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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,933 --> 00:00:19,728 Jamie Dimon: Every day, you know, you have nonstop Bitcoin. 2 00:00:19,728 --> 00:00:21,730 Who cares about Bitcoin? 3 00:00:25,025 --> 00:00:26,943 I could care less what Bitcoin trades for, 4 00:00:26,943 --> 00:00:29,320 how it trades, why it trades, who trades it. 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,447 If you're stupid enough to buy, 6 00:00:30,447 --> 00:00:32,323 you'll pay the price for it one day. 7 00:00:34,826 --> 00:00:37,037 YouTuber: Bitcoin is a fucking scam. 8 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:38,788 Donald Trump Bitcoin seems like a scam. 9 00:00:38,788 --> 00:00:41,750 - Magical internet money. - It has no intrinsic value. 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,004 Bitcoin is worthless. 11 00:00:46,004 --> 00:00:48,757 - What makes it valuable? - Totally BS. 12 00:00:48,757 --> 00:00:50,050 Bitcoin is a dead end. 13 00:00:52,218 --> 00:00:54,346 Brian Kelly: Bitcoin's dead again! 14 00:00:54,346 --> 00:00:56,014 It's a combination of a bubble, a Ponzi scheme, 15 00:00:56,014 --> 00:00:57,098 and an economic disaster. 16 00:00:57,098 --> 00:00:58,850 Whatever it's doing, it's not money. 17 00:00:58,850 --> 00:01:01,644 Whatever Bitcoin is, it is not money. 18 00:01:04,314 --> 00:01:07,484 Bitcoin is simply gonna implode before you know it. 19 00:01:07,484 --> 00:01:09,652 Today, we're having a funeral for Bitcoin. 20 00:01:09,652 --> 00:01:12,322 Cullen Hoback: Despite all the doomsday prophecies, 21 00:01:12,322 --> 00:01:15,283 just 15 years after launch, Bitcoin had become 22 00:01:15,283 --> 00:01:17,786 the 10th most valuable asset in the world, 23 00:01:17,786 --> 00:01:21,164 outperforming Wall Street by a massive margin. 24 00:01:21,164 --> 00:01:23,291 One of the biggest unanswered questions 25 00:01:23,291 --> 00:01:26,211 surrounding Bitcoin is who invented it. 26 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:27,796 Andy Court: When you ask about the creator, 27 00:01:27,796 --> 00:01:29,506 who created this, we have no idea. 28 00:01:29,506 --> 00:01:32,676 There's these things called nerds. 29 00:01:32,676 --> 00:01:34,010 And in 2008, 30 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:36,638 one of them made up Bitcoin out of thin air, 31 00:01:36,638 --> 00:01:39,516 using the fake name Satoshi Nakamoto. 32 00:01:39,516 --> 00:01:40,642 Satoshi Nakamoto. 33 00:01:40,642 --> 00:01:42,018 - Satoshi-- - Nakamoto. 34 00:01:42,018 --> 00:01:44,354 Which, I think, are the Japanese words 35 00:01:44,354 --> 00:01:46,189 for Monopoly money. 36 00:01:46,189 --> 00:01:48,024 Satoshi Nakamoto, 37 00:01:48,024 --> 00:01:50,318 the inventor of said Monopoly money, 38 00:01:50,318 --> 00:01:53,863 was now presumably one of the richest people on Earth. 39 00:01:53,863 --> 00:01:56,199 speaker: We are all Satoshi! 40 00:01:58,201 --> 00:02:01,663 This anonymous character had developed quite a following. 41 00:02:01,663 --> 00:02:04,165 And if all these pundits kept being wrong, 42 00:02:04,165 --> 00:02:06,251 and Bitcoin kept going up, 43 00:02:06,251 --> 00:02:08,044 then Satoshi could be worth 44 00:02:08,044 --> 00:02:10,088 more than a trillion dollars. 45 00:02:10,088 --> 00:02:12,007 With a "T." 46 00:02:12,007 --> 00:02:13,258 And that's because Satoshi controlled 47 00:02:13,258 --> 00:02:15,385 a shit-ton of Bitcoin. 48 00:02:15,385 --> 00:02:17,762 Enough to break the system. 49 00:02:17,762 --> 00:02:21,224 But, many years ago, Satoshi had disappeared 50 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:23,226 without spending any of it. 51 00:02:23,226 --> 00:02:24,394 What would happen 52 00:02:24,394 --> 00:02:26,896 if Satoshi just reemerged one day 53 00:02:26,896 --> 00:02:28,231 to cash in? 54 00:02:28,231 --> 00:02:30,942 They'd be like king of the world. 55 00:02:30,942 --> 00:02:32,277 Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? 56 00:02:32,277 --> 00:02:34,404 Who do you think he really is? 57 00:02:34,404 --> 00:02:36,406 Simply put, Satoshi's identity 58 00:02:36,406 --> 00:02:38,033 has remained the greatest mystery 59 00:02:38,033 --> 00:02:39,659 of the Internet Age. 60 00:02:39,659 --> 00:02:42,495 No one knows who they are, even though a lot of people 61 00:02:42,495 --> 00:02:43,913 have tried to figure this out. 62 00:02:43,913 --> 00:02:46,624 YouTuber: Tonight's plan? To reveal the identity 63 00:02:46,624 --> 00:02:48,668 of Satoshi Nakamoto, 64 00:02:48,668 --> 00:02:51,129 creator of Bitcoin. 65 00:02:51,129 --> 00:02:53,631 Is he no longer here? Is he amongst us? 66 00:02:54,924 --> 00:02:57,635 Well, someone probably knew. 67 00:02:57,635 --> 00:02:59,179 Like maybe this guy... 68 00:02:59,179 --> 00:03:01,473 It's too high risk for Satoshi to come back. 69 00:03:01,473 --> 00:03:03,808 ...who you'll get to know soon enough. 70 00:03:03,808 --> 00:03:05,602 It's way too high risk. 71 00:03:05,602 --> 00:03:07,187 What's risky about it? 72 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:10,106 Well, you get implicated as Satoshi. 73 00:03:10,106 --> 00:03:12,776 And then, every country in the world 74 00:03:12,776 --> 00:03:14,361 is gonna wanna go after you. 75 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:17,113 Or people are gonna go after you to steal it. 76 00:03:17,113 --> 00:03:18,239 But, why does, like, a murderer 77 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:19,616 go back to the scene of the crime? 78 00:03:19,908 --> 00:03:22,452 Satoshi's doing nothing to pick up his stash. 79 00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:24,829 Yeah, just a million Bitcoin. 80 00:03:24,829 --> 00:03:26,790 And that's why he went to such great lengths 81 00:03:26,790 --> 00:03:29,793 to conceal his identity. 82 00:03:29,793 --> 00:03:31,461 He thought of everything. 83 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:34,339 Well, not everything. 84 00:04:07,789 --> 00:04:10,083 - Cash. - customer: That should be 1,000. 85 00:04:10,083 --> 00:04:11,793 How often do you pay with it? 86 00:04:11,793 --> 00:04:13,503 customer: Such nice guns! 87 00:04:13,503 --> 00:04:16,506 You probably use your card for just about everything. 88 00:04:16,506 --> 00:04:20,176 Denied, denied... approved. 89 00:04:20,176 --> 00:04:21,803 But the cool thing about cash, 90 00:04:21,803 --> 00:04:23,680 you hand over your money, 91 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,682 you get a thing, 92 00:04:25,682 --> 00:04:28,643 and no bank, credit card company, government agency, 93 00:04:28,643 --> 00:04:30,603 data broker, social media advertiser 94 00:04:30,603 --> 00:04:33,440 gets to know about your hobbies. 95 00:04:34,607 --> 00:04:36,192 But, it seemed like we were maybe on our way 96 00:04:36,192 --> 00:04:38,570 to getting rid of cash entirely. 97 00:04:38,570 --> 00:04:41,239 As the world transitions into a cashless society... 98 00:04:41,239 --> 00:04:43,033 speaker: "We've gone cashless." 99 00:04:43,033 --> 00:04:46,661 No one wants to carry around cash anymore. That's already-- Cash is gone. 100 00:04:46,661 --> 00:04:48,705 In fact, there are quite a few things about the dollar 101 00:04:48,705 --> 00:04:51,374 that were just outdated because these dudes 102 00:04:51,374 --> 00:04:53,585 didn't have iPhones. 103 00:04:53,585 --> 00:04:55,337 But, if you were to start from scratch, 104 00:04:55,337 --> 00:04:58,048 how would you make cash for the digital age? 105 00:04:59,758 --> 00:05:00,884 It was 2017 106 00:05:00,884 --> 00:05:03,845 when I really started paying attention to Bitcoin. 107 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:05,388 And as a filmmaker 108 00:05:05,388 --> 00:05:07,515 who was concerned with online surveillance... 109 00:05:07,515 --> 00:05:08,850 Everything moved into ones and zeros, 110 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:10,769 and ones and zeros can be tracked and traced. 111 00:05:10,769 --> 00:05:12,228 ...the idea that Bitcoin 112 00:05:12,228 --> 00:05:15,565 was supposed to protect your privacy was pretty appealing. 113 00:05:16,107 --> 00:05:18,109 It was trying to be money for the internet. 114 00:05:19,903 --> 00:05:21,237 And it had a few features 115 00:05:21,237 --> 00:05:23,531 that the current financial system just didn't. 116 00:05:23,531 --> 00:05:24,783 announcer: Fight! 117 00:05:24,949 --> 00:05:27,494 No single person or group controlled it, 118 00:05:27,494 --> 00:05:29,621 it was basically impossible to shut down, 119 00:05:29,621 --> 00:05:31,122 it was scarce. 120 00:05:31,122 --> 00:05:34,000 Anyone with an internet connection could access it. 121 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,252 You are personally responsible for it. 122 00:05:36,252 --> 00:05:38,088 And it was super secure 123 00:05:38,088 --> 00:05:40,006 unless you made a mistake. 124 00:05:40,548 --> 00:05:42,926 And it was distributed through something called 125 00:05:42,926 --> 00:05:44,427 "Bitcoin mining," 126 00:05:44,427 --> 00:05:46,054 which I tried. 127 00:05:46,805 --> 00:05:49,349 Even if you don't usually pay attention to Bitcoin... 128 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:51,101 ...you might have still heard about it. 129 00:05:51,101 --> 00:05:54,145 Miners using powerful computers 130 00:05:54,145 --> 00:05:56,439 to guess a random string of numbers 131 00:05:56,439 --> 00:05:58,900 and win a Bitcoin reward. 132 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:01,277 It's how new Bitcoins enter the system. 133 00:06:01,277 --> 00:06:02,737 This fancy computing rig, 134 00:06:02,737 --> 00:06:04,864 it's like a ticket to the Bitcoin lottery. 135 00:06:04,864 --> 00:06:06,574 You said 1,600 Watts? 136 00:06:06,574 --> 00:06:09,035 It takes a lot of electricity. 137 00:06:09,035 --> 00:06:11,705 And if your mining rig is the first in the entire world 138 00:06:11,705 --> 00:06:13,832 to find the computational equivalent 139 00:06:13,832 --> 00:06:14,958 of a golden ticket... 140 00:06:14,958 --> 00:06:17,419 I got it, Mr. Salt! Here it is! 141 00:06:17,419 --> 00:06:19,671 ...you win some freshly minted Bitcoin. 142 00:06:19,671 --> 00:06:21,631 That means that some people are gonna lose a lot of money. 143 00:06:21,631 --> 00:06:23,091 - Probably. - Oh yeah. 144 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:25,552 And every 10 minutes, you get another shot. 145 00:06:25,552 --> 00:06:27,178 It was the modern gold rush 146 00:06:27,178 --> 00:06:29,514 from the comfort of your living room. 147 00:06:29,514 --> 00:06:31,933 But, my miner wasn't so lucky. 148 00:06:31,933 --> 00:06:34,394 So, instead of winning a down payment for a house, 149 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:37,480 I just ended up with a large electricity bill. 150 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,816 Eh, fuck. 151 00:06:39,816 --> 00:06:41,693 And the occasional power outage. 152 00:06:41,693 --> 00:06:43,987 I don't think this is gonna work. 153 00:06:43,987 --> 00:06:46,823 Meaning I'd have to go get my Bitcoin on an exchange, 154 00:06:46,823 --> 00:06:48,992 kinda like how you buy stocks. 155 00:06:48,992 --> 00:06:49,993 And like stocks, 156 00:06:49,993 --> 00:06:51,995 people kinda hope that this digital asset 157 00:06:51,995 --> 00:06:53,872 is gonna make them rich. 158 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:56,833 Which, let's be honest, was the real draw. 159 00:06:58,710 --> 00:07:00,837 It was fueled by an online culture 160 00:07:00,837 --> 00:07:02,922 that was invested in seeing Bitcoin win. 161 00:07:02,922 --> 00:07:06,301 You're supposed to buy the dip. Buy Bitcoin. 162 00:07:06,301 --> 00:07:09,679 Designed to pull people away from a financial system 163 00:07:09,679 --> 00:07:12,057 that seemed like it was stacked against the average person. 164 00:07:12,057 --> 00:07:13,433 If you win all three rats, 165 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:15,769 - and they come in one-two-three, you win everything. - Oh, my God. 166 00:07:15,769 --> 00:07:17,187 Drew Carey: But, you have to win some rats. 167 00:07:17,187 --> 00:07:19,397 And Bitcoin provided this glimmer of hope 168 00:07:19,397 --> 00:07:21,399 that you might get out of the rat race. 169 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:24,527 Look at them go! Oh, man, you're gonna have a car. 170 00:07:25,820 --> 00:07:28,656 Asking you to put your faith in math 171 00:07:28,656 --> 00:07:30,033 instead of the government. 172 00:07:30,033 --> 00:07:31,993 - I don't know what I said, ah! - We finally beat Medicare. 173 00:07:31,993 --> 00:07:34,704 So, maybe that's why in 2021, 174 00:07:34,704 --> 00:07:37,332 an entire country adopted Bitcoin. 175 00:07:37,332 --> 00:07:39,334 Because the current financial system 176 00:07:39,334 --> 00:07:41,503 was also stacked against them. 177 00:07:46,591 --> 00:07:48,718 This is El Salvador, a Latin American nation 178 00:07:48,718 --> 00:07:51,429 plagued with a history of gang violence, 179 00:07:51,429 --> 00:07:53,723 corruption, and civil war. 180 00:07:53,723 --> 00:07:55,642 For more than 20 years, they had resorted 181 00:07:55,642 --> 00:07:58,895 to using the US dollar as their official currency, 182 00:07:58,895 --> 00:08:00,897 adding to why the president's announcement 183 00:08:00,897 --> 00:08:02,482 sent shock waves around the world. 184 00:08:04,526 --> 00:08:05,902 Nayib Bukele: Where are the Bitcoiners? 185 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:09,072 He planned to tie the country's future to Bitcoin. 186 00:08:09,072 --> 00:08:11,574 For starters, they bought a bunch of it using... 187 00:08:11,574 --> 00:08:14,244 reporter: 105 million taxpayer dollars. 188 00:08:14,244 --> 00:08:16,496 Then, the country began accepting Bitcoin 189 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:18,540 as legal tender. 190 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:21,543 Suddenly, Bitcoin could be used alongside the dollar 191 00:08:21,543 --> 00:08:24,087 to pay for things like breakfast, real estate, 192 00:08:24,087 --> 00:08:26,006 or even taxes. 193 00:08:26,548 --> 00:08:28,341 At least, that was the idea. 194 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:31,970 We announced that El Salvador was making Bitcoin legal tender. 195 00:08:34,681 --> 00:08:36,891 We had some protests, did you see those? 196 00:08:36,891 --> 00:08:39,310 They started with misinformation to the people, 197 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:40,562 telling them Bitcoin was bad, 198 00:08:40,562 --> 00:08:42,480 and, you know, you shouldn't use that currency 199 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,357 because it's invisible. You cannot see it! 200 00:08:44,357 --> 00:08:46,776 Yeah, exactly. 201 00:08:46,776 --> 00:08:48,611 They are all full of bullshit. 202 00:08:48,611 --> 00:08:50,238 The president was betting 203 00:08:50,238 --> 00:08:52,949 that other countries would want in on the game, 204 00:08:52,949 --> 00:08:56,244 would reject the hegemony of the US dollar. 205 00:08:56,244 --> 00:08:57,495 Who was behind this effort? 206 00:08:57,996 --> 00:09:01,708 So, we talked with my friend Samson. Where is he? 207 00:09:01,708 --> 00:09:03,585 Samson? 208 00:09:03,585 --> 00:09:05,962 So, this is going to make El Salvador 209 00:09:05,962 --> 00:09:08,006 the financial center of the world. 210 00:09:08,006 --> 00:09:12,218 This is the beginning of, uh, nation-state Bitcoin FOMO. 211 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:14,137 Do you guys like that? 212 00:09:15,805 --> 00:09:17,557 The guy on stage with the president 213 00:09:17,557 --> 00:09:19,351 clearly had something to do with it. 214 00:09:19,601 --> 00:09:21,144 So, I reached out. 215 00:09:21,144 --> 00:09:24,147 - Hello, we're going on a helicopter. - speaker: That's right. Hello. 216 00:09:24,147 --> 00:09:27,025 Samson worked for a company that was trying to expand 217 00:09:27,025 --> 00:09:28,860 Bitcoin's reach around the globe. 218 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:30,695 He considered himself a kind of 219 00:09:30,695 --> 00:09:33,198 diplomatic ambassador for Bitcoin. 220 00:09:33,656 --> 00:09:35,784 And the president was treating him like one. 221 00:09:35,784 --> 00:09:38,787 Samson was busy 222 00:09:38,787 --> 00:09:40,580 trying to convince Mexico's third richest man, 223 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:43,124 known as Uncle Richi, 224 00:09:43,124 --> 00:09:44,626 to use his power plant to mine Bitcoin. 225 00:09:44,626 --> 00:09:47,003 Because, you know, 226 00:09:47,003 --> 00:09:49,756 who wants to just be third richest? 227 00:10:06,022 --> 00:10:08,900 Like myself, investors also had questions 228 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:12,404 when it came to Satoshi, Bitcoin's anonymous creator. 229 00:10:13,029 --> 00:10:17,033 It was the elephant in the helicopter, so to speak. 230 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:28,336 - They're gone. - They're gone. 231 00:10:52,193 --> 00:10:53,236 Yep. 232 00:10:55,113 --> 00:10:56,948 Just before the launch of Bitcoin, 233 00:10:56,948 --> 00:11:00,577 there was a digital currency backed by actual gold, 234 00:11:00,577 --> 00:11:03,246 which was reportedly processing $2 billion 235 00:11:03,246 --> 00:11:05,165 in transactions every year. 236 00:11:05,165 --> 00:11:07,083 E-gold is a currency 237 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,252 that's currently pretty popularized 238 00:11:09,252 --> 00:11:10,837 with a lot of online users. 239 00:11:11,087 --> 00:11:14,007 They promised that e-gold would be here this year, 240 00:11:14,007 --> 00:11:16,676 next year, 1,000 years from now. 241 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:18,178 But, it seems the US government 242 00:11:18,178 --> 00:11:20,638 didn't give a shit what their website said. 243 00:11:20,638 --> 00:11:23,683 They arrested its creator and shut it down. 244 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:24,809 The takeaway? 245 00:11:25,018 --> 00:11:27,062 If you're going to create a digital currency 246 00:11:27,062 --> 00:11:29,105 that will compete with the US dollar, 247 00:11:29,105 --> 00:11:30,815 you might wanna be really careful 248 00:11:30,815 --> 00:11:33,818 about letting people know who you are. 249 00:11:33,818 --> 00:11:36,529 And because Satoshi disappeared and never cashed out, 250 00:11:36,529 --> 00:11:39,616 I figured maybe their identity should stay a secret. 251 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:41,868 After all, 252 00:11:41,868 --> 00:11:43,703 it's not like they had some master plan for Bitcoin 253 00:11:43,703 --> 00:11:46,456 to replace the US dollar and render them 254 00:11:46,456 --> 00:11:48,917 the richest person on Earth. Right? 255 00:11:50,293 --> 00:11:52,587 Satoshi understood the game theory of it all. 256 00:11:52,587 --> 00:11:55,465 If Bitcoin was successful, 257 00:11:56,508 --> 00:11:57,842 they'd go after him. 258 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:08,103 I don't think he would've created this gift for the world 259 00:12:08,103 --> 00:12:11,106 just to keep it as a threat over the future. 260 00:12:11,106 --> 00:12:14,734 He was more thinking for the good of humanity. 261 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:17,404 Money is very broken. 262 00:12:17,404 --> 00:12:21,157 It's just a house of cards built on top of more houses of cards 263 00:12:21,157 --> 00:12:22,784 on more houses of cards. 264 00:12:22,784 --> 00:12:24,494 It's all gonna come crashing down. 265 00:12:24,494 --> 00:12:28,707 And when it does, that's when hyperbitcoinization kicks in. 266 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,502 Samson Mow: Hyperbitcoinization is just, 267 00:12:32,502 --> 00:12:35,171 you can earn Bitcoin, spend Bitcoin, 268 00:12:35,171 --> 00:12:39,384 save in Bitcoin, and the dollar is irrelevant. 269 00:12:40,468 --> 00:12:41,970 There are a handful of countries 270 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:44,389 that had printed their way into hyperinflation, 271 00:12:44,597 --> 00:12:48,184 where money becomes worth less than the paper it's printed on. 272 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:51,229 But, that could never happen to the US dollar. 273 00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:53,606 Could it? 274 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:57,777 reporter 1: Lehman Brothers is going bankrupt. 275 00:12:57,777 --> 00:12:59,696 reporter 2: Customers are freaked out, 276 00:12:59,696 --> 00:13:01,364 waiting to see how low the Dow will go. 277 00:13:01,364 --> 00:13:04,034 Back in 2008, the world came really close 278 00:13:04,034 --> 00:13:06,536 to figuring out that our entire economic system 279 00:13:06,536 --> 00:13:09,247 was held together with chewing gum and duct tape. 280 00:13:09,247 --> 00:13:11,207 reporter: The President's plan would allow the Treasury 281 00:13:11,207 --> 00:13:15,128 to buy up to $700 billion worth of bad loans. 282 00:13:15,128 --> 00:13:18,131 Trust in financial institutions was hard to find. 283 00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:21,468 I know Americans are concerned about the adjustments. 284 00:13:21,468 --> 00:13:24,012 The only business that seemed to be booming 285 00:13:24,012 --> 00:13:27,557 involved taking pictures of depressed stockbrokers. 286 00:13:27,557 --> 00:13:30,852 It was during this fiasco that a mysterious programmer, 287 00:13:30,852 --> 00:13:33,605 calling themselves Satoshi Nakamoto, 288 00:13:33,605 --> 00:13:35,106 conceived of Bitcoin, 289 00:13:35,106 --> 00:13:37,901 an electronic cash system. 