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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,800 - This is the only mass witch trial in Ireland. 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,280 - A woman seems to become the trigger of demonic possession. 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,200 - She's crying out in pain, whole body tremors. 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,160 - The reason the demon is afflicting this person 5 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:24,160 is because a witch has sent the demon. 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,760 - She has tortured herself by ghostly attackers. 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,520 It is a haunted place and it's haunted by this witch trial. 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,120 [screaming] 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,160 [whispering] 10 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,600 ♪ ♪ 11 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,320 - Islandmagee is in County Antrim. 12 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,880 County Antrim is what is now Northern Ireland. 13 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,520 It sticks out just above Belfast in Northern Ireland. 14 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,040 Ann Haltridge is an elderly matriarch. 15 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,640 She's Presbyterian of Scots descent 16 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,680 and she's also the widow of Reverend John Haltridge. 17 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,000 - Ann Haltridge moved to Islandmagee 18 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,920 in order to spend her last years looked after by 19 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,280 her son's family. 20 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,240 [Andrew Sneddon] Ann lived in Knowehead House. 21 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:37,560 It was a stone's throw away from the Presbyterian church. 22 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,520 Ann lives there with her son James and his wife, 23 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,760 two children and his servant, Margaret Spear. 24 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,560 [Ronald Hutton] But everything starts to go wrong. 25 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,920 [crow cawing] 26 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,360 ♪ ♪ 27 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,960 [Andrew Sneddon] Ann Haltridge is reading on her own 28 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,360 and suddenly stones start hitting her. 29 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:04,600 She can't see where they're from. 30 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,120 They're coming through the window 31 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,960 and bashing her right in the back of the head. 32 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,120 [Ronald Hutton] And the household sees weird things going on. 33 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,280 Bedclothes are disarranged. 34 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,320 Some of them are rearranged in the shape of a 35 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,680 corpse on the bed. 36 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,800 [Andrew Sneddon] She goes to bed that night and what she 37 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,680 starts feeling, terrifyingly, is this presence crawling 38 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:34,480 slowly up her feet, up her legs and over her head. 39 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,800 She hears them scratching and noises. 40 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,680 So Ann Haltridge is beginning to wonder what's happening. 41 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,600 ♪ ♪ 42 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,280 - Ann is also haunted by an apparition of a demonic boy. 43 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,720 [Andrew Sneddon] And he is a small boy. 44 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,960 She tells the household they think 45 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,320 is basically a beggar. 46 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,880 [Marion Gibson] She doesn't think so and whether 47 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:09,840 he's real or not, 48 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:12,600 he seems to her to be a manifestation of the devil. 49 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,000 [Andrew Sneddon] The main witness is the servant, Margaret Spear. 50 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,160 [Marion Gibson] The boy says the devil has taught him to read. 51 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,920 To people in the 18th century and particularly 52 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,520 extreme Protestants, like the Haltridge family, 53 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,080 they would have thought of it as a demonic phenomenon. 54 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,560 [Andrew Sneddon] This is a Presbyterian Protestant 55 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:37,280 community where you learn about God. 56 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,960 You learn about your duties to the Christian faith 57 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,080 through reading. 58 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,040 It's very important. 59 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,280 [narrator] Then, as suddenly as he appeared, the boy is gone. 60 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,440 For several months, an uneasy peace falls on Knowehead House. 61 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:59,200 But on the 12th of February, 1711, the boy returns. 62 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,800 [Andrew Sneddon] He's threatened to kill everybody in the house. 63 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,800 He produces a sword and starts digging a grave. 64 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,080 He says to Margaret Spear, "I'm digging this grave for 65 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,880 your master, James Haltridge. 66 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,360 "He's dead. I've killed him." 67 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,040 We know that that's not the case. 68 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,080 ♪ ♪ 69 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,360 [Marion Gibson] What Ann and her family are experiencing 70 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,760 is a phenomenon called obsession. 71 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:26,560 And that's when the devil is trying to possess you, 72 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,280 but actually he's outside your body. 73 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,280 He can't quite get in. 74 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,600 So obsessed people would be people 75 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,040 who would see strange visions, to whom weird things like 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,840 stone throwing might happen. 77 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,240 And this was all because the devil was thought 78 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,960 to be controlling their body and their mind externally. 79 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,520 - People could be tormented by demons in various ways. 80 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,600 This so-called demonic obsession might proceed 81 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,560 in some extreme situations into full bodily possession, 82 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,880 whereby the demon ceases merely to menace externally 83 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,240 the victim, but actually enters the body. 84 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,040 Bad spirits could get inside a person through the mouth 85 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,880 or through some other orifice. 86 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,480 [Andrew Sneddon] What starts off as something outside of the body 87 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,120 starts to internalize. 88 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,440 [Ronald Hutton] Ann claims to be the victim of stabbing pains 89 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,040 administered by invisible antagonists, 90 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,760 who are demons as far as the Presbyterians are concerned. 91 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:40,680 [Andrew Sneddon] With anything like this, where they're being 92 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,280 attacked by a demonic entity, the first port of call 93 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,200 is the local minister, Reverend Sinclair. 94 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,080 He is a leading man in that small community. 95 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,560 His church is at the center of that community. 96 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,440 He believes in witchcraft. 97 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,360 He lives in a community that believes in witchcraft. 98 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,040 Reverend Sinclair comes in and starts praying 99 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,120 for Mrs. Halditch. 