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Joan Jett: Ever since I wanted
to play guitar--
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when I was about 13,
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I asked my parents
for a guitar for Christmas.
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And they kind of thought,
you know,
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that's strange,
but they got it for me.
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It's like this thing
you get at Sears, you know,
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Thirty dollars, you get
the guitar and the amp.
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I was really excited.
I had no idea how to play it.
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But I got it plugged in,
and I just sat there
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on the low "E" string...
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[strumming note]
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...for hours, and drove
my parents absolutely insane.
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Then I wanted to learn
how to play
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and went and took a lesson,
and the guy said,
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"Girls don't play
rock 'n' roll."
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♪ I don't give a damn
'bout my reputation ♪
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♪ I've never been afraid
of any deviation ♪
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♪ An' I don't really care
if you think I'm strange ♪
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♪ I ain't gonna change ♪
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♪ An' I'm never gonna care
'bout my bad reputation ♪
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♪ Oh, no
No, no, no, no, no, no ♪
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♪ Not me
Me, me, me, me, me, me ♪
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♪ Oh, no
No, no, no, no, no, no ♪
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♪ Not me
Me, me, me, me, me, me ♪
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♪ Pedal, boys! ♪
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♪ Not me! ♪
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Growing up in the '70s,
it was sort of a feminism,
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and I didn't think that it
would be such a big deal
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for a girl to try
to play rock 'n' roll.
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♪ ["Rebel Rebel"
by David Bowie plays] ♪
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Joan: I'd started reading
about this club
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probably when I was 12,
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Rodney Bingenheimer's
English Disco.
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Man: He was the first to play
records by Blondie,
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The Ramones, Sex Pistols,
and Nirvana, to name a few.
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Joan: They'd play Bowie,
and they'd play T. Rex,
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Iggy Pop, Suzi Quatro,
who I'd never heard of,
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who was this girl
playing bass.
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It was a disco for teenagers.
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If you were, like, 21,
you were already too old,
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though rock stars of that era
would come in.
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I was a naive kid,
so going to Hollywood,
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it was a big night out.
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I talked some kids
to come with me,
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and there were guys and girls
with tons of makeup on
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and crazy hairdos
and lots of glitter
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and really short skirts
and dresses and fishnets,
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and it was just,
"What the fuck is this?"
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A club full
of a bunch of weirdos
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living in a city that's known
to be full of weirdos.
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♪ I love you so ♪
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♪ ["Get It On"
by T. Rex plays] ♪
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Joan: And they're blasting
all this raunchy and dirty--
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but clean dirty, you know,
like playing on
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double entendres
and stuff like that,
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and some of it
was straight-up dirtier.
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That music hit you in a spot
you couldn't really describe,
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and it made you want to do it
and there was something...
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down there.
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As you're a kid, you can't put
your finger on it yet,
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so to speak.
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I'm walking into
all these dirty jokes.
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I only remember the sex.
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I don't remember anything else
about LA at all, apparently.
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Evelyn McDonnell: There was
a kind of depravity
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going on in Los Angeles
at that time.
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Quaaludes were really
important to understanding
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1970s rock 'n' roll culture
in California.
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Don Bolles: I think everyone
was into Quaaludes then,
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'cause you could. Quaaludes
were a ridiculous drug,
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but everyone
seemed to like them.
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They were young suburban kids
out to wreak havoc,
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and get the hell away from the suburbs and their parents.
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It was just a nutty time.
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Evelyn: Again, this was
coming out of Stonewall,
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the start of
the gay liberation movement.
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The nuclear bomb has gone off
in the nuclear family.
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♪ Bye-bye... ♪
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Joan: My mother and I
used to go to the movies
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pretty much every weekend.
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We went to go seeCabaret.
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Really blew my mind.
I loved Liza Minnelli.
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I loved the combination
of the campiness,
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1920s Germany,
and the flapper girl vibe.
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So obviously being around
a place like Rodney's,
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that was campy, too.
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It was exactly the sort
of vibe inCabaret.
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♪ You're better off
without me... ♪
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Joan: But whatever happened,
Cabaret, Hollywood,
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and the idea about playing
music all fused into one.
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Rodney Bingenheimer:
I always called Joan Jett
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and David Bowie "time travelers"
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because they're into all
this music before it happens.
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Joan: At one point, I met
a girl, and she wrote lyrics.
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Kari Krome
was just another kid like me
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hanging out at the Disco,
and she said, you know,
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"Maybe you should talk
to my publisher.
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His name's Kim Fowley."
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He called me up one day
and, you know,
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"So-and-so says
you want to form a band."
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I said, "Yeah, I want to form
an all-girl band.
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I can't be the only girl
in Hollywood
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that wants to do this."
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He said, "Well,
do you have any demos?"
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I didn't even know
what a demo was.
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A couple days later,
it happened that Sandy West,
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who was the drummer
of The Runaways,
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she drove up with some friends
to hang out at the Rainbow,
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the Rainbow parking lot,
which is a place
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where people go to watch stars,
and people would hobnob
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and shoot the shit
for a few hours,
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and she went up to him saying...
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Sandy West: I said, "Hi,
you know, I play drums,
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and I'm in a band right now."
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He goes, "How old are you?"
"Well, I'm 15 and a half."
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He says, "You're kidding me."
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He goes, "I'm working with
a girl right now who's 14.
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I think she knows
a friend out in the Valley
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who plays electric guitar."
Turned out to be Joan.
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She arrived
a couple weeks later
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with her little Sears guitar
in hand,
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three buses
and four hours later
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from Canoga Park
to Huntington Beach,
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and she had such great rhythm
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that hit it off
so well together.
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Picked up the phone,
called Kim,
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said, "Listen to this,"
and we played
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some sort of
Chuck Berry-ish thing
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or maybe "Wild Thing."
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♪ Wild thing ♪
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♪ You make my heart sing ♪
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♪ You make everything ♪
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♪ Come on... ♪
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Joan: Man, Sandy,
we really connected.
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That was the genesis
of The Runaways.
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It was the heart.
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Interviewer: What were your
first impressions of LA?
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It was Rodney and Kim Fowley
walking down somewhere together.
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Kim Fowley looked
like Frankenstein
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if Frankenstein was on crack.
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He had produced a couple
of very obscure novelty hits.
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I think he was involved
with something
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called "Alley Oop"
by the Hollywood Argyles.
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I always loved the song.
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♪ There's a cat
in the funny papers ♪
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♪ We all know
Alley oop-oop ♪
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♪ Oop, oop-oop ♪
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♪ He lived way back
A long time ago ♪
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Et cetera.
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He flirted around
with working with me,
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and I really didn't want
to get too involved.
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One day, he said,
"Well, I've got a group going,
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and they are The Runaways."
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Kim Fowley: I said, "Joan,
let's go to the Sugar Shack
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because there will be
some girls out there
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who will know who you are."
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Joan:
We had a three-piece lineup
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that we created
in the first month,
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but I was so shy at this point,
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it was obvious
I couldn't sing lead.
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You know, I was--
I was too shy,
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and I was embarrassed
kind of to be on stage.
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Kim: The whole room was full
of miniature lipstick lesbian
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teenage girls,
and then you had the gay boys
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who were mincing around.
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♪ ["Blockbuster" by
The Sweet plays] ♪
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Kim: And a girl, Cherie Currie, walked up
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and in a stage whisper said,
"That's Joan Jett!"
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♪ You better watch out
if you got long black hair ♪
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Cherie Currie: I had heard
about The Runaways.
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And there was this little bit
of a buzz going on
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about this teenage rock group,
so when I met her, it was--
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you know, it was a little,
"Wow, it's Joan!"
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Kim: I said,
"You're either cruising her
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because you're a dyke,
or you want to be
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the lead singer of
The Runaways.
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Can you sing?" "Yes."
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"Good, you're gonna
audition tomorrow."
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And then she brought
her twin sister up.
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And I said, "I'm not
interested in a sister act.
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I'm interested
in one Brigitte Bardot
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fronting the screaming, loud,
obnoxious, rebellious girls
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who can take over the world."
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And everybody had big smiles
on their faces.
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"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."
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- Announcer: The Runaways!
- [crowd cheering]
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Joan: I think Sandy came across
Lita by December of '75.
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The three-piece was over,
and we had Cherie
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and a bass player
named Jackie Fox.
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♪ Can't stay at home,
can't stay at school ♪
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♪ Old folks say
"You poor little fool" ♪
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♪ Down the street
I'm the girl next door ♪
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♪ I'm the fox
You've been waiting for ♪
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♪ Hello, Daddy, hello, Mom ♪
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♪ I'm your ch-ch-ch-ch-ch--
Cherry bomb ♪
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♪ Hello, world
I'm your wild girl ♪
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♪ I'm your ch-ch-ch-ch-ch
Cherry bomb ♪
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Joan: Kim and I wrote
"Cherry Bomb" on the spot
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when Cherie came to audition,
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and it became such an iconic
song for The Runaways.
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♪ Bad nights
Causing teenage blues ♪
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♪ Get down, ladies
You've got nothin' to lose ♪
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Kim: When we were putting
The Runaways together,
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it was based on Darwin.
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Let's start with the evolution
of a man in show business.
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♪ Hello, world
I'm your wild girl ♪
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♪ I'm your ch-ch-ch... ♪
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Kim: The guys just kept getting
more and more
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and more and more feminine.
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Elvis was feminine.
Sinatra was feminine.
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Bing Crosby was feminine,
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but if you keep getting
more and more feminine,
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you're gonna get
to female, duh.
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♪ Hello, Daddy, hello, Mom... ♪
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Joan: What Jimi Hendrix said
about women
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playing rock 'n' roll
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and when they do, they'll be
looked at like aliens.
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In our case,
it was absolutely true.
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♪ Cherry bomb! ♪
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Kim: If you look at the lyrics
of The Runaways,
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you'll find that there
is an openness
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that most teenage girls
did not have in real life.
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Joan: Everything
happened really fast.
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We were playing gigs.
We were in the studio.
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We just cut the tracks live.
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I was so into this idea
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of girls being able to play
rock 'n' roll,
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and that they'll play
as well as boys will,
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and girls playing
rock 'n' roll
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would be so cool and sexy
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because it's never been done.
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I thought everybody
would love it.
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Once they realized
it was serious
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and we planned to make
an album and go on tour
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and do everything
the male bands were doing,
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the tables turned
where it went from,
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"Oh, cute, sweet,"
to "Slut, whore, cunt."
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I've been hurt.
241
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I've had my head split open
by a beer bottle,
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a rib cracked by getting
a battery thrown at me,
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like, a big metal rig thing
just because I was a girl.
244
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You know, get spit on.
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I mean, I just felt like
I couldn't leave the stage.
246
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You know,
I'd go off afterwards and cry
247
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just because they didn't get it,
and then I'd feel better
248
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after I'd-- you know,
cried a little bit, going,
249
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"Why? What's with that, that
people need to be so hateful
250
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because you're playing
rock 'n' roll," you know?
251
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Some of the other girls
got tired of it,
252
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and I don't blame them.
253
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It was just that to me,
254
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it felt like
that's what I had to do.
255
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Tell me I can't do something,
256
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and you'll make sure
I'm gonna be doing it.
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Rodney: Hey, I heard a story,
a rumor.
258
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Someplace
where you're rehearsing,
259
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what were you guys wearing
during the rehearsal?
260
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I heard it was so hot,
261
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the air conditioner
broke down, and...
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Joan:
What do you want to hear,
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"Yeah, we took off our pants"?
264
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Joan: I remember early on,
one of my first interviews
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where people probably asked me about sex in the band.
266
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And I thought to myself,
if I answer this question,
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that's all The Runaways' music
will ever be about, is sex.
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I have to talk about music.
It has to be about music.
269
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Because just being girls
exudes that sexuality.
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We don't have to talk about it.
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Joan: [on recording]
They don't know
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what to say
about an all-girl band
273
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besides the fact
that we're just a band.
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They don't know where to put us,
and so they just say, well,
275
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we're young,
we sing about, you know,
276
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slightly outrageous things,
rebellious things.
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So they stick us in that field.
278
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Chris Stein: I was sitting around my house,
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and I found an old copy
ofCrawdaddy magazine,
280
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it was a review of The Runaways
281
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where the guy just
slammed the shit out of them.
282
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The stuff he didn't like
about them is all the stuff
283
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that everybody loves now,
284
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the fact that they were young
and sexy and female.
285
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Debbie Harry:
We were all sort of rejects
286
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in terms of the industry.
287
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A lot of the criticism
that was heaped on them
288
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was very negative
and condescending
289
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and, you know, misogynistic.
290
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Billie Joe Armstrong: Especially
with mainstream press
291
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in, like, the mid-'70s,
292
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You know,
people are fucking stupid,
293
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and they'll do anything
to create an article,
294
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to create some kind of outrage.
295
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Joan: Rolling Stone
hated The Runaways.
296
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The only time
they wrote about us,
297
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"Runaways get arrested and
thrown out of Disney World."
298
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We were in a line
taking a photo,
299
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and we put our arms
around each other walking.
300
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"That's it! Lesbians, out!"
301
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But if you listen
to The Runaways,
302
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those are bad-ass rock songs,
and they kick the shit
303
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out of almost everything else
that was out at that time.
304
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♪["All Right You Guys"
by The Runaways plays] ♪
305
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Kim: Women were stepping out
as rebels.
306
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Women were getting pissed off
in the culture.
307
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They were getting out there
and kicking some heads.
308
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The guys
were turning into fags,
309
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and the women were turning
into John Wayne.
310
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♪ Hey, you, the air
Is pretty thick tonight... ♪
311
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Joan: At this point,
there were signs
312
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the women's-lib movement
was really taking root.
313
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It showed so much promise.
314
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All it meant to us was that
we could do what we want.
315
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♪ We don't care what we do Is right as long as we do it ♪
316
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♪ We don't care
What we do is right... ♪
317
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Joan: Kim took us to see
Clockwork Orange
318
00:14:02,015 --> 00:14:03,973
andRollerball, and afterwards,
319
00:14:04,191 --> 00:14:06,541
he turned to me and Cherie
and said,
320
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"That's what I want
The Runaways to be."
321
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What he did in rehearsal,
you know,
322
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throwing stuff at us,
calling us names,
323
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that was our boot camp.
324
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We were preparing for exactly
what we walked into.
325
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Kim could come off
pretty intense,
326
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but I wasn't afraid of him.
327
00:14:21,817 --> 00:14:24,515
Evelyn: Kim is the, you know,
most controversial part
328
00:14:24,689 --> 00:14:25,821
of The Runaways.
329
00:14:26,126 --> 00:14:27,867
There were people
who loved Kim,
330
00:14:28,041 --> 00:14:30,347
and there are people
who actually despise him
331
00:14:30,521 --> 00:14:32,872
and think he
was a kind of Satan.
332
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Joan:
My mother liked Kim,
333
00:14:35,135 --> 00:14:37,093
and he would be on the phone
with her for hours.
334
00:14:37,267 --> 00:14:39,400
He talked to her a lot,
you know, I mean,
335
00:14:39,574 --> 00:14:41,097
probably more than any
of the other mothers
336
00:14:41,315 --> 00:14:43,230
and was probably
the most friends with her.
337
00:14:43,447 --> 00:14:45,841
I think she felt reassured,
but she also knew
338
00:14:46,015 --> 00:14:48,583
how the other mothers
were hesitant.
339
00:14:49,845 --> 00:14:52,413
My parents told me
I could be anything
340
00:14:52,630 --> 00:14:54,763
I wanted to be
when I was five years old,
341
00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:55,764
and I believed them.
342
00:14:56,243 --> 00:14:57,592
So that's the attitude
343
00:14:57,766 --> 00:14:59,463
as a young child
that I took into life.
344
00:14:59,637 --> 00:15:01,901
I wanted to be an astronaut.
I wanted to be an archaeologist.
345
00:15:02,075 --> 00:15:03,467
I wanted to be
all different things.
346
00:15:03,641 --> 00:15:05,078
You know,
I didn't realize, really,
347
00:15:06,166 --> 00:15:07,907
there was this glass ceiling.
348
00:15:08,081 --> 00:15:10,953
When they got me
that guitar for Christmas,
349
00:15:11,214 --> 00:15:13,216
the electric guitar,
I was thinking,
350
00:15:13,434 --> 00:15:15,044
most parents wouldn't do that.
351
00:15:15,218 --> 00:15:16,741
Anne Larkin: She always had
this inner confidence
352
00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:18,134
that she knew what she wanted.
353
00:15:18,395 --> 00:15:19,831
She didn't care
what anybody else thought,
354
00:15:20,006 --> 00:15:23,052
even when she was young,
and it's, you know,
355
00:15:23,226 --> 00:15:26,795
the single vision, and that's how she was, always.
356
00:15:26,969 --> 00:15:30,755
Joan: My rebellion, as they say,
was not against my parents.
357
00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:32,583
What I saw, that society,
358
00:15:32,757 --> 00:15:35,151
with all this lip service
to women,
359
00:15:35,891 --> 00:15:39,199
women's lib and all that,
I saw that it was... bull.
360
00:15:40,504 --> 00:15:43,290
♪♪♪ Rows and flows of
angel hair ♪♪
361
00:15:44,073 --> 00:15:48,948
♪ And ice cream castles
In the air ♪
362
00:15:49,426 --> 00:15:51,037
There were a lot of girls
363
00:15:51,211 --> 00:15:55,084
who didn't want to be
Joni Mitchell, you know?
364
00:15:55,258 --> 00:15:56,738
They wanted to rock.
365
00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:59,219
The heaviest ones
would drink with you,
366
00:15:59,393 --> 00:16:00,960
do everything with you,
367
00:16:01,134 --> 00:16:04,267
but they were always
in that sidecar role,
368
00:16:04,441 --> 00:16:06,052
and then along came
The Runaways.
369
00:16:06,269 --> 00:16:09,098
Joan Jett
was nobody's sidecar.
370
00:16:09,751 --> 00:16:14,234
♪[playing "Neon Angels
on the Road to Ruin"] ♪
371
00:16:17,672 --> 00:16:19,065
Evelyn: It was
a very male-dominated
372
00:16:19,239 --> 00:16:21,241
rock-'n'-roll scene
in the 1970s,
373
00:16:21,458 --> 00:16:24,505
and the women that were
making music at that time
374
00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:28,291
were in kind of stereotypical, "I'm a singer-songwriter,"
375
00:16:28,465 --> 00:16:29,945
had a different
kind of cultural power.
376
00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:32,382
♪ In overdrive ♪
377
00:16:33,122 --> 00:16:35,211
♪ Cobra kings ♪
378
00:16:35,516 --> 00:16:37,779
♪ Wet and wild ♪
379
00:16:38,867 --> 00:16:43,263
♪ Love the devil
That's in your smile ♪
380
00:16:43,872 --> 00:16:46,396
♪ Let me tell you
What we've been doin' ♪
381
00:16:46,570 --> 00:16:49,182
♪ Neon angels
On the road to ruin ♪
382
00:16:49,486 --> 00:16:51,880
♪ Let me tell you
What we've been doin' ♪
383
00:16:52,054 --> 00:16:55,666
♪ Neon angels
On the road to ruin ♪
384
00:16:56,972 --> 00:17:00,280
Evelyn: Rock radio did not play
a lot of women artists.
385
00:17:00,584 --> 00:17:03,065
The FM stations at the time,
386
00:17:03,283 --> 00:17:05,024
there'd only be
one female artist
387
00:17:05,241 --> 00:17:06,982
on the air per hour.
388
00:17:07,156 --> 00:17:10,420
This was like a literal policy of radio stations.
389
00:17:11,943 --> 00:17:14,468
♪ Let me tell you
What we've been doin' ♪
390
00:17:14,642 --> 00:17:16,905
♪ Neon angels
On the road to ruin... ♪
391
00:17:17,123 --> 00:17:18,515
How many radio stations
are playing
392
00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:20,387
this kind of music
in the United States now?
393
00:17:20,691 --> 00:17:22,693
- Do we know?
- I would think almost none.
394
00:17:22,867 --> 00:17:24,782
Maybe like one or two
in New York, one or two in LA.
395
00:17:26,697 --> 00:17:28,830
Tom Snyder: But from what
I've read about it,
there's no music.
396
00:17:29,004 --> 00:17:31,963
It's just chords and ranting
and raving and putdowns.