290 00:13:37,901 --> 00:13:41,446 And it was all set in motion on January 3, 2009... 291 00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:45,533 when the first Bitcoin block was born. 292 00:13:45,533 --> 00:13:47,869 It's called the Genesis Block. 293 00:13:47,869 --> 00:13:51,414 And a new block is formed about every 10 minutes, 294 00:13:51,414 --> 00:13:54,876 adding to the record of all the Bitcoin transactions. 295 00:13:54,876 --> 00:13:56,836 It's called a blockchain. 296 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:59,923 It's like an indestructible mathematical safe, 297 00:13:59,923 --> 00:14:02,467 one that keeps track of who owns what. 298 00:14:03,134 --> 00:14:05,595 And if you want to unlock your Bitcoin, 299 00:14:05,595 --> 00:14:07,889 it'll require your secret key, 300 00:14:07,889 --> 00:14:10,558 which is basically just a fancy password. 301 00:14:10,558 --> 00:14:14,229 Bitcoin now has hundreds of thousands of blocks. 302 00:14:14,229 --> 00:14:18,024 But, in the Genesis Block, Satoshi hid a message. 303 00:14:18,024 --> 00:14:21,152 "Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks." 304 00:14:21,695 --> 00:14:24,447 Referencing a headline that had appeared in the London "Times" 305 00:14:24,447 --> 00:14:26,157 that same morning. 306 00:14:26,825 --> 00:14:28,326 It was a subtle declaration of war 307 00:14:28,326 --> 00:14:30,286 against the world's financial powers, 308 00:14:30,286 --> 00:14:32,956 which had just printed more than a trillion dollars 309 00:14:32,956 --> 00:14:35,959 to satisfy the recklessness of the big banks. 310 00:14:35,959 --> 00:14:37,669 In apparent opposition, 311 00:14:38,086 --> 00:14:40,714 Satoshi designed Bitcoin with a limited supply. 312 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:43,299 No one could just print more of it. 313 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:46,511 Only 21 million total could ever be mined. 314 00:14:46,511 --> 00:14:49,848 It was programmed so that the miners would receive 315 00:14:49,848 --> 00:14:51,808 less and less over time. 316 00:14:51,808 --> 00:14:53,309 Until 2140, 317 00:14:53,309 --> 00:14:56,604 when the digital mine basically runs out, 318 00:14:56,604 --> 00:14:57,981 with Satoshi writing, 319 00:14:57,981 --> 00:15:00,859 "It's very attractive to the libertarian viewpoint, 320 00:15:00,859 --> 00:15:02,485 "if we can explain it properly. 321 00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:05,530 I'm better with code than with words though." 322 00:15:05,530 --> 00:15:07,782 You know, for Bitcoiners who actually might know 323 00:15:07,782 --> 00:15:09,075 who Satoshi is, if they do, 324 00:15:09,075 --> 00:15:11,703 do you think that they would keep that secret? 325 00:15:13,705 --> 00:15:15,999 Well, I would keep the secret. 326 00:15:15,999 --> 00:15:18,168 Adam Back would keep the secret. 327 00:15:18,168 --> 00:15:21,171 Samson's boss is a cryptographer 328 00:15:21,171 --> 00:15:24,799 named Adam Back which jumped out at me 329 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:26,092 because Adam Back 330 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:28,803 has a pretty important connection to Satoshi. 331 00:15:28,803 --> 00:15:31,222 He was believed to be the first person 332 00:15:31,222 --> 00:15:33,641 Satoshi ever reached out to. 333 00:15:33,641 --> 00:15:36,811 People have pushed Adam to release the Satoshi emails 334 00:15:36,811 --> 00:15:38,688 that Satoshi sent to him. 335 00:15:38,688 --> 00:15:41,232 But, Adam is a very upstanding guy. 336 00:15:41,232 --> 00:15:44,361 His line of thinking is that is a private conversation. 337 00:15:44,361 --> 00:15:46,112 So, he's never released those emails. 338 00:15:46,112 --> 00:15:48,406 I've seen them, and, you know, 339 00:15:49,324 --> 00:15:50,408 they're real. 340 00:15:51,076 --> 00:15:53,703 Adam's company is called Blockstream. 341 00:15:53,703 --> 00:15:56,414 They were largely behind this effort in El Salvador. 342 00:15:56,414 --> 00:15:58,124 And now, they were looking to help 343 00:15:58,124 --> 00:16:00,043 more countries adopt Bitcoin. 344 00:16:00,043 --> 00:16:01,920 Which brings Bitcoin closer 345 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,172 to becoming the new global standard. 346 00:16:04,172 --> 00:16:06,758 Which, in turn, could make Satoshi 347 00:16:06,758 --> 00:16:09,135 the richest person on Earth. 348 00:16:09,135 --> 00:16:10,637 It might make you wonder 349 00:16:10,637 --> 00:16:12,597 if Satoshi had any relationship to Blockstream, 350 00:16:13,390 --> 00:16:16,184 assuming Satoshi was still alive. 351 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:20,188 So, I asked Samson if he could connect me with Adam Back. 352 00:16:20,188 --> 00:16:23,149 - Adam, is your mic on? Can you hear me? - Just wait a minute... 353 00:16:23,149 --> 00:16:24,776 Okay, should be good. 354 00:16:25,777 --> 00:16:27,987 I had, you know, a brief interaction, 355 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:31,241 email interaction, with Satoshi in 2008. 356 00:16:31,241 --> 00:16:33,410 And-And, like, what happened? We don't know. 357 00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:35,912 I mean, is he alive or not? I don't know. Um... 358 00:16:36,371 --> 00:16:37,914 Did he just choose a different pseudonym? 359 00:16:37,914 --> 00:16:39,249 Is he-- he still active? 360 00:16:39,249 --> 00:16:40,667 We don't know that either, I'd say. 361 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:44,421 Satoshi's wallet, there's this huge sort of chest 362 00:16:44,421 --> 00:16:45,463 that hasn't been tapped. 363 00:16:45,463 --> 00:16:47,674 It seems almost like a, you know, a Bible story, 364 00:16:47,674 --> 00:16:49,300 where nobody really knows quite what happened 365 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:50,802 because it was so many years ago. 366 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:54,305 It's hard to be definitive, I guess is my point. 367 00:16:55,098 --> 00:16:57,183 Hoback So, Adam, are you planning any trips 368 00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:58,768 to El Salvador anytime soon? 369 00:16:58,768 --> 00:17:01,187 Adam Back: I haven't really been traveling that much lately. 370 00:17:01,187 --> 00:17:03,106 Usually in Malta, actually. 371 00:17:03,106 --> 00:17:06,818 We should start with just an interview with you in Malta. 372 00:17:06,818 --> 00:17:08,153 Um... 373 00:17:09,446 --> 00:17:12,282 If that sounds... if that sounds good to you. 374 00:17:13,324 --> 00:17:14,659 Okay. 375 00:17:17,454 --> 00:17:19,164 When Adam moved to Malta, 376 00:17:19,164 --> 00:17:21,249 Bitcoin was just getting started. 377 00:17:21,249 --> 00:17:22,584 It had no value yet. 378 00:17:22,584 --> 00:17:24,961 So, perhaps it's just a coincidence 379 00:17:24,961 --> 00:17:27,797 that Malta is considered a tax haven. 380 00:17:28,798 --> 00:17:30,508 So, how'd you end up in Malta? 381 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,261 Adam Back: Um, so, in 2009, 382 00:17:33,261 --> 00:17:35,180 I was working for a startup. 383 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:37,098 I was thinking as a remote worker, 384 00:17:37,098 --> 00:17:38,308 I would try something adventurous, 385 00:17:38,308 --> 00:17:40,435 find somewhere interesting to live. 386 00:17:41,019 --> 00:17:43,646 The cryptography behind Bitcoin 387 00:17:43,646 --> 00:17:45,482 is what makes it secure. 388 00:17:45,482 --> 00:17:47,776 It's the "crypto" in cryptocurrency. 389 00:17:47,776 --> 00:17:51,154 And cryptographers, they're like the math wizards 390 00:17:51,154 --> 00:17:54,157 who are skilled at making digital locks. 391 00:17:54,157 --> 00:17:55,658 And to create Bitcoin, 392 00:17:55,658 --> 00:17:57,827 Satoshi referenced ideas from a few of them. 393 00:17:57,827 --> 00:18:00,914 In particular, something that Adam Back had invented, 394 00:18:00,914 --> 00:18:02,290 called Hashcash. 395 00:18:02,582 --> 00:18:06,336 And he dreamed this up 12 years before the creation of Bitcoin. 396 00:18:06,961 --> 00:18:10,590 Were you the first person that Satoshi reached out to? 397 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:11,758 I believe so, yeah. 398 00:18:11,758 --> 00:18:13,510 He just sent an email, um, 399 00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:16,054 saying that he's about to publish, um, a paper... 400 00:18:16,513 --> 00:18:19,849 What would become Satoshi's famous white paper. 401 00:18:20,392 --> 00:18:24,229 ...and wants to know the correct way to cite Hashcash. 402 00:18:26,856 --> 00:18:30,568 Did you ever release the emails that you had with Satoshi? 403 00:18:31,611 --> 00:18:34,155 - No. - Was that to protect privacy 404 00:18:34,155 --> 00:18:36,074 'cause they were private emails or what was the reason? 405 00:18:36,074 --> 00:18:37,492 Yeah, kind of convention-- 406 00:18:37,492 --> 00:18:40,537 I mean, convention, so-called "netiquette," 407 00:18:40,537 --> 00:18:42,914 which was a popular term back then, was that 408 00:18:42,914 --> 00:18:45,458 you would not post somebody's emails without permission. 409 00:18:45,458 --> 00:18:47,377 Like, nobody knows how to reach this guy at this point, 410 00:18:47,377 --> 00:18:48,837 so I can't ask, you know? 411 00:18:48,962 --> 00:18:51,214 But, we can look into the group of people 412 00:18:51,214 --> 00:18:54,718 Satoshi relied on for inspiration and support. 413 00:18:54,718 --> 00:18:56,553 Namely, the cypherpunks. 414 00:18:59,514 --> 00:19:01,516 Back in the day, there was a lot of hope 415 00:19:01,516 --> 00:19:03,268 that this thing called the internet 416 00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:05,937 was going to usher in an era of newfound freedom. 417 00:19:05,937 --> 00:19:08,898 BBC speaker: Imagine a world where every word ever written 418 00:19:08,898 --> 00:19:10,942 could be viewed instantly in your home 419 00:19:10,942 --> 00:19:13,153 via an information superhighway. 420 00:19:13,153 --> 00:19:15,405 But, only a few predicted 421 00:19:15,405 --> 00:19:18,033 the surveillance hellscape that lay ahead. 422 00:19:18,033 --> 00:19:21,244 And they could be found on the Cypherpunk Mailing List. 423 00:19:21,244 --> 00:19:24,539 Every cryptographer worth their salt was on it. 424 00:19:24,539 --> 00:19:26,458 Cypherpunks are cryptography activists 425 00:19:26,458 --> 00:19:29,210 who believe in personal privacy for everybody. 426 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:31,504 Which meant in a digital world, 427 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:34,382 you would need some way to secure your communications. 428 00:19:34,382 --> 00:19:36,551 In the physical world, you had a good degree of privacy. 429 00:19:36,551 --> 00:19:38,261 In the online realm, in principle, 430 00:19:38,261 --> 00:19:39,596 you should enjoy the same rights. 431 00:19:39,596 --> 00:19:41,348 I mean, why should you lose your rights just because 432 00:19:41,348 --> 00:19:43,266 you're using a different communication mechanism? 433 00:19:44,059 --> 00:19:47,395 But, the military, and three-letter agencies, 434 00:19:47,395 --> 00:19:50,190 viewed cryptography as a tool of war. 435 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:52,025 And they didn't want unbreakable security 436 00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:53,068 in the hands of the masses. 437 00:19:53,068 --> 00:19:54,986 The unrestrained public discussion 438 00:19:54,986 --> 00:19:56,488 of cryptographic research 439 00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:58,156 threatened our national security. 440 00:19:58,156 --> 00:19:59,449 The cypherpunks waged 441 00:19:59,449 --> 00:20:01,785 a massive battle against the US government. 442 00:20:01,785 --> 00:20:04,079 I was sitting around at university and thinking, 443 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:06,081 man, this is, this is so ridiculous. 444 00:20:06,081 --> 00:20:08,625 So, Adam, being part punk... 445 00:20:08,625 --> 00:20:11,628 ...created an easily wearable bit of illicit code. 446 00:20:11,628 --> 00:20:14,297 It was just a method of encryption. 447 00:20:14,297 --> 00:20:16,257 Wear the shirt while crossing a border, 448 00:20:16,257 --> 00:20:18,009 and it could be considered weapons trafficking. 449 00:20:18,009 --> 00:20:20,303 A few people had tattoos with it on 450 00:20:20,303 --> 00:20:22,472 to, like, you know, to make the argument that, 451 00:20:22,472 --> 00:20:24,140 "Well, can I, can I leave the country now? 452 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:26,184 I've got this on my arm," kind of thing. 453 00:20:26,518 --> 00:20:28,978 And if you've ever used a secure messaging app, 454 00:20:29,813 --> 00:20:32,941 well, you have Adam and his cypherpunk buddies to thank 455 00:20:32,941 --> 00:20:34,317 because they won. 456 00:20:34,317 --> 00:20:36,695 Except one key thing evaded them. 457 00:20:36,695 --> 00:20:38,988 Permissionless electronic cash for the internet. 458 00:20:38,988 --> 00:20:41,157 Hey, this could actually change the world for the better. 459 00:20:41,157 --> 00:20:42,826 They understood that in a future 460 00:20:42,826 --> 00:20:45,120 where everything would be tracked and traced, 461 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,664 you needed untraceable digital cash. 462 00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:50,041 The holy grail was to find a solution to this problem. 463 00:20:50,041 --> 00:20:51,209 And we're not talking about 464 00:20:51,209 --> 00:20:53,169 a digital representation of money 465 00:20:53,169 --> 00:20:54,629 like when you use a bank or credit card. 466 00:20:54,629 --> 00:20:57,090 We're talking entirely decentralized, 467 00:20:57,090 --> 00:20:59,676 totally secure, fully autonomous currencies 468 00:20:59,676 --> 00:21:03,471 spread across the globe that no one could control or shut down. 469 00:21:03,471 --> 00:21:05,640 It all needed to work without putting trust in a bank, 470 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,851 a government, or some big corporation. 471 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,896 I want to tell you how PayPal stole my money 472 00:21:11,896 --> 00:21:13,314 and my girlfriend. 473 00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:16,359 Over the years, a few key cypherpunks 474 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,903 took stabs at trying to make this work. 475 00:21:19,362 --> 00:21:21,072 It was deemed impossible. 476 00:21:21,072 --> 00:21:24,993 But then, somehow, Satoshi showed up and figured it out. 477 00:21:24,993 --> 00:21:26,870 You know, you talk to a lot of technical people, 478 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:30,081 and they will say of Bitcoin, "I could have done that." 479 00:21:30,623 --> 00:21:33,626 I say it's actually much harder than it looks. 480 00:21:33,626 --> 00:21:35,211 I'm just trying to imagine, like, 481 00:21:35,211 --> 00:21:37,130 who would've been working around the clock 482 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:39,049 to introduce something like Bitcoin...? 483 00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:41,343 So, it could be somebody that was on the cypherpunks list 484 00:21:41,343 --> 00:21:43,136 that nobody knew the real name of. 485 00:21:43,136 --> 00:21:45,347 Or it could be somebody younger. 486 00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:51,478 Rachel-Rose O'Leary: I think the question, 487 00:21:51,478 --> 00:21:53,438 "Who was Satoshi?" always kind of creeps in. 488 00:21:53,438 --> 00:21:55,565 It's hard to avoid that question. 489 00:21:55,565 --> 00:21:57,776 But, I've been told it was a secret 490 00:21:57,776 --> 00:22:01,363 which was known, but that was closely guarded. 491 00:22:01,363 --> 00:22:02,864 That there were people in Bitcoin 492 00:22:02,864 --> 00:22:04,741 who knew who Satoshi is, 493 00:22:04,741 --> 00:22:06,451 but that they wouldn't reveal it. 494 00:22:06,451 --> 00:22:10,330 Um, and that maybe Satoshi was a group of people 495 00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:11,998 that is, like, still active in Bitcoin today. 496 00:22:11,998 --> 00:22:15,418 Rachel-Rose was a journalist for CoinDesk. 497 00:22:15,418 --> 00:22:17,212 It's one of the most popular media outlets 498 00:22:17,212 --> 00:22:19,422 covering the whole crypto space. 499 00:22:19,422 --> 00:22:21,132 Since leaving CoinDesk, 500 00:22:21,132 --> 00:22:22,884 she'd become a crypto-anarchist, 501 00:22:22,884 --> 00:22:26,471 which is about using subversive technology... 502 00:22:26,471 --> 00:22:27,931 ...to dodge government control. 503 00:22:27,931 --> 00:22:29,766 O'Leary: I was hoping you might have the time 504 00:22:29,766 --> 00:22:31,559 to interview Amir while you're here. 505 00:22:31,559 --> 00:22:33,603 He's, uh, one of the first five developers 506 00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:35,605 to talk with Satoshi. 507 00:22:35,605 --> 00:22:37,899 -Where is he in Switzerland? - He's downstairs. 508 00:22:37,899 --> 00:22:39,859 Oh, he's here? Oh, he lives with you! 509 00:22:39,859 --> 00:22:42,320 Who just happened to be her boyfriend. 510 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,488 Good to meet you. 511 00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:47,534 Amir Taaki is a British-Iranian anarchist revolutionary 512 00:22:47,534 --> 00:22:49,411 and one of the earliest programmers 513 00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:52,831 who worked on Bitcoin after Satoshi handed it off. 514 00:22:54,332 --> 00:22:55,959 In terms of the "Fuck the man, 515 00:22:55,959 --> 00:22:58,503 burn down the system" roots of Bitcoin, 516 00:22:58,503 --> 00:23:01,548 this guy is about as real as it gets. 517 00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:03,091 Should I call it... 518 00:23:03,091 --> 00:23:04,884 Drug Market Ultra 519 00:23:04,884 --> 00:23:06,928 or Death Market Revive? 520 00:23:07,303 --> 00:23:08,638 These days, the Bitcoiners, 521 00:23:08,638 --> 00:23:10,682 they don't really talk about me anymore. 522 00:23:10,682 --> 00:23:13,143 I'm no longer "in" with the Bitcoin crowd. 523 00:23:13,143 --> 00:23:15,311 But, part of it is because, 524 00:23:15,311 --> 00:23:17,147 uh, I went to fight in Syria. 525 00:23:18,773 --> 00:23:21,693 And I was like-- I was out of crypto for two years. 526 00:23:22,527 --> 00:23:25,321 There's a few photos of him with Kalashnikov, 527 00:23:25,321 --> 00:23:28,033 and it's like, "Bitcoiner Fights ISIS in Syria." 528 00:23:28,825 --> 00:23:30,118 Amir Taaki: It was more like three years, 529 00:23:30,118 --> 00:23:33,038 because I was under house arrest for one year as well. 530 00:23:33,038 --> 00:23:34,372 Oh wow. For what? 531 00:23:34,372 --> 00:23:36,708 Investigation of terrorism. 532 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:40,503 How did you get involved with Bitcoin? 533 00:23:40,503 --> 00:23:44,174 I remember when I first got into Bitcoin in 2010. 534 00:23:45,508 --> 00:23:47,344 I started to, like, delve a bit deeper, 535 00:23:47,344 --> 00:23:49,346 started to look at the code. 536 00:23:49,346 --> 00:23:51,598 The code itself was very bad, 537 00:23:51,598 --> 00:23:54,434 didn't seem like the guy who had wrote it 538 00:23:54,434 --> 00:23:56,728 was a professional developer. 539 00:23:57,312 --> 00:24:00,273 But, it wasn't nothing either. 540 00:24:00,273 --> 00:24:02,525 Conceptually, it was, it was a leap. 541 00:24:02,525 --> 00:24:04,277 It was interesting. 542 00:24:04,277 --> 00:24:05,653 Was Satoshi communicating with you 543 00:24:05,653 --> 00:24:07,947 in the early days at all? 544 00:24:07,947 --> 00:24:09,407 Just on the forums. 545 00:24:09,783 --> 00:24:11,868 Satoshi created the Bitcoin Talk forum, 546 00:24:11,868 --> 00:24:14,621 where early enthusiasts could interact with Satoshi 547 00:24:14,621 --> 00:24:17,040 who wrote 575 total posts. 548 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,919 Their posts usually had a kind of bland academic style. 549 00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:23,171 Unless something got under Satoshi's skin. 550 00:24:24,089 --> 00:24:25,882 Which Amir succeeded at. 551 00:24:25,882 --> 00:24:29,844 When I posted about WikiLeaks... 552 00:24:29,844 --> 00:24:31,888 WikiLeaks, an online collective 553 00:24:31,888 --> 00:24:33,723 known for publishing state secrets, 554 00:24:33,723 --> 00:24:36,059 had become the target of the state. 555 00:24:36,059 --> 00:24:39,062 The US government pressured Visa, MasterCard, 556 00:24:39,062 --> 00:24:41,147 PayPal to block all donations 557 00:24:41,147 --> 00:24:42,941 and freeze their funds. 558 00:24:42,941 --> 00:24:46,778 So, Amir suggested they start accepting donations in Bitcoin. 559 00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:49,114 "PC World" picked up the story. 560 00:24:49,114 --> 00:24:52,742 Satoshi was afraid this rapid adoption by WikiLeaks 561 00:24:52,742 --> 00:24:54,744 would attract the wrong kind of attention 562 00:24:54,744 --> 00:24:56,746 from three-letter agencies. 563 00:24:56,746 --> 00:24:58,248 One of my favorite quotes, 564 00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:01,001 "WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest, 565 00:25:01,001 --> 00:25:03,712 and the swarm is headed towards us." 566 00:25:03,712 --> 00:25:06,798 That's one theory for Satoshi's departure. 