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(shouting)
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(upbeat pop rock music)
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- [Narrator] What does it
mean to be gay and be a man?
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Given all the different
types of gay men out there,
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there's no straight answer for sure.
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- There was no one to go talk to,
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like a gay Buddha or gay Yoda
and say, "Mm, tell me please."
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- I didn't know what a
role model meant to me.
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- I didn't act the way that the people
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that were called gay act,
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so I would question sometimes if I was.
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- I didn't know what gay was.
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I just knew it was something
that was not looked upon.
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- I didn't feel like I
fit in the gay world.
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I didn't feel like I fit
in the straight world.
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- When you think of being gay,
there's such a stereotype.
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That's why a lot of people
tend to stay in the closet.
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- I'm supposed to be this dominant man and
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I'm still kind of hiding it.
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- [Narrator] We'll profile
a wide range of gay men
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to explore how they define
what it means to be a man.
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- With a gay man,
masculinity is a feature that
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they actually think about
more often than straight men
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because straight men are just
basically following a line.
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- Homosexul men have a very conflicted
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relationship with masculinity.
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They put it up on a pedestal
and on the other side,
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they're afraid that other men
are going to make fun of them.
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And they will.
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- I was physically assaulted
many times in school.
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I just didn't fit in at
all to the rigid standards
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for what men and women do.
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- Being labeled as a faggot before
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I even knew that I was gay.
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- Learning to look through
a magnifying glass at
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how we're performing masculinity,
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there's a potential feeling
that we have of "I've failed."
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- There are different
ways that people enact
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what it means to be masculine.
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There's no one category called Gay Men.
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- There are extremes to both ends of
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masculinity and femininity.
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It's just where you end
up in that spectrum.
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It's who you are.
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- Masculinity has to be a
special challenge for gay men
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because we are attracted to other men
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so the question of what makes a man a man
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and how I can be the thing that
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I desire is a central question
about who we are as a people.
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(upbeat pop rock music)
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- [Narrator] This is The Butch Factor.
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(intense rock music)
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- To be a man is to be
trustworthy, to be genuine,
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to do what you say you're gonna do,
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to follow through on your word,
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be honorable and treat people well.
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To put it in a short version,
just do the right thing
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and we all know what that means.
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- [Narrator] When he's not
pursuing his favorite passion,
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football, Jason Hefley works
for a construction company
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in San Diego, California.
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- Being gay, or being attracted to men,
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is a sexual preference and that's just
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one part of Jason Hefley, a
very small part, quite frankly.
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I'm also an athlete.
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I'm also an uncle, a great son,
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and all these different variables.
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It doesn't dictate what I am or what I do
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or anything like that.
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- [Narrator] Jason plays
in a gay flag football
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league in San Diego.
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The city hosts 10 gay teams and is one of
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17 gay football leagues
around the country.
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- There's a lot of
former college athletes.
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There are some straight
guys in the league that
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have good athletic background.
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Just some great athletes
out there in general.
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The dynamics are very competitive.
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It's a very competitive environment.
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Flag football is surprisingly physical.
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It's definitely a contact sport.
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- You don't have any
padding on but people are
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still running into each other,
so it can be pretty rough.
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I've had a couple of injuries from it.
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My grandfather was
actually an All-American
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quarterback for Princeton
and so I've got the lineage
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and I really like the game.
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Love football, going to
University of Florida,
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football is the main thing there.
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I won a bronze medal at the
Gay Games, played football.
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It's become a big part of my life.
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- I've always played
sports since I was a kid,
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so coming out here I was
trying to find just a good
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community of gay people to play ball with.
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I think you have more of a
sense of togetherness because
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we're just a small gay community,
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and for the straight people,
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and so on and we play here and
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we're off the field, we all hang out.
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When I play in the straight leagues,
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we don't hang out afterwards.
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We don't go grab a burger afterwards
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or hang out at somebody's house because,
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I mean, I'm gonna guess
that would be kind of gay.
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(men shouting and cheering)
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- Like most team sports, it
feels like we're part of a team.
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(men shouting and cheering)
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But, I also think it's
great for the new guys,
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especially the guys who've never played,
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who come out here and say,
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"You know what?
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"I can play football."
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That just gives me joy because
I've been playing all my life
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I love football!
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(upbeat energetic music)
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- It seems to be such a stereotype of
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a manly, straight thing.
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We need to break those barriers.
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We have this league going
and it's growing and
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we have a lot of people out there who just
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want to play the sport
and have a good time.
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- Team athletics has always been a part of
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my upbringing and I think
it has a lot to do with
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who I am today and my character.
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- [Narrator] Growing up
in Arkansas and Oregon,
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Jason was an all-star football player
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in high school and college.
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He even played a while for
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Canada's professional football league.
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- [Announcer] Then he just
follows right off the tushy
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of the pulling tackle there,
plays right off his butt.
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- Football teams became my families and
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coaches became my ad
hoc fathers and that was
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a real important part of
my growth and development.
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I was really shocked to find
out that there didn't seem to
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be a lot of people like me in
the gay community, initially.
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Maybe a little rough and tumble,
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a construction or blue-collar background.
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I've got a two-man auger out
here, which is post-hold digger
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I have my boyfriend on the other side,
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which is kind of funny
because he only weighs
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about 150 pounds and it was
throwing him all over the place.
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This is pretty hard soil.
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I was finding in the
gay community girl talk,
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pop culture, Madonna, fashion.
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I found myself, oftentimes,
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just being a sedentary
participant in the community.
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Being involved in the flag
football league has helped me
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come to terms with my
identity because before,
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I didn't have any outlets and camaraderie
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experiences within the gay community.
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I've always viewed myself to be
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a very strong man, very confident.
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I didn't care what other
people thought of me.
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That probably wasn't as true as much as
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I like to believe myself,
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so I found a lot of people
who still, typically,
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wouldn't be perceived as strong as me.
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They were more confident in themselves and
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they were being themselves
through sexuality and
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comfortable with their sexuality.
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So, it ws kind of a wake-up call.
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I'm supposed to be this dominant man and
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I'm still kind of hiding it.
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What does that really say about me.
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So, I think being around
those guys over and over
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and over again and seeing
their comfort level
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had a large part of me saying hey,
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you'd better take a look
at yourself in the mirror.
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(upbeat intense music)
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- I have been in this
department for almost 14 years.
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These are my original cuffs.
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The interesting thing about
these handcuff is they have
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been on Richard Ramirez,
The Night Stalker.
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I hold them on as
friendly reminder of what
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everyone in life is capable of.
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One of the greatest things
about being a deputy sheriff
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and working for the
Sheriff's Department are
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the challenges that you face every day.
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The leadership skills that you
possess, you bring with you.
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The inherent qualities that
you have, you bring with you.
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They are utilized at any given moment.
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It's very difficult when
you walk down a tier and
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you're called faggot-ass bitch,
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you try not to take it personal,
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that it doesn't really
matter what people think,
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whether you're gay or not.
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The inmate population,
the criminals as a whole
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begin to respect you, it's on
the fact that you're honest,
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you have integrity, you say what you mean,
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you're fair and impartial
across the board.
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I think, sometimes, there's
this underlying feeling
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that because you are gay,
that somehow you're less than
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and that could just be preconceived,
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something that I carry with myself,
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but at the same time, I do
work with individuals that
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at times, feel that because
they're heterosexual and
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I'm homosexual, somehow
they're better than I am.
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It's gotten a lot better
because, time and time again,
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especially in the San
Francisco Sheriff's Department,
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you have leaders that
are lesbian and gay and
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bisexual and questioning
who have continued
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to make a difference.
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- I think there were many
gays and lesbians who
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paved the road for myself
and including Vince.
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I was hired through a gay
recruitment 22 years ago.
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I have 178 sworn here.
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Most of them are men.
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I'm pretty well respected
in the department
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as well as Vince is and
he's great with taking
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command of situations and
the people respect him,
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gay, straight or whatever.
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- He's very open with his
lifestyle but he's not
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forcing it down anyone's throat.
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It's just who he is.
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There is the stigma of being gay.
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Law enforcement can be a
very macho kind of thing and
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a lot of times the gays may
not be seen as being macho.
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Although, look at Vince.
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I mean, no one's gonna say no
to Vince, just from his size.
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There are other gay or lesbian
employees in this department
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that are not as big and forceful.
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They're seen as weak,
sometimes, by the staff,
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because they are not afraid
to show their emotions.
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There's this facade
you're supposed to put up,
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the big, tough, or at least
the unflappable professional.
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You get it done, you know,
Joe Friday, just the facts,
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et cetera, et cetera.
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I think it's slowly changing.
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It takes a long time.
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- I've had grown men, both
deputy sheriff and convict,
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and inmate, collapse in my arms in tears.
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Straight.
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And they've felt comfortable to do that.
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Why that is, is it's
not so much about this
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as it is about this.
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I have a heart.
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I like to use it a lot, not
just for pumping muscle,
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but I think people trust
in me and they know
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that I'm gonna do the right thing.
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I'm a very fair person.
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I can walk around, I can
bust heads all day long.
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I could just bust through
walls, metaphorically speaking,
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but I'm not gonna get any respect.
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I always wanted to be in law enforcement.
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I always wanted to be a firefighter.
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"But, you?
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"You can't be a firefighter.
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"You can't be in law enforcement."
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There were no gay role models.
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There was no one to go talk to,
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like a gay Buddha or gay
Yoda, and say, you know,
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"Hmm, tell me please!"
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You know, there was none of that.
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I applied with the San
Francisco Sheriff's Department
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and they hired me and then I
didn't think I could make it.
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Because I was gay, I didn't
think I would be accepted
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and that it would be a
horrible experience and that
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eventually I would have to
leave or I would be ousted
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or I would be made fun of
or I would be ridiculed.
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So, here I walk onto a
tier, a housing unit,
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with these convicts, people
who had murdered and raped
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and stoled and it frightened
me to death every day.
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They all knew I was gay.
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I was totally open about it.
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They nicknamed me The Savage
because I wouldn't give up.
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I mean, I was getting guys
turning on me with their fists up
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like these convicts ready to fight me.
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Not my experience.
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Thank God, I have the
support of all my deputies
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and after about nine months,
I just wasn't afraid any more.
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There's not too much
today that I'm afraid of.
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A man is someone who looks
adversity straight in the face
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and faces it head-on with
courage and fortitude.
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Masculinity resides in here.
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You could look at me and people say,
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"Oh, my God, he's the
epitome of masculinity,"
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and the next moment you
could see me and I'm just
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chatting it up like the little
Chatty Cathy with people
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but I'm comfortable with that.
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I don't think that qualifies like,
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"Oh, he's so feminine."
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No, I'm everything.
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(upbeat energetic music)
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(crowds cheering)
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- The people that were called
gay, I didn't act that way.
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(crowds cheering)
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So, I would question sometimes if I was,
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(upbeat energetic music)
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even though I had that attraction.
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- [Narrator] Kevin Reed plays
for both gay and straight
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softball teams in Dallas, Texas.
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- I would look at guys longer
than I would look at girls,
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you know, in a certain way.
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I tried to suppress it, I
tried not to be that way
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because I have a very
religious background.
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I just felt out of place
on both sides of it.
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Growing up, being
African-American, people stereotype
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and judge me just from
the color of my skin.
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It's just like being gay.
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They judge you without even knowing you.
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A lot of my peers, a lot of my friends,
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guys that I play ball with,
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I wouldn't want them to know
just because they automatically
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think that you like them
or that you're after them.
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They forget about the
guy that they know and
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that they grew up with and
automatically think, you're gay,
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so that's what's in front of
me the person is me being gay.
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It's still kind of rough for me right now.
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I'm still dealing with it but
this kind of stuff helps a lot
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Being able to play something
I like and still be
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competitive with gay guys
because I always felt that
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they probably wouldn't be as good.
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I don't know why I thought
that because of myself.
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I don't care for attention to show and
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prove to everybody that I'm gay.
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I'm just a regular guy.
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They had other guys out there
that were the same as I am.
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It just kind of helps me
accept it a little bit more,
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be able to deal with it a little bit more.
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But, I still keep it away from my family.
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(melancholy piano music)
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I have some good friends
that are straight but
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just from having conversations with them,
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they just can't, seems
like they can't handle it.
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They can't see a masculine
guy being gay without
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putting the DL tag on him as well.
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I've never been on the down-low where
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I was with guys and girls
and if you're masculine,
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lately a lot of people have
been putting that on guys
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that they're on the DL, black guys.
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(crowd shouting)
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The reason I didn't date
women and pursue that is
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because I knew that's not
what I really wanted and
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I have a sister and I have
a mother and I wouldn't want
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anybody to do that to them just
to cover up whoever they are
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- [Narrator] Marcus Nunn and Dalph Johnson
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are Kevin's teammates.
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They faced similar challenges
growing up as gay men.
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- It's not well-accepted
in a black household,
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because African-American men
are raised to be very macho.
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- I think in the time when I
was actually trying to come out
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it was a little bit more
harder and more tougher
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to be gay and be masculine.
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- When you think of being gay,
there's such a stereotype.
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A lot of people don't
look at the big picture.
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We are just like everybody else.
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Society is so judgemental.
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That's why a lot of people
tend to stay in the closet.
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- I got married and tried
to cover the thing up and
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forget about who I really was.
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I don't regret the marriage.
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It was a learning process and
the learning process I learned
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to be true to who I am.
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Being who I am is just being Dalph.
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It's not about me being gay.
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It's about me just being Dalph.
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- I was so afraid to tell
certain people, even this year.
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My job?
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I would never tell anybody at my job.
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But, I've gotten to the point now,
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my grandmother, who raised me,
she means a great deal to me.
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She knows.
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I could care less who knows.
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I'm not gonna change my
life to appease anybody.
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As long as I get the
acceptance from my family,
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I'm fine.
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- Whether you're masculine,
whether you're just feminine,
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you're not free until
you're just for yourself.
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(upbeat energetic music)
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- I always thought that being
gay meant you were a pussy.
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I didn't want to be a pussy, you know?
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- [Narrator] Bil Yoelin plays
for the Los Angeles Rebellion,
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one of about a dozen gay rugby teams
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across the United States.
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- It's provided a place
for me to be comfortable
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but now we're like a brotherhood.
