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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented
by two separate yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Why you eat that crap?
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Tastes good.
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What's wrong with our pizza?
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Not for breakfast.
The tomato gives me that acid reflux.
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Don't you ever let your
mother hear you say that.
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Whoa, Pop!
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What?
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Oh, dear God.
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White male, late teens,
early 20s.
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Stab wound to the chest,
pretty deep.
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Time of death?
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From lividity and body temp,
my guess'd be 2:00 to 5:00 this morning.
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Any luck with
the murder weapon?
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ESU's still lookin'.
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Well, the wallet's gone.
No cash, no ID.
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Check out this blood trail.
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We also found traces of blood
on the sidewalk out front.
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So, the guy gets jumped
out there...
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Yeah, and dragged back here
to rest in peace. Who found the body?
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Pizza guys,
opening for the day.
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So, maybe he came by
for a slice.
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Well, he got one.
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I don't remember him
comin' in here,
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but we do a pretty good
business at night.
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How late were you open?
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The last customers
trickled in about 1:45. We locked up by 2:30.
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Anybody see or hear
anything strange?
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Nothing strange
but the customers.
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What do you mean?
At that hour?
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Mostly hookers and hustlers
comin' east off the river.
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Kills me.
What?
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SAL SR.: That These people
come in here all strung out.
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Neighborhood's had
two muggings in the past week.
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Some of these guys are
wearin' skirts and heels.
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I mean, they even use
the ladies' room.
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So, we're looking for
a killer transvestite?
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Yeah, with a taste
for sausage.
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We talked to the RIP guys.
There's no word on any dangerous transvestite.
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But we did get the fives
on the two recent muggings.
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Yeah, one of the perps
was picked up
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on a turnstile jump
a few days ago. He's in Rikers.
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Well, that's
a convincing alibi. And the other one?
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Purse snatcher,
still at large.
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The beat cops
are canvassing with his description.
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Well, what about our victim?
Does he have a name yet?
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Computers have been down
all morning.
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Cordova's just running
the prints now.
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Well, tell me
we got something from the crime scene.
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Well, according to
the Medical Examiner,
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John Doe was killed with
a 6-inch blade, curved and very sharp.
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A hunting knife or some
kind of tool, maybe.
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Got a hit off of BCI.
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Victim's name is
Andrew Hatcher,
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but there's no listing
of him in the city.
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BRISCOE: What was
the collar for?
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It was sealed two years back.
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Well, it could be
because he was a YO.
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There's just a name, date
and location of arrest. Washington Square Park.
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Eighth Precinct.
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Find out who ran
the conditions car that day.
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Mostly we'd break up
gangs of kids gettin' high.
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They got rowdy,
we'd toss 'em in the truck.
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In my day we called it
The Goon Squad.
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You recognize this kid?
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Mmm.
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Sorry.
Well, you made the collar.
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Your remember
anything about it?
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Andrew Hatcher,
October 12th, 2000.
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We know it was a while back,
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but we were hopin'
maybe this kid made an impression.
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No, not him, the date.
October 12th, Columbus Day.
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Is that a big day for you?
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Student protest
at Stuyvesant College.
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Five hundred years
of American imperialism or some crap.
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There's always a few
who take it too far.
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You know,
throw a bottle or somethin'.
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So, you sure the protest
was that year?
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Yeah, it happens every year
Except for this one, of course.
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And these were
all college kids?
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Who else is gonna
protest a holiday?
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Here we go. Andrew Hatcher,
currently a senior.
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What about an address?
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427, Lakeview Drive,
Amherst, Massachusetts.
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That must be the parents.
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Or it's a hell of a commute.
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No New York address?
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These kids
move around so much.
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All I have for Hatcher
is a PO box at the student union.
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What about a class schedule?
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Journalism 415.
Sociology 305, Group Dynamics.
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History 230, Economics
and Social Injustice.
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Earth Science 307.
Environmental Ethics.
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GREEN: How about a class
this afternoon?
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Earth Science lecture's
in half an hour.
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You want to check that out?
See if anybody knows where he lives?
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If I can sit in the back.
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Thank you.
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NORTON: Andy's been
my roommate for the past six months.
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Yeah, we talked to
a student who told us Andy had Journalism class
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yesterday until 3:00.
Did you see him after that?
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The last time I saw Andy
was around 5:00 p.m. He was comin', I was goin'.
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We talked about seein'
this band on Saturday.
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We're just tryin' to
figure out where he might've gone last night.
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He didn't mention
anything to me.
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Man, none of this
seems real.
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Is this Andy's stuff?
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We were gonna switch rooms
at the end of the semester.
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I'd like to
take a look around,
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see if he left a date book
or messages or something.
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Sure, go ahead.
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We found him in Chelsea
near 14th Street.
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You know of any places
he liked to hang out around there?
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Uh, any bars maybe.
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Andy didn't drink
on week nights.
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It's more likely
he was at the library.
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Lennie.
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Is this yours or Andy's?
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Hey,
we're homicide, not vice. Don't worry about it.
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But you gotta help us out.
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Now, is this recreational
or did he sell, or what?
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We were just buying
dime bags for ourselves.
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GREEN: Buying them from where?
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Sometimes 14th
near where you said.
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But I swear,
it was always just dimes. (CELL PHONE RINGING)
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Yeah, Green.
Did you buy from anybody in particular?
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You just walk
up and down the street and someone shows up.
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It's like a different dealer
every time.
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Lennie,
the parents are comin' in.
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We're gonna have to
take this with us.
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I should've called the police.
I knew something was wrong.
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GREEN: Mrs. Hatcher, can you
tell us what happened?
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Andy called me
early this morning but we got cut off.
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I kept calling back,
but there was no answer.
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What time did your son call,
Mrs. Hatcher?
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A little after 9:00 a.m.
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I picked up the phone,
but there was no one there.
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What made you think
it was him?
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We have caller ID.
The number was Andy's cell phone.
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We didn't find a cell phone
with your son's belongings.
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Andy never went anywhere
without that phone.
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This had already happened
by 5:00 a.m.,
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so it wasn't Andy
that called you.
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Then who was it?
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Hey, according to
the cell phone company,
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there's no way to trace
the phone's location with that model.
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You get something for me?
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They didn't have any tofu.
What about the LUDs?
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Well, we got a few noteworthy
phone calls this morning.
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First off, we got 9:04 a.m.,
508 area code, four seconds long.
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The call to Mom.
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Exactly. The guy probably
hit redial by mistake.
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But check this out
9:57 a.m.
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Almost an hour later.
Uh-huh.
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212 area code.
Call lasted four minutes, 36 seconds.
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Pretty talkative
for a dead guy. Exactly.
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You want half?
Mmm-mmm.
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ZWYBEL: Nobody called here
this morning.
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I was at work by 8:00,
and my daughter was in school.
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Phone records don't lie,
Mr. Zwybel.
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Well, maybe it was
a wrong number or something.
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The call lasted
almost five minutes. Somebody was here.
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Katie!
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Were you in school today?
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Yeah.
You tellin' me the truth?
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Yeah.
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Well, then who was here
talkin' on the phone this morning?
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Okay, I went in late.
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I only missed gym.
I swear.
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We'll talk about this later.
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GREEN: Who called you, Katie?
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Bobby.
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Bobby Foster.
Kid from the neighborhood.
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BRISCOE: What'd he say to you?
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Just that he got
a new cell this morning.
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Do you know
where we can find him?
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Yeah, he plays ball every day
after school at the projects.
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Yo, Iverson.
We need to talk.
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Yo, but the game...
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Consider yourself benched.
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You made a phone call
to your friend Katie this morning?
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Yeah, but I didn't do
anything wrong.
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Well, then you got
nothin' to worry about.
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Just tell us
where you got the phone.
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I bought it.
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You bought it? From who?
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This isn't a game, Bobby.
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The kid who owned that phone
is dead.
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What?
Jimmy killed some dude?
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GREEN: Jimmy who?
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I don't know.
He's this hustler.
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He works on the corner
near my school.
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He sold me the phone
for 5 bucks.
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Where is it?
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My friend Ron told me
I was a fool.
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He said I'd probably
get busted for it.
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So, I threw it under a subway
after I called Katie.
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Where can we find this Jimmy?
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He hangs out on 12th.
Wears a red leather jacket. You can't miss him.
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What do you want?
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What you sellin', Jimmy?
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You lookin' for a date, cop?
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How much for just a feel?
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Oh, I guess
you take it for free, man.
