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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,461 --> 00:00:03,168 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:03,230 --> 00:00:07,144 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,009 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:09,069 --> 00:00:11,913 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,972 --> 00:00:13,610 These are their stories. 6 00:00:14,942 --> 00:00:17,388 Oh, come on, papi It's too damn cold out here for this. 7 00:00:17,444 --> 00:00:20,357 Too cold? What'd I raise here, a man or a ratoncito? 8 00:00:20,414 --> 00:00:23,122 Hey, actually you didn't raise me at all. Mommy raised me. 9 00:00:23,216 --> 00:00:24,820 You were always too busy workin'. 10 00:00:24,885 --> 00:00:28,264 Yeah, puttin' clothes on everybody's back, taking care of the family. 11 00:00:28,388 --> 00:00:30,766 Just be quiet now. You're scarin' away my fish. 12 00:00:30,824 --> 00:00:33,600 Look, can we just go over to Gristedes and buy some? 13 00:00:33,660 --> 00:00:36,106 I promise to let you tell everybody you caught it, okay? 14 00:00:36,163 --> 00:00:38,973 Look, when you do a job, you do it right, all right? 15 00:00:39,032 --> 00:00:41,569 Oh, oh, I think I got a nibble. 16 00:00:41,635 --> 00:00:44,241 Whoa! (GRUNTING) Damn, it's heavy! 17 00:00:44,304 --> 00:00:45,442 It's probably all the mercury. 18 00:00:45,505 --> 00:00:47,485 Gimme a hand here. Hurry up. 19 00:00:52,379 --> 00:00:54,154 VICTOR: Ay, Dios mio, pa. 20 00:00:57,217 --> 00:00:59,720 So what's the story? Girl meets bridge? 21 00:00:59,786 --> 00:01:02,926 Girl meets bullet. Then girl meets river. 22 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:04,128 I love a happy ending. 23 00:01:04,191 --> 00:01:05,602 Any idea how long ago? 24 00:01:05,659 --> 00:01:08,230 It's hard to say with the bloating and decomposition. 25 00:01:08,295 --> 00:01:10,206 Three, maybe four weeks. 26 00:01:10,263 --> 00:01:12,675 You didn't find any ID floating around, did you? 27 00:01:12,733 --> 00:01:14,940 Nah. Just the clothes she went in with. 28 00:01:17,371 --> 00:01:19,817 Oh, looks like somebody did a number on her face. 29 00:01:19,873 --> 00:01:22,012 Something, more likely. 30 00:01:22,075 --> 00:01:25,079 Fish. They go for the eyes first. 31 00:02:16,196 --> 00:02:19,643 Victim's between 25 and 35, 5"6'. 32 00:02:19,699 --> 00:02:23,306 Death was caused by a single .22 caliber slug to the left temple region. 33 00:02:23,370 --> 00:02:25,281 Blow back. Up close and personal. 34 00:02:25,338 --> 00:02:26,942 Any sign of sexual assault? 35 00:02:27,007 --> 00:02:28,509 That long in the river, I couldn't tell you. 36 00:02:28,575 --> 00:02:30,555 What about her clothes? Anything there? 37 00:02:30,644 --> 00:02:33,454 Mass manufactured. Nothin' unusual. 38 00:02:33,513 --> 00:02:37,120 You might check out her belt buckle though Looks handcrafted. 39 00:02:37,184 --> 00:02:39,095 There's an insignia stamped into the silver. 40 00:02:39,152 --> 00:02:40,460 Could be Native American. 41 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,000 American Indian Museum downtown might give us a leg up. 42 00:02:43,056 --> 00:02:45,866 Jane Doe with a buckle. Another promising start. 43 00:02:45,926 --> 00:02:48,372 Oh, actually, I'm thinkin' more like Jane Dietrich. 44 00:02:49,129 --> 00:02:51,632 Given her dental work, she's probably a German national. 45 00:02:51,698 --> 00:02:52,768 How do you know that? 46 00:02:52,833 --> 00:02:57,213 Stateside metal crowns are usually custom made from gold or silver. 47 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:59,511 Hers are generically stamped out of stainless steel. 48 00:02:59,573 --> 00:03:00,916 We don't do that? 49 00:03:00,974 --> 00:03:03,113 A couple of quack dentists in Texas tried. 50 00:03:03,710 --> 00:03:05,656 This technique's definitely German. 51 00:03:06,513 --> 00:03:08,584 ED: We figure she either emigrated to the U.S. 52 00:03:08,648 --> 00:03:10,150 or she came here on a tourist visa. 53 00:03:10,217 --> 00:03:11,321 You talk with the consulate? 54 00:03:11,384 --> 00:03:14,490 Mmm-hmm. No German national is reported missing in New York State. 55 00:03:14,554 --> 00:03:16,898 Now, with Argentina, it's a whole different story. 56 00:03:16,957 --> 00:03:18,698 What about travel visas? 57 00:03:18,758 --> 00:03:21,329 Over 6,000 in the past three months. 58 00:03:21,394 --> 00:03:22,566 Hey, the dollar's down. 59 00:03:22,629 --> 00:03:28,272 And of those, 2,346 went to females between the ages of 25 to 35. 60 00:03:28,335 --> 00:03:30,645 It'll take us till Oktoberfest to run through all of them. 61 00:03:30,704 --> 00:03:31,705 That's it? 62 00:03:31,771 --> 00:03:34,513 Well, we sent her dental records to the Fatherland. 63 00:03:34,574 --> 00:03:35,985 Oh, that could take months. 64 00:03:36,042 --> 00:03:38,682 In the meantime, let's work with what we've got. 65 00:03:41,248 --> 00:03:42,921 BRISCOE: Littlemoon Birdsong? 66 00:03:42,983 --> 00:03:44,485 If this is about those parking tickets, 67 00:03:44,551 --> 00:03:47,157 I was gonna send a check tomorrow, I swear. Take it easy. 68 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:50,258 You're not gonna lose your micro-bus. We're Homicide. 69 00:03:50,323 --> 00:03:51,427 Homicide? 70 00:03:51,491 --> 00:03:54,233 The curator at the Indian Museum thought this might be your work. 71 00:03:56,496 --> 00:03:58,703 Yeah, that's mine. 72 00:03:58,765 --> 00:04:01,177 I did a series of them last year. 73 00:04:01,234 --> 00:04:03,805 But I don't understand what this has to do with a homicide. 74 00:04:03,870 --> 00:04:06,817 The victim was wearing that buckle when she was killed. 75 00:04:06,873 --> 00:04:08,250 (SIGHS) 76 00:04:10,277 --> 00:04:12,883 Actually, it's an Apache peace symbol. 77 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,590 Didn't protect them much either. 78 00:04:15,715 --> 00:04:18,059 We're gonna need a list of your customers. 79 00:04:18,118 --> 00:04:19,791 Oh, I don't do retail. 80 00:04:19,853 --> 00:04:23,357 Credit card receipts, sales tax, marketing plans... 81 00:04:23,423 --> 00:04:25,198 A little too time consuming. 82 00:04:25,692 --> 00:04:27,330 So where do you sell your work? 83 00:04:27,394 --> 00:04:29,237 A little boutique in Chelsea. 84 00:04:30,964 --> 00:04:33,035 I let them deal with the headaches now. 85 00:04:34,201 --> 00:04:36,545 I wish we all could. Thanks. 86 00:04:38,238 --> 00:04:40,809 Littlemoon Birdsong, my ass. 87 00:04:40,874 --> 00:04:43,411 Her name's Linda Epstein from Cedarhurst. 88 00:04:43,476 --> 00:04:44,750 Different tribe altogether. 89 00:04:44,811 --> 00:04:47,917 Yeah. I sold this. It's some sort of peace thing. 90 00:04:47,981 --> 00:04:49,790 We're trying to locate the woman who may have bought it. 91 00:04:49,849 --> 00:04:52,125 You remember everyone you arrest, Detective? 92 00:04:52,219 --> 00:04:54,631 She might have had a German accent. 93 00:04:54,688 --> 00:04:57,032 (SCOFFS) Everybody's got an accent these days. 94 00:04:57,090 --> 00:04:59,434 Okay, what about credit card records? Sales receipts? 95 00:04:59,492 --> 00:05:02,063 You understand, we're mostly a cash business. 96 00:05:03,196 --> 00:05:04,766 We're not interested in your relationship 97 00:05:04,831 --> 00:05:05,969 with the tax collector, Ms. Martin. 98 00:05:06,032 --> 00:05:07,875 We just want to know who bought the buckle. 99 00:05:08,268 --> 00:05:10,544 Well, a lot of our customers sign our mailing list. 100 00:05:10,604 --> 00:05:11,605 Would that do it? 101 00:05:11,671 --> 00:05:13,344 BRISCOE: We're gonna need everything. 102 00:05:13,406 --> 00:05:15,317 Now, the list I need back next week. 103 00:05:15,375 --> 00:05:17,616 We're sending out a new mailer. 104 00:05:17,677 --> 00:05:19,588 Indonesian death masks. 105 00:05:21,815 --> 00:05:25,456 Guys, here's the Missing Persons. The whole Tri-State area. 106 00:05:25,518 --> 00:05:26,724 They go back six months, right? 107 00:05:26,786 --> 00:05:28,026 Just like you asked, Detective. 108 00:05:28,088 --> 00:05:29,362 Thank you. 109 00:05:30,557 --> 00:05:33,470 Another no answer. That makes seven. 110 00:05:33,526 --> 00:05:34,869 Yeah. 111 00:05:35,362 --> 00:05:38,866 Oh. Okay. Thanks anyway. Yeah, I'll tell him. 112 00:05:39,733 --> 00:05:42,646 Chessie Shaw, New Milford, New Jersey. Alive and well. 113 00:05:42,702 --> 00:05:44,409 You tell her about the death masks? 114 00:05:44,471 --> 00:05:45,745 ED: That's everybody on my list. 115 00:05:45,805 --> 00:05:47,443 What does that leave us with? 116 00:05:47,507 --> 00:05:50,716 Uh, that's seven no answers, a disconnect 117 00:05:50,777 --> 00:05:52,848 and five unlisted numbers. 