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-Police began excavating here
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when information was passed
to them by a teenage girl.
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She told them clues to the
disappearance of Heather West
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were lying
beneath the paving stones.
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-Heather, the first child
of Fred West,
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has been missing since 1987.
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-Fred was very jolly,
very amenable.
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-What kind of a father
murders his daughter?
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-It was a story
that was worth investigating.
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You never know
where it might end up,
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and boy, did we not know
where it was gonna end up.
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-I thought we were looking for
the body of one girl.
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-The bodies just kept on coming.
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First there was two,
then there were five.
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-These girls were tortured,
raped, and destroyed.
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-I had to explain to the police
that this man is a psychopath.
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This is a man for whom
other people don't exist.
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-She waved to me as I left,
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and that was the last
I saw of her.
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-Suddenly, the world's media
descended on Cromwell Street,
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hundreds and hundreds of them.
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-25 Cromwell Street
became known
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as the House of Horrors
all over the world.
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-Who are these girls
that he's killed?
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How did they come
to Cromwell Street?
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-Most girls would have run,
but Rose didn't.
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-They were married,
husband and wife.
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How could it be possible
that these things were happening
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without Rose knowing
what was going on in the house?
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-She must have known.
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She must have been part of this.
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-Police were convinced
they should charge them both.
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-Married couple accused
of being serial killers --
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Britain's worst serial killers.
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-What are you talking about,
some fantastic horror story?
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Well, yes.
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[ Camera shutter clicking ]
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-You'll find Gloucester
on the map
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about 100 miles west of London,
on the edge of an area
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of outstanding natural beauty
called the Cotswolds.
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The Cotswolds
is the fashionable area,
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Gloucester very much
the working-class area.
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-Cromwell Street
is a little road
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really close to the center
of Gloucester.
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There was nothing posh
about Cromwell Street.
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It was exactly the opposite --
quite small, quite narrow,
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had a very itinerant population.
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People were coming
and going all the time.
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25 Cromwell Street started life
as a derelict building.
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Fred West took it on and
proceeded to "do it up,"
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which really meant
making it habitable,
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and in the early days,
Fred and Rose
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let out the top floor
to lodgers.
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All manner of strange people
came and went.
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There were hippies.
There were runaways.
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There were all kinds of people.
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[ Bell tolling ]
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-I moved into Cromwell Street
when I was 16.
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I was a little bit of a rebel.
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I lost my dad two years previous
to leaving home,
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and I just decided
I could make it out on my own.
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I was gonna be independent
at last,
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and nobody could find me.
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It was a start of a new life.
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When I moved into
Cromwell Street,
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Fred was very jolly,
very amenable.
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He was always
a very happy person.
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Rose was very pleasant,
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but she was a little bit
aloof with me.
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If she didn't want
to speak to you,
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she would just turn
her back on you and walk away.
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Fred and Rose's relationship
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was absolutely besotted
with each other.
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They couldn't pass each other
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without a little peck
on the cheek.
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They smiled
at each other constantly.
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The house was very homely,
very welcoming.
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Rose was an avid cleaner,
so the house always smelled
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of a disinfectant-type,
bleach-type smell.
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As you go through
the front door,
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to the left was Rose's room.
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To the right
was the living room.
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Upstairs,
there was another floor.
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Straight up again
was my room to the right,
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which faced out
to the front of the property.
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I seemed to hit it off
with Rose.
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Eventually,
we got to the stages of,
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"Could you babysit
the children?"
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Which, yeah, yeah,
that was fine by me.
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There was Anna Marie.
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There was Heather.
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There was Mae,
and there was Stephen.
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Heather was 8
and a bubbly girl, up for fun.
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We'd either
watch a movie on the TV
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or go out and play
our silly little games.
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It was a happy family.
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[ Children shouting
indistinctly ]
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-Quite by chance,
some of the West children
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were outside playing
in Cromwell Street...
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and a policeman
is walking down Cromwell Street
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wheeling his bicycle.
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And the girls turn
to the policeman
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and say, "What would you do
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if a father was abusing
one of his daughters?"
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And the policeman
reports the conversation...
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and began a chain of events
that was eventually to lead
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the police to arrest Fred
for...raping his daughter.
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And at that point,
Gloucestershire Social Services
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took the five youngest
West children into care.
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When that rape charge
comes to trial...
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the daughter in question
refuses steadfastly
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to give evidence
against her father,
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and the judge in the case
has no alternative
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but to throw out the charges.
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But the five children
remain in care,
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and while they're in care,
the social workers come across
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what they described
as a family joke.
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The younger children said,
"Well, Fred used to threaten us.
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You know, if you're naughty,
you'll end up like Heather
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under the patio
in the back garden."
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-The family joke
kept cropping up,
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so naturally, the police decided
they would have to follow it up.
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-Gloucester police discovered
that Heather,
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the first child
of Fred and Rose,
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has been missing since 1987
at the age of 16.
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There was
no National Insurance number.
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There were no medical records.
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There was nothing.
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-The door was opened
by Rose West.
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"We have a search warrant
to search the garden
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for the body
of your daughter Heather."
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Rose's reply was,
"Well, you can fuck off."
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She had dark hair.
She wore large spectacles.
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She was slightly overweight,
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and she was wearing
a negligee and bedroom slippers.
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Bearing in mind,
this is early afternoon.
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We walked through
to the back garden,
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and when I say garden, it was
more a really large patio.
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[ Upbeat music plays ]
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-* From the Cotswolds
to the...*
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[ Singing indistinctly ]
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-I was the news editor
of a local radio station...
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Severn Sound.
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It was a radio station
that people were fond of
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because they like to know
what's going on locally.
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My relationship with
the Gloucester police
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was probably one of the best
in the country
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as a journalist.
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I had the sort of contacts
that people would die for.
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[ Pager beeping ]
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I'd not long
finished reading the news
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and my pager went off.
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It said,
"Police are searching for
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a missing girl
at Cromwell Street."
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I went straight down
to see what was going on.
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I was skeptical about what
they were gonna find there
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because it just seemed
a happy place.
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I went to his
next-door neighbor.
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"Well, come on in," he says.
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"Have a cup of tea."
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And I said to him,
"They're looking for
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a young girl who's gone missing
from next door.
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They think the person there
may have done it."
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And that's when I first
found out his name was Fred.
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He said, "Fred?
No, he's a lovely man.
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Wouldn't harm a fly."
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-Fred was well-liked
in Cromwell Street.
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A lot of people thought
he was a good lad.
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He was the odd-job man
they would turn to
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if they needed
something doing at home.
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-It's 8:00.
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Good morning, I'm Gordon...
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I went back
and put a bulletin together.
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It was obviously
the lead story...
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and as soon
as that bulletin went out,
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the newsroom phone
wouldn't stop ringing
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with the local paper saying,
"How do you know this?"
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I had no idea this would become
the biggest story of my career.
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[ Telephones ringing ]
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-The general feeling was
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if you're gonna bury
a body there,
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it's more likely to be
at the back of the garden
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than towards the house,
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so we started lifting slabs
from the back.
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Rose was inside the house.
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She would come and go,
watching what we were doing.
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Then by about 4:30,
it got dark.
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A police guard was put on
the premises, and we went home.
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**
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-Fred West is about
a dozen miles away working.
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He doesn't actually arrive
back in Cromwell Street
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until after 6:00,
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and then agrees
to go to the police station.
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Police made Fred aware
of the family joke
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about Heather being
under the patio,
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and he said, "That's nonsense.
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Surely, you don't believe that."
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All arrogance.
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-His answer was,
"Well, she just cleared off."
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She'd gone to work
in a holiday camp
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in another part of the country.
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She didn't leave
any forwarding address.
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That's the sort of child
she was, he said.
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-Fred returns home
to Cromwell Street.
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There's been no charge.
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They found nothing.
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[ Jackhammer whirring ]
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-When we returned
the following morning,
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we carried on lifting up slabs
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and cutting through
the concrete.
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Fred and Rose were both around.
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We could see them
looking through the windows.
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They were extremely interested
in what was going on.
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**
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-My name is Steve Scott.
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My news editor and I agreed
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that it was a story
that was worth investigating.
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You never know
where it might end up,
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and boy, did we not know
where it was gonna end up.
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**
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Police began excavating here
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when information was passed
to them by a teenage girl.
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She told them clues to the
disappearance of Heather West
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were lying
beneath the paving stones.
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-On that Friday,
while we were digging,
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two detectives came down
to the house,
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and a short while later,
they left with Fred.
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We were then told
that Fred had been arrested.
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-Fred was a petty thief.
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Small-time informant,
well-known to the police.
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Packs what he calls
his prison kit,
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which includes a cigarette tin
with roll-ups in it.
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**
260
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-My name is Howard Ogden.
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I represent people
who have been arrested
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and are in police custody.
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My office had been in touch
and said,
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"Fred West has been arrested
in connection with
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the suspected murder of Heather,
his daughter."
266
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So I rang through
to the custody suite,
267
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and Fred was put on the phone.
268
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And I gave him what would be
the time-honored,
269
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traditional
defense lawyer's advice --
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to shut the fuck up
until I get there.
271
00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:26,199
To which he replied, "Well,
I've already admitted it."
272
00:14:26,232 --> 00:14:28,935
-I think when Fred
was watching us,
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he realized that we weren't
274
00:14:30,437 --> 00:14:33,940
just gonna dig a hole
here and there and then go away,
275
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so he admitted
to killing his daughter.
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**
277
00:14:38,978 --> 00:14:43,216
-Fred confessed that
he killed Heather in a rage...
278
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and buried her
in the back garden.
279
00:14:46,019 --> 00:14:49,222
**
280
00:14:49,255 --> 00:14:53,026
-Everyone was absolutely amazed.
281
00:14:53,059 --> 00:14:56,096
-What kind of a father
murders his daughter?
282
00:14:56,129 --> 00:14:58,064
That's just sick.
283
00:14:58,098 --> 00:14:59,566
-When Rose was told that Fred
284
00:14:59,599 --> 00:15:01,434
had confessed
to killing Heather,
285
00:15:01,468 --> 00:15:04,971
she said Fred had told her that
Heather had run away from home.
286
00:15:05,005 --> 00:15:07,507
She said, "If I get my hands
on him, I'll kill him."
287
00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:14,547
**
288
00:15:17,283 --> 00:15:18,485
**
289
00:15:18,518 --> 00:15:21,254
-The police smuggled him
into the garden
290
00:15:21,287 --> 00:15:24,424
disguised in a boiler suit
291
00:15:24,457 --> 00:15:26,526
to avoid
the attentions of the press,
292
00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:29,596
who by now had become aware
that something was going on.
293
00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:31,564
**
294
00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:35,268
-Fred arrives
handcuffed to a police officer,
295
00:15:35,301 --> 00:15:38,271
and he says, "You're digging
in the wrong place.
296
00:15:38,304 --> 00:15:41,274
You need to dig
in this location."
297
00:15:41,307 --> 00:15:44,044
Fred was more relaxed
than I would have expected.
298
00:15:44,077 --> 00:15:46,112
He didn't seem to be
particularly worried,
299
00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:47,414
and he was quite happy
to indicate
300
00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:49,416
where we would find
the body of Heather.
301
00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:52,519
**
302
00:15:52,552 --> 00:15:55,522
We were expecting to just simply
dig down there and find her,
303
00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:57,457
but we didn't find her.
304
00:15:57,490 --> 00:15:59,592
And it was very frustrating
because we thought,
305
00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:01,628
"Well, is he telling the truth?"
306
00:16:01,661 --> 00:16:05,065
[ Siren wails in distance ]
307
00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:11,304
**
308
00:16:11,338 --> 00:16:16,576
-By the middle of Saturday,
Fred changes his story again.
309
00:16:16,609 --> 00:16:18,645
"No, no, I was lying.
310
00:16:18,678 --> 00:16:21,481
Heather's actually in Bahrain,
311
00:16:21,514 --> 00:16:23,616
and she's working
for a drug dealer.
312
00:16:23,650 --> 00:16:26,219
And she has a Mercedes."
313
00:16:26,252 --> 00:16:28,588
It's a wonderful
piece of fantasy,
314
00:16:28,621 --> 00:16:31,391
but nevertheless,
he maintains it.
315
00:16:31,424 --> 00:16:34,494
And so he says,
"No, nothing to do with me.
316
00:16:34,527 --> 00:16:35,695
I didn't do anything."
317
00:16:35,729 --> 00:16:43,036
**
318
00:16:45,672 --> 00:16:48,508
-Whatever Fred was saying
could not be relied upon.
319
00:16:48,541 --> 00:16:51,077
**
320
00:16:51,111 --> 00:16:54,114
And so we had to find a body.
321
00:16:54,147 --> 00:16:56,082
We had eight members
of the team lifting slabs
322
00:16:56,116 --> 00:16:59,419
and cutting down through the
concrete in different places.
