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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:22,960 (soft orchestral music) 2 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,800 - «Astronaut» It's beautiful Mike, it really is. 3 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,320 (explosion) 4 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,920 (dramatic orchestral music) 5 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,040 - Propaganda is political brainwashing. 6 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,160 - It's a calculated attack on the complexity 7 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:52,360 of other people's minds. 8 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,000 - Behold his mighty hands. 9 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,760 - It's the invisible hand. 10 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,760 It's getting you to submit without realizing consciously 11 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,560 that you're submitting. 12 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,320 - What if the media is the enemy of the people. 13 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,880 (dramatic orchestral music) 14 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,680 - Wherever there is power, there is propaganda. 15 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,520 - If we grow up only surrounded by propaganda, 16 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,400 then how do we know what is truth? 17 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,760 - In my line of work you've gotta keep repeating things 18 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,160 over and over and over again, 19 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,560 for the truth to sink in. 20 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,280 - We can take back control of 350 million pounds. 21 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,840 350 million pounds. 22 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,160 - Propaganda is not going to die out. 23 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,000 Propaganda is essential for the modern state. 24 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,600 - How can we protect democracy 25 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,440 from people tampering with the truth? 26 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,600 - The truth about Negroes and foreigners. 27 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,920 - In the wrong hands, 28 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:21,080 the power of art is a dangerous thing. 29 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,120 (upbeat jazz music) 30 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,200 (muffled speaking) 31 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,240 - «Narrator» We allow ourselves 32 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,200 to be manipulated by fictions, 33 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,160 as though they were uncontestable truths, 34 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,760 as if we cannot distinguish between the two. 35 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,920 - «Man» Okay, can you go back and reshoot it. 36 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:56,240 I think we have to get it again. 37 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,880 - «Narrator» We have always been captivated 38 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,760 by fairy tales and fantasies, 39 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,600 and the imagery that accompanies them. 40 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,840 But how is it possible that our powers of reason 41 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,080 have so often been overtaken by the irrational? 42 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,560 - If we look back at the history of humankind, 43 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,800 language is a medium 44 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,760 that provided humans 45 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,120 with a new kind of power. 46 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,880 The power of grasping 47 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,760 the symbolic layer of reality. 48 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:39,280 If we look back at the history of magic, art, religion, 49 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,000 they all share the same roots. 50 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,840 (eerie electronic music) 51 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,520 - This is one of the hand stencils 52 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,720 that El Castillo Cave is famous for, 53 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,080 and the hand stencil is probably the first 54 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,960 symbolic piece of art we find, 55 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,480 representing something in the real world. 56 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,400 This is done with a great deal of care. 57 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,480 The location is deliberately chosen. 58 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,640 This is not just art for art's sake, 59 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,000 this is meaningful art. 60 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,880 To know that they are the hands neanderthal, 61 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,280 that 65,000 years ago, 62 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:27,800 the neanderthal stood there and made this symbol, 63 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,720 it's mind-blowing. 64 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,520 This is the origin of symbolic culture, 65 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,800 it's the origin of art if you like, 66 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,320 and that plays a really important role in propaganda. 67 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,680 symbolic communication lies at the heart of propaganda. 68 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,720 And there are maybe 40 of these hand stencils in this area. 69 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,640 So when we see large concentrations of art like this, 70 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,440 maybe it was designed to be viewed 71 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:53,760 by a large number of people, 72 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,480 by gatherings of individuals, 73 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,480 perhaps performing some kind of ritual. 74 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,240 This is public art if you like. 75 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,680 - Great propaganda exploits your need to believe something, 76 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,400 your need for belief, 77 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,320 and your craving or your appetite 78 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,360 for a magical form of empowerment. 79 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,800 We will at this point lose our relative 80 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,400 insignificance in the universe, 81 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,600 and we'll be master of the universe together. 82 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,840 - The shaman takes you into the dark cave, 83 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:33,080 where you can't see very well and things are flickering, 84 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,560 and pictures of the animal spirits are on the walls. 85 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,120 The caves might be seen as a rather elaborate way 86 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,320 of convincing people of the power of the shaman. 87 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,040 That's propaganda. 88 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:55,320 - «Narrator» The power of the image 89 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,080 has been with us from the beginning. 90 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,040 Is that why we are so easily seduced by propaganda? 91 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,600 And coerced into adopting opinions that are not our own? 92 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,440 - You are fake news. 93 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,000 - «Narrator» Today we are bombarded with loaded images, 94 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 and messages, like never before. 95 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,200 They scream out to us 96 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,320 from our own computers, and cell phones, 97 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,640 as if the dystopian fiction of George Orwell 98 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,560 has become our daily reality. 