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Oh, this looks like
stolen property, Ed.
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"To Andy.
Love, Mom and Dad."
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Just once I'd like to make
one of you bastards break the news to the parents.
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His name's Andrew Hatcher.
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You tried to sell him
some weed, right?
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Maybe he didn't like
the size of your bags.
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You two get into an argument,
the next thing know, it was you or him.
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The D.A. might even
reduce the charge to manslaughter, Jimmy,
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if that's what happened.
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I don't sell drugs.
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No, you just use 'em, right?
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I got it under control.
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Well, if it wasn't drugs,
then what were you doin' with Andy?
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Nothin' man.
I've never seen this kid before.
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Then how'd you wind up
with his cell phone?
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You're not gonna believe me,
so what's the point?
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The point is
you got nothin' to lose.
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Found it in a dumpster
this morning.
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(CHUCKLES) You're right.
I don't believe you.
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It's where
I was hidin' my stash.
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There was other stuff
in there, too.
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What kind of stuff?
A wallet.
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What'd you do with it?
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I left it there.
It was all messed up.
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What do you mean,
messed up?
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Blood on it.
Man, I didn't want to touch that. Got diseases.
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This from a guy
who keeps his stuff in a dumpster.
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GREEN:
Is this dumpster still there?
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They only move it
once a week.
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Let's go.
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You sure
this is the right one?
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Yeah.
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Look at this.
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00:11:17,710 --> 00:11:19,189
It's a portable pharmacy.
243
00:11:19,244 --> 00:11:24,250
And a bloody wallet
belonging to one Andrew Hatcher.
244
00:11:25,584 --> 00:11:27,063
What's the matter, Jimmy?
245
00:11:27,119 --> 00:11:29,099
Didn't even want to take
the 8 bucks cash?
246
00:11:29,154 --> 00:11:30,827
Look, I told you,
I didn't touch it.
247
00:11:31,256 --> 00:11:32,963
Nothin' else in here
but sand.
248
00:11:33,025 --> 00:11:34,060
Can I go now?
249
00:11:34,126 --> 00:11:36,470
Oh, you're not off the hook
that easy, punk.
250
00:11:36,528 --> 00:11:39,202
Cops are searchin'
the whole neighborhood now for the murder weapon.
251
00:11:39,264 --> 00:11:41,437
Once they find it,
they're gonna check it for your prints.
252
00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:43,446
Why would I show you all this
if I killed that kid?
253
00:11:43,502 --> 00:11:45,675
Because that stuff
doesn't even point the finger at you.
254
00:11:45,738 --> 00:11:48,582
Detectives.
We found something.
255
00:11:52,478 --> 00:11:54,219
Don't need a lab test
to tell us that's blood.
256
00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:55,758
With any luck
it's the victim's.
257
00:11:55,814 --> 00:11:58,055
Victim's blood,
killer's shirt. This yours?
258
00:11:58,117 --> 00:11:59,425
No, that ain't mine.
259
00:11:59,485 --> 00:12:00,862
Can you run this over
to the lab?
260
00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:02,796
Yeah, we're gonna need
a sample from your suspect.
261
00:12:02,855 --> 00:12:04,425
Test for a match
on the shirt.
262
00:12:04,490 --> 00:12:06,163
Hair, fibers, blood,
everything.
263
00:12:06,225 --> 00:12:09,297
Get ready to
open a vein, Jimmy if you got any left.
264
00:12:10,829 --> 00:12:12,831
After excluding a few leaves
and some rain water,
265
00:12:12,898 --> 00:12:14,775
I ran serology
and fiber analysis tests
266
00:12:14,833 --> 00:12:16,506
on every square centimeter
of the shirt.
267
00:12:16,568 --> 00:12:18,912
Your victim's blood was
all over it. Thanks.
268
00:12:18,971 --> 00:12:20,575
But no match
for our suspect?
269
00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:22,516
I found a few hair shafts,
but they were all gray,
270
00:12:22,574 --> 00:12:24,315
not consistent
with the suspect.
271
00:12:24,877 --> 00:12:26,015
I guess Jimmy
caught a break.
272
00:12:26,078 --> 00:12:27,614
But I did find
something significant.
273
00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,625
Something significant
about the perp, I hope.
274
00:12:29,682 --> 00:12:31,787
Not unless your killer's
got hooves.
275
00:12:32,017 --> 00:12:34,759
When I first ran
the immunologic test on the samples,
276
00:12:34,820 --> 00:12:37,198
I got a non-human
antibody response.
277
00:12:37,256 --> 00:12:39,167
I'm thinking
you get that a lot.
278
00:12:39,458 --> 00:12:41,597
Well, take a look at this.
279
00:12:43,228 --> 00:12:45,765
Uh, these are magnified
microscopic photos
280
00:12:45,831 --> 00:12:48,437
of actual red blood cells
taken from the samples.
281
00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:51,037
Do you see the large area of
central pallor in this one?
282
00:12:51,103 --> 00:12:53,879
I see a white spot
surrounded by a red spot.
283
00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:55,816
That's a normal human
red blood cell.
284
00:12:55,874 --> 00:12:57,182
So, what's the other one?
285
00:12:58,210 --> 00:12:59,655
Bovine.
286
00:13:02,815 --> 00:13:06,763
As in cow?
Does that mean our killer had steak for dinner?
287
00:13:06,819 --> 00:13:08,992
The lab tech says
the blood cells were still intact,
288
00:13:09,054 --> 00:13:10,795
meaning that the blood
was uncooked.
289
00:13:10,856 --> 00:13:14,599
So, the killer handled
raw beef. A butcher?
290
00:13:14,660 --> 00:13:18,631
The shirt was found in
a sewer at Washington and Gansevoort Streets.
291
00:13:18,697 --> 00:13:21,177
That's right in the heart of
the Meatpacking District.
292
00:13:21,233 --> 00:13:22,337
Well, that makes sense.
293
00:13:22,401 --> 00:13:24,381
Besides prostitutes
and junkies,
294
00:13:24,436 --> 00:13:28,043
meatpackers would be the
only activity in the area at 4:00 a.m.
295
00:13:28,107 --> 00:13:30,485
Hey, do you remember
the M.E.'s profile of the murder weapon?
296
00:13:30,542 --> 00:13:32,317
A 6-inch curved blade.
297
00:13:32,377 --> 00:13:34,755
Uh-huh.
We did some checking.
298
00:13:35,147 --> 00:13:37,093
It's consistent with
a butcher's boning knife.
299
00:13:37,583 --> 00:13:40,587
All right,
show Hatcher's photo around the meat plants.
300
00:13:44,223 --> 00:13:47,067
Put those sides in
the walk-in for now.
301
00:13:47,126 --> 00:13:48,434
Are you the manager?
302
00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:50,804
I'm the owner,
Arthur King. Why?
303
00:13:50,863 --> 00:13:54,902
Any of you guys seen
this man around here? His name's Andrew Hatcher.
304
00:13:55,801 --> 00:13:57,075
Don't recognize him.
305
00:13:57,569 --> 00:13:58,980
Mind if I talk
to your workers?
306
00:14:00,539 --> 00:14:03,019
Look, we got 10,000 cuts
to make this shift.
307
00:14:03,642 --> 00:14:05,315
We'll try to stay
out of the way.
308
00:14:10,983 --> 00:14:12,519
(QUESTIONS IN SPANISH)
309
00:14:13,485 --> 00:14:15,396
(SPEAKING SPANISH)
310
00:14:15,454 --> 00:14:16,694
(SPEAKING SPANISH)
311
00:14:16,755 --> 00:14:17,961
He was lookin' for someone.
312
00:14:18,023 --> 00:14:19,127
Who?
313
00:14:19,191 --> 00:14:21,432
Mike Bledsoe.
He worked here two years ago.
314
00:14:21,493 --> 00:14:23,666
You know what he wanted
to talk to Bledsoe about?
315
00:14:23,729 --> 00:14:25,572
No.
But he said it was important.
316
00:14:25,631 --> 00:14:28,305
I told him Bledsoe lives
in Brooklyn somewhere.
317
00:14:28,367 --> 00:14:31,007
How come you didn't
want to tell us this in front of your boss?
318
00:14:31,069 --> 00:14:33,447
Mr. King think about
only one thing, quota.
319
00:14:33,972 --> 00:14:36,248
BRISCOE: When's the last time
you saw the kid in the picture?
320
00:14:36,441 --> 00:14:37,852
(SPEAKING SPANISH)
321
00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:43,260
He says that Hatcher
was here last Wednesday. When'd you start work?
