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[ominous music]
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Stephen King is
just quite hard
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to adapt, right,
because 90% of his books
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take place in someone's head.
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And it's not just
someone's head,
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but it's like their backstory.
It's their mother.
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It's how they grew up.
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It's this like interesting
story about these pair of pants
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they're wearing and
why they're important.
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And that's why we love
to read Stephen King.
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But you can't do that
in a 90-minute movie.
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It doesn't translate.
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It doesn't work.
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And so all of these
people, God bless them,
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who chose to adapt Stephen
King, that's a tough job, right?
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And there's some that I think
really work and some that don't.
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You could do a whole season of
just the King and all the work
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in film that his writing
has inspired from the stuff
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at the very bottom that is
still kind of wonderful--
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and I'd love to watch the
Graveyard Shifts of the world--
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all the way up to
cinema classics.
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What are the must see
Stephen King adaptations?
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[classical music]
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JOE HILL: The very best
Stephen King adaptations
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are not horror films.
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The very best of them would
be Shawshank Redemption
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and Stand By Me--
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You guys want to
go see a dead body?
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which aren't scary pictures.
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They have scares in
them, but they're
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clearly not horror films.
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Why did he have to die, Chris?
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Why did Danny have to die?
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One of the reasons that
Shawshank and Stand By Me were
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so effective is
because the filmmakers
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were free to focus on the rich
inner lives of those characters.
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Hope is a dangerous thing.
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Hope can drive a man insane.
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JOE HILL:--whereas
with the horror films,
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they always find
themselves in competition
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with the scares on the page.
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I'm coming for you, Rachel.
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And that is a competition
they are almost always destined
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to lose that it's
always going to be more
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frightening on the page
and in the reader's
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imagination than anything they
can possibly get on the screen.
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BOY 1: Georgie.
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BOY 2: Bill.
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[ominous music]
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[muffled speech]
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Of the horror films there's
no doubt that the best of them
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is Andy and Barbara Muschietti's
take on It chapter 1.
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I think It chapter 1 is and
what the Muschietti has put
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on the screen was
better than anything
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De Palma managed, anything
that Kubrick managed.
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Part one is a masterpiece.
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I think everything works
so well in that movie.
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And it's also so much love
for Stephen King that--
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[ominous music]
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that's a book that
changed my life.
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And when I watched the movie,
I was like so relieved.
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It's like, oh, he nailed it.
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Stan, we all have to go.
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That's a fantastic
adaptation because it stayed so
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close to the source material.
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No.
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No.
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It felt like the book.
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You know, I got that feeling
of the struggles of being a kid
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and how you're going
to figure that out--
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Boop, boop, boop, boop.
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[laughs]
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the monster kind of being
representative of all of that.
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[laughter]
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One of the reasons the film
is so effective and so powerful
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is that we sense
that the Muschietti's
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care about those kids.
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Stay cool, Ben
from social class.
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Yeah.
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You too, Beverly.
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Think tough new
kid on the block.
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JOE HILL: They respect
and love those kids.
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And that compassion for Bev and
Bill and Ben and Stan and Eddie
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run so deep that we can't
help but be swept up by it
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and care for them as well.
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And so when they're
put in mortal danger,
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we feel it very deeply.
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That seems like one of
the main elements you need
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for a successful adaptation
is taking a little bit of time
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to build that world and to
put those characters forward.
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I'm not afraid of you.
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You can't just
lead with the action.
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You can't lead with the horror.
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You have to lead with the
protagonist and the world
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around them.
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Oh, The Mist,
oh, the movie that
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will never leave your brain.
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Oh, the way you feel
the cold wetness
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of what that mist must have
felt like and that almost like
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got in my mouth.
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It tasted sort of moldy.
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What's it, daddy?
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Mist.
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Yeah, it's the darkest
of all adaptations,
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[laughs] the one
in which humanity
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gets to really show its colors.
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The Mist mostly takes
place in a supermarket.
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There is a big storm, all these
people go to the supermarket
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to get supplies.
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And during that time,
a mist rolls in.
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Something in the mist.
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Something in the
mist to John Lee.
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And monsters come
out of the mist.
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[screaming]
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But the thing that's scary about
the movie is not the monsters,
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it's the people.
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Well, it is this kind of
hubris that brought the wrath
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of God in the first place.
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This kind of pride
and defiance of--
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[bangs]
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You know so much
about this community
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so quickly because they
are both specific point
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of view characters and
universal stereotypes.
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So you can immediately
click in, but then
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King has created
such specific voices
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for every single character.
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And the adaptation honors
that in a beautiful way.
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Well, if you need a friend.
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I have a friend, God up above.
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I talk to him every day.
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The story is about human
dynamics, what happens to people
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when they're under pressure.
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Shut up you miserable buzzard.
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You old bitch!
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No, no, no, no, no.
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But who are you?
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Are you the crazy lady
in the supermarket?
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Or are you the hero who's going
to try to actually help people?
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Douse the lights.
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[screaming]
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Look out!
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Look out!
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Frank had always been very
much a formalist as a filmmaker.
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His movies were
very studio style.
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They were very elegant and
precise and well thought out.
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After he had done a
pilot for a TV show,
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he completely changed his
philosophy about filmmaking.
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Glass is going to give.
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[glass shattering]
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And The Mist is very by
the pants, a lot of handheld
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and a lot of CG
that's very realistic
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looking, especially considering
the year that it came out.
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At the very
beginning of the movie,
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there is a woman who is like,
I have to go find my family.
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I can't--
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I can't stay here.
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I got to get home to my kids.
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[ominous music]
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And she leaves.
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And you just assume that these
monsters just ate her right up.
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But instead they're
in the car at the end,
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and they realize these
monsters are everywhere.
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There's nothing they're
going to be able to do.
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So he takes the gun.
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He kills everyone in the car.
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[gunshots]
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And then he realizes
there's no bullets
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left for him to kill himself.
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[screaming]
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[bangs]
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So he gets out of the
car ready to sacrifice
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himself to the monsters--
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[ominous music]
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only to have the military
pull up at that exact moment
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with the woman who
left in the opening.
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She made it.
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She made it through the end.
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She had the best
idea the whole time.
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And it is so dark.
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The ending of The Mist is
such a powerful and ballsy
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change to do because
the novella has
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a completely different ending.
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They just keep going.
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And there's some
sort of hope, and
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Darabont was like, fuck hope.
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[chuckles]
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[screaming]
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To put your protagonist
in that state in the end
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the movie there was
probably the cruelest thing
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in the history of horror films.
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But it was honest.
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You don't have much
faith in humanity, do you?
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None whatsoever.
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Gerald's Game was something
I wanted to make for years.
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As soon as I read it,
I thought this is going
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to be a hard movie to make.
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Nobody's going to want
to make this movie
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because it's basically 90
minutes of a naked woman chained
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to a bed.
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And how do you make that happen?
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And if I couldn't do it, I'm
glad that Mike Flanagan could
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because I just think he's one
of the best guys out there.
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Gerald's Game was
a feat of filmmaking.
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Jessie and Gerald go to
this house to try to like
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spice up their marriage.
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And in doing so, Gerald
handcuffs her to the bed.
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This is good.
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You'll like this.
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It's not working for her.
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Daddy's going to
get what Daddy wants.
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Fucking stop it!
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Uncuff me now.
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And he gets angry
about this and starts
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talking about how badly
their marriage is going
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and during that
has a heart attack
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and falls on top of her dead.
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So now she's alone
in this House--
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Gerald
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BREA GRANT:--with her
dead husband on top of her.
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Gerald.
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And the entire movie takes
place with her handcuffed
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and trying to get out
of these handcuffs--
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No!
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Somebody help!
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BREA GRANT:--while
her husband is taunting
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her from beyond the grave.
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You can pull to
your wrists break,
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you're not getting
out of those cuffs.
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He is dead, but
yet sticks around
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because he is a shitty husband.
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[laughs]
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[classical music]
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Gerald's Game is
probably one of the best
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adaptations of taking
an unfilmable story
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and bringing it to screen.
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Mike Flanagan did an incredible
job because in the book,
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the voices in her head
are multiple characters.
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And narrowing that down to
just one version of her talking
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to herself--
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He put you in those handcuffs
way before Gerald did.
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is a brilliant solution
because otherwise you kind
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of get lost in the character
drama, and that's not
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what it's about, right?
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Jesus.
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It's about the need to
survive and distilling it down
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to that moment of survival--
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The last thing
I want is to have
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to take you to
the emergency room
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and have your finger sewn back,
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which then blows everything
up like a nuclear bomb
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as we're all sitting
there with our hands
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over our eyes just not wanting
to watch that degloving--
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[moaning]
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Gerald's Game is some of the
only horror movie gore that has
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ever made me feel lightheaded.
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[ripping]
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[crying]
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The scene where she
degloves herself
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to get out of the
handcuffs, I genuinely
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felt nauseous and dizzy.
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And that just not
happened to me.
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I watch horror
movies for a living.
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But for some reason, that
scene really got to me.
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It's disgusting.
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[crying]
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And Carla Gugino, chef's kiss.
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Carla Gugino is one of
the most underappreciated
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actresses of our generation.
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She approached that part with
such a relentless bravery.
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At every turn, there was a lack
of vanity or a lack of fear.
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She just dove in and
ripped herself apart.
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I mean, just to be handcuffed to
a bed not even for three days,
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but for shooting days.