99 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,520 So how can we defend ourselves 100 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,560 against the inanities of politics? 101 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,240 Of religion? 102 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Of demagogues? 103 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,040 Of rabble-rousing leaders who feed us false hopes, 104 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,960 deception, and hate? 105 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,160 (in foreign language) 106 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,560 When the very concept of truth is being attacked, 107 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,040 when knowledge is debased, and ignorance lauded, 108 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,320 when the rage within every one of us is at a boiling point, 109 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,640 we need to stop and ask ourselves how we got here. 110 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,240 This film is a cautionary tale, 111 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,720 and a call to action, 112 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,920 at a precarious moment in our history. 113 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,800 - We can be manipulated, we can be influenced. 114 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,640 Information is a really powerful thing. 115 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,320 I'm Craig Silverman, I'm the media editor for Buzzfeed News. 116 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,920 Our office in Toronto specializes in 117 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,480 investigating media manipulation, 118 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,680 digital deception, fake news, online misinformation. 119 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,040 - «Interviewer» Let me ask you, 120 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,160 how did you come up with the term, fake news? 121 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,400 - For me, my first encounter 122 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,480 with what I came to call, fake news, 123 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,960 happened in the late summer or the fall of 2014. 124 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,880 I kept coming across stories 125 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,120 that were just completely 100% false, 126 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,120 but they looked like they were published 127 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,080 on a news website. 128 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,440 One of the things that we exposed during the 2016 election 129 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,640 was that there were a group of young men and teenagers, 130 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,760 in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, 131 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,280 who were launching Trump sites. 132 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,240 They had more than 150 that we found, 133 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,040 and they were publishing a lot of stories 134 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,040 that were incredibly misleading, 135 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,640 and many that were also 100% false. 136 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,640 And one of the reasons for that is, 137 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,600 you could make a lot of money from them. 138 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,880 Some of the fake stories that we saw 139 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,360 during the election that did well, 140 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,000 were a story claiming that the Pope had endorsed Trump, 141 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,360 a story claiming that Hilary Clinton 142 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,520 had approved a sale of weapons to ISIS. 143 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,280 They were everywhere. 144 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,240 - Storytelling is a powerful tool 145 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,480 to move people, 146 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,040 it's a powerful tool to engage people. 147 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,760 People want to believe in stories. 148 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,120 Storytelling is embedded in the history of propaganda. 149 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,720 Good propaganda is a good story, it's a good narrative. 150 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:25,600 There is an enemy, 151 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,320 there is a hero. 152 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,640 And this is how propaganda worked through the centuries. 153 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,280 Taking some specific symbols, 154 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,120 and providing those symbols with supernatural power. 155 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,840 - The use of propaganda to depict 156 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,160 a cult of personality, 157 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,160 we can go right back to Alexander the Great. 158 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,520 Alexander the Great was one of the first leaders 159 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,720 to recognize the importance of the way in which 160 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,960 his presence should be symbolized. 161 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,440 - There's a case to be made for him being 162 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,160 one of the greatest propagandists ever. 163 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,200 He became a god. 164 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,640 That's the point, 165 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,400 and I think he did that consciously. 166 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:18,320 He was the first person to have to wrestle 167 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,080 with the problem of having a vast empire, 168 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,520 and how do you keep people believing in you? 169 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,800 You can't be everywhere at one time, 170 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,280 so he and his people came up with the idea, 171 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,800 well if Alexander can't be there, 172 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,560 statues of Alexander can be there. 173 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,920 Coins with Alexander's head on them 174 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,200 can go to the ends of the world, 175 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,160 and they will carry the Alexander message. 176 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,360 Believe in me and everything's gonna be fine. 177 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,960 - Propaganda wants to be everywhere. 178 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,080 It is only propaganda when it is part 179 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,360 of a larger endeavor, 180 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,880 of constructing, of engineering reality. 181 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,520 When we don't think it's propaganda, 182 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,160 it works the best as propaganda. 183 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,840 - «Narrator» Arguably the most effective 184 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,840 propagandist in history, has been the church. 185 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,360 Could I ask you about the origin of the word, propaganda? 186 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,080 - The word, propaganda, as we use it in English, 187 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,360 does derive from a Latin term, 188 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,600 and the sense of the original Latin term, is to plant. 189 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,440 The planting of ideas, 190 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,560 it's used in the Catholic church 191 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:35,960 as a way of describing the process of Evangelization. 192 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,120 You plant, or you seed, the faith. 