100 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,840 If this was a Roman Catholic priest, 101 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,240 he may have performed the ritual of exorcism. 102 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,880 - If you're trying to rescue a possessed person 103 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,040 from the demon that is possessing them, 104 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,680 what you're doing is you're exorcising that person, 105 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,760 commanding the demon to depart. 106 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:29,600 [Andrew Sneddon] And you're using the sign of the cross. 107 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,120 Sometimes you use a bit of holy water. 108 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,240 [Julian Goodare] Protestants reject all these consecrated objects and they say, 109 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,520 "Well, that's just Catholic superstition. That's wicked." 110 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,120 But as a result, they leave themselves 111 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,680 with a relatively limited range of techniques. 112 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,480 [Andrew Sneddon] They can't command. 113 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,760 What they can do is pray. 114 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,320 [narrator] To ease her terrible suffering, 115 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,800 Reverend Sinclair prays for Ann Haltridge. 116 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,760 But it is not enough. 117 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:59,160 Her condition worsens. 118 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:06,840 And on February 27th, 1711, she dies. 119 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,360 The cause of death, unknown. 120 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,120 ♪ ♪ 121 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,600 [Marion Gibson] You'd expect the period of mourning for her 122 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,560 to be very solemn, to be very quiet. 123 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,440 [Ronald Hutton] But shortly after her death, 124 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,400 another extraneous relative arrives at Islandmagee. 125 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,680 [Andrew Sneddon] James' cousin, Mary Dunbar. 126 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:38,240 She is from Castlereagh , which is just outside of Belfast. 127 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,680 She's a stranger to Islandmagee. 128 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,320 She says she hasn't been within 15 miles of the place before. 129 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,920 [Ronald Hutton] Mary is around 18 years old and no sooner has 130 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,920 she settled into the household than all the weirdness 131 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,040 breaks out again. 132 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,640 [Marion Gibson] On the 27th of February, 133 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,200 Mary Dunbar finds a fabric parcel. 134 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,160 [Ronald Hutton] An apron that's been tied up in weird knots. 135 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,720 Now, the tying and untying of knots 136 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:13,200 is a traditional means of working magic by witches. 137 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:18,200 - Many cultures have elaborate protective magics, 138 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,280 typically a knotting spell will be a way 139 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,080 of trying to set a spell. 140 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,960 You work the spell and at the moment where you say 141 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,680 you conclude the spell, you tie the knot 142 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,120 and the knot acts to fix the spell. 143 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,920 All of this is sympathetic magic. 144 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,800 [Andrew Sneddon] The sympathy's between the intended victim 145 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,440 and their belongings. 146 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,760 So you do one and it happens to the other. 147 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,040 [Ronald Hutton] So it's assumed that because the knots are in a 148 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,120 weird pattern that there's some kind of magic involved. 149 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,440 ♪ ♪ 150 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:55,520 Guess what? 151 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,720 Mary Dunbar elects to untie the knots and see what happens. 152 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,040 [narrator] Mary Dunbar pulls at the cursed knots. 153 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,720 The apron unfolds and a curious object falls to the floor. 154 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:18,200 A bonnet that belonged to the recently deceased Ann Haltridge. 155 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,920 [Marion Gibson] By untying it, Mary seems to have let out 156 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:28,000 some sort of demonic force, which then fastens on her. 157 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,040 [Andrew Sneddon] And witches use something belonging to the 158 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,800 victim to bewitch it. 159 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,280 Whatever they do to the object belonging to them 160 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,720 happens to the individual. 161 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,560 [Ronald Huttdon] It's now Mary Dunbar who is the apparent 162 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,280 center of the demonic attacks. 163 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,040 [Andrew Sneddon] She's screaming out, caught with a 164 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,640 stabbing pain and then she goes into convulsive fits. 165 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,480 ♪ ♪ 166 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,680 [Darren Oldridge] Demonic possession was recognized 167 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,720 by well-established symptoms. 168 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,280 Physical contortion, unnatural bodily strength. 169 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,880 Endless fits. 170 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,320 Trances. 171 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,120 [Darren Oldridge] And also a recoiling from holy objects 172 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,840 like blessed water or crucifixes and simply the word of God. 173 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,760 Now one further indication of demonic possession 174 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,720 was that a possessed person would accuse somebody else 175 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,840 of casting a demon into their body. 176 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,360 It's because of this that very often, 177 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,560 demon possession was associated with witchcraft. 178 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,520 [Ronald Hutton] Mary Dunbar claims to be attacked 179 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,160 by the spirits of witches. 180 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,960 [Andrew Sneddon] She starts to go into trances and she starts 181 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,000 to see the images of women attacking her. 182 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,040 [Ronald Hutton] She can visualize their features. 183 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,400 [narrator] In the midst of the spectral attack, 184 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,000 she hears the name of one of her tormentors, 185 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Janet Carson, a local woman unknown to Mary. 186 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:14,360 [Ronald Hutton] The Reverend Sinclair proceeds to 187 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,720 investigate things as best he can. 188 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,360 [Marion Gibson] There's a test that's been performed 189 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,560 since the 16th century for witchcraft, 190 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,400 which is to bring the suspected witch close 191 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,760 to the supposedly obsessed or possessed person 192 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,840 and see if they react to it, even if they can't see 193 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,600 the witchcraft suspect. 194 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:38,640 [Andrew Sneddon] The approach of the person who has bewitched you 195 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:39,880 will make you worse. 