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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,060 --> 00:00:11,060 It was just an accident. Charge him. With? Murder. What about her? 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,040 We've got enough. We'll get more. 3 00:00:15,380 --> 00:00:17,100 He's cutting your throat. 4 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:19,340 It's not uncommon, this kind of defence. 5 00:00:19,340 --> 00:00:22,980 And this is not the first complaint made against Dhillon as it goes. 6 00:00:22,980 --> 00:00:26,500 It was the first. Some girl called Lucinda Bright. 7 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:30,580 Case was heard by a panel chaired by a geezer called Stephen Vendler, 8 00:00:30,580 --> 00:00:34,100 who also happens to be an old pal of the Harwoods. 9 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:38,220 You have to shift the focus onto Vendler's affair with Talitha. 10 00:00:38,220 --> 00:00:39,740 The eagle has landed. 11 00:00:41,300 --> 00:00:44,020 They're all calling me Lady Tease. 12 00:00:44,020 --> 00:00:46,940 So she was sleeping with Vendler. 13 00:00:46,940 --> 00:00:49,540 I told Talitha that Hannah had 14 00:00:49,540 --> 00:00:52,700 complained to me about Dhillon Harwood. 15 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:56,180 Talitha is a liar. She'll say or do anything to get attention. 16 00:00:56,180 --> 00:00:58,500 If you're going to be put on show to a bunch of pervy men, 17 00:00:58,500 --> 00:01:00,060 you may as well get paid for it. 18 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:02,020 Your mother put you on show? 19 00:01:02,020 --> 00:01:05,780 This is a moment where Dhillon has the scarf in his possession. 20 00:01:05,780 --> 00:01:07,540 Stick it with the rest of the... 21 00:01:07,540 --> 00:01:09,300 The police don't like you. 22 00:01:09,300 --> 00:01:12,380 You need to tell me anything that can help your defence. 23 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:15,300 And we don't have to show exactly what happened in the room, 24 00:01:15,300 --> 00:01:18,820 but they both went there, and a few hours later, Hannah is in the river. 25 00:01:18,820 --> 00:01:21,180 Yes, and we're not going to let Dhillon's defence say it was only 26 00:01:21,180 --> 00:01:23,340 Talitha, because who the hell doesn't notice that a girl 27 00:01:23,340 --> 00:01:24,940 is being strangled to death? 28 00:01:24,940 --> 00:01:27,140 DEVICE CHIMES 29 00:01:24,940 --> 00:01:27,140 Get in! 30 00:01:27,140 --> 00:01:28,380 Is it a match? 31 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:31,580 The micro fragment from Talitha's bracelet matches the rucksack. 32 00:01:32,780 --> 00:01:34,820 That's it. We got her. 33 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:46,380 ANIMATED DISTANT SHOUTING 34 00:01:52,540 --> 00:01:56,380 THEY SHOUT, CHANT 35 00:01:56,380 --> 00:02:00,900 Dhillon Harwood and Tabitha Campbell arrived at court this morning, 36 00:02:00,900 --> 00:02:03,620 escorted by police from their respective prisons, 37 00:02:03,620 --> 00:02:04,940 where they're currently held... 38 00:02:04,940 --> 00:02:08,220 Considerable interest given the backgrounds of both defendants 39 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:10,660 and protests... There have been reports of traffic chaos 40 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:14,460 in Bristol today as campaigners surrounded the Central Crown Court. 41 00:02:14,460 --> 00:02:16,020 Delays are expected... 42 00:02:16,020 --> 00:02:20,260 The much anticipated trial of Talitha Campbell and Dillon Harwood. 43 00:02:20,260 --> 00:02:24,180 Both defendants entered not guilty pleas to the charge of murder 44 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:27,540 earlier this year. Speculation about his daughter, the so-called 45 00:02:27,540 --> 00:02:31,380 Lady Tease, the Crown Prosecution Service reminds all concerned... 46 00:02:31,380 --> 00:02:34,980 An inquiry into leaks to the media has today been launched, 47 00:02:34,980 --> 00:02:38,580 amidst claims that the ensuing social media speculation 48 00:02:38,580 --> 00:02:39,940 may have compromised... 49 00:02:39,940 --> 00:02:41,340 The murder of Hannah Ellis in June 50 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:43,140 this year has continued to draw interest. 51 00:02:43,140 --> 00:02:47,340 Now, the jury will hear the evidence that led to two establishment 52 00:02:47,340 --> 00:02:49,380 figures charged with murder. 53 00:03:06,620 --> 00:03:11,340 Dhillon Harwood and Talitha Campbell attended the university summer ball 54 00:03:11,340 --> 00:03:14,300 together on the night of Hannah's murder. 55 00:03:15,540 --> 00:03:20,700 Later, you, the jury, will hear about an argument at the ball 56 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:23,580 about Hannah's threats to call the police 57 00:03:23,580 --> 00:03:26,500 and her subsequent distress. 58 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:32,060 The threats before the ball and the argument at the ball give us 59 00:03:32,060 --> 00:03:36,580 a vital clue as to the motives of the defendants, 60 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:41,660 which revolved around the complaints made against Dhillon Harwood. 61 00:03:42,860 --> 00:03:47,180 We know that Dhillon Harwood and Talitha Campbell left the ball 62 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:51,340 some time after Hannah had finished her shift. 63 00:03:51,340 --> 00:03:55,180 Dhillon Harwood does not deny that they formed the intent 64 00:03:55,180 --> 00:04:01,260 to visit her and indeed did so, but claims her death was an accident 65 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:04,380 in which he played no part. 66 00:04:04,380 --> 00:04:09,980 This can be rejected for the cynical falsehood it so plainly is. 67 00:04:11,780 --> 00:04:16,140 We do not know what they really discussed on their fateful journey 68 00:04:16,140 --> 00:04:21,540 to the house or when they formed the intent to assault and kill her. 69 00:04:23,860 --> 00:04:29,140 We DO know that they had consumed a lot of illegal drugs 70 00:04:29,140 --> 00:04:34,780 and that not more than an hour after Talitha Campbell and Dhillon Harwood 71 00:04:34,780 --> 00:04:40,820 entered her room, Hannah was strangled with the scarf worn 72 00:04:40,820 --> 00:04:44,140 by Talitha Campbell to the ball that night. 73 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:52,540 And then her body was disposed of with cruel indifference. 74 00:05:01,700 --> 00:05:06,620 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that is the case which the Crown 75 00:05:06,620 --> 00:05:12,100 will prove to you. It can leave no doubt in your mind that both 76 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:18,060 Dhillon Harwood and Talitha Campbell are guilty of the cruel murder 77 00:05:18,060 --> 00:05:21,700 of a young woman with everything to look forward to in life. 78 00:05:27,340 --> 00:05:29,100 Thank you, Mr Reynolds. 79 00:05:31,820 --> 00:05:33,660 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 80 00:05:33,660 --> 00:05:37,300 you have now heard the opening speech for the prosecution. 81 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:43,980 Both defence teams have indicated that they also wish to make 82 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:45,300 an opening speech. 83 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:51,100 Miss Hemmings is representing Talitha Campbell and Miss Barie 84 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:53,340 is representing Dhillon Harwood. 85 00:05:55,460 --> 00:05:58,140 Dhillon did not send threatening texts. 86 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:04,100 It was not HIS scarf that caused Hannah's death. 87 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:08,460 Dhillon Harwood accepts that he was there. 88 00:06:11,420 --> 00:06:14,020 But blames Talitha for the actual death. 89 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:19,060 He is guilty of terrible judgment and of being unduly influenced. 90 00:06:19,060 --> 00:06:22,020 He is not guilty of murder. 91 00:06:22,020 --> 00:06:28,300 He and his defence will do everything to attack the character 92 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:29,940 of my client. 93 00:06:30,940 --> 00:06:35,220 But it's not Talitha's character that is on trial here. 94 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:41,260 The dysfunction and unequal friendship 95 00:06:41,260 --> 00:06:46,060 fully explain why he colluded with her disastrous decisions 96 00:06:46,060 --> 00:06:47,780 on that tragic night. 97 00:06:47,780 --> 00:06:49,940 The only thing you have to ask yourself at the end 98 00:06:49,940 --> 00:06:51,580 of this trial is this. 99 00:06:53,260 --> 00:06:56,180 Do you have any doubt? 100 00:06:56,180 --> 00:07:00,940 I am sure that after we have reviewed all of the evidence, 101 00:07:00,940 --> 00:07:07,220 you will have a great deal of doubt as to the guilt of Talitha Campbell. 102 00:07:07,220 --> 00:07:08,260 And if you do... 103 00:07:09,980 --> 00:07:11,820 ..you must acquit her. 104 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:28,580 Damian Campbell, the controversial property magnate at the end 105 00:07:28,580 --> 00:07:31,740 of the first day of the trial of his daughter Talitha. 106 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:34,100 He's in court with her legal team. 107 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:35,620 CLAMOURING 108 00:07:35,620 --> 00:07:38,660 Much of the first day has been taken up by legal arguments 109 00:07:38,660 --> 00:07:41,660 and the opening statements for the prosecution 110 00:07:41,660 --> 00:07:43,300 and both defendants. 111 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:47,340 Dhillon Harwood has already pleaded guilty to the lesser charge 112 00:07:47,340 --> 00:07:52,020 of preventing a lawful burial and perverting the course of justice, 113 00:07:52,020 --> 00:07:53,820 but he denies murder. 114 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:58,220 Meanwhile, Talitha Campbell denies all the charges against her. 115 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:01,860 What can I expect if I'm only 116 00:08:01,860 --> 00:08:04,540 sentenced to the unlawful burial charge? 