimes gave Beth for stress.

She'd had a bad day at school,

and before I got home from work,

she'd gone to the cupboard,

got the wrong pills out,
and taken a couple.

She was absolutely fine, I just took
her to hospital as a precaution.

Right.

According to the hospital notes,

she took six codeine tablets

totalling 180 milligrams.

Which is a potentially
fatal dose for a child.

Mm.

We were very lucky.

So the bad day that she'd had,
what was that about?

Oh, God, I don't remember.

Really?

Well, she's quite an anxious child
so...

So it was nothing
to do with Matthew Taylor?

- No.
- He hadn't continued to bully her?

No, she never mentioned
anything like that to me.

If a lad had done that to my child,
bullied her to the point

- of taking an overdose...
- There wasn't an overdose.

Especially a kid
I'd let in to my own home...

- It wasn't an overdose.
- ..I don't know what I might do.

I don't know,
just something suggesting

that both Karen and Beth
are now suspects.

- I can't do that, Sally!
- Why not?

Because I just...
I can't just make shit up.

But you're a journalist.

- Funny.
- No, come on,

you saw what the tabloids
wrote about me.

Well, exactly, it'd be a bit ironic

if we now started to publish
random, wild theories,

- particularly about a school kid.
- Oh, she's 19.

- Sal...
- All I'm asking you to do, Jen,

is put their names out there and see
what comes back from your readers,

and that's exactly
what you did with me...

Even if I agreed with you,
that is not how you do things!

You owe me, Jenny!

You owe me.

In fact, this whole fucking town
owes me.

Sal, what you went through,

that anger you must feel,
every day, for what you lost...

I didn't lose any thing!

I lost nothing!

It was taken away from me,
it was fucking...

stolen from me!

I completely get it, OK.
But this?

This is not the way forward.

This is not going to make you
feel any better.

Then what is then, Jen?!

I mean it.

You need to be honest with me,
Karen, you really do.

He had been so horrible to her.

For nearly four months,
she told me afterwards.

And for no reason.

He thought she'd talked about
the nights he'd spent here

but she hadn't.

And it didn't matter how many times
she told him that she hadn't,

he still went at her. Every day.

For 16 weeks solid,
he made her life a complete misery.

And I came home late from work
one day

and found her lying on her bed,
half unconscious.

And at the hospital,
she told me...

that it was an accident,
but I knew it wasn't.

And then the next morning,
she finally told me...

what Matty had be subjecting her to.

The next day, I left her with my mum

and I went to speak to him
at his house.

But he wasn't there,
it was just his mum.

- And you spoke to her?
- I did, but I...

I said it was work related,
I just wanted a general catch-up.

And then I left.

And that's all that happened,
I promise.

I don't believe you.

I promise.

You need to tell me the truth,
Karen, now,

or I swear I'm walking
out that fucking door

and you'll never see me again.

On my way back from his mum's,
I saw him in the street.

- And?
- And I wanted to walk past.

Because by this point, I'd realised
that what I was doing was wrong,

and it could cost me my job,

so I went to walk past
but then he saw me,

and it was him who stopped, and it
was him who started shouting at me,

drunk, and saying stuff about Beth,

laughing about
what a "fat, ugly pig" she was

and something inside me just snapped

and I, I... I lost it a bit,
I admit that.

And so I crossed over
and I shouted right back at him.

I might even have grabbed him,
I can't remember,

it was all a bit of a blur, and...
but, but, then I realised

that I was being very stupid,

and I turned and walked away.
And that really is it.

- And you didn't follow him?
- Absolutely not.

OK.

You have to tell the police, Karen.

- What?
- You have to tell the police.

- I'm not telling the police.
- If you grabbed hold of him,

if you had any contact
with him at all,

they might have found some stuff
on his body

that can connect you to him.
Hairs, fibres, whatever.

So... you need to tell them
what actually happened.

Because if they find
all this out for themselves,

I mean, they could come
to all the wrong conclusions.

No.

You have to tell them, love,
you have to.

- There you go.
- Lovely, thanks.

Have a good day.

- Hello.
- Hey, Sally.

Just wondering why
you didn't mention...

Bethany's mother
is with your ex-husband?

Because I didn't think
that was relevant. 'Right.

But now you mention it,
I'm sorry,

- yes, maybe I should have.
- OK.