323
00:16:59,452 --> 00:17:01,354
The first thing you know about
324
00:17:01,388 --> 00:17:04,391
when you're getting
close to a body is the smell --
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00:17:04,424 --> 00:17:07,660
a very, very strong,
acrid smell
326
00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:10,697
that comes from
the decomposing flesh.
327
00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:13,366
Once you smelt it,
you never forget it.
328
00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,138
Finally, one of the team
found a bone sticking out...
329
00:17:18,171 --> 00:17:21,207
right at the top of the soil,
just underneath the slab.
330
00:17:21,241 --> 00:17:26,913
**
331
00:17:26,946 --> 00:17:30,383
So at that point, they called in
the home office pathologist,
332
00:17:30,417 --> 00:17:32,552
Bernard Knight, and he said,
333
00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:36,723
"Yes, that is definitely a
human bone from a young female."
334
00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:41,561
**
335
00:17:41,594 --> 00:17:44,531
The next thing we found
was a human skull.
336
00:17:44,564 --> 00:17:49,402
We then found human leg bones...
337
00:17:49,436 --> 00:17:53,506
and the rest of the bones were
scattered around in that area.
338
00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:56,309
It was clear that the body
had been dismembered.
339
00:17:56,343 --> 00:17:59,746
The whole team
were very shocked.
340
00:17:59,779 --> 00:18:03,149
-Police have found
Heather's body...
341
00:18:03,183 --> 00:18:05,585
but there's an issue.
342
00:18:05,618 --> 00:18:08,488
-Professor Bernard Knight
knew what he was talking about.
343
00:18:08,521 --> 00:18:10,457
He said,
"We are either looking at
344
00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:12,559
the world's first
three-legged woman,
345
00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:14,961
or there's another body
around here somewhere."
346
00:18:14,994 --> 00:18:17,263
I thought we were looking for
the body of one girl.
347
00:18:17,297 --> 00:18:21,968
I had no idea it was gonna turn
into a mass-murder inquiry.
348
00:18:22,002 --> 00:18:27,474
**
349
00:18:32,512 --> 00:18:34,948
**
350
00:18:34,981 --> 00:18:36,516
--The remains taken away earlier
351
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:38,618
are now being examined
by a pathologist.
352
00:18:38,651 --> 00:18:40,620
Forces across the country
have been alerted
353
00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:42,622
to check
their missing-persons files,
354
00:18:42,655 --> 00:18:45,191
as detectives refuse to rule out
the possibility
355
00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:46,659
of finding more bodies.
356
00:18:46,693 --> 00:18:53,867
**
357
00:18:55,535 --> 00:19:01,508
-The initial interview with Fred
will never be forgotten.
358
00:19:01,541 --> 00:19:03,677
You couldn't have made it up.
359
00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:10,717
**
360
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,191
**
361
00:19:27,434 --> 00:19:31,705
**
362
00:19:31,738 --> 00:19:35,241
-There was West
describing killing his daughter
363
00:19:35,275 --> 00:19:38,044
in the most matter-of-fact,
banal way.
364
00:19:38,078 --> 00:19:39,946
"Oh, I think I might have used
that knife from the --
365
00:19:39,979 --> 00:19:41,281
I'm not sure I did.
366
00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:42,716
Anyway, what I did was I,
367
00:19:42,749 --> 00:19:49,923
you know, disarticulated
her legs and cut off her head."
368
00:19:49,956 --> 00:19:54,027
Wasn't said with any...venom.
369
00:20:09,976 --> 00:20:15,448
-You immediately saw darkness
in Fred because of his eyes.
370
00:20:15,482 --> 00:20:18,084
They were emotionless.
371
00:20:18,118 --> 00:20:22,722
The account that he gave that
it was all okay, really,
372
00:20:22,756 --> 00:20:28,328
because he had closed her eyes,
a nice, fatherly thing to do
373
00:20:28,361 --> 00:20:31,431
if you're going to
murder your daughter.
374
00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:37,303
As a defense lawyer, you do
your utmost not to be fazed,
375
00:20:37,337 --> 00:20:40,040
not to show it on your face,
376
00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:43,977
but nonetheless,
it was utterly chilling.
377
00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:46,613
**
378
00:20:46,646 --> 00:20:50,016
-I never thought that Fred
was capable of anything
379
00:20:50,050 --> 00:20:52,419
as heinous as what he'd done
with Heather.
380
00:20:52,452 --> 00:20:55,021
It hurts.
381
00:20:55,055 --> 00:20:57,457
**
382
00:20:57,490 --> 00:21:00,026
-One of the most
remarkable moments
383
00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:03,730
is when he's told
they found three thigh bones.
384
00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:06,766
"Now, Heather didn't have
three legs, did she, Fred?
385
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,601
Who's the other body?"
386
00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:10,770
-"Oh. Shirley."
387
00:21:10,804 --> 00:21:13,340
**
388
00:21:13,373 --> 00:21:14,574
-"Shirley who?"
389
00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:16,343
-"Shirley Robinson,"
390
00:21:16,376 --> 00:21:18,578
the one that caused
all the trouble."
391
00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:25,618
**
392
00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:32,625
**
393
00:21:32,659 --> 00:21:34,160
-Shirley was a lodger
in the house.
394
00:21:34,194 --> 00:21:36,162
She was in the room
below myself.
395
00:21:36,196 --> 00:21:39,099
I think she was about 18, 19.
396
00:21:39,132 --> 00:21:41,501
She was a beautiful person.
397
00:21:41,534 --> 00:21:44,404
**
398
00:21:44,437 --> 00:21:49,042
Had many a nights up giggling
like two little schoolgirls,
399
00:21:49,075 --> 00:21:54,681
laughing about makeup, music,
things that we liked.
400
00:21:54,714 --> 00:21:56,683
**
401
00:21:56,716 --> 00:21:58,818
She was my best friend.
402
00:21:58,852 --> 00:22:04,524
**
403
00:22:04,557 --> 00:22:07,827
-My friend's dad had
two houses on Cromwell Street,
404
00:22:07,861 --> 00:22:09,662
so I practically grew up
on Cromwell Street.
405
00:22:09,696 --> 00:22:11,531
I'd always be there.
406
00:22:11,564 --> 00:22:15,535
I met Shirley probably as soon
as she came on the street.
407
00:22:15,568 --> 00:22:18,538
She was about
three years older than me,
408
00:22:18,571 --> 00:22:20,140
and I just had a crush on her.
409
00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:21,841
She was lovely.
410
00:22:21,875 --> 00:22:24,444
I can remember asking friends
on the street,
411
00:22:24,477 --> 00:22:25,845
"Have you seen Shirley lately?"
412
00:22:25,879 --> 00:22:27,180
And they said, "No.
413
00:22:27,213 --> 00:22:29,716
We just thought she'd moved on."
414
00:22:29,749 --> 00:22:33,687
-Shirley was in some ways
Rose's double.
415
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,422
She was the same height,
the same build.
416
00:22:35,455 --> 00:22:37,724
She had the same haircut.
417
00:22:37,757 --> 00:22:39,859
I'd been there
about eight months,
418
00:22:39,893 --> 00:22:41,561
and one day, I said to Shirley,
419
00:22:41,594 --> 00:22:43,196
"Oh, put a bit of weight
on there, girl."
420
00:22:43,229 --> 00:22:45,098
She said, "No,
I'm actually pregnant."
421
00:22:45,131 --> 00:22:49,436
I went, "Okay," and it came
about in a conversation that...
422
00:22:49,469 --> 00:22:52,739
the dad was Fred.
423
00:22:52,772 --> 00:22:56,142
-Fred's explanation for Shirley
causing all the problems
424
00:22:56,176 --> 00:22:58,745
was that she'd
fallen in love with him
425
00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:01,848
and had photographs of
the two of them taken together.
426
00:23:01,881 --> 00:23:04,584
[ Camera shutter clicks ]
427
00:23:04,617 --> 00:23:09,489
And she thought she was gonna be
the next Mrs. West,
428
00:23:09,522 --> 00:23:11,925
and, well,
couldn't let that happen.
429
00:23:11,958 --> 00:23:14,761
"I'm devoted to Rose.
I really am."
430
00:23:14,794 --> 00:23:18,198
And so she had to be terminated.
431
00:23:18,231 --> 00:23:24,871
**
432
00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:27,607
-Every day, more details emerge
about the bodies
433
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,277
found under the patio
at number 25 Cromwell Street.
434
00:23:31,311 --> 00:23:33,279
This is the face
of the second woman named,
435
00:23:33,313 --> 00:23:35,181
18-year-old Shirley Robinson,
436
00:23:35,215 --> 00:23:38,952
a lodger at the house
and heavily pregnant.
437
00:23:38,985 --> 00:23:41,187
-When I heard
they'd found Shirley, as well,
438
00:23:41,221 --> 00:23:42,956
I was absolutely devastated.
439
00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:45,625
It was like being hit by a bus.
440
00:23:45,658 --> 00:23:47,794
**
441
00:23:47,827 --> 00:23:50,196
-When we found Shirley's body,
442
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:54,300
we found the remains
of the unborn child, as well.
443
00:23:54,334 --> 00:23:59,239
**
444
00:23:59,272 --> 00:24:00,640
The baby had been removed
445
00:24:00,674 --> 00:24:02,742
and dismembered
prior to being buried.
446
00:24:02,776 --> 00:24:05,178
**
447
00:24:05,211 --> 00:24:07,514
I remember one of my colleagues
made the comment,
448
00:24:07,547 --> 00:24:08,982
"What a bastard he must be,"
449
00:24:09,015 --> 00:24:11,518
because that took it to
a different level of depravity
450
00:24:11,551 --> 00:24:13,219
to do something like that,
451
00:24:13,253 --> 00:24:15,722
especially when
this is your own child.
452
00:24:15,755 --> 00:24:18,958
**
453
00:24:18,992 --> 00:24:21,928
-Rose was separated from Fred,
of course, by this point,
454
00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:26,232
and she'd been
interviewed repeatedly.
455
00:24:26,266 --> 00:24:30,203
When Rose was questioned
about Shirley Robinson,
456
00:24:30,236 --> 00:24:33,573
she said she didn't know
anything about her.
457
00:24:33,606 --> 00:24:35,575
Cromwell Street
had a lot of lodgers,
458
00:24:35,608 --> 00:24:37,811
and Rose's persistence
was always that,
459
00:24:37,844 --> 00:24:39,245
"Well, there were so many people
coming and going,
460
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:41,247
I didn't know
who they all were."
461
00:24:41,281 --> 00:24:43,249
**
462
00:24:43,283 --> 00:24:45,852
Fred continued
to be interviewed.
463
00:24:45,885 --> 00:24:47,854
And then he says,
"Well, there's, um,
464
00:24:47,887 --> 00:24:51,858
there's a -- there's a third
body in the garden."
465
00:24:51,891 --> 00:24:53,693
Shirley's mate.
466
00:24:53,727 --> 00:24:56,563
**
467
00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:58,298
-Fred would describe her
468
00:24:58,331 --> 00:25:01,868
as a friend of Shirley
who came looking for her.
469
00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:03,069
-I was gobsmacked.
470
00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:05,238
The bodies just kept on coming.
471
00:25:05,271 --> 00:25:08,308
First, there was two,
then there were three.
472
00:25:08,341 --> 00:25:11,244
We just kept thinking,
"When will this ever stop?"
473
00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:14,581
**
474
00:25:14,614 --> 00:25:18,585
-The moment we discovered
that it wasn't just Heather West
475
00:25:18,618 --> 00:25:20,253
that was buried
under that patio,
476
00:25:20,286 --> 00:25:23,890
the world's media descended
on Cromwell Street,
477
00:25:23,923 --> 00:25:27,260
hundreds and hundreds of them,
and I'm not exaggerating.
478
00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:31,031
[ Camera shutters clicking ]
479
00:25:31,064 --> 00:25:36,870
The tabloid press in the UK in
the '90s were all very powerful.
480
00:25:36,903 --> 00:25:39,072
There was this
cutthroat atmosphere
481
00:25:39,105 --> 00:25:40,874
that operated between them.
482
00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:43,410
They would be out
to get the biggest story,
483
00:25:43,443 --> 00:25:44,744
the biggest front page.
484
00:25:44,778 --> 00:25:47,614
They would do anything
to make sure
485
00:25:47,647 --> 00:25:50,750
that their paper
sold more than the others.
486
00:25:50,784 --> 00:25:53,920
The competition involved
great journalism,
487
00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:58,291
but sometimes,
it involved money.
488
00:25:58,324 --> 00:26:01,661
-Anyone who had any connection
with the Wests
489
00:26:01,695 --> 00:26:03,797
instantly became fodder
for the tabloid press.
490
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:06,933
"We will bid more for your story
if you'd only tell us,
491
00:26:06,966 --> 00:26:09,436
or we'll pay you more
than they'll pay you."
492
00:26:09,469 --> 00:26:12,305
It became a feeding frenzy.
