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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,539 --> 00:00:09,442 ** 2 00:00:09,476 --> 00:00:11,344 -Police began excavating here 3 00:00:11,378 --> 00:00:14,214 when information was passed to them by a teenage girl. 4 00:00:14,247 --> 00:00:17,217 She told them clues to the disappearance of Heather West 5 00:00:17,250 --> 00:00:19,652 were lying beneath the paving stones. 6 00:00:19,686 --> 00:00:22,655 -Heather, the first child of Fred West, 7 00:00:22,689 --> 00:00:26,526 has been missing since 1987. 8 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:30,263 -Fred was very jolly, very amenable. 9 00:00:30,296 --> 00:00:33,533 -What kind of a father murders his daughter? 10 00:00:33,566 --> 00:00:35,368 ** 11 00:00:35,402 --> 00:00:37,537 -It was a story that was worth investigating. 12 00:00:37,570 --> 00:00:40,240 You never know where it might end up, 13 00:00:40,273 --> 00:00:43,343 and boy, did we not know where it was gonna end up. 14 00:00:43,376 --> 00:00:46,146 -I thought we were looking for the body of one girl. 15 00:00:46,179 --> 00:00:47,714 -The bodies just kept on coming. 16 00:00:47,747 --> 00:00:51,418 First there was two, then there were five. 17 00:00:51,451 --> 00:00:57,290 -These girls were tortured, raped, and destroyed. 18 00:00:57,323 --> 00:01:01,361 -I had to explain to the police that this man is a psychopath. 19 00:01:01,394 --> 00:01:07,434 This is a man for whom other people don't exist. 20 00:01:07,467 --> 00:01:10,403 -She waved to me as I left, 21 00:01:10,437 --> 00:01:12,572 and that was the last I saw of her. 22 00:01:12,605 --> 00:01:15,141 ** 23 00:01:15,175 --> 00:01:19,279 -Suddenly, the world's media descended on Cromwell Street, 24 00:01:19,312 --> 00:01:21,214 hundreds and hundreds of them. 25 00:01:21,247 --> 00:01:23,283 -25 Cromwell Street became known 26 00:01:23,316 --> 00:01:27,153 as the House of Horrors all over the world. 27 00:01:27,187 --> 00:01:29,956 -Who are these girls that he's killed? 28 00:01:29,989 --> 00:01:33,159 How did they come to Cromwell Street? 29 00:01:33,193 --> 00:01:36,763 -Most girls would have run, but Rose didn't. 30 00:01:36,796 --> 00:01:39,332 -They were married, husband and wife. 31 00:01:39,366 --> 00:01:42,435 How could it be possible that these things were happening 32 00:01:42,469 --> 00:01:46,639 without Rose knowing what was going on in the house? 33 00:01:46,673 --> 00:01:48,308 -She must have known. 34 00:01:48,341 --> 00:01:51,177 She must have been part of this. 35 00:01:51,211 --> 00:01:54,981 -Police were convinced they should charge them both. 36 00:01:55,015 --> 00:01:59,386 -Married couple accused of being serial killers -- 37 00:01:59,419 --> 00:02:01,721 Britain's worst serial killers. 38 00:02:01,755 --> 00:02:06,192 -What are you talking about, some fantastic horror story? 39 00:02:06,226 --> 00:02:07,761 Well, yes. 40 00:02:07,794 --> 00:02:09,996 ** 41 00:02:10,030 --> 00:02:12,265 [ Camera shutter clicking ] 42 00:02:12,298 --> 00:02:19,305 ** 43 00:02:22,308 --> 00:02:29,315 ** 44 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:34,754 ** 45 00:02:34,788 --> 00:02:36,656 -You'll find Gloucester on the map 46 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:39,826 about 100 miles west of London, on the edge of an area 47 00:02:39,859 --> 00:02:43,263 of outstanding natural beauty called the Cotswolds. 48 00:02:43,296 --> 00:02:45,665 The Cotswolds is the fashionable area, 49 00:02:45,699 --> 00:02:49,269 Gloucester very much the working-class area. 50 00:02:49,302 --> 00:02:51,371 ** 51 00:02:51,404 --> 00:02:53,673 -Cromwell Street is a little road 52 00:02:53,707 --> 00:02:56,509 really close to the center of Gloucester. 53 00:02:56,543 --> 00:02:59,512 There was nothing posh about Cromwell Street. 54 00:02:59,546 --> 00:03:03,383 It was exactly the opposite -- quite small, quite narrow, 55 00:03:03,416 --> 00:03:06,286 had a very itinerant population. 56 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:08,688 People were coming and going all the time. 57 00:03:08,722 --> 00:03:14,494 25 Cromwell Street started life as a derelict building. 58 00:03:14,527 --> 00:03:19,399 Fred West took it on and proceeded to "do it up," 59 00:03:19,432 --> 00:03:23,269 which really meant making it habitable, 60 00:03:23,303 --> 00:03:26,406 and in the early days, Fred and Rose 61 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:30,276 let out the top floor to lodgers. 62 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:33,546 All manner of strange people came and went. 63 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:36,449 There were hippies. There were runaways. 64 00:03:36,483 --> 00:03:38,685 There were all kinds of people. 65 00:03:38,718 --> 00:03:45,725 ** 66 00:03:48,728 --> 00:03:51,831 [ Bell tolling ] 67 00:03:51,865 --> 00:03:58,872 ** 68 00:04:01,808 --> 00:04:06,880 -I moved into Cromwell Street when I was 16. 69 00:04:06,913 --> 00:04:08,848 I was a little bit of a rebel. 70 00:04:08,882 --> 00:04:12,686 I lost my dad two years previous to leaving home, 71 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,588 and I just decided I could make it out on my own. 72 00:04:15,622 --> 00:04:17,624 I was gonna be independent at last, 73 00:04:17,657 --> 00:04:19,426 and nobody could find me. 74 00:04:19,459 --> 00:04:21,594 It was a start of a new life. 75 00:04:21,628 --> 00:04:27,467 ** 76 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:29,636 When I moved into Cromwell Street, 77 00:04:29,669 --> 00:04:32,372 Fred was very jolly, very amenable. 78 00:04:32,405 --> 00:04:34,574 He was always a very happy person. 79 00:04:34,607 --> 00:04:35,909 Rose was very pleasant, 80 00:04:35,942 --> 00:04:37,911 but she was a little bit aloof with me. 81 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:39,779 If she didn't want to speak to you, 82 00:04:39,813 --> 00:04:42,949 she would just turn her back on you and walk away. 83 00:04:42,982 --> 00:04:44,617 Fred and Rose's relationship 84 00:04:44,651 --> 00:04:47,787 was absolutely besotted with each other. 85 00:04:47,821 --> 00:04:48,988 They couldn't pass each other 86 00:04:49,022 --> 00:04:51,591 without a little peck on the cheek. 87 00:04:51,624 --> 00:04:53,793 They smiled at each other constantly. 88 00:04:53,827 --> 00:05:00,800 ** 89 00:05:00,834 --> 00:05:05,805 The house was very homely, very welcoming. 90 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,975 Rose was an avid cleaner, so the house always smelled 91 00:05:09,009 --> 00:05:12,679 of a disinfectant-type, bleach-type smell. 92 00:05:12,712 --> 00:05:14,514 As you go through the front door, 93 00:05:14,547 --> 00:05:15,782 to the left was Rose's room. 94 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:17,517 To the right was the living room. 95 00:05:17,550 --> 00:05:19,853 Upstairs, there was another floor. 96 00:05:19,886 --> 00:05:22,522 Straight up again was my room to the right, 97 00:05:22,555 --> 00:05:25,392 which faced out to the front of the property. 98 00:05:25,425 --> 00:05:26,993 I seemed to hit it off with Rose. 99 00:05:27,027 --> 00:05:28,661 Eventually, we got to the stages of, 100 00:05:28,695 --> 00:05:29,963 "Could you babysit the children?" 101 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:32,832 Which, yeah, yeah, that was fine by me. 102 00:05:32,866 --> 00:05:34,834 There was Anna Marie. 103 00:05:34,868 --> 00:05:36,836 There was Heather. 104 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:40,407 There was Mae, and there was Stephen. 105 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,678 Heather was 8 and a bubbly girl, up for fun. 106 00:05:44,711 --> 00:05:46,946 We'd either watch a movie on the TV 107 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:50,216 or go out and play our silly little games. 108 00:05:50,250 --> 00:05:52,552 It was a happy family. 109 00:05:52,585 --> 00:05:59,592 ** 110 00:06:02,595 --> 00:06:06,766 ** 111 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,703 [ Children shouting indistinctly ] 112 00:06:09,736 --> 00:06:13,740 -Quite by chance, some of the West children 113 00:06:13,773 --> 00:06:18,044 were outside playing in Cromwell Street... 114 00:06:18,078 --> 00:06:20,714 and a policeman is walking down Cromwell Street 115 00:06:20,747 --> 00:06:22,582 wheeling his bicycle. 116 00:06:22,615 --> 00:06:24,517 And the girls turn to the policeman 117 00:06:24,551 --> 00:06:26,886 and say, "What would you do 118 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,890 if a father was abusing one of his daughters?" 119 00:06:30,924 --> 00:06:35,028 And the policeman reports the conversation... 120 00:06:35,061 --> 00:06:39,566 and began a chain of events that was eventually to lead 121 00:06:39,599 --> 00:06:44,904 the police to arrest Fred for...raping his daughter. 122 00:06:44,938 --> 00:06:50,610 And at that point, Gloucestershire Social Services 123 00:06:50,643 --> 00:06:54,748 took the five youngest West children into care. 124 00:06:54,781 --> 00:06:57,617 ** 125 00:06:57,650 --> 00:07:01,054 When that rape charge comes to trial... 126 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:04,924 the daughter in question refuses steadfastly 127 00:07:04,958 --> 00:07:06,993 to give evidence against her father, 128 00:07:07,027 --> 00:07:09,629 and the judge in the case has no alternative 129 00:07:09,662 --> 00:07:13,767 but to throw out the charges. 130 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,504 But the five children remain in care, 131 00:07:17,537 --> 00:07:21,074 and while they're in care, the social workers come across 132 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:24,511 what they described as a family joke. 133 00:07:24,544 --> 00:07:27,647 The younger children said, "Well, Fred used to threaten us. 134 00:07:27,681 --> 00:07:31,618 You know, if you're naughty, you'll end up like Heather 135 00:07:31,651 --> 00:07:33,920 under the patio in the back garden." 136 00:07:33,953 --> 00:07:40,960 ** 137 00:07:43,963 --> 00:07:46,533 ** 138 00:07:46,566 --> 00:07:48,668 -The family joke kept cropping up, 139 00:07:48,702 --> 00:07:52,172 so naturally, the police decided they would have to follow it up. 140 00:07:52,205 --> 00:07:55,108 ** 141 00:07:55,141 --> 00:07:58,545 -Gloucester police discovered that Heather, 142 00:07:58,578 --> 00:08:00,146 the first child of Fred and Rose, 143 00:08:00,180 --> 00:08:05,585 has been missing since 1987 at the age of 16. 144 00:08:05,618 --> 00:08:07,554 There was no National Insurance number. 145 00:08:07,587 --> 00:08:08,922 There were no medical records. 146 00:08:08,955 --> 00:08:11,124 There was nothing. 147 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:18,164 ** 148 00:08:21,167 --> 00:08:28,174 ** 149 00:08:31,177 --> 00:08:36,016 ** 150 00:08:36,049 --> 00:08:38,852 -The door was opened by Rose West. 151 00:08:38,885 --> 00:08:41,154 "We have a search warrant to search the garden 152 00:08:41,187 --> 00:08:44,157 for the body of your daughter Heather." 153 00:08:44,190 --> 00:08:47,694 Rose's reply was, "Well, you can fuck off." 154 00:08:47,727 --> 00:08:50,864 She had dark hair. She wore large spectacles. 155 00:08:50,897 --> 00:08:53,733 She was slightly overweight, 156 00:08:53,767 --> 00:08:58,705 and she was wearing a negligee and bedroom slippers. 157 00:08:58,738 --> 00:09:01,174 Bearing in mind, this is early afternoon. 158 00:09:01,207 --> 00:09:03,877 We walked through to the back garden, 159 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:08,014 and when I say garden, it was more a really large patio. 160 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:10,750 ** 161 00:09:10,784 --> 00:09:13,053 [ Upbeat music plays ] 162 00:09:13,086 --> 00:09:15,889 -* From the Cotswolds to the...* 163 00:09:15,922 --> 00:09:19,059 [ Singing indistinctly ] 164 00:09:19,092 --> 00:09:26,066 ** 165 00:09:26,099 --> 00:09:30,437 -I was the news editor of a local radio station... 166 00:09:30,470 --> 00:09:33,640 Severn Sound. 167 00:09:33,673 --> 00:09:36,676 It was a radio station that people were fond of 168 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:41,181 because they like to know what's going on locally. 169 00:09:41,214 --> 00:09:43,216 My relationship with the Gloucester police 170 00:09:43,249 --> 00:09:45,652 was probably one of the best in the country 171 00:09:45,685 --> 00:09:47,087 as a journalist. 172 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,824 I had the sort of contacts that people would die for. 173 00:09:50,857 --> 00:09:52,926 [ Pager beeping ] 174 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:55,095 I'd not long finished reading the news 175 00:09:55,128 --> 00:09:57,697 and my pager went off. 176 00:09:57,731 --> 00:10:00,266 It said, "Police are searching for 177 00:10:00,300 --> 00:10:03,103 a missing girl at Cromwell Street." 178 00:10:03,136 --> 00:10:09,809 ** 179 00:10:09,843 --> 00:10:14,214 I went straight down to see what was going on. 180 00:10:14,247 --> 00:10:16,950 I was skeptical about what they were gonna find there 181 00:10:16,983 --> 00:10:20,954 because it just seemed a happy place. 182 00:10:20,987 --> 00:10:22,822 I went to his next-door neighbor. 