118 00:05:52,946 --> 00:05:54,186 Any luck so far? 119 00:05:54,247 --> 00:05:57,956 Well, I figure either Our Lady of the Hudson wasn't on the mailing list, 120 00:05:58,018 --> 00:05:59,656 or the belt buckle was a gift. 121 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,726 Here's somethin'. Karen Hall. 122 00:06:02,789 --> 00:06:06,703 Investigator in the New York State Attorney General's Criminal Division upstate. 123 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,068 Disappeared six weeks ago. 124 00:06:08,128 --> 00:06:10,404 That could be my Albany disconnect. 125 00:06:10,463 --> 00:06:12,238 Same age and height. 126 00:06:12,299 --> 00:06:13,869 Well, the hair color's similar but I thought 127 00:06:13,933 --> 00:06:15,810 we were looking for a German national. 128 00:06:15,869 --> 00:06:19,874 Says in her bio her father was a bird colonel in the Army stationed in... 129 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:21,612 Germany. 130 00:06:22,642 --> 00:06:24,519 Eight years. Moved to Albany in '89. 131 00:06:29,582 --> 00:06:33,689 We were Army brats. Baden Spa, Berlin. 132 00:06:34,554 --> 00:06:38,297 My sisters and me, we spent our childhoods being dragged from base to base. 133 00:06:38,358 --> 00:06:40,895 Karen was the only one who seemed to enjoy it. 134 00:06:40,961 --> 00:06:42,531 She loved meeting new people. 135 00:06:42,595 --> 00:06:45,701 ED: And when was the last time you had contact with your sister? 136 00:06:45,832 --> 00:06:47,334 The day she disappeared. 137 00:06:47,834 --> 00:06:51,043 Karen was in Manhattan on a work assignment. We spoke on the phone. 138 00:06:51,938 --> 00:06:54,248 I didn't realize it would be the last time I'd hear her voice. 139 00:06:55,542 --> 00:06:57,453 When you say "work assignment," 140 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:59,820 you mean for the Attorney General's Office? 141 00:06:59,879 --> 00:07:00,914 Right. 142 00:07:00,981 --> 00:07:02,983 ED: Any idea what she was working on? 143 00:07:03,049 --> 00:07:05,495 She didn't talk about her job much. 144 00:07:05,552 --> 00:07:07,088 She took it seriously, though. 145 00:07:07,153 --> 00:07:09,155 What time was it when you spoke to her? 146 00:07:09,222 --> 00:07:10,997 VINCENT: Maybe 5:00, 5:30. 147 00:07:11,825 --> 00:07:13,065 Did she say where she was? 148 00:07:13,126 --> 00:07:14,628 She was on her cell phone. 149 00:07:15,628 --> 00:07:17,869 I thought maybe we could have an early dinner, 150 00:07:18,298 --> 00:07:20,471 but Karen said it would have to be another time. 151 00:07:21,034 --> 00:07:23,913 She was heading to catch the Amtrak back to Albany. 152 00:07:25,071 --> 00:07:28,018 You know, I told all this to the State Troopers when they were here. 153 00:07:28,074 --> 00:07:29,712 ED: This is just routine, Mr. Hall. 154 00:07:29,776 --> 00:07:31,915 Did Karen have any friends in Manhattan? 155 00:07:31,978 --> 00:07:34,857 Somebody who might have changed her mind about goin' home? 156 00:07:35,815 --> 00:07:37,988 She'd only been in the city maybe once or twice. 157 00:07:38,351 --> 00:07:40,797 She didn't know anyone here, outside of work. 158 00:07:41,254 --> 00:07:43,393 And you reported her missing the following Monday? 159 00:07:43,656 --> 00:07:47,229 She was supposed to go furniture shopping with Nancy in Rhinebeck, 160 00:07:47,961 --> 00:07:50,339 but she never showed up. 161 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:55,645 You guys got any idea who did this to her? 162 00:07:55,769 --> 00:07:57,476 We're workin' on it, Mr. Hall. 163 00:07:57,704 --> 00:07:59,115 Well, work hard. 164 00:08:00,940 --> 00:08:02,977 'Cause Karen was the baby of the family. 165 00:08:03,042 --> 00:08:05,955 She was the favorite, you know. 166 00:08:07,247 --> 00:08:08,954 And I was her big brother. 167 00:08:12,652 --> 00:08:15,462 Karen started with the office's upstate division five years ago 168 00:08:15,522 --> 00:08:18,002 as a paralegal in Mr. Conroy's bureau. 169 00:08:18,091 --> 00:08:20,469 When did she get the bump up to investigator? 170 00:08:20,527 --> 00:08:22,632 I signed off on her promotion only six months ago, 171 00:08:22,695 --> 00:08:25,301 which is what makes what happened such a waste. 172 00:08:25,899 --> 00:08:27,776 Karen was something of a project in the bureau. 173 00:08:27,834 --> 00:08:28,938 Project? 174 00:08:29,002 --> 00:08:32,313 Well, it was obvious from the beginning that she had a real feel for the work. 175 00:08:32,372 --> 00:08:33,908 It all came naturally to her. 176 00:08:33,973 --> 00:08:35,680 Karen just lacked some of the formal training 177 00:08:35,742 --> 00:08:37,380 and education she needed to move forward. 178 00:08:37,444 --> 00:08:38,946 Eventually it all came together. 179 00:08:39,012 --> 00:08:41,151 You have any working theories? 180 00:08:41,214 --> 00:08:44,252 Had. Till her body turned up in Manhattan. 181 00:08:44,317 --> 00:08:48,629 We have a witness that puts her in the Albany train station at 9:30 that night. 182 00:08:48,688 --> 00:08:52,602 And confirms her brother's story that she was taking the 6:45 from Manhattan. 183 00:08:52,692 --> 00:08:53,932 The timing worked. 184 00:08:54,527 --> 00:08:57,531 Ms. Shore, we're gonna need to follow up on the interviews. 185 00:08:57,964 --> 00:09:00,376 Of course. I'll help you guys out with anything you need. 186 00:09:03,837 --> 00:09:06,374 FRANKS: The car was locked. No sign of a break-in. 187 00:09:06,439 --> 00:09:07,941 We figure she was snatched somewhere between 188 00:09:08,007 --> 00:09:09,748 the platform and the parking lot. 189 00:09:10,343 --> 00:09:12,846 I would've come to the same conclusion. 190 00:09:12,912 --> 00:09:14,949 Either of you know Ms. Hall personally? 191 00:09:15,014 --> 00:09:16,459 Just to say hello. 192 00:09:17,217 --> 00:09:19,390 I worked a case with her once when she was a paralegal. 193 00:09:19,452 --> 00:09:20,590 She was good people. 194 00:09:20,653 --> 00:09:23,361 You find any signs of personal problems while you were knockin' around? 195 00:09:23,423 --> 00:09:26,029 No debts, no drugs, no gambling. 196 00:09:26,693 --> 00:09:28,070 Nothing out of the ordinary. 197 00:09:28,127 --> 00:09:29,868 No death threats, huh? 198 00:09:31,130 --> 00:09:34,202 She have any overdue library books in her apartment? 199 00:09:34,367 --> 00:09:37,905 Just a half-starved Cocker Spaniel and a closet full of clothes. 200 00:09:37,971 --> 00:09:40,349 Yeah, it was pretty much a cold trail after the station. 201 00:09:40,406 --> 00:09:41,612 What about this newsstand guy? 202 00:09:41,674 --> 00:09:43,347 The one that says he saw her that night? 203 00:09:43,409 --> 00:09:45,480 Hardworking Turkish. 204 00:09:45,545 --> 00:09:47,388 Been at the station over 10 years. 205 00:09:47,714 --> 00:09:49,352 We're gonna need to talk to him. 206 00:09:49,415 --> 00:09:50,985 DAVIS: I'll run you right over now, if you want. 207 00:09:54,020 --> 00:09:56,694 I told the truth. Nothing but the truth. 208 00:09:56,756 --> 00:09:59,066 Nobody's accusing you of lying, Mr. Hoca. 209 00:09:59,125 --> 00:10:00,570 Take your time, sir. 210 00:10:00,627 --> 00:10:03,301 This lady in the picture, she came in on the train 211 00:10:03,363 --> 00:10:05,570 on the night of the 19th of February 212 00:10:05,632 --> 00:10:07,703 and bought magazines in my kiosk. 213 00:10:07,767 --> 00:10:10,543 Then she walk away, out that... 214 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:12,706 Out that door? 215 00:10:13,373 --> 00:10:15,444 Are you... Are you asking or telling? 216 00:10:15,508 --> 00:10:17,146 I think this is the truth. 217 00:10:17,610 --> 00:10:21,251 Yeah, but you didn't actually see her get off the train, right? 218 00:10:21,314 --> 00:10:24,921 Me? No. The troopers, they say she was on the train. 219 00:10:25,485 --> 00:10:27,761 Can you describe this woman, Mr. Hoca? 220 00:10:29,088 --> 00:10:33,298 Blonde hair, middle height, middle weight. 221 00:10:34,294 --> 00:10:36,604 Was she dragging a flowered travel bag? 222 00:10:36,663 --> 00:10:38,040 You know, the kind you wheel around? 223 00:10:38,097 --> 00:10:41,135 Yes. I remember. I see that. 224 00:10:42,902 --> 00:10:44,006 Thank you, very much, sir. 225 00:10:44,270 --> 00:10:47,012 It's, uh, okay? I did good? 226 00:10:47,073 --> 00:10:48,643 Oh, you did fine. 227 00:10:50,777 --> 00:10:53,917 Oh, he's the most convincing witness I've heard since Kato Kaelin. 228 00:10:53,980 --> 00:10:55,618 He seemed solid when we interviewed him. 229 00:10:55,682 --> 00:10:57,559 Who else did you talk to during your investigation? 230 00:10:57,617 --> 00:10:59,654 Hey, we did our damn job. 231 00:10:59,719 --> 00:11:01,255 Did you canvass the damn area? 232 00:11:01,321 --> 00:11:03,961 Did you talk to the regular damn commuters? 233 00:11:04,023 --> 00:11:06,094 Somebody on the train must've remembered seeing her. 234 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:08,730 Did you talk to the conductors? The other vendors? 