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♪ Dramatic, atmospheric music ♪
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♪♪♪
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[crowd cheering]
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♪ "Billie Jean" by
Michael Jackson ♪
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♪♪♪
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪
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[Steven Ivory] There are two
things in the music business:
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before Thriller
and after Thriller.
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[crowd cheering]
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♪♪♪
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♪ But you wanna be bad ♪
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- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
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♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
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♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
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♪ It doesn't matter... ♪
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[crew member] Mark.
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[Mary J. Blige] The
first time I heard
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Michael Jackson's
Thriller, he was pop,
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he was R and B, he was
gospel, he was rock.
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It was everything that I loved.
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[Usher] And bring all of
these elements together...
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dance and choreography
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and theatrical moments
and the feeling,
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you know, like a
musical, damn near.
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The magic of it... each track
was better than the next.
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It was in your brain,
and everybody knew it.
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[reporter] For the
14th consecutive week,
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the best-selling
album in the country
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is Michael Jackson's Thriller.
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If Thriller came out today,
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it would still be the
greatest album ever made.
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It's the ultimate blueprint
to modern pop music.
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[Raphael Saadiq] I love the way
that record is sequenced, right?
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"Wanna Be Startin'
Somethin'." The title says it.
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He wanted to be starting some
shit right now. He wanted...
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He's like, "I'm about
to start some shit
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in the industry right now. I'm
about to blow everybody up."
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[Maxwell] This was literally
the pinnacle of everything
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that began with him.
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"Thriller," "Beat It"
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and "Billie Jean."
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To this day, when
"Thriller" comes on, I mean,
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there's not a Halloween
that doesn't happen
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where you don't hear that song.
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But then you have "Human
Nature," "P.Y.T.,"
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and then you have
"Lady in My Life."
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[announcer] It became the
biggest-selling album ever.
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Michael Jackson. Always
keep one in the cab.
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[Misty Copeland]
This is history.
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I want to say it's
Black culture,
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but it's-it's for everyone.
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[Nelson George] Thriller
is the biggest-selling
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album of all time.
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Thriller is a
cultural phenomenon
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that's lasted four decades
and seems determined
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to continue going forward.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Robert Hilburn] What
takes your breath away is
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he had the ambition to become
the biggest star in the world.
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And he did it. The
fact that he had
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that dream, I mean,
that-that goal,
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that's what's the
remarkable story.
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♪ Soft, curious music ♪
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[Michael Jackson] Ever
since we were kids,
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we've always wanted to dance
or keep the time to the music.
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And that's part of us.
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It's like, uh, something
we have to have.
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And it's in us,
because I don't know
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what I would do if there
was, uh... wasn't music.
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[reporter] Joe Jackson's role
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in his children's careers would
give people a lot to talk about.
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The former steelworker had
somehow gotten his family
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out of Indiana,
groomed for stardom.
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♪ "I Want You Back"
by The Jackson 5 ♪
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♪♪♪
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[The Jackson 5's "I Want
You Back" continues]
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♪♪♪
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[Ed Sullivan] Now,
here are five brothers
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from Gary, Indiana, ranging
in age from ten to 18:
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The Jackson 5.
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♪ Oh, baby, give me
one more chance ♪
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♪ To show you that I love you ♪
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♪ Won't you please let me ♪
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♪ Back in your heart ♪
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♪ Oh, darlin', I was
blind to let you go ♪
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♪ Let you go, baby ♪
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♪ But now since I see you... ♪
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[Dick Clark] This poor
man's life has been
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dissected completely.
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Is there anything anybody
hasn't asked you by now?
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Um...
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♪ Enjoy yourself ♪
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♪ Enjoy yourself, enjoy
yourself with me ♪
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♪ Enjoy yourself,
enjoy yourself ♪
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♪ Enjoy yourself with me ♪
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♪ You better enjoy yourself... ♪
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[interviewer] Now, tell me,
what do you think is the success
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of the Jacksons, yourself
and the Jacksons?
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I would say probably,
um, togetherness.
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[Saadiq] I can't think about
Michael without thinking about
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The Jackson 5 and
Motown and all of that,
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so it takes me a
little further back.
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Takes me to Off the Wall,
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which is one of my
favorite records.
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[Michael Jackson's "Don't Stop
'Til You Get Enough" playing]
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[radio DJ] Welcome to WBLS
once again, Michael Jackson.
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[Michael] Thank you very much.
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[radio DJ] The name
of the album is...
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- [Michael] Off the Wall.
- [radio DJ] Are you?
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[both laughing]
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[radio DJ] We'll be back with
Michael right after this.
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♪ Lovely ♪
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♪ Is the feeling now ♪
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♪ Fever... ♪
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I was not the biggest
Jackson 5 fan.
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I was a serious
pop music critic.
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And I said, "Well, it's
cute what they're doing."
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- ♪ Baby, baby ♪
- ♪ Ow, ow... ♪
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[Hilburn] You
know, James Brown,
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Jackie Wilson,
that's really nice.
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You know, it wasn't what
I was interested in.
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And then Off the Wall comes out,
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and I was caught up
in the excitement
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of learning more about
Michael and his world,
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so I interview him separately.
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You interview the brothers
all together, him separately.
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You know, he's nervous.
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He doesn't like
to do interviews.
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He's sad, he's lonely, he says.
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He starts talking
about his life.
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♪ Soft, melancholy music ♪
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He was so hurt around
14 and 15 and 16,
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when his face changed.
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He got bigger.
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I mean, his face had broken out.
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He was so sad.
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People didn't care
about him anymore.
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You know, adults would come
into a party at some house,
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and they would be looking all
around. "Where's Michael?"
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And they'd be walking
right past him, you know?
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And he got the feeling that,
"We don't care about you.
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We want that little kid."
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[George] He was dead
set on his focus
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to be, you know, Michael
Jackson, solo artist.
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[Brooke Shields]
And he had to.
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He knew that it was
time. He knew that...
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He was excited to have it
all be on his own terms.
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You know, not with...
not attached to anybody.
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And he knew that-that...
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that he was even
gonna soar from that.
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Well, Off the Wall was
an enormous success.
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It-it put Michael on the
map as a solo artist.
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People forget that,
before Off the Wall,
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there was a period between
Motown and the Destiny album
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where people thought maybe
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the career of The
Jackson 5 was over,
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that they were yesterday's news,
forgotten boy band, really.
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So Off the Wall reestablished
Michael as someone to watch.
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Off the Wall was just
this incredible record,
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and we knew that
Mike was coming back
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with something special because
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he didn't win everything that
he wanted during the Grammys,
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and he only won one award,
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which was the R and
B award at that.
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He thought he was gonna sweep.
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He thought for sure, "I
got a pop smash here."
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So, when that didn't happen,
he left there with a vengeance,
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just determined to
do better next time.
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[John Branca] He
was determined
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to change the way
he was perceived.
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Uh, there were a lot of writings
he did to himself, affirmations.
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[Michael] I look
in the mirror,
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and I would say over
and over to myself...
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I'd take a deep breath,
put my feet together,
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raise myself erect,
strong like a...
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a hero warrior, and I'd say,
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"Biggest-selling album of
all time, greatest seller,"
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over and over to my mind,
and look in my eyes.
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And I'd mean it.
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I'd say, "Biggest-selling
album of all times."
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And I wouldn't accept anything
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unless this was
exactly what I wanted.
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My attitude was:
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I want the biggest-selling
album of all times,
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to break records, to
do phenomenal work.
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I came in angry.
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[Ivory] Michael was writing.
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He was writing. He was fuming.
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He was still upset about
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this idea that he
would be denied,
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you know, major awards
for Off the Wall.
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I just remember
all of the, uh...
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the process of when
they were doing it.
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And the, uh... the excitement
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while they're recording,
just, you know...
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just hearing tales, you
know, as they're coming
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in and out of the
studio with it.
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["Wanna Be Startin'
Somethin'" playing, muffled]
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♪ I said you wanna be
startin' somethin' ♪
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[fading in] ♪ You got to
be startin' somethin' ♪
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♪ I said you wanna be
startin' somethin' ♪
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♪ You got to be
startin' somethin' ♪
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- ♪ It's too high to get over ♪
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
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♪ You're too low to get under ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪
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♪ Yeah, yeah... ♪
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[Matt Forger] Westlake
was a really great studio
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because y-you felt the
facility had this warmth
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and this friendliness and this
casual put-you-at-ease feeling.
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There was just the
most incredible vibe.
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Where you could just be
creatively free to-to take...
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take the music
wherever you wanted.
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This is hallowed ground. I
was... I was in here a lot
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'cause Quincy made a
lot of records in here.
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Off the Wall was made in here.
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Certainly Thriller.
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Quincy worked in here a lot.
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Quincy influenced everything
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- we've ever done in our lives.
- Yes.
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- Whether you can hear it or not.
- Exactly.
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Depth of understanding of music.
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That's what makes Quincy Quincy.
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He's done big band.
He's done small bands.
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He's done pop. He's done rock.
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He's done everything.
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So, just understanding
all those different genres
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and-and how to fuse
them all together
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is what gives you all these
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wonderful applications that you
get on a Michael Jackson record.
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And that sound was ma...
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You know, Bruce Swedien
had a lot to do with
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how that overall
sound was... the echo
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and the reverbs and the...
the way he would place things.
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And they were excited.
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As we were making the record,
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you could feel the
excitement in the room.
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Knowing that we
were doing something
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that was gonna be special.
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[playing elegant melody]
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[Greg Phillinganes]
Wow, I don't even know
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where to begin.
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I just remember coming
here to this studio,
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which was like a second home,
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and coming in, listening to, uh,
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the demos that Rod
Temperton would provide.
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And we would just start
to carve musically
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and-and work our way into
the details of the demos.
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[Steve Lukather]
Rod Temperton.
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This guy was brilliant.
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I mean, he was deep.
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I love Rod Temperton. He
wrote incredible songs,
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and he was a part of Quincy's,
you know, tight team.
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[Anthony Marinelli] We
did a lot of funky sounds
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on "Baby Be Mine."
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[Michael Jackson's
"Baby Be Mine" playing]
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♪♪♪
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Quincy was just looking for...
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He's always looking for
something different.
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So we were brought
in because it was...
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I think Quincy knew about MTV,
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and he was looking
for a cinematic thing
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'cause Quincy came from film.
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When Michael would
want... he-he knew things
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that he would want for sounds.
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And, uh, he would put it on
a record player and play it.
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And then I'd say, "Well, let
me go get that other synth."
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So it would be in the truck,
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parked in the parking
lot of Westlake,
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or it would be in the hallway.
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We had Anvil Cases
lined up the hall,
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and we just basically
took over the place.
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And we were creating sounds
and using synthesizers
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in-in kind of a big way
and replacing orchestra.
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[playing Michael Jackson's
"P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)"]
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♪♪♪
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[Paul Jackson, Jr.] So,
one of the things that
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I noticed about
Michael's development
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as a songwriter...
I-I saw him getting
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more rhythmically and
harmonically advanced,
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taking steps forward
and forward and forward.
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His talent was not only
developing as a singer.
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- Mm-hmm.
- He developed as a...
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- as an entertainer.
- Yes.
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It's funny you guys should
have picked this room,
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'cause I'm walking through
here, you know, and I-I just...
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you know, I'm just
seeing. I can...
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I almost, um, channel him,
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- his spirit into this room.
- Yeah.
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He had us prepared.
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- We were prepared.
- [Oren Waters] No question.
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And he would come
in ready to go.
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He was the kind of
individual that, uh,
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had a awesome work ethic.
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[Ed Eckstine] The process was
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quite a, uh, adventure
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'cause most people forget
that the first single
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from the album was
"The Girl Is Mine."
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♪ "The Girl Is Mine" by Michael
Jackson & Paul McCartney ♪
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Obviously, you had no
bigger star in the world
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than Paul McCartney.
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And, you know, the pairing
of Michael and Paul,
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what better flag waver
to get a project started?
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[Michael] ♪ Every night, she
walks right in my dreams ♪
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♪ Since I met her
from the start ♪
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♪ I'm so proud I
am the only one ♪
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♪ Who is special in her heart ♪
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♪ The girl is mine ♪
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[Bruce Swedien] Yeah, hit
it, John. Hit it, John.
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♪ The doggone girl is mine... ♪
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[Lukather] So we get the call.
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It's, like, Paul McCartney
and Michael Jackson.
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I mean, it just didn't
get any bigger than that,
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so we were kind of like,
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"Oh, holy shit. What
are we gonna do?
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What's this gonna be all about?"
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When Paul McCartney
walked in the room,
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there was a palpable
change of energy of:
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"Oh, my God, that's
Paul McCartney."
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[Michael] ♪ Saying that
she's yours, not mine ♪
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♪ Sending roses and
your silly dreams ♪
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♪ Really just a waste of time ♪
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♪ Because she's mine ♪
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- [Quincy Jones] Beautiful. Whew!
- Yeah.
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♪ The doggone girl is mine ♪
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Do that one more time,
man, from the second verse.
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[Forger] Uh, that
was a wonderful day.
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For me, it was a day
that changed my life.
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I was in the presence
of the greatest,
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most successful people
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in the music business.
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Paul McCartney, Michael
Jackson, Quincy Jones.
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George Martin was there.
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[Nelson George] Because
of its catchy melody,
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many think "The Girl Is Mine"
was written by Paul McCartney,
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when, in fact, it was
composed by Michael Jackson.
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♪ Really just a waste of time ♪
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♪ Because she's mine... ♪
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Once the music started flowing,
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it was like here's
two old friends.
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[beeping]
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- ♪♪♪
- [dialogue inaudible]
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[beep]
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[McCartney] ♪ The
girl is mine ♪
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[backup singers]
♪ Mine, mine ♪
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[McCartney, singing
deeply] ♪ Yes, she's mine ♪
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- [backup singers] ♪ Mine, mine ♪
- [laughing] ♪ Don't waste ♪
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[beeping]
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[Michael] ♪ But we
both cannot have her ♪
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♪ So it's one or the other ♪
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♪ And one day you'll discover ♪
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♪ That she's my girl
forever and ever ♪
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[McCartney] ♪ Don't build
your hopes to be let down... ♪
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[George] Coming out
of Off the Wall,
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the challenge was:
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Is Michael Jackson
really a pop star,
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or is he just a
big R and B artist?
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♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whoo ♪
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[Ivory] The way
it worked was that
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you were a Black artist
until you weren't,
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and you weren't when you
got on the pop charts.
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Michael told me
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"The Girl Is Mine"
was his sneak attack.
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He knew he wanted to cross over,
and what better way to do it
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than to have Paul McCartney?
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[McCartney] I've heard
it all before, Michael.
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She told me that I'm her
forever lover, you know?
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Don't you remember?
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[Michael] Well,
after loving me,
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she said she couldn't
love another.
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Is that what she said?
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Yeah, she said it.
You keep dreaming.
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- ♪ I don't believe it, no ♪
- [backup singers] ♪ Mine, mine ♪
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- ♪ The girl is mine ♪
- ♪ Mine, mine, mine ♪
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- ♪ No, mine ♪
- [Michael] ♪ No, mine ♪
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♪ She's mine, mine,
mine, mine, mine ♪
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[backup singers] ♪
Mine, mine, mine... ♪
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[George] So, that
initial session
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with Michael and Paul
happens in April.
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The actual formal
sessions for Thriller
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didn't start for a
couple months later.
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Yeah, Michael, uh, did the
demos at-at his home studio.
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Quincy invited me to
go to Michael's house
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to listen to some demos.
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What I didn't realize was that
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we would be given our own
private world premiere
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of "Billie Jean," "Beat It,"
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'."
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♪ "Beat It" (demo)
by Michael Jackson ♪
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♪ Beat it ♪
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♪ But you're driving me mad ♪
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- ♪ So beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
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♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
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♪ Showing how funky,
strong is your fight ♪
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♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
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- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
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♪ No one wants to
be defeated... ♪
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[Michael] Well, the
songwriting process
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is something that's very
difficult to explain
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because it's very spiritual.