567 00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:08,883 The very next day, 568 00:25:08,883 --> 00:25:12,178 that's when Satoshi made their last post on the forum. 569 00:25:14,264 --> 00:25:17,434 But, Satoshi quietly continued communication 570 00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:19,019 with a select few people, 571 00:25:19,019 --> 00:25:21,896 primarily with a guy named Gavin Andresen, 572 00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:24,357 who had been an early contributor to Bitcoin. 573 00:25:24,357 --> 00:25:25,775 I was kind of looking around 574 00:25:25,775 --> 00:25:28,528 for an interesting open source software project 575 00:25:28,528 --> 00:25:31,364 to contribute to and stumbled across Bitcoin, 576 00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:32,991 and then got sucked in. 577 00:25:32,991 --> 00:25:35,118 Satoshi, when he left, 578 00:25:35,118 --> 00:25:37,037 he distributed control 579 00:25:37,037 --> 00:25:39,456 amongst different people in the community. 580 00:25:39,456 --> 00:25:40,749 Now, Gavin represented 581 00:25:40,749 --> 00:25:43,126 a very different type of Bitcoiner than Amir. 582 00:25:43,126 --> 00:25:46,713 He wanted to work with the state, not against it. 583 00:25:46,713 --> 00:25:49,049 He's a normie. Like a boomer-normie. 584 00:25:49,049 --> 00:25:52,969 But, normalizing Bitcoin appeared to be Satoshi's goal. 585 00:25:52,969 --> 00:25:56,014 And Gavin looked like he was from an L.L.Bean catalog. 586 00:25:56,014 --> 00:25:57,974 Every time I tried to make a change to Bitcoin, 587 00:25:57,974 --> 00:26:00,810 he tried to reject it. I was like, dude, fuck off! 588 00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:02,270 On the Bitcoin website, 589 00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:05,690 Satoshi even replaced their own email with Gavin's, 590 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:08,276 seemingly rendering him the spokesperson. 591 00:26:08,276 --> 00:26:11,905 So, I-I took over from the mysterious Satoshi Nakamoto. 592 00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:14,616 But, Satoshi became annoyed with Gavin's PR efforts 593 00:26:14,616 --> 00:26:16,159 rather quickly, writing, 594 00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:17,994 "I wish you wouldn't keep talking about me 595 00:26:17,994 --> 00:26:20,163 "as a mysterious shadowy figure. 596 00:26:20,163 --> 00:26:23,500 The press just turns that into a pirate currency angle." 597 00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:27,003 Then, Gavin did something that mortified early Bitcoiners, 598 00:26:27,003 --> 00:26:29,839 prompting Satoshi to permanently cut ties. 599 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:33,134 My last email to him was telling him that I had 600 00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:36,054 agreed to go visit the folks at the CIA. 601 00:26:37,347 --> 00:26:39,015 Gavin Andresen announced 602 00:26:39,015 --> 00:26:43,019 that he was visiting the CIA to present Bitcoin. 603 00:26:43,019 --> 00:26:45,522 Everybody was absolutely shocked. 604 00:26:45,522 --> 00:26:47,857 Like, dude, what are you doing? 605 00:26:48,316 --> 00:26:50,318 And after that, Satoshi just disappeared. 606 00:26:50,318 --> 00:26:52,445 Nobody heard from him again. 607 00:26:52,445 --> 00:26:53,988 Which was good timing 608 00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:58,243 because Bitcoin was about to find its first real-use case: 609 00:26:58,785 --> 00:27:00,578 buying drugs. 610 00:27:01,246 --> 00:27:03,498 YouTuber: Something special came in the mail 611 00:27:03,498 --> 00:27:05,375 just today from Silk Road. 612 00:27:05,375 --> 00:27:08,670 reporter: Imagine logging on to an Amazon-like marketplace, 613 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,880 only instead of household items and shoes, 614 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,215 you can buy heroin, meth, 615 00:27:12,215 --> 00:27:14,843 and pretty much any other drug you can think of. 616 00:27:14,843 --> 00:27:16,928 "Many thanks and much love." 617 00:27:16,928 --> 00:27:19,431 Yeah, I'm pretty sure there are some, uh, 618 00:27:19,431 --> 00:27:21,641 people interested in drugs, let's say, 619 00:27:21,641 --> 00:27:23,476 who ended up being relatively wealthy. 620 00:27:23,935 --> 00:27:26,730 While this sent Bitcoin's value skyrocketing, 621 00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:29,065 its reputation was easy pickings. 622 00:27:29,065 --> 00:27:30,859 It's untraceable, and that makes me think 623 00:27:30,859 --> 00:27:33,653 that the real purpose of Bitcoin is to use it for drugs 624 00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:36,322 or to buy weapons illegally. 625 00:27:36,322 --> 00:27:39,659 Although anarchists like Amir were loving it, 626 00:27:39,659 --> 00:27:41,995 the emerging generation of corporate Bitcoiners 627 00:27:41,995 --> 00:27:45,915 wanted to improve its image, give Bitcoin a friendlier face. 628 00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:48,251 reporter: Bitcoin Jesus himself joins us on the phone. 629 00:27:48,251 --> 00:27:50,587 - Roger, great to have you back. - Roger Ver Hello, everyone. 630 00:27:50,587 --> 00:27:51,671 Thank you for having me again. 631 00:27:51,963 --> 00:27:54,299 Roger Ver put millions of dollars 632 00:27:54,299 --> 00:27:56,760 into some of the first Bitcoin startups, 633 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,304 eventually rendering him a billionaire. 634 00:27:59,304 --> 00:28:02,265 But, when Roger first heard about Bitcoin, 635 00:28:02,265 --> 00:28:03,808 he had what's best described 636 00:28:03,808 --> 00:28:06,936 as a near-religious experience. 637 00:28:06,936 --> 00:28:09,022 Got so excited about Bitcoin and didn't sleep for a week 638 00:28:09,022 --> 00:28:10,648 and literally had to be taken to the hospital, 639 00:28:10,648 --> 00:28:11,858 and they gave me a sedative. 640 00:28:11,858 --> 00:28:14,402 Anybody here that's sick of the government 641 00:28:14,402 --> 00:28:15,737 inflating the money supply 642 00:28:15,737 --> 00:28:17,822 to pay to kill people all around the world? 643 00:28:17,822 --> 00:28:19,199 Stop using their money! 644 00:28:19,199 --> 00:28:20,909 This was like a dream come true for me. 645 00:28:20,909 --> 00:28:23,119 The-The thing I've been waiting almost my entire life 646 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,537 finally arrived, and so, of course, 647 00:28:24,537 --> 00:28:26,331 I was gonna be busy promoting that. 648 00:28:26,331 --> 00:28:29,000 Like a prophet, Roger spread Bitcoin 649 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,544 to anyone he met, earning him the title 650 00:28:31,544 --> 00:28:33,672 of Bitcoin Jesus. 651 00:28:39,803 --> 00:28:41,346 I think the world would just plain work better 652 00:28:41,346 --> 00:28:44,474 and be better for everybody if there wasn't a ruling class 653 00:28:44,474 --> 00:28:46,601 called the government. Uh... 654 00:28:46,601 --> 00:28:48,061 But, I don't want chaos. I want order 655 00:28:48,061 --> 00:28:50,063 and things to work smoothly and people to deal with each other 656 00:28:50,063 --> 00:28:52,565 on a voluntary basis to make the world a more orderly, 657 00:28:52,565 --> 00:28:54,109 prosperous place for everybody. 658 00:29:11,584 --> 00:29:14,462 Nouriel Roubini is a famous economist, 659 00:29:14,462 --> 00:29:18,049 best known for predicting the 2008 financial collapse, 660 00:29:18,049 --> 00:29:20,927 earning him the nickname Dr. Doom. 661 00:29:20,927 --> 00:29:22,137 I'm a pain for them 662 00:29:22,137 --> 00:29:24,723 because I'm public enemy number one of crypto. 663 00:29:24,723 --> 00:29:28,059 YouTuber: Nouriel Roubini. He can either be 664 00:29:28,059 --> 00:29:30,520 the world's biggest crypto troll 665 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,188 or an idiot. 666 00:29:32,188 --> 00:29:35,150 He's also known for throwing wild hot tub parties, 667 00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:38,361 where he looks to have "10 girls to every one guy." 668 00:29:38,361 --> 00:29:41,573 You know, I usually say that I'm not, uh, "Dr. Doom," 669 00:29:41,573 --> 00:29:43,283 I'm Dr. Realist. 670 00:29:44,117 --> 00:29:47,746 Honestly, I believe that crypto, even blockchain, 671 00:29:48,496 --> 00:29:52,250 is the biggest fad in financial history. 672 00:29:52,751 --> 00:29:56,129 In crypto, somebody steals your private key, 673 00:29:56,129 --> 00:29:59,549 your money is gone, your wealth is gone forever, 674 00:29:59,549 --> 00:30:01,426 for good. It disappears. 675 00:30:01,426 --> 00:30:02,761 reporter: This guy is out 676 00:30:02,761 --> 00:30:05,221 of $225 million. 677 00:30:05,221 --> 00:30:07,599 Seven and a half thousand bitcoins 678 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:09,893 on a hard drive that I'd thrown out. 679 00:30:09,893 --> 00:30:11,853 If somebody steals my credit card 680 00:30:11,853 --> 00:30:14,147 or gets my bank deposit, 681 00:30:14,147 --> 00:30:16,107 literally, I make a phone call, 682 00:30:16,107 --> 00:30:18,902 and I'm made 100% whole on that. 683 00:30:18,902 --> 00:30:20,570 We have reasons why 684 00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:22,947 we can monitor financial transactions. 685 00:30:22,947 --> 00:30:25,325 Some government may abuse it, 686 00:30:25,325 --> 00:30:28,161 but there is no civilized country in the world, 687 00:30:28,161 --> 00:30:31,039 or government, is gonna allow crypto. 688 00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,041 There will be a crackdown, 689 00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:34,709 and it's all gonna disappear. 690 00:30:34,709 --> 00:30:38,213 This is about undermining the Federal Reserve. 691 00:30:38,213 --> 00:30:41,591 This is about dis-intermediating the nation-state. 692 00:30:41,591 --> 00:30:44,052 Satoshi, whoever he or she was, 693 00:30:44,052 --> 00:30:45,720 maybe was an idealist. 694 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,973 Maybe he really cared about protecting people 695 00:30:48,973 --> 00:30:51,935 from excessive abuse of power and so on. 696 00:30:51,935 --> 00:30:54,145 The ideological origins 697 00:30:54,145 --> 00:30:57,941 of cryptocurrency, of Bitcoin, of Satoshi himself, 698 00:30:57,941 --> 00:31:00,694 unequivocally anti nation-state 699 00:31:00,694 --> 00:31:02,696 and pro human freedom. 700 00:31:03,154 --> 00:31:05,240 But, they had a problem. 701 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,283 While Satoshi understood that Bitcoin 702 00:31:07,283 --> 00:31:11,162 wasn't actually anonymous, just about everyone else... 703 00:31:11,162 --> 00:31:12,622 They didn't realize it was traceable. 704 00:31:12,622 --> 00:31:15,291 It wasn't until there was analysis done, 705 00:31:15,291 --> 00:31:18,628 cryptographers looking into it started to see, actually, 706 00:31:18,628 --> 00:31:19,796 there's links. 707 00:31:19,796 --> 00:31:21,464 There's like a trail on the blockchain 708 00:31:21,464 --> 00:31:22,549 that we can actually map. 709 00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:24,134 So, if someone who stole 710 00:31:24,134 --> 00:31:26,052 a bunch of Bitcoin tries to cash out, 711 00:31:26,052 --> 00:31:27,637 you can see that their Bitcoin wallet 712 00:31:27,637 --> 00:31:29,431 contains the stolen funds. 713 00:31:29,431 --> 00:31:33,018 Which is how people doing illegal shit got caught. 714 00:31:33,018 --> 00:31:35,270 Today, the FBI successfully seized 715 00:31:35,270 --> 00:31:38,314 criminal proceeds from a Bitcoin wallet. 716 00:31:39,482 --> 00:31:41,401 So, Amir gathered some hackers together 717 00:31:41,401 --> 00:31:42,902 in a sketchy squad 718 00:31:42,902 --> 00:31:45,238 to try and solve Bitcoin's privacy problem. 719 00:31:45,238 --> 00:31:47,824 They hired a young kid as their lead programmer. 720 00:31:47,824 --> 00:31:49,784 His name was Peter Todd. 721 00:31:49,784 --> 00:31:52,328 Peter Todd was living with us. 722 00:31:52,328 --> 00:31:54,664 You know, that's how I got to know him. 723 00:31:54,664 --> 00:31:58,835 We put Peter Todd as the chief scientist of our project 724 00:31:58,835 --> 00:32:01,254 to put him in opposition to Gavin Andresen. 725 00:32:02,297 --> 00:32:05,008 You know, we're sitting in a freezing cold room 726 00:32:05,008 --> 00:32:07,844 because it's an abandoned building with no heat. 727 00:32:07,844 --> 00:32:09,637 And it's very unique. 728 00:32:09,637 --> 00:32:10,930 But, equally though, 729 00:32:11,056 --> 00:32:13,641 you get people who know what they're talking about. 730 00:32:13,641 --> 00:32:17,062 You need to give people space to actually work on these issues. 731 00:32:20,148 --> 00:32:21,941 Nine years later, 732 00:32:21,941 --> 00:32:24,235 Peter was still trying to solve these issues. 733 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:27,489 Peter Todd: There's a lot of people who would like to see cash go away 734 00:32:27,489 --> 00:32:30,367 and like see your ability to transact anonymously disappear. 735 00:32:30,367 --> 00:32:33,328 I mean, this, this is a very dangerous thing. 736 00:32:35,205 --> 00:32:37,749 This needs to be treated as a human rights issue. 737 00:32:37,749 --> 00:32:39,334 How'd you get into caving? 738 00:32:39,334 --> 00:32:41,628 There was something called the Toronto Caving Group. 739 00:32:42,253 --> 00:32:45,006 Didn't really pick the best place to live for good caves. 740 00:32:47,217 --> 00:32:49,427 Here, you can actually see, uh, 741 00:32:49,427 --> 00:32:52,555 stalactites and stalagmites sort of forming a column. 742 00:32:52,555 --> 00:32:56,267 So, you know this thing hasn't moved for probably 30, 40 years. 743 00:32:56,267 --> 00:32:57,894 It's unlikely it'll collapse on our heads, 744 00:32:57,894 --> 00:32:59,938 but one day, it will. 745 00:32:59,938 --> 00:33:01,356 Tell me about your endeavors 746 00:33:01,356 --> 00:33:03,858 to try to make a digital currency yourself. 747 00:33:03,858 --> 00:33:05,985 Well, you know, 748 00:33:05,985 --> 00:33:08,238 in, like, the mid-2000s, 749 00:33:08,238 --> 00:33:11,199 I was off getting a fine arts degree. 750 00:33:11,825 --> 00:33:15,954 Started working halftime, like, 2007, full-time in 2008, 751 00:33:15,954 --> 00:33:18,873 and I finally kinda finished it in sort of 2009, 752 00:33:18,873 --> 00:33:20,750 and then went on to start doing physics. 753 00:33:21,084 --> 00:33:25,005 So, have people suspected you of being Satoshi at any point? 754 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,261 Why do they, uh, think you're behind it? 755 00:33:36,725 --> 00:33:38,518 It was back in 2001, 756 00:33:38,518 --> 00:33:40,937 when Peter Todd, a self-taught coder, 757 00:33:40,937 --> 00:33:43,606 first contacted Adam Back. 758 00:33:43,606 --> 00:33:45,608 He was only 15 at the time, 759 00:33:45,608 --> 00:33:47,444 and, like some sort of savant, 760 00:33:47,444 --> 00:33:50,655 he already had a deep understanding of digital cash. 761 00:33:51,489 --> 00:33:53,783 You almost learned how to code before you learned how to read. 762 00:33:53,783 --> 00:33:54,784 Yep. 763 00:33:54,784 --> 00:33:56,286 That's wild. 764 00:33:56,286 --> 00:33:58,455 The logic of coding seemed pretty obvious to me. 765 00:33:58,455 --> 00:34:01,332 Were you just interested in those issues in high school? 766 00:34:01,332 --> 00:34:04,085 I happened to be a young libertarian, 767 00:34:05,211 --> 00:34:07,339 and it was pretty obvious to me that 768 00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:10,467 control of money is a very big problem 769 00:34:10,467 --> 00:34:11,634 for freedom of speech. 770 00:34:11,634 --> 00:34:15,513 We should find a way to have decentralized banking. 771 00:34:16,222 --> 00:34:17,849 Over the years, Peter became 772 00:34:17,849 --> 00:34:20,310 an increasingly controversial figure. 773 00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:23,271 The war on cash is the thing that has to be stopped. 774 00:34:23,271 --> 00:34:25,273 And, frankly, everyone in this audience, 775 00:34:25,273 --> 00:34:28,234 if you don't use cash to go pay regularly, 776 00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:30,862 I don't, I don't respect you as a Bitcoiner. 777 00:34:30,862 --> 00:34:32,155 Like, that's just a fact. 778 00:34:32,155 --> 00:34:34,324 If you're using credit every single day, fuck you. 779 00:34:36,368 --> 00:34:39,454 Let's just say his takes weren't always appreciated. 780 00:34:39,454 --> 00:34:41,456 One day, Bitcoin will go to zero. 781 00:34:41,456 --> 00:34:42,957 You know, it will eventually fail, 782 00:34:42,957 --> 00:34:44,167 like everything else. 783 00:34:44,167 --> 00:34:46,211 Peter will always try to disagree with you. 784 00:34:46,211 --> 00:34:49,339 He's the contrarian of contrarians. 785 00:34:49,339 --> 00:34:51,466 You know, the people who really know... 786 00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:53,927 know how this stuff works, I think realize 787 00:34:53,927 --> 00:34:56,304 that anyone competent enough to go do Bitcoin 788 00:34:56,304 --> 00:34:58,932 probably would be competent enough to not leave any traces. 789 00:34:59,516 --> 00:35:02,602 I mean, Satoshi left a lot of digital history. 790 00:35:02,602 --> 00:35:05,605 Yeah, but digital history doesn't mean much, you know? 791 00:35:05,605 --> 00:35:08,692 Doesn't necessarily give you any insight into who they were. 792 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,195 Remember, things that look like mistakes 793 00:35:12,195 --> 00:35:14,030 can be intentionally misleading. 794 00:35:14,864 --> 00:35:17,951 If I were Satoshi, I would have destroyed my ability 795 00:35:17,951 --> 00:35:20,120 to go prove I was Satoshi. 796 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,414 Because then, you'd never be tempted. 797 00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:27,794 But, uh, you're-you're not Satoshi? 798 00:35:28,628 --> 00:35:29,629 Oh, no, I am Satoshi. 799 00:35:29,629 --> 00:35:31,464 I'm Satoshi Nakamoto. 800 00:35:31,464 --> 00:35:33,758 -Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all Satoshi. -Yep. 801 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,395 It's a monkey, I guess. 802 00:35:45,937 --> 00:35:48,440 -Yep. - Could be better. 803 00:35:49,941 --> 00:35:51,526 How'd you guys meet? 804 00:35:51,526 --> 00:35:52,652 Online first. 805 00:35:52,652 --> 00:35:56,531 I got more actively interested in Bitcoin in 2013. 806 00:35:56,531 --> 00:35:59,242 Had the feeling that I don't understand how this works. 807 00:35:59,242 --> 00:36:00,410 There are people developing it, 808 00:36:00,410 --> 00:36:01,786 maybe I can find out where they hang out. 809 00:36:01,953 --> 00:36:04,247 So, still trying to understand how Bitcoin works, 810 00:36:04,247 --> 00:36:05,582 Adam heads over to the forum 811 00:36:05,582 --> 00:36:08,877 and, for the first time ever, makes some posts. 812 00:36:08,877 --> 00:36:10,086 A lot of posts. 813 00:36:10,086 --> 00:36:12,380 Trying to prove his relevance 814 00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:14,674 and his apparent ignorance. 815 00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:17,677 I was a guy who had a fine arts degree. 816 00:36:17,677 --> 00:36:20,555 Yet, you know, I still understood the system better than he did. 817 00:36:20,555 --> 00:36:23,266 So, to clear things up, Adam started a thread, 818 00:36:23,266 --> 00:36:25,602 "Who is this annoying Adam Back guy?" 819 00:36:25,602 --> 00:36:27,687 Of course, the Bitcoiners knew who he was. 820 00:36:27,687 --> 00:36:30,273 I knew who you were. I knew you invented Hashcash. 821 00:36:30,273 --> 00:36:31,983 And here you pop up, and you were clueless. 822 00:36:31,983 --> 00:36:35,612 And they just thought he was, well, pretending. 823 00:36:35,612 --> 00:36:37,572 Best evidence of him being Satoshi. 824 00:36:37,572 --> 00:36:39,741 -Of not being Satoshi. -Being Satoshi. 825 00:36:39,741 --> 00:36:41,951 - Uh-- - Only Satoshi would go to such great lengths 826 00:36:41,951 --> 00:36:44,162 to go and make sure no one thought they were Satoshi. 827 00:36:44,162 --> 00:36:46,331 By the way, everyone's Satoshi. 828 00:36:46,331 --> 00:36:49,292 Yeah, except for me. I'm not Satoshi. 829 00:36:49,292 --> 00:36:51,795 But the most suspicious thing 830 00:36:51,795 --> 00:36:54,297 was the timing of his appearance on the forums. 831 00:36:54,297 --> 00:36:56,383 The same day Adam registered, 832 00:36:56,383 --> 00:37:00,303 a researcher discovered a bug in Bitcoin's code. 833 00:37:00,303 --> 00:37:03,139 It enabled them to see how much Satoshi had mined. 834 00:37:03,139 --> 00:37:06,059 About a million Bitcoin. 835 00:37:06,059 --> 00:37:08,186 Adam seemed concerned, writing, 836 00:37:08,186 --> 00:37:10,814 "Perhaps we're forced to protect him." 837 00:37:10,814 --> 00:37:11,981 And he had a plan. 838 00:37:11,981 --> 00:37:14,651 And I had a potential way to improve Bitcoin's privacy... 839 00:37:14,651 --> 00:37:18,446 He wanted to make Bitcoin truly anonymous. 840 00:37:18,446 --> 00:37:22,075 Which would also mean Satoshi could spend their stash 841 00:37:22,075 --> 00:37:23,410 without anyone knowing. 842 00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:24,994 So, I talked to developers 843 00:37:24,994 --> 00:37:27,706 about how do-- how do you achieve this. 844 00:37:27,997 --> 00:37:30,333 And Adam's coming-out party on the forums 845 00:37:30,333 --> 00:37:32,544 positioned him so that within a year, 846 00:37:32,544 --> 00:37:34,504 he could start Blockstream. 