397
00:17:32,138 --> 00:17:37,273
- Uh-uh-uh-uh.
- No, it's more than that.
398
00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:39,580
I think
it's a B-movie on record.
399
00:17:39,797 --> 00:17:41,930
They were young,
they were hot,
400
00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:44,541
and their music spoke
about who they were
401
00:17:44,715 --> 00:17:46,456
and about their generation.
402
00:17:46,761 --> 00:17:49,720
I mean, it was heartfelt
and mentally correct.
403
00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:51,809
Kim: I feel it's a vacuum
404
00:17:51,983 --> 00:17:53,942
because we're living
in a fragmented '70s
405
00:17:54,116 --> 00:17:56,640
where there's so many
different things happening
406
00:17:56,988 --> 00:17:59,643
that there isn't one Beatles
or one Elvis Presley.
407
00:17:59,817 --> 00:18:02,994
It hasn't come yet,
and here we are almost in 1980,
408
00:18:03,169 --> 00:18:05,649
and we're still looking over
our shoulders at the '60s.
409
00:18:05,867 --> 00:18:07,999
Joan: There's an inflection
point in every generation
410
00:18:08,174 --> 00:18:10,219
where new ideas bubble
to the surface
411
00:18:10,393 --> 00:18:12,439
and express themselves
in new ways.
412
00:18:12,613 --> 00:18:14,963
The world had never seen
a band like us.
413
00:18:16,051 --> 00:18:19,620
I felt that England got us more and did take us seriously.
414
00:18:19,794 --> 00:18:22,362
Cherie: We were selling out
wherever we went.
415
00:18:23,232 --> 00:18:25,408
♪ ["Pretty Vacant" by
the Sex Pistols plays] ♪
416
00:18:26,148 --> 00:18:27,715
Joan: They seemed to get it.
417
00:18:27,889 --> 00:18:31,066
Kids my age in England
had a much wider exposure
418
00:18:31,284 --> 00:18:33,634
to different kinds of music
and would embrace it.
419
00:18:34,722 --> 00:18:37,594
The Sex Pistols were a huge part of the British punk scene.
420
00:18:38,247 --> 00:18:40,945
We got a chance to see some
of the punk stuff up close.
421
00:18:41,337 --> 00:18:42,643
Really influenced me.
422
00:18:43,034 --> 00:18:44,862
So I kind of went over
as a glitter person,
423
00:18:45,036 --> 00:18:46,560
came home dressed as a punk.
424
00:18:47,865 --> 00:18:50,825
♪ There's no point in asking,
You'll get no reply ♪
425
00:18:51,042 --> 00:18:53,262
Joan: Yeah, so I used to buy
a lot of my accessories
426
00:18:53,436 --> 00:18:56,831
at a sex store,
S&M fetish store
427
00:18:57,005 --> 00:18:58,746
called The Pleasure Chest.
428
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,488
I bought this great ring belt, and I used to wear that.
429
00:19:01,836 --> 00:19:03,925
We were hanging out
on a houseboat
430
00:19:04,099 --> 00:19:08,582
that we had rented for a month
to record in London.
431
00:19:09,235 --> 00:19:11,628
Sid and Nancy came over
to the houseboat one night,
432
00:19:12,325 --> 00:19:16,851
and he liked my belt,
and so I gave it to him.
433
00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:21,334
Sally Hershberger:
Nobody in the United States
434
00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:24,641
was wearing, like, safety pins
on their leather jacket
435
00:19:24,815 --> 00:19:26,687
and all the chains...
436
00:19:26,861 --> 00:19:30,430
and, you know. She was a real
punk rocker in California.
437
00:19:30,647 --> 00:19:33,084
Nobody was a punk rocker.
I mean, she lived that.
438
00:19:33,259 --> 00:19:35,174
♪ 'Cause we know
What we feel... ♪
439
00:19:36,305 --> 00:19:38,438
[perky intro music playing]
440
00:19:38,612 --> 00:19:41,310
Announcer:
The Runaways from USA.
441
00:19:41,571 --> 00:19:43,399
Joan: Thank you, we're
really happy to be here.
442
00:19:43,878 --> 00:19:47,229
[music continues]
443
00:19:49,362 --> 00:19:51,059
Joan: When we got to Japan,
you know,
444
00:19:51,233 --> 00:19:54,193
that's when I felt,
"Wow, thousands of girls,
445
00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:56,369
like, treating you like
the Beatles."
446
00:19:56,543 --> 00:19:58,371
I mean...
I know it sounds funny.
447
00:19:58,545 --> 00:20:00,111
That's the only way
you could describe it.
448
00:20:00,286 --> 00:20:02,679
[crowd clamoring]
449
00:20:05,595 --> 00:20:07,684
Joan: They love
their music stars over there,
450
00:20:08,076 --> 00:20:10,165
but it felt like we tapped
into something else
451
00:20:10,339 --> 00:20:11,558
with female audiences.
452
00:20:11,732 --> 00:20:13,777
I thought it was exhilarating,
453
00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:16,911
but just because I thought
"That's powerful, man,
454
00:20:17,085 --> 00:20:18,608
it's all girls."
455
00:20:18,782 --> 00:20:20,131
The more I thought about it,
I realized,
456
00:20:20,306 --> 00:20:22,090
"Wait, Japanese women
457
00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:24,223
are treated sort of like
second-class citizens there.
458
00:20:24,397 --> 00:20:26,268
So these teenage girls
were feeling
459
00:20:27,313 --> 00:20:30,011
the power of The Runaways
saying, "No, we can do it."
460
00:20:30,272 --> 00:20:32,274
The studio audiences went nuts.
461
00:20:32,796 --> 00:20:35,582
- [audience cheering]
- Oh, God. Oh, boy. [laughs]
462
00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:37,410
Okay, why don't you just
tell me about...
463
00:20:37,584 --> 00:20:39,368
Oh, they all know you very well,
464
00:20:39,847 --> 00:20:43,285
but why don't you tell me
about how this band was made?
465
00:20:43,503 --> 00:20:45,374
It wasn't until Japan
466
00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:47,158
where we actually got
a paycheck.
467
00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:48,812
We knew something was wrong
468
00:20:49,204 --> 00:20:51,162
when we weren't
really getting paid.
469
00:20:51,337 --> 00:20:53,295
We'd have to ask for money
for Tampax
470
00:20:53,469 --> 00:20:55,036
or a hamburger on the road,
471
00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:56,951
and there was
always some excuse,
472
00:20:57,168 --> 00:20:58,735
but yet we were selling out
everywhere,
473
00:20:58,953 --> 00:21:00,520
and there were the t-shirts,
474
00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:02,130
and there were all the kids
and the fans.
475
00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:06,743
In the middle of the tour,
we got this booklet.
476
00:21:07,135 --> 00:21:09,355
It was an all-color booklet.
It said "The Runaways."
477
00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:11,792
And there was like
a tiny picture of all of us,
478
00:21:12,140 --> 00:21:15,752
and then it was like foldout
soft-core porn shots
479
00:21:15,926 --> 00:21:18,233
of Cherie all the way through.
480
00:21:18,407 --> 00:21:20,366
Cherie:
Kim made a very bad mistake.
481
00:21:20,540 --> 00:21:24,152
He set up a photo session
with the Japanese for me.
482
00:21:24,326 --> 00:21:26,241
Next thing I knew, there was a complete tour book
483
00:21:26,415 --> 00:21:27,721
with, you know,
me in my corset.
484
00:21:27,895 --> 00:21:30,593
We're, like, going,
"What the fuck is this?"
485
00:21:30,985 --> 00:21:32,856
And we were all really annoyed
486
00:21:33,117 --> 00:21:34,815
by the fact
that Cherie had done it
487
00:21:34,989 --> 00:21:36,338
and that she
didn't say anything to us.
488
00:21:36,512 --> 00:21:38,253
Cherie: And the girls
really thought
489
00:21:38,514 --> 00:21:41,387
that I had done that myself,
but Kim did things like that
490
00:21:41,561 --> 00:21:44,607
that caused damage to the band
491
00:21:44,781 --> 00:21:47,218
that just could not
be fixed after a while.
492
00:21:47,393 --> 00:21:49,482
You know, they ended up
not trusting me at all,
493
00:21:49,699 --> 00:21:53,573
and that caused me to separate
myself a lot from the girls.
494
00:21:54,225 --> 00:21:56,445
And Joan and I had been very,
very, very close.
495
00:21:56,619 --> 00:22:01,755
Jackie had left from Japan
kind of a broken child,
496
00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:03,626
and I was the second to go.
497
00:22:04,932 --> 00:22:08,588
Joan: After she left the band
and after our Japanese tour,
498
00:22:09,023 --> 00:22:11,112
I didn't follow what she was doing right away.
499
00:22:11,286 --> 00:22:13,462
Obviously, there were parts
of me that was very hurt
500
00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:15,421
by that because we were close.
501
00:22:15,595 --> 00:22:18,511
You know,
a band is like a family.
502
00:22:19,468 --> 00:22:21,340
No! No!
503
00:22:21,514 --> 00:22:23,820
If you wanna see "Cherry Bomb,"
find Cherie
504
00:22:23,994 --> 00:22:25,866
because we're fucking tired
of that song.
505
00:22:26,083 --> 00:22:28,869
[crowd shouting and cheering]
506
00:22:29,522 --> 00:22:31,741
Evelyn: Shortly thereafter that,
they fired Kim Fowley.
507
00:22:31,915 --> 00:22:34,483
I think Kim's
biggest mistake in life
508
00:22:34,657 --> 00:22:36,572
was not recognizing
that Joan Jett
509
00:22:36,746 --> 00:22:38,618
was his great star
and his great discovery.
510
00:22:38,879 --> 00:22:41,316
Toby Mamis: Joan took over
the front person's role,
511
00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:43,492
which she earned
and which she deserved,
512
00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:46,626
but it changed the perception
of the band by the industry
513
00:22:46,843 --> 00:22:49,150
because the industry
was so focused on Cherie
514
00:22:49,324 --> 00:22:51,848
and the blonde-bombshell look, and that's haunted
515
00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:54,111
not just the music business
but all entertainment formats,
516
00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:55,722
TV and film, for years.
517
00:22:56,026 --> 00:22:59,116
Don: What you do when
your iconic lead singer
518
00:22:59,508 --> 00:23:02,685
just is gone, you know,
and you gotta step up?
519
00:23:03,991 --> 00:23:06,689
It's kind of incredible
that she, you know,
520
00:23:06,907 --> 00:23:08,822
had the balls to even do it.
521
00:23:08,996 --> 00:23:11,825
Rodney: So do you have a new record or anything coming out?
522
00:23:12,042 --> 00:23:14,131
Joan: Nope.
[laughter]
523
00:23:14,305 --> 00:23:16,482
No we're going to Europe,
right,
524
00:23:16,656 --> 00:23:18,484
two days after the Whisky,
525
00:23:18,788 --> 00:23:22,270
and we're gonna record
in either London or Berlin.
526
00:23:23,053 --> 00:23:25,969
♪ Blue-skinned
Sleeping boys ♪
527
00:23:26,143 --> 00:23:29,408
♪ Man,
You're lookin' wasted ♪
528
00:23:29,582 --> 00:23:32,193
♪ Greasy wheels,
Streets of steel ♪
529
00:23:32,367 --> 00:23:35,370
♪ No tellin' what ya tasted ♪
530
00:23:35,544 --> 00:23:38,199
Joan: We did "Wasted"
on the TV show
531
00:23:38,373 --> 00:23:40,506
Old Grey Whistle Test
when we were in London.
532
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,508
First time The Runaways
were on TV
533
00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:45,380
with me as lead singer,
which was really scary.
534
00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:47,904
♪ Sad you are so shattered ♪
535
00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:49,732
Everything was just
kind of splintering.
536
00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:53,780
I felt the album was going in a
very heavy direction musically,
537
00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:57,566
and I could feel
a camaraderie between Sandy,
538
00:23:57,740 --> 00:24:00,308
Lita and this producer,
John Alcock,
539
00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:02,136
and I was not part of it.
540
00:24:02,528 --> 00:24:04,921
He drove a wedge between Sandy
and Lita on one side
541
00:24:05,095 --> 00:24:07,750
and Joan on the other
that destroyed the band.
542
00:24:08,011 --> 00:24:09,622
You know,
I'm not gonna get fired
543
00:24:09,796 --> 00:24:13,452
from a band I started,
so we're not on the same page.
544
00:24:13,626 --> 00:24:16,803
So I should probably
let you guys do your thing.
545
00:24:17,717 --> 00:24:20,415
You know, we'd always
been close enough to laugh
546
00:24:20,589 --> 00:24:22,591
and all that stuff,
and you could tell
547
00:24:22,765 --> 00:24:24,637
those sort of elements
were leaving.
548
00:24:24,941 --> 00:24:27,161
You know, you felt like
you had to walk on eggshells,
549
00:24:27,422 --> 00:24:28,989
and I didn't want to fight.
550
00:24:29,163 --> 00:24:32,601
You know, I loved these girls. It was our baby.
551
00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:35,561
♪ It doesn't
Really matter... ♪
552
00:24:35,865 --> 00:24:38,520
Chris: I remember at the end
of The Runaways period,
553
00:24:39,347 --> 00:24:42,350
she, you know, gained weight
and was really bummed out
554
00:24:42,524 --> 00:24:43,960
as it was closing.
555
00:24:44,265 --> 00:24:48,095
If they had, you know,
proper management, you know,
556
00:24:48,269 --> 00:24:51,490
they probably would have gone
a lot further a lot longer.
557
00:24:59,541 --> 00:25:00,847
Joan: How did I personally deal
558
00:25:01,064 --> 00:25:02,718
with the crumbling
of The Runaways?
559
00:25:04,677 --> 00:25:07,331
I drank a lot starting
at 8:00 in the morning.
560
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:08,724
Not a good thing.
561
00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:10,334
Not a good way to deal
with things.
562
00:25:10,596 --> 00:25:13,773
No, it got heavier than that.
Definitely.
563
00:25:14,251 --> 00:25:16,776
Felt like LA was totally
laughing at me going,
564
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,343
"We told you it wouldn't work.
565
00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:21,737
We told you
you couldn't do it."
566
00:25:21,911 --> 00:25:24,958
Debbie: She moved to Sunset
and San Vicente
567
00:25:25,175 --> 00:25:27,308
in that weird house
across from the Whisky.
568
00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,484
It was decadent, honey.
569
00:25:29,702 --> 00:25:32,226
I would go by there,
and it was like
570
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,315
tons of people all over
the living room,
571
00:25:34,489 --> 00:25:36,665
and I remember being
with Chrissie Hynde,
572
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:39,015
and Chrissie's like,
"Honey," to Joan,
573
00:25:39,189 --> 00:25:40,756
"You gotta pull it together."
574
00:25:41,061 --> 00:25:45,674
Toby: Her friend Lisa called
and said, "Joan's very sick.
575
00:25:46,066 --> 00:25:47,589
"I have to take her
to the emergency room.
576
00:25:47,763 --> 00:25:49,635
She's sweating.
She's very sick.
577
00:25:49,809 --> 00:25:52,246
Something's wrong,"
and she had a heart infection.
578
00:25:52,855 --> 00:25:56,467
And she ended up in Cedars,
and it was pretty scary.
579
00:25:56,642 --> 00:25:59,819
I'm lucky I'm still here.
580
00:26:00,123 --> 00:26:01,516
I know my mom
was really worried about her.
581
00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:03,039
It was a really hard time.
582
00:26:03,910 --> 00:26:05,433
She was really depressed
583
00:26:05,694 --> 00:26:07,653
because she had high hopes
for The Runaways.
584
00:26:07,827 --> 00:26:09,480
Toby: It is funny
that it's a heart infection
585
00:26:09,655 --> 00:26:12,353
because she did have a broken heart for losing The Runaways.
586
00:26:12,614 --> 00:26:14,094
Joan: I was angry.
587
00:26:14,268 --> 00:26:16,139
I didn't know how to make sense of a world
588
00:26:16,357 --> 00:26:19,447
that would give girls shit for playing guitars, you know?
589
00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:23,320
Like, "Don't you have important
things to be upset about?"
590
00:26:24,234 --> 00:26:27,890
[melancholy
guitar music playing]
591
00:26:28,456 --> 00:26:31,198
I thought, you know,
I'm gonna fucking kill myself.
592
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,592
Accidentally,
but I'm gonna do it.
593
00:26:33,766 --> 00:26:35,594
I gotta do something.
What can I do?
594
00:26:35,768 --> 00:26:38,684
Maybe I'll join a branch
of the military,
595
00:26:38,858 --> 00:26:40,947
straighten up,
learn something.
596
00:26:41,121 --> 00:26:45,560
I considered that because I didn't know what else to do,
597
00:26:45,734 --> 00:26:48,694
but we still had
some legal obligations.
598
00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:51,479
We had signed to do
the music for a movie,
599
00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:53,481
and even though the band
wasn't together anymore,
600
00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:56,049
I cannot get sued,
I can't afford to get sued.
601
00:26:56,266 --> 00:26:58,181
I need to write these songs.
602
00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:00,531
Kenny Laguna: I went through
a few offers to produce them,
603
00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:02,098
and I wasn't really interested.
604
00:27:02,272 --> 00:27:05,885
Although I was intrigued
by five crazy girls
605
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:11,717
who were attractive,
took a lot of drugs,
606
00:27:11,891 --> 00:27:14,154
made good music,
and the band broke up.
607
00:27:14,328 --> 00:27:15,938
And they were teenage girls
so they didn't care
608
00:27:16,112 --> 00:27:18,549
about commitments
or responsibility.
609
00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:20,247
I probably would have
turned it down again.
610
00:27:20,421 --> 00:27:21,683
I was in England.
611
00:27:21,944 --> 00:27:23,380
Joan Jett
was the only one left
612
00:27:23,598 --> 00:27:25,208
who was gonna live up
to the commitment.
613
00:27:25,382 --> 00:27:29,909
They had eight days to create six songs when Toby called me.
614
00:27:30,126 --> 00:27:33,608
Toby: Before John Alcott,
I had thought of Kenny Laguna
615
00:27:33,782 --> 00:27:35,654
as a guy who might produce
this Runaways album.
616
00:27:35,828 --> 00:27:38,178
He blew me off.
I went back to Kenny Laguna
617
00:27:38,352 --> 00:27:39,875
because I'm obviously
a masochist.
618
00:27:40,049 --> 00:27:41,660
"I know you're
a good songwriter,
619
00:27:41,834 --> 00:27:44,358
and I really think
that you'd click with Joan."
620
00:27:44,532 --> 00:27:46,012
Kenny: My wife Meryl
said to me,
621
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,101
"I've been reading
about Joan Jett.
622
00:27:48,362 --> 00:27:49,668
I think she's significant."
623
00:27:49,842 --> 00:27:51,670
I was in the studio
with him,
624
00:27:51,844 --> 00:27:55,151
and I used to read
"Melody Maker" and the "NME,"
625
00:27:55,325 --> 00:27:56,892
and there was a picture
of The Runaways,
626
00:27:57,066 --> 00:27:59,895
and Joan just popped
out of the picture.
627
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,159
I said,
"I think this girl's got it."
628
00:28:03,464 --> 00:28:05,988
Kenny: And we went and stayed
at the Riot House,
629
00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:07,990
the Hyatt House on Sunset,
630
00:28:08,338 --> 00:28:10,210
and Joan walked in the room
with Toby,
631
00:28:10,776 --> 00:28:13,822
and I saw this girl
with a black leather jacket,
632
00:28:13,996 --> 00:28:15,694
and she was a little beat up
by then.
633
00:28:15,911 --> 00:28:17,304
She was drinking.
634
00:28:17,521 --> 00:28:18,958
She was hanging
out with Sid Vicious
635
00:28:19,132 --> 00:28:22,178
and Stiv Bators,
Sid's girlfriend Nancy,
636
00:28:22,352 --> 00:28:24,572
and a bunch of people
who all ended up dead.
637
00:28:24,746 --> 00:28:26,356
She had a sad look in her eye.
638
00:28:26,530 --> 00:28:28,837
Meryl Laguna: She was
this lost waif,
639
00:28:29,011 --> 00:28:32,623
and your heart
just went out for her
640
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:37,977
'cause you could see she was
so upset and destroyed by it.
641
00:28:38,629 --> 00:28:41,328
You know,
I was pretty much a mess.
