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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,998 --> 00:00:02,705 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:02,766 --> 00:00:06,714 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:06,770 --> 00:00:08,613 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:08,672 --> 00:00:11,448 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,508 --> 00:00:12,748 These are their stories. 6 00:00:17,514 --> 00:00:22,156 Unbelievable. That moron in 6B still doesn't recycle. 7 00:00:22,219 --> 00:00:23,892 The building could get a citation. 8 00:00:23,954 --> 00:00:26,298 I should drop these on his doorstep. What do you think? 9 00:00:26,356 --> 00:00:27,892 Don't be such a stone-crusher, Frank. 10 00:00:27,958 --> 00:00:29,403 He's just having a rough time, is all. 11 00:00:29,460 --> 00:00:31,269 What are you talking about? How do you know? 12 00:00:31,328 --> 00:00:33,672 Help-wanted section. Circled ads. 13 00:00:33,730 --> 00:00:37,906 Come on, look. He's got kids to support, huh? 14 00:00:37,968 --> 00:00:39,606 So, cut the guy a little slack, all right? 15 00:00:39,670 --> 00:00:41,343 You're always so quick to Judge people. 16 00:00:41,405 --> 00:00:44,147 Yeah, well, if he is not responsible enough to recycle, 17 00:00:44,208 --> 00:00:47,155 it's probably why he lost his job in the first place. 18 00:00:47,878 --> 00:00:50,381 Miguel, give me your cell phone. 19 00:00:50,447 --> 00:00:52,290 Frank, you're not gonna call him now, are you? 20 00:00:52,349 --> 00:00:54,454 No, no, we got a real problem here. 21 00:00:59,056 --> 00:01:01,036 I didn't know we were selling tickets to this one. 22 00:01:01,091 --> 00:01:03,731 They all live on the block, Detective, they just wanna know what's going on. 23 00:01:03,794 --> 00:01:04,932 Yeah, well, unless they're witnesses, 24 00:01:04,995 --> 00:01:06,599 they're gonna have to read about it in the paper tomorrow. 25 00:01:06,663 --> 00:01:09,041 All right, you got it. All right everybody, let's go. 26 00:01:09,099 --> 00:01:10,510 I'm sorry, you gotta move it back. 27 00:01:10,567 --> 00:01:12,171 What's the flavor this morning? 28 00:01:12,236 --> 00:01:14,978 Stabbing. Couple of maintenance men over there found her under 29 00:01:15,038 --> 00:01:16,346 a pile of trash bags. 30 00:01:16,406 --> 00:01:17,851 She been out here all night? 31 00:01:17,908 --> 00:01:20,684 Body temp's ice cold. Looks like multiple wounds. 32 00:01:20,744 --> 00:01:21,984 Did you get an ID? 33 00:01:22,045 --> 00:01:23,456 Haven't found a purse or a wallet yet. 34 00:01:23,514 --> 00:01:27,291 Wait a minute. Movie tickets. From the Trudeau. 35 00:01:27,384 --> 00:01:29,557 The art house? That's a couple of blocks from here. 36 00:01:29,620 --> 00:01:31,031 8:00 p.m. show last night. 37 00:01:31,088 --> 00:01:34,900 All right. So, she got out around 10:00, 10:30, she's on her way home... 38 00:01:34,958 --> 00:01:37,871 Runs into the wrong guy... Show's over. 39 00:02:29,580 --> 00:02:31,184 This woman's really dead, huh? 40 00:02:31,248 --> 00:02:33,091 Well, it ain't a bad hair day. 41 00:02:33,150 --> 00:02:37,621 I sell, like, 200 tickets a night. That's pretty hard, just to remember one person. 42 00:02:37,688 --> 00:02:39,759 Okay, what if this woman bought them with a credit card? 43 00:02:39,823 --> 00:02:41,234 Do you have a stub? Uh-huh. 44 00:02:42,125 --> 00:02:44,366 Yeah, actually, these were bought through Moviefone. 45 00:02:44,428 --> 00:02:46,305 It'll just take a minute. 46 00:02:46,363 --> 00:02:47,501 If you know the name of the person 47 00:02:47,564 --> 00:02:49,441 you'd like to ID, press one. 48 00:02:51,001 --> 00:02:54,278 This is the one she saw. Yeah, Les Artistes d'Amour. 49 00:02:54,338 --> 00:02:57,649 The painter shows why passion is the highest form of art. 50 00:02:57,708 --> 00:02:59,085 Sound like a date movie. 51 00:02:59,142 --> 00:03:00,951 Sounds like I'm home watching the Knicks game. 52 00:03:01,144 --> 00:03:03,750 Well... Two tickets. She had to go with somebody. 53 00:03:04,047 --> 00:03:05,219 Here you go. 54 00:03:05,716 --> 00:03:08,094 The person's name on the credit card is Tracy Conley. 55 00:03:08,151 --> 00:03:09,391 Hey, can I keep this? 56 00:03:09,453 --> 00:03:12,366 Uh, would you just spell the name for us, please? 57 00:03:14,091 --> 00:03:16,537 PATRICIA: Tracy was supposed to come by for dinner tonight. 58 00:03:18,161 --> 00:03:20,004 Her message is still on the machine. 59 00:03:20,831 --> 00:03:24,335 It was so rare that we actually got a chance to see our daughter these days. 60 00:03:25,068 --> 00:03:26,103 Why is that? 61 00:03:26,169 --> 00:03:28,740 Tracy just finished her PhD in psychology. 62 00:03:28,805 --> 00:03:30,546 She was always working so hard. 63 00:03:31,008 --> 00:03:34,080 Yeah, we saw the diploma in her apartment. Columbia? 64 00:03:36,246 --> 00:03:38,385 She followed in her father's footsteps. 65 00:03:38,448 --> 00:03:39,586 You're a psychologist? 66 00:03:39,650 --> 00:03:42,597 I mostly teach. I don't have a practice anymore. 67 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:46,162 (SOBS) Her whole life, she just wanted to help people. 68 00:03:47,257 --> 00:03:49,737 How God could take away somebody like that. 69 00:03:50,727 --> 00:03:54,641 We're very sorry, ma'am. I know how hard it is to lose a daughter. 70 00:03:55,699 --> 00:03:57,474 Who did this to her? 71 00:03:57,534 --> 00:03:58,740 ED: Right now, we don't know. 72 00:03:58,802 --> 00:04:02,272 But we think she may have gone to the movies with someone prior to the attack. 73 00:04:02,739 --> 00:04:03,843 Who? 74 00:04:03,907 --> 00:04:07,582 We don't know that either. Right now, we're hoping to find this person 75 00:04:07,644 --> 00:04:09,282 and that he or she may be able 76 00:04:09,346 --> 00:04:11,257 to provide us information about what happened. 77 00:04:11,982 --> 00:04:15,555 Are there any names that pop into your head? Maybe a boyfriend? 78 00:04:15,619 --> 00:04:18,725 Tracy never really shared much about her personal life. 79 00:04:22,492 --> 00:04:24,301 She was 34, 80 00:04:25,996 --> 00:04:28,340 and we wanted to see her get married and have kids. 81 00:04:29,566 --> 00:04:31,637 I think she just got tired of us asking. 82 00:04:33,103 --> 00:04:35,879 Was there anybody that you might have asked about recently? 83 00:04:36,807 --> 00:04:41,256 Last time she said something about someone who coached basketball. 84 00:04:41,978 --> 00:04:43,548 At a high school, I think. 85 00:04:44,614 --> 00:04:48,528 But I don't think it was very serious. 86 00:04:55,125 --> 00:04:56,536 (WHISTLE BLOWING) 87 00:04:59,663 --> 00:05:01,609 Sorry about that, I just wanted to get practice started. 88 00:05:01,665 --> 00:05:02,666 It's okay. 89 00:05:03,233 --> 00:05:06,214 Like I was saying, Tracy and I went out a few months. 90 00:05:06,269 --> 00:05:07,873 When's the last time you saw her? 91 00:05:07,938 --> 00:05:10,316 Maybe four, five weeks ago. 92 00:05:10,374 --> 00:05:13,878 Was this a serious thing? I mean, you just seem pretty upset. 93 00:05:14,978 --> 00:05:17,219 Well, there was just some unfinished business between us. 94 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:20,318 Unfinished business? I was never quite sure why she left. 95 00:05:21,351 --> 00:05:22,728 Oh, so she broke it off. 96 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,697 First few months everything was great. 97 00:05:24,755 --> 00:05:28,794 Then Tracy, she just backed the hell off. Stopped returning my calls. 98 00:05:29,926 --> 00:05:31,803 Guess now I'll never have the chance to find out why. 99 00:05:32,429 --> 00:05:34,807 Is it possible there was somebody else? 100 00:05:34,865 --> 00:05:36,572 Could have been 10 other guys, for all I know. 101 00:05:37,501 --> 00:05:41,278 You never could tell with Tracy. She was pretty hard to read sometimes. 102 00:05:42,406 --> 00:05:44,317 Where were you last night, Matt? Home. 103 00:05:44,908 --> 00:05:46,012 Anybody with you? 104 00:05:46,076 --> 00:05:50,525 No. I live alone. I spoke to a couple of friends on the phone. 105 00:05:51,281 --> 00:05:53,557 I'm sure there's a way you guys can check on that, or something. 106 00:05:57,154 --> 00:05:59,691 You know what the last thing I said to her was? 107 00:05:59,756 --> 00:06:00,757 ED: What's that? 108 00:06:02,692 --> 00:06:04,069 Have a good life. 109 00:06:06,129 --> 00:06:08,370 Tracy Conley, 34 years young. 110 00:06:08,432 --> 00:06:10,241 Just finished her dissertation. 111 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:12,780 Had a therapy practice up on 60th Street. 112 00:06:12,836 --> 00:06:17,285 The preliminary M.E. report puts time of death sometime around 11:00,11:30. 113 00:06:17,340 --> 00:06:19,513 Cause was multiple stab wounds to the upper torso. 114 00:06:19,576 --> 00:06:21,852 Multiple as in how many? Nine. 115 00:06:22,446 --> 00:06:24,653 So we're looking for an overachiever. 116 00:06:24,714 --> 00:06:27,991 What about witnesses? Anyone find a weapon? 117 00:06:28,051 --> 00:06:29,428 We should be so lucky. 