322
00:14:43,582 --> 00:14:44,925
Midnight.
323
00:14:44,983 --> 00:14:47,520
Couple of hours before
Hatcher punched out.
324
00:14:47,586 --> 00:14:49,224
Gracias.
De nada.
325
00:14:50,856 --> 00:14:52,028
Sorry, I don't know him.
326
00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:55,401
Take another look,
Mr. Bledsoe. His name's Andrew Hatcher.
327
00:14:55,460 --> 00:14:57,804
You may have
been the last person to see him alive.
328
00:14:57,863 --> 00:15:00,639
I'm tellin' you,
I've never seen him before. What's this about?
329
00:15:00,899 --> 00:15:02,207
This kid was
a college student.
330
00:15:02,267 --> 00:15:04,975
He got knifed to death
a few days ago in the Meatpacking District.
331
00:15:05,037 --> 00:15:06,448
What's that got
to do with me?
332
00:15:06,505 --> 00:15:08,178
Some of the workers
at Elite Meats
333
00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,516
said he came in on
Wednesday askin' for you.
334
00:15:10,576 --> 00:15:13,056
He said he needed to
talk to you about something.
335
00:15:13,111 --> 00:15:14,556
I don't know about what.
336
00:15:14,980 --> 00:15:18,120
So, you're tellin' us
you have no idea why this kid would come lookin' for you?
337
00:15:18,717 --> 00:15:21,891
Look, someone called me
the other night.
338
00:15:22,754 --> 00:15:24,233
I don't know,
could've been him.
339
00:15:24,289 --> 00:15:25,893
BRISCOE: Did you talk to him?
340
00:15:26,592 --> 00:15:28,902
Left a message on my machine.
341
00:15:28,961 --> 00:15:31,134
I thought it was one of those,
uh, solicitation calls,
342
00:15:31,196 --> 00:15:32,675
so I never called back.
343
00:15:32,731 --> 00:15:34,369
You still got the message?
344
00:15:34,433 --> 00:15:35,844
Think so.
345
00:15:41,974 --> 00:15:45,080
My name's Andrew Hatcher,
and I have a few questions I'd like to ask you.
346
00:15:45,143 --> 00:15:50,718
You can reach me
at the NYPIRG office at 212-555-0101. Thank you.
347
00:15:50,849 --> 00:15:52,590
NYPIRG?
348
00:15:58,023 --> 00:16:00,230
COREY: New York Public
Interest Research Group.
349
00:16:00,292 --> 00:16:03,364
We oversee students interested
in public service issues.
350
00:16:03,428 --> 00:16:06,034
Andy was a very
proactive volunteer.
351
00:16:06,531 --> 00:16:09,307
You don't think this has
something to do with his work here, do you?
352
00:16:09,368 --> 00:16:10,870
At this point,
we don't really know.
353
00:16:10,936 --> 00:16:14,247
Can you tell us why
Andy would visit this meatpacking plant?
354
00:16:14,673 --> 00:16:16,778
He was very interested
in animal rights.
355
00:16:16,842 --> 00:16:19,322
I didn't realize that
they brought livestock into Manhattan.
356
00:16:19,711 --> 00:16:22,191
Elite Meats owns
a slaughterhouse upstate.
357
00:16:22,247 --> 00:16:25,626
The carcasses are cut
and processed in the Meatpacking District.
358
00:16:25,684 --> 00:16:27,721
What's that got to do
with animal rights?
359
00:16:27,786 --> 00:16:30,096
It was how they killed
and gutted the cows.
360
00:16:30,689 --> 00:16:32,032
Andy was doing research.
361
00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:34,161
GREEN: Are there any files
on the work he was doing?
362
00:16:34,893 --> 00:16:36,873
Just an expense report.
363
00:16:40,899 --> 00:16:43,402
Looks like he submitted
some receipts for some film.
364
00:16:43,468 --> 00:16:44,572
He was taking pictures?
365
00:16:44,636 --> 00:16:48,106
I don't know.
But he bought the film at a place called Photofast.
366
00:16:50,876 --> 00:16:54,619
Hatcher.
4 by 6, matte finish. Been ready since Wednesday.
367
00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,318
GREEN: We need to take
a look at those.
368
00:16:56,915 --> 00:16:58,952
Guy's been in here
a couple of times this month.
369
00:16:59,017 --> 00:17:00,519
Usually he picks 'em up
right away.
370
00:17:00,585 --> 00:17:02,030
Yeah,
he's had a rough week.
371
00:17:02,087 --> 00:17:03,464
Oh, look at this.
372
00:17:08,226 --> 00:17:10,706
It's enough to make me
want to take up tofu.
373
00:17:12,864 --> 00:17:14,366
Isn't that Arthur King?
374
00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,771
Mr. Elite Meats.
375
00:17:16,835 --> 00:17:18,439
GREEN:
Arthur King in the plant.
376
00:17:18,503 --> 00:17:20,176
Arthur King
on the loading dock.
377
00:17:21,607 --> 00:17:24,611
Arthur King in blue denim.
378
00:17:25,611 --> 00:17:28,785
All right, watch Miguel.
See how he cuts along the bone?
379
00:17:28,847 --> 00:17:32,294
(SPEAKING SPANISH)
380
00:17:32,784 --> 00:17:35,458
And remember,
fast, fast, fast. R?pido.
381
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,828
Mr. King.
382
00:17:37,222 --> 00:17:38,895
What's goin' on?
You're coming with us.
383
00:17:38,957 --> 00:17:40,231
Hey, I got a plant
to run here.
384
00:17:40,292 --> 00:17:41,771
That's gonna have to wait.
385
00:17:41,827 --> 00:17:44,239
Well, what's this about?
A blue denim shirt.
386
00:17:46,632 --> 00:17:49,806
A lot easier when they
don't fight back, huh?
387
00:17:53,972 --> 00:17:57,818
Andrew Hatcher,
the college kid who was nosin' around your plant.
388
00:17:57,876 --> 00:18:00,220
The one you said
you don't remember seeing.
389
00:18:00,278 --> 00:18:02,952
I didn't.
He was killed with a boning knife,
390
00:18:03,015 --> 00:18:05,222
the same kind you use
at your plant.
391
00:18:05,284 --> 00:18:08,094
Oh, everybody
in the meat business uses that kind of knife.
392
00:18:08,153 --> 00:18:10,224
Everybody in the meat
business wear these?
393
00:18:10,289 --> 00:18:12,735
Some of that blood belongs
to the kid you filleted.
394
00:18:12,791 --> 00:18:14,202
You recognize the shirt?
395
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,264
No.
396
00:18:16,328 --> 00:18:18,831
BRISCOE: A picture's worth
a thousand words.
397
00:18:20,632 --> 00:18:23,636
What's the matter?
You look like you're about to have a cow.
398
00:18:25,570 --> 00:18:27,049
It's not my shirt.
399
00:18:27,105 --> 00:18:29,176
GREEN: You know, that's funny,
because one of your cutters said that
400
00:18:29,241 --> 00:18:31,653
you finished the night
wearing just a T-shirt.
401
00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:33,018
Is it because
you ditched that?
402
00:18:34,813 --> 00:18:37,760
BRISCOE: We're havin'
a warm winter, Artie, but it's not that warm.
403
00:18:37,816 --> 00:18:40,729
Look, am I under arrest,
or what?
404
00:18:44,856 --> 00:18:46,335
Good question.
405
00:18:46,858 --> 00:18:49,168
Anything other than
the photograph tying King to the shirt?
406
00:18:49,227 --> 00:18:52,538
Well, the fiber analysis
says there's a 75% chance
407
00:18:52,597 --> 00:18:54,941
the hair strands on it
came from King.
408
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,138
What about the DNA?
409
00:18:56,201 --> 00:18:59,478
The hair follicle
has to be intact for them to make a comparison.
410
00:18:59,538 --> 00:19:01,575
These are only hair shafts.
411
00:19:01,973 --> 00:19:03,919
I suppose there's no chance
of finding the murder weapon.
412
00:19:03,975 --> 00:19:05,977
Well, he probably brought it
back to the plant.
413
00:19:06,044 --> 00:19:09,958
Any blood on it
would be mixed with 20 different cows by now.
414
00:19:10,015 --> 00:19:11,517
That's a pleasant thought.
415
00:19:11,583 --> 00:19:14,120
Do you want us to
release him or book him?