183 00:10:22,856 --> 00:10:24,691 "Well, come on in," he says. 184 00:10:24,724 --> 00:10:26,292 "Have a cup of tea." 185 00:10:26,326 --> 00:10:29,129 And I said to him, "They're looking for 186 00:10:29,162 --> 00:10:31,131 a young girl who's gone missing from next door. 187 00:10:31,164 --> 00:10:33,800 They think the person there may have done it." 188 00:10:33,833 --> 00:10:35,301 And that's when I first found out his name was Fred. 189 00:10:35,335 --> 00:10:37,837 He said, "Fred? No, he's a lovely man. 190 00:10:37,871 --> 00:10:40,974 Wouldn't harm a fly." 191 00:10:41,007 --> 00:10:43,977 -Fred was well-liked in Cromwell Street. 192 00:10:44,010 --> 00:10:45,845 A lot of people thought he was a good lad. 193 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:47,981 He was the odd-job man they would turn to 194 00:10:48,014 --> 00:10:49,949 if they needed something doing at home. 195 00:10:49,983 --> 00:10:51,084 -It's 8:00. 196 00:10:51,117 --> 00:10:52,519 Good morning, I'm Gordon... 197 00:10:52,552 --> 00:10:55,288 I went back and put a bulletin together. 198 00:10:55,321 --> 00:10:57,757 It was obviously the lead story... 199 00:10:57,791 --> 00:10:59,859 and as soon as that bulletin went out, 200 00:10:59,893 --> 00:11:01,528 the newsroom phone wouldn't stop ringing 201 00:11:01,561 --> 00:11:04,297 with the local paper saying, "How do you know this?" 202 00:11:04,330 --> 00:11:09,002 I had no idea this would become the biggest story of my career. 203 00:11:09,035 --> 00:11:12,138 [ Telephones ringing ] 204 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:18,745 ** 205 00:11:18,778 --> 00:11:20,146 -The general feeling was 206 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:21,748 if you're gonna bury a body there, 207 00:11:21,781 --> 00:11:24,751 it's more likely to be at the back of the garden 208 00:11:24,784 --> 00:11:26,019 than towards the house, 209 00:11:26,052 --> 00:11:28,755 so we started lifting slabs from the back. 210 00:11:28,788 --> 00:11:30,290 Rose was inside the house. 211 00:11:30,323 --> 00:11:34,194 She would come and go, watching what we were doing. 212 00:11:34,227 --> 00:11:36,896 Then by about 4:30, it got dark. 213 00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:40,200 A police guard was put on the premises, and we went home. 214 00:11:40,233 --> 00:11:46,206 ** 215 00:11:46,239 --> 00:11:50,410 -Fred West is about a dozen miles away working. 216 00:11:50,443 --> 00:11:53,346 He doesn't actually arrive back in Cromwell Street 217 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:54,948 until after 6:00, 218 00:11:54,981 --> 00:11:58,351 and then agrees to go to the police station. 219 00:11:58,385 --> 00:12:01,354 Police made Fred aware of the family joke 220 00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:03,356 about Heather being under the patio, 221 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:04,924 and he said, "That's nonsense. 222 00:12:04,958 --> 00:12:06,593 Surely, you don't believe that." 223 00:12:06,626 --> 00:12:09,062 All arrogance. 224 00:12:09,095 --> 00:12:11,431 -His answer was, "Well, she just cleared off." 225 00:12:11,464 --> 00:12:13,099 She'd gone to work in a holiday camp 226 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:14,334 in another part of the country. 227 00:12:14,367 --> 00:12:16,236 She didn't leave any forwarding address. 228 00:12:16,269 --> 00:12:19,939 That's the sort of child she was, he said. 229 00:12:19,973 --> 00:12:22,375 -Fred returns home to Cromwell Street. 230 00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:24,077 There's been no charge. 231 00:12:24,110 --> 00:12:26,212 They found nothing. 232 00:12:26,246 --> 00:12:28,248 ** 233 00:12:28,281 --> 00:12:32,819 [ Jackhammer whirring ] 234 00:12:32,852 --> 00:12:35,088 -When we returned the following morning, 235 00:12:35,121 --> 00:12:36,823 we carried on lifting up slabs 236 00:12:36,856 --> 00:12:38,958 and cutting through the concrete. 237 00:12:38,992 --> 00:12:41,361 Fred and Rose were both around. 238 00:12:41,394 --> 00:12:43,430 We could see them looking through the windows. 239 00:12:43,463 --> 00:12:47,100 They were extremely interested in what was going on. 240 00:12:47,133 --> 00:12:53,273 ** 241 00:12:53,306 --> 00:12:55,075 -My name is Steve Scott. 242 00:12:55,108 --> 00:12:56,976 My news editor and I agreed 243 00:12:57,010 --> 00:12:59,112 that it was a story that was worth investigating. 244 00:12:59,145 --> 00:13:01,414 You never know where it might end up, 245 00:13:01,448 --> 00:13:04,417 and boy, did we not know where it was gonna end up. 246 00:13:04,451 --> 00:13:07,854 ** 247 00:13:07,887 --> 00:13:09,289 Police began excavating here 248 00:13:09,322 --> 00:13:12,125 when information was passed to them by a teenage girl. 249 00:13:12,158 --> 00:13:15,195 She told them clues to the disappearance of Heather West 250 00:13:15,228 --> 00:13:17,297 were lying beneath the paving stones. 251 00:13:17,330 --> 00:13:18,998 -On that Friday, while we were digging, 252 00:13:19,032 --> 00:13:21,968 two detectives came down to the house, 253 00:13:22,002 --> 00:13:25,305 and a short while later, they left with Fred. 254 00:13:25,338 --> 00:13:29,442 We were then told that Fred had been arrested. 255 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:31,177 -Fred was a petty thief. 256 00:13:31,211 --> 00:13:34,881 Small-time informant, well-known to the police. 257 00:13:34,914 --> 00:13:36,683 Packs what he calls his prison kit, 258 00:13:36,716 --> 00:13:41,121 which includes a cigarette tin with roll-ups in it. 259 00:13:41,154 --> 00:13:48,194 ** 260 00:13:48,361 --> 00:13:50,497 -My name is Howard Ogden. 261 00:13:50,530 --> 00:13:53,333 I represent people who have been arrested 262 00:13:53,366 --> 00:13:55,168 and are in police custody. 263 00:13:55,201 --> 00:13:58,038 My office had been in touch and said, 264 00:13:58,071 --> 00:14:02,175 "Fred West has been arrested in connection with 265 00:14:02,208 --> 00:14:07,347 the suspected murder of Heather, his daughter." 266 00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:10,483 So I rang through to the custody suite, 267 00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:13,219 and Fred was put on the phone. 268 00:14:13,253 --> 00:14:16,189 And I gave him what would be the time-honored, 269 00:14:16,222 --> 00:14:19,259 traditional defense lawyer's advice -- 270 00:14:19,292 --> 00:14:21,961 to shut the fuck up until I get there. 271 00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:26,199 To which he replied, "Well, I've already admitted it." 272 00:14:26,232 --> 00:14:28,935 -I think when Fred was watching us, 273 00:14:28,968 --> 00:14:30,403 he realized that we weren't 274 00:14:30,437 --> 00:14:33,940 just gonna dig a hole here and there and then go away, 275 00:14:33,973 --> 00:14:36,376 so he admitted to killing his daughter. 276 00:14:36,409 --> 00:14:38,945 ** 277 00:14:38,978 --> 00:14:43,216 -Fred confessed that he killed Heather in a rage... 278 00:14:43,249 --> 00:14:45,985 and buried her in the back garden. 279 00:14:46,019 --> 00:14:49,222 ** 280 00:14:49,255 --> 00:14:53,026 -Everyone was absolutely amazed. 281 00:14:53,059 --> 00:14:56,096 -What kind of a father murders his daughter? 282 00:14:56,129 --> 00:14:58,064 That's just sick. 283 00:14:58,098 --> 00:14:59,566 -When Rose was told that Fred 284 00:14:59,599 --> 00:15:01,434 had confessed to killing Heather, 285 00:15:01,468 --> 00:15:04,971 she said Fred had told her that Heather had run away from home. 286 00:15:05,005 --> 00:15:07,507 She said, "If I get my hands on him, I'll kill him." 287 00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:14,547 ** 288 00:15:17,283 --> 00:15:18,485 ** 289 00:15:18,518 --> 00:15:21,254 -The police smuggled him into the garden 290 00:15:21,287 --> 00:15:24,424 disguised in a boiler suit 291 00:15:24,457 --> 00:15:26,526 to avoid the attentions of the press, 292 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:29,596 who by now had become aware that something was going on. 293 00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:31,564 ** 294 00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:35,268 -Fred arrives handcuffed to a police officer, 295 00:15:35,301 --> 00:15:38,271 and he says, "You're digging in the wrong place. 296 00:15:38,304 --> 00:15:41,274 You need to dig in this location." 297 00:15:41,307 --> 00:15:44,044 Fred was more relaxed than I would have expected. 298 00:15:44,077 --> 00:15:46,112 He didn't seem to be particularly worried, 299 00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:47,414 and he was quite happy to indicate 300 00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:49,416 where we would find the body of Heather. 301 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:52,519 ** 302 00:15:52,552 --> 00:15:55,522 We were expecting to just simply dig down there and find her, 303 00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:57,457 but we didn't find her. 304 00:15:57,490 --> 00:15:59,592 And it was very frustrating because we thought, 305 00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:01,628 "Well, is he telling the truth?" 306 00:16:01,661 --> 00:16:05,065 [ Siren wails in distance ] 307 00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:11,304 ** 308 00:16:11,338 --> 00:16:16,576 -By the middle of Saturday, Fred changes his story again. 309 00:16:16,609 --> 00:16:18,645 "No, no, I was lying. 310 00:16:18,678 --> 00:16:21,481 Heather's actually in Bahrain, 311 00:16:21,514 --> 00:16:23,616 and she's working for a drug dealer. 312 00:16:23,650 --> 00:16:26,219 And she has a Mercedes." 313 00:16:26,252 --> 00:16:28,588 It's a wonderful piece of fantasy, 314 00:16:28,621 --> 00:16:31,391 but nevertheless, he maintains it. 315 00:16:31,424 --> 00:16:34,494 And so he says, "No, nothing to do with me. 316 00:16:34,527 --> 00:16:35,695 I didn't do anything." 317 00:16:35,729 --> 00:16:43,036 ** 318 00:16:45,672 --> 00:16:48,508 -Whatever Fred was saying could not be relied upon. 319 00:16:48,541 --> 00:16:51,077 ** 320 00:16:51,111 --> 00:16:54,114 And so we had to find a body. 321 00:16:54,147 --> 00:16:56,082 We had eight members of the team lifting slabs 322 00:16:56,116 --> 00:16:59,419 and cutting down through the concrete in different places. 323 00:16:59,452 --> 00:17:01,354 The first thing you know about 324 00:17:01,388 --> 00:17:04,391 when you're getting close to a body is the smell -- 325 00:17:04,424 --> 00:17:07,660 a very, very strong, acrid smell 326 00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:10,697 that comes from the decomposing flesh. 327 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:13,366 Once you smelt it, you never forget it. 328 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,138 Finally, one of the team found a bone sticking out... 329 00:17:18,171 --> 00:17:21,207 right at the top of the soil, just underneath the slab. 330 00:17:21,241 --> 00:17:26,913 ** 331 00:17:26,946 --> 00:17:30,383 So at that point, they called in the home office pathologist, 332 00:17:30,417 --> 00:17:32,552 Bernard Knight, and he said, 333 00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:36,723 "Yes, that is definitely a human bone from a young female." 334 00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:41,561 ** 335 00:17:41,594 --> 00:17:44,531 The next thing we found was a human skull. 336 00:17:44,564 --> 00:17:49,402 We then found human leg bones... 337 00:17:49,436 --> 00:17:53,506 and the rest of the bones were scattered around in that area. 338 00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:56,309 It was clear that the body had been dismembered. 339 00:17:56,343 --> 00:17:59,746 The whole team were very shocked. 340 00:17:59,779 --> 00:18:03,149 -Police have found Heather's body... 341 00:18:03,183 --> 00:18:05,585 but there's an issue. 342 00:18:05,618 --> 00:18:08,488 -Professor Bernard Knight knew what he was talking about. 343 00:18:08,521 --> 00:18:10,457 He said, "We are either looking at 344 00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:12,559 the world's first three-legged woman, 345 00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:14,961 or there's another body around here somewhere." 346 00:18:14,994 --> 00:18:17,263 I thought we were looking for the body of one girl. 347 00:18:17,297 --> 00:18:21,968 I had no idea it was gonna turn into a mass-murder inquiry. 348 00:18:22,002 --> 00:18:27,474 ** 349 00:18:32,512 --> 00:18:34,948 ** 350 00:18:34,981 --> 00:18:36,516 --The remains taken away earlier 351 00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:38,618 are now being examined by a pathologist. 352 00:18:38,651 --> 00:18:40,620 Forces across the country have been alerted 353 00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:42,622 to check their missing-persons files, 354 00:18:42,655 --> 00:18:45,191 as detectives refuse to rule out the possibility 355 00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:46,659 of finding more bodies. 356 00:18:46,693 --> 00:18:53,867 ** 357 00:18:55,535 --> 00:19:01,508 -The initial interview with Fred will never be forgotten. 