117 00:08:04,540 --> 00:08:08,900 Maximum is still life, but it can be as low as a fine. 118 00:08:08,900 --> 00:08:13,420 Average, five to eight years, so... 119 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:17,180 There's also perverting the course of justice, remember. 120 00:08:18,380 --> 00:08:19,980 I deserve punishment for all of that. 121 00:08:19,980 --> 00:08:21,340 That's not the important thing. 122 00:08:21,340 --> 00:08:23,780 What's the important thing? 123 00:08:23,780 --> 00:08:24,860 The truth, Mum. 124 00:08:26,220 --> 00:08:30,380 I don't mind what I'm known for, being on the spectrum, 125 00:08:30,380 --> 00:08:33,940 being an idiot, being Talitha's Chihuahua. 126 00:08:33,940 --> 00:08:36,580 That's what they used to call me in school. But not a murderer. 127 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:43,140 OK, can we talk a little about Lucinda Bright? 128 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:48,860 Yeah. She's completely nuts. 129 00:08:48,860 --> 00:08:51,180 Anybody will tell you. 130 00:08:51,180 --> 00:08:53,820 God, I wish I'd never even heard her name. 131 00:08:58,180 --> 00:08:59,940 It'll be OK, sweetheart. 132 00:09:01,300 --> 00:09:04,580 Just try and stay calm and tell the truth. 133 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:07,420 That's all you can do. 134 00:09:13,660 --> 00:09:15,860 Mrs Campbell wasn't in court. 135 00:09:15,860 --> 00:09:19,220 She couldn't face it. It's for the best, really. 136 00:09:19,220 --> 00:09:21,260 I don't think her presence would have been a big 137 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:23,020 comfort to Tali. 138 00:09:23,020 --> 00:09:25,020 Has it ever been? 139 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:27,300 Is this relevant to anything? 140 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:30,020 I don't know. Is it? 141 00:09:30,020 --> 00:09:33,940 Well, I'm no lawyer, but my hunch would be that providing 142 00:09:33,940 --> 00:09:36,740 an explanation of their new forensic evidence would be higher 143 00:09:36,740 --> 00:09:41,500 on your to-do list than raking through my wife's parenting skills. 144 00:09:42,580 --> 00:09:44,940 Got it. Good. 145 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:49,860 Oh, surf's up. Is this DI Cassidy in the morning? 146 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:51,980 I know, I'll be handling that. 147 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:56,060 Well, I thought solicitors didn't speak... Solicitor advocate. 148 00:09:56,060 --> 00:09:58,900 I'll do some cross-examination of police witnesses, and I know 149 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:01,180 Paula Cassidy well. 150 00:10:01,180 --> 00:10:05,900 What about Talitha? That'll obviously be my silk, but nothing's 151 00:10:05,900 --> 00:10:07,300 decided on that anyway. 152 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:09,900 You're going to put her in the box, though. 153 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:11,940 It's still all under discussion. 154 00:10:11,940 --> 00:10:14,220 There are some issues. 155 00:10:14,220 --> 00:10:16,620 There's only one issue. 156 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:19,220 This is a show trial. 157 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:23,740 It won't be decided on the evidence, but on her and on us, and on... 158 00:10:25,180 --> 00:10:28,620 ..this. By the media, sure. But the jury decide. 159 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:32,220 Well, if 99% of humanity is anything to go by, 160 00:10:32,220 --> 00:10:34,820 the jury will absolutely hate her. 161 00:10:34,820 --> 00:10:36,060 I don't hate her. 162 00:10:38,060 --> 00:10:41,420 I know. You need to push her on that rucksack fragment 163 00:10:41,420 --> 00:10:43,220 they found on the bracelet. 164 00:10:43,220 --> 00:10:45,180 Or she's in big trouble. 165 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:47,340 Talking to her in the morning. 166 00:10:59,740 --> 00:11:02,140 I bet they planted it. 167 00:11:02,140 --> 00:11:05,900 I bet it was that Cassidy, that stupid, ugly, evil bitch. 168 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:07,700 Hey, stop. Stop it. 169 00:11:08,820 --> 00:11:11,740 How else could a fragment from Hannah's rucksack have gotten 170 00:11:11,740 --> 00:11:13,580 snagged on your bracelet? 171 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:19,900 Oh, what, I can talk now? 172 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:21,780 I haven't got a clue. 173 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:24,620 Then try and wrack your brains because it might make a significant 174 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:27,220 difference to the rest of your life. 175 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:31,660 TALITHA LAUGHS 176 00:11:31,660 --> 00:11:36,020 I made you cross. You often make me cross, Talitha. 177 00:11:36,020 --> 00:11:40,300 And think hard because I am really not messing around here. 178 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:42,820 Everything depends on this. 179 00:11:42,820 --> 00:11:45,980 This is the only piece of forensic evidence that directly ties 180 00:11:45,980 --> 00:11:48,260 you to the murder scene. 181 00:11:48,260 --> 00:11:49,660 Wait. 182 00:11:50,740 --> 00:11:53,900 She lent it to me once to go to Paris. 183 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:59,100 Did she? Course she fucking didn't! 184 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:02,060 Could you imagine me walking around the Marais with that piece 185 00:12:02,060 --> 00:12:04,220 of high street nylon crap? 186 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:07,420 KNOCK AT DOOR, DOOR OPENS 187 00:12:08,460 --> 00:12:09,500 They are ready. 188 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:12,020 Thank you. 189 00:12:14,780 --> 00:12:15,820 Let's go. 190 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:28,460 I do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that the evidence 191 00:12:28,460 --> 00:12:30,300 I shall give shall be the truth, 192 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:33,020 the whole truth and nothing but the truth. 193 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:44,900 If I could ask the jury to please look at photograph 7C? 194 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:48,460 Could you describe the photo, Detective Inspector? 195 00:12:48,460 --> 00:12:51,540 Yes, it's the fireplace at Dhillon Harwood's cottage. 196 00:12:51,540 --> 00:12:54,940 Is that where he burned the evidence? Yes. 197 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:57,340 He was also burning some of his own clothes. 198 00:12:57,340 --> 00:12:58,940 Does that appear strange to you? 199 00:12:58,940 --> 00:13:01,140 That's not an appropriate question, Mr Reynolds. 200 00:13:01,140 --> 00:13:04,140 DI Cassidy is here to give evidence, not opinion, 201 00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:06,060 as you know perfectly well. 202 00:13:06,060 --> 00:13:07,540 Apologies, My Lady. 203 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:11,420 Were the clothes very burned? 204 00:13:11,420 --> 00:13:14,900 Yes. All the clothes, including a scarf? Yes. 205 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:18,980 And where else were fibres from that scarf found? 206 00:13:18,980 --> 00:13:22,340 On Hannah's body and also a single 207 00:13:22,340 --> 00:13:25,580 fibre found in Talitha's drawer at home? 208 00:13:25,580 --> 00:13:29,860 Were the fibres all from the same scarf? 209 00:13:29,860 --> 00:13:32,100 All the same scarf. 210 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:41,260 Do you have any doubt that Talitha Campbell's scarf 211 00:13:41,260 --> 00:13:43,740 was the murder weapon? 212 00:13:43,740 --> 00:13:45,140 None whatsoever. 213 00:13:45,140 --> 00:13:48,980 And does the evidence show Talitha Campbell wearing the scarf 214 00:13:48,980 --> 00:13:51,700 throughout the entire ball? Yes. 215 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:56,500 We scrutinised all the mobile and photographic footage, 216 00:13:56,500 --> 00:14:00,260 and in every single piece of evidence, 217 00:14:00,260 --> 00:14:03,700 Talitha is shown to be wearing the scarf. 218 00:14:11,540 --> 00:14:16,740 In the CCTV footage of Miss Campbell walking home from the ball, 219 00:14:16,740 --> 00:14:18,660 is she wearing the green scarf? 220 00:14:18,660 --> 00:14:21,780 We...couldn't tell. 221 00:14:21,780 --> 00:14:26,820 Let me rephrase that so you can give the jury a yes or no answer. 222 00:14:27,940 --> 00:14:31,300 Does your last sighting of Miss Campbell on the night 223 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:35,100 of the ball show her wearing the scarf used to kill Hannah Ellis? 224 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:38,540 No. 225 00:14:38,540 --> 00:14:41,660 Who was the last person to have possession of the scarf? 226 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:46,100 Well, if you mean... 227 00:14:46,100 --> 00:14:47,580 The CCTV didn't show... 228 00:14:47,580 --> 00:14:49,340 I mean precisely what I said. 229 00:14:51,540 --> 00:14:55,300 Who was the last person to have possession of the scarf used 230 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:57,900 to murder Hannah Ellis? 231 00:14:57,900 --> 00:15:01,180 Dhillon Harwood at the cottage, obviously, but on the night 232 00:15:01,180 --> 00:15:02,580 of the ball itself... 233 00:15:02,580 --> 00:15:07,020 Thank you, DI Cassidy, you've already answered my question. 234 00:15:13,420 --> 00:15:14,860 Who is Troy Manners? 235 00:15:17,180 --> 00:15:21,740 An individual we eliminated from our inquiries. 236 00:15:21,740 --> 00:15:23,020 Ah, yes. Yeah. 237 00:15:23,020 --> 00:15:27,220 Your original line of inquiry was that Miss Campbell had hired him 238 00:15:27,220 --> 00:15:29,260 to murder Hannah Ellis. 239 00:15:29,260 --> 00:15:31,860 That was ONE line of inquiry. 240 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:33,020 A false one. 241 00:15:33,020 --> 00:15:35,300 He provided an alibi. 