193 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,320 - At the beginning of the 16th century, 194 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,000 there were maybe 200 printing presses in Europe, 195 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,320 and these would turn out to be the heavy artillery 196 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:55,960 of the propaganda war that was about to break out. 197 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,360 Martin Luther, and the people who worked with him, 198 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:00,920 in the reformation, 199 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,720 had a very clear idea of the power of the printing press. 200 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,400 They produced enormous amounts of stuff. 201 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,680 The first bestseller was one of Martin Luther's tracts 202 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:15,080 about iniquitous seller indulgences. 203 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,160 And he had the idea to use 204 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,560 the services of really good artists, 205 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:25,280 who did woodcuts, that would go along with his sermons, 206 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,440 railing against the Catholic establishment. 207 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,360 - But then we have first of all, various popes, 208 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:43,080 trying to counter the propaganda of Protestantism. 209 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,920 - They decided to go right through 210 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,800 the whole means of communication of the Catholic church, 211 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,520 and make it more accessible to the ordinary person. 212 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,960 And that went from painting, sculpture, 213 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,240 architecture, music, 214 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,400 right across the whole spectrum of the arts, 215 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,640 and gave rise to 216 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,640 the glory that is the baroque. 217 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,560 (dramatic orchestral music) 218 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,560 At the heart of any propaganda campaign, 219 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:28,440 is an emotional appeal of some kind, 220 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,960 some kind of emotional appeal. 221 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,440 The central baroque idea of manipulating the senses, 222 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,880 is playing to the heart, rather than to the mind. 223 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,160 and I'm probably best known as the creator 224 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,960 of the famous, or infamous 1968 225 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,640 red and black Che Guevara poster titled, "Viva Che." 226 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,600 I was working as a barman in a pub in Kilkee, 227 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,400 and in walks Che Guevara. 228 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,320 And of course, being a barman, 229 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:16,480 you learn to talk to people. 230 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,280 It was one of my gifts. 231 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,760 So he came over near the bar, 232 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,960 and I said, what brings you here? 233 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,480 And he looked at me kind of startled, 234 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,520 and I said, "you're Che," and he said, "yeah." 235 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,160 He said he was in a stopover fog bound, 236 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,200 for two days I think in Shannon Airport. 237 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,640 It left an enormous impression, 238 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,960 because here was somebody I admired hugely. 239 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,040 It was like meeting Martin Luther King. 240 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,960 This was a man I looked at and thought, my God, 241 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,480 the is the real hero of the revolution. 242 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,320 I did many, many versions of the Che, 243 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,440 before I came to the final version, 244 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:51,800 and here's a couple of them. 245 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,440 As you can see they're over-complicated. 246 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,680 I needed to simplify so I started simplifying. 247 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,480 These are not in sequence. 248 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,000 You can see what I'm up to. 249 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,600 This was one I was going to do as a poster, and didn't, 250 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,840 because that's what he looked like when I actually met him. 251 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:15,560 Che had been murdered, 252 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,240 executed as a prisoner of war. 253 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,960 Then they committed the most obscene act. 254 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,680 They put him on this thing 255 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,440 for draining the blood from cattle. 256 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,960 And he looked like the dead Christ. 257 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,720 I was so outraged at the manner of his murder, 258 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,040 and the fact that they tried to disappear him, 259 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,400 which has resonance in Ireland, for we had many disappeared, 260 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,240 and we know during the Argentina dirty war 261 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:44,800 what disappearance meant. 262 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,240 And I thought, **** them, that's not gonna happen. 263 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,440 When I did the Che Guevara image, 264 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,560 I did that deliberately as a piece of propaganda. 265 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,400 I wanted that as simple as possible, 266 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,160 so anybody could copy it. 267 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,920 I made leaflets, I made prints, I gave it to everybody. 268 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,560 I made it free use. 269 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,080 I rather grandly stated that it was to be copyright-free 270 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,400 for all revolutionary and leftist use. 271 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,680 The Che image began to proliferate of its own accord. 272 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,320 I've seen it in the most incongruous places. 273 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,560 I've seen it in toilets in Tokyo. 274 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,960 I've seen it endlessly on T-shirts. 275 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,480 It took off and became so world-famous 276 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,400 it kind of intimidated me. 277 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:34,600 It got to the point where 278 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:36,680 I wouldn't even say I did it, 279 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,680 because nobody'd believe you. 280 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,960 I'm very lucky, kind of accidentally, 281 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,520 I created one of the most iconic images of all time, 282 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:49,680 and I try not to laugh, 283 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,560 because it's a serious image, 284 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:52,800 but it feels kind of good. 285 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,280 You know, it's nice at my age 286 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,600 to be looking back and thinking, 287 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,440 well I did something decent with my life. 288 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,640 I commemorated a great man, and made him live again. 