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It's great.
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I didn't come out until after I left home.
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So, I grew up in Des Moines, Iowa and
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I left Des Moines on my 19th birthday.
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I came to California
to come to college and
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I didn't consider myself to be gay at all.
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For me, there wasn't any identity
there of anyone who is gay
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It wasn't an option for me.
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It wasn't until afterwards
in my 20s that I really felt
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like I came out and I had
other masculine gay men
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that I was attracted to and
that I had a camaraderie with,
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I could hang out with and be friends with.
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- We also have a lot of
straight guys on our team.
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I'd say 40% of our team is
straight and one thing that's
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been sort of eye-opening
for me is I had to sort of
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get over some of my heterophobia.
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I assumed the worst of
a lot of these guys.
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I thought, you know what?
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As soon as they find out we're a gay team,
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they're gonna be out of
here and they were like,
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"I don't care where you put your dick.
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"Let's play, let's go,
let's play some rugby."
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- A lot of good guys there, you know?
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I can bring the girlfriend, you know.
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I don't have to worry
about all the drunk guys.
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A definite plus.
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- I'm straight as an arrow.
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I always have been but
it just, I don't know,
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I guess I have an open mind.
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In a lot of ways, they're
a lot less obnoxious than
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hanging out with a bunch of
straight guys can be just
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crude and rude too, so, I don't know
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the difference is all that much.
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- I never have like an
imaginative thought that
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gay guys played rugby.
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I had no idea.
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I never seen even a gay team
in any sport, let alone rugby,
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so when I came out here, it
was a little different but
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it definitely met my expectations.
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We play as well as any other team.
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- I think I had been
conditioned for so long
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to think that the straight
world is not gonna
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like me if I'm honest.
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I was taught a lesson.
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- [Narrator] Bil grew up in Colorado.
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The revelation that he was
gay came from a superhero.
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- I particularly remember
watching the Incredible Hulk on TV
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and thinking, yeah, that's what I like.
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I think I was probably about six.
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The problem was I didn't
know if it was really
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muscular guys that I
liked, or green people.
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- [Narrator] But, as a
teenager, Bil didn't know
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anyone who was gay except
for who he saw on television.
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- I guess then it was Boy
George or it was, you know,
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you see drag queens.
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- [Narrator] Bil stayed in the
closet until his early 20s.
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- I had some girlfriends.
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Didn't really, you know, it
didn't work out, obviously.
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All my friends were straight
from high school and college
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but then, on the side, there
was a club in my neighborhood.
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It was called The Metro
and it was you know
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(imitating club music)
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It was sort of like, okay,
this what I kind of expected.
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I kind of just didn't really
feel like it was for me,
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but it was like, it's a hard pill.
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You gotta swallow it because this is you.
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So, I didn't feel like
I fit in the gay world,
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I didn't feel like fit
in the straight world.
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I think it's important
for young gay guys to have
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that place where there's
camaraderie without it being
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about body image or dancing.
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There's something really masculine about
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hanging out, being raucous.
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I relate to men better.
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I find them easier to joke
around with and laugh.
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I have sort of a raunchy sense of humor.
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00:20:50,844 --> 00:20:53,320
It doesn't always go so well with women.
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(chuckling)
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Sometimes, I will get people
asking me if I'm straight,
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not believing that I'm gay.
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Women, sometimes, will hit on me.
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I'll be at a gay bar and someone will say,
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"You know, this is a gay bar,"
463
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and I'm like, "Yeah, I know."
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I'm enjoying the porn, you know?
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Even within the gay world,
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guys don't always realize there's
a real variety of gay men.
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Being gay has made me more of a man.
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Certainly being honest with being gay
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has made me more of a man.
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Had I not been honest with myself,
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I think that I would have been what
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I would describe as a pussy.
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I decided not to do that,
not to live in the closet
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til I'm 60 years old.
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So, yeah, definitely it's
made me more of a man.
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(upbeat energetic music)
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- [Narrator] Gay men face
the challenge of defining
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masculinity on their own terms.
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However, the issue of
what it means to be a man
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can be a very divisive one.
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Dan Cullinane writes for a
number of gay publications
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and recently completely a special
report on gay masculinity.
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- When you say that
someone is not masculine,
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you are essentially
saying they are not a man,
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so I think that is why
it is controversial.
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- [Narrator] Dan found a
lot of recurring references
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on social sites catering to gay men.
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- You are seeing an increase in
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"I am a masculine, straight-acting man
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"and that is what I am interested in."
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There is also no femmes,
no nellys, no queens.
492
00:22:35,143 --> 00:22:37,796
There did seem to be this
sort of schism opening
493
00:22:37,796 --> 00:22:39,705
within the community.
494
00:22:39,705 --> 00:22:42,631
- [Narrator] Keith Harris is a
professor of cultural studies
495
00:22:42,631 --> 00:22:45,616
at the University of California Riverside.
496
00:22:45,616 --> 00:22:47,628
- Even though you have these guys
497
00:22:47,628 --> 00:22:49,813
who are gay involved with men,
498
00:22:49,813 --> 00:22:53,169
one way of maintaining a certain kind of
499
00:22:53,169 --> 00:22:56,133
idealized masculinity is, indeed,
500
00:22:56,133 --> 00:22:59,966
distancing yourself from
this effeminate male.
501
00:23:02,610 --> 00:23:04,850
- [Narrator] John Campbell
teaches communication
502
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:05,706
at the University of Minnesota.
503
00:23:05,706 --> 00:23:08,261
He's also written a book
about gay sexuality online.
504
00:23:08,261 --> 00:23:11,967
- If you identify as masculine,
you understand yourself
505
00:23:11,967 --> 00:23:15,633
as sort of fulfilling these
traditional gender roles
506
00:23:15,633 --> 00:23:18,205
but that doesn't fit with your sexuality,
507
00:23:18,205 --> 00:23:21,166
you have a tough time reconciling the two
508
00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:23,220
and negotiating the two.
509
00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:26,627
- [Narrator] Don Romesburg
is an archivist with
510
00:23:26,627 --> 00:23:30,531
the GLBT Historical
Society in San Francisco.
511
00:23:30,531 --> 00:23:32,616
- Many people expect to come
out into the gay community
512
00:23:32,616 --> 00:23:37,218
and find their gender
expression, whatever it is,
513
00:23:37,218 --> 00:23:40,474
embraced and accepted and often
you find just the contrary,
514
00:23:40,474 --> 00:23:43,146
that there's this mandate
to be more masculine.
515
00:23:43,146 --> 00:23:44,783
- What does masculine mean?
516
00:23:44,783 --> 00:23:46,718
Who is masculine and who gets to determine
517
00:23:46,718 --> 00:23:48,414
what those traits are?
518
00:23:48,414 --> 00:23:50,790
Are they real or are they
fetish or are they fashion?
519
00:23:50,790 --> 00:23:51,957
What are they?
520
00:23:55,122 --> 00:23:57,482
- [Narrator] Peter Nardi,
a professor of sociology
521
00:23:57,482 --> 00:23:59,958
at Pitzer College has written books
522
00:23:59,958 --> 00:24:02,640
on masculine relationships.
523
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,670
- Some people say masculinity
is that what which men do
524
00:24:05,670 --> 00:24:08,694
and whatever men do is
considered masculine and so
525
00:24:08,694 --> 00:24:10,820
that can have a wider range.
526
00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:12,770
- [Narrator] However, there
are some very traditional
527
00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:15,360
ideals of what it means to be a man.
528
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,450
Gregory Cason is a
psychologist in Los Angeles.
529
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:20,862
- Masculinity is often only
identified with strength
530
00:24:20,862 --> 00:24:23,654
and fortitude and conquest.
531
00:24:23,654 --> 00:24:26,634
For some people, it could
be a hypersexuality and
532
00:24:26,634 --> 00:24:29,593
for some people it could
be a very macho appearance
533
00:24:29,593 --> 00:24:32,172
or, for some people, being
the head of the boardroom
534
00:24:32,172 --> 00:24:33,773
or being a leader in some way.
535
00:24:33,773 --> 00:24:35,567
- Media seems to reinforce
this notion that to be
536
00:24:35,567 --> 00:24:38,802
masculine is to be heterosexual.
537
00:24:38,802 --> 00:24:41,646
The crisis of identity many
gay men have is they may have
538
00:24:41,646 --> 00:24:45,276
attraction to other men and therefore,
539
00:24:45,276 --> 00:24:47,616
they think they can't be masculine
540
00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:48,962
and they wrestle with this.
541
00:24:48,962 --> 00:24:51,848
- I often look at the
people who are more feminine
542
00:24:51,848 --> 00:24:54,755
and can not hide it as the
ones who really learn early
543
00:24:54,755 --> 00:24:57,464
what it is to be a man.
544
00:24:57,464 --> 00:25:00,272
If they don't have sports
ability, they can't pass.
545
00:25:00,272 --> 00:25:03,800
If they don't have the masculine
voice, they can't pass.
546
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,831
So, they're gonna be the ones
who are subject to bullying.
547
00:25:05,831 --> 00:25:08,462
They are gonna be the
ones who are marginalized
548
00:25:08,462 --> 00:25:11,525
and they learn what it is to
stand alone and be strong.
549
00:25:11,525 --> 00:25:13,298
- My tattoo is sissy.
550
00:25:13,298 --> 00:25:16,127
It's my first and only tattoo.
551
00:25:16,127 --> 00:25:19,538
I wanted to make it something
that made people think
552
00:25:19,538 --> 00:25:23,102
and show people that I can fight back and
553
00:25:23,102 --> 00:25:26,480
be myself and reclaim some things.
554
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,120
- [Narrator] Mark Snyder
has been fighting straight
555
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,665
stereotypes of masculinity his entire life
556
00:25:31,665 --> 00:25:34,104
with sometimes dangerous consequences.
557
00:25:34,104 --> 00:25:37,556
- My femininity, especially
when I wear my big sunglasses,
558
00:25:37,556 --> 00:25:39,698
in particular, I don't know why,
559
00:25:39,698 --> 00:25:43,677
it totally sparks a violent
reaction in some straight men.
560
00:25:43,677 --> 00:25:46,698
They look at me and immediately
they react violently
561
00:25:46,698 --> 00:25:50,208
and they yell and they
get really angry at me.
562
00:25:50,208 --> 00:25:52,200
My boyfriend and I had
beer bottles thrown at us
563
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,423
just a couple weeks ago.
564
00:25:53,423 --> 00:25:55,280
And it's in San Francisco.
565
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,710
- We were waiting for the bus
and then, all of a sudden,
566
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:58,904
this car zooms past us
567
00:25:58,904 --> 00:25:59,737
(glass shattering)
568
00:25:59,737 --> 00:26:01,163
and a beer bottle was thrown at us and
569
00:26:01,163 --> 00:26:04,686
then the guys were
laughing, saying "faggots."
570
00:26:04,686 --> 00:26:07,302
- Sometimes, the more masculine,
the more straight-acting
571
00:26:07,302 --> 00:26:10,442
gay guys are shocked to
hear what we go through.
572
00:26:10,442 --> 00:26:12,507
Every day, I check myself, like am I safe,
573
00:26:12,507 --> 00:26:15,315
every moment that I step out of my house.
574
00:26:15,315 --> 00:26:19,482
I feel a sense of looking
around to gauge my safety.
575
00:26:20,832 --> 00:26:22,688
- I feel like I have to watch my back
576
00:26:22,688 --> 00:26:23,973
more when we're together.
577
00:26:23,973 --> 00:26:25,429
We stand out more.
578
00:26:25,429 --> 00:26:27,212
But, we have each other.
579
00:26:27,212 --> 00:26:30,722
We support each other so
whatever experience we handle,
580
00:26:30,722 --> 00:26:34,154
we experience it together
and that brings us closer.
581
00:26:34,154 --> 00:26:35,751
- [Narrator] Mark works
for an advocacy group
582
00:26:35,751 --> 00:26:38,132
in San Francisco helping gay and
583
00:26:38,132 --> 00:26:40,176
lesbian families adopt children.
584
00:26:40,176 --> 00:26:42,690
He grew up in rural Pennsylvania.
585
00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:43,686
- Most of the folks where
I am from are farmers
586
00:26:43,686 --> 00:26:46,515
and right-wing Republicans and really into
587
00:26:46,515 --> 00:26:48,972
their fundamentalist right-wing churches.
588
00:26:48,972 --> 00:26:51,916
So, growing up there, I
just felt different on
589
00:26:51,916 --> 00:26:54,726
a multitude of levels, not
just because of my femininity.
590
00:26:54,726 --> 00:26:57,164
It was very, very challenging.
591
00:26:57,164 --> 00:27:00,397
I knew I was different
even before kindergarten.
592
00:27:00,397 --> 00:27:01,902
I just never fit in.
593
00:27:01,902 --> 00:27:04,574
I always wanted to play with
the Barbies or the girl toys.
594
00:27:04,574 --> 00:27:07,472
The other little boys were
out being rambunctious
595
00:27:07,472 --> 00:27:09,817
or playing sport type things.
596
00:27:09,817 --> 00:27:12,411
Just my appearance was
different and the way I talked
597
00:27:12,411 --> 00:27:15,572
was very feminine and
expressive with emotion.
598
00:27:15,572 --> 00:27:18,282
I just didn't fit in at
all to the rigid standards
599
00:27:18,282 --> 00:27:20,642
for what men and women do.
600
00:27:20,642 --> 00:27:23,196
My uncle always jokes
that he knew I was gay
601
00:27:23,196 --> 00:27:25,146
when I was like, four years
old, and I wouldn't stop
602
00:27:25,146 --> 00:27:28,167
watching the Bette Midler concert on tape.
603
00:27:28,167 --> 00:27:30,314
I would rewind and watch
Bette Midler over and over.
604
00:27:30,314 --> 00:27:32,844
My uncle is gay and that's when he knew,
605
00:27:32,844 --> 00:27:34,854
long before I knew.
606
00:27:34,854 --> 00:27:38,406
By third grade, when I
learned the word gay,
607
00:27:38,406 --> 00:27:41,214
I started to try those things
to butch up a little bit
608
00:27:41,214 --> 00:27:44,276
because, at that point, the
boys are starting to toughen up.