416
00:19:15,187 --> 00:19:16,564
Arrest him.
417
00:19:21,159 --> 00:19:22,968
Can we get an indictment?
418
00:19:23,028 --> 00:19:26,635
Well, we've got enough
circumstantial evidence to establish probable cause.
419
00:19:26,698 --> 00:19:29,304
I figured the arrest
buys us time to find something more concrete.
420
00:19:29,368 --> 00:19:30,779
Where are we on motive?
421
00:19:31,403 --> 00:19:32,746
The victim was
a college student.
422
00:19:32,804 --> 00:19:34,442
It seems like he was looking
into the possibilities
423
00:19:34,506 --> 00:19:37,009
of animal rights violations
at King's plant.
424
00:19:37,509 --> 00:19:39,216
What type of violations?
425
00:19:39,611 --> 00:19:43,149
Something to do with how
they were killing their cows, handling the carcasses.
426
00:19:43,982 --> 00:19:45,859
So, King murders him?
427
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,621
Pretty lean.
428
00:19:49,588 --> 00:19:52,899
Apparently Hatcher
was about to make contact with a Michael Bledsoe
429
00:19:52,958 --> 00:19:54,198
right when he was killed.
430
00:19:54,259 --> 00:19:57,502
Bledsoe worked at King's plant
about two years back.
431
00:19:57,562 --> 00:20:00,668
What could this Bledsoe
have to say that would be worth killing over?
432
00:20:00,732 --> 00:20:03,838
He wasn't exactly forthcoming
with Briscoe and Green.
433
00:20:04,603 --> 00:20:08,176
But Briscoe and Green couldn't
drop a subpoena on him.
434
00:20:09,474 --> 00:20:12,614
I already
told those detectives I never met the kid.
435
00:20:13,011 --> 00:20:15,514
Then what is it you think
he wanted to talk to you about, Mr. Bledsoe?
436
00:20:15,580 --> 00:20:16,991
I have no idea.
437
00:20:17,048 --> 00:20:19,324
Well, the police seem
to think you might.
438
00:20:19,384 --> 00:20:21,887
Did it have anything to do
with the slaughter practices at your old job?
439
00:20:21,953 --> 00:20:24,627
If I never talked to him,
I wouldn't know, would I?
440
00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:27,800
Well, the people at Elite
gave him your name. Why would they do that?
441
00:20:27,859 --> 00:20:28,963
Ask them.
442
00:20:29,027 --> 00:20:30,233
I'm asking you.
443
00:20:30,295 --> 00:20:31,706
And if I have to
ask you again,
444
00:20:31,763 --> 00:20:33,333
it'll be in front of
a grand jury.
445
00:20:33,398 --> 00:20:36,845
Ask me
anywhere you want, but I can't talk about Elite.
446
00:20:37,169 --> 00:20:38,477
You'd be under subpoena.
447
00:20:38,537 --> 00:20:39,641
I don't know what that means.
448
00:20:39,704 --> 00:20:43,151
All I know is
the lawyer said if I talk I could lose my pension.
449
00:20:44,142 --> 00:20:45,280
What lawyer?
450
00:20:45,343 --> 00:20:47,880
The one who had me sign
the confidentiality agreement.
451
00:20:47,946 --> 00:20:50,586
You signed
a confidentiality agreement when you left Elite?
452
00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:52,686
Just speak to the lawyer,
okay?
453
00:20:52,751 --> 00:20:53,855
What's the lawyer's name?
454
00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:55,330
I don't know.
455
00:20:55,387 --> 00:20:57,765
Some guy who works
for AgriStar Enterprises.
456
00:20:58,824 --> 00:21:00,735
If he didn't work for Elite,
why did he have you sign...
457
00:21:00,792 --> 00:21:02,533
Look, miss,
you gotta talk to the lawyer,
458
00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:04,369
or else subpoena me
or whatever.
459
00:21:04,429 --> 00:21:07,035
But I'm not riskin'
my pension here, okay?
460
00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:16,041
Jim Dittmar,
AgriStar's corporate counsel.
461
00:21:16,107 --> 00:21:18,212
Hi.
And this is Bill Talbot, our CEO.
462
00:21:18,276 --> 00:21:20,085
Happy to help any way we can.
463
00:21:20,478 --> 00:21:22,719
You said on the phone
this concerned Elite Meats?
464
00:21:23,248 --> 00:21:24,784
Well, my office is
investigating a murder
465
00:21:24,849 --> 00:21:27,329
we believe may have
been committed by one of its employees.
466
00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:29,125
Murder?
467
00:21:29,187 --> 00:21:31,633
I'm sorry, this relates
to us in what way?
468
00:21:31,690 --> 00:21:33,727
We know Elite Meats is
one of your food suppliers,
469
00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:35,328
and one of their
former employees told me
470
00:21:35,393 --> 00:21:37,999
that your company had him sign
a confidentiality agreement.
471
00:21:38,063 --> 00:21:39,303
DITTMAR: Who's the employee?
472
00:21:39,364 --> 00:21:40,741
Michael Bledsoe.
473
00:21:41,266 --> 00:21:42,768
I recognize the name.
474
00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:45,246
The agreement was part
of a litigation settlement.
475
00:21:45,303 --> 00:21:47,579
AgriStar was in litigation
with Elite Meats?
476
00:21:47,639 --> 00:21:49,949
Same side of the table.
We were co-defendants.
477
00:21:50,308 --> 00:21:51,753
What were you being sued for?
478
00:21:52,110 --> 00:21:53,612
It was Elite who got sued.
479
00:21:53,678 --> 00:21:55,521
Plaintiffs dragged us in
as a deep pocket.
480
00:21:56,214 --> 00:21:57,352
On what claim?
481
00:21:57,415 --> 00:21:58,894
I'm sorry.
We'd like to help,
482
00:21:58,950 --> 00:22:01,260
but the confidentiality
agreement that binds Elite
483
00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:03,458
and the plaintiffs
binds us as well.
484
00:22:03,521 --> 00:22:04,864
And I can certainly
appreciate that,
485
00:22:04,923 --> 00:22:07,267
but this is now
a homicide investigation.
486
00:22:07,325 --> 00:22:08,895
And it's possible
a murder was committed
487
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,962
to cover up something
that Elite was doing.
488
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:13,475
And what is it you think
Elite was involved in?
489
00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:15,170
Right now,
our best information is that
490
00:22:15,233 --> 00:22:17,873
there may have been some
animal rights violations at the plant.
491
00:22:18,904 --> 00:22:21,180
Well, without
violating confidentiality,
492
00:22:21,239 --> 00:22:25,312
I can assure you that the
lawsuit had nothing to do with animal rights violations.
493
00:22:26,678 --> 00:22:28,055
Then what was it about?
494
00:22:28,113 --> 00:22:31,583
I don't know.
The litigation records were sealed by the court.
495
00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:34,088
Well, if the lawsuit wasn't
about animal rights,
496
00:22:34,152 --> 00:22:36,758
Bledsoe ought to be
able to talk to us about animal rights.
497
00:22:36,821 --> 00:22:38,391
So, either he was
just being uncooperative
498
00:22:38,456 --> 00:22:40,561
or we need to adjust
our motive theory.
499
00:22:40,625 --> 00:22:42,571
Only one way to find out.
500
00:22:42,627 --> 00:22:45,301
Find a witness who didn't sign
a confidentiality agreement.
501
00:22:45,997 --> 00:22:47,704
How about a meat inspector
from the USDA?
502
00:22:47,766 --> 00:22:50,872
Maybe they can tell us
what was going on at King's plant.
503
00:22:51,236 --> 00:22:54,877
Well, slaughtering
infractions were something we investigated initially.
504
00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:56,180
Initially?
505
00:22:56,241 --> 00:22:59,347
Unfortunately,
what we found was something far more serious.
506
00:22:59,778 --> 00:23:00,916
What do you mean?
507
00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:03,350
What do you know
about E. coli?
508
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:07,096
It's a bacteria that can
cause serious infections.
509
00:23:07,152 --> 00:23:09,598
Sometimes it infects
the cow's gut.
510
00:23:10,088 --> 00:23:12,762
If the gut is then
handled improperly,
511
00:23:12,824 --> 00:23:15,566
there's a potential
for a pretty dangerous contamination.
512
00:23:15,627 --> 00:23:17,368
Is that what was
happening at Elite?
513
00:23:17,729 --> 00:23:19,208
If the gutting's
done properly,
514
00:23:19,397 --> 00:23:21,707
the spill rate's less than
half a percent.