289 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:15,760 (grungy music) 290 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,040 - In the first world war, 291 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,280 you have nations fighting in total war. 292 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:33,720 You don't just have armies, 293 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,320 but you have whole populations 294 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,840 pitted against whole populations. 295 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,040 And as a result of that, 296 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,640 governments have to justify, really for the first time, 297 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,120 on a major scale, 298 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:51,960 why they are fighting total war, 299 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,000 and that's where propaganda comes in. 300 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,760 (eerie electronic music) 301 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,920 Propaganda is used by all the belligerents. 302 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,240 They used the old media, 303 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,440 the print, posters, et cetera, 304 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,680 but they also used the new technologies, 305 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,080 of in particular the cinema. 306 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,960 (majestic orchestral music) 307 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,720 In stark terms, 308 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,200 many of these stories were perceived 309 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,720 in the immediate aftermath of World War I to be untrue. 310 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,080 And so propaganda in Britain and America, 311 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,600 became firmly associated with lies and falsehood. 312 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,120 Now what's interesting, 313 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,920 is that other countries, like Germany, Italy, 314 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,200 Russia, eventually the Soviet Union, 315 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,160 would actually take a different lesson from 316 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,360 the experiences of the first world war. 317 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:24,240 They wouldn't see propaganda necessarily 318 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,720 in these negative terms. 319 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,520 (dramatic orchestral music) 320 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,040 (orchestral music continues) 321 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,960 If you look at films, such as, "The Fall of Berlin," 322 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,760 here you see Stalin depicted in cinematic form. 323 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,240 We have an actor who becomes a national treasure, 324 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,560 who plays Stalin in a number of films. 325 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,360 And plays Stalin as this wise, kind of benevolent figure, 326 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,760 that really sacrifices everything for his country, 327 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,360 and in "The Fall of Berlin," of course, 328 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:31,200 it's the celebration, it's the apotheosis, 329 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,200 of this wise and benevolent leader. 330 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,000 (in foreign language) 331 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,480 - Long live Stalin! 332 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,840 - Propaganda is something that we cannot bring 333 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,480 our full intelligence to bear on. 334 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,280 So there's something about propaganda, 335 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,280 that actually disables our intelligence. 336 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,560 So we might look back and think, 337 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,240 how could I have believed that? 338 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,280 It's a bit like the end of a love affair, where you think, 339 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,640 how could I have possibly fallen for that person? 340 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,960 The disillusionment over Stalin, 341 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,040 it seems to me is very telling here, 342 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,880 because what it shows us in retrospect, 343 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,200 is how much selective attention 344 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,200 was required to go on believing. 345 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,840 In other words, people had quite actively, if unconsciously, 346 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,040 attacked their capacity for perception and for thought. 347 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,320 It's as though it had never really occurred to them. 348 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,240 And this seemed to me to be an active part of oneself, 349 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,320 that can determinedly not know what one knows. 350 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,440 Propaganda is based on how you stop yourself knowing things. 351 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,120 - Propaganda is something other people consume. 352 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,680 I mean I think that that's 353 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,240 sort of our default definition, right? 354 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,400 We don't go, nobody goes around and says, 355 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,400 my name is Astra, and I love propaganda, 356 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,560 because we all like to flatter ourselves and think, 357 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,240 we don't consume propaganda, 358 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,520 other people do. 359 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,440 If you look at standard histories of propaganda, 360 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,440 what do you see? 361 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,200 You see the Catholic church, 362 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,080 you see the Soviet Union, and Nazi propaganda. 363 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,120 And what's striking to me 364 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,360 about these conventional narratives of what propaganda is, 365 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,680 is how much is left out. 366 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,720 - «Announcer» Adrian knows that for some reason 367 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,760 she doesn't fit into the picture, 368 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,320 but she doesn't know why. 369 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,960 - As a woman in this world I know there are 370 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,600 patriarchal messages, there are sexist messages. 371 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,880 (whistling) 372 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,720 There's no bureau of male affairs, 373 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,960 pushing those from on high, 374 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,480 they're just sort of in the ether, 375 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,960 and being transmitted through the culture, 376 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,840 and we call them stereotypes. 377 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,040 We talk about bias, but we don't use the term, propaganda. 378 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,360 Take a show like "The Bachelor." 379 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:37,800 - Lauren D. 380 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,440 - «Astra» All these stereotypes are endlessly reinforced. 381 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,320 - Lauren, will you accept this rose? 382 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,960 - For me, when I look around, 383 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,840 and I look at American culture, North American culture, 384 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,280 the stuff that strikes me as the most propagandistic, 385 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,400 is actually the most mainstream culture, 386 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,280 it's the films coming out of Hollywood. 