609
00:27:44,276 --> 00:27:46,458
I would play on the swings
and play with the girls
610
00:27:46,458 --> 00:27:50,220
but I tried out for basketball
and totally failed at that.
611
00:27:50,220 --> 00:27:52,680
Once seventh grade hit,
that was high school,
612
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,254
and then I was in building
with all the older boys and
613
00:27:55,254 --> 00:27:58,488
they just immediately
started harassing me.
614
00:27:58,488 --> 00:28:00,344
The first day of seventh grade,
615
00:28:00,344 --> 00:28:02,136
they started calling me faggot and queer,
616
00:28:02,136 --> 00:28:05,316
pushing me into my locker,
kicking the back of my heels,
617
00:28:05,316 --> 00:28:07,520
spitting at me, throwing things.
618
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,931
I feared for my life a lot
of times in high school,
619
00:28:10,931 --> 00:28:13,598
not just because I was suicidal,
620
00:28:15,456 --> 00:28:19,860
but people were threatening
to kill me all the time.
621
00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:23,448
I would get death threats
in my locker, on my locker,
622
00:28:23,448 --> 00:28:27,343
carved in my desk, under the
windshield wiper of my car.
623
00:28:27,343 --> 00:28:30,777
People would yell things
and just be really violent
624
00:28:30,777 --> 00:28:32,726
and tell me they wanted to rape me and
625
00:28:32,726 --> 00:28:35,304
tell me they wanted to fuck me up.
626
00:28:35,304 --> 00:28:36,786
- [Narrator] Mark said he
survived those challenging years
627
00:28:36,786 --> 00:28:39,402
with help from gay support
groups on the internet.
628
00:28:39,402 --> 00:28:42,480
Mark went to school at the
University of Massachusetts
629
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,584
and started his own website, QueerToday,
630
00:28:45,584 --> 00:28:47,900
to help other kids facing
discrimination for being gay.
631
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:50,436
- I'm really proud of
being a sissy now that
632
00:28:50,436 --> 00:28:52,116
I'm not shameful about it.
633
00:28:52,116 --> 00:28:53,676
You're in the area now, right?
634
00:28:53,676 --> 00:28:55,392
I guess I've always felt a
little fire burning in me,
635
00:28:55,392 --> 00:28:57,454
keeping me going.
636
00:28:57,454 --> 00:28:59,739
Feeling like I'm making a
difference in other people's lives
637
00:28:59,739 --> 00:29:02,313
is the only thing that really
kept me going through that
638
00:29:02,313 --> 00:29:04,674
and knowing that once I got out,
639
00:29:04,674 --> 00:29:06,135
I could help other people
like me because around me,
640
00:29:06,135 --> 00:29:08,750
I saw people who weren't making it and
641
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:11,246
the suicide rates will prove that,
642
00:29:11,246 --> 00:29:14,366
even in Massachusetts, which
is like, super-liberal,
643
00:29:14,366 --> 00:29:16,686
the gay kids are five times
more likely to kill themselves.
644
00:29:16,686 --> 00:29:20,175
I'm lucky to have parents
who supported me and
645
00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:22,536
a whole family that loved
me and supported me and
646
00:29:22,536 --> 00:29:24,543
without that, I would have
definitely killed myself.
647
00:29:24,543 --> 00:29:28,225
(gentle orchestral music)
648
00:29:28,225 --> 00:29:30,570
- [Narrator] Trevor Hoppe
also suffered abuse from his
649
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:32,265
classmates growing up and it
lingers with him to this day.
650
00:29:32,265 --> 00:29:35,519
- I still live with, on the one hand,
651
00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:39,808
trying to express my effeminate
self and on the other hand,
652
00:29:39,808 --> 00:29:43,398
still feeling this thing in
the back of my head that says
653
00:29:43,398 --> 00:29:44,608
"Don't do it.
654
00:29:44,608 --> 00:29:46,695
"You're supposed to act like a man."
655
00:29:46,695 --> 00:29:49,760
- [Narrator] Trevor was
raised in North Carolina.
656
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,558
He has fond memories of grade school.
657
00:29:50,558 --> 00:29:52,910
- I remember being sort
of a happy-go-lucky,
658
00:29:52,910 --> 00:29:56,424
skipping down the hallway,
singing kind of boy,
659
00:29:56,424 --> 00:29:58,605
always with a smile on my face.
660
00:29:58,605 --> 00:30:01,100
- [Narrator] But, when
he entered middle school,
661
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:02,648
things changed.
662
00:30:02,648 --> 00:30:04,614
- From, you know, kicking the
shit out of me in the hallway
663
00:30:04,614 --> 00:30:08,358
to throwing rocks at my head
to being labeled as a faggot
664
00:30:08,358 --> 00:30:11,191
before I even knew that I was gay.
665
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:15,924
I didn't know that boys were
supposed to sort of act tough,
666
00:30:15,924 --> 00:30:19,455
keep a straight face
and beat other guys up.
667
00:30:19,455 --> 00:30:22,362
I didn't know how to be a boy, really.
668
00:30:22,362 --> 00:30:24,445
I just knew how to be me.
669
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,737
There was a short amount of time where
670
00:30:28,737 --> 00:30:30,630
I really just, I shut down.
671
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:31,467
I stopped smiling.
672
00:30:31,467 --> 00:30:33,942
I stopped skipping down the halls.
673
00:30:33,942 --> 00:30:36,500
I just sort of shuffled
from class to class.
674
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:38,175
- [Narrator] Trevor said one day,
675
00:30:38,175 --> 00:30:40,355
he just quit trying to play it straight.
676
00:30:40,355 --> 00:30:43,812
Going from wearing Abercrombie
and Fitch to try to fit in
677
00:30:43,812 --> 00:30:48,372
to wearing four-inch platform
heels and spiky orange hair.
678
00:30:48,372 --> 00:30:50,806
If I was going to be a
faggot no matter what I did,
679
00:30:50,806 --> 00:30:53,931
I might as well be all the
faggot that I could be.
680
00:30:53,931 --> 00:30:56,271
I was going to get called
a faggot whether I tried to
681
00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:58,106
hide it or whether I
slammed it in their face and
682
00:30:58,106 --> 00:30:59,100
it turned out that when I
slammed it in their face,
683
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:03,486
everybody shut the fuck up
because they were too scared
684
00:31:03,486 --> 00:31:05,231
to say anything because I
looked like I would cut a bitch.
685
00:31:05,231 --> 00:31:06,640
I mean, you know?
686
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:06,897
(chuckling)
687
00:31:06,897 --> 00:31:09,931
- [Narrator] After graduating
from Chapel Hill University,
688
00:31:09,931 --> 00:31:12,703
Trevor decided to explore
the issues of masculinity
689
00:31:12,703 --> 00:31:15,802
from a self-described queer perspective.
690
00:31:15,802 --> 00:31:17,716
He sought out essays and experiences from
691
00:31:17,716 --> 00:31:20,140
a wide range of gay men who did not
692
00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:23,134
fit into traditional
stereotypes of manhood.
693
00:31:23,134 --> 00:31:24,559
He launched a website,
694
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:25,942
Beyond Masculinity:
695
00:31:25,942 --> 00:31:29,104
Essays by Queer Men on
Gender and Politics.
696
00:31:29,104 --> 00:31:31,870
- There was nothing really
out there about how to be
697
00:31:31,870 --> 00:31:34,564
a queer man, what that could look like,
698
00:31:34,564 --> 00:31:38,344
how to be a progressive,
feminist, thoughtful queer guy.
699
00:31:38,344 --> 00:31:42,676
I wanted to refute a little
bit the idea that everybody
700
00:31:42,676 --> 00:31:46,612
who looks like me is
sort of dumb, out of it,
701
00:31:46,612 --> 00:31:50,866
and really only into
fashion, which is bullshit.
702
00:31:50,866 --> 00:31:54,802
I just wanted to show that
there are many different
703
00:31:54,802 --> 00:31:57,766
kinds of us and we all have
particular kinds of struggles
704
00:31:57,766 --> 00:32:00,847
and issues but we're all thriving.
705
00:32:00,847 --> 00:32:03,673
- [Narrator] Trevor is working on a PhD at
706
00:32:03,673 --> 00:32:05,870
the University of Michigan in Sociology.
707
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:08,940
He plans to teach but Trevor has already
708
00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:09,963
learned a lot about himself.
709
00:32:09,963 --> 00:32:13,186
- The latest phase has been
really trying to question
710
00:32:13,186 --> 00:32:16,686
the bitch inside me that I learned through
711
00:32:17,565 --> 00:32:19,972
high school as a defense mechanism but
712
00:32:19,972 --> 00:32:22,796
I carried with me into college.
713
00:32:22,796 --> 00:32:26,360
I feel like many gay men
don that mask as a way
714
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,360
to prevent themselves
from being hurt by others.
715
00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:34,480
I think the unfortunate thing
is that we then carry that
716
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,647
into our communities and turn
our ammunition on each other.
717
00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:45,927
♫ I sleep with one eye open
718
00:32:47,251 --> 00:32:52,680
♫ You make love with one foot out the door
719
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,431
♫ I must really like
getting my heart broken
720
00:32:56,431 --> 00:33:00,348
♫ I keep jumping back for more
721
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:04,876
- It's a way to embrace both
the sensitive side of myself
722
00:33:04,876 --> 00:33:09,190
and the masculine rock inside
of myself in one package.
723
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:12,326
- [Narrator] It took Brent
Calderwood many years to figure
724
00:33:12,326 --> 00:33:15,332
out an expression of himself
that was uniquely his.
725
00:33:15,332 --> 00:33:16,950
Just like many other gay boys,
726
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:20,418
he faced a cruel childhood
for not fitting in.
727
00:33:20,418 --> 00:33:21,904
- Well, I was a little sissy-boy.
728
00:33:21,904 --> 00:33:25,648
I had braces and glasses
and was overweight.
729
00:33:25,648 --> 00:33:27,869
I think I made an easy target.
730
00:33:27,869 --> 00:33:31,670
- [Narrator] Brent drew strength
from his artistic talents.
731
00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:33,324
In addition to his
singing and songwriting,
732
00:33:33,324 --> 00:33:36,584
Brent became a prolific
writer and graphic artist.
733
00:33:36,584 --> 00:33:40,115
In 1993, at the age of 15, he
drew a nationally distributed
734
00:33:40,115 --> 00:33:42,668
comic strip about his coming out.
735
00:33:42,668 --> 00:33:45,965
- I realized that it was a
great way to educate kids
736
00:33:45,965 --> 00:33:49,318
because a lot of kids
would read the piece and
737
00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:52,418
not even realize that it
was about a gay theme and
738
00:33:52,418 --> 00:33:55,637
then suddenly, halfway through,
they'd already be hooked.
739
00:33:55,637 --> 00:33:59,120
The media pounced on that
because, back in '92, '93,
740
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,538
there weren't a lot of 16
year old who could articulate,
741
00:34:02,538 --> 00:34:04,217
who were out at all,
742
00:34:04,217 --> 00:34:07,144
let alone could articulate
what that experience was like.
743
00:34:07,144 --> 00:34:09,500
- [Narrator] Brent's sexuality
attracted even more attention
744
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,278
when he shook up one of the most venerable
745
00:34:11,278 --> 00:34:12,932
institutions of high school.
746
00:34:12,932 --> 00:34:14,882
- I woke up and there I
was on the front page of
747
00:34:14,882 --> 00:34:17,185
The Oakland Tribune and the first line was
748
00:34:17,185 --> 00:34:19,640
"Brent Calderwood, 17, plans to take
749
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,136
"a male date to his senior prom."
750
00:34:22,136 --> 00:34:25,568
That just really upped the
ante in terms of harassment,
751
00:34:25,568 --> 00:34:28,709
getting death threats
and people yelling at me,
752
00:34:28,709 --> 00:34:33,287
not only in class and in
hallways, but also adults in town.
753
00:34:33,287 --> 00:34:36,316
- [Narrator] Brent is now
studying at the University
754
00:34:36,316 --> 00:34:37,564
of California Berkeley.
755
00:34:37,564 --> 00:34:40,642
He plans to become a
counselor helping gay youth.
756
00:34:40,642 --> 00:34:44,408
- Whether we're effeminate or
masculine by cultural standard
757
00:34:44,408 --> 00:34:47,860
we all grow up as men,
and especially as gay men,
758
00:34:47,860 --> 00:34:51,194
learning to look through
a magnifying glass at
759
00:34:51,194 --> 00:34:53,141
how we're performing masculinity.
760
00:34:53,141 --> 00:34:56,555
There's a potential feeling
that we have of I failed
761
00:34:56,555 --> 00:34:59,674
and then the irony is
that once we come out,
762
00:34:59,674 --> 00:35:02,582
rather than create this
brave new world or whatever,
763
00:35:02,582 --> 00:35:06,190
we turn to those high
school dynamics of trying
764
00:35:06,190 --> 00:35:07,373
to prove our masculinity.
765
00:35:07,373 --> 00:35:10,540
(school bell ringing)
766
00:35:15,633 --> 00:35:18,551
- My masculinity was
never a problem for me.
767
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:21,628
I never thought that I was not masculine.
768
00:35:21,628 --> 00:35:24,376
I always knew I was a
pretty masculine guy.
769
00:35:24,376 --> 00:35:28,103
- [Narrator] Wes Adams works
as a Teamster truck driver
770
00:35:28,103 --> 00:35:31,125
on film and television sets in Hollywood
771
00:35:31,125 --> 00:35:33,420
and around the country.
772
00:35:34,323 --> 00:35:37,485
Wes met a lot of
celebrities over the years.
773
00:35:37,485 --> 00:35:39,531
He also played a part in
the Academy Award-winning
774
00:35:39,531 --> 00:35:42,800
Western epic, Dances With
Wolves, starring Kevin Costner.
775
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,989
In the film, Wes stars
as an unlucky settler
776
00:35:44,989 --> 00:35:46,656
attacked by Indians.
777
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:50,666
- I work with a different
crew on just about every
778
00:35:50,666 --> 00:35:51,971
project I work on.
779
00:35:51,971 --> 00:35:53,999
They talk about their
families and their wives
780
00:35:53,999 --> 00:35:55,871
and their kids and for example,
781
00:35:55,871 --> 00:35:57,160
this show that I just started.