196 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:46,840 Sympathetic magic, the cause and the effect coming together. 197 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,240 [Marion Gibson] So this is done with Janet Carson. 198 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,360 She's brought into the room and of course the 199 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,920 victim does react and that's held to confirm 200 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,440 that she must in fact be a witch. 201 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,040 [narrator] Janet Carson is the first person accused of 202 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,960 witchcraft in Islandmagee, but she won't be the last. 203 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,200 ♪ ♪ 204 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,200 [Andrew Sneddon] It made perfect sense that the 205 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,800 Haltridge households would be attacked by the devil. 206 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,360 They were pious. 207 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,680 It was a godly household. 208 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,960 It was a light in the darkness. 209 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:25,280 [birds chirping] 210 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,880 So the question is, why Mary Dunbar? 211 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,280 She's young, she's educated, she's the type the devil 212 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,320 would try to tempt, try to corrupt. 213 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,520 He is after all in the popular mind, 214 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,000 the great corruptor and the great tempter. 215 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,920 ♪ ♪ 216 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,600 And she's a perfect target, just like Ann was before her. 217 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,760 Mary Dunbar's fits continue. 218 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,520 Convulsive, whole body tremors that were lasting 219 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,080 up to eight minutes and she's able to point 220 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,800 towards two further women. 221 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,320 Janet Liston and Elizabeth Sellor. 222 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,600 They're a mother and a daughter. 223 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,440 [narrator] Mary can even describe the witches. 224 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,040 They're short and one struggles to walk, 225 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,160 but Reverend Sinclair is cautious. 226 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,720 Can he trust these visions? 227 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,680 [Andrew Sneddon] They are living in an era of increasing skepticism. 228 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,320 They know that these symptoms can 229 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,760 and have been faked in the past and they want to make sure. 230 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,840 They don't want to send an innocent person 231 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,000 to jail or worse. 232 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,920 So they continue to test. 233 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,520 [Julian Goodare] There is a passage in the Bible that says, 234 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,920 "Believe not every spirit, "but try the spirits 235 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,920 whether they are of God." 236 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,880 If you encounter a spirit, if you encounter 237 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,400 something supernatural, you have to work out what it is. 238 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,320 If somebody else has encountered a spirit 239 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,440 or encountered something supernatural, 240 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,600 you have to question them to work out what it is. 241 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:05,640 It could be a good thing or it could be a bad thing. 242 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,200 The good spirits, you've got angels, 243 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,680 bad spirits, the devil and demons. 244 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:17,040 So if you encounter a spirit, it could well be a demon. 245 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,280 [Marion Gibson] Again, a test is arranged. 246 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,120 A lineup is organized, a bit like an identity parade 247 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,680 and it contains about 30 different women. 248 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,840 It's expected that because Mary Dunbar 249 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,120 is not from Islandmagee, that it will be a 250 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,760 good test of her to see if she can 251 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,080 recognize the women whose names she's already 252 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,800 been mentioning as suspects. 253 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,360 Not only does she pick out the suspects in the lineup, 254 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,520 she actually reacted in a very extreme manner to them. 255 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,120 This is thought again to be proof of their witchcraft. 256 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,320 [Andrew Sneddon] Reverend Sinclair quizzes Janet and Elizabeth 257 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,880 on the Bible, but also to say the Lord's Prayer. 258 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,000 This is a classic test of witchcraft. 259 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,880 [narrator] Janet Liston and Elizabeth Sellor stumble 260 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,600 as they recite the Lord's Prayer. 261 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,440 To the pious, this is a sign. 262 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,160 The devil has their tongue. 263 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,920 [Ronald Hutton] This in the end convinces the Reverend 264 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,400 that there is a case and he then takes it to the authorities. 265 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,320 [Andrew Sneddon] To do so, they have to go to the main legal power 266 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,480 in the local area, Mayor Edward Clements, 267 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,280 he is justice to the peace and they investigate 268 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,360 charges that are serious. 269 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,440 They are responsible for drawing up witness statements 270 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,320 or depositions and for jailing people 271 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,840 to appear in the criminal court. 272 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,560 They are usually gentry. 273 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,040 They're usually of independent means 274 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,880 and they're Protestants and they decide whether 275 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,240 it's worthy of looking into. 276 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,400 In this case, Mayor Edward Clements does investigate it. 277 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,200 [narrator] March 4th, 1711, Mayor Clements arrives 278 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,600 in Islandmagee to launch his investigation. 279 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,200 Here, he is told a new apparition 280 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:14,520 threatens Mary Dunbar, but only the Christian name 281 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,880 of this elusive witch is known, Catherine. 282 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,120 [Marion Gibson] This time the tests are slightly different. 283 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,200 Edward Clements rounds up all the Catherines in his district 284 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,480 and brings them to Mary to see if she knows 285 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,680 which one is the witch and she does. 286 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,760 She picks out Catherine M'Calmond. 287 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,080 Catherine M'Calmond's house is searched. 288 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,960 [Andrew Sneddon] Edward Clements is following very, 289 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,680 very careful instructions in our Justice of the Peace Manual 290 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,920 that summarizes the 1586 Irish Witchcraft Act 291 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,880 that makes witchcraft illegal in Ireland. 292 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,280 They're governed by English law, 293 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,000 even though they are Scottish Presbyterians in Ireland. 