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I think it was 16
days in that position.
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So the physical demands
of the role aside,
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the emotional demands of
that role playing both sides
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of the character and
dealing with the trauma
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she was dealing with as
the character, flawless.
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[suspenseful music]
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[rumbling]
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Girl, I don't have the balls
to wear anything like that.
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Don't I wish.
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Just give me a beer.
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[suspenseful music]
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Holy old Jesus!
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And now, may the Lord
bless you and keep you.
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May the Lord make his
face to shine upon you.
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So give us your report, Craig.
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Tell us how much
money you made for us.
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I ain't taking
the rap on this.
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I locked this place
up every night.
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It's not my fault if
every pervert, weirdo--
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Don't talk to me.
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Go talk to someone in charge.
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[rumbling]
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On the day of my judgment
when I stand before God
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and he asks me why did I kill
one of his true miracles,
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what am I going to say?
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MICK GARRIS: When you're
adapting Stephen King,
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you got to realize
that the story is
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the most important
thing and the people
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are the most important things.
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So many people just use
it as a jumping off point.
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I ain't never seen
me flick a show.
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But King's books and
stories are very cinematic.
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Paul Sheldon: I guess it was
kind of a miracle you finding
me.
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No, it wasn't
a miracle at all.
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In a way, I was following you.
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You were following me?
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Well, it wasn't
any secret to me.
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You were staying at the
Silver Creek seeing as how I'm
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your number one fan and all.
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Don't move now.
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I wouldn't want
to hurt this neck.
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Misery feels like a
really strong adaptation.
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It actually felt a
lot like the book
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and like a lot of the
best King adaptations.
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It also has the directors
eye on it, stank on it.
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James Caan is driving along
one day in this blizzard,
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and he gets in a wreck.
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[bangs]
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And thank God, Kathy Bates,
Annie, she finds him.
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And she takes him
back to her house.
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And she's going to nurse
him back to health,
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but it turns out that
she's also a big fan.
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How weird?
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Oh, Paul, I've read
everything of yours.
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The misery novels, I know them
all by heart, all eight of them.
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I don't think there's
ever been a movie that
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sort of centered on a
frumpy sort of character
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like that becoming
the main character
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and the killer and the film.
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It was really scary at the time.
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A character like Kathy Bates
was always sort of like the MPC.
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They were just someone
in the background.
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Right.
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Misery really put that type
of character in the foreground.
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Kathy Bates was
terrifying in that movie.
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They just cheated us.
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This isn't fair.
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He didn't get out of
the Cockadoodie car.
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The performance that
Kathy Bates gives,
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there's nothing like it.
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There's never been
anything like it.
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There will never be
anything like that
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in the pantheon of horror.
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She's so exquisite.
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When you first
came here, I only
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loved the writer
part of Paul Sheldon,
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but now I know I love
the rest of him, too.
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I have this gun.
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[clicking]
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Sometimes I think
about using it.
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As a writer myself,
the idea of being
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held hostage by a superfan
is already so terrifying.
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But wow, she is basically
the portrait of the superfan
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you never want to meet.
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You did it.
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You murdered my misery.
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Hey.
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[clattering]
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She ends up having a
say in his new manuscript.
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And her say is that
she does not like it,
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and he needs to rewrite it.
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And it becomes this horrible
fan versus creator movie.
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You're going to write a new
novel, your greatest achievement
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ever Misery's Return.
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Misery's return?
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I know you didn't mean
it when you killed her,
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and now you'll make it right.
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KATE SIEGEL: There's
something about the marriage
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of the filmmaker and the
source material in Misery
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that just radiates
through your body.
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The slow burn of the obsession
and the realization of what
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the author is going through, I
mean, when she brings the sledge
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hammer out to smash his
ankles, I don't think there's
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a person in the world
who doesn't tense up.
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Kathy, please.
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[screaming]
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It's just a
perfectly paced film.
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Almost done, just one more.
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In the novel, she
chops his foot off.
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[screaming]
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00:18:27,193 --> 00:18:30,848
And I think this was so
much harder to watch.
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God, I love you.
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00:18:37,899 --> 00:18:40,945
And Cujo, my God, I read
the book in like one day.
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[suspenseful music]
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And I think he wrote
it in two or three.
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What are you growling at?
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Such an intense movie,
it's so brilliant because it
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doesn't need to go big.
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It's just the simplest thing.
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[growling]
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I talk to writing students all
the time about the brilliance
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of a story like Cujo, which
you could just characterize
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as a mother and son
trapped in a car
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00:19:12,673 --> 00:19:14,762
while a dog is barking
outside, right?
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00:19:14,849 --> 00:19:16,024
[growling]
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00:19:16,111 --> 00:19:18,983
[screaming]
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00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:22,161
In the novel, Stephen King is
a master of characterization.
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So you're in the car.
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You have no choice but to care.
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00:19:25,468 --> 00:19:29,037
The film, you don't have that
interiority, but what you do
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00:19:29,124 --> 00:19:30,604
have is some
really, really great
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performances,
including a child actor
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I used to watch on soap operas.
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[mumbling]
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00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,439
Oh, there's no monsters.
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I knew that kid from one
of my favorite soap operas.
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00:19:41,876 --> 00:19:45,053
So I knew he was a great
actor, but not that great.
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00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:47,229
So he really is
kind of the heart
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00:19:47,316 --> 00:19:50,406
and soul of this horrible
situation that is so mundane.
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00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:52,800
[crying]
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00:19:52,887 --> 00:19:55,063
[bangs]
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00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:57,413
The car won't start.
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00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,372
We've all been in
that situation,
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00:19:59,459 --> 00:20:00,982
but we haven't
been in a situation
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where there's a rabid,
really monstrous
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00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:08,337
dog trying to get inside
and trying to savage you.
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00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:10,078
[screaming]
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00:20:10,078 --> 00:20:13,037
[growling]
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00:20:15,779 --> 00:20:18,956
That ending in the novel
spoiler, if you haven't read it,
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00:20:18,956 --> 00:20:20,088
the little boy dies.
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00:20:20,175 --> 00:20:22,351
He's the cost of
the mother's secrets
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00:20:22,438 --> 00:20:24,571
and the mother's
mistakes in some ways.
430
00:20:24,658 --> 00:20:28,749
And I wondered, are they going
to do that in the movie version?
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00:20:28,836 --> 00:20:33,057
Could we sit through a two-hour
movie where the little boy dies?
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00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:34,320
Well, absolutely not.
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00:20:34,407 --> 00:20:37,236
[crying]
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00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:39,716
Baby.
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00:20:39,803 --> 00:20:41,675
So I'm not surprised they
changed that ending one bit.
436
00:20:41,762 --> 00:20:45,069
[glass shattering]
437
00:20:49,552 --> 00:20:50,597
I hate to be that guy.
438
00:20:50,597 --> 00:20:51,859
There is this-- I
do have this one
439
00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:55,819
tiny pet peeve about
the fact that, you know,
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00:20:55,906 --> 00:20:57,081
people say that dog was scary.
441
00:20:57,168 --> 00:20:58,561
It's just like Cujo.
442
00:20:58,648 --> 00:21:01,129
And the film is called Cujo,
and everyone in the film
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calls the dog Cujo.
444
00:21:02,478 --> 00:21:04,872
[growling]
445
00:21:09,572 --> 00:21:13,228
In the book, it's made
clear that the dog's name
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is actually pronounced
Cujo, that it's
447
00:21:16,797 --> 00:21:18,886
a Spanish pronunciation.
448
00:21:18,973 --> 00:21:20,627
But I guess it's too
late to fix that one.
449
00:21:20,627 --> 00:21:21,454
[growling]
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00:21:21,541 --> 00:21:22,977
[gunshots]
451
00:21:22,977 --> 00:21:25,109
It's the tiniest
little thing, but even
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00:21:25,196 --> 00:21:26,589
my dad calls the dog Cujo.
453
00:21:26,676 --> 00:21:28,678
[ominous music]
454
00:21:28,765 --> 00:21:29,766
Cujo.
455
00:21:33,248 --> 00:21:36,599
Christine was one of
the first ones I read.
456
00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:40,516
And I remember it as a ghost
story, as a possession story.
457
00:21:40,603 --> 00:21:43,606
That's an aspect that Carpenter
completely dropped in the movie.
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He kind of changed the nature
of the menace, and it works.
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00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,789
And it works partly
because he builds Christine
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00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:54,791
like she is a proper character.
461
00:21:54,878 --> 00:21:56,924
The very fact that I would
say she instead of it
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00:21:57,011 --> 00:22:00,623
instinctively makes you
see that this is a person.
463
00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:03,104
And he films her like a person.
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00:22:03,191 --> 00:22:05,411
[screaming]
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It's a John Carpenter
film, and it looks it.
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00:22:12,983 --> 00:22:16,857
It is the most beautifully
shot atmospheric
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00:22:16,857 --> 00:22:18,206
of the Stephen King films.
- Come on.
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Get it, man.
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00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:25,387
Christine follows
this nerdy student
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at this school, this
social outcast who doesn't
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00:22:27,911 --> 00:22:29,086
have a lot going for him.
472
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Stop the car.
Stop the car.
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00:22:30,392 --> 00:22:31,088
Stop the car.
Go back.
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Go back.