387 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,000 You know like, "She's All That." 388 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,480 Home improvement shows, or real estate shows, 389 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,400 like "House Hunters," 390 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,800 these things that present 391 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,440 a sort of idealized, consumeristic mode of life. 392 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,360 - Your grand staircase. 393 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:12,920 How's that make you feel? 394 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,320 - Kind of happy inside. 395 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,200 - The most successful propaganda ever in the world, 396 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,240 has been the propaganda that says, 397 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,240 what you really want is to be rich. 398 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,960 Capitalism creates tremendous envy, 399 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,280 because a lot of people feel extremely deprived, 400 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,560 and resentful, because they're living in a culture 401 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,000 in which it appears as though 402 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,600 1% of the population is enjoying life as it should be lived, 403 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,960 and everybody else is just suffering. 404 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,520 The trouble is, we've been sold 405 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,160 the wrong picture of a good life. 406 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,680 - «Interviewer» What do you see your role to be? 407 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,960 - I see myself as a political guerrilla artist. 408 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,840 What do you call it? 409 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,080 A **** disturber. 410 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,480 I think it's your duty to disturb **** 411 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,080 when you think things are wrong. 412 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,800 I believe something's wrong, and it needs to be changed, 413 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,400 and for some strange reason, the smartest among us, 414 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,000 don't seem to get it. 415 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,840 It's one thing to have an idea, 416 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,720 but what good is the idea if you can't get it out there? 417 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,120 Now, I can have something go from my mind, 418 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:49,880 to like the Drudge Report, or Glenn Beck, or wherever, 419 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,520 Breitbart, and within 24 hours. 420 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,720 (dark electronic music) 421 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,120 I think the Obama Drone series that I did, 422 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:09,800 it's basically a celebrity that drones on and on and on 423 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,200 with the public about their politics. 424 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,360 And I kind of figured Hollywood is like the drone base, 425 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,840 for these celebrities that fly out into the country, 426 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,040 and they spread their message. 427 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,280 And of course at the time, Obama had a drone policy, 428 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,280 to where it's like he actually joked about it. 429 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,440 - I have two words for you, 430 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,240 predator drones. 431 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,160 (audience laughing) 432 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,600 - He won a Nobel Peace Prize. 433 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,480 It's like, for God's sakes. 434 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,080 He dropped a bomb every 20 minutes for eight years. 435 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,760 All these political artists, 436 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,000 what were they doing? 437 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,320 They were falling all over themselves 438 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,000 to get in the galleries, 439 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,760 with their ******* wallpaper. 440 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,600 So it's like, you know what? 441 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,440 You had an opportunity to show 442 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,880 that you really spoke against power. 443 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,440 If there's power out there that was being abused, 444 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,160 it was your job as an artist to speak against it. 445 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,080 I'm a Republican, I've always been a Republican. 446 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,000 I'll probably die one. 447 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,640 Here in LA, here in Hollywood, 448 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,920 you're in the closet, you have to wear a mask. 449 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,840 We're the Zorros, we're the heroes, 450 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,320 we're the black sheep, we're punk rock. 451 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,360 It's like the left isn't, the left is establishment. 452 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,320 Over there, over there, over there. 453 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,360 And the left, they control the school systems, 454 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:29,800 they control Hollywood, they control the music industry. 455 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,800 You name it, they control it. 456 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,560 To which they'll say well, well yeah, 457 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,200 but we have a president that's a Republican, 458 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,520 isn't that the establishment? 459 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,840 No, the establishment is the people 460 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,200 that control the narrative. 461 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:47,400 And that is a cop. 462 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,840 ****, we're ******. 463 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,320 It's really bad when you reach a point in time, 464 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,390 when just telling the truth, is revolutionary. 465 00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:05,430 (uptempo jazz music) 466 00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:10,550 - There are a lot of dangers 467 00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:12,270 to putting work up in public without permission. 468 00:28:12,270 --> 00:28:14,590 I've been arrested 18 times. 469 00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:18,470 (police siren blaring) 470 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:20,030 Being arrested is never fun, 471 00:28:20,030 --> 00:28:24,710 it's especially dangerous for me as a type one diabetic, 472 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:29,190 because often I'm not given my insulin in jail, 473 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:31,430 so it becomes life-threatening. 474 00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:34,990 But, street art is important enough, 475 00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:36,550 for me to take that risk. 476 00:28:38,030 --> 00:28:41,710 It interacts with people where they live their daily lives. 477 00:28:46,150 --> 00:28:47,670 You know what I'm trying to do is, 478 00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:51,430 I'm trying to use the tools that propaganda uses, 479 00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:53,670 and I even call my work, propaganda. 480 00:28:53,670 --> 00:28:55,230 Propaganda has a negative connotation, 481 00:28:55,230 --> 00:28:56,590 but I don't think it has to be negative, 482 00:28:56,590 --> 00:28:58,430 so I'm using the tools of propaganda 483 00:28:58,430 --> 00:29:01,550 in a way that I think is socially responsible. 