782
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,584
This guy says,
783
00:35:58,584 --> 00:35:59,556
"Hey, Wes, are you married?"
784
00:35:59,556 --> 00:36:00,535
And I said no, and he goes,
785
00:36:00,535 --> 00:36:01,626
"Do you have kids?"
786
00:36:01,626 --> 00:36:02,657
And I said, no and I said,
787
00:36:02,657 --> 00:36:03,848
"I'm gay and I've been
in a relationship with
788
00:36:03,848 --> 00:36:05,876
"my partner for 10 years."
789
00:36:05,876 --> 00:36:09,386
And that usually takes
people aback a little bit
790
00:36:09,386 --> 00:36:11,158
and they always say,
791
00:36:11,158 --> 00:36:13,251
"Oh, I never would have
known in a million years."
792
00:36:13,251 --> 00:36:14,729
And I'm like, "What is gay to you?"
793
00:36:14,729 --> 00:36:16,190
You know?
794
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:18,471
- [Narrator] Wes did not
come out until his late 20s.
795
00:36:18,471 --> 00:36:20,270
- I thought being gay
was a bad thing because
796
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:23,187
all I'd ever heard was predators,
797
00:36:23,187 --> 00:36:26,700
men lurking around in
parks, preying on children.
798
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:31,211
If someone was homosexual,
it was deviant behavior
799
00:36:31,211 --> 00:36:34,306
and that's just the way it was.
800
00:36:34,306 --> 00:36:36,806
- [Announcer] Public restrooms
can often be a hangout
801
00:36:36,806 --> 00:36:38,678
for the homosexual.
802
00:36:38,678 --> 00:36:40,664
Bobby and his friends
hadn't noticed the man
803
00:36:40,664 --> 00:36:44,250
who had been in the
restroom when they changed.
804
00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:45,776
(suspenseful music)
805
00:36:45,776 --> 00:36:48,518
One never knows when
the homosexual is about.
806
00:36:48,518 --> 00:36:50,861
He may appear normal and
it may be too late when
807
00:36:50,861 --> 00:36:53,378
you discover he is mentally ill.
808
00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:57,320
- As a kid, we go through
so much mental agony.
809
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,454
We start having these feelings
that we're told are wrong
810
00:37:01,454 --> 00:37:05,135
and we don't know how
to deal with them and
811
00:37:05,135 --> 00:37:07,705
we fight it with every
fiber that we have and
812
00:37:07,705 --> 00:37:11,547
try to do whatever we
can to be straight and
813
00:37:11,547 --> 00:37:14,283
pray to God to make us straight.
814
00:37:14,283 --> 00:37:15,665
We go through it alone.
815
00:37:15,665 --> 00:37:18,490
There's nobody to talk to and
as a child, that's horrible.
816
00:37:18,490 --> 00:37:22,412
The reason I didn't come out
was because I was worried
817
00:37:22,412 --> 00:37:25,748
about how I'd be perceived
by my co-workers,
818
00:37:25,748 --> 00:37:28,109
my family, my friends,
so I just kind of lived
819
00:37:28,109 --> 00:37:30,293
in my own shell for the longest time.
820
00:37:30,293 --> 00:37:33,590
After I came out myself,
I started going out and
821
00:37:33,590 --> 00:37:35,243
meeting people and
realizing that there are
822
00:37:35,243 --> 00:37:38,483
tons of guys just like me out there.
823
00:37:38,483 --> 00:37:41,483
Who is it to deny anybody happiness?
824
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:47,276
You're gonna be who you're
gonna be and if you're not,
825
00:37:47,276 --> 00:37:48,874
you're not happy.
826
00:37:48,874 --> 00:37:50,750
I think you see drag
queens now and that's why
827
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:53,260
they're so strong mentally.
828
00:37:53,260 --> 00:37:55,388
They don't take shit from anybody.
829
00:37:55,388 --> 00:37:57,884
And the queeny guys, they
don't take shit from anybody
830
00:37:57,884 --> 00:38:00,188
because they had to deal with it.
831
00:38:00,188 --> 00:38:01,521
I could hide it.
832
00:38:03,713 --> 00:38:07,400
(bluesy guitar music)
833
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,483
- This is Ty.
834
00:38:13,406 --> 00:38:14,739
Isn't that nice?
835
00:38:15,822 --> 00:38:17,441
(chuckling)
836
00:38:17,441 --> 00:38:20,950
So, Ty and I would go to different events,
837
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:25,163
any corporate events
that would hire us and
838
00:38:25,163 --> 00:38:28,127
we would walk around
and people would want to
839
00:38:28,127 --> 00:38:29,960
come up and touch him.
840
00:38:32,849 --> 00:38:34,175
They fear falling so the
moment you let go of them,
841
00:38:34,175 --> 00:38:35,756
they start to freak
out so the more secure,
842
00:38:35,756 --> 00:38:37,673
that masculine feeling,
843
00:38:40,139 --> 00:38:43,556
they become more comfortable and relaxed.
844
00:38:47,598 --> 00:38:49,521
- [Narrator] David Aguilar
has used his physical prowess
845
00:38:49,521 --> 00:38:51,647
to his advantage over the years.
846
00:38:51,647 --> 00:38:56,504
- Here's a picture of me on
one of the posters for one of
847
00:38:56,504 --> 00:39:00,363
the events that happened in
San Francisco a long time ago.
848
00:39:00,363 --> 00:39:03,992
This was called Superball
and I was the cover boy
849
00:39:03,992 --> 00:39:05,181
for the performance.
850
00:39:05,181 --> 00:39:06,820
I get a lot of people saying,
851
00:39:06,820 --> 00:39:09,160
"Now, you're what
masculine is" and er-er-er.
852
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,617
Like, thank you.
853
00:39:10,617 --> 00:39:13,503
- [Narrator] David also
brings brains to the brawn.
854
00:39:13,503 --> 00:39:17,180
He's a successful IT
consultant in San Francisco.
855
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:21,131
- I had really interesting
feelings as a young boy.
856
00:39:21,131 --> 00:39:23,197
I've always known that I was attracted to
857
00:39:23,197 --> 00:39:25,249
the masculine energy.
858
00:39:25,249 --> 00:39:27,197
When I was 13 years old,
people would ask me who my role
859
00:39:27,197 --> 00:39:29,942
model was and I didn't know
what a role model meant to me.
860
00:39:29,942 --> 00:39:32,930
I used to walk to and from school.
861
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:35,368
On my way home, I would
hear this tapping and
862
00:39:35,368 --> 00:39:38,722
I walked into this studio and
these girls were tap dancing
863
00:39:38,722 --> 00:39:41,473
and the teacher actually had
asked me, did I like dancing.
864
00:39:41,473 --> 00:39:43,900
I didn't know.
865
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:45,800
I never paid for a dance lesson
in my life because of being
866
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,893
a man in ballet, it's a
rarity so they'll take boys
867
00:39:49,893 --> 00:39:51,962
whenever they can get them.
868
00:39:51,962 --> 00:39:55,100
I think that it helped me
with growing up without
869
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:59,938
a solid male influence in my
life because my dad and my mom
870
00:39:59,938 --> 00:40:01,868
divorced when I was three years old.
871
00:40:01,868 --> 00:40:03,448
So, I kind of grew up
basically raising myself.
872
00:40:03,448 --> 00:40:06,878
The ballet, the structure,
the repetitiveness,
873
00:40:06,878 --> 00:40:10,973
the security that it
gave me inside myself,
874
00:40:10,973 --> 00:40:14,581
it actually helped me
install that in my life.
875
00:40:14,581 --> 00:40:18,289
So, I just basically took the
discipline that I had from
876
00:40:18,289 --> 00:40:22,456
the ballet and applied that
into my working-out schedule.
877
00:40:28,306 --> 00:40:30,670
When people called me
Muscle Boy, I was shocked.
878
00:40:30,670 --> 00:40:31,705
I'm not a muscle boy.
879
00:40:31,705 --> 00:40:34,545
I don't think I'm a muscle boy.
880
00:40:34,545 --> 00:40:38,504
I got a ton more attention
and that wasn't, again,
881
00:40:38,504 --> 00:40:40,785
my driver to working out harder.
882
00:40:40,785 --> 00:40:42,544
It was, again, just the discipline.
883
00:40:42,544 --> 00:40:46,270
I don't believe that
muscles equal masculine.
884
00:40:46,270 --> 00:40:50,930
I think masculine is in the
mind of whoever possesses it.
885
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:55,509
I would describe masculine
as a very safe, secure energy
886
00:40:55,509 --> 00:40:59,426
and when I'm in the
presence of the person that
887
00:41:01,669 --> 00:41:04,387
I love and I'm with, I feel
completely safe with that person
888
00:41:04,387 --> 00:41:07,523
and to feel that is the
most amazing experience.
889
00:41:07,523 --> 00:41:11,440
("Situation" by Ex-Boyfriends)
890
00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:28,505
♫ Sell me your arm
891
00:41:28,505 --> 00:41:31,702
♫ It's an emergency
892
00:41:31,702 --> 00:41:34,396
♫ You're waving your arms
893
00:41:34,396 --> 00:41:36,340
- [Narrator] Indie rock
band, Ex-Boyfriends,
894
00:41:36,340 --> 00:41:38,629
was bound by some old
stereotypes as it tried
895
00:41:38,629 --> 00:41:41,240
to break into the music industry.
896
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,282
♫ We've seen this all before
897
00:41:44,282 --> 00:41:47,287
- It's just this cultural
mindset that being gay
898
00:41:47,287 --> 00:41:50,830
means you're feminine and
feminine people can't rock,
899
00:41:50,830 --> 00:41:54,208
(upbeat pop rock music)
900
00:41:54,208 --> 00:41:57,370
which is one of the most ridiculous things
901
00:41:57,370 --> 00:41:58,857
I think I've ever encountered.
902
00:41:58,857 --> 00:42:01,327
- Maybe it has to do with the fact, like,
903
00:42:01,327 --> 00:42:03,433
music critics, the majority of them are
904
00:42:03,433 --> 00:42:05,800
just like white, straight males.
905
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,505
They always have to bring up, you know,
906
00:42:07,505 --> 00:42:08,482
"This gay rock group is
actually pretty good!"
907
00:42:08,482 --> 00:42:09,455
- Right.
908
00:42:09,455 --> 00:42:12,338
- I'm like, well, we're just a group.
909
00:42:12,338 --> 00:42:15,671
(upbeat pop rock music)
910
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:21,430
- They have this cultural
mindset that if you're up there
911
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:24,784
doing this shreddy guitar
solo or beating the hell
912
00:42:24,784 --> 00:42:27,535
out of a drum kit, you're manly.
913
00:42:27,535 --> 00:42:30,868
(upbeat pop rock music)
914
00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:39,170
I don't think you see a lot
of gay men in the world of
915
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:41,887
rock music becoming really famous.
916
00:42:41,887 --> 00:42:43,718
We all knew George
Michael was gay for years.
917
00:42:43,718 --> 00:42:46,580
We all knew The Pet Shop
Boys were gay for years,
918
00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:48,767
and Michael Stipe from
R.E.M. but it's this thing
919
00:42:48,767 --> 00:42:50,640
that gets danced around for so long.
920
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:51,731
"Oh, we're polysexual," or
921
00:42:51,731 --> 00:42:53,988
"we just don't like to talk about it."
922
00:42:53,988 --> 00:42:58,290
I think that's managers and
representatives being like,
923
00:42:58,290 --> 00:43:01,987
you know what, you'll have
more mass popularity if this is
924
00:43:01,987 --> 00:43:05,487
something that's never concretely defined.
925
00:43:09,523 --> 00:43:10,863
- [Narrator] Still, with each guitar riff,
926
00:43:10,863 --> 00:43:13,478
Ex-Boyfriends is making
headway for gay rockers and
927
00:43:13,478 --> 00:43:16,224
cracking some of those old stereotypes.
928
00:43:16,224 --> 00:43:18,450
The group released two successful
CDs, is working on a third
929
00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:20,617
and has a new music video.
930
00:43:22,563 --> 00:43:24,944
Ex-Boyfriends was also
named Best Indie Rock Band
931
00:43:24,944 --> 00:43:29,160
by readers of the San Francisco
Bay Area Guardian newspaper.
932
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,753
- And it was Best Gay Indie Band or
933
00:43:30,753 --> 00:43:32,292
Best Queer Band or anything.
934
00:43:32,292 --> 00:43:34,209
It was Best Indie Band.
935
00:43:35,102 --> 00:43:39,420
It's nice to just share
that without the qualifier.
936
00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:42,459
(light orchestral music)
937
00:43:47,736 --> 00:43:50,138
- [Narrator] The issue of
masculinity stirs passions,
938
00:43:50,138 --> 00:43:51,657
not only in the gay community but
939
00:43:51,657 --> 00:43:54,157
in the straight world as well.
940
00:43:55,323 --> 00:43:57,606
Larry Gross is head of the
School of Communication at
941
00:43:57,606 --> 00:43:59,711
the University of Southern California.
942
00:43:59,711 --> 00:44:02,676
- It's a hot-button issue
in American culture.
943
00:44:02,676 --> 00:44:04,582
This is a culture in which men seem
944
00:44:04,582 --> 00:44:08,390
very concerned about
issues of masculinity.
945
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:10,808
Gay men aren't part of that culture.
946
00:44:10,808 --> 00:44:12,914
- [Narrator] However, the
definition of masculinity
947
00:44:12,914 --> 00:44:14,683
can change over time.
948
00:44:14,683 --> 00:44:16,518
- There are different
ways that people enact
949
00:44:16,518 --> 00:44:18,900
what it means to be masculine.
950
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,900
Historically as well
as contemporary times,
951
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:23,772
men were often seen as very gallant,
952
00:44:23,772 --> 00:44:26,251
would have very intimate friends like
953
00:44:26,251 --> 00:44:28,416
Jonathan and David in the
Bible or Achilles and Patroclus
954
00:44:28,416 --> 00:44:32,414
in the Iliad and they would
go into battle together.
955
00:44:32,414 --> 00:44:35,748
Men would stand side by side
to deal with their friendships,
956
00:44:35,748 --> 00:44:37,871
to deal with their intimacy.