493
00:26:12,339 --> 00:26:15,642
-You could quite easily
make £10,000.
494
00:26:15,675 --> 00:26:17,110
Whether it was true or not,
495
00:26:17,143 --> 00:26:19,913
it doesn't really matter
if you're a tabloid newspaper.
496
00:26:19,946 --> 00:26:23,016
It was more about
sensationalizing a story.
497
00:26:23,049 --> 00:26:26,453
The eyes of the world
were on Gloucester.
498
00:26:26,486 --> 00:26:32,125
**
499
00:26:32,158 --> 00:26:37,063
-This was a huge case
for a small police force.
500
00:26:37,097 --> 00:26:40,133
What was the truth,
and what was a story?
501
00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:42,969
The police were trying
to slow down the investigation
502
00:26:43,003 --> 00:26:45,972
because their instinct was,
"This is going too quickly.
503
00:26:46,006 --> 00:26:47,807
We're gonna miss something.
We've got to be careful.
504
00:26:47,841 --> 00:26:49,976
We've got to get this right."
505
00:26:50,010 --> 00:26:57,017
**
506
00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:02,489
-My name is Paul Britton.
507
00:27:02,522 --> 00:27:05,392
In 1994, I was the head of
508
00:27:05,425 --> 00:27:08,695
the Regional Forensic
Psychology Service.
509
00:27:08,728 --> 00:27:10,864
Gloucestershire Police
wanted my help
510
00:27:10,897 --> 00:27:12,899
to make sense
of what had happened,
511
00:27:12,932 --> 00:27:15,902
and in particular,
to help them to talk to,
512
00:27:15,935 --> 00:27:18,705
to unravel, Mr. Fred West.
513
00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:21,508
They had a man
who was affable, friendly,
514
00:27:21,541 --> 00:27:23,510
who liked being with them,
515
00:27:23,543 --> 00:27:28,014
and that did not sit easily with
the remains of three young women
516
00:27:28,048 --> 00:27:30,850
that had been dismembered
and decapitated.
517
00:27:30,884 --> 00:27:35,722
**
518
00:27:35,755 --> 00:27:38,858
I was able to build
a clearer picture of Fred
519
00:27:38,892 --> 00:27:41,127
from his background.
520
00:27:41,161 --> 00:27:44,030
If I'm psychologically
profiling someone,
521
00:27:44,064 --> 00:27:46,766
I have a number
of questions that are key.
522
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,201
The first question,
"Who are you?"
523
00:27:48,234 --> 00:27:52,205
is usually the one that
the police are interested in.
524
00:27:52,238 --> 00:27:56,042
The second one,
"How did you come to be there?"
525
00:27:56,076 --> 00:28:00,146
helps me to give the police
a strategy
526
00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:03,416
of how this person
functions and operates.
527
00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:10,457
**
528
00:28:13,293 --> 00:28:15,495
**
529
00:28:15,528 --> 00:28:19,165
-Fred was born in 1941.
530
00:28:19,199 --> 00:28:22,802
His father was a farm laborer,
531
00:28:22,836 --> 00:28:26,539
and his mother
had been a live-in maid.
532
00:28:26,573 --> 00:28:29,809
His father got up early
to milk the cows, 4:30.
533
00:28:29,843 --> 00:28:35,448
It was a house
used to hard work, manual labor.
534
00:28:35,482 --> 00:28:39,219
They were very much
living in the past.
535
00:28:39,252 --> 00:28:41,454
**
536
00:28:41,488 --> 00:28:44,057
-Frederick West
in his early days
537
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:46,192
was exposed to several factors
538
00:28:46,226 --> 00:28:49,496
which would definitely
feed into his later choices.
539
00:28:49,529 --> 00:28:51,931
He watched his mother,
for example,
540
00:28:51,965 --> 00:28:54,801
slaughtering farmyard animals.
541
00:28:54,834 --> 00:28:59,105
He knew that his father had a
disregard for women in general.
542
00:28:59,139 --> 00:29:02,609
They were there
to be used as needed.
543
00:29:02,642 --> 00:29:05,512
West was introduced to sex
at a very early age.
544
00:29:05,545 --> 00:29:07,247
It was almost a rite of passage.
545
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,949
Fred said he was taken to bed
by his mother
546
00:29:09,983 --> 00:29:12,252
pretty much as soon as
he'd reached puberty.
547
00:29:12,285 --> 00:29:14,220
**
548
00:29:14,254 --> 00:29:18,224
That's very hard to imagine
in the modern world.
549
00:29:18,258 --> 00:29:21,261
It instilled in him the sense
that a mother
550
00:29:21,294 --> 00:29:23,196
was entitled
to break in her children,
551
00:29:23,229 --> 00:29:24,831
and a father
was equally entitled
552
00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:26,966
to break in his daughters.
553
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:34,007
**
554
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:38,845
**
555
00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:41,147
-The police wanted to get
as much information
556
00:29:41,181 --> 00:29:44,284
while Fred was talking
as they possibly could
557
00:29:44,317 --> 00:29:46,986
because they didn't know
when he would stop.
558
00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:50,590
**
559
00:29:50,623 --> 00:29:54,027
-Fred had to be guarded 24/7.
560
00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:55,995
Sooner or later,
my number came up,
561
00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:58,998
and I was asked to go in
for eight hours.
562
00:29:59,032 --> 00:30:01,167
It was quite
a surreal experience.
563
00:30:01,201 --> 00:30:04,571
We watched "The Dam Busters"
and "The Great Escape."
564
00:30:04,604 --> 00:30:06,873
He was getting really worked up
whether Steve McQueen
565
00:30:06,906 --> 00:30:09,676
would actually jump the fence
on his motorbike.
566
00:30:09,709 --> 00:30:11,277
At times, I had to pinch myself.
567
00:30:11,311 --> 00:30:14,948
On the one hand,
he's a sadistic murderer.
568
00:30:14,981 --> 00:30:16,583
On the other hand,
569
00:30:16,616 --> 00:30:18,885
he's a chappie who can
sit with me for eight hours
570
00:30:18,918 --> 00:30:22,022
playing dominoes
and enjoying watching films.
571
00:30:22,055 --> 00:30:25,925
**
572
00:30:25,959 --> 00:30:31,097
-Fred could entice you
into this spell that he wove.
573
00:30:31,131 --> 00:30:33,033
If you look at
any pictures of West
574
00:30:33,066 --> 00:30:35,602
with a prison officer
or a policeman,
575
00:30:35,635 --> 00:30:37,337
they're often laughing.
576
00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:41,608
-I had to remind the police
that this man is a psychopath.
577
00:30:41,641 --> 00:30:46,346
This is a man for whom
other people don't exist
578
00:30:46,379 --> 00:30:48,081
in the real world.
579
00:30:48,114 --> 00:30:50,383
They don't have feelings.
580
00:30:50,417 --> 00:30:52,719
They don't have rights.
581
00:30:52,752 --> 00:30:55,055
And then, the question
was asked of me,
582
00:30:55,088 --> 00:30:57,924
"Well, why are these girls
buried in the garden?"
583
00:30:57,957 --> 00:30:59,392
And my answer is, sadly,
584
00:30:59,426 --> 00:31:03,029
because the house was already
full of other bodies.
585
00:31:03,063 --> 00:31:07,067
**
586
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:10,637
-And tonight, a chilling
prediction from the man
587
00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:12,405
leading the investigation.
588
00:31:12,439 --> 00:31:14,641
-I have reason to believe
589
00:31:14,674 --> 00:31:18,611
that there may be
other remains in the area,
590
00:31:18,645 --> 00:31:20,647
but I am not in this position
at this time
591
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,083
to explain that further.
592
00:31:23,116 --> 00:31:30,123
**
593
00:31:30,657 --> 00:31:34,694
-Is it possible
there were more victims?
594
00:31:34,728 --> 00:31:36,963
Inevitably...
595
00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:39,466
their attention turned to
the cellar of Cromwell Street.
596
00:31:39,499 --> 00:31:46,639
**
597
00:31:49,142 --> 00:31:51,711
-One night,
I remember Fred said,
598
00:31:51,745 --> 00:31:54,681
"Hey, come and have a look
at what I've done."
599
00:31:54,714 --> 00:31:57,150
So off I went down the steps
600
00:31:57,183 --> 00:32:00,253
into this very dark,
dank cellar.
601
00:32:00,286 --> 00:32:03,156
It straightaway
put my hackles up.
602
00:32:03,189 --> 00:32:05,125
It seemed to stretch
the whole of the house
603
00:32:05,158 --> 00:32:07,394
and half the width of the house.
604
00:32:07,427 --> 00:32:10,697
Fred said, "I've decorated
the cellar for the children."
605
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:12,298
He'd painted it.
606
00:32:12,332 --> 00:32:16,236
He'd done graffiti of cowboys
and hearts on the walls.
607
00:32:16,269 --> 00:32:19,806
There were some toys
in the corner, and it smelled.
608
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:21,307
It was damp. It was dark.
609
00:32:21,341 --> 00:32:23,143
It was miserable.
610
00:32:23,176 --> 00:32:25,011
**
611
00:32:25,045 --> 00:32:27,247
And I went, "Lovely.
612
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,449
I really need to go up now
because I'm claustrophobic."
613
00:32:29,482 --> 00:32:32,318
And that was my tour
of the cellar
614
00:32:32,352 --> 00:32:36,022
that absolutely freaked me out.
615
00:32:36,056 --> 00:32:41,327
**
616
00:32:41,361 --> 00:32:43,163
-Fred was not stupid.
617
00:32:43,196 --> 00:32:46,332
He knew that the game was up,
618
00:32:46,366 --> 00:32:50,737
and it's important that if you
are accepting of the situation,
619
00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:56,476
that you make sure that
those investigating are aware.
620
00:32:56,509 --> 00:33:03,516
**
621
00:33:06,219 --> 00:33:09,489
"I, Frederick West...
622
00:33:09,522 --> 00:33:13,493
authorize my solicitor,
Howard Ogden,
623
00:33:13,526 --> 00:33:20,066
to advise Superintendent Bennett
that I wish to admit
624
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:25,071
to a further
approx nine killings.
625
00:33:25,105 --> 00:33:31,244
**
626
00:33:34,481 --> 00:33:38,485
**
627
00:33:38,518 --> 00:33:41,554
-When the Sunday Mirror
newspaper broke the story
628
00:33:41,588 --> 00:33:44,324
of the number of victims
buried inside Cromwell Street,
629
00:33:44,357 --> 00:33:47,160
they coined the phrase
"House of Horrors."
630
00:33:47,193 --> 00:33:49,129
[ Camera shutter clicks ]
631
00:33:49,162 --> 00:33:50,897
It was a perfect phrase.
632
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:53,166
It draws you into the story,
633
00:33:53,199 --> 00:33:55,168
and as a result,
25 Cromwell Street
634
00:33:55,201 --> 00:33:58,338
became known as the House
of Horrors all over the world.
635
00:33:58,371 --> 00:34:01,141
**
636
00:34:01,174 --> 00:34:03,543
-The feeling in Gloucester
was red-hot.
637
00:34:03,576 --> 00:34:07,313
Everyone was talking about it --
in the pubs,
638
00:34:07,347 --> 00:34:09,349
in the shops, everywhere.
639
00:34:09,382 --> 00:34:10,884
-It's just
thoroughly disgusting.
640
00:34:10,917 --> 00:34:12,352
I mean,
it's horrifying to think.
641
00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:13,586
-Totally shocking,
642
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:15,321
especially around,
you know, in Gloucester.
643
00:34:15,355 --> 00:34:17,457
I mean, you wouldn't
expect this to happen.
644
00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:19,626
-The staff
on the local newspaper
645
00:34:19,659 --> 00:34:24,264
are trying to convey the mood
of a community in disbelief.
646
00:34:24,297 --> 00:34:25,665
-It was a shocker
for the police,
647
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:28,234
and it was a shocker
for everyone else on the story.
648
00:34:28,268 --> 00:34:30,303
It was a complete revelation.
649
00:34:30,337 --> 00:34:32,472
-Who are these girls
that he's killed?
650
00:34:32,505 --> 00:34:34,908
How did they come
to Cromwell Street?
651
00:34:34,941 --> 00:34:37,310
Did they go there voluntarily?
652
00:34:37,344 --> 00:34:39,346
There were so many questions
that were flashing
653
00:34:39,379 --> 00:34:42,349
through your mind
about what he was admitting.
654
00:34:42,382 --> 00:34:45,218
You just didn't know
where to start, almost.
655
00:34:45,251 --> 00:34:52,258
**
656
00:34:53,993 --> 00:34:57,964
-He went into a sort of trance,
as if he was at a seance.
657
00:34:57,997 --> 00:35:00,266
He wasn't connecting
with the world anymore.
658
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:03,436
He was in his own
bizarre universe,
659
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:06,539
and he would describe,
"Oh, that's the Worcester girl,"
660
00:35:06,573 --> 00:35:08,274
or, "That's the Dutch girl."