484 00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:12,230 The Obama Hope poster was like, 485 00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:14,190 lightning in a bottle, perfect storm. 486 00:29:15,670 --> 00:29:20,270 I created the Hope poster as just a grassroots initiative. 487 00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:25,870 But after I made the image, 488 00:29:25,870 --> 00:29:28,150 which originally said, progress, 489 00:29:28,150 --> 00:29:31,750 they found that it caught on very quickly, virally. 490 00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:34,550 - We need (muffled) and we need (muffled). 491 00:29:37,790 --> 00:29:39,630 - The campaign, the Obama campaign, 492 00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:41,590 reached out to me and said, we really like that, 493 00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:45,870 but would you mind using the word hope, or change, 494 00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:49,270 and I liked the word, hope, because I think 495 00:29:49,270 --> 00:29:52,270 during Bush a lot of people felt hopeless, 496 00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:54,870 and without hope people don't act. 497 00:29:58,350 --> 00:30:01,070 The Obama branding was excellent, his logo, 498 00:30:01,070 --> 00:30:02,870 the type choices they made, 499 00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:05,910 but there hadn't been anything with that human connection. 500 00:30:05,910 --> 00:30:09,710 And I'd like to think that beyond just the human connection, 501 00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:12,510 that they way in which I illustrated Obama, 502 00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:16,670 felt patriotic, it portrayed him in a way 503 00:30:16,670 --> 00:30:20,510 that he seemed to have vision, and legitimacy. 504 00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:23,550 His biggest challenge I think was that he was 505 00:30:23,550 --> 00:30:27,830 fairly unknown and unproven in American political life, 506 00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:31,590 so having a two-dimensional sculpture 507 00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:34,830 made of this figure, is a way to legitimize, 508 00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:37,150 and also de-racialize. 509 00:30:37,150 --> 00:30:39,950 That's a big obstacle in the United States, racism. 510 00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:43,310 So illustrating Obama in red, white, and blue, 511 00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:46,830 even though it's not the usual, exact red, white, and blue, 512 00:30:49,790 --> 00:30:53,510 it's American, rather than, African-American. 513 00:30:56,710 --> 00:31:01,110 People are looking back very fondly at that poster, 514 00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:04,110 and it's because they don't want to lose hope. 515 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:11,230 (dark jazz music) 516 00:31:58,070 --> 00:32:01,030 (children chanting) 517 00:32:10,510 --> 00:32:11,990 - «Narrator» Ai Weiwei has been called, 518 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:14,710 the most powerful political artist in the world. 519 00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:19,150 A brave and unrelenting critic 520 00:32:19,150 --> 00:32:21,830 of the Chinese authoritarian regime, 521 00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:23,630 he is now in exile, 522 00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:26,350 and a symbol of the struggle for human rights. 523 00:32:43,150 --> 00:32:45,070 - In totalitarian regimes, 524 00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:46,950 what gets erased often is the idea 525 00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:48,390 about who created the art. 526 00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:52,110 Even propagandistic posters for instance that you have 527 00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:54,190 during the cultural revolution. 528 00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:57,150 These are created by people, by individual people, 529 00:32:57,150 --> 00:32:59,390 but what gets erased is their authorship. 530 00:32:59,390 --> 00:33:01,750 The author becomes the state. 531 00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:06,430 And so, the recognition, 532 00:33:06,430 --> 00:33:09,110 the coming to the fore of the individual itself, 533 00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:11,310 is itself a political act. 534 00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:05,150 - «Woman» You have to wait here, please. 535 00:34:05,150 --> 00:34:08,030 (muffled speaking) 536 00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:45,110 - They were aware of the potential of propaganda, 537 00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:49,630 because they were sensitive to the power of art. 538 00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:50,430 Art moved them, 539 00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:54,350 and they knew it could move other people too. 540 00:35:55,830 --> 00:36:00,430 - Art is a powerful means of tapping into the emotions. 541 00:36:01,590 --> 00:36:03,990 There is something very unifying about it, 542 00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:07,430 and transcendent, the feeling of transcendence 543 00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:10,310 is one of the most powerful emotions we can have, 544 00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:12,670 and it can be very dangerous. 545 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:38,350 (dramatic orchestral music) 546 00:37:55,070 --> 00:37:57,950 - Trump, every picture of him is a revelation, you know. 547 00:37:59,190 --> 00:38:00,950 The sides of his face are interesting, 548 00:38:00,950 --> 00:38:03,150 and the back of his head is fantastic, 549 00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:05,830 and the colors and textures. 550 00:38:05,830 --> 00:38:07,990 There's so much to draw there, you know. 551 00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:09,750 Too bad he is who he is. 552 00:38:14,350 --> 00:38:15,750 I got a lot of these, 553 00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:18,630 but this was when no lawyer would represent him, 554 00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:20,350 so he's in court here getting advice 555 00:38:20,350 --> 00:38:24,390 from his lawyer who is wearing a bag over his head. 556 00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:27,270 Here he is, standing Marilyn-like over a subway grate. 557 00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:29,110 I have no idea what this means. 558 00:38:30,070 --> 00:38:31,310 I've looked at so many pictures. 559 00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:33,310 I slide pictures out of news stories, 560 00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:36,030 and keep a folder, and the folder is very expansive. 561 00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:37,750 I've got a lot of pictures of Trump, 562 00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:40,590 probably 600 pictures of Trump on my desktop. 563 00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:43,390 I mean it's like he's made of rubber, or pudding. 564 00:38:43,390 --> 00:38:46,510 It seems like he's in the process of melting. 565 00:38:46,510 --> 00:38:49,750 Here's a fat joke, here's Trump getting stuck in an MRI, 566 00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:52,030 around the time of his healthcare. 567 00:38:52,030 --> 00:38:55,230 Another healthcare, Trump in traction. 568 00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:59,630 This was just an excuse to draw him, sieg heil, basically. 569 00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:08,070 I'm racked with self-doubt 570 00:39:08,070 --> 00:39:09,710 about what I'm doing half the time, 571 00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:13,510 I am pushing a worldview whether I like it or not, you know. 572 00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:17,270 And cartoonists, there's nothing particularly pure 573 00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:20,030 about what we're doing, I think. 574 00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:21,630 I'm trying for a laugh, basically, 575 00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:26,190 and I will go to depths to get a laugh. 576 00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:26,990 Believe me. 577 00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:35,390 I think Trump would be delighted with some of my drawings, 578 00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:37,830 but I know he didn't like the cover I did, 579 00:39:37,830 --> 00:39:41,230 which was a palm chart of his hand, of his little hand. 580 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:45,750 And I know Graydon Carter, who is one of the architects 581 00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:47,910 of pointing out Trump's small hands. 