242 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:39,860 Hannah Ellis' bank card was used almost immediately 243 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:41,340 after her disappearance. 244 00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:43,460 Is that correct? Yes. 245 00:15:43,460 --> 00:15:46,580 In the West Midlands area? Yes. 246 00:15:46,580 --> 00:15:51,180 Does Miss Campbell have any connection to the West Midlands, 247 00:15:51,180 --> 00:15:52,980 to the best of your knowledge? 248 00:15:52,980 --> 00:15:55,580 No, not to the best of my knowledge. 249 00:15:56,900 --> 00:16:00,700 Does Troy Manners have connections to the West Midlands? Yes. 250 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:04,700 Was Troy Manners at the ball at any time? Yes. 251 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:08,820 Is it the case that Hannah Ellis' bank card was discovered at the home 252 00:16:08,820 --> 00:16:12,660 of someone who does have connections to Troy Manners? 253 00:16:13,860 --> 00:16:14,940 Yes. 254 00:16:14,940 --> 00:16:17,060 LIGHT MURMUR 255 00:16:17,060 --> 00:16:18,740 But you ruled him out. 256 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:20,340 Who? 257 00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:23,580 Troy Manners. Yes. 258 00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:26,500 SHE EXHALES DEEPLY 259 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:30,660 Are you familiar with the term confirmation bias, DI Cassidy? 260 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:38,940 I didn't expect her to motor on Troy. Threw down a sudden googly 261 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:40,300 when you weren't expecting it. 262 00:16:41,260 --> 00:16:43,780 Yeah. Well, it made the jury frown, though. 263 00:16:43,780 --> 00:16:46,900 Who is Troy Manners? Why isn't he here? 264 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:48,660 Are they just trying to cover something up? 265 00:16:48,660 --> 00:16:51,820 Talitha could have given him the card. And so could Dhillon. 266 00:16:51,820 --> 00:16:55,140 And so could any number of the students, and that was the point. 267 00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:57,220 But you didn't want to consider that 268 00:16:57,220 --> 00:17:01,980 cos you'd made your mind up from the get go. Uh, wait a sec, Sooty. 269 00:17:01,980 --> 00:17:04,580 Can I just check you haven't got a defence hand up your jacksie 270 00:17:04,580 --> 00:17:05,820 moving your mouth? 271 00:17:05,820 --> 00:17:07,900 You should be more worried about the noise in the jury room 272 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:10,220 because they're going to be discussing Troy Manners right now. 273 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:12,580 I guarantee it. No. 274 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:15,660 It'll be fine. 275 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:20,860 I have been sent a note from the jury asking for more information 276 00:17:20,860 --> 00:17:25,460 about Troy Manners, specifically asking to hear his evidence. 277 00:17:26,580 --> 00:17:30,180 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I should remind you that only 278 00:17:30,180 --> 00:17:33,980 the prosecution and defence decide who gives evidence. 279 00:17:35,460 --> 00:17:39,540 And on that evidence alone, will you be asked to reach your verdicts. 280 00:17:41,980 --> 00:17:43,740 We'll adjourn for lunch. 281 00:17:44,740 --> 00:17:45,980 All rise. 282 00:18:31,180 --> 00:18:32,220 Brian. 283 00:18:33,660 --> 00:18:35,620 DOOR CLOSES 284 00:18:35,620 --> 00:18:37,540 The bracelet. 285 00:18:37,540 --> 00:18:39,740 This again. 286 00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:41,180 Green Man. 287 00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:44,620 What about it? What can you tell me about it? 288 00:18:44,620 --> 00:18:46,180 It's a music festival in Cornwall. 289 00:18:46,180 --> 00:18:48,660 It's a music festival in Wales. 290 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:50,460 Oh, yeah. Who did you go with? 291 00:18:50,460 --> 00:18:52,420 Dhillon. And...? 292 00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:53,900 Man, I don't know. 293 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:55,540 There was a bunch of us, really. 294 00:18:55,540 --> 00:18:57,340 It was absolutely shit. 295 00:18:57,340 --> 00:18:59,420 I never wanted to go because I hate festivals. 296 00:18:59,420 --> 00:19:02,980 You'll never guess what, though. What? It was sunny. 297 00:19:02,980 --> 00:19:04,340 I know, in Wales. 298 00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:08,180 I do know because there's a photo of you in the paper 299 00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:10,420 with Hannah at the festival. 300 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:14,780 Is there, really? How do I look? 301 00:19:14,780 --> 00:19:17,540 Brian has found out who took the photo. 302 00:19:17,540 --> 00:19:20,700 It's from the Facebook page of Amber Morton. 303 00:19:22,020 --> 00:19:27,180 Never met her. Yes, you have. You've just got a sieve-shaped brain. 304 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:30,540 Oh, wait. Red hair, eyes. 305 00:19:30,540 --> 00:19:33,300 Yes, yes, she does have red hair and eyes. 306 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:36,860 No, but they're those really close together eyes, and quite a big nose. 307 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:38,460 I quite like that look, to be fair. 308 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:40,740 In fact, I may have snogged her. 309 00:19:42,620 --> 00:19:46,420 So, question one, did you all take rucksacks? 310 00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:49,740 Probably. And question two... 311 00:19:51,820 --> 00:19:53,700 ..did you wear the bracelet? 312 00:19:55,780 --> 00:19:57,140 I don't know. 313 00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:02,860 Great. 314 00:20:04,060 --> 00:20:08,180 Why don't you check the photo? We have. It's not clear. 315 00:20:08,180 --> 00:20:10,140 Get Brian to hunt down Amber. 316 00:20:12,020 --> 00:20:15,460 I should change to a law degree when this is all over, I'm good at this. 317 00:20:17,860 --> 00:20:21,060 If I'm found guilty, though, I'll kill myself. 318 00:20:23,020 --> 00:20:26,100 I'm not being melodramatic, Cleo. 319 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:27,420 I definitely will. 320 00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:30,500 OK. 321 00:20:39,420 --> 00:20:40,460 OK. 322 00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:44,020 Take a breath. 323 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:47,420 SHE INHALES DEEPLY 324 00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:50,700 SHE EXHALES 325 00:20:51,780 --> 00:20:54,180 We have to nullify that bracelet. 326 00:20:57,260 --> 00:20:58,780 SHE SIGHS 327 00:20:59,980 --> 00:21:01,820 So who are the big fish for us? 328 00:21:01,820 --> 00:21:04,020 Well, there's forensics still to come, the bracelet. 329 00:21:04,020 --> 00:21:05,380 That looks like a slam dunk, 330 00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:08,420 and then there's the whole Vendler thing. Yeah. 331 00:21:08,420 --> 00:21:11,460 And how many sleeps till Talitha? 332 00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:14,660 Well, all the Vendler stuff comes with a big warning sign 333 00:21:14,660 --> 00:21:16,100 marked admissibility. 334 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:17,380 Especially the widow. 335 00:21:17,380 --> 00:21:21,180 Hopefully, it'll just be the cherry on top of the forensics cake. 336 00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:23,260 I thought I might go an see Mrs Vendler. 337 00:21:23,260 --> 00:21:27,500 Just to warn her that the judge might bar her evidence as hearsay. 338 00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:31,580 Good idea. No coaching, obviously. 339 00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:36,300 Oh, don't worry, I understand James is really good with widows. 340 00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:38,220 OTHERS CHUCKLE 341 00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:38,220 Behave! 342 00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:39,780 I'm only teasing. And you'd be 343 00:21:39,780 --> 00:21:41,860 making that joke if I was a woman, right? 344 00:21:41,860 --> 00:21:45,020 Ooh, men have feelings, too. 345 00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:46,700 Let me know how it goes, will you? 346 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:48,060 No, I won't actually, Paula, 347 00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:49,980 because you've actually hurt my feelings. 348 00:21:49,980 --> 00:21:53,540 Aw! So I'm going to be mansplaining this to Jenny later. 349 00:21:53,540 --> 00:21:56,500 Oh, right. Well, see you. Good luck. 350 00:21:58,820 --> 00:22:02,460 So you're an academic too? Sort of. 351 00:22:02,460 --> 00:22:06,180 I teach part time on a creative writing course, and I also 352 00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:09,380 have a writer's grant. Really? What do you write? I'm a poet. 353 00:22:09,380 --> 00:22:12,180 Great. Why? 354 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:15,140 Sorry? Why is it great? 355 00:22:15,140 --> 00:22:20,100 Well, just, it sounds better than Crown prosecutor, I guess. 356 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:21,780 Do you like poetry, Mr Thornley? 357 00:22:21,780 --> 00:22:24,140 Jeez, I don't really read a lot any more, to be honest. 358 00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:25,580 Most people don't. 359 00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:28,260 That's why I also have to teach. 360 00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:30,900 There was a poem I liked when I was a kid, though. I think 361 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:33,780 it's called Flannen Isle. 362 00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:38,180 While three men dwell on Flannan Isle... 363 00:22:38,180 --> 00:22:39,740 That's it. 364 00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:42,500 The over-toppled chair. Spooky. 