642
00:28:41,589 --> 00:28:42,938
Hi, guys.
643
00:28:43,417 --> 00:28:45,854
But he saw something.
644
00:28:46,028 --> 00:28:47,813
I don't know
what it was, you know?
645
00:28:48,074 --> 00:28:50,380
He bought me a pair
of pants first, though.
646
00:28:51,686 --> 00:28:53,253
Because
he couldn't write songs
647
00:28:53,427 --> 00:28:56,256
with a person with ripped jeans or something.
648
00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:58,693
Kenny: We head into the studio,
and I said,
649
00:28:58,911 --> 00:29:00,956
"We'll cut the tracks
with the session guys,
650
00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:02,610
and then we'll put
your guitar on.
651
00:29:02,784 --> 00:29:04,090
It's no big deal."
652
00:29:04,307 --> 00:29:06,092
She goes,
"Then it won't be a record,"
653
00:29:06,483 --> 00:29:08,311
and she wasn't kidding,
but I dug it.
654
00:29:08,485 --> 00:29:10,052
Joan: [singing]
One, two, three, four!
655
00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:11,750
Joan: [interview]
So we fulfilled the contract.
656
00:29:11,924 --> 00:29:14,796
It wound up being on
some weirdo porn movie,
657
00:29:15,405 --> 00:29:17,190
which was not
what we signed up for.
658
00:29:17,364 --> 00:29:21,672
Man: Joanie Jett, she's got the greatest voice I've ever seen!
659
00:29:21,847 --> 00:29:24,327
Now, I went out to California
to meet Joan
660
00:29:24,501 --> 00:29:26,808
with a fella named
Ritchie Cordell.
661
00:29:27,026 --> 00:29:28,505
I said, "You know, Ritchie,
662
00:29:28,679 --> 00:29:30,159
I think we can we have hits
with her.
663
00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,292
I think we should make her
a partner."
664
00:29:32,509 --> 00:29:33,946
"What, do you wanna fuck her?"
665
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,338
Kenny: "We're gonna steal
her money."
666
00:29:35,643 --> 00:29:37,688
[laughs]
I'll never forget it.
667
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:40,735
♪ I want you like I never
wanted anythin' else... ♪
668
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:44,043
Kenny: But I knew that this girl
should be a partner.
669
00:29:44,217 --> 00:29:45,740
She was that unique.
670
00:29:45,914 --> 00:29:47,437
Joan: Things were definitely
looking up.
671
00:29:47,611 --> 00:29:49,309
I felt good, I felt, "Okay,
672
00:29:49,483 --> 00:29:51,920
I've got someone to talk to,
to write music with.
673
00:29:52,094 --> 00:29:53,487
Let's see where this goes."
674
00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:55,315
♪ Yeah! ♪
675
00:29:55,489 --> 00:29:56,795
Kenny: And then I took her
to England.
676
00:29:56,969 --> 00:29:59,232
I had a flat
on the Kings Road,
677
00:29:59,449 --> 00:30:01,974
and every day,
we'd go to Ramport,
678
00:30:02,496 --> 00:30:05,325
The Who's studio, and
record the Joan Jett record.
679
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,283
Bill Curbishley: I was
introduced to Kenny
680
00:30:07,544 --> 00:30:09,285
by a guy called Peter Meaden,
681
00:30:09,633 --> 00:30:11,592
a real character,
and in so doing,
682
00:30:11,766 --> 00:30:14,421
he also came to me with
an artist called Steve Gibbons,
683
00:30:15,074 --> 00:30:19,121
and Kenny produced the album.
for Steve Gibbons,
684
00:30:19,295 --> 00:30:20,253
a fantastic album.
685
00:30:20,688 --> 00:30:22,168
♪ Go ahead on, Tulane ♪
686
00:30:22,472 --> 00:30:24,126
♪ He can't catch up
With you ♪
687
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,825
♪ Go, Tulane, he ain't
Man enough for you ♪
688
00:30:26,999 --> 00:30:29,871
♪ Go, Tulane,
Use all the speed... ♪
689
00:30:30,089 --> 00:30:32,961
But the thing he's got
extra is he's got great ears.
690
00:30:33,135 --> 00:30:35,529
He can produce.
He knows what he wants.
691
00:30:35,703 --> 00:30:37,052
[plays piano chord]
692
00:30:37,226 --> 00:30:38,662
Kenny: I was born
in the Village,
693
00:30:38,967 --> 00:30:43,493
and my parents were-- predated hippies and beatniks.
694
00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:44,930
They were Bohemian.
695
00:30:46,235 --> 00:30:49,891
They started me on piano
lessons five years old.
696
00:30:50,152 --> 00:30:52,372
I learned Mozart and Bach,
697
00:30:52,546 --> 00:30:55,897
and then
I saw"Jailhouse Rock,"
698
00:30:56,332 --> 00:30:59,074
and he was doing art,
and he still had a Cadillac,
699
00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:00,902
and that was all
I needed to know.
700
00:31:01,207 --> 00:31:02,861
When I was about 16,
701
00:31:03,035 --> 00:31:07,039
I moseyed into New York City
and started hustling.
702
00:31:07,213 --> 00:31:10,259
They gave me a songwriting job at Kama Sutra Records,
703
00:31:10,433 --> 00:31:13,306
and their specialty
was bubblegum music.
704
00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:14,916
♪ Sugar ♪
705
00:31:16,091 --> 00:31:17,788
♪ Oh, honey, honey ♪
706
00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:19,616
Kenny: ...which was coined
by Neil Bogart,
707
00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:20,922
the great record exec.
708
00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:23,098
♪ You are my candy girl... ♪
709
00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:25,666
Don: Kenny Laguna did
some great stuff pre-Joan.
710
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,276
I don't know where we would've been without that guy.
711
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:29,104
He was a bubblegum hero.
712
00:31:29,322 --> 00:31:31,019
Adam Horovitz: Our generation,
when we were kids,
713
00:31:31,193 --> 00:31:32,716
that's what the music was.
714
00:31:32,978 --> 00:31:34,762
No guilty pleasure.
715
00:31:34,936 --> 00:31:38,331
It's just like, "Look, we're
making this music to make money.
716
00:31:38,505 --> 00:31:40,028
Kathleen Hanna: "We're gonna
sell it to kids.
717
00:31:40,202 --> 00:31:41,943
"We're gonna turn it into,
like, you know,
718
00:31:42,161 --> 00:31:45,860
records that are on literally
the back of the cereal box."
719
00:31:46,165 --> 00:31:47,862
All the songs were,
like, about, like,
720
00:31:48,036 --> 00:31:51,692
naughty sexual things
that they sort of acted
721
00:31:51,866 --> 00:31:54,608
like they were about candy
and bubblegum.
722
00:31:56,175 --> 00:31:58,873
♪ Yummy, yummy, yummy
I got love in my tummy ♪
723
00:31:59,047 --> 00:32:01,484
♪ And I feel like
a-lovin' you ♪
724
00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:04,574
♪ Love, you're such
a sweet thing... ♪
725
00:32:04,879 --> 00:32:07,621
One of our little sayings
was "Don't bore us.
726
00:32:07,795 --> 00:32:09,144
Get right to the chorus."
727
00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:12,147
But something weird happened.
728
00:32:12,321 --> 00:32:13,844
When the punks
got on the scene,
729
00:32:14,019 --> 00:32:15,934
they didn't like
Crosby, Stills, and Nash.
730
00:32:16,151 --> 00:32:17,457
They hated Neil Young.
731
00:32:17,631 --> 00:32:20,112
They thought those bands
were pretentious.
732
00:32:20,416 --> 00:32:22,244
Ian Mackaye: I am a hook guy.
Kenny and I share that.
733
00:32:22,418 --> 00:32:23,637
I like a hook.
734
00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,595
Problem with bubblegum
is that sometimes,
735
00:32:25,769 --> 00:32:27,815
it's was so saccharine, for me,
it was almost unlistenable.
736
00:32:27,989 --> 00:32:30,252
Don: There was a lot of shared DNA between bubblegum and punk.
737
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:34,039
Bubblegum was short,
to-the-point little songs
738
00:32:34,213 --> 00:32:36,128
with hooks
and an ass-kicking beat.
739
00:32:36,302 --> 00:32:37,738
Kenny: And that was punk.
740
00:32:38,695 --> 00:32:40,045
♪ They're going
Through a tight wind ♪
741
00:32:41,524 --> 00:32:43,004
♪ The kids are losing
Their minds ♪
742
00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:44,527
♪ The blitzkrieg bop ♪
743
00:32:44,701 --> 00:32:46,660
Kenny: I was making 100 grand
when I was 17.
744
00:32:46,877 --> 00:32:48,053
I remember my father said,
745
00:32:48,227 --> 00:32:49,576
"You should try to save
some money."
746
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:51,143
I said, "I can have a hit
anytime I want."
747
00:32:51,317 --> 00:32:53,536
By the time I was 19,
bubblegum died,
748
00:32:53,884 --> 00:32:56,148
but we wanted to be cooler
than bubblegum.
749
00:32:56,452 --> 00:32:59,934
[disjointed
instrumental music playing]
750
00:33:00,108 --> 00:33:03,503
Kenny: I did a soundtrack album
for Andy Warhol,
751
00:33:04,112 --> 00:33:07,942
Lonesome Cowboys,
and I used orchestration.
752
00:33:08,116 --> 00:33:10,553
I was putting horns on
and then strings
753
00:33:10,727 --> 00:33:12,338
without much of a plot line.
754
00:33:13,078 --> 00:33:15,906
Just very effeminate guys
dressed as cowboys
755
00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:17,517
hanging out together,
756
00:33:17,691 --> 00:33:20,215
and I remember giving
a spiel to Andy Warhol
757
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:22,565
and Paul Morrissey
about the art,
758
00:33:23,088 --> 00:33:26,308
and Morrissey said,
"Don't talk to us about art.
759
00:33:26,482 --> 00:33:28,745
We hired you
because we want money."
760
00:33:28,963 --> 00:33:30,356
It was very shocking to me
761
00:33:31,052 --> 00:33:33,489
because I grew up
with artists
762
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:35,926
who thought it was gauche
to want money.
763
00:33:36,101 --> 00:33:37,406
Pete Townshend: I really
liked Kenny
764
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:38,886
from the first moment
I met him.
765
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:42,629
I don't know why.
I always have.
766
00:33:43,064 --> 00:33:46,024
[strumming chords]
767
00:33:46,198 --> 00:33:51,116
I remember saying to Kenny,
maybe getting a bit bored,
768
00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:52,682
I don't know,
but just saying, you know,
769
00:33:52,856 --> 00:33:54,119
"Go talk to Bill."
770
00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:58,036
- Stop all this shit.
- Oh, Bill! Oh, my God.
771
00:33:58,210 --> 00:34:00,212
- How you doing?
- What's all this shit?
772
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,737
Kenny: What affected me
was their self-belief,
773
00:34:04,085 --> 00:34:06,522
but under the self-belief,
there's a fear,
774
00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:08,176
"Oh, is it ever gonna happen?"
775
00:34:08,350 --> 00:34:10,265
Or, "Are we ever
gonna get a break?"
776
00:34:10,526 --> 00:34:12,920
And for me,
life's about that.
777
00:34:13,181 --> 00:34:15,053
Joan: And Bill said to Kenny,
"You know what?
778
00:34:15,227 --> 00:34:17,620
"Why don't you just go
into our studio, Ramport,
779
00:34:17,881 --> 00:34:20,101
do what you gotta do
and pay us when you can?"
780
00:34:20,971 --> 00:34:22,321
Now I'm in business.
781
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:27,456
And that was the start
of their relationship and ours.
782
00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:29,415
I'll tell you all
about this girl.
783
00:34:29,632 --> 00:34:32,896
I'll tell you the truth
about this girl. Mwah!
784
00:34:33,201 --> 00:34:35,247
It felt you were kind of
blessed by, you know,
785
00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:37,205
the rock-n'-roll gods,
and then we were like,
786
00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:39,120
"Well, we want to tour
this music.
787
00:34:39,294 --> 00:34:40,382
This is great."
788
00:34:40,556 --> 00:34:43,168
So we needed to form a band.
789
00:34:43,385 --> 00:34:46,606
And went back to LA,
put an ad inThe LA Weekly
790
00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:48,086
or something and said,
791
00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:51,001
"Joan Jett looking
for three good men."
792
00:34:51,176 --> 00:34:54,614
♪ ["Love Is Pain" by Joan Jett
and the Blackhearts plays] ♪
793
00:35:00,141 --> 00:35:02,970
I remember very clearly
going to the audition.
794
00:35:03,231 --> 00:35:04,841
I knew all The Runaways songs
795
00:35:05,015 --> 00:35:07,496
because as a 13-year-old kid,
14-year-old kid,
796
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:09,890
I'd been at home
playing along with the records.
797
00:35:10,151 --> 00:35:12,936
♪ Hey, you must obey ♪
798
00:35:13,198 --> 00:35:16,288
♪ Or you will bleed, you know
I need to get my way... ♪
799
00:35:16,462 --> 00:35:19,029
And Joan knew me from
the punk scene.
800
00:35:19,204 --> 00:35:21,249
Joan: I kind of knew in my gut
801
00:35:21,423 --> 00:35:24,687
that there's no way I could play with girls again,
802
00:35:25,035 --> 00:35:26,689
certainly not right away
803
00:35:26,863 --> 00:35:28,256
because it would only
be compared to The Runaways,
804
00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:30,258
and that was not good
on any level.
805
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,347
Eric Ambel: We got
the Whisky A Go Go,
806
00:35:33,087 --> 00:35:34,958
and we picked the worst night
of the week,
807
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,438
which was Tuesday,
808
00:35:37,047 --> 00:35:39,224
and we played there every week for a month,
809
00:35:39,441 --> 00:35:42,096
and by the time
we were done with that,
810
00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:44,272
we were on the map there
in LA.
811
00:35:44,446 --> 00:35:47,362
All of a sudden, there's--
there's a lot of chicks here.
812
00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:50,322
I'm kind of getting into it,
and by the last gig,
813
00:35:50,496 --> 00:35:52,454
I was like, "Well,
wait a minute, they're--
814
00:35:52,628 --> 00:35:54,108
they're looking at her."
815
00:35:54,326 --> 00:35:55,762
Kathleen: You've got
this weird punk rocker
816
00:35:55,979 --> 00:35:59,679
who has an extraterrestrial
good voice,
817
00:36:00,332 --> 00:36:03,813
and then you have someone
who's worked in the business
818
00:36:04,074 --> 00:36:05,293
of making bubblegum music.
819
00:36:05,815 --> 00:36:09,297
♪ I was caught
So unaware ♪
820
00:36:09,471 --> 00:36:11,952
♪ When you made other plans ♪
821
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,694
Kenny: She brought menace,
822
00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:16,870
and I brought a lot
of pop sensibility.
823
00:36:17,131 --> 00:36:19,394
♪ More than you
Could stand ♪
824
00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:22,745
♪ You don't know
What you've got ♪
825
00:36:23,703 --> 00:36:26,358
♪ You don't know
What you've got ♪
826
00:36:27,272 --> 00:36:30,405
♪ You don't know what
You've got till it's gone ♪
827
00:36:30,666 --> 00:36:32,451
You mix that together,
828
00:36:32,668 --> 00:36:35,149
and you've got, like,
a Molotov cocktail
829
00:36:35,323 --> 00:36:38,935
that's gonna, like,
totally do some... damage.
830
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,416
Joan: First one we wrote was
831
00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:43,592
"You Don't Know What
You've Got Till It's Gone."
832
00:36:43,766 --> 00:36:47,117
To me, you know,
Kenny was taking my life.
833
00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:49,468
You know,
I guess being a therapist.
834
00:36:49,816 --> 00:36:51,252
Kenny: And the more
we knew each other,
835
00:36:51,426 --> 00:36:52,775
the more she trusted me.
836
00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:55,082
♪ You don't know
What you've got ♪
837
00:36:55,256 --> 00:36:59,521
♪ You don't know what
You've got till it's gone ♪
838
00:36:59,782 --> 00:37:03,525
Joan sort of needs
to experience heartache
839
00:37:03,743 --> 00:37:05,223
to write about it.
840
00:37:05,397 --> 00:37:07,921
♪ I gave you love
So true ♪
841
00:37:08,269 --> 00:37:09,792
♪ But you ran away ♪
842
00:37:10,053 --> 00:37:12,534
♪ So you just don't know
Whatcha blew ♪
843
00:37:13,753 --> 00:37:15,320
♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
844
00:37:15,581 --> 00:37:17,800
Joan: Kenny actually was looking for record deals.
845
00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:19,889
So Kenny would send
the tapes in.
846
00:37:20,281 --> 00:37:23,937
We sent it to all the labels, all the majors, all the minors.
847
00:37:24,154 --> 00:37:25,591
That was 23 labels,
848
00:37:25,765 --> 00:37:28,463
and we got back 23
rejection letters
849
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:33,338
all saying,
"You need a song search.
850
00:37:33,512 --> 00:37:36,993
No songs here. Maybe if she loses the guitar."
851
00:37:37,211 --> 00:37:42,825
These people heard five songs, four of which were top-20 hits.
852
00:37:43,522 --> 00:37:47,134
That can't be a song search.
That's you don't have ears.
853
00:37:47,308 --> 00:37:48,918
Kenny: We asked for no money.
854
00:37:49,179 --> 00:37:50,703
Joan: Just put out the record.
855
00:37:50,877 --> 00:37:53,096
I know it had something
to do with my image,
856
00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:54,837
The Runaways, the girl.
857
00:37:55,142 --> 00:37:57,492
I think Kenny thought it
was going to be a lot easier
858
00:37:57,666 --> 00:37:59,799
than it ultimately
turned out to be.
859
00:38:01,366 --> 00:38:05,979
Kenny: My mom
was an outrageous feminist.
860
00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:07,981
She used to drive the car,
861
00:38:08,242 --> 00:38:11,767
and my father sat where
everybody else's mother sat.
862
00:38:12,028 --> 00:38:14,857
So when I met Joan
and heard about The Runaways,
863
00:38:15,205 --> 00:38:17,991
I never really thought
it was, like, weird
864
00:38:18,557 --> 00:38:20,820
or groundbreaking
until I tried to promote her,
865
00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:26,391
and I ran into these...
walls, these brick walls.
866
00:38:26,695 --> 00:38:28,741
An interviewer
who once said to her,
867
00:38:29,437 --> 00:38:30,873
"When you're playing on stage,
868
00:38:31,047 --> 00:38:32,875
do you feel like a man
or a woman?"
869
00:38:33,136 --> 00:38:34,660
And I was like, what?
870
00:38:35,051 --> 00:38:37,315
Interviewer: Could you ever see
yourself getting married?
871
00:38:37,489 --> 00:38:39,404
No, you know,
I don't like to knock
872
00:38:39,578 --> 00:38:41,231
the American dream
or anything--
873
00:38:41,406 --> 00:38:42,668
Do you ever
want to have children?
874
00:38:43,451 --> 00:38:45,975
No. [laughs]
875
00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:49,327
If you really want
to be a musician, now,
876
00:38:49,501 --> 00:38:51,459
that's where you gotta really
do some soul-searching
877
00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:53,592
and decide, do I want
to be a musician,
878
00:38:53,766 --> 00:38:55,376
or do I want to be
a flash in the pan
879
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:57,552
and ride in limos for a week?
880
00:38:57,726 --> 00:38:59,902
You gotta decide what you want
to do with your life.
881
00:39:00,163 --> 00:39:03,036
♪ Are you in the mood
For a lot of singing? ♪
882
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:06,344
[crowd cheers]
883
00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:10,086
♪ Are you in the mood
For a lot of singing? ♪
884
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:11,610
[crowd cheers]
885
00:39:12,306 --> 00:39:14,003
Eric: Kenny Laguna came over,
886
00:39:14,177 --> 00:39:16,397
and he literally
pulled out the map.
887
00:39:16,615 --> 00:39:20,619
He's like, "Look, here's Boston,
New York, Washington, DC.
888
00:39:20,793 --> 00:39:22,447
Look at all these towns."
889
00:39:22,621 --> 00:39:24,753
Joan: In LA, there's
a limited amount of cities
890
00:39:24,927 --> 00:39:26,755
you can hit when you're
a poor band
891
00:39:26,929 --> 00:39:29,236
and you're struggling,
making every penny count.