957
00:44:37,871 --> 00:44:40,662
Certainly, a lot of notions
that we have about masculine
958
00:44:40,662 --> 00:44:41,655
and feminine have historically
been tied up in class.
959
00:44:41,655 --> 00:44:45,336
The notion of the
working class was seen as
960
00:44:45,336 --> 00:44:48,954
more masculine, more
rugged, more brutish where
961
00:44:48,954 --> 00:44:52,877
upper class was more
refined and in some ways
962
00:44:52,877 --> 00:44:54,960
more feminine and demure.
963
00:44:58,381 --> 00:45:00,798
You travel to some Mediterranean cultures,
964
00:45:00,798 --> 00:45:03,622
or some Latin cultures and
even some Asian cultures
965
00:45:03,622 --> 00:45:06,250
and you notice that men, heterosexual men,
966
00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:08,323
will walk sometimes arm-in-arm.
967
00:45:08,323 --> 00:45:09,670
They will touch each other more,
968
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:11,230
they will stand closer to each other.
969
00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:12,653
- A man will kiss another
man on each cheek.
970
00:45:12,653 --> 00:45:14,506
- Proof again that it's
a cultural difference,
971
00:45:14,506 --> 00:45:19,510
not something that's genetic,
biological, or DNA related.
972
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:21,714
That it has something to
do with what the culture
973
00:45:21,714 --> 00:45:24,220
allows people to do.
974
00:45:24,220 --> 00:45:26,321
It's really within the
United States we have
975
00:45:26,321 --> 00:45:29,560
a very rigid model of masculinity.
976
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,793
Rugged individualism was
about conquering the West,
977
00:45:33,793 --> 00:45:38,176
being stoic, being triumphant,
facing these kind of odds.
978
00:45:38,176 --> 00:45:40,906
Just two men hugging, utterly non-sexual,
979
00:45:40,906 --> 00:45:42,700
just an expression of affection,
980
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:45,685
would have been considered unmasculine.
981
00:45:45,685 --> 00:45:49,315
However, it does seem to
have brought it out a bit.
982
00:45:49,315 --> 00:45:52,315
We have a bit more space in terms of
983
00:45:52,315 --> 00:45:53,740
what it means to be masculine.
984
00:45:53,740 --> 00:45:55,321
Now, you can express
certain emotions although
985
00:45:55,321 --> 00:45:57,364
there is still the notion that
you're supposed to be strong.
986
00:45:57,364 --> 00:46:00,402
- Sports figures are on TV
and they cry over some problem
987
00:46:00,402 --> 00:46:03,790
or some loss that they've had.
988
00:46:03,790 --> 00:46:05,574
That's also changed.
989
00:46:05,574 --> 00:46:07,268
Sports figures being allowed to cry?
990
00:46:07,268 --> 00:46:09,127
Many people argue that today,
991
00:46:09,127 --> 00:46:11,920
the heterosexual man,
who is very emotional,
992
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,573
who acts as if he were more sensitive,
993
00:46:13,573 --> 00:46:17,118
is more tuned to his
clothing, to his hairstyles,
994
00:46:17,118 --> 00:46:19,640
has been labeled the metrosexual.
995
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,360
There have also been
words called the man-date,
996
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,809
or the bromance, for guys who are really
997
00:46:24,809 --> 00:46:28,163
close to one another, heterosexual
guys who get together,
998
00:46:28,163 --> 00:46:30,893
talk about their lives,
what their emotions are.
999
00:46:30,893 --> 00:46:34,481
So, something has happened
in our society in the last
1000
00:46:34,481 --> 00:46:37,698
20 to 30 years that has
changed the definition of
1001
00:46:37,698 --> 00:46:40,700
what it means to be masculine
and one of those things
1002
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:43,269
that it demonstrates is
that masculine is not
1003
00:46:43,269 --> 00:46:46,903
a fixed concept, that
it's constantly variable
1004
00:46:46,903 --> 00:46:48,903
and constantly changing.
1005
00:46:53,189 --> 00:46:55,118
- [Narrator] The concept of
what it means to be a man
1006
00:46:55,118 --> 00:46:57,785
may evolve over time, however,
there is no more iconic
1007
00:46:57,785 --> 00:47:01,394
figure of masculinity than the cowboy.
1008
00:47:01,394 --> 00:47:03,320
- The thing that I love
the most about being
1009
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,937
out on the horse is the
fact that you really
1010
00:47:05,937 --> 00:47:09,604
have to have communication
with that animal.
1011
00:47:09,604 --> 00:47:12,902
(upbeat country guitar music)
1012
00:47:12,902 --> 00:47:16,600
The definition of a barrel
horse is a controlled runaway.
1013
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,760
If that horse is running
at the speed of some
1014
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,924
40 to 60 miles an hour,
1015
00:47:21,924 --> 00:47:23,972
if you are not in tune
with that animal and
1016
00:47:23,972 --> 00:47:25,998
that horse decides to run away with you,
1017
00:47:25,998 --> 00:47:28,164
there's nothing that can stop that horse.
1018
00:47:28,164 --> 00:47:30,660
That is a huge, huge factor
when it comes to training
1019
00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:33,570
these horses and competing on them and
1020
00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:34,616
that's what I love so much.
1021
00:47:34,616 --> 00:47:35,906
- [Narrator] James and his partner, Matt,
1022
00:47:35,906 --> 00:47:37,557
could be described as the real-life
1023
00:47:37,557 --> 00:47:38,985
Brokeback Mountain cowboys.
1024
00:47:38,985 --> 00:47:41,694
The couple own a ranch
outside Scottsdale, Arizona.
1025
00:47:41,694 --> 00:47:45,343
- We have 15 horses between
myself and my partner, Matthew,
1026
00:47:45,343 --> 00:47:47,742
and we have two babies on the way.
1027
00:47:47,742 --> 00:47:51,486
We have six dogs, we have
cats, fish, you name it.
1028
00:47:51,486 --> 00:47:53,688
We've got a lot of animals on our ranch.
1029
00:47:53,688 --> 00:47:55,131
- What drew me to James,
there was, of course,
1030
00:47:55,131 --> 00:47:57,622
the initial attraction and then there was
1031
00:47:57,622 --> 00:47:59,605
what's kept us together,
1032
00:47:59,605 --> 00:48:02,698
what made me realize he
could be my partner was just
1033
00:48:02,698 --> 00:48:04,918
his values and morals
and our mutual goals,
1034
00:48:04,918 --> 00:48:06,166
what we want to do with our lives and
1035
00:48:06,166 --> 00:48:07,705
what we think is important,
1036
00:48:07,705 --> 00:48:08,990
the kind of people we want around us and
1037
00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:11,335
the kind of activities
and that we want to be
1038
00:48:11,335 --> 00:48:13,184
in a monogamous
relationship versus an open
1039
00:48:13,184 --> 00:48:16,684
and that we value our horses and property.
1040
00:48:19,893 --> 00:48:23,140
- [Narrator] James has spent
most of his life around horses.
1041
00:48:23,140 --> 00:48:25,219
- When I came out in the
straight horse community,
1042
00:48:25,219 --> 00:48:27,846
it was very jaded, I guess you could say.
1043
00:48:27,846 --> 00:48:29,608
You used to be able to go
in there and have nice,
1044
00:48:29,608 --> 00:48:32,137
easy conversations with
people and after a while,
1045
00:48:32,137 --> 00:48:34,851
when they found out, they
would turn their head.
1046
00:48:34,851 --> 00:48:36,976
It hasn't been until probably
just the last few years
1047
00:48:36,976 --> 00:48:40,960
where it's become more
and more accepted whereas
1048
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,613
many, many people have one,
come out of the closet that have
1049
00:48:42,613 --> 00:48:45,310
been in the horse show
industry, such as myself,
1050
00:48:45,310 --> 00:48:47,643
as well as your top trainers
and professional trainers
1051
00:48:47,643 --> 00:48:50,155
in the world that qualify and
go to the world every year now
1052
00:48:50,155 --> 00:48:52,326
have also come out of the closet and
1053
00:48:52,326 --> 00:48:54,510
it's become much, much more acceptable.
1054
00:48:54,510 --> 00:48:56,612
- [Narrator] James also
competes in many of the 20 or so
1055
00:48:56,612 --> 00:48:59,502
gay rodeos held across the United States
1056
00:48:59,502 --> 00:49:01,335
and Canada every year.
1057
00:49:02,581 --> 00:49:06,481
It can be just as rough-and-tumble
as any straight rodeo.
1058
00:49:06,481 --> 00:49:08,764
(crowds cheering)
1059
00:49:08,764 --> 00:49:12,660
(upbeat country guitar music)
1060
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:14,708
But the gay rodeos also
include a couple of events
1061
00:49:14,708 --> 00:49:17,500
you won't find on the straight circuit.
1062
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:18,924
In the Wild Drag Race, men
dress up in women's clothing
1063
00:49:18,924 --> 00:49:20,812
and try to mount a young steer.
1064
00:49:20,812 --> 00:49:24,229
Wonder where they came up with that idea.
1065
00:49:27,294 --> 00:49:28,538
Then, there's Goat Dressing,
1066
00:49:28,538 --> 00:49:30,623
where contestants try to
put underwear on a goat
1067
00:49:30,623 --> 00:49:33,206
in the quickest amount of time.
1068
00:49:34,154 --> 00:49:36,490
It's all part of the
campy side of gay rodeo
1069
00:49:36,490 --> 00:49:39,361
that makes the events, in a word, special.
1070
00:49:39,361 --> 00:49:42,601
(upbeat country guitar music)
1071
00:49:42,601 --> 00:49:44,605
- They call me Wild Wild
Wes on the rodeo circuit.
1072
00:49:44,605 --> 00:49:47,203
I'm a little bit on the
wild side when it comes to
1073
00:49:47,203 --> 00:49:51,370
the spirit and the energy
of what makes gay rodeo fun.
1074
00:49:52,929 --> 00:49:55,533
It's really cool that
we have the camp events.
1075
00:49:55,533 --> 00:49:58,614
We are gay and we enjoy fun things.
1076
00:49:58,614 --> 00:50:01,654
A new contestant that
maybe doesn't have a horse
1077
00:50:01,654 --> 00:50:04,150
and never owned a horse
but they'd like to be
1078
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:06,391
involved with gay rodeo,
they can actually go out
1079
00:50:06,391 --> 00:50:10,558
to the rodeo arena and have a
good time and actually compete
1080
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,852
- [Narrator] James said
when he was growing up,
1081
00:50:14,852 --> 00:50:16,708
he didn't know of any gay rodeos.
1082
00:50:16,708 --> 00:50:18,482
- I didn't know what gay was.
1083
00:50:18,482 --> 00:50:20,333
I just knew that it was something
that was not looked upon.
1084
00:50:20,333 --> 00:50:23,864
Honestly, until I was
probably 18 or 19 years old,
1085
00:50:23,864 --> 00:50:26,279
I had never met a gay person in my life.
1086
00:50:26,279 --> 00:50:27,842
I played the straight role until I was
1087
00:50:27,842 --> 00:50:29,459
in my early to mid 20s.
1088
00:50:29,459 --> 00:50:31,763
Any of my guy friends
that were being chummy,
1089
00:50:31,763 --> 00:50:33,178
that were just being good guys,
1090
00:50:33,178 --> 00:50:34,550
I would never allow them
to get close to me because
1091
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:37,160
I didn't want any
interaction to be stereotyped
1092
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,450
as being a gay man.
1093
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:40,400
I had a girlfriend for
many years and competed in
1094
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,364
the junior rodeo circuit and
no, everything was hush-hush.
1095
00:50:43,364 --> 00:50:45,896
That was not looked upon
as something was acceptable
1096
00:50:45,896 --> 00:50:48,533
in my family and then I
came to grips with myself
1097
00:50:48,533 --> 00:50:50,619
in terms that I had to just be me.
1098
00:50:50,619 --> 00:50:52,526
When I first come out of
the closet, my dad says,
1099
00:50:52,526 --> 00:50:54,222
"I hope you don't come home
wearing a pair of high heels."
1100
00:50:54,222 --> 00:50:55,273
You know?
1101
00:50:55,273 --> 00:50:57,674
But, you know, we laughed
upon it and I said,
1102
00:50:57,674 --> 00:50:59,857
"Dad, you would be surprised what
1103
00:50:59,857 --> 00:51:01,280
"I can do in a pair of high heels."
1104
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,857
My family is very accepting of it now.
1105
00:51:03,857 --> 00:51:06,332
There's a lot of images that
are portrayed out there of us
1106
00:51:06,332 --> 00:51:09,256
people that are gay and they understand
1107
00:51:09,256 --> 00:51:11,735
that we're just people, too.
1108
00:51:11,735 --> 00:51:13,400
Some people say it's chosen.
1109
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,465
I don't personally believe that.
1110
00:51:14,465 --> 00:51:16,394
In my situation, it's
something that I've known
1111
00:51:16,394 --> 00:51:18,989
ever since I was a child.
1112
00:51:18,989 --> 00:51:21,464
- [Narrator] Matt also tried
to play it straight for a while
1113
00:51:21,464 --> 00:51:22,988
but knew at a pretty young age he was gay.
1114
00:51:22,988 --> 00:51:26,888
- Well, I grew up in a very
rural town out in the middle
1115
00:51:26,888 --> 00:51:31,550
of beautiful rural Oregon, and
then I went on to date women.
1116
00:51:32,228 --> 00:51:35,348
To me, it was just playing the part.
1117
00:51:35,348 --> 00:51:37,300
I was doing what my
parents wanted me to do.
1118
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:38,687
If they had their way,
1119
00:51:38,687 --> 00:51:40,770
I would have gotten a
degree in agriculture and
1120
00:51:40,770 --> 00:51:42,698
been running a successful ranch
1121
00:51:42,698 --> 00:51:44,552
up there with them, which they do.
1122
00:51:44,552 --> 00:51:46,658
I just couldn't do it.
1123
00:51:46,658 --> 00:51:49,877
I felt like it was a lie to the girl.
1124
00:51:49,877 --> 00:51:51,884
It's too much of a show for me with women.
1125
00:51:51,884 --> 00:51:54,380
I remember I had to be the
big stud and do all this
1126
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:57,444
and put on this big man act
and now I want that back.
1127
00:51:57,444 --> 00:51:59,159
I want that, too!