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00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:33,961
One day he's driving
with his friend,
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00:22:33,961 --> 00:22:39,967
and out of the corner of his
eye spots this rusty junker
477
00:22:40,054 --> 00:22:42,535
out in the middle of the yard.
478
00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:44,101
It's the only thing
he's ever wanted,
479
00:22:44,188 --> 00:22:45,842
and he's not going to
be talked out of it.
480
00:22:45,929 --> 00:22:47,844
So he throws the
money down immediately
481
00:22:47,931 --> 00:22:49,716
to purchase this vehicle.
482
00:22:49,803 --> 00:22:51,152
And that becomes his life.
483
00:22:51,239 --> 00:22:54,155
That becomes his passion.
484
00:22:54,155 --> 00:22:56,984
He restores this car to how
we saw it come off the line
485
00:22:57,071 --> 00:22:57,811
at the beginning of the film.
486
00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,121
Everyone starts kind
of looking at him
487
00:23:04,208 --> 00:23:05,688
and getting jealous of the car.
488
00:23:05,775 --> 00:23:08,648
The girl he's with starts
getting jealous of the car.
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00:23:08,735 --> 00:23:13,217
[ROBERT & JOHNNY, "WE BELONG
TOGETHER"] You're mine
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00:23:13,304 --> 00:23:21,051
And we belong together
491
00:23:21,138 --> 00:23:25,491
Yes we belong together
492
00:23:25,578 --> 00:23:29,016
These bullies
that he had who had
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00:23:29,103 --> 00:23:31,801
threatened his life before
in this violent way try
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00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:32,846
to take the car out.
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00:23:32,933 --> 00:23:35,718
[bangs]
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00:23:38,678 --> 00:23:39,940
It's a love story.
497
00:23:40,027 --> 00:23:41,942
It's a love story between
a boy and his car.
498
00:23:42,029 --> 00:23:46,033
And it's a love story that has
weird moments of, you know,
499
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,730
that moment where he
says, OK, show me.
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00:23:47,817 --> 00:23:49,558
And the car rebuilds itself.
501
00:23:49,558 --> 00:23:51,255
And he's just there watching.
502
00:23:51,342 --> 00:23:53,127
And even the lighting
and the way it's filmed,
503
00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:55,346
it all looks like
a girl stripping.
504
00:23:55,346 --> 00:23:58,001
It looks like something
that's supposed to be teasing
505
00:23:58,088 --> 00:24:00,003
and a little bit
sexual, which is
506
00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:04,007
such an interesting idea for
a piece of junk essentially.
507
00:24:04,094 --> 00:24:05,835
[upbeat music]
508
00:24:05,922 --> 00:24:09,360
[engine roaring]
509
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:13,147
We watch the car,
and these amazing shots
510
00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:16,890
get revenge against the
people that attacked it.
511
00:24:16,977 --> 00:24:19,762
[screaming]
512
00:24:19,849 --> 00:24:22,809
[clattering]
513
00:24:22,896 --> 00:24:28,945
There's this incredible scene
of the car after killing several
514
00:24:29,032 --> 00:24:30,904
of these bullies in
this gas station,
515
00:24:30,991 --> 00:24:32,819
making the entire thing explode.
516
00:24:32,906 --> 00:24:35,604
And this huge plume
of fire chases
517
00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:39,260
down the final leader
of these bullies
518
00:24:39,347 --> 00:24:41,610
completely just in a blaze.
519
00:24:41,697 --> 00:24:44,918
And it's just this incredible,
beautiful shot that
520
00:24:44,918 --> 00:24:46,659
looks like something
out of like,
521
00:24:46,746 --> 00:24:51,315
you know, any slasher film
of this terrifying monster
522
00:24:51,402 --> 00:24:55,015
coming after this potential
victim, but it's a car.
523
00:24:55,102 --> 00:24:55,885
Please.
524
00:24:55,972 --> 00:24:58,801
[engine roaring]
525
00:24:58,888 --> 00:25:01,238
[crashing]
526
00:25:01,238 --> 00:25:03,806
It's played so
straight that you
527
00:25:03,893 --> 00:25:08,985
kind of forget how outlandish
the subject matter is.
528
00:25:09,072 --> 00:25:12,772
John Carpenter really
puts us all into this.
529
00:25:12,859 --> 00:25:14,643
AXELLLE CAROLYN: I don't
think that Carpenter
530
00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:17,167
was very happy with it
at the end of the day.
531
00:25:17,254 --> 00:25:19,387
It's a little miracle
that something
532
00:25:19,474 --> 00:25:23,173
so elegant for
the subject matter
533
00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:25,741
would come out from
a filmmaker who
534
00:25:25,741 --> 00:25:28,875
didn't have full confidence in
what he was doing, I suppose.
535
00:25:28,962 --> 00:25:32,313
It's a real testimony to
his technical abilities
536
00:25:32,313 --> 00:25:35,882
and to his instinct
to find what's going
537
00:25:35,969 --> 00:25:36,926
to make it work on screen.
538
00:25:37,013 --> 00:25:39,668
[suspenseful music]
539
00:25:54,683 --> 00:25:56,990
I want you to feel
this on my nose.
540
00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:00,863
Why you look at?
541
00:26:08,828 --> 00:26:11,047
You're the one who looks like
he could use a vacation, Doc.
542
00:26:16,836 --> 00:26:18,577
Well, you were
having a bad dream.
543
00:26:18,664 --> 00:26:20,404
You must have been a
real wowser by the sound.
544
00:26:29,762 --> 00:26:32,939
I'm in the mood
for some music, '80s.
545
00:26:33,026 --> 00:26:33,896
I'll make that happen.
546
00:26:43,427 --> 00:26:44,951
You want me to
sign it for you?
547
00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:45,908
No.
548
00:26:45,995 --> 00:26:47,083
I didn't like the ending.
549
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,915
[rumbling]
550
00:26:58,529 --> 00:27:00,619
TOM HOLLAND: When Stephen
first appeared on the scene,
551
00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:02,055
horror was minuscule.
552
00:27:02,142 --> 00:27:05,580
[ominous music]
553
00:27:05,667 --> 00:27:09,149
Stephen single-handedly
popularized horror
554
00:27:09,236 --> 00:27:10,367
as America understands it.
555
00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:11,194
Bill.
556
00:27:11,281 --> 00:27:13,849
[ominous music]
557
00:27:13,936 --> 00:27:15,721
I will fear no evil.
558
00:27:15,721 --> 00:27:18,941
And he did it that way by
writing about people like you
559
00:27:19,028 --> 00:27:22,292
and me, middle-class people,
lower middle-class people,
560
00:27:22,379 --> 00:27:23,293
whatever, working people.
561
00:27:27,689 --> 00:27:30,779
And he made it real and made
you feel like, oh my gosh,
562
00:27:30,779 --> 00:27:34,391
this could be happening to me.
563
00:27:34,478 --> 00:27:36,263
The meiosis is
the Stephen King's
564
00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:38,352
name blots out everybody else.
565
00:27:38,439 --> 00:27:42,617
The pluses of it are that
there's some terrific material
566
00:27:42,704 --> 00:27:43,270
to choose from.
567
00:27:47,187 --> 00:27:49,189
I got offered Thinner.
568
00:27:49,276 --> 00:27:54,542
And Thinner is very
odd in the sense
569
00:27:54,629 --> 00:27:56,718
that I thought the
story was very--
570
00:27:56,805 --> 00:27:58,938
was terrific and very solid.
571
00:27:59,025 --> 00:28:02,942
But there was something that
was also humorous about it.
572
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:05,335
Usually when you're
in a Stephen King story,
573
00:28:05,422 --> 00:28:07,860
you like your protagonist, like
you're following them around.
574
00:28:07,947 --> 00:28:08,774
You feel for them.
575
00:28:08,861 --> 00:28:10,950
You want to side with them.
576
00:28:11,037 --> 00:28:13,343
They're-- they're somebody
that you feel connected with.
577
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:15,781
Thinner, not so much.
578
00:28:15,868 --> 00:28:18,566
Just doing my job.
579
00:28:18,653 --> 00:28:22,483
Robert John Burke is the
lead and is not playing
580
00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:25,747
it sympathetically at all.
581
00:28:25,834 --> 00:28:28,576
He starts out an
absolute shithead.
582
00:28:28,663 --> 00:28:33,581
He's getting a blowjob from his
wife and runs this woman over.
583
00:28:33,668 --> 00:28:35,931
[screaming]
584
00:28:36,018 --> 00:28:39,195
[crashes]
585
00:28:41,241 --> 00:28:43,373
And then they
tried to, you know,
586
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:46,725
kind of corrupt the court
system so that he gets off.
587
00:28:46,812 --> 00:28:49,597
And then that's what
enacts the Gypsy curse.
588
00:28:49,684 --> 00:28:50,859
Sir.
589
00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:52,948
In the film, of course,
they do that thing
590
00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:55,298
Thinner where he rubs his face.
591
00:28:55,385 --> 00:28:57,561
Thinner.
592
00:28:57,648 --> 00:28:59,476
I will quote that with
my friends all the time.
593
00:28:59,563 --> 00:29:01,740
Thinner.
594
00:29:01,827 --> 00:29:03,480
Why is he saying it?
Does he have to say it?
595
00:29:03,567 --> 00:29:04,699
And does he have
to rub his face?
596
00:29:04,699 --> 00:29:06,048
I don't know.
597
00:29:06,135 --> 00:29:10,096
He's been cursed to lose
weight until he dies.