118 00:06:29,486 --> 00:06:32,592 Nine stab wounds. What about an EDP? 119 00:06:32,656 --> 00:06:34,101 You talk to the precinct yet? 120 00:06:34,157 --> 00:06:37,661 Unfortunately for us, the neighborhood has a clean bill of mental health. 121 00:06:37,727 --> 00:06:39,866 Do we at least know who she went to the movies with? 122 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:43,143 Well, the ex that we talked to was at home with an alibi. 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,578 He couldn't tell us whether she was seeing somebody else or not. 124 00:06:46,036 --> 00:06:47,447 So, what's next? 125 00:06:47,504 --> 00:06:48,881 Well, talk to the parents again. 126 00:06:48,939 --> 00:06:50,976 See if we can find out who her girlfriends were. 127 00:06:51,041 --> 00:06:53,851 If she met someone new, she may have told one of them. 128 00:06:54,311 --> 00:06:55,483 All right. 129 00:06:56,179 --> 00:06:58,216 Tracy didn't stay in relationships very long. 130 00:06:58,849 --> 00:07:00,260 You mean like with Matt? 131 00:07:00,851 --> 00:07:02,922 He made the classic mistake they all did with her. 132 00:07:02,986 --> 00:07:03,987 Which was what? 133 00:07:04,421 --> 00:07:05,695 He cared. 134 00:07:06,423 --> 00:07:09,927 Tracy had a commitment problem. 135 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,071 Whenever anyone got too close for comfort, she'd push them away. 136 00:07:14,130 --> 00:07:16,440 Just what you look for in a therapist. 137 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:18,343 It never interfered with her work. 138 00:07:18,902 --> 00:07:21,212 Actually, in a way, it gave her a little more insight into people. 139 00:07:21,271 --> 00:07:24,878 Okay, what about other exes. I mean, did she generally leave them on good terms? 140 00:07:24,941 --> 00:07:27,421 There weren't any stalkers hanging around, if that's what you're asking. 141 00:07:27,477 --> 00:07:30,048 Was there anybody new on the scene? 142 00:07:30,113 --> 00:07:33,117 Somebody she might have gone to the movies with Monday night? 143 00:07:33,183 --> 00:07:36,255 A new guy? No, I would have heard about that. 144 00:07:37,554 --> 00:07:39,158 Wait a minute. You said Monday night? 145 00:07:39,222 --> 00:07:40,257 BRISCOE: Right. 146 00:07:40,323 --> 00:07:42,428 Tracy always spent Mondays with her little sister. 147 00:07:43,093 --> 00:07:46,233 Her parents never mentioned anything about her having a sister. 148 00:07:46,563 --> 00:07:48,304 Tracy and Monique weren't related. 149 00:07:55,739 --> 00:07:58,845 We tell everyone interested in volunteering for Mentor Alliance 150 00:07:58,909 --> 00:08:01,856 that it's more than just taking a kid out to lunch once a week. 151 00:08:01,912 --> 00:08:04,415 You are looking at a potential five-to-10 year commitment. 152 00:08:04,481 --> 00:08:05,960 That must weed out a lot of people. 153 00:08:06,349 --> 00:08:08,158 It's definitely not for everyone. 154 00:08:08,218 --> 00:08:10,255 Tracy was the perfect candidate though. 155 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,391 Why is that? She had roots here. 156 00:08:13,023 --> 00:08:16,402 Steady job. I remember her interview, too. 157 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,697 She said that she wanted the most difficult girl we had. 158 00:08:19,763 --> 00:08:20,798 ED: Really? 159 00:08:20,864 --> 00:08:23,606 She said the whole point of volunteering was to help someone 160 00:08:23,667 --> 00:08:25,203 before they fell through the cracks. 161 00:08:25,569 --> 00:08:27,913 Monique Thomas, 15. 162 00:08:28,838 --> 00:08:30,840 Father was killed when she was 11. 163 00:08:31,408 --> 00:08:33,081 Discipline problems in school. 164 00:08:33,143 --> 00:08:34,588 Sounds like a tough customer. 165 00:08:34,644 --> 00:08:36,248 She had three previous mentors 166 00:08:36,313 --> 00:08:37,849 prior to her placement with Tracy. 167 00:08:38,415 --> 00:08:39,655 How was it going? 168 00:08:39,716 --> 00:08:40,956 There were some rough spots, 169 00:08:41,017 --> 00:08:43,395 but Tracy said that she wanted to stick with it. 170 00:08:45,655 --> 00:08:47,157 And you guys tried her at home? 171 00:08:47,223 --> 00:08:49,829 No. We had this strange notion that, in the middle of the day, 172 00:08:49,893 --> 00:08:52,203 a 15-year-old might actually be in school. 173 00:08:52,262 --> 00:08:55,835 Monique doesn't exactly make education a priority in her schedule. 174 00:08:55,899 --> 00:08:57,344 When was the last time she was here? 175 00:08:58,234 --> 00:09:00,578 Tuesday. Day after the murder. 176 00:09:03,073 --> 00:09:05,986 As you can see, she doesn't exactly spend a lot of time here. 177 00:09:08,178 --> 00:09:10,089 This has gotta be the boyfriend. 178 00:09:11,681 --> 00:09:13,092 Recognize this guy? 179 00:09:14,184 --> 00:09:15,663 Andre Suarez. 180 00:09:15,719 --> 00:09:18,131 He was a senior until he dropped out a month ago. 181 00:09:18,421 --> 00:09:20,230 What are the chances these two love birds 182 00:09:20,290 --> 00:09:21,667 are together right now? 183 00:09:24,494 --> 00:09:25,632 Yeah? 184 00:09:25,996 --> 00:09:27,066 Monique here? 185 00:09:27,130 --> 00:09:28,507 Who? Monique. 186 00:09:28,565 --> 00:09:30,943 Then one whose name's all over your chest, Romeo. 187 00:09:31,835 --> 00:09:33,041 No, man, she ain't here. 188 00:09:33,103 --> 00:09:35,140 BRISCOE: We already tried her house. 189 00:09:36,339 --> 00:09:39,013 You know the age of consent for somebody in this state, Andre? 190 00:09:42,278 --> 00:09:44,189 Monique? Who are you? 191 00:09:44,714 --> 00:09:47,524 We're not truant officers. So, what do you want? 192 00:09:47,584 --> 00:09:48,585 You gotta take a ride with us. 193 00:09:48,652 --> 00:09:50,962 We need to ask you some questions about Tracy Conley. 194 00:09:51,021 --> 00:09:53,001 Hey, yo, man, you can't be asking her no questions, man. 195 00:09:53,056 --> 00:09:54,057 She's only 15. 196 00:09:54,124 --> 00:09:55,933 Oh, so you Johnnie Cochrane now? Shut up. 197 00:09:55,992 --> 00:09:58,734 Don't worry about it, slick. We already talked to her mom. 198 00:09:58,795 --> 00:10:00,103 You called my mother? 199 00:10:00,163 --> 00:10:02,200 Yeah, she's waiting for us down at the precinct. Come on. 200 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:07,240 If my daughter said she went to the movies with Tracy, and then straight home, 201 00:10:07,303 --> 00:10:08,646 then that's what happened. 202 00:10:08,705 --> 00:10:10,150 Ms. Thomas, if you don't let Monique answer the... 203 00:10:10,206 --> 00:10:11,514 She doesn't need to. 204 00:10:12,175 --> 00:10:13,711 Look, are we done here? 205 00:10:14,177 --> 00:10:15,588 I gotta get back to work. 206 00:10:20,150 --> 00:10:23,256 She makes legal aid feel like a day at the beach. 207 00:10:23,319 --> 00:10:24,798 Let me take a shot. 208 00:10:24,854 --> 00:10:26,094 She's all yours. 209 00:10:32,362 --> 00:10:34,342 Ms. Thomas. Monique. 210 00:10:34,931 --> 00:10:36,501 I'm Lieutenant Van Buren. 211 00:10:36,599 --> 00:10:39,603 Oh, great. So you gonna tell us we can't leave now? 212 00:10:39,669 --> 00:10:42,343 'Cause if you think you're gonna rail road my daughter, you're not. 213 00:10:42,405 --> 00:10:44,248 No one's trying to rail road anyone. 214 00:10:44,307 --> 00:10:45,911 Well, then this is just a waste of time. 215 00:10:45,975 --> 00:10:47,613 Well, I know how it can feel that way, 216 00:10:47,677 --> 00:10:50,886 especially since you probably don't have a lot of free time either, do you? 217 00:10:50,947 --> 00:10:52,255 That's right. 218 00:10:52,315 --> 00:10:56,092 Look, I'm a working mother raising two boys. I know how hard it is. 219 00:10:57,487 --> 00:10:59,467 Why do you think your mother does that, Monique? 220 00:11:00,757 --> 00:11:02,930 So you can have a better life. 221 00:11:03,526 --> 00:11:05,972 Same reason she probably got you the mentor, right? 222 00:11:06,396 --> 00:11:07,431 Tracy was a good influence. 223 00:11:07,497 --> 00:11:09,067 I'm sure she was. 224 00:11:09,132 --> 00:11:12,306 But what I can't figure out is if Tracy helped Monique, 225 00:11:12,702 --> 00:11:15,046 why you won't let Monique help Tracy now? 226 00:11:15,572 --> 00:11:17,813 Because she doesn't know anything. 227 00:11:18,374 --> 00:11:21,617 Well, now, see, I think maybe she does know something 228 00:11:22,245 --> 00:11:24,521 and is just afraid to say. 229 00:11:24,581 --> 00:11:27,994 And if you want to protect your daughter, Ms. Thomas, 230 00:11:28,318 --> 00:11:33,324 she needs to tell us the truth, right here, right now. 231 00:11:40,430 --> 00:11:41,932 Look at me. 232 00:11:43,099 --> 00:11:45,375 You telling the whole story here? 233 00:11:46,236 --> 00:11:47,977 Don't you look away from me. 234 00:11:49,005 --> 00:11:51,383 You wanna earn respect in this world, you look a person in the eye 235 00:11:51,441 --> 00:11:52,852 when they ask you a question. 236 00:11:55,211 --> 00:11:56,315 Now, 237 00:11:57,580 --> 00:12:01,084 do you know anything about what happened to Tracy? 