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Nobody never mentioned too much about us. 11 00:02:27,364 --> 00:02:32,326 Really a long time it goes, and finally it gets to you. 12 00:02:34,328 --> 00:02:36,808 Finally, when the dust cleared, 13 00:02:36,852 --> 00:02:39,202 it was all over, 14 00:02:39,246 --> 00:02:43,337 and we realized we were being left out of the dream. 15 00:02:43,380 --> 00:02:45,382 It's the end. 16 00:02:46,862 --> 00:02:49,386 And, as the years go by, 17 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:53,216 we wonder, will anyone ever know... 18 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:56,437 who we are or what we did. 19 00:04:46,547 --> 00:04:50,072 Yeah. What you gonna do? 20 00:04:50,115 --> 00:04:53,945 They were the days of American innocence... 21 00:04:53,989 --> 00:04:56,034 OfFather Knows Best. 22 00:04:56,078 --> 00:04:58,385 Lady Day passed on, 23 00:04:58,428 --> 00:05:01,866 and Fats Domino enticed the nation to visit "Blueberry Hill." 24 00:05:01,910 --> 00:05:04,347 Elvis Presley burst out of Mississippi like a tornado, 25 00:05:04,391 --> 00:05:07,524 gathering followers from every sphere of American life. 26 00:05:07,568 --> 00:05:10,527 There was a cultural tidal wave in his hips and music. 27 00:05:10,571 --> 00:05:15,489 Radio stations flooded the country with this new sound from the South. 28 00:05:15,532 --> 00:05:19,057 But the roots of that music... the originators... remained unknown. 29 00:05:19,101 --> 00:05:22,583 These pioneers of rhythm and blues could be found... 30 00:05:22,626 --> 00:05:25,890 at the far reaches of the radio dial, playing soulfully for their loyal fans. 31 00:05:25,934 --> 00:05:28,589 But they were confined to frustration... 32 00:05:28,632 --> 00:05:32,462 as they watched their white counterparts triumph with the style they'd created. 33 00:05:32,506 --> 00:05:35,987 Struggling to find the key to mainstream America's heartbeat, 34 00:05:36,031 --> 00:05:38,860 scores of black artists and record companies... 35 00:05:38,903 --> 00:05:43,560 searched for a new sound that would free them from the race music label. 36 00:05:43,604 --> 00:05:45,867 In Detroit, that sound arrived. 37 00:07:36,238 --> 00:07:40,198 Yeah, we're, uh, doing a documentary about some music. 38 00:07:40,242 --> 00:07:43,593 You know a lot about music? You gotta know something about music. 39 00:07:43,637 --> 00:07:46,901 I know something about music. You know anything about Motown? 40 00:07:46,944 --> 00:07:50,208 - I like to listen to Motown. - Yeah. I was brought up on that stuff. 41 00:07:50,252 --> 00:07:51,993 Do you know about Motown? Oh, yes. 42 00:07:52,036 --> 00:07:53,995 Do you know a lot about music? 43 00:07:54,038 --> 00:07:56,127 - I like to think so. - Yes. I'm from Detroit. 44 00:07:56,171 --> 00:07:59,653 - Yeah. - Motown? Yeah, sure. The sound of Detroit. 45 00:07:59,696 --> 00:08:02,830 I know a little too much about music. 46 00:08:02,873 --> 00:08:05,049 What's your favorite Motown group? 47 00:08:05,093 --> 00:08:07,617 I wouldn't say group. I would go with Marvin Gaye. 48 00:08:07,661 --> 00:08:11,534 - I'd have to say Smokey Robinson probably. - Of course, Stevie Wonder. 49 00:08:11,578 --> 00:08:13,884 - I love the Supremes. - Four Tops. 50 00:08:13,928 --> 00:08:17,235 Would you happen to know who played the music on the Supremes albums? 51 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:20,935 You know, the instruments and stuff. I have no idea. 52 00:08:20,978 --> 00:08:25,635 Did you ever think about that? Mmm, I think about it with... No, I haven't, actually. 53 00:08:25,679 --> 00:08:30,074 Do you know who played the music for Smokey? Mmm, not right offhand. 54 00:08:30,118 --> 00:08:32,729 - It's the Miracles. - Um... 55 00:08:32,773 --> 00:08:35,558 It was Gladys Knight & the Pips, wasn't it? 56 00:08:35,602 --> 00:08:37,560 But did they play the music? 57 00:08:37,604 --> 00:08:40,084 - The Pips. - I don't think I know any of the musicians. 58 00:08:40,128 --> 00:08:42,783 Yeah. I'm familiar with Marvin Gaye. 59 00:08:42,826 --> 00:08:46,569 His band? No. Unfortunately, I can't say. 60 00:08:46,613 --> 00:08:51,182 What if I told you it was a group called the Funk Brothers who played on all that stuff? 