598
00:29:10,183 --> 00:29:11,619
I've lost 100 pounds.
599
00:29:11,706 --> 00:29:13,099
Before you know it, you'll
be able to see your balls
600
00:29:13,099 --> 00:29:14,100
without using a mirror.
601
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:15,884
[laughter]
602
00:29:15,971 --> 00:29:17,973
You can eat as much as
he wants it doesn't matter,
603
00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:19,148
he's going to keep
losing weight.
604
00:29:19,235 --> 00:29:20,497
[laughs]
605
00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:22,935
That was one I saw
when I was very young,
606
00:29:23,022 --> 00:29:27,069
and it was so scary to me.
607
00:29:27,156 --> 00:29:32,074
Seeing his body actually
get thinner as a kid,
608
00:29:32,074 --> 00:29:32,814
I was like, how?
609
00:29:32,901 --> 00:29:33,902
How?
610
00:29:33,902 --> 00:29:35,425
Like, how are they doing this?
611
00:29:35,512 --> 00:29:37,645
I just didn't understand
special effects at that point.
612
00:29:37,732 --> 00:29:38,951
And I was like, I--
613
00:29:39,038 --> 00:29:39,908
this is so unsettling.
614
00:29:39,995 --> 00:29:42,258
[laughs] I'm not a fan.
615
00:29:42,345 --> 00:29:46,654
I'm being erased.
616
00:29:46,654 --> 00:29:48,787
Instead of
accepting this curse
617
00:29:48,874 --> 00:29:52,094
or going back and apologizing,
he takes violence.
618
00:29:52,181 --> 00:29:54,531
He chooses violence and he
goes, and he attacks them.
619
00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:58,927
I curse you and
everybody I see
620
00:29:59,014 --> 00:30:02,148
by the light of this fire,
the curse of the White man
621
00:30:02,148 --> 00:30:03,366
from town.
622
00:30:03,453 --> 00:30:05,586
And then ultimately
under duress, they
623
00:30:05,586 --> 00:30:06,935
tell him how to fix the curse.
624
00:30:06,935 --> 00:30:10,983
You got to give it to this pie.
625
00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:21,036
Then you give this pie with the
curse inside to somebody else.
626
00:30:22,516 --> 00:30:24,779
And what happens in
the book and I filmed it
627
00:30:24,779 --> 00:30:27,564
and I thought it was
great was that Billy
628
00:30:27,564 --> 00:30:29,740
realized his wife was
being unfaithful with him
629
00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:30,480
to the doctor.
630
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:39,272
And he's transferred the curse
from himself into the pie.
631
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:40,795
And he puts it
down in the kitchen
632
00:30:40,795 --> 00:30:42,449
knowing when she gets
up in the morning,
633
00:30:42,449 --> 00:30:43,972
she's going to have a piece.
634
00:30:44,059 --> 00:30:46,018
And then she'll have the curse.
635
00:30:46,105 --> 00:30:49,630
And so he'll have his vengeance
on her for cheating on him.
636
00:30:49,717 --> 00:30:51,545
And then he gets
up in the morning--
637
00:30:51,632 --> 00:30:53,677
I'm talking about the book
now, gets up in the morning
638
00:30:53,677 --> 00:30:55,897
and he goes downstairs.
639
00:30:55,984 --> 00:30:59,205
And my God, a piece
of the pie is gone.
640
00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:00,249
And he's thrilled.
641
00:31:00,336 --> 00:31:01,729
And he turns around.
642
00:31:01,816 --> 00:31:04,340
And there's the only person
he really loves in life,
643
00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:06,038
his 17-year-old daughter.
644
00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:11,086
And she's saying, oh, dad, the
strawberry pie was delicious.
645
00:31:11,173 --> 00:31:12,566
I love you.
646
00:31:12,653 --> 00:31:15,003
And he is destroyed.
647
00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:19,965
And now he has to do something
to save his daughter.
648
00:31:20,052 --> 00:31:23,794
And the only way he can do
anything is take the curse back.
649
00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:26,014
And so he eats the
strawberry pie.
650
00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:32,847
And the audience
absolutely hated it.
651
00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:35,371
They hated that ending.
652
00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:38,374
So I finagled it a little bit
to try to give them a little bit
653
00:31:38,461 --> 00:31:39,985
of audience satisfaction.
654
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:43,466
He invites the doctor in to have
a piece of pie in the morning
655
00:31:43,553 --> 00:31:45,207
when he shows up.
656
00:31:45,294 --> 00:31:46,426
As matter of fact, I was just
going to dig into a big slice
657
00:31:46,513 --> 00:31:47,688
of this breakfast pie.
658
00:31:47,775 --> 00:31:49,211
And I think maybe
that made the audience
659
00:31:49,298 --> 00:31:50,604
feel a little bit better.
660
00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:54,434
But I felt like I was a
whore to the audience.
661
00:31:54,521 --> 00:31:56,088
But I had spelling
entertainment,
662
00:31:56,175 --> 00:31:58,612
and I had Paramount
standing in my back saying,
663
00:31:58,612 --> 00:32:00,570
do something, do
something, do something.
664
00:32:00,657 --> 00:32:03,399
So that's what I did.
665
00:32:05,532 --> 00:32:08,709
Wow, those are your cats.
There's a lot of them.
666
00:32:08,796 --> 00:32:11,886
They're strays, but
we'll get rid of them.
667
00:32:11,973 --> 00:32:14,454
The first time I
worked with Stephen King
668
00:32:14,541 --> 00:32:16,935
was on Sleepwalkers.
669
00:32:17,022 --> 00:32:20,286
It was his first produced
original Screenplay.
670
00:32:20,373 --> 00:32:23,942
Sleepwalkers is one of the
wackier Stephen King plots.
671
00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:29,034
And it's one of my favorite
Stephen King adaptations.
672
00:32:29,121 --> 00:32:32,254
It takes place in a very,
very classic Stephen
673
00:32:32,341 --> 00:32:35,518
King town high Americana.
674
00:32:39,044 --> 00:32:42,656
It's an underrated classic
most known for a scene
675
00:32:42,743 --> 00:32:44,440
that comes early
on in the picture.
676
00:32:44,527 --> 00:32:47,269
You can't hear us.
677
00:32:47,356 --> 00:32:50,969
We have a young boy who
comes home and sees his mom.
678
00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:53,536
And the mom seems very
close and very touchy.
679
00:32:53,623 --> 00:32:54,755
And end up full-on kissing.
680
00:32:57,888 --> 00:33:00,935
And the reactions that it gets
every single time that you watch
681
00:33:01,022 --> 00:33:04,112
that with friends is priceless.
682
00:33:04,199 --> 00:33:08,769
Sleepwalkers are where
the vampire myth came from.
683
00:33:08,856 --> 00:33:11,163
They turn into cat people.
684
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:15,602
And they feed on the
essence of virgin females.
685
00:33:15,689 --> 00:33:18,213
[ominous music]
686
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,216
The way you feed that
essence, you suck it
687
00:33:21,303 --> 00:33:24,132
out of the female virgin human.
688
00:33:24,219 --> 00:33:30,399
And you feed it to the
female Sleepwalker sexually.
689
00:33:30,486 --> 00:33:36,101
So you emit that essence
into the Sleepwalker.
690
00:33:36,101 --> 00:33:38,277
Pull over, motherfucker.
691
00:33:38,364 --> 00:33:40,670
Everything about this
movie is so bizarre.
692
00:33:40,757 --> 00:33:44,413
The makeup that very well known
scene where he's in the car
693
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,937
and he turns into, you see a
flash of what the cat looks
694
00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:48,461
like.
695
00:33:48,548 --> 00:33:50,593
And it's this demented
bizarre, grinning creature.
696
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,291
What the fuck?
697
00:33:52,378 --> 00:33:54,989
It almost makes me think of
House, the Japanese movie--
698
00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:56,686
[meows]
699
00:33:58,558 --> 00:34:01,169
and those kind of grinning
cat in Japanese lore.
700
00:34:01,256 --> 00:34:03,867
[meows]
701
00:34:08,872 --> 00:34:11,136
MICK GARRIS: They're
also deathly afraid
702
00:34:11,223 --> 00:34:13,355
of the fatal scratch of cats.
703
00:34:13,442 --> 00:34:15,836
Stop looking at
me, you fucking cat.
704
00:34:15,923 --> 00:34:20,188
And cats can sense
them and seek them out.
705
00:34:20,275 --> 00:34:22,669
This is both a
horror movie for cats
706
00:34:22,756 --> 00:34:25,628
and a cathartic
revenge film for them.
707
00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:26,760
Get that motherfucker.
708
00:34:26,847 --> 00:34:29,197
[laughs] All right.
709
00:34:29,284 --> 00:34:30,590
Good boy, Clovis.
710
00:34:30,677 --> 00:34:34,507
The town Sheriff had a
beloved pet cat Clovis.
711
00:34:34,507 --> 00:34:36,117
Everything's going
to be all right.
712
00:34:36,204 --> 00:34:39,120
[screaming]
713
00:34:39,207 --> 00:34:42,297
The demon teenager
killed the town Sheriff.
714
00:34:42,384 --> 00:34:43,994
[meows]
715
00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:47,433
So Clovis has had it with these
people who came into the town,
716
00:34:47,433 --> 00:34:49,783
colonized the town,
killed his parent,
717
00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:53,221
and now they're going after
Madchen Amick who he also likes.