238 00:12:14,030 --> 00:12:18,206 He was just supposed to grab her purse, not kill her. 239 00:12:19,836 --> 00:12:21,679 VAN BUREN: Who are you talking about, Monique? 240 00:12:24,908 --> 00:12:26,649 His name's Arnold. 241 00:12:26,709 --> 00:12:28,848 What else can you tell me about him? 242 00:12:31,114 --> 00:12:33,617 I just have his cell number. That's all I know. 243 00:12:35,618 --> 00:12:37,529 Mom, I'm so sorry. 244 00:12:48,131 --> 00:12:50,168 ED: It's cold out here. Try him again. 245 00:12:57,207 --> 00:13:00,017 Yo, Arnold. What's up, man? It's E.D., Monique's friend. 246 00:13:00,076 --> 00:13:01,248 You said 10 minutes. 247 00:13:01,311 --> 00:13:03,222 Turn around. Yo. 248 00:13:03,713 --> 00:13:05,886 So, what you want? Weed, coke? 249 00:13:05,949 --> 00:13:07,622 Just a little bit of... (GRUNTS) 250 00:13:08,785 --> 00:13:12,289 Down on the ground! One more step and you're dead! Get down! 251 00:13:12,355 --> 00:13:14,699 You okay? Yeah, man. Get up! 252 00:13:15,458 --> 00:13:16,562 Assaulting a police officer. 253 00:13:16,626 --> 00:13:17,832 You're in big leagues now, bro. 254 00:13:18,628 --> 00:13:19,629 Spread 'em! 255 00:13:23,433 --> 00:13:26,346 Give me that. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a base hit. 256 00:13:28,271 --> 00:13:31,218 Check this out Tracy Conley. 257 00:13:31,274 --> 00:13:33,311 You just hit one out of the park, kid. 258 00:13:35,612 --> 00:13:36,920 BRISCOE: Down. 259 00:13:40,917 --> 00:13:44,990 Looks like Arnold here's been a guest of ours before, Lennie. 260 00:13:45,054 --> 00:13:48,001 Apparently, he beat up a girlfriend, took 1-to-3 for it. 261 00:13:48,391 --> 00:13:51,998 Well, Arnold, let me just say on behalf of the New York City Police Department, 262 00:13:52,061 --> 00:13:54,166 it's a pleasure to have you back with us. 263 00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:56,267 ED: You got a history of assaulting women, huh? 264 00:13:58,201 --> 00:13:59,976 Yeah, that's me. 265 00:14:00,036 --> 00:14:01,640 They make easy targets, don't they? 266 00:14:01,704 --> 00:14:03,115 Especially for somebody as big as you. 267 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,110 That's what you were thinking 268 00:14:05,174 --> 00:14:06,278 when you saw Tracy Conley, right? 269 00:14:06,342 --> 00:14:09,118 Who? The woman Monique set up for you. 270 00:14:11,948 --> 00:14:14,155 Mmm-hmm. That's right. She gave you up. 271 00:14:15,151 --> 00:14:17,131 Okay, so now what? 272 00:14:17,186 --> 00:14:18,927 BRISCOE: So, you're admitting you robbed her? 273 00:14:18,988 --> 00:14:20,934 You already have the plastic. 274 00:14:21,190 --> 00:14:22,897 And that woman's probably in there right now, 275 00:14:22,959 --> 00:14:24,734 pointing her finger at me. What woman? 276 00:14:25,728 --> 00:14:27,264 The one I took off, Tracy. 277 00:14:27,330 --> 00:14:28,809 Oh, so now you crazy? 278 00:14:29,365 --> 00:14:32,369 Look, I already confessed. Y'all need to back up off me 279 00:14:32,435 --> 00:14:33,846 and tell me what the damn plea is. 280 00:14:33,903 --> 00:14:36,315 Tracy's not in there because you killed her, Arnold. 281 00:14:37,340 --> 00:14:38,614 What are you talking about? 282 00:14:38,675 --> 00:14:41,554 You stabbed her nine times, Arnold, you think she was gonna live? 283 00:14:41,611 --> 00:14:42,988 No, I didn't stab nobody. 284 00:14:43,046 --> 00:14:45,083 You took her money, and when she resisted you stuck that knife... 285 00:14:45,148 --> 00:14:46,422 No, I didn't do nothing! 286 00:14:46,482 --> 00:14:49,463 If I gotta knock your head on all four of these walls, I will. 287 00:14:49,686 --> 00:14:52,565 Look, I split when some guy ran up to try to help her. 288 00:14:52,622 --> 00:14:54,693 I swear, I don't know nothing about her being dead. 289 00:14:54,757 --> 00:14:55,758 VAN BUREN: Detective! 290 00:14:57,193 --> 00:14:58,536 Let him go. 291 00:15:09,172 --> 00:15:11,482 You wanna tell me what the hell happened in there? 292 00:15:11,541 --> 00:15:13,680 Kid got a little personal when we collared him. 293 00:15:13,943 --> 00:15:15,013 And? 294 00:15:15,078 --> 00:15:16,887 And I was trying to get a statement. 295 00:15:16,946 --> 00:15:19,222 Preliminary forensics on his knife. 296 00:15:19,282 --> 00:15:20,761 It wasn't the murder weapon. 297 00:15:21,250 --> 00:15:24,163 The kid's still got a record for this kind of thing, Lou. 298 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:26,427 Fine. We'll hold him on the robbery for now. 299 00:15:26,489 --> 00:15:28,526 But in the meantime, we just got a call 300 00:15:28,591 --> 00:15:30,832 from Conley's office. Something's going on there, 301 00:15:30,893 --> 00:15:32,964 and you two need to check it out right away. 302 00:15:39,302 --> 00:15:42,044 We got here and these two therapists are arguing, 303 00:15:42,105 --> 00:15:44,346 accusing each other for stealing from your vic. 304 00:15:44,407 --> 00:15:46,444 We figured it's your case, you sort it out. 305 00:15:48,678 --> 00:15:51,124 Okay, who wants to tell us what happened? 306 00:15:51,614 --> 00:15:52,854 (BOTH ARGUING) 307 00:15:52,915 --> 00:15:55,156 Whoa, whoa. One doc: at a time. 308 00:15:55,885 --> 00:15:58,263 Last night, Tracy's parents called me to ask if I could 309 00:15:58,321 --> 00:15:59,595 come in and pack up her belongings. 310 00:15:59,655 --> 00:16:00,861 You never told me that. 311 00:16:00,923 --> 00:16:02,561 Wait a minute. Who actually works in this office? 312 00:16:02,625 --> 00:16:03,660 There are three of us. 313 00:16:03,726 --> 00:16:05,672 Myself, Dr. McBride, and Tracy. 314 00:16:05,728 --> 00:16:07,264 We see clients different days, split the rent. 315 00:16:07,330 --> 00:16:10,436 Yeah, but the rule is you're not allowed to come in when you are not seeing patients. 316 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:11,570 So, that's what this is about? 317 00:16:11,634 --> 00:16:13,011 Your boundaries being violated? 318 00:16:13,069 --> 00:16:15,015 I came in, the office door was open, 319 00:16:15,071 --> 00:16:17,210 Dr. Gerring was packing up Tracy's laptop. 320 00:16:17,273 --> 00:16:18,547 BRISCOE: Is that right? Yes, but I... 321 00:16:18,608 --> 00:16:20,645 I told him to stop, but he refused. 322 00:16:20,943 --> 00:16:22,616 Said it was none of my business. 323 00:16:22,678 --> 00:16:24,351 That's when I called the cops. 324 00:16:24,414 --> 00:16:27,486 Dr. Gerring, you are aware that there's a criminal investigation 325 00:16:27,550 --> 00:16:30,053 going on regarding Tracy Conley's murder? 326 00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:31,757 I was just trying to save some research. 327 00:16:31,821 --> 00:16:32,993 ED: What research? 328 00:16:35,291 --> 00:16:38,170 Tracy and I had been working on a book for over a year. 329 00:16:38,227 --> 00:16:39,262 (SCOFFS) 330 00:16:39,328 --> 00:16:41,535 We were trying to keep it quiet until we had a publisher, 331 00:16:41,597 --> 00:16:43,736 lest anyone steal our idea. 332 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,304 You two see other patients, or you just treat each other? 333 00:16:47,770 --> 00:16:51,149 So, you saw Tracy regularly outside this office? 334 00:16:51,207 --> 00:16:52,845 We'd meet, we'd work over the Internet. 335 00:16:52,909 --> 00:16:55,389 BRISCOE: When you heard about Tracy's murder, your first reaction 336 00:16:55,445 --> 00:16:57,220 was to worry about your research? 337 00:16:58,181 --> 00:17:01,060 I know how it sounds, but we put a lot of work into this project. 338 00:17:01,117 --> 00:17:02,357 Tracy would have wanted me to finish. 339 00:17:02,418 --> 00:17:03,726 And you'll take all the credit. 340 00:17:03,786 --> 00:17:06,027 Well, we're still gonna have to take this. 341 00:17:06,089 --> 00:17:07,898 GERRING: But I haven't downloaded the files yet. 342 00:17:08,291 --> 00:17:09,998 If I were you, I'd be more concerned about 343 00:17:10,059 --> 00:17:13,404 downloading the details of your alibi for Monday night. 344 00:17:15,431 --> 00:17:17,934 And we're sure Gerring's relationship with Conley 345 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,206 was strictly professional? 346 00:17:19,268 --> 00:17:20,269 His wife seems to think so. 347 00:17:20,336 --> 00:17:22,509 Also, his alibi checks out. 348 00:17:22,572 --> 00:17:25,553 Hotel receipts and airline tickets prove he was in Boston 349 00:17:25,608 --> 00:17:27,019 at the time of the murder. 350 00:17:27,076 --> 00:17:28,453 I'd still like another crack at Arnold. 351 00:17:28,511 --> 00:17:32,823 Well, he lawyered up once Monique agreed to cooperate against him for the robbery. 352 00:17:33,583 --> 00:17:36,496 Look, he's not going anywhere, Detective. 353 00:17:36,552 --> 00:17:39,965 You find a murder weapon or a witness, I'll bring it to the D.A. 354 00:17:40,022 --> 00:17:43,595 In the meantime, we follow this investigation where it leads us. 355 00:17:43,659 --> 00:17:46,572 Now, what was so important about this research 356 00:17:46,629 --> 00:17:48,973 that Gerring tried to steal her computer? 