61 00:08:51,226 --> 00:08:53,228 Wow. I had no idea. 62 00:08:53,271 --> 00:08:55,752 Who are the Funk Brothers? Who are they? 63 00:08:55,796 --> 00:08:59,277 - Really? - If it's true, I would believe it. 64 00:08:59,321 --> 00:09:02,106 They still around? 65 00:09:02,150 --> 00:09:04,935 People will ask, "What is the Motown sound?" 66 00:09:04,979 --> 00:09:08,983 They've asked producers. They've asked, uh, executives from Motown. 67 00:09:09,026 --> 00:09:12,595 "What was the Motown sound?" It was the musicians. Okay? 68 00:09:12,639 --> 00:09:15,946 When these cats cut tracks, 69 00:09:15,990 --> 00:09:20,821 no offense to any of the great artists that sang on them, but anybody could have sang on them. 70 00:09:20,864 --> 00:09:24,235 You could've had Deputy Dawg singing on some of this stuff. It would have been a hit... 71 00:09:24,259 --> 00:09:28,306 because the tracks were just so incredible. 72 00:09:28,350 --> 00:09:31,962 They were musical entities unto themselves. 73 00:09:32,006 --> 00:09:34,312 They had a natural feel for music. 74 00:09:34,356 --> 00:09:36,314 They were just that exceptional. 75 00:09:36,358 --> 00:09:41,145 Being really good jazz musicians, they could swing like crazy. 76 00:09:41,189 --> 00:09:45,236 That's something that's not always present in pop music. 77 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,631 - The bass drum had a note. - It wasn't a dead... 78 00:09:48,675 --> 00:09:53,810 - It was a boom. - So you had... 79 00:09:53,854 --> 00:09:56,204 When there's a groove like that, 80 00:09:56,247 --> 00:10:01,035 the subliminal effect is everybody feels good. 81 00:10:01,078 --> 00:10:04,299 They were the groundwork. They were the things that everything else was built on. 82 00:10:04,342 --> 00:10:08,129 It was like a river constantly flowing. 83 00:10:08,172 --> 00:10:12,394 Talent, creations, you know. People come in. 84 00:10:12,437 --> 00:10:15,049 "Who's available? Who's on the list? Well, call them in. 85 00:10:15,092 --> 00:10:17,834 Where are they? This one's out of town? Call the other one." 86 00:10:17,878 --> 00:10:20,010 But it was always the Funk Brothers. 87 00:10:20,054 --> 00:10:22,012 Always the Funk Brothers. First. 88 00:10:22,056 --> 00:10:25,712 Without them, there really wouldn't be a Motown. 89 00:10:25,755 --> 00:10:29,063 That was the sound. That was the foundation. 90 00:10:29,106 --> 00:10:31,674 That was it. That was the essence of Motown. 91 00:10:31,718 --> 00:10:35,330 That essence was an overpowering lineup of veteran groove masters... 92 00:10:35,373 --> 00:10:37,724 and trailblazing virtuosos. 93 00:10:37,767 --> 00:10:42,206 Guitarists Eddie Willis, Joe Messina and Robert White... 94 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:45,949 and keyboardists Johnny Griffith, Joe Hunter and Earl Van Dyke... 95 00:10:45,993 --> 00:10:50,040 wove an irresistible tapestry of instrumental hooks and counter-rhythms... 96 00:10:50,084 --> 00:10:52,956 over the electrifying core of the Motown groove... 97 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:58,092 A core comprised of James Jamerson, the tormented genius of the Motown bass... 98 00:10:58,135 --> 00:11:00,703 and late-era bassist Bob Babbitt, 99 00:11:00,747 --> 00:11:04,272 percussionists Jack Ashford and Eddie "Bongo" Brown, 100 00:11:04,315 --> 00:11:07,362 drummers Uriel Jones, "Pistol" Allen... 101 00:11:07,405 --> 00:11:09,712 and the explosive Benny "Papa Zita" Benjamin, 102 00:11:09,756 --> 00:11:12,062 the creator of the Motown drumbeat. 103 00:11:12,106 --> 00:11:15,979 The dance floors of the world didn't stand a chance. 104 00:13:38,208 --> 00:13:41,298 After World War II, the auto industry boom... 105 00:13:41,342 --> 00:13:45,999 turned Detroit into an economic magnet for people in search of steady work. 106 00:13:46,042 --> 00:13:49,089 Tens of thousands migrated to the city. 107 00:13:49,132 --> 00:13:51,178 Among them, several future Funk Brothers. 108 00:13:51,221 --> 00:13:55,095 Actually, Jamerson came from South Carolina. 109 00:13:55,138 --> 00:13:58,228 Uh, Eddie Willis came from Mississippi. 110 00:13:58,272 --> 00:14:02,015 Pistol came from Memphis, Tennessee, and I'm from Jackson, Tennessee. 111 00:14:02,058 --> 00:14:05,061 We came north... Mostly our people came north... 112 00:14:05,105 --> 00:14:09,065 to get jobs in the car factories here in Detroit, Michigan. 