847 00:37:34,504 --> 00:37:35,839 Because Bitcoin's problems, 848 00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:37,924 they just couldn't be solved in a squad, 849 00:37:37,924 --> 00:37:40,510 like what Peter and Amir had attempted a year earlier. 850 00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:42,178 It required serious funding. 851 00:37:42,178 --> 00:37:43,805 It's a big undertaking. 852 00:37:43,805 --> 00:37:44,639 So, it'd need a company, 853 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:46,016 it needs to employ lots of people. 854 00:37:46,141 --> 00:37:49,019 Blockstream could do what Satoshi couldn't. 855 00:37:49,019 --> 00:37:50,895 Raise money, build a huge team, 856 00:37:50,895 --> 00:37:54,024 and solve Bitcoin's technical problems. 857 00:37:54,024 --> 00:37:56,943 You could say Blockstream is a kind of corporate Satoshi? 858 00:37:56,943 --> 00:38:01,031 - Mm-hmm. - Like, how did he become the head of the company 859 00:38:01,031 --> 00:38:03,199 that became the stewards of Bitcoin? 860 00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:04,534 Uh, it's a good question. 861 00:38:04,534 --> 00:38:08,288 He kind of, uh, shows up and very quickly 862 00:38:08,288 --> 00:38:10,874 becomes integrated into the Bitcoin community. 863 00:38:10,874 --> 00:38:14,586 Where he knew to pursue the right kind of talent. 864 00:38:14,586 --> 00:38:16,379 So, Adam, when you started Blockstream, 865 00:38:16,379 --> 00:38:18,048 did you try to get Peter on board? 866 00:38:18,048 --> 00:38:20,884 - Well, kinda intentionally not. - Yeah. 867 00:38:20,884 --> 00:38:23,345 We talked about saying it would actually be much better 868 00:38:23,345 --> 00:38:25,638 - if I didn't work for Blockstream. -Mm-hmm. 869 00:38:25,638 --> 00:38:27,974 'Cause it's better if Blockstream doesn't have everyone. 870 00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,103 While Peter Todd decided not to work at Blockstream, 871 00:38:32,103 --> 00:38:35,190 his friend Greg Maxwell did. 872 00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:36,399 We're building infrastructure 873 00:38:36,399 --> 00:38:37,901 that Bitcoin needs going forward. 874 00:38:37,901 --> 00:38:40,570 In fact, Greg founded the company with Adam. 875 00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:42,822 O'Leary: People like Greg Maxwell, 876 00:38:42,822 --> 00:38:44,908 they were considered the, the thought leaders. 877 00:38:44,908 --> 00:38:47,369 Greg doesn't do interviews anymore, right? 878 00:38:47,369 --> 00:38:51,456 Getting him to come out of his, uh, home is, uh... 879 00:38:51,915 --> 00:38:55,502 ...seemingly off the table, with Greg writing to me, 880 00:38:55,752 --> 00:38:58,338 "I'm pretty exhausted from years of harassment 881 00:38:58,338 --> 00:39:00,256 "driven by conspiracy theories. 882 00:39:00,256 --> 00:39:02,550 I feel like I've given enough." 883 00:39:03,635 --> 00:39:06,429 So, do you think they were working with Satoshi? 884 00:39:06,429 --> 00:39:08,932 It was very mysterious. Uh, th-there is the question 885 00:39:08,932 --> 00:39:11,101 of whether Adam Back is Satoshi. 886 00:39:11,351 --> 00:39:12,769 There's been a lot of debate 887 00:39:12,769 --> 00:39:16,398 over which of these cypherpunks is most likely to be Satoshi. 888 00:39:16,398 --> 00:39:19,317 Hal Finney received the first Bitcoin transaction, 889 00:39:19,317 --> 00:39:22,654 but he died of Lou Gehrig's disease in 2014. 890 00:39:23,071 --> 00:39:24,406 Well, sort of. 891 00:39:24,406 --> 00:39:25,907 His head is frozen. 892 00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:27,701 So, if he's Satoshi, 893 00:39:27,701 --> 00:39:29,619 you'd probably have to solve cryonics 894 00:39:29,619 --> 00:39:31,621 to get the key that's stored in his head. 895 00:39:31,621 --> 00:39:34,207 But, there were some problems with this theory. 896 00:39:34,207 --> 00:39:37,794 Satoshi's code bears zero resemblance to Hal Finney's. 897 00:39:37,794 --> 00:39:40,463 And Hal was photographed in a 10-mile race, 898 00:39:40,463 --> 00:39:43,758 while Satoshi was actively emailing with someone. 899 00:39:43,758 --> 00:39:47,679 In 2015, The New York Times pointed to Nick Szabo, 900 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:49,973 a reclusive cypherpunk who envisioned something 901 00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:51,349 pretty similar to Bitcoin. 902 00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:53,935 Would you ever be open to, to doing, 903 00:39:53,935 --> 00:39:56,479 like, an interview on camera about all of that? 904 00:39:56,479 --> 00:39:57,856 The key piece of evidence, 905 00:39:57,856 --> 00:39:59,983 he changed the date of a blog entry, 906 00:39:59,983 --> 00:40:02,318 presumably so it would seem like he came up 907 00:40:02,318 --> 00:40:04,904 with this idea after Bitcoin. 908 00:40:05,447 --> 00:40:07,907 Thing is, he'd actually announced months earlier 909 00:40:07,907 --> 00:40:10,744 that he'd be doing reruns of his blog favorite entries, 910 00:40:10,744 --> 00:40:13,830 making this piece of evidence look a lot less suspicious. 911 00:40:19,002 --> 00:40:22,005 There's Wei Dai, who is a famous cryptographer. 912 00:40:22,005 --> 00:40:24,799 He claims there are no real photos of him on the internet. 913 00:40:24,799 --> 00:40:26,676 But, he did speculate that Satoshi 914 00:40:26,676 --> 00:40:28,845 must have been someone with energy and time 915 00:40:28,845 --> 00:40:31,973 that isn't obligated to publish papers under their real name. 916 00:40:31,973 --> 00:40:34,142 There's Len Sassaman, David Chaum, Dorian Nakamoto... 917 00:40:37,187 --> 00:40:38,772 The list goes on and on. 918 00:40:38,772 --> 00:40:40,607 I am Satoshi! 919 00:40:40,607 --> 00:40:41,566 Okay! 920 00:40:41,858 --> 00:40:44,903 The biggest critic of crypto is Satoshi himself. 921 00:40:45,528 --> 00:40:48,531 And while we could pick apart each of these theories, 922 00:40:48,531 --> 00:40:50,617 the evidence pointing in Adam's direction 923 00:40:50,617 --> 00:40:52,702 was a lot harder to poke holes in. 924 00:40:52,702 --> 00:40:54,954 So, we're gonna focus on that. 925 00:40:54,954 --> 00:40:56,790 Though for a long time, people hadn't really 926 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:59,376 considered him a suspect. And that's because 927 00:40:59,376 --> 00:41:01,294 he wasn't just cited in the white paper. 928 00:41:01,294 --> 00:41:04,964 He was the only person called out by name in the body of it. 929 00:41:04,964 --> 00:41:08,134 But, was Satoshi simply hiding in plain sight? 930 00:41:08,134 --> 00:41:10,470 I've never done it before, so... 931 00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:12,847 - Okay. It's 99%. - It's just one-- Just this one hand, right? 932 00:41:12,847 --> 00:41:14,724 You see, like Satoshi, 933 00:41:14,724 --> 00:41:16,601 he writes in a typically measured style 934 00:41:16,601 --> 00:41:18,103 with similar spelling choices. 935 00:41:19,688 --> 00:41:21,981 Now, Adam also claims that he didn't really get involved 936 00:41:21,981 --> 00:41:24,484 until four years after the launch of Bitcoin. 937 00:41:24,484 --> 00:41:26,695 In 2013, I felt like, you know, 938 00:41:26,695 --> 00:41:28,113 the embarrassing late guy, 939 00:41:28,113 --> 00:41:31,574 given that I should've known better at the beginning, right? 940 00:41:31,574 --> 00:41:32,992 And, uh... 941 00:41:32,992 --> 00:41:34,369 Thing is, 942 00:41:34,369 --> 00:41:35,745 back in 2011, 943 00:41:35,745 --> 00:41:37,706 you can see he was on a mailing list, 944 00:41:37,706 --> 00:41:39,791 openly defending Bitcoin, 945 00:41:39,791 --> 00:41:43,336 and sharing complex insights into Bitcoin's expansion. 946 00:41:43,336 --> 00:41:45,922 Weirder still, in 2012, 947 00:41:45,922 --> 00:41:49,217 he began making revisions to Bitcoin's Wikipedia page, 948 00:41:50,218 --> 00:41:53,388 eventually restoring the section about Satoshi... 949 00:41:54,305 --> 00:41:57,308 Just, like, tried to right a slight historical wrong there. 950 00:41:57,308 --> 00:42:00,603 ...even adding possible suspects. 951 00:42:00,603 --> 00:42:03,148 Just leaving out his own name. 952 00:42:07,444 --> 00:42:09,654 How much is Satoshi worth these days? 953 00:42:09,654 --> 00:42:12,741 I don't know. Um, I mean, even the number of coins 954 00:42:12,741 --> 00:42:14,784 that he might have is a bit speculative. 955 00:42:14,784 --> 00:42:17,495 If they had a million coins, 956 00:42:17,495 --> 00:42:19,539 whoever Satoshi is would technically have 957 00:42:19,539 --> 00:42:22,667 a huge amount of influence if it becomes the, 958 00:42:22,667 --> 00:42:24,961 - the new global currency, right? -Right. 959 00:42:24,961 --> 00:42:26,921 That would mean that whoever Satoshi is 960 00:42:26,921 --> 00:42:30,216 might be one of the most powerful people in the world. 961 00:42:34,846 --> 00:42:36,681 Even the slightest suggestion 962 00:42:36,681 --> 00:42:38,767 that Satoshi had access to their coins 963 00:42:38,767 --> 00:42:41,061 had the power to tumble markets. 964 00:42:42,645 --> 00:42:45,815 Market fear has begun to overtake rationality. 965 00:42:45,815 --> 00:42:48,651 But selling a million coins all at once? 966 00:42:48,651 --> 00:42:50,695 If these coins were dumped... 967 00:42:50,695 --> 00:42:53,239 That could kill Bitcoin. 968 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,784 And as the stakes grew, 969 00:42:55,784 --> 00:42:58,828 it kinda mattered if Satoshi still had access. 970 00:42:58,828 --> 00:43:00,747 If you were Satoshi, where would you store 971 00:43:00,747 --> 00:43:02,624 your private key to the, uh, trove? 972 00:43:02,624 --> 00:43:05,001 I don't know. That's a lot of bitcoins, isn't it? 973 00:43:06,419 --> 00:43:09,297 What do you think Satoshi might've done with that key? 974 00:43:09,297 --> 00:43:11,257 I don't know. I mean, 975 00:43:11,257 --> 00:43:14,844 some people speculate that he might've deleted them. 976 00:43:14,844 --> 00:43:17,222 But, of course, we don't know-- we wouldn't know, right? 977 00:43:17,681 --> 00:43:19,599 But, we could've known. 978 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:20,975 You see, there's a way 979 00:43:20,975 --> 00:43:23,728 to verifiably destroy your bitcoins. 980 00:43:23,728 --> 00:43:25,855 It's called burning the coins, 981 00:43:25,855 --> 00:43:28,692 and it's done in a public way for all to see... 982 00:43:28,692 --> 00:43:31,319 ...on the blockchain. 983 00:43:33,488 --> 00:43:35,031 You could burn all the coins 984 00:43:35,031 --> 00:43:38,368 because that would remove the small uncertainty that exists. 985 00:43:38,368 --> 00:43:41,287 But, Satoshi didn't do this. 986 00:43:41,287 --> 00:43:44,708 Meaning they very well might still have access. 987 00:43:46,001 --> 00:43:48,044 If they kept that stuff, there'd be a lot of temptation 988 00:43:48,044 --> 00:43:49,254 to spend some of it. 989 00:43:49,754 --> 00:43:51,256 So, Satoshi had to weigh the temptation 990 00:43:51,256 --> 00:43:53,550 of becoming the richest person on Earth 991 00:43:53,550 --> 00:43:55,010 against the possibility 992 00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:57,303 that it would derail their invention. 993 00:43:59,889 --> 00:44:02,809 Do you think it'll ever be known who Satoshi is? 994 00:44:02,809 --> 00:44:04,185 I don't think so, no. 995 00:44:04,185 --> 00:44:05,937 I mean, just-just because all of the people 996 00:44:05,937 --> 00:44:08,857 that have been identified 997 00:44:08,857 --> 00:44:11,234 have various reasons, believable reasons, 998 00:44:11,234 --> 00:44:12,944 why it's probably not them. 999 00:44:12,944 --> 00:44:14,446 And you know what the list is, right? 1000 00:44:14,446 --> 00:44:17,365 - It's been circulated a million times. - Right. Right. 1001 00:44:18,533 --> 00:44:20,285 Wei Dai is on the list. 1002 00:44:20,744 --> 00:44:24,289 Um, Nick Szabo is on the list. Hal Finney. 1003 00:44:24,289 --> 00:44:26,041 You're on the list. And then, 1004 00:44:26,041 --> 00:44:29,419 maybe mysterious... mysterious other person. 1005 00:44:29,419 --> 00:44:31,963 - Right. - Um... 1006 00:44:32,922 --> 00:44:34,758 Well, I thought you might think I'm Satoshi, 1007 00:44:34,758 --> 00:44:37,594 and I don't want that to be on the record, really. 1008 00:44:39,137 --> 00:44:41,598 - I mean, you're on the list of suspects, right? - Yeah, yeah, 1009 00:44:41,598 --> 00:44:42,932 but, uh, you know, 1010 00:44:42,932 --> 00:44:44,934 I was interested for you, personally, to understand 1011 00:44:44,934 --> 00:44:48,271 that really-really, I'm not, you know? Yeah. 1012 00:44:52,942 --> 00:44:55,111 It seemed to me that, at a minimum, 1013 00:44:55,111 --> 00:44:57,947 Adam was more involved than he was letting on. 1014 00:45:03,328 --> 00:45:06,081 Meanwhile, Blockstream's Bitcoin ambassador 1015 00:45:06,081 --> 00:45:09,209 was trying to make Bitcoin the new global standard. 1016 00:45:09,209 --> 00:45:11,795 This is a pivotal time with Bitcoin, 1017 00:45:11,795 --> 00:45:13,254 and we have to push the advantage we have now. 1018 00:45:13,254 --> 00:45:16,675 I have an in in Korea, but if you wanna do Vietnam... 1019 00:45:16,675 --> 00:45:17,842 Michelle Phan: Wow... Yeah! 1020 00:45:18,051 --> 00:45:20,136 - Fist bump... I'm down. - Are you down? Okay! 1021 00:45:20,136 --> 00:45:21,179 Alright, I'm down, too. 1022 00:45:21,429 --> 00:45:23,723 Samson's young new ally just happened to be 1023 00:45:23,723 --> 00:45:26,142 one of YouTube's biggest beauty influencers. 1024 00:45:26,142 --> 00:45:29,145 Now, she was advising on more than just makeup. 1025 00:45:29,145 --> 00:45:31,731 With Bitcoin, you can buy it in smaller units. 1026 00:45:31,731 --> 00:45:35,735 There's 100 million satoshis in one bitcoin. 1027 00:45:35,735 --> 00:45:37,779 Nothing ever infinitely goes up, 1028 00:45:37,779 --> 00:45:38,947 but Bitcoin will. 1029 00:45:39,197 --> 00:45:40,949 I feel like California should become its own country 1030 00:45:40,949 --> 00:45:42,575 and adopt Bitcoin. In my humble opinion. 1031 00:45:42,575 --> 00:45:45,328 It's like, what, the fourth largest GDP right, in the world? 1032 00:45:45,328 --> 00:45:46,371 Yeah. 1033 00:45:46,371 --> 00:45:48,331 They were headed to a political function 1034 00:45:48,331 --> 00:45:49,374 for Andrew Yang... 1035 00:45:49,374 --> 00:45:50,583 Andrew Yang: I'm Andrew Yang, 1036 00:45:50,583 --> 00:45:53,461 and I'm running for president as a Democrat in 2020. 1037 00:45:53,837 --> 00:45:56,715 ...who kinda brought the idea of universal basic income 1038 00:45:56,715 --> 00:45:58,299 into the mainstream. 1039 00:45:58,299 --> 00:46:01,511 - So, we gotta talk to Andrew about UBI. Your UBI! - Yeah. 1040 00:46:01,511 --> 00:46:04,514 Yes, the universal Bitcoin income. 1041 00:46:04,514 --> 00:46:07,017 Not universal basic income. We don't want basic shit. 1042 00:46:07,017 --> 00:46:08,518 - We want Bitcoin. - Yeah, we're not basic. 1043 00:46:08,518 --> 00:46:10,228 Thank you. Okay, here we are. 1044 00:46:10,228 --> 00:46:12,856 So, these two, they're what's known as 1045 00:46:12,856 --> 00:46:15,942 Bitcoin maximalists, or Maxi for short. 1046 00:46:15,942 --> 00:46:18,278 I'm a proud Bitcoin Maxi now. 1047 00:46:18,278 --> 00:46:19,404 I'm toxic as fuck. 1048 00:46:19,404 --> 00:46:21,364 Does their profile pic 1049 00:46:21,364 --> 00:46:23,450 have lasers coming out of their eyes? 1050 00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:24,784 Usually means they're a Maxi. 1051 00:46:24,784 --> 00:46:27,537 It was a system of monetary belief. 1052 00:46:27,537 --> 00:46:29,289 Welcome to the new religion. 1053 00:46:29,289 --> 00:46:32,834 Faith that Bitcoin could fix all the problems in the world. 1054 00:46:32,834 --> 00:46:34,210 Bitcoin fixes everything! 1055 00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:36,755 And that the US dollar was on its way out. 1056 00:46:36,755 --> 00:46:38,256 Okay, here's a $10 bill. 1057 00:46:38,256 --> 00:46:41,051 This is garbage. This is garbage. 1058 00:46:41,051 --> 00:46:43,511 Which could be pretty fucking annoying. 1059 00:46:43,511 --> 00:46:47,140 But, ultimately, their goal was to orange pill the world. 1060 00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:49,601 We're gonna try and orange pill him. 1061 00:46:49,601 --> 00:46:51,227 Oh my gosh! Hey, Michelle! 1062 00:46:51,227 --> 00:46:54,064 We have a real life Asian-American supermodel and activist. 1063 00:46:54,064 --> 00:46:56,608 Their tactics could be pretty shameless. 1064 00:46:56,608 --> 00:46:58,485 - Andrew, nice to meet you. - Oh, nice to meet you, too. 1065 00:46:58,485 --> 00:47:00,362 This guy's changing the world. I want you to meet him. 1066 00:47:00,362 --> 00:47:02,072 I think he's really important for you to talk to. 1067 00:47:02,072 --> 00:47:03,698 Oh, no, I'm super pumped about this. See this magic? 1068 00:47:03,698 --> 00:47:07,035 You see this magic in real time? You wanna say a couple words? 1069 00:47:07,035 --> 00:47:10,830 Bitcoin is the most important crypto out there. 1070 00:47:12,248 --> 00:47:13,875 Holy cow! 1071 00:47:31,393 --> 00:47:33,937 - Let's talk, uh, more deeply. -Yeah! 1072 00:47:33,937 --> 00:47:36,481 What's your info? What's the best way to be in touch? 1073 00:47:36,481 --> 00:47:40,193 Many of these utopian movements start by a bunch of idealists. 1074 00:47:40,193 --> 00:47:42,862 But then, they're captured by a bunch of greedy people, 1075 00:47:42,862 --> 00:47:44,280 they become a cult, 1076 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,700 and the people and the system becomes like a religion. 1077 00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:47,909 They become fanatic. 1078 00:47:47,909 --> 00:47:49,911 And then, all these utopias, in due time, 1079 00:47:49,911 --> 00:47:52,872 they just disappear in the dustbin of history. 1080 00:47:52,872 --> 00:47:54,833 And that's what's gonna happen with crypto. 1081 00:47:56,167 --> 00:47:58,962 Samson thought he could use his own right hand. 1082 00:47:58,962 --> 00:48:00,630 Someone with connections. 1083 00:48:01,172 --> 00:48:03,800 Enter the Prince of Serbia. 1084 00:48:04,342 --> 00:48:06,094 Prince Philip: 2020, that's when it really clicked. 1085 00:48:06,094 --> 00:48:09,180 There are synergies between Bitcoin and monarchies. 1086 00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:11,057 I'm a Maxi now. 1087 00:48:11,057 --> 00:48:12,642 That's my great-grandfather. 1088 00:48:12,642 --> 00:48:14,185 This is my great- great-grandfather. 1089 00:48:14,185 --> 00:48:16,980 I see. When do you get your painting in here? 1090 00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:18,815 Who knows? 1091 00:48:18,815 --> 00:48:20,233 He has the perfect skill set 1092 00:48:20,233 --> 00:48:23,820 to contact, uh, diplomats, presidents. 1093 00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:25,572 There's a lot of big family network 1094 00:48:25,572 --> 00:48:28,116 to-to-to work through. That opens a lot of doors. 1095 00:48:28,116 --> 00:48:29,659 Not that long ago, 1096 00:48:29,659 --> 00:48:32,746 Montenegro and Serbia used to be part of the same country. 1097 00:48:32,746 --> 00:48:35,999 And Prince Philip's family still had a lot of influence. 1098 00:48:35,999 --> 00:48:37,959 Prince Philip: Prime Minister Spaji. 1099 00:48:37,959 --> 00:48:40,128 In terms of where he's at with Bitcoin, 1100 00:48:40,128 --> 00:48:42,005 could be the start of a good relationship with him 1101 00:48:42,005 --> 00:48:44,090 to get things moving in this country. 1102 00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:48,053 I'm a big fan of Bitcoin, obviously, 1103 00:48:48,053 --> 00:48:50,847 and of the technology that Bitcoin brought. 1104 00:48:50,847 --> 00:48:53,016 Politically, it's, it's a difficult sell. 1105 00:48:53,016 --> 00:48:55,018 You have to think about all kinds of risks. 1106 00:48:55,018 --> 00:48:58,188 I think the government shouldn't invest in Bitcoin. 1107 00:48:58,188 --> 00:48:59,898 If you're risk-averse, you think the government 1108 00:48:59,898 --> 00:49:01,566 should not hold it. That's fine. 1109 00:49:01,566 --> 00:49:04,736 But, in the event that fiat currencies collapse, 1110 00:49:04,736 --> 00:49:07,280 everyone will rush into Bitcoin. So, what we're trying to do 1111 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,240 is get parallel systems in place. 1112 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,035 Dollars, Bitcoin, pesos, Bitcoin, yen, Bitcoin. 1113 00:49:12,035 --> 00:49:13,661 We don't have our own currency. 1114 00:49:13,661 --> 00:49:17,540 We're using euros without being able to print euros. 1115 00:49:17,540 --> 00:49:20,043 And that's not fair. You know, that's not cool. 1116 00:49:20,043 --> 00:49:22,212 Maybe something to consider 1117 00:49:22,212 --> 00:49:24,881 is adopting Bitcoin as simply money. 1118 00:49:24,881 --> 00:49:26,466 You don't need to tax anybody. 1119 00:49:26,466 --> 00:49:28,259 - You can just mine Bitcoin... - Prince Philip: Yes. 1120 00:49:28,259 --> 00:49:29,844 ...and that will fund everything. 1121 00:49:29,844 --> 00:49:32,430 The electricity is relatively cheap. 1122 00:49:32,430 --> 00:49:34,057 It's usually the smaller countries 1123 00:49:34,057 --> 00:49:37,477 that are more agile and willing to embrace change 1124 00:49:37,477 --> 00:49:39,771 'cause they're looking for some advantage. 1125 00:49:40,605 --> 00:49:41,898 I think it's a good idea. 1126 00:49:41,898 --> 00:49:44,776 You can really be a beacon in Europe right now. 1127 00:49:44,776 --> 00:49:47,070 Concretely, how do we do this? 1128 00:49:47,070 --> 00:49:50,073 We had a really good talk about Bitcoin adoption 1129 00:49:50,073 --> 00:49:53,618 and what they can do. And they also, like Costa Rica, 1130 00:49:53,618 --> 00:49:55,370 have a lot of hydropower, 1131 00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:59,249 so we're making progress everywhere. 