358 00:19:01,541 --> 00:19:03,677 You couldn't have made it up. 359 00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:10,717 ** 360 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,191 ** 361 00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:31,705 ** 362 00:19:31,738 --> 00:19:35,241 -There was West describing killing his daughter 363 00:19:35,275 --> 00:19:38,044 in the most matter-of-fact, banal way. 364 00:19:38,078 --> 00:19:39,946 "Oh, I think I might have used that knife from the -- 365 00:19:39,979 --> 00:19:41,281 I'm not sure I did. 366 00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:42,716 Anyway, what I did was I, 367 00:19:42,749 --> 00:19:49,923 you know, disarticulated her legs and cut off her head." 368 00:19:49,956 --> 00:19:54,027 Wasn't said with any...venom. 369 00:20:09,976 --> 00:20:15,448 -You immediately saw darkness in Fred because of his eyes. 370 00:20:15,482 --> 00:20:18,084 They were emotionless. 371 00:20:18,118 --> 00:20:22,722 The account that he gave that it was all okay, really, 372 00:20:22,756 --> 00:20:28,328 because he had closed her eyes, a nice, fatherly thing to do 373 00:20:28,361 --> 00:20:31,431 if you're going to murder your daughter. 374 00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:37,303 As a defense lawyer, you do your utmost not to be fazed, 375 00:20:37,337 --> 00:20:40,040 not to show it on your face, 376 00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:43,977 but nonetheless, it was utterly chilling. 377 00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:46,613 ** 378 00:20:46,646 --> 00:20:50,016 -I never thought that Fred was capable of anything 379 00:20:50,050 --> 00:20:52,419 as heinous as what he'd done with Heather. 380 00:20:52,452 --> 00:20:55,021 It hurts. 381 00:20:55,055 --> 00:20:57,457 ** 382 00:20:57,490 --> 00:21:00,026 -One of the most remarkable moments 383 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:03,730 is when he's told they found three thigh bones. 384 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:06,766 "Now, Heather didn't have three legs, did she, Fred? 385 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,601 Who's the other body?" 386 00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:10,770 -"Oh. Shirley." 387 00:21:10,804 --> 00:21:13,340 ** 388 00:21:13,373 --> 00:21:14,574 -"Shirley who?" 389 00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:16,343 -"Shirley Robinson," 390 00:21:16,376 --> 00:21:18,578 the one that caused all the trouble." 391 00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:25,618 ** 392 00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:32,625 ** 393 00:21:32,659 --> 00:21:34,160 -Shirley was a lodger in the house. 394 00:21:34,194 --> 00:21:36,162 She was in the room below myself. 395 00:21:36,196 --> 00:21:39,099 I think she was about 18, 19. 396 00:21:39,132 --> 00:21:41,501 She was a beautiful person. 397 00:21:41,534 --> 00:21:44,404 ** 398 00:21:44,437 --> 00:21:49,042 Had many a nights up giggling like two little schoolgirls, 399 00:21:49,075 --> 00:21:54,681 laughing about makeup, music, things that we liked. 400 00:21:54,714 --> 00:21:56,683 ** 401 00:21:56,716 --> 00:21:58,818 She was my best friend. 402 00:21:58,852 --> 00:22:04,524 ** 403 00:22:04,557 --> 00:22:07,827 -My friend's dad had two houses on Cromwell Street, 404 00:22:07,861 --> 00:22:09,662 so I practically grew up on Cromwell Street. 405 00:22:09,696 --> 00:22:11,531 I'd always be there. 406 00:22:11,564 --> 00:22:15,535 I met Shirley probably as soon as she came on the street. 407 00:22:15,568 --> 00:22:18,538 She was about three years older than me, 408 00:22:18,571 --> 00:22:20,140 and I just had a crush on her. 409 00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:21,841 She was lovely. 410 00:22:21,875 --> 00:22:24,444 I can remember asking friends on the street, 411 00:22:24,477 --> 00:22:25,845 "Have you seen Shirley lately?" 412 00:22:25,879 --> 00:22:27,180 And they said, "No. 413 00:22:27,213 --> 00:22:29,716 We just thought she'd moved on." 414 00:22:29,749 --> 00:22:33,687 -Shirley was in some ways Rose's double. 415 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,422 She was the same height, the same build. 416 00:22:35,455 --> 00:22:37,724 She had the same haircut. 417 00:22:37,757 --> 00:22:39,859 I'd been there about eight months, 418 00:22:39,893 --> 00:22:41,561 and one day, I said to Shirley, 419 00:22:41,594 --> 00:22:43,196 "Oh, put a bit of weight on there, girl." 420 00:22:43,229 --> 00:22:45,098 She said, "No, I'm actually pregnant." 421 00:22:45,131 --> 00:22:49,436 I went, "Okay," and it came about in a conversation that... 422 00:22:49,469 --> 00:22:52,739 the dad was Fred. 423 00:22:52,772 --> 00:22:56,142 -Fred's explanation for Shirley causing all the problems 424 00:22:56,176 --> 00:22:58,745 was that she'd fallen in love with him 425 00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:01,848 and had photographs of the two of them taken together. 426 00:23:01,881 --> 00:23:04,584 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 427 00:23:04,617 --> 00:23:09,489 And she thought she was gonna be the next Mrs. West, 428 00:23:09,522 --> 00:23:11,925 and, well, couldn't let that happen. 429 00:23:11,958 --> 00:23:14,761 "I'm devoted to Rose. I really am." 430 00:23:14,794 --> 00:23:18,198 And so she had to be terminated. 431 00:23:18,231 --> 00:23:24,871 ** 432 00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:27,607 -Every day, more details emerge about the bodies 433 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,277 found under the patio at number 25 Cromwell Street. 434 00:23:31,311 --> 00:23:33,279 This is the face of the second woman named, 435 00:23:33,313 --> 00:23:35,181 18-year-old Shirley Robinson, 436 00:23:35,215 --> 00:23:38,952 a lodger at the house and heavily pregnant. 437 00:23:38,985 --> 00:23:41,187 -When I heard they'd found Shirley, as well, 438 00:23:41,221 --> 00:23:42,956 I was absolutely devastated. 439 00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:45,625 It was like being hit by a bus. 440 00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:47,794 ** 441 00:23:47,827 --> 00:23:50,196 -When we found Shirley's body, 442 00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:54,300 we found the remains of the unborn child, as well. 443 00:23:54,334 --> 00:23:59,239 ** 444 00:23:59,272 --> 00:24:00,640 The baby had been removed 445 00:24:00,674 --> 00:24:02,742 and dismembered prior to being buried. 446 00:24:02,776 --> 00:24:05,178 ** 447 00:24:05,211 --> 00:24:07,514 I remember one of my colleagues made the comment, 448 00:24:07,547 --> 00:24:08,982 "What a bastard he must be," 449 00:24:09,015 --> 00:24:11,518 because that took it to a different level of depravity 450 00:24:11,551 --> 00:24:13,219 to do something like that, 451 00:24:13,253 --> 00:24:15,722 especially when this is your own child. 452 00:24:15,755 --> 00:24:18,958 ** 453 00:24:18,992 --> 00:24:21,928 -Rose was separated from Fred, of course, by this point, 454 00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:26,232 and she'd been interviewed repeatedly. 455 00:24:26,266 --> 00:24:30,203 When Rose was questioned about Shirley Robinson, 456 00:24:30,236 --> 00:24:33,573 she said she didn't know anything about her. 457 00:24:33,606 --> 00:24:35,575 Cromwell Street had a lot of lodgers, 458 00:24:35,608 --> 00:24:37,811 and Rose's persistence was always that, 459 00:24:37,844 --> 00:24:39,245 "Well, there were so many people coming and going, 460 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:41,247 I didn't know who they all were." 461 00:24:41,281 --> 00:24:43,249 ** 462 00:24:43,283 --> 00:24:45,852 Fred continued to be interviewed. 463 00:24:45,885 --> 00:24:47,854 And then he says, "Well, there's, um, 464 00:24:47,887 --> 00:24:51,858 there's a -- there's a third body in the garden." 465 00:24:51,891 --> 00:24:53,693 Shirley's mate. 466 00:24:53,727 --> 00:24:56,563 ** 467 00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:58,298 -Fred would describe her 468 00:24:58,331 --> 00:25:01,868 as a friend of Shirley who came looking for her. 469 00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:03,069 -I was gobsmacked. 470 00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:05,238 The bodies just kept on coming. 471 00:25:05,271 --> 00:25:08,308 First, there was two, then there were three. 472 00:25:08,341 --> 00:25:11,244 We just kept thinking, "When will this ever stop?" 473 00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:14,581 ** 474 00:25:14,614 --> 00:25:18,585 -The moment we discovered that it wasn't just Heather West 475 00:25:18,618 --> 00:25:20,253 that was buried under that patio, 476 00:25:20,286 --> 00:25:23,890 the world's media descended on Cromwell Street, 477 00:25:23,923 --> 00:25:27,260 hundreds and hundreds of them, and I'm not exaggerating. 478 00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:31,031 [ Camera shutters clicking ] 479 00:25:31,064 --> 00:25:36,870 The tabloid press in the UK in the '90s were all very powerful. 480 00:25:36,903 --> 00:25:39,072 There was this cutthroat atmosphere 481 00:25:39,105 --> 00:25:40,874 that operated between them. 482 00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:43,410 They would be out to get the biggest story, 483 00:25:43,443 --> 00:25:44,744 the biggest front page. 484 00:25:44,778 --> 00:25:47,614 They would do anything to make sure 485 00:25:47,647 --> 00:25:50,750 that their paper sold more than the others. 486 00:25:50,784 --> 00:25:53,920 The competition involved great journalism, 487 00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:58,291 but sometimes, it involved money. 488 00:25:58,324 --> 00:26:01,661 -Anyone who had any connection with the Wests 489 00:26:01,695 --> 00:26:03,797 instantly became fodder for the tabloid press. 490 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:06,933 "We will bid more for your story if you'd only tell us, 491 00:26:06,966 --> 00:26:09,436 or we'll pay you more than they'll pay you." 492 00:26:09,469 --> 00:26:12,305 It became a feeding frenzy. 493 00:26:12,339 --> 00:26:15,642 -You could quite easily make £10,000. 494 00:26:15,675 --> 00:26:17,110 Whether it was true or not, 495 00:26:17,143 --> 00:26:19,913 it doesn't really matter if you're a tabloid newspaper. 496 00:26:19,946 --> 00:26:23,016 It was more about sensationalizing a story. 497 00:26:23,049 --> 00:26:26,453 The eyes of the world were on Gloucester. 498 00:26:26,486 --> 00:26:32,125 ** 499 00:26:32,158 --> 00:26:37,063 -This was a huge case for a small police force. 500 00:26:37,097 --> 00:26:40,133 What was the truth, and what was a story? 501 00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:42,969 The police were trying to slow down the investigation 502 00:26:43,003 --> 00:26:45,972 because their instinct was, "This is going too quickly. 503 00:26:46,006 --> 00:26:47,807 We're gonna miss something. We've got to be careful. 504 00:26:47,841 --> 00:26:49,976 We've got to get this right." 505 00:26:50,010 --> 00:26:57,017 ** 506 00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:02,489 -My name is Paul Britton. 507 00:27:02,522 --> 00:27:05,392 In 1994, I was the head of 508 00:27:05,425 --> 00:27:08,695 the Regional Forensic Psychology Service. 509 00:27:08,728 --> 00:27:10,864 Gloucestershire Police wanted my help 510 00:27:10,897 --> 00:27:12,899 to make sense of what had happened, 511 00:27:12,932 --> 00:27:15,902 and in particular, to help them to talk to, 512 00:27:15,935 --> 00:27:18,705 to unravel, Mr. Fred West. 513 00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:21,508 They had a man who was affable, friendly, 514 00:27:21,541 --> 00:27:23,510 who liked being with them, 515 00:27:23,543 --> 00:27:28,014 and that did not sit easily with the remains of three young women 516 00:27:28,048 --> 00:27:30,850 that had been dismembered and decapitated. 517 00:27:30,884 --> 00:27:35,722 ** 518 00:27:35,755 --> 00:27:38,858 I was able to build a clearer picture of Fred 519 00:27:38,892 --> 00:27:41,127 from his background. 520 00:27:41,161 --> 00:27:44,030 If I'm psychologically profiling someone, 521 00:27:44,064 --> 00:27:46,766 I have a number of questions that are key. 522 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,201 The first question, "Who are you?" 523 00:27:48,234 --> 00:27:52,205 is usually the one that the police are interested in. 524 00:27:52,238 --> 00:27:56,042 The second one, "How did you come to be there?" 525 00:27:56,076 --> 00:28:00,146 helps me to give the police a strategy 526 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:03,416 of how this person functions and operates. 527 00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:10,457 ** 528 00:28:13,293 --> 00:28:15,495 ** 529 00:28:15,528 --> 00:28:19,165 -Fred was born in 1941. 530 00:28:19,199 --> 00:28:22,802 His father was a farm laborer, 531 00:28:22,836 --> 00:28:26,539 and his mother had been a live-in maid. 532 00:28:26,573 --> 00:28:29,809 His father got up early to milk the cows, 4:30. 533 00:28:29,843 --> 00:28:35,448 It was a house used to hard work, manual labor. 