365 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:52,580 We still don't know if the judge will admit your evidence. 366 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:54,660 Both defences will argue that it's hearsay 367 00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:56,460 and shouldn't be heard by the jury. 368 00:22:58,140 --> 00:23:00,900 She sounds like quite a girl, this Talitha Campbell. 369 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:05,620 Looks ghastly in the newspapers. 370 00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:09,020 In fairness, they are emphasising the particular side to her. 371 00:23:09,020 --> 00:23:10,820 I suppose so. 372 00:23:10,820 --> 00:23:12,340 Lady Tease. Yeah. 373 00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:14,860 Poor little rich girl. Is she beautiful? 374 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:21,780 I guess. I mean, she wouldn't be my type, essentially. Why not? 375 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:25,780 I'm not sure. What is your type? 376 00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:29,340 I'm not sure about that, either. 377 00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:32,220 Are you a good husband? 378 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:35,820 I think you should ask my wife. 379 00:23:35,820 --> 00:23:38,140 Could you resist her? 380 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:40,540 Yes. 381 00:23:40,540 --> 00:23:43,220 Stephen said to me once there is no man who does not 382 00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:45,460 immediately evaluate a woman in terms of whether he would 383 00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:47,220 like to fuck her or not. 384 00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:53,140 Maybe that's true, but...normal life 385 00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:56,220 like happiness, society... 386 00:23:57,860 --> 00:23:59,340 ..luckily, they're not really 387 00:23:59,340 --> 00:24:01,220 dependent on people's thoughts, so... 388 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:06,060 ..it's not a very interesting or useful thing to say, really. 389 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:10,860 That's a good answer. 390 00:24:12,060 --> 00:24:15,700 Stephen didn't kill himself because I found out he'd slept 391 00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:17,140 with another student. 392 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:22,380 He killed himself because he had a conscience 393 00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:27,020 and he was convinced he had caused those two narcissistic monsters 394 00:24:27,020 --> 00:24:28,820 to murder that poor girl. 395 00:24:35,540 --> 00:24:39,220 CHANTING: Justice for Hannah! Justice for Hannah! 396 00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:41,060 Justice for Hannah! 397 00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:45,500 So there are many small diamonds and emeralds 398 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:50,860 arranged in 12 larger clusters of stones and 11 links between them. 399 00:24:50,860 --> 00:24:51,900 OK. 400 00:24:53,260 --> 00:24:56,060 With My Lady's permission? 401 00:24:56,060 --> 00:24:57,100 Go ahead. 402 00:25:00,740 --> 00:25:04,100 So you can see, it is a perfectly normal rucksack. 403 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:08,300 This is a replica of the one that Hannah kept in her cupboard, 404 00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:13,260 along with the sleeping bag used to dispose of her body in the river. 405 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:20,020 Dr English. We found a nylon fibre matching the constituent fibres 406 00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:22,580 of the rucksack in colour and composition 407 00:25:22,580 --> 00:25:27,300 caught in the bracelet Talitha Campbell was wearing to the ball. 408 00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:28,660 How did it get there? 409 00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:32,780 So we think when shouldering the rucksack, 410 00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:37,380 this part snagged in one of the casings holding the diamonds, 411 00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:39,140 which have tiny claws. 412 00:25:39,140 --> 00:25:41,580 So let me be very clear. 413 00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:47,460 A fragment from the rucksack used to dispose of the body 414 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:52,140 was found on a bracelet worn by Talitha Campbell? 415 00:25:52,140 --> 00:25:53,620 Yes. 416 00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:56,300 And what is your conclusion based on that? 417 00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:59,900 Well, given that the rucksack was used to weight the body, 418 00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:04,220 it strongly supports the idea that Talitha Campbell was involved 419 00:26:04,220 --> 00:26:06,780 in the disposing of the body of the deceased. 420 00:26:06,780 --> 00:26:08,260 LIGHT MURMUR 421 00:26:08,260 --> 00:26:09,500 No more questions. 422 00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:15,700 The rucksack used to weight the body, 423 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:20,180 that was Hannah Ellis' rucksack, am I correct? 424 00:26:20,180 --> 00:26:24,820 Yes. A rucksack she would have used on other occasions. 425 00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:26,860 I have no knowledge of that. 426 00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:30,860 The jury will hear she was given the rucksack along with the 427 00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:35,180 sleeping bag by her mother on her 19th birthday. 428 00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:36,980 I'll take your word for it. 429 00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:42,660 Do you know how long a micro fragment could remain trapped 430 00:26:42,660 --> 00:26:44,380 like that in a bracelet? 431 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:46,820 I don't have an estimate for that. 432 00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:48,500 Wouldn't have come loose any time soon? 433 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:51,500 I don't really understand your question. 434 00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:58,820 If Talitha Campbell had handled the rucksack at any point in the year 435 00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:01,100 that Hannah Ellis had owned it, 436 00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:03,780 could the nylon fragment have become snagged then? 437 00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:05,940 It grows increasingly unlikely that 438 00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:08,340 it would stay there over time, of course. 439 00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:11,740 Well, would it amaze you, Dr English? 440 00:27:11,740 --> 00:27:16,300 would it be like seeing rain falling upwards 441 00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:18,300 or Rovers winning at home? 442 00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:19,900 CHUCKLING 443 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:24,140 Not everybody understands a football joke, Miss Hemmings, but I assume 444 00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:27,020 you want us to consider this event is at the 445 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:28,460 outer limits of plausibility? 446 00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:31,740 I do, My Lady, and please excuse the levity. 447 00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:34,140 This is a most serious matter. 448 00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:37,540 As I say, I don't like to speculate. 449 00:27:37,540 --> 00:27:40,220 I'm not asking you to speculate. 450 00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:44,700 Could the nylon fragment have remained trapped 451 00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:46,380 for as long as a year? 452 00:27:47,620 --> 00:27:49,500 Yes, it is possible. 453 00:27:56,740 --> 00:28:00,180 They're obviously going to suggest that Talitha plus bracelet plus 454 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:05,220 rucksack came together on a previous date. When? No idea, but I'm sure 455 00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:09,060 we'll find out when they bring in their forensics and-or Talitha. 456 00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:11,700 Maybe they're bluffing and haven't got anything. 457 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:13,900 Do you think Talitha will give evidence? 458 00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:17,060 I imagine that's a question giving them a few sleepless nights. 459 00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:22,980 My guess, they're still working on the bracelet. 460 00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:27,340 Either way, they've got a massive accumulation problem. 461 00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:30,380 You can get away with one possible but unlikely. 462 00:28:30,380 --> 00:28:35,060 I still think with a scarf as well, we're ahead. 463 00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:39,100 What's happening with Talitha's porn history and the femdom stuff? 464 00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:43,020 Judge is giving her decision Monday morning. Can't see her allowing it. 465 00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:44,900 We don't need it. 466 00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,900 Lydia Vendler is the game changer. 467 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:49,780 Agreed. 468 00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:51,420 She is compelling. 469 00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:55,020 But both defences will be preying it's ruled as hearsay, 470 00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:57,740 given the real witness took a header off the towel 471 00:28:57,740 --> 00:29:00,620 and was clearly not in his right mind. Hm. 472 00:29:01,780 --> 00:29:05,420 What does that mean? Incoming coming metaphor. 