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♪ Who's wrong or right,
just beat it... ♪
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It's, uh... it really
is in the hands of God,
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and it's as if it's
been written already.
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00:16:22,330 --> 00:16:23,700
That's the real truth.
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As if it's been written in its
entirety before you were born
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and you're just
really the source
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through which the songs come.
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Really, because they're...
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they just fall right into
your lap in its entirety.
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You don't have to do much,
uh, thinking about it.
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And I feel guilty having to put
my name sometimes on the songs,
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but I-I do write them.
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I compose them. I write
them. I-I do the scoring.
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I do the lyrics.
I do the melody.
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But still it's, uh...
it's the work of God.
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"Startin' Somethin'"
was wild. You know,
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he had all this...
[imitates drumbeat]
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♪ "Wanna Be Startin'
Somethin' by Michael Jackson ♪
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[Mark Ronson] "Wanna
Be Startin' Somethin'"
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has the frenetic
percussion of Off the Wall,
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which is amazing because
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it's like, you have these
incredibly tight drum grooves
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and these programmed beats now.
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I think that's why, for-for me,
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"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"
is still my favorite.
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I remember just, uh, uh, being
able to go out and do the demo
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- at Hayvenhurst, yeah.
- [Maxine Waters] Mm-hmm.
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[Julia Waters] He had
it before we got there,
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and then h-he just, you know,
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shared it with us and
we worked out the parts.
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[Maxine] And we just
had to perfect it,
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because it's so
rhythmic and all that.
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And so he knew the
sound, he knew the...
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the rhythm that he wanted
to hear and everything,
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so like I said, we were quick.
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- ♪ Too low to get under ♪
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
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♪ Stuck in the middle ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪
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- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Hard to get over ♪
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[playing "Wanna Be Startin'
Somethin'" accompaniment]
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♪♪♪
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There's a certain approach, you
know, you want to take to...
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you know, to
emphasize the feeling.
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I would say that Quincy helped
glue those elements together
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and make an arc out
of the progression
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of how the song started
to... to the vamp at the end,
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and made it seamless, you
know, including horns,
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which, of course,
at-at first thought,
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would be considered too jazzy,
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but they blended perfectly
well in the song later on.
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ Too high to get over ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ You're too low to get under ♪
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00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:27,536
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ And the pain is thunder... ♪
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But there's still that...
[imitating percussive beat]
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[percussive beat playing]
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And then at the end,
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when it goes a cappella to...
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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That, as a DJ... that
is your best friend
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because then you start to
mix in your next record
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and blending in whatever
the biggest songs you have.
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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[scatting over "Wanna
Be Startin' Somethin'"]
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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- ♪ Hee, hee, hee ♪
- ♪ Mama se, mama sa ♪
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- ♪ Ma-ma coo sa ♪
- ♪ Help me sing it ♪
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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- ♪ Hoo, hoo ♪
- ♪ Mama se, mama sa ♪
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- ♪ Ma-ma coo sa ♪
- ♪ Hee, hee ♪
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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- ♪ Sing it to the world ♪
- ♪ Mama se, mama sa... ♪
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[Oren] As a matter
of fact, I asked him
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what "mama se, mama sa,
ma-ma coo sa" meant,
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you know, while
it was going down.
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He... "Well, it
don't mean nothing.
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Just sing it, you know," and...
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- [laughter]
- Yeah, and there it is,
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because that was difficult
to do, I'm telling you.
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He said, "I like
singing with you all
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because you sound like me."
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He always thought our
voices blended so well
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- with-with his.
- [Maxine and Oren] Mm-hmm.
485
00:19:34,110 --> 00:19:35,416
[Usher] "Wanna Be
Startin' Somethin'"
486
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,240
was like... it was
like an opportunity
487
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,870
to kind of get into his mind.
488
00:19:39,070 --> 00:19:42,960
And this idea of,
like, "Billie Jean"
489
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,860
and the fact that he was
living kind of in this...
490
00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:47,090
this world where
491
00:19:47,290 --> 00:19:49,146
you didn't really know
what was real or wasn't.
492
00:19:49,170 --> 00:19:50,876
♪ "Billie Jean" (demo)
by Michael Jackson ♪
493
00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:52,870
♪ She told me I
was a lonely man ♪
494
00:19:53,070 --> 00:19:54,280
♪ And I felt sad ♪
495
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,990
♪ She called my name,
then she said hello ♪
496
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:59,640
♪ All them who died ♪
497
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,750
♪ And I sit in a cup in a ride ♪
498
00:20:06,250 --> 00:20:08,360
♪ It seems that you ♪
499
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,750
[scatting melody]
500
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,240
[Blige] My mom had just bought
501
00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:18,680
a stereo system,
and it had lights.
502
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:19,890
The drums kicked in.
503
00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:22,470
[imitating drumbeat]
504
00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:25,460
And then... [imitates bass line]
505
00:20:25,660 --> 00:20:27,170
I mean... [chuckles] What?
506
00:20:27,370 --> 00:20:30,440
And I ran down the hallway
just to hear closely
507
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,610
what was... what was playing,
what this record was.
508
00:20:33,810 --> 00:20:35,746
And it was "Billie
Jean," and it was on
509
00:20:35,770 --> 00:20:37,130
and poppin' from there. [laughs]
510
00:20:37,210 --> 00:20:40,500
It's actually kind of nasty,
and you can hear the room mics
511
00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:42,060
and it's dirtier than you think.
512
00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:43,506
You know, you always
have that moment where
513
00:20:43,530 --> 00:20:45,446
you fall in love with an
artist for the first time.
514
00:20:45,470 --> 00:20:48,300
Really truly great,
legendary artists,
515
00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:51,860
you have that same feeling
over and over and over again.
516
00:20:52,060 --> 00:20:53,540
"Billie Jean" was that moment
517
00:20:53,670 --> 00:20:56,510
where I fell in love with
Michael all over again.
518
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:59,470
♪♪♪
519
00:21:01,930 --> 00:21:03,290
When Michael sings it,
520
00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:08,000
he puts the funk into it
the way he does all the...
521
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,190
[imitating Michael's
vocalizations]
522
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:12,720
and all the little
stuff that he puts in.
523
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,336
That gives it the syncopation.
524
00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:16,800
And if I just go...
[imitates beat]
525
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,450
he's gonna go...
[imitating vocalizations]
526
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,870
♪ She was more like
a beauty queen ♪
527
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:25,616
- ♪ From a movie scene ♪
- [accompaniment fades]
528
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,346
[a cappella] ♪ I
said, "Don't mind ♪
529
00:21:27,370 --> 00:21:30,050
♪ But what do you
mean I am the one ♪
530
00:21:30,250 --> 00:21:35,170
♪ Who will dance on the
floor in the round?" ♪
531
00:21:36,050 --> 00:21:38,580
♪ She said I am the one ♪
532
00:21:38,770 --> 00:21:42,100
♪ Who will dance on the
floor in the round ♪
533
00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:44,680
[accompaniment returns]
534
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,270
♪ She told me her
name was Billie Jean ♪
535
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:49,790
♪ As she caused a scene ♪
536
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:51,290
♪ Then every head turned ♪
537
00:21:51,390 --> 00:21:52,920
♪ With eyes that dreamed... ♪
538
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,570
[Usher] Everybody
loves toxic R and B.
539
00:21:55,770 --> 00:21:58,760
"Billie Jean is not my
lover. She's just a girl
540
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,256
who claims that I am the one"?
541
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,126
Yeah, that's like,
was it his side chick?
542
00:22:02,150 --> 00:22:04,386
You know what I'm saying?
Was it some chick who,
543
00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:06,466
you know, he had an encounter
with and got pregnant?
544
00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:08,730
Is this real, or is
this some delusional fan
545
00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:11,320
who is saying that, you know,
546
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,710
they had an encounter
that they did or didn't?
547
00:22:13,910 --> 00:22:15,270
All of those things just led you
548
00:22:15,330 --> 00:22:18,910
to be more intrigued
about an artist, right?
549
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:22,220
But it was, like,
urgent and R and B.
550
00:22:22,420 --> 00:22:24,086
It was... it was
crazy. It was a...
551
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:26,116
an amazing R and B
record, and his lyrics...
552
00:22:26,140 --> 00:22:28,330
you know, "The kid is
not my son," I mean...
553
00:22:28,530 --> 00:22:31,360
♪ The kid is not my son... ♪
554
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,280
[Blige] "The kid
is not my son."
555
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:36,340
[laughs] That first... well,
that... we-we like bad boys,
556
00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:38,126
so that made us
love him some more.
557
00:22:38,150 --> 00:22:40,870
And then when I saw the
video, I was losing my mind.
558
00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:42,720
I lost my voice, screaming.
559
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,930
You know, it was
about "Billie Jean."
560
00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:47,716
You know, him stepping on,
you know, the-the pavement,
561
00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:51,290
it glowing and, you know,
making you feel the magic.
562
00:22:51,490 --> 00:22:54,370
I'd storyboarded that, uh,
he would walk down the, uh...
563
00:22:54,540 --> 00:22:56,576
the street and the paving
stones would light up.
564
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,436
And I showed him
which 11 paving stones
565
00:22:58,460 --> 00:22:59,910
we could afford to have light up
566
00:23:00,110 --> 00:23:01,930
and therefore which
ones couldn't.
567
00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:03,376
And he looked carefully at them,
568
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,316
and-and I said, "Well,
should we rehearse it?"
569
00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:07,460
And he said, "No,
let-let's just do it."
570
00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:10,080
And we ran the
playback, the music,
571
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,770
and the chorus kicked
in for "Billie Jean,"
572
00:23:12,970 --> 00:23:15,280
and he began his dance movement
573
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,346
down that street, and
I'll never forget it.
574
00:23:17,370 --> 00:23:19,130
The-the camera
actually steamed up.
575
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:21,856
I could hardly even see him
through the-the eyepiece
576
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:22,890
because it was
577
00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:24,790
so exciting to watch.
578
00:23:24,990 --> 00:23:27,180
[Ivory] Michael is
doing so much moving
579
00:23:27,380 --> 00:23:30,370
that Steve isn't even getting.
580
00:23:30,570 --> 00:23:32,346
There are several
shots in "Billie Jean"
581
00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:35,690
where he's just being
shot from the waist up
582
00:23:35,890 --> 00:23:38,700
and you can just see him
doing all kinds of stuff.
583
00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:39,890
And it's like,
584
00:23:39,980 --> 00:23:41,316
"Why aren't you getting that?"
585
00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:43,180
But that's just how new
586
00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:47,220
the medium was to
capturing dancers.
587
00:23:47,420 --> 00:23:49,160
Michael opened
the door for that.
588
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:50,710
♪ I am the one... ♪
589
00:23:50,910 --> 00:23:53,176
And every time they just kept
freezing him in those brackets,
590
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,240
and every time he'd
walk, they froze him.
591
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:56,806
And every time he
said something,
592
00:23:56,830 --> 00:23:59,760
I just was losing my mind
'cause I loved him so much.
593
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,070
But on "Billie Jean,"
594
00:24:01,270 --> 00:24:04,260
we was like, "Oh, he is
super-duper-duper sexy."
595
00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:06,910
- ♪ Not my lover ♪
- ♪ Don't call me, Billie Jean ♪
596
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:09,140
♪ Billie Jean is
not my lover... ♪
597
00:24:09,340 --> 00:24:12,370
[Branca] MTV refused
to play "Billie Jean."
598
00:24:12,570 --> 00:24:14,980
They said, "Well, our
network appeals to,
599
00:24:15,180 --> 00:24:16,556
you know, white teenagers,
600
00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:19,380
and this just really
doesn't fit our format."
601
00:24:19,580 --> 00:24:20,900
♪ hard rock guitar riff ♪
602
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:22,680
[Mark Goodman] This is it.
603
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,950
Welcome to MTV Music Television.
604
00:24:25,150 --> 00:24:26,150
I'm Mark Goodman.
605
00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:27,986
- I'm Martha Quinn.
- I'm Alan Hunter.
606
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:30,106
[Goodman] You'll never look
at music the same way again.
607
00:24:30,130 --> 00:24:31,580
Turn it on! Leave it on!
608
00:24:31,780 --> 00:24:35,040
America, see the
music you want to see.
609
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,630
I want my MTV.
610
00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:39,030
Some prominent Black
musicians are complaining
611
00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:41,346
that they are being left
out of the video market,
612
00:24:41,370 --> 00:24:43,950
specifically the Music
Television cable operation.
613
00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:46,720
It-it occurred to me,
having watched MTV
614
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,440
over the last few months,
um, that it's-it's got a...
615
00:24:49,570 --> 00:24:52,730
it's a solid enterprise and
it's got a lot going for it.
616
00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:55,596
I'm just floored by the fact
that there's so many Bl...
617
00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:57,710
so few Black artists
featured on it.
618
00:24:57,910 --> 00:24:59,070
Why is that?
619
00:24:59,270 --> 00:25:02,400
The fact is, quite frankly,
we're a rock and roll station.
620
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,090
MTV will deny this
till the world ends,
621
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:09,450
that they had nothing
against Black artists.
622
00:25:09,650 --> 00:25:13,500
But they refused to,
uh, play Michael.
623
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:16,000
[Walter Yetnikoff]
In 1975, I was named
624
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,270
president of the
CBS Records Group
625
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:21,190
and a vice president
of CBS, Inc.
626
00:25:21,390 --> 00:25:25,070
No single record changed
the business and my life
627
00:25:25,270 --> 00:25:28,910
as powerfully as Michael
Jackson's Thriller.
628
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:30,890
I screamed bloody murder
629
00:25:31,090 --> 00:25:33,520
when MTV refused
to air his videos.
630
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,270
They argued that their
format, white rock,
631
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:38,150
excluded Michael's music.
632
00:25:38,350 --> 00:25:40,400
I argued they were
racist assholes.
633
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,650
[Branca] So Walter
Yetnikoff said,
634
00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:43,860
"Really? Okay.
635
00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:45,456
If you don't play
Michael Jackson,
636
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,760
I'm pulling Billy Joel and
everybody else that I have,
637
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,040
uh, off of MTV."
638
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:52,296
[Yetnikoff] I've never
been more forceful
639
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,540
or obnoxious.
640
00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:55,460
I've also never
been as effective.
641
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,630
With added pressure from
Quincy Jones, they caved in,
642
00:25:58,830 --> 00:26:03,130
and in doing so, the MTV
color line came crashing down.
643
00:26:03,330 --> 00:26:04,996
[Ivory] One of
the most important
644
00:26:05,020 --> 00:26:07,720
things about Thriller was
the doors that it opened
645
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,310
for other artists to
have the opportunity
646
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:12,950
to get on the pop charts.
647
00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:16,020
Tina Turner. My
God, Private Dancer.
648
00:26:16,220 --> 00:26:17,290
That's who it was.
649
00:26:17,490 --> 00:26:19,810
It was Tina, it was
Lionel, it was Whitney,
650
00:26:20,010 --> 00:26:22,190
it was Michael and Prince.
651
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:24,170
Revenues could just be crazy.
652
00:26:24,370 --> 00:26:26,590
♪ Quiet, hypnotic music ♪
653
00:26:26,790 --> 00:26:29,010
[George] Thriller
changes the dynamic
654
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:30,600
and the culture.
655
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,410
Michael shows the way
that this is possible.
656
00:26:33,610 --> 00:26:35,410
Yeah, I-I grew up, uh,
657
00:26:35,610 --> 00:26:39,210
during the time that
Thriller was released,
658
00:26:39,410 --> 00:26:43,380
and MTV was just becoming
a really big thing.