661
00:35:08,308 --> 00:35:14,214
-He said that the girls
were entering into his soul.
662
00:35:14,247 --> 00:35:18,551
In Fred's sick mind,
he was concerned
663
00:35:18,585 --> 00:35:23,356
that they shouldn't flee because
they were about to be revealed,
664
00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:28,395
but Fred was specific
and accurate
665
00:35:28,428 --> 00:35:33,333
as to where
the police should dig.
666
00:35:33,366 --> 00:35:36,403
-The people who were there
that day with him
667
00:35:36,436 --> 00:35:39,939
found it very creepy, indeed,
very eerie.
668
00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:43,777
He was describing women
who he'd killed and buried
669
00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:46,279
in the cellar of his own house.
670
00:35:46,312 --> 00:35:51,217
-This is where these young girls
were destroyed.
671
00:35:51,251 --> 00:35:54,721
West is able
to re-experience it.
672
00:35:54,754 --> 00:35:57,724
People with him
will not understand
673
00:35:57,757 --> 00:35:59,592
what it is that's happening.
674
00:35:59,626 --> 00:36:03,430
There will be all sorts
of mystical interpretation,
675
00:36:03,463 --> 00:36:05,465
but it's not that at all.
676
00:36:05,498 --> 00:36:11,404
It's simply the wild animal
re-experiencing its kill.
677
00:36:11,438 --> 00:36:18,445
**
678
00:36:21,448 --> 00:36:25,452
**
679
00:36:25,485 --> 00:36:27,454
-Human remains found
in the cellar
680
00:36:27,487 --> 00:36:29,622
are carried away
for forensic examination,
681
00:36:29,656 --> 00:36:32,459
in what many detectives believe
will turn into Britain's
682
00:36:32,492 --> 00:36:35,328
biggest-ever
mass-murder investigation.
683
00:36:35,362 --> 00:36:37,464
**
684
00:36:37,497 --> 00:36:41,634
-When I was told what had
happened to some of the victims,
685
00:36:41,668 --> 00:36:43,803
it made me sick to the stomach.
686
00:36:43,837 --> 00:36:46,339
-When the bodies were found
in the basement,
687
00:36:46,373 --> 00:36:48,408
they had all been dismembered.
688
00:36:48,441 --> 00:36:49,776
There were nooses.
689
00:36:49,809 --> 00:36:53,646
One skull had been wrapped
in thick duct tape.
690
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,349
Obviously, these girls
had been tortured.
691
00:36:56,383 --> 00:37:00,320
**
692
00:37:00,353 --> 00:37:02,389
In the basement,
there were low beams,
693
00:37:02,422 --> 00:37:06,292
and in two of these beams,
some holes that had been drilled
694
00:37:06,326 --> 00:37:08,561
about two,
three inches in diameter.
695
00:37:08,595 --> 00:37:11,664
Fred said that he'd put a pole
through these holes,
696
00:37:11,698 --> 00:37:15,835
and with one of the victims,
he had hung her upside down
697
00:37:15,869 --> 00:37:19,105
with her ankles
tied to the pole.
698
00:37:19,139 --> 00:37:23,777
-Initially, bondage and the
restraining of the victim
699
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:26,680
is something that had
a functional value.
700
00:37:26,713 --> 00:37:30,684
If the girl is tied,
bound, incapacitated,
701
00:37:30,717 --> 00:37:33,586
then you can do
what you want to her.
702
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:38,725
Later, it became something
that was important in itself.
703
00:37:38,758 --> 00:37:42,696
The seeing of
the young woman's fear
704
00:37:42,729 --> 00:37:46,066
becomes more valuable
for Fred West
705
00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:48,702
than the sexual return itself.
706
00:37:48,735 --> 00:37:53,707
You're looking at a profound,
sexually sadistic killer.
707
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:56,543
-Various bones were missing.
708
00:37:56,576 --> 00:37:59,412
It's entirely possible
that Fred removed the kneecaps
709
00:37:59,446 --> 00:38:01,414
to prevent the girls moving.
710
00:38:01,448 --> 00:38:03,616
They weren't capable of walking.
711
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:07,554
He removed the fingers
and toes as trophies,
712
00:38:07,587 --> 00:38:12,726
so you have the dreadful task
of assembling the bodies
713
00:38:12,759 --> 00:38:15,862
of these young women,
who were all naked.
714
00:38:15,895 --> 00:38:17,163
All had been abused.
715
00:38:17,197 --> 00:38:20,133
All had been mutilated
and dismembered,
716
00:38:20,166 --> 00:38:22,469
and all of whom
had been buried...
717
00:38:22,502 --> 00:38:25,739
in what was supposed to be
a children's playroom.
718
00:38:25,772 --> 00:38:28,908
-This was a real
modern-day horror story.
719
00:38:28,942 --> 00:38:31,911
It was if you're gonna
keep finding bodies
720
00:38:31,945 --> 00:38:33,413
and it's never gonna stop.
721
00:38:33,446 --> 00:38:35,582
It just seemed to get worse
and worse.
722
00:38:35,615 --> 00:38:40,453
**
723
00:38:40,487 --> 00:38:42,589
-How could it be possible
724
00:38:42,622 --> 00:38:46,459
that these things were happening
in this cramped,
725
00:38:46,493 --> 00:38:48,928
little semi-detached house
in Gloucester,
726
00:38:48,962 --> 00:38:52,866
without Rose knowing
what was going on in the house?
727
00:38:52,899 --> 00:38:59,906
**
728
00:39:02,909 --> 00:39:06,780
**
729
00:39:06,813 --> 00:39:10,650
Rose is truculent, belligerent.
730
00:39:10,684 --> 00:39:12,619
She says, "Oh,
Fred does what he wants.
731
00:39:12,652 --> 00:39:14,487
I knew nothing about it.
I'm always busy.
732
00:39:14,521 --> 00:39:15,955
I was pregnant all the time."
733
00:39:15,989 --> 00:39:17,791
-She was quite in control
of herself,
734
00:39:17,824 --> 00:39:19,492
quite sure of herself,
735
00:39:19,526 --> 00:39:20,927
and at times,
quite verbally aggressive
736
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,195
in answering questions.
737
00:39:22,228 --> 00:39:24,764
In fact,
a few times, she actually swore.
738
00:39:24,798 --> 00:39:27,500
-The police decided
that they would put
739
00:39:27,534 --> 00:39:31,171
she and Stephen and Mae,
her eldest surviving children,
740
00:39:31,204 --> 00:39:32,772
in a safe house,
where she would remain
741
00:39:32,806 --> 00:39:35,642
while Fred was continued
to be interviewed,
742
00:39:35,675 --> 00:39:38,178
and they would bug
the safe house
743
00:39:38,211 --> 00:39:40,246
to see
if she would admit anything.
744
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,849
**
745
00:39:54,561 --> 00:39:57,263
-They had many, many hours
of taped conversations,
746
00:39:57,297 --> 00:39:59,199
but there was nothing
that they could use.
747
00:39:59,232 --> 00:40:03,236
-Apart from swearing profusely
almost all the time,
748
00:40:03,269 --> 00:40:06,039
Rose did not admit
one single thing
749
00:40:06,072 --> 00:40:08,675
in her period in the safe house.
750
00:40:08,708 --> 00:40:12,245
-Police in Gloucester
searching 25 Cromwell Street
751
00:40:12,278 --> 00:40:16,983
last night discovered yet
a further set of human remains.
752
00:40:17,017 --> 00:40:21,955
They were found in the bathroom
area on the ground floor.
753
00:40:21,988 --> 00:40:23,523
-The police have now established
754
00:40:23,556 --> 00:40:25,225
there are nine victims
in Cromwell Street,
755
00:40:25,258 --> 00:40:28,995
but Fred had confessed
to a further three victims.
756
00:40:29,029 --> 00:40:30,864
Where were they?
757
00:40:38,171 --> 00:40:39,039
-Detectives are now liaising
with colleagues
758
00:40:40,540 --> 00:40:41,708
in the north and in Scotland,
759
00:40:41,741 --> 00:40:43,510
trying to trace
Catherine Costello,
760
00:40:43,543 --> 00:40:44,944
Mr. West's first wife.
761
00:40:44,978 --> 00:40:47,747
Relatives haven't seen her
for 20 years.
762
00:40:47,781 --> 00:40:54,788
**
763
00:40:56,589 --> 00:40:58,792
-Before Fred met Rose,
764
00:40:58,825 --> 00:41:01,795
he was living with his
first wife, Rena Costello,
765
00:41:01,828 --> 00:41:04,998
and their two children,
Charmaine and Anna Marie,
766
00:41:05,031 --> 00:41:07,734
and a young woman from Scotland
called Anne McFall,
767
00:41:07,767 --> 00:41:12,072
who came to babysit
the children.
768
00:41:12,105 --> 00:41:15,642
-Fred confessed to killing
both Rena and Anne McFall
769
00:41:15,675 --> 00:41:17,977
and said he'd buried them
in fields near the village
770
00:41:18,011 --> 00:41:22,816
where he was born
and raised in Much Marcle.
771
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:26,886
-Fred claims Charmaine is
in the back of the car asleep
772
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,122
when he kills her mother, Rena.
773
00:41:29,155 --> 00:41:31,558
He doesn't know what to do
with this 8-year-old child,
774
00:41:31,591 --> 00:41:32,859
and so he takes her back
775
00:41:32,892 --> 00:41:34,994
to where they were then living
in Gloucester
776
00:41:35,028 --> 00:41:37,364
and kills her and buries her.
777
00:41:37,397 --> 00:41:40,567
**
778
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,169
-At Midland Road, they found
the body of Charmaine West,
779
00:41:43,203 --> 00:41:46,139
a daughter
by Mr. West's first marriage.
780
00:41:46,172 --> 00:41:48,575
**
781
00:41:48,608 --> 00:41:50,010
-Earlier today,
the search switched
782
00:41:50,043 --> 00:41:51,578
from inner-city Gloucester
783
00:41:51,611 --> 00:41:54,714
to open fields
near the village of Much Marcle.
784
00:41:54,748 --> 00:42:01,755
**
785
00:42:04,758 --> 00:42:06,726
**
786
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,396
-This was very early
in the morning
787
00:42:09,429 --> 00:42:13,600
in one of the most beautiful
places you can imagine,
788
00:42:13,633 --> 00:42:16,603
with a church bell ringing,
789
00:42:16,636 --> 00:42:20,173
with the daffodils
just coming out.
790
00:42:20,206 --> 00:42:25,612
Yet there we were with Fred
and a whole load of officers
791
00:42:25,645 --> 00:42:29,749
whose duty was gonna be to dig.
792
00:42:29,783 --> 00:42:36,056
-Fred pointed out where he
thought he'd buried Rena at...
793
00:42:36,089 --> 00:42:38,725
But of course, the landscape
had changed dramatically
794
00:42:38,758 --> 00:42:40,894
in the intervening 20 years.
795
00:42:40,927 --> 00:42:43,196
**
796
00:42:43,229 --> 00:42:47,033
It took them 12 days
to find Rena West's remains.
797
00:42:47,067 --> 00:42:51,137
It took them 55 days to find
the remains of Anne McFall,
798
00:42:51,171 --> 00:42:53,206
and by the time they'd finished,
799
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,778
they dug out roughly the size
of an Olympic swimming pool.
800
00:42:58,812 --> 00:43:02,048
-Yesterday evening,
they uncovered body number 12.
801
00:43:02,082 --> 00:43:04,184
Detectives won't comment
on speculation
802
00:43:04,217 --> 00:43:07,854
they belong to Anne McFall,
once Frederick West's nanny.
803
00:43:07,887 --> 00:43:09,789
**
804
00:43:09,823 --> 00:43:11,958
The home office pathologist,
Professor Bernard Knight,
805
00:43:11,991 --> 00:43:14,461
will again visit Cromwell Street
this afternoon,
806
00:43:14,494 --> 00:43:16,930
when he'll examine
the last set of remains
807
00:43:16,963 --> 00:43:19,099
where they were discovered.
808
00:43:19,132 --> 00:43:26,139
**
809
00:43:27,273 --> 00:43:31,244
-Because West had given
very little detail
810
00:43:31,277 --> 00:43:33,847
about who these girls were,
811
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,819
it was a very complex task
trying to identify them.
812
00:43:39,853 --> 00:43:41,821
They, of course,
inquired of others' forces
813
00:43:41,855 --> 00:43:43,490
about missing persons.
814
00:43:43,523 --> 00:43:45,959
They inquired of Interpol,
at one point,
815
00:43:45,992 --> 00:43:49,829
because Fred identified one of
the victims as "the Dutch girl."
816
00:43:49,863 --> 00:43:53,233
There was literally
a flood of information.