294 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,800 And what the authorities are looking for 295 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,280 are things like wax images into which pins or thorns 296 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,760 might've been stuck in order to afflict 297 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,720 Mary Dunbar and others. 298 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,360 They're also looking for animal familiars. 299 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,640 [Andrew Sneddon] This is an English trope, 300 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,480 but they're looking for it and they can't find anything. 301 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,040 [door creaks shut] 302 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,000 [narrator] Back at Knowehead House, the apparent demonic 303 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,040 possession of Mary Dunbar grows ever more intense. 304 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:34,240 [Marion Gibson] There's this circus that develops around Mary Dunbar. 305 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,040 She is talking about demonic visions. 306 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:38,680 [Andrew Sneddon] Five women have been accused. 307 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,520 How many more will be accused? 308 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,080 How many more people will be dragged 309 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,880 from their homes and tested? 310 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,120 [wind blowing] 311 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:57,560 ♪ ♪ 312 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,400 [Marion Gibson] Until the early 18th century, 313 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,960 Irish people don't seem to have been nearly as obsessed 314 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,440 with witches as was the rest of Europe. 315 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,800 [Andrew Sneddon] Although there are plenty of accusations, 316 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,120 there are very few formal prosecutions. 317 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,240 There was a famous case of Alice Kyteler, 318 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,880 the Kilkenny in 1324. 319 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,680 She runs away, but her associate is executed. 320 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,920 In 1655, with Marion Fisher, it's quashed and she's let off. 321 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,160 Florence Newton in 1661. 322 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,680 She is accused of bewitching a young servant. 323 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,160 It's assumed she was found guilty and executed. 324 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,680 [trap door bangs open] 325 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,560 [Marion Gibson] Irish people seem to have other ways 326 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,960 of explaining the supernatural, whether that's to do 327 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,440 with fairies or ghosts or supernatural creatures. 328 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,720 [Andrew Sneddon] But in Islandmagee, 329 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,960 you're dealing with a different belief system. 330 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,680 You're dealing with Presbyterians 331 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,760 looking for new lives coming from Scotland. 332 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,720 [Diane Purkiss] The Elizabethan settlement policy 333 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,520 was in full swing in the North, and the idea was 334 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,280 basically to displace the indigenous Irish population, 335 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,520 which was Catholic and Gaelic speaking, 336 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,080 and replace it with an English-speaking 337 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,440 Protestant population, mostly imported from Scotland. 338 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,320 It's that population who are already coming from a culture 339 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,480 where witchcraft beliefs are common 340 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,680 and witchcraft prosecution's normal. 341 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,200 Therefore, it's significant that the Islandmagee trial 342 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,280 happens fairly far north at exactly the part of Ireland 343 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:42,440 that's been most thickly settled with Protestants. 344 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,920 ♪ ♪ 345 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,480 [Ronald Hutton] They are also Presbyterians, members of the 346 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,800 Scottish Protestant Church, which is far more 347 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,240 radically Protestant than the Church of Ireland, 348 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,000 and in a mutual hostility with it. 349 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,160 It's an island of potential witch hunting 350 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,800 transplanted to a new land. 351 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,320 [birds chirping] 352 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,000 [Andrew Sneddon] They brought a genuine belief in the devil, 353 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,960 and they brought a belief in witchcraft. 354 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,920 [indistinct shoutiing] 355 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,800 But this is the early 18th century, 356 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,240 and the court system that the Justice of the Peace 357 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,800 has to use is an English imposition. 358 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,520 [Marion Gibson] Witch trials had become harder and harder to hold. 359 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,680 Judges were much more resistant to the idea of 360 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,720 holding a witch trial or allowing the suspect 361 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,320 to be convicted. 362 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,080 By that point, people have started asking better questions 363 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,680 about whether witchcraft exists or not. 364 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,360 There were changes in the way that evidence was demanded. 365 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,040 There needed to be more evidence, basically, 366 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,600 before they could be convicted. 367 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,200 [Andrew Sneddon] What they really want is a voluntary confession. 368 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,960 You cannot torture under English common law for a confession. 369 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,840 So the physical evidence of witchcraft 370 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,200 becomes more important. 371 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,280 ♪ ♪ 372 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:14,520 So Mary Dunbar. You don't have to look too hard 373 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,960 for the evidence, really. 374 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,560 She is a body of evidence. 375 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,760 The demon inside her doesn't want to hear 376 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,840 the prayers of Sinclair. 377 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,440 So reacts to the prayers, and she goes into 378 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,960 fits and convulsions. 379 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,800 Her teeth have been so tightly clenched together, 380 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,960 they have to feed her through a quill 381 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,160 and open her teeth with a key. 382 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,880 Her spectral visions gets worse. 383 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,360 [♪ discordant music] 384 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,320 She names her further two suspects, 385 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,360 Janet Main and Janet Latimer. 386 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,320 Janet Main is from Broadisland, outside of Islandmagee. 387 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,800 The net of suspects has been cast wider. 388 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,880 ♪ ♪ 389 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,800 Janet Latimer is unable to answer questions put to her, 390 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,760 and she can't say the Lord's Prayer. 