473 00:29:05,420 --> 00:29:07,980 Don't bet the ranch on it. 474 00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:10,900 Which defence team will be most scared of Lydia Vendler, 475 00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:12,420 do you reckon? Talitha's. 476 00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:14,580 Good. 477 00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:18,740 That lot think they can buy their way out of anything. 478 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:21,940 HELICOPTER WHIRS 479 00:29:30,580 --> 00:29:33,540 So what happens next on the rucksack? We fired our gun 480 00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:35,580 and there are no more bullets left in the chamber. 481 00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:37,860 Amber Mortman is proving a bit elusive, 482 00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:40,220 disabled her social media and gone to ground. 483 00:29:40,220 --> 00:29:42,860 Well, find her. It's what I pay you for. 484 00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:45,220 Don't talk to me like that. 485 00:29:45,220 --> 00:29:46,420 But, yeah, we're on it. 486 00:29:46,420 --> 00:29:49,100 Which means they will only have our word for the idea 487 00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:51,380 that Talitha wore the bracelet to the festival. 488 00:29:51,380 --> 00:29:53,420 Did she say she did? 489 00:29:53,420 --> 00:29:54,900 It's Talitha. 490 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:56,060 OK. 491 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:58,540 The helicopter's here. 492 00:29:58,540 --> 00:30:00,900 I heard. Going anywhere nice? 493 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,380 Scotland. 494 00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:07,460 Oh. Not your thing, I imagine, Cleo. 495 00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:09,540 Not really. You disapprove. 496 00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:11,500 A bit, yes. Thought you might? 497 00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:14,580 Well, largely on aesthetic grounds. Oh, aesthetic grounds. 498 00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:16,100 That's right. 499 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:17,980 Care to elaborate. I'm intrigued. 500 00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:19,180 OK. 501 00:30:19,180 --> 00:30:21,740 I don't care for the whole look, 502 00:30:21,740 --> 00:30:25,180 from the Balmoral clothes to the Land Rovers. 503 00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:26,860 It's just not me. No. 504 00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:28,740 And while I'm not especially right-on, 505 00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:31,100 there is something deeply stupid to me 506 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,180 about blasting delicate creatures out of the sky 507 00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:37,540 just because you have the means to do so. Deeply stupid. 508 00:30:37,540 --> 00:30:41,580 Do you hear what your lawyer thinks about us, darling? I did. 509 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:43,660 But she's quite right. 510 00:30:43,660 --> 00:30:48,900 It is stupidly satisfying to blast something smaller than oneself 511 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,140 into a mass of blood and feathers. 512 00:30:52,460 --> 00:30:57,340 Have a nice weekend, everyone, and we'll reconvene Sunday evening. 513 00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:06,740 Spam! 514 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:10,740 Hey, look! 515 00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:13,780 I can't do it. 516 00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:20,420 I can't get up in that dock, not with them looking at me. 517 00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:22,300 Andrea, they're going to be in the docks, 518 00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:24,180 you're going to be in the witness stand. 519 00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:26,220 I won't be able to breathe. 520 00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:28,180 Or I'll scream 521 00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:31,820 or I'll be sick or worse. 522 00:32:31,820 --> 00:32:35,700 The questions will be very quick and easy. 523 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:38,100 Did you see Vendler? What did he say? 524 00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:41,380 It's not about the questions. 525 00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:46,260 I'm scared. 526 00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:47,940 I'm scared that I'll... 527 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:49,220 I'll let her down. 528 00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:50,900 I get it, Andrea. I understand. 529 00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:53,820 For whatever it's worth, 530 00:32:53,820 --> 00:32:56,300 I don't think you've ever let her down. 531 00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:02,580 What do you think Hannah would say? 532 00:33:07,660 --> 00:33:09,420 She's not here, is she? 533 00:33:10,540 --> 00:33:12,700 She can't say anything. 534 00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:17,620 Spam! 535 00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:20,340 Oh, she always does this. Spam! 536 00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:21,900 SPAM BARKS 537 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:23,380 Spam! 538 00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:14,260 Come on. 539 00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:16,260 Right, one, two three. 540 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:17,780 Ready. Go. 541 00:34:19,620 --> 00:34:20,780 Thank you very much. 542 00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:22,100 Oh, sweet baby James! 543 00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:23,820 All right? 544 00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:25,860 I bet you didn't know that was your nickname. 545 00:34:25,860 --> 00:34:26,900 Yes, I did, actually. 546 00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:30,060 Oh, you going to be going round to see and seeing Andrea? 547 00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:31,220 Andy, knock it off. 548 00:34:31,220 --> 00:34:34,220 What? Your special grief counsellor. Andy, I said, knock it off. 549 00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:37,340 Come on, Andy, that's not really on, mate. That's not really on, mate. 550 00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:40,580 I'm joking! Let me get you a drink, come on. 551 00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:42,580 I'm just going to say happy birthday to Paula. 552 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:45,020 Have you heard the latest odds on a double conviction? 553 00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:47,660 What was it? Five to 11? You fancy a bit of that? 554 00:34:47,660 --> 00:34:50,980 Well, I'm flattered you're so confident, but not on my salary. 555 00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:53,700 I'd put all that ball footage back in the schedule. 556 00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:56,180 Might improve it for him. Get him involved a bit. 557 00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:57,260 Yeah, very funny. 558 00:34:57,260 --> 00:35:00,540 What ball footage is that, then? 559 00:35:00,540 --> 00:35:03,580 Oh, what is it? It's evens on just Talitha, isn't it? 560 00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:05,180 Yeah, but who gives a fuck, eh? 561 00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:07,740 I'll just go say hi to Paula. Yeah. 562 00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:11,780 See you in a bit. 563 00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:13,220 James! How are you doing? 564 00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:14,980 Happy birthday. Thanks. 565 00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:17,700 You absolute plonker. Oh, we didn't know... 566 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,140 Of course he did. 567 00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:22,100 Two beers. 568 00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:23,860 Do you thank he did? 569 00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:32,860 TANNOY: The session is now resuming in Court Two. Courtroom Two. 570 00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:37,860 First, 571 00:35:37,860 --> 00:35:40,460 the pornographic history. 572 00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:42,020 I'm certainly not going to allow 573 00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:45,540 witnesses discussing Talitha's sexual behaviour in pornography 574 00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:49,340 to be taken as evidence of her own preferences. 575 00:35:49,340 --> 00:35:51,820 From a question of Lydia Vendler, 576 00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:53,820 I have given this very careful thought 577 00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:55,700 and I am going to allow her evidence. 578 00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:58,860 My Lady, if I might... Conserve your energy, Miss Hemmings, 579 00:35:58,860 --> 00:36:03,300 that is my decision having carefully considered the pros and cons, 580 00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:05,580 but I should warn the prosecution 581 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:09,460 I will be watching very carefully for anything I think 582 00:36:09,460 --> 00:36:11,620 is leading the witness. 583 00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:14,740 Now, I understand the first witness today is... 584 00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:16,780 Lucinda Imogen Bright. 