1132 00:49:59,249 --> 00:50:02,293 How did something with such anarchistic roots 1133 00:50:02,293 --> 00:50:05,422 end up being mined by countries? 1134 00:50:05,422 --> 00:50:08,675 narrator 1: It all started in 1849. 1135 00:50:08,675 --> 00:50:10,677 There was gold in California. 1136 00:50:10,677 --> 00:50:11,761 In the beginning, 1137 00:50:11,761 --> 00:50:13,346 if you wanted to do Bitcoin mining, 1138 00:50:13,346 --> 00:50:14,931 your home computer was good enough. 1139 00:50:14,931 --> 00:50:16,725 Which is how Satoshi racked up 1140 00:50:16,725 --> 00:50:20,186 what appears to be over a million Bitcoin. 1141 00:50:20,186 --> 00:50:21,938 But, once Bitcoin had value... 1142 00:50:21,938 --> 00:50:23,231 narrator 1: Within a short time, 1143 00:50:23,398 --> 00:50:26,484 all had caught the fever that only gold would quench. 1144 00:50:26,484 --> 00:50:28,194 ...people created specialized mining rigs 1145 00:50:28,194 --> 00:50:29,446 to increase their chances of winning. 1146 00:50:29,446 --> 00:50:31,531 narrator 1: Which made the job move faster. 1147 00:50:31,531 --> 00:50:33,450 The more people who compete, the harder it gets. 1148 00:50:33,450 --> 00:50:35,410 narrator 1: As the gold became more difficult to find... 1149 00:50:35,410 --> 00:50:38,288 Mining industrialized, becoming an arms race. 1150 00:50:38,288 --> 00:50:40,749 narrator 2: It was buckets, after buckets, after buckets. 1151 00:50:40,749 --> 00:50:43,835 Looking for the cheapest energy, the fastest miners, 1152 00:50:43,835 --> 00:50:45,295 in search of the next golden ticket. 1153 00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:48,590 reporter: Bitcoin mines generated about $70,000 a day. 1154 00:50:48,590 --> 00:50:50,717 And if you can't keep up, it stops being profitable. 1155 00:50:50,717 --> 00:50:53,303 narrator 1: As the gold gave out, people moved away. 1156 00:50:53,303 --> 00:50:54,804 Until most of the players left in the game 1157 00:50:54,804 --> 00:50:57,974 are basically billionaires who own their own power plants, 1158 00:50:57,974 --> 00:51:00,852 or countries who own the power grid. 1159 00:51:00,852 --> 00:51:02,020 It's the grand unveiling. 1160 00:51:02,020 --> 00:51:04,314 I think there's a couple hundred in here. 1161 00:51:04,314 --> 00:51:05,523 It's a 40-foot container. 1162 00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:09,277 Requiring about 0.5% of all the energy. 1163 00:51:09,277 --> 00:51:12,906 And it requires increasing amounts of energy consumption 1164 00:51:12,906 --> 00:51:14,866 as more miners compete. 1165 00:51:14,866 --> 00:51:17,494 And while you might think that's pretty terrible... 1166 00:51:17,494 --> 00:51:19,579 ...compounding a climate catastrophe, 1167 00:51:19,579 --> 00:51:22,207 if you've ever heard of petrodollars, 1168 00:51:22,207 --> 00:51:23,833 that's because Nixon ditched the gold standard 1169 00:51:23,833 --> 00:51:26,670 and intertwined the US dollar with the oil trade. 1170 00:51:26,670 --> 00:51:28,505 The effect of this action, in other words, 1171 00:51:28,505 --> 00:51:31,508 will be to stabilize the dollar. 1172 00:51:31,508 --> 00:51:33,426 Which helped solidify the dollar's status 1173 00:51:33,426 --> 00:51:35,345 as the global reserve currency, 1174 00:51:35,345 --> 00:51:38,014 but kinda kept us dependent on oil. 1175 00:51:38,014 --> 00:51:39,724 So, maybe it's just the nature of money 1176 00:51:39,724 --> 00:51:42,310 that it's based on things that people value. 1177 00:51:42,310 --> 00:51:45,230 Which is to say, a currency derived from electricity 1178 00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:47,357 might pose a real threat to the dollar 1179 00:51:47,357 --> 00:51:49,234 if it gained in popularity. 1180 00:51:49,234 --> 00:51:51,569 Assuming it actually worked. 1181 00:51:55,865 --> 00:51:59,536 You see, Bitcoin's original design had a fatal flaw. 1182 00:51:59,536 --> 00:52:01,579 reporter 1: Well, computer giant Dell announcing today 1183 00:52:01,579 --> 00:52:04,290 - it will accept Bitcoin. - reporter 2: Sacramento Kings to accept Bitcoin. 1184 00:52:04,290 --> 00:52:07,335 Overstock is now accepting Bitcoin. 1185 00:52:07,335 --> 00:52:09,170 If too many people started using Bitcoin, 1186 00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:11,131 it would stop working. 1187 00:52:12,090 --> 00:52:13,550 And that's because those blocks 1188 00:52:13,550 --> 00:52:16,094 that make up Bitcoin's record keeping system, 1189 00:52:16,803 --> 00:52:19,639 they just can't hold very much information. 1190 00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:21,349 They're small. And you have to wait 1191 00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:23,309 10 minutes before another block forms. 1192 00:52:24,310 --> 00:52:26,062 So, when Bitcoin got popular, 1193 00:52:26,062 --> 00:52:27,439 your transaction would be stuck 1194 00:52:27,439 --> 00:52:30,358 in line for hours, sometimes days. 1195 00:52:30,358 --> 00:52:32,861 And since money needs to work immediately, 1196 00:52:32,861 --> 00:52:34,696 this was a disaster. 1197 00:52:34,696 --> 00:52:36,531 Transaction times are incredibly high. 1198 00:52:36,531 --> 00:52:38,575 There's a lot of people questioning long-term sustainability. 1199 00:52:38,575 --> 00:52:41,286 Stripe is getting out of the Bitcoin business. 1200 00:52:41,286 --> 00:52:43,580 So Gavin, who was still kind of 1201 00:52:43,580 --> 00:52:45,248 steering the Bitcoin ship, announced... 1202 00:52:45,248 --> 00:52:47,334 We'll definitely need to increase 1203 00:52:47,334 --> 00:52:48,793 the maximum block size. 1204 00:52:48,793 --> 00:52:52,088 In other words, make each block bigger. 1205 00:52:52,088 --> 00:52:54,424 More room for all the transactions. 1206 00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:56,092 But, not everyone agreed. 1207 00:52:56,092 --> 00:52:57,677 This is obviously a bad idea. 1208 00:52:57,677 --> 00:52:58,803 Oh, this is all bullshit. 1209 00:52:58,803 --> 00:53:01,222 These guys are bringing about the doom of Bitcoin. 1210 00:53:01,806 --> 00:53:05,435 A disagreement which resulted in a massive nerd fight, 1211 00:53:06,227 --> 00:53:09,731 known as the Blocksize War. 1212 00:53:09,731 --> 00:53:12,776 So, why were they being so apocalyptic 1213 00:53:12,776 --> 00:53:15,612 about just adding more space to each Bitcoin block? 1214 00:53:15,612 --> 00:53:17,781 The nerds had some good reasons. 1215 00:53:17,781 --> 00:53:20,033 For instance, if you could change something 1216 00:53:20,033 --> 00:53:22,118 as fundamental as the block size, 1217 00:53:22,118 --> 00:53:24,788 could you also change the total supply 1218 00:53:24,788 --> 00:53:27,123 from 21 million to 100? 1219 00:53:27,123 --> 00:53:30,752 People might lose their faith in what makes Bitcoin Bitcoin. 1220 00:53:30,752 --> 00:53:32,754 Although, to make a change like this, 1221 00:53:32,754 --> 00:53:35,340 you have to get pretty much everyone on board. 1222 00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:38,259 Otherwise, the community will split. 1223 00:53:38,259 --> 00:53:39,886 So, instead of changing Bitcoin, 1224 00:53:39,886 --> 00:53:43,431 the Small Blockers had a complex technical solution, 1225 00:53:43,431 --> 00:53:45,558 but it would take years. Meanwhile, 1226 00:53:45,558 --> 00:53:48,061 the Big Blockers wanted Bitcoin to work now, 1227 00:53:48,061 --> 00:53:49,646 not in some theoretical future. 1228 00:53:49,646 --> 00:53:52,357 Governments move slowly. We need to move quickly 1229 00:53:52,357 --> 00:53:53,775 and make this cash for the entire world 1230 00:53:53,775 --> 00:53:55,568 before the politicians even know what happened 1231 00:53:55,568 --> 00:53:57,654 and they have time to react via bigger blocks. 1232 00:53:57,654 --> 00:54:00,657 The fight became vicious, with each side 1233 00:54:00,657 --> 00:54:03,243 accusing the other of trying to destroy Bitcoin. 1234 00:54:03,243 --> 00:54:06,287 I'm not exaggerating, this is a life and death matter. 1235 00:54:06,287 --> 00:54:09,833 More babies are dying in countries around the world 1236 00:54:09,833 --> 00:54:12,252 because they have less economic freedom. 1237 00:54:12,252 --> 00:54:14,004 He's not Bitcoin Jesus. 1238 00:54:14,004 --> 00:54:15,547 He's Bitcoin Judas. 1239 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,675 He's the one that's trying to kill Bitcoin. 1240 00:54:18,675 --> 00:54:20,343 With Bitcoin essentially divided 1241 00:54:20,343 --> 00:54:22,303 between the church of small blocks 1242 00:54:22,303 --> 00:54:23,722 and the church and big blocks, 1243 00:54:23,722 --> 00:54:24,681 you might be wondering 1244 00:54:24,681 --> 00:54:26,307 where did Satoshi fall in all of this? 1245 00:54:26,307 --> 00:54:28,268 I think Satoshi handed the keys off to Gavin 1246 00:54:28,268 --> 00:54:30,520 because he viewed Gavin as a responsible steward 1247 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,355 of the future of the project. 1248 00:54:32,355 --> 00:54:33,940 But, that doesn't mean you're the leader. 1249 00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:36,109 That just means you're the guy who answers questions. 1250 00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:38,153 Well, it seemed Satoshi 1251 00:54:38,153 --> 00:54:40,822 was about to make their views known. 1252 00:54:41,573 --> 00:54:42,782 After years of silence, 1253 00:54:42,782 --> 00:54:45,702 Satoshi sends an email out to the mailing list 1254 00:54:47,037 --> 00:54:49,414 to share their concerns. 1255 00:54:49,664 --> 00:54:52,917 It's from the same address Satoshi used back in 2008. 1256 00:54:53,668 --> 00:54:56,129 The one to distribute the white paper. 1257 00:54:56,129 --> 00:54:58,256 His words were clear, harsh... 1258 00:54:58,631 --> 00:55:01,051 and firmly against Roger, Gavin, 1259 00:55:01,051 --> 00:55:02,635 and the big corporations. 1260 00:55:02,635 --> 00:55:05,138 There's a debate around whether or not 1261 00:55:05,138 --> 00:55:07,557 that was, like, legitimate. 1262 00:55:07,557 --> 00:55:10,769 But, whoever had access to Satoshi's email 1263 00:55:10,769 --> 00:55:13,438 was somewhat aligned with Blockstream, 1264 00:55:13,438 --> 00:55:15,940 with their angle on the scaling debate. 1265 00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:18,568 While some question the email's authenticity, 1266 00:55:18,568 --> 00:55:22,405 it placed Satoshi squarely on Blockstream's side. 1267 00:55:25,658 --> 00:55:28,953 And then, as if sent from digital heaven, 1268 00:55:29,371 --> 00:55:31,331 Satoshi appeared in the flesh. 1269 00:55:31,331 --> 00:55:33,625 He was apparently an Australian fellow... 1270 00:55:35,168 --> 00:55:37,796 named Craig Wright. 1271 00:55:37,796 --> 00:55:41,925 So, you're gonna show me that Satoshi Nakamoto is you? 1272 00:55:43,802 --> 00:55:45,011 Yes. 1273 00:55:45,011 --> 00:55:47,013 I do think Craig is Satoshi. 1274 00:55:47,013 --> 00:55:48,348 I met with him in London. 1275 00:55:48,348 --> 00:55:51,476 Uh, he fits the kind of person 1276 00:55:51,476 --> 00:55:55,146 that I was interacting with way back in 2010, 1277 00:55:55,146 --> 00:55:59,317 and he provided some cryptographic proof. 1278 00:55:59,317 --> 00:56:01,403 Miraculously, this Satoshi 1279 00:56:01,403 --> 00:56:03,571 was on Gavin and Roger's side. 1280 00:56:03,988 --> 00:56:05,615 At first, it seemed wonderful because, oh, 1281 00:56:05,615 --> 00:56:07,409 Satoshi's back, and he's a Big Blocker. 1282 00:56:07,409 --> 00:56:09,285 Raise the block size. 1283 00:56:09,285 --> 00:56:11,371 Very quickly, people figured out 1284 00:56:11,371 --> 00:56:13,039 this is obviously bullshit. 1285 00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,417 It seems like he'd fake the evidence 1286 00:56:15,417 --> 00:56:18,128 by backdating his cryptographic proof. 1287 00:56:18,128 --> 00:56:19,963 Craig Wright is incredibly convincing. 1288 00:56:19,963 --> 00:56:22,549 For me, he's proved it 1289 00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:23,800 beyond a reasonable doubt. 1290 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,510 But, if you dig deep enough, long enough, 1291 00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:27,470 the inconsistencies will emerge. 1292 00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:30,765 Yeah, I-I have to be careful about talking about that topic 1293 00:56:30,765 --> 00:56:33,351 because he, uh, sued me at some point. 1294 00:56:33,351 --> 00:56:34,769 -Who did? - Craig. 1295 00:56:34,769 --> 00:56:36,062 - He sued-- -For what? 1296 00:56:36,062 --> 00:56:37,564 For libel. He sued a lot of people. 1297 00:56:37,564 --> 00:56:39,858 Well, that's something to look forward to. 1298 00:56:43,445 --> 00:56:46,114 To me, Craig Wright was the death blow in the war. 1299 00:56:47,365 --> 00:56:50,785 "Death blow" is a strong word, but something close to that. 1300 00:56:52,454 --> 00:56:54,080 Thanks, Craig. 1301 00:56:55,206 --> 00:56:56,499 We got lucky. 1302 00:56:56,499 --> 00:56:58,209 The Blocksize War went the right way. 1303 00:56:58,209 --> 00:57:00,378 The Blocksize War was over, 1304 00:57:00,378 --> 00:57:02,380 and the Small Blockers had won. 1305 00:57:03,089 --> 00:57:06,217 The victor writes history. Yeah. 1306 00:57:06,217 --> 00:57:08,678 O'Leary: They established themselves as 1307 00:57:08,678 --> 00:57:10,722 the ideological authority on Bitcoin. 1308 00:57:11,097 --> 00:57:14,559 But, had Satoshi simply regained control? 1309 00:57:16,561 --> 00:57:18,605 It took the Small Blockers almost a decade 1310 00:57:18,605 --> 00:57:20,190 to make their plan work. 1311 00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:21,900 None of that Starbucks bullshit! 1312 00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:24,694 You could buy coffee with Bitcoin, 1313 00:57:24,694 --> 00:57:27,238 which is why countries were now able to adopt it. 1314 00:57:27,238 --> 00:57:30,950 But, it required the support of companies like Blockstream. 1315 00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:33,745 Cheers. You're not supposed to cheers coffee. 1316 00:57:33,745 --> 00:57:35,538 And these companies would take a small cut 1317 00:57:35,538 --> 00:57:38,708 out of every transaction. Meaning it ain't... 1318 00:57:38,708 --> 00:57:41,002 Permissionless electronic cash for the internet. 1319 00:57:41,419 --> 00:57:45,256 Which fueled theories that they had ulterior motives. 1320 00:57:45,674 --> 00:57:47,217 It's been delayed by at least a decade, if not more, 1321 00:57:47,217 --> 00:57:49,678 because of this, uh, block size limit that was imposed, 1322 00:57:49,678 --> 00:57:53,056 and probably covert government agents helping it along. 1323 00:57:53,056 --> 00:57:56,559 -Yeah, so I guess we'll just go-- - Peter Todd. 1324 00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:57,727 Sorry, what was that? 1325 00:57:57,727 --> 00:57:59,688 I said Peter Todd, for one. 1326 00:58:00,438 --> 00:58:04,401 Wait. Roger thought Peter Todd was working for the government? 1327 00:58:05,694 --> 00:58:07,779 What-What indication did you have 1328 00:58:07,779 --> 00:58:09,447 that he was, 1329 00:58:09,447 --> 00:58:11,908 perhaps, collaborating with the government? 1330 00:58:11,908 --> 00:58:14,035 The things he was advocating that should happen with Bitcoin 1331 00:58:14,035 --> 00:58:16,413 were counterproductive to Bitcoin being usable 1332 00:58:16,413 --> 00:58:17,956 as cash and usable as money. 1333 00:58:19,290 --> 00:58:20,583 Prior to 2013, 1334 00:58:20,583 --> 00:58:22,502 pretty much all of Peter Todd's history 1335 00:58:22,502 --> 00:58:24,629 appears to be wiped from the internet. 1336 00:58:25,755 --> 00:58:27,841 I finally found his personal website. 1337 00:58:27,841 --> 00:58:29,592 2001... 1338 00:58:29,592 --> 00:58:30,927 Where, in high school, 1339 00:58:30,927 --> 00:58:33,430 when he was communicating with the cypherpunks, 1340 00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:34,931 he joked that in the event 1341 00:58:34,931 --> 00:58:37,600 he becomes an evil dictator who takes over the world, 1342 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,894 he was screwed up from childhood. 1343 00:58:40,353 --> 00:58:42,689 His father was an economist, 1344 00:58:42,689 --> 00:58:44,941 and his mother taught him about encryption. 1345 00:58:44,941 --> 00:58:47,944 And while Peter Todd might have worked for... 1346 00:58:47,944 --> 00:58:49,779 A company manufacturing gyroscopes 1347 00:58:49,779 --> 00:58:52,157 for drones in the military. 1348 00:58:52,157 --> 00:58:56,036 ...being in the CIA obviously wasn't on his resume. 1349 00:58:56,036 --> 00:58:59,581 Or whatever the fuck Canada's intelligence agency's called. 1350 00:58:59,581 --> 00:59:01,583 But, Roger brought up something suspicious. 1351 00:59:01,583 --> 00:59:04,294 Later, somebody leaked this email exchange from him, 1352 00:59:04,294 --> 00:59:05,462 and that guy openly claimed 1353 00:59:05,462 --> 00:59:07,213 that he was working for the US government. 1354 00:59:07,213 --> 00:59:09,007 Anybody who looks on Google 1355 00:59:09,007 --> 00:59:12,302 and searches, "Peter Todd leaked emails" will see... 1356 00:59:12,302 --> 00:59:15,722 Back in 2013, there was this email thread 1357 00:59:15,722 --> 00:59:17,849 that had been leaked between Peter Todd 1358 00:59:17,849 --> 00:59:20,685 and a guy who called himself John Dillon. 1359 00:59:20,685 --> 00:59:22,228 And in the emails, 1360 00:59:22,228 --> 00:59:25,398 Peter Todd was conspiring with this other guy 1361 00:59:25,398 --> 00:59:29,027 who was affiliated with state actors. 1362 00:59:29,027 --> 00:59:31,029 With John Dillon claiming, 1363 00:59:31,029 --> 00:59:32,989 "My day job involves intelligence, 1364 00:59:32,989 --> 00:59:35,950 and I'm in a relatively high position." 1365 00:59:35,950 --> 00:59:39,162 Maybe Amir just wasn't aware of this at the time. 1366 00:59:39,996 --> 00:59:41,790 If it looks like something's coming into existence 1367 00:59:41,790 --> 00:59:44,668 that could replace the US dollar as the world's reserve currency, 1368 00:59:44,668 --> 00:59:46,878 the US government and its three-letter agencies 1369 00:59:46,878 --> 00:59:49,881 absolutely, without any doubt, will do whatever they can, 1370 00:59:49,881 --> 00:59:52,550 including secretly and covertly disrupting projects 1371 00:59:52,550 --> 00:59:53,718 like Bitcoin. 1372 00:59:54,094 --> 00:59:56,763 If the government wanted to undermine Bitcoin, 1373 00:59:56,763 --> 00:59:59,349 or try to get close to Satoshi, how might they do it? 1374 00:59:59,349 --> 01:00:01,851 A guy that openly said that he was working for a three-letter agency 1375 01:00:01,851 --> 01:00:03,228 literally paid Peter Todd 1376 01:00:03,228 --> 01:00:05,897 to implement what's called replace-by-fee. 1377 01:00:05,897 --> 01:00:09,901 John Dillon offered a strangely small $500 reward 1378 01:00:09,901 --> 01:00:12,028 for anyone who could design replace-by-fee. 1379 01:00:12,028 --> 01:00:14,739 It was essentially a bidding service. 1380 01:00:14,739 --> 01:00:18,785 If you pay more, you can send your Bitcoin faster. 1381 01:00:18,785 --> 01:00:20,787 Replace-by-fee was an attempt 1382 01:00:20,787 --> 01:00:23,748 to fix one of Bitcoin's design problems. 1383 01:00:24,207 --> 01:00:26,710 Something that Satoshi had speculated on 1384 01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:29,254 just before disappearing from the forums. 1385 01:00:29,838 --> 01:00:32,590 And Satoshi knew it would be a fair amount of work. 1386 01:00:32,590 --> 01:00:35,719 So, why would Peter Todd do it for 500 bucks? 1387 01:00:36,177 --> 01:00:39,472 On the forums, John Dillon publicly prodded Peter Todd to, 1388 01:00:39,472 --> 01:00:42,100 "Write some code for once." 1389 01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:44,686 And so, in 2013, 1390 01:00:44,686 --> 01:00:47,605 about three years after Satoshi's disappearance, 1391 01:00:47,605 --> 01:00:50,316 Peter Todd solves this design problem. 1392 01:00:50,316 --> 01:00:52,068 I played that little part, 1393 01:00:52,068 --> 01:00:54,154 creating this replace-by-fee patch. 1394 01:00:54,154 --> 01:00:57,240 Which the Big Blockers thought was a terrible idea 1395 01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,868 because it could result in some really high fees 1396 01:00:59,868 --> 01:01:01,745 just to send some Bitcoin. 1397 01:01:02,162 --> 01:01:04,039 Peter Todd, whether he's a government agent, 1398 01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:06,207 he's absolutely a super smart guy. 1399 01:01:06,207 --> 01:01:07,751 He's gotta be the smartest guy in the room. 1400 01:01:07,751 --> 01:01:09,085 He always wants to make sure he can prove 1401 01:01:09,085 --> 01:01:10,587 that he's the smartest guy in the room. 1402 01:01:10,587 --> 01:01:13,048 So, is anyone in this audience 1403 01:01:13,048 --> 01:01:14,758 working for government right now? 1404 01:01:16,092 --> 01:01:17,969 Because if you are, I guess I'm one of the people 1405 01:01:17,969 --> 01:01:21,056 handling negotiation with government. 1406 01:01:21,056 --> 01:01:22,599 Even the email exchange 1407 01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:25,393 made Peter Todd look pretty damn smart. 1408 01:01:25,393 --> 01:01:26,603 But after the leak, 1409 01:01:26,603 --> 01:01:28,772 John Dillon disappeared for good. 1410 01:01:28,772 --> 01:01:31,149 As far as I know, Peter Todd never denied any of that. 1411 01:01:31,149 --> 01:01:33,777 I think that's pretty much accepted as fact at this point. 