534 00:28:35,482 --> 00:28:39,219 They were very much living in the past. 535 00:28:39,252 --> 00:28:41,454 ** 536 00:28:41,488 --> 00:28:44,057 -Frederick West in his early days 537 00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:46,192 was exposed to several factors 538 00:28:46,226 --> 00:28:49,496 which would definitely feed into his later choices. 539 00:28:49,529 --> 00:28:51,931 He watched his mother, for example, 540 00:28:51,965 --> 00:28:54,801 slaughtering farmyard animals. 541 00:28:54,834 --> 00:28:59,105 He knew that his father had a disregard for women in general. 542 00:28:59,139 --> 00:29:02,609 They were there to be used as needed. 543 00:29:02,642 --> 00:29:05,512 West was introduced to sex at a very early age. 544 00:29:05,545 --> 00:29:07,247 It was almost a rite of passage. 545 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,949 Fred said he was taken to bed by his mother 546 00:29:09,983 --> 00:29:12,252 pretty much as soon as he'd reached puberty. 547 00:29:12,285 --> 00:29:14,220 ** 548 00:29:14,254 --> 00:29:18,224 That's very hard to imagine in the modern world. 549 00:29:18,258 --> 00:29:21,261 It instilled in him the sense that a mother 550 00:29:21,294 --> 00:29:23,196 was entitled to break in her children, 551 00:29:23,229 --> 00:29:24,831 and a father was equally entitled 552 00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:26,966 to break in his daughters. 553 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:34,007 ** 554 00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:38,845 ** 555 00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:41,147 -The police wanted to get as much information 556 00:29:41,181 --> 00:29:44,284 while Fred was talking as they possibly could 557 00:29:44,317 --> 00:29:46,986 because they didn't know when he would stop. 558 00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:50,590 ** 559 00:29:50,623 --> 00:29:54,027 -Fred had to be guarded 24/7. 560 00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:55,995 Sooner or later, my number came up, 561 00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:58,998 and I was asked to go in for eight hours. 562 00:29:59,032 --> 00:30:01,167 It was quite a surreal experience. 563 00:30:01,201 --> 00:30:04,571 We watched "The Dam Busters" and "The Great Escape." 564 00:30:04,604 --> 00:30:06,873 He was getting really worked up whether Steve McQueen 565 00:30:06,906 --> 00:30:09,676 would actually jump the fence on his motorbike. 566 00:30:09,709 --> 00:30:11,277 At times, I had to pinch myself. 567 00:30:11,311 --> 00:30:14,948 On the one hand, he's a sadistic murderer. 568 00:30:14,981 --> 00:30:16,583 On the other hand, 569 00:30:16,616 --> 00:30:18,885 he's a chappie who can sit with me for eight hours 570 00:30:18,918 --> 00:30:22,022 playing dominoes and enjoying watching films. 571 00:30:22,055 --> 00:30:25,925 ** 572 00:30:25,959 --> 00:30:31,097 -Fred could entice you into this spell that he wove. 573 00:30:31,131 --> 00:30:33,033 If you look at any pictures of West 574 00:30:33,066 --> 00:30:35,602 with a prison officer or a policeman, 575 00:30:35,635 --> 00:30:37,337 they're often laughing. 576 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:41,608 -I had to remind the police that this man is a psychopath. 577 00:30:41,641 --> 00:30:46,346 This is a man for whom other people don't exist 578 00:30:46,379 --> 00:30:48,081 in the real world. 579 00:30:48,114 --> 00:30:50,383 They don't have feelings. 580 00:30:50,417 --> 00:30:52,719 They don't have rights. 581 00:30:52,752 --> 00:30:55,055 And then, the question was asked of me, 582 00:30:55,088 --> 00:30:57,924 "Well, why are these girls buried in the garden?" 583 00:30:57,957 --> 00:30:59,392 And my answer is, sadly, 584 00:30:59,426 --> 00:31:03,029 because the house was already full of other bodies. 585 00:31:03,063 --> 00:31:07,067 ** 586 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:10,637 -And tonight, a chilling prediction from the man 587 00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:12,405 leading the investigation. 588 00:31:12,439 --> 00:31:14,641 -I have reason to believe 589 00:31:14,674 --> 00:31:18,611 that there may be other remains in the area, 590 00:31:18,645 --> 00:31:20,647 but I am not in this position at this time 591 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,083 to explain that further. 592 00:31:23,116 --> 00:31:30,123 ** 593 00:31:30,657 --> 00:31:34,694 -Is it possible there were more victims? 594 00:31:34,728 --> 00:31:36,963 Inevitably... 595 00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:39,466 their attention turned to the cellar of Cromwell Street. 596 00:31:39,499 --> 00:31:46,639 ** 597 00:31:49,142 --> 00:31:51,711 -One night, I remember Fred said, 598 00:31:51,745 --> 00:31:54,681 "Hey, come and have a look at what I've done." 599 00:31:54,714 --> 00:31:57,150 So off I went down the steps 600 00:31:57,183 --> 00:32:00,253 into this very dark, dank cellar. 601 00:32:00,286 --> 00:32:03,156 It straightaway put my hackles up. 602 00:32:03,189 --> 00:32:05,125 It seemed to stretch the whole of the house 603 00:32:05,158 --> 00:32:07,394 and half the width of the house. 604 00:32:07,427 --> 00:32:10,697 Fred said, "I've decorated the cellar for the children." 605 00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:12,298 He'd painted it. 606 00:32:12,332 --> 00:32:16,236 He'd done graffiti of cowboys and hearts on the walls. 607 00:32:16,269 --> 00:32:19,806 There were some toys in the corner, and it smelled. 608 00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:21,307 It was damp. It was dark. 609 00:32:21,341 --> 00:32:23,143 It was miserable. 610 00:32:23,176 --> 00:32:25,011 ** 611 00:32:25,045 --> 00:32:27,247 And I went, "Lovely. 612 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,449 I really need to go up now because I'm claustrophobic." 613 00:32:29,482 --> 00:32:32,318 And that was my tour of the cellar 614 00:32:32,352 --> 00:32:36,022 that absolutely freaked me out. 615 00:32:36,056 --> 00:32:41,327 ** 616 00:32:41,361 --> 00:32:43,163 -Fred was not stupid. 617 00:32:43,196 --> 00:32:46,332 He knew that the game was up, 618 00:32:46,366 --> 00:32:50,737 and it's important that if you are accepting of the situation, 619 00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:56,476 that you make sure that those investigating are aware. 620 00:32:56,509 --> 00:33:03,516 ** 621 00:33:06,219 --> 00:33:09,489 "I, Frederick West... 622 00:33:09,522 --> 00:33:13,493 authorize my solicitor, Howard Ogden, 623 00:33:13,526 --> 00:33:20,066 to advise Superintendent Bennett that I wish to admit 624 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:25,071 to a further approx nine killings. 625 00:33:25,105 --> 00:33:31,244 ** 626 00:33:34,481 --> 00:33:38,485 ** 627 00:33:38,518 --> 00:33:41,554 -When the Sunday Mirror newspaper broke the story 628 00:33:41,588 --> 00:33:44,324 of the number of victims buried inside Cromwell Street, 629 00:33:44,357 --> 00:33:47,160 they coined the phrase "House of Horrors." 630 00:33:47,193 --> 00:33:49,129 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 631 00:33:49,162 --> 00:33:50,897 It was a perfect phrase. 632 00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:53,166 It draws you into the story, 633 00:33:53,199 --> 00:33:55,168 and as a result, 25 Cromwell Street 634 00:33:55,201 --> 00:33:58,338 became known as the House of Horrors all over the world. 635 00:33:58,371 --> 00:34:01,141 ** 636 00:34:01,174 --> 00:34:03,543 -The feeling in Gloucester was red-hot. 637 00:34:03,576 --> 00:34:07,313 Everyone was talking about it -- in the pubs, 638 00:34:07,347 --> 00:34:09,349 in the shops, everywhere. 639 00:34:09,382 --> 00:34:10,884 -It's just thoroughly disgusting. 640 00:34:10,917 --> 00:34:12,352 I mean, it's horrifying to think. 641 00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:13,586 -Totally shocking, 642 00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:15,321 especially around, you know, in Gloucester. 643 00:34:15,355 --> 00:34:17,457 I mean, you wouldn't expect this to happen. 644 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:19,626 -The staff on the local newspaper 645 00:34:19,659 --> 00:34:24,264 are trying to convey the mood of a community in disbelief. 646 00:34:24,297 --> 00:34:25,665 -It was a shocker for the police, 647 00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:28,234 and it was a shocker for everyone else on the story. 648 00:34:28,268 --> 00:34:30,303 It was a complete revelation. 649 00:34:30,337 --> 00:34:32,472 -Who are these girls that he's killed? 650 00:34:32,505 --> 00:34:34,908 How did they come to Cromwell Street? 651 00:34:34,941 --> 00:34:37,310 Did they go there voluntarily? 652 00:34:37,344 --> 00:34:39,346 There were so many questions that were flashing 653 00:34:39,379 --> 00:34:42,349 through your mind about what he was admitting. 654 00:34:42,382 --> 00:34:45,218 You just didn't know where to start, almost. 655 00:34:45,251 --> 00:34:52,258 ** 656 00:34:53,993 --> 00:34:57,964 -He went into a sort of trance, as if he was at a seance. 657 00:34:57,997 --> 00:35:00,266 He wasn't connecting with the world anymore. 658 00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:03,436 He was in his own bizarre universe, 659 00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:06,539 and he would describe, "Oh, that's the Worcester girl," 660 00:35:06,573 --> 00:35:08,274 or, "That's the Dutch girl." 661 00:35:08,308 --> 00:35:14,214 -He said that the girls were entering into his soul. 662 00:35:14,247 --> 00:35:18,551 In Fred's sick mind, he was concerned 663 00:35:18,585 --> 00:35:23,356 that they shouldn't flee because they were about to be revealed, 664 00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:28,395 but Fred was specific and accurate 665 00:35:28,428 --> 00:35:33,333 as to where the police should dig. 666 00:35:33,366 --> 00:35:36,403 -The people who were there that day with him 667 00:35:36,436 --> 00:35:39,939 found it very creepy, indeed, very eerie. 668 00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:43,777 He was describing women who he'd killed and buried 669 00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:46,279 in the cellar of his own house. 670 00:35:46,312 --> 00:35:51,217 -This is where these young girls were destroyed. 671 00:35:51,251 --> 00:35:54,721 West is able to re-experience it. 672 00:35:54,754 --> 00:35:57,724 People with him will not understand 673 00:35:57,757 --> 00:35:59,592 what it is that's happening. 674 00:35:59,626 --> 00:36:03,430 There will be all sorts of mystical interpretation, 675 00:36:03,463 --> 00:36:05,465 but it's not that at all. 676 00:36:05,498 --> 00:36:11,404 It's simply the wild animal re-experiencing its kill. 677 00:36:11,438 --> 00:36:18,445 ** 678 00:36:21,448 --> 00:36:25,452 ** 679 00:36:25,485 --> 00:36:27,454 -Human remains found in the cellar 680 00:36:27,487 --> 00:36:29,622 are carried away for forensic examination, 681 00:36:29,656 --> 00:36:32,459 in what many detectives believe will turn into Britain's 682 00:36:32,492 --> 00:36:35,328 biggest-ever mass-murder investigation. 683 00:36:35,362 --> 00:36:37,464 ** 684 00:36:37,497 --> 00:36:41,634 -When I was told what had happened to some of the victims, 685 00:36:41,668 --> 00:36:43,803 it made me sick to the stomach. 686 00:36:43,837 --> 00:36:46,339 -When the bodies were found in the basement, 687 00:36:46,373 --> 00:36:48,408 they had all been dismembered. 688 00:36:48,441 --> 00:36:49,776 There were nooses. 689 00:36:49,809 --> 00:36:53,646 One skull had been wrapped in thick duct tape. 690 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,349 Obviously, these girls had been tortured. 691 00:36:56,383 --> 00:37:00,320 ** 692 00:37:00,353 --> 00:37:02,389 In the basement, there were low beams, 693 00:37:02,422 --> 00:37:06,292 and in two of these beams, some holes that had been drilled 694 00:37:06,326 --> 00:37:08,561 about two, three inches in diameter. 695 00:37:08,595 --> 00:37:11,664 Fred said that he'd put a pole through these holes, 696 00:37:11,698 --> 00:37:15,835 and with one of the victims, he had hung her upside down 697 00:37:15,869 --> 00:37:19,105 with her ankles tied to the pole. 698 00:37:19,139 --> 00:37:23,777 -Initially, bondage and the restraining of the victim 699 00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:26,680 is something that had a functional value. 700 00:37:26,713 --> 00:37:30,684 If the girl is tied, bound, incapacitated, 701 00:37:30,717 --> 00:37:33,586 then you can do what you want to her. 702 00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:38,725 Later, it became something that was important in itself. 703 00:37:38,758 --> 00:37:42,696 The seeing of the young woman's fear 704 00:37:42,729 --> 00:37:46,066 becomes more valuable for Fred West 705 00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:48,702 than the sexual return itself. 706 00:37:48,735 --> 00:37:53,707 You're looking at a profound, sexually sadistic killer. 707 00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:56,543 -Various bones were missing. 708 00:37:56,576 --> 00:37:59,412 It's entirely possible that Fred removed the kneecaps 709 00:37:59,446 --> 00:38:01,414 to prevent the girls moving. 710 00:38:01,448 --> 00:38:03,616 They weren't capable of walking. 