582 00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:51,510 That seems like propaganda to me, in a way. 583 00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:54,190 That's part of the propaganda of satire, 584 00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:57,070 because Trump, he doesn't really have 585 00:39:57,070 --> 00:39:58,390 incredibly small hands, 586 00:39:58,390 --> 00:40:01,310 maybe they're a tiny bit out of proportion 587 00:40:01,310 --> 00:40:02,630 for the rest of him, 588 00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:03,470 but it's not anything I would have noticed, 589 00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:04,950 it's a great joke. 590 00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:07,790 That's when I feel like a cartoon 591 00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:10,910 is sort of propaganda itself, or it's pushing a certain, 592 00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:14,270 I mean like Napoleon apparently, didn't do this. 593 00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:19,430 Or Gerald Ford apparently was an athletic guy. 594 00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:21,630 He wasn't a bungling fool, 595 00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:25,910 but satirists fix on one tiny thing, 596 00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:27,430 and if enough of them are doing that, 597 00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:29,310 that becomes the way someone is viewed. 598 00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:32,350 That's taking an untruth, 599 00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:37,710 and making it into an iconic image. 600 00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:40,270 Seems like there's an element of propaganda in that. 601 00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:44,590 I'm trying to get a laugh. 602 00:40:44,590 --> 00:40:46,710 If I can do something funny. 603 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:49,110 Going for pure outrage is another thing, 604 00:40:49,110 --> 00:40:52,110 and it's got its place, but it's dangerous. 605 00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:56,510 (guns firing) 606 00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:59,790 (murmured conversation) 607 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,960 - A photograph by definition is a lie. 608 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,920 It's a frozen moment in time. 609 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,560 Come stand in here. 610 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,480 We don't know what happened before, 611 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,120 we don't know what happened after. 612 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,560 And also you are getting that story 613 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,240 through my perception. 614 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,880 But this is the thing, 615 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,760 that's what its job is. 616 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,800 The job of art is to be propaganda, 617 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,120 it's to sell something. 618 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,560 My name's Tyler Shields, 619 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,760 I'm a photographer, a director, a writer, and 620 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,840 a lot of people call me provocateur, I guess. 621 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,840 I think a lot of people thought 622 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,920 that we planned it out for months, and done a whole thing. 623 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,200 She wanted to do something with Trump involved, 624 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,280 and her hair stylist was like, 625 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,960 oh I have a wig, I can fashion a wig 626 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,120 that looks like Trump's hair. 627 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,280 And they had a Trump mask. 628 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,680 And so they showed me the mask 629 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,720 and I was like, this looks terrible. 630 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:47,320 Did you see how it was a fake, like Halloween style, 631 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,320 it was just a fake mask. 632 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,200 And so I was like, okay what can we do with this? 633 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,000 And I said, well if we cover it in blood, it'll hide it. 634 00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:56,800 If I put some blood on it, and then I was like, 635 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,920 oh yeah this works. 636 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,560 It went live on my site, I was asleep. 637 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,360 I wake up, 638 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,560 and it's on TMZ, and it's, 639 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:14,520 everywhere. 640 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,080 I had the FBI, and the Secret Service, all these people, 641 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,120 and then, Kathy started to get this, 642 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,440 ISIS thing, and she had called me and was like, 643 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,000 people are really mad at me. 644 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,400 I don't know what to do. 645 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,600 - I sincerely apologize, 646 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,360 I am just now seeing the reaction of these images. 647 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,000 - When the whole world is saying, you did this, 648 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,440 and you're career's over, 649 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,040 that's scary to anybody. 650 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,120 - I made a mistake, and I was wrong. 651 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,400 - And then the President tweets about it. 652 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,680 And when he tweeted about it, 653 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,920 that took it to a level that I had never seen before, 654 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,680 and that was all orchestrated. 655 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,360 Apparently there was a whole thing 656 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,440 between Fox News and Trump, 657 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,040 to push all the attention to the Kathy thing, 658 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,080 and take all the attention away from the Paris Accord, 659 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,680 and take all the attention away from all these other things. 660 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,040 It did work. 661 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,400 All the attention to everything was on this photo. 662 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,000 It's genius though. 663 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,680 It's misdirection. 664 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,400 It is all propaganda, 665 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,840 it's all to just keep the hamster wheel going. 666 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,920 The more chaos that you can create in the press, 667 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,240 the less anyone's gonna look at what you're doing. 668 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,000 It's the greatest magic trick ever. 669 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,840 Look at this crazy tweet, 670 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,400 while I **** everything up over here. 671 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,600 It's genius. 672 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,320 And never before in history have you really 673 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,920 had the ability to do that. 674 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,360 Obama was the first president that had social media, 675 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,560 of any type, right? 676 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,960 But he never used it the way that it's being used, now. 677 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,560 Now it's weaponized. 678 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,640 Social media has been weaponized. 679 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,200 (slow rock music) 680 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,280 - Facebook is an idealistic and optimistic company, 681 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,720 and has Facebook has grown, 682 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:22,560 people everywhere have gotten a powerful new tool, 683 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,840 for staying connected to the people they love, 684 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,160 for making their voices heard, 685 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,360 and for building communities and businesses. 