357 00:17:49,032 --> 00:17:51,603 Some psychology study he says they were working on. 358 00:17:51,667 --> 00:17:53,738 A study about what? We're not sure. 359 00:17:53,803 --> 00:17:56,181 Well, keep digging into what's left of her personal life 360 00:17:56,239 --> 00:17:57,912 or get someone to check out this research. 361 00:17:57,974 --> 00:18:00,682 Maybe there's a patient worth taking a look at. 362 00:18:05,281 --> 00:18:06,885 DR. SKODA: Certainly a wide cross-section of subjects 363 00:18:06,949 --> 00:18:08,451 your therapist had in this study. 364 00:18:08,518 --> 00:18:11,226 ED: We were hoping that somebody would just pop out at you. 365 00:18:11,821 --> 00:18:14,267 If I could've gotten into her individual session files, maybe, 366 00:18:14,323 --> 00:18:16,132 but those are all password protected. 367 00:18:16,926 --> 00:18:19,338 The only thing that's readable are her general notes. 368 00:18:19,796 --> 00:18:21,901 Anything interesting at least? 369 00:18:22,598 --> 00:18:25,101 Basically, those notes are clinical assessments of 370 00:18:25,168 --> 00:18:28,047 forty something males and females who correspond to research 371 00:18:28,104 --> 00:18:30,744 on early socialization attributed to pre-school exposure. 372 00:18:30,807 --> 00:18:32,912 You lost me after "basically." 373 00:18:33,676 --> 00:18:36,623 Your shrink was trying to predict anti-social behavior 374 00:18:36,679 --> 00:18:39,319 by looking at her subjects' early childhood experience. 375 00:18:39,382 --> 00:18:42,886 Did she predict that somebody would grow up and murder their therapist? 376 00:18:43,853 --> 00:18:45,799 You'd have to get into her actual session notes. 377 00:18:45,855 --> 00:18:47,163 That's where any clues would be. 378 00:18:47,223 --> 00:18:48,668 BRISCOE: What kind of clues? 379 00:18:49,225 --> 00:18:51,671 First thing I'd look for would be some sort of physical abuse. 380 00:18:51,727 --> 00:18:52,831 Possibly sexual. 381 00:18:53,362 --> 00:18:56,832 And because the nature of your murder was particularly vicious, 382 00:18:56,899 --> 00:18:59,209 I'd focus on anyone who could've felt betrayed by their therapist. 383 00:19:00,036 --> 00:19:03,108 At 150 an hour that'd be practically everybody, wouldn't it? 384 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,886 So, how do you break somebody's password? 385 00:19:06,943 --> 00:19:09,321 If I told you, you wouldn't come to see me anymore. 386 00:19:10,413 --> 00:19:11,585 We're in. 387 00:19:12,014 --> 00:19:14,221 Can you print out the names of her patients? 388 00:19:14,550 --> 00:19:16,223 Just need to find the right file. 389 00:19:17,854 --> 00:19:20,027 Wait, that's pretty interesting. What's that? 390 00:19:20,823 --> 00:19:22,063 When did you say this murder occurred? 391 00:19:22,124 --> 00:19:23,330 It was the 19th. Why? 392 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,962 Pretty much all word processing programs 393 00:19:26,028 --> 00:19:27,564 record the time and date of files modified, 394 00:19:27,630 --> 00:19:29,473 let's you see the last time you worked on it. 395 00:19:29,532 --> 00:19:30,909 All these 396 00:19:30,967 --> 00:19:32,947 have dates showing they were accessed before the 19th, 397 00:19:33,002 --> 00:19:34,310 but this one... 398 00:19:34,871 --> 00:19:37,249 ED: Was modified the day after the murder. 399 00:19:37,306 --> 00:19:40,150 Wait. Can you pull up that file the way it was before it was changed? 400 00:19:40,209 --> 00:19:43,053 I told you, Detective, I can pull up anything. 401 00:19:44,981 --> 00:19:47,018 Virgil Rice, male, 42 years old. 402 00:19:47,083 --> 00:19:50,860 Treated for depression and anxiety related to stress in the workplace. 403 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,093 That's what the file said after it was changed. 404 00:19:53,155 --> 00:19:55,101 This is how it read before. 405 00:19:56,325 --> 00:19:58,362 Four years on a rape charge, 406 00:19:58,427 --> 00:20:00,202 previous conviction for assault, 407 00:20:00,263 --> 00:20:02,869 released from Sing Sing six months ago. 408 00:20:02,932 --> 00:20:04,809 It's a whole different Virgil Rice. 409 00:20:04,867 --> 00:20:07,905 If he was seeing Tracy Conley as a condition of parole... 410 00:20:07,970 --> 00:20:10,007 Doesn't look like things went too well. 411 00:20:10,072 --> 00:20:11,949 Tracy's notes from the original file 412 00:20:12,008 --> 00:20:14,887 show Virgil's boss caught him downloading porn 413 00:20:14,944 --> 00:20:16,082 off the Internet at work. 414 00:20:16,145 --> 00:20:18,056 She was about to recommend a parole violation. 415 00:20:18,114 --> 00:20:19,616 He'd be facing five years. 416 00:20:19,682 --> 00:20:20,922 Only according to her notes, 417 00:20:20,983 --> 00:20:22,656 she never got to tell his P.O. 418 00:20:22,718 --> 00:20:24,664 Her next report wasn't due for a couple of weeks. 419 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,790 Rice found out. 420 00:20:25,855 --> 00:20:28,563 He was in her office three times a week, for six months. 421 00:20:28,624 --> 00:20:32,071 Yeah, so she turns her back, goes to the bathroom, 422 00:20:32,128 --> 00:20:35,007 he sees her notes, gets a hold of her password somehow. 423 00:20:35,064 --> 00:20:37,237 That's exactly the kind of betrayal scenario 424 00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:38,574 Skoda said we should be looking for. 425 00:20:39,068 --> 00:20:40,240 Pick him up. 426 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,286 Would you say your orange juice had too little pulp, 427 00:20:53,816 --> 00:20:56,422 too much pulp, or just the right amount of pulp? 428 00:20:56,485 --> 00:20:58,795 It's The Three Bears. Virgil Rice. 429 00:20:59,388 --> 00:21:02,267 What's this about? It ain't about O.J. 430 00:21:08,097 --> 00:21:10,703 So, you been getting your head shrunk, Virgil? 431 00:21:10,766 --> 00:21:14,270 Three times a week, exactly like my P.O. told me. 432 00:21:15,237 --> 00:21:17,843 But then, I'm sure you know that. 433 00:21:18,441 --> 00:21:20,853 ED: So, you went on Tuesday? Yeah. 434 00:21:21,444 --> 00:21:23,947 I went. Dr. Conley wasn't there. 435 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,788 I figured something came up. 436 00:21:26,349 --> 00:21:28,556 You know what I find curious, Virgil? 437 00:21:29,352 --> 00:21:31,423 You haven't asked us what this is all about. 438 00:21:32,188 --> 00:21:34,395 Cops are like sharks. 439 00:21:35,024 --> 00:21:37,231 The more you thrash, the more they attack. 440 00:21:37,793 --> 00:21:39,739 Is that what it's like when you rape women? 441 00:21:41,797 --> 00:21:43,174 I'm in recovery. 442 00:21:43,232 --> 00:21:46,406 Does your recovery include downloading porn off the Internet? 443 00:21:46,902 --> 00:21:50,748 I don't do that. That violates parole. 444 00:21:50,806 --> 00:21:54,413 ED: That is exactly what we thought when we read about it in your file. 445 00:21:54,477 --> 00:21:57,549 BRISCOE: You know, they told us that the problem with that delete button 446 00:21:57,613 --> 00:22:01,584 is that you always leave a little copy someplace on the hard drive. 447 00:22:02,418 --> 00:22:05,524 Now, tell me, what kind of a perv would stab 448 00:22:05,588 --> 00:22:07,465 the only person who's trying to help? 449 00:22:07,523 --> 00:22:09,196 He's a rapist. Any woman I know 450 00:22:09,258 --> 00:22:10,362 would want you to rot in jail. 451 00:22:10,426 --> 00:22:13,373 Tracy Conley at least thought you were worth trying to rehabilitate. 452 00:22:13,429 --> 00:22:14,601 You don't know what you're talking about. 453 00:22:14,664 --> 00:22:16,268 She counseled you. She listened to you. 454 00:22:16,332 --> 00:22:18,539 She had her own agenda She was your therapist. 455 00:22:18,601 --> 00:22:20,137 Her agenda was trying to help you. 456 00:22:20,202 --> 00:22:22,113 She was out to screw me from the very beginning. 457 00:22:22,171 --> 00:22:24,412 She got what she deserved. 458 00:22:24,473 --> 00:22:25,577 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 459 00:22:27,143 --> 00:22:29,953 Jasmine Kosovich, Mr. Rice's attorney. 460 00:22:30,012 --> 00:22:31,958 Sorry to break up the party. 461 00:22:36,318 --> 00:22:37,524 So, the theory is he killed her 462 00:22:37,586 --> 00:22:39,532 because she was about to violate his parole? 463 00:22:39,588 --> 00:22:41,067 He owed another five years. 464 00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:44,093 And she was foolish enough to disclose that, 465 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,798 prior to filing her recommendation? 466 00:22:45,861 --> 00:22:48,569 I talked to his parole officer. She hadn't told him yet. 467 00:22:48,631 --> 00:22:50,975 So, how did Rice find out? 468 00:22:51,033 --> 00:22:53,946 Well, somehow he got access to her computer. 469 00:22:54,003 --> 00:22:57,041 And the day after the murder, Rice's file was altered. 470 00:22:57,473 --> 00:23:00,317 Anything mentioning his parole violation was deleted. 471 00:23:01,444 --> 00:23:03,549 I thought those files were password protected. 