391 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,440 Neither can Janet Main. 392 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,280 Mayor Clements has got enough evidence, 393 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:15,800 so he puts them in jail to await trial, 394 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,760 which will be in a few weeks' time. 395 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,920 They'll also be put in chains and bolts 396 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,720 to stop them leaving their body spectrally. 397 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,640 Iron is used to counteract magic in Ireland. 398 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,640 It is a very folkloric thing. 399 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,040 It's embedded in the popular consciousness. 400 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:41,240 It looks strange to modern eyes, but putting them in 401 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,440 chains is very important to the process of 402 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,920 protecting Mary Dunbar. 403 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,640 Because they're incarcerated, because the iron is stopping 404 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,000 them using their magic, Mary Dunbar is 405 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,520 able to rest easy. 406 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,160 [♪ music slowly ends] 407 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,720 [birds squawking] 408 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,200 It should be over. 409 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,560 [♪ uneasy music begins] 410 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,640 But it isn't. 411 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,040 The fits start again. 412 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:16,080 [distorted noises] 413 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,360 The convulsions start again. 414 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,080 [narrator] After the latest demonic attacks, 415 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,200 Mary Dunbar names two new witches. 416 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,640 Janet Miller and Margaret Mitchell. 417 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,920 [Marion Gibson] It's been asked why Mary doesn't simply 418 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,560 leave the house, if it's become so uncomfortable for her 419 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,480 and she's so afflicted when she's in it. 420 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,760 But she says, and it's proved by her actions, 421 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,320 that every time she tries to leave, she's afflicted again. 422 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,560 She falls down in what appears to be a feint or a trance. 423 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,400 As soon as she crosses the threshold of the house. 424 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,440 [Diane Purkiss] Threshold magic is based on the idea 425 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,760 that a house is something that keeps things out 426 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,280 and also keeps things in. 427 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,120 At the points where there are openings, 428 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,240 whether those are windows, doors or chimneys, 429 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,480 there's always a possibility of something sneaking in 430 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,360 that you didn't want to be in there. 431 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,600 [Ronald Hutton] The main means by which evil can get in, 432 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,120 or good, can be penned in. 433 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,760 If you want to keep somebody indoors, 434 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,440 is to stick a curse on the doorstep. 435 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,720 [Diane Purkiss] It's sometimes just a marking, which can even 436 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,040 be made with chalk. 437 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,960 It could be children's shoes, the skull of a horse, 438 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,560 the body of a cat. 439 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,360 All these are magics that are intended 440 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,320 to make you feel a bit sick and walk away. 441 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,000 And that's what threshold magic is. 442 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,080 And it's very big to this day in Ireland, 443 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,400 and there are very many survivals of it 444 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,000 in the British Isles overall. 445 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,880 [Marion Gibson] So on the 5th of March, local officials dig up 446 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,880 the threshold of the house, and lo and behold, there's 447 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,560 a terrible smell of sulphur. 448 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,400 So they think, well, we've uncovered the 449 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,960 source of the magic here. 450 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,720 Perhaps now Mary can leave the house. 451 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,920 [narrator] Escaping the evils of Knowehead House, 452 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,560 Mary Dunbar finds a sanctuary in the home of a trusted friend 453 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,600 in the nearby town of Larne. 454 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,800 [Andrew Sneddon] Larne is just across the water from Islandmagee. 455 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,520 It's a small town. 456 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,760 You get there by boat from the tip of the 457 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,200 peninsula of Islandmagee. 458 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,520 It's on the way to Carrickfergus, 459 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,280 where the court would be. 460 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,120 When she's going there, it should be an easy journey. 461 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,640 But when she's on the way, she sees Janet Main in a 462 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,440 spectral form, threatening her. 463 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,920 This should be impossible, because she's safely 464 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,320 locked up in jail, and she's chained and 465 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,680 unable to escape her body. 466 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,000 But here she is again... 467 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,000 ..having a further attack on Mary Dunbar. 468 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,680 [♪ music intensifies] 469 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,000 [♪ uneasy music playing] 470 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,720 [Andrew Sneddon] How does Main appear to Mary Dunbar? 471 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,880 She's meant to be locked up in jail. 472 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,240 Well, rather than being bolted up all day, which 473 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,240 they should have been, they've been taken out 474 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,760 of jail by the jailer. 475 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,600 She's actually been taken to his house to card and spin linen, 476 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,400 taken out of her bolts and out of prison. 477 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,400 And this allows them to spectrally attack Mary Dunbar. 478 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,480 [narrator] Having spent two weeks safely in Lorne, 479 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,520 Mary Dunbar must make the journey to Carrickfergus. 480 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,560 Carrickfergus, where the accused witches await their trial. 481 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,600 [Marion Gibson] The judges meet Mary Dunbar. 482 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,000 They do so because they're really cautious 483 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,120 about staging the trial at all. 484 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,720 But they must have been convinced that she was 485 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,880 a compelling witness. 486 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,160 They were struck by the fact that she seemed ladylike, 487 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,960 she seemed educated, she seemed respectable, 488 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,760 and she seemed innocent. 489 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,520 And so the trial went ahead. 490 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,680 [Andrew Sneddon] Both in the court and outside of the court were packed out. 491 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,640 It was a big deal. 492 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,840 [Ronald Hutton] They are tried by two professional judges, 493 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,680 but with a local jury deciding the verdict. 