892
00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:30,890
Eric: He just convinced us
on the spot
893
00:39:31,107 --> 00:39:32,587
that we would move
to New York.
894
00:39:33,022 --> 00:39:35,373
[drumbeat playing]
895
00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:37,418
♪ Yeah... ♪
896
00:39:37,592 --> 00:39:38,637
Kenny: It was a circuit.
897
00:39:38,811 --> 00:39:40,378
There was The Rat in Boston,
898
00:39:40,552 --> 00:39:42,597
The Malibu
and My Father's Place,
899
00:39:42,771 --> 00:39:45,034
Privates and The Ritz
in New York,
900
00:39:45,208 --> 00:39:46,906
The Left Bank in Westchester,
901
00:39:47,254 --> 00:39:49,256
these places
that were incubators
902
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:51,954
for rock bands,
and they'd give you $500.
903
00:39:52,128 --> 00:39:53,565
Didn't cover much.
904
00:39:53,739 --> 00:39:55,349
Joan: But you had
a lot more opportunity
905
00:39:55,523 --> 00:39:57,090
to play and survive.
906
00:39:58,526 --> 00:40:00,310
♪ Yeah, oh, yeah... ♪
907
00:40:00,572 --> 00:40:02,922
Kenny: We got a minor deal
in Europe.
908
00:40:03,488 --> 00:40:05,490
That was the beginning,
909
00:40:05,664 --> 00:40:08,318
but we couldn't get
anything going in America.
910
00:40:09,885 --> 00:40:11,365
And all of a sudden,
we find out
911
00:40:11,539 --> 00:40:13,498
that we are
the number-one import.
912
00:40:13,672 --> 00:40:15,587
The record's on the radio,
913
00:40:15,761 --> 00:40:17,545
and nobody wants
to be our label.
914
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,592
I'm seeing something going on
that I can't put my finger on,
915
00:40:20,766 --> 00:40:22,420
but I know we're tapping
into something.
916
00:40:22,594 --> 00:40:25,727
So it gave me the courage
to empty our bank account.
917
00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:28,077
My daughter was just born. She's only a couple months old.
918
00:40:28,251 --> 00:40:29,862
And we started a college fund,
919
00:40:30,036 --> 00:40:31,472
so there was like $3,000
or $4,000 in there.
920
00:40:32,299 --> 00:40:35,171
I mean, it was like
I jumped off the diving board,
921
00:40:35,345 --> 00:40:37,173
and I was hoping somebody
was gonna put water in the pool.
922
00:40:37,347 --> 00:40:38,697
Joan: But we discussed
about, you know,
923
00:40:38,871 --> 00:40:40,438
"Let's print up
these records.
924
00:40:40,612 --> 00:40:42,527
We'll make our own records--
nobody's gonna sign us.
925
00:40:42,701 --> 00:40:44,659
We'll take music
we believe in so much
926
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,269
and just do it."
927
00:40:46,574 --> 00:40:50,360
[rock music playing]
928
00:40:50,535 --> 00:40:52,972
Joan: Our first office
was, more or less,
929
00:40:53,189 --> 00:40:55,801
Kenny's big,
huge Cadillac.
930
00:40:55,975 --> 00:40:59,761
Kenny: And so we had this big
old 1976 Sedan de Ville
931
00:41:00,022 --> 00:41:01,807
We used to always have
records in the trunk.
932
00:41:02,155 --> 00:41:04,679
♪ Temperature
Is running high ♪
933
00:41:04,853 --> 00:41:06,855
Joan: You know, we'd hang out, and there'd be a little crowd
934
00:41:07,029 --> 00:41:09,249
of 30 or 40 people,
and we'd sign autographs
935
00:41:09,423 --> 00:41:10,772
and then if anybody
wanted the record,
936
00:41:10,946 --> 00:41:12,339
we had the trunk
full of albums.
937
00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:14,167
Kenny: And it wasn't done.
938
00:41:14,341 --> 00:41:16,343
In those days, you did not
sell records at gigs.
939
00:41:16,517 --> 00:41:18,258
Joan: It wasn't part
of the landscape yet.
940
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,087
♪ Yeah, yeah,
Do you wanna touch? ♪
941
00:41:21,348 --> 00:41:23,002
♪ Yeah!
Do you wanna touch? ♪
942
00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:26,527
♪ Yeah! Do you wanna
Touch me there, where ♪
943
00:41:26,701 --> 00:41:28,050
♪ Do you wanna... ♪
944
00:41:28,398 --> 00:41:29,835
And that was the beginning
of Blackheart Records.
945
00:41:30,139 --> 00:41:31,576
We're not getting
any traction?
946
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:33,316
Like, fuck it,
we'll put out our own records.
947
00:41:33,752 --> 00:41:35,841
I don't know if that came out
of a punk aesthetic.
948
00:41:36,189 --> 00:41:38,017
Maybe it did,
or maybe it was just
949
00:41:38,191 --> 00:41:40,062
that they were just punks
before they knew it.
950
00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:43,152
Billie Joe: Oh, you mean
I don't need to have someone
951
00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:45,024
trying to discover me?
952
00:41:45,328 --> 00:41:47,287
I can actually
just do this myself?
953
00:41:47,548 --> 00:41:50,203
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
954
00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:52,727
Kenny: In the beginning,
the first gig we did
955
00:41:53,467 --> 00:41:55,556
was at The Malibu
in Long Island.
956
00:41:56,165 --> 00:41:57,776
Fifty-four people came.
957
00:41:58,254 --> 00:42:01,519
Twenty-five of them were my guest list for my neighbors.
958
00:42:01,693 --> 00:42:03,390
Eric: The next time
we played there,
959
00:42:03,564 --> 00:42:06,219
they had to shut down
the Southern State Parkway.
960
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,483
♪ My, my, my,
Whiskey and rye ♪
961
00:42:09,657 --> 00:42:12,660
♪ Don't it make you feel
So fine? ♪
962
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,751
♪ Right or wrong,
Don't it turn you on? ♪
963
00:42:16,925 --> 00:42:20,450
♪ Can't you see
We're wastin' time, yeah? ♪
964
00:42:20,625 --> 00:42:21,930
♪ Do you wanna touch? ♪
965
00:42:22,104 --> 00:42:23,715
♪ Yeah!
Do you wanna touch? ♪
966
00:42:24,019 --> 00:42:27,893
♪ Yeah! Do you wanna
Touch me there, where ♪
967
00:42:28,241 --> 00:42:30,112
♪ Do you wanna touch?
Yeah! ♪
968
00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:33,638
Billie Joe: The way that Joan
and Kenny have done things,
969
00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:36,684
it inspired people
to make their own labels
970
00:42:36,902 --> 00:42:39,469
because people figured out
that they don't need
971
00:42:39,644 --> 00:42:41,733
a bunch of guys
in suits and cigars
972
00:42:41,907 --> 00:42:43,473
and cash to start a label.
973
00:42:43,648 --> 00:42:45,432
♪ No, no, no! ♪
974
00:42:45,606 --> 00:42:47,129
Crowd: ♪ Yeah ♪
975
00:42:47,303 --> 00:42:48,522
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
976
00:42:48,696 --> 00:42:50,655
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
977
00:42:50,829 --> 00:42:52,657
♪ Do ya, do ya? ♪
978
00:42:52,831 --> 00:42:56,356
Meryl: And I think it was
in a bar in upstate New York,
979
00:42:56,530 --> 00:42:58,619
and a big tour manager--
980
00:42:59,141 --> 00:43:00,926
I'll never forget him
saying this
981
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,842
because at this club, the line was around the block,
982
00:43:04,103 --> 00:43:06,496
and when we got in,
he said to me,
983
00:43:06,671 --> 00:43:08,455
"Remember these days.
984
00:43:08,716 --> 00:43:11,023
This is the best time
you're ever gonna have,
985
00:43:11,545 --> 00:43:14,156
and never take it for granted," and I never have.
986
00:43:14,766 --> 00:43:16,724
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Fuck you ♪
987
00:43:16,898 --> 00:43:18,683
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Fuck me ♪
988
00:43:18,857 --> 00:43:21,860
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Fuck everybody ♪
989
00:43:22,034 --> 00:43:23,557
♪ Yeah ♪
990
00:43:23,731 --> 00:43:25,428
Interviewer: Is that something
that gnaws at you,
991
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:26,952
the fact that they'll take you
seriously fronting a male band,
992
00:43:27,126 --> 00:43:28,301
but they wouldn't
take you seriously
993
00:43:28,475 --> 00:43:29,998
being an all-girl band?
994
00:43:30,172 --> 00:43:33,349
Joan: I think audiences
are forced to listen more,
995
00:43:33,523 --> 00:43:35,787
and they're more accepting
than maybe the business.
996
00:43:35,961 --> 00:43:37,484
Like, I think
the record companies
997
00:43:37,658 --> 00:43:39,268
haven't come far at all.
998
00:43:39,486 --> 00:43:41,923
Until women get into
the position of A&R men.
999
00:43:42,141 --> 00:43:44,534
Mike Ness: Oh, I'm sure she
had to go through a lot of,
1000
00:43:44,709 --> 00:43:47,581
you know,
"I can play guitars
1001
00:43:47,755 --> 00:43:50,192
just as good as you can,
motherfucker," you know?
1002
00:43:50,715 --> 00:43:52,891
"Just 'cause I'm a girl,
don't think I can't play."
1003
00:43:53,108 --> 00:43:55,763
Thom Panunzio: I know very few men that can play like her.
1004
00:43:55,937 --> 00:43:58,723
You know, she's ferocious
when she plays that guitar.
1005
00:43:58,897 --> 00:44:01,508
Out of nowhere,
an old friend of mine,
1006
00:44:01,682 --> 00:44:05,555
the head of Buddha,
Neil Bogart, decided to help us.
1007
00:44:05,904 --> 00:44:08,341
Joan: Neil ran
Casablanca Records,
1008
00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:10,125
which had KISS,
1009
00:44:10,299 --> 00:44:12,562
but they were a disco label,
basically.
1010
00:44:12,911 --> 00:44:16,349
♪ I love to love you,
Baby ♪
1011
00:44:16,523 --> 00:44:20,483
I mean, this guy knew senators
and presidents and made movies.
1012
00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:23,399
Joan: He was really
into what we were doing,
1013
00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:24,923
and that was so different.
1014
00:44:25,097 --> 00:44:26,576
I liked it
'cause it felt like
1015
00:44:26,751 --> 00:44:29,144
he was shoving it up
people's ass.
1016
00:44:29,754 --> 00:44:31,973
Kenny: He helped me put out
the Joan Jett record,
1017
00:44:32,191 --> 00:44:35,107
which he renamed
Bad Reputation.
1018
00:44:35,281 --> 00:44:38,763
He never checked with us.
It completely pissed us off.
1019
00:44:38,937 --> 00:44:40,547
He said,
"You're a cult marketer.
1020
00:44:40,721 --> 00:44:44,769
I'm a mass marketer.
I have two Rolls-Royces.
1021
00:44:45,247 --> 00:44:47,772
That makes me a lot smarter
than you, Kenny."
1022
00:44:47,946 --> 00:44:50,165
We were selling so many more records than we knew about
1023
00:44:50,339 --> 00:44:51,732
because the factory
was printing them up
1024
00:44:51,906 --> 00:44:53,299
and selling them
out the back door.
1025
00:44:53,473 --> 00:44:54,866
You gotta be very careful
how you handle it
1026
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,955
because the guys
doing that are...
1027
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,567
thugs. [chuckles]
1028
00:45:00,872 --> 00:45:03,788
So you don't sue them.
Neil knew how to handle that.
1029
00:45:03,962 --> 00:45:05,267
We went, and we took
our own money,
1030
00:45:05,441 --> 00:45:07,139
and we made
"I Love Rock 'n' Roll."
1031
00:45:07,313 --> 00:45:10,969
And people just didn't do that. Today, it's common.
1032
00:45:11,447 --> 00:45:13,754
I had seen this song
that was a B-side
1033
00:45:13,928 --> 00:45:15,887
of another song,
I saw it on TV.
1034
00:45:16,061 --> 00:45:17,410
It was called
"I Love Rock 'n' Roll."
1035
00:45:17,584 --> 00:45:19,064
I'm like, that's a hit.
1036
00:45:19,368 --> 00:45:20,848
The Runaways
didn't want to do it,
1037
00:45:21,022 --> 00:45:23,503
and so I did a version
with the Sex Pistols
1038
00:45:23,677 --> 00:45:25,374
and Steve Jones
and Paul Cook.
1039
00:45:26,201 --> 00:45:29,814
♪ ["I Love Rock 'n' Roll"
plays] ♪
1040
00:45:30,902 --> 00:45:32,381
Kenny: I thought their version
1041
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,602
was a little unsophisticated,
a little sophomoric.
1042
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:37,386
I thought we could make
a better record.
1043
00:45:37,691 --> 00:45:40,041
Joan: So once I was with Kenny
1044
00:45:40,215 --> 00:45:41,826
and we formed
The Blackhearts,
1045
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,002
it was something
that I wanted to try,
1046
00:45:44,263 --> 00:45:46,787
and the rest is history.
1047
00:45:51,444 --> 00:45:54,752
["I Love Rock 'n' Roll" plays]
1048
00:46:06,894 --> 00:46:10,376
♪ I saw him dancin' there
By the record machine ♪
1049
00:46:11,594 --> 00:46:15,207
♪♪ I knew he musta been
About 17 ♪♪
1050
00:46:16,861 --> 00:46:18,906
♪ The beat
Was goin' strong ♪
1051
00:46:19,211 --> 00:46:22,649
♪ Playin' my favorite song ♪
1052
00:46:22,823 --> 00:46:24,869
♪ An' I could tell
It wouldn't be long ♪
1053
00:46:25,043 --> 00:46:27,785
♪ Till he was with me,
Yeah, me ♪
1054
00:46:27,959 --> 00:46:29,874
♪ An' I could tell
It wouldn't be long ♪
1055
00:46:30,048 --> 00:46:32,877
♪ Till he was with me,
Yeah, me ♪
1056
00:46:33,051 --> 00:46:35,662
♪ Singin'
I love rock 'n' roll ♪
1057
00:46:35,836 --> 00:46:38,012
♪ So put another dime
In the jukebox, baby ♪
1058
00:46:38,273 --> 00:46:40,667
♪ I love rock 'n' roll ♪
1059
00:46:40,928 --> 00:46:44,627
♪ So come and take your time
And dance with me ♪
1060
00:46:44,889 --> 00:46:45,846
Ow!
1061
00:46:46,934 --> 00:46:50,285
Gary: MTV started around the same time we were starting.
1062
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,897
Kenny: I was brought up
to believe television
1063
00:46:53,071 --> 00:46:54,333
is the enemy of rock 'n' roll.
1064
00:46:54,899 --> 00:46:56,378
♪ It's all the same ♪
1065
00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:58,337
Kenny: Les Garland
started harassing me.
1066
00:46:58,859 --> 00:47:01,949
He was one of the heads of MTV, and he just begged me,
1067
00:47:02,123 --> 00:47:03,777
and I said, "Okay,
but you're only allowed
1068
00:47:03,951 --> 00:47:05,692
to play it two times a day."
1069
00:47:05,953 --> 00:47:08,738
He was playing it 16 times
a day and freaking me out.
1070
00:47:08,913 --> 00:47:10,218
There was very little
I could do about it.
1071
00:47:10,392 --> 00:47:12,090
It was number one
for eight weeks.
1072
00:47:12,351 --> 00:47:14,701
♪ He was with me,
Yeah, me, singin'... ♪
1073
00:47:14,875 --> 00:47:17,182
Kenny: But I felt
that in retrospect,
1074
00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:21,055
the second four weeks
it was probably number one
1075
00:47:21,316 --> 00:47:24,102
because all of a sudden,
the image went on.
1076
00:47:24,537 --> 00:47:26,147
I mean, I love rock 'n' roll.
1077
00:47:26,321 --> 00:47:28,846
Fuck, of course I love
rock 'n'-- I'm in.
1078
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:32,806
I kind of wanted to be,
like, you know,
1079
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:34,547
the guy version of that.
1080
00:47:34,895 --> 00:47:37,593
It was kind of, "Aha,
I told you so," in a way,
1081
00:47:37,767 --> 00:47:40,683
but, look, it's real.
1082
00:47:40,901 --> 00:47:42,990
We're good.
It wasn't, "I'm good."
1083
00:47:43,164 --> 00:47:45,340
It's, "We're good."
It's a team.
1084
00:47:45,514 --> 00:47:47,168
It's an effort,
a team effort,
1085
00:47:47,473 --> 00:47:49,344
and we were all out there
to make this music.
1086
00:47:49,605 --> 00:47:52,391
["Victim of Circumstance" plays,
crowd cheers]
1087
00:47:52,782 --> 00:47:55,742
Elliot Saltzman: Things rapidly changed immediately after that.
1088
00:47:55,916 --> 00:47:58,745
♪ The police were waiting
When the sun came up ♪
1089
00:47:58,919 --> 00:48:01,791
♪ Better move your ass
Or we'll really get rough ♪
1090
00:48:01,966 --> 00:48:05,970
Touring the United States,
Canada, Japan, and Australia...
1091
00:48:06,144 --> 00:48:08,842
- Joan Jett!
- Joan Jett and The Blackhearts.
1092
00:48:09,016 --> 00:48:10,844
Elliot: We just traveled
the world.
1093
00:48:11,018 --> 00:48:12,802
[man speaks Spanish]
1094
00:48:12,977 --> 00:48:14,717
Kenny: We went down to Panama.
1095
00:48:14,935 --> 00:48:16,545
It's like if there's trouble,
we go.
1096
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,417
So we get there,
and we get a message.
1097
00:48:19,374 --> 00:48:21,637
Noriega wants Joan,
1098
00:48:21,855 --> 00:48:24,858
and he sends his plane
to pick up Joan.
1099
00:48:25,163 --> 00:48:26,251
You couldn't really
tell him no.
1100
00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:27,774
We tried to weasel out.
1101
00:48:27,948 --> 00:48:30,298
Luckily for us,
less lucky for him,
1102
00:48:30,603 --> 00:48:32,387
there was some bad incident
that happened
1103
00:48:32,561 --> 00:48:35,260
that saved our asses
because he was serious.
1104
00:48:35,477 --> 00:48:37,305
He wanted to meet Joan Jett.
1105
00:48:37,566 --> 00:48:39,829
♪ You know I never meant
To cause anybody harm, no ♪
1106
00:48:40,004 --> 00:48:41,875
♪ Just a victim
Of circumstance ♪
1107
00:48:42,049 --> 00:48:44,051
- ♪ Didn't you know? ♪
- ♪ Just a victim... ♪
1108
00:48:44,225 --> 00:48:45,879
Kenny: David Bowie
and Freddie Mercury
1109
00:48:46,053 --> 00:48:48,012
came up on stage
to watch Joan.
1110
00:48:48,186 --> 00:48:51,580
Joan: We're talking like
80,000 seats or something
1111
00:48:51,754 --> 00:48:52,886
in Leeds, England.
1112
00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:54,714
A few years earlier,
1113
00:48:54,888 --> 00:48:56,846
I was listening to him
on the radio, you know,
1114
00:48:57,021 --> 00:48:58,805
and all of a sudden,
you're on stage with him.
1115
00:48:58,979 --> 00:49:01,982
[rock guitar solo plays]
1116
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,898
Elliot: The fame and everything
didn't affect her
1117
00:49:05,072 --> 00:49:06,682
like I thought it would.
1118
00:49:06,856 --> 00:49:08,293
She didn't care about
the press conferences
1119
00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:10,034
and the parties
and this and that.
1120
00:49:10,208 --> 00:49:13,124
To her, playing was what
it was all about.
1121
00:49:13,385 --> 00:49:15,735
♪ I've been shut out ♪
1122
00:49:17,084 --> 00:49:20,044
♪ Let there be no doubt ♪
1123
00:49:20,218 --> 00:49:23,264
♪ I've never been afraid
Of chances I been takin' ♪
1124
00:49:23,438 --> 00:49:25,832
Joan: It was like you were
always one foot in the gutter
1125
00:49:26,006 --> 00:49:30,837
and one foot in...
possible stardom.
1126
00:49:31,011 --> 00:49:32,534
I can't even figure out
how to say it.