235 00:11:08,795 --> 00:11:10,138 Hey, we talked to everybody, okay? 236 00:11:10,196 --> 00:11:12,107 The Turk was the only one who saw her. 237 00:11:12,165 --> 00:11:13,872 And that didn't tell you something? 238 00:11:15,401 --> 00:11:18,848 Look, I tell you something, it stays off the record. 239 00:11:19,439 --> 00:11:21,248 We're all cops here, man. 240 00:11:21,608 --> 00:11:24,020 The fact is, Jim and I had our own doubts. 241 00:11:24,077 --> 00:11:25,454 Doubts about what? 242 00:11:25,511 --> 00:11:28,788 About the direction the case was being steered by the A.G.'s office. 243 00:11:28,848 --> 00:11:30,486 What direction was that? 244 00:11:30,550 --> 00:11:34,225 My personal opinion, and I don't have any evidence to support this. 245 00:11:34,287 --> 00:11:35,391 It's all right. I hear you. 246 00:11:35,755 --> 00:11:38,235 They glommed on to the train-snatch theory for their own reasons. 247 00:11:38,291 --> 00:11:39,736 ED: And the right reasons would be? 248 00:11:39,792 --> 00:11:43,740 Let's just say I don't think the A.G. wanted to face the possibility 249 00:11:43,796 --> 00:11:47,608 that Karen Hall's killer might be some guy from one of their own case files. 250 00:11:53,706 --> 00:11:55,947 Well, naturally we considered the possibility it was work related. 251 00:11:56,009 --> 00:11:57,249 It's the first thing we thought of. 252 00:11:57,310 --> 00:12:00,621 But we couldn't uncover any hard evidence to support the theory. 253 00:12:00,713 --> 00:12:04,627 With all due respect, Mr. Conroy, how hard did you consider it? 254 00:12:04,684 --> 00:12:05,992 Well, we pulled our case files. 255 00:12:06,052 --> 00:12:07,531 We examined every possibility. 256 00:12:07,587 --> 00:12:10,534 But, uh, all the evidence pointed back to Albany. 257 00:12:10,590 --> 00:12:13,036 We're going to need to go over all of her files. 258 00:12:13,092 --> 00:12:15,003 Everything she was working on at the time. 259 00:12:15,595 --> 00:12:17,268 Some of those cases are still pending. 260 00:12:17,397 --> 00:12:20,503 We're not going to compromise any of my investigations, are we, Lieutenant? 261 00:12:21,234 --> 00:12:23,077 You can count on our discretion. 262 00:12:24,237 --> 00:12:25,409 I don't see a problem. 263 00:12:25,471 --> 00:12:28,884 I'll have some of those case files copied and sent off to your precinct. 264 00:12:28,941 --> 00:12:31,012 Well, I'd like to get my men started on the case 265 00:12:31,077 --> 00:12:33,284 she was working the day she disappeared. 266 00:12:33,479 --> 00:12:34,583 SHORE: Alec? 267 00:12:34,647 --> 00:12:37,184 Uh, Nate Richards. A nursing home fraud. 268 00:12:37,250 --> 00:12:39,321 It was a joint prosecution with the Feds. 269 00:12:39,385 --> 00:12:41,763 And Karen Hall was sent to Manhattan for what? 270 00:12:41,821 --> 00:12:44,461 We had a reluctant witness. I wanted Karen to hold her hand. 271 00:12:44,524 --> 00:12:46,765 VAN BUREN: Why was the witness reluctant? 272 00:12:46,826 --> 00:12:50,774 Defendant's ex. She was having second thoughts about testifying against him. 273 00:12:50,830 --> 00:12:52,468 And that aroused no suspicion? 274 00:12:52,732 --> 00:12:54,803 We had Richards interviewed extensively. 275 00:12:54,867 --> 00:12:56,005 ALEC: It was a dead end. 276 00:12:56,202 --> 00:12:58,307 But, listen, I understand you have a job to do. 277 00:12:58,371 --> 00:13:00,908 Uh, I can make a call to the facility. 278 00:13:00,973 --> 00:13:03,544 Your guys are certainly welcome to take a stab at him. 279 00:13:06,212 --> 00:13:07,987 RICHARDS: Like I told the guy from the A.G.'s office. 280 00:13:08,047 --> 00:13:10,459 I wouldn't know Karen Hall if I fell over the broad. 281 00:13:10,516 --> 00:13:12,223 Interesting choice of words. 282 00:13:12,285 --> 00:13:14,856 Ms. Hall was one of the investigators on your case. 283 00:13:14,921 --> 00:13:16,923 I never laid eyes on her. I mean, what is it with you guys? 284 00:13:17,023 --> 00:13:19,230 She was working with Angela Cofresta 285 00:13:19,292 --> 00:13:21,465 at the time of her disappearance. 286 00:13:21,527 --> 00:13:23,097 You remember Angela? 287 00:13:23,162 --> 00:13:26,371 Bitch gave me up when I wouldn't leave my wife. 288 00:13:26,499 --> 00:13:27,876 Imagine that. 289 00:13:28,901 --> 00:13:30,505 We pulled your sheet, Nate. 290 00:13:31,304 --> 00:13:33,511 You had a little domestic history with this woman. 291 00:13:33,573 --> 00:13:34,608 Angela dropped those charges. 292 00:13:35,208 --> 00:13:36,983 Yeah, we noticed that, too. 293 00:13:37,043 --> 00:13:38,852 'Cause you smacked her around a little bit, right? 294 00:13:38,911 --> 00:13:40,982 Only this time, they gave her a babysitter. 295 00:13:41,047 --> 00:13:43,118 I was lookin' at 26 months on that fraud charge. 296 00:13:43,182 --> 00:13:45,355 You think I'm gonna threaten a federal witness? 297 00:13:45,418 --> 00:13:46,920 Cap a state investigator? 298 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,824 Women. Can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em, huh, Nate? 299 00:13:50,890 --> 00:13:52,164 You got any idea how far that would've pushed me 300 00:13:52,225 --> 00:13:53,966 along on the sentencing guidelines? 301 00:13:54,026 --> 00:13:57,007 I mean, I'd need a nursing home myself by the time I got out. 302 00:13:57,497 --> 00:14:00,967 Well, can you account for your whereabouts on the night of the February 19th? 303 00:14:01,033 --> 00:14:02,171 Yeah. 304 00:14:02,902 --> 00:14:06,509 Where every good defendant is supposed to be. In my lawyer's office. 305 00:14:07,306 --> 00:14:10,344 Testifying against Nate was the hardest thing I ever did. 306 00:14:11,177 --> 00:14:12,713 I was scared of him. 307 00:14:12,779 --> 00:14:14,281 But you went through with it. 308 00:14:14,347 --> 00:14:16,224 Yeah, I went through with it. 309 00:14:17,550 --> 00:14:20,121 Karen made me think about all those old people. 310 00:14:20,186 --> 00:14:22,188 How they were suffering. 311 00:14:22,255 --> 00:14:24,166 I never thought about it like that before. 312 00:14:24,891 --> 00:14:27,565 Ms. Cofresta, you had a meeting with Ms. Hall 313 00:14:27,627 --> 00:14:29,903 at around 2:00 p.m. the day she disappeared? 314 00:14:29,962 --> 00:14:31,566 We talked a lot on the phone. 315 00:14:31,631 --> 00:14:33,577 Karen came down just to be with me. 316 00:14:33,666 --> 00:14:35,373 What'd you talk about? 317 00:14:35,434 --> 00:14:38,574 Mostly stuff about the case. Goin' over stuff. 318 00:14:38,638 --> 00:14:42,176 And we talked about men. Older men, married men. 319 00:14:42,275 --> 00:14:44,152 How they try to control you. 320 00:14:44,911 --> 00:14:46,015 She really understood. 321 00:14:46,712 --> 00:14:48,555 Did she talk about the men in her life? 322 00:14:48,614 --> 00:14:50,423 No, not really. 323 00:14:50,483 --> 00:14:53,020 But I kind of got the feelin' she was dating an older guy, too. 324 00:14:53,085 --> 00:14:54,564 She mention anything about him? 325 00:14:54,620 --> 00:14:56,463 A name? Anything at all? 326 00:14:56,522 --> 00:14:58,160 COFRESTA: Just that it was over. 327 00:14:58,257 --> 00:15:00,294 BRISCOE: What time did she leave? 328 00:15:00,359 --> 00:15:05,308 Maybe 4:00, I think. It was a long time ago, you know. 329 00:15:06,232 --> 00:15:09,509 I do remember she said she had a late meeting in the city that night, 330 00:15:09,569 --> 00:15:12,277 and I could call her if I started stressing out again. 331 00:15:14,073 --> 00:15:15,950 Maybe if I did, she'd still be alive. 332 00:15:17,310 --> 00:15:18,721 She was staying late in town? 333 00:15:18,778 --> 00:15:21,759 Told her brother she had to get back to Albany to take care of her dog. 334 00:15:21,814 --> 00:15:23,623 She doesn't strike me as the type to lie to her brother. 335 00:15:23,683 --> 00:15:25,321 Or to let her dog starve to death. 336 00:15:25,384 --> 00:15:27,091 Maybe something came up at work. 337 00:15:27,153 --> 00:15:28,598 Think we'd have heard about it. 338 00:15:28,654 --> 00:15:29,962 (LAUGHS) Yeah, you'd think. 339 00:15:30,590 --> 00:15:33,127 ED: I want to work for the A.G.'s office when I grow up. 340 00:15:33,192 --> 00:15:34,899 The Attorney General investigated 341 00:15:34,994 --> 00:15:37,474 illegal billing practices at the Klensch Agency. 342 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:40,773 Karen Hall personally interviewed 17 runway models. 343 00:15:40,833 --> 00:15:42,437 Maybe we should follow up. 344 00:15:42,969 --> 00:15:44,380 It looks like Conroy was right on. 345 00:15:44,437 --> 00:15:48,146 From what I'm seein', there's nothing life or death in these case files. 