494 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,200 [Andrew Sneddon] This trial had 19 witnesses. 495 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,720 They're brought in randomly and it's hard to follow the case. 496 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,240 The range of religious and political might 497 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,080 is against these poor, marginalised women. 498 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,440 You can imagine how frightening this would have been. 499 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,640 But they stood up for themselves. 500 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,560 [Ronald Hutton] None of the women have confessed, 501 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,800 which is quite unusual. 502 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,360 [Marion Gibson] The judges were very concerned to keep stating 503 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,120 the importance of reaching a fair verdict, 504 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,880 and they warned continually about the consequences. 505 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,160 [Andrew Sneddon] And we've got a problem here. 506 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,080 [Ronald Hutton] One of the judges supports the evidence 507 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,000 and the other judge says the evidence is preposterous. 508 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,000 [Darren Oldridge] The kinds of arguments that people were 509 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,680 making against the criminal prosecution of witches 510 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,480 were increasingly accepted by the later 17th century 511 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,440 and the early 18th century than had perhaps 512 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,040 previously been the case. 513 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:40,760 Many educated people began to accept a model of the world 514 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,600 that operated according to the principles of mathematics 515 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,640 and what today we might think of as natural science. 516 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,360 And that view of the world, for many people, 517 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,480 was incompatible with the idea of evil spirits and bewitchment. 518 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,120 [Diane Purkiss] The Islandmagee case is a perfect example of a 519 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,520 case where the elite don't side with the popular belief at all. 520 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,480 It becomes characteristic of the best-educated people 521 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,080 to be really sceptical about witchcraft 522 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,280 and to set out to disprove it. 523 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,360 Increasingly, people treat people who purport 524 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,880 to be demonically possessed or bewitched as mental cases, 525 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,880 who says this girl is not possessed, she's 526 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,120 simply hysterical and she just needs 527 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,080 medical treatment. 528 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,080 So it certainly becomes possible increasingly 529 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,600 to think of what would once have been regarded 530 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,200 as witchcraft for sure as something else altogether, 531 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,160 something scientific and something entirely secular. 532 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,840 [Ronald Hutton] Trouble is, the jury is Scot's Presbyterian, 533 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,040 which thoroughly believes in the power of the 534 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,480 devil and of witchcraft, and so it proceeds to convict. 535 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,680 [Marion Gibson] They weren't sentenced to death, 536 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,680 but they were sentenced 537 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,560 to a year in prison and they had to make four 538 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,480 appearances at the pillory in local market towns. 539 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,640 Put in a contraption which imprisons the 540 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,120 head and the hands, so you're standing helpless. 541 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,200 The problem there is you can't defend your face 542 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,200 and so if the crowd is against you, and in Islandmagee it is, 543 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,320 they will pelt you and you could be seriously injured. 544 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,560 [Andrew Sneddon] The other punishment is imprisonment for a year. 545 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360 These prisons are not designed to punish people 546 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,760 for any length of time. 547 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,840 They're there for short stay, so being there for a year 548 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,160 must have been horrendous. 549 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,240 [Marion Gibson] They were dirty, they were full, 550 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,040 overflowing with people, so there was no privacy. 551 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,400 From the smell, the presence of your fellow prisoners, 552 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,520 some of whom would have been quite dangerous. 553 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,960 ♪ ♪ 554 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,280 [Andrew Sneddon] These women fought with everything they had 555 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,440 against these charges and they didn't have much. 556 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,120 They were poor, they were marginalised, 557 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,520 but they didn't go along with it. 558 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,920 They were fighting against it. 559 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,200 They stood up in court where the great and the good 560 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,120 were ranged against them and they said, 561 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,720 "No, we didn't do it." 562 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,560 None of these women, till the end, admitted it. 563 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,360 And for that, we should be terribly proud of them. 564 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,040 ♪ ♪ 565 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,040 [Marion Gibson] Even after the conviction of the 566 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,560 eight suspects, the matter was not over for Mary Dunbar. 567 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,200 [Andrew Sneddon] She is still being demonically possessed 568 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,680 when everybody she's accused is in jail. 569 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,280 A man threatens her with a knife, in spectral 570 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,680 form, and stabs her. 571 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,040 [muted screaming] 572 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,080 They have a look at her shoulder. 573 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,280 They can see a physical scar on her shoulder 574 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,480 where she's been stabbed. 575 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,320 [narrator] Mary Dunbar is able to recognise and name her attacker. 576 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,560 William Sellor. 577 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,760 [Andrew Sneddon] William Sellor is husband to Janet Liston 578 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,600 and father to Elizabeth Sellor. 579 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,480 William Sellor is tracked down to a tavern. 580 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,120 Then he is arrested. 581 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:22,920 But it's not over. 582 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,440 It takes a dramatic turn. 583 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,480 In late April, William Sellor's accuser, 584 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:37,160 the centre of the whole case, Mary Dunbar, dies suddenly. 585 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,080 ♪ ♪ 586 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,120 ♪ ♪ 587 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,840 [Andrew Sneddon] We know about the death of Mary Dunbar 588 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,280 because it's reported in the newspaper. 589 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,680 And it's very stark. 