659
00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:46,450
I remember almost more vividly
660
00:26:46,650 --> 00:26:50,300
the amazing storytelling
through the videos,
661
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,966
which is pretty interesting
'cause I think here we are
662
00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:56,460
40 years later, and
the music and the video
663
00:26:56,660 --> 00:26:59,980
is coming to life again
for the next generation
664
00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:01,180
on TikTok.
665
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:03,880
Michael Jackson's music
has been available
666
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,900
on TikTok since August 2020.
667
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:09,340
I think there's a real rebirth
668
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:13,580
of the music and the video
from these songs on the album.
669
00:27:13,780 --> 00:27:16,890
And it is this new generation
that's being exposed
670
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:19,440
or engaging with the music.
671
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,400
There are about ten million
672
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,320
video creations on
TikTok right now
673
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,920
that include music
from Thriller.
674
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:31,160
There are 17 billion views
675
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,560
of those ten million
videos that exist.
676
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,330
There are about two billion
likes on those videos,
677
00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:41,440
so people putting
a little thumbs-up
678
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,280
or sharing or doing something
to say, "I'm excited about this.
679
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:47,840
I'm engaging with
this-this music."
680
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,280
Pretty massive numbers.
681
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,186
They're hearing it
for the first time.
682
00:27:51,210 --> 00:27:52,316
They're-they're like...
683
00:27:52,340 --> 00:27:53,626
You know, it's-it's
the same feeling
684
00:27:53,650 --> 00:27:55,730
we maybe had when we
watched the MTV video
685
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,890
for "Thriller" or "Beat It."
686
00:27:58,390 --> 00:28:01,400
They're having that same
experience 40 years later,
687
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,446
but rather than just
watch, they're actually
688
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:07,730
then making something to
engage with that music.
689
00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:11,476
[Michael] I was
kind of upset about
690
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:15,470
the news I heard about MTV and
how they weren't showing Blacks,
691
00:28:15,670 --> 00:28:16,990
and that kind of hurt me.
692
00:28:17,170 --> 00:28:20,230
So I wanted to do something
that was so powerful,
693
00:28:20,430 --> 00:28:24,790
so strong that everybody
would have to show it.
694
00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:27,440
But I wanted to
tell a strong story.
695
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,360
The story had to sell itself.
696
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,360
And what... these so-called
videos weren't doing that.
697
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:34,816
They were terrible. They
were just a lot of nothing
698
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,620
put together just
to sell a song.
699
00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:38,540
I wanted my things
to be powerful.
700
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:40,446
I wanted to stand out
from everything else
701
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:42,430
that when you see it,
you run to the set
702
00:28:42,510 --> 00:28:44,310
and you're glued
to it, watching it.
703
00:28:44,410 --> 00:28:45,926
I wanted quality. I
wanted excellence.
704
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:49,070
I wanted the best. I wanted
to perfect perfection.
705
00:28:49,270 --> 00:28:50,860
[Usher] One thing that I can
706
00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:52,126
always say about Michael
707
00:28:52,150 --> 00:28:54,590
is that you felt like there
was a sense of culture.
708
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:56,700
And the culture would
span all the way
709
00:28:56,900 --> 00:29:01,460
from kind of like this Broadway,
you know, more theatrical world,
710
00:29:01,660 --> 00:29:04,500
and then there was this other
element that was cultural,
711
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:06,360
that was almost like gangsters.
712
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,500
♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪
713
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,130
♪♪♪
714
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,560
You know, when you
look at "Beat It"
715
00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:23,520
and the idea that the people
of that era felt like,
716
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,730
"Oh, he's speaking
to us and with us.
717
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:28,650
He's rocking with us.
He's making music for us.
718
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:31,030
We can dance to his music."
719
00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:33,650
♪♪♪
720
00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:46,710
It was an incredible
move to decide,
721
00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:49,420
"We're gonna have a
rock and roll record
722
00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:50,630
on this thing."
723
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:53,280
"Beat It" was straight
up rock and roll.
724
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,996
[Steven Ray] Michael's
idea with "Beat It"
725
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:57,160
was to distance himself
from Off the Wall,
726
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,700
from the dance, disco.
727
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:00,336
And Michael wanted to stretch.
728
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,856
Creatively, he
wanted to stretch.
729
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,316
[Lukather] They wanted a
crossover hit across the board.
730
00:30:04,340 --> 00:30:06,290
Rock, R and B, pop.
731
00:30:06,490 --> 00:30:09,560
They called me to come in
with Michael and Quincy
732
00:30:09,770 --> 00:30:13,110
to do the... [imitates
"Beat It" guitar riff]
733
00:30:13,650 --> 00:30:15,626
They want to go rock
and roll, let's do it.
734
00:30:15,650 --> 00:30:18,760
You know, so I did it with
all... you know, all-all that,
735
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,646
doubled it and
made it sound huge.
736
00:30:20,670 --> 00:30:22,670
And then I played the
bass on it as well.
737
00:30:22,740 --> 00:30:24,580
I did play bass on
that record as well.
738
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,330
So I sat with them
and made that swing,
739
00:30:27,530 --> 00:30:29,386
and when Michael was
dancing in the room,
740
00:30:29,410 --> 00:30:30,636
I knew I was in the pocket.
741
00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:32,016
[Branca] When he
wrote "Beat It,"
742
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,690
he said, "I want a kind
of guitar player on here
743
00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:39,840
that will attract young,
white, teenage males."
744
00:30:40,050 --> 00:30:41,090
Eddie Van Halen.
745
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:43,856
[Ray] He said, "Well, what
do you want me to do?"
746
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,000
And Quincy said, "Well,
747
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,290
I want you to be you.
748
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:47,846
That's you right
there." And he pointed
749
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:49,806
to the famous, you
know, Strat that he had.
750
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:52,390
And he said, "I'm not gonna
tell you what to play.
751
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,520
You go be you."
752
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,956
[Branca] I mean, Eddie ripped
753
00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:56,746
these solos off one
after the other.
754
00:30:56,770 --> 00:30:58,940
[rhythmic thumping]
755
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,410
[playing "Beat It" guitar solo]
756
00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:04,950
♪♪♪
757
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,806
[Marinelli] I
remember, like, hearing
758
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:14,300
the sound coming from Studio A,
759
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:16,130
where he was doing the-the solo.
760
00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:17,380
It was so loud.
761
00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:18,680
I could... I just...
762
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,880
It was just so loud.
763
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,740
Bruce Swedien and
Quincy brilliantly
764
00:31:22,940 --> 00:31:24,600
edited that solo together.
765
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,680
I mean, I think I
probably just loved it
766
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:28,616
'cause, at that moment,
it was probably everything
767
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,730
that I ever loved in
one song, you know?
768
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:32,900
I've done way more time googling
769
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:37,510
Lukather's tone on "Beat It"
than, um, Eddie Van Halen's,
770
00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:39,720
because it's the
tone that drives
771
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,336
the whole record...
that's the riff.
772
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,260
It's the perfect way that, like,
a rock guitar could ever sit
773
00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:47,680
over programmed
drums in a... in a...
774
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,250
like, a funky groove.
775
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:50,986
I thought his videos
were incredible.
776
00:31:51,010 --> 00:31:52,846
I mean, first off,
the guy could dance.
777
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:54,176
I mean, just being in the room,
778
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,480
watching him groove
while we're playing.
779
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,826
[Rich Talauega]
That short film...
780
00:31:57,850 --> 00:31:59,146
you see, this whole movie,
781
00:31:59,170 --> 00:32:01,396
it's about a big fight that's
about to happen, right,
782
00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:02,820
between two rival gangs, right?
783
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,350
♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪
784
00:32:05,550 --> 00:32:07,970
♪♪♪
785
00:32:15,390 --> 00:32:16,690
♪ Beat it... ♪
786
00:32:16,890 --> 00:32:19,490
[Tone Talauega] He saw
value in street culture.
787
00:32:19,690 --> 00:32:21,490
He wanted to try
to figure out a way
788
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,010
on how to incorporate it, and...
789
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:25,430
and the beginning
of it was "Beat It."
790
00:32:25,630 --> 00:32:27,150
[Rich] The people that you see
791
00:32:27,260 --> 00:32:31,770
in that film are a mixture
of dancers and street cats.
792
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:33,480
And not only that
793
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,540
is that you actually had
real gangsters on set.
794
00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:38,340
Like, real Bloods and Crips
795
00:32:38,540 --> 00:32:40,720
and Vatos and all
that, like, for real.
796
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,680
[Terry Lewis] There
was such a magic
797
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:44,106
in Michael and his movement.
798
00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:47,100
♪ No one wants to be
defeated, oh, Lord ♪
799
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:50,560
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
800
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,710
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
801
00:32:53,910 --> 00:32:55,380
♪ Just beat it... ♪
802
00:32:55,580 --> 00:32:56,716
[Rich] You had B-boying
803
00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:58,190
that was going on in New York.
804
00:32:58,390 --> 00:32:59,656
You had popping and locking
805
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,306
that was going down
over here in California,
806
00:33:01,330 --> 00:33:04,610
and strutting and-and
robotting, all them.
807
00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:06,290
So the guy that's vibrating
808
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,160
in the "Beat It" short film
with the... with the glasses on,
809
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,520
his name is Robot Dane.
810
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,980
This is the first ever
811
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:14,960
street dance wave of the
United States of America.
812
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,230
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
813
00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:19,676
♪ It doesn't matter... ♪
814
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:21,260
[Usher] The most
relevant scene
815
00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:25,970
at the time, which either
was breakdancing, locking,
816
00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:28,790
popping, waving, whatever
it might have been,
817
00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:30,720
he's pushing the
envelope forward,
818
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,796
he's teaching us some things,
he's informing us as artists,
819
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:35,830
but also, too, as performers,
820
00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:39,550
he's letting us know that,
"Yo, I want to be the baddest."
821
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:41,650
As a fan or a critic,
822
00:33:41,850 --> 00:33:44,680
you're always looking
for breathtaking moments,
823
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,920
the time when you say,
824
00:33:46,020 --> 00:33:47,416
"I've never seen
anything like that.
825
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,580
I'm probably not gonna see
anything like that again."
826
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:52,200
The Motown show,
827
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,750
that's what I think was
the most important step
828
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:59,290
in the whole Thriller process
of making him the superstar.
829
00:33:59,490 --> 00:34:02,590
♪ And I'll be there ♪
830
00:34:02,790 --> 00:34:05,590
- ♪ Whoo! ♪
- [crowd cheering]
831
00:34:07,510 --> 00:34:09,030
[Ivory] Bob Jones was, uh,
832
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:12,060
vice president of
publicity at Motown.
833
00:34:12,260 --> 00:34:13,260
He says,
834
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:15,540
"We're doing a Motown show."
835
00:34:15,740 --> 00:34:20,730
I rented a tuxedo, and,
uh, I went to the show.
836
00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:22,050
People just went crazy.
837
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:24,130
[Blige] I was home
in front of the TV.
838
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:27,200
[chuckles] Waiting for
him to take us there.
839
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,976
First, we didn't know
what he was gonna do,
840
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,796
because he was up there
with his brothers.
841
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:32,810
[Ivory] The Jacksons leave,
842
00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:35,620
the brothers leave, and
Mike stays out there.
843
00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:36,820
[crowd cheering]
844
00:34:36,910 --> 00:34:38,000
And in the audience,
845
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,250
you could hear
just kind of like:
846
00:34:40,450 --> 00:34:43,500
"What's-what's getting
ready to happen now?"
847
00:34:49,090 --> 00:34:52,010
And, you know, Mike goes
through the whole...
848
00:34:52,210 --> 00:34:54,566
"Those were some great times.
I love the-the old songs."
849
00:34:54,590 --> 00:34:56,156
You know, th-those
were good songs.
850
00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:57,960
I-I like those songs a lot,
851
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,750
but, especially, I like...
852
00:35:01,950 --> 00:35:03,906
- [spectator] "Billie Jean"!
- [crowd shouting]
853
00:35:03,930 --> 00:35:05,616
- the new songs.
- [crowd cheering]
854
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,630
[Ivory] And then here comes
855
00:35:07,830 --> 00:35:08,910
"Billie Jean."
856
00:35:09,110 --> 00:35:12,200
- ["Billie Jean" playing]
- [raucous cheering]
857
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,660
♪♪♪
858
00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:20,540
The tape that you can see
859
00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:22,000
of "Billie Jean"
860
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,760
and the stuff you see
going on in the audience,
861
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,300
it does not capture what
was happening in that crowd.
862
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:33,760
These people were going
863
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,970
absolutely berserk.
864
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:39,670
♪ Who will dance on the
floor in the round? ♪
865
00:35:39,870 --> 00:35:42,310
Mike just turned
it the fuck out.
866
00:35:42,510 --> 00:35:46,320
♪ People always told me,
"Be careful of what you do ♪
867
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,630
♪ Don't go around breakin'
young girls' hearts" ♪
868
00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:50,930
♪ Hee-hee ♪
869
00:35:51,130 --> 00:35:53,640
♪ And Mother always told me... ♪
870
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,810
I mean, he just laid
a bomb on that room.
871
00:35:57,010 --> 00:35:59,520
♪ "'Cause the lie becomes
the truth," hey, hey ♪
872
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,960
♪ Billie Jean is not my... ♪
873
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,650
[Hilburn] I was at that show
874
00:36:03,850 --> 00:36:05,246
at the Pasadena
Civic Auditorium.
875
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:07,866
And he's moving different.
He's got his own moves now.
876
00:36:07,890 --> 00:36:10,880
He's not so much doing
what-what he learned growing up,
877
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,530
and he was excited about it.
878
00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:13,800
♪ Hee-hee-hee ♪
879
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,000
♪♪♪
880
00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:17,020
[Blige] We just
was happy to see
881
00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:19,060
Michael Jackson perform, period.
882
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:21,390
Nobody seen the moonwalk coming.
883
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,060
[cheering]
884
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,650
♪ She says I am... ♪
885
00:36:27,850 --> 00:36:29,266
[Hilburn] He does
the moonwalk.
886
00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:31,050
That's the breathtaking
moment, okay?
887
00:36:31,210 --> 00:36:33,146
And after the show, I
couldn't believe it.
888
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:35,130
I had to go backstage
and to ask somebody,
889
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,120
"Was there a
special trick floor?
890
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,000
[laughs] How did he do that?"
891
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,920
[Rich] You know, this
was the performance
892
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,330
that really changed
space and time.
893
00:36:45,830 --> 00:36:48,380
A few of his dances, we
call 'em timekeepers.
894
00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:51,090
And he created a whole
vocabulary of timekeepers,
895
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:52,730
whether it's with his hip...
896
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,030
[snapping rhythmically]
897
00:36:55,230 --> 00:36:57,070
or with his... you
know, his side,
898
00:36:57,130 --> 00:36:59,600
- stomping with the ankle.
- That's right.
899
00:37:00,930 --> 00:37:03,600
Or he'll stomp with the foot.
900
00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:08,360
With that, you can sing.
901
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,680
You see what I'm saying?
902
00:37:09,870 --> 00:37:11,116
And it looks like
you're dancing.
903
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:12,436
- But you're really not.
- It's an illu...
904
00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:14,100
It's-it's a bit
of a trick, right?
905
00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:16,070
And you go... you
walk over here.
906
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:18,490
[scatting rhythmically]
907
00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:19,690
And switch the mic,
908
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,040
flip the coat, put the
hand in the pocket.
909
00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:24,276
You could do a few things
here and there that only...
910
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:27,020
only you can do if you know
your song and your music.
911
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,900
♪♪♪
912
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:30,140
You know, when you see
913
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:32,820
him glide across
the floor or pop,
914
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:34,470
it's a special effect.
915
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:36,760
He saw magic in that dance.
916
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:39,450
Look at that... if
you pause each moment,
917
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:41,090
it's an iconic silhouette.
918
00:37:41,170 --> 00:37:44,100
It's the hat, it's
the arms, it's the...