346 00:15:48,207 --> 00:15:53,122 Hey, Ed, when did Conroy say Karen got her first field assignment to the big city? 347 00:15:53,179 --> 00:15:54,749 Couple of months back. 348 00:15:54,847 --> 00:15:57,885 And her brother thought she was still gettin' her bearings around town? 349 00:15:57,950 --> 00:16:01,693 Right. So how come she's got three Amtrak ticket stubs, 350 00:16:01,754 --> 00:16:05,429 round trip, Albany to New York, goin' back more than a year? 351 00:16:05,491 --> 00:16:06,868 She goes down to the Big Apple, 352 00:16:06,926 --> 00:16:08,496 she keeps it from her big brother 353 00:16:08,561 --> 00:16:09,869 and everyone else in her life. 354 00:16:09,929 --> 00:16:11,340 That can only mean one thing. 355 00:16:11,397 --> 00:16:12,808 A special friend? 356 00:16:12,865 --> 00:16:14,208 Mmm-hmm. 357 00:16:15,268 --> 00:16:16,906 Karen had no time for boyfriends. 358 00:16:16,969 --> 00:16:18,573 She was so busy with work. 359 00:16:18,638 --> 00:16:21,744 God knows we tried, but it was always one thing or another. 360 00:16:21,807 --> 00:16:24,378 Even if she had a boyfriend, she wouldn't have told me. 361 00:16:24,443 --> 00:16:27,481 The age difference, it was more like a father-daughter thing with us. 362 00:16:28,614 --> 00:16:30,560 Karen was seeing someone. 363 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:32,729 BRISCOE: Did she mention a name? 364 00:16:32,785 --> 00:16:34,128 She told you that? 365 00:16:34,186 --> 00:16:35,688 NANCY: She didn't want people to know. 366 00:16:35,755 --> 00:16:36,961 We're people? 367 00:16:37,023 --> 00:16:38,798 Did she tell you who she was seeing? 368 00:16:38,858 --> 00:16:41,862 No. But he was married. 369 00:16:41,928 --> 00:16:44,340 Karen was going with a married guy? She told you that? 370 00:16:44,397 --> 00:16:45,808 She said it was over. 371 00:16:45,865 --> 00:16:47,242 ED: And she never mentioned a name? 372 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:49,644 She wouldn't say anything about him. 373 00:16:50,136 --> 00:16:52,810 She didn't want people at work to find out. 374 00:16:53,506 --> 00:16:56,350 Why didn't you tell all this to the troopers when she disappeared? 375 00:16:56,409 --> 00:16:58,821 I did. I told the investigators. 376 00:16:58,878 --> 00:17:00,721 But I didn't know who it was, 377 00:17:00,780 --> 00:17:04,057 and Karen said it had been over for awhile. 378 00:17:05,184 --> 00:17:07,755 So you're thinking it may be a romance gone sour? 379 00:17:07,853 --> 00:17:10,356 One of the sisters thinks it might have been an office thing. 380 00:17:10,423 --> 00:17:12,425 Did you call Albany and ask around? 381 00:17:12,491 --> 00:17:15,199 Yeah, no luck. It seems the lady was tight-lipped. 382 00:17:15,261 --> 00:17:18,265 So we pulled all of her personal credit card receipts 383 00:17:18,331 --> 00:17:19,833 goin' back a year. 384 00:17:19,899 --> 00:17:23,005 Hotel, restaurant charges from all over the city last 10 months. 385 00:17:23,069 --> 00:17:24,139 Busy girl. 386 00:17:24,203 --> 00:17:26,012 Up until a month before she disappeared. 387 00:17:26,072 --> 00:17:29,315 Right about the time sis says the romance cooled. 388 00:17:29,375 --> 00:17:32,584 One, two, three, four five visits to Caverna? 389 00:17:32,645 --> 00:17:34,818 ED: You know it? Yeah, it's a quiet little place 390 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,826 over on 21st and 10th. 391 00:17:38,651 --> 00:17:40,392 You say she was a customer? 392 00:17:40,453 --> 00:17:42,694 Yeah. Five or six times that we know of. 393 00:17:42,755 --> 00:17:45,759 Perhaps you can come back tomorrow. Speak with the maitre d'. 394 00:17:45,858 --> 00:17:46,962 I'm usually in the back office. 395 00:17:47,026 --> 00:17:48,699 Why can't we speak to the maitre d' now? 396 00:17:48,761 --> 00:17:52,072 Called in sick. And we are in the middle of our busiest seating. 397 00:17:52,431 --> 00:17:55,275 Well, we're in the middle of a busy homicide investigation. 398 00:17:56,635 --> 00:17:59,013 Let me get Roberto, our head waiter. Maybe he can help you. 399 00:18:02,308 --> 00:18:03,844 These gentlemen are with the police, Roberto. 400 00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:05,718 They'd like to see if you could help identify a photograph. 401 00:18:05,778 --> 00:18:07,758 Oh, ma certo. Absolutely. 402 00:18:07,813 --> 00:18:09,759 Ah, sf. La signorina Hall 403 00:18:09,815 --> 00:18:12,352 Used to come here with her gentleman friend. 404 00:18:12,418 --> 00:18:14,193 But, uh, not so much anymore. 405 00:18:14,253 --> 00:18:17,757 You wouldn't happen to remember this gentleman friend's name? 406 00:18:17,823 --> 00:18:20,565 Oh, sure, sure. First rule of ristorante business, huh? 407 00:18:20,626 --> 00:18:22,435 Never forget a name. (LAUGHS) 408 00:18:22,495 --> 00:18:25,669 (STAMMERS) It's, uh, Alfred. Uh, no, Arturo. 409 00:18:27,166 --> 00:18:31,672 Alexandro. No, Alec. Si, Alec Conroy. 410 00:18:32,138 --> 00:18:33,481 Alec Conroy? 411 00:18:34,006 --> 00:18:36,486 He and the signorina, always the deuce in the corner. 412 00:18:36,542 --> 00:18:39,614 Very private. Uh, very romantic, huh? 413 00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:42,625 Very nice. 414 00:18:47,153 --> 00:18:48,496 Alec Conroy? 415 00:18:49,588 --> 00:18:52,000 The heir apparent at the A.G.'s office? 416 00:18:52,058 --> 00:18:53,799 How well do you really know him? 417 00:18:53,859 --> 00:18:57,568 He got organized crime convictions that everyone else thought were impossible, 418 00:18:57,630 --> 00:18:58,904 including myself. 419 00:19:00,099 --> 00:19:03,376 In addition to which, I went to law school with his boss. 420 00:19:04,003 --> 00:19:06,074 Isabel Shore. There's a straight arrow. 421 00:19:06,639 --> 00:19:07,982 As straight as they come. 422 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,987 If she suspected anything she never would have given him the nod. 423 00:19:11,043 --> 00:19:12,920 According to Briscoe and Green, 424 00:19:12,978 --> 00:19:15,458 Conroy kept his investigators pursuing leads 425 00:19:15,514 --> 00:19:17,460 he had to know would never pay off. 426 00:19:17,516 --> 00:19:20,895 And he concealed his relationship with the Hall girl. 427 00:19:20,953 --> 00:19:22,557 CARMICHAEL: A married ex-boyfriend? 428 00:19:22,955 --> 00:19:25,196 That would have been at the top of the trooper's hit list. 429 00:19:25,257 --> 00:19:28,830 Conroy told them the romance angle was a dead-end. 430 00:19:28,894 --> 00:19:31,170 While he kept them in the dark about his affair with the victim. 431 00:19:31,731 --> 00:19:34,337 This man is next in line at the Criminal Division. 432 00:19:35,501 --> 00:19:37,538 I'm not gonna drag him out in handcuffs 433 00:19:37,603 --> 00:19:39,446 because he concealed an affair. 434 00:19:39,505 --> 00:19:41,382 He did more than conceal it, Nora. 435 00:19:42,241 --> 00:19:44,517 He told Karen Hall's sister there was no office romance, 436 00:19:44,577 --> 00:19:46,955 and then he turned the investigation to a less than credible witness 437 00:19:47,012 --> 00:19:48,286 who put her in Albany. 438 00:19:48,347 --> 00:19:52,420 Taken as a whole, his conduct does evince a guilty mind. 439 00:19:54,253 --> 00:19:56,130 (SCOFFS) What do you want to do? 440 00:19:56,555 --> 00:19:58,865 Look him in the eye and ask him the question. 441 00:20:00,860 --> 00:20:04,637 I killed Karen Hall because I was having an affair with her, 442 00:20:04,697 --> 00:20:06,734 then stonewalled the investigation? 443 00:20:06,832 --> 00:20:10,177 (LAUGHS) That's... That's absurd. 444 00:20:10,236 --> 00:20:12,773 Is there another explanation? Yes. 445 00:20:12,838 --> 00:20:14,749 The investigation into Karen's disappearance 446 00:20:14,807 --> 00:20:16,377 went nowhere because there was nowhere for it to go. 447 00:20:16,442 --> 00:20:17,546 It's as simple as that. 448 00:20:17,610 --> 00:20:20,386 Especially not with a cover story about a witness in Albany. 449 00:20:20,446 --> 00:20:23,120 The newsstand vendor told the troopers she was there. 450 00:20:23,182 --> 00:20:24,752 I relied on that. 451 00:20:24,817 --> 00:20:26,319 JACK: They don't see it that way. 452 00:20:26,385 --> 00:20:29,594 Really? Well, their activity reports say they do. 453 00:20:29,655 --> 00:20:31,692 Activity reports that you supervised. 454 00:20:34,026 --> 00:20:37,337 I have the distinct feeling that somebody's about to read me my rights. 455 00:20:37,596 --> 00:20:39,803 Do you need your rights read, Mr. Conroy? 456 00:20:44,170 --> 00:20:45,478 Off the record? 457 00:20:47,973 --> 00:20:49,884 Okay, on the record then. 458 00:20:50,576 --> 00:20:53,887 Karen and I had been involved. Past tense. 459 00:20:53,946 --> 00:20:56,358 I broke it off. End of story. 460 00:20:56,448 --> 00:20:59,725 I assume you can tell us where you were the night she disappeared. 461 00:20:59,785 --> 00:21:01,560 We already know it wasn't in Albany. 462 00:21:02,688 --> 00:21:04,895 I wouldn't have taken it on faith, either. 463 00:21:05,458 --> 00:21:07,131 I was with someone else. 464 00:21:07,193 --> 00:21:08,536 Not your wife. 465 00:21:09,795 --> 00:21:14,039 My wife and I weren't together at the time. I had my own place. 