1128
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:00,683
(chuckling)
1129
00:52:00,683 --> 00:52:02,258
- What is nice about
Matthew and I, my partner,
1130
00:52:02,258 --> 00:52:04,796
is we both are men and
we both carry that image.
1131
00:52:04,796 --> 00:52:06,491
Somebody that is not afraid
to get their hands dirty,
1132
00:52:06,491 --> 00:52:08,270
not afraid to go out
there and shovel but also
1133
00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:10,121
is not afraid to go in
the house and cook dinner
1134
00:52:10,121 --> 00:52:11,227
if they need to, also.
1135
00:52:11,227 --> 00:52:12,986
- Knowing that a guy has my back,
1136
00:52:12,986 --> 00:52:14,749
I always felt like that was kind of what
1137
00:52:14,749 --> 00:52:17,198
the man did for the woman
but I feel like I can protect
1138
00:52:17,198 --> 00:52:19,715
my partner as well as he can protect me.
1139
00:52:19,715 --> 00:52:21,977
No one gets anything over on us.
1140
00:52:21,977 --> 00:52:24,563
I feel like I'm pretty safe that way.
1141
00:52:24,563 --> 00:52:26,146
I feel very secure.
1142
00:52:28,544 --> 00:52:30,962
(men shouting)
1143
00:52:30,962 --> 00:52:33,712
(crowd cheering)
1144
00:52:37,733 --> 00:52:41,144
- The bull I got on today, he
was kind of nasty in the chute
1145
00:52:41,144 --> 00:52:43,727
and he made a quick right turn,
1146
00:52:45,548 --> 00:52:49,465
banged me up into the
gate and hit my elbow and
1147
00:52:51,574 --> 00:52:52,706
I lost all focus.
1148
00:52:52,706 --> 00:52:56,453
My instinct took over and that was to just
1149
00:52:56,453 --> 00:53:00,327
reach for something because
I was in a bad spot.
1150
00:53:00,327 --> 00:53:02,100
I was in trouble.
1151
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:04,619
- [Narrator] Steven Daigle became
1152
00:53:04,619 --> 00:53:07,681
America's favorite gay
cowboy when he appeared on
1153
00:53:07,681 --> 00:53:10,337
the CBS reality show, Big Brother.
1154
00:53:10,337 --> 00:53:12,167
- Just doing rodeo itself
is an adrenaline rush.
1155
00:53:12,167 --> 00:53:13,668
It's competition.
1156
00:53:13,668 --> 00:53:15,710
You're competing against yourself.
1157
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:16,280
You're competing against animals.
1158
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,762
You're competing against other people.
1159
00:53:17,762 --> 00:53:20,243
I don't know, it makes you
feel like you're living.
1160
00:53:20,243 --> 00:53:22,286
You actually get a lot
of notoriety out of it.
1161
00:53:22,286 --> 00:53:23,846
People love to watch it.
1162
00:53:23,846 --> 00:53:26,327
It's definitely good for getting a hug-up
1163
00:53:26,327 --> 00:53:28,178
every now and then.
1164
00:53:28,178 --> 00:53:29,305
(laughing)
1165
00:53:29,305 --> 00:53:30,773
To get on the back of
that bull and sit down,
1166
00:53:30,773 --> 00:53:32,834
you have to be mentally
ready, physically ready and
1167
00:53:32,834 --> 00:53:34,397
all of it's just exciting.
1168
00:53:34,397 --> 00:53:37,730
Gay cowboys are very
in the media right now.
1169
00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:40,563
(horse whinnying)
1170
00:53:42,821 --> 00:53:44,735
You want your 15 minutes, too?
1171
00:53:44,735 --> 00:53:47,990
Some of the things you never
got to see on the show,
1172
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:50,210
people were more shocked to
find out I was a bull rider
1173
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:52,119
than they were to find out I was gay.
1174
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:54,932
Like, when we had
conversations, people were like,
1175
00:53:54,932 --> 00:53:56,315
"Oh, you're gay, oh okay."
1176
00:53:56,315 --> 00:53:57,548
Then, they're like
1177
00:53:57,548 --> 00:53:58,631
"You ride bulls?
1178
00:53:58,631 --> 00:53:59,611
"Now way!"
1179
00:53:59,611 --> 00:54:00,584
They're like,
1180
00:54:00,584 --> 00:54:01,562
"Shut up!
1181
00:54:01,562 --> 00:54:02,831
"I can't believe you get
on the back of a bull!
1182
00:54:02,831 --> 00:54:03,824
"That's so crazy!"
1183
00:54:03,824 --> 00:54:07,798
People think that, like, a
gay guy couldn't ride a bull
1184
00:54:07,798 --> 00:54:10,901
or ride a bucking horse and
what they don't realize is that
1185
00:54:10,901 --> 00:54:13,943
I'm just as much of a man
as a straight man is but
1186
00:54:13,943 --> 00:54:15,935
there's a difference, I think,
1187
00:54:15,935 --> 00:54:18,134
between masculinity and being tough.
1188
00:54:18,134 --> 00:54:19,819
I think you can be very
masculine and not be tough
1189
00:54:19,819 --> 00:54:21,764
and I think a lot of these,
1190
00:54:21,764 --> 00:54:23,594
what you might call effeminate guys,
1191
00:54:23,594 --> 00:54:26,657
that are rodeo-ing, they
may be very effeminate
1192
00:54:26,657 --> 00:54:27,925
but they're tough.
1193
00:54:27,925 --> 00:54:31,550
(upbeat dance music)
1194
00:54:31,550 --> 00:54:33,438
♫ Oh oh
1195
00:54:33,438 --> 00:54:35,605
♫ Come on
1196
00:54:36,914 --> 00:54:39,200
- [Narrator] James and Steve
are also regular fixtures
1197
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,860
at gay rodeos but more
often you'll see them
1198
00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:43,796
in jean skirts instead of Wranglers.
1199
00:54:43,796 --> 00:54:45,340
A few years ago, the couple
decided to dress up in drag
1200
00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:47,590
to raise money for charity.
1201
00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:52,628
I wanted to prove to people
that you could still be a man
1202
00:54:52,628 --> 00:54:54,467
and wear a dress and raise
money but when it all comes off,
1203
00:54:54,467 --> 00:54:56,105
you're still a man no matter what.
1204
00:54:56,105 --> 00:54:59,552
I am just as rough and tumble
in drag as I am out of drag.
1205
00:54:59,552 --> 00:55:01,140
I've ridden bulls.
1206
00:55:01,140 --> 00:55:02,906
I've done steer riding.
1207
00:55:02,906 --> 00:55:04,274
I do chute-dogging.
1208
00:55:04,274 --> 00:55:06,926
- It takes a man to walk
around in a pair of heels.
1209
00:55:06,926 --> 00:55:08,286
Trust me.
1210
00:55:08,286 --> 00:55:09,557
It kills your feet.
1211
00:55:09,557 --> 00:55:13,265
Not only that, to have big
enough balls, shall I say,
1212
00:55:13,265 --> 00:55:16,697
to walk through a crowd of
say, a leather community,
1213
00:55:16,697 --> 00:55:19,619
in drag, and they're
looking at you thinking,
1214
00:55:19,619 --> 00:55:21,100
"Why do you belong here?"
1215
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,110
Then, by the time the night's over,
1216
00:55:23,110 --> 00:55:24,352
they're eating out of your hand thinking
1217
00:55:24,352 --> 00:55:26,291
you're the best thing since peanut butter.
1218
00:55:26,291 --> 00:55:28,844
That's an accomplishment.
1219
00:55:28,844 --> 00:55:30,716
- As you can see, this
is not an easy process.
1220
00:55:30,716 --> 00:55:33,211
We're putting body parts in
places they don't need to be
1221
00:55:33,211 --> 00:55:35,240
and we shove ourselves into clothing
1222
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:38,270
that should not really fit.
1223
00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:40,346
I tell people all the time that
it takes balls to be a woman
1224
00:55:40,346 --> 00:55:41,596
It really does.
1225
00:55:45,827 --> 00:55:47,444
It ain't easy being pretty.
1226
00:55:47,444 --> 00:55:48,989
I actually enjoy the fact that
1227
00:55:48,989 --> 00:55:50,798
I get to be somebody different.
1228
00:55:50,798 --> 00:55:54,464
I've made up this character,
for good or bad or indifferent,
1229
00:55:54,464 --> 00:55:58,208
and you know what, I get
to raise money for charity
1230
00:55:58,208 --> 00:55:59,827
across the US.
1231
00:55:59,827 --> 00:56:01,583
I'm fundraising, so if anybody would
1232
00:56:01,583 --> 00:56:02,873
like to buy some raffle tickets?
1233
00:56:02,873 --> 00:56:04,623
Do you have the time?
1234
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:09,539
I get to make a difference.
1235
00:56:09,539 --> 00:56:13,340
I get to give back to the
communities that I'm involved in.
1236
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:16,133
We need to give back because
1237
00:56:16,133 --> 00:56:18,691
we get so much from our communities.
1238
00:56:18,691 --> 00:56:20,274
- I think it's fun.
1239
00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:23,621
I like the shock value.
1240
00:56:23,621 --> 00:56:26,257
The people who knew me before, as Steve,
1241
00:56:26,257 --> 00:56:29,689
and then I kind of come out as Aspen.
1242
00:56:29,689 --> 00:56:32,123
My best friends do not recognize me.
1243
00:56:32,123 --> 00:56:34,836
I kind of like that aspect of
not saying that I'm hiding,
1244
00:56:34,836 --> 00:56:37,739
but it's a different persona
and a different side of me
1245
00:56:37,739 --> 00:56:40,220
that I can get across to people.
1246
00:56:40,220 --> 00:56:42,414
The drag community is a very loving group.
1247
00:56:42,414 --> 00:56:44,488
It's sort of like they
feel that they have to
1248
00:56:44,488 --> 00:56:46,455
protect one another and
help one another because
1249
00:56:46,455 --> 00:56:48,187
they're discriminated by people
within their own community.
1250
00:56:48,187 --> 00:56:51,742
Not by everyone, but
there are those people who
1251
00:56:51,742 --> 00:56:53,589
discriminate against the drag.
1252
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:55,991
For a group that already has
the tinge of discrimination
1253
00:56:55,991 --> 00:56:58,898
against ourselves from
the communities at large,
1254
00:56:58,898 --> 00:57:00,630
it's discouraging to see that
1255
00:57:00,630 --> 00:57:02,974
we're discriminating against each other.
1256
00:57:02,974 --> 00:57:04,321
This is one persona.
1257
00:57:04,321 --> 00:57:05,780
When this comes off, I forget about that,
1258
00:57:05,780 --> 00:57:07,285
because that's not who I am.
1259
00:57:07,285 --> 00:57:09,795
I'm James and when I put
this on, then I'm Janet.
1260
00:57:09,795 --> 00:57:11,263
I'm two separate people.
1261
00:57:11,263 --> 00:57:13,578
Once she comes off, she's in a box and
1262
00:57:13,578 --> 00:57:16,879
I'm back to being a regular Joe Shmoe.
1263
00:57:16,879 --> 00:57:20,114
I'm not as masculine as a
lot of guys out there but
1264
00:57:20,114 --> 00:57:23,310
I'm still a guy once she comes off.
1265
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:28,890
- [Narrator] The art of drag dates back to
1266
00:57:28,890 --> 00:57:31,855
the earliest days of the gay community.
1267
00:57:31,855 --> 00:57:34,273
In the 1930s, this
nightclub was all the rage
1268
00:57:34,273 --> 00:57:36,532
with both gays and straights.
1269
00:57:36,532 --> 00:57:40,180
- Within gay male culture,
there was a celebration at
1270
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:43,512
being able to defy gender roles.
1271
00:57:43,512 --> 00:57:47,356
Gender roles were seen and
arguably still are seen,
1272
00:57:47,356 --> 00:57:49,930
as very oppressive, very limited.
1273
00:57:49,930 --> 00:57:52,213
They already knew they were
excluded from the mainstream
1274
00:57:52,213 --> 00:57:54,200
because their sexuality
didn't fit the role.
1275
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,157
They have, then, freedom to
also play with gender roles.
1276
00:57:58,157 --> 00:58:00,774
- Camp is making fun of a
kind of a failed seriousness,
1277
00:58:00,774 --> 00:58:04,497
so for those who take their
gender expression very,
1278
00:58:04,497 --> 00:58:07,515
very seriously, for
example, poking fun at that
1279
00:58:07,515 --> 00:58:10,433
and showing that their gender
expression is just as much
1280
00:58:10,433 --> 00:58:13,697
a performance as anyone else's.
1281
00:58:13,697 --> 00:58:16,113
- People who go in drag often,
1282
00:58:16,113 --> 00:58:19,137
although they are embracing the
feminine part of themselves,
1283
00:58:19,137 --> 00:58:21,720
do so with a masculine bravado.
1284
00:58:26,937 --> 00:58:30,715
They're embracing both
sides of their sexuality.
1285
00:58:30,715 --> 00:58:32,598
(upbeat pop rock music)
1286
00:58:32,598 --> 00:58:34,998
- It wasn't that there seemed
like there was something
1287
00:58:34,998 --> 00:58:37,259
better on one side of
the fence than the other.
1288
00:58:37,259 --> 00:58:38,955
I think it was more being
able to find a place where
1289
00:58:38,955 --> 00:58:41,554
I was comfortable being
perceived by others
1290
00:58:41,554 --> 00:58:43,417
as I was perceiving myself.
1291
00:58:43,417 --> 00:58:46,829
I think the question I
hear a lot from people is
1292
00:58:46,829 --> 00:58:48,977
"Why did you decide to become a man?"
1293
00:58:48,977 --> 00:58:50,897
And my answer is always
that I always felt like
1294
00:58:50,897 --> 00:58:52,438
I was one already.
1295
00:58:52,438 --> 00:58:55,675
I never would have thought
that the differences between
1296
00:58:55,675 --> 00:58:58,715
testosterone and that set
of hormones affect your body
1297
00:58:58,715 --> 00:59:02,380
and estrogen and those set
of hormones affect your body.
1298
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:04,711
I would have been like, oh
I'm sure it's not a big deal,
1299
00:59:04,711 --> 00:59:06,955
but it is and it's a huge deal.