472 00:23:03,612 --> 00:23:04,716 Well, according to our techie, 473 00:23:04,780 --> 00:23:06,350 they're not all that hard to break these days. 474 00:23:06,415 --> 00:23:09,726 And three sessions a week, he would have had plenty of opportunity. 475 00:23:10,186 --> 00:23:14,134 It also doesn't explain how the file was altered the day after she was killed. 476 00:23:14,790 --> 00:23:16,463 Unless he broke into her office. 477 00:23:17,126 --> 00:23:19,231 There weren't any signs of forced entry. 478 00:23:19,295 --> 00:23:21,104 The file wasn't altered on its own. 479 00:23:21,564 --> 00:23:23,874 Well, I'll have Briscoe and Green toss his place again. 480 00:23:26,302 --> 00:23:27,975 There's nothing in the kitchen. 481 00:23:28,637 --> 00:23:30,378 I found some keys in a desk drawer, 482 00:23:30,439 --> 00:23:32,817 but nothing that looks like the key to the office. 483 00:23:32,875 --> 00:23:34,183 You know, Lennie, this doesn't make any sense. 484 00:23:34,243 --> 00:23:35,483 I checked this dude's rap sheet, 485 00:23:35,544 --> 00:23:37,387 his MO was deserted streets and parking lots. 486 00:23:37,446 --> 00:23:39,357 I figured, if he had the talent to break into somebody's place, 487 00:23:39,415 --> 00:23:40,655 he'd have done it already. 488 00:23:40,716 --> 00:23:42,889 Maybe he never needed to break in before. 489 00:23:42,952 --> 00:23:45,125 What are you saying, this shrink made house calls? 490 00:23:45,187 --> 00:23:48,168 I'm saying maybe he got all his information over the phone. 491 00:23:48,824 --> 00:23:50,929 "A Cyberhead's Guide To Eavesdropping. " 492 00:23:50,993 --> 00:23:53,701 Yeah, let your fingers do the walking. 493 00:23:54,497 --> 00:23:56,773 Looks like he sent her a worm. Worm? 494 00:23:56,832 --> 00:23:58,505 It's sort of like a computer virus. 495 00:23:58,567 --> 00:24:00,205 It was probably sent to her as an attachment 496 00:24:00,269 --> 00:24:02,078 to an e-mail. She opens it, 497 00:24:03,139 --> 00:24:04,140 and he's in. 498 00:24:05,174 --> 00:24:08,121 Reason number 37 for me not to open my e-mail. 499 00:24:08,177 --> 00:24:09,815 Don't nobody send you e-mail. 500 00:24:10,346 --> 00:24:12,758 Whoever sent this was able to monitor her activity 501 00:24:12,815 --> 00:24:14,055 keystroke by keystroke. 502 00:24:14,116 --> 00:24:15,993 Oh, wait a minute, are you telling us that Rice was able to 503 00:24:16,051 --> 00:24:18,122 see everything that she typed as she typed it? 504 00:24:18,721 --> 00:24:21,429 Every website she visited, every document she worked on. 505 00:24:21,490 --> 00:24:22,969 What about altering her files? 506 00:24:23,025 --> 00:24:25,130 He would have had complete control of her laptop, 507 00:24:25,194 --> 00:24:26,867 as if he was sitting at the keyboard. 508 00:24:26,929 --> 00:24:28,272 BRISCOE: How hard is this to do? 509 00:24:28,330 --> 00:24:30,003 Anyone with a computer can do it. 510 00:24:30,065 --> 00:24:32,602 Can we prove Rice sent the worm that you found? 511 00:24:32,668 --> 00:24:34,204 CAMP: She deleted the e-mail. 512 00:24:34,270 --> 00:24:36,876 It still leaves a fragment on the hard drive, but... 513 00:24:36,939 --> 00:24:39,078 ED: Not enough to reconstruct who actually sent it. 514 00:24:39,141 --> 00:24:40,814 So, as far as the court's concerned, 515 00:24:40,876 --> 00:24:42,878 we have an interesting theory and not much else. 516 00:24:42,945 --> 00:24:44,185 Not necessarily. 517 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,217 I also found something on his computer. 518 00:24:49,185 --> 00:24:52,325 Information he couldn't have gotten from the worm program by itself. 519 00:24:52,388 --> 00:24:54,095 What sort of information? 520 00:24:54,156 --> 00:24:56,067 CAMP: Bank accounts, credit history, 521 00:24:56,125 --> 00:24:58,901 her driving record. And this. 522 00:25:05,034 --> 00:25:07,139 Raped? In college. 523 00:25:07,203 --> 00:25:10,480 The computer tech found posts she'd made to a survivor chat room. 524 00:25:10,539 --> 00:25:12,246 They were in a file on Rice's computer. 525 00:25:12,308 --> 00:25:15,414 A rapist finds out his therapist is a rape victim. 526 00:25:15,477 --> 00:25:17,548 Explains what he meant when he said that she was out to get him. 527 00:25:17,947 --> 00:25:21,019 He fits Skoda's pattern of a patient who would have felt betrayed. 528 00:25:21,584 --> 00:25:24,758 And he obtained all this information from the computer worm program? 529 00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:28,393 No, he got the chat room posts before he ever sent Conley the worm. 530 00:25:28,457 --> 00:25:29,800 From where? 531 00:25:29,859 --> 00:25:33,238 An online data brokerage company called Access Nation. 532 00:25:33,295 --> 00:25:35,798 We think he came across the company while he was doing telemarketing. 533 00:25:35,865 --> 00:25:37,276 Data brokerage? 534 00:25:37,333 --> 00:25:39,904 They're kind of like an online Pl firm. 535 00:25:39,969 --> 00:25:41,880 We found the references to them on Rice's computer. 536 00:25:41,937 --> 00:25:44,281 They probably were the ones who sold him the chat room posts. 537 00:25:44,773 --> 00:25:46,411 If they did, we're gonna need a witness. 538 00:25:47,843 --> 00:25:48,878 Nail it down. 539 00:25:52,181 --> 00:25:54,821 Well, we've been pretty much immune from the whole tech downturn. 540 00:25:54,883 --> 00:25:57,420 In fact, the market for personal data just gets bigger and bigger, 541 00:25:57,486 --> 00:25:59,022 especially in the wake of September 11th. 542 00:25:59,088 --> 00:26:01,193 People want to know what their neighbors are up to, you know? 543 00:26:01,257 --> 00:26:03,464 Exactly what kind of services do you provide? 544 00:26:03,525 --> 00:26:06,335 We sell information gathering services, as well as software. 545 00:26:06,395 --> 00:26:08,102 In other words, spyware. 546 00:26:08,163 --> 00:26:11,667 Well, the information's already out there. We just hunt and gather. 547 00:26:12,368 --> 00:26:14,279 What about chat room postings? 548 00:26:17,806 --> 00:26:19,046 May I ask why you want to know? 549 00:26:19,508 --> 00:26:21,681 We're investigating a case involving one of your clients. 550 00:26:21,744 --> 00:26:24,156 We're just trying to figure out what kind of information he bought here. 551 00:26:24,213 --> 00:26:25,954 I'm afraid I can't divulge that. 552 00:26:26,015 --> 00:26:27,756 It's a homicide investigation. 553 00:26:27,816 --> 00:26:29,352 I'm sorry, 554 00:26:29,418 --> 00:26:32,024 but we contractually guarantee the privacy of all our clients. 555 00:26:32,755 --> 00:26:34,962 I can be back here with a subpoena in an hour. 556 00:26:35,024 --> 00:26:37,903 Divulging our techniques would be revealing trade secrets. 557 00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:41,197 If you're gonna come with a subpoena, you better bring a big one. 558 00:26:42,498 --> 00:26:44,444 They're hiding behind trade secrets. 559 00:26:45,501 --> 00:26:49,005 Which probably gives them enough of a legal argument to delay our subpoena. 560 00:26:49,071 --> 00:26:50,948 Is there any other way to tie Rice to them? 561 00:26:51,006 --> 00:26:54,544 We can link four charges on his credit card to Access Nation. 562 00:26:54,610 --> 00:26:56,317 The first ones were for information packages. 563 00:26:56,378 --> 00:26:58,119 The last one was for the worm. 564 00:26:58,180 --> 00:27:00,820 This guy was a stalker by nature, Jack. 565 00:27:00,883 --> 00:27:05,957 So, he stumbles on the fact that she's a rape survivor, he buys the worm... 566 00:27:06,321 --> 00:27:07,629 And the fuse is lit. 567 00:27:09,124 --> 00:27:11,764 It's hard to believe a person's life can be so easily accessed. 568 00:27:11,827 --> 00:27:12,862 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 569 00:27:13,462 --> 00:27:14,873 So much for chatting with 570 00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:18,104 my college roommate in London for the price of a local call. 571 00:27:18,167 --> 00:27:20,545 But all this is still speculation. 572 00:27:22,071 --> 00:27:25,575 Motion to suppress Rice's statement and the contents of his computer. 573 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,156 SERENA: "She got what she deserved." That's an admission. 574 00:27:34,216 --> 00:27:36,856 What they did violates doctor-patient privilege. 575 00:27:36,919 --> 00:27:40,128 Virgil Rice signed a waiver of any privilege as a condition of parole. 576 00:27:40,189 --> 00:27:43,432 His therapist was free to share the contents of his file with his parole officer 577 00:27:43,492 --> 00:27:44,800 and the state of New York. 578 00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:46,237 Just because my client signed a waiver 579 00:27:46,295 --> 00:27:48,332 shouldn't give some guy from the Department of Transportation 580 00:27:48,397 --> 00:27:49,705 the right to read his medical file. 581 00:27:49,765 --> 00:27:51,335 Never happened. 582 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,506 When Tracy Conley was murdered, her possessions passed to her parents. 583 00:27:54,937 --> 00:27:56,439 They consented to a search of the laptop. 