817
00:43:53,266 --> 00:43:57,837
-The inquiry was receiving calls
from all over the country,
818
00:43:57,871 --> 00:43:59,139
so there was
a huge amount of work
819
00:43:59,172 --> 00:44:02,142
with all these names coming up.
820
00:44:02,175 --> 00:44:05,278
-One of the people
that the police turned to
821
00:44:05,311 --> 00:44:10,316
was Dr. David Whittaker,
a forensic expert on dentistry,
822
00:44:10,350 --> 00:44:12,852
and that became
very significant.
823
00:44:12,886 --> 00:44:14,988
**
824
00:44:15,021 --> 00:44:17,991
-Dr. Whittaker had devised
and perfected a process
825
00:44:18,024 --> 00:44:21,995
whereby if he had
a skull with teeth
826
00:44:22,028 --> 00:44:24,864
and a photograph of the victim,
827
00:44:24,898 --> 00:44:29,369
then by superimposing
the photograph on the skull,
828
00:44:29,402 --> 00:44:35,542
he could confirm their identity,
and also, he was able to tell
829
00:44:35,575 --> 00:44:41,014
how old they were within a month
or so when they had died.
830
00:44:41,047 --> 00:44:44,951
-The police have got
literally a mountain of remains,
831
00:44:44,984 --> 00:44:46,920
and they've got photographs
of missing girls
832
00:44:46,953 --> 00:44:49,022
and they've got skulls.
833
00:44:49,055 --> 00:44:52,559
-Identifying these victims
took thousands of police hours.
834
00:44:52,592 --> 00:44:59,566
**
835
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,368
[ Camera shutter clicks ]
836
00:45:01,401 --> 00:45:04,204
-The first victim to be
identified was Lucy Partington,
837
00:45:04,237 --> 00:45:08,908
a student who had gone missing
in 1973, just after Christmas.
838
00:45:08,942 --> 00:45:13,346
-Over 100 police searched
the local parks and grounds.
839
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:15,782
There was a big poster campaign,
840
00:45:15,815 --> 00:45:17,584
a big campaign
through the media,
841
00:45:17,617 --> 00:45:19,919
but that came to nothing.
842
00:45:19,953 --> 00:45:22,155
**
843
00:45:22,188 --> 00:45:28,395
-It's 20 years now,
and clearly, if the last chapter
844
00:45:28,428 --> 00:45:31,164
could be written, as it were,
845
00:45:31,197 --> 00:45:36,236
it'd be slightly less of
a burden to have on our minds.
846
00:45:36,269 --> 00:45:43,276
**
847
00:45:45,979 --> 00:45:49,983
-Fred confessed that
he'd picked her up at a bus stop
848
00:45:50,016 --> 00:45:51,618
the day after Boxing Day.
849
00:45:51,651 --> 00:45:56,623
**
850
00:45:56,656 --> 00:45:58,091
-It was a bitterly cold night.
851
00:45:58,124 --> 00:46:00,126
She was waiting for a bus.
852
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,096
As it turned out,
the bus was 10 minutes late,
853
00:46:03,129 --> 00:46:08,835
and she was given a lift,
she thought, home.
854
00:46:08,868 --> 00:46:13,106
-Fred was convinced he was
a lothario, and he would brag.
855
00:46:13,139 --> 00:46:16,409
He claimed that they'd had
a rampant two-month affair.
856
00:46:16,443 --> 00:46:18,144
His explanation to the police
857
00:46:18,178 --> 00:46:22,282
was that he didn't want Rose
to find out about it,
858
00:46:22,315 --> 00:46:26,252
and so he killed her and
buried her in Cromwell Street.
859
00:46:26,286 --> 00:46:33,293
**
860
00:46:36,262 --> 00:46:37,897
**
861
00:46:37,931 --> 00:46:41,167
During the investigation,
the police discovered
862
00:46:41,201 --> 00:46:45,005
that West had gone
to A&E in Gloucester
863
00:46:45,038 --> 00:46:49,342
about a week after
Lucy Partington had disappeared.
864
00:46:49,376 --> 00:46:54,014
He had a severe cut
in his hand.
865
00:46:54,047 --> 00:46:57,017
Now, I'm not in any doubt that
that cut was a result of him
866
00:46:57,050 --> 00:47:00,153
dismembering
Lucy Partington's body.
867
00:47:00,186 --> 00:47:02,889
He must have kept
Lucy Partington alive
868
00:47:02,922 --> 00:47:05,892
for some time in the cellar
at Cromwell Street,
869
00:47:05,925 --> 00:47:07,894
probably immobile.
870
00:47:07,927 --> 00:47:11,164
May well been bound,
may well have been gagged.
871
00:47:11,197 --> 00:47:15,301
It's almost too awful
to contemplate
872
00:47:15,335 --> 00:47:16,469
what must have happened.
873
00:47:16,503 --> 00:47:20,206
It is...horrifying beyond words.
874
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:27,247
**
875
00:47:30,216 --> 00:47:32,919
**
876
00:47:32,952 --> 00:47:36,022
-Carol Ann Cooper, picked up
on the side of the road,
877
00:47:36,056 --> 00:47:39,192
killed in Cromwell Street.
878
00:47:39,225 --> 00:47:42,562
Therese Siegenthaler
was hitchhiking across Europe.
879
00:47:42,595 --> 00:47:44,197
Fred called her
"the Dutch girl."
880
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:47,734
In fact, she came
from Switzerland.
881
00:47:47,767 --> 00:47:50,370
Shirley Hubbard
was the youngest at 15,
882
00:47:50,403 --> 00:47:55,241
disappeared from a bus stop
in Worcester.
883
00:47:55,275 --> 00:48:00,113
-We now have hitchhikers
identified as victims...
884
00:48:00,146 --> 00:48:03,083
all buried while Fred
lived at Cromwell Street.
885
00:48:03,116 --> 00:48:06,386
**
886
00:48:06,419 --> 00:48:10,490
It becomes increasingly clear
that Fred has essentially
887
00:48:10,523 --> 00:48:16,129
been...trawling the streets
of Gloucestershire
888
00:48:16,162 --> 00:48:18,098
looking for victims.
889
00:48:18,131 --> 00:48:21,368
Fred was effectively
a poacher on the loose,
890
00:48:21,401 --> 00:48:26,406
looking for prey who could be
enticed back to Cromwell Street.
891
00:48:26,439 --> 00:48:30,477
Many were people who were on
the edge, the fringe of society.
892
00:48:30,510 --> 00:48:34,114
Not a lot of people
would come looking for them.
893
00:48:34,147 --> 00:48:37,417
Some of the girls
who became victims
894
00:48:37,450 --> 00:48:41,521
had been lodgers
in Cromwell Street.
895
00:48:41,554 --> 00:48:43,423
-Juanita Mott,
another local girl.
896
00:48:43,456 --> 00:48:45,425
We know that she went
to Cromwell Street.
897
00:48:45,458 --> 00:48:49,129
She disappeared
off the face of the earth.
898
00:48:49,162 --> 00:48:50,463
And Alison Chambers,
899
00:48:50,497 --> 00:48:53,299
who Fred described
as a friend of Shirley Robinson,
900
00:48:53,333 --> 00:48:55,402
who was, in fact, a lodger.
901
00:48:55,435 --> 00:48:58,271
Linda Gough --
Linda got to an age
902
00:48:58,304 --> 00:49:00,040
where she wanted
to spread her wings,
903
00:49:00,073 --> 00:49:02,275
told her parents that
she was working as a nanny
904
00:49:02,308 --> 00:49:04,411
with a nice family.
905
00:49:04,444 --> 00:49:06,279
When her mother
went to check on her,
906
00:49:06,312 --> 00:49:11,117
she saw Rose West wearing
some of Linda's clothes.
907
00:49:11,151 --> 00:49:14,454
It's inconceivable
that these girls could have been
908
00:49:14,487 --> 00:49:17,824
kept in that cellar
without Rose knowing.
909
00:49:17,857 --> 00:49:22,462
It's just beyond belief
that she was not involved.
910
00:49:22,495 --> 00:49:26,299
-There was always something to
weave all these girls together,
911
00:49:26,332 --> 00:49:30,603
and that one thing...
was Fred and Rose.
912
00:49:30,637 --> 00:49:32,172
**
913
00:49:35,275 --> 00:49:38,211
**
914
00:49:38,244 --> 00:49:41,381
-There were undoubtedly many
involved in the investigation
915
00:49:41,414 --> 00:49:46,119
who wanted Rose arrested
and charged, as well.
916
00:49:46,152 --> 00:49:47,654
-But Fred is still insisting
917
00:49:47,687 --> 00:49:49,389
that Rose had nothing
to do with it
918
00:49:49,422 --> 00:49:52,125
and it was all him.
919
00:49:52,158 --> 00:49:54,194
-Everyone felt some empathy
for her, thinking,
920
00:49:54,227 --> 00:49:55,362
"Oh, God, she's been living
with this monster,
921
00:49:55,395 --> 00:49:56,496
and she didn't know."
922
00:49:56,529 --> 00:49:57,731
And then after a while,
923
00:49:57,764 --> 00:50:00,467
when we knew more details
about the murders,
924
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:02,268
people then began to conclude,
925
00:50:02,302 --> 00:50:04,704
"Well, come on,
she must have known.
926
00:50:04,738 --> 00:50:07,307
She must have been
part of this."
927
00:50:07,340 --> 00:50:14,347
**
928
00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:19,252
**
929
00:50:19,285 --> 00:50:22,422
-I did a lot of research
on Rose's background.
930
00:50:22,455 --> 00:50:24,424
It looked like
a very nice upbringing,
931
00:50:24,457 --> 00:50:25,592
but behind closed doors,
932
00:50:25,625 --> 00:50:28,428
there was
something very different.
933
00:50:28,461 --> 00:50:32,432
Her father, Bill,
was an absolute monster.
934
00:50:32,465 --> 00:50:35,168
This very, very violent, man --
935
00:50:35,201 --> 00:50:37,604
every day,
in the most terrible ways.
936
00:50:37,637 --> 00:50:40,306
He'd throw stuff at the wall.
937
00:50:40,340 --> 00:50:42,308
**
938
00:50:42,342 --> 00:50:44,444
Hit his wife, hit the children.
939
00:50:44,477 --> 00:50:49,449
But Rose had a way of
making her father, Bill, laugh,
940
00:50:49,482 --> 00:50:51,317
so she was spared all that
941
00:50:51,351 --> 00:50:53,753
because he saw
something else in her.
942
00:50:53,787 --> 00:50:56,322
**
943
00:50:56,356 --> 00:51:01,327
And so from quite a young age,
he began to groom her.
944
00:51:01,361 --> 00:51:03,329
She would just drop
her dressing gown,
945
00:51:03,363 --> 00:51:05,632
walk around naked
in front of him.
946
00:51:05,665 --> 00:51:08,635
Rose had been completely
sexualized at a very young age.
947
00:51:08,668 --> 00:51:10,770
It was appalling.
948
00:51:10,804 --> 00:51:13,606
**
949
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,608
In the year that Rose was 15,
950
00:51:15,642 --> 00:51:20,780
her sister asked her to
look after the mobile caravan
951
00:51:20,814 --> 00:51:23,350
where they would serve
teas and coffees
952
00:51:23,383 --> 00:51:27,654
to people who were working
in the area.
953
00:51:27,687 --> 00:51:29,522
And she'd off and disappeared
954
00:51:29,556 --> 00:51:33,326
and was having sex
with these men.
955
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,363
-One of the things that Rose
learned as she was growing up
956
00:51:36,396 --> 00:51:39,499
was that she could use sex
to manipulate men.
957
00:51:39,532 --> 00:51:41,501
-Remember, she'd been abused.
958
00:51:41,534 --> 00:51:44,504
She became a sexualized object
959
00:51:44,537 --> 00:51:48,341
and will be marked with it
so that it will never go away.
960
00:51:48,375 --> 00:51:54,647
**
961
00:51:54,681 --> 00:51:58,385
-Fred and Rose met
at the bus stop in Cheltenham.
962
00:51:58,418 --> 00:51:59,819
She said that
he had gunky teeth.
963
00:51:59,853 --> 00:52:02,689
His teeth were slightly green,
964
00:52:02,722 --> 00:52:05,258
but when he went
and sat next to her on the bus
965
00:52:05,291 --> 00:52:07,227
and engaged her in conversation,
966
00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:11,264
she said that he could have
charmed the bees from the trees.
967
00:52:11,297 --> 00:52:13,266
-They met in 1969.
968
00:52:13,299 --> 00:52:14,801
Fred was considerably older
than Rose.
969
00:52:14,834 --> 00:52:16,269
He was 27.
970
00:52:16,302 --> 00:52:18,672
She was 15.
971
00:52:18,705 --> 00:52:22,409
They married 12 months later.
972
00:52:22,442 --> 00:52:25,245
Went to live together
on a caravan site.