590 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,960 It just says, "The person who accused witches 591 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,800 "and the police who were lately tried at Carrickfergus is dead." 592 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:05,960 It doesn't tell us why. 593 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,120 [Marion Gibson] And that changes the fate of William Sellor, 594 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,600 who is in jail for practising witchcraft against her. 595 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,240 It changes his trial to one which appears to be about 596 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,400 murder of Mary Dunbar. 597 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,600 William is suddenly on trial for his life. 598 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,920 [Andrew Sneddon] Under the 1586 Witchcraft Act, 599 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,240 if you murder using witchcraft, you can be executed. 600 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,480 He is tried and he is found guilty. 601 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,440 We don't know if he was executed. 602 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,160 We can't find his body. 603 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,080 But he was found guilty, so it's assumed it was carried out. 604 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,360 [Ronald Hutton] And if that happened, it would have been a 605 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,920 spectacularly late execution for witchcraft in the 606 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,880 history of the British Isles, one of only three 607 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,520 in Irish history, and an entire generation 608 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,360 after witch executions had ceased in England. 609 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,920 This is an amazing story, and it's so recently discovered, 610 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,240 we haven't really yet got our heads round it. 611 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,600 ♪ ♪ 612 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,120 [Marion Gibson] It's difficult to say what happened in the 613 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,520 case of Mary Dunbar. 614 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,640 Did she really think that she was being afflicted 615 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:20,280 by supernatural forces? 616 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:25,160 [Darren Oldridge] Demon possession was regarded with 617 00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:27,920 some suspicion because, of course, it was possible to fake. 618 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,280 [Julian Goodare] Demonic possession starts to become 619 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,240 more prominent in the later stages of 620 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,840 the great European witch hunt. 621 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,640 There comes to be a sort of shared body of knowledge 622 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:42,000 as to how a demoniac should behave. 623 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,720 Presumably Mary Dunbar may well have heard about 624 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,080 the other recent cases and known how to behave. 625 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,600 My impression is that there is some psychological disorder 626 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,360 of some kind behind much of this. 627 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,320 These demoniacs are not simply faking the whole thing, 628 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,320 but they're just being encouraged to behave in 629 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,040 certain specific ways to take the symptoms of 630 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,920 their psychiatric disorder in a particular direction. 631 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,920 [Andrew Sneddon] Historians warn of imposing modern medical 632 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,880 diagnosis onto the past because diseases change. 633 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,600 People who are trying to find modern medical explanations 634 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,480 are relying on evidence that is quite sparse. 635 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:33,040 Now, if it was an illness, did she fake it? 636 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:38,120 She is a young woman in a very restrictive family. 637 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,560 She has constraints placed on what she can 638 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,280 do and what she can't do. 639 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,000 It's also a way for her to challenge the 640 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,200 restrictions placed on her. 641 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,160 This allows her to behave in ways that would be 642 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,440 otherwise unacceptable. 643 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,480 So this brings her to centre stage. 644 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,240 It's a drama of her own creation. 645 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,480 [Marion Gibson] That still doesn't explain everything, though. 646 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,000 Some of the things that she describes 647 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,320 couldn't have been done by one person acting alone. 648 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:17,840 She would have to have had help. 649 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,440 [Andrew Sneddon] When you look at Ann Haltridge's demonic obsession... 650 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,760 ..Mary's possession... 651 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,040 ..one of the people who see it all is the 652 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,120 servant, Margaret Spear. 653 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,080 Mary Dunbar probably needed help faking it 654 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,280 because things happen when she's not there. 655 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,160 It would also explain why Mary could track these people down 656 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,440 through their names and through what they looked like. 657 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,640 It could have came from Margaret Spear. 658 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:53,680 [Ronald Hutton] Who identified people for her, briefed her 659 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,120 and helped set things up for her. 660 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,040 [Andrew Sneddon] She's from that area. 661 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,640 She may have known these people. 662 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,800 So there is things we can't explain. 663 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,480 But so much can't be. 664 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,920 [narrator] It's most likely these events were caused 665 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,680 by Mary Dunbar and Margaret Spear fighting for attention. 666 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,120 But so much remains unexplained. 667 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,400 What caused Ann Haltridge's possession and death? 668 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,640 How could Janet Main's attack occur 669 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,880 just as she was taken out of prison? 670 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,720 And what was behind the mysterious death of Mary Dunbar? 671 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,400 [Julian Goodare] This is the kind of witchcraft case that 672 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,360 you get in the later stages of the great European witch hunt. 673 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,920 It's very colourful. 674 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,040 It's very dramatic. 675 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,280 It's also controversial. 676 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,800 Either the story is of, yes, she was genuine, 677 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,000 or indeed the story is, yes, she was faking. 678 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,640 These are both stories that people want to tell 679 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:00,800 and sometimes you see both stories being told 680 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:01,920 about the same person. 681 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,840 [Ronald Hutton] But her sudden death is an extraordinary event, 682 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,240 presumably a complete coincidence. 683 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,640 But it's the kind of thing of which true melodrama is made. 684 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,280 [Marion Gibson] We'll never really know what happened in the 685 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,280 case of Mary Dunbar, but it does make 686 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,640 a fantastic story and it convinced the 687 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,360 judges at her witch trial. 