711 00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:07,554 He removed the fingers and toes as trophies, 712 00:38:07,587 --> 00:38:12,726 so you have the dreadful task of assembling the bodies 713 00:38:12,759 --> 00:38:15,862 of these young women, who were all naked. 714 00:38:15,895 --> 00:38:17,163 All had been abused. 715 00:38:17,197 --> 00:38:20,133 All had been mutilated and dismembered, 716 00:38:20,166 --> 00:38:22,469 and all of whom had been buried... 717 00:38:22,502 --> 00:38:25,739 in what was supposed to be a children's playroom. 718 00:38:25,772 --> 00:38:28,908 -This was a real modern-day horror story. 719 00:38:28,942 --> 00:38:31,911 It was if you're gonna keep finding bodies 720 00:38:31,945 --> 00:38:33,413 and it's never gonna stop. 721 00:38:33,446 --> 00:38:35,582 It just seemed to get worse and worse. 722 00:38:35,615 --> 00:38:40,453 ** 723 00:38:40,487 --> 00:38:42,589 -How could it be possible 724 00:38:42,622 --> 00:38:46,459 that these things were happening in this cramped, 725 00:38:46,493 --> 00:38:48,928 little semi-detached house in Gloucester, 726 00:38:48,962 --> 00:38:52,866 without Rose knowing what was going on in the house? 727 00:38:52,899 --> 00:38:59,906 ** 728 00:39:02,909 --> 00:39:06,780 ** 729 00:39:06,813 --> 00:39:10,650 Rose is truculent, belligerent. 730 00:39:10,684 --> 00:39:12,619 She says, "Oh, Fred does what he wants. 731 00:39:12,652 --> 00:39:14,487 I knew nothing about it. I'm always busy. 732 00:39:14,521 --> 00:39:15,955 I was pregnant all the time." 733 00:39:15,989 --> 00:39:17,791 -She was quite in control of herself, 734 00:39:17,824 --> 00:39:19,492 quite sure of herself, 735 00:39:19,526 --> 00:39:20,927 and at times, quite verbally aggressive 736 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,195 in answering questions. 737 00:39:22,228 --> 00:39:24,764 In fact, a few times, she actually swore. 738 00:39:24,798 --> 00:39:27,500 -The police decided that they would put 739 00:39:27,534 --> 00:39:31,171 she and Stephen and Mae, her eldest surviving children, 740 00:39:31,204 --> 00:39:32,772 in a safe house, where she would remain 741 00:39:32,806 --> 00:39:35,642 while Fred was continued to be interviewed, 742 00:39:35,675 --> 00:39:38,178 and they would bug the safe house 743 00:39:38,211 --> 00:39:40,246 to see if she would admit anything. 744 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,849 ** 745 00:39:54,561 --> 00:39:57,263 -They had many, many hours of taped conversations, 746 00:39:57,297 --> 00:39:59,199 but there was nothing that they could use. 747 00:39:59,232 --> 00:40:03,236 -Apart from swearing profusely almost all the time, 748 00:40:03,269 --> 00:40:06,039 Rose did not admit one single thing 749 00:40:06,072 --> 00:40:08,675 in her period in the safe house. 750 00:40:08,708 --> 00:40:12,245 -Police in Gloucester searching 25 Cromwell Street 751 00:40:12,278 --> 00:40:16,983 last night discovered yet a further set of human remains. 752 00:40:17,017 --> 00:40:21,955 They were found in the bathroom area on the ground floor. 753 00:40:21,988 --> 00:40:23,523 -The police have now established 754 00:40:23,556 --> 00:40:25,225 there are nine victims in Cromwell Street, 755 00:40:25,258 --> 00:40:28,995 but Fred had confessed to a further three victims. 756 00:40:29,029 --> 00:40:30,864 Where were they? 757 00:40:38,171 --> 00:40:39,039 -Detectives are now liaising with colleagues 758 00:40:40,540 --> 00:40:41,708 in the north and in Scotland, 759 00:40:41,741 --> 00:40:43,510 trying to trace Catherine Costello, 760 00:40:43,543 --> 00:40:44,944 Mr. West's first wife. 761 00:40:44,978 --> 00:40:47,747 Relatives haven't seen her for 20 years. 762 00:40:47,781 --> 00:40:54,788 ** 763 00:40:56,589 --> 00:40:58,792 -Before Fred met Rose, 764 00:40:58,825 --> 00:41:01,795 he was living with his first wife, Rena Costello, 765 00:41:01,828 --> 00:41:04,998 and their two children, Charmaine and Anna Marie, 766 00:41:05,031 --> 00:41:07,734 and a young woman from Scotland called Anne McFall, 767 00:41:07,767 --> 00:41:12,072 who came to babysit the children. 768 00:41:12,105 --> 00:41:15,642 -Fred confessed to killing both Rena and Anne McFall 769 00:41:15,675 --> 00:41:17,977 and said he'd buried them in fields near the village 770 00:41:18,011 --> 00:41:22,816 where he was born and raised in Much Marcle. 771 00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:26,886 -Fred claims Charmaine is in the back of the car asleep 772 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,122 when he kills her mother, Rena. 773 00:41:29,155 --> 00:41:31,558 He doesn't know what to do with this 8-year-old child, 774 00:41:31,591 --> 00:41:32,859 and so he takes her back 775 00:41:32,892 --> 00:41:34,994 to where they were then living in Gloucester 776 00:41:35,028 --> 00:41:37,364 and kills her and buries her. 777 00:41:37,397 --> 00:41:40,567 ** 778 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,169 -At Midland Road, they found the body of Charmaine West, 779 00:41:43,203 --> 00:41:46,139 a daughter by Mr. West's first marriage. 780 00:41:46,172 --> 00:41:48,575 ** 781 00:41:48,608 --> 00:41:50,010 -Earlier today, the search switched 782 00:41:50,043 --> 00:41:51,578 from inner-city Gloucester 783 00:41:51,611 --> 00:41:54,714 to open fields near the village of Much Marcle. 784 00:41:54,748 --> 00:42:01,755 ** 785 00:42:04,758 --> 00:42:06,726 ** 786 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,396 -This was very early in the morning 787 00:42:09,429 --> 00:42:13,600 in one of the most beautiful places you can imagine, 788 00:42:13,633 --> 00:42:16,603 with a church bell ringing, 789 00:42:16,636 --> 00:42:20,173 with the daffodils just coming out. 790 00:42:20,206 --> 00:42:25,612 Yet there we were with Fred and a whole load of officers 791 00:42:25,645 --> 00:42:29,749 whose duty was gonna be to dig. 792 00:42:29,783 --> 00:42:36,056 -Fred pointed out where he thought he'd buried Rena at... 793 00:42:36,089 --> 00:42:38,725 But of course, the landscape had changed dramatically 794 00:42:38,758 --> 00:42:40,894 in the intervening 20 years. 795 00:42:40,927 --> 00:42:43,196 ** 796 00:42:43,229 --> 00:42:47,033 It took them 12 days to find Rena West's remains. 797 00:42:47,067 --> 00:42:51,137 It took them 55 days to find the remains of Anne McFall, 798 00:42:51,171 --> 00:42:53,206 and by the time they'd finished, 799 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,778 they dug out roughly the size of an Olympic swimming pool. 800 00:42:58,812 --> 00:43:02,048 -Yesterday evening, they uncovered body number 12. 801 00:43:02,082 --> 00:43:04,184 Detectives won't comment on speculation 802 00:43:04,217 --> 00:43:07,854 they belong to Anne McFall, once Frederick West's nanny. 803 00:43:07,887 --> 00:43:09,789 ** 804 00:43:09,823 --> 00:43:11,958 The home office pathologist, Professor Bernard Knight, 805 00:43:11,991 --> 00:43:14,461 will again visit Cromwell Street this afternoon, 806 00:43:14,494 --> 00:43:16,930 when he'll examine the last set of remains 807 00:43:16,963 --> 00:43:19,099 where they were discovered. 808 00:43:19,132 --> 00:43:26,139 ** 809 00:43:27,273 --> 00:43:31,244 -Because West had given very little detail 810 00:43:31,277 --> 00:43:33,847 about who these girls were, 811 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,819 it was a very complex task trying to identify them. 812 00:43:39,853 --> 00:43:41,821 They, of course, inquired of others' forces 813 00:43:41,855 --> 00:43:43,490 about missing persons. 814 00:43:43,523 --> 00:43:45,959 They inquired of Interpol, at one point, 815 00:43:45,992 --> 00:43:49,829 because Fred identified one of the victims as "the Dutch girl." 816 00:43:49,863 --> 00:43:53,233 There was literally a flood of information. 817 00:43:53,266 --> 00:43:57,837 -The inquiry was receiving calls from all over the country, 818 00:43:57,871 --> 00:43:59,139 so there was a huge amount of work 819 00:43:59,172 --> 00:44:02,142 with all these names coming up. 820 00:44:02,175 --> 00:44:05,278 -One of the people that the police turned to 821 00:44:05,311 --> 00:44:10,316 was Dr. David Whittaker, a forensic expert on dentistry, 822 00:44:10,350 --> 00:44:12,852 and that became very significant. 823 00:44:12,886 --> 00:44:14,988 ** 824 00:44:15,021 --> 00:44:17,991 -Dr. Whittaker had devised and perfected a process 825 00:44:18,024 --> 00:44:21,995 whereby if he had a skull with teeth 826 00:44:22,028 --> 00:44:24,864 and a photograph of the victim, 827 00:44:24,898 --> 00:44:29,369 then by superimposing the photograph on the skull, 828 00:44:29,402 --> 00:44:35,542 he could confirm their identity, and also, he was able to tell 829 00:44:35,575 --> 00:44:41,014 how old they were within a month or so when they had died. 830 00:44:41,047 --> 00:44:44,951 -The police have got literally a mountain of remains, 831 00:44:44,984 --> 00:44:46,920 and they've got photographs of missing girls 832 00:44:46,953 --> 00:44:49,022 and they've got skulls. 833 00:44:49,055 --> 00:44:52,559 -Identifying these victims took thousands of police hours. 834 00:44:52,592 --> 00:44:59,566 ** 835 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,368 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 836 00:45:01,401 --> 00:45:04,204 -The first victim to be identified was Lucy Partington, 837 00:45:04,237 --> 00:45:08,908 a student who had gone missing in 1973, just after Christmas. 838 00:45:08,942 --> 00:45:13,346 -Over 100 police searched the local parks and grounds. 839 00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:15,782 There was a big poster campaign, 840 00:45:15,815 --> 00:45:17,584 a big campaign through the media, 841 00:45:17,617 --> 00:45:19,919 but that came to nothing. 842 00:45:19,953 --> 00:45:22,155 ** 843 00:45:22,188 --> 00:45:28,395 -It's 20 years now, and clearly, if the last chapter 844 00:45:28,428 --> 00:45:31,164 could be written, as it were, 845 00:45:31,197 --> 00:45:36,236 it'd be slightly less of a burden to have on our minds. 846 00:45:36,269 --> 00:45:43,276 ** 847 00:45:45,979 --> 00:45:49,983 -Fred confessed that he'd picked her up at a bus stop 848 00:45:50,016 --> 00:45:51,618 the day after Boxing Day. 849 00:45:51,651 --> 00:45:56,623 ** 850 00:45:56,656 --> 00:45:58,091 -It was a bitterly cold night. 851 00:45:58,124 --> 00:46:00,126 She was waiting for a bus. 852 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,096 As it turned out, the bus was 10 minutes late, 853 00:46:03,129 --> 00:46:08,835 and she was given a lift, she thought, home. 854 00:46:08,868 --> 00:46:13,106 -Fred was convinced he was a lothario, and he would brag. 855 00:46:13,139 --> 00:46:16,409 He claimed that they'd had a rampant two-month affair. 856 00:46:16,443 --> 00:46:18,144 His explanation to the police 857 00:46:18,178 --> 00:46:22,282 was that he didn't want Rose to find out about it, 858 00:46:22,315 --> 00:46:26,252 and so he killed her and buried her in Cromwell Street. 859 00:46:26,286 --> 00:46:33,293 ** 860 00:46:36,262 --> 00:46:37,897 ** 861 00:46:37,931 --> 00:46:41,167 During the investigation, the police discovered 862 00:46:41,201 --> 00:46:45,005 that West had gone to A&E in Gloucester 863 00:46:45,038 --> 00:46:49,342 about a week after Lucy Partington had disappeared. 864 00:46:49,376 --> 00:46:54,014 He had a severe cut in his hand. 865 00:46:54,047 --> 00:46:57,017 Now, I'm not in any doubt that that cut was a result of him 866 00:46:57,050 --> 00:47:00,153 dismembering Lucy Partington's body. 867 00:47:00,186 --> 00:47:02,889 He must have kept Lucy Partington alive 868 00:47:02,922 --> 00:47:05,892 for some time in the cellar at Cromwell Street, 869 00:47:05,925 --> 00:47:07,894 probably immobile. 870 00:47:07,927 --> 00:47:11,164 May well been bound, may well have been gagged. 871 00:47:11,197 --> 00:47:15,301 It's almost too awful to contemplate 872 00:47:15,335 --> 00:47:16,469 what must have happened. 873 00:47:16,503 --> 00:47:20,206 It is...horrifying beyond words. 874 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:27,247 ** 875 00:47:30,216 --> 00:47:32,919 ** 876 00:47:32,952 --> 00:47:36,022 -Carol Ann Cooper, picked up on the side of the road, 877 00:47:36,056 --> 00:47:39,192 killed in Cromwell Street. 878 00:47:39,225 --> 00:47:42,562 Therese Siegenthaler was hitchhiking across Europe. 879 00:47:42,595 --> 00:47:44,197 Fred called her "the Dutch girl." 880 00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:47,734 In fact, she came from Switzerland. 881 00:47:47,767 --> 00:47:50,370 Shirley Hubbard was the youngest at 15, 882 00:47:50,403 --> 00:47:55,241 disappeared from a bus stop in Worcester. 883 00:47:55,275 --> 00:48:00,113 -We now have hitchhikers identified as victims... 884 00:48:00,146 --> 00:48:03,083 all buried while Fred lived at Cromwell Street. 885 00:48:03,116 --> 00:48:06,386 ** 886 00:48:06,419 --> 00:48:10,490 It becomes increasingly clear that Fred has essentially 887 00:48:10,523 --> 00:48:16,129 been...trawling the streets of Gloucestershire 888 00:48:16,162 --> 00:48:18,098 looking for victims. 889 00:48:18,131 --> 00:48:21,368 Fred was effectively a poacher on the loose, 890 00:48:21,401 --> 00:48:26,406 looking for prey who could be enticed back to Cromwell Street. 