1300
00:59:06,955 --> 00:59:08,795
Your sexuality is incredibly
elevated in a way that
1301
00:59:08,795 --> 00:59:12,878
I had never experienced
my sexuality ever before.
1302
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:16,939
My aggression was really
elevated in a way that
1303
00:59:16,939 --> 00:59:19,798
I hadn't expected and that
I hadn't ever experienced.
1304
00:59:19,798 --> 00:59:22,635
I can't believe guys walk
around like this all the time.
1305
00:59:22,635 --> 00:59:24,193
How do they not feel like crazy people?
1306
00:59:24,193 --> 00:59:25,275
I feel like a crazy person.
1307
00:59:25,275 --> 00:59:29,780
I probably cried like, four
times in the last eight years.
1308
00:59:29,780 --> 00:59:30,518
I lost my--
1309
00:59:30,518 --> 00:59:32,918
I wasn't able to do it anymore.
1310
00:59:32,918 --> 00:59:35,192
If I got hit in the face or something.
1311
00:59:35,192 --> 00:59:36,657
(chuckling)
1312
00:59:36,657 --> 00:59:39,238
After I started taking testosterone,
1313
00:59:39,238 --> 00:59:40,416
people would be like,
1314
00:59:40,416 --> 00:59:41,558
"What's wrong with you?"
1315
00:59:41,558 --> 00:59:42,715
And I'd be like,
1316
00:59:42,715 --> 00:59:43,835
"I don't know but I'm really pissed.
1317
00:59:43,835 --> 00:59:44,955
"I can't explain it to you and
1318
00:59:44,955 --> 00:59:46,333
"I don't think I should have to.
1319
00:59:46,333 --> 00:59:47,456
"I'm just pissed."
1320
00:59:47,456 --> 00:59:49,990
I felt really almost a
little bit sad about losing
1321
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:50,917
that ability to communicate.
1322
00:59:50,917 --> 00:59:54,337
All of a sudden, I couldn't do it anymore.
1323
00:59:54,337 --> 00:59:56,555
I felt like my vocabulary got cut in half.
1324
00:59:56,555 --> 00:59:58,518
I could feel it but I couldn't explain it
1325
00:59:58,518 --> 01:00:00,118
and I don't know why.
1326
01:00:00,118 --> 01:00:03,190
It just kind of went away.
1327
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:05,990
I think that we value masculinity so much
1328
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:07,195
more in our society than we do femininity.
1329
01:00:07,195 --> 01:00:10,235
There's male privilege,
which just happens.
1330
01:00:10,235 --> 01:00:12,380
It's people who will look you in the eye
1331
01:00:12,380 --> 01:00:13,578
when they talk to you.
1332
01:00:13,578 --> 01:00:15,216
That doesn't happen for women.
1333
01:00:15,216 --> 01:00:17,515
When you talk, people will listen to you.
1334
01:00:17,515 --> 01:00:21,435
When you have an idea, people
will believe that it works.
1335
01:00:21,435 --> 01:00:25,602
You're constantly rewarded
for masculinity in this way.
1336
01:00:30,504 --> 01:00:33,322
Even in other kinds of
communities, like dyke communities,
1337
01:00:33,322 --> 01:00:35,984
butches are rewarded for
being more masculine.
1338
01:00:35,984 --> 01:00:38,144
The same thing happens
in gay male communities
1339
01:00:38,144 --> 01:00:41,424
that butcher, bigger, stronger,
more straight-acting men
1340
01:00:41,424 --> 01:00:45,685
are more sexually valuable
than feminine men.
1341
01:00:45,685 --> 01:00:50,640
I feel like I had to grow and
learn how to become a man,
1342
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,285
just seeing how we
teach men how to be men.
1343
01:00:53,285 --> 01:00:56,266
I think I had to learn the
same way as everybody else did.
1344
01:00:56,266 --> 01:00:58,850
How I sat and how I walked
and how I talked and
1345
01:00:58,850 --> 01:00:59,706
all these things that I felt like,
1346
01:00:59,706 --> 01:01:01,962
if you do these things,
that's what makes a man.
1347
01:01:01,962 --> 01:01:05,445
If you pay for dinner or if
you take up lots of space
1348
01:01:05,445 --> 01:01:09,450
with your body or if you act like you know
1349
01:01:09,450 --> 01:01:12,544
what you're doing all the
time, then that's what men do,
1350
01:01:12,544 --> 01:01:14,141
so that's what I'm gonna do
and it didn't feel right and
1351
01:01:14,141 --> 01:01:16,325
I didn't know why.
1352
01:01:16,325 --> 01:01:18,801
It wasn't until I started
being able to be in
1353
01:01:18,801 --> 01:01:20,890
gay male spaces that I
realized that there were
1354
01:01:20,890 --> 01:01:24,848
a hundred million other ways
of experiencing maleness
1355
01:01:24,848 --> 01:01:27,648
and masculinity than what
television or billboards
1356
01:01:27,648 --> 01:01:29,866
or sports or whatever said.
1357
01:01:29,866 --> 01:01:32,709
You could touch each other, not
in a sexual way necessarily,
1358
01:01:32,709 --> 01:01:35,747
but just like you could be
friendly and funny and silly
1359
01:01:35,747 --> 01:01:39,770
and affectionate and genuinely
care for another man.
1360
01:01:39,770 --> 01:01:41,706
I was like, oh my God, you
can do all of these things.
1361
01:01:41,706 --> 01:01:44,506
But I wasn't allowed to
do any of this stuff and
1362
01:01:44,506 --> 01:01:46,288
all of a sudden it was like
permission to be able to.
1363
01:01:46,288 --> 01:01:48,469
No, you can do whatever you want.
1364
01:01:48,469 --> 01:01:52,768
- [Narrator] Jack Malebranche
lives in Portland, Oregon.
1365
01:01:52,768 --> 01:01:56,351
He works for an exercise
equipment company.
1366
01:01:59,184 --> 01:02:00,606
Jack is also an author.
1367
01:02:00,606 --> 01:02:02,125
He's written a book that takes head-on
1368
01:02:02,125 --> 01:02:04,460
the issue of gay masculinity.
1369
01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:06,947
Androphilia, a Greek term
for love of maleness,
1370
01:02:06,947 --> 01:02:09,507
angered some critics in the gay community.
1371
01:02:09,507 --> 01:02:13,600
- I don't believe that gay
should be the defining quality
1372
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:14,904
that you associate yourself with.
1373
01:02:14,904 --> 01:02:16,707
There are a million other
things that I can be
1374
01:02:16,707 --> 01:02:18,145
at any given time.
1375
01:02:18,145 --> 01:02:22,307
Making gay the primary
one is counter-productive.
1376
01:02:22,307 --> 01:02:26,123
It puts you forever in a
small group that separates you
1377
01:02:26,123 --> 01:02:28,504
from other people and
separates you from other men.
1378
01:02:28,504 --> 01:02:33,128
I share more interests with
other men than, in many cases,
1379
01:02:33,128 --> 01:02:34,628
I do with gay men.
1380
01:02:35,507 --> 01:02:38,526
Why should I limit myself by
clustering around this gay
1381
01:02:38,526 --> 01:02:42,101
community and making that the
center of my whole identity?
1382
01:02:42,101 --> 01:02:45,166
Mainstream gay culture is
a celebration of fashion,
1383
01:02:45,166 --> 01:02:47,326
the kind of music that 14
year old girls listen to.
1384
01:02:47,326 --> 01:02:48,984
It's the kind of thing
that housewives would like.
1385
01:02:48,984 --> 01:02:52,606
It's not something that
you'd associate with men.
1386
01:02:52,606 --> 01:02:56,408
As they become progressively
involved in gay culture,
1387
01:02:56,408 --> 01:02:58,443
they just move further
and further away from
1388
01:02:58,443 --> 01:03:01,304
what it means to be a man.
1389
01:03:01,304 --> 01:03:02,947
They become unable to
relate to other men and
1390
01:03:02,947 --> 01:03:05,164
I think that's unhealthy.
1391
01:03:05,164 --> 01:03:08,206
In the gay community, and
this is why I think effeminacy
1392
01:03:08,206 --> 01:03:12,206
defines gayness, is that it's
okay to be effeminate but
1393
01:03:12,206 --> 01:03:15,405
your masculinity is always
going to be in question.
1394
01:03:15,405 --> 01:03:18,581
We give straight men a wide
range of how they can behave.
1395
01:03:18,581 --> 01:03:21,464
They can be nerdy little
IT guys who don't really do
1396
01:03:21,464 --> 01:03:24,584
anything traditionally
masculine at all but
1397
01:03:24,584 --> 01:03:27,540
because they're straight, we
give them their masculinity.
1398
01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:29,885
They automatically get their man card,
1399
01:03:29,885 --> 01:03:32,422
whereas I think homosexual
men have to work for it.
1400
01:03:32,422 --> 01:03:34,547
The measure of a man should
be in his accomplishments.
1401
01:03:34,547 --> 01:03:36,606
I'm not a man because of how pretty I am,
1402
01:03:36,606 --> 01:03:39,270
or because of my great new outfit,
1403
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:42,807
I'm a man because of what
I've done and who I am
1404
01:03:42,807 --> 01:03:45,188
and what I stand for and
what I talk about and
1405
01:03:45,188 --> 01:03:47,368
I don't really see, in gay culture,
1406
01:03:47,368 --> 01:03:50,627
any trend towards making that the goal,
1407
01:03:50,627 --> 01:03:53,768
to center your life around
your accomplishments
1408
01:03:53,768 --> 01:03:56,328
and your values and
your sense of integrity
1409
01:03:56,328 --> 01:03:58,247
and your sense of honor.
1410
01:03:58,247 --> 01:04:01,747
(upbeat percussive music)
1411
01:04:02,984 --> 01:04:05,827
- Masculine cultures have
had same-sex sexuality
1412
01:04:05,827 --> 01:04:09,704
involved in them ever since
the beginning of time.
1413
01:04:09,704 --> 01:04:13,304
Prisoners, sailors, all
sorts of cultures of men
1414
01:04:13,304 --> 01:04:16,424
have had sex with one another
but it wasn't really until
1415
01:04:16,424 --> 01:04:20,466
the 1940s when you started
to have a self-identified
1416
01:04:20,466 --> 01:04:24,549
gay male community that
was also specifically and
1417
01:04:25,448 --> 01:04:28,564
self-consciously masculine identified.
1418
01:04:28,564 --> 01:04:31,164
- As the soldiers returned
from World War II,
1419
01:04:31,164 --> 01:04:34,184
these port cities like
San Diego, Los Angeles,
1420
01:04:34,184 --> 01:04:37,107
San Francisco, New York,
soldiers would stay there.
1421
01:04:37,107 --> 01:04:38,846
Having discovered each other,
1422
01:04:38,846 --> 01:04:41,480
started living and forming communities.
1423
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,600
You started to see
increasingly the adoption of
1424
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,224
these masculine working-class forms.
1425
01:04:47,224 --> 01:04:49,384
You saw gay motorcycle clubs.
1426
01:04:49,384 --> 01:04:52,100
You could see pictorials
and the popularity of
1427
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:53,747
those types of magazines.
1428
01:04:53,747 --> 01:04:57,427
Beat poetry, this kind of
masculine self-positioning
1429
01:04:57,427 --> 01:05:00,666
that did not necessarily
excluse homosexuality and
1430
01:05:00,666 --> 01:05:04,144
you also saw a political
movement that was looking for
1431
01:05:04,144 --> 01:05:08,442
legitimacy largely through
normalcy and masculinity
1432
01:05:08,442 --> 01:05:10,946
was seen as one of the ways
1433
01:05:10,946 --> 01:05:14,104
in which you could be well-adjusted.
1434
01:05:14,104 --> 01:05:16,366
After the Kinsey studies came out in 1948
1435
01:05:16,366 --> 01:05:18,230
and then in 1956,
1436
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:21,464
there was a much more
widespread understanding that
1437
01:05:21,464 --> 01:05:24,664
many more men were engaging
in homosexual activity
1438
01:05:24,664 --> 01:05:26,504
than was previously thought.
1439
01:05:26,504 --> 01:05:28,547
They couldn't always tell who
was a homosexual just based
1440
01:05:28,547 --> 01:05:32,488
on whether or not a man was,
for example, effeminate.
1441
01:05:32,488 --> 01:05:35,304
By the 1960s, you were
starting to see the growth
1442
01:05:35,304 --> 01:05:38,926
of leather bars and this
almost market segmentation
1443
01:05:38,926 --> 01:05:43,850
within gay male bar culture
and one element of that
1444
01:05:43,850 --> 01:05:46,824
is explicitly about a
kind of masculine and
1445
01:05:46,824 --> 01:05:49,204
even hyper-masculine pose.
1446
01:05:49,204 --> 01:05:51,747
- [Narrator] In 1964, Life
Magazine even featured a cover
1447
01:05:51,747 --> 01:05:55,448
story investigating the secret
world of the homosexual.
1448
01:05:55,448 --> 01:05:58,168
The article states that
patrons of a homosexual bar
1449
01:05:58,168 --> 01:06:00,884
in San Francisco wear leather jackets,
1450
01:06:00,884 --> 01:06:03,600
make a show of masculinity and
1451
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,747
scorn effeminate members of their world.
1452
01:06:05,747 --> 01:06:08,880
It also warns that for
every obvious homosexual,
1453
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,806
there are probably nine
near-impossible to detect.
1454
01:06:11,806 --> 01:06:14,846
Artist Tom of Finland helped to embellish
1455
01:06:14,846 --> 01:06:17,506
this new-found hyper-masculine look.
1456
01:06:17,506 --> 01:06:20,568
Tom's homoerotic art appeared
in various publications
1457
01:06:20,568 --> 01:06:22,651
as far back as the 1950s.
1458
01:06:23,848 --> 01:06:27,326
- He wanted to give his
brothers some type of
1459
01:06:27,326 --> 01:06:30,523
masculine identity as men
because society, at that time,
1460
01:06:30,523 --> 01:06:34,888
they would not even
qualify us as being men.
1461
01:06:34,888 --> 01:06:37,623
He drew just beautiful men.
1462
01:06:37,623 --> 01:06:40,984
Their bodies were just stylized enough.