515
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,603
We put Elite's at 20%.
516
00:23:24,903 --> 00:23:27,406
But there wasn't
anything we could do about it at the time.
517
00:23:27,505 --> 00:23:29,815
What do you mean?
You're the USDA.
518
00:23:30,642 --> 00:23:33,282
At most,
we can pull our inspectors and seals of approval
519
00:23:33,345 --> 00:23:35,450
if we think a plant
is contaminating meat.
520
00:23:35,947 --> 00:23:37,620
You can't just
shut the plant down?
521
00:23:37,682 --> 00:23:39,457
We've tried
shutting plants down,
522
00:23:39,517 --> 00:23:41,895
but the courts just keep
ruling against us.
523
00:23:41,953 --> 00:23:43,296
Who informs the public?
524
00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:45,328
It's not that simple.
525
00:23:45,390 --> 00:23:48,564
Our response depends on
the severity of the problem.
526
00:23:48,626 --> 00:23:51,835
We can't sound the alarm for
every case of food poisoning.
527
00:23:51,896 --> 00:23:54,672
These companies would be sued
by anyone with a stomach ache.
528
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:57,512
E. colt's a little more
severe than a stomach ache.
529
00:23:57,569 --> 00:24:00,516
Of course it is.
But I don't want you to get the wrong impression.
530
00:24:00,572 --> 00:24:02,574
Elite was just
one problem company
531
00:24:02,641 --> 00:24:05,212
in an otherwise
very responsible industry.
532
00:24:06,544 --> 00:24:08,854
So much for making brisket
this weekend.
533
00:24:08,913 --> 00:24:12,190
Well, the USDA thinks
half of Elite's livestock was infected with E. coli
534
00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:14,321
but says they couldn't
do anything about it.
535
00:24:14,386 --> 00:24:15,558
Half?
536
00:24:15,954 --> 00:24:18,935
They were improperly gutting
one out of every five cows.
537
00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:23,234
So, ground up,
one cow can contaminate 32,000 pounds of beef.
538
00:24:23,294 --> 00:24:26,867
Well, why didn't the USDA
or CDC demand a recall?
539
00:24:26,931 --> 00:24:29,002
Well, the USDA
doesn't have the authority,
540
00:24:29,067 --> 00:24:31,946
and the CDC only finds out
if the company tells them
541
00:24:32,003 --> 00:24:34,279
or if the problem
is widespread.
542
00:24:34,339 --> 00:24:36,751
Makes you wonder
why we even have a USDA.
543
00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:40,415
So, obviously
this kid Hatcher was onto something far more serious
544
00:24:40,478 --> 00:24:42,480
than a few
animal rights violations.
545
00:24:42,547 --> 00:24:45,858
Well, I imagine
news of an E. coli outbreak at King's plant
546
00:24:45,917 --> 00:24:47,328
would cost him his business.
547
00:24:47,385 --> 00:24:49,524
Only the person who
might be able to answer these questions
548
00:24:49,587 --> 00:24:52,067
thinks he's bound by
a confidentiality agreement.
549
00:24:52,123 --> 00:24:56,071
An agreement that covers up
the lawsuit against Elite and AgriStar.
550
00:24:56,127 --> 00:25:00,098
If Elite was contaminating
beef, you can bet that's why they got sued.
551
00:25:00,165 --> 00:25:02,008
And why King killed Hatcher.
552
00:25:02,067 --> 00:25:03,239
He was afraid
he'd blow the whistle
553
00:25:03,301 --> 00:25:05,577
on whatever's in the pages
of that lawsuit.
554
00:25:05,637 --> 00:25:07,207
Most judges aren't
going to like us looking
555
00:25:07,272 --> 00:25:10,014
to try and violate
the privacy of rights of civil litigants.
556
00:25:10,675 --> 00:25:12,348
Find one who will.
557
00:25:14,212 --> 00:25:15,589
I thought this was
a criminal case.
558
00:25:15,647 --> 00:25:17,649
Why are you seeking
discovery of a civil lawsuit?
559
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:19,858
JACK: We believe that
the lawsuit may contain evidence
560
00:25:19,918 --> 00:25:21,591
relating to the
defendant's motive.
561
00:25:21,653 --> 00:25:24,224
Kevin Roth for Arthur King
and Elite Meats, Your Honor.
562
00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:26,599
Mr. McCoy's on
a fishing expedition.
563
00:25:26,658 --> 00:25:30,663
I concur, Your Honor.
Jim Dittmar, counsel to AgriStar Enterprises.
564
00:25:30,728 --> 00:25:33,538
AgriStar is a party to the
confidentiality agreements
565
00:25:33,598 --> 00:25:35,805
Mr. McCoy is looking
to vitiate.
566
00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:37,938
It's the only way we can
get access to evidence
567
00:25:38,002 --> 00:25:39,538
which may be material
to our case.
568
00:25:39,604 --> 00:25:41,242
The key word being "may".
569
00:25:41,306 --> 00:25:45,721
You've got no evidence
to justify violating a valid nondisclosure agreement.
570
00:25:45,777 --> 00:25:48,519
How can we
when the nondisclosure is the very thing
571
00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:50,753
that's frustrating
our investigation?
572
00:25:50,815 --> 00:25:54,786
The agreement is
unenforceable if it frustrates the pursuit of justice.
573
00:25:54,853 --> 00:25:56,890
It's black letter law,
Your Honor.
574
00:25:56,955 --> 00:26:00,767
A contract contrary to the
public good is unenforceable
575
00:26:00,825 --> 00:26:03,271
no matter how many people
wish it wasn't.
576
00:26:03,328 --> 00:26:05,274
I want to look
at the documents. DITTMAR: Your Honor...
577
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:07,776
How can I determine
if the People's motion has any merit
578
00:26:07,832 --> 00:26:09,834
unless I see what
we're fighting over?
579
00:26:11,035 --> 00:26:12,673
Don't worry, Mr. Dittmar,
580
00:26:13,204 --> 00:26:15,309
I'm a steak and potatoes man.
581
00:26:17,075 --> 00:26:19,578
Special delivery
from Judge Grady.
582
00:26:20,779 --> 00:26:24,556
I guess the court's reading
of the documents was different than Mr. Dittmar's.
583
00:26:24,883 --> 00:26:26,521
Elizabeth Lawrence et al.
v.
584
00:26:26,584 --> 00:26:29,588
Elite Meats Incorporated
and AgriStar Enterprises.
585
00:26:31,723 --> 00:26:36,172
Elite was the
Manhattan area supplier of beef patties to Big Bill's.
586
00:26:36,528 --> 00:26:38,030
The fast food chain?
587
00:26:38,563 --> 00:26:42,238
AgriStar was more than
just a deep pocket in this. It owns Big Bill's.
588
00:26:43,001 --> 00:26:47,143
According to the complaint,
Big Bill's patrons were getting E. coli infections.
589
00:26:47,438 --> 00:26:49,543
So, Hatcher was
onto something.
590
00:26:50,475 --> 00:26:52,113
After one of the
customers got sick
591
00:26:52,177 --> 00:26:54,020
their lawyer looked
for other cases,
592
00:26:54,078 --> 00:26:56,718
but AgriStar
pulled out all the stops to force a settlement.
593
00:26:57,682 --> 00:27:01,061
List of affected customers.
Beth Lawrence, age five.
594
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,498
Emily Miller, age four.
Michael Foranda, age three.
595
00:27:04,556 --> 00:27:09,232
Lisa Santos, age three.
Benjamin Davies, age four.
596
00:27:11,496 --> 00:27:13,601
Jack, the plaintiffs' claim
was for wrongful death.
597
00:27:13,665 --> 00:27:15,269
These children are all dead.
598
00:27:24,409 --> 00:27:26,582
Five children dead. How?
599
00:27:26,644 --> 00:27:29,147
They died of organ failure
after contracting E. coli.
600
00:27:29,214 --> 00:27:32,661
It was in the beef
Elite sold to AgriStar's subsidiary, Big Bill's.
601
00:27:32,717 --> 00:27:33,991
It's a fast food chain.
602
00:27:34,452 --> 00:27:35,726
I eat at Big Bill's.
603
00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:37,061
You do?
604
00:27:37,422 --> 00:27:38,958
They have the best fries.
605
00:27:40,892 --> 00:27:43,702
It's amazing that AgriStar
was able to cover this up.
606
00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:46,876
Why wouldn't the plaintiffs
blow the whistle?