891 00:48:26,439 --> 00:48:30,477 Many were people who were on the edge, the fringe of society. 892 00:48:30,510 --> 00:48:34,114 Not a lot of people would come looking for them. 893 00:48:34,147 --> 00:48:37,417 Some of the girls who became victims 894 00:48:37,450 --> 00:48:41,521 had been lodgers in Cromwell Street. 895 00:48:41,554 --> 00:48:43,423 -Juanita Mott, another local girl. 896 00:48:43,456 --> 00:48:45,425 We know that she went to Cromwell Street. 897 00:48:45,458 --> 00:48:49,129 She disappeared off the face of the earth. 898 00:48:49,162 --> 00:48:50,463 And Alison Chambers, 899 00:48:50,497 --> 00:48:53,299 who Fred described as a friend of Shirley Robinson, 900 00:48:53,333 --> 00:48:55,402 who was, in fact, a lodger. 901 00:48:55,435 --> 00:48:58,271 Linda Gough -- Linda got to an age 902 00:48:58,304 --> 00:49:00,040 where she wanted to spread her wings, 903 00:49:00,073 --> 00:49:02,275 told her parents that she was working as a nanny 904 00:49:02,308 --> 00:49:04,411 with a nice family. 905 00:49:04,444 --> 00:49:06,279 When her mother went to check on her, 906 00:49:06,312 --> 00:49:11,117 she saw Rose West wearing some of Linda's clothes. 907 00:49:11,151 --> 00:49:14,454 It's inconceivable that these girls could have been 908 00:49:14,487 --> 00:49:17,824 kept in that cellar without Rose knowing. 909 00:49:17,857 --> 00:49:22,462 It's just beyond belief that she was not involved. 910 00:49:22,495 --> 00:49:26,299 -There was always something to weave all these girls together, 911 00:49:26,332 --> 00:49:30,603 and that one thing... was Fred and Rose. 912 00:49:30,637 --> 00:49:32,172 ** 913 00:49:35,275 --> 00:49:38,211 ** 914 00:49:38,244 --> 00:49:41,381 -There were undoubtedly many involved in the investigation 915 00:49:41,414 --> 00:49:46,119 who wanted Rose arrested and charged, as well. 916 00:49:46,152 --> 00:49:47,654 -But Fred is still insisting 917 00:49:47,687 --> 00:49:49,389 that Rose had nothing to do with it 918 00:49:49,422 --> 00:49:52,125 and it was all him. 919 00:49:52,158 --> 00:49:54,194 -Everyone felt some empathy for her, thinking, 920 00:49:54,227 --> 00:49:55,362 "Oh, God, she's been living with this monster, 921 00:49:55,395 --> 00:49:56,496 and she didn't know." 922 00:49:56,529 --> 00:49:57,731 And then after a while, 923 00:49:57,764 --> 00:50:00,467 when we knew more details about the murders, 924 00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:02,268 people then began to conclude, 925 00:50:02,302 --> 00:50:04,704 "Well, come on, she must have known. 926 00:50:04,738 --> 00:50:07,307 She must have been part of this." 927 00:50:07,340 --> 00:50:14,347 ** 928 00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:19,252 ** 929 00:50:19,285 --> 00:50:22,422 -I did a lot of research on Rose's background. 930 00:50:22,455 --> 00:50:24,424 It looked like a very nice upbringing, 931 00:50:24,457 --> 00:50:25,592 but behind closed doors, 932 00:50:25,625 --> 00:50:28,428 there was something very different. 933 00:50:28,461 --> 00:50:32,432 Her father, Bill, was an absolute monster. 934 00:50:32,465 --> 00:50:35,168 This very, very violent, man -- 935 00:50:35,201 --> 00:50:37,604 every day, in the most terrible ways. 936 00:50:37,637 --> 00:50:40,306 He'd throw stuff at the wall. 937 00:50:40,340 --> 00:50:42,308 ** 938 00:50:42,342 --> 00:50:44,444 Hit his wife, hit the children. 939 00:50:44,477 --> 00:50:49,449 But Rose had a way of making her father, Bill, laugh, 940 00:50:49,482 --> 00:50:51,317 so she was spared all that 941 00:50:51,351 --> 00:50:53,753 because he saw something else in her. 942 00:50:53,787 --> 00:50:56,322 ** 943 00:50:56,356 --> 00:51:01,327 And so from quite a young age, he began to groom her. 944 00:51:01,361 --> 00:51:03,329 She would just drop her dressing gown, 945 00:51:03,363 --> 00:51:05,632 walk around naked in front of him. 946 00:51:05,665 --> 00:51:08,635 Rose had been completely sexualized at a very young age. 947 00:51:08,668 --> 00:51:10,770 It was appalling. 948 00:51:10,804 --> 00:51:13,606 ** 949 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,608 In the year that Rose was 15, 950 00:51:15,642 --> 00:51:20,780 her sister asked her to look after the mobile caravan 951 00:51:20,814 --> 00:51:23,350 where they would serve teas and coffees 952 00:51:23,383 --> 00:51:27,654 to people who were working in the area. 953 00:51:27,687 --> 00:51:29,522 And she'd off and disappeared 954 00:51:29,556 --> 00:51:33,326 and was having sex with these men. 955 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,363 -One of the things that Rose learned as she was growing up 956 00:51:36,396 --> 00:51:39,499 was that she could use sex to manipulate men. 957 00:51:39,532 --> 00:51:41,501 -Remember, she'd been abused. 958 00:51:41,534 --> 00:51:44,504 She became a sexualized object 959 00:51:44,537 --> 00:51:48,341 and will be marked with it so that it will never go away. 960 00:51:48,375 --> 00:51:54,647 ** 961 00:51:54,681 --> 00:51:58,385 -Fred and Rose met at the bus stop in Cheltenham. 962 00:51:58,418 --> 00:51:59,819 She said that he had gunky teeth. 963 00:51:59,853 --> 00:52:02,689 His teeth were slightly green, 964 00:52:02,722 --> 00:52:05,258 but when he went and sat next to her on the bus 965 00:52:05,291 --> 00:52:07,227 and engaged her in conversation, 966 00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:11,264 she said that he could have charmed the bees from the trees. 967 00:52:11,297 --> 00:52:13,266 -They met in 1969. 968 00:52:13,299 --> 00:52:14,801 Fred was considerably older than Rose. 969 00:52:14,834 --> 00:52:16,269 He was 27. 970 00:52:16,302 --> 00:52:18,672 She was 15. 971 00:52:18,705 --> 00:52:22,409 They married 12 months later. 972 00:52:22,442 --> 00:52:25,245 Went to live together on a caravan site. 973 00:52:25,278 --> 00:52:28,415 ** 974 00:52:28,448 --> 00:52:31,418 -Rose's upbringing from a distance 975 00:52:31,451 --> 00:52:36,289 looked different to Fred's, but it really wasn't. 976 00:52:36,322 --> 00:52:37,724 So when they met on the bus, 977 00:52:37,757 --> 00:52:40,694 it was an accident waiting to happen, 978 00:52:40,727 --> 00:52:43,563 a perfect storm. 979 00:52:43,596 --> 00:52:46,900 -Fred West empowered Rosemary. 980 00:52:46,933 --> 00:52:51,604 We know that in her background, sexual activity 981 00:52:51,638 --> 00:52:56,309 was something that she used to pacify men around her. 982 00:52:56,343 --> 00:52:59,546 Frederick West lifted her from that 983 00:52:59,579 --> 00:53:03,450 so that he took her from being an object 984 00:53:03,483 --> 00:53:05,552 and made her a partner. 985 00:53:05,585 --> 00:53:12,592 ** 986 00:53:15,595 --> 00:53:22,602 ** 987 00:53:24,637 --> 00:53:28,441 -It was Rose who had the really voracious appetite 988 00:53:28,475 --> 00:53:34,514 for aggressive, hardcore sex, hardcore porn, hardcore BDSM, 989 00:53:34,547 --> 00:53:38,551 and Fred was quite happy watching her. 990 00:53:40,754 --> 00:53:46,626 ** 991 00:53:46,659 --> 00:53:48,361 -Fred had drilled little holes, 992 00:53:48,395 --> 00:53:51,765 peep holes, because Fred was nothing if not a voyeur. 993 00:53:51,798 --> 00:53:55,502 Fred took out adverts in local publications 994 00:53:55,535 --> 00:53:57,937 advertising Rose's services. 995 00:53:57,971 --> 00:54:03,510 ** 996 00:54:03,543 --> 00:54:07,781 He liked to watch people having sex... 997 00:54:07,814 --> 00:54:13,520 and his favorite performer was his wife, Rose. 998 00:54:21,628 --> 00:54:25,565 -It was something that she and Frederick shared. 999 00:54:25,598 --> 00:54:28,702 This was her pleasing him, as well. 1000 00:54:28,735 --> 00:54:33,406 She's giving him something that he couldn't ordinarily expect. 1001 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,976 He is a voyeur to what is literally happening feet away, 1002 00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:40,046 and Rosemary is giving him this as a gift. 1003 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,450 -She didn't care if she had sex with men or women. 1004 00:54:43,483 --> 00:54:45,852 If she wanted to do something, he'd let her do it, 1005 00:54:45,885 --> 00:54:48,455 but it didn't make her a killer. 1006 00:54:48,488 --> 00:54:51,691 ** 1007 00:54:51,725 --> 00:54:56,663 -During the investigation, the police come across a case 1008 00:54:56,696 --> 00:55:01,034 which throws a totally different light... 1009 00:55:01,067 --> 00:55:02,869 on Rosemary West. 1010 00:55:02,902 --> 00:55:09,909 ** 1011 00:55:12,879 --> 00:55:16,816 ** 1012 00:55:16,850 --> 00:55:18,718 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 1013 00:55:18,752 --> 00:55:20,887 -Caroline Owens knew the Wests 1014 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,723 because she spent some time with them as a lodger, 1015 00:55:23,757 --> 00:55:24,891 but she'd moved out. 1016 00:55:24,924 --> 00:55:27,594 And then, as luck would have it, one day, 1017 00:55:27,627 --> 00:55:30,730 they saw Caroline hitchhiking on the side of the highway. 1018 00:55:30,764 --> 00:55:34,467 ** 1019 00:55:34,501 --> 00:55:36,636 Rose was in the car with Fred. 1020 00:55:36,670 --> 00:55:37,804 Caroline gets into the car. 1021 00:55:37,837 --> 00:55:39,606 It's a two-door car, 1022 00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:43,910 so Rose has to adjust the seat and gets into the back with her. 1023 00:55:43,943 --> 00:55:47,480 Soon after that, Rose starts fondling her. 1024 00:55:47,514 --> 00:55:49,449 Caroline objects to this. 1025 00:55:49,482 --> 00:55:51,651 Fred punches her in the face, 1026 00:55:51,685 --> 00:55:53,753 basically knocks her unconscious. 1027 00:55:53,787 --> 00:55:56,623 When she comes round, she's in Cromwell Street, 1028 00:55:56,656 --> 00:55:58,925 and then the nightmare really begins. 1029 00:55:58,958 --> 00:56:02,495 ** 1030 00:56:02,529 --> 00:56:03,763 -She was bound. 1031 00:56:03,797 --> 00:56:05,799 She was held captive. 1032 00:56:05,832 --> 00:56:09,936 She was beaten with a leather belt in her genitalia. 1033 00:56:09,969 --> 00:56:15,075 She was raped by both Frederick and Rosemary West. 1034 00:56:15,108 --> 00:56:17,944 And then, one of the things happened 1035 00:56:17,977 --> 00:56:20,580 that changed everything for the future -- 1036 00:56:20,613 --> 00:56:22,649 she escaped. 1037 00:56:22,682 --> 00:56:29,689 ** 1038 00:56:32,692 --> 00:56:36,563 ** 1039 00:56:36,596 --> 00:56:39,799 [ Siren wails ] 1040 00:56:39,833 --> 00:56:42,669 -Caroline wasn't treated particularly well by the police. 1041 00:56:42,702 --> 00:56:44,104 They probably had the attitude of, 1042 00:56:44,137 --> 00:56:45,805 "Well, you're a girl on your own. 1043 00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:47,540 It's your own fault." 1044 00:56:47,574 --> 00:56:49,976 And so she decided to go with the lesser charges, 1045 00:56:50,010 --> 00:56:53,780 and she wouldn't have to give the same degree of evidence. 1046 00:56:53,813 --> 00:56:55,982 -The Wests were convicted 1047 00:56:56,016 --> 00:56:58,685 basically of an indecent assault, 1048 00:56:58,718 --> 00:57:01,521 and they were only fined £25. 1049 00:57:01,554 --> 00:57:03,823 -Which is just ludicrous. 1050 00:57:03,857 --> 00:57:07,861 The fact that Caroline Owens escaped was a mistake -- 1051 00:57:07,894 --> 00:57:10,630 a mistake that would come back to haunt them. 1052 00:57:10,663 --> 00:57:17,671 ** 1053 00:57:20,674 --> 00:57:27,681 ** 1054 00:57:28,148 --> 00:57:33,887 -There is a progression in the offending career of the Wests. 1055 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,155 In the early stages, 1056 00:57:35,188 --> 00:57:38,858 Fred West would tend to operate singly 1057 00:57:38,892 --> 00:57:41,695 when he was acquiring his victim. 1058 00:57:41,728 --> 00:57:43,196 In the middle stages, 1059 00:57:43,229 --> 00:57:45,865 you see the abductions from the street. 1060 00:57:45,899 --> 00:57:48,735 It's high-risk. 1061 00:57:48,768 --> 00:57:51,604 Of course, with a woman in the car, 1062 00:57:51,638 --> 00:57:54,107 the potential hitchhiker or person at the bus stop 1063 00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:56,042 would have a different attitude. 1064 00:57:56,076 --> 00:58:00,046 We know that a woman in the car means it's much safer, don't we? 1065 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,916 How wrong could you be? 1066 00:58:02,949 --> 00:58:06,886 They get past that by taking people into their own home, 1067 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,054 the lodgers. 1068 00:58:08,088 --> 00:58:09,789 Then you move on. 1069 00:58:09,823 --> 00:58:11,925 As that begins to wane, remember, 1070 00:58:11,958 --> 00:58:13,893 these are creative people. 1071 00:58:13,927 --> 00:58:17,030 These are people who look for new experiences. 1072 00:58:17,063 --> 00:58:19,899 They turn their attention to their own children. 1073 00:58:19,933 --> 00:58:22,736 ** 1074 00:58:22,769 --> 00:58:25,638 -Fred's attitude to his children, 1075 00:58:25,672 --> 00:58:29,209 especially the girls, is that it was the father's right 1076 00:58:29,242 --> 00:58:32,078 to teach them about everything in life, 1077 00:58:32,112 --> 00:58:34,214 and even that being sex. 1078 00:58:34,247 --> 00:58:37,083 -It's important here to understand 1079 00:58:37,117 --> 00:58:39,953 that Rose isn't just a bystander. 