1127
00:49:32,708 --> 00:49:35,320
♪ I ain't that tough, no ♪
1128
00:49:35,798 --> 00:49:37,278
♪ Just a victim
Of circumstance ♪
1129
00:49:37,452 --> 00:49:38,845
♪ Didn't you know? ♪
1130
00:49:39,019 --> 00:49:40,499
♪ Just a victim
Of circumstance ♪
1131
00:49:40,673 --> 00:49:41,979
♪ Doesn't it show? ♪
1132
00:49:42,414 --> 00:49:43,676
♪ I'm just a victim
Of circumstance ♪
1133
00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:45,199
♪ Wherever I go ♪
1134
00:49:45,373 --> 00:49:47,245
♪ Just a victim
Of bad reputation
1135
00:49:47,419 --> 00:49:48,898
♪ I got no chance of shakin' ♪
1136
00:49:49,073 --> 00:49:52,119
Joan: It was surreal,
so surreal.
1137
00:49:52,554 --> 00:49:54,904
It went so far beyond me,
it made me realize
1138
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:59,170
what people can do...
in general
1139
00:49:59,344 --> 00:50:01,389
if the circumstances are right.
1140
00:50:01,563 --> 00:50:04,566
First time I heard Joan,
I was in the car with my dad,
1141
00:50:05,045 --> 00:50:10,137
and it came on the radio,
and it was "Crimson and Clover,"
1142
00:50:10,398 --> 00:50:13,053
and I heard that voice,
and I was just like...
1143
00:50:13,314 --> 00:50:14,272
♪ Ahh ♪
1144
00:50:15,273 --> 00:50:16,839
Kathleen: Who is this person?
1145
00:50:17,753 --> 00:50:20,974
♪ Now I don't hardly
know her ♪
1146
00:50:21,148 --> 00:50:23,672
Kathleen: And then when she
would get to the pronouns.
1147
00:50:24,064 --> 00:50:26,936
♪ But I think
I can love her ♪
1148
00:50:27,111 --> 00:50:30,984
And say "she,"
I got really interested.
1149
00:50:31,158 --> 00:50:33,987
♪ Crimson and clover ♪
1150
00:50:34,161 --> 00:50:35,728
You could sing a song
1151
00:50:35,902 --> 00:50:37,904
about really caring
about another girl?
1152
00:50:38,078 --> 00:50:41,168
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Ba da da da da da ♪
1153
00:50:41,342 --> 00:50:43,170
Kathleen: 'Cause my friendships
were so important to me
1154
00:50:43,344 --> 00:50:47,044
at that age that I was like,
"Somebody gets me."
1155
00:50:47,783 --> 00:50:49,698
It's that sort of,
"Oh, my God,
1156
00:50:50,003 --> 00:50:52,049
she's gonna take me home
and fuck the shit outta me."
1157
00:50:52,223 --> 00:50:54,921
It's scary, and it's not
what people grew up with.
1158
00:50:55,095 --> 00:50:56,966
They're used to being
the dominant one.
1159
00:50:57,184 --> 00:51:00,622
They're not used to girls
using their sexuality
1160
00:51:00,796 --> 00:51:03,147
in a way
that they feel they own it.
1161
00:51:04,017 --> 00:51:07,194
♪ Ba da da da da da ♪
1162
00:51:07,368 --> 00:51:10,067
♪ Over and over ♪
1163
00:51:10,241 --> 00:51:11,546
Miley Cyrus: You can say,
1164
00:51:11,764 --> 00:51:13,461
"Oh, people just want
to play music,
1165
00:51:13,722 --> 00:51:15,333
and they don't want it to become about their sexuality,"
1166
00:51:15,507 --> 00:51:17,335
even if whatever they're wearing
or whatever they're doing.
1167
00:51:17,552 --> 00:51:19,467
But sometimes you do wanna
fucking be sexual,
1168
00:51:19,641 --> 00:51:21,556
and I think there's this thing
that women are supposed to act
1169
00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:22,949
like we don't wanna fuck,
too,
1170
00:51:23,123 --> 00:51:24,690
and that we don't
like sex, too,
1171
00:51:24,864 --> 00:51:27,171
that only guys like to fuck, that we don't like to have sex.
1172
00:51:27,388 --> 00:51:29,086
Chris: The music scene
was a total boys club.
1173
00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:32,045
The analogy I always made
was Mick Jagger came out
1174
00:51:32,219 --> 00:51:35,527
in Madison Square Garden
riding a giant inflated cock.
1175
00:51:35,831 --> 00:51:38,225
And if Debbie or Joan
had come out
1176
00:51:38,399 --> 00:51:40,445
riding a giant inflated pussy,
1177
00:51:40,749 --> 00:51:43,187
all the fucking male critics
1178
00:51:43,361 --> 00:51:45,450
would've been running,
screaming for the exits.
1179
00:51:45,711 --> 00:51:49,367
Billie Joe: If Mick Jagger
can transcend his sexuality,
1180
00:51:49,584 --> 00:51:51,804
so does Joan Jett,
you know what I mean?
1181
00:51:52,021 --> 00:51:53,806
Alison Mosshart: It gives you power to prove everyone wrong.
1182
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:55,634
There's a huge energy in that.
1183
00:51:55,808 --> 00:51:58,550
It's so valuable to have
something to fight against.
1184
00:51:58,811 --> 00:52:01,640
♪ Over and over ♪
1185
00:52:01,814 --> 00:52:03,859
♪ Crimson and clover ♪
1186
00:52:04,033 --> 00:52:05,905
Alison: I think the attitude
is a really big one.
1187
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,429
I think that's impossible
to miss, you know?
1188
00:52:08,647 --> 00:52:10,779
I wouldn't know
how to get Joan's sound
1189
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,607
because I'm not technical
in that way.
1190
00:52:12,825 --> 00:52:14,957
but the attitude I picked up on
right away.
1191
00:52:15,393 --> 00:52:17,046
And that's something
that I want in my head
1192
00:52:17,221 --> 00:52:19,788
and my heart when I'm going
out there to do that thing
1193
00:52:19,962 --> 00:52:21,790
that's so scary
in front of all those people.
1194
00:52:21,964 --> 00:52:25,229
♪ ["Crimson and Clover"
continues] ♪
1195
00:52:31,409 --> 00:52:34,063
Well, because rock 'n' roll
is from the waist down
1196
00:52:34,238 --> 00:52:38,024
if you're doing it right.
[laughs]
1197
00:52:38,198 --> 00:52:43,464
[song continues]
1198
00:52:44,422 --> 00:52:46,598
Kenny: Neil died
unfortunately of cancer
1199
00:52:46,772 --> 00:52:50,167
at 39 years old in 1982,
and at his funeral,
1200
00:52:50,341 --> 00:52:51,907
his mother grabbed Joan
and said
1201
00:52:52,081 --> 00:52:53,866
that record
meant more to Neil
1202
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,303
than all the other hundreds
of hits he had had.
1203
00:52:56,477 --> 00:53:00,002
He said, "See?
I can do rock 'n' roll."
1204
00:53:00,220 --> 00:53:03,876
Boardwalk went out of business, and we moved to MCA Records.
1205
00:53:04,268 --> 00:53:07,184
It was beginning of Irving Azoff's tenure there.
1206
00:53:07,358 --> 00:53:09,882
MCA gave us
a multimillion-dollar deal,
1207
00:53:10,143 --> 00:53:12,711
and while Irving
was brilliant,
1208
00:53:12,885 --> 00:53:15,104
they weren't really ready
for a rock-'n'-roll band.
1209
00:53:15,322 --> 00:53:16,715
The album known as "Album"
1210
00:53:17,237 --> 00:53:19,196
didn't do as well
as I Love Rock 'n' Roll,
1211
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:22,677
and the label kind of started
kicking the shit out of us,
1212
00:53:22,851 --> 00:53:24,897
and then we had
an urban-contemporary
1213
00:53:25,071 --> 00:53:27,552
pretty big hit
with everyday people.
1214
00:53:27,856 --> 00:53:29,858
Joan ran around
with The Commodores
1215
00:53:30,032 --> 00:53:32,209
and The Temptations
and Frankie Crocker.
1216
00:53:32,383 --> 00:53:34,515
♪ There is a yellow one that
Won't accept the black one ♪
1217
00:53:34,689 --> 00:53:36,213
♪ That won't accept
The red one ♪
1218
00:53:36,387 --> 00:53:38,215
♪ That won't accept
The white one ♪
1219
00:53:38,389 --> 00:53:40,217
It's yellow, black,
red, white.
1220
00:53:40,391 --> 00:53:42,871
Kenny: And then
Glorious Results came out
1221
00:53:43,132 --> 00:53:45,874
and by then,
we were fighting with MCA,
1222
00:53:46,048 --> 00:53:48,225
and they kind of buried
that record.
1223
00:53:48,399 --> 00:53:50,792
Rock is a business for people
who can't do anything properly.
1224
00:53:50,966 --> 00:53:52,577
It's what only a shark
would be.
1225
00:53:52,751 --> 00:53:56,537
Kenny: The situation at MCA
became so acrimonious
1226
00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:59,105
that they actually
did something unthinkable.
1227
00:53:59,279 --> 00:54:01,150
They actually went out
in the street
1228
00:54:01,412 --> 00:54:03,805
to try to stop people
from playing our records
1229
00:54:03,979 --> 00:54:08,375
to teach us a lesson,
and that was unconscionable.
1230
00:54:08,941 --> 00:54:11,117
It's one thing when they're
not helping you at all.
1231
00:54:11,291 --> 00:54:13,946
It's another thing
when they're coming after you
1232
00:54:14,163 --> 00:54:15,469
and trying to hurt you.
1233
00:54:15,904 --> 00:54:18,777
That's hard to overcome.
So what happened?
1234
00:54:18,951 --> 00:54:22,389
We were hot, hot, hot, hot, and now we're cold, cold, cold.
1235
00:54:22,563 --> 00:54:26,785
We felt like...
we're back to square one.
1236
00:54:27,133 --> 00:54:30,267
Now, we could still sell out
almost any club in America,
1237
00:54:30,441 --> 00:54:32,617
but a lot of people
who left us for dead.
1238
00:54:32,834 --> 00:54:35,663
[playing notes]
1239
00:54:35,881 --> 00:54:38,275
Jeanette Rasnik: It's not gonna
be so easy this time, Patti.
1240
00:54:38,449 --> 00:54:39,928
You're gonna
have to prove yourself.
1241
00:54:42,409 --> 00:54:44,672
From what I can see,
you're not a fit mother.
1242
00:54:45,064 --> 00:54:47,284
Joan: I'd always wanted
to act since I was a kid,
1243
00:54:47,458 --> 00:54:50,809
and then out of left field,
I got an offer to do a movie.
1244
00:54:51,113 --> 00:54:52,680
It was calledLight of Day.
1245
00:54:52,854 --> 00:54:54,726
There's a young woman
in rock 'n' roll today
1246
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:57,250
who has long had the respect
of her peers,
1247
00:54:57,424 --> 00:54:59,470
and now she's breaking out
into the mainstream.
1248
00:54:59,644 --> 00:55:01,776
And since when are you
an authority on fit mothers?
1249
00:55:02,124 --> 00:55:03,648
Since when are you
an authority on anything?
1250
00:55:03,822 --> 00:55:06,781
- This can wait, right?
- I ain't staying in this house.
1251
00:55:07,042 --> 00:55:09,741
How did Kenny put it?
Rock 'n' roll cancer movie.
1252
00:55:09,958 --> 00:55:12,831
Paul Schrader
of the movieTaxi Driver
1253
00:55:13,005 --> 00:55:16,095
and movies like that
wrote this movie
1254
00:55:16,269 --> 00:55:18,097
and was also directing it.
1255
00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:19,533
Michael J. Fox: People who
haven't done a lot of acting,
1256
00:55:19,707 --> 00:55:21,796
but they're natural performers
1257
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:23,407
it's because they're able
to access stuff.
1258
00:55:23,581 --> 00:55:25,234
They're able to go to places,
look at things
1259
00:55:25,409 --> 00:55:27,498
from a different angle,
and as kind of rock-hard
1260
00:55:27,672 --> 00:55:31,284
and stoic as Joan may seem,
she's a very curious person,
1261
00:55:31,458 --> 00:55:33,199
and she would test the limits
1262
00:55:33,373 --> 00:55:34,635
of where she thought
she could go
1263
00:55:34,809 --> 00:55:36,768
and bring in new things
and new emotions.
1264
00:55:37,072 --> 00:55:39,292
I've seen other actors
manufacture
1265
00:55:39,466 --> 00:55:41,250
and summon up for roles,
1266
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,209
but you always see
the work behind it,
1267
00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:45,690
whereas with Joan,
she just had that.
1268
00:55:45,907 --> 00:55:48,083
I told her. I warned her.
I was real clear.
1269
00:55:48,257 --> 00:55:50,695
I told her if she mentioned
church or rock 'n' roll
1270
00:55:50,869 --> 00:55:53,219
or marriage, I'd walk out
of the room if I was in it,
1271
00:55:53,393 --> 00:55:54,699
hang up the phone
if I was on it.
1272
00:55:54,873 --> 00:55:56,483
She can't bring up those
subjects no more.
1273
00:55:56,657 --> 00:55:59,443
-It was just prayer.
- Yeah, that's her trick.
1274
00:55:59,617 --> 00:56:01,314
Thought she could get away
with it. No way, man.
1275
00:56:01,488 --> 00:56:03,142
There's no middle ground.
It's her or me.
1276
00:56:03,316 --> 00:56:04,709
When she'd get there,
it'd be scary.
1277
00:56:04,883 --> 00:56:06,580
Whether she was acting
or she was playing,
1278
00:56:06,754 --> 00:56:08,277
she would get to a place where
you just don't fuck around.
1279
00:56:08,539 --> 00:56:09,801
Just let her do
what she's doing
1280
00:56:10,018 --> 00:56:11,890
and hope you don't get hurt.
1281
00:56:12,151 --> 00:56:14,719
♪ Just around the corner
Till the light of day, yeah ♪
1282
00:56:14,893 --> 00:56:17,983
Michael: Bruce Springsteen wrote the title song for the movie.
1283
00:56:18,157 --> 00:56:20,464
Initially, Bruce
was supposed to play my role.
1284
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,905
♪ Driving 500 miles,
Got 500 to go, yeah ♪
1285
00:56:28,602 --> 00:56:33,259
♪ I've got rock 'n' roll
Music on my radio ♪
1286
00:56:33,564 --> 00:56:35,479
Michael: She's sensitive
and emotional,
1287
00:56:35,653 --> 00:56:39,308
and things like loyalty and
friendship mean a lot to her
1288
00:56:39,526 --> 00:56:42,355
and empathy, and those are all great qualities in an actor.
1289
00:56:42,529 --> 00:56:44,792
Reporter: He said that you were
very patient with him.
1290
00:56:44,966 --> 00:56:47,012
He got the sense that as long
as he took what he was doing
1291
00:56:47,186 --> 00:56:48,796
seriously then you wouldn't
have a problem with him.
1292
00:56:48,970 --> 00:56:51,756
We treated each other
as peers in each other's worlds,
1293
00:56:51,930 --> 00:56:54,193
which was--
I thought was very helpful.
1294
00:56:54,454 --> 00:56:58,502
[crowd cheering]
1295
00:56:59,677 --> 00:57:02,201
♪ [playing "I Hate Myself
for Loving You"] ♪
1296
00:57:08,468 --> 00:57:12,994
Kenny: The relationship between
your label and yourselves
1297
00:57:13,299 --> 00:57:15,693
I think was capsulated
by Neil Bogart who said to me,
1298
00:57:15,867 --> 00:57:17,477
"Think of me as your surgeon.
1299
00:57:18,913 --> 00:57:21,307
And if you piss me off,
you're gonna die."
1300
00:57:21,481 --> 00:57:24,310
We were a really small
boutique label.
1301
00:57:24,571 --> 00:57:27,095
♪ Midnight, gettin' uptight,
Where are you? ♪
1302
00:57:27,269 --> 00:57:30,142
Kenny: A big star machine
is available to you
1303
00:57:30,359 --> 00:57:32,579
if you're on Warner Brothers
or Columbia,
1304
00:57:32,971 --> 00:57:37,279
and that was what Joan missed
for most of her career
1305
00:57:37,584 --> 00:57:39,934
because that star machine
makes the difference.
1306
00:57:40,848 --> 00:57:43,938
♪ I turn my back,
And you're messin' around ♪
1307
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:46,158
♪ I'm not really jealous... ♪
1308
00:57:46,637 --> 00:57:49,335
Kenny: So there was a part of me that always wanted the major.
1309
00:57:49,509 --> 00:57:52,556
So when we went to Epic,
we had our little honeymoon,
1310
00:57:53,034 --> 00:57:54,558
and then once again,
1311
00:57:54,732 --> 00:57:57,299
we had this monster
kind of holding us back.
1312
00:57:57,561 --> 00:58:00,564
♪ Away ♪
1313
00:58:00,825 --> 00:58:04,350
♪ I hate myself
For loving you ♪
1314
00:58:04,959 --> 00:58:08,528
♪ Can't break free from
The things that you do ♪
1315
00:58:09,355 --> 00:58:12,576
♪ I want to walk,
But I run back to you ♪
1316
00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:16,536
♪ That's why I hate myself
For loving you ♪
1317
00:58:17,537 --> 00:58:21,367
Kenny: We fought like mad dogs. Joan toured herself to death.
1318
00:58:21,541 --> 00:58:24,326
I was working day and night
going to radio stations
1319
00:58:24,501 --> 00:58:26,198
taking everybody out,
1320
00:58:26,372 --> 00:58:28,896
buying televisions for their kids in their dorms,
1321
00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:31,682
you know, whatever I could
think of to get an edge,
1322
00:58:31,856 --> 00:58:34,815
and somehow we kept that record alive for 17 weeks,
1323
00:58:35,381 --> 00:58:37,339
and then we were back,
and we had friends again.
1324
00:58:37,644 --> 00:58:38,993
[siren wails]
1325
00:58:39,167 --> 00:58:40,604
Reporter: Washington, D.C.
1326
00:58:40,778 --> 00:58:42,954
Only two miles
from the White House,
1327
00:58:43,128 --> 00:58:46,523
storeowners prepare for another night of civil unrest.
1328
00:58:46,697 --> 00:58:50,222
The summer of '92,
there was a riot
1329
00:58:50,439 --> 00:58:52,920
in the Mt. Pleasant neighborhood
of Washington, D.C.,
1330
00:58:53,138 --> 00:58:55,967
and that neighborhood was filled with punk group houses.
1331
00:58:56,141 --> 00:58:58,622
There was a lot of women
who were very political.
1332
00:58:58,883 --> 00:59:02,582
This woman Jen Thomas said,
"We should have a girl riot."
1333
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,497
So she said, "We should
be riot girls."
1334
00:59:04,671 --> 00:59:08,632
That was the beginning
of the Riot Grrrl movement
1335
00:59:08,806 --> 00:59:09,633
or whatever
you want to call it.
1336
00:59:09,807 --> 00:59:12,374
♪ Rebel girl ♪
1337
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:14,463
♪ Rebel girl ♪
1338
00:59:14,638 --> 00:59:17,641
♪ Rebel girl, You are the queen of my world ♪
1339
00:59:17,902 --> 00:59:20,426
♪ Rebel girl,
Rebel girl ♪
1340
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,429
Two girls, Tobi and Kathi
from my band, Bikini Kill,
1341
00:59:23,603 --> 00:59:25,474
went to see
a Fugazi show.
1342
00:59:25,736 --> 00:59:27,433
Ian: And Joan and Kenny
came down for the gig,
1343
00:59:27,607 --> 00:59:29,522
and you can see her
in the back of this--
1344
00:59:29,696 --> 00:59:31,480
you know, on the side
of the stage just going off.
1345
00:59:31,655 --> 00:59:33,482
Kathleen Hanna: So they got
one of our demo tapes.
1346
00:59:33,657 --> 00:59:35,833
They must've had one
in their bag or something,
1347
00:59:36,137 --> 00:59:38,487
and then they wrote
"For a good time call,"
1348
00:59:38,705 --> 00:59:40,446
and they wrote
my phone number.
1349
00:59:40,664 --> 00:59:43,014
Phone rings, and I pick it up,
and it's like,
1350
00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:45,538
"Hey, Kathleen,
it's Joan Jett."