584 00:27:56,505 --> 00:27:57,950 But not her patients' files. 585 00:27:58,006 --> 00:27:59,144 When the police broke that password, 586 00:27:59,208 --> 00:28:02,018 it was the same as if they broke the lock on her file cabinet, 587 00:28:02,077 --> 00:28:04,853 then they used that information to obtain a statement from Mr. Rice 588 00:28:04,913 --> 00:28:06,722 and to search his apartment. 589 00:28:06,782 --> 00:28:08,022 I'm sorry, but I can't imagine 590 00:28:08,083 --> 00:28:10,222 anything more personal than a medical file. 591 00:28:10,686 --> 00:28:13,030 Parole or no parole, I am not comfortable 592 00:28:13,088 --> 00:28:16,160 with the police sitting with a technician, breaking a password 593 00:28:16,225 --> 00:28:19,138 obviously intended by his therapist to keep the public out. 594 00:28:19,194 --> 00:28:21,572 Take the information in the medical file out of the equation, 595 00:28:21,630 --> 00:28:24,201 there is no reason for the police to search Mr. Rice's home. 596 00:28:24,266 --> 00:28:27,770 JACK: If Your Honor conducted a hearing, I'm sure these detectives would tell you 597 00:28:27,836 --> 00:28:29,838 that a violent felon with connections 598 00:28:29,905 --> 00:28:32,818 to the victim would be first on their list of people whose homes they'd search. 599 00:28:32,875 --> 00:28:34,946 People's position's correct. 600 00:28:35,511 --> 00:28:37,684 While the defendant's statement was obtained using 601 00:28:37,746 --> 00:28:39,282 the contents of his medical file, 602 00:28:39,348 --> 00:28:41,453 the items recovered from his apartment 603 00:28:41,517 --> 00:28:43,588 weren't and would have been inevitably discovered. 604 00:28:44,486 --> 00:28:47,592 Your client's statement is out. Everything else is in. 605 00:28:49,258 --> 00:28:51,761 She ruled Rice had a reasonable expectation of privacy 606 00:28:51,827 --> 00:28:52,897 in his therapy files. 607 00:28:52,961 --> 00:28:54,907 Despite the parole waiver? 608 00:28:54,963 --> 00:28:58,410 Well, she still took issue how we accessed Tracy Conley's computer files. 609 00:28:58,801 --> 00:29:00,712 If we hadn't, Rice would still be out there. 610 00:29:00,769 --> 00:29:03,113 So, we have no physical evidence, no witnesses. 611 00:29:03,172 --> 00:29:06,176 Everything still adds up, the motive, the worm program. 612 00:29:06,241 --> 00:29:08,118 I think we can get a jury to add two plus two. 613 00:29:08,177 --> 00:29:12,751 And a good defense attorney can get them to say it's 17. Offer him a plea. 614 00:29:16,819 --> 00:29:19,823 So, this guy murders our daughter 615 00:29:19,888 --> 00:29:23,028 and all he gets is 10 years for manslaughter? 616 00:29:23,091 --> 00:29:25,628 Ten plus the five for violating parole. 617 00:29:25,694 --> 00:29:27,002 He'll serve 15. 618 00:29:27,496 --> 00:29:29,908 But only 10 for Tracy's murder. 619 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,743 PATRICIA: I can't believe this. 620 00:29:33,635 --> 00:29:35,512 How could his confession be suppressed? 621 00:29:36,438 --> 00:29:38,247 SERENA: I know that it's hard to understand. 622 00:29:39,608 --> 00:29:41,246 What does that mean exactly? 623 00:29:42,077 --> 00:29:43,681 PATRICIA: It means the police screwed up. 624 00:29:43,745 --> 00:29:45,691 Patricia, please... if they opened this guy's file 625 00:29:45,747 --> 00:29:47,454 when they weren't supposed to, they screwed up. 626 00:29:47,516 --> 00:29:49,587 Now, why should Tracy get penalized for that? Please. 627 00:29:50,252 --> 00:29:52,789 Let's try to figure out what's happening here. 628 00:29:55,057 --> 00:29:56,400 This isn't helping. 629 00:29:58,460 --> 00:29:59,768 I'm sorry. 630 00:30:00,863 --> 00:30:02,240 I just... 631 00:30:04,933 --> 00:30:07,209 Isn't there anything we can do? 632 00:30:08,137 --> 00:30:09,548 Can we talk to the judge? 633 00:30:10,639 --> 00:30:11,845 I'm afraid that won't help. 634 00:30:13,442 --> 00:30:15,285 PATRICIA: Our only child was murdered. 635 00:30:16,378 --> 00:30:17,482 And you come and tell us 636 00:30:17,546 --> 00:30:19,890 that the man who killed her had his privacy rights violated? 637 00:30:21,116 --> 00:30:23,357 But when that creep was stalking our daughter online, 638 00:30:23,418 --> 00:30:25,329 where was the law for her? 639 00:30:25,387 --> 00:30:27,162 Who was protecting her rights? 640 00:30:35,297 --> 00:30:39,211 Parents are right. Rice's privacy is protected by the court, 641 00:30:39,268 --> 00:30:43,114 while their daughter's life is an open book being read by a convicted rapist. 642 00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:47,116 Like it or not, judges are going to hold the government to a higher standard. 643 00:30:47,176 --> 00:30:49,452 The threat faced by Tracy Conley 644 00:30:49,511 --> 00:30:50,819 had nothing to do with the government. 645 00:30:51,346 --> 00:30:53,622 If you're talking about Access Nation, 646 00:30:53,682 --> 00:30:56,720 there's nothing in the law that prohibits what they did. 647 00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:00,965 They repeatedly sold personal information to a convicted criminal. 648 00:31:01,490 --> 00:31:03,993 Concern for Tracy Conley's safety was non-existent. 649 00:31:04,059 --> 00:31:05,094 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 650 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,400 Yes. 651 00:31:07,696 --> 00:31:09,835 I've got those Grand Jury subpoenas. 652 00:31:09,898 --> 00:31:12,742 What subpoenas? Access Nation. 653 00:31:12,801 --> 00:31:13,802 LEWIN: Now, wait a minute. 654 00:31:14,436 --> 00:31:16,973 If we go after these people, we're going to have to prove they knew 655 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:21,215 there was a danger here and that they recklessly chose to ignore it. 656 00:31:21,276 --> 00:31:23,119 SERENA: Take a look at what they're peddling. 657 00:31:23,178 --> 00:31:24,384 When they gave Rice the worm, 658 00:31:24,446 --> 00:31:27,290 they gave a predator the tools to stalk this woman. 659 00:31:28,417 --> 00:31:30,192 I've been doing some investigating on my own, 660 00:31:30,252 --> 00:31:31,925 and I've got both your files. 661 00:31:36,558 --> 00:31:39,061 You bank at Citibank. These are your account balances. 662 00:31:39,761 --> 00:31:41,502 I also got all the websites you've ever visited. 663 00:31:42,064 --> 00:31:44,408 And by the way, you really shouldn't use your grandmother's name 664 00:31:44,466 --> 00:31:46,639 as your password for absolutely everything. 665 00:31:47,469 --> 00:31:49,779 You're reading a biography by Eleanor Roosevelt. 666 00:31:49,838 --> 00:31:51,818 You listen to a lot of Beatles and fusion jazz, 667 00:31:51,873 --> 00:31:55,753 and you've got what I can only describe as a very weird obsession with the Clash. 668 00:31:55,811 --> 00:31:59,315 I know what movies you've rented and pretty much your entire medical history. 669 00:32:00,082 --> 00:32:02,790 And sumatriptan, is that for migraines? 670 00:32:03,952 --> 00:32:05,397 I could read yours. 671 00:32:10,826 --> 00:32:13,534 Rice may have killed her, but let's at least find out if Access Nation 672 00:32:13,595 --> 00:32:15,836 was the one who put the knife in his hand. 673 00:32:20,102 --> 00:32:22,548 Do you believe in the free flow of information, Mr. McCoy? 674 00:32:23,638 --> 00:32:26,642 Your willingness to apply that policy to a convicted rapist 675 00:32:26,708 --> 00:32:28,016 is precisely why we're here. 676 00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:30,022 Is there a question, Mr. McCoy? 677 00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:32,820 Virgil Rice retained the services of your company 678 00:32:32,881 --> 00:32:35,054 four different times. Each time he sought information about 679 00:32:35,117 --> 00:32:38,860 just one person. We'd like to know if you or anyone 680 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,866 at Access Nation ever asked him why. 681 00:32:40,923 --> 00:32:42,766 BRANSON: You don't have to answer that, John. 682 00:32:42,824 --> 00:32:43,825 No, I wanna answer it. 683 00:32:44,426 --> 00:32:47,168 All of our clients fill out a detailed application, 684 00:32:47,229 --> 00:32:48,731 and in that application 685 00:32:48,797 --> 00:32:51,505 they're specifically asked whether or not they have a criminal record. 686 00:32:51,566 --> 00:32:53,603 And you just take their word for it? 687 00:32:54,302 --> 00:32:57,306 We're not selling guns, Ms. Southerlyn, we're selling information. 688 00:32:57,372 --> 00:32:58,874 Intimate information, 689 00:32:58,940 --> 00:33:01,386 which placed in the wrong hands led to a woman's death. 690 00:33:02,010 --> 00:33:03,683 If you're referring to Tracy Conley, 691 00:33:03,745 --> 00:33:05,850 you already have a defendant who pled guilty to her murder. 692 00:33:06,348 --> 00:33:09,329 Any other questions about that seem a little irrelevant now. 693 00:33:09,384 --> 00:33:10,886 We do simple detective work. 694 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,300 All we do is follow the bread crumbs 695 00:33:13,355 --> 00:33:15,357 people leave behind as they surf the net. 696 00:33:15,757 --> 00:33:20,035 It's who you sell the bread crumbs to that concerns us, Mr. McDowell. 