718
00:34:53,308 --> 00:34:54,353
[screaming]
719
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,355
[meows]
720
00:34:56,355 --> 00:34:58,531
So he knows that they
must be destroyed,
721
00:34:58,618 --> 00:34:59,923
but he can't do it on his own.
722
00:34:59,923 --> 00:35:03,275
[meows]
723
00:35:03,362 --> 00:35:06,669
Luckily, all the cats in
the town are sick of this.
724
00:35:06,756 --> 00:35:10,282
So like, a good union organizer,
he gets them all together.
725
00:35:10,369 --> 00:35:13,154
And he says, we have to
go get these demon fucks.
726
00:35:13,241 --> 00:35:15,330
And in the climax
of the film, they
727
00:35:15,417 --> 00:35:17,724
march up to the house
where the demons live,
728
00:35:17,724 --> 00:35:19,073
and they attack them.
729
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,336
[meows]
730
00:35:23,469 --> 00:35:25,732
There were 126 cats
in Sleepwalkers.
731
00:35:25,819 --> 00:35:27,951
[meows]
732
00:35:30,606 --> 00:35:35,133
You've heard the
term herding cats?
733
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:38,136
That's very much what wrangling
cats on the sleepwalkers set
734
00:35:38,223 --> 00:35:40,747
was like, although they
were very well trained.
735
00:35:40,834 --> 00:35:41,574
[meows]
736
00:35:41,661 --> 00:35:46,666
[gasps] Clovis.
737
00:35:46,666 --> 00:35:49,625
It's the kind of story I guess
you could only make if Stephen
738
00:35:49,712 --> 00:35:52,454
King's name was on it because it
gave people confidence that it
739
00:35:52,541 --> 00:35:53,455
would be something scary.
740
00:35:53,455 --> 00:35:54,804
And then it turned out to be--
741
00:35:54,891 --> 00:35:57,067
I would never say that
Sleepwalkers is scary,
742
00:35:57,155 --> 00:36:00,419
but it's very strange and
unique and interesting.
743
00:36:00,506 --> 00:36:02,769
And dealing with
bizarre themes and kind
744
00:36:02,856 --> 00:36:04,597
of beautiful at the same time.
745
00:36:04,684 --> 00:36:07,077
It's just you and me, Clovis.
746
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:08,253
Just you and me.
747
00:36:12,692 --> 00:36:16,086
Silver Bullet is such a
highly entertaining watch.
748
00:36:16,174 --> 00:36:18,741
[ominous music]
749
00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:21,918
I recognize that
there's flaws to it,
750
00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:24,182
but I'm really sensitive
to that because I really
751
00:36:24,269 --> 00:36:25,270
do love the movie so much.
752
00:36:28,621 --> 00:36:31,493
Silver Bullet's made from
Cycle of the Werewolf, which
753
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:33,756
was actually an illustrated
book that Stephen
754
00:36:33,843 --> 00:36:35,410
King did with Bernie Wrightson.
755
00:36:35,497 --> 00:36:38,674
Bernie wrightson is
the greatest horror
756
00:36:38,761 --> 00:36:42,939
illustrator that's ever existed,
as far as I'm concerned.
757
00:36:43,026 --> 00:36:44,158
I love werewolves.
758
00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:46,334
And something I love
about werewolves
759
00:36:46,421 --> 00:36:48,031
is that oftentimes,
it's a mystery.
760
00:36:48,118 --> 00:36:50,773
[growling]
761
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:54,560
And Silver Bullet's very
much a horror mystery.
762
00:36:54,647 --> 00:36:57,432
It takes that idea of every
time there's a full moon,
763
00:36:57,519 --> 00:36:59,434
the wolf man is
going to show up.
764
00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:02,307
[screaming]
765
00:37:04,483 --> 00:37:06,093
And then little by little, we're
going to have clues as to who
766
00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:07,137
it could be in the village.
767
00:37:09,488 --> 00:37:10,793
Hey.
768
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,056
It's mad man Marty
in the Silver Bullet.
769
00:37:13,143 --> 00:37:16,408
I loved Silver Bullet when
I was a kid because it's
770
00:37:16,495 --> 00:37:18,366
ultimately a kid's tale.
771
00:37:18,453 --> 00:37:22,152
It's Stephen King's kind of
classic kids on bikes battling
772
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,067
the evil in their
small town, except it's
773
00:37:24,154 --> 00:37:25,417
a kid in a wheelchair.
774
00:37:25,504 --> 00:37:27,375
You always take his side
because he's crippled.
775
00:37:27,462 --> 00:37:29,290
Well, it's not my
fault he's crippled.
776
00:37:29,377 --> 00:37:31,553
You just want to be quiet
or I'm going to smack you now.
777
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,294
I mean it.
778
00:37:33,294 --> 00:37:35,035
TRACEY SALISBURY: It's about
that brother-sister relationship
779
00:37:35,122 --> 00:37:37,124
where you get on
each other's nerves
780
00:37:37,211 --> 00:37:39,300
and where adults
won't believe you,
781
00:37:39,387 --> 00:37:40,997
but kids believe each other.
782
00:37:40,997 --> 00:37:42,999
And that's what's always
important in horror films
783
00:37:43,086 --> 00:37:44,697
that kids believe each other.
784
00:37:44,784 --> 00:37:46,960
And there's nothing scary in
horror films that bump off kids.
785
00:37:47,047 --> 00:37:49,832
Has anybody in
here seen my son?
786
00:37:49,919 --> 00:37:51,573
Brady.
787
00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:55,969
[classical music]
788
00:37:56,056 --> 00:37:58,014
Hail Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with Thee.
789
00:37:58,014 --> 00:37:59,668
You know, because
when you bump
790
00:37:59,755 --> 00:38:01,888
there's no rules because, you
know, everybody could get it.
791
00:38:01,975 --> 00:38:04,760
[ominous music]
792
00:38:07,154 --> 00:38:08,503
TIM KASHER: So you
have a werewolf
793
00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:10,810
literally attacking
a handicapped child,
794
00:38:10,897 --> 00:38:13,987
like young teenager.
795
00:38:14,074 --> 00:38:16,337
I mean that's horrific
in and of itself.
796
00:38:16,424 --> 00:38:18,687
That's just my little brother
gets me so mad sometimes.
797
00:38:18,774 --> 00:38:20,385
AXELLLE CAROLYN: I
love the villain, too.
798
00:38:20,472 --> 00:38:24,954
Well, Jane, brothers
sometimes do that.
799
00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:27,305
It's perhaps the person
you expect nowadays,
800
00:38:27,392 --> 00:38:29,437
but at the time, I felt
like it was a surprise.
801
00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:31,309
[screaming]
802
00:38:31,396 --> 00:38:33,615
[growling]
803
00:38:36,226 --> 00:38:38,011
The movie gets schlocky,
and I recognize that.
804
00:38:38,098 --> 00:38:39,708
But don't we love that, too?
805
00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:43,756
Don't we just love it when
things get schlocky sometimes?
806
00:38:43,843 --> 00:38:46,106
It's one of the best
Stephen King adaptations to me
807
00:38:46,193 --> 00:38:48,108
because it captures
the essentials
808
00:38:48,195 --> 00:38:49,588
of what he likes to do.
809
00:38:49,675 --> 00:38:52,330
He loves kids living their life.
810
00:38:52,417 --> 00:38:54,680
He loves these small
communities that
811
00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:58,292
are living kind of peacefully
and have this entity come in.
812
00:38:58,379 --> 00:38:59,641
And then how do they react?
813
00:38:59,641 --> 00:39:01,382
How do they lose their humanity?
814
00:39:01,469 --> 00:39:03,341
Or how do they retain
being a community?
815
00:39:03,428 --> 00:39:06,213
[growling]
816
00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:07,649
[gunshots]
817
00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:14,395
Holy jumped-up Jesus palomino!
818
00:39:14,482 --> 00:39:18,747
You know, in the end, he's
always on the side of the kids.
819
00:39:18,834 --> 00:39:21,663
And then the monsters can
sometimes be sympathetic.
820
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:23,143
[growling]
821
00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:25,101
[screaming]
822
00:39:25,188 --> 00:39:27,495
[ominous music]
823
00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:40,465
MIKE [VOICEOVER]: Do you know
why I can stay in your spooky
824
00:39:40,465 --> 00:39:41,683
old room, Mr. Olin?
825
00:39:41,770 --> 00:39:44,251
Because I know the
ghoulies and ghosties
826
00:39:44,251 --> 00:39:47,254
and long-legged
beasties don't exist.
827
00:39:47,341 --> 00:39:48,255
Hey!
828
00:39:48,342 --> 00:39:53,695
[yells]
829
00:39:53,782 --> 00:39:56,045
[screaming]
830
00:40:01,007 --> 00:40:03,313
Will you help me, Delores?
831
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:12,061
[screaming]
832
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,999
Bring him the blood
of the Outlander.
833
00:40:37,086 --> 00:40:38,174
All: Praise God.
834
00:40:38,261 --> 00:40:39,437
Praise the Lord.
835
00:40:39,524 --> 00:40:40,960
Praise God.
836
00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:43,397
Many people have tried to
adapt Stephen King novels.
837
00:40:47,009 --> 00:40:49,577
And people always ask
like, what is the reason
838
00:40:49,664 --> 00:40:51,187
some work and some don't?