466 00:21:14,099 --> 00:21:17,376 Now, if that offends your long-horn, self-righteous sense 467 00:21:17,470 --> 00:21:19,780 of right and wrong, then so be it. 468 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:23,514 What offends us is withholding information from an investigation. 469 00:21:23,576 --> 00:21:25,715 If I go public with my relationship with Karen, 470 00:21:25,778 --> 00:21:28,190 I jeopardize cases, maybe even my career. 471 00:21:28,247 --> 00:21:31,694 I wasn't about to do that. Not when I had an alibi. 472 00:21:33,819 --> 00:21:36,561 Alec came over about 5:00, 5:30. 473 00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:41,870 I made dinner. We took a walk, read a bit, 474 00:21:42,728 --> 00:21:44,002 and then turned in. 475 00:21:44,430 --> 00:21:46,000 And when did he leave? 476 00:21:46,065 --> 00:21:47,840 Around 10:00 the next morning. 477 00:21:48,734 --> 00:21:50,907 Can anyone else verify that? 478 00:21:51,437 --> 00:21:54,179 I don't see why I should be answering these questions. 479 00:21:54,907 --> 00:21:57,649 Because you've been noticed as an alibi witness. 480 00:21:57,710 --> 00:22:00,748 That gives me the right to verify Mr. Conroy's story. 481 00:22:02,715 --> 00:22:04,524 Alec never loved that girl. 482 00:22:05,251 --> 00:22:06,559 So you know about the affair? 483 00:22:06,619 --> 00:22:08,690 I'm not a fool Ms. Carmichael. 484 00:22:09,655 --> 00:22:13,159 I know there are things that Alec wants that I can't give him. 485 00:22:13,859 --> 00:22:15,338 I've been with him 12 years. 486 00:22:16,795 --> 00:22:18,706 He always comes back in the end. 487 00:22:20,899 --> 00:22:23,072 I understand he reconciled with his wife. 488 00:22:28,107 --> 00:22:29,814 Alec was right about you. 489 00:22:30,809 --> 00:22:32,652 Houston, isn't it? 490 00:22:33,512 --> 00:22:36,220 Dallas. So he's talked to you? 491 00:22:38,617 --> 00:22:40,961 If you think Alec was in love with this girl, 492 00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:44,297 that he killed her because of it, you're wrong. 493 00:22:45,591 --> 00:22:47,298 Because he was with you, right? 494 00:22:50,362 --> 00:22:53,434 Have you ever seen Alec in court, Ms. Carmichael? 495 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:55,970 No, I haven't had the pleasure. 496 00:22:56,035 --> 00:22:57,309 Well, you should. 497 00:22:57,570 --> 00:22:59,208 Because then you would know, 498 00:23:00,139 --> 00:23:02,210 Alec Conroy doesn't fear anything. 499 00:23:04,576 --> 00:23:06,578 She's lying, Jack. I know it. 500 00:23:06,645 --> 00:23:09,558 And the way she idolizes Conroy, it's just creepy. 501 00:23:09,615 --> 00:23:11,356 Like he's got some kind of hold over her. 502 00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:14,023 If what the police are saying is true, 503 00:23:14,086 --> 00:23:17,898 Conroy's been able to manipulate an entire murder investigation. 504 00:23:17,957 --> 00:23:19,937 Why not an alibi witness? 505 00:23:20,893 --> 00:23:23,373 Anything turn up with Marner's doormen? 506 00:23:23,429 --> 00:23:25,602 They can't confirm Conroy was with her that night, 507 00:23:25,664 --> 00:23:27,803 but they can't dispute it, either. 508 00:23:27,866 --> 00:23:30,676 Still leaves us without probable cause for a search warrant. 509 00:23:30,803 --> 00:23:32,476 But we might be getting close. 510 00:23:32,538 --> 00:23:35,280 The cops went over to Conroy's apartment building. 511 00:23:35,341 --> 00:23:36,547 Anything? 512 00:23:36,642 --> 00:23:38,121 There was no sighting of him that night, 513 00:23:38,177 --> 00:23:39,884 but the concierge let it slip 514 00:23:39,945 --> 00:23:42,425 that a few days after Karen Hall's murder 515 00:23:42,481 --> 00:23:44,984 Mrs. Conroy sent down specific instructions 516 00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:48,759 not to let Conroy up to the apartment under any circumstances. 517 00:23:50,089 --> 00:23:52,763 One month after he supposedly broke off the affair, 518 00:23:52,825 --> 00:23:55,328 his wife suddenly bars him from their apartment? Why? 519 00:23:55,961 --> 00:23:57,406 She was afraid of somethin'. 520 00:23:57,463 --> 00:23:58,908 Or someone. 521 00:23:59,465 --> 00:24:00,910 But even if it's true, they've reconciled. 522 00:24:00,966 --> 00:24:02,775 I doubt she'll tell us anything now. 523 00:24:02,868 --> 00:24:05,041 Maybe there's someone else she'll talk to. 524 00:24:09,141 --> 00:24:11,178 SHORE: Alec is a suspect in this girl's murder. 525 00:24:12,277 --> 00:24:15,383 It's not possible. He wouldn't. 526 00:24:15,447 --> 00:24:17,256 You must have had some suspicion. 527 00:24:18,183 --> 00:24:19,787 Why else leave specific instructions 528 00:24:19,852 --> 00:24:21,763 your husband not be allowed into your home? 529 00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:23,731 Alec still had his own apartment. 530 00:24:23,789 --> 00:24:26,793 JACK: You left the same instructions at your children's school. 531 00:24:29,395 --> 00:24:30,601 Where are the kids? 532 00:24:30,963 --> 00:24:32,442 With my parents. 533 00:24:34,099 --> 00:24:35,305 JACK: Why? 534 00:24:36,101 --> 00:24:38,479 Are you afraid of your husband, Mrs. Conroy? 535 00:24:39,438 --> 00:24:42,647 I don't see how my relationship with my husband is any of your business. 536 00:24:43,475 --> 00:24:44,545 Either of yours. 537 00:24:45,577 --> 00:24:47,352 This is very hard for me, too. 538 00:24:48,881 --> 00:24:51,327 Alec and I worked side by side every day. 539 00:24:52,151 --> 00:24:54,427 I respected him and I trusted him. 540 00:24:55,688 --> 00:24:58,225 But this is no good. We're not going to be able to protect him. 541 00:24:58,690 --> 00:25:01,534 He's getting help, Isabel. He really is trying this time. 542 00:25:01,593 --> 00:25:05,473 If he killed her, nothing will ever be right again 543 00:25:05,531 --> 00:25:07,511 until he takes responsibility for it. 544 00:25:09,201 --> 00:25:11,772 How long can you keep your children away, Mrs. Conroy? 545 00:25:20,479 --> 00:25:22,584 We talked about divorcing a few times. 546 00:25:23,983 --> 00:25:27,294 But this last time, I'd really decided. 547 00:25:28,954 --> 00:25:32,629 When I told him, Alec just snapped. 548 00:25:33,492 --> 00:25:36,996 He started accusing this girl of destroying our family. 549 00:25:37,629 --> 00:25:41,076 And the more I tried to explain, the angrier he became. 550 00:25:41,767 --> 00:25:43,405 I got so scared. 551 00:25:44,636 --> 00:25:49,483 I thought if I went with Alec to his therapist, it might be easier. 552 00:25:51,577 --> 00:25:53,022 That's when I found out. 553 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,084 Found out what, Mrs. Conroy? 554 00:25:59,451 --> 00:26:01,795 He had already decided who was to blame. 555 00:26:03,489 --> 00:26:07,869 Obviously I can't go into anything concerning what Alec told me. 556 00:26:07,926 --> 00:26:10,429 Mrs. Conroy indicated that the three of you 557 00:26:10,496 --> 00:26:12,806 discussed her husband's affair with Karen Hall 558 00:26:12,865 --> 00:26:14,435 in a therapy session with you, 559 00:26:14,499 --> 00:26:18,970 and that in fact it was you who recommended that they immediately separate. 560 00:26:19,972 --> 00:26:22,009 Deanne Conroy wasn't my patient. 561 00:26:22,908 --> 00:26:25,286 Well, you can at least verify the accuracy of her statement. 562 00:26:25,911 --> 00:26:29,916 I suppose if she's already told you as much, I don't see the harm in that. 563 00:26:29,982 --> 00:26:32,394 She also revealed the substance of that therapy session, 564 00:26:32,451 --> 00:26:34,624 and that she left it with serious concerns 565 00:26:34,686 --> 00:26:36,996 about the safety of Karen Hall. 566 00:26:38,223 --> 00:26:41,227 Now we're treading on thinner ice here, Counselors. 567 00:26:41,293 --> 00:26:45,298 That information arises directly out of my diagnosis of Mr. Conroy. 568 00:26:45,364 --> 00:26:47,970 And when another woman turns up missing, what then, Doctor? 569 00:26:48,033 --> 00:26:50,138 My obligation is to my patient. 570 00:26:51,403 --> 00:26:52,711 I warned Ms. Hall. 571 00:26:52,771 --> 00:26:53,943 CARMICHAEL: You warned her? 572 00:26:54,006 --> 00:26:57,010 I put it all in the letter. There's nothing more I could do. 573 00:26:57,075 --> 00:26:58,554 What letter, Doctor? 574 00:27:01,013 --> 00:27:02,651 A Tarasoff letter. 575 00:27:02,714 --> 00:27:05,422 You're familiar with it? Regents v. Tarasoff. 576 00:27:05,484 --> 00:27:10,194 A California case permitting a psychiatrist to send a warning letter 577 00:27:10,255 --> 00:27:13,634 if he believes his patient constitutes a threat to a third party. 578 00:27:13,692 --> 00:27:16,138 You say you got this copy from Conroy's shrink? 579 00:27:16,261 --> 00:27:18,207 The original hasn't turned up yet. 580 00:27:18,263 --> 00:27:21,403 Conroy probably took care of that in the initial investigation. 