607
00:27:46,931 --> 00:27:49,775
I mean, why would somebody
whose child got sick keep quiet?
608
00:27:49,834 --> 00:27:51,745
As a negotiating tactic.
609
00:27:51,803 --> 00:27:54,340
The parents sue for
compensation, not publicity,
610
00:27:54,405 --> 00:27:56,078
but the threat
gives them leverage.
611
00:27:56,141 --> 00:27:58,348
Once they settled,
the confidentiality agreements
612
00:27:58,409 --> 00:28:00,446
make sure everything
got swept under the rug.
613
00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:03,891
Only Andy Hatcher's
investigation threatened to bring it back up
614
00:28:03,948 --> 00:28:05,621
and drive King
out of business.
615
00:28:06,184 --> 00:28:07,857
Not just Arthur King.
616
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:11,731
AgriStar was the one who
put up the confidentiality smoke screen,
617
00:28:11,789 --> 00:28:14,429
and its CEO misled Serena
when she asked what
618
00:28:14,492 --> 00:28:16,768
its connection was
to Hatcher's investigation.
619
00:28:16,828 --> 00:28:18,830
He was protecting his wallet.
620
00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:23,804
Still, it doesn't prove
Talbot had something to do with Hatcher's death.
621
00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:25,412
Well, maybe not Hatcher.
622
00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:27,381
But what about
those five children?
623
00:28:27,438 --> 00:28:31,511
Right now, we have nothing
to show that AgriStar's business practices were
624
00:28:31,576 --> 00:28:33,647
anything other than
completely legal.
625
00:28:33,711 --> 00:28:36,817
Why not?
Because the USDA tells us so?
626
00:28:36,881 --> 00:28:40,192
They've already admitted
they either don't have the teeth to do the job
627
00:28:40,251 --> 00:28:42,026
or they're unwilling
to use them.
628
00:28:42,487 --> 00:28:44,694
If they're not going to do
something about this, I will.
629
00:28:44,756 --> 00:28:47,999
Doing the USDA's job
seems a bit off target.
630
00:28:48,059 --> 00:28:49,663
I'm not talking
about doing their job.
631
00:28:49,727 --> 00:28:52,105
I'm talking about
doing our job.
632
00:28:52,163 --> 00:28:56,407
According to this,
AgriStar knew Elite was giving them tainted food.
633
00:28:56,968 --> 00:28:58,572
Second degree manslaughter.
634
00:28:58,636 --> 00:29:01,207
Talbot was guilty
of reckless disregard.
635
00:29:01,439 --> 00:29:03,544
And how do you plan
to show causation?
636
00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:06,355
I don't.
That's your job.
637
00:29:07,512 --> 00:29:12,120
Jack, you've already
prosecuted gun manufacturers, drug companies, HMOs.
638
00:29:12,183 --> 00:29:14,390
And I'm the one resisting.
That should tell you something.
639
00:29:14,485 --> 00:29:16,021
I don't think
you'd be resisting
640
00:29:16,087 --> 00:29:19,193
if Arthur King
told you that Talbot was the one responsible.
641
00:29:23,628 --> 00:29:26,131
You want to see if
we can flip Arthur King?
642
00:29:29,934 --> 00:29:31,277
ROTH: You're wasting
your time.
643
00:29:31,336 --> 00:29:32,906
My client's not
interested in pleading
644
00:29:32,971 --> 00:29:35,076
when all you've got
is a circumstantial case.
645
00:29:35,139 --> 00:29:36,743
We're not here
on the Hatcher murder.
646
00:29:36,808 --> 00:29:38,719
Then you're really
wasting your time.
647
00:29:38,776 --> 00:29:40,813
That's the only crime
he's charged with.
648
00:29:40,878 --> 00:29:42,084
So far.
649
00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:44,018
What's she talking about?
650
00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:47,123
Your client's culpability in
the death of five children.
651
00:29:47,685 --> 00:29:48,789
For what?
652
00:29:49,087 --> 00:29:50,794
For selling infected meat
to AgriStar
653
00:29:50,855 --> 00:29:53,495
with reckless disregard
for the consequences.
654
00:29:54,158 --> 00:29:58,300
Fortunately for you,
Mr. King, my boss is more interested in knowing
655
00:29:58,363 --> 00:30:01,537
whether Bill Talbot knew
that's what you were doing.
656
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,274
ROTH: You won't charge him
on the five kids if he testifies against Talbot?
657
00:30:05,803 --> 00:30:08,079
If he knows enough for us
to build a case against him.
658
00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:10,676
And if he pleads man one
on the Hatcher murder.
659
00:30:20,251 --> 00:30:23,425
He can give you AgriStar.
But you'll have to do better.
660
00:30:24,956 --> 00:30:26,230
I can go as far as man two,
661
00:30:26,290 --> 00:30:29,328
but I want to hear
what he knows before I finalize any deal.
662
00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:45,885
Two years ago,
663
00:30:46,644 --> 00:30:48,954
we were cuttin' corners
just to make delivery.
664
00:30:49,747 --> 00:30:52,853
Talbot knew,
but he didn't care.
665
00:30:52,917 --> 00:30:55,397
Not as long as
we met our quota.
666
00:30:57,355 --> 00:31:01,531
Then those kids died,
we get sued.
667
00:31:02,393 --> 00:31:06,500
Suddenly everybody's
concerned about safety.
668
00:31:08,065 --> 00:31:11,171
Bill Talbot knew that
your beef was being exposed to E. coli?
669
00:31:11,235 --> 00:31:14,773
Yes. I told him
we had to cut corners to meet quota.
670
00:31:15,273 --> 00:31:18,083
Plus, he was gettin'
the same reports I was.
671
00:31:18,142 --> 00:31:20,850
He knew that E. coli
wasn't there for flavor.
672
00:31:21,212 --> 00:31:22,748
What about Hatcher?
673
00:31:27,952 --> 00:31:31,729
Talbot was tipped
by somebody that the kid was nosin' around.
674
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:34,827
He said he was
some kind of activist
675
00:31:34,892 --> 00:31:36,929
lookin' to
shut down the plant.
676
00:31:37,628 --> 00:31:39,869
So, I started keepin'
my eyes open.
677
00:31:41,666 --> 00:31:43,703
One night, I m workin
678
00:31:44,702 --> 00:31:48,377
He's there takin' pictures,
so I followed him.
679
00:31:48,906 --> 00:31:52,012
I just wanted to
get the film from him. That's all I was gonna do.
680
00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:55,558
I mean, I put 30 years
into Elite, you know?
681
00:32:02,286 --> 00:32:04,527
But he wouldn't
give me the pictures.
682
00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:07,460
He starts yellin'
at me instead,
683
00:32:08,059 --> 00:32:10,300
sayin' that
I'm poisoning people.
684
00:32:11,629 --> 00:32:13,836
So, I took out my knife,
685
00:32:14,765 --> 00:32:17,575
just to scare him
so he'd give me the pictures.
686
00:32:21,439 --> 00:32:23,783
I don't even know
how it happened.
687
00:32:25,343 --> 00:32:30,258
He was just yellin',
and I was scared.
688
00:32:32,350 --> 00:32:33,886
Scared
689
00:32:35,987 --> 00:32:38,228
I was gonna lose everything.
690
00:32:40,191 --> 00:32:43,001
After it happened
I took his things,
691
00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:45,006
tossed the camera
in the Hudson.
692
00:32:47,098 --> 00:32:49,271
All my life,
693
00:32:50,701 --> 00:32:53,409
I never thought I could
do anything like this.
694
00:33:00,945 --> 00:33:02,288
(CRYING)
695
00:33:08,019 --> 00:33:10,260
TALBOT:
The Big Bill Junior Playland
696
00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:12,995
is an interactive playground
for the 21st century.
697
00:33:13,424 --> 00:33:15,426
We project that
by the end of 2004,
698
00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:18,770
the Big Bill's franchises
in each of the major markets will have one.
699
00:33:18,829 --> 00:33:21,867
This point-of-sale destination
will help cement AgriStar's
700
00:33:21,933 --> 00:33:23,071
relationship with the...
GREEN: William Talbot,
701
00:33:23,134 --> 00:33:25,080
you're under arrest for
second degree manslaughter...
702
00:33:25,136 --> 00:33:26,581
Gentlemen,
if you have a problem, my secretary...
703
00:33:26,637 --> 00:33:28,014
Elizabeth Lawrence.
Arrest?
704
00:33:28,072 --> 00:33:29,847
Benjamin Davies.