839
00:40:51,274 --> 00:40:54,974
And I don't really have a
good answer because you think,
840
00:40:55,061 --> 00:40:57,672
oh, let's just hew very
closely to the novel.
841
00:40:57,672 --> 00:40:58,543
[screaming]
842
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:59,457
Check!
843
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,811
But then you think
about the changes that
844
00:41:05,898 --> 00:41:09,379
are made to these
books when they
845
00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:15,429
make it to the silver
screen, they are successful.
846
00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:18,911
The Dead Zone is an
example of an adaptation
847
00:41:18,998 --> 00:41:23,350
of a Stephen King novel where
so much is stripped out.
848
00:41:23,437 --> 00:41:26,614
And it's leaner, it's
clearer, and it's
849
00:41:26,701 --> 00:41:30,270
more compelling because
you're not changing
850
00:41:30,357 --> 00:41:31,924
perspectives all the time.
851
00:41:32,011 --> 00:41:34,448
There's less digression.
852
00:41:34,535 --> 00:41:38,017
That's just the nature of
filmmaking versus literature.
853
00:41:38,017 --> 00:41:40,062
Literature is all
about the digression.
854
00:41:40,149 --> 00:41:42,456
And filmmaking is
all about getting
855
00:41:42,543 --> 00:41:45,677
to the next exciting moment.
856
00:41:45,764 --> 00:41:47,330
So when you have
a great filmmaker,
857
00:41:47,330 --> 00:41:48,941
like a David
Cronenberg, they know
858
00:41:48,941 --> 00:41:50,159
how to make a movie out of it.
859
00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:51,944
And the vision there
was something missing.
860
00:41:52,031 --> 00:41:54,424
It was something I couldn't see.
861
00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:55,251
How do you mean?
862
00:41:55,338 --> 00:41:56,514
I don't know.
863
00:41:56,601 --> 00:42:01,301
It was like, a blank
spot, a dead zone.
864
00:42:01,388 --> 00:42:04,957
The Dead Zone doesn't have
the signature body horror
865
00:42:05,044 --> 00:42:09,265
of a Cronenberg, but it
does feature a lot of very
866
00:42:09,352 --> 00:42:12,442
cozy-looking sweaters being
worn by Christopher Walken,
867
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,053
which is kind of why I like it.
868
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:18,057
There's something very wintry
and nice about this movie,
869
00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:21,713
even though it does deal
with a possible inevitable
870
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,670
nuclear holocaust.
871
00:42:22,757 --> 00:42:25,412
[ominous music]
872
00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,719
The Dead Zone
is a Stephen King
873
00:42:27,806 --> 00:42:31,418
adaptation about Johnny Smith
played by Christopher Walken.
874
00:42:31,505 --> 00:42:33,463
He's just a regular guy.
875
00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:37,380
He's happily in a relationship,
gets into a car accident,
876
00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:41,254
goes into a coma, wakes up, and
now he has psychic abilities.
877
00:42:41,341 --> 00:42:42,211
[screaming]
878
00:42:42,298 --> 00:42:45,301
[rumbling]
879
00:42:45,388 --> 00:42:46,825
Baby.
880
00:42:46,912 --> 00:42:49,305
Because that's what happens
when you go into a coma
881
00:42:49,392 --> 00:42:50,655
is you get super powers.
882
00:42:50,742 --> 00:42:53,092
And he can see things
before they happen.
883
00:42:53,179 --> 00:42:57,444
He has a premonition about
bad things happening.
884
00:42:57,531 --> 00:42:59,707
[clattering]
885
00:42:59,794 --> 00:43:02,884
The ice is going to break.
886
00:43:02,971 --> 00:43:06,235
So it's that cost
of having second sight
887
00:43:06,322 --> 00:43:08,498
of having lost everything.
888
00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:11,284
He loses the love of his life.
889
00:43:11,371 --> 00:43:14,722
He's debilitated
by this accident.
890
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:18,770
And he's saddled with knowing
things he shouldn't know.
891
00:43:18,857 --> 00:43:20,859
Johnny is brought
in by the police
892
00:43:20,859 --> 00:43:23,122
to find this serial killer.
893
00:43:23,209 --> 00:43:26,255
[suspenseful music]
894
00:43:29,128 --> 00:43:32,827
And then the third part of the
movie, the end of the movie,
895
00:43:32,827 --> 00:43:35,090
he has a premonition of
the end of the world.
896
00:43:35,177 --> 00:43:35,961
GREG: Hey.
897
00:43:36,048 --> 00:43:37,005
How are you?
898
00:43:37,005 --> 00:43:37,658
Good to see you.
899
00:43:37,745 --> 00:43:38,659
Hey.
900
00:43:38,746 --> 00:43:40,313
Thanks very much for coming.
901
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,752
He sees Martin Sheen's
future where he is this cartoon
902
00:43:44,839 --> 00:43:47,407
villain president
who has the suitcase
903
00:43:47,407 --> 00:43:49,452
with the nuclear button in it.
904
00:43:49,539 --> 00:43:50,715
Do it, Joe.
905
00:43:50,802 --> 00:43:55,284
And it's just so
maniacal and over the top.
906
00:43:55,371 --> 00:43:57,025
I think that's something
I like about it
907
00:43:57,025 --> 00:44:00,246
is it almost feels like a
weird satire of politics
908
00:44:00,246 --> 00:44:01,856
and political imagery.
909
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,774
He has a choice to make.
910
00:44:06,861 --> 00:44:09,081
Is he going to allow
this to happen?
911
00:44:09,168 --> 00:44:13,520
Or is he going to assassinate
a candidate for the Senate?
912
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,696
[cheering]
913
00:44:15,783 --> 00:44:18,133
It's a movie about
duty in a way.
914
00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:21,093
What do you do when
you have power?
915
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:23,182
There's a lot of
that in King's work.
916
00:44:23,269 --> 00:44:25,750
It's what do you do with
power, and how do you wield it?
917
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:28,143
How do you choose not
to or choose to use it?
918
00:44:31,277 --> 00:44:34,976
He chooses to sacrifice
himself for the greater good--
919
00:44:35,063 --> 00:44:37,675
[gunshots]
920
00:44:39,851 --> 00:44:42,027
which is the most
heroic thing you can do.
921
00:44:42,114 --> 00:44:44,420
[bangs]
922
00:44:44,507 --> 00:44:48,381
But this is not really a movie
about heroism necessarily.
923
00:44:48,468 --> 00:44:50,992
It's a movie about a curse.
924
00:44:50,992 --> 00:44:52,254
Who are you, you
son of a bitch?
925
00:44:52,341 --> 00:44:53,603
Who sent you?
926
00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:56,955
This poor man is cursed
with this knowledge,
927
00:44:57,042 --> 00:45:00,175
with this understanding.
928
00:45:00,262 --> 00:45:02,351
[gunshots]
929
00:45:02,438 --> 00:45:07,487
Telekinesis thought
to be the ability
930
00:45:07,487 --> 00:45:15,060
to move or to cause changes in
objects by force of the mind.
931
00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:17,323
[glass shattering]
932
00:45:18,977 --> 00:45:22,067
I think Carrie is
the most authentic
933
00:45:22,154 --> 00:45:25,679
to King in terms of the
transposition of the book
934
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:26,593
to the film.
935
00:45:26,593 --> 00:45:29,074
[classical music]
936
00:45:29,161 --> 00:45:31,772
De Palma's
Adaptation of Carrie
937
00:45:31,859 --> 00:45:34,819
shows someone that has a
true respect for the genre
938
00:45:34,906 --> 00:45:37,038
and the source material.
939
00:45:37,038 --> 00:45:40,476
Oftentimes, filmmakers will
approach something like horror
940
00:45:40,563 --> 00:45:45,438
as campy or soapy or something
to kind of push limits with.
941
00:45:45,438 --> 00:45:46,134
Creepy Carrie.
942
00:45:46,221 --> 00:45:47,092
Creepy Carrie.
943
00:45:47,179 --> 00:45:49,572
Ha, ha, ha.
944
00:45:49,572 --> 00:45:52,053
But De Palma
clearly respected
945
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:53,446
the character and the story.
946
00:45:53,533 --> 00:45:54,969
And you see that
in the filmmaking.
947
00:45:59,017 --> 00:46:00,279
Hi, Carrie.
948
00:46:00,366 --> 00:46:03,935
I love that lush opening
theme where the camera's
949
00:46:04,022 --> 00:46:05,284
going through the showers.
950
00:46:05,371 --> 00:46:07,982
And, you know, Carrie's
having a moment of just
951
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:09,897
relaxing in the hot shower.
952
00:46:09,984 --> 00:46:13,379
And it's just kind of this
beautiful dream-like music.
953
00:46:13,466 --> 00:46:16,338
[classical music]
954
00:46:19,515 --> 00:46:21,953
Then she has her period, and she
doesn't know what's happening.
955
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,911
And she becomes terrified.
956
00:46:23,998 --> 00:46:24,738
It's so brutal.
957
00:46:24,825 --> 00:46:30,135
[murmurs]
958
00:46:30,222 --> 00:46:33,225
It's the understanding that
a woman can bleed for five days
959
00:46:33,312 --> 00:46:35,227
every month and not die.
960
00:46:35,314 --> 00:46:36,881
We all accept that as reality.
961
00:46:36,968 --> 00:46:40,841
But when you consider
it, that's magical.
