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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,640 so I introduced you as a former ex pastor of 10 years 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,900 that right that's correct yes 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,200 can we get into that tell us a little bit about 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,780 what made you become a pastor 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,300 my upbringing I grew up in church 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,400 traditional assemblies of god type of church 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,380 word of faith and I always felt a divine pull 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,580 and so 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,840 my rationalization was I was called to be a pastor 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,680 and I was really good at gathering people 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:33,880 so I was as a kid 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,720 I was always good at gathering little groups of people 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,520 and 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,760 and it LED to adulthood and so 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,940 I started a church called Kingdom Culture Center 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,200 in New York City boasting about gosh 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,920 we grew from 20 people 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,360 to over eight different locations 19 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,500 all over the country 20 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,540 and was being mentored by top Christian leaders 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,260 and for some reason I just felt this is not it 22 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,080 and I started questioning things regarding the Trinity 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,440 and different religion 24 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,760 and just wasn't making any sense to me 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:11,800 I couldn't understand 26 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,660 a person who went to theology school 27 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:18,720 matriculated in the highest of Christianity 28 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,320 being a bishop a so called a prophet 29 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:25,740 an apostle just couldn't have answers and 30 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,340 closed the church down 31 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,680 eight different eight 32 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,100 all eight locations all eight locations fold 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,060 fold it 34 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,980 and I went on this journey of trying to find god 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,900 and in religion several well known people into religion 36 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,220 and end up getting sick 37 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:48,760 um 38 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,960 I can get people healed I could do so 39 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,400 many different things for other people 40 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:54,960 you if you need millions of dollars 41 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,580 I can get you millions of dollars 42 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,900 I came to me being sick I also worked in healthcare 43 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,080 and I begin to take on the symptoms of the patients 44 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,140 I was treating 45 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,780 and end up being in ICU for two weeks 46 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,880 and prior going into ICU 47 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,860 I kept going to my shrines and that's kept saying 48 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,580 I'm sick 49 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,880 what is going on here will heal you if you do this 50 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,120 sacrifice a chicken sacrifice a goat sacrifice a cow 51 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:24,960 I'm getting worse 52 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,700 and I'm getting worse and I'm getting worse 53 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,740 and so I ended up on ICU and um 54 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:33,820 really strange 55 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,200 I remember watching 2 tik tokers um 56 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,820 Maliky Click and Amina Rochet 57 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,920 and Amino Rochet talked about something called tahijit 58 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,000 I called it tahijiun 59 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,720 I know how to pronounce it so Tahijit 200 yes 60 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,780 the night prayer that's the that's the night prayer 61 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:54,620 that's nice 62 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,040 and my doctors were literally giving me 63 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,000 because of the sepsis in my body 64 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,840 in the infection 65 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:06,100 I had literally days to live and so I said 66 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,440 I'm gonna try this to hide your thing 67 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,760 and let's see if Allah works 68 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,240 and tried Old Demario and tried all the Arishes 69 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,200 I didn't tried all this other stuff I tried Jesus 70 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,080 I didn't tried everybody nothing's working right now 71 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,580 let me try to hide you 72 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,600 so I tried to hide it first night 73 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,020 nothing changed 74 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,740 second night nothing changed third night 75 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,440 third night is where something really begin to change 76 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,320 I would go down to the hospital chapel 77 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,180 and they will let me go down and I would pray 78 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,740 the morning of the third night 79 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,640 the doctor came in and he said 80 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,460 we've been testing your blood hour upon hour 81 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,460 and we notice your white blood cells are normal 82 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,320 you're normal I was like okay 83 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,200 this is to hygiene okay 84 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,480 I'm gonna take note this is to hygiene 85 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,180 so I guess it's a hygiene works 86 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,220 I was released from the hospital the same morning 87 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,360 and as I was driving home 88 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,100 I begin to have thoughts 89 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,440 I don't think Allah did this 90 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,680 I don't think God did this I'm going home to end this 91 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,160 I'm tired I like what you said because you said Allah 92 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:10,720 they said God 93 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,800 because some people think this is another God 94 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,180 this is the Creator God Almighty Allah in Arabic yes 95 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,160 yes and so I don't think this really happened 96 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,540 and I'm out of the hospital 97 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,180 and I'm going home to end it 98 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:33,020 and so something said get your phone go to TikTok 99 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,020 Maliky Click was on TikTok 100 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,000 and I've never in any TikTok history 101 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,240 as have ever requested to go on someone's life 102 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,940 I said can you give me Shahada 103 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:51,700 and he gave me Shahada that was on June 26th, 2023 104 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,960 since I've taken Shahada 105 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,000 I have LED over 12 other pastors into Islam 106 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,880 so we're gonna see more testimonies come 107 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:00,920 they're always gonna fight 108 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,440 so and then you discuss early 109 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,480 so you talk about this Trinity um 110 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,400 where there other people amongst your congregation 111 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,520 and others because this is something obviously 112 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,320 it just boggles the mind the Trinity 113 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,640 I mean Islam is straightforward and clear 114 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,120 god is one worshipping alone 115 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,240 that's it same message through all time 116 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,480 it's a chain that was never broken 117 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,400 one God that's it 118 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,440 but then you get into the Trinity is confusing 119 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,160 got to do a bunch of 120 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,520 bunch of mental gymnastics and it just blows your mind 121 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,620 you're breaking your mind trying to make it work 122 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,000 was this was it 123 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:31,880 was this something 124 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,740 can you elaborate a little bit more on this 125 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,640 you know the struggle with this as a senior pastor 126 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,760 I never really preached about the Trinity 127 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,860 I just always preached about God 128 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,060 um we saw Jesus as pretty much as a wayshore 129 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,940 I just couldn't under I couldn't 130 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,780 as much as I went to school 131 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,080 we really couldn't break down 132 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,860 I always had an issue with the Trinity 133 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,400 because I read that god is one in the Bible 134 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,400 and then all of a sudden 135 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,140 god changes his mind and becomes three persons 136 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,080 it just was a conflict for me 137 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,560 and who is the Holy Spirit 138 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:05,760 how did he show up like 139 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,440 who are you you know you 140 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,700 you you in a 141 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,480 the Bible is very clear from the evangel 142 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,020 evangelical standpoint 143 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,380 this is god right here in the Old Testament 144 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,020 and then there's a break 145 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,400 and then god all of a sudden becomes 3 146 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,240 3 and one it just wasn't clicking for me 147 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,340 and I remember talking to my leadership staff 148 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,400 talking to my leaders and saying 149 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,760 this doesn't make sense well 150 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,360 you gotta think about it this way 151 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:33,640 you're a spirit you're a soul 152 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,945 you have a body you're a triumph 10634

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