1351
00:59:45,712 --> 00:59:48,889
And I was just like, "Yeah,
whatever, who the fuck is this?"
1352
00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:50,630
"No, I was at the Fugazi show
last night."
1353
00:59:50,804 --> 00:59:52,545
She's like, "I heard
a demo of your band.
1354
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:54,329
I think it's really great, maybe we could work together."
1355
00:59:54,547 --> 00:59:56,680
I was just like,
"This really is not funny."
1356
00:59:56,854 --> 00:59:58,638
So I walk into
the living room.
1357
00:59:58,856 --> 01:00:00,553
We have this
Glorious Misspent Youth poster.
1358
01:00:00,727 --> 01:00:02,599
I said, "Okay, if you're
really Joan Jett,
1359
01:00:02,773 --> 01:00:04,557
tell me
what your hair looks like."
1360
01:00:04,731 --> 01:00:09,083
And she goes, "It's like
a bastardized, disheveled bob."
1361
01:00:09,257 --> 01:00:12,043
And I was like, "Oh, shit,
you are Joan Jett!"
1362
01:00:12,217 --> 01:00:13,697
[laughs]
1363
01:00:14,175 --> 01:00:16,613
Joan: I got such a kick
out of watching them
1364
01:00:16,787 --> 01:00:19,616
fight their fight because
their fight was my fight.
1365
01:00:19,790 --> 01:00:21,618
I'm not willing to deal
with the mainstream anymore
1366
01:00:21,792 --> 01:00:24,577
when they're constantly asking
me questions about sexual abuse,
1367
01:00:24,751 --> 01:00:26,971
about if I've been a stripper,
if I haven't been a stripper,
1368
01:00:27,145 --> 01:00:30,061
constantly just completely
sexist shit.
1369
01:00:30,322 --> 01:00:32,629
And probably on another level,
she related to it
1370
01:00:32,803 --> 01:00:34,152
because she's a woman,
you know?
1371
01:00:34,456 --> 01:00:37,416
And she had been,
of all people, in the trenches
1372
01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:40,767
in an era where women were,
you know, so marginalized.
1373
01:00:41,376 --> 01:00:44,031
Kathleen: I wanted to use music
to spread feminism,
1374
01:00:44,249 --> 01:00:46,730
and I thought punk
was a great vehicle.
1375
01:00:46,991 --> 01:00:49,558
I equated being on a major label
with, like,
1376
01:00:49,733 --> 01:00:51,865
"Oh, I'm gonna
start using drugs and die."
1377
01:00:52,170 --> 01:00:53,824
Kim and Thurston
from Sonic Youth
1378
01:00:53,998 --> 01:00:56,130
were really nice to us and would
let us crash on the floor,
1379
01:00:56,348 --> 01:00:58,393
but Joan was the person
who stepped forward
1380
01:00:58,567 --> 01:01:00,178
and said,
"I want to be involved."
1381
01:01:00,352 --> 01:01:02,136
She really understood
where we were coming from.
1382
01:01:02,441 --> 01:01:05,183
Joan: For lack of a better term,
you know, an updated version
1383
01:01:05,357 --> 01:01:07,228
of what The Runaways
were trying to achieve,
1384
01:01:07,489 --> 01:01:09,666
some kind of legitimacy.
1385
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,450
Kathleen: She kind of
was the cement
1386
01:01:11,624 --> 01:01:13,321
that kept
a lot of things going
1387
01:01:13,495 --> 01:01:16,542
for some of the feminist bands in the '90s, definitely for me.
1388
01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:19,588
I mean, she changed
my whole career path
1389
01:01:19,806 --> 01:01:22,243
and taught me
how to record a record.
1390
01:01:22,548 --> 01:01:24,463
Ian: When they did
that Bikini Kill record,
1391
01:01:24,637 --> 01:01:26,291
they produced a record,
1392
01:01:26,465 --> 01:01:28,423
which was I think
the best Bikini Kill record.
1393
01:01:28,641 --> 01:01:30,599
Joan's name is on there,
but Kenny's really--
1394
01:01:30,774 --> 01:01:32,123
he's involved.
1395
01:01:32,297 --> 01:01:34,603
He's working.
He's always in the studio.
1396
01:01:34,821 --> 01:01:36,693
I have to say, this kind of
ties in Joan pretty intensely.
1397
01:01:36,867 --> 01:01:38,695
I hadn't heard
of The Runaways.
1398
01:01:38,869 --> 01:01:41,436
One of the earliest scenes that we were really interested in
1399
01:01:41,610 --> 01:01:43,003
was the LA punk scene,
1400
01:01:43,221 --> 01:01:44,657
and then The Germs' album
came out,
1401
01:01:45,005 --> 01:01:46,964
and that record was hugely
significant for us,
1402
01:01:47,268 --> 01:01:48,966
and Joan had produced it.
1403
01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:51,838
Wait a minute, that's the
"I Love Rock 'n' Roll" person.
1404
01:01:52,056 --> 01:01:54,972
Like, that's crazy
that she produced this record.
1405
01:01:55,450 --> 01:01:59,237
She has been a part
of not only her own music
1406
01:01:59,411 --> 01:02:01,674
that she's produced
but also some of the greatest
1407
01:02:01,848 --> 01:02:04,111
punk music
that's ever been put out.
1408
01:02:04,285 --> 01:02:06,200
TV host: We have a few friends
for you to meet,
1409
01:02:06,548 --> 01:02:08,855
Mercury recording artist
Joan Jett of The Runaways,
1410
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,988
and we have with us tonight
The Germs
1411
01:02:11,162 --> 01:02:12,772
performing at the Whisky.
1412
01:02:12,946 --> 01:02:14,600
What are you guys
gonna do tonight?
1413
01:02:14,818 --> 01:02:16,297
Same stuff we always do.
1414
01:02:16,994 --> 01:02:20,824
♪ ["Shut Down"
by The Germs plays] ♪
1415
01:02:23,478 --> 01:02:25,959
Joan: The Germs,
they were a pretty...
1416
01:02:27,439 --> 01:02:29,876
infamous LA punk band.
1417
01:02:30,355 --> 01:02:33,227
The lead singer, Darby Crash,
and the guitar player,
1418
01:02:33,401 --> 01:02:35,142
Pat Smear,
were huge Runaways fans.
1419
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,623
Eventually, they started
this band called The Germs,
1420
01:02:37,797 --> 01:02:39,756
and they were hard-core punk.
1421
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,671
[song continues]
1422
01:02:42,846 --> 01:02:46,501
Darby is some kind
of crazed Colonel Kurtz-like
1423
01:02:46,675 --> 01:02:49,026
shaman of teenage people.
1424
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,421
[song continues]
1425
01:02:53,944 --> 01:02:57,295
Joan: Must have been '79
at some point before I moved,
1426
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,167
they asked if, you know,
I would produce an album,
1427
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,909
and I'm figuring you know,
they think I know what I'm doing
1428
01:03:03,083 --> 01:03:05,085
because I've made a couple
albums with The Runaways.
1429
01:03:05,259 --> 01:03:07,044
Don: She didn't engineer.
That wasn't her thing.
1430
01:03:07,218 --> 01:03:08,828
Had a great sensibility.
1431
01:03:09,002 --> 01:03:11,352
She's like, "I think you gotta tune the guitar, Pat."
1432
01:03:11,613 --> 01:03:15,748
It was a no-frills album
but just straight-up punk rock.
1433
01:03:15,922 --> 01:03:17,532
I was very proud of the record.
1434
01:03:17,706 --> 01:03:19,099
We needed
someone with ears
1435
01:03:19,273 --> 01:03:21,449
and someone with
a rock 'n' roll heart
1436
01:03:21,623 --> 01:03:23,625
and they're helping us
make a good record,
1437
01:03:23,887 --> 01:03:25,758
and she did that, by gosh.
1438
01:03:26,063 --> 01:03:27,760
She knew how to get us
to do the things.
1439
01:03:27,934 --> 01:03:31,546
And then the last day,
I partied too much
1440
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,113
and passed out on the couch,
1441
01:03:33,505 --> 01:03:35,942
which Darby documents
in one of the songs.
1442
01:03:36,116 --> 01:03:37,639
[singing "Shut Down"]
1443
01:03:37,814 --> 01:03:39,337
♪ Joan Jett ♪
1444
01:03:39,511 --> 01:03:42,862
♪ Passed out
On the fucking set ♪
1445
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:48,085
[continues singing]
1446
01:03:49,129 --> 01:03:51,828
TV narrator:
Since 1991, the hottest spot
1447
01:03:52,002 --> 01:03:54,134
in rock 'n' roll has been
Seattle, Washington.
1448
01:03:54,918 --> 01:03:57,921
Nirvana, Pearl Jam,
and Alice in Chains
1449
01:03:58,095 --> 01:04:00,358
all came out
of the local music scene.
1450
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,708
Many people thought
the next breakthrough band
1451
01:04:02,882 --> 01:04:04,841
would be The Gits,
a punk-rock group
1452
01:04:05,015 --> 01:04:08,540
fronted by Mia Zapata,
a charismatic 27-year-old
1453
01:04:08,932 --> 01:04:10,324
with a tragic destiny.
1454
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,589
Man: [on recording]
Two of her roommates
1455
01:04:14,763 --> 01:04:16,243
finally broke down
1456
01:04:16,548 --> 01:04:20,682
and called the morgue,
where she-- where she was,
1457
01:04:21,118 --> 01:04:22,815
and she was
an unidentified victim
1458
01:04:22,989 --> 01:04:24,208
at the morgue at that time.
1459
01:04:24,948 --> 01:04:27,602
Joan: She was found strangled
to death by her--
1460
01:04:28,821 --> 01:04:33,260
her hoodie tie,
raped, and left in an alley.
1461
01:04:33,608 --> 01:04:36,263
Somehow came up in the studio
with Joan, and she's just like,
1462
01:04:36,437 --> 01:04:38,875
"We gotta do something.
We gotta be involved."
1463
01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:40,833
Next thing you know,
she's, like,
1464
01:04:41,007 --> 01:04:43,880
singing The Gits songs
1465
01:04:44,141 --> 01:04:46,273
with the surviving members
of The Gits.
1466
01:04:46,447 --> 01:04:48,145
Joan: The thing
that really struck me
1467
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:53,628
really hard at the time
was how it could've been
1468
01:04:53,802 --> 01:04:56,457
any one of us
and how many times, you know,
1469
01:04:56,675 --> 01:04:59,896
I've come home late at night
in that exact same situation.
1470
01:05:00,070 --> 01:05:01,854
She could've been me,
and I could've been her.
1471
01:05:02,028 --> 01:05:03,943
Then he slapped you
right across the face.
1472
01:05:04,117 --> 01:05:05,640
[imitates guitar strumming]
1473
01:05:05,814 --> 01:05:09,644
And there's no singing.
So it emphasizes that.
1474
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,821
It was a very strange thing
because it was--
1475
01:05:12,996 --> 01:05:14,649
you're celebrating the music,
1476
01:05:14,823 --> 01:05:16,738
but it was about
such a horrible thing.
1477
01:05:16,956 --> 01:05:18,697
It's gonna blow their minds.
It's unbelievable.
1478
01:05:18,871 --> 01:05:20,394
Joan: It's like, really good.
1479
01:05:20,699 --> 01:05:23,180
Interviewer: How did you guys make that very painful decision
1480
01:05:23,354 --> 01:05:24,833
to keep on playing?
1481
01:05:25,008 --> 01:05:27,924
Because Mia would be
really upset if we didn't.
1482
01:05:28,098 --> 01:05:31,753
Joan: When you see the footage and you see how close they were
1483
01:05:32,058 --> 01:05:34,626
and you see Andy and Mia
joking onstage
1484
01:05:34,843 --> 01:05:37,846
and you see this rapport
and how close they were,
1485
01:05:38,021 --> 01:05:38,935
I mean...
1486
01:05:42,068 --> 01:05:46,943
[voice breaks] It really had
to be devastating, you know?
1487
01:05:48,118 --> 01:05:51,077
Hey, we'd like to thank you
all right here real quick
1488
01:05:51,382 --> 01:05:55,647
for coming out to Viva Zapata.
1489
01:05:55,864 --> 01:05:56,996
Thank you for supporting.
1490
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:58,867
All the money went
to charity.
1491
01:05:59,216 --> 01:06:01,131
To help protect women
walking home,
1492
01:06:01,305 --> 01:06:03,829
self-defense classes,
all kinds of stuff.
1493
01:06:04,003 --> 01:06:05,613
It was a big deal at the time
1494
01:06:05,831 --> 01:06:08,660
because women were getting
raped, murdered.
1495
01:06:08,834 --> 01:06:11,402
Kenny: It was also to contribute
money for the private eye--
1496
01:06:11,793 --> 01:06:14,318
Joan: To find the guy
that killed Mia.
1497
01:06:16,146 --> 01:06:18,844
♪ But I think I know
It hurts me to be angry ♪
1498
01:06:19,018 --> 01:06:20,454
♪ Kills me to be kind ♪
1499
01:06:20,628 --> 01:06:22,152
Joan: I'll still
never forget the day
1500
01:06:22,587 --> 01:06:25,633
I got a phone call
from Steve Moriarty.
1501
01:06:27,331 --> 01:06:30,203
No hello, no nothing.
"We got him."
1502
01:06:34,338 --> 01:06:38,777
♪ So messed up
I want you here ♪
1503
01:06:42,128 --> 01:06:44,000
Thommy Price:
The mid-'90s, you know,
1504
01:06:44,174 --> 01:06:47,090
we were doing all
of these one-off shows.
1505
01:06:47,264 --> 01:06:49,875
You'd be going to
a crappy little town
1506
01:06:50,049 --> 01:06:55,402
doing a state fair not really LA
but three hours outside of LA.
1507
01:06:55,794 --> 01:06:59,450
I went through a phase where
I didn't really give a crap.
1508
01:07:01,365 --> 01:07:03,280
Because they were,
you know,
1509
01:07:03,541 --> 01:07:06,544
gigs that I felt we shouldn't
have been doing or whatever.
1510
01:07:06,718 --> 01:07:10,330
♪ Now I wanna
Be your dog ♪
1511
01:07:10,678 --> 01:07:14,291
♪ Now I wanna
Be your dog ♪
1512
01:07:14,465 --> 01:07:16,032
Kenny: Our business is funny.
1513
01:07:16,206 --> 01:07:18,208
You're hot and important,
then you're not.
1514
01:07:18,425 --> 01:07:19,992
Joan: It was a bad feeling,
but I always felt
1515
01:07:20,166 --> 01:07:22,429
like we had to fight on.
1516
01:07:22,821 --> 01:07:26,825
We knew we had what it took.
We didn't stop working.
1517
01:07:26,999 --> 01:07:29,349
- And so--
-Kenny: It was not fun.
1518
01:07:31,221 --> 01:07:35,094
Unless you've been gifted
in your 20s
1519
01:07:35,268 --> 01:07:38,402
with incredible piles of money
1520
01:07:38,576 --> 01:07:40,708
being thrown at you
by the system,
1521
01:07:40,926 --> 01:07:44,060
which almost all really,
really good musicians are not...
1522
01:07:46,149 --> 01:07:52,546
♪ Yes, and now I'm ready
To close my eyes ♪
1523
01:07:54,026 --> 01:07:55,593
♪ Yes, and now... ♪
1524
01:07:55,810 --> 01:07:58,552
Iggy Pop: You need
to exert incredible focus
1525
01:07:58,813 --> 01:08:01,207
on maintaining
your own identity
1526
01:08:01,686 --> 01:08:05,211
while still using a skill
to enter the system
1527
01:08:05,385 --> 01:08:09,433
without destroying yourself
as a force.
1528
01:08:10,216 --> 01:08:15,091
♪ Yes, and lose my heart
On burning sand ♪
1529
01:08:15,265 --> 01:08:18,355
Come on, Charleston,
I wanna hear you now!
1530
01:08:18,659 --> 01:08:23,273
Debbie: You have to be really willing to go anywhere with it,
1531
01:08:23,447 --> 01:08:26,667
up or down,
you know, sideways, whatever.
1532
01:08:26,841 --> 01:08:30,454
Thommy: Joan, she gives it
100 percent
1533
01:08:30,715 --> 01:08:34,806
whether it's a state fair,
a sweet 16 birthday party,
1534
01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,982
or 10,000 people.
1535
01:08:37,156 --> 01:08:41,117
She still gives it her all.
No matter what.
1536
01:08:41,465 --> 01:08:45,425
[shouts indistinctly,
plays solo]
1537
01:08:45,643 --> 01:08:48,080
Dana White: I saw her live at
a summer music festival
1538
01:08:48,254 --> 01:08:51,997
here in Las Vegas,
110 degrees out, full leather,
1539
01:08:52,258 --> 01:08:55,000
up on stage
just ripping it apart.
1540
01:08:55,261 --> 01:08:57,611
'Cause this was mid-'90s
to late '90s.
1541
01:08:57,916 --> 01:09:00,310
We ended up doing
some private thing together.
1542
01:09:00,484 --> 01:09:02,007
I was like, "Man, I forgot
1543
01:09:02,181 --> 01:09:04,227
how bad-ass Joan Jett was,"
you know?
1544
01:09:04,401 --> 01:09:06,707
Rock 'n' roll animal, I mean,
is there was ever anyone
1545
01:09:06,881 --> 01:09:09,754
that fit that description,
it's Joan through and through.
1546
01:09:16,195 --> 01:09:18,284
Kenny: I would say our period
during the '90s
1547
01:09:18,458 --> 01:09:20,243
was the most difficult.
1548
01:09:20,417 --> 01:09:23,463
If it was our fate to split up, it would have been then,
1549
01:09:24,072 --> 01:09:25,378
but we stuck together.
1550
01:09:26,205 --> 01:09:27,511
[man laughs]
1551
01:09:27,728 --> 01:09:29,295
Pretty scary sight?
1552
01:09:29,469 --> 01:09:30,644
Man: It's a beautiful thing.
1553
01:09:31,210 --> 01:09:32,820
You know what?
1554
01:09:33,081 --> 01:09:35,301
I'm not trying to tell you
how to do lights or anything.
1555
01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:37,695
Doesn't it get cold
in the middle of the show?
1556
01:09:37,912 --> 01:09:40,045
We got a band here
from New York City
1557
01:09:40,306 --> 01:09:43,744
that have been performing
for soldiers for 18 years.
1558
01:09:43,918 --> 01:09:47,139
I wasn't for the Vietnam War,
but I also had people
1559
01:09:47,313 --> 01:09:50,534
in my family, like my godfather,
Uncle Nat,
1560
01:09:51,317 --> 01:09:53,363
who said, "You have
to serve your country."
1561
01:09:53,537 --> 01:09:57,018
So I started doing stuff
for the troops.
1562
01:09:57,367 --> 01:09:59,586
Joan: I feel it's really
important to give back
1563
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,501
and serve on some level,
1564
01:10:01,675 --> 01:10:04,200
and since I didn't
in that capacity,
1565
01:10:04,374 --> 01:10:06,332
I feel like that's
the least I can do.
1566
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:10,075
Kenny: I never connected
the troops with the policy.
1567
01:10:10,249 --> 01:10:11,555
General Byrnes:
We put on a show,
1568
01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:14,862
packed house in Tuzla, Bosnia,
1569
01:10:15,167 --> 01:10:17,038
and you could see
her opening up
1570
01:10:17,256 --> 01:10:20,128
and trying to understand
what the people in that region
1571
01:10:20,303 --> 01:10:23,915
had been through, a very bloody
three-year conflict.
1572
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:26,352
Joan: I'm an antiwar person
1573
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:30,748
who loves the people
in the military.
1574
01:10:31,009 --> 01:10:34,099
I don't like the military
for the military's sake.
1575
01:10:34,317 --> 01:10:36,580
Isn't it scary
that kids fight the wars?
1576
01:10:36,797 --> 01:10:37,885
Yeah.
1577
01:10:38,408 --> 01:10:40,192
- It's scary that there's war.
- Isn't it?
1578
01:10:40,366 --> 01:10:41,498
It's scary
that they're fighting
1579
01:10:41,672 --> 01:10:43,282
because there
are two religions
1580
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:46,285
and they can't just be
curious about each other
1581
01:10:46,503 --> 01:10:48,896
instead of dominant
over one another.