1412 01:01:33,777 --> 01:01:35,904 I found myself wondering 1413 01:01:35,904 --> 01:01:39,074 if maybe he did work for the government in some way. 1414 01:01:39,074 --> 01:01:42,452 So, how close were you with Blockstream back in the day? 1415 01:01:42,452 --> 01:01:43,453 -Me? -Yeah. 1416 01:01:43,453 --> 01:01:45,789 Uh, mostly, I went to their office, 1417 01:01:45,789 --> 01:01:47,624 uh, drink all their Red Bull. 1418 01:01:47,624 --> 01:01:49,793 I'd go and eat all their snacks. 1419 01:01:49,793 --> 01:01:51,544 Yeah, yeah. I mean, they'd never pay me, 1420 01:01:51,544 --> 01:01:54,047 but I might as well get paid in all other possible ways. 1421 01:01:54,506 --> 01:01:57,967 So, he was just strategically close to Adam. 1422 01:01:57,967 --> 01:02:00,512 Well, Adam seems to respect you a lot. 1423 01:02:01,805 --> 01:02:05,100 Meh, I mean I guess I have reasonable ideas. 1424 01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:08,103 It's not that hard. Adam respects plenty of people. 1425 01:02:08,103 --> 01:02:10,480 - I think he thinks of you like a son. - A son. 1426 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,273 Yeah. I mean, I first talked to him 1427 01:02:12,273 --> 01:02:15,235 when I was, like, a teenager. 1428 01:02:15,235 --> 01:02:16,611 It's probably part of it. 1429 01:02:17,946 --> 01:02:20,031 They've got a lot of conspiracies about you. 1430 01:02:20,031 --> 01:02:21,324 Well, they should. 1431 01:02:21,324 --> 01:02:23,910 Don't you know I, like, worked for the CIA, NSA, 1432 01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:25,995 and also KGB at the same time? 1433 01:02:25,995 --> 01:02:29,165 Well, they like to point at that email dump that happened. 1434 01:02:29,165 --> 01:02:31,292 Oh, yeah, yeah, the John Dillon bullshit. 1435 01:02:31,292 --> 01:02:33,670 -Did you release that? - I have no idea who that guy is. 1436 01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:35,880 -Really? - I mean, you know, people go 1437 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,340 and email you all the time, 1438 01:02:37,340 --> 01:02:40,343 like, telling you all kinds of bullshit. 1439 01:02:40,343 --> 01:02:42,345 Looked like you were trying to solve a lot of problems 1440 01:02:42,345 --> 01:02:44,681 - with him at the time, and, uh-- - No, I mean-- 1441 01:02:44,681 --> 01:02:45,974 And there was, like, concerns 1442 01:02:45,974 --> 01:02:48,143 that, I guess that John Dillon guy 1443 01:02:48,143 --> 01:02:50,186 was like under-- was like, an agent or something and then-- 1444 01:02:50,186 --> 01:02:52,230 The guy explicitly claimed he was, uh, 1445 01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:54,691 you know, working for the US government intelligence. 1446 01:02:54,691 --> 01:02:56,693 But, you know, is that true or not? 1447 01:02:56,693 --> 01:02:58,570 Who the fuck knows? Like, 1448 01:02:58,945 --> 01:03:00,030 the problem with all this stuff 1449 01:03:00,030 --> 01:03:02,866 is people play all kinds of crazy games. 1450 01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:04,075 Could be a 4chan troll. 1451 01:03:04,075 --> 01:03:05,827 Like, that's just the reality of it. 1452 01:03:05,827 --> 01:03:06,870 You just don't know. 1453 01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:08,371 In that email chain, 1454 01:03:08,371 --> 01:03:11,249 there was one thing that the John Dillon guy said, 1455 01:03:11,249 --> 01:03:12,500 where he was like, 1456 01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:15,128 "If the US government wanted to fuck up Bitcoin, 1457 01:03:15,128 --> 01:03:18,298 - here's the strategy that they might take." -Well, yeah... 1458 01:03:18,298 --> 01:03:20,175 If you wanted to go screw with Bitcoin, 1459 01:03:20,175 --> 01:03:23,053 one of the things you do is try to convince the coding community 1460 01:03:23,053 --> 01:03:25,388 to go splinter up into, like, five different efforts. 1461 01:03:25,388 --> 01:03:28,892 Which is what happened after the Blocksize War. 1462 01:03:29,267 --> 01:03:32,228 Because if you couldn't change Bitcoin, 1463 01:03:32,228 --> 01:03:35,857 why not just make your own coin? 1464 01:03:36,399 --> 01:03:39,152 ♪ Pump it up, you've got to pump it up ♪ 1465 01:03:39,152 --> 01:03:41,237 ♪ Don't you know, pump it up ♪ 1466 01:03:41,237 --> 01:03:43,156 ♪ You've got to pump it up ♪ 1467 01:03:43,156 --> 01:03:46,034 Soon, dozens, then hundreds, 1468 01:03:46,034 --> 01:03:48,828 then thousands of alternate coins revved up, 1469 01:03:48,828 --> 01:03:50,080 each coin proclaiming to offer 1470 01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,248 something different from Bitcoin. 1471 01:03:52,248 --> 01:03:55,418 You could even bank while you wank. 1472 01:03:55,418 --> 01:03:57,754 newscaster: It's unbelievable how much this has taken off. 1473 01:03:57,754 --> 01:03:59,798 The crypto industry exploded. 1474 01:03:59,798 --> 01:04:04,094 Bitconne... ct! 1475 01:04:04,094 --> 01:04:05,720 Like the stock market, 1476 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,639 you could bet that these alt coins 1477 01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:09,432 would boom in value, and many did, 1478 01:04:09,432 --> 01:04:13,019 with some coins 10-X-ing or 100-X-ing in value. 1479 01:04:13,019 --> 01:04:14,938 Wall Street now had competition. 1480 01:04:14,938 --> 01:04:17,565 You heard it here first! Bitcoin is going to zero! 1481 01:04:17,565 --> 01:04:20,443 Virtually unregulated competition. 1482 01:04:20,443 --> 01:04:22,529 Dogecoin to the moon! 1483 01:04:24,114 --> 01:04:25,448 Which couldn't last. 1484 01:04:32,831 --> 01:04:36,626 And now, the mark-- Oh! Ow! It went to zero! 1485 01:04:36,626 --> 01:04:38,795 By the end of the year, the bubble burst louder 1486 01:04:38,795 --> 01:04:42,048 than the stock market did in the early 2000s. 1487 01:04:42,048 --> 01:04:45,677 Bitcoin's value cut in half from its all-time high, 1488 01:04:45,677 --> 01:04:47,512 with the crypto casino 1489 01:04:47,512 --> 01:04:51,099 just making the whole industry seem stupid. 1490 01:04:51,099 --> 01:04:53,560 crypto investor: It sucks. I mean, I've lost 1491 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,395 over $100,000 right now. 1492 01:04:55,395 --> 01:04:58,106 Yo! The motherfucking coins are dipping! 1493 01:04:58,106 --> 01:05:00,567 Why is the price falling so low? 1494 01:05:00,567 --> 01:05:02,610 I've never cried so much 1495 01:05:02,610 --> 01:05:05,196 in my grown-ass adult life. 1496 01:05:05,196 --> 01:05:07,490 It hurts. Um... 1497 01:05:08,616 --> 01:05:09,659 Yeah. 1498 01:05:09,826 --> 01:05:12,454 Nouriel Roubini: These shitcoins, they were outright scams 1499 01:05:12,454 --> 01:05:14,164 and frauds. If there were real shitcoins, 1500 01:05:14,164 --> 01:05:17,834 you could use them as manure to fertilize food. 1501 01:05:17,834 --> 01:05:20,837 I would rather buy shit, literally shit, 1502 01:05:20,837 --> 01:05:23,340 that's worth something, is a good fertilizer, 1503 01:05:23,340 --> 01:05:24,507 than buying shitcoins. 1504 01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:27,552 So, how could Bitcoin separate itself from the pack? 1505 01:05:27,552 --> 01:05:29,095 choir: ♪ Hallelujah ♪ 1506 01:05:29,095 --> 01:05:31,431 The answer was Bitcoin maximalism. 1507 01:05:31,431 --> 01:05:33,558 Bitcoin is perfect. It's perfect money. 1508 01:05:33,558 --> 01:05:35,352 singer: ♪ Hallelujah ♪ 1509 01:05:35,352 --> 01:05:36,936 It was salvation from the shitcoins. 1510 01:05:36,936 --> 01:05:39,397 A gift from on high. 1511 01:05:39,397 --> 01:05:42,150 Bitcoin is what they call the Immaculate Conception. 1512 01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:44,569 The cure to all the world's problems. 1513 01:05:44,569 --> 01:05:47,906 This idea that Bitcoin was born perfect, you know? 1514 01:05:47,906 --> 01:05:50,116 It just, like, emerged from the mind of Satoshi, 1515 01:05:50,116 --> 01:05:52,619 almost like a gift that was received from God, 1516 01:05:52,619 --> 01:05:55,830 and just, like, perfectly articulated into the white paper, 1517 01:05:55,830 --> 01:05:57,123 and then into the code. 1518 01:05:57,123 --> 01:05:58,249 That's a complete myth. 1519 01:05:58,416 --> 01:06:00,502 So Bitcoin's greatest "virtue" 1520 01:06:00,502 --> 01:06:03,046 became that it was already perfect, 1521 01:06:03,046 --> 01:06:06,549 reinforcing that it could never fundamentally change. 1522 01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:10,303 Which created an opening for its greatest competition. 1523 01:06:10,762 --> 01:06:12,889 Ethereum, a coin which was 1524 01:06:12,889 --> 01:06:15,016 Bitcoin's opposite in almost every way, 1525 01:06:15,016 --> 01:06:17,727 including having a very prominent founder. 1526 01:06:17,727 --> 01:06:20,271 - Why the hat? - Oh, yeah... 1527 01:06:20,271 --> 01:06:21,439 For mosquitoes? 1528 01:06:25,902 --> 01:06:27,987 So, Bitcoin is a blockchain 1529 01:06:27,987 --> 01:06:29,948 that's designed for one application. 1530 01:06:29,948 --> 01:06:33,743 The hat makes you even more... conspicious. 1531 01:06:33,743 --> 01:06:35,620 Vitalik Buterin: Ethereum basically will let people do 1532 01:06:35,620 --> 01:06:38,081 whatever thing that they want to do on top of it. 1533 01:06:38,081 --> 01:06:40,166 Like NFTs, 1534 01:06:40,166 --> 01:06:42,627 which are basically just... whatever fucking shit 1535 01:06:42,627 --> 01:06:44,170 stored on a blockchain. 1536 01:06:44,170 --> 01:06:46,631 - We're part of the same community. We're both apes. - I know. Yes, love it. 1537 01:06:46,631 --> 01:06:49,426 Some people paid ungodly amounts for these. 1538 01:06:50,593 --> 01:06:53,346 The Ethereum team even made their announcements 1539 01:06:53,346 --> 01:06:56,224 through... rap. 1540 01:06:56,224 --> 01:06:58,727 ♪ Yo, not just a pre-compiler change of op-codes ♪ 1541 01:06:58,727 --> 01:07:01,479 ♪ We're here to sustain the scale of our full nodes ♪ 1542 01:07:01,479 --> 01:07:03,815 ♪ Proof-of-stake is hard, but what I do know ♪ 1543 01:07:03,815 --> 01:07:06,776 ♪ Is when we learn to shard we'll change the whole game though ♪ 1544 01:07:06,776 --> 01:07:09,487 I mean, that was super embarrassing, right? 1545 01:07:09,487 --> 01:07:10,655 Yeah. 1546 01:07:10,655 --> 01:07:12,073 Proof of cringe or something. 1547 01:07:12,073 --> 01:07:13,908 That was pretty bad. 1548 01:07:13,908 --> 01:07:16,870 Naturally, Bitcoin maximalists hate Ethereum. 1549 01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:19,539 But then, what do you do with Ethereum? You make more shitcoins. 1550 01:07:19,539 --> 01:07:22,083 It went from 10,000 coins to 20,000 coins 1551 01:07:22,083 --> 01:07:24,461 in actually not that long of a period of time. 1552 01:07:24,461 --> 01:07:26,296 The Scambrian explosion. 1553 01:07:29,716 --> 01:07:32,844 But, the so-called Scambrian explosion 1554 01:07:32,844 --> 01:07:35,805 had a serious side effect. 1555 01:07:35,805 --> 01:07:38,016 China now had the excuse it needed 1556 01:07:38,016 --> 01:07:40,894 to ban all crypto currencies, 1557 01:07:40,894 --> 01:07:42,979 so that they could launch their own. 1558 01:07:42,979 --> 01:07:45,690 China's currency is going digital, 1559 01:07:45,690 --> 01:07:48,443 known as e-Chinese yuan. 1560 01:07:48,443 --> 01:07:52,155 It was basically a government-backed shitcoin. 1561 01:07:52,155 --> 01:07:54,199 Their digital currency was inflationary, 1562 01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:56,951 their government had total control of your wallet, 1563 01:07:56,951 --> 01:07:58,745 and it took Bitcoin's privacy problems 1564 01:07:58,745 --> 01:08:00,372 and turned them into a feature. 1565 01:08:00,372 --> 01:08:03,291 speaker: The People's Bank of China is gonna be able 1566 01:08:03,291 --> 01:08:06,670 to peer inside of every single transaction. 1567 01:08:06,670 --> 01:08:10,173 So, they're building everything to be monitored. 1568 01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:14,177 So, there were protests in Hong Kong. 1569 01:08:14,177 --> 01:08:15,303 And what people had to do 1570 01:08:15,303 --> 01:08:16,930 was buy their subway tickets with cash. 1571 01:08:16,930 --> 01:08:18,848 - They couldn't use their card. -Mm-hmm. Yeah. 1572 01:08:18,848 --> 01:08:20,183 Because then you can be traced 1573 01:08:20,183 --> 01:08:21,685 that you went to the protests. 1574 01:08:21,685 --> 01:08:23,311 So, it's a very dangerous thing. 1575 01:08:23,311 --> 01:08:26,398 It's what's known as a CBDC, 1576 01:08:26,398 --> 01:08:28,983 or central bank digital currency. 1577 01:08:28,983 --> 01:08:31,444 With Bitcoin, it still takes some digging 1578 01:08:31,444 --> 01:08:33,405 to figure out who owns what. 1579 01:08:33,405 --> 01:08:35,448 And if you're careful, or you're Satoshi 1580 01:08:35,448 --> 01:08:38,702 and never spend your coins, you can stay hidden. 1581 01:08:38,702 --> 01:08:41,913 But, with CBDCs, your identity is known to the government 1582 01:08:41,913 --> 01:08:44,457 and your wallet controlled. 1583 01:08:44,457 --> 01:08:46,960 In other words, Satoshi's invention 1584 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,422 had given rise to the very thing it aimed to prevent. 1585 01:08:51,381 --> 01:08:55,719 What would happen if other countries followed suit? 1586 01:08:58,513 --> 01:09:02,225 But, the Maxis were convinced that Bitcoin would win the day, 1587 01:09:02,225 --> 01:09:04,144 putting their faith on display 1588 01:09:04,144 --> 01:09:06,813 by pilgrimaging to a massive yearly conference. 1589 01:09:06,813 --> 01:09:08,523 And it's ridiculous. 1590 01:09:13,570 --> 01:09:15,864 I'll die on this hill, but they can't stop this idea. 1591 01:09:15,864 --> 01:09:18,658 That bright orange future that is Bitcoin... 1592 01:09:18,658 --> 01:09:22,078 We are the vanguard of a new monetary system. 1593 01:09:23,246 --> 01:09:25,498 Yo! Yo! Yo! Bitcoin! 1594 01:09:25,498 --> 01:09:28,793 I am more bullish than ever on Bitcoin. 1595 01:09:30,128 --> 01:09:32,130 It's like you're in some sort of cult. 1596 01:09:32,130 --> 01:09:34,424 You're gonna make me look bad. 1597 01:09:34,424 --> 01:09:37,802 I have Senator Indira Kempis 1598 01:09:37,802 --> 01:09:39,429 to give an update on Mexico. 1599 01:09:39,429 --> 01:09:42,307 Indira Kempis: 67 million people are not included 1600 01:09:42,307 --> 01:09:43,600 in our financial system. 1601 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,436 As the president of Madeira, I believe in Bitcoin. 1602 01:09:46,436 --> 01:09:49,147 Bitcoin, within Prospera, 1603 01:09:49,147 --> 01:09:51,149 operates as legal tender. 1604 01:09:51,149 --> 01:09:53,818 I'll make a small announcement. 1605 01:09:54,527 --> 01:09:57,489 I have a new Bitcoin company called Jan3. 1606 01:09:58,156 --> 01:10:00,116 I decided to leave Blockstream 1607 01:10:00,116 --> 01:10:02,285 and focus more on nation-state Bitcoin adoption. 1608 01:10:02,285 --> 01:10:05,330 So, were they feeling the pressure? 1609 01:10:06,664 --> 01:10:09,334 I guess Bitcoin doesn't adopt itself, right? 1610 01:10:09,334 --> 01:10:12,712 Well, I want it to go faster. 1611 01:10:12,712 --> 01:10:15,507 So, uh, your company name, 3Jan? 1612 01:10:15,507 --> 01:10:18,051 - Jan3. - So, explain why 3Jan? 1613 01:10:18,051 --> 01:10:20,470 January 3, 2009. 1614 01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:21,805 That was the start of Bitcoin, was it? 1615 01:10:21,805 --> 01:10:23,473 - Well, that's the Genesis Block, right? - Okay! 1616 01:10:23,473 --> 01:10:25,183 Every year, it's Jan 3 is the anniversary 1617 01:10:25,183 --> 01:10:27,686 - of the Genesis Block. - Alright, yeah, you're good on the anniversaries. 1618 01:10:27,686 --> 01:10:29,938 Samson was telling me there was another anniversary recently 1619 01:10:29,938 --> 01:10:33,692 - that I did not know of. - Yeah, uh, Adam's birthday on April 5th. 1620 01:10:35,735 --> 01:10:37,362 - That's not my birthday. - Inside joke. 1621 01:10:37,362 --> 01:10:40,073 - Is it? Very well. - It's an inside joke. 1622 01:10:40,073 --> 01:10:41,616 April 5th 1623 01:10:41,616 --> 01:10:44,285 was Satoshi's supposed birthday. 1624 01:10:44,285 --> 01:10:47,330 -She wants to take a photo with her artwork. -Okay. 1625 01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:49,666 - It has no sleeve, right? - No. 1626 01:10:49,666 --> 01:10:51,376 - It's a cloak? Alright. - It's a cloak. 1627 01:10:51,376 --> 01:10:54,295 You guys are having fun now. 1628 01:10:56,673 --> 01:10:58,842 So, he thinks that you're Satoshi. 1629 01:10:58,842 --> 01:11:00,593 I hope he doesn't. 1630 01:11:00,593 --> 01:11:02,846 I tried to explain to him specifically that I'm not. 1631 01:11:02,846 --> 01:11:04,973 I said that you can make a case for Adam, 1632 01:11:04,973 --> 01:11:06,307 and you can make a strong case, 1633 01:11:06,307 --> 01:11:07,851 but it doesn't mean that I'm convinced. 1634 01:11:07,851 --> 01:11:09,978 No, Satoshi was a team. 1635 01:11:12,856 --> 01:11:14,149 Just kidding. Just kidding. 1636 01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:16,860 Even with the breakup, I was a little surprised 1637 01:11:16,860 --> 01:11:20,739 he was trolling Adam this hard about being Satoshi. 1638 01:11:24,868 --> 01:11:27,037 Yeah, yeah, as long as the troll is on your side. 1639 01:11:42,385 --> 01:11:44,095 Oh, boy. 1640 01:11:44,554 --> 01:11:47,182 The US had more or less fought wars 1641 01:11:47,182 --> 01:11:48,767 to maintain the status of the dollar 1642 01:11:48,767 --> 01:11:50,518 as the global reserve currency. 1643 01:11:50,518 --> 01:11:52,228 - Let's order a coffee. - Okay. 1644 01:11:52,228 --> 01:11:53,646 How might they react 1645 01:11:53,646 --> 01:11:55,565 if more countries adopted Bitcoin? 1646 01:11:55,565 --> 01:11:56,608 I'm not gonna lie. 1647 01:11:56,608 --> 01:11:57,901 You're probably gonna get some heat 1648 01:11:58,026 --> 01:12:00,737 because the powers that be don't want this to happen. 1649 01:12:00,737 --> 01:12:03,782 Prince Philip: All currencies will turn to one. 1650 01:12:03,782 --> 01:12:04,616 Bitcoin. 1651 01:12:04,616 --> 01:12:06,117 Things change very quickly. 1652 01:12:06,117 --> 01:12:09,245 Tucker, I just wanna say hi. You're doing an excellent job. 1653 01:12:09,245 --> 01:12:11,206 That's my card. 1654 01:12:11,206 --> 01:12:14,084 I'm the crazy prince that's talking about Bitcoin. 1655 01:12:14,084 --> 01:12:16,419 But, you know how it is. They-- First, they laugh at you. 1656 01:12:18,296 --> 01:12:19,714 Stealth mode. 1657 01:12:19,714 --> 01:12:22,092 That's not stealth. That's a Canada hoodie. 1658 01:12:27,889 --> 01:12:29,766 Jack Dorsey: What Bitcoin does to societies, 1659 01:12:29,766 --> 01:12:32,018 what it does to people's relationship with money, 1660 01:12:32,018 --> 01:12:35,647 to the state, to each other, it literally changes everything. 1661 01:12:36,398 --> 01:12:38,650 But, what path would it take? 1662 01:12:40,568 --> 01:12:43,405 Today, Bitcoin takes yet another turn lower. 1663 01:12:43,405 --> 01:12:45,490 This is a Bitcoin emergency. 1664 01:12:45,490 --> 01:12:48,284 Complete free fall. Anything can happen. 1665 01:12:49,953 --> 01:12:52,831 There's a crisis. You've got reporters calling you right now. 1666 01:12:52,831 --> 01:12:55,792 What are you telling them? 1667 01:12:56,334 --> 01:12:58,628 Well, I mean, people look at the short term, 1668 01:12:58,628 --> 01:13:00,964 and the news cycle is, like, day by day. 1669 01:13:00,964 --> 01:13:04,384 But, Bitcoin has been around for, like, over a decade. 1670 01:13:07,804 --> 01:13:09,264 Yeah. 1671 01:13:09,264 --> 01:13:11,307 That's pretty cool. 1672 01:13:16,688 --> 01:13:18,440 Unfortunately for him, 1673 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:19,816 amidst this crash, 1674 01:13:19,816 --> 01:13:23,153 Luna was a shitcoin that really hit the fan. 1675 01:13:24,821 --> 01:13:27,490 - He had it. - Yes. 1676 01:13:27,490 --> 01:13:29,242 Looking like a Ponzi scheme... 1677 01:13:29,242 --> 01:13:30,493 You're looking at a similar scale 1678 01:13:30,493 --> 01:13:31,786 to the Madoff Ponzi. 1679 01:13:31,786 --> 01:13:33,830 ...after million-dollar Ponzi scheme... 1680 01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:36,166 Celsius is being accused of functioning 1681 01:13:36,166 --> 01:13:37,459 like a Ponzi scheme. 1682 01:13:37,459 --> 01:13:39,044 ...this was their founder. 1683 01:13:39,044 --> 01:13:42,339 Who would be crazy enough to give their coins, 1684 01:13:42,339 --> 01:13:44,883 their crypto, to somebody who's not a bank? 1685 01:13:44,883 --> 01:13:48,136 But the people who trusted this guy with their crypto, 1686 01:13:48,136 --> 01:13:49,512 they lost billions. 1687 01:13:49,512 --> 01:13:52,015 This is bullshit! I gave you my goddamn money! 1688 01:13:52,015 --> 01:13:54,726 I want it back! What the fuck is going on?! 1689 01:13:54,726 --> 01:13:56,728 Jim Cramer: Cryptocurrencies of all kinds 1690 01:13:56,728 --> 01:13:59,481 are still cascading with no real bottom in sight. 1691 01:13:59,481 --> 01:14:01,858 Is lightning serious? 1692 01:14:02,942 --> 01:14:05,195 Uh, I guess we're-we're getting the hell outta here. 1693 01:14:05,195 --> 01:14:08,198 But, this storm wasn't over. 1694 01:14:08,198 --> 01:14:09,699 FTX shocked investors 1695 01:14:09,699 --> 01:14:11,242 by declaring bankruptcy this week. 1696 01:14:11,242 --> 01:14:15,497 It spent millions making sure its name was seen and known. 