973
00:52:25,278 --> 00:52:28,415
**
974
00:52:28,448 --> 00:52:31,418
-Rose's upbringing
from a distance
975
00:52:31,451 --> 00:52:36,289
looked different to Fred's,
but it really wasn't.
976
00:52:36,322 --> 00:52:37,724
So when they met on the bus,
977
00:52:37,757 --> 00:52:40,694
it was an accident
waiting to happen,
978
00:52:40,727 --> 00:52:43,563
a perfect storm.
979
00:52:43,596 --> 00:52:46,900
-Fred West empowered Rosemary.
980
00:52:46,933 --> 00:52:51,604
We know that in her background,
sexual activity
981
00:52:51,638 --> 00:52:56,309
was something that she used
to pacify men around her.
982
00:52:56,343 --> 00:52:59,546
Frederick West lifted her
from that
983
00:52:59,579 --> 00:53:03,450
so that he took her
from being an object
984
00:53:03,483 --> 00:53:05,552
and made her a partner.
985
00:53:05,585 --> 00:53:12,592
**
986
00:53:15,595 --> 00:53:22,602
**
987
00:53:24,637 --> 00:53:28,441
-It was Rose who had
the really voracious appetite
988
00:53:28,475 --> 00:53:34,514
for aggressive, hardcore sex,
hardcore porn, hardcore BDSM,
989
00:53:34,547 --> 00:53:38,551
and Fred was quite happy
watching her.
990
00:53:40,754 --> 00:53:46,626
**
991
00:53:46,659 --> 00:53:48,361
-Fred had drilled little holes,
992
00:53:48,395 --> 00:53:51,765
peep holes, because Fred
was nothing if not a voyeur.
993
00:53:51,798 --> 00:53:55,502
Fred took out adverts
in local publications
994
00:53:55,535 --> 00:53:57,937
advertising Rose's services.
995
00:53:57,971 --> 00:54:03,510
**
996
00:54:03,543 --> 00:54:07,781
He liked to watch people
having sex...
997
00:54:07,814 --> 00:54:13,520
and his favorite performer
was his wife, Rose.
998
00:54:21,628 --> 00:54:25,565
-It was something that
she and Frederick shared.
999
00:54:25,598 --> 00:54:28,702
This was her
pleasing him, as well.
1000
00:54:28,735 --> 00:54:33,406
She's giving him something that
he couldn't ordinarily expect.
1001
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,976
He is a voyeur to what is
literally happening feet away,
1002
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:40,046
and Rosemary is giving him this
as a gift.
1003
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,450
-She didn't care if she had sex
with men or women.
1004
00:54:43,483 --> 00:54:45,852
If she wanted to do something,
he'd let her do it,
1005
00:54:45,885 --> 00:54:48,455
but it didn't make her a killer.
1006
00:54:48,488 --> 00:54:51,691
**
1007
00:54:51,725 --> 00:54:56,663
-During the investigation,
the police come across a case
1008
00:54:56,696 --> 00:55:01,034
which throws
a totally different light...
1009
00:55:01,067 --> 00:55:02,869
on Rosemary West.
1010
00:55:02,902 --> 00:55:09,909
**
1011
00:55:12,879 --> 00:55:16,816
**
1012
00:55:16,850 --> 00:55:18,718
[ Camera shutter clicks ]
1013
00:55:18,752 --> 00:55:20,887
-Caroline Owens knew the Wests
1014
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,723
because she spent some time
with them as a lodger,
1015
00:55:23,757 --> 00:55:24,891
but she'd moved out.
1016
00:55:24,924 --> 00:55:27,594
And then, as luck would have it,
one day,
1017
00:55:27,627 --> 00:55:30,730
they saw Caroline hitchhiking
on the side of the highway.
1018
00:55:30,764 --> 00:55:34,467
**
1019
00:55:34,501 --> 00:55:36,636
Rose was in the car with Fred.
1020
00:55:36,670 --> 00:55:37,804
Caroline gets into the car.
1021
00:55:37,837 --> 00:55:39,606
It's a two-door car,
1022
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:43,910
so Rose has to adjust the seat
and gets into the back with her.
1023
00:55:43,943 --> 00:55:47,480
Soon after that,
Rose starts fondling her.
1024
00:55:47,514 --> 00:55:49,449
Caroline objects to this.
1025
00:55:49,482 --> 00:55:51,651
Fred punches her in the face,
1026
00:55:51,685 --> 00:55:53,753
basically
knocks her unconscious.
1027
00:55:53,787 --> 00:55:56,623
When she comes round,
she's in Cromwell Street,
1028
00:55:56,656 --> 00:55:58,925
and then the nightmare
really begins.
1029
00:55:58,958 --> 00:56:02,495
**
1030
00:56:02,529 --> 00:56:03,763
-She was bound.
1031
00:56:03,797 --> 00:56:05,799
She was held captive.
1032
00:56:05,832 --> 00:56:09,936
She was beaten with
a leather belt in her genitalia.
1033
00:56:09,969 --> 00:56:15,075
She was raped by both
Frederick and Rosemary West.
1034
00:56:15,108 --> 00:56:17,944
And then,
one of the things happened
1035
00:56:17,977 --> 00:56:20,580
that changed everything
for the future --
1036
00:56:20,613 --> 00:56:22,649
she escaped.
1037
00:56:22,682 --> 00:56:29,689
**
1038
00:56:32,692 --> 00:56:36,563
**
1039
00:56:36,596 --> 00:56:39,799
[ Siren wails ]
1040
00:56:39,833 --> 00:56:42,669
-Caroline wasn't treated
particularly well by the police.
1041
00:56:42,702 --> 00:56:44,104
They probably had
the attitude of,
1042
00:56:44,137 --> 00:56:45,805
"Well, you're a girl
on your own.
1043
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:47,540
It's your own fault."
1044
00:56:47,574 --> 00:56:49,976
And so she decided to go with
the lesser charges,
1045
00:56:50,010 --> 00:56:53,780
and she wouldn't have to give
the same degree of evidence.
1046
00:56:53,813 --> 00:56:55,982
-The Wests were convicted
1047
00:56:56,016 --> 00:56:58,685
basically of
an indecent assault,
1048
00:56:58,718 --> 00:57:01,521
and they were only fined £25.
1049
00:57:01,554 --> 00:57:03,823
-Which is just ludicrous.
1050
00:57:03,857 --> 00:57:07,861
The fact that Caroline Owens
escaped was a mistake --
1051
00:57:07,894 --> 00:57:10,630
a mistake that would
come back to haunt them.
1052
00:57:10,663 --> 00:57:17,671
**
1053
00:57:20,674 --> 00:57:27,681
**
1054
00:57:28,148 --> 00:57:33,887
-There is a progression in the
offending career of the Wests.
1055
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,155
In the early stages,
1056
00:57:35,188 --> 00:57:38,858
Fred West would tend
to operate singly
1057
00:57:38,892 --> 00:57:41,695
when he was acquiring
his victim.
1058
00:57:41,728 --> 00:57:43,196
In the middle stages,
1059
00:57:43,229 --> 00:57:45,865
you see the abductions
from the street.
1060
00:57:45,899 --> 00:57:48,735
It's high-risk.
1061
00:57:48,768 --> 00:57:51,604
Of course,
with a woman in the car,
1062
00:57:51,638 --> 00:57:54,107
the potential hitchhiker
or person at the bus stop
1063
00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:56,042
would have
a different attitude.
1064
00:57:56,076 --> 00:58:00,046
We know that a woman in the car
means it's much safer, don't we?
1065
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,916
How wrong could you be?
1066
00:58:02,949 --> 00:58:06,886
They get past that by taking
people into their own home,
1067
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,054
the lodgers.
1068
00:58:08,088 --> 00:58:09,789
Then you move on.
1069
00:58:09,823 --> 00:58:11,925
As that begins to wane,
remember,
1070
00:58:11,958 --> 00:58:13,893
these are creative people.
1071
00:58:13,927 --> 00:58:17,030
These are people
who look for new experiences.
1072
00:58:17,063 --> 00:58:19,899
They turn their attention
to their own children.
1073
00:58:19,933 --> 00:58:22,736
**
1074
00:58:22,769 --> 00:58:25,638
-Fred's attitude
to his children,
1075
00:58:25,672 --> 00:58:29,209
especially the girls, is that
it was the father's right
1076
00:58:29,242 --> 00:58:32,078
to teach them
about everything in life,
1077
00:58:32,112 --> 00:58:34,214
and even that being sex.
1078
00:58:34,247 --> 00:58:37,083
-It's important here
to understand
1079
00:58:37,117 --> 00:58:39,953
that Rose isn't just
a bystander.
1080
00:58:39,986 --> 00:58:43,156
She's fully involved
in guiding what's happening,
1081
00:58:43,189 --> 00:58:46,960
so in a sense,
they are seeding the future.
1082
00:58:46,993 --> 00:58:54,000
**
1083
00:58:56,970 --> 00:58:59,673
**
1084
00:58:59,706 --> 00:59:01,808
-I was in my bedroom,
1085
00:59:01,841 --> 00:59:03,777
and it was
the middle of the night.
1086
00:59:03,810 --> 00:59:05,245
And I heard Heather screaming,
1087
00:59:05,278 --> 00:59:07,814
"Stop it, Daddy,
stop it, Daddy!"
1088
00:59:07,847 --> 00:59:11,117
I thought Heather was being
chastised for being naughty.
1089
00:59:11,151 --> 00:59:15,221
Then I was told...
by one of the children
1090
00:59:15,255 --> 00:59:17,924
that it was Fred's right to...
1091
00:59:17,957 --> 00:59:21,961
I think the words were
"break his daughters in."
1092
00:59:21,995 --> 00:59:25,732
It took me a little bit of time
to put two and two together,
1093
00:59:25,765 --> 00:59:28,702
and then I realized
what they were saying.
1094
00:59:28,735 --> 00:59:32,972
I always sit and think
to myself, "If I'd reported it,
1095
00:59:33,006 --> 00:59:34,708
would anything
ever have been done?"
1096
00:59:34,741 --> 00:59:36,242
And I always answer myself, "No.
1097
00:59:36,276 --> 00:59:37,677
I was a runaway.
1098
00:59:37,711 --> 00:59:39,813
Nobody would believe a runaway."
1099
00:59:39,846 --> 00:59:43,283
-It's thought that what happened
at Cromwell Street
1100
00:59:43,316 --> 00:59:45,719
was all behind the facade
of a family home,
1101
00:59:45,752 --> 00:59:47,854
but, of course,
it never was a family home.
1102
00:59:47,887 --> 00:59:53,159
It was a pleasure dome
for Rosemary and Frederick West.
1103
00:59:53,193 --> 00:59:55,161
-I couldn't listen
to that anymore,
1104
00:59:55,195 --> 00:59:56,863
so I made the decision to leave.
1105
00:59:56,896 --> 00:59:58,832
But I made the decision
not to tell them.
1106
00:59:58,865 --> 01:00:00,834
I was frightened to tell them,
1107
01:00:00,867 --> 01:00:04,170
so I left it until
the day that I was leaving.
1108
01:00:04,204 --> 01:00:06,206
And I said,
"My rent is due today,
1109
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:07,741
but I'm actually moving out."
1110
01:00:07,774 --> 01:00:09,976
To which Rose said, "When?"
1111
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:11,244
I said, "Now."
1112
01:00:11,277 --> 01:00:13,847
She seemed a bit shocked.
1113
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,282
Shirley knew I was leaving.
1114
01:00:16,316 --> 01:00:18,084
I told her my decision.
1115
01:00:18,118 --> 01:00:20,320
I said to her, "I'll keep touch.
1116
01:00:20,353 --> 01:00:24,057
I'll come back
when I know baby's due."
1117
01:00:24,090 --> 01:00:27,027
And she waved to me as I left.
1118
01:00:27,060 --> 01:00:29,329
**
1119
01:00:29,362 --> 01:00:31,364
And that was the last
I saw of her.
1120
01:00:31,398 --> 01:00:35,068
**
1121
01:00:38,405 --> 01:00:40,407
[ Siren wails ]
1122
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,411
-Fred West always said all along
that it was just him.
1123
01:00:44,444 --> 01:00:46,446
He didn't want
to implicate Rose.
1124
01:00:46,479 --> 01:00:48,415
He just wanted to keep her sweet
1125
01:00:48,448 --> 01:00:51,851
for when he came out
from serving his sentence.
1126
01:00:51,885 --> 01:00:54,287
-Fred had a notion that Rose
1127
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,956
would come and visit him
in prison,
1128
01:00:56,990 --> 01:01:00,427
that she'd have a rather lovely
little cottage close by,
1129
01:01:00,460 --> 01:01:02,829
that she'd cook him
something nice,
1130
01:01:02,862 --> 01:01:06,966
and it would all be terribly
charming and lovey-dovey.
1131
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,904
[ Siren wails ]
1132
01:01:10,937 --> 01:01:13,440
-Police still have
no direct evidence
1133
01:01:13,473 --> 01:01:16,009
linking Rose to the murders.