1582
01:10:49,332 --> 01:10:51,116
Long ago, we decided
that was the tack
1583
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:53,597
we were gonna take
as species, you know,
1584
01:10:53,771 --> 01:10:58,819
that we were gonna dominate
instead of sort of merge.
1585
01:10:59,167 --> 01:11:02,083
♪ [playing "Fetish"] ♪
1586
01:11:07,698 --> 01:11:12,311
♪ Oh, look good in latex ♪
1587
01:11:15,793 --> 01:11:20,972
♪ Get off having rough sex ♪
1588
01:11:22,974 --> 01:11:25,759
When 9/11 happened,
1589
01:11:27,021 --> 01:11:30,155
the first thing I thought of
was we gotta get over there.
1590
01:11:30,547 --> 01:11:32,200
They said they didn't want
the band.
1591
01:11:32,375 --> 01:11:33,985
They wanted just Kenny and I.
1592
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:35,682
They wanted to keep
the footprints light.
1593
01:11:36,074 --> 01:11:38,250
People were just incredulous.
"Why are you here?"
1594
01:11:38,424 --> 01:11:40,426
We said, "We're here
'cause you're here.
1595
01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:42,515
We just want to say thank you."
1596
01:11:42,733 --> 01:11:44,212
Byrnes: The way she interacted,
1597
01:11:44,387 --> 01:11:46,214
there was nothing artificial
about it.
1598
01:11:46,389 --> 01:11:49,043
Others would come,
put on a show and leave.
1599
01:11:49,217 --> 01:11:50,610
Joan stayed.
1600
01:11:50,784 --> 01:11:52,438
I got so much
positive feedback
1601
01:11:52,612 --> 01:11:54,440
about how she made them feel.
1602
01:11:54,614 --> 01:11:56,442
And, oh, my God,
I have to say this.
1603
01:11:56,616 --> 01:11:58,270
You lifted up your arm,
and you've got hair
1604
01:11:58,444 --> 01:12:00,316
under your armpits
and no hair on your head!
1605
01:12:00,490 --> 01:12:03,275
I love that!
It's genius! It's genius!
1606
01:12:03,841 --> 01:12:06,887
You sound like my producer,
Kenny Laguna.
1607
01:12:07,148 --> 01:12:08,411
Will you show that again?
1608
01:12:08,846 --> 01:12:10,195
Joan: Now what are you doing?
1609
01:12:11,065 --> 01:12:13,154
Kenny: Why can't you guys
get off my back?
1610
01:12:15,374 --> 01:12:17,594
Because it's such
a lovely back.
1611
01:12:18,899 --> 01:12:20,379
Kenny: Do you want to lick it?
1612
01:12:20,553 --> 01:12:21,902
No, I don't wanna lick it.
1613
01:12:23,382 --> 01:12:25,776
- Kenny: There's no hair on it.
- I don't care.
1614
01:12:26,603 --> 01:12:27,821
Billie Joe:
It's almost like watching
1615
01:12:27,995 --> 01:12:29,301
The Odd Couple a little bit.
1616
01:12:29,475 --> 01:12:30,389
There's something
about those two.
1617
01:12:30,607 --> 01:12:31,912
There's a special bond
1618
01:12:32,173 --> 01:12:33,697
and chemistry that they have
between them.
1619
01:12:33,914 --> 01:12:35,699
Kind of like George and Gracie
in reverse or something.
1620
01:12:35,873 --> 01:12:38,441
Can't you just keep your
thoughts to yourself for once?
1621
01:12:38,615 --> 01:12:41,008
You've been saying
the same thing over and over
1622
01:12:41,182 --> 01:12:43,359
and over and over all day
since I woke up.
1623
01:12:43,533 --> 01:12:45,273
Well, 'cause you said
as soon as I wouldn't
1624
01:12:45,491 --> 01:12:48,842
hand you the thing,
then you had to storm out!
1625
01:12:49,016 --> 01:12:51,323
Joan: I'm not arguing
with you anymore.
1626
01:12:51,628 --> 01:12:53,717
You can tell there's
a deep love for each other
1627
01:12:53,934 --> 01:12:56,067
and that they're
inseparable people.
1628
01:12:56,328 --> 01:12:58,374
They're alter egos in a way,
aren't they?
1629
01:12:58,548 --> 01:13:01,246
They're twins
from different fathers.
1630
01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:03,335
[laughs] In a sense.
1631
01:13:03,509 --> 01:13:06,512
And I guess that happens
with most good friendships.
1632
01:13:06,686 --> 01:13:09,820
I think people get so stuck
on relationships being...
1633
01:13:10,473 --> 01:13:15,129
a sexual relationship or having
to be a romantic relationship.
1634
01:13:15,652 --> 01:13:17,654
Bill: What is it
with your best friend
1635
01:13:17,958 --> 01:13:20,352
that you hit things off
with so easily?
1636
01:13:20,657 --> 01:13:22,963
You know, you actually know
what the other guy's thinking.
1637
01:13:23,224 --> 01:13:24,704
You tune in,
and I suppose
1638
01:13:24,878 --> 01:13:26,619
that's what they've got
going for them.
1639
01:13:26,793 --> 01:13:28,491
People don't find this
in their life partners.
1640
01:13:28,665 --> 01:13:30,580
People don't have the love
they have in marriages.
1641
01:13:30,754 --> 01:13:32,103
That's why they don't
stay together
1642
01:13:32,277 --> 01:13:33,365
as long as Kenny and Joan.
1643
01:13:34,235 --> 01:13:37,282
Bill: It's a marriage
without the sex, really.
1644
01:13:37,543 --> 01:13:39,371
Um, it's a mentor marriage.
1645
01:13:40,241 --> 01:13:42,026
Miley: People literally
are fucking married
1646
01:13:42,243 --> 01:13:44,898
to people that they hate,
and then you see these two.
1647
01:13:45,508 --> 01:13:48,989
I'm putting this on just so
it'll be done for the future.
1648
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:50,556
This is going in the trash.
1649
01:13:50,730 --> 01:13:52,297
No it's not.
I'm sending it to Caesar.
1650
01:13:52,906 --> 01:13:54,517
No. You'll just make
another one, Kenny.
1651
01:13:54,691 --> 01:13:56,301
I don't care.
I'm sending it to him.
1652
01:13:56,475 --> 01:13:58,695
No you're not, he won't be
able to get the tape off,
1653
01:13:58,956 --> 01:14:00,348
and it'll mark up the stuff.
1654
01:14:00,871 --> 01:14:04,004
He's gonna do-- I know him.
Don't give me a fucking face.
1655
01:14:04,614 --> 01:14:06,529
Kenny is just--
He's just the classic
1656
01:14:06,703 --> 01:14:08,879
New York dude
that just loves music,
1657
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:11,359
and he's a really caring person
that loves Joan
1658
01:14:11,534 --> 01:14:13,797
and just loves rock music
1659
01:14:14,014 --> 01:14:16,103
and just wants it
to just prevail.
1660
01:14:16,539 --> 01:14:18,192
Out, please.
I gotta get changed.
1661
01:14:18,715 --> 01:14:20,673
I'm sending it to
The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame.
1662
01:14:22,762 --> 01:14:24,547
It's the one you almost wore.
1663
01:14:24,721 --> 01:14:26,723
Kathleen: He's a hard-core
feminist man.
1664
01:14:27,158 --> 01:14:30,335
He is totally
just a contrarian.
1665
01:14:30,509 --> 01:14:32,380
And he likes to fuck
with everything
1666
01:14:32,555 --> 01:14:33,817
anybody says ever.
1667
01:14:34,034 --> 01:14:35,383
They're a family
with each other,
1668
01:14:35,558 --> 01:14:37,255
and they're interdependent
on each other.
1669
01:14:37,429 --> 01:14:39,039
They really are partners.
1670
01:14:39,257 --> 01:14:41,346
Sure, it's dysfunctional.
Everything's dysfunctional.
1671
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,305
But it's like
it's my kind of dysfunctional.
1672
01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:46,569
Miley: And people want
to tell, I guess, everyone
1673
01:14:46,743 --> 01:14:48,222
how to be and who to love,
1674
01:14:48,396 --> 01:14:49,746
but you can't help
who you love,
1675
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,574
and you can't help
what your relationship
1676
01:14:51,835 --> 01:14:53,401
is with them either.
1677
01:14:53,793 --> 01:14:55,447
Dougie Needles: Whenever
they appear to be at odds...
1678
01:14:55,665 --> 01:14:58,581
[chuckles]
Just wait until it blows over.
1679
01:14:58,755 --> 01:15:00,408
Because it does, it blows over,
and ten minutes later--
1680
01:15:00,583 --> 01:15:01,801
not even, five minutes later,
1681
01:15:01,975 --> 01:15:03,586
they're acting
like it never happened.
1682
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,718
Best friends are supposed
to annoy you a little bit.
1683
01:15:05,936 --> 01:15:07,720
They gotta push your buttons
a little.
1684
01:15:08,591 --> 01:15:09,722
They keep you alive.
1685
01:15:09,896 --> 01:15:11,419
So it's an extraordinary
situation.
1686
01:15:11,594 --> 01:15:13,509
You won't see another one
like it, really.
1687
01:15:13,857 --> 01:15:15,511
Kenny: So the years went by.
1688
01:15:15,685 --> 01:15:18,470
Even though we were having
some profile,
1689
01:15:18,644 --> 01:15:20,254
we were not making money.
1690
01:15:20,646 --> 01:15:24,171
Carianne
came back from Colorado,
1691
01:15:24,389 --> 01:15:26,217
and Cari came on board.
1692
01:15:26,609 --> 01:15:29,394
When I got there,
my father was ready
1693
01:15:29,568 --> 01:15:32,528
to sign Rick Derringer's
Christian album.
1694
01:15:32,702 --> 01:15:34,530
It was "Rock & Roll,
Hoochie Koo,"
1695
01:15:34,704 --> 01:15:36,227
and instead of "Rock & Roll,
Hoochie Koo,"
1696
01:15:36,401 --> 01:15:37,837
it was "Jesus Christ,
Hoochie Koo."
1697
01:15:38,055 --> 01:15:40,231
My father always
had this philosophy of,
1698
01:15:40,405 --> 01:15:42,712
"If they're a friend,
we will put it out."
1699
01:15:43,060 --> 01:15:45,062
Kenny: You know, she was like,
"I'll stick around,
1700
01:15:45,584 --> 01:15:48,456
but we've gotta treat this
like a real label."
1701
01:15:48,631 --> 01:15:51,285
And she had grown up
in the business
1702
01:15:51,459 --> 01:15:53,636
but also had the attitude
of a young person.
1703
01:15:54,114 --> 01:15:57,683
Like, I didn't want iTunes.
iTunes to me was the enemy.
1704
01:15:57,857 --> 01:16:00,468
I'm selling "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" for $17.
1705
01:16:00,643 --> 01:16:01,861
I don't want to sell it
for a dollar.
1706
01:16:02,296 --> 01:16:03,907
She finally talked me
into doing it,
1707
01:16:04,081 --> 01:16:06,518
and the first month,
we sold 70,000
1708
01:16:06,692 --> 01:16:08,564
"I Love Rock 'n' Roll"
downloads,
1709
01:16:09,434 --> 01:16:11,741
and we were in business.
1710
01:16:12,306 --> 01:16:14,482
Joan: Cari came in,
and boom, boom, boom, boom.
1711
01:16:14,657 --> 01:16:16,528
Kenny: I had a meeting
with Kevin Lyman,
1712
01:16:16,702 --> 01:16:18,486
who owns The Warped Tour.
1713
01:16:18,661 --> 01:16:20,793
The Warped Tour
was this hip thing,
1714
01:16:20,967 --> 01:16:24,144
and it was kind of
a weird concept for Joan
1715
01:16:24,318 --> 01:16:25,668
to go on The Warped Tour.
1716
01:16:25,842 --> 01:16:27,452
Carianne Brinkman:
I think at that point,
1717
01:16:27,670 --> 01:16:31,325
Joan was not feeling as inspired and my father, too.
1718
01:16:31,499 --> 01:16:33,893
I didn't see the fire
that I saw
1719
01:16:34,067 --> 01:16:35,721
after The Warped Tour.
1720
01:16:35,895 --> 01:16:40,073
It reignited her,
and it reignited the passion.
1721
01:16:40,378 --> 01:16:43,599
[crowd cheering]
1722
01:16:43,773 --> 01:16:47,428
How's everybody doing?
Wow, look where we are.
1723
01:16:47,603 --> 01:16:48,778
This is so pretty.
1724
01:16:50,344 --> 01:16:52,303
I was actually born
in Pennsylvania.
1725
01:16:52,477 --> 01:16:56,176
[crowd cheering]
1726
01:16:56,699 --> 01:16:58,701
Laura Jane Grace: And you're traveling around the US
1727
01:16:58,875 --> 01:17:00,746
and playing in parking lots,
and I'm like, "Whoa,
1728
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,661
Joan Jett and The Blackhearts
are gonna be on this tour?"
1729
01:17:02,835 --> 01:17:04,141
Joan's a real rock star,
1730
01:17:04,315 --> 01:17:05,969
and we just all want
to be rock stars.
1731
01:17:06,143 --> 01:17:08,536
I just will forever have
that mental image
1732
01:17:08,754 --> 01:17:13,324
of Joan on her BMX bike
with camo cutoff shorts
1733
01:17:13,585 --> 01:17:16,283
and big black sunglasses
just riding around
1734
01:17:16,457 --> 01:17:18,155
hanging out with everyone.
1735
01:17:18,329 --> 01:17:20,592
Carianne: You could just see
she was having fun,
1736
01:17:20,897 --> 01:17:24,509
and she was reminded of what
it was in the beginning.
1737
01:17:24,683 --> 01:17:26,293
♪ It ain't mine ♪
1738
01:17:26,554 --> 01:17:28,208
♪ It ain't yours ♪
1739
01:17:28,382 --> 01:17:30,341
♪ But I'm here ♪
1740
01:17:30,689 --> 01:17:32,299
♪ I ain't going anywhere ♪
1741
01:17:32,473 --> 01:17:33,823
♪ It ain't his ♪
1742
01:17:33,997 --> 01:17:35,738
♪ It ain't hers ♪
1743
01:17:36,129 --> 01:17:37,957
♪ It's for all ♪
1744
01:17:38,305 --> 01:17:40,743
♪ Is that something
We can learn? ♪
1745
01:17:40,917 --> 01:17:42,919
Laura Jane: Your motivations
in order to survive
1746
01:17:43,093 --> 01:17:45,617
doing something like that
can't be, like,
1747
01:17:45,791 --> 01:17:47,401
fame and fortune.
1748
01:17:47,575 --> 01:17:49,577
You know, it has to be
the overall package
1749
01:17:49,795 --> 01:17:53,538
of, like, I'm going to be good at every single element of this
1750
01:17:53,712 --> 01:17:55,758
or work at every single element of this.
1751
01:17:55,932 --> 01:17:58,499
Seeing that as a younger
musician at the time,
1752
01:17:58,761 --> 01:18:00,850
you know, those are the people
I want to learn from.
1753
01:18:01,764 --> 01:18:06,116
♪ Gotta change
this world ♪
1754
01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:08,335
Carianne: From there,
we found our voice.
1755
01:18:08,771 --> 01:18:11,034
We found our next chapter.
1756
01:18:11,208 --> 01:18:12,818
Joan: She runs the company now.
1757
01:18:13,819 --> 01:18:18,998
I think that's just
a beautiful cycle of life
1758
01:18:19,172 --> 01:18:20,565
when you see it
right in front of you.
1759
01:18:20,739 --> 01:18:23,437
We wanted to be a place
that said yes to people
1760
01:18:23,873 --> 01:18:26,702
and gave a platform
for young bands
1761
01:18:26,876 --> 01:18:32,403
that didn't fit into any kind
of typical major-label box.
1762
01:18:32,751 --> 01:18:34,535
♪ ["Feminazi" by Fea plays] ♪
1763
01:18:41,891 --> 01:18:44,284
Fea: There's a lot of bullshit
going on right now
1764
01:18:44,589 --> 01:18:47,418
with a dum-dum in office,
so we're musicians.
1765
01:18:47,635 --> 01:18:49,028
We have a platform,
1766
01:18:49,202 --> 01:18:50,900
people paying attention
to our music and lyrics.
1767
01:18:51,204 --> 01:18:53,859
She always let us speak freely
because she does so herself.
1768
01:18:54,033 --> 01:18:57,036
[song continues]
1769
01:19:04,783 --> 01:19:06,611
So in my final stay
at the state,
1770
01:19:06,872 --> 01:19:08,569
I was giving advice
1771
01:19:08,744 --> 01:19:10,136
to the new governor
1772
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:12,182
that I've taken from someone
who I admire,
1773
01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:13,879
and they all know
that I love Joan Jett,
1774
01:19:14,053 --> 01:19:16,055
and so I just gave
one of her quotes
1775
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:18,623
where she said, you know,
"Be yourself.
1776
01:19:18,797 --> 01:19:20,146
That's the way
it's supposed to be."
1777
01:19:20,668 --> 01:19:23,019
Shepard Fairey: A lot
of musicians, entertainers,
1778
01:19:23,323 --> 01:19:26,065
they develop a degree of success
and notoriety
1779
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:27,675
from their work,
and frequently,
1780
01:19:27,850 --> 01:19:30,722
they're less inclined
to take a stand
1781
01:19:30,896 --> 01:19:33,290
because that might alienate
a segment of their audience.
1782
01:19:33,594 --> 01:19:36,293
Joan, on the other hand,
is very outspoken.
1783
01:19:36,684 --> 01:19:40,863
When I came out
in 2012 as transgender, um,
1784
01:19:41,124 --> 01:19:44,605
Joan was one of the first people
to contact me to just say, like,
1785
01:19:44,823 --> 01:19:46,651
"Hey, you know,
if you need a friend
1786
01:19:46,825 --> 01:19:48,740
or someone to talk to,
I'm here."
1787
01:19:48,914 --> 01:19:51,874
♪ Well, now,
Don't get him wrong ♪
1788
01:19:52,048 --> 01:19:56,400
♪ And don't get him mad,
He might be a father... ♪
1789
01:19:56,574 --> 01:19:59,011
Laura Jane: And it really-- it meant a lot to me, you know,
1790
01:19:59,185 --> 01:20:01,927
that there were few people that I felt like I could relate to
1791
01:20:02,101 --> 01:20:05,235
at that time and few people
that, you know, I felt like
1792
01:20:05,409 --> 01:20:07,367
I had any kind
of shared experiences with,
1793
01:20:07,541 --> 01:20:09,108
not just, like,
being in a band
1794
01:20:09,282 --> 01:20:11,284
but when you're talking
about gender fluidity.
1795
01:20:11,632 --> 01:20:13,896
All:
♪ Androgynous ♪
1796
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,379
♪ Closer than you know,
Love each other so ♪
1797
01:20:19,553 --> 01:20:22,121
Michael: I know she championed
for women's causes
1798
01:20:22,295 --> 01:20:24,515
and LGBTQ causes,
and that's all great,
1799
01:20:24,689 --> 01:20:26,952
but I don't think
she's mushy about it.
1800
01:20:27,126 --> 01:20:29,085
All:
♪ See no damage ♪
1801
01:20:29,650 --> 01:20:30,608
She's straightforward
about it.
1802
01:20:30,782 --> 01:20:32,175
This is the way it should be,
1803
01:20:32,349 --> 01:20:33,654
and fuck you...
if you don't see it that way.
1804
01:20:34,133 --> 01:20:37,963
All: ♪ Kewpie dolls
And urine stalls ♪
1805
01:20:38,137 --> 01:20:43,490
♪ Will be laughed at the way
You're laughed at now ♪
1806
01:20:43,795 --> 01:20:47,016
I wish that more people
who were in a position
1807
01:20:47,190 --> 01:20:51,281
to use their voice beyond
just the art
1808
01:20:51,455 --> 01:20:53,979
that they create, you know,
would do that.
1809
01:20:54,197 --> 01:20:55,763
Gene Baur: The way we interact
with animals
1810
01:20:55,938 --> 01:20:57,330
says a lot about who we are.
1811
01:20:57,548 --> 01:21:01,813
When we treat them with cruelty,
it says something.
1812
01:21:01,987 --> 01:21:03,249
When we treat them
with kindness,
1813
01:21:03,423 --> 01:21:05,077
it says something
very different.