1080 00:58:39,986 --> 00:58:43,156 She's fully involved in guiding what's happening, 1081 00:58:43,189 --> 00:58:46,960 so in a sense, they are seeding the future. 1082 00:58:46,993 --> 00:58:54,000 ** 1083 00:58:56,970 --> 00:58:59,673 ** 1084 00:58:59,706 --> 00:59:01,808 -I was in my bedroom, 1085 00:59:01,841 --> 00:59:03,777 and it was the middle of the night. 1086 00:59:03,810 --> 00:59:05,245 And I heard Heather screaming, 1087 00:59:05,278 --> 00:59:07,814 "Stop it, Daddy, stop it, Daddy!" 1088 00:59:07,847 --> 00:59:11,117 I thought Heather was being chastised for being naughty. 1089 00:59:11,151 --> 00:59:15,221 Then I was told... by one of the children 1090 00:59:15,255 --> 00:59:17,924 that it was Fred's right to... 1091 00:59:17,957 --> 00:59:21,961 I think the words were "break his daughters in." 1092 00:59:21,995 --> 00:59:25,732 It took me a little bit of time to put two and two together, 1093 00:59:25,765 --> 00:59:28,702 and then I realized what they were saying. 1094 00:59:28,735 --> 00:59:32,972 I always sit and think to myself, "If I'd reported it, 1095 00:59:33,006 --> 00:59:34,708 would anything ever have been done?" 1096 00:59:34,741 --> 00:59:36,242 And I always answer myself, "No. 1097 00:59:36,276 --> 00:59:37,677 I was a runaway. 1098 00:59:37,711 --> 00:59:39,813 Nobody would believe a runaway." 1099 00:59:39,846 --> 00:59:43,283 -It's thought that what happened at Cromwell Street 1100 00:59:43,316 --> 00:59:45,719 was all behind the facade of a family home, 1101 00:59:45,752 --> 00:59:47,854 but, of course, it never was a family home. 1102 00:59:47,887 --> 00:59:53,159 It was a pleasure dome for Rosemary and Frederick West. 1103 00:59:53,193 --> 00:59:55,161 -I couldn't listen to that anymore, 1104 00:59:55,195 --> 00:59:56,863 so I made the decision to leave. 1105 00:59:56,896 --> 00:59:58,832 But I made the decision not to tell them. 1106 00:59:58,865 --> 01:00:00,834 I was frightened to tell them, 1107 01:00:00,867 --> 01:00:04,170 so I left it until the day that I was leaving. 1108 01:00:04,204 --> 01:00:06,206 And I said, "My rent is due today, 1109 01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:07,741 but I'm actually moving out." 1110 01:00:07,774 --> 01:00:09,976 To which Rose said, "When?" 1111 01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:11,244 I said, "Now." 1112 01:00:11,277 --> 01:00:13,847 She seemed a bit shocked. 1113 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,282 Shirley knew I was leaving. 1114 01:00:16,316 --> 01:00:18,084 I told her my decision. 1115 01:00:18,118 --> 01:00:20,320 I said to her, "I'll keep touch. 1116 01:00:20,353 --> 01:00:24,057 I'll come back when I know baby's due." 1117 01:00:24,090 --> 01:00:27,027 And she waved to me as I left. 1118 01:00:27,060 --> 01:00:29,329 ** 1119 01:00:29,362 --> 01:00:31,364 And that was the last I saw of her. 1120 01:00:31,398 --> 01:00:35,068 ** 1121 01:00:38,405 --> 01:00:40,407 [ Siren wails ] 1122 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,411 -Fred West always said all along that it was just him. 1123 01:00:44,444 --> 01:00:46,446 He didn't want to implicate Rose. 1124 01:00:46,479 --> 01:00:48,415 He just wanted to keep her sweet 1125 01:00:48,448 --> 01:00:51,851 for when he came out from serving his sentence. 1126 01:00:51,885 --> 01:00:54,287 -Fred had a notion that Rose 1127 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,956 would come and visit him in prison, 1128 01:00:56,990 --> 01:01:00,427 that she'd have a rather lovely little cottage close by, 1129 01:01:00,460 --> 01:01:02,829 that she'd cook him something nice, 1130 01:01:02,862 --> 01:01:06,966 and it would all be terribly charming and lovey-dovey. 1131 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,904 [ Siren wails ] 1132 01:01:10,937 --> 01:01:13,440 -Police still have no direct evidence 1133 01:01:13,473 --> 01:01:16,009 linking Rose to the murders. 1134 01:01:16,042 --> 01:01:18,311 Nevertheless, the case of Caroline Owens 1135 01:01:18,345 --> 01:01:22,382 and the joint abduction and the joint abuse 1136 01:01:22,415 --> 01:01:24,451 by both Fred and Rose 1137 01:01:24,484 --> 01:01:29,155 convinced them that they should charge them both. 1138 01:01:29,189 --> 01:01:32,192 They were gonna use that as the lever 1139 01:01:32,225 --> 01:01:36,329 to convince the jury that they were partners in crime. 1140 01:01:36,363 --> 01:01:38,164 "Look at what had happened before, 1141 01:01:38,198 --> 01:01:39,966 and look at what happened now." 1142 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,003 It was what was called in court similar fact evidence. 1143 01:01:43,036 --> 01:01:50,043 ** 1144 01:01:53,046 --> 01:01:58,918 ** 1145 01:01:58,952 --> 01:02:00,353 -Frederick West, minutes away 1146 01:02:00,387 --> 01:02:02,355 from a reunion with his wife, Rosemary, 1147 01:02:02,389 --> 01:02:04,357 is driven into Gloucester Magistrates Court. 1148 01:02:04,391 --> 01:02:06,192 She arrived moments later, 1149 01:02:06,226 --> 01:02:08,194 this the first time they'd seen each other 1150 01:02:08,228 --> 01:02:10,497 since they were arrested four months ago. 1151 01:02:10,530 --> 01:02:12,932 ** 1152 01:02:12,966 --> 01:02:17,203 -When I went into the court, it was heaving with people. 1153 01:02:17,237 --> 01:02:19,506 Rose was brought to the left-hand side, 1154 01:02:19,539 --> 01:02:23,543 and Fred came up the steps on the other side. 1155 01:02:23,576 --> 01:02:28,081 I remember looking at her and then looking at him, 1156 01:02:28,114 --> 01:02:33,086 and as soon as he approached there, he looked at Rose, 1157 01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:34,954 sort of like... 1158 01:02:34,988 --> 01:02:37,090 to give her a sort of a -- and she went like that. 1159 01:02:37,123 --> 01:02:42,228 She literally dropped her head and blanked him. 1160 01:02:42,262 --> 01:02:44,097 -Every single pair of eyes, 1161 01:02:44,130 --> 01:02:46,566 and there were a lot of them in that courtroom, 1162 01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:50,170 was focused, laser-focused, on her reaction. 1163 01:02:50,203 --> 01:02:53,106 That day was the moment that we all realized 1164 01:02:53,139 --> 01:02:55,408 things were about to change. 1165 01:02:55,442 --> 01:02:56,543 ** 1166 01:02:56,576 --> 01:02:59,979 [ Projector whirring ] 1167 01:03:00,013 --> 01:03:07,053 ** 1168 01:03:07,454 --> 01:03:11,124 -West had seen them -- himself and Rosemary -- 1169 01:03:11,157 --> 01:03:14,561 as a pair, as united. 1170 01:03:14,594 --> 01:03:18,431 But she is seeing this as a lifeline. 1171 01:03:18,465 --> 01:03:24,004 "Maybe if I can help the world to know that I was coerced, 1172 01:03:24,037 --> 01:03:30,276 that I was pushed into it, maybe it will go better for me." 1173 01:03:30,310 --> 01:03:34,547 He knows now that all of their previous fantasizing 1174 01:03:34,581 --> 01:03:36,583 is coming to nothing. 1175 01:03:36,616 --> 01:03:38,451 ** 1176 01:03:38,485 --> 01:03:41,054 -Fred is mortified and in a fit of pique, 1177 01:03:41,087 --> 01:03:44,157 goes back to the police station, changes his story completely, 1178 01:03:44,190 --> 01:03:45,592 says it's no longer him. 1179 01:03:45,625 --> 01:03:47,627 He didn't do it. He just buried the bodies. 1180 01:03:47,660 --> 01:03:51,331 Someone else did it, and that someone else was Rose. 1181 01:04:00,507 --> 01:04:07,514 ** 1182 01:04:10,517 --> 01:04:13,219 ** 1183 01:04:13,253 --> 01:04:17,257 -There was a huge sense of anticipation ahead of the trial. 1184 01:04:17,290 --> 01:04:21,695 These are a married couple, Britain's worst serial killers, 1185 01:04:21,728 --> 01:04:25,231 and that they were gonna be in the dock together, 1186 01:04:25,265 --> 01:04:27,334 fighting each other, 1187 01:04:27,367 --> 01:04:32,072 really was gonna be the trial of the century. 1188 01:04:32,105 --> 01:04:34,341 -Detectives had a long conversation 1189 01:04:34,374 --> 01:04:37,210 with the governor of Winson Green Prison 1190 01:04:37,243 --> 01:04:40,347 and said Fred is a prisoner at risk. 1191 01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:42,515 He will potentially try and take his own life. 1192 01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:45,485 You must guard him very, very carefully. 1193 01:04:45,518 --> 01:04:52,525 ** 1194 01:04:55,228 --> 01:04:56,563 -Rose West was kept in 1195 01:04:56,596 --> 01:04:59,132 the segregation unit at Holloway, 1196 01:04:59,165 --> 01:05:01,101 which means she was separated 1197 01:05:01,134 --> 01:05:03,236 from the rest of the prison population. 1198 01:05:03,269 --> 01:05:05,372 She had a cell to herself... 1199 01:05:05,405 --> 01:05:10,243 about 8 or 9 foot long and about 3 1/2, 4 foot wide. 1200 01:05:10,276 --> 01:05:14,547 It wasn't a luxurious cell by any stretch of the imagination. 1201 01:05:14,581 --> 01:05:17,117 Rose liked spending money at the canteen -- 1202 01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:20,687 confectionary, biscuits, that sort of thing. 1203 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,390 She asked the governor for permission to have 1204 01:05:23,423 --> 01:05:26,559 plastic knitting needles, which was agreed, 1205 01:05:26,593 --> 01:05:28,294 although she had to hand them out 1206 01:05:28,328 --> 01:05:31,564 every night before lights-out. 1207 01:05:31,598 --> 01:05:34,401 Child murders are seen as the lowest of the low, 1208 01:05:34,434 --> 01:05:37,137 and other prisoners knew that she was down there 1209 01:05:37,170 --> 01:05:39,706 and would call out, shouting obscenities. 1210 01:05:39,739 --> 01:05:43,143 [ Indistinct shouting ] 1211 01:05:43,176 --> 01:05:49,182 ** 1212 01:05:49,215 --> 01:05:52,419 -I was at my sister-in-law's house for the New Year, 1213 01:05:52,452 --> 01:05:57,424 and, uh...I was sat there, and pager went off. 1214 01:05:57,457 --> 01:05:58,558 [ Pager beeping ] 1215 01:05:58,591 --> 01:06:01,127 "Wow. 1216 01:06:01,161 --> 01:06:03,530 Fred's killed himself." 1217 01:06:03,563 --> 01:06:05,765 -Prison guards found West hanging in his cell 1218 01:06:05,799 --> 01:06:07,801 at Winson Green on New Year's Day. 1219 01:06:07,834 --> 01:06:11,137 Postmortem results have confirmed Frederick West died 1220 01:06:11,171 --> 01:06:14,708 from a starvation of oxygen to the brain caused by hanging. 1221 01:06:14,741 --> 01:06:17,610 -Everyone was absolutely livid. 1222 01:06:17,644 --> 01:06:19,446 The nationwas livid. 1223 01:06:19,479 --> 01:06:22,449 Fred had cheated justice, which is a travesty. 1224 01:06:22,482 --> 01:06:23,817 -It was just shocking, 1225 01:06:23,850 --> 01:06:25,719 but then, that shock turned to anger quite quickly 1226 01:06:25,752 --> 01:06:29,289 because how on earth can one of the most high-profile prisoners 1227 01:06:29,322 --> 01:06:30,690 this country has ever had 1228 01:06:30,724 --> 01:06:35,261 be allowed to commit suicide ahead of his trial? 1229 01:06:35,295 --> 01:06:38,732 -He hanged himself and took the coward's way out. 1230 01:06:38,765 --> 01:06:45,205 ** 1231 01:06:45,238 --> 01:06:47,640 -I got a phone call from the duty governor 1232 01:06:47,674 --> 01:06:50,377 saying that Fred West had committed suicide 1233 01:06:50,410 --> 01:06:52,512 at Winson Green Prison, 1234 01:06:52,545 --> 01:06:56,649 and he was coming down to tell Rose. 1235 01:06:56,683 --> 01:07:00,353 And it was literally two steps from my office 1236 01:07:00,387 --> 01:07:02,655 to Rose's cell door. 1237 01:07:02,689 --> 01:07:05,492 I opened her cell door, said, "Rose, the duty governor's here. 1238 01:07:05,525 --> 01:07:07,827 He has something he needs to speak to you about." 1239 01:07:07,861 --> 01:07:10,530 She was on her bed knitting. 1240 01:07:10,563 --> 01:07:14,367 He said, "Rose, I'm really sorry to have to tell you this, 1241 01:07:14,401 --> 01:07:18,238 but Fred has committed suicide." 1242 01:07:18,271 --> 01:07:23,810 There was nothing from Rose -- no exclamation, no tears -- 1243 01:07:23,843 --> 01:07:25,812 but there was just a glint, 1244 01:07:25,845 --> 01:07:29,516 a flicker of emotion in her eyes, 1245 01:07:29,549 --> 01:07:32,552 almost pleasure that Fred had died 1246 01:07:32,585 --> 01:07:34,387 because she now thought that, 1247 01:07:34,421 --> 01:07:37,290 "If Fred's dead, they've got nothing on me." 1248 01:07:37,323 --> 01:07:38,825 -She was a psychopath. 1249 01:07:38,858 --> 01:07:41,695 There would be that sense of relief. 1250 01:07:41,728 --> 01:07:42,829 "He's gone. 1251 01:07:42,862 --> 01:07:45,799 Thank goodness for that." 1252 01:07:45,832 --> 01:07:48,702 -Was Rose about to get away with murder? 1253 01:07:48,735 --> 01:07:52,706 ** 1254 01:07:55,942 --> 01:07:57,510 ** 1255 01:07:57,544 --> 01:08:00,447 -With Fred now dead, there is every suggestion 1256 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,949 that any case against Rose will just fall. 1257 01:08:02,982 --> 01:08:07,787 Fred was the vital cog, and there's a real danger 1258 01:08:07,821 --> 01:08:10,957 that Rosemary West will never come to trial. 1259 01:08:10,990 --> 01:08:13,793 -Legal experts say any statements made by West 1260 01:08:13,827 --> 01:08:16,796 before he died are now inadmissible as evidence. 