1134
01:01:16,042 --> 01:01:18,311
Nevertheless,
the case of Caroline Owens
1135
01:01:18,345 --> 01:01:22,382
and the joint abduction
and the joint abuse
1136
01:01:22,415 --> 01:01:24,451
by both Fred and Rose
1137
01:01:24,484 --> 01:01:29,155
convinced them that
they should charge them both.
1138
01:01:29,189 --> 01:01:32,192
They were gonna use that
as the lever
1139
01:01:32,225 --> 01:01:36,329
to convince the jury that
they were partners in crime.
1140
01:01:36,363 --> 01:01:38,164
"Look at
what had happened before,
1141
01:01:38,198 --> 01:01:39,966
and look at what happened now."
1142
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,003
It was what was called in court
similar fact evidence.
1143
01:01:43,036 --> 01:01:50,043
**
1144
01:01:53,046 --> 01:01:58,918
**
1145
01:01:58,952 --> 01:02:00,353
-Frederick West, minutes away
1146
01:02:00,387 --> 01:02:02,355
from a reunion
with his wife, Rosemary,
1147
01:02:02,389 --> 01:02:04,357
is driven into
Gloucester Magistrates Court.
1148
01:02:04,391 --> 01:02:06,192
She arrived moments later,
1149
01:02:06,226 --> 01:02:08,194
this the first time
they'd seen each other
1150
01:02:08,228 --> 01:02:10,497
since they were arrested
four months ago.
1151
01:02:10,530 --> 01:02:12,932
**
1152
01:02:12,966 --> 01:02:17,203
-When I went into the court,
it was heaving with people.
1153
01:02:17,237 --> 01:02:19,506
Rose was brought
to the left-hand side,
1154
01:02:19,539 --> 01:02:23,543
and Fred came up the steps
on the other side.
1155
01:02:23,576 --> 01:02:28,081
I remember looking at her
and then looking at him,
1156
01:02:28,114 --> 01:02:33,086
and as soon as he approached
there, he looked at Rose,
1157
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:34,954
sort of like...
1158
01:02:34,988 --> 01:02:37,090
to give her a sort of a --
and she went like that.
1159
01:02:37,123 --> 01:02:42,228
She literally dropped her head
and blanked him.
1160
01:02:42,262 --> 01:02:44,097
-Every single pair of eyes,
1161
01:02:44,130 --> 01:02:46,566
and there were a lot of them
in that courtroom,
1162
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:50,170
was focused, laser-focused,
on her reaction.
1163
01:02:50,203 --> 01:02:53,106
That day was the moment
that we all realized
1164
01:02:53,139 --> 01:02:55,408
things were about to change.
1165
01:02:55,442 --> 01:02:56,543
**
1166
01:02:56,576 --> 01:02:59,979
[ Projector whirring ]
1167
01:03:00,013 --> 01:03:07,053
**
1168
01:03:07,454 --> 01:03:11,124
-West had seen them --
himself and Rosemary --
1169
01:03:11,157 --> 01:03:14,561
as a pair, as united.
1170
01:03:14,594 --> 01:03:18,431
But she is seeing this
as a lifeline.
1171
01:03:18,465 --> 01:03:24,004
"Maybe if I can help the world
to know that I was coerced,
1172
01:03:24,037 --> 01:03:30,276
that I was pushed into it,
maybe it will go better for me."
1173
01:03:30,310 --> 01:03:34,547
He knows now that all
of their previous fantasizing
1174
01:03:34,581 --> 01:03:36,583
is coming to nothing.
1175
01:03:36,616 --> 01:03:38,451
**
1176
01:03:38,485 --> 01:03:41,054
-Fred is mortified
and in a fit of pique,
1177
01:03:41,087 --> 01:03:44,157
goes back to the police station,
changes his story completely,
1178
01:03:44,190 --> 01:03:45,592
says it's no longer him.
1179
01:03:45,625 --> 01:03:47,627
He didn't do it.
He just buried the bodies.
1180
01:03:47,660 --> 01:03:51,331
Someone else did it,
and that someone else was Rose.
1181
01:04:00,507 --> 01:04:07,514
**
1182
01:04:10,517 --> 01:04:13,219
**
1183
01:04:13,253 --> 01:04:17,257
-There was a huge sense of
anticipation ahead of the trial.
1184
01:04:17,290 --> 01:04:21,695
These are a married couple,
Britain's worst serial killers,
1185
01:04:21,728 --> 01:04:25,231
and that they were gonna be
in the dock together,
1186
01:04:25,265 --> 01:04:27,334
fighting each other,
1187
01:04:27,367 --> 01:04:32,072
really was gonna be
the trial of the century.
1188
01:04:32,105 --> 01:04:34,341
-Detectives had
a long conversation
1189
01:04:34,374 --> 01:04:37,210
with the governor
of Winson Green Prison
1190
01:04:37,243 --> 01:04:40,347
and said
Fred is a prisoner at risk.
1191
01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:42,515
He will potentially try
and take his own life.
1192
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:45,485
You must guard him very,
very carefully.
1193
01:04:45,518 --> 01:04:52,525
**
1194
01:04:55,228 --> 01:04:56,563
-Rose West was kept in
1195
01:04:56,596 --> 01:04:59,132
the segregation unit
at Holloway,
1196
01:04:59,165 --> 01:05:01,101
which means she was separated
1197
01:05:01,134 --> 01:05:03,236
from the rest
of the prison population.
1198
01:05:03,269 --> 01:05:05,372
She had a cell to herself...
1199
01:05:05,405 --> 01:05:10,243
about 8 or 9 foot long
and about 3 1/2, 4 foot wide.
1200
01:05:10,276 --> 01:05:14,547
It wasn't a luxurious cell by
any stretch of the imagination.
1201
01:05:14,581 --> 01:05:17,117
Rose liked spending money
at the canteen --
1202
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:20,687
confectionary, biscuits,
that sort of thing.
1203
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,390
She asked the governor
for permission to have
1204
01:05:23,423 --> 01:05:26,559
plastic knitting needles,
which was agreed,
1205
01:05:26,593 --> 01:05:28,294
although she had to
hand them out
1206
01:05:28,328 --> 01:05:31,564
every night before lights-out.
1207
01:05:31,598 --> 01:05:34,401
Child murders are seen
as the lowest of the low,
1208
01:05:34,434 --> 01:05:37,137
and other prisoners knew
that she was down there
1209
01:05:37,170 --> 01:05:39,706
and would call out,
shouting obscenities.
1210
01:05:39,739 --> 01:05:43,143
[ Indistinct shouting ]
1211
01:05:43,176 --> 01:05:49,182
**
1212
01:05:49,215 --> 01:05:52,419
-I was at my sister-in-law's
house for the New Year,
1213
01:05:52,452 --> 01:05:57,424
and, uh...I was sat there,
and pager went off.
1214
01:05:57,457 --> 01:05:58,558
[ Pager beeping ]
1215
01:05:58,591 --> 01:06:01,127
"Wow.
1216
01:06:01,161 --> 01:06:03,530
Fred's killed himself."
1217
01:06:03,563 --> 01:06:05,765
-Prison guards found West
hanging in his cell
1218
01:06:05,799 --> 01:06:07,801
at Winson Green
on New Year's Day.
1219
01:06:07,834 --> 01:06:11,137
Postmortem results have
confirmed Frederick West died
1220
01:06:11,171 --> 01:06:14,708
from a starvation of oxygen
to the brain caused by hanging.
1221
01:06:14,741 --> 01:06:17,610
-Everyone was absolutely livid.
1222
01:06:17,644 --> 01:06:19,446
The nationwas livid.
1223
01:06:19,479 --> 01:06:22,449
Fred had cheated justice,
which is a travesty.
1224
01:06:22,482 --> 01:06:23,817
-It was just shocking,
1225
01:06:23,850 --> 01:06:25,719
but then, that shock turned
to anger quite quickly
1226
01:06:25,752 --> 01:06:29,289
because how on earth can one of
the most high-profile prisoners
1227
01:06:29,322 --> 01:06:30,690
this country has ever had
1228
01:06:30,724 --> 01:06:35,261
be allowed to commit suicide
ahead of his trial?
1229
01:06:35,295 --> 01:06:38,732
-He hanged himself
and took the coward's way out.
1230
01:06:38,765 --> 01:06:45,205
**
1231
01:06:45,238 --> 01:06:47,640
-I got a phone call
from the duty governor
1232
01:06:47,674 --> 01:06:50,377
saying that Fred West
had committed suicide
1233
01:06:50,410 --> 01:06:52,512
at Winson Green Prison,
1234
01:06:52,545 --> 01:06:56,649
and he was coming down
to tell Rose.
1235
01:06:56,683 --> 01:07:00,353
And it was literally two steps
from my office
1236
01:07:00,387 --> 01:07:02,655
to Rose's cell door.
1237
01:07:02,689 --> 01:07:05,492
I opened her cell door, said,
"Rose, the duty governor's here.
1238
01:07:05,525 --> 01:07:07,827
He has something he needs
to speak to you about."
1239
01:07:07,861 --> 01:07:10,530
She was on her bed knitting.
1240
01:07:10,563 --> 01:07:14,367
He said, "Rose, I'm really sorry
to have to tell you this,
1241
01:07:14,401 --> 01:07:18,238
but Fred has committed suicide."
1242
01:07:18,271 --> 01:07:23,810
There was nothing from Rose --
no exclamation, no tears --
1243
01:07:23,843 --> 01:07:25,812
but there was just a glint,
1244
01:07:25,845 --> 01:07:29,516
a flicker of emotion
in her eyes,
1245
01:07:29,549 --> 01:07:32,552
almost pleasure
that Fred had died
1246
01:07:32,585 --> 01:07:34,387
because she now thought that,
1247
01:07:34,421 --> 01:07:37,290
"If Fred's dead,
they've got nothing on me."
1248
01:07:37,323 --> 01:07:38,825
-She was a psychopath.
1249
01:07:38,858 --> 01:07:41,695
There would be
that sense of relief.
1250
01:07:41,728 --> 01:07:42,829
"He's gone.
1251
01:07:42,862 --> 01:07:45,799
Thank goodness for that."
1252
01:07:45,832 --> 01:07:48,702
-Was Rose about
to get away with murder?
1253
01:07:48,735 --> 01:07:52,706
**
1254
01:07:55,942 --> 01:07:57,510
**
1255
01:07:57,544 --> 01:08:00,447
-With Fred now dead,
there is every suggestion
1256
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,949
that any case against Rose
will just fall.
1257
01:08:02,982 --> 01:08:07,787
Fred was the vital cog,
and there's a real danger
1258
01:08:07,821 --> 01:08:10,957
that Rosemary West
will never come to trial.
1259
01:08:10,990 --> 01:08:13,793
-Legal experts say
any statements made by West
1260
01:08:13,827 --> 01:08:16,796
before he died are now
inadmissible as evidence.
1261
01:08:16,830 --> 01:08:18,798
According to
Rosemary West's solicitor,
1262
01:08:18,832 --> 01:08:21,634
the case against her,
which he claims was flimsy,
1263
01:08:21,668 --> 01:08:23,803
is now even flimsier.
1264
01:08:23,837 --> 01:08:27,774
**
1265
01:08:27,807 --> 01:08:29,843
-The police redouble
their efforts to make sure
1266
01:08:29,876 --> 01:08:32,812
that Rose
is not gonna escape justice.
1267
01:08:32,846 --> 01:08:35,682
And in particular,
they take the look at the death
1268
01:08:35,715 --> 01:08:39,819
of Charmaine,
Rena's daughter, in 1971.
1269
01:08:39,853 --> 01:08:46,960
**
1270
01:08:46,993 --> 01:08:50,397
-Fred always claimed
that he had killed Charmaine
1271
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:52,565
after murdering
his first wife, Rena,
1272
01:08:52,599 --> 01:08:55,001
but the police knew
from Fred West's records
1273
01:08:55,035 --> 01:08:57,404
that he'd served another
term of imprisonment
1274
01:08:57,437 --> 01:09:01,574
for petty burglary in 1971...
1275
01:09:01,608 --> 01:09:04,811
roughly the time
that Charmaine was murdered.
1276
01:09:04,844 --> 01:09:06,846
**
1277
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,949
Rose was Charmaine's
surrogate mother.
1278
01:09:09,983 --> 01:09:11,851
They didn't get on well.
1279
01:09:11,885 --> 01:09:15,422
When Charmaine disappeared,
the school that she went to
1280
01:09:15,455 --> 01:09:17,557
wanted to know
why she was no longer in class.
1281
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:20,860
Rose told them that she'd gone
away with her mother, Rena.
1282
01:09:20,894 --> 01:09:23,396
So the focus now falls on Rose.
1283
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:25,999
**
1284
01:09:26,032 --> 01:09:28,735
Police went back
to Dr. Whittaker
1285
01:09:28,768 --> 01:09:31,004
to see if they could get
a more accurate time frame
1286
01:09:31,037 --> 01:09:33,807
on when Charmaine
was actually killed.