1814
01:21:05,251 --> 01:21:07,210
Joan: The way our culture
thinks about animals
1815
01:21:07,384 --> 01:21:09,995
or doesn't think about them
and their lives
1816
01:21:10,169 --> 01:21:13,956
and how they think and that they
feel pain and that they scream.
1817
01:21:14,130 --> 01:21:15,740
Joan: [on phone] Chickens recognize each other
1818
01:21:15,914 --> 01:21:18,003
by their faces,
just like we do.
1819
01:21:18,221 --> 01:21:20,179
Interviewer: What do you want
Norway to do?
1820
01:21:21,441 --> 01:21:24,009
Stop supporting
the seal slaughter in Canada.
1821
01:21:24,270 --> 01:21:27,883
Joan has always shown up.
She speaks out for animals.
1822
01:21:28,057 --> 01:21:31,016
She speaks out for people who
don't have enough of a voice.
1823
01:21:31,190 --> 01:21:32,800
Most people
don't think about it.
1824
01:21:33,062 --> 01:21:34,541
Michelle Cho: Animal rights
is human rights.
1825
01:21:34,715 --> 01:21:36,021
You know, humans are animals.
1826
01:21:36,369 --> 01:21:39,677
We all have the capacity
to feel pain,
1827
01:21:40,025 --> 01:21:42,767
to feel fear, to suffer.
1828
01:21:42,941 --> 01:21:44,812
Joan: And I'm not trying
to demonize people
1829
01:21:44,987 --> 01:21:47,859
that do eat meat, and I try
not to preach to them,
1830
01:21:48,033 --> 01:21:50,688
but I do talk to people
about it if they're curious.
1831
01:21:52,777 --> 01:21:54,605
What have you been writing?
What are you doing?
1832
01:21:54,779 --> 01:21:56,433
Where you been?
How you doing?
1833
01:21:56,607 --> 01:21:58,652
Well, between watching
The View--
1834
01:21:59,001 --> 01:22:00,959
- 'Cause I watch it--
- [audience cheers]
1835
01:22:01,177 --> 01:22:03,570
Yeah. I watch every day.
I did a movie.
1836
01:22:03,744 --> 01:22:06,312
I executive produced
a film about my first band
1837
01:22:06,486 --> 01:22:08,836
called The Runaways
that had Kristen Stewart,
1838
01:22:09,011 --> 01:22:10,838
Dakota Fanning in it,
thank you.
1839
01:22:11,013 --> 01:22:14,103
♪ Blonde bombshell
Better wear it well ♪
1840
01:22:14,277 --> 01:22:16,932
♪ Your mama says You're going straight to hell ♪
1841
01:22:17,106 --> 01:22:18,498
Kristen Stewart: In a rehearsal,
before
1842
01:22:18,759 --> 01:22:20,761
we actually shot "Cherry Bomb,"
1843
01:22:21,023 --> 01:22:22,807
I was, like--
couldn't commit to it,
1844
01:22:22,981 --> 01:22:24,330
just felt like I was traipsing on something.
1845
01:22:24,504 --> 01:22:26,028
I'm not good at rehearsal.
1846
01:22:26,332 --> 01:22:28,030
So she was like,
"What are you doing? Come on.
1847
01:22:28,204 --> 01:22:30,293
You know this. You got this."
I was like, "I know, I know.
1848
01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:32,121
I know, I know. I do got it.
Don't worry."
1849
01:22:32,425 --> 01:22:34,514
And she was like,
"Pussy to the fuckin' wood."
1850
01:22:34,688 --> 01:22:36,473
And I was like, "All right."
It's funny,
1851
01:22:36,647 --> 01:22:38,040
'cause, like, rock 'n' roll
is supposed to be messy
1852
01:22:38,214 --> 01:22:39,780
and fuck it,
nothing matters,
1853
01:22:39,955 --> 01:22:41,695
but it's truly the opposite
of that for her.
1854
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,872
She has, like, a diligent
almost, like,
1855
01:22:45,134 --> 01:22:48,093
compulsive, like,
dedication to it.
1856
01:22:48,441 --> 01:22:50,008
And then was just like,
"Kristen...
1857
01:22:52,271 --> 01:22:53,316
pussy to the wood."
1858
01:22:53,838 --> 01:22:55,231
♪ My brain began to fry ♪
1859
01:22:55,622 --> 01:22:56,841
I think
the most surprising thing
1860
01:22:57,015 --> 01:22:58,495
is just how emotional
she is,
1861
01:22:58,669 --> 01:23:00,105
and I guess in retrospect
it makes total sense.
1862
01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:02,238
You look at the music,
and it definitely has
1863
01:23:02,455 --> 01:23:05,632
this kind of precious,
gritty,
1864
01:23:06,807 --> 01:23:10,942
girly, feminine snarl
that could only come
1865
01:23:11,116 --> 01:23:12,639
from somewhere
that's a little self-protective.
1866
01:23:12,857 --> 01:23:14,902
So here is a lady
who I can't believe
1867
01:23:15,077 --> 01:23:17,514
is not in
The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
1868
01:23:17,688 --> 01:23:18,732
who should be.
1869
01:23:19,342 --> 01:23:21,474
Ladies and gentlemen,
Joan Jett.
1870
01:23:21,648 --> 01:23:24,912
[crowd cheering]
1871
01:23:25,087 --> 01:23:27,915
[playing "Smells Like
Teen Spirit" by Nirvana]
1872
01:23:36,185 --> 01:23:38,404
Dave Grohl: We all have
our fucking heroes, you know?
1873
01:23:41,277 --> 01:23:43,279
And we made friends
1874
01:23:43,844 --> 01:23:46,891
with one of our fucking greatest
rock-'n'-roll heroes.
1875
01:23:47,109 --> 01:23:49,763
She made Pat want
to fucking start a band,
1876
01:23:49,937 --> 01:23:52,897
made it okay to be
fucking dirty and cool
1877
01:23:53,071 --> 01:23:56,640
and play rock 'n' roll
like a real rock-'n'-roller.
1878
01:23:57,206 --> 01:24:01,166
♪ I'm worse
At what I do best ♪
1879
01:24:01,340 --> 01:24:04,952
♪ And for this gift
I feel blessed ♪
1880
01:24:05,301 --> 01:24:09,392
♪ Our little group
Has always been ♪
1881
01:24:09,566 --> 01:24:13,222
♪ And always will
Until the end ♪
1882
01:24:13,396 --> 01:24:17,139
♪ Hello, hello, hello
How low ♪
1883
01:24:17,443 --> 01:24:21,056
♪ Hello, hello hello
How low ♪
1884
01:24:21,404 --> 01:24:25,364
♪ Hello, hello, hello
How low ♪
1885
01:24:25,538 --> 01:24:26,670
♪ Hello ♪
1886
01:24:28,193 --> 01:24:31,936
♪ With the lights out,
It's less dangerous ♪
1887
01:24:32,110 --> 01:24:35,940
♪ Here we are now,
Entertain us ♪
1888
01:24:36,114 --> 01:24:39,987
♪ I feel stupid
And contagious ♪
1889
01:24:40,336 --> 01:24:44,122
♪ Here we are now,
Entertain us ♪
1890
01:24:44,296 --> 01:24:48,126
♪ A mulatto, an albino ♪
1891
01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:52,130
♪ A mosquito, my libido ♪
1892
01:24:52,348 --> 01:24:55,090
Hey, just 'cause you wore
a cape doesn't mean I gotta.
1893
01:24:55,264 --> 01:24:57,657
You know what?
I had a cape.
1894
01:24:57,875 --> 01:25:00,225
And I left it at home because
you were wearing a fucking cape,
1895
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:02,358
and now you're not
gonna wear the cape?
1896
01:25:03,141 --> 01:25:04,751
- Can I wear her cape?
- Yes.
1897
01:25:05,796 --> 01:25:06,884
Man: Try it on.
1898
01:25:09,191 --> 01:25:11,671
Joan: Depending on what
you think is a normal,
1899
01:25:11,932 --> 01:25:13,369
regular life,
1900
01:25:13,673 --> 01:25:15,240
being in a band,
you know,
1901
01:25:15,414 --> 01:25:17,373
you're pretty much all consumed with it, yeah.
1902
01:25:17,547 --> 01:25:20,245
Is that healthy?
I don't know.
1903
01:25:20,419 --> 01:25:23,335
I'm not a doctor.
Probably not super.
1904
01:25:24,075 --> 01:25:27,122
But, you know,
it's what I enjoy.
1905
01:25:28,210 --> 01:25:30,777
I think it makes it
sort of difficult
1906
01:25:30,951 --> 01:25:32,301
to have relationships.
1907
01:25:32,518 --> 01:25:34,259
I would think that would
probably be--
1908
01:25:34,694 --> 01:25:38,437
I guess if you call it a sacrifice, that would be it.
1909
01:25:38,959 --> 01:25:42,833
To say music is my mate would be pretty fair statement.
1910
01:25:43,355 --> 01:25:44,922
And I get a lot from it.
1911
01:25:47,272 --> 01:25:49,753
But it's not--
it's not a person.
1912
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,104
And I think I know
the difference.
1913
01:25:53,409 --> 01:25:56,020
I'm gonna start off
this induction
1914
01:25:56,499 --> 01:26:00,285
with the first time I wanted
to have sex with Joan Jett.
1915
01:26:00,590 --> 01:26:03,419
[audience cheers]
1916
01:26:03,593 --> 01:26:06,117
And we were doing Oprah
together,
1917
01:26:06,291 --> 01:26:08,641
and I go up to Joan's
hotel room,
1918
01:26:09,207 --> 01:26:12,123
and Joan opens the door,
and I come in,
1919
01:26:12,297 --> 01:26:14,473
and Kenny Laguna
is laying in bed.
1920
01:26:14,778 --> 01:26:16,823
And I don't know
what the fuck is going on.
1921
01:26:17,128 --> 01:26:19,609
Joan: Oh, looks beautiful.
You look beautiful.
1922
01:26:20,262 --> 01:26:21,654
Man: That's it.
You're wearing the cape.
1923
01:26:22,394 --> 01:26:23,439
Screamin' Jay Hawkins.
1924
01:26:24,875 --> 01:26:27,704
I know there isn't one other
person on this planet
1925
01:26:28,052 --> 01:26:31,273
that's been an inspiration
to me like you have, and--
1926
01:26:31,447 --> 01:26:33,275
Is being famous
important to you?
1927
01:26:33,623 --> 01:26:35,146
I want a certain
sort of fame.
1928
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:36,974
Like when they write
the ultimate
1929
01:26:37,148 --> 01:26:40,238
rock 'n' roll history book,
I want my name to be there,
1930
01:26:40,456 --> 01:26:41,979
you know,
standing for something,
1931
01:26:42,153 --> 01:26:44,460
like being one of the first
females to really,
1932
01:26:45,156 --> 01:26:46,592
you know, play rock 'n' roll
1933
01:26:46,766 --> 01:26:48,246
and have that sort of
rock-'n'-roll spirit.
1934
01:26:48,638 --> 01:26:50,596
- [crowd cheering]
- Hi!
1935
01:26:53,556 --> 01:26:55,122
Kathleen: I think people
don't think of her like,
1936
01:26:55,297 --> 01:26:56,907
"Oh, you know, feminist",
1937
01:26:57,081 --> 01:26:59,170
like, immediately,
but the visceral experience
1938
01:26:59,344 --> 01:27:02,260
of Joan is
a feminist experience for me.
1939
01:27:02,478 --> 01:27:06,960
Watching the way she holds
herself like a normal person,
1940
01:27:07,309 --> 01:27:09,093
not like someone
who is self-conscious
1941
01:27:09,267 --> 01:27:11,226
and trying to be a good girl.
1942
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:15,404
Here's somebody who was born
to do this and is doing it.
1943
01:27:15,578 --> 01:27:17,884
There's just those rare times
where you feel like
1944
01:27:18,058 --> 01:27:20,147
someone was put on the planet
to show you
1945
01:27:20,322 --> 01:27:22,672
what rock 'n' roll music is.
1946
01:27:23,107 --> 01:27:24,543
It could be Bowie.
It could be Kurt Cobain.
1947
01:27:24,717 --> 01:27:26,023
It's definitely Joan Jett.
1948
01:27:26,328 --> 01:27:28,765
[cheering continues]
1949
01:27:29,069 --> 01:27:31,202
I was really gonna try
not to cry and be tough,
1950
01:27:31,376 --> 01:27:33,378
but that's
a little overwhelming there.
1951
01:27:33,552 --> 01:27:34,379
Thank you very much.
1952
01:27:34,901 --> 01:27:37,513
[cheering and applause]
1953
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,432
First off, I really want
to acknowledge my parents,
1954
01:27:43,606 --> 01:27:47,305
Jim and Dottie, who can only be
with us in spirit,
1955
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:48,654
which I know they are.
1956
01:27:49,612 --> 01:27:51,614
Hey, Mom and Dad,
did you ever think
1957
01:27:51,788 --> 01:27:54,007
that Christmas guitar
would lead to this?
1958
01:27:54,181 --> 01:27:55,835
[laughter]
1959
01:27:56,358 --> 01:27:57,968
I want to be a release.
1960
01:27:58,577 --> 01:28:01,450
I want to be a hard release,
a good release,
1961
01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:03,582
a primal release.
1962
01:28:04,104 --> 01:28:06,716
You do a primal scream,
but it's not at someone
1963
01:28:06,890 --> 01:28:10,372
or breaking something, it's, "Aah!" just into the air
1964
01:28:10,546 --> 01:28:12,983
about appreciation
being alive, you know?
1965
01:28:13,418 --> 01:28:15,681
Kenny: This is a family
that's been together
1966
01:28:16,465 --> 01:28:21,557
since 1979 and never wavered
from each other.
1967
01:28:21,731 --> 01:28:23,254
Joan: It's all of us.
1968
01:28:23,776 --> 01:28:26,736
We all get support and love
and strength from each other
1969
01:28:26,910 --> 01:28:30,522
and feel like we can go to each other when we need to.
1970
01:28:31,131 --> 01:28:32,959
And I think
that's really important,
1971
01:28:33,220 --> 01:28:36,006
to be able to feel vulnerable
to the people you work with
1972
01:28:36,180 --> 01:28:38,791
and be able to feel like
they've got your back.
1973
01:28:39,401 --> 01:28:42,578
If you want to get really deep, there are no two things.
1974
01:28:42,752 --> 01:28:44,014
We're all one.
1975
01:28:44,493 --> 01:28:46,582
Woman: I want to tell you
a story about Joan
1976
01:28:47,234 --> 01:28:48,410
being a wonderful woman.
1977
01:28:49,454 --> 01:28:52,109
I want to tell you a story
about how people say
1978
01:28:52,283 --> 01:28:54,764
that she opened the door
for women in rock.
1979
01:28:54,938 --> 01:28:56,983
And I don't think she opened
the door.
1980
01:28:57,854 --> 01:28:59,334
I think she took out
a sledgehammer,
1981
01:28:59,508 --> 01:29:01,597
and she knocked down
the whole damn wall.
1982
01:29:02,032 --> 01:29:05,209
[crowd cheering]
1983
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,566
[a Capella] ♪ I don't give
A damn 'bout my reputation ♪
1984
01:29:16,133 --> 01:29:18,831
♪ You're living in the past
It's a new generation ♪
1985
01:29:20,398 --> 01:29:22,879
♪ And a girl can do
What she wants to do ♪
1986
01:29:23,053 --> 01:29:25,098
♪ And that's
What I'm gonna do ♪
1987
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,275
♪ And I don't give a damn
'Bout my bad reputation ♪
1988
01:29:28,450 --> 01:29:31,540
♪ ["Fresh Start" by Joan Jett
and the Blackhearts plays] ♪
1989
01:29:33,498 --> 01:29:34,978
Ow!
1990
01:29:37,415 --> 01:29:39,896
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
1991
01:29:42,855 --> 01:29:45,336
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
1992
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:48,252
♪ Sometimes I feel like
I've been here before ♪
1993
01:29:48,513 --> 01:29:51,081
♪ It's like the past knocking
On my door ♪
1994
01:29:51,342 --> 01:29:53,692
♪ Sometimes I feel like
I'm standing still ♪
1995
01:29:53,997 --> 01:29:56,913
♪ Or better yet
I'm runnin' up a hill, hey ♪
1996
01:30:02,484 --> 01:30:05,051
♪ Sometimes I feel like
I need a crutch ♪
1997
01:30:05,312 --> 01:30:08,185
♪ Sometimes I feel like
It's all too much ♪
1998
01:30:08,446 --> 01:30:10,970
♪ Sometimes I wonder
What are we in for ♪
1999
01:30:11,144 --> 01:30:13,495
♪ And if I wanna do it
Anymore ♪
2000
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:16,367
♪ I need a fresh start,
Let's go back to the top ♪
2001
01:30:16,541 --> 01:30:19,283
♪ Rewind the tape
And reset the clock ♪
2002
01:30:19,544 --> 01:30:23,505
♪ This time
There's no turning back ♪
2003
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,290
♪ Hey! ♪
2004
01:30:28,684 --> 01:30:31,426
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
2005
01:30:34,472 --> 01:30:36,779
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
2006
01:30:37,083 --> 01:30:39,825
♪ So you say
You're not satisfied ♪
2007
01:30:39,999 --> 01:30:42,567
♪ And you want
A bigger piece of pie ♪
2008
01:30:42,741 --> 01:30:45,048
♪ Take my advice,
Don't hesitate ♪
2009
01:30:45,527 --> 01:30:47,790
♪ Before you know it,
It'll be too late ♪
2010
01:30:47,964 --> 01:30:51,010
♪ To make a fresh start
And go back to the top ♪
2011
01:30:51,184 --> 01:30:53,578
♪ Rewind the tape
And reset the clock ♪
2012
01:30:54,013 --> 01:30:58,017
♪ This time
We're not gonna stop ♪
2013
01:30:59,149 --> 01:31:02,369
♪ That's right, a fresh start
And go back to the top ♪
2014
01:31:02,631 --> 01:31:05,155
♪ Rewind the tape
And reset the clock ♪
2015
01:31:05,416 --> 01:31:09,551
♪ And this time
There's no turning back ♪
2016
01:31:10,508 --> 01:31:11,553
♪ All right ♪
2017
01:31:14,599 --> 01:31:17,297
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
2018
01:31:20,344 --> 01:31:22,781
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, ow ♪
2019
01:31:46,022 --> 01:31:48,807
♪ Sometimes I feel like
I've been here before ♪
2020
01:31:48,981 --> 01:31:51,375
♪ Is that the past knocking
On my door? ♪
2021
01:31:51,636 --> 01:31:54,378
♪ Sometimes I feel like
I'm standing still ♪
2022
01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:57,207
♪ Or better yet,
I'm running up a hill ♪
2023
01:31:57,642 --> 01:32:00,253
♪ Don't wanna hear
That you're feeling old ♪
2024
01:32:00,427 --> 01:32:03,518
♪ Times are tough,
You better search your soul ♪
2025
01:32:03,692 --> 01:32:05,998
♪ There's some time
For one more dance ♪
2026
01:32:06,172 --> 01:32:08,305
♪ We may never
Get another chance ♪
2027
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,438
♪ To make a fresh start
And go back to the top ♪
2028
01:32:11,613 --> 01:32:14,398
♪ Rewind the tape
And reset the clock ♪
2029
01:32:14,572 --> 01:32:18,184
♪ This time
We're not gonna stop ♪
2030
01:32:19,621 --> 01:32:22,493
♪ That's right, a fresh start, And go back to the top ♪
2031
01:32:22,667 --> 01:32:25,670
♪ Rewind the tape
And reset the clock ♪
2032
01:32:25,844 --> 01:32:30,109
♪ This time
We're not gonna stop ♪
2033
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,767
♪ This time
There's no turning back ♪
2034
01:32:37,421 --> 01:32:41,817
♪ This time
We're not gonna stop ♪
2035
01:32:43,079 --> 01:32:47,387
♪ This time
There's no turning back ♪
2036
01:32:48,693 --> 01:32:52,958
♪ This time
We're not gonna stop ♪
2037
01:32:54,307 --> 01:32:58,834
♪ This time
There's no turning back ♪
2038
01:33:00,139 --> 01:33:03,621
♪ This time
We're not gonna stop ♪
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