686 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,720 - Facebook, Twitter, Google, 687 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,240 these massive platforms have always pitched themselves 688 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:36,600 as a level playing field, saying, 689 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,880 everybody come on, share your stuff, 690 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,920 and whatever is the most interesting 691 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,440 and valuable to people will win. 692 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,000 There was always this kind of Utopian element to it. 693 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,680 - It's clear now that we didn't do enough 694 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,720 to prevent these tools from being used for harm as well. 695 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:53,760 - They are not able to manage a platform 696 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,920 that has more than two billion people on it. 697 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,400 - «Narrator» In Myanmar, hate speech on Facebook 698 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,560 has led violent crimes against the Rohingya people. 699 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,360 650,000 of them have had to flee their homes 700 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,760 with their lives. 701 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,520 - You only have to look to countries like Myanmar, 702 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,600 where Facebook, for all intents and purposes, 703 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,400 is actually what people are using as the internet. 704 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,680 And it is an engine for spreading hate speech, 705 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,880 for planning harassment, 706 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,360 and for in some ways enabling genocide. 707 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,160 - The capacity to persuade people, 708 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,840 of blatant untruths, 709 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,960 that capacity seems to have gone up. 710 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,680 People have always tried to manipulate opinion, that's true, 711 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,240 but the capacity to do that, 712 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:07,440 in manufactured huge numbers, 713 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,440 through algorithms and things, is new. 714 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,360 Although propaganda's always sought to hide itself, 715 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,680 its capacity to do that in social media is enhanced. 716 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,920 A lot of confusion has been sown really, 717 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,520 by a lot of the ways in which intellectuals 718 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,720 have talked about truth. 719 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:32,400 There is no such thing as the truth. 720 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,640 That's what undergraduates write essays, 721 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,120 they start, undergraduate, 722 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,360 who've never tried to find out what the truth is, 723 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,720 say, in this Olympian way, 724 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,040 there are many truths. 725 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,040 There's been a philosophical and sociological 726 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:51,000 undermining of the fact that trying to establish reality, 727 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,400 is a very fierce discipline. 728 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,800 - «Narrator» Perhaps we should regard the lessons 729 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,120 of human history as a cautionary tale, 730 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,680 and try to veer away from the horrors of our past. 731 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,040 But is it actually possible to take the icons of history, 732 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,000 and infuse them with new meaning? 733 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,600 (engines roaring) 734 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,600 - «Narrator» We are a highly social species. 735 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,880 We have retained our tribal instincts, 736 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,360 and have a deep need for belonging, 737 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,040 that is firmly rooted in our evolution. 738 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,720 Since our earliest existence, 739 00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,880 our inclination to imagine collective fictions 740 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,600 has allowed great civilizations to rise, 741 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,680 and for humanity to flourish. 742 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,200 But we must also constantly examine these narratives, 743 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,720 with disciplined reason, and skepticism. 744 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,200 We must strive to reclaim history where it has been erased, 745 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,880 to stand firm against authoritarianism, 746 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,360 to combat demagogues with an arsenal of humor and wit. 747 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,440 We must all be aware of our own emotions, 748 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,160 and how they can be maliciously, 749 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,000 and manipulatively exploited. 750 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,680 There are no easy answers, 751 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,160 there is only personal responsibility. 752 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,720 - In a democracy, it matters what people think. 753 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:08,280 Therefore, you're always gonna have wars of persuasion. 754 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,520 You're always gonna have battles 755 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,920 over the hearts and minds of the citizenry. 756 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,960 That's what it means to engage in 757 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,840 self-government as a society. 758 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,720 - Decisions have to be rationalized, 759 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,240 decisions have to be explained. 760 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,520 Propaganda could be good or bad. 761 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,880 It could be a warning on the cigarette packet, 762 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,880 or it could be, "Triumph of the Will." 763 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,200 Maybe we should just understand it more. 764 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,760 - I think everybody has to take real responsibility 765 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,200 to live a much more uncomfortable, awkward life, 766 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,880 testing themselves, because that it really matters. 767 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,720 - Anything that satisfies or reassures, 768 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:53,840 is gonna be very compelling, 769 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,000 and I think in a way, 770 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,800 it's as though the commodity here is hope. 771 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,560 And you can either poison people with false hopes, 772 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:01,720 or you can inspire them. 773 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,960 What's being sold though, is a better future. 774 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,680 (dramatic orchestral music) 775 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,240 Subtitles by Broadcast Intelligence Ltd 60455

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