919
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:45,980
it's the tapping of the leg.
920
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:47,810
Right? The kick.
921
00:37:48,010 --> 00:37:50,350
♪♪♪
922
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:54,800
To see a Black man
standing on his toes,
923
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,160
seeing that and not
being conscious of it
924
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,060
has made generations
of Black, brown,
925
00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:04,810
white, whatever color kids feel
like anything was possible.
926
00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:08,940
It's bigger than I think we,
uh, think and acknowledge.
927
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:10,630
[cheering]
928
00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:12,440
[Ivory] After Mike finished,
929
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,160
the producer had to get
on the microphone and say,
930
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:18,120
"Ladies and gentlemen,
please, please,
931
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,990
gather yourselves
and take your seats.
932
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:23,020
We have more show to tape.
933
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:24,930
There's much more show coming."
934
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:28,310
And it took a minute for people
to get their ties back together
935
00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:30,800
and the women to put
their wigs back on.
936
00:38:30,990 --> 00:38:32,926
[George] Okay, I have
one question for you.
937
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:34,800
Who was the unfortunate artist
938
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,530
- who had to come on...
- [laughing]
939
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:42,450
I don't remember. [laughing]
940
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:45,370
[cheering continues]
941
00:38:46,330 --> 00:38:48,296
[Usher] I think that was
the moment that he had
942
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,150
his breakout moment from
the... from the group.
943
00:38:51,350 --> 00:38:53,820
That song, "Billie Jean,"
944
00:38:54,020 --> 00:38:56,950
and the way he performed
it on that night
945
00:38:57,150 --> 00:38:59,450
set the standard of what
it was to be a megastar.
946
00:38:59,650 --> 00:39:02,236
The next day after the show,
Fred Astaire called my house.
947
00:39:02,260 --> 00:39:03,946
He said, "I saw the
show last night.
948
00:39:03,970 --> 00:39:06,050
I taped it. I watched
it twice this morning."
949
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:07,636
And he said, "You
were incredible.
950
00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:09,886
You're a hell of a mover,
and you really put them
951
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:11,690
on their A-S-S," he said.
952
00:39:11,890 --> 00:39:13,056
And I said, "God, thank you.
953
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,746
It's so wonderful
for you to say that,
954
00:39:14,770 --> 00:39:16,076
'cause I think you're the best."
955
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:18,990
And that was my r-reward,
'cause I think he's brilliant.
956
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:21,070
♪ Tense, hypnotic music ♪
957
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:22,740
♪♪♪
958
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:24,416
[Copeland] To a
classical dancer,
959
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,446
it's about your line,
it's about the shapes
960
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:27,810
that you're-you're making.
961
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:29,540
And Michael does that.
962
00:39:29,740 --> 00:39:32,610
That, to me, is very
similar to a trained dancer,
963
00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:34,250
even though he wasn't trained.
964
00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:37,590
He would've been the
ideal ballet dancer.
965
00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:39,360
The proportions of his body.
966
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,890
He was lean, uh, and long,
um, and just had, like,
967
00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:46,200
a natural instinct
when he moved.
968
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,730
But there... but there was
such precision and clarity.
969
00:39:49,930 --> 00:39:51,270
He was a perfectionist,
970
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:54,820
and that's what dancers are.
971
00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:57,860
Um, you know, you don't
commit that type of time
972
00:39:58,060 --> 00:39:59,610
and sacrifice your body,
973
00:39:59,810 --> 00:40:01,430
the injury, all of those things,
974
00:40:01,630 --> 00:40:04,870
if you don't have the passion
for it and the love for it.
975
00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:07,850
And all of that sums up Michael
976
00:40:08,050 --> 00:40:10,520
as a dancer, as a
performer, as an artist.
977
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,880
[George] Michael Jackson
didn't invent dancing on film,
978
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,266
but his particular synthesis
979
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:17,860
of the Nicholas
Brothers on one hand
980
00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:21,950
and Bob Fosse, Astaire,
popping, locking,
981
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:24,070
moonwalking... no one had ever
982
00:40:24,270 --> 00:40:26,296
put those elements
together before like that.
983
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,220
You can see it all
the way through from
984
00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:30,296
"Billie Jean" and "Beat
It" and "Thriller,"
985
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,446
all the way through to all
of these other artists.
986
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:35,980
Look at MC Hammer,
"U Can't Touch This."
987
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,570
Then you go forward to, like,
Usher and Justin Timberlake.
988
00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:43,930
And then you go farther
forward to Justin Bieber,
989
00:40:44,130 --> 00:40:46,240
Doja Cat, Bruno Mars.
990
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,920
[Branca] Michael is emulated.
991
00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:51,020
If you look at BTS,
you can see it.
992
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:52,466
[BTS's "Dynamite" playing]
993
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:54,610
[Ivory] I'm all in with BTS.
994
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,900
I love those guys.
995
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:58,900
Every move they do is
all Michael Jackson.
996
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:00,950
Michael created that.
997
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:03,340
[George] The
entire K-pop wave,
998
00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:05,340
they've all studied Michael
999
00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:10,390
in terms of stage clothes,
video clothes and stagecraft.
1000
00:41:10,590 --> 00:41:13,250
There's a great video
if you watch BTS.
1001
00:41:13,450 --> 00:41:15,230
There's a lot of
Michael Jackson.
1002
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:16,786
You see it in their dancing.
1003
00:41:16,810 --> 00:41:19,880
♪ 'Cause I, I, I'm in
the stars tonight ♪
1004
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,590
♪ So watch me bring the fire
and set the night alight ♪
1005
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:29,290
♪ Shining through the city
with a little funk and soul ♪
1006
00:41:29,490 --> 00:41:33,850
♪ So I'm-a light it up
like dynamite, whoa-oh-oh ♪
1007
00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:37,900
♪ Dyn-na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na,
na-na-na, life is dynamite ♪
1008
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:39,100
♪ Dyn-na-na-na... ♪
1009
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:41,440
[George] So, the
entire K-pop movement,
1010
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,180
they're students of the game.
1011
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:47,410
You can look at a number of
millennial hip-hop artists...
1012
00:41:47,610 --> 00:41:49,260
Polo G being one of them...
1013
00:41:49,460 --> 00:41:52,520
23, 24 years old, from Chicago,
1014
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,120
yet he's very much in
trance with Michael Jackson
1015
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,880
and he uses Michael
Jackson music
1016
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,536
and imagery in
some of his music.
1017
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,460
♪ Ha, smooth
criminal, Mike Jack ♪
1018
00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:03,286
♪ And I still like to tote
a four-five like Mike back ♪
1019
00:42:03,310 --> 00:42:04,876
[Polo G] It was just a
night I was riding around,
1020
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:07,146
I was riding in my car,
and I was just listening
1021
00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:08,780
to Michael Jackson interviews.
1022
00:42:08,980 --> 00:42:10,236
I wasn't listening to music.
1023
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:11,626
I was just listening
to his interviews.
1024
00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:13,406
And I just came up
with this idea, like,
1025
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:17,520
maybe I should do, uh, this
song and this instrumental
1026
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:19,790
and just really mess
everybody head up
1027
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:21,246
'cause I know they wouldn't
1028
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:22,866
be expecting that
from a young artist.
1029
00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:25,206
♪ Tell me, Annie, are you
okay? Screaming out, "No way" ♪
1030
00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:26,876
♪ Tell me, Annie,
are you okay? ♪
1031
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:30,930
'Cause I remember my grandma
had this same exact album.
1032
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:32,490
My auntie, who was her daughter,
1033
00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:34,210
she was a big
Michael Jackson fan,
1034
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,120
so she always had
us listening to him.
1035
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:38,830
So I remember her
having this one exactly.
1036
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:40,390
[George] It's pretty wild.
1037
00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:44,260
It says how powerful the imagery
that Michael created was.
1038
00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:46,700
♪ Soft, atmospheric music ♪
1039
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:48,390
♪♪♪
1040
00:42:48,590 --> 00:42:49,950
[Ray] On Thriller,
1041
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:51,950
his life was evolving, you know,
1042
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:55,500
and his vocal approach
was different.
1043
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:58,060
There's vocalists,
and there's stylists.
1044
00:42:58,260 --> 00:42:59,790
[chuckles] Style wins.
1045
00:42:59,990 --> 00:43:02,040
When you can hear a person sing
1046
00:43:02,250 --> 00:43:04,860
and recognize them fr-from
the first couple bars,
1047
00:43:05,060 --> 00:43:06,740
you know you got
something special.
1048
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:08,106
They have a special tone,
1049
00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:09,990
a special voice, a
special delivery.
1050
00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:11,456
Now, Michael had all of that.
1051
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,760
In just the way
he loved to dance
1052
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:15,410
and-and he loved to perform,
1053
00:43:15,490 --> 00:43:19,440
he turned all of that melody
that he was so great with
1054
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,110
into percussive melody.
1055
00:43:21,310 --> 00:43:23,556
Well, that's what he did.
He would sing drum parts.
1056
00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:25,090
He would sing bass lines.
1057
00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:27,690
He would, uh... all with
his rhythmic inflections.
1058
00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:29,356
We call it "drums
in your mouth."
1059
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:31,456
He would beatbox. He was
an amazing beatboxer.
1060
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,950
But beatbox with melody
and sing, you know,
1061
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:35,220
not just beatboxing.
1062
00:43:35,420 --> 00:43:37,620
He would, you know,
integrate melody with it.
1063
00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:39,616
And you can hear it on
"Beat It," you know,
1064
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,250
just the way he would
attack each syllable.
1065
00:43:42,450 --> 00:43:45,400
♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
1066
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,490
♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
1067
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:49,030
[accompaniment fades]
1068
00:43:49,230 --> 00:43:52,390
[a cappella] ♪ Showin' how
funky, strong is your fight ♪
1069
00:43:52,590 --> 00:43:56,120
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
1070
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,810
♪ Just beat it ♪
1071
00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:00,100
♪ Beat it... ♪
1072
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,460
I think of all of his
melodies and his songs,
1073
00:44:02,660 --> 00:44:04,300
and they're
completely percussive.
1074
00:44:04,330 --> 00:44:06,616
I mean, they're incredibly
rhythmically hooky,
1075
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,480
and, you know, all those songs,
and the songs that he wrote
1076
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,881
have these very aggressive
staccato rhythms.
1077
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:15,080
I feel like "Billie Jean" and
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin',"
1078
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,640
they're really short and stabby.
1079
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:18,946
They're always, like...
there's a tiny bit of, like,
1080
00:44:18,970 --> 00:44:21,230
anger and, like, contempt
in the... in the...
1081
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:23,096
in the way that he's
singing and writing.
1082
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,280
[Michael, a cappella]
♪ I know I am someone ♪
1083
00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:27,320
♪ And let the truth unfurl ♪
1084
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,320
♪ No one can hurt you now ♪
1085
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,280
♪ Because you know what's true ♪
1086
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,140
♪ Yes, I believe in me ♪
1087
00:44:33,340 --> 00:44:35,200
♪ So you believe in you ♪
1088
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,120
♪ Help me sing it ♪
1089
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,470
♪ Hoo-hoo! ♪
1090
00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:42,420
The greatest soul singers are
not afraid to feel the music,
1091
00:44:42,620 --> 00:44:44,820
you know, just do what the
music tells them to do.
1092
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:48,230
For all the new cats,
all the new-school cats
1093
00:44:48,430 --> 00:44:50,800
that are going on
record and ad-libbing,
1094
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,130
and they say, like...
1095
00:44:52,330 --> 00:44:55,390
[aggressive staccato scatting]
1096
00:44:55,590 --> 00:44:58,520
I'm sorry, Michael
did that first.
1097
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:00,370
I'll prove it to you.
1098
00:45:00,570 --> 00:45:04,150
[Michael, a cappella] ♪
So beat it, just beat it ♪
1099
00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:06,190
[brief staccato scatting]
1100
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:07,390
♪ Beat it ♪
1101
00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:09,246
[Michael yawning
over beatboxing]
1102
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:10,280
♪ Beat it ♪
1103
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,010
Why was he yawning
on a record, though?
1104
00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:14,320
It shows the freedom
1105
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,550
and how comfortable
he felt in the studio
1106
00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:18,436
without worrying about
people's judgment
1107
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:19,796
or, like, "Yo, what's that?"
1108
00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:21,966
Because you know he was
bringing the freaking skills.
1109
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:25,440
You knew he was bringing
ultra talent and imagination,
1110
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,320
for him to be like,
"You know what?
1111
00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:28,746
I feel like yawning right here."
1112
00:45:28,770 --> 00:45:31,050
[Michael yawning
over beatboxing]
1113
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:32,970
♪ Beat it ♪
1114
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:34,626
[Michael grunts dramatically]
1115
00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:36,746
I-I don't know what that
one is. I don't know what...
1116
00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:38,640
[laughing] I don't...
but I love it.
1117
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,890
And I'm listening
to his ad-libs.
1118
00:45:41,090 --> 00:45:42,330
He's doing all that...
1119
00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:44,620
[beatboxing]
1120
00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:47,210
He's doing all this
rhythmic stuff.
1121
00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:49,840
♪ "Human Nature" by
Michael Jackson ♪
1122
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,840
[Michael beatboxing as
instrumental track fades]
1123
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,540
[Ray] Michael had
such a clear vision
1124
00:46:04,740 --> 00:46:06,560
of what he wanted, and Quincy,
1125
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,080
he knows who wanted to
work with each other.
1126
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:10,556
There's a number
of things going on.
1127
00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:12,530
We have "Beat It,"
drums being done
1128
00:46:12,730 --> 00:46:14,720
by Jeff Porcaro at Sunset Sound;
1129
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,030
Steve Lukather in
Studio B at Westlake;
1130
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:20,640
Studio A, Quincy and Bruce.
1131
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,160
Quincy's going back and
forth between A and B,
1132
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:24,410
across the hallway.
1133
00:46:24,610 --> 00:46:27,270
Then you add the
E.T. storybook album,
1134
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:30,420
and-and then... then
it's just a lot going on.
1135
00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:32,746
Quincy had become friends
with Steven Spielberg.
1136
00:46:32,770 --> 00:46:37,360
And I remember one day
he... Steven invited Quincy
1137
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,300
down to the set when
he was working on E.T.
1138
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:41,780
And, uh, E.T. was there,
1139
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:44,506
and the guys who were operating
it at the time were there.
1140
00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:46,006
And I think somewhere
in the course of it,
1141
00:46:46,030 --> 00:46:47,756
Steven had said to
Quincy, said, "You know,
1142
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:49,650
"I want to do a
rec... we should do
1143
00:46:49,850 --> 00:46:51,390
a record of some sort."
1144
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:53,420
[Branca] So Quincy, I think,
1145
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:55,100
came to Michael and-and said,
1146
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:58,740
"Steven wants us to do
the E.T. storybook album,"
1147
00:46:58,940 --> 00:47:01,226
where Michael would
narrate the story of E.T.
1148
00:47:01,250 --> 00:47:04,370
and Michael would write and
sing a song for the album.
1149
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:06,716
[Eckstine] And Michael
was a big fan, too,
1150
00:47:06,740 --> 00:47:08,096
so, "Quincy, let's do this."
1151
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,380
So they started doing it in
the midst of doing Thriller.
1152
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:15,380
I've always loved film, and, uh,
1153
00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:17,740
we're talking, in the
stage of doing, uh,
1154
00:47:17,850 --> 00:47:21,370
Quincy Jones and myself
and Steven Spielberg,
1155
00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:23,410
uh, working on a project.
1156
00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:25,640
[Branca] The problem
is nobody bothered
1157
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,460
to call Walter Yetnikoff
1158
00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:29,810
and clear the rights
because the album was
1159
00:47:30,010 --> 00:47:32,600
going out on
Universal MCA's label.