1287
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,009
They were able
to get a photograph
1288
01:09:36,042 --> 01:09:39,746
which was taken
when Charmaine was at school...
1289
01:09:39,779 --> 01:09:41,614
and he was able to superimpose
1290
01:09:41,648 --> 01:09:43,717
the photograph
that he'd obtained
1291
01:09:43,750 --> 01:09:47,487
on the skull
that the police had recovered.
1292
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,024
Dr. Whittaker was able
to tell within a matter of days,
1293
01:09:51,057 --> 01:09:54,561
weeks maximum,
that, in his opinion,
1294
01:09:54,594 --> 01:09:56,596
Charmaine was alive
on a certain date
1295
01:09:56,629 --> 01:09:58,498
when Fred West was in prison,
1296
01:09:58,531 --> 01:10:04,738
and she was dead on a date when
Fred West was still in prison.
1297
01:10:04,771 --> 01:10:06,906
-It was a little bit
more complicated than that
1298
01:10:06,940 --> 01:10:09,776
because he gives them
a date in June
1299
01:10:09,809 --> 01:10:12,579
but with a two-week window
on either side,
1300
01:10:12,612 --> 01:10:14,914
so it's not
absolutely conclusive.
1301
01:10:14,948 --> 01:10:21,955
**
1302
01:10:22,655 --> 01:10:27,494
-Rose West stood trial
at the start of October 1995.
1303
01:10:27,527 --> 01:10:29,462
She was charged
with 10 murders --
1304
01:10:29,496 --> 01:10:31,498
all of the murders
at Cromwell Street,
1305
01:10:31,531 --> 01:10:33,600
plus the murder of Charmaine.
1306
01:10:33,633 --> 01:10:35,769
There were queues to get into
1307
01:10:35,802 --> 01:10:37,504
the public gallery
every morning.
1308
01:10:37,537 --> 01:10:40,106
It was, like,
the hottest ticket in town.
1309
01:10:40,140 --> 01:10:42,475
-There was a great deal
of apprehension
1310
01:10:42,509 --> 01:10:44,678
from the officers who had been
involved in the case
1311
01:10:44,711 --> 01:10:47,947
because it was almost a 50/50.
1312
01:10:47,981 --> 01:10:50,016
What would happen
if she was found innocent?
1313
01:10:50,050 --> 01:10:52,786
What a travesty that would be.
1314
01:10:52,819 --> 01:10:55,088
-The most telling testimony
1315
01:10:55,121 --> 01:10:59,092
came from Rose's
other stepdaughter, Anna Marie.
1316
01:10:59,125 --> 01:11:03,763
Anna Marie had to divulge
the most personal details
1317
01:11:03,797 --> 01:11:05,031
of the way that Fred and Rose
1318
01:11:05,065 --> 01:11:08,668
had sexually abused her
down the years,
1319
01:11:08,702 --> 01:11:11,104
and Caroline Owens
told her story of
1320
01:11:11,137 --> 01:11:14,674
how she bore the guilt
as the one who got away.
1321
01:11:14,708 --> 01:11:21,715
**
1322
01:11:23,850 --> 01:11:26,686
-It emerged that a number
of prosecution witnesses
1323
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,689
took money from newspapers
to tell their story,
1324
01:11:29,723 --> 01:11:31,691
and of course, when you do that,
1325
01:11:31,725 --> 01:11:34,794
it's very easy
for the defense to say,
1326
01:11:34,828 --> 01:11:37,564
"Well, how are we supposed to
believe what you're saying?
1327
01:11:37,597 --> 01:11:39,699
Your story
has been embellished."
1328
01:11:39,733 --> 01:11:42,569
-This was a case
with Caroline Owens,
1329
01:11:42,602 --> 01:11:44,571
who had told
police investigators
1330
01:11:44,604 --> 01:11:47,007
that Rose was complicit,
1331
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,844
and when it was put to her
that it was in her interests
1332
01:11:50,877 --> 01:11:55,015
that Rose West was found guilty,
she wept openly
1333
01:11:55,048 --> 01:11:56,850
and she said that
she was telling her story
1334
01:11:56,883 --> 01:11:59,853
because she wanted justice
for the women
1335
01:11:59,886 --> 01:12:03,023
and girls that had been killed
by Fred and Rose West.
1336
01:12:03,056 --> 01:12:10,063
**
1337
01:12:10,330 --> 01:12:14,034
I think everyone was surprised
that Rose took the stand.
1338
01:12:14,067 --> 01:12:17,904
The defense probably thought
they had to do something.
1339
01:12:17,937 --> 01:12:20,040
It was possibly
their last throw of the dice.
1340
01:12:20,073 --> 01:12:21,908
-Her evidence
really fell into two parts.
1341
01:12:21,941 --> 01:12:23,877
One, "I couldn't possibly
have done it
1342
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:25,578
because I was pregnant
all the time,"
1343
01:12:25,612 --> 01:12:28,748
and two, "Fred never
told me anything."
1344
01:12:28,782 --> 01:12:32,052
-There were times when
she appeared to shed a tear,
1345
01:12:32,085 --> 01:12:34,087
but then you could see
that she'd actually
1346
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:35,422
poked herself in the eye.
1347
01:12:35,455 --> 01:12:37,924
She was not a credible witness.
1348
01:12:37,957 --> 01:12:41,161
-As the trial of Rosemary West
on 10 charges of murder
1349
01:12:41,194 --> 01:12:42,929
reaches its final phase,
1350
01:12:42,962 --> 01:12:45,932
Mrs. West was brought
the quarter of a mile
1351
01:12:45,965 --> 01:12:49,135
from Winchester Prison
to the city's Crown Court
1352
01:12:49,169 --> 01:12:51,638
to hear the judge,
Mr. Justice Mantell,
1353
01:12:51,671 --> 01:12:53,940
summarize the evidence.
1354
01:12:53,973 --> 01:13:00,980
**
1355
01:13:03,116 --> 01:13:05,185
-There was a sense
among the media
1356
01:13:05,218 --> 01:13:06,753
that if the jury came back
1357
01:13:06,786 --> 01:13:09,689
and convicted Rose
of killing Charmaine,
1358
01:13:09,723 --> 01:13:11,224
there was every chance
1359
01:13:11,257 --> 01:13:13,927
that she would be convicted
of the other crimes.
1360
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:18,698
**
1361
01:13:18,732 --> 01:13:21,935
And that was one of
the first verdicts returned.
1362
01:13:21,968 --> 01:13:24,170
She was found guilty
of Charmaine.
1363
01:13:24,204 --> 01:13:26,239
**
1364
01:13:26,272 --> 01:13:27,974
The following morning,
1365
01:13:28,008 --> 01:13:30,243
the jury came back
within half an hour
1366
01:13:30,276 --> 01:13:34,114
and convicted Rosemary West
of all the other crimes.
1367
01:13:34,147 --> 01:13:37,784
Mr. Justice Mantell's words
still ring in my ears.
1368
01:13:37,817 --> 01:13:40,253
"If attention is paid
to what I say,
1369
01:13:40,286 --> 01:13:42,188
you will never be released."
1370
01:13:42,222 --> 01:13:44,057
Effectively, Mantell said,
1371
01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:46,793
"You will spend the rest
of your life behind bars."
1372
01:13:46,826 --> 01:13:53,833
**
1373
01:13:56,836 --> 01:13:57,971
**
1374
01:13:58,004 --> 01:13:59,706
-I was with the support group.
1375
01:13:59,739 --> 01:14:03,276
We were in our van on patrol,
and we had the radio on.
1376
01:14:03,309 --> 01:14:05,979
And it was announced
that she'd been found guilty,
1377
01:14:06,012 --> 01:14:10,984
and everyone cheered
because justice had been done.
1378
01:14:11,017 --> 01:14:14,854
-Frederick West
was a farmyard killer...
1379
01:14:14,888 --> 01:14:18,692
and then he met Rosemary West.
1380
01:14:18,725 --> 01:14:21,161
It was her rage,
her sexual lust,
1381
01:14:21,194 --> 01:14:22,996
that was unleashed.
1382
01:14:23,029 --> 01:14:28,001
What we don't know, really, is
if she didn't have the venue,
1383
01:14:28,034 --> 01:14:30,970
the house
and Frederick West there
1384
01:14:31,004 --> 01:14:33,273
to be her mentor and counselor,
1385
01:14:33,306 --> 01:14:37,010
would it have gone to the
heights that it finally went to?
1386
01:14:37,043 --> 01:14:39,312
Their joining together
took things to a place
1387
01:14:39,346 --> 01:14:42,015
that very few people
can contemplate.
1388
01:14:42,048 --> 01:14:48,321
-There are very, very few
man-and-wife killing teams...
1389
01:14:48,355 --> 01:14:50,724
and this was one of
the most remarkable.
1390
01:14:50,757 --> 01:14:53,059
Even the Honeymoon Killers
in the United States,
1391
01:14:53,093 --> 01:14:55,762
who killed in the '40s,
the end of the '40s,
1392
01:14:55,795 --> 01:14:58,331
only had 4 victims, not 12.
1393
01:14:58,365 --> 01:15:03,303
**
1394
01:15:03,336 --> 01:15:05,772
-There was quite a public debate
1395
01:15:05,805 --> 01:15:08,875
about what should happen
to 25 Cromwell Street.
1396
01:15:08,908 --> 01:15:10,276
There was some suggestion
1397
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:12,345
that it should be turned into
some sort of museum,
1398
01:15:12,379 --> 01:15:15,048
but the local council was never
gonna let that happen.
1399
01:15:15,081 --> 01:15:18,918
And eventually...
it was demolished.
1400
01:15:18,952 --> 01:15:22,922
**
1401
01:15:22,956 --> 01:15:24,891
-The West case, of course,
was notorious,
1402
01:15:24,924 --> 01:15:27,227
and there wasn't a person
in the country
1403
01:15:27,260 --> 01:15:28,895
who was not aware of it.
1404
01:15:28,928 --> 01:15:30,797
But do we know the whole truth
1405
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:34,801
about what
Fred and Rose West did?
1406
01:15:34,834 --> 01:15:36,102
I'm not sure we do.
1407
01:15:36,136 --> 01:15:40,240
I think a lot of secrets
died with Fred West.
1408
01:15:40,273 --> 01:15:42,809
-I'm quite satisfied
that there are,
1409
01:15:42,842 --> 01:15:45,245
as yet,
victims who haven't been found,
1410
01:15:45,278 --> 01:15:48,948
and I know this is shared
by investigators.
1411
01:15:48,982 --> 01:15:52,419
But they can't
keep digging forever.
1412
01:15:52,452 --> 01:15:55,822
-Rose convinced herself so much
1413
01:15:55,855 --> 01:15:57,957
that she was nothing to do
with those killings
1414
01:15:57,991 --> 01:16:00,960
and it was all Fred
that she now believes it.
1415
01:16:00,994 --> 01:16:03,396
I mean, she believes
she is innocent.
1416
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:10,603
**
1417
01:16:13,139 --> 01:16:16,976
**
1418
01:16:20,313 --> 01:16:22,215
-There were many
missed opportunities
1419
01:16:22,248 --> 01:16:24,351
to stop Fred and Rose.
1420
01:16:24,818 --> 01:16:26,820
They were hiding...
1421
01:16:27,253 --> 01:16:28,655
in plain sight.
1422
01:16:29,356 --> 01:16:31,157
-You had young women
1423
01:16:31,191 --> 01:16:34,127
who were simply falling off
the edge of the world
1424
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:35,462
in and around
Gloucestershire,
1425
01:16:35,495 --> 01:16:39,099
but no one seemed to be asking
the questions.
1426
01:16:39,132 --> 01:16:41,835
Why not? Because such things
never happen.
1427
01:16:41,868 --> 01:16:43,236
"What are you talking about?"
1428
01:16:43,269 --> 01:16:45,472
"Some fantastic horror story?"
1429
01:16:45,505 --> 01:16:48,842
Well, yes, but nobody knew
it was true.
1430
01:16:50,210 --> 01:16:54,114
-The legacy of the West case
is to remind us all
1431
01:16:54,147 --> 01:16:59,652
of the capacity of man and woman
to do the most evil deeds,
1432
01:17:00,153 --> 01:17:02,956
and present a bland face
to the world.
1433
01:17:05,025 --> 01:17:08,995
But I do believe it's important
to confront evil,
1434
01:17:09,029 --> 01:17:11,331
and not to sweep it
under the carpet.
1435
01:17:11,865 --> 01:17:15,502
Fred and Rose West
fundamentally threatened
1436
01:17:15,535 --> 01:17:18,471
our concept of family
and innocence.
1437
01:17:18,505 --> 01:17:22,042
I think it cost this country
its innocence.
1438
01:17:22,409 --> 01:17:24,411
**
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