1463
01:06:40,984 --> 01:06:42,344
They had a certain look.
1464
01:06:42,344 --> 01:06:43,966
The way they looked at each other,
1465
01:06:43,966 --> 01:06:46,648
the whole game and the dance of it.
1466
01:06:46,648 --> 01:06:49,864
We like intrigue, we like mystery,
1467
01:06:49,864 --> 01:06:52,901
and he would actually put all
of that into his drawings.
1468
01:06:52,901 --> 01:06:55,326
Masculine men having sex with each other.
1469
01:06:55,326 --> 01:06:59,128
He presented an image and
we took it and made it ours.
1470
01:06:59,128 --> 01:07:03,128
- Masculinity became one
of the ways that gay men
1471
01:07:03,128 --> 01:07:06,450
could find one another by emulating
1472
01:07:07,265 --> 01:07:10,410
the object of their own desire.
1473
01:07:10,410 --> 01:07:13,848
Then, you have, of course,
the sexual revolution and
1474
01:07:13,848 --> 01:07:17,928
out of Gay Liberation
comes the Castro Clone.
1475
01:07:17,928 --> 01:07:21,644
The irony of the Castro Clone, of course,
1476
01:07:21,644 --> 01:07:24,611
is that you're supposed to
be displaying this sort of
1477
01:07:24,611 --> 01:07:27,427
natural masculinity but it
takes a great deal of effort
1478
01:07:27,427 --> 01:07:29,528
to get it precisely right.
1479
01:07:29,528 --> 01:07:32,800
- [Narrator] Bob Davis
experienced the era of
1480
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:33,784
the Castro Clone firsthand.
1481
01:07:33,784 --> 01:07:35,726
- My first day in San Francisco,
1482
01:07:35,726 --> 01:07:37,848
we went to the opening of
the gay softball league.
1483
01:07:37,848 --> 01:07:40,424
Gay men playing softball, playing sports.
1484
01:07:40,424 --> 01:07:41,886
Who knew?
1485
01:07:41,886 --> 01:07:44,206
I thought where in the hell am I?
1486
01:07:44,206 --> 01:07:45,390
Holy Lord!
1487
01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:47,928
You know, it was like halleluia.
1488
01:07:47,928 --> 01:07:51,224
It was the first generation
of gay men who were living
1489
01:07:51,224 --> 01:07:54,460
open and out and free
and they were basically
1490
01:07:54,460 --> 01:07:56,379
embracing their masculinity.
1491
01:07:57,486 --> 01:08:00,670
- [Narrator] However, the joy
of this new-found expression
1492
01:08:00,670 --> 01:08:01,187
was short-lived.
1493
01:08:01,187 --> 01:08:03,183
The onset of AIDS took a devastating toll.
1494
01:08:03,183 --> 01:08:06,767
A new ideal of gay masculinity emerged,
1495
01:08:06,767 --> 01:08:08,904
centered around circuit dance parties
1496
01:08:08,904 --> 01:08:10,786
springing up around the country.
1497
01:08:10,786 --> 01:08:13,640
- Circuit culture is, in some ways,
1498
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,385
a reaction against both the
vulnerability represented
1499
01:08:16,385 --> 01:08:19,726
by HIV and AIDS and the Castro Clone look.
1500
01:08:19,726 --> 01:08:23,907
It's a much more explicitly
ripped, heavily muscled,
1501
01:08:23,907 --> 01:08:27,343
less hair, more explicitly youthful.
1502
01:08:27,343 --> 01:08:30,126
- It was a reaction
within the gay community.
1503
01:08:30,126 --> 01:08:32,223
They didn't want to be
associated with AIDS.
1504
01:08:32,223 --> 01:08:33,646
Enough was enough.
1505
01:08:33,646 --> 01:08:36,547
What's a better metaphor
for being pure and untouched
1506
01:08:36,547 --> 01:08:39,896
and undiseased than shaving
your body and being pristine.
1507
01:08:39,896 --> 01:08:43,464
- [Narrator] But, the hirsute
man was not gone for long.
1508
01:08:43,464 --> 01:08:45,704
Nowhere in the gay community
are traditional masculine
1509
01:08:45,704 --> 01:08:49,784
traits more revered and
celebrated than among the Bears.
1510
01:08:49,784 --> 01:08:52,568
The Bear movement began in the late 1980s.
1511
01:08:52,568 --> 01:08:54,666
- I think it was just big
guys who weren't mainstream
1512
01:08:54,666 --> 01:08:56,968
When it all started back in the day.
1513
01:08:56,968 --> 01:08:59,379
So much is caught up into
magazines and what the look is
1514
01:08:59,379 --> 01:09:01,928
supposed to be in the gay community and
1515
01:09:01,928 --> 01:09:03,811
how you're supposed to be and you know,
1516
01:09:03,811 --> 01:09:05,427
the reality of it is we all come in
1517
01:09:05,427 --> 01:09:06,707
different shapes and sizes.
1518
01:09:06,707 --> 01:09:08,270
We've just got to be
proud of what we have and
1519
01:09:08,270 --> 01:09:09,507
where we are in our lives.
1520
01:09:09,507 --> 01:09:10,707
We all can't spend 16
hours a day in the gym
1521
01:09:10,707 --> 01:09:12,640
to be that perfect guy.
1522
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,347
- I was Mr. San Francisco Bear in 2005.
1523
01:09:14,347 --> 01:09:18,251
If it weren't for Bears, I
probably never would have
1524
01:09:18,251 --> 01:09:20,653
come out because I didn't fit into
1525
01:09:20,653 --> 01:09:22,231
gay society anywhere else.
1526
01:09:22,231 --> 01:09:23,751
Bears have always been
about just inclusion.
1527
01:09:23,751 --> 01:09:25,508
Everyone just kind of hangs
out and accepts everyone else.
1528
01:09:25,508 --> 01:09:27,335
- I love that song where beauty magazines
1529
01:09:27,335 --> 01:09:28,994
only make you feel ugly.
1530
01:09:28,994 --> 01:09:32,733
Beauty is like, masculine
or just being who you are.
1531
01:09:32,733 --> 01:09:36,113
- [Narrator] Dozens of
Bear events are held
1532
01:09:36,113 --> 01:09:37,911
around the world every year.
1533
01:09:37,911 --> 01:09:39,829
One of the biggest is Lazy Bear.
1534
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:43,554
- The most masculine guys you
ever see are pretty much here.
1535
01:09:43,554 --> 01:09:44,653
- Yeah.
1536
01:09:44,653 --> 01:09:46,871
- A bunch of us were walking
through the Hard Rock Casino
1537
01:09:46,871 --> 01:09:48,151
and some guys were,
1538
01:09:48,151 --> 01:09:51,816
"What are you guys, a union or something?"
1539
01:09:51,816 --> 01:09:53,785
We look like a bunch of fucking
plumbers or electricians
1540
01:09:53,785 --> 01:09:55,164
and that's fine.
1541
01:09:55,164 --> 01:09:56,702
You don't get beat up on the street,
1542
01:09:56,702 --> 01:09:58,344
and you get free beer.
1543
01:09:58,344 --> 01:09:59,704
It confuses people.
1544
01:09:59,704 --> 01:10:03,523
- [Narrator] Thousands of
gay men trek every summer
1545
01:10:03,523 --> 01:10:06,424
to the forest town of Guerneville
in Northern California
1546
01:10:06,424 --> 01:10:09,342
for a long weekend of
drinking beer, dancing,
1547
01:10:09,342 --> 01:10:11,600
and just being with men.
1548
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:12,744
- Everyone has a good time
with the Bears because
1549
01:10:12,744 --> 01:10:16,344
they can be themselves and
not have to put on the airs
1550
01:10:16,344 --> 01:10:17,843
or put their guard up.
1551
01:10:17,843 --> 01:10:19,784
- This is one of those parties
where you don't have to come
1552
01:10:19,784 --> 01:10:21,582
and suck your gut in for
the entire five days.
1553
01:10:21,582 --> 01:10:23,966
- The nature of the environment,
1554
01:10:23,966 --> 01:10:28,307
the fact that it's the
mountains, the beautiful scenery,
1555
01:10:28,307 --> 01:10:30,946
it's cool, just all of
that just puts you at ease
1556
01:10:30,946 --> 01:10:34,446
and so if you are at ease,
you're more readily available
1557
01:10:34,446 --> 01:10:37,187
to make friends with as many people
1558
01:10:37,187 --> 01:10:38,910
as you can possibly make friends with.
1559
01:10:38,910 --> 01:10:41,406
- You express your
friendship and your love for
1560
01:10:41,406 --> 01:10:44,906
your fellow men openly, it doesn't matter.
1561
01:10:48,209 --> 01:10:52,306
- There's something masculine
about the whole kind of
1562
01:10:52,306 --> 01:10:54,306
hairy man kind of genre.
1563
01:10:56,242 --> 01:10:58,542
- I like muscles and hair
and it's just like big
1564
01:10:58,542 --> 01:11:00,542
and masculine and butch.
1565
01:11:01,564 --> 01:11:03,820
I don't know why that is but it just is.
1566
01:11:03,820 --> 01:11:04,946
- I don't think it necessarily have to
1567
01:11:04,946 --> 01:11:07,863
have body hair to be a Bear.
1568
01:11:07,863 --> 01:11:09,542
I think it's more the
whole masculine trappings,
1569
01:11:09,542 --> 01:11:12,546
the way they dress, like to drink beer,
1570
01:11:12,546 --> 01:11:15,506
and go out and have big meals.
1571
01:11:15,506 --> 01:11:18,162
- You go into the bars at
the different Bear events,
1572
01:11:18,162 --> 01:11:22,764
you feel a machismo, a macho
kind of feel to these guys
1573
01:11:22,764 --> 01:11:27,324
and you know, they may
not be macho all the time,
1574
01:11:27,324 --> 01:11:30,963
but there's something
about their masculinity,
1575
01:11:30,963 --> 01:11:34,524
there's something about them
being together as a group
1576
01:11:34,524 --> 01:11:37,186
that really just makes it so powerful,
1577
01:11:37,186 --> 01:11:39,703
unlike any other group, I think,
1578
01:11:39,703 --> 01:11:42,660
any other culture in the world.
1579
01:11:42,660 --> 01:11:45,399
(upbeat pop rock music)
1580
01:11:50,407 --> 01:11:52,244
- [Narrator] As each gay
man defines his ideal
1581
01:11:52,244 --> 01:11:54,146
of what it means to be a man,
1582
01:11:54,146 --> 01:11:55,846
the issue of masculinity lies at
1583
01:11:55,846 --> 01:11:57,884
a crossroads for the gay movement.
1584
01:11:57,884 --> 01:12:00,284
- The big push in sort of
the relationship between
1585
01:12:00,284 --> 01:12:03,186
gay people and the majority
culture in the last decade or so
1586
01:12:03,186 --> 01:12:04,769
has been let us in.
1587
01:12:05,847 --> 01:12:08,684
It's basically giving up the sort of
1588
01:12:08,684 --> 01:12:11,563
separate aspects of gay culture.
1589
01:12:11,563 --> 01:12:13,666
People of my generation, at least,
1590
01:12:13,666 --> 01:12:16,982
are not sure it's such a great
bargain and are also dubious
1591
01:12:16,982 --> 01:12:20,705
as to whether or not the
people who want that will
1592
01:12:20,705 --> 01:12:24,546
really find out that it's
giving them what they want.
1593
01:12:24,546 --> 01:12:27,666
- Through marriage, through
domestic partnership,
1594
01:12:27,666 --> 01:12:29,886
through adoption, it's
much easier to assimilate
1595
01:12:29,886 --> 01:12:33,127
into heteronormativity if
you're straight-acting.
1596
01:12:33,127 --> 01:12:36,487
- The other big thing is the
unanswered question of whether
1597
01:12:36,487 --> 01:12:40,441
or not we as a community
will solve the ways in which
1598
01:12:40,441 --> 01:12:43,961
we are stereotyped or
oppressed by simply rejecting
1599
01:12:43,961 --> 01:12:47,207
gender diversity and embracing more normal
1600
01:12:47,207 --> 01:12:49,127
forms of masculinity.
1601
01:12:49,127 --> 01:12:50,951
I think over and over again,
1602
01:12:50,951 --> 01:12:54,263
we see that kind of
pressure to be as normal,
1603
01:12:54,263 --> 01:12:57,378
whatever that means, as possible.
1604
01:12:57,378 --> 01:13:00,202
- Part of the process of
becoming a gay male is
1605
01:13:00,202 --> 01:13:03,804
to unlearn some of the
stereotypes that were imposed
1606
01:13:03,804 --> 01:13:07,923
upon us and to sort of
relearn it so that we can be
1607
01:13:07,923 --> 01:13:10,444
masculine in a wide range of ways,
1608
01:13:10,444 --> 01:13:13,105
to incorporate some of the
ways that we learned but
1609
01:13:13,105 --> 01:13:16,476
also to learn new ways,
to be constantly changing
1610
01:13:16,476 --> 01:13:18,764
and evolving those as they occur.
1611
01:13:18,764 --> 01:13:20,503
- There's nothing to me
more appealing than a man
1612
01:13:20,503 --> 01:13:22,866
that's so comfortable in his
own skin that he can embrace
1613
01:13:22,866 --> 01:13:24,783
all parts of who he is.
1614
01:13:26,385 --> 01:13:29,443
- Every time that we try
to assert that one kind of
1615
01:13:29,443 --> 01:13:32,226
gender expression is the most
normal or the most important
1616
01:13:32,226 --> 01:13:36,567
for gay people, we push others
to the side and so the key
1617
01:13:36,567 --> 01:13:40,184
is really, I think, for
all of us to explore
1618
01:13:40,184 --> 01:13:44,343
what it means to be gay
men in the entire range of
1619
01:13:44,343 --> 01:13:47,724
gender expressions that we
have available to us and
1620
01:13:47,724 --> 01:13:50,300
to not obsess over trying to find out what
1621
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:54,225
our real gender is but to
allow for the possibility that
1622
01:13:54,225 --> 01:13:56,727
gender can change over
time and it's flexible
1623
01:13:56,727 --> 01:13:59,324
and it's fluid and it's fun.
1624
01:13:59,324 --> 01:14:02,907
(high energy upbeat music)
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