Michael Foranda.
705
00:33:29,907 --> 00:33:30,977
There must be a mistake.
706
00:33:31,042 --> 00:33:32,715
Lisa Santos and Emily Miller.
I want my attorney.
707
00:33:32,777 --> 00:33:34,415
Want fries with that?
708
00:33:37,315 --> 00:33:40,387
This is a witch hunt.
It's vindictive prosecution.
709
00:33:40,451 --> 00:33:43,227
JACK: If you thought you
could convince a jury of that, you wouldn't be here.
710
00:33:43,287 --> 00:33:46,757
The only reason we're here
is to stop this runaway train you've started.
711
00:33:46,824 --> 00:33:48,633
SOUTHERLYN:
You said on the phone you had an offer.
712
00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:50,698
You dismiss the indictment,
713
00:33:50,761 --> 00:33:53,503
and in exchange,
AgriStar will disclose
714
00:33:53,564 --> 00:33:56,374
the safety measures
we've already undertaken
715
00:33:56,434 --> 00:33:59,813
and promise to
implement new ones, which we can negotiate.
716
00:34:03,574 --> 00:34:05,451
Thank you for your time.
717
00:34:06,477 --> 00:34:08,684
Wait. At least
consider the offer.
718
00:34:08,746 --> 00:34:11,784
There is nothing to consider.
Five children are dead.
719
00:34:11,849 --> 00:34:13,260
I had nothing to do
with that. Bill...
720
00:34:13,317 --> 00:34:14,921
No, I want to say this.
721
00:34:15,619 --> 00:34:17,292
I am not the villain here.
722
00:34:17,355 --> 00:34:19,995
I refused to do
business with King unless he cleaned up his act.
723
00:34:20,424 --> 00:34:22,370
But only after
five people died.
724
00:34:22,426 --> 00:34:26,306
We serve millions
of people a day. This was five cases.
725
00:34:26,630 --> 00:34:29,110
Five children,
killed by your product.
726
00:34:29,567 --> 00:34:31,945
Not killed, counselor.
They got sick.
727
00:34:32,870 --> 00:34:34,816
Look, let's get practical
for a minute.
728
00:34:34,872 --> 00:34:37,216
If what your boss is
looking for is safer food,
729
00:34:37,275 --> 00:34:39,050
our offer guarantees that.
730
00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:42,281
Your offer
is a list of promises
731
00:34:42,346 --> 00:34:45,384
with no means of assuring
that you won't loophole your way out of them
732
00:34:45,449 --> 00:34:47,326
the first chance you get.
733
00:34:47,785 --> 00:34:49,321
And it's rejected.
734
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,075
Two years ago, our quota
was 10,000 pounds a day.
735
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:09,513
But sometimes a truck's late,
a grinder breaks.
736
00:35:09,573 --> 00:35:11,280
We've gotta make up that time.
737
00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:14,120
So, knives don't get
cleaned after gutting,
738
00:35:14,178 --> 00:35:17,625
spills from the gut table
don't get wiped up as carefully.
739
00:35:18,149 --> 00:35:21,494
And as a result,
could E. coli co-mingle with the meat?
740
00:35:21,552 --> 00:35:23,429
Well,
when you've got a quota, you don't waste.
741
00:35:23,487 --> 00:35:27,196
Not the pieces from
the gut table or the pieces that drop on the floor.
742
00:35:27,758 --> 00:35:29,635
To your knowledge,
was the defendant aware
743
00:35:29,694 --> 00:35:31,537
of these conditions
at your plant?
744
00:35:31,596 --> 00:35:34,042
Yeah. I delivered short
on one shipment.
745
00:35:34,098 --> 00:35:35,975
Talbot chewed me out over it.
746
00:35:36,033 --> 00:35:39,276
I told him I couldn't
meet his quota without cuttin' corners.
747
00:35:39,604 --> 00:35:40,742
JACK: Cutting corners?
748
00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:42,216
Health and safety.
749
00:35:42,273 --> 00:35:43,843
I told him about spill rates
750
00:35:43,908 --> 00:35:46,445
and how E. coli was
gettin' into the meat.
751
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:48,786
And I told him what we had
to do to keep things clean.
752
00:35:49,714 --> 00:35:51,387
JACK: And what
was his response?
753
00:35:51,449 --> 00:35:53,224
He said it was my problem,
754
00:35:53,284 --> 00:35:55,764
and if I didn't meet quota,
he'd go elsewhere.
755
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:57,629
I'm barely breakin' even.
756
00:35:57,688 --> 00:36:00,760
If he pulled his business,
I'd lose mine.
757
00:36:05,129 --> 00:36:06,972
Mr. Talbot never
told you to sacrifice
758
00:36:07,031 --> 00:36:08,942
health and safety to
meet quota, did he?
759
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,207
How else did he think
I was gonna do it?
760
00:36:12,269 --> 00:36:15,307
Add more workers?
Expand the plant?
761
00:36:15,606 --> 00:36:19,713
I told him
that sacrificing safety was the only way.
762
00:36:19,777 --> 00:36:22,121
What about
increasing efficiency?
763
00:36:22,179 --> 00:36:26,059
I've been in this business
30 years, and it's always been the same.
764
00:36:26,117 --> 00:36:29,496
Faster, faster, faster.
Anything else is a pipe dream.
765
00:36:29,553 --> 00:36:31,931
HUTCHINS:
Well, if 10,000 pounds a week wasn't feasible,
766
00:36:31,989 --> 00:36:34,868
you never should have
made the contract in the first place.
767
00:36:35,893 --> 00:36:37,429
Right?
768
00:36:40,364 --> 00:36:43,277
You're currently
serving a prison sentence for homicide, aren't you?
769
00:36:43,868 --> 00:36:45,973
Objection.
HUTCHINS: Goes to credibility.
770
00:36:47,071 --> 00:36:48,414
Overruled.
771
00:36:49,907 --> 00:36:52,410
Only you received
a lesser sentence
772
00:36:52,476 --> 00:36:55,548
in exchange for
your testimony against Mr. Talbot, didn't you?
773
00:36:55,613 --> 00:36:57,024
I'm tellin' the truth.
774
00:36:57,081 --> 00:37:01,894
The truth is that
you're blaming my client for your mistakes.
775
00:37:08,592 --> 00:37:10,902
TALBOT: Big Bill's
is a family restaurant.
776
00:37:11,529 --> 00:37:14,703
Two-thirds of our
fast food employees are under the age of 20.
777
00:37:14,765 --> 00:37:18,611
Over 25 million children
walk into our restaurants every month.
778
00:37:18,669 --> 00:37:22,344
We serve 10 million
burgers to kids a week.
779
00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:26,717
The suggestion that
we're a company that kills children is ludicrous.
780
00:37:27,077 --> 00:37:30,524
And yet there is
a statistical association
781
00:37:30,581 --> 00:37:34,154
between the deaths
of five children and your company.
782
00:37:34,552 --> 00:37:37,431
And when I learned about it
I was devastated.
783
00:37:38,389 --> 00:37:42,269
But you're talking about
a statistical association, not direct proof.
784
00:37:43,894 --> 00:37:47,706
Look, King may have
had his problems,
785
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:51,874
but today his plant is clean
because I got it cleaned.
786
00:37:52,503 --> 00:37:56,246
Not the USDA,
not the CDC. Me.
787
00:37:56,674 --> 00:37:57,778
HUTCHINS: How?
788
00:37:57,842 --> 00:38:00,584
By refusing to do
business with King unless he cleaned up his act.
789
00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:05,219
Well, you're aware that
Mr. King says that you forced him to break the law.
790
00:38:05,282 --> 00:38:06,989
TALBOT: Well, that doesn't
make any sense.
791
00:38:07,051 --> 00:38:08,894
My company is his customer.
792
00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:12,366
Why would I pay good money
for a product that wasn't of the highest quality?
793
00:38:14,358 --> 00:38:15,803
Nothing further.
794
00:38:17,795 --> 00:38:19,832
Arthur King
testified under oath
795
00:38:19,897 --> 00:38:23,310
that you knew he was
supplying a diseased product. Was he lying?
796
00:38:23,667 --> 00:38:25,806
His version of events doesn't
include when we found out.
797
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:28,942
As I said, as soon as
we knew there was a problem,
798
00:38:29,006 --> 00:38:31,714
we refused to
do business with them until they fixed it.
799
00:38:32,009 --> 00:38:34,990
And this discovery just
happened to coincide
800
00:38:35,045 --> 00:38:36,786
with the deaths of
these five children?