581 00:27:21,466 --> 00:27:24,003 "It is my belief that Mr. Conroy constitutes" 582 00:27:24,069 --> 00:27:26,242 "an immediate real danger to you." 583 00:27:26,305 --> 00:27:27,648 That'd be Karen Hall. 584 00:27:27,706 --> 00:27:29,583 LEWIN: "And possibly others." 585 00:27:29,641 --> 00:27:32,747 Conroy's psychiatrist sent a similar letter to Alice Marner. 586 00:27:32,811 --> 00:27:35,052 And you say his wife was in some of these sessions? 587 00:27:35,113 --> 00:27:38,560 She used the therapist's office as a safe haven to break it off with him. 588 00:27:38,617 --> 00:27:42,690 And this other woman Conroy's supposed alibi what's her safe haven? 589 00:27:42,754 --> 00:27:45,200 We have her under 24-hour surveillance. 590 00:27:45,257 --> 00:27:47,760 Which is how we discovered that Marner's late husband 591 00:27:47,826 --> 00:27:50,432 kept a 26-foot Grady White in the boat basin, 592 00:27:50,495 --> 00:27:51,997 and she held onto it. 593 00:27:52,064 --> 00:27:53,372 Well, that's a nice item to have. 594 00:27:53,432 --> 00:27:55,969 I mean, if you need to dispose of a body. 595 00:27:57,336 --> 00:27:59,816 We know you received a letter just like this one. 596 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,242 Alec would never harm me. 597 00:28:03,308 --> 00:28:05,345 Karen Hall made the same assumption. 598 00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:07,321 CARMICHAEL: Ask yourself this, Ms. Marner. 599 00:28:07,446 --> 00:28:11,292 When this trial is over, and Alec Conroy doesn't need you anymore, 600 00:28:11,383 --> 00:28:13,590 are you going to go out on your boat with him again? 601 00:28:17,556 --> 00:28:18,830 We know all about it. 602 00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:22,064 Security from the marina told us someone took your boat out that night. 603 00:28:27,165 --> 00:28:30,840 It's one thing to provide an alibi when you have doubts. 604 00:28:30,903 --> 00:28:33,179 It's quite another when you know the truth. 605 00:28:33,238 --> 00:28:34,911 JACK: It's called accessory after the fact, 606 00:28:34,973 --> 00:28:37,886 and it makes you just as guilty of the murder as Conroy. 607 00:28:37,943 --> 00:28:40,253 No man is worth 25 years in prison. 608 00:28:45,283 --> 00:28:46,762 Alec called that night. 609 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:48,223 JACK: Where was he? 610 00:28:48,287 --> 00:28:49,789 At a pay phone. 611 00:28:49,855 --> 00:28:51,163 JACK: What did he say? 612 00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:55,299 He said he needed my help. He needed me. 613 00:28:56,228 --> 00:28:58,902 I asked him what was wrong. Do I have to do this? 614 00:28:59,765 --> 00:29:01,267 What did Conroy want from you? 615 00:29:01,867 --> 00:29:05,940 He just said he needed to use the boat. To meet him at the marina. 616 00:29:06,538 --> 00:29:08,176 Were you on board? 617 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,412 He took the key. 618 00:29:09,841 --> 00:29:11,377 Did he have anything with him? 619 00:29:15,781 --> 00:29:17,385 A duffel bag. 620 00:29:19,217 --> 00:29:20,696 A big one. 621 00:29:24,056 --> 00:29:25,228 MAN: Who's gonna pay for all this? 622 00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:27,930 Hey, we got a warrant. Take it up with the building manager. 623 00:29:27,993 --> 00:29:29,097 Anything? 624 00:29:29,161 --> 00:29:31,232 Floors have been refinished. Place has been painted. 625 00:29:31,363 --> 00:29:34,310 At 2800 for one bedroom, they damn well better have painted it. 626 00:29:34,366 --> 00:29:35,572 ED: Lennie... 627 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:39,743 There's something in the grouting. It could be blood. 628 00:29:40,806 --> 00:29:43,116 It'll take a second for the Luminol to kick in. 629 00:29:43,175 --> 00:29:44,552 Hit the light, would you, Detective? 630 00:29:47,913 --> 00:29:49,688 ED: That's blood. 631 00:29:49,748 --> 00:29:52,627 Huh. They should have re-tiled the place, too. 632 00:29:52,684 --> 00:29:54,686 Oh, that's it. They're payin' for a hotel. 633 00:29:55,621 --> 00:29:57,157 All right, that's good, that's good. I like that. 634 00:29:57,222 --> 00:29:58,223 But if you were to take Ferguson... 635 00:29:58,290 --> 00:30:00,292 Game's over, boys and girls. 636 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:01,838 Excuse me. What the hell's goin' on here? 637 00:30:01,893 --> 00:30:04,499 Alec Conroy, you're under arrest for the murder of Karen Hall. 638 00:30:04,563 --> 00:30:06,565 Call my wife please. You have the right to remain silent... 639 00:30:06,631 --> 00:30:08,838 Excuse me. I know my rights, thank you. 640 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,380 Oh, that's right. You used to have one of these. 641 00:30:17,476 --> 00:30:20,923 "Docket 44937. People v. Conroy." 642 00:30:20,979 --> 00:30:22,856 "Charge is Murder, Second Degree." 643 00:30:22,914 --> 00:30:24,018 JUDGE: How does the defendant plead? 644 00:30:24,082 --> 00:30:25,857 Not guilty, on behalf of Mr. Conroy. 645 00:30:25,917 --> 00:30:26,918 JUDGE: People on bail? 646 00:30:26,985 --> 00:30:29,864 The defendant is an Assistant Attorney General in the Criminal Division, 647 00:30:29,921 --> 00:30:32,333 and the victim was his former lover and employee. 648 00:30:32,391 --> 00:30:34,928 Now, Your Honor, the People are in possession of a letter dated 649 00:30:34,993 --> 00:30:37,564 shortly before the victim's disappearance which indicates 650 00:30:37,629 --> 00:30:40,041 the defendant posed an immediate physical threat to her. 651 00:30:40,098 --> 00:30:41,805 The letter's totally inadmissible. 652 00:30:41,867 --> 00:30:43,710 His own psychiatrist will attest to it, Your Honor. 653 00:30:43,769 --> 00:30:45,009 Not in any court in this land. 654 00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:47,949 Motion to suppress the so-called Tarasoff letter and anything that comes with it. 655 00:30:48,874 --> 00:30:51,821 Bail's set at one million. Motion's referred to the trial part. 656 00:30:51,877 --> 00:30:53,652 Spin the wheel, Louis. 657 00:30:54,179 --> 00:30:55,556 JUDGE CALLAHAN: Damning stuff, Counselor. 658 00:30:56,081 --> 00:30:58,288 I can understand why you wouldn't want a jury to get wind of this. 659 00:30:58,383 --> 00:31:00,158 Every word in that letter is hearsay, Your Honor, 660 00:31:00,218 --> 00:31:02,960 and is being offered to prove the very matter asserted. 661 00:31:03,021 --> 00:31:04,932 The doctor can confirm its contents. 662 00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:08,136 Not unless my client is willing to waive the doctor-patient privilege 663 00:31:08,193 --> 00:31:10,104 which I can assure you, he's not. 664 00:31:10,162 --> 00:31:11,300 What about it, Mr. McCoy? 665 00:31:11,363 --> 00:31:14,367 Therapeutic privilege was shattered by the presence of a third party. 666 00:31:15,434 --> 00:31:19,075 Well, your office tried that same argument in People v. Bierenbaum. 667 00:31:19,171 --> 00:31:21,242 It didn't work then, doesn't work now. 668 00:31:21,339 --> 00:31:24,912 Your Honor, in Bierenbaum all we had were witnesses who were willing to testify 669 00:31:24,976 --> 00:31:27,650 that the defendant told them he was in therapy. 670 00:31:27,712 --> 00:31:29,589 Here we have someone who was actually in the session. 671 00:31:30,682 --> 00:31:32,491 It was his wife, Your Honor. 672 00:31:33,085 --> 00:31:34,291 Wife? 673 00:31:34,953 --> 00:31:37,229 So if the psychological privilege doesn't apply... 674 00:31:37,289 --> 00:31:39,291 STAN: Then the spousal prohibition does. 675 00:31:39,357 --> 00:31:43,863 Spousal privilege precludes Mrs. Conroy's testifying, not Conroy's psychiatrist. 676 00:31:44,329 --> 00:31:48,243 Call it what you like. I'm not letting the man's shrink violate the privilege 677 00:31:48,333 --> 00:31:50,040 because the man's wife was in the same room. 678 00:31:50,168 --> 00:31:52,170 And without the good doctor's testimony, the letter is hearsay... 679 00:31:52,237 --> 00:31:54,183 Relax, Stan. The letter's out, too. 680 00:31:56,775 --> 00:32:00,052 Dr. Breitel, the letter and his testimony are gone. 681 00:32:01,346 --> 00:32:03,155 What about the blood in the apartment? 682 00:32:03,215 --> 00:32:05,923 Too contaminated for any real analysis. 683 00:32:05,984 --> 00:32:07,088 The murder weapon? 684 00:32:07,152 --> 00:32:09,029 Conroy doesn't own a registered handgun. 685 00:32:09,087 --> 00:32:10,657 He could've gotten it anywhere. 686 00:32:10,722 --> 00:32:13,566 He probably dropped it in the water along with Karen Hall's body. 687 00:32:13,625 --> 00:32:15,127 Well, what does that leave us with? 688 00:32:15,193 --> 00:32:17,434 Alice Marner's testimony that Conroy took her boat out 689 00:32:17,496 --> 00:32:19,271 that night with a duffel bag. 690 00:32:19,331 --> 00:32:23,074 We also have his attempt at a false alibi. It's a roll of the dice. 691 00:32:23,368 --> 00:32:25,075 (SIGHS) No. 692 00:32:26,471 --> 00:32:28,815 I don't want to gamble with a jilted mistress, Jack. 693 00:32:35,514 --> 00:32:37,357 A plea? You can't be serious. 