1697 01:14:15,497 --> 01:14:18,750 Sam Bankman-Fried, known as SBF, 1698 01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:21,753 was the young, disheveled CEO of a massive US-based 1699 01:14:21,753 --> 01:14:24,047 crypto exchange called FTX. 1700 01:14:24,047 --> 01:14:26,466 FTX? It's a safe and easy way to get into crypto. 1701 01:14:26,466 --> 01:14:28,051 Eh, I don't think so. 1702 01:14:28,051 --> 01:14:31,262 He defrauded customers and stole billions. 1703 01:14:31,805 --> 01:14:33,723 reporter: This is worse than Theranos. 1704 01:14:33,723 --> 01:14:35,517 This is worse than Madoff. 1705 01:14:36,226 --> 01:14:38,937 And although he donated to a lot of politicians 1706 01:14:38,937 --> 01:14:39,896 and charities... 1707 01:14:39,896 --> 01:14:41,815 If I can do anything to help other people, 1708 01:14:41,815 --> 01:14:43,274 help the world, that's just as good. 1709 01:14:43,566 --> 01:14:46,778 ...he didn't manage to bribe his way out of being arrested. 1710 01:14:46,778 --> 01:14:49,614 The fraud they committed was worse than the Enron mess, 1711 01:14:49,614 --> 01:14:52,659 according to the guy who cleaned up the Enron mess. 1712 01:14:52,659 --> 01:14:54,077 They used QuickBooks. 1713 01:14:54,077 --> 01:14:56,788 Multi-billion-dollar company using QuickBooks. 1714 01:14:56,788 --> 01:14:59,249 The regulators, when they see something losing... 1715 01:15:00,583 --> 01:15:02,544 ...$60 billion of retail money, 1716 01:15:02,544 --> 01:15:04,462 then, of course, they're gonna have something to say. 1717 01:15:04,462 --> 01:15:05,755 Yeah, alright, let's get out. 1718 01:15:05,755 --> 01:15:07,966 The Secretary of the Treasury, Janet Yellen, 1719 01:15:07,966 --> 01:15:09,801 began acting on an executive order 1720 01:15:09,801 --> 01:15:13,763 that Biden had signed to rein in the crypto industry. 1721 01:15:13,763 --> 01:15:16,057 There are risks to financial stability, 1722 01:15:16,057 --> 01:15:17,475 and we need a framework. 1723 01:15:17,642 --> 01:15:20,311 But, what would this mean for Bitcoin? 1724 01:15:21,104 --> 01:15:23,898 Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. 1725 01:15:24,524 --> 01:15:26,776 It's actually more realistic than you think. 1726 01:15:28,069 --> 01:15:31,573 Hello, Melina. Good to see you again. 1727 01:15:31,573 --> 01:15:33,616 Samson returned to El Salvador, 1728 01:15:33,616 --> 01:15:35,326 where the President was facing increased 1729 01:15:35,326 --> 01:15:38,538 international pressure for having adopted Bitcoin. 1730 01:15:38,538 --> 01:15:40,206 The attacks are increasing. 1731 01:15:40,206 --> 01:15:42,167 This rating agency just downgraded 1732 01:15:42,167 --> 01:15:43,668 El Salvador's long-term debt. 1733 01:15:43,668 --> 01:15:45,337 They're trying to put the pressure on. 1734 01:15:45,337 --> 01:15:47,630 But, President doesn't give a fuck. 1735 01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:49,299 Shepard Smith: The International Monetary Fund 1736 01:15:49,299 --> 01:15:52,469 has urged El Salvador to reverse course on Bitcoin. 1737 01:15:52,469 --> 01:15:53,845 In response, Bukele tweeted, 1738 01:15:53,845 --> 01:15:56,890 "Okay, boomers. You have zero jurisdiction. 1739 01:15:56,890 --> 01:16:00,143 We are not your colony, your backyard, or your front yard." 1740 01:16:00,143 --> 01:16:02,937 William Soriano: The IMF has some political control 1741 01:16:02,937 --> 01:16:05,607 over the countries they assist. 1742 01:16:05,607 --> 01:16:07,984 And that's where Bitcoin comes in. 1743 01:16:07,984 --> 01:16:09,652 The first time I saw him, he was saying, 1744 01:16:09,652 --> 01:16:12,489 "We're ready to die on this hill. All of us! 1745 01:16:12,489 --> 01:16:13,990 We're ready to die on this hill." 1746 01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:16,785 Hope they were ready because the powers that be 1747 01:16:16,785 --> 01:16:19,287 had a plan of their own. 1748 01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,542 Okay, yeah, this is the news. So... 1749 01:16:25,418 --> 01:16:28,088 uh, MasterCard, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, and others launch 1750 01:16:28,088 --> 01:16:30,507 a 12-week experimental digital dollar pilot 1751 01:16:30,507 --> 01:16:32,550 with the New York Fed. Did you see that? 1752 01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:35,220 I didn't see that. So what, it's a CBDC? 1753 01:16:36,721 --> 01:16:38,181 Oh, interesting. 1754 01:16:40,183 --> 01:16:42,519 - Your plot is coming true. - Can I give you this? 1755 01:16:42,519 --> 01:16:44,187 Things are heating up. 1756 01:16:44,187 --> 01:16:46,523 Can I give you some fiat? 1757 01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:50,527 Under the cover of the FTX scandal, 1758 01:16:50,527 --> 01:16:51,820 the United States announced 1759 01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:56,074 it would explore remaking the US Dollar as a CBDC. 1760 01:16:56,866 --> 01:16:59,869 You know, that thing that was condemned by Western media 1761 01:16:59,869 --> 01:17:03,456 and US politicians over human rights issues. 1762 01:17:03,748 --> 01:17:06,584 The Chinese CBDC is a surveillance tool. 1763 01:17:07,043 --> 01:17:09,838 But now, the West was preparing to get on board. 1764 01:17:09,838 --> 01:17:12,048 The Fed even had their own white paper. 1765 01:17:12,048 --> 01:17:14,050 Jerome Powell: As our white paper on this topic notes, 1766 01:17:14,050 --> 01:17:17,637 a US CBDC could also potentially help maintain 1767 01:17:17,637 --> 01:17:19,139 the dollar's international standing. 1768 01:17:19,139 --> 01:17:21,516 A digital dollar... 1769 01:17:21,516 --> 01:17:24,394 ...that could replace cash entirely. 1770 01:17:24,394 --> 01:17:26,563 And they weren't alone. 1771 01:17:28,356 --> 01:17:31,067 reporter: 60% of central banks around the world 1772 01:17:31,067 --> 01:17:32,902 are currently experimenting with CBDCs. 1773 01:17:32,902 --> 01:17:35,864 The CBDCs, it's really or authoritarianism 1774 01:17:35,864 --> 01:17:37,866 from even Western governments. 1775 01:17:37,866 --> 01:17:41,286 On CBDCs, I have pushed that project. 1776 01:17:41,286 --> 01:17:42,495 By 2030, 1777 01:17:42,495 --> 01:17:45,457 Britcoin, a central bank digital currency, 1778 01:17:45,457 --> 01:17:46,624 will be up and running. 1779 01:17:47,042 --> 01:17:49,002 Why would a country adopt Bitcoin 1780 01:17:49,002 --> 01:17:50,795 when a government could just 1781 01:17:50,795 --> 01:17:52,630 issue their own digital currency 1782 01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:55,050 and have complete control? 1783 01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:57,385 Digital public money could help drive out 1784 01:17:57,385 --> 01:17:59,262 bogus digital private money. 1785 01:17:59,262 --> 01:18:01,014 The technology is tough to compete with, 1786 01:18:01,014 --> 01:18:02,807 so if you can't beat 'em, you have to join 'em. 1787 01:18:03,058 --> 01:18:05,101 reporter: It is potentially the biggest change to money 1788 01:18:05,101 --> 01:18:06,144 since, I don't know, 1789 01:18:06,144 --> 01:18:08,438 currency consolidation after the Civil War. 1790 01:18:08,438 --> 01:18:09,814 Once we have CBDCs, 1791 01:18:09,814 --> 01:18:12,025 they're gonna essentially crowd out 1792 01:18:12,025 --> 01:18:13,943 any alternative payment system. 1793 01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:16,613 So, the future of payment transaction 1794 01:18:16,613 --> 01:18:18,782 is one bank, run by the government 1795 01:18:18,782 --> 01:18:20,950 with some cooperation of the private sector, 1796 01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:22,452 financial institutions. 1797 01:18:22,660 --> 01:18:26,331 So, banks might still manage things like giving out loans. 1798 01:18:26,706 --> 01:18:27,999 But someday, our bank accounts 1799 01:18:27,999 --> 01:18:30,627 could be directly with the Fed? 1800 01:18:30,627 --> 01:18:32,128 They can surveil all your transactions, 1801 01:18:32,128 --> 01:18:33,797 and they have complete data monopoly. 1802 01:18:33,797 --> 01:18:36,800 Well, I think it's a bit of a crossroads. 1803 01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,010 It could become extremely dystopian. 1804 01:18:41,054 --> 01:18:42,847 There is a way that you could do a CBDC 1805 01:18:42,847 --> 01:18:45,517 that is not... bad for people. 1806 01:18:45,517 --> 01:18:47,769 - But, the problem is they don't want that. - No, of course not. 1807 01:18:47,769 --> 01:18:49,312 They don't want the privacy. 1808 01:18:49,979 --> 01:18:52,148 Faster Bitcoin adoption means 1809 01:18:52,148 --> 01:18:55,443 the better off the world will be when the shit hits the fan. 1810 01:18:56,653 --> 01:18:58,571 And the shit is hitting the fan. 1811 01:19:00,740 --> 01:19:03,660 Fallout continues to grow from the collapse 1812 01:19:03,660 --> 01:19:05,662 of Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank. 1813 01:19:05,662 --> 01:19:06,871 First Republic Bank, 1814 01:19:06,996 --> 01:19:10,166 second largest bank failure in US history. 1815 01:19:10,166 --> 01:19:13,920 Following the pandemic, the Fed printed a lot of money. 1816 01:19:14,379 --> 01:19:17,424 $13 trillion. It triggered inflation 1817 01:19:17,424 --> 01:19:19,759 not seen in over 40 years. 1818 01:19:19,759 --> 01:19:22,387 Suddenly, banks had risky balance sheets. 1819 01:19:22,387 --> 01:19:23,513 There were bank runs, 1820 01:19:23,513 --> 01:19:26,683 and four massive banks were wiped out overnight. 1821 01:19:27,183 --> 01:19:29,644 Similar to what happened in 2009, 1822 01:19:29,644 --> 01:19:31,396 the government stepped in to prevent 1823 01:19:31,396 --> 01:19:32,981 a total financial meltdown. 1824 01:19:32,981 --> 01:19:35,442 I can reassure the members of the committee 1825 01:19:35,442 --> 01:19:37,902 that our banking system is sound. 1826 01:19:37,902 --> 01:19:39,529 Amid this crisis, 1827 01:19:39,529 --> 01:19:41,364 regulators seized an opportunity. 1828 01:19:41,364 --> 01:19:43,408 Kathy Hochul: New York State Department of Financial Services 1829 01:19:43,408 --> 01:19:46,870 took possession of a New York chartered bank, 1830 01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:48,705 known as Signature, last night. 1831 01:19:48,705 --> 01:19:50,331 This was strange 1832 01:19:50,331 --> 01:19:53,084 because Signature Bank wasn't actually insolvent. 1833 01:19:53,543 --> 01:19:57,756 Meanwhile, First Republic, another bank that failed, was. 1834 01:19:58,298 --> 01:19:59,799 But instead of shutting them down, 1835 01:19:59,799 --> 01:20:01,384 they got a full bail-out. 1836 01:20:02,052 --> 01:20:05,472 The difference, Signature was the only major bank 1837 01:20:05,472 --> 01:20:07,932 servicing the crypto industry. 1838 01:20:07,932 --> 01:20:11,394 The regulators are sending a, uh, a clear signal. 1839 01:20:11,394 --> 01:20:13,063 Stay, stay away from digital. 1840 01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:15,899 But, the next signal would come in the form 1841 01:20:15,899 --> 01:20:17,901 of a familiar face. 1842 01:20:17,901 --> 01:20:20,695 So, Roger Ver, Bitcoin Jesus 1843 01:20:20,695 --> 01:20:22,655 was just arrested in Spain. 1844 01:20:22,655 --> 01:20:24,115 Roger had allegedly evaded 1845 01:20:24,115 --> 01:20:27,410 $48 million in Bitcoin taxes. 1846 01:20:27,410 --> 01:20:30,288 You can have your own private bank account, right? 1847 01:20:30,288 --> 01:20:33,416 It's called a Bitcoin account, and it's impossible 1848 01:20:33,416 --> 01:20:35,043 for the government to seize your account. 1849 01:20:35,418 --> 01:20:37,921 But, it seems they could extradite him, 1850 01:20:37,921 --> 01:20:40,548 even though he'd renounced his US citizenship. 1851 01:20:41,925 --> 01:20:43,635 You know, what you're really asking 1852 01:20:43,635 --> 01:20:45,095 is what's the endpoint to the crackdowns. 1853 01:20:45,095 --> 01:20:47,013 This is an example of regulators 1854 01:20:47,013 --> 01:20:49,265 who cannot actually do what they want to do, 1855 01:20:49,265 --> 01:20:51,434 - which was just go ban Bitcoin. -Right. 1856 01:20:51,434 --> 01:20:54,104 Instead, they apply pressure in this sort of alternative way 1857 01:20:54,104 --> 01:20:56,773 to go do something they're not really allowed to do. 1858 01:20:56,773 --> 01:20:58,692 They fired all the missiles now, right? 1859 01:20:58,692 --> 01:21:01,277 They-They've sued the biggest exchanges. 1860 01:21:01,277 --> 01:21:02,862 They've made all the allegations. 1861 01:21:02,862 --> 01:21:06,533 But, the big banks and the government weren't done yet. 1862 01:21:07,158 --> 01:21:09,285 Crypto, Bitcoin, etc. 1863 01:21:09,285 --> 01:21:11,121 If I was the government, I'd close it down. 1864 01:21:11,121 --> 01:21:12,664 We've got a way to do this! 1865 01:21:12,664 --> 01:21:16,167 So, Senator Warren introduced a bipartisan bill 1866 01:21:16,167 --> 01:21:17,794 that would essentially make it illegal 1867 01:21:17,794 --> 01:21:20,130 to use Bitcoin like digital cash. 1868 01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:21,923 Asked if they would support this, 1869 01:21:21,923 --> 01:21:23,800 the banks seemed delighted. 1870 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,468 - Let's go on down the line. - Absolutely. 1871 01:21:25,468 --> 01:21:27,679 - banker 1: Absolutely. - banker 2: Absolutely. 1872 01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:29,097 banker 3: Absolutely. 1873 01:21:29,097 --> 01:21:31,141 - Absolutely, Senator. - Okay, I like absolutely! 1874 01:21:31,141 --> 01:21:34,477 But Wall Street had a plan. 1875 01:21:34,477 --> 01:21:36,104 Let's get it inside the regulated system 1876 01:21:36,104 --> 01:21:37,522 as much as, as we can. 1877 01:21:37,522 --> 01:21:40,275 Bitcoin would be traded on the stock market, 1878 01:21:40,275 --> 01:21:41,985 but you wouldn't actually own it. 1879 01:21:41,985 --> 01:21:45,447 The banks and hedge funds, they would hold it for you. 1880 01:21:45,447 --> 01:21:47,240 This is the day where it goes from malarkey 1881 01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:48,950 to actually an investable asset. 1882 01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:52,746 Bitcoin would now be a part of retirement funds and pensions. 1883 01:21:52,746 --> 01:21:55,582 Put Bitcoin in their 401(k)s. 1884 01:21:55,582 --> 01:21:58,209 Solidifying its role as digital gold. 1885 01:22:02,839 --> 01:22:04,341 It seemed so long as Bitcoin 1886 01:22:04,341 --> 01:22:07,344 didn't compete with the US dollar, 1887 01:22:07,344 --> 01:22:10,180 so long as governments could monitor every transaction... 1888 01:22:10,180 --> 01:22:12,349 Let's do a central bank digital currency. 1889 01:22:12,349 --> 01:22:13,683 Are you there? 1890 01:22:13,683 --> 01:22:15,060 Yes, I think it's time. 1891 01:22:15,393 --> 01:22:19,564 ...so long as Bitcoin didn't function like digital cash, 1892 01:22:19,564 --> 01:22:21,399 it would be allowed. 1893 01:22:21,399 --> 01:22:23,026 Because the Small Blocker solution 1894 01:22:23,026 --> 01:22:25,028 kind of required government permission. 1895 01:22:25,028 --> 01:22:27,864 Those people who are like, "We need Bitcoin 1896 01:22:27,864 --> 01:22:29,699 "to become, like, well-established, 1897 01:22:29,699 --> 01:22:31,618 become accepted by the banks," 1898 01:22:31,618 --> 01:22:34,371 they didn't realize that they were, like, cutting this deal 1899 01:22:34,371 --> 01:22:36,873 which would compromise some Bitcoin's values. 1900 01:22:36,873 --> 01:22:40,210 In fact, Maxis seemed more concerned 1901 01:22:40,210 --> 01:22:41,670 with Bitcoin hitting a million dollars 1902 01:22:41,670 --> 01:22:43,129 than being usable as cash. 1903 01:22:43,129 --> 01:22:45,048 To get to one million, we should be going up, 1904 01:22:45,048 --> 01:22:47,050 on average, 10k a day. 1905 01:22:47,550 --> 01:22:49,719 And if Bitcoin hits a million dollars, 1906 01:22:49,719 --> 01:22:51,721 then Satoshi becomes a trillionaire. 1907 01:22:51,721 --> 01:22:54,182 O'Leary: And there has been rumors 1908 01:22:54,182 --> 01:22:55,934 that maybe Satoshi will weigh in. 1909 01:22:55,934 --> 01:22:58,144 With the stakes so high, 1910 01:22:58,144 --> 01:23:00,021 and with Bitcoin being woven into 1911 01:23:00,021 --> 01:23:02,107 the fabric of the financial system, 1912 01:23:02,107 --> 01:23:04,317 affecting everyone, 1913 01:23:04,317 --> 01:23:06,986 perhaps the question of Satoshi's identity 1914 01:23:06,986 --> 01:23:09,906 was more pressing than ever. 1915 01:23:32,929 --> 01:23:34,848 Peter's never taken you on one of his... 1916 01:23:35,223 --> 01:23:38,476 - caving adventures before, Adam? - No. 1917 01:23:39,978 --> 01:23:41,980 Civilization's ruins, eh? 1918 01:23:41,980 --> 01:23:44,816 Yeah. - End days. 1919 01:23:44,816 --> 01:23:48,194 When you look out on all this, uh, abandoned shit, 1920 01:23:48,194 --> 01:23:49,946 what does it make you think of? 1921 01:23:49,946 --> 01:23:52,657 Maybe, um, a more decentralized future? 1922 01:23:53,033 --> 01:23:54,784 Geopolitically. 1923 01:23:54,784 --> 01:23:57,454 There's something to be said for not breaking what-- 1924 01:23:57,454 --> 01:24:00,457 There's something to be said for exploring this great place. 1925 01:24:00,457 --> 01:24:01,958 -Okay. -Without dying. 1926 01:24:04,836 --> 01:24:08,506 So, there's a lot of things that point to you, 1927 01:24:08,506 --> 01:24:10,550 Adam, being Satoshi, 1928 01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:14,137 and I had been spending some time trying to disprove that. 1929 01:24:14,137 --> 01:24:15,722 You know, like the Wikipedia edits? 1930 01:24:15,722 --> 01:24:18,141 It was because I was like, why are you deleting this? 1931 01:24:18,141 --> 01:24:20,560 Bitcoin is a big deal. It's like a clever invention, right? 1932 01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,646 You added suspects for Satoshi. 1933 01:24:23,646 --> 01:24:25,231 - Really? -Yeah. 1934 01:24:25,231 --> 01:24:27,817 Well, don't-don't just agree with him. Ask for a proof. 1935 01:24:27,817 --> 01:24:30,695 That doesn't seem like something very advisable to do. 1936 01:24:32,030 --> 01:24:33,281 There's, like, old emails with you 1937 01:24:33,615 --> 01:24:36,701 commenting on Bitcoin in pretty detailed terms. 1938 01:24:36,701 --> 01:24:38,578 - I mean-- -It doesn't mean that you're Satoshi. 1939 01:24:38,578 --> 01:24:40,455 - It just means that you were... - Yeah. Well, I think-- 1940 01:24:40,455 --> 01:24:42,374 ...you were engaged before you say you were engaged. 1941 01:24:42,374 --> 01:24:44,918 Anyway, like, you're missing the biggest piece of evidence 1942 01:24:44,918 --> 01:24:46,378 that he's Satoshi of all. 1943 01:24:46,378 --> 01:24:48,254 Which is that he gets on the Bitcoin Talk 1944 01:24:48,254 --> 01:24:50,173 in, what, 2012 or so? 2013? 1945 01:24:50,173 --> 01:24:52,008 - '13. Mm. - Yeah, '13. 1946 01:24:52,008 --> 01:24:53,093 And, like, he's clueless! 1947 01:24:53,093 --> 01:24:54,552 Doesn't know anything about Bitcoin! 1948 01:24:55,095 --> 01:24:56,513 This wasn't the first time 1949 01:24:56,513 --> 01:24:58,306 Peter had pointed to this evidence. 1950 01:24:58,306 --> 01:25:00,266 Best evidence of him being Satoshi. 1951 01:25:00,266 --> 01:25:02,268 - Of not being Satoshi. -Being Satoshi. 1952 01:25:02,268 --> 01:25:05,855 So, was his goal to out Adam as Satoshi? 1953 01:25:05,855 --> 01:25:08,858 It's hard to know, right? These agencies are sneaky. 1954 01:25:08,858 --> 01:25:12,195 Months earlier, I began looking into Peter Todd, 1955 01:25:12,195 --> 01:25:14,406 trying to understand his motives. 1956 01:25:14,406 --> 01:25:17,033 In particular, I'd focused on the leaked email exchange 1957 01:25:17,033 --> 01:25:20,328 between Peter Todd and John Dillon, 1958 01:25:20,328 --> 01:25:22,622 the supposed government agent who had offered Peter 1959 01:25:22,622 --> 01:25:26,292 that ridiculous $500 reward to create replace-by-fee. 1960 01:25:26,292 --> 01:25:29,087 John Dillon's email had supposedly been hacked, 1961 01:25:29,087 --> 01:25:31,214 and their emails were leaked. 1962 01:25:31,214 --> 01:25:33,091 I wanna talk through the stuff 1963 01:25:33,091 --> 01:25:34,718 we were going over the other night. 1964 01:25:34,718 --> 01:25:37,137 So, I called up an editor on my team 1965 01:25:37,137 --> 01:25:38,888 to talk through some of these clues. 1966 01:25:38,888 --> 01:25:40,557 This is an encrypted email chain, 1967 01:25:40,557 --> 01:25:43,393 and this is all you do with the hack 1968 01:25:43,393 --> 01:25:46,938 is release something that makes Peter Todd look pretty good? 1969 01:25:47,397 --> 01:25:51,026 Uh, that, to me, that's part of what started to really... 1970 01:25:51,026 --> 01:25:54,320 smell like maybe it was the same person. 1971 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:55,822 Going through the archives, 1972 01:25:55,822 --> 01:25:57,907 I discovered I wasn't alone. 1973 01:25:57,907 --> 01:26:01,202 Gavin Andresen and some of the folks at Blockstream, 1974 01:26:01,202 --> 01:26:03,747 they also suspected they were the same person. 1975 01:26:03,747 --> 01:26:06,541 - I mean, why did you create the John Dillon handle? - I didn't. 1976 01:26:06,541 --> 01:26:08,168 Come on! 1977 01:26:08,168 --> 01:26:10,337 Nope. Not me. 1978 01:26:10,337 --> 01:26:13,173 He was playing bad cop. You're playing good cop. 1979 01:26:13,173 --> 01:26:15,842 So, my theory about John Dillon 1980 01:26:15,842 --> 01:26:18,178 is that Peter just enjoys perverse game theory. 1981 01:26:18,178 --> 01:26:20,930 I don't enjoy perverse game theory that much. 1982 01:26:20,930 --> 01:26:22,182 Although it was certainly interesting 1983 01:26:22,182 --> 01:26:23,391 to get contacted by the guy. 1984 01:26:23,933 --> 01:26:26,770 - Okay. - I certainly enjoyed it enough to respond to him. 1985 01:26:26,770 --> 01:26:30,315 Mm-hmm. 1986 01:26:30,315 --> 01:26:32,817 - Okay. -The only person who believes Peter is Peter. 