697 00:33:20,495 --> 00:33:22,372 I'm afraid this conversation is over. 698 00:33:22,798 --> 00:33:23,868 If you have any further questions, 699 00:33:23,932 --> 00:33:25,673 they're going to have to be in front of a Grand Jury. 700 00:33:33,108 --> 00:33:36,089 All the information to anyone who can pay and damn the consequences. 701 00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:37,555 Why not? There aren't any. 702 00:33:37,612 --> 00:33:39,751 What gets me is how they can sit across the table from us 703 00:33:39,815 --> 00:33:42,455 and claim that if they ask a question on a form that that covers it. 704 00:33:42,517 --> 00:33:45,123 What gets me is they think we buy it. 705 00:33:45,187 --> 00:33:46,825 Find out who Rice was dealing with. 706 00:33:46,888 --> 00:33:49,494 I doubt a company with that much access to information 707 00:33:49,558 --> 00:33:52,038 is as ignorant about their clients as they claim to be. 708 00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:57,604 Actually, I don't do investigative work anymore. 709 00:33:57,666 --> 00:33:59,703 I'm a manager now. A promotion. 710 00:33:59,768 --> 00:34:01,270 Must have been fairly recent. 711 00:34:01,336 --> 00:34:02,644 A few weeks ago. 712 00:34:02,704 --> 00:34:05,014 But prior to that, you were an online investigator. 713 00:34:05,073 --> 00:34:06,143 Right. 714 00:34:06,908 --> 00:34:10,082 One of the people you tracked was a woman named Tracy Conley. 715 00:34:10,946 --> 00:34:12,425 Name doesn't ring a bell. 716 00:34:13,315 --> 00:34:15,056 What about Virgil Rice? 717 00:34:16,151 --> 00:34:17,391 Sorry. 718 00:34:18,186 --> 00:34:20,826 You know, that surprises me, Mr. Kitson. 719 00:34:21,390 --> 00:34:23,427 Since you worked with Mr. Rice on four separate occasions, 720 00:34:23,492 --> 00:34:25,802 each one involving Tracy Conley. 721 00:34:30,432 --> 00:34:32,309 He's a convicted rapist. 722 00:34:33,735 --> 00:34:36,841 He used the information you sold him to murder this young woman. 723 00:34:37,739 --> 00:34:39,650 I just compile what's already out there. 724 00:34:39,708 --> 00:34:42,211 You can call an invasion of privacy whatever you want, 725 00:34:42,277 --> 00:34:44,484 but my boss intends to make an example of somebody. 726 00:34:44,546 --> 00:34:46,685 It can either be you or this company. 727 00:34:49,217 --> 00:34:51,356 I told John he lied. 728 00:34:52,053 --> 00:34:53,054 John McDowell. 729 00:34:53,121 --> 00:34:55,624 I told him Rice had a rape conviction. 730 00:34:56,558 --> 00:34:57,969 How did you find that out? 731 00:34:58,393 --> 00:35:01,897 Rice had multiple requests on the same target. I got curious. 732 00:35:04,967 --> 00:35:07,914 Only when I told McDowell about it, he got pissed. 733 00:35:07,969 --> 00:35:12,076 Told me it wasn't my job to be checking into the backgrounds of our clients. 734 00:35:14,776 --> 00:35:17,780 There's no question these people sold Rice the chat room postings 735 00:35:17,846 --> 00:35:19,723 with full knowledge of who he was. 736 00:35:20,349 --> 00:35:23,262 When Kitson informed McDowell, he was told to forget it. 737 00:35:23,318 --> 00:35:24,592 Then he got a promotion. 738 00:35:24,853 --> 00:35:26,764 Probably hoping he'd keep his mouth shut. 739 00:35:26,822 --> 00:35:27,926 I don't even think most people know 740 00:35:27,989 --> 00:35:29,593 that their chats are being archived. 741 00:35:29,691 --> 00:35:33,195 But once someone like Kitson tracks how you access the Internet, 742 00:35:33,261 --> 00:35:35,366 they can pretty much find out every site you've ever been to, 743 00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:37,876 and everything you've ever said online. 744 00:35:37,933 --> 00:35:39,674 Perhaps the privacy we're used to 745 00:35:39,735 --> 00:35:41,874 is a luxury we can no longer afford. 746 00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:44,473 Since when did closing the curtains on my private life 747 00:35:44,539 --> 00:35:46,018 ever become a luxury? 748 00:35:46,074 --> 00:35:48,281 Since people started crashing planes into buildings 749 00:35:48,343 --> 00:35:50,220 and trying to set their shoes on fire. 750 00:35:50,278 --> 00:35:53,623 No one's talking about limiting our ability to go after terrorists. 751 00:35:53,682 --> 00:35:57,186 What we're talking about is holding this company responsible 752 00:35:57,252 --> 00:35:59,664 for invading a woman's privacy for profit. 753 00:35:59,721 --> 00:36:02,725 Yes, except that it's companies like Access Nation 754 00:36:02,791 --> 00:36:04,668 who develop the technologies. 755 00:36:04,726 --> 00:36:07,707 I mean, the Feds have a worm, Magic Lantern, 756 00:36:07,762 --> 00:36:10,436 only they use it to catch terrorists, drug dealers. 757 00:36:10,999 --> 00:36:14,208 If we take away the private sector as a market for these products, 758 00:36:14,269 --> 00:36:15,680 we may never get them. 759 00:36:15,737 --> 00:36:17,774 And McDowell just gets a pass? 760 00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:21,048 If we take down McDowell for his violation of privacy, 761 00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:25,023 that opens the floodgates for lawyers to attack us and our methods. 762 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,459 A judge has already forced us to cut a deal with one murderer. 763 00:36:28,517 --> 00:36:30,997 You wanna train the police so the courts don't undermine us, 764 00:36:31,052 --> 00:36:32,793 there's a whole unit to do that with. 765 00:36:32,854 --> 00:36:34,765 Tactical Assistance Response Unit. 766 00:36:34,823 --> 00:36:36,598 But we can't let someone get away with murder 767 00:36:36,658 --> 00:36:39,571 just because it might make catching someone else tougher down the road. 768 00:36:44,933 --> 00:36:46,640 I believe my attorney said any more questions 769 00:36:46,701 --> 00:36:47,907 would have to be in front of a Grand Jury. 770 00:36:47,969 --> 00:36:50,074 Yeah, well, we're here to help arrange that. 771 00:36:50,138 --> 00:36:51,913 What are you doing? What are you talking about? 772 00:36:51,973 --> 00:36:54,317 John McDowell, you're under arrest for manslaughter 773 00:36:54,376 --> 00:36:55,616 in the death of Tracy Conley. 774 00:36:55,677 --> 00:36:57,884 You gotta be kidding me. I wanna call my lawyer. 775 00:36:57,946 --> 00:37:00,927 How about we just post your arrest on the Internet instead? 776 00:37:01,583 --> 00:37:02,857 You think about it. 777 00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:12,263 KITSON: Every e-mail you send contains a hidden header with your IP address. 778 00:37:13,228 --> 00:37:16,402 Assume we're all a little computer illiterate. 779 00:37:16,464 --> 00:37:17,841 KITSON: It's the network address 780 00:37:17,899 --> 00:37:20,243 your Internet provider uses to connect you. 781 00:37:20,302 --> 00:37:22,111 Once I link a person with it, 782 00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:24,309 I can search wherever that person's been online 783 00:37:24,372 --> 00:37:26,579 and what they've said or done once they got there. 784 00:37:27,442 --> 00:37:30,184 Did you track Tracy Conley using this method? 785 00:37:30,245 --> 00:37:31,553 For Virgil Rice. 786 00:37:32,247 --> 00:37:36,059 Did there come a time when your work for Mr. Rice began to concern you? 787 00:37:36,918 --> 00:37:39,558 Yes. When I found out he had a criminal record. 788 00:37:39,621 --> 00:37:41,567 Did you tell anyone about those concerns? 789 00:37:43,058 --> 00:37:44,662 I told Mr. McDowell. 790 00:37:44,726 --> 00:37:46,000 What was his reaction? 791 00:37:46,661 --> 00:37:49,938 He ordered me to stop checking into the backgrounds of clients. 792 00:37:49,998 --> 00:37:53,207 He said that it was against everything that the company stood for, 793 00:37:53,268 --> 00:37:55,509 that it was bad for business. 794 00:37:55,570 --> 00:37:56,947 JACK: No further questions. 795 00:37:59,608 --> 00:38:03,283 So, you knew Virgil Rice was a rapist? 796 00:38:03,745 --> 00:38:04,746 KITSON: Yes. 797 00:38:04,813 --> 00:38:06,315 After you allegedly had this conversation, 798 00:38:06,381 --> 00:38:08,054 did you do anything about it? 799 00:38:08,984 --> 00:38:10,019 No. 800 00:38:10,085 --> 00:38:11,291 Did you contact Tracy Conley? 801 00:38:11,353 --> 00:38:12,388 No. 802 00:38:12,454 --> 00:38:13,956 Did you warn her in any way? 803 00:38:14,022 --> 00:38:16,559 Mr. McDowell told me not to do anything. 804 00:38:17,025 --> 00:38:20,734 Do you have any proof of this conversation you said you had 805 00:38:20,795 --> 00:38:22,866 with Mr. McDowell a few months ago? 806 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,838 No, but... Mr. Kitson, 807 00:38:27,502 --> 00:38:29,880 the prosecutor's office came to visit you a few weeks ago 808 00:38:29,938 --> 00:38:33,010 and asked you some questions about your online investigation, didn't they? 809 00:38:33,074 --> 00:38:34,109 Yes. 810 00:38:34,175 --> 00:38:37,088 Isn't it a fair statement that if you didn't implicate Mr. McDowell, 811 00:38:37,145 --> 00:38:39,625 you might very well be the one on trial here today? 