801
00:38:36,847 --> 00:38:37,951
Objection.
802
00:38:38,015 --> 00:38:39,323
Overruled.
803
00:38:41,352 --> 00:38:43,696
These kids
caught an infection.
804
00:38:44,889 --> 00:38:46,459
God only knows from what.
805
00:38:47,591 --> 00:38:49,127
I don't know
about God, Mr. Talbot,
806
00:38:49,193 --> 00:38:51,104
but to me,
it's no coincidence
807
00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:55,304
that each of these five
children died within hours of eating your product.
808
00:38:55,366 --> 00:38:59,815
My product is food,
a living thing.
809
00:39:00,704 --> 00:39:03,878
And with living things
disease is a fact of life.
810
00:39:04,675 --> 00:39:07,986
Children can catch E. coli
from petting animals.
811
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:10,659
Why aren't you putting
the Bronx Zoo on trial?
812
00:39:11,549 --> 00:39:14,587
In a zoo,
the danger to children is kept in a cage.
813
00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:19,532
I don't believe that the
food that my company sold made those children sick.
814
00:39:20,157 --> 00:39:21,864
Then why settle
with their parents?
815
00:39:22,293 --> 00:39:26,002
Objection. Evidence
of out-of-court settlements is inadmissible.
816
00:39:26,063 --> 00:39:29,636
Not if it's being
used to impeach the defendant's statement.
817
00:39:30,968 --> 00:39:33,380
You put it in play,
Mr. Hutchins.
818
00:39:33,971 --> 00:39:35,416
Answer the question.
819
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,016
It wasn't an admission
of guilt, Mr. McCoy.
820
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:43,514
We settled because
it was cheaper to do so than to go to trial.
821
00:39:43,581 --> 00:39:46,858
Just as it was cheaper
to purchase tainted food
822
00:39:46,917 --> 00:39:49,363
than to take steps to
make sure that it was safe.
823
00:39:49,653 --> 00:39:51,496
Objection.
JUDGE: That's sustained.
824
00:39:51,755 --> 00:39:53,666
Actually, I'd like to answer.
825
00:39:55,626 --> 00:39:57,401
I run a business, Mr. McCoy.
826
00:39:57,962 --> 00:39:59,999
Everybody likes
a perfect product.
827
00:40:00,331 --> 00:40:03,642
But if it's too
expensive or inconvenient, no one buys it.
828
00:40:04,835 --> 00:40:07,816
The airlines could
hand search every passenger on every flight,
829
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:10,983
but the delays would
put them out of business.
830
00:40:11,041 --> 00:40:14,648
Cars could be made
as safe as tanks.
831
00:40:15,713 --> 00:40:19,957
But how many people
could afford a car that costs as much as a house?
832
00:40:20,985 --> 00:40:24,398
Risk-return analysis
isn't reckless.
833
00:40:25,556 --> 00:40:26,830
It's responsible business.
834
00:40:28,025 --> 00:40:30,596
So, is keeping
your customers alive.
835
00:40:40,804 --> 00:40:42,442
Half the jury looked like
they were about to choke
836
00:40:42,506 --> 00:40:44,179
on Talbot's
risk-return argument.
837
00:40:44,241 --> 00:40:46,687
Even though it's really
a valid response.
838
00:40:47,277 --> 00:40:49,052
The law doesn't require
companies to adopt
839
00:40:49,113 --> 00:40:51,593
safety standards that'd
price them out of business.
840
00:40:51,648 --> 00:40:55,653
There's no
cost-benefit analysis that justifies children dying.
841
00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:59,763
Still, there are limits to
corporate responsibility even in the case of children.
842
00:41:00,090 --> 00:41:02,070
Whether or not the
jury buys Talbot's argument,
843
00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:03,764
it's still his word
against King's.
844
00:41:04,295 --> 00:41:08,004
King's a blue collar felon,
while Talbot's a captain of industry.
845
00:41:08,065 --> 00:41:10,045
He's made his career
out of spin control
846
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,478
and creating a kid-friendly
corporate image.
847
00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:16,250
Well, maybe it's time to
leverage that image against them.
848
00:41:17,308 --> 00:41:19,447
Out of the mouths of babes.
849
00:41:20,744 --> 00:41:24,453
I imagine our original offer
is looking pretty good right about now.
850
00:41:24,515 --> 00:41:26,620
The only offer we would
consider at this point
851
00:41:26,684 --> 00:41:28,630
would have to
include jail time.
852
00:41:30,387 --> 00:41:32,594
Have we been sitting
in the same courtroom?
853
00:41:32,656 --> 00:41:35,569
'Cause our case
has been going pretty well for us so far.
854
00:41:35,993 --> 00:41:38,303
"So far"
being the operative term.
855
00:41:39,229 --> 00:41:40,765
What are you talking about?
856
00:41:40,831 --> 00:41:42,674
We can still call
witnesses to rebut
857
00:41:42,733 --> 00:41:45,304
your client's
risk-reward argument.
858
00:41:45,636 --> 00:41:47,673
Oh, I doubt this jury
will be impressed by
859
00:41:47,738 --> 00:41:51,743
some USDA inspector
or a hired gun economist.
860
00:41:53,043 --> 00:41:54,989
I'm not talking
about an expert.
861
00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:01,593
This is Roberta Miller.
862
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:05,093
JACK: Her name
might ring a bell.
863
00:42:05,856 --> 00:42:10,100
Your company paid her
$1 million to settle her wrongful death claim.
864
00:42:11,228 --> 00:42:12,639
What the hell is this?
865
00:42:12,696 --> 00:42:14,676
Do you want to hear
what she'll say in court?
866
00:42:14,732 --> 00:42:18,646
That my daughter got E. coli
from one of your hamburgers.
867
00:42:19,603 --> 00:42:23,016
That it attacked
her heart and kidneys,
868
00:42:23,907 --> 00:42:25,614
just shut them down.
869
00:42:29,246 --> 00:42:31,317
She was only four years old.
870
00:42:32,249 --> 00:42:33,785
Four.
871
00:42:37,021 --> 00:42:38,091
Can they do this?
872
00:42:38,756 --> 00:42:40,827
A judge will
never let it happen.
873
00:42:40,891 --> 00:42:42,734
Your client opened the door.
874
00:42:42,793 --> 00:42:46,570
He argued that adequate safety
was too expensive given the risk.
875
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:50,544
Mrs. Miller will testify
to the consequences of ignoring that risk.
876
00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:54,876
We have four other witnesses
in addition to Mrs. Miller.
877
00:42:54,938 --> 00:43:00,251
Five distraught parents
before a media-packed courtroom, if not a jury.
878
00:43:02,579 --> 00:43:05,822
This might be
a good time for another risk-reward analysis.
879
00:43:07,918 --> 00:43:09,829
Forget it.
This is blackmail.
880
00:43:09,887 --> 00:43:12,197
Let's at least
hear them out.
881
00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:14,236
I am not going to jail.
882
00:43:14,291 --> 00:43:17,067
Jail's not the only thing
you have to worry about, Bill.
883
00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:21,299
Well, if you're
talking about publicity, AgriStar can spin this.
884
00:43:21,365 --> 00:43:25,438
There's no way
you can spin five distraught parents, Mr. Talbot.
885
00:43:31,308 --> 00:43:33,151
(WHISPERING)
886
00:43:38,282 --> 00:43:40,319
(SOFTLY) Don't forget
about your family.
887
00:43:41,385 --> 00:43:43,365
(INAUDIBLE)
888
00:43:55,732 --> 00:43:58,679
I assume you'll allow him
to allocute in chambers?
889
00:43:58,936 --> 00:44:00,643
I'll talk to my boss.
890
00:44:13,617 --> 00:44:16,496
Criminally negligent homicide.
Two years for each child.
891
00:44:16,553 --> 00:44:19,261
And 10 times that in the
court of public opinion.
892
00:44:19,323 --> 00:44:21,428
Then why'd you let him
plead guilty in chambers?
893
00:44:21,492 --> 00:44:23,403
Board rooms
have great acoustics.
894
00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:26,703
Believe me,
the people I was talking to heard us loud and clear.
895
00:44:27,364 --> 00:44:30,971
Talbot's own board
wasted no time distancing themselves from him.
896
00:44:31,468 --> 00:44:34,415
Now he'll find out
what it's like at the bottom of the food chain.
897
00:44:34,465 --> 00:44:39,015
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