585 00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:18,380 Thank you, Miss Bright. 586 00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:19,900 Mr Reynolds? 587 00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:23,460 Miss Bright, I'd like to start just by taking you through the reasons 588 00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:27,860 behind your complaint to the college authorities about Dhillon Harwood. 589 00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:29,820 It was very hard to describe. 590 00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:30,940 Of course. 591 00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:37,820 Did he ever take any photos and videos of you without consent? 592 00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:39,380 Yes. 593 00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:43,940 And did he ever turn up at inappropriate times 594 00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:46,540 when you were not expecting him? Yes. 595 00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:50,940 And he would leave me with presents, like those French China clowns. 596 00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:53,460 You mean Pierrot? Yeah, and it weirded me out. 597 00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:56,940 Sometimes he said that he hated possessions and that he wanted 598 00:36:56,940 --> 00:36:58,740 to, like, leave me all of his. 599 00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:07,020 Was there any...sexually inappropriate behaviour? 600 00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:09,780 No. 601 00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:15,060 Yes. 602 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:17,580 But that wasn't part of my complaint. 603 00:37:17,580 --> 00:37:19,060 My Lady... 604 00:37:19,060 --> 00:37:21,300 Stop there, please, Mr Reynolds. 605 00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:22,940 Members of the jury, 606 00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:26,300 a matter of law has arisen and we will now ask you 607 00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:28,500 to return to your room. 608 00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:35,420 I didn't. It wasn't like that at all. 609 00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,940 He started having sex with her while she was still sleeping. 610 00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:42,220 I didn't know that, though. 611 00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:43,540 We'd already had sex. 612 00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:46,500 Look, she's a nutter, everybody know that... She's a woman! 613 00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:49,860 Any woman can be sexually assaulted, including the nutters! 614 00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:52,380 I'd just assumed because we were already in bed together 615 00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:54,820 and she was letting me... And the lie about the condom? 616 00:37:54,820 --> 00:37:56,340 I misunderstood. 617 00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:57,700 Misunderstood? 618 00:37:57,700 --> 00:38:00,740 How the hell do you misunderstand "Are you wearing a condom?" 619 00:38:00,740 --> 00:38:02,580 OK, let's not get too emotional. 620 00:38:02,580 --> 00:38:05,460 The judge has ruled it inadmissible as it didn't form part 621 00:38:05,460 --> 00:38:07,340 of the complaint at the time. 622 00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:09,340 The jury will be suspicious, though. 623 00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:11,300 Oh, she's a complete liar. 624 00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:14,180 I'm going to have to go hard at her. Really? 625 00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:16,660 She's bad for Dhillon. 626 00:38:16,660 --> 00:38:19,980 Sit it out if you're faint-hearted, Meera, 627 00:38:19,980 --> 00:38:21,820 but we have no choice here. 628 00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:37,260 Miss Bright, I think it's correct to say that you've had your fair 629 00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:39,580 share of internet conflicts. 630 00:38:39,580 --> 00:38:42,780 Please be more specific with your question, Miss Baria. 631 00:38:42,780 --> 00:38:46,140 How are we supposed to evaluate a "fair share" in this day and age? 632 00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:49,420 You're quite right, My Lady. That was too vague. 633 00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:53,420 You once, for example, gave the personal details 634 00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:56,940 of an adversary online in a practice known as 'doxing'. 635 00:38:56,940 --> 00:38:58,420 I deleted it. 636 00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:00,660 Could you tell the court what that was about? 637 00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:02,780 So at the time, I was pretty into witchcraft. 638 00:39:02,780 --> 00:39:06,340 I'm sorry, could you just speak up a tiny bit for the jury? 639 00:39:06,340 --> 00:39:08,860 You were quite into..? Witchcraft. 640 00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:10,820 It's a thing, you know? But, like... 641 00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:13,620 But there was a dispute where you claimed another student 642 00:39:13,620 --> 00:39:17,740 was "negatively affecting the energy of the full moon". 643 00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:19,140 Well, yeah, because he was. 644 00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:20,620 Where's all this going? 645 00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:24,580 That student, also Asian, made a complaint against you 646 00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:27,540 that included an allegation of racial harassment. 647 00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:28,660 Am I correct? 648 00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:32,580 He was half-Malaysian, but... And that was upheld. Am I correct? 649 00:39:32,580 --> 00:39:34,180 Yes. 650 00:39:35,860 --> 00:39:39,340 Do you still consider yourself to be a witch? 651 00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:43,300 I consider it to be a legitimate identity, yeah. 652 00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:47,260 You believe being a racist witch a legitimate identity? 653 00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:48,820 What? No, I didn't... My Lady... 654 00:39:48,820 --> 00:39:49,980 Miss Baria, please. 655 00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:54,620 Let's just leave it as somebody who enjoys a complete fantasy, then, 656 00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:57,260 as the college disciplinary panel concluded 657 00:39:57,260 --> 00:39:59,380 in the case of Dhillon Harwood. 658 00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:06,180 Thank you, Miss Bright. 659 00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:14,580 Wow! 660 00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:16,980 SHE LAUGHS 661 00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:19,660 I just can't believe he had sex with Lucinda Bright! 662 00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:22,060 Not quite sure that's the big picture here. 663 00:40:22,060 --> 00:40:23,740 No, you're right. 664 00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:26,780 I can't believe he never told me about it. 665 00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:30,980 Can you believe this sexual assault? 666 00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:32,820 Why it's not, really. 667 00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:37,420 I mean, yes, I suppose you could say, 668 00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:39,420 but there's a lot worse than that. 669 00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:41,940 That's a debate for another time, but... 670 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:47,340 Do you consider what happened to you to be worse than that? 671 00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:53,020 Orange. 672 00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:56,460 I've been thinking about the festival 673 00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:59,340 and I was definitely wearing orange top. Right. 674 00:40:59,340 --> 00:41:00,580 We already know that. 675 00:41:00,580 --> 00:41:03,460 Which means I would have worn the bracelet because I liked it 676 00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:06,500 with that top. OK, good. 677 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:08,260 Keep thinking. 678 00:41:08,260 --> 00:41:11,540 And also, anyone else who might have photos? 679 00:41:12,740 --> 00:41:15,140 I'm OK until Jackson Browne. 680 00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:20,980 I remember him doing Stay, which was amazing. 681 00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:23,900 Maurice Williams and The Zodiacs did the original. 682 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:25,860 I did not know that. 683 00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:27,620 Well, now you do. 684 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:35,500 With what happened to me, by the way. 685 00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:39,260 Stealth was never the issue. 686 00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:01,420 Talitha was abused as a child. 687 00:42:02,740 --> 00:42:05,700 By her mother's friends. Shit! 688 00:42:06,740 --> 00:42:08,940 Has Talitha..? Sort of. 689 00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:12,020 We're getting there. 690 00:42:12,980 --> 00:42:15,820 OK, so what's the issue here? 691 00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:20,820 The issue is the case against Talitha is very strong. Um. 692 00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:24,540 The scarf, the bracelet, the history. 