812 00:38:39,681 --> 00:38:41,024 Objection. 813 00:38:41,516 --> 00:38:42,620 Withdrawn. 814 00:38:43,151 --> 00:38:45,062 No further questions, Your Honor. 815 00:38:48,757 --> 00:38:51,465 BRANSON: How did you feel about the death of Tracy Conley? 816 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,103 Just horrible. 817 00:38:53,595 --> 00:38:57,202 Did you have any idea that Virgil Rice posed a threat to her? 818 00:38:57,265 --> 00:38:58,369 No. 819 00:38:58,433 --> 00:39:00,936 Did Robert Kitson ever tell you that Virgil Rice had a criminal record? 820 00:39:01,002 --> 00:39:02,072 No. 821 00:39:02,137 --> 00:39:05,584 In his own application, Mr. Rice denied having a record? 822 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,017 That's right. 823 00:39:08,009 --> 00:39:09,545 Did you ever check that information? 824 00:39:09,611 --> 00:39:12,922 In the first place, we guarantee the privacy of our clients. 825 00:39:12,981 --> 00:39:17,327 Secondly, we view ourselves as a company that helps people stay safe. 826 00:39:18,086 --> 00:39:19,861 The public uses our service 827 00:39:19,921 --> 00:39:22,492 to find out if a child's teacher has a drug problem, 828 00:39:23,691 --> 00:39:26,604 if their nannies or caregivers have a criminal record. 829 00:39:26,661 --> 00:39:28,538 We track deadbeat dads. 830 00:39:28,596 --> 00:39:30,405 The government even uses our service on occasion. 831 00:39:30,465 --> 00:39:33,071 But aren't you trading in people's secrets? 832 00:39:33,668 --> 00:39:36,581 I think we've all learned over these past months 833 00:39:36,638 --> 00:39:40,848 that the more information that is available to us, the better. 834 00:39:41,343 --> 00:39:43,584 There are plenty of dangerous people out there. 835 00:39:43,645 --> 00:39:46,319 And I think most people are more concerned with being safe 836 00:39:46,381 --> 00:39:48,588 than with hiding the books they read. 837 00:39:50,318 --> 00:39:52,025 SERENA: He's turning the trial into a referendum 838 00:39:52,087 --> 00:39:55,227 on whether the jury should be able to investigate their babysitters. 839 00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:57,031 Well, you can't blame them for wanting to know 840 00:39:57,092 --> 00:39:59,072 if their neighbor's part of a terrorist cell. 841 00:39:59,127 --> 00:40:02,301 What happens when the terrorist wants to know about them? 842 00:40:02,363 --> 00:40:05,310 Those chat room posts were a loaded gun. 843 00:40:05,367 --> 00:40:07,745 McDowell has to be held accountable for who he sold them to. 844 00:40:07,802 --> 00:40:10,043 I agree. There have to be standards for who gets access 845 00:40:10,105 --> 00:40:11,607 to that kind of information. 846 00:40:11,673 --> 00:40:13,084 You're talking about principles 847 00:40:13,141 --> 00:40:15,246 I've been fighting for my entire career. 848 00:40:15,310 --> 00:40:17,449 But when the bullets are flying... 849 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,250 I had that tactical unit check to see 850 00:40:20,315 --> 00:40:22,488 if they could find any internal memos or documents. 851 00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:24,223 They came up empty handed. 852 00:40:24,285 --> 00:40:27,198 Well, the government's always two steps behind the bad guys. 853 00:40:27,255 --> 00:40:28,461 One of our techies that I talked to 854 00:40:28,523 --> 00:40:31,902 told me that hackers actually chuckle at some of the technology we still use. 855 00:40:33,061 --> 00:40:35,132 Then maybe we should be talking to the hackers. 856 00:40:39,167 --> 00:40:41,306 JACK: Open access is a good thing? 857 00:40:42,370 --> 00:40:43,781 I believe so, yes. 858 00:40:44,472 --> 00:40:47,351 Should a child molester be able to get access 859 00:40:47,408 --> 00:40:49,615 to a list of children living in his neighborhood? 860 00:40:49,677 --> 00:40:51,315 Ideally, no. 861 00:40:51,379 --> 00:40:53,655 But he could buy that information from your company. 862 00:40:53,715 --> 00:40:55,126 Yes, I suppose he could. 863 00:40:55,183 --> 00:40:58,221 However, we ask our customers about criminal records. 864 00:40:58,286 --> 00:40:59,663 Did you ever consider the possibility 865 00:40:59,721 --> 00:41:02,292 that someone with a criminal record might actually lie about it? 866 00:41:02,357 --> 00:41:03,358 Objection! 867 00:41:03,658 --> 00:41:04,864 Overruled. 868 00:41:05,193 --> 00:41:08,606 It's not my responsibility to keep people from using information 869 00:41:08,663 --> 00:41:10,301 in away that might hurt others. 870 00:41:10,365 --> 00:41:13,039 Information doesn't kill people. People kill people. 871 00:41:14,102 --> 00:41:17,049 I understand that someone was hurt in this case. 872 00:41:17,572 --> 00:41:19,483 If I had any idea that that might happen, 873 00:41:19,541 --> 00:41:21,020 I never would have taken the risk. 874 00:41:21,075 --> 00:41:22,281 Really? Because that's not what you said 875 00:41:22,343 --> 00:41:24,289 in your e-mails, Mr. McDowell. 876 00:41:29,551 --> 00:41:30,894 I don't know what you're talking about. 877 00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:33,396 Didn't you ask your lawyers eight months ago 878 00:41:33,455 --> 00:41:35,833 whether your company might be liable 879 00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:37,836 if someone were harmed as a result of your service? 880 00:41:37,892 --> 00:41:38,962 Objection! 881 00:41:39,027 --> 00:41:40,836 Conversations with counsel are privileged. 882 00:41:40,895 --> 00:41:43,000 Judge, I can establish a crime fraud exception 883 00:41:43,064 --> 00:41:44,407 to any privilege claim here. 884 00:41:44,733 --> 00:41:46,713 Chambers, now. 885 00:41:48,436 --> 00:41:50,040 Just what are you doing, Mr. McCoy? 886 00:41:50,104 --> 00:41:53,017 Availing ourselves of the information age, Your Honor. 887 00:41:53,074 --> 00:41:55,452 Eight months ago another one of Mr. McDowell's investigators 888 00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:57,046 came to him with concerns about a client 889 00:41:57,112 --> 00:41:59,718 whose wife had an order of protection out against him. 890 00:41:59,781 --> 00:42:01,158 This client was trying to locate 891 00:42:01,216 --> 00:42:03,287 the shelter his wife was staying in. 892 00:42:03,351 --> 00:42:05,558 Mr. McDowell's counsel advised him 893 00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:07,896 to stop checking his clients' backgrounds. 894 00:42:07,956 --> 00:42:09,128 Where did you get all this? 895 00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:12,763 Your company is not the only game in town, Mr. McDowell. 896 00:42:13,628 --> 00:42:16,973 The People retained the services of one of your competitors. 897 00:42:17,031 --> 00:42:20,638 It took them less than a day to find the e-mails that went back and forth. 898 00:42:21,069 --> 00:42:23,515 Apparently nothing is ever really deleted. 899 00:42:24,539 --> 00:42:25,847 McDOWELL: This is outrageous. 900 00:42:25,907 --> 00:42:27,079 SERENA: It doesn't feel good, does it? 901 00:42:27,141 --> 00:42:28,415 None of this matters. 902 00:42:28,476 --> 00:42:30,717 Legal advice to a client is still privileged. 903 00:42:30,778 --> 00:42:33,315 Not if he was advised to act in a reckless manner. 904 00:42:33,381 --> 00:42:34,519 BRANSON: That is absurd. 905 00:42:34,582 --> 00:42:36,528 If Mr. McDowell sought the advice of counsel, 906 00:42:36,584 --> 00:42:38,564 how can he be considered reckless? 907 00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:40,896 JACK: The point of the crime fraud exception 908 00:42:40,955 --> 00:42:43,834 is to discourage attorneys from dispensing advice 909 00:42:43,891 --> 00:42:47,737 that counsels people to engage in criminal conduct, 910 00:42:47,795 --> 00:42:49,206 which is what your lawyer did 911 00:42:49,264 --> 00:42:51,767 when he advised you against background checks. 912 00:42:52,333 --> 00:42:54,836 Neither of them can hide behind the privilege shield. 913 00:42:56,471 --> 00:43:00,044 I suggest you talk to your client about a plea, Counselor, 914 00:43:00,108 --> 00:43:02,611 then I suggest you get your own lawyer. 915 00:43:07,682 --> 00:43:09,423 Three-to-nine years in prison. 916 00:43:09,484 --> 00:43:11,623 Plus the 15 Virgil Rice got. 917 00:43:11,686 --> 00:43:14,758 That should give some peace to Tracy Conley's family. 918 00:43:15,323 --> 00:43:18,736 Internet-tracking, face-recognition software, 919 00:43:18,793 --> 00:43:21,103 national ID cards, it's getting really frightening. 920 00:43:21,663 --> 00:43:23,199 JACK: If people have to choose, 921 00:43:23,264 --> 00:43:25,972 they'll trade privacy for safety every time. 922 00:43:26,668 --> 00:43:30,741 That's the problem, though. You trade one for the other, you could end up losing both. 923 00:43:30,791 --> 00:43:35,341 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 76402

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