1261 01:08:16,830 --> 01:08:18,798 According to Rosemary West's solicitor, 1262 01:08:18,832 --> 01:08:21,634 the case against her, which he claims was flimsy, 1263 01:08:21,668 --> 01:08:23,803 is now even flimsier. 1264 01:08:23,837 --> 01:08:27,774 ** 1265 01:08:27,807 --> 01:08:29,843 -The police redouble their efforts to make sure 1266 01:08:29,876 --> 01:08:32,812 that Rose is not gonna escape justice. 1267 01:08:32,846 --> 01:08:35,682 And in particular, they take the look at the death 1268 01:08:35,715 --> 01:08:39,819 of Charmaine, Rena's daughter, in 1971. 1269 01:08:39,853 --> 01:08:46,960 ** 1270 01:08:46,993 --> 01:08:50,397 -Fred always claimed that he had killed Charmaine 1271 01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:52,565 after murdering his first wife, Rena, 1272 01:08:52,599 --> 01:08:55,001 but the police knew from Fred West's records 1273 01:08:55,035 --> 01:08:57,404 that he'd served another term of imprisonment 1274 01:08:57,437 --> 01:09:01,574 for petty burglary in 1971... 1275 01:09:01,608 --> 01:09:04,811 roughly the time that Charmaine was murdered. 1276 01:09:04,844 --> 01:09:06,846 ** 1277 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,949 Rose was Charmaine's surrogate mother. 1278 01:09:09,983 --> 01:09:11,851 They didn't get on well. 1279 01:09:11,885 --> 01:09:15,422 When Charmaine disappeared, the school that she went to 1280 01:09:15,455 --> 01:09:17,557 wanted to know why she was no longer in class. 1281 01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:20,860 Rose told them that she'd gone away with her mother, Rena. 1282 01:09:20,894 --> 01:09:23,396 So the focus now falls on Rose. 1283 01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:25,999 ** 1284 01:09:26,032 --> 01:09:28,735 Police went back to Dr. Whittaker 1285 01:09:28,768 --> 01:09:31,004 to see if they could get a more accurate time frame 1286 01:09:31,037 --> 01:09:33,807 on when Charmaine was actually killed. 1287 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,009 They were able to get a photograph 1288 01:09:36,042 --> 01:09:39,746 which was taken when Charmaine was at school... 1289 01:09:39,779 --> 01:09:41,614 and he was able to superimpose 1290 01:09:41,648 --> 01:09:43,717 the photograph that he'd obtained 1291 01:09:43,750 --> 01:09:47,487 on the skull that the police had recovered. 1292 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,024 Dr. Whittaker was able to tell within a matter of days, 1293 01:09:51,057 --> 01:09:54,561 weeks maximum, that, in his opinion, 1294 01:09:54,594 --> 01:09:56,596 Charmaine was alive on a certain date 1295 01:09:56,629 --> 01:09:58,498 when Fred West was in prison, 1296 01:09:58,531 --> 01:10:04,738 and she was dead on a date when Fred West was still in prison. 1297 01:10:04,771 --> 01:10:06,906 -It was a little bit more complicated than that 1298 01:10:06,940 --> 01:10:09,776 because he gives them a date in June 1299 01:10:09,809 --> 01:10:12,579 but with a two-week window on either side, 1300 01:10:12,612 --> 01:10:14,914 so it's not absolutely conclusive. 1301 01:10:14,948 --> 01:10:21,955 ** 1302 01:10:22,655 --> 01:10:27,494 -Rose West stood trial at the start of October 1995. 1303 01:10:27,527 --> 01:10:29,462 She was charged with 10 murders -- 1304 01:10:29,496 --> 01:10:31,498 all of the murders at Cromwell Street, 1305 01:10:31,531 --> 01:10:33,600 plus the murder of Charmaine. 1306 01:10:33,633 --> 01:10:35,769 There were queues to get into 1307 01:10:35,802 --> 01:10:37,504 the public gallery every morning. 1308 01:10:37,537 --> 01:10:40,106 It was, like, the hottest ticket in town. 1309 01:10:40,140 --> 01:10:42,475 -There was a great deal of apprehension 1310 01:10:42,509 --> 01:10:44,678 from the officers who had been involved in the case 1311 01:10:44,711 --> 01:10:47,947 because it was almost a 50/50. 1312 01:10:47,981 --> 01:10:50,016 What would happen if she was found innocent? 1313 01:10:50,050 --> 01:10:52,786 What a travesty that would be. 1314 01:10:52,819 --> 01:10:55,088 -The most telling testimony 1315 01:10:55,121 --> 01:10:59,092 came from Rose's other stepdaughter, Anna Marie. 1316 01:10:59,125 --> 01:11:03,763 Anna Marie had to divulge the most personal details 1317 01:11:03,797 --> 01:11:05,031 of the way that Fred and Rose 1318 01:11:05,065 --> 01:11:08,668 had sexually abused her down the years, 1319 01:11:08,702 --> 01:11:11,104 and Caroline Owens told her story of 1320 01:11:11,137 --> 01:11:14,674 how she bore the guilt as the one who got away. 1321 01:11:14,708 --> 01:11:21,715 ** 1322 01:11:23,850 --> 01:11:26,686 -It emerged that a number of prosecution witnesses 1323 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,689 took money from newspapers to tell their story, 1324 01:11:29,723 --> 01:11:31,691 and of course, when you do that, 1325 01:11:31,725 --> 01:11:34,794 it's very easy for the defense to say, 1326 01:11:34,828 --> 01:11:37,564 "Well, how are we supposed to believe what you're saying? 1327 01:11:37,597 --> 01:11:39,699 Your story has been embellished." 1328 01:11:39,733 --> 01:11:42,569 -This was a case with Caroline Owens, 1329 01:11:42,602 --> 01:11:44,571 who had told police investigators 1330 01:11:44,604 --> 01:11:47,007 that Rose was complicit, 1331 01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,844 and when it was put to her that it was in her interests 1332 01:11:50,877 --> 01:11:55,015 that Rose West was found guilty, she wept openly 1333 01:11:55,048 --> 01:11:56,850 and she said that she was telling her story 1334 01:11:56,883 --> 01:11:59,853 because she wanted justice for the women 1335 01:11:59,886 --> 01:12:03,023 and girls that had been killed by Fred and Rose West. 1336 01:12:03,056 --> 01:12:10,063 ** 1337 01:12:10,330 --> 01:12:14,034 I think everyone was surprised that Rose took the stand. 1338 01:12:14,067 --> 01:12:17,904 The defense probably thought they had to do something. 1339 01:12:17,937 --> 01:12:20,040 It was possibly their last throw of the dice. 1340 01:12:20,073 --> 01:12:21,908 -Her evidence really fell into two parts. 1341 01:12:21,941 --> 01:12:23,877 One, "I couldn't possibly have done it 1342 01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:25,578 because I was pregnant all the time," 1343 01:12:25,612 --> 01:12:28,748 and two, "Fred never told me anything." 1344 01:12:28,782 --> 01:12:32,052 -There were times when she appeared to shed a tear, 1345 01:12:32,085 --> 01:12:34,087 but then you could see that she'd actually 1346 01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:35,422 poked herself in the eye. 1347 01:12:35,455 --> 01:12:37,924 She was not a credible witness. 1348 01:12:37,957 --> 01:12:41,161 -As the trial of Rosemary West on 10 charges of murder 1349 01:12:41,194 --> 01:12:42,929 reaches its final phase, 1350 01:12:42,962 --> 01:12:45,932 Mrs. West was brought the quarter of a mile 1351 01:12:45,965 --> 01:12:49,135 from Winchester Prison to the city's Crown Court 1352 01:12:49,169 --> 01:12:51,638 to hear the judge, Mr. Justice Mantell, 1353 01:12:51,671 --> 01:12:53,940 summarize the evidence. 1354 01:12:53,973 --> 01:13:00,980 ** 1355 01:13:03,116 --> 01:13:05,185 -There was a sense among the media 1356 01:13:05,218 --> 01:13:06,753 that if the jury came back 1357 01:13:06,786 --> 01:13:09,689 and convicted Rose of killing Charmaine, 1358 01:13:09,723 --> 01:13:11,224 there was every chance 1359 01:13:11,257 --> 01:13:13,927 that she would be convicted of the other crimes. 1360 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:18,698 ** 1361 01:13:18,732 --> 01:13:21,935 And that was one of the first verdicts returned. 1362 01:13:21,968 --> 01:13:24,170 She was found guilty of Charmaine. 1363 01:13:24,204 --> 01:13:26,239 ** 1364 01:13:26,272 --> 01:13:27,974 The following morning, 1365 01:13:28,008 --> 01:13:30,243 the jury came back within half an hour 1366 01:13:30,276 --> 01:13:34,114 and convicted Rosemary West of all the other crimes. 1367 01:13:34,147 --> 01:13:37,784 Mr. Justice Mantell's words still ring in my ears. 1368 01:13:37,817 --> 01:13:40,253 "If attention is paid to what I say, 1369 01:13:40,286 --> 01:13:42,188 you will never be released." 1370 01:13:42,222 --> 01:13:44,057 Effectively, Mantell said, 1371 01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:46,793 "You will spend the rest of your life behind bars." 1372 01:13:46,826 --> 01:13:53,833 ** 1373 01:13:56,836 --> 01:13:57,971 ** 1374 01:13:58,004 --> 01:13:59,706 -I was with the support group. 1375 01:13:59,739 --> 01:14:03,276 We were in our van on patrol, and we had the radio on. 1376 01:14:03,309 --> 01:14:05,979 And it was announced that she'd been found guilty, 1377 01:14:06,012 --> 01:14:10,984 and everyone cheered because justice had been done. 1378 01:14:11,017 --> 01:14:14,854 -Frederick West was a farmyard killer... 1379 01:14:14,888 --> 01:14:18,692 and then he met Rosemary West. 1380 01:14:18,725 --> 01:14:21,161 It was her rage, her sexual lust, 1381 01:14:21,194 --> 01:14:22,996 that was unleashed. 1382 01:14:23,029 --> 01:14:28,001 What we don't know, really, is if she didn't have the venue, 1383 01:14:28,034 --> 01:14:30,970 the house and Frederick West there 1384 01:14:31,004 --> 01:14:33,273 to be her mentor and counselor, 1385 01:14:33,306 --> 01:14:37,010 would it have gone to the heights that it finally went to? 1386 01:14:37,043 --> 01:14:39,312 Their joining together took things to a place 1387 01:14:39,346 --> 01:14:42,015 that very few people can contemplate. 1388 01:14:42,048 --> 01:14:48,321 -There are very, very few man-and-wife killing teams... 1389 01:14:48,355 --> 01:14:50,724 and this was one of the most remarkable. 1390 01:14:50,757 --> 01:14:53,059 Even the Honeymoon Killers in the United States, 1391 01:14:53,093 --> 01:14:55,762 who killed in the '40s, the end of the '40s, 1392 01:14:55,795 --> 01:14:58,331 only had 4 victims, not 12. 1393 01:14:58,365 --> 01:15:03,303 ** 1394 01:15:03,336 --> 01:15:05,772 -There was quite a public debate 1395 01:15:05,805 --> 01:15:08,875 about what should happen to 25 Cromwell Street. 1396 01:15:08,908 --> 01:15:10,276 There was some suggestion 1397 01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:12,345 that it should be turned into some sort of museum, 1398 01:15:12,379 --> 01:15:15,048 but the local council was never gonna let that happen. 1399 01:15:15,081 --> 01:15:18,918 And eventually... it was demolished. 1400 01:15:18,952 --> 01:15:22,922 ** 1401 01:15:22,956 --> 01:15:24,891 -The West case, of course, was notorious, 1402 01:15:24,924 --> 01:15:27,227 and there wasn't a person in the country 1403 01:15:27,260 --> 01:15:28,895 who was not aware of it. 1404 01:15:28,928 --> 01:15:30,797 But do we know the whole truth 1405 01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:34,801 about what Fred and Rose West did? 1406 01:15:34,834 --> 01:15:36,102 I'm not sure we do. 1407 01:15:36,136 --> 01:15:40,240 I think a lot of secrets died with Fred West. 1408 01:15:40,273 --> 01:15:42,809 -I'm quite satisfied that there are, 1409 01:15:42,842 --> 01:15:45,245 as yet, victims who haven't been found, 1410 01:15:45,278 --> 01:15:48,948 and I know this is shared by investigators. 1411 01:15:48,982 --> 01:15:52,419 But they can't keep digging forever. 1412 01:15:52,452 --> 01:15:55,822 -Rose convinced herself so much 1413 01:15:55,855 --> 01:15:57,957 that she was nothing to do with those killings 1414 01:15:57,991 --> 01:16:00,960 and it was all Fred that she now believes it. 1415 01:16:00,994 --> 01:16:03,396 I mean, she believes she is innocent. 1416 01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:10,603 ** 1417 01:16:13,139 --> 01:16:16,976 ** 1418 01:16:20,313 --> 01:16:22,215 -There were many missed opportunities 1419 01:16:22,248 --> 01:16:24,351 to stop Fred and Rose. 1420 01:16:24,818 --> 01:16:26,820 They were hiding... 1421 01:16:27,253 --> 01:16:28,655 in plain sight. 1422 01:16:29,356 --> 01:16:31,157 -You had young women 1423 01:16:31,191 --> 01:16:34,127 who were simply falling off the edge of the world 1424 01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:35,462 in and around Gloucestershire, 1425 01:16:35,495 --> 01:16:39,099 but no one seemed to be asking the questions. 1426 01:16:39,132 --> 01:16:41,835 Why not? Because such things never happen. 1427 01:16:41,868 --> 01:16:43,236 "What are you talking about?" 1428 01:16:43,269 --> 01:16:45,472 "Some fantastic horror story?" 1429 01:16:45,505 --> 01:16:48,842 Well, yes, but nobody knew it was true. 1430 01:16:50,210 --> 01:16:54,114 -The legacy of the West case is to remind us all 1431 01:16:54,147 --> 01:16:59,652 of the capacity of man and woman to do the most evil deeds, 1432 01:17:00,153 --> 01:17:02,956 and present a bland face to the world. 1433 01:17:05,025 --> 01:17:08,995 But I do believe it's important to confront evil, 1434 01:17:09,029 --> 01:17:11,331 and not to sweep it under the carpet. 1435 01:17:11,865 --> 01:17:15,502 Fred and Rose West fundamentally threatened 1436 01:17:15,535 --> 01:17:18,471 our concept of family and innocence. 1437 01:17:18,505 --> 01:17:22,042 I think it cost this country its innocence. 1438 01:17:22,409 --> 01:17:24,411 ** 108773

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