693 00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:27,100 And you're thinking of using her abuse 694 00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:30,300 to change the jury's perception of her. 695 00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:32,180 Risky. 696 00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:34,100 Damian Campbell won't let me. 697 00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:35,220 SHE SIGHS 698 00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:38,540 You do not want a big falling out with Damian. 699 00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:42,140 Uh... Bite the hand that feeds us, you mean? 700 00:42:42,140 --> 00:42:44,260 Yeah, I do mean exactly that. 701 00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:48,780 So Lucinda was a bit of a let-down. 702 00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:51,860 Yeah, Dhillon's defence battered her. It wasn't pretty. 703 00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:54,500 The Establishment Gets Ruthless Lawyers Shocker. 704 00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,260 Aye. I don't think Meera Harwood enjoyed it very much. 705 00:42:57,260 --> 00:42:59,820 If her son gets away with this, she'll learn to live with it. 706 00:42:59,820 --> 00:43:01,540 He won't. 707 00:43:01,540 --> 00:43:04,540 Unlike Cassidy, I don't just want Talitha. 708 00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:07,740 She needs to get that prejudice out of sight. 709 00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:11,540 On that note, Jenny, I heard something a bit disturbing. Mm-hm? 710 00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:18,340 So Andy Lowell was shit-faced at Cassidy's birthday party. 711 00:43:18,340 --> 00:43:21,100 At a cops' piss up? Surely not?! 712 00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:23,980 I get the impression that some of the 'not relevant' material 713 00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:25,780 could stand another look. 714 00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:31,220 It could always stand another look. 715 00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:35,460 The establishment has got good lawyers, James, 716 00:43:35,460 --> 00:43:37,140 so let them request it. 717 00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:42,260 Concentrate on what we want. 718 00:43:42,260 --> 00:43:43,860 A double conviction. 719 00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:46,900 Yeah. 720 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:52,540 CHATTER AND CLICKING CAMERAS 721 00:43:52,540 --> 00:43:54,740 How are you feeling today? 722 00:43:54,740 --> 00:43:56,980 Do you have any comments? 723 00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:04,820 TV: The mother of Hannah Ellis 724 00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:07,780 arrived at Bristol Central Crown Court today 725 00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:10,780 to testify in the case against Talitha Campbell 726 00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:12,380 and Dhillon Harwood. 727 00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:14,900 She's expected to reveal the details of a visit 728 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:19,020 she received from Dr Stephen Vendler on the day he died. 729 00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:40,700 I'm going to be billing you by the minute, Cleo. 730 00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:43,020 Cash monies up front. 731 00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:44,420 I'm on legal aid. 732 00:44:45,740 --> 00:44:48,340 You're a hard man to track down, Troy. 733 00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:51,460 Yeah, I've been sorting out some business in Cannock. 734 00:44:51,460 --> 00:44:54,540 Um! I'll start preparing the mitigation plea. 735 00:45:01,580 --> 00:45:05,660 So you came up with the name Lady Tease? Right. 736 00:45:05,660 --> 00:45:06,860 How come? 737 00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:08,780 Well, Lady T at first 738 00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:12,460 because her name's Talitha and she's posh. 739 00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:17,900 Lady Tease when she wouldn't let me fuck her. 740 00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:20,140 OK, I see the progression. 741 00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:22,700 Hey, them papers making her out to be some kind of slag, 742 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:25,140 but actually she could be pretty picky. 743 00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:28,340 So you and Talitha were kind of friends? 744 00:45:29,380 --> 00:45:32,540 Are we friends, Cleo? No. 745 00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:34,180 No, see? 746 00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:37,300 I bet you're pretty picky as well, aren't you? 747 00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:39,220 Rein it in, Troy. 748 00:45:39,220 --> 00:45:43,100 Look, some punters can tolerate more than others, do you get me? 749 00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:44,900 Did you? 750 00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:48,540 I'd more time for Talitha than most of them students. 751 00:45:48,540 --> 00:45:52,380 Why? Because she didn't try and go all street on me, 752 00:45:52,380 --> 00:45:53,900 like some of them. 753 00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:56,180 It's downright embarrassing the way they talk, 754 00:45:56,180 --> 00:45:58,740 as if they didn't grow up in Custard-upon-Thames. 755 00:46:00,980 --> 00:46:03,460 You admired that about her. 756 00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:04,900 Yeah, I did. 757 00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:08,180 It's why I won't go to them scum from the papers, 758 00:46:08,180 --> 00:46:11,060 tell them all what Tals was like in bed and that. 759 00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:12,780 Fair play. 760 00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:14,780 You can't, though, can you? 761 00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:16,940 Oh, more's the pity, Cleo! 762 00:46:19,180 --> 00:46:21,140 But I've got an eye for a bull-shitter. 763 00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:25,180 Can spot them from a distance. 764 00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:28,340 And Tal, she is what she is and she made me laugh, but... 765 00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:31,340 She ain't no bull-shitter. 766 00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:35,820 So what about the credit cards? 767 00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:38,900 What about them? 768 00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:40,820 Did Talitha give them to you? 769 00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:42,220 Nah. 770 00:46:42,220 --> 00:46:43,940 Did Dhillon? No. 771 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:53,300 You land me with a witness summons, I blame everything on Talitha, 772 00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:55,780 let's get that clear for a start. 773 00:46:57,220 --> 00:46:58,700 Go on. 774 00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:10,660 Troy Manor's sister. Mm-hm. 775 00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:14,580 She was helping him sell drugs at the ball, but at some point Jodie 776 00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:16,260 makes her way to the cloakroom... 777 00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:18,620 Saw the bags and spotted an opportunity. 778 00:47:18,620 --> 00:47:22,060 Got interrupted when she had nicked just one or two. 779 00:47:22,060 --> 00:47:23,940 Hannah probably didn't even notice, 780 00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:27,420 although these days you can just stop your card through an app, 781 00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:29,620 which is what the others probably did. 782 00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:32,340 Hannah's was passed to a contact in the West Midlands, 783 00:47:32,340 --> 00:47:34,420 where it was mainly used at stations. 784 00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:36,740 We can check out any others, but there's no point 785 00:47:36,740 --> 00:47:37,940 in him giving evidence. 786 00:47:37,940 --> 00:47:40,580 Complete waste of time. 787 00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:41,740 Not at all. 788 00:47:41,740 --> 00:47:43,700 One, the card issue was bugging me, 789 00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:45,420 so now we know. 790 00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:47,540 And two, 791 00:47:47,540 --> 00:47:48,980 he likes Talitha. 792 00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:51,100 Oh, fantastic (!) 793 00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:54,460 A reference from some drug-dealing scummer. 794 00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:57,300 Not all drug-dealers are scummers and he likes Talitha 795 00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:59,940 because "she's not a bull-shitter". 796 00:48:00,940 --> 00:48:03,180 And "funny". 797 00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:07,060 Funny. She can be quite funny, actually. 798 00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:08,140 HE SIGHS 799 00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:13,540 And it made me realise there's a Talitha the jury might respond to. 800 00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:14,940 Risky. 801 00:48:14,940 --> 00:48:18,060 We're past the point of non-risky options a long time ago. 802 00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:21,380 So she gets up on stage. 803 00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:23,500 What's her opening gag? 804 00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:24,940 The truth. 805 00:48:24,940 --> 00:48:26,740 About? 806 00:48:26,740 --> 00:48:28,140 Everything. 807 00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:31,940 Well, that is risky. 