694 00:32:37,415 --> 00:32:39,691 Alec, let's hear them out at least. Hear what out? 695 00:32:39,751 --> 00:32:42,595 Without Dr. Breitel, all you've got is circumstantial evidence. 696 00:32:42,654 --> 00:32:44,395 We all know how juries hate to convict on that. 697 00:32:44,456 --> 00:32:46,129 And yet sometimes they do. 698 00:32:46,191 --> 00:32:48,535 Trust me this one won't. 699 00:32:48,593 --> 00:32:51,665 They might after they learn about all the blood in that bathroom. 700 00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:54,173 From what I understand from your forensic report, 701 00:32:54,232 --> 00:32:56,838 the blood couldn't be typed. It was too contaminated? 702 00:32:56,902 --> 00:32:59,473 STAN: Alec... I remember reading somewhere that bleach can do that. 703 00:33:00,405 --> 00:33:03,443 Aren't you forgetting about a large duffel bag you were carrying that evening? 704 00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:06,219 Oh, the one that Alice never actually looked into? 705 00:33:06,278 --> 00:33:08,383 It's in my closet. I can bring it in, if you'd like. 706 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,154 Of course, it could be one that just looks like it. 707 00:33:11,483 --> 00:33:14,760 Any event, I doubt Alice will be able to tell the difference either way. 708 00:33:14,819 --> 00:33:16,924 We also have a witness in the marina. 709 00:33:16,988 --> 00:33:19,434 ALEC: A witness to what? A late night cruise? 710 00:33:20,058 --> 00:33:22,538 Do you know how many times I've taken that boat out? Hmm? 711 00:33:22,594 --> 00:33:24,665 Even when Alice's husband was alive? 712 00:33:24,729 --> 00:33:27,266 You don't seriously expect to walk on this? 713 00:33:28,867 --> 00:33:31,677 I understand you've never seen me in court. 714 00:33:32,604 --> 00:33:33,947 Consider this a preview. 715 00:33:34,739 --> 00:33:35,911 Stan. 716 00:33:47,285 --> 00:33:51,097 Miss Hall was last seen by Ms. Cofresta at approximately 4:00 p.m. 717 00:33:51,156 --> 00:33:53,568 She had indicated that she was going to be staying in the city. 718 00:33:54,426 --> 00:33:58,374 What about the witness who originally placed Ms. Hall in Albany? 719 00:33:58,897 --> 00:34:00,934 He's since retracted that identification. 720 00:34:01,967 --> 00:34:03,310 Thank you. Nothing further. 721 00:34:07,872 --> 00:34:10,478 To your knowledge, was Mr. Conroy seen 722 00:34:10,542 --> 00:34:12,215 with the deceased the night of her disappearance? 723 00:34:12,277 --> 00:34:13,415 Uh, no. 724 00:34:13,478 --> 00:34:15,822 And Mr. Conroy has admitted that he and Ms. Hall 725 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,188 were having an affair, has he not? 726 00:34:17,248 --> 00:34:18,522 ED: I believe he has, yes. 727 00:34:18,583 --> 00:34:22,531 Well, do you know of any fact... Fact, Detective, 728 00:34:22,587 --> 00:34:25,295 that would contradict his assertion that the affair had ended? 729 00:34:25,357 --> 00:34:26,427 No. 730 00:34:26,491 --> 00:34:28,596 In fact, the only evidence on the issue 731 00:34:28,660 --> 00:34:33,075 is that Mr. Conroy returned to his wife following a legal separation. 732 00:34:33,131 --> 00:34:36,476 Actually, I think he made a few stops before he went back to his wife. 733 00:34:37,602 --> 00:34:39,548 Ha-ha. Nothing further. 734 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,883 ALICE: I've known Alec for 12 years. 735 00:34:44,075 --> 00:34:46,919 JACK: You described your relationship with the defendant as passionate. 736 00:34:47,946 --> 00:34:51,257 Passionate. Supportive. 737 00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:53,195 Supportive, how? 738 00:34:53,251 --> 00:34:55,993 Alec was not a man who found it easy to 739 00:34:56,955 --> 00:34:58,764 let his guard down with others. 740 00:35:00,292 --> 00:35:01,635 With me, it was different. 741 00:35:01,693 --> 00:35:04,264 He trusted me. He confided in me. 742 00:35:04,329 --> 00:35:06,070 JACK: And that night, he confided in you? 743 00:35:06,865 --> 00:35:08,435 Alec asked for my help. 744 00:35:10,068 --> 00:35:11,741 He needed to use the boat. 745 00:35:11,803 --> 00:35:13,476 JACK: Those were his words? "Use the boat?" 746 00:35:13,538 --> 00:35:15,643 Yes, and I let him. 747 00:35:17,642 --> 00:35:19,815 I let him throw that girl's body into the river. 748 00:35:20,212 --> 00:35:22,283 STAN: Objection. JUDGE: Sustained. 749 00:35:22,447 --> 00:35:23,755 JACK: Thank you. Nothing further. 750 00:35:28,286 --> 00:35:31,495 Twelve years is a long time to know a man, isn't it? 751 00:35:31,556 --> 00:35:32,796 And you are 752 00:35:33,858 --> 00:35:36,202 fond of Alec Conroy, aren't you? 753 00:35:36,561 --> 00:35:39,303 I've been in love with Alec Conroy since the day we met. 754 00:35:40,665 --> 00:35:41,939 And I still am. 755 00:35:42,701 --> 00:35:45,682 And you've testified that this man who you've known and loved for nearly 12 years, 756 00:35:45,737 --> 00:35:48,445 who confided in you, trusted you, 757 00:35:48,506 --> 00:35:51,453 called and asked if he could use your boat? 758 00:35:51,509 --> 00:35:52,681 ALICE: Yes. 759 00:35:53,545 --> 00:35:55,456 In the dead of winter. 760 00:35:55,513 --> 00:35:59,620 And this man who so trusted you and relied on you gave no reason why. 761 00:35:59,684 --> 00:36:01,357 He just said he needed help. 762 00:36:01,453 --> 00:36:04,127 STAN: He offered no explanation, and you didn't ask him why? 763 00:36:04,456 --> 00:36:05,662 ALICE: No. 764 00:36:05,724 --> 00:36:08,204 You just met him at the boat. 765 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,161 Yes. 766 00:36:10,228 --> 00:36:12,037 And you claimed that when he showed up, 767 00:36:12,097 --> 00:36:15,374 he was carrying a duffel bag, and still you didn't ask why? 768 00:36:16,001 --> 00:36:17,309 ALICE: No. 769 00:36:24,876 --> 00:36:27,482 You didn't meet Alec Conroy at the boat that night, did you? 770 00:36:28,780 --> 00:36:30,020 I don't understand. 771 00:36:30,081 --> 00:36:32,960 Oh, you went to the boat all right, but you met him at his apartment, didn't you? 772 00:36:33,218 --> 00:36:34,595 No, I did not. 773 00:36:34,686 --> 00:36:37,599 You met him at the apartment that he had rented for the two of you. 774 00:36:38,456 --> 00:36:40,129 Only you weren't invited. 775 00:36:40,191 --> 00:36:44,662 And when you showed up to see your lover of 12 years in the arms of this young girl... 776 00:36:44,729 --> 00:36:46,106 What are you trying to do? 777 00:36:46,164 --> 00:36:48,576 STAN: Your late husband owned a .22 caliber handgun, 778 00:36:48,633 --> 00:36:50,237 did he not, Mrs. Marner? ALICE: Alec... 779 00:36:50,302 --> 00:36:52,339 STAN: You're the one who killed that woman that night, aren't you? 780 00:36:52,404 --> 00:36:54,543 No! The wife posed no threat. 781 00:36:54,606 --> 00:36:58,418 But this one, she did. This young sensuous woman. 782 00:36:58,476 --> 00:37:00,353 Objection. Overruled. 783 00:37:00,712 --> 00:37:03,056 You killed her, and then you asked Alec Conroy, 784 00:37:03,114 --> 00:37:06,220 the man you love, the man you trust, to help you. 785 00:37:06,284 --> 00:37:09,663 In fact, you counted on the 12 years of control that you had had over him. 786 00:37:09,721 --> 00:37:10,893 Control I had? 787 00:37:10,955 --> 00:37:13,333 Yeah, and it worked. Because rather than turn you in, 788 00:37:13,391 --> 00:37:16,031 rather than fulfill his obligations as a prosecutor 789 00:37:16,094 --> 00:37:18,836 he took pity on you, didn't he? 790 00:37:18,897 --> 00:37:21,309 Helped you get rid of Miss Hall's body? 791 00:37:21,366 --> 00:37:23,744 That never happened. Never! 792 00:37:23,802 --> 00:37:25,179 Your boat, Mrs. Marner. 793 00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:29,746 Your boat, your gun, your jealousy. 794 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,292 Should've seen it coming. How could we? 795 00:37:38,350 --> 00:37:42,127 The gun was registered to Marner's late husband in Florida, not New York. 796 00:37:43,054 --> 00:37:44,692 You think the jury will see through that? 797 00:37:45,657 --> 00:37:47,762 Gillum doesn't need to prove the Marner scenario. 798 00:37:47,826 --> 00:37:51,535 He just has to get one juror to buy himself reasonable doubt. 799 00:37:51,596 --> 00:37:54,338 Which he can do because they will never see the Tarasoff letter. 800 00:37:54,399 --> 00:37:59,280 To a lawyer like Gillum, that letter isn't a fact, it's just an annoying detail. 801 00:38:00,071 --> 00:38:02,517 This guy leaves his wife, he takes two lovers, 802 00:38:02,574 --> 00:38:05,612 and he still has the sanctity of marital privilege to protect him. 803 00:38:11,449 --> 00:38:13,486 Except he didn't just leave his wife. 804 00:38:14,486 --> 00:38:16,693 When Gillum crossed Green he said... 805 00:38:16,754 --> 00:38:18,324 They were legally separated. 