962
00:46:40,841 --> 00:46:41,711
That's horrific.
963
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,017
Help me!
964
00:46:43,104 --> 00:46:44,279
Help me!
965
00:46:44,366 --> 00:46:47,195
That was a very
interesting point of view
966
00:46:47,282 --> 00:46:49,937
through de Palma's lens about
how terrifying female sexuality
967
00:46:50,024 --> 00:46:50,982
can be.
968
00:46:51,069 --> 00:46:52,984
Can I talk to you?
969
00:46:53,071 --> 00:46:54,028
Right now?
970
00:46:54,115 --> 00:46:54,899
It's real important.
971
00:46:54,986 --> 00:46:58,163
[wheezing] All right.
972
00:46:58,250 --> 00:47:01,166
The women in Carrie,
the young women,
973
00:47:01,253 --> 00:47:03,951
not only come into this place
of power with their sexuality,
974
00:47:04,038 --> 00:47:06,954
but their brains come
online with manipulation
975
00:47:07,041 --> 00:47:13,831
and using men as tools for
the cruelty and the power.
976
00:47:13,918 --> 00:47:17,747
It's kind of a flip of what you
encounter a lot in the world.
977
00:47:17,835 --> 00:47:19,445
And when you become
an adult, you're
978
00:47:19,532 --> 00:47:22,535
very familiar with the trope of
men manipulating young women.
979
00:47:22,535 --> 00:47:25,755
But this kind of
off-putting manipulation
980
00:47:25,755 --> 00:47:30,891
of young men by women is
disturbing in a unique way.
981
00:47:30,978 --> 00:47:34,852
Billy, I hate Carrie White.
982
00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:35,591
Who?
983
00:47:35,678 --> 00:47:37,637
Carrie is a nasty story.
984
00:47:37,724 --> 00:47:39,900
It's a heartbreaking story.
985
00:47:39,987 --> 00:47:44,209
It's so unfair, but that's what
makes it such a lasting horror
986
00:47:44,296 --> 00:47:46,820
movie and why there have been
so many remakes because you want
987
00:47:46,907 --> 00:47:49,649
to just put that
lightning in a bottle
988
00:47:49,736 --> 00:47:55,002
that unfairness of life when
you haven't had a shot and you
989
00:47:55,089 --> 00:47:57,396
haven't been popular and
people have misunderstood you
990
00:47:57,396 --> 00:47:58,832
and you finally have
a chance to shine.
991
00:47:58,919 --> 00:48:01,008
[ominous music]
992
00:48:03,271 --> 00:48:05,317
And you end up with a bunch
of pig blood on your head.
993
00:48:05,404 --> 00:48:07,319
[ominous music]
994
00:48:11,714 --> 00:48:16,154
It's satisfying on one level
to see her light up that place.
995
00:48:16,241 --> 00:48:18,286
I never get tired of that scene.
996
00:48:18,373 --> 00:48:19,505
But it's such cost.
997
00:48:19,592 --> 00:48:22,377
[ominous music]
998
00:48:29,428 --> 00:48:32,997
I saw the movie, and
then I read the book.
999
00:48:33,084 --> 00:48:34,389
And the book is so good.
1000
00:48:34,389 --> 00:48:39,090
I just didn't realize
like how, like bad ass
1001
00:48:39,177 --> 00:48:42,397
Carrie was because
in the movie, she
1002
00:48:42,397 --> 00:48:44,573
like does the whole gym thing.
1003
00:48:44,573 --> 00:48:47,533
But in the book,
she's like messed
1004
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:50,101
up the whole town, like she
just-- she leaves the gym.
1005
00:48:50,188 --> 00:48:52,233
And she's like going
just walking home,
1006
00:48:52,233 --> 00:48:53,582
just being like
blowing everything
1007
00:48:53,669 --> 00:48:55,019
up, burning everything down.
1008
00:48:55,106 --> 00:48:57,195
And there's just so much
more details in the book.
1009
00:48:59,545 --> 00:49:01,329
DAVID DASTMALCHIAN: He's
such a personal writer.
1010
00:49:01,416 --> 00:49:03,070
There's so much of
him in his work.
1011
00:49:03,157 --> 00:49:07,945
It's very hard to transpose
that to the screen well.
1012
00:49:08,032 --> 00:49:09,859
So you live in a
Stephen King book
1013
00:49:09,947 --> 00:49:12,471
in a way you'll never live
in a Stephen King movie,
1014
00:49:12,471 --> 00:49:13,733
in my opinion.
1015
00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:15,909
I just have not had
that experience yet.
1016
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:20,783
[ominous music]
1017
00:49:22,089 --> 00:49:26,050
The Shining is
probably the most revered
1018
00:49:26,050 --> 00:49:29,227
King adaptation while
also being the adaptation
1019
00:49:29,227 --> 00:49:30,010
he likes the least.
1020
00:49:33,535 --> 00:49:35,407
The Shining is a complete
reboot of the book.
1021
00:49:35,494 --> 00:49:37,409
I mean, it's a
complete departure.
1022
00:49:37,409 --> 00:49:38,714
It just works.
1023
00:49:38,845 --> 00:49:40,238
And it's great, but it's
not the book at all.
1024
00:49:40,325 --> 00:49:43,284
[ominous music]
1025
00:49:45,069 --> 00:49:46,984
I almost don't think of it
as a Stephen King movie.
1026
00:49:46,984 --> 00:49:49,377
It's just it's so
Stanley Kubrick and Jack
1027
00:49:49,464 --> 00:49:52,467
Nicholson's movie in that way.
1028
00:49:52,467 --> 00:49:56,689
It changed a lot
of King's intentions.
1029
00:49:56,689 --> 00:50:00,432
Jack is going to take care of
the overlook for us this winter.
1030
00:50:00,432 --> 00:50:02,564
Jack Torrance is kind of him.
1031
00:50:02,695 --> 00:50:04,349
And he related to Jack.
1032
00:50:04,349 --> 00:50:08,048
And Jack was an
avatar for his fear
1033
00:50:08,048 --> 00:50:12,574
of being a bad parent, of being
an alcoholic, being violent
1034
00:50:12,574 --> 00:50:14,620
or, you know, unhinged--
1035
00:50:14,707 --> 00:50:16,839
[screaming]
1036
00:50:19,059 --> 00:50:21,105
and the solitary
nature of being a writer.
1037
00:50:24,325 --> 00:50:28,286
But the movie turns
Jack into a slasher
1038
00:50:28,416 --> 00:50:29,939
villain in a lot of ways.
1039
00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:32,333
He's not sympathetic
even at the beginning.
1040
00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:34,248
ALEJANDRO BRUGUES: I'm
not one of those directors
1041
00:50:34,335 --> 00:50:37,860
that dies over Stanley Kubrick.
1042
00:50:37,947 --> 00:50:41,299
I see The Shining, and
I see all the bad things
1043
00:50:41,386 --> 00:50:42,735
Stephen King says.
1044
00:50:42,865 --> 00:50:45,085
There's no transition
in that character.
1045
00:50:45,172 --> 00:50:47,435
It's only Jack Torrance, Jack
Nicholson with his psycho
1046
00:50:47,435 --> 00:50:48,436
face there.
1047
00:50:48,523 --> 00:50:49,655
Here's Johnny.
1048
00:50:49,742 --> 00:50:51,178
[screams]
1049
00:50:51,178 --> 00:50:52,962
And you're like, well,
who thought about putting
1050
00:50:53,093 --> 00:50:54,268
this guy in this place?
1051
00:50:54,355 --> 00:50:56,923
But it just-- it's just great.
1052
00:50:56,923 --> 00:50:57,967
It's great filmmaking.
1053
00:50:58,098 --> 00:51:00,840
[ominous music]
1054
00:51:03,364 --> 00:51:05,932
Jack gets this power.
1055
00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:08,500
He starts to feel powerful
through the course of the film.
1056
00:51:08,587 --> 00:51:11,459
And that leads him
to become a killer
1057
00:51:11,546 --> 00:51:13,548
trying to kill his own family.
1058
00:51:13,635 --> 00:51:15,855
Have you ever thought for
a single solitary moment
1059
00:51:15,942 --> 00:51:17,944
about my responsibilities
to my employers?
1060
00:51:17,944 --> 00:51:20,642
This corrosive
self-hatred, I think,
1061
00:51:20,729 --> 00:51:22,775
is at the core of the film.
1062
00:51:22,862 --> 00:51:25,082
I think it's probably also in
the book a little bit, too.
1063
00:51:25,169 --> 00:51:26,692
It's why do we lash out?
1064
00:51:26,822 --> 00:51:28,172
Why do we become violent?
1065
00:51:28,259 --> 00:51:30,435
Why is Jack violent
towards his son?
1066
00:51:30,565 --> 00:51:32,698
Why is he violent
towards his wife?
1067
00:51:32,828 --> 00:51:34,482
Why is he not successful?
1068
00:51:34,482 --> 00:51:35,570
Why is he miserable?
1069
00:51:35,657 --> 00:51:37,224
Why are all of these things?
1070
00:51:37,355 --> 00:51:42,534
And it comes back to not having
any faith or belief in yourself.
1071
00:51:42,534 --> 00:51:45,319
[suspenseful music]
1072
00:51:45,450 --> 00:51:49,715
The Shining has really
transcended from just being
1073
00:51:49,715 --> 00:51:54,720
a Stephen King adaptation and
become more of like a canon
1074
00:51:54,807 --> 00:51:56,983
of classic film cinema.