808 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:38,660 For all concerned. 809 00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:43,660 So... 810 00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:50,260 ..tread very carefully and always consider the 811 00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:52,300 wider picture. 812 00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:56,260 My family reputation, it's very important. 813 00:48:57,540 --> 00:49:00,940 Not to mention your business image. 814 00:49:00,940 --> 00:49:02,500 Not to mention that. 815 00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:10,660 Can I tell you what won't be funny, though, Cleo? 816 00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:12,020 Go on. 817 00:49:12,020 --> 00:49:14,300 If you make me unhappy, 818 00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:17,980 your exile after the Hargreaves case 819 00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:21,860 will feel like a holiday in the Maldives. 820 00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:25,700 There are definitely no third chances. 821 00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:29,140 And I'll bear that in mind. 822 00:49:40,540 --> 00:49:42,620 ON TAPE: What make of scarf is it? 823 00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:44,780 I don't know, I got it a charity shop. 824 00:49:44,780 --> 00:49:46,780 Can't find in your flat. 825 00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:47,980 Maybe I lost it. 826 00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:50,860 Where? If I knew that, it wouldn't be lost. 827 00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:04,460 SHE SINGS 828 00:50:27,860 --> 00:50:31,180 REPORTER: Today, the focus of the trial shifts towards allegations 829 00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:33,700 of harassment on the university campus 830 00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:35,700 and the role of Dr Stephen Vendler, 831 00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,260 who was responsible for hearing an earlier case 832 00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:40,140 against Dylan Harwood. 833 00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:43,340 The complication being, of course, that no-one can question 834 00:50:43,340 --> 00:50:47,500 Stephen Vendler due to the fact that he took his own life. 835 00:50:57,420 --> 00:51:02,220 Mrs Vendler, you saw your husband before he left 836 00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:04,580 for Andrea Ellis' home? 837 00:51:04,580 --> 00:51:05,700 Yes. 838 00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:07,940 And did you see him again after that? 839 00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:09,300 No. 840 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:12,500 How would you describe his condition? 841 00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:13,780 Very bad. 842 00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:17,340 He was overcome with worry about our family in the wake 843 00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:19,140 of the press reports. 844 00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:22,180 And he believed he had caused the death of Hannah Ellis. 845 00:51:22,180 --> 00:51:23,340 Why? 846 00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:26,020 Because he had told the student he was sleeping with that 847 00:51:26,020 --> 00:51:28,260 Hannah Ellis had complained about her friend. 848 00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:30,500 The student being? Talitha Campbell. 849 00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:31,980 And her friend being? 850 00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:34,660 The other person in the dock with her, I believe. 851 00:51:34,660 --> 00:51:37,660 Anyway, apparently she was angry. Why? 852 00:51:37,660 --> 00:51:40,860 I don't know. You would have to ask her that. 853 00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:44,140 And you did not see him again after that? 854 00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:45,740 No. 855 00:51:45,740 --> 00:51:48,700 He texted shortly before he died. 856 00:51:52,220 --> 00:51:54,340 Had he ever referred to Miss Campbell 857 00:51:54,340 --> 00:51:57,020 before the newspapers got hold of their affair? 858 00:51:57,020 --> 00:51:59,460 No, not really. 859 00:51:59,460 --> 00:52:02,340 He talked about Hannah, though. 860 00:52:02,340 --> 00:52:06,340 He liked her and was extremely impressed by her. 861 00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:08,780 Exacerbating his remorse? 862 00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:10,540 I don't know. 863 00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:12,540 But that seems a fair assumption. 864 00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:15,980 OK. 865 00:52:15,980 --> 00:52:17,780 Thank you, Mrs Vendler. 866 00:52:19,780 --> 00:52:22,140 He did tell me something about Talitha, though, 867 00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:23,460 after the news broke. 868 00:52:23,460 --> 00:52:24,900 Ah, My Lady... 869 00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:30,020 May I remind you that you may give evidence as to what your late 870 00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:32,660 husband told you Talitha had said, but not... 871 00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:35,220 He said she had no soul 872 00:52:35,220 --> 00:52:37,460 and was preternaturally cruel. 873 00:52:38,460 --> 00:52:41,780 He also told me Talitha had discussed her fantasies with him, 874 00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:44,300 which involved killing another girl during sex. 875 00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:46,380 My Lady! That is enough. 876 00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:49,540 Are you sure about this? Mr Reynolds! 877 00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:50,900 Quite sure. 878 00:52:58,020 --> 00:52:59,580 No further questions. 879 00:53:09,860 --> 00:53:14,980 Naturally, Mrs Vendler, you feel anger at Talitha Campbell. 880 00:53:14,980 --> 00:53:18,540 I'm not sure it's natural and it's certainly not correct. 881 00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:22,860 You don't feel anger at the person who destroyed your marriage? 882 00:53:22,860 --> 00:53:24,980 She had no obligations to me. 883 00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:31,300 And so we are just supposed to take your word for the fact 884 00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:35,580 that your husband told you that his lover admitted 885 00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:41,180 to fantasising about exactly the crime of which she is accused? 886 00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:44,860 Yes, I am asking you to take my word for it. 887 00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:51,220 You're a part-time poet, I believe. 888 00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:55,660 Someone used to imaginative flights. 889 00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:56,820 Yes. 890 00:53:56,820 --> 00:53:59,300 And also quite capable of remembering something 891 00:53:59,300 --> 00:54:01,180 my husband said. 892 00:54:01,180 --> 00:54:03,940 It's part of your job to embellish things, isn't it? 893 00:54:03,940 --> 00:54:06,300 It's part of your job, as well. 894 00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:10,020 But I imagine you can still sustain a reasonably honest conversation 895 00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:11,700 at the dinner table. 896 00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:16,740 What I'm getting at is... I'm well aware of what you're getting at. 897 00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:19,740 It's not your everyday conversation, is it? 898 00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:21,340 "Soulless"? 899 00:54:21,340 --> 00:54:24,100 "Preternaturally cruel"? 900 00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:27,900 Don't these words sound a little invented? 901 00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:31,220 A little poetic license? 902 00:54:33,860 --> 00:54:35,220 Mrs Vendler? 903 00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:37,020 It wasn't a conversation. 904 00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:39,260 Smoke signals? Sign language? 905 00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:40,300 Miss Hemmings. 906 00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:42,300 I'm sorry, My Lady, but... 907 00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:43,660 It was a letter. 908 00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:49,300 Um... There is no reference to a letter... 909 00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:52,260 From the hotel after he fled Andrea Ellis' house. 910 00:54:53,820 --> 00:54:55,820 It arrived after his death. 911 00:54:57,620 --> 00:55:02,460 I haven't shared it with anyone because it is deeply private. 912 00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:07,100 And contains very intimate details of our marriage. 913 00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:13,060 But it will substantiate all the evidence I have given 914 00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:15,060 in court today 915 00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:17,740 and I can produce it if the court so requires. 916 00:55:20,580 --> 00:55:24,220 My husband certainly believed that both of the accused killed 917 00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:25,340 Hannah Ellis... 918 00:55:25,340 --> 00:55:26,740 SHE SINGS TO HERSELF 919 00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:29,020 ..and that he was the indirect cause. 920 00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:35,580 Thank you, Mrs Vendler. We'll stop here. 921 00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:41,500 Start thinking about a plea change in mitigation. 922 00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:44,700 She's done for. 110397

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