1160
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:36,400
I'll never forget, uh, one
day, I was at a-a meeting
1161
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,990
and I get a call, so
I get on the phone
1162
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:42,430
and Walter says, "Tell Michael
to stop kissing the monster."
1163
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:44,620
"Walter, what are
you talking about?"
1164
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:46,196
"Stop kissing the monster!"
1165
00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:49,480
So, if you look at the
E.T. storybook album,
1166
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,306
Michael's got his
arm around E.T.
1167
00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:53,716
They're like pals, and that's
what Walter was talking about.
1168
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:54,996
It wasn't just an album.
1169
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:56,706
It was a whole box
set with posters
1170
00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:59,380
and a picture of
Michael with E.T.
1171
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,030
So Walter filed an
injunction against,
1172
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:05,910
uh, MCA and Universal
1173
00:48:06,110 --> 00:48:08,580
and made them take the
album out of the stores.
1174
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:11,300
It was already shipped.
It was already a huge hit.
1175
00:48:11,470 --> 00:48:12,880
They had to pull the album back.
1176
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,570
Epic wasn't happy, and
they felt it was sort of
1177
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:18,590
holding up their record,
the-the Thriller record.
1178
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:20,036
Yeah, they sued, you know.
1179
00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:21,806
"No, you can't have our
artist, da-da-da-da-da."
1180
00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:24,240
You know, and Walter
was litigious anyway,
1181
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,580
and so he-he went...
he went in hard.
1182
00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:28,370
And MCA responded hard,
1183
00:48:28,570 --> 00:48:30,136
and it was, you know,
all hell broke loose.
1184
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,850
[Branca] And he said,
"John, is he mad at me?"
1185
00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:35,610
I said, "What do you
think, Walter?" [laughs]
1186
00:48:35,810 --> 00:48:38,590
"You-you just sued him
and Steven Spielberg
1187
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:40,840
and Quincy Jones,
and you wonder...
1188
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,030
you're wondering if
he's mad at you?"
1189
00:48:43,230 --> 00:48:46,990
Uh, and he goes, "What
can I do to make it up?"
1190
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:49,126
And I said, "You
give him the owner...
1191
00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:50,756
ownership of his
master recordings:
1192
00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:52,906
Off the Wall, Thriller
and everything to come."
1193
00:48:52,930 --> 00:48:53,940
And he said, "Done."
1194
00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:57,340
To get your masters back in
the middle of a contract,
1195
00:48:57,540 --> 00:49:00,110
I don't think had
ever, ever happened.
1196
00:49:00,310 --> 00:49:02,470
♪ "Carousel" by
Michael Jackson ♪
1197
00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:04,266
[Ray] Rod came with his songs.
1198
00:49:04,290 --> 00:49:05,370
Michael had his songs.
1199
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:06,956
And if those
worked, they worked.
1200
00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:09,300
If they didn't, they-they
went looking elsewhere.
1201
00:49:09,380 --> 00:49:11,520
♪ I lost my heart ♪
1202
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:14,860
♪ On the carousel ♪
1203
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:17,460
♪ To a circus girl ♪
1204
00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:21,340
♪ Who left my heart
in pieces... ♪
1205
00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:23,800
[Jones] "Carousel"
was a great song,
1206
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,281
and fortunately or
unfortunately, you know,
1207
00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:27,740
there was only room on the album
1208
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:32,250
for one mood like, uh,
"Carousel" or-or "Human Nature,"
1209
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:36,130
and "Human Nature" was the
choice we had to make, you know.
1210
00:49:36,330 --> 00:49:37,770
Toto was big at that time.
1211
00:49:37,850 --> 00:49:40,050
[Jones] Toto, who
I just adored,
1212
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:42,780
we worked together a lot,
and, um, they sent over
1213
00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:46,370
two demos that they thought
would be right for Michael,
1214
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:48,160
and all of a sudden, there's...
1215
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,480
at the end, there
was all this silence.
1216
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:51,950
And then it said... it said...
1217
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:53,580
♪ Why, why? ♪
1218
00:49:53,780 --> 00:49:55,560
[scatting "Human Nature" melody]
1219
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,790
♪ Why? ♪
1220
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:58,346
And-and I tell you, I get...
1221
00:49:58,370 --> 00:50:00,116
I get goose bumps
just talking about it.
1222
00:50:00,140 --> 00:50:02,720
And I said, "What the
hell is that?" You know?
1223
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,400
That's what took "Carousel" out.
1224
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,106
I said, "This is
where we want to go,"
1225
00:50:06,130 --> 00:50:08,680
'cause it's got such a...
a-a wonderful flavor.
1226
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,986
- [crowd cheering]
- [Michael] I'll tell you what.
1227
00:50:11,010 --> 00:50:14,220
Tonight, I want to do...
1228
00:50:14,850 --> 00:50:17,650
one of my favorite songs.
1229
00:50:17,850 --> 00:50:20,020
♪ I touched her shoulder ♪
1230
00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:23,800
♪ She likes the way I stare ♪
1231
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,280
♪ And they say, "Why?" ♪
1232
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,510
Everybody sing!
1233
00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:30,100
♪ Tell them that
it's human nature ♪
1234
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:33,700
♪ Why, why does he
do me that way? ♪
1235
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:37,020
The song that always haunts
me is "Human Nature."
1236
00:50:37,220 --> 00:50:38,900
- [chuckles]
- [exhales sharply]
1237
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:40,766
- Um... Yeah.
- What a beautiful record.
1238
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:42,226
That's-that's one of those
records that you just say,
1239
00:50:42,250 --> 00:50:44,440
"I wish I would've did
that record." [laughs]
1240
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,760
And that always,
for me, is the...
1241
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,200
the test of if I love it or not.
1242
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,500
[Michael] I remember one
experience in the studio,
1243
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:55,810
Rod Temperton, one of
the writers on the album,
1244
00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:58,520
and he said, "Michael, if
you only had three hits
1245
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,320
off this album, would
you not be happy?"
1246
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,000
I said, "I'd be very angry."
1247
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,800
And they all started laughing.
1248
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,590
I said, "I expect eight
hits off of this album.
1249
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:10,050
Nine, all of 'em."
1250
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:12,660
[Michael Jackson's
"Human Nature" playing]
1251
00:51:12,860 --> 00:51:14,216
That is how I am. I'm sorry.
1252
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:16,940
And my attitude was always
reaching out for more.
1253
00:51:17,130 --> 00:51:18,730
Never being satisfied.
1254
00:51:18,930 --> 00:51:23,210
And right at this very moment,
I'm on my fifth hit record.
1255
00:51:23,710 --> 00:51:26,070
Five. "Human Nature"
is number ten.
1256
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:29,910
And I've broken a record that
has never been done before...
1257
00:51:30,110 --> 00:51:31,546
five hit songs for one album.
1258
00:51:31,570 --> 00:51:36,510
Always reaching out for more,
striving for excellence.
1259
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:41,690
[Ray] It's so engaging
1260
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:43,650
because the idea
1261
00:51:43,850 --> 00:51:45,366
was to have something
for everyone.
1262
00:51:45,390 --> 00:51:47,996
There was a song that I didn't
really know too much about
1263
00:51:48,020 --> 00:51:49,266
that was called "Starlight,"
1264
00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:51,650
and it was a disco song
that Rod Temperton wrote.
1265
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:55,580
You know, so it
really evolved from
1266
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:59,190
this click here at 1:18.
1267
00:51:59,390 --> 00:52:02,110
And so, okay, we lay the
click down, and the idea was:
1268
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:04,326
"Let's put it... let's
put a new version down.
1269
00:52:04,350 --> 00:52:06,686
Let's put some tracks down
and see where it goes."
1270
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:08,740
So we-we started
with this drumbeat.
1271
00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:10,206
[synthesized drumbeat playing]
1272
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:13,510
Four on the floor,
kind of dance song.
1273
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:16,810
And then... backbeat.
1274
00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:19,790
[drumbeat continues]
1275
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:21,580
Claps on the four.
1276
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:25,000
[synthesized handclaps
add to the beat]
1277
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,520
And then the hi-hat
part was like this.
1278
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,280
Five, six, seven, eight.
1279
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,700
[drumbeat continues]
1280
00:52:35,070 --> 00:52:37,530
And then open hat.
1281
00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:40,980
There we go.
1282
00:52:41,180 --> 00:52:43,500
And then the cowbell.
1283
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:52,860
Here we go.
1284
00:52:53,060 --> 00:52:55,280
So, another thing about
Michael and Quincy
1285
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,220
is they like kind of like
1286
00:52:56,420 --> 00:52:58,500
a little bit of a
feel to the music.
1287
00:52:58,690 --> 00:53:00,160
So, this is straight time.
1288
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,190
And then we add a little
bit of shuffle to it
1289
00:53:03,390 --> 00:53:07,270
so it just kind of pushes
it a little bit like that.
1290
00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:08,470
So it's in.
1291
00:53:08,580 --> 00:53:13,090
And then the bass line ended
up being kind of like a...
1292
00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:15,090
something I never
would have expected,
1293
00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:17,680
like a little bit of a
Latin rhythm, like...
1294
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,530
[imitating drum and bass beat]
1295
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,920
Which sounded like a
conga line to me, but...
1296
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,110
[playing synthesized bass line]
1297
00:53:27,310 --> 00:53:29,210
And there was the-the opening.
1298
00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:33,010
[playing "Thriller"
synthesizer melody]
1299
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:36,260
♪ "Thriller" by
Michael Jackson ♪
1300
00:53:36,460 --> 00:53:38,990
♪♪♪
1301
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:40,560
[wolf howling]
1302
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,636
[Phillinganes] Just layering
all the parts to "Thriller"
1303
00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:46,430
was one of the most fun sessions
I've ever done in my life.
1304
00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:49,020
[Yetnikoff] At 24,
Michael had become more
1305
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,900
than a master singer,
dancer, songwriter.
1306
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:54,840
He was a super salesman
of his own mystique.
1307
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,100
Michael's passion for world
conquest was singular.
1308
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:02,200
He lived, breathed,
slept, dreamt and spoke
1309
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,450
of nothing but
number one successes.
1310
00:54:06,540 --> 00:54:08,406
Thriller stayed
number one for months.
1311
00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:12,170
In the long period of its
unprecedented success, however,
1312
00:54:12,370 --> 00:54:15,780
when it occasionally fell to
second place for a week or two,
1313
00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:17,620
Michael panicked.
1314
00:54:17,820 --> 00:54:19,220
Hysterical, he'd berate me
1315
00:54:19,420 --> 00:54:21,770
for failing to pump
up the promotion.
1316
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:23,560
"I'm pumping, Michael," I'd say.
1317
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,370
"I promise you I'm pumping."
1318
00:54:25,570 --> 00:54:26,930
And I was.
1319
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,200
[Ivory] After
Thriller had sold
1320
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:31,650
about three or four
million copies,
1321
00:54:31,850 --> 00:54:33,420
I got a call about 12 noon.
1322
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:35,880
On the phone was the
record company saying,
1323
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,626
"Hey, listen, if
you're not busy,
1324
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:40,240
we need you to get
over here right now."
1325
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,950
Michael was going to
be presented a-a plaque
1326
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:46,140
for the-the Thriller record.
1327
00:54:46,340 --> 00:54:49,500
And we were wondering,
why were we waiting?
1328
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,400
In came Jane Fonda.
1329
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,940
Jane?
1330
00:54:54,140 --> 00:54:56,500
[applause]
1331
00:54:58,420 --> 00:55:00,410
I love Michael,
and I admire him.
1332
00:55:00,610 --> 00:55:02,891
He's the only person I
know that writes music
1333
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:04,850
that you can dream
to and dance to
1334
00:55:05,050 --> 00:55:06,500
and love to and work out to.
1335
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:08,026
And I do all of 'em to it.
1336
00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:10,130
- Come here, Michael.
- [applause]
1337
00:55:10,330 --> 00:55:11,810
[Ivory] In retrospect, I know
1338
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:14,310
exactly what he was doing.
1339
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:16,876
He understood the
importance of having
1340
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:20,800
a big white star
giving him this plaque.
1341
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,180
Uh, Michael has a number one
single on the pop charts,
1342
00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:26,370
number one album
on the pop charts,
1343
00:55:26,570 --> 00:55:29,750
number one single on
the R and B charts,
1344
00:55:29,950 --> 00:55:32,190
number one album on
the R and B charts.
1345
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:33,830
And I think that starts...
1346
00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:35,820
that's sort of an
historic record.
1347
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:37,896
[Maxwell] But I don't
think we understood
1348
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,360
where it was gonna go until
1349
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,620
the "Thriller" video came out.
1350
00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:43,560
♪ Suspenseful orchestral music ♪
1351
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,340
♪♪♪
1352
00:55:45,850 --> 00:55:47,356
[Branca] As far as
the record company
1353
00:55:47,380 --> 00:55:49,520
was concerned, the
album cycle was done.
1354
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:51,556
They were thrilled
with whatever it sold,
1355
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:54,800
and Michael said, "No, no,
we're gonna... we got more."
1356
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,040
"Thriller," of all the
songs on the album,
1357
00:55:57,190 --> 00:56:01,220
uh, seems like you can do
much more video-wise...
1358
00:56:01,420 --> 00:56:03,990
no, movie-wise...
than any of the songs
1359
00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:06,200
'cause of the story
and all the visuals
1360
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,600
and monsters and stuff.
1361
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,240
And so I came up with an idea
1362
00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:12,960
of thinking that I
really want to change,
1363
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,510
metamorphosis into
some other creature.
1364
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:19,860
I... and I-I saw American
Werewolf In London.
1365
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:21,890
I really liked it.
1366
00:56:22,090 --> 00:56:24,580
And-and I said, "Who's
the director who did it?"
1367
00:56:24,780 --> 00:56:26,336
And they said, "John
Landis, John Landis."
1368
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,336
I said, "Great. That's
who we got to get."
1369
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,430
So I said, "Get in
touch with him."
1370
00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:33,010
[John Landis] So I get
this call, and he says,
1371
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,480
"Michael Jackson," and
I really thought...
1372
00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:38,010
"Little Michael Jackson
of The Jackson 5?"
1373
00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:40,126
I mean, I thought,
"He's a kid," you know?
1374
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:42,230
And he told me he had
a song, "Thriller,"
1375
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,220
and he wanted me
to make a video.
1376
00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:45,420
And I said, "Why?"
1377
00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:47,490
His brother showed
him on the bus
1378
00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:50,500
the tape of American Werewolf,
I think to scare him,
1379
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:52,546
but he loved American
Werewolf in London.
1380
00:56:52,570 --> 00:56:56,730
And he was obviously fascinated
with Rick Baker's work.
1381
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:59,290
[roaring]
1382
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:01,840
And so he called me and said,
1383
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,016
"I want to turn into a
monster. Will you do it?"
1384
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,410
And the record label
wouldn't pay for it.
1385
00:57:06,610 --> 00:57:08,490
And, uh... and we
talked, and I said,
1386
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:10,656
"Michael, you know, you
shouldn't pay for this.
1387
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,150
You shouldn't pay
for it yourself."
1388
00:57:13,350 --> 00:57:15,170
And he said, "Branca,
figure it out."
1389
00:57:15,370 --> 00:57:17,150
Nobody wanted him to do this.
1390
00:57:17,350 --> 00:57:19,480
This was entirely his own thing.
1391
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,360
And everybody else... his
people and the record company...
1392
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,350
said, "Next album. Let's...
We've already... Michael, hello.
1393
00:57:27,550 --> 00:57:30,890
It's the most successful
album of all time. We want..."
1394
00:57:31,090 --> 00:57:34,000
So they thought
"Thriller" was outrageous.
1395
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,420
[George] Its budget was
$1.2 million dollars.
1396
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:39,100
That's at a time when the
average music video budget
1397
00:57:39,220 --> 00:57:40,550
was only $50,000 dollars.
1398
00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:43,860
So I went... I went back to the
office and thought about it.