1987 01:26:32,817 --> 01:26:34,402 Yeah, that's how it should be. 1988 01:26:34,402 --> 01:26:36,654 If Peter Todd wasn't communicating 1989 01:26:36,654 --> 01:26:39,532 with a government agent, and he just made this shit up, 1990 01:26:39,866 --> 01:26:42,619 then why concoct such an elaborate scheme? 1991 01:26:42,619 --> 01:26:45,246 So, I went through everything I could find on Peter Todd, 1992 01:26:45,246 --> 01:26:46,956 going back to his earliest messages 1993 01:26:46,956 --> 01:26:48,792 on the Bitcoin Talk forum. 1994 01:26:48,792 --> 01:26:50,043 Now, Peter likes to suggest 1995 01:26:50,043 --> 01:26:52,003 that he didn't really get involved with Bitcoin until... 1996 01:26:52,003 --> 01:26:54,881 2014. That's when I sort of "quit the day job," if you will. 1997 01:26:54,881 --> 01:26:56,758 But, he had registered all the way back 1998 01:26:56,758 --> 01:26:58,802 in December of 2010. 1999 01:26:58,802 --> 01:26:59,844 The first thing he wrote 2000 01:26:59,844 --> 01:27:02,389 was just asking for an invite to something. 2001 01:27:02,389 --> 01:27:04,766 But the next post, a few days later, 2002 01:27:04,766 --> 01:27:06,309 was super technical. 2003 01:27:06,309 --> 01:27:09,646 And then, he doesn't post again until 2012. 2004 01:27:10,355 --> 01:27:12,649 But, it's that super technical post 2005 01:27:12,649 --> 01:27:17,445 that made me rethink just about everything. 2006 01:27:17,445 --> 01:27:20,740 I was so taken aback, I called my editor immediately. 2007 01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:24,494 Uh, so, I'm kind of embarrassed I missed this. 2008 01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:28,957 So, his first post is on December 7, 2010. 2009 01:27:28,957 --> 01:27:32,252 But then, three days later, uh, he makes another post. 2010 01:27:32,669 --> 01:27:34,170 editor "Of course, to be specific, 2011 01:27:34,170 --> 01:27:36,339 "the inputs and outputs can't match exactly 2012 01:27:36,339 --> 01:27:39,175 if the second transaction has a transaction fee." 2013 01:27:39,175 --> 01:27:41,011 Seems like he's responding to something. 2014 01:27:41,011 --> 01:27:42,637 Yeah. 2015 01:27:43,513 --> 01:27:45,348 editor Oh, responding to Satoshi? 2016 01:27:45,348 --> 01:27:47,267 He's replying to Satoshi, yeah. 2017 01:27:47,267 --> 01:27:49,394 Yeah, like an hour and a half later. 2018 01:27:50,562 --> 01:27:52,772 But, read it closely. 2019 01:27:53,314 --> 01:27:55,567 Is he responding, David? 2020 01:27:57,193 --> 01:27:59,362 Or is he continuing a thought? 2021 01:28:11,666 --> 01:28:16,254 So, Satoshi is proposing this, like, future scheme 2022 01:28:16,254 --> 01:28:18,715 that hasn't been invented yet. 2023 01:28:18,715 --> 01:28:20,675 And Peter Todd 2024 01:28:20,675 --> 01:28:22,886 just kinda continues that thought 2025 01:28:22,886 --> 01:28:24,596 an hour and a half later. 2026 01:28:25,263 --> 01:28:27,766 Someone who had just created this account, 2027 01:28:27,766 --> 01:28:30,477 and never posted about Bitcoin before, 2028 01:28:30,477 --> 01:28:33,396 was finishing Satoshi's sentences? 2029 01:28:34,814 --> 01:28:37,317 With a deep fucking knowledge of how, 2030 01:28:37,317 --> 01:28:39,903 wait for it, replace-by-fee works. 2031 01:28:39,903 --> 01:28:41,654 That thing that Peter Todd 2032 01:28:41,654 --> 01:28:44,449 would one day invent a character for. 2033 01:28:44,449 --> 01:28:46,242 It gets weirder though, David. 2034 01:28:46,242 --> 01:28:48,870 So, you know, we've thought that, like, 2035 01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:52,499 Satoshi dropped off of the Bitcoin Talk forums 2036 01:28:52,499 --> 01:28:54,501 because of WikiLeaks, right? 2037 01:28:54,501 --> 01:28:56,461 But, when would Satoshi 2038 01:28:56,461 --> 01:28:58,463 drop off the Bitcoin Talk forum? 2039 01:28:59,089 --> 01:29:00,924 editor David Three days after Peter Todd 2040 01:29:00,924 --> 01:29:03,760 - replies or adds on to this post. -That's right. 2041 01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,472 You'll never see another post from Satoshi ever again. 2042 01:29:07,764 --> 01:29:09,557 Three days after joining the forum, 2043 01:29:09,557 --> 01:29:13,103 Peter Todd finishes Satoshi's sentence, 2044 01:29:13,103 --> 01:29:14,938 and then disappears. 2045 01:29:14,938 --> 01:29:16,648 Alongside Satoshi. 2046 01:29:18,274 --> 01:29:19,609 Here's what I think might have happened. 2047 01:29:19,609 --> 01:29:23,196 He created this new account. 2048 01:29:23,196 --> 01:29:24,823 Then, a couple days later, you know, 2049 01:29:25,198 --> 01:29:28,159 writes the Satoshi post, logs out... 2050 01:29:29,369 --> 01:29:31,121 logs back in, but doesn't log back in 2051 01:29:31,121 --> 01:29:32,747 with the correct account. 2052 01:29:32,747 --> 01:29:35,959 And he posts as Peter Todd instead of Satoshi. 2053 01:29:35,959 --> 01:29:39,129 And then, makes a couple more posts as Satoshi 2054 01:29:39,129 --> 01:29:40,463 'cause he doesn't want it to look like 2055 01:29:40,463 --> 01:29:41,881 it's directly related to this. 2056 01:29:41,881 --> 01:29:44,926 And Peter Todd just evaporates for two fucking years. 2057 01:29:46,511 --> 01:29:48,346 editor David That's, that's insane. 2058 01:29:48,346 --> 01:29:49,806 It's insane. 2059 01:29:51,099 --> 01:29:52,809 It was just so suspicious, 2060 01:29:52,809 --> 01:29:56,146 I wanted Peter to explain how this was possible. 2061 01:29:56,146 --> 01:29:57,856 Satoshi's last post was, like, 2062 01:29:57,856 --> 01:30:00,567 one week after I signed up for Bitcoin Talk. 2063 01:30:00,942 --> 01:30:02,277 But... 2064 01:30:02,569 --> 01:30:04,446 Right. And then, you disappeared. 2065 01:30:04,863 --> 01:30:08,158 Yeah, then I disappeared. 2066 01:30:10,452 --> 01:30:12,996 And Satoshi disappeared at the same time. 2067 01:30:12,996 --> 01:30:13,955 Yeah. 2068 01:30:14,330 --> 01:30:16,666 I really should've paid more attention to Bitcoin early on, 2069 01:30:16,666 --> 01:30:18,543 but, you know, I had other stuff to do. 2070 01:30:18,543 --> 01:30:22,005 Y-You corrected Satoshi, but it kind of looks more like 2071 01:30:22,005 --> 01:30:25,091 you were continuing a thought of Satoshi. 2072 01:30:25,091 --> 01:30:28,011 Well, Satoshi made a little brain fart on, like, 2073 01:30:28,011 --> 01:30:30,013 how exactly transactions work, 2074 01:30:30,013 --> 01:30:32,974 and I corrected him on that very boring thing. 2075 01:30:33,183 --> 01:30:35,852 Why didn't you delete the 2010 post? 2076 01:30:35,852 --> 01:30:37,187 Why would I? 2077 01:30:37,604 --> 01:30:38,730 Well, 2078 01:30:39,022 --> 01:30:41,983 I mean, 'cause it, it just makes you look like 2079 01:30:41,983 --> 01:30:45,528 you had these deep insights into Bitcoin at the time and-- 2080 01:30:45,528 --> 01:30:47,530 Well, yeah. I'm Satoshi Nakamoto. 2081 01:30:47,530 --> 01:30:49,699 I mean, 2082 01:30:49,699 --> 01:30:52,118 it's sort of the last thing you'd expect Satoshi to say. 2083 01:30:52,118 --> 01:30:53,328 Ah, but that's it. 2084 01:30:53,328 --> 01:30:54,704 That's like the meta level, right? 2085 01:30:54,704 --> 01:30:57,290 Because I know you would expect Satoshi Nakamoto 2086 01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:58,917 to delete the post. You just said, 2087 01:30:58,917 --> 01:31:01,169 "Why didn't Satoshi Nakamoto delete the post?" 2088 01:31:01,169 --> 01:31:04,047 - The post that was corrected? - Yeah, yeah, the correction post. 2089 01:31:04,047 --> 01:31:06,299 Right? But then, I did the next level of meta 2090 01:31:06,299 --> 01:31:09,803 and then didn't delete the post to go throw off people like you. 2091 01:31:10,804 --> 01:31:12,555 Peter sure remembered this post 2092 01:31:12,555 --> 01:31:15,183 he'd made 13 years ago awfully well. 2093 01:31:16,267 --> 01:31:17,519 Yeah... 2094 01:31:17,519 --> 01:31:19,813 I don't know. You're-You're feeding him, like, 2095 01:31:19,813 --> 01:31:23,024 - footage that's just gonna be-- - Yeah. Oh, it's gonna be great. 2096 01:31:23,608 --> 01:31:25,110 Peter Todd's strategy, 2097 01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:27,862 his game theory to throw people off the trail... 2098 01:31:27,862 --> 01:31:30,865 Oh, no, I am Satoshi. I'm Satoshi Nakamoto. 2099 01:31:30,865 --> 01:31:32,075 ...was so effective, 2100 01:31:32,075 --> 01:31:33,785 I hadn't really considered him a suspect. 2101 01:31:34,244 --> 01:31:36,663 In fact, just about no one had considered him. 2102 01:31:36,663 --> 01:31:39,332 So, you don't think it's Peter? You-- No way? 2103 01:31:39,332 --> 01:31:42,210 Peter's ruled out way, way early on. 2104 01:31:42,210 --> 01:31:43,586 And even insinuating this 2105 01:31:43,586 --> 01:31:45,380 would get you laughed off the forums. 2106 01:31:45,380 --> 01:31:47,674 Peter Todd was just a little kid back then. 2107 01:31:47,674 --> 01:31:49,718 So, was it possible that 2108 01:31:49,718 --> 01:31:52,429 Peter Todd could be Satoshi? 2109 01:31:52,429 --> 01:31:54,514 When you start to, like, run through all the, 2110 01:31:54,514 --> 01:31:55,724 all the scenarios, 2111 01:31:55,724 --> 01:31:58,643 it checks a lot of boxes. 2112 01:31:58,643 --> 01:31:59,936 Satoshi wrote messages 2113 01:31:59,936 --> 01:32:02,397 like they were on an academic calendar, 2114 01:32:02,397 --> 01:32:04,274 with more time in the summer. 2115 01:32:04,274 --> 01:32:06,443 I was off getting a fine arts degree. 2116 01:32:06,443 --> 01:32:09,946 Then, there was the British or Canadian writing style. 2117 01:32:09,946 --> 01:32:12,657 There was something called the Toronto Caving Group. 2118 01:32:12,657 --> 01:32:16,369 In 2001, when the dude is 15 or 16, 2119 01:32:16,369 --> 01:32:18,830 he is literally already trying to figure out 2120 01:32:18,830 --> 01:32:21,416 how to turn Hashcash into a currency. 2121 01:32:21,416 --> 01:32:23,585 After all, I did try to invent Bitcoin. 2122 01:32:23,585 --> 01:32:25,879 And I'm not bitter that Satoshi got there first. 2123 01:32:25,879 --> 01:32:28,715 You know, when I first saw the Bitcoin code, 2124 01:32:28,715 --> 01:32:31,217 I was like, this is not a professional programmer. 2125 01:32:31,217 --> 01:32:32,927 Which Peter Todd wasn't. 2126 01:32:32,927 --> 01:32:35,764 Experienced C++ coders basically confirmed 2127 01:32:35,764 --> 01:32:37,599 that it could've been written by either of you. 2128 01:32:37,599 --> 01:32:41,686 - So, do you think I can write in C++? -Yeah. Yeah, definitely. 2129 01:32:41,686 --> 01:32:44,397 Mm. That doesn't sound like you've done your research. 2130 01:32:44,397 --> 01:32:45,774 Yeah. 2131 01:32:46,107 --> 01:32:48,902 But, that old resume he tried to scrub from the internet 2132 01:32:48,902 --> 01:32:52,489 showed that he'd coded a system in C++ from scratch. 2133 01:32:52,906 --> 01:32:54,657 Why bother lying about this? 2134 01:32:54,657 --> 01:32:56,785 So, he's done a bit of, bit of research. That's good. 2135 01:32:56,785 --> 01:32:59,496 And if you were like, 22 when you created Bitcoin, 2136 01:32:59,496 --> 01:33:02,457 imagine what it would do to your psyche. 2137 01:33:02,457 --> 01:33:04,000 He's the contrarian of contrarians. 2138 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,670 I-I think people often, often miss this nuance. 2139 01:33:06,670 --> 01:33:08,004 He always wants to make sure he can prove 2140 01:33:08,004 --> 01:33:09,506 that he's the smartest guy in the room. 2141 01:33:09,839 --> 01:33:11,132 Well, I think if it was a team, 2142 01:33:11,132 --> 01:33:12,676 it wouldn't have been more than two people. 2143 01:33:12,676 --> 01:33:15,845 Didn't need even two people. One could have written it. 2144 01:33:15,845 --> 01:33:18,431 But, who could Satoshi trust with Bitcoin's future? 2145 01:33:18,431 --> 01:33:20,225 Adam Back would keep the secret. 2146 01:33:20,558 --> 01:33:23,478 Maybe the first guy that emailed back in 2008. 2147 01:33:23,478 --> 01:33:25,689 Or it could be somebody younger. 2148 01:33:25,689 --> 01:33:27,023 The guy who, you know, 2149 01:33:27,023 --> 01:33:28,983 has sort of considered you like a son. 2150 01:33:28,983 --> 01:33:30,151 Remind me again, what's your source 2151 01:33:30,151 --> 01:33:31,778 for the "considered you like a son" thing? 2152 01:33:31,778 --> 01:33:34,114 That was with you last time. 2153 01:33:34,114 --> 01:33:35,490 -What? - No. 2154 01:33:35,490 --> 01:33:37,534 I think he thinks of you like a son. 2155 01:33:37,534 --> 01:33:38,827 A son. Yeah. 2156 01:33:38,827 --> 01:33:41,204 No, sorry. No, no offense, 2157 01:33:41,204 --> 01:33:43,123 I'm much closer to Greg Maxwell than you. 2158 01:33:43,123 --> 01:33:44,666 Much closer. 2159 01:33:44,666 --> 01:33:48,420 Greg Maxwell, who co-founds Blockstream with Adam Back. 2160 01:33:48,420 --> 01:33:49,713 This loose coupling isn't inherent. 2161 01:33:49,713 --> 01:33:51,965 You can sort of pick your degree of looseness. 2162 01:33:51,965 --> 01:33:53,466 Keeping Peter at arm's length... 2163 01:33:53,466 --> 01:33:55,593 We talked about saying it would actually be much better 2164 01:33:55,593 --> 01:33:57,178 if I didn't work for Blockstream. 2165 01:33:57,178 --> 01:34:00,056 ...in order to solve Bitcoin's technical problems, 2166 01:34:00,056 --> 01:34:01,933 which they couldn't do anonymously. 2167 01:34:01,933 --> 01:34:05,103 You need to give people space to actually work on these issues. 2168 01:34:05,103 --> 01:34:07,022 But, they would need cover... 2169 01:34:07,022 --> 01:34:08,815 O'Leary: Whoever had access to Satoshi's email 2170 01:34:08,815 --> 01:34:11,693 was somewhat aligned with Blockstream. 2171 01:34:11,693 --> 01:34:13,528 ...to push back against Gavin. 2172 01:34:13,528 --> 01:34:15,363 We'll definitely need to increase 2173 01:34:15,363 --> 01:34:16,906 the maximum block size. 2174 01:34:16,906 --> 01:34:18,241 That doesn't mean you're the leader. 2175 01:34:18,241 --> 01:34:20,452 That just means you're the guy who answers questions. 2176 01:34:20,452 --> 01:34:23,329 And here's the big one. 2177 01:34:23,329 --> 01:34:27,292 What if the real reason for using the name Satoshi, 2178 01:34:27,292 --> 01:34:28,877 for the anonymity, 2179 01:34:28,877 --> 01:34:31,963 was so that people could take Bitcoin seriously? 2180 01:34:32,464 --> 01:34:34,924 So they could believe that it must have been created 2181 01:34:34,924 --> 01:34:37,677 by one of these famous cryptographers, 2182 01:34:38,887 --> 01:34:41,723 and not some kid still in school? 2183 01:34:43,016 --> 01:34:46,019 - So, here's what I think happened. -Hm? 2184 01:34:46,019 --> 01:34:48,605 - Possibly. Okay? -Possibly. 2185 01:34:48,605 --> 01:34:51,232 I think that John Dillon... 2186 01:34:52,317 --> 01:34:55,612 ...was created so that you would have an excuse 2187 01:34:55,612 --> 01:34:58,073 to make replace-by-fee. 2188 01:34:58,073 --> 01:35:00,700 A concept which you had envisioned years earlier, 2189 01:35:00,700 --> 01:35:04,079 but you needed some kind of cover in order to make. 2190 01:35:04,079 --> 01:35:07,207 And you also needed some cover for that 2010 post. 2191 01:35:07,207 --> 01:35:09,959 2010 post? Please. 2192 01:35:10,418 --> 01:35:12,295 Yeah, because I was Satoshi? 2193 01:35:12,295 --> 01:35:13,797 I mean, yeah. 2194 01:35:13,797 --> 01:35:16,216 You know, you're very concerned about all the privacy stuff. 2195 01:35:16,216 --> 01:35:18,259 So, you reach out to your old buddy Adam Back. 2196 01:35:18,259 --> 01:35:19,844 You say, we need to do something about this, 2197 01:35:19,844 --> 01:35:21,888 but we need to pay the devs. 2198 01:35:21,888 --> 01:35:23,515 But you can't join Blockstream 2199 01:35:23,515 --> 01:35:26,059 because it would look too, uh, suspicious. 2200 01:35:26,059 --> 01:35:29,020 - So, you don't. - I will admit, you're pretty creative. 2201 01:35:29,020 --> 01:35:31,147 You come up with some crazy theories. 2202 01:35:31,147 --> 01:35:32,399 It's ludicrous, 2203 01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:34,943 but it's the sort of theory someone who spends their time 2204 01:35:34,943 --> 01:35:36,903 as a documentary journalist would come up with. 2205 01:35:36,903 --> 01:35:38,905 So yeah, yeah. I'll say, of course I'm Satoshi, 2206 01:35:38,905 --> 01:35:40,031 and I'm Craig Wright. 2207 01:35:40,031 --> 01:35:41,991 And yes, I was definitely covering 2208 01:35:41,991 --> 01:35:43,827 that little bit about, you know, fees 2209 01:35:43,827 --> 01:35:45,662 to go pretend to be Satoshi. 2210 01:35:45,662 --> 01:35:48,123 Or not Satoshi, one or the other. 2211 01:35:48,123 --> 01:35:51,835 Well, why make up the whole John Dillon thing? 2212 01:35:51,835 --> 01:35:54,504 - Well, like I said, I'm not John Dillon. -Okay. 2213 01:35:54,504 --> 01:35:57,048 Sorry. I'm not John Dillon. I don't know who that is. 2214 01:35:57,048 --> 01:35:58,925 I'll warn you. This is gonna be very funny 2215 01:35:58,925 --> 01:36:00,844 when you put this into the documentary 2216 01:36:00,844 --> 01:36:02,595 and a bunch of Bitcoiners watch it. 2217 01:36:02,595 --> 01:36:05,056 -I think-- -Well, I don't think they would be very happy 2218 01:36:05,056 --> 01:36:06,975 with this conclusion because you're pretty controversial 2219 01:36:06,975 --> 01:36:08,226 within the community at this point. 2220 01:36:08,226 --> 01:36:10,687 No, I-I suspect a lot of them will be very happy 2221 01:36:10,687 --> 01:36:12,022 if you go this route. 2222 01:36:12,022 --> 01:36:14,691 'Cause it's gonna be like yet another example 2223 01:36:14,691 --> 01:36:17,068 of journalists really missing the point, 2224 01:36:17,068 --> 01:36:18,403 in a way that's very funny. 2225 01:36:18,403 --> 01:36:19,946 What is the point? 2226 01:36:19,946 --> 01:36:22,407 The point is just to make Bitcoin the global currency. 2227 01:36:22,407 --> 01:36:25,493 And people like you being distracted by nonsense 2228 01:36:25,493 --> 01:36:27,620 can potentially do good on that. 2229 01:36:32,334 --> 01:36:36,421 And it seemed this plan was coming to life. 2230 01:36:38,798 --> 01:36:40,008 With Wall Street's involvement 2231 01:36:40,008 --> 01:36:41,926 bringing Bitcoin to new heights... 2232 01:36:47,891 --> 01:36:50,894 El Salvador found itself in the black. 2233 01:36:50,894 --> 01:36:53,563 Suddenly, presidents were taking Samson's calls. 2234 01:36:54,981 --> 01:36:57,233 And Argentina's newly elected president 2235 01:36:57,233 --> 01:36:59,903 shut down its central bank and allowed people 2236 01:36:59,903 --> 01:37:02,030 to use Bitcoin however they wanted. 2237 01:37:02,030 --> 01:37:04,908 Bitcoin was advancing as a currency, 2238 01:37:04,908 --> 01:37:08,244 even if America throttled its use as digital cash. 2239 01:37:09,079 --> 01:37:12,624 Maybe it wasn't the design that made Bitcoin so unstoppable. 2240 01:37:13,166 --> 01:37:15,377 Maybe it was human nature. 2241 01:37:15,377 --> 01:37:17,587 Or just plain old greed. 2242 01:37:18,630 --> 01:37:20,173 Even Dr. Doom 2243 01:37:20,173 --> 01:37:22,967 launched his own blockchain-based token. 2244 01:37:24,469 --> 01:37:27,347 Craig Wright was proven to be a fraud in court, 2245 01:37:27,347 --> 01:37:29,808 but it required Adam to finally release 2246 01:37:29,808 --> 01:37:31,768 his emails with Satoshi. 2247 01:37:31,768 --> 01:37:33,603 He had been telling the truth. 2248 01:37:33,603 --> 01:37:36,773 And as more of Satoshi's conversations came to light, 2249 01:37:36,773 --> 01:37:39,109 so did the genius, 2250 01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:42,445 the struggles, and the immaturity. 2251 01:37:43,613 --> 01:37:45,281 But, what about the stash? 2252 01:37:45,281 --> 01:37:47,450 Well, you know my-- I-I mean, I don't know for sure, 2253 01:37:47,450 --> 01:37:49,035 but, like, my suspicion is 2254 01:37:49,035 --> 01:37:52,080 Satoshi did, in fact, go destroy all of Satoshi's ability 2255 01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:53,873 to prove who they were. 2256 01:37:54,249 --> 01:37:55,959 But, they hadn't burned the coins. 2257 01:37:57,585 --> 01:38:00,672 Or in a way, had they? 2258 01:38:00,672 --> 01:38:02,716 A few months after confronting Peter, 2259 01:38:02,716 --> 01:38:04,592 I came across this old chat log, 2260 01:38:04,592 --> 01:38:07,303 that someone probably shouldn't have recorded, 2261 01:38:07,303 --> 01:38:08,680 where Peter says, 2262 01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:10,890 "I'm probably the world-leading expert 2263 01:38:10,890 --> 01:38:12,934 "on how to sacrifice your Bitcoins. 2264 01:38:12,934 --> 01:38:15,687 "And I've done exactly one such sacrifice, 2265 01:38:15,687 --> 01:38:18,148 and I did it by hand." 2266 01:38:19,274 --> 01:38:22,902 It was hard not to read this as an admission. 2267 01:38:23,737 --> 01:38:25,321 Like Peter wanted his inner circle 2268 01:38:25,321 --> 01:38:29,284 to trust that he had, in fact, sacrificed the Bitcoins, 2269 01:38:29,701 --> 01:38:31,953 and destroyed all access. 2270 01:38:32,704 --> 01:38:34,914 But, this wasn't proof. 2271 01:38:35,790 --> 01:38:37,834 It's Bitcoin. Don't trust, verify. 2272 01:38:37,834 --> 01:38:40,128 And sometimes, you can't verify. 2273 01:38:41,921 --> 01:38:43,340 Mm-hmm. 2274 01:38:43,340 --> 01:38:45,675 And if Peter Todd and his friends at Blockstream 2275 01:38:45,675 --> 01:38:48,428 were, in fact, behind Bitcoin, 2276 01:38:48,678 --> 01:38:51,097 would he remain an idealist? 2277 01:38:51,097 --> 01:38:52,974 Or was he still holding on 2278 01:38:52,974 --> 01:38:55,268 to the keys to the world's fortune? 2279 01:38:56,436 --> 01:38:58,730 Just in case.180051

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