1075
00:51:56,983 --> 00:51:59,377
It is considered to
be art in itself.
1076
00:51:59,464 --> 00:52:01,074
It is something that
is revered, that
1077
00:52:01,074 --> 00:52:05,122
is taught now in film classes.
1078
00:52:05,209 --> 00:52:08,037
TANANARIVE DUE: There's so much
iconic imagery-- the elevator
1079
00:52:08,037 --> 00:52:09,822
doors with the
blood pouring out,
1080
00:52:09,822 --> 00:52:14,305
the twin girls standing
in the hallway, the bar.
1081
00:52:14,435 --> 00:52:16,133
Everything looked
exactly the way
1082
00:52:16,263 --> 00:52:18,831
I pictured it, except
there was this one
1083
00:52:18,918 --> 00:52:21,660
major change from the novel.
1084
00:52:21,747 --> 00:52:27,535
And that is Dick Hallorann who
was the Black character who
1085
00:52:27,535 --> 00:52:32,018
survived the novel and literally
ends up with an axe in his chest
1086
00:52:32,018 --> 00:52:33,585
as soon as he walks
through the door.
1087
00:52:33,672 --> 00:52:36,892
Now from a story
standpoint, I get it.
1088
00:52:36,892 --> 00:52:39,895
It's like you want to show
this is a dangerous situation.
1089
00:52:39,982 --> 00:52:41,593
You want to surprise the viewer.
1090
00:52:41,593 --> 00:52:44,117
Especially if you read the book,
you weren't expecting that.
1091
00:52:44,204 --> 00:52:47,294
And it also raises the
stakes for Danny and his mom.
1092
00:52:47,381 --> 00:52:51,777
But it's such a tired trope
that sacrificial negro.
1093
00:52:51,907 --> 00:52:56,608
And to take Dick Hallorann
and Scatman Crothers who's
1094
00:52:56,695 --> 00:53:00,220
such a legend and
lose him that way,
1095
00:53:00,307 --> 00:53:03,397
that's just one thing that
just really, really bothers me.
1096
00:53:03,397 --> 00:53:07,227
And I'm so, so glad that
Mike Flanagan corrected
1097
00:53:07,314 --> 00:53:11,188
that when he made Doctor Sleep.
1098
00:53:11,275 --> 00:53:16,758
The overlook it was
always just pictures to me.
1099
00:53:16,845 --> 00:53:20,109
But I didn't shine like you.
1100
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,938
Nobody shines like you.
1101
00:53:23,025 --> 00:53:26,768
Yes, Doctor Sleep, the
beautiful child of two
1102
00:53:26,855 --> 00:53:27,639
divorced parents.
1103
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:34,863
I'm thinking about my dad.
1104
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:37,344
TANANARIVE DUE: I was initially
surprised at how I was really
1105
00:53:37,431 --> 00:53:40,347
drawn in to this sequel
to see what happened
1106
00:53:40,434 --> 00:53:44,438
to Danny as an older
man, how the trauma has
1107
00:53:44,525 --> 00:53:46,440
sort of gone through his life.
1108
00:53:46,571 --> 00:53:49,878
That theme of alcoholism
is always coming up,
1109
00:53:49,878 --> 00:53:52,664
the alcoholism of Danny's
father and the first movie
1110
00:53:52,751 --> 00:53:55,188
and now it's sort of
that unhappy curse
1111
00:53:55,188 --> 00:53:57,538
that the son is still carrying.
1112
00:53:57,669 --> 00:54:01,847
Danny, you can't get away.
1113
00:54:01,977 --> 00:54:05,981
There's no more extreme trauma
than having your father chase
1114
00:54:06,112 --> 00:54:08,897
you and your mother around
with an axe like poor Dan
1115
00:54:08,984 --> 00:54:11,857
did when he was a child.
1116
00:54:11,944 --> 00:54:14,642
So now he's grown, and
he is trying so hard
1117
00:54:14,773 --> 00:54:17,297
to rid himself of the
psychic infestation
1118
00:54:17,384 --> 00:54:18,472
that has taken over his mind.
1119
00:54:18,472 --> 00:54:21,388
[screaming]
1120
00:54:28,613 --> 00:54:31,616
If he could just cut
through the noise,
1121
00:54:31,616 --> 00:54:34,662
maybe he could help end
this needless suffering
1122
00:54:34,749 --> 00:54:37,535
that is happening at the hands
of these terrifying people.
1123
00:54:40,625 --> 00:54:42,496
Well, hi, there.
1124
00:54:42,583 --> 00:54:46,065
Doctor Sleep, I think, is
at least as good as the book.
1125
00:54:46,152 --> 00:54:48,415
The book wasn't what
people expected.
1126
00:54:48,502 --> 00:54:53,159
You know, you expect a
really claustrophobic
1127
00:54:53,246 --> 00:54:55,117
ghost story, like The Shining.
1128
00:54:55,204 --> 00:54:59,557
You expect it to be The
Shining 2, and it's not.
1129
00:54:59,687 --> 00:55:03,691
With Doctor Sleep, it becomes
a sprawling story that
1130
00:55:03,778 --> 00:55:07,434
involves a lot more people.
1131
00:55:07,521 --> 00:55:11,090
I think Mike Flanagan when
he fused the Stephen King
1132
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:15,529
vision and the Kubrick
vision, it was walking a razor
1133
00:55:15,529 --> 00:55:17,139
wire between two things.
1134
00:55:17,139 --> 00:55:20,795
And Mike somehow got to a
place where both things lived
1135
00:55:20,795 --> 00:55:23,189
in harmony not only
simultaneously,
1136
00:55:23,276 --> 00:55:24,321
but they elevated each other.
1137
00:55:27,628 --> 00:55:30,022
If you read the novel, they
don't go back to The Overlook.
1138
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:31,806
The Overlook's burned down.
1139
00:55:31,893 --> 00:55:35,549
And so I think audiences
would have been rioting
1140
00:55:35,636 --> 00:55:37,246
if the overlook wasn't there.
1141
00:55:37,246 --> 00:55:39,553
And if you go to The
Overlook, obviously you have
1142
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,163
to go to Kubrick's Overlook.
1143
00:55:41,250 --> 00:55:44,341
And so threading that
needle took great skill.
1144
00:55:48,693 --> 00:55:51,957
For someone to take
the source material that
1145
00:55:52,044 --> 00:55:53,741
comes from Stephen
King and then bring
1146
00:55:53,828 --> 00:55:56,353
it into the cinematic realm--
1147
00:55:56,483 --> 00:55:59,486
Go.
1148
00:55:59,617 --> 00:56:02,097
DAVID DASTMALCHIAN:--requires
artists of the caliber
1149
00:56:02,097 --> 00:56:08,147
of the Flanagans who can
understand tone, theme,
1150
00:56:08,234 --> 00:56:10,976
understand the
spirit of the story,
1151
00:56:11,106 --> 00:56:15,546
and know that sometimes breaking
it loose of the world in which
1152
00:56:15,633 --> 00:56:18,592
it was constructed within
the narrative of the book
1153
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:22,030
is going to be
necessary as well.
1154
00:56:24,903 --> 00:56:28,385
TRACEY SALISBURY: From The
Shining to the Dead Zone,
1155
00:56:28,515 --> 00:56:30,474
bad things happen
to good people.
1156
00:56:30,474 --> 00:56:34,521
And they have to react
to it a particular way.
1157
00:56:34,521 --> 00:56:38,133
And in the end it may be unfair,
but that's how it works out.
1158
00:56:41,006 --> 00:56:44,226
And it's always a
darkness to him.
1159
00:56:44,226 --> 00:56:46,490
There's something that
might be out there.
1160
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:49,493
And if you leave it to
chance, you might find out.
1161
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:50,972
And that's Stephen
King in a nutshell.
1162
00:56:51,059 --> 00:56:53,714
[ominous music]
1163
00:56:56,456 --> 00:57:00,329
JOE HILL: I asked my dad
once if he was scared of AI.
1164
00:57:00,329 --> 00:57:03,681
I said, you know, what if people
start using AI to pump out
1165
00:57:03,681 --> 00:57:05,073
bad Stephen King imitations?
1166
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,466
He said, "People have been
pumping out bad Stephen
1167
00:57:06,553 --> 00:57:07,859
King adaptations for 40 years.
1168
00:57:07,859 --> 00:57:09,121
I haven't let it bother me yet."
1169
00:57:09,121 --> 00:57:12,429
[suspenseful music]
1170
00:57:14,474 --> 00:57:17,434
[rumbling]
1171
00:57:32,971 --> 00:57:35,234
[screaming]
1172
00:57:38,803 --> 00:57:43,111
[gasps]
1173
00:57:43,111 --> 00:57:47,072
[snarling]
1174
00:57:52,207 --> 00:57:54,209
The ice is going to break.
1175
00:57:58,170 --> 00:58:00,955
[screaming]
1176
00:58:09,137 --> 00:58:12,706
This is what
you're looking for?
1177
00:58:12,706 --> 00:58:14,621
[screaming]
1178
00:58:19,234 --> 00:58:20,888
Great party, isn't it?
1179
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:25,153
[suspenseful music]
1180
00:58:51,832 --> 00:58:52,616
Thinner.
1181
00:58:52,703 --> 00:58:54,618
[ominous music]
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