1399
00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:46,700
And I thought up this
idea of a making-of.
1400
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:48,220
Went to MTV and Showtime,
1401
00:57:48,340 --> 00:57:50,660
and-and Michael was the
biggest thing on the planet.
1402
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,006
And I said, "We'll give you
1403
00:57:52,030 --> 00:57:53,630
a making of
Michael's next video.
1404
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:54,960
We need a million two."
1405
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,860
And they came back,
and they said yes.
1406
00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:59,386
[Michael] We're
trying to bring back
1407
00:57:59,410 --> 00:58:00,730
the motion picture shorts,
1408
00:58:00,810 --> 00:58:03,740
which we will do with,
uh... with "Thriller."
1409
00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:05,916
A lot of the videos... I
hate to use the word "video"
1410
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:08,546
'cause I like to think of
it as a film, which it is...
1411
00:58:08,570 --> 00:58:12,370
we're doing a short film...
a lot of 'em are so terrible.
1412
00:58:12,570 --> 00:58:15,050
And I wanted "Thriller" and
"Beat It" to be a stimulant
1413
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,520
for people to make better
videos or short films.
1414
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,070
I really did, 'cause, I mean,
I love MTV, watching it.
1415
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:24,666
You know, I think it's great,
1416
00:58:24,690 --> 00:58:27,340
but a lot of stuff I see,
I'm not so crazy about.
1417
00:58:27,540 --> 00:58:29,500
[Landis] He wanted
to turn into a...
1418
00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:30,670
at first, a-a wolf man,
1419
00:58:30,780 --> 00:58:35,210
like the werewolf in
American Werewolf.
1420
00:58:35,410 --> 00:58:36,480
[growling]
1421
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,500
His desire was to
turn into a monster
1422
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:41,960
on camera.
1423
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,280
We had the character turn into
1424
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,720
a four-legged hound
from hell, a...
1425
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,390
you know, a beast.
1426
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:52,600
And Michael wanted to
do that, and I told him,
1427
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,750
"Michael, it would
be so difficult
1428
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:56,310
for you to dance with four legs,
1429
00:58:56,340 --> 00:58:58,670
you know, and for
the puppeteers.
1430
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:59,380
No."
1431
00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:01,110
So then it was gonna be
1432
00:59:01,310 --> 00:59:03,630
more of a traditional
wolf man character.
1433
00:59:03,830 --> 00:59:08,030
And Rick Baker did the first
design, and it was great
1434
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:11,030
but truly terrifying.
1435
00:59:11,230 --> 00:59:13,200
And I said, "Aah!
Whatever we have him
1436
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,770
turn into, he's got
to be attractive."
1437
00:59:15,970 --> 00:59:18,400
Scary but...
1438
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,130
kind of cool and
elegant, you know?
1439
00:59:21,330 --> 00:59:25,510
So his second design, he
made him that "were-cat,"
1440
00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:28,680
and it's a much more
graceful design.
1441
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,280
Are you all right?
1442
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,890
- Go away!
- [screams]
1443
00:59:33,090 --> 00:59:34,450
[roaring]
1444
00:59:34,650 --> 00:59:37,160
♪ "Thriller" by
Michael Jackson ♪
1445
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:38,730
♪♪♪
1446
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:40,986
[Deborah Nadoolman Landis]
Michael Jackson was
1447
00:59:41,010 --> 00:59:42,230
a very slight person.
1448
00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:45,210
99 pounds soaking wet.
1449
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:49,220
So, how do you develop
a presence on screen?
1450
00:59:49,420 --> 00:59:50,430
For "Thriller,"
1451
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:52,200
you know, it was supposed to be
1452
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,760
a satire of a
teenage horror film,
1453
00:59:54,970 --> 00:59:56,330
so he's in a letterman's jacket.
1454
00:59:56,380 --> 01:00:00,150
And then, with his red
jacket for that theater,
1455
01:00:00,350 --> 01:00:03,940
I was trying to create
a silhouette that was
1456
01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:08,630
sexy, masculine, impressive,
1457
01:00:08,830 --> 01:00:14,490
and... and gave him
weight on screen.
1458
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,980
[John Landis] So, with
Michael's fascination
1459
01:00:18,180 --> 01:00:21,980
with monsters, I said, "Well,
you'll become two monsters.
1460
01:00:22,180 --> 01:00:23,500
You'll become a werewolf,"
1461
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,650
and then when we decided on
dancing zombies, a zombie.
1462
01:00:27,850 --> 01:00:29,490
Doesn't make sense,
but who cares?
1463
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,550
You know, it's a fantasy.
1464
01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:35,450
And he really enjoyed the
process of the makeup,
1465
01:00:35,650 --> 01:00:38,430
and he really enjoyed
wearing the makeup.
1466
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:41,370
Most actors hate
it, and he loved it.
1467
01:00:41,570 --> 01:00:43,380
He's so dynamic, Mike,
1468
01:00:43,580 --> 01:00:45,520
and he has such
power and such charm.
1469
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,320
As I had seen it, just
looking at, you know,
1470
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,050
"Can You Feel It"
and everything I saw,
1471
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:56,100
it's like, "Why isn't
he being sexual?"
1472
01:00:56,300 --> 01:00:58,410
I mean, he's a rock star.
1473
01:00:58,610 --> 01:01:01,920
So one of the first
things for me was
1474
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,230
I wanted a girl to make him sexy
1475
01:01:06,430 --> 01:01:08,090
and to also...
1476
01:01:08,290 --> 01:01:12,130
to be gaga in love with him.
1477
01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:14,620
The big eyes, you know.
1478
01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:18,430
And I saw over a
hundred actresses
1479
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:20,550
and dancers and all
kinds of people.
1480
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:22,080
And when Ola came in,
1481
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,960
one, she was
desperate, desperate
1482
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,400
to be with Michael Jackson,
and she was adorable.
1483
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,300
[Ola Ray] Michael Jackson
isn't Michael Jackson
1484
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:33,180
as a werewolf.
1485
01:01:33,380 --> 01:01:35,740
Michael Jackson is
1486
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:38,740
another person
totally with the mask.
1487
01:01:38,940 --> 01:01:41,660
And I like, you know,
when he's so shy.
1488
01:01:41,860 --> 01:01:43,580
I have something I
want to tell you.
1489
01:01:43,780 --> 01:01:45,540
[John Landis] The
only time I really
1490
01:01:45,580 --> 01:01:48,036
explained something to him,
I said, "You know, Michael,
1491
01:01:48,060 --> 01:01:52,010
I want you to know when you say,
'I'm not like other guys'..."
1492
01:01:52,210 --> 01:01:54,160
I'm not like other guys.
1493
01:01:54,350 --> 01:01:56,170
"...it will get a laugh."
1494
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,586
And he was clueless. He said,
"Why would this get a laugh?"
1495
01:01:59,610 --> 01:02:01,776
I said, "Because you're
not like other guys."
1496
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,680
But at least he was prepared,
'cause it got a huge laugh
1497
01:02:04,780 --> 01:02:07,880
and, uh... and so
he was in on it.
1498
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,090
You know, I think he would have
been terribly upset otherwise.
1499
01:02:11,290 --> 01:02:13,380
[Rich] From the
beginning of the film,
1500
01:02:13,580 --> 01:02:15,860
going to the theater,
1501
01:02:16,060 --> 01:02:18,126
then you're walking out,
and then Michael has
1502
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:19,356
that cat-and-mouse sort of, uh,
1503
01:02:19,380 --> 01:02:21,100
walk that he's
doing with Ola Ray.
1504
01:02:21,260 --> 01:02:25,370
That's like an ode back to, uh,
classic, uh, musicals, right?
1505
01:02:25,570 --> 01:02:26,690
The cat-and-mouse chase.
1506
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:28,716
Right? Th-Then, you
know, the-the man
1507
01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:30,516
playing up to the
woman and all that.
1508
01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:32,076
[John Landis] And
it's a dolly shot.
1509
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:35,820
And I said, "Mike, here's
what we're gonna do.
1510
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:38,930
As long as Ola
could keep the beat,
1511
01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:40,600
you do those lyrics,
1512
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,850
you can never be more than
this many feet away from her."
1513
01:02:44,050 --> 01:02:46,366
[Deborah Nadoolman Landis]
The big difference between
1514
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:49,440
a costume designer and
a fashion designer is,
1515
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,650
for us, it's all about
dramatic context.
1516
01:02:52,850 --> 01:02:54,330
So, where are they gonna be?
1517
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,450
They're gonna be in an
alley and a movie theater.
1518
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:58,930
And what are they doing?
1519
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,530
They're on a date,
and Michael is gonna
1520
01:03:01,740 --> 01:03:04,640
be playful and be seductive.
1521
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,410
She's dressed in blue.
1522
01:03:06,610 --> 01:03:07,690
She's cool.
1523
01:03:07,890 --> 01:03:10,650
She's relaxed. She's in jeans.
1524
01:03:10,850 --> 01:03:13,570
They did have a
leopard print on them,
1525
01:03:13,770 --> 01:03:16,700
but, you know, tight
jeans, little jacket.
1526
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:18,360
She couldn't have been cuter.
1527
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,280
I think, to the audience,
1528
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,080
with what she's wearing
and her attitude,
1529
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,710
she's sending off
every good vibe.
1530
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:28,420
And I'll say, "Okay,
well, that was fine.
1531
01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:30,150
I don't want fine.
1532
01:03:30,350 --> 01:03:32,590
You're Michael Jackson,
1533
01:03:32,790 --> 01:03:35,550
so it has to be great.
1534
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:37,400
Because if you can't be great,
1535
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,680
why the fuck do I have
Michael Jackson here?"
1536
01:03:39,790 --> 01:03:42,310
So he goes, "Okay, John."
1537
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:43,780
And he did the next take.
1538
01:03:43,860 --> 01:03:45,810
He was great!
[laughs] You know?
1539
01:03:46,010 --> 01:03:51,170
♪ For you and I to cuddle
close together, yeah ♪
1540
01:03:51,370 --> 01:03:53,480
♪ All through the night ♪
1541
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,570
♪ I'll save you from the
terror on the screen ♪
1542
01:03:56,770 --> 01:03:58,090
♪ I'll make you see... ♪
1543
01:03:58,290 --> 01:04:00,780
[John Landis] Michael
Peters and Michael Jackson
1544
01:04:00,980 --> 01:04:02,600
came up with the choreography,
1545
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,560
and it's fascinating
choreography
1546
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,540
because the dancers were allowed
1547
01:04:07,740 --> 01:04:10,500
more rehearsal than usual.
1548
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:12,250
At that point already,
1549
01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:15,590
Michael had established
certain moves,
1550
01:04:15,790 --> 01:04:20,030
so my first instruction to
Michael Peters was spooky,
1551
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:22,370
and the second one was:
1552
01:04:22,570 --> 01:04:24,640
"I don't want any Michael move."
1553
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,700
♪ suspenseful orchestral music ♪
1554
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:30,120
♪ "Thriller" by
Michael Jackson ♪
1555
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,750
♪♪♪
1556
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:44,180
[Rich] And they go into this
1557
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:45,530
popping routine, right?
1558
01:04:45,730 --> 01:04:48,610
This goes back to the whole
thing of where Michael Jackson
1559
01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:51,640
crosses the technique and
the street world, right?
1560
01:04:51,850 --> 01:04:54,130
♪♪♪
1561
01:04:54,330 --> 01:04:58,590
And he was so inspired by
popping and waving and all that
1562
01:04:58,790 --> 01:05:01,550
so that he had to
put them in the film.
1563
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:03,640
How would a zombie dance?
1564
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,910
And then looking at
it, and it was...
1565
01:05:06,110 --> 01:05:07,720
it just made a
lot of sense to me
1566
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,440
that they weren't just locking
or they just weren't popping
1567
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,440
or they just weren't
doing jazz dance.
1568
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,550
The angles, the
lines were all...
1569
01:05:18,750 --> 01:05:21,070
demented and crooked, and it...
1570
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:23,740
I'd just never seen
anything like that before.
1571
01:05:23,940 --> 01:05:26,550
♪ 'Cause this is thriller ♪
1572
01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:28,100
♪ Thriller night... ♪
1573
01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:30,216
[Deborah Nadoolman
Landis] On those zombies,
1574
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:31,946
those costumes were
just made of rags.
1575
01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:36,880
We call it aging,
distressing and dying.
1576
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,280
Then, of course,
Rick Baker's work
1577
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,700
was just masterful on everybody.
1578
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:44,680
♪ Thriller night ♪
1579
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,240
♪ 'Cause I can thrill you more ♪
1580
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,990
♪ Than any ghoul
would ever dare try ♪
1581
01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:00,590
This is a song about
watching a movie.
1582
01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:02,900
Yo. A Blockbuster night.
1583
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:04,620
[laughs] He made
a whole movie.
1584
01:06:04,770 --> 01:06:05,950
He entertained us.
1585
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:08,030
He gave us R and B,
he gave us horror,
1586
01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:11,250
he gave us sci-fi, but he
gave it all to us in music.
1587
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:12,770
He-he was just a-amazing.
1588
01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:14,966
[John Landis] After
the video came out,
1589
01:06:14,990 --> 01:06:16,600
it tripled its sales.
1590
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,500
They sold six million of these.
1591
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:20,650
This made MTV a powerhouse
1592
01:06:20,850 --> 01:06:24,180
and then created this
whole rock video business.
1593
01:06:24,370 --> 01:06:25,570
It was extraordinary.
1594
01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:27,626
[Deborah Nadoolman Landis]
And it's that moment when
1595
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:29,660
the audience falls
madly in love,
1596
01:06:29,860 --> 01:06:32,560
that the audience
creates the icons.
1597
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,486
[Branca] He could
write the songs.
1598
01:06:34,510 --> 01:06:35,670
He could produce them.
1599
01:06:35,870 --> 01:06:37,170
He could sing them.
1600
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:38,716
He could perform like no other.
1601
01:06:38,740 --> 01:06:40,570
And he also was a fashion icon.
1602
01:06:40,770 --> 01:06:43,070
I've seen little tiny
kids in red jackets.
1603
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:45,470
I've seen old grandpas
in red jackets.
1604
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:47,090
I've seen girls in red jackets.
1605
01:06:47,290 --> 01:06:49,830
I've seen everybody
wearing that jacket.
1606
01:06:50,030 --> 01:06:51,600
It was huge worldwide.
1607
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,400
They were buying the leather
jackets that Michael...
1608
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:55,866
They were buying everything.
1609
01:06:55,890 --> 01:06:58,290
They were buying Michael
Jackson posters, calendars.
1610
01:06:58,490 --> 01:07:01,050
♪ Looks so much like
Michael from head to toe ♪
1611
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,726
♪ Put the mic in his hand
and he'll steal the show ♪
1612
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:05,550
[all] I love you,
Michael Jackson.
1613
01:07:05,650 --> 01:07:07,250
[crowd chanting]
Michael Jackson!
1614
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,480
[woman] Anything with
Michael Jackson on it
1615
01:07:09,590 --> 01:07:10,740
does continue to sell.
1616
01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:12,716
[man] I work in a record
store, and it still
1617
01:07:12,740 --> 01:07:14,716
just flies out of
the store every week.
1618
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:16,100
And we're talking about a record
1619
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,650
that's a year and a half,
almost two years old,
1620
01:07:18,850 --> 01:07:20,850
and people are still
freaking out about it.
1621
01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:22,726
[reporter] There have
always been fan clubs,
1622
01:07:22,750 --> 01:07:24,346
Michael's fans more
passionate than most.
1623
01:07:24,370 --> 01:07:27,450
This club calls
itself the P.Y.T.'s.
1624
01:07:27,650 --> 01:07:30,530
We love you! We
love you, Michael!
1625
01:07:30,730 --> 01:07:32,690
And if nothing else,
"Thriller" was always
1626
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,680
gonna be played in
the month of October.