688 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,200 [narrator] Despite many unanswered questions, 689 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,520 the trials in Islandmagee have ended. 690 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,440 But their horrors continue. 691 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,440 [Andrew Sneddon] The Islandmagee case is unusual in Ireland. 692 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,520 [seagull calling] 693 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,520 Nine people were convicted for witchcraft 694 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,200 and it is the only trial in Ireland 695 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,720 that a man is prosecuted and convicted 696 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,640 and, as far as we know, hung for witchcraft. 697 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,800 When the rest of Europe is stopping prosecuting witches, 698 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,480 this is at the point a trial happens in Ireland. 699 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,440 But in Islandmagee itself, it is a haunted place 700 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,360 and it's haunted by this witch trial. 701 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:19,680 It haunts the folk history. 702 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,520 People won't go past Knowehead House at night. 703 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,040 There's an old rocking stone that witches are 704 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,720 said to have danced on at night and people 705 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,040 not go near it. 706 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,720 But something has changed by the early 18th century. 707 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,160 In Ireland, there is no more witch trials. 708 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:44,480 Nobody is formally prosecuted and there's no convictions. 709 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,640 [Julian Goodare] The great European witch hunt does have an overall arc. 710 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,840 It goes up and then it goes down again. 711 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,680 [narrator] Ireland's last ever witch trial is over 712 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,120 and mass trials and accusations of witchcraft 713 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,880 fade away throughout the Western world. 714 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,240 [Andrew Sneddon] We are at a point of change and part of the 715 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,800 reason is an increase in judicial scepticism, 716 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,080 finding it hard to get convincing proof of witchcraft. 717 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,880 In the mid to late 17th century, we start to get judges 718 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,480 and legal writers being more sceptical about 719 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,120 witchcraft prosecutions. 720 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,600 [Diane Purkiss] In order for witch trials to happen 721 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,160 and for people to be prosecuted and executed, 722 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:40,040 the elite, the top 20% at least, have consistently to believe 723 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,360 that there are real witches and that they are a real threat. 724 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,840 The actual prosecutions stop happening 725 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,360 because the elite no longer believe. 726 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,000 [Ronald Hutton] And when they doubt the evidence, 727 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,160 their trials end because they're pointless. 728 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:57,280 And when trials end, the laws against witchcraft get repealed. 729 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,680 Then convictions subside. 730 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,480 ♪ ♪ 731 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,640 The other thing is that witch hunting doesn't work. 732 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,680 It doesn't produce better luck, better weather, better children. 733 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,200 Instead, it disrupts and demoralises 734 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,840 and decimates communities. 735 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,720 And the Protestant and Catholic have failed 736 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,400 to wipe each other out, so they're having to learn 737 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,840 to tolerate each other. 738 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,720 [Julian Goodare] Each side wants to prove that it's more godly 739 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,720 than the other lot. 740 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,680 They both hate witches, but the biggest change is that 741 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,400 they want to stop killing each other for it. 742 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,720 [Marion Gibson] The world is moving towards a change 743 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,840 in the way that people think about society, about each other, 744 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,520 and a belief in greater tolerance, in not 745 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,360 killing each other, and of being more charitable 746 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,000 towards other people. 747 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,160 [Ronald Hutton] So it looks as if God is lightening up. 748 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,120 The weather gets better. 749 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,120 Christian Europe gets stronger and more self-confident 750 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,360 in defeating its enemies. 751 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,120 Epidemic disease recedes for the first time 752 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,280 in hundreds of years. 753 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,160 ♪ ♪ 754 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:11,760 [Darren Oldridge] The people who accused others of witchcraft 755 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,000 were afraid of witches. 756 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,720 They were dealing with what seemed to them 757 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:22,960 to be real dangers in the world, and a genuine desire to 758 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,080 deal with a dangerous but difficult crime. 759 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,400 And that has been lost, because today we don't 760 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,240 believe in bad magic, and with it our appreciation 761 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,680 of the genuine fears of people in the past, 762 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,520 and it prevents us from appreciating truly 763 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,960 the tragedy of witch persecutions, 764 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,920 because if we imagine the people that accused 765 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,960 others of witchcraft as being malicious or 766 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:58,400 suffering from hysteria, then we won't take the lesson, 767 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,280 which is that well-meaning and rational people 768 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,840 might sometimes make terrible mistakes, 769 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,080 and that seems to me to be a much more 770 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,400 important lesson to take from the age of what we think 771 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,960 of today as witch hunts. 772 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,440 [fire crackling] 773 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,760 [Julian Goodare] The great European witch hunt has gone. 774 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,240 [Marion Gibson] But that's only the story in Western Europe 775 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,600 and North America. 776 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,560 ♪ ♪ 777 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,440 Around the world today, witch trials still continue. 778 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,320 In Southern Africa, in Indonesia, 779 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,880 parts of the Indian subcontinent and Nepal. 780 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,360 That's perhaps another story. 781 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,000 But it's the story of ongoing witch trials. 782 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,440 We're still in the era of the witch hunt today. 783 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,320 ♪ ♪ 64297

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