806 00:38:19,591 --> 00:38:21,901 Another one of those annoying details. 807 00:38:25,296 --> 00:38:27,572 I was under the impression I'd already ruled on this. 808 00:38:27,632 --> 00:38:30,010 The Tarasoff letter, the shrink's testimony. 809 00:38:30,869 --> 00:38:32,109 It's a non-starter, Jack. 810 00:38:32,170 --> 00:38:34,980 We're agreed that if Mr. Conroy had uttered his threats 811 00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:36,848 to his psychiatrist and a third party, 812 00:38:36,908 --> 00:38:38,285 the privilege would have been shattered? 813 00:38:38,343 --> 00:38:42,189 We've been down this path. The so-called third party was his wife. 814 00:38:42,247 --> 00:38:46,127 Only they were legally separated at the time, not just living apart. 815 00:38:46,618 --> 00:38:50,566 Page 36 of your cross-examination of Detective Green, Stan. 816 00:38:50,622 --> 00:38:51,794 A legal separation? 817 00:38:52,323 --> 00:38:53,859 They filed an agreement with the court. 818 00:38:53,925 --> 00:38:55,666 STAN: A distinction without a difference. 819 00:38:55,727 --> 00:38:58,765 Your Honor, once an agreement has been filed, 820 00:38:58,830 --> 00:39:00,605 one spouse can go out and have an affair, 821 00:39:00,665 --> 00:39:03,236 and legally the other spouse can't use it as grounds for divorce. 822 00:39:03,301 --> 00:39:04,974 I'd say that's a pretty big difference. 823 00:39:05,036 --> 00:39:07,812 JUDGE: So you're claiming now that marital privilege doesn't apply 824 00:39:07,872 --> 00:39:10,079 because the sanctity of marriage no longer existed? 825 00:39:10,508 --> 00:39:13,512 In the eyes of the law, Deanne Conroy was a third party. 826 00:39:13,578 --> 00:39:17,617 Ergo, her presence in therapy nullifies the therapeutic privilege. 827 00:39:17,715 --> 00:39:19,023 Your Honor... 828 00:39:19,083 --> 00:39:20,926 JUDGE: Stan, look at it this way. 829 00:39:21,419 --> 00:39:25,094 If the jury convicts, you'll have a hell of an issue on appeal. 830 00:39:26,057 --> 00:39:27,559 The letter's in, the shrink's in. 831 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,844 Doctor, please read the highlighted portion 832 00:39:37,902 --> 00:39:40,644 in the third full paragraph on page two. 833 00:39:41,806 --> 00:39:43,444 DR. BREITEL: "In the light of this, Ms. Hall", 834 00:39:43,508 --> 00:39:45,988 "I believe that Mr. Conroy should be considered" 835 00:39:46,044 --> 00:39:49,423 "an immediate and very real physical threat." 836 00:39:50,815 --> 00:39:52,726 What was the basis for your opinion? 837 00:39:52,784 --> 00:39:55,230 Mr. Conroy suffers from CDR. 838 00:39:55,286 --> 00:39:57,357 Control Domination Response. 839 00:39:57,422 --> 00:39:58,730 In lay terms? 840 00:39:58,790 --> 00:40:01,270 He needs to feel that everything in his life, 841 00:40:01,326 --> 00:40:03,328 especially the people in his life, 842 00:40:03,394 --> 00:40:06,500 are under his control, domination. 843 00:40:06,564 --> 00:40:10,011 JACK: Specifically? DR. BREITEL: Just look at the women in his life. 844 00:40:10,068 --> 00:40:15,347 Devoted wife, widowed mistress, aspiring employee. 845 00:40:15,406 --> 00:40:19,752 All of them share a vulnerability to him A dependence. 846 00:40:20,278 --> 00:40:23,816 When Mr. Conroy realized he could no longer control Ms. Hall, 847 00:40:23,881 --> 00:40:27,590 you can see how her defiance could be perceived by him 848 00:40:27,652 --> 00:40:31,429 as jeopardizing more than just their relationship. 849 00:40:31,489 --> 00:40:33,628 Did he say he was going to kill Ms. Hall? 850 00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:36,796 He said he wanted to. 851 00:40:38,663 --> 00:40:40,006 And I believed him. 852 00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:42,873 JACK: Nothing further. 853 00:40:47,372 --> 00:40:48,976 Man one on the table, McCoy? 854 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,713 You've gotta be kidding. 855 00:40:50,775 --> 00:40:52,448 So what is? JACK: Murder two. 856 00:40:53,911 --> 00:40:55,788 I can get that after trial. 857 00:40:55,847 --> 00:40:57,485 Not with a promise of 20-to-life. 858 00:40:57,548 --> 00:40:59,721 Oh, you're going to knock five years off the bottom? 859 00:40:59,784 --> 00:41:02,025 And we take no position on parole. 860 00:41:02,086 --> 00:41:03,997 You might just see the light of day again. 861 00:41:04,322 --> 00:41:07,565 (SCOFFS) The light of day. 862 00:41:07,625 --> 00:41:10,196 Do you know how many times I sat on the other side of this table 863 00:41:10,261 --> 00:41:12,332 and said those same words to a defendant? 864 00:41:12,397 --> 00:41:13,899 Now or never, Mr. Conroy. 865 00:41:14,499 --> 00:41:17,810 The ticking clock. Always an effective strategy. 866 00:41:22,173 --> 00:41:23,618 You've got your plea, McCoy. 867 00:41:23,674 --> 00:41:24,982 JACK: You'll have to allocute. 868 00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:27,556 Oh, is that really necessary? 869 00:41:27,612 --> 00:41:31,185 For months, Karen Hall's family has been plagued by questions of how and why. 870 00:41:31,249 --> 00:41:33,593 We're not leaving this room until your client answers them. 871 00:41:33,818 --> 00:41:34,819 (WHISPERS) You don't have to. 872 00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:36,421 It's okay. 873 00:41:37,588 --> 00:41:42,333 You know, this may come as a big surprise to all of you, but I loved Karen. 874 00:41:42,994 --> 00:41:45,702 Killing someone's a pretty sick way of saying "I love you." 875 00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:53,843 When I first met Karen, she was just another local girl in cheap shoes. 876 00:41:54,205 --> 00:41:56,617 She didn't know the first thing about being a professional, 877 00:41:56,674 --> 00:42:02,215 about talking like one, or like dressing like one, or like thinking like one. 878 00:42:03,014 --> 00:42:04,584 I was the one who taught her that. 879 00:42:04,649 --> 00:42:06,060 And then you betrayed her. 880 00:42:06,117 --> 00:42:08,358 ALEC: No, that was her choice, not mine. 881 00:42:08,419 --> 00:42:11,923 I was willing to give up my wife and my children for her. 882 00:42:13,191 --> 00:42:15,296 She just couldn't appreciate the sacrifice. 883 00:42:17,262 --> 00:42:18,400 So then? 884 00:42:18,463 --> 00:42:20,602 So then I called her late that afternoon 885 00:42:20,665 --> 00:42:23,475 and told her I had some new information about the case. 886 00:42:25,236 --> 00:42:28,012 She was reluctant about coming over to the apartment, 887 00:42:28,806 --> 00:42:31,116 but I told her it would just be a few minutes. 888 00:42:31,776 --> 00:42:34,222 But I could tell in her voice she didn't want to come. 889 00:42:34,278 --> 00:42:35,450 But she did. 890 00:42:35,513 --> 00:42:37,857 Loyalty to the job, Ms. Carmichael. 891 00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:40,486 I taught her that, too. 892 00:42:40,952 --> 00:42:42,727 Where'd you get the gun? 893 00:42:42,787 --> 00:42:44,789 Alice's, a few weeks before. 894 00:42:44,856 --> 00:42:46,460 What happened after Ms. Hall got there? 895 00:42:47,091 --> 00:42:49,230 ALEC: At first, we talked about work. 896 00:42:49,294 --> 00:42:51,740 I wanted her to think everything was going to be okay. 897 00:42:52,296 --> 00:42:55,334 But then I brought up the relationship, and Karen said 898 00:42:56,134 --> 00:42:59,707 she was uncomfortable with the subject. That it was over. 899 00:43:01,005 --> 00:43:04,111 She started putting on her coat. I told her to sit down. 900 00:43:05,176 --> 00:43:07,782 She said I couldn't tell her what to do anymore. 901 00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:12,389 So I reached for her, and she pulled away. 902 00:43:14,552 --> 00:43:19,501 And she said that the thought of her being touched by me again made her sick. 903 00:43:21,392 --> 00:43:22,894 That's when she saw the gun. 904 00:43:24,595 --> 00:43:28,065 She gave me this look like she knew she'd gone too far. 905 00:43:29,467 --> 00:43:31,344 Why not just let her walk away? 906 00:43:31,402 --> 00:43:32,676 ALEC: I couldn't. 907 00:43:33,871 --> 00:43:36,977 Karen should have known I could never do that. 908 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,554 Now she does. 909 00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:51,626 Background checks, press coverage, 910 00:43:51,689 --> 00:43:53,760 and with all that, Alec Conroy was a heartbeat away 911 00:43:53,825 --> 00:43:56,999 from one of the most powerful jobs in the criminal justice system. 912 00:43:57,929 --> 00:44:00,569 (EXHALES) What a frightening thought. 913 00:44:00,619 --> 00:44:05,169 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 74805

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