1627
01:07:34,780 --> 01:07:37,260
Like, there's this big
thing in Mexico that happens
1628
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,580
where, I'll tell you, the-the...
every... people fly in for it.
1629
01:07:40,780 --> 01:07:43,550
They're all in their
costumes, and they do
1630
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:45,990
the "Thriller" dance,
thousands of people.
1631
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:48,030
And people are
still, you-you know,
1632
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:49,890
dancing to this
song like it's...
1633
01:07:50,090 --> 01:07:51,730
like it was just
done, like the...
1634
01:07:51,860 --> 01:07:53,876
like the short film
just came out yesterday.
1635
01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:56,480
"Thriller," a long time coming.
1636
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,120
Michael Jackson's "Thriller."
1637
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,400
[George] Probably the
single biggest video
1638
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:01,790
for MTV ever.
1639
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:03,840
[Ivory] After their
initial reluctance,
1640
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:08,240
MTV became a huge supporter
of Michael Jackson,
1641
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,550
especially the
"Thriller" short film.
1642
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:14,120
They heavily promoted
the premiere.
1643
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,930
At some point, it felt
like the "M" in MTV
1644
01:08:18,130 --> 01:08:20,640
stood for "Michael."
1645
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:24,860
And everybody was talking about
how they were gonna cut school
1646
01:08:25,060 --> 01:08:26,960
to go home to watch
the "Thriller" video
1647
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:31,530
because it was a twelve
o'clock world premiere on MTV.
1648
01:08:31,730 --> 01:08:33,930
And he was acting, he
was eating popcorn,
1649
01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:35,770
and then he turned
into a monster.
1650
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,176
There's something about
music, I think, that has...
1651
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,400
that triggers so many
different emotions in people,
1652
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:44,020
so you're tapping
into all of that
1653
01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:47,050
to a larger and larger
and larger audience,
1654
01:08:47,250 --> 01:08:50,210
and it just exponentially grew.
1655
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,370
[George] So, the
spring of '84,
1656
01:08:54,570 --> 01:08:55,890
the record's already out,
1657
01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:58,540
it's already selling
because Michael's now gone
1658
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:00,810
from being a pop
star to a phenomenon.
1659
01:09:01,010 --> 01:09:03,176
The Guinness Book of World
Records is giving him
1660
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,346
an award as the biggest-selling
album of all time.
1661
01:09:05,370 --> 01:09:06,996
It's a thriller
of a party tonight
1662
01:09:07,020 --> 01:09:08,916
for Michael Jackson at the
Museum of Natural History.
1663
01:09:08,940 --> 01:09:10,780
That's where Jackson's
being honored
1664
01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:13,266
for his album that's
broken all the records.
1665
01:09:13,290 --> 01:09:15,316
[reporter 2] This was the
payoff for the fans tonight,
1666
01:09:15,340 --> 01:09:18,180
that momentary glimpse of
superstar Michael Jackson
1667
01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:20,890
with his date for the
evening, Brooke Shields.
1668
01:09:21,090 --> 01:09:23,880
[Yetnikoff] Thriller, with
25 million copies sold,
1669
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:25,870
was the best-selling album ever.
1670
01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:30,670
Today, we surpassed 25
million copies for Thriller.
1671
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:34,950
Michael Jackson, the number
one artist in the world!
1672
01:09:35,150 --> 01:09:37,186
- [crowd cheering]
- Thriller eclipsed them all.
1673
01:09:37,210 --> 01:09:39,310
At one point, the
damn thing was selling
1674
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:40,586
a million copies a week.
1675
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:43,770
[George] Michael had
become a global obsession.
1676
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:46,420
And just think, you
all came to see me.
1677
01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:47,840
[sparse laughter]
1678
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,780
No, I know why you're
here, and with good reason.
1679
01:09:51,980 --> 01:09:54,050
To see one of the most
talented, most popular
1680
01:09:54,250 --> 01:09:57,780
and most exciting superstars
in the music world today,
1681
01:09:57,980 --> 01:09:59,870
Michael Jackson.
1682
01:10:00,070 --> 01:10:01,990
Michael, welcome
to the White House.
1683
01:10:02,110 --> 01:10:03,870
[John Landis] But
being with Michael
1684
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:05,060
at that moment in time,
1685
01:10:05,260 --> 01:10:09,230
this is... "Thriller" is
now out on television.
1686
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:12,530
And there was Michael
mania, you know.
1687
01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:14,076
He called me, and he said,
1688
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:15,646
"Have you ever been
to Disney World?"
1689
01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:18,456
So the park was open, and there
were people walking around.
1690
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,000
Here's Michael,
here's Mickey and me.
1691
01:10:21,190 --> 01:10:25,520
Suddenly, we look around,
1692
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,340
and there are people
1693
01:10:28,540 --> 01:10:33,170
as far as you can see
in every direction...
1694
01:10:33,370 --> 01:10:36,840
behind us, in front
of us, around us...
1695
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,990
and they're getting more
and more hysterical.
1696
01:10:40,190 --> 01:10:42,080
"Michael! Michael!"
1697
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,580
And you see Mickey
Mouse is going like...
1698
01:10:46,780 --> 01:10:47,780
"Holy shit!
1699
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:50,670
We're never getting out
of this alive!" You know?
1700
01:10:53,130 --> 01:10:54,746
[Branca] You
know, Thriller was
1701
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:57,286
the biggest album in the world,
Michael was the biggest star,
1702
01:10:57,310 --> 01:11:00,220
and he wanted to go
out and tour Thriller.
1703
01:11:00,420 --> 01:11:03,640
But Joseph... you know,
uh, Mr. Jackson...
1704
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,850
had other ideas.
1705
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:09,590
He wanted to bring all
the family back together.
1706
01:11:09,780 --> 01:11:10,900
He brought in Don King
1707
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:12,656
as the recommended
promoter of the tour.
1708
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,840
And he got the brothers and
Mrs. Jackson, Katherine.
1709
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,570
Everybody was all for it.
1710
01:11:19,190 --> 01:11:22,080
Michael was hesitant,
to be honest.
1711
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,790
He felt like he had done
Thriller on his own,
1712
01:11:24,990 --> 01:11:28,040
and he wanted to tour
as a solo artist.
1713
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,160
But he was persuaded
to go along with it.
1714
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,720
[Ivory] This tour is a
bonanza of marketing,
1715
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,050
so everybody wants
to get in on this.
1716
01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:42,890
And Quaker Oats, you know,
they had made a deal.
1717
01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:45,390
They had a tentative
deal with the Jacksons
1718
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:47,790
to be the sponsors
of this thing.
1719
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:52,000
And then Don King says, "Listen,
I've already made a deal.
1720
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:53,420
I made it with Pepsi."
1721
01:11:53,620 --> 01:11:56,940
♪ "Billie Jean" (Pepsi
Version) by Michael Jackson ♪
1722
01:11:57,140 --> 01:12:00,190
♪♪♪
1723
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,480
[Branca] Michael was
not into the sponsorship
1724
01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:07,426
'cause he-he said,
"This isn't my thing.
1725
01:12:07,450 --> 01:12:11,270
I don't drink Pepsi. This
is all for my family."
1726
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:13,590
And Michael did not want
to do the Pepsi deal.
1727
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:16,010
♪ You're a whole
new generation ♪
1728
01:12:16,210 --> 01:12:17,780
♪ You're loving what they do ♪
1729
01:12:17,980 --> 01:12:20,010
♪ Put a Pepsi into motion ♪
1730
01:12:20,210 --> 01:12:22,356
♪ And that choice is up
to you, hey, hey, hey ♪
1731
01:12:22,380 --> 01:12:24,370
♪ You're the Pepsi
Generation... ♪
1732
01:12:24,570 --> 01:12:27,570
[Branca] 'Cause he said to me,
"Okay, Branca, listen to me.
1733
01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:29,940
I got to do this 'cause
my family wants it,
1734
01:12:30,140 --> 01:12:32,096
but you have to write two
things in the contract.
1735
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,750
Number one: I'm never
holding a Pepsi can.
1736
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:36,270
And number two: I can't be
1737
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:38,476
on the screen for more
than three seconds."
1738
01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:40,150
So it's in the Pepsi contract,
1739
01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:43,300
no more than three seconds
and never holding a Pepsi can.
1740
01:12:43,500 --> 01:12:45,510
So if you ever watch
that commercial again,
1741
01:12:45,710 --> 01:12:46,710
you'll-you'll see.
1742
01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:48,336
[Ivory] It's
interesting because
1743
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,960
if Don King had not made
the deal with Pepsi,
1744
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,946
Michael's hair wouldn't
have gotten burned.
1745
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:56,610
I was actually at
the Pepsi commercial,
1746
01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:59,360
and I had an all-access pass.
1747
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,470
When I arrived at the
Shrine Auditorium Downtown,
1748
01:13:02,670 --> 01:13:04,830
Michael and the
Jacksons were onstage
1749
01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:07,580
performing "Billie Jean."
1750
01:13:07,780 --> 01:13:09,000
[cheering]
1751
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,466
The audience had been invited,
1752
01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:12,520
you know, and they
were told to scream
1753
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:13,520
and the whole thing.
1754
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,786
They didn't have to be
instructed to do that.
1755
01:13:15,810 --> 01:13:17,190
They were crazy about, you know,
1756
01:13:17,390 --> 01:13:19,550
seeing the Jacksons and
Michael there and...
1757
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:24,620
They did a run-through, and
after they came offstage,
1758
01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:26,510
Michael was just in a great mood
1759
01:13:26,710 --> 01:13:29,470
and he was having
fun, fooling around.
1760
01:13:29,670 --> 01:13:31,446
And then they
called them back out
1761
01:13:31,470 --> 01:13:33,830
and said, "We're
gonna do this again."
1762
01:13:34,030 --> 01:13:36,500
And it went horribly wrong.
1763
01:13:36,700 --> 01:13:39,900
Filming the Pepsi commercial,
there was a big explosion.
1764
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:44,300
♪ You're the Pepsi Generation ♪
1765
01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:45,820
♪ Guzzle down... ♪
1766
01:13:46,020 --> 01:13:47,980
[Branca] And it
burned Michael's scalp
1767
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:49,700
very severely.
1768
01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:52,560
[Ivory] The audience didn't
know what was going on.
1769
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,750
And when they took
Michael offstage,
1770
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:56,190
I went backstage,
1771
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:59,250
and it was just absolute chaos.
1772
01:13:59,450 --> 01:14:01,970
They put him in a stretcher...
1773
01:14:02,170 --> 01:14:03,876
you know, an
ambulance stretcher...
1774
01:14:03,900 --> 01:14:08,950
and they took him offstage
to a paramedic truck.
1775
01:14:09,150 --> 01:14:13,560
And Michael Jackson
was smart enough...
1776
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,360
- [camera snaps]
- to be covered up,
1777
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:18,520
but he had his glove out.
1778
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:22,070
That was the photograph
that went around the world
1779
01:14:22,270 --> 01:14:25,530
of him with the glitter glove.
1780
01:14:25,730 --> 01:14:29,080
People were crying, you
know, in the audience.
1781
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,216
And people were running
with the ambulance
1782
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,730
as it was taking him away.
1783
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:35,170
It was just an incredible thing.
1784
01:14:35,370 --> 01:14:37,406
When I got home, it
was all over the news.
1785
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:39,496
[reporter] Jackson was rushed
to a hospital last night
1786
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,576
after suffering second-
and third-degree burns.
1787
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,200
[reporter 2] But
his doctor said
1788
01:14:43,250 --> 01:14:44,686
the famous patient
was doing well.
1789
01:14:44,710 --> 01:14:46,530
He slept several
hours last night.
1790
01:14:46,730 --> 01:14:49,530
He was up watching TV at
approximately one o'clock.
1791
01:14:49,730 --> 01:14:52,086
He's comfortable this morning,
although he is continuing
1792
01:14:52,110 --> 01:14:53,870
to have discomfort
in the scalp area.
1793
01:14:54,030 --> 01:14:55,510
[Branca] People don't realize
1794
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:58,610
he had to go to emergency
treatment in a burn center,
1795
01:14:58,810 --> 01:15:01,110
and he was troubled by
the pain from that burn
1796
01:15:01,310 --> 01:15:02,630
for the rest of his life,
1797
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:07,380
which led to pain pills and
whatnot to-to ease the pain.
1798
01:15:08,210 --> 01:15:10,260
[Ivory] Because he
needed painkillers,
1799
01:15:10,460 --> 01:15:13,370
he was in pain,
life couldn't stop.
1800
01:15:13,570 --> 01:15:16,580
He had a book full of
things that he had to do.
1801
01:15:16,780 --> 01:15:20,270
You know, a schedule
that just could not stop.
1802
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:21,596
The opening of the Victory Tour
1803
01:15:21,620 --> 01:15:23,156
in Kansas City was
a massive event.
1804
01:15:23,180 --> 01:15:25,780
[dramatic, atmospheric
music playing]
1805
01:15:25,980 --> 01:15:28,570
♪♪♪
1806
01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:31,740
[crowd cheering]
1807
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:35,230
It's at Arrowhead Stadium.
1808
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:37,410
It's a giant football stadium.
1809
01:15:38,290 --> 01:15:40,790
[raucous cheering]
1810
01:15:48,460 --> 01:15:50,460
- I love you, Michael.
- I love you, Michael.
1811
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:51,500
I love you so much.
1812
01:15:51,670 --> 01:15:54,330
This is gonna be the best
concert of the century.
1813
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:55,906
- Don't you think?
- Definitely.
1814
01:15:55,930 --> 01:15:58,250
I have to ask Michael
Jackson to marry me today.
1815
01:15:58,450 --> 01:16:00,970
We would do about anything
to see Michael Jackson.
1816
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,280
[dramatic music continues]
1817
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:06,190
♪♪♪
1818
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:08,780
[cheering continues]
1819
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:18,716
[reporter] You're looking
at a sneak preview
1820
01:16:18,740 --> 01:16:20,740
of what is perhaps
the most controversial
1821
01:16:20,850 --> 01:16:25,130
rock concert tour in history,
the Jacksons' Victory Tour,
1822
01:16:25,330 --> 01:16:27,300
opening tonight in Kansas City.
1823
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:30,970
[Michael Jackson's "Wanna Be
Startin' Somethin'" playing]
1824
01:16:31,170 --> 01:16:33,510
♪♪♪
1825
01:16:57,370 --> 01:16:59,430
♪ I said you wanna be
startin' somethin' ♪
1826
01:16:59,630 --> 01:17:01,750
♪ You got to be
startin' somethin' ♪
1827
01:17:01,950 --> 01:17:03,776
♪ I said you wanna be
startin' somethin' ♪
1828
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,576
♪ You got to be
startin' somethin' ♪
1829
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,406
- ♪ Too high to get over ♪
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
1830
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:08,710
♪ Too low to get under ♪
1831
01:17:08,910 --> 01:17:10,786
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪
1832
01:17:10,810 --> 01:17:12,786
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪
1833
01:17:12,810 --> 01:17:15,030
- ♪ Too high to get over ♪
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
1834
01:17:15,230 --> 01:17:16,510
♪ Too low to get under ♪
1835
01:17:16,710 --> 01:17:18,586
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪
1836
01:17:18,610 --> 01:17:20,756
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪
1837
01:17:20,780 --> 01:17:22,140
♪ I took my baby to the doctor ♪
1838
01:17:22,340 --> 01:17:24,360
♪ With a fever, but
nothin' he found ♪
1839
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,320
♪ By the time this
hit the street ♪
1840
01:17:26,490 --> 01:17:28,170
♪ They said she
had a breakdown ♪
1841
01:17:28,330 --> 01:17:30,090
♪ Someone's always tryin' ♪
1842
01:17:30,290 --> 01:17:31,770
♪ To start my baby cryin' ♪
1843
01:17:31,850 --> 01:17:33,530
♪ Talkin', squealin', lyin' ♪
1844
01:17:33,730 --> 01:17:35,746
♪ Sayin' you just want to
be startin' somethin' ♪
1845
01:17:35,770 --> 01:17:37,810
♪ I said you wanna be
startin' somethin' ♪
1846
01:17:38,010 --> 01:17:39,810
♪ You got to be
startin' somethin' ♪
1847
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,696
[fading] ♪ I said you wanna
be startin' somethin' ♪
1848
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,440
♪ tense synthesizer tones
fading into drumbeat ♪
1849
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,420
♪ "P.Y.T. (Pretty Young
Thing)" by Michael Jackson ♪
1850
01:17:47,620 --> 01:17:49,420
♪ Where did you
come from, lady? ♪
1851
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,646
[reporter] The Victory Tour
sold out in Kansas City.