Maybe, let me be the judge
of what is or isn't relevant.

Bye, Sally.

Hey.

It was never meant to end
like it did.

And how was it meant to end?

Was there really nothing
going on between you, ever?

No, Anna, never.

Never.

The thing is, I did genuinely
believe there was.

That's... that's the only reason
I made the kiss up.

To get you sacked so it would stop.

And then he was killed.

And everything suddenly moved
so fast.

So, I am...

...sorry.

But least one of us is free now.

- Hiya, Dave, everything OK?
- Yeah, sorry to call so late, boss.

But Mills Brewery have forwarded
four emails

confirming Gary Walker
arrived for a meeting

in their Hammersmith office
at 4pm on the day of the murder.

Now, the meeting lasts an hour,

and it's approximately five hours
door to door

back to the murder scene.

Right,
so he's completely in the clear.

Yeah, looks like it.

All right,
thanks for letting me know, mate.

All right, bye.

Right, so what I don't understand

is how can a kid
with those kind of issues

not appear on the radar
of social services?

Or at the very least
an ed pysch department?

I don't know,
but Karen Moss would have had access

to her daughter's records
in her professional capacity.

What, you think she could have
deleted them?

Why not, if they suggested some
sort of trail back to Matty Taylor?

Er, sorry to interrupt, Boss.

Sam Wright's downstairs,
says he needs to speak to you.

Cheers.

Right, see you in a bit.

- Hey.
- Hi, Sam Wright.

DCI Braithwaite.
Thanks, Grace.

- Do you want to, er...
- Yeah.

OK, I know...

Unequivocally, I know that my
fiancee would never hurt a fly.

But, er...

she's not been
entirely honest with you.

For very understandable reasons,

she thinks you would put two and two
together and make five.

But I think
she's wrong to think that.

So after a long discussion
with her...

and she's across
all of this...

...I am here to tell you the truth.

So, just to confirm,

as per your original
witness statement, Mr Holmes,

approximately 5:35 to 5:50,

Mr Wright was with you
in a probation meeting

- in your flat in Castleton.
- Yeah.

Are you double checking everyone
or just Sam Wright?

Yeah, well, no,
I just wanted to confirm

how many that you
were asked to check?

- Four.
- Definitely? Four?

Yeah, yeah, I have the original
notes in front of me,

four cards,
all, unfortunately for you guys,

- paid for with cash.
- Yeah, no, well, so, listen,

I mean, it looks like
it was a bollocks this end

and there were actually five cards,

two were stuck together.

Erm, anyways, so if I...
if I give you all five numbers now,

whichever one is not on your list,
can you check it out for me, please?

- Yeah, sure.
- So, OK, "DF45..."

No. I had no encounter with him.

Right, so, why do you think

your fiancee...
told me that you did?

Erm...

I have no idea
why he'd say such a thing.

Well, we've also just spoken
to Maria Taylor,

and she has now confirmed she
remembers you knocking on her door

that day,
asking after her son.

Despite never having
mentioned this before.

Well, she was obviously
in a state of shock,

right after her son
was brutally murdered.

By the time she'd started to think
at all rationally,

Sally Wright had been charged.

It never occurred to her
to mention a 30-second exchange

on her doorstep
with his social worker.

Well, she's lying.
Cos I didn't go looking for him.

It would be perfectly
understandable, Karen,

for you to have been
mad with Matthew.

I mean, what would any of us do
to protect our children?

Maybe this was just
a moment of madness.

No.

I never saw him that day.

There are numerous fibres taken from
Matthew's clothing after he died.

Hitherto unidentified hairs caught
up in his school jumper and coat.

Would you be happy
for us check those against you?

Yeah.

Right hand.

I don't know what to say any more,
Sally.

I've just got so much wrong and...

I wonder if you can
ever forgive me.

Come in.

Hi, this is Sam Wright.
Please leave a message.

All right, mate?

It's Aaron... Holmes. Remember me?

Listen, fella,
give us a call some time, will ya?

I think we need
to have a little chat.

I am not taking
any lectures from you.

I know where you were last night.

This has to be for keeps, Sam.

Why would you go
to all that trouble...

unless you had something to hide?

This can't be about Karen any more.

I won't be anyone's second best,
Sam.

Least of all yours.

I'm sorry, Guv,
but you're gonna want to see this.