1852
01:17:51,670 --> 01:17:54,280
Then it was on to
Dallas, Jacksonville,
1853
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:57,280
New Jersey, New
York and Knoxville.
1854
01:17:57,480 --> 01:17:59,640
It's currently scheduled
in some 13 cities
1855
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:01,560
with more sites yet
to be announced.
1856
01:18:01,700 --> 01:18:03,500
Preparations are
well underway tonight
1857
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,480
for the Jacksons'
Victory Tour concert.
1858
01:18:05,530 --> 01:18:07,536
[reporter 2] The Jacksons'
massive stage was beginning
1859
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,360
to take shape as
early as Thursday.
1860
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,096
[reporter 1] There's
not too many places
1861
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:12,976
that you can stick a
monstrous stage like this.
1862
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,320
Most of the performances,
more than 50 in all,
1863
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,450
will be in stadiums
like the Silverdome.
1864
01:18:18,650 --> 01:18:19,910
♪ Pretty young thing ♪
1865
01:18:20,110 --> 01:18:22,620
- ♪ You need some loving ♪
- ♪ TLC ♪
1866
01:18:22,820 --> 01:18:24,370
♪ Tender lovin' care ♪
1867
01:18:24,570 --> 01:18:27,670
♪ And I'll take
you there, girl ♪
1868
01:18:27,870 --> 01:18:30,480
♪ Ooh-ooh, I want
to love you... ♪
1869
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,496
[George] The shows
of the Victory Tour
1870
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,126
were much more
mainstream America,
1871
01:18:34,150 --> 01:18:37,850
and that was a testament to
how big Michael had become
1872
01:18:38,050 --> 01:18:41,080
and to the penetration
of the album.
1873
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:42,280
♪ Ow! ♪
1874
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:44,560
[Michael Jackson's
"Beat It" playing]
1875
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,346
[George] The irony
of Thriller is that
1876
01:18:46,370 --> 01:18:47,716
there was never a
tour solely dedicated
1877
01:18:47,740 --> 01:18:49,630
to the biggest LP of all time.
1878
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:51,280
The Victory Tour was a mix
1879
01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:54,550
of vintage Jackson family
music and hits from Thriller.
1880
01:18:54,750 --> 01:18:56,436
But it was the Thriller material
1881
01:18:56,460 --> 01:18:58,780
that turned the crowd
out every night.
1882
01:18:58,980 --> 01:19:00,620
[crowd cheering]
1883
01:19:00,820 --> 01:19:02,756
[Michael Jackson's
"Billie Jean" playing]
1884
01:19:02,780 --> 01:19:04,870
♪ Hee! Hoo! ♪
1885
01:19:05,070 --> 01:19:08,250
♪♪♪
1886
01:19:14,170 --> 01:19:16,430
♪ She says I am the one ♪
1887
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:19,470
♪ But the kid is not my son ♪
1888
01:19:19,670 --> 01:19:22,840
♪ No, no, no ♪
1889
01:19:23,340 --> 01:19:26,440
♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪
1890
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:31,110
♪ She's just a girl who
claims that I am the one ♪
1891
01:19:31,310 --> 01:19:34,810
♪ But the kid is not my son ♪
1892
01:19:36,190 --> 01:19:38,200
♪ She says I am the one ♪
1893
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,780
♪♪♪
1894
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,040
♪ Whoo! ♪
1895
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,110
♪ You know you ain't ♪
1896
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:55,740
♪ Not my lover ♪
1897
01:19:55,940 --> 01:19:59,320
- ♪ You know you can't ♪
- ♪ Not my lover ♪
1898
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,240
♪ Because you are ♪
1899
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:02,800
♪ Not my lover ♪
1900
01:20:03,010 --> 01:20:05,080
♪ 'Cause you're a silly girl ♪
1901
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:06,750
♪ Not my lover ♪
1902
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:10,310
♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪
1903
01:20:10,510 --> 01:20:13,750
♪ Billie Jean is
not my lover ♪
1904
01:20:13,950 --> 01:20:17,280
♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪
1905
01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:21,050
♪ Billie Jean is
not my lover ♪
1906
01:20:21,250 --> 01:20:24,990
[steady drumbeat playing]
1907
01:20:25,190 --> 01:20:28,160
[crowd cheering]
1908
01:20:37,420 --> 01:20:40,710
♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪
1909
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,390
♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪
1910
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:48,520
Michael has been
nominated for 12...
1911
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,420
- 12 1983 Grammy Awards.
- [applause]
1912
01:20:52,620 --> 01:20:54,210
The highest number in history.
1913
01:20:54,410 --> 01:20:57,650
♪ "Don't Stop 'Til You Get
Enough" by Michael Jackson ♪
1914
01:20:57,850 --> 01:21:01,050
[Shields] So we went
to the 1984 Grammys
1915
01:21:01,250 --> 01:21:03,950
at the Shrine Auditorium.
1916
01:21:04,150 --> 01:21:06,216
I didn't get the
feeling he was nervous.
1917
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:07,640
I actually got the feeling that
1918
01:21:07,690 --> 01:21:09,410
he was excited.
1919
01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:13,690
And I don't think I had any idea
1920
01:21:13,890 --> 01:21:15,380
even the magnitude of it.
1921
01:21:15,580 --> 01:21:17,800
♪ Keep on with the
force, don't stop ♪
1922
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,320
♪ Don't stop till you
get enough, keep on... ♪
1923
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,480
[George] Michael
Jackson was nominated
1924
01:21:22,580 --> 01:21:24,010
for 12 Grammys overall,
1925
01:21:24,210 --> 01:21:27,760
including Album of the Year
and Record of the Year.
1926
01:21:27,970 --> 01:21:31,260
♪ And I feel on fire ♪
1927
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:35,060
♪ Ain't nothin'... ♪
1928
01:21:35,260 --> 01:21:37,656
[Melissa Manchester] The
Record of the Year is...
1929
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:38,956
"Beat It," Michael Jackson.
1930
01:21:38,980 --> 01:21:40,686
[Mike Love] For
Album of the Year...
1931
01:21:40,710 --> 01:21:42,146
[Brian Wilson]
The winner is...
1932
01:21:42,170 --> 01:21:44,110
- [laughing, exclaiming]
- Thriller!
1933
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:46,780
[cheering and applause]
1934
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,330
♪ Sensation ♪
1935
01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:51,890
♪ Oh, sensation ♪
1936
01:21:52,090 --> 01:21:53,570
♪ Lovely where we're at... ♪
1937
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,540
Best Pop Vocal Performance,
Male: Michael Jackson.
1938
01:21:57,740 --> 01:22:00,690
[cheering and applause]
1939
01:22:00,890 --> 01:22:02,646
I made a deal with
myself, if I win more...
1940
01:22:02,670 --> 01:22:04,490
one more award,
which is this award,
1941
01:22:04,690 --> 01:22:06,470
which is seven,
which is a record,
1942
01:22:06,670 --> 01:22:08,950
I would take off my glasses.
1943
01:22:09,150 --> 01:22:10,680
[cheering]
1944
01:22:11,220 --> 01:22:14,060
♪ Ooh, keep on with
the force, don't stop ♪
1945
01:22:14,260 --> 01:22:16,480
♪ Don't stop till
you get enough ♪
1946
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,900
♪ Keep on with the
force, don't stop ♪
1947
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:20,806
♪ Don't stop till
you get enough ♪
1948
01:22:20,830 --> 01:22:22,896
♪ Keep on with the
force, don't stop... ♪
1949
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,320
[Shields] He deserved it.
1950
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,950
You know, it was... it was due.
1951
01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:29,410
♪ Don't stop till
you get enough ♪
1952
01:22:29,610 --> 01:22:32,370
♪♪♪
1953
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,630
[Yetnikoff] In February 1984,
1954
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:41,330
between Michael and Quincy,
Thriller won a dozen Grammys.
1955
01:22:45,050 --> 01:22:46,916
[Michael] Well, as
we know, Thriller is
1956
01:22:46,940 --> 01:22:49,030
a huge, huge
success... the album...
1957
01:22:49,230 --> 01:22:50,970
but, uh...
1958
01:22:51,170 --> 01:22:52,906
the joy of doing
something phenomenal
1959
01:22:52,930 --> 01:22:55,520
'cause everybody waiting
to see the next big,
1960
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:57,440
you know, Michael Jackson short.
1961
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:59,766
And I thought "Thriller"
was the perfect vehicle.
1962
01:22:59,790 --> 01:23:01,076
- We're gonna come out.
- No.
1963
01:23:01,100 --> 01:23:02,916
- No one's gonna like it.
- No, no, no, no, no.
1964
01:23:02,940 --> 01:23:04,530
But 40 years from
now, Michael...
1965
01:23:04,730 --> 01:23:05,730
My part will be.
1966
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,780
[laughing] I don't
know about you.
1967
01:23:07,980 --> 01:23:09,410
All right, and stop.
1968
01:23:09,610 --> 01:23:11,200
- [crew member] Cut.
- [beep]
1969
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,180
Who's your biggest inspiration?
1970
01:23:13,380 --> 01:23:15,210
Who inspired you the most?
1971
01:23:15,410 --> 01:23:16,410
Michael Jackson.
1972
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:18,480
[Ronson] Michael
saw that he could
1973
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:20,306
touch greatness
with Off the Wall,
1974
01:23:20,330 --> 01:23:23,110
knew he was still going
against racist radio
1975
01:23:23,310 --> 01:23:25,990
and people that wanted
to put him in a box.
1976
01:23:26,190 --> 01:23:29,800
But you have to be so
in the rarefied air,
1977
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:34,790
.0001%, to even be able to,
like, project yourself to that.
1978
01:23:34,990 --> 01:23:37,690
That idea that I can take
1979
01:23:37,890 --> 01:23:40,590
dance music and visuals
1980
01:23:40,780 --> 01:23:42,340
and turn the world on its ear,
1981
01:23:42,540 --> 01:23:46,670
that idea that he crystallized
in "Thriller"... not going away,
1982
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:49,360
and I don't think it's
ever gonna go away.
1983
01:23:49,860 --> 01:23:51,220
[Usher] So, whether it was
1984
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,850
"Human Nature" and
his amazing voice,
1985
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:55,850
you know, "Beat
It" and looking at
1986
01:23:56,050 --> 01:23:58,460
the references that were
there, because every time
1987
01:23:58,660 --> 01:24:01,460
you saw a video, you
got a new idea of, like,
1988
01:24:01,660 --> 01:24:03,746
who he was as an artist
and what he was selling.
1989
01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:06,880
Right? There was his hair and
his clothing, his wardrobe.
1990
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,740
All of those things were
informing the culture.
1991
01:24:09,940 --> 01:24:12,330
He was establishing
the standard.
1992
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:13,790
Thriller.
1993
01:24:13,980 --> 01:24:18,310
Man, there has never
been anything like that.
1994
01:24:18,510 --> 01:24:20,540
Michael Jackson's Thriller.
1995
01:24:20,740 --> 01:24:22,540
♪ Suspenseful orchestral music ♪
1996
01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:24,360
[screams]
1997
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,440
What's the problem?
1998
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,110
Come on, I'll take you home.
1999
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:37,450
[evil laughter]
2000
01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:44,330
♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪
2001
01:24:56,510 --> 01:24:59,710
♪ They told him, "Don't
you ever come around here ♪
2002
01:24:59,910 --> 01:25:02,900
♪ Don't wanna see your face,
you better disappear" ♪
2003
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:06,420
♪ The fire's in their eyes and
their words are really clear ♪
2004
01:25:06,620 --> 01:25:10,280
♪ So beat it, just beat it ♪
2005
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:13,280
♪ You better run, you
better do what you can ♪
2006
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:16,870
♪ Don't wanna see no blood,
don't be a macho man ♪
2007
01:25:17,070 --> 01:25:20,460
♪ You wanna be tough,
better do what you can ♪
2008
01:25:20,660 --> 01:25:22,020
♪ So beat it ♪
2009
01:25:22,220 --> 01:25:23,810
♪ But you wanna be bad ♪
2010
01:25:24,010 --> 01:25:27,570
- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2011
01:25:27,770 --> 01:25:30,420
♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
2012
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:33,930
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2013
01:25:34,130 --> 01:25:37,370
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
2014
01:25:37,570 --> 01:25:40,910
- ♪ Just beat it, just beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2015
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:42,330
♪ Just beat it ♪
2016
01:25:42,530 --> 01:25:44,860
- ♪ Beat it, beat it, uh! ♪
- ♪ Just beat it ♪
2017
01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:48,050
♪ They're out to get you,
better leave while you can ♪
2018
01:25:48,250 --> 01:25:51,720
♪ Don't wanna be a boy,
you wanna be a man ♪
2019
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,680
♪ You wanna stay alive,
better do what you can ♪
2020
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,410
♪ So beat it, just beat it ♪
2021
01:25:58,610 --> 01:26:01,870
♪ You have to show them that
you're really not scared ♪
2022
01:26:02,070 --> 01:26:04,920
♪ You're playin' with your life,
this ain't no truth or dare ♪
2023
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,096
♪ They'll kick you,
then they'll beat you ♪
2024
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,570
♪ Then they'll tell you
it's fair, so beat it ♪
2025
01:26:10,770 --> 01:26:12,240
♪ But you wanna be bad ♪
2026
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:15,950
- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2027
01:26:16,150 --> 01:26:18,970
♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
2028
01:26:19,170 --> 01:26:22,270
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2029
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:25,250
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
2030
01:26:25,450 --> 01:26:29,800
- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2031
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,860
♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
2032
01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:36,280
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2033
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,430
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
2034
01:26:39,630 --> 01:26:42,540
♪ Just beat it, beat
it, beat it, beat it ♪
2035
01:26:42,740 --> 01:26:45,120
♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪
2036
01:26:49,670 --> 01:26:52,130
♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪
2037
01:26:52,710 --> 01:26:54,800
♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪
2038
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,380
♪♪♪
2039
01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:02,090
♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪
2040
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:05,640
[rhythmic thumping]
2041
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:09,770
[electric guitar solo playing]
2042
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:29,410
♪♪♪
2043
01:27:35,380 --> 01:27:38,990
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2044
01:27:39,190 --> 01:27:41,930
♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
2045
01:27:42,130 --> 01:27:45,350
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2046
01:27:45,550 --> 01:27:48,500
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
2047
01:27:48,700 --> 01:27:52,190
- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2048
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:55,530
♪ No one wants to be
defeated, oh, Lord ♪
2049
01:27:55,730 --> 01:27:59,200
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2050
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,510
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
2051
01:28:02,710 --> 01:28:06,270
- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2052
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:09,250
♪ No one wants to be
defeated, oh, no ♪
2053
01:28:09,450 --> 01:28:13,340
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2054
01:28:13,540 --> 01:28:15,840
[fading] ♪ It doesn't matter ♪
2055
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,460
[crowd cheering]
2056
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:21,720
[soft jingling]
2057
01:28:28,010 --> 01:28:30,310
[Michael chuckles]
2058
01:28:30,510 --> 01:28:32,560
[Michael whoops]
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