113 00:14:09,109 --> 00:14:11,241 And, uh, 114 00:14:11,285 --> 00:14:13,243 I worked at Chevrolet myself. 115 00:14:13,287 --> 00:14:16,072 I worked at Chevrolet for about a year and a half. 116 00:14:16,116 --> 00:14:19,989 The last thing we wanted to do was work in the factories. 117 00:14:20,033 --> 00:14:23,079 We really wanted to play music, and that's what we ended up doing. 118 00:14:23,123 --> 00:14:24,994 The Funk Brothers ended up playing music. 119 00:14:37,964 --> 00:14:41,532 Berry showed up down at Little Sam's one time. 120 00:14:41,576 --> 00:14:46,494 He walked over by the bandstand while we were playing and, uh, said... 121 00:14:46,537 --> 00:14:49,976 He said to me, "Would you have time to talk to me?" 122 00:14:50,019 --> 00:14:52,108 I says, "I got more time than money." 123 00:14:52,152 --> 00:14:54,502 And he explained to me what he was about. 124 00:14:54,545 --> 00:14:56,939 He wanted to set up a record company... 125 00:14:56,983 --> 00:14:59,159 and he needed good musicians. 126 00:14:59,202 --> 00:15:01,378 I thought it was a wonderful idea. 127 00:15:01,422 --> 00:15:04,381 And wanted to know, did I know anybody that could feel the thing. 128 00:15:04,425 --> 00:15:08,124 He already knew Mr. Benjamin... Benny Benjamin, "Papa Zita." 129 00:15:08,168 --> 00:15:12,259 So he called the first rehearsal over at Claudette's house... 130 00:15:12,302 --> 00:15:15,001 Smokey Robinson's wife at that time. 131 00:15:15,044 --> 00:15:17,960 That was late '58. 132 00:15:18,004 --> 00:15:21,572 And then Papa Zita was already there, and I was there. 133 00:15:21,616 --> 00:15:26,142 We eventually found the great James Jamerson on bass. 134 00:15:26,186 --> 00:15:29,058 I remember my dad saying as a child growing up... 135 00:15:29,102 --> 00:15:31,713 that he would take a stick and take a rubber band... 136 00:15:31,756 --> 00:15:34,672 and put one part at one end and the other part at the other... 137 00:15:34,716 --> 00:15:36,979 and stick it in an ant hole... 138 00:15:37,023 --> 00:15:39,025 and make the ants dance. 139 00:15:54,475 --> 00:15:56,999 When he was a kid on Edisto Island, 140 00:15:57,043 --> 00:16:01,482 James and his friends would slip through a window into their little two-room schoolhouse. 141 00:16:01,525 --> 00:16:05,703 They'd light a fire and play the piano until class started. 142 00:16:05,747 --> 00:16:10,708 After school, they'd continue making music in a neighbor's vacant summer home, 143 00:16:10,752 --> 00:16:15,365 where there just happened to be an old piano and an upright bass. 144 00:16:17,063 --> 00:16:20,718 The most important pointer that my father taught me... 145 00:16:20,762 --> 00:16:24,766 When I'm playing, if I don't feel it, don't play it. 146 00:16:24,809 --> 00:16:30,554 You know, a lot of guys would just play straight... 147 00:16:30,598 --> 00:16:33,079 With no feeling. But he would play it like... 148 00:16:39,085 --> 00:16:44,438 You know, put something in it. He just felt life was music. 149 00:16:44,481 --> 00:16:47,354 He used to tell this story... 150 00:16:47,397 --> 00:16:49,356 This one song he did... 151 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:52,141 He saw a fat woman walking down the street... 152 00:16:52,185 --> 00:16:55,797 and just her butt going from boom to boom to boom, badoom, badoom... 153 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,496 That was his interpretation of music. 154 00:16:59,540 --> 00:17:04,153 He put music to just about anything that had life to it. 155 00:17:04,197 --> 00:17:07,287 There's an indentment right here in the bass... 156 00:17:07,330 --> 00:17:10,072 where he kept his thumb right here as a rest. 157 00:17:10,116 --> 00:17:12,379 That's how old this bass is. 158 00:17:12,422 --> 00:17:14,729 You can see all the dirt on here. 159 00:17:14,772 --> 00:17:17,601 Uh, as he says, "The dirt keeps the funk." 160 00:17:17,645 --> 00:17:20,430 This has been the original bass ever since he started playing, 161 00:17:20,474 --> 00:17:23,172 before he switched over to Precision. 162 00:17:23,216 --> 00:17:27,350 He used this on "Heat Wave," "My Guy," "Shop Around"... 163 00:17:27,394 --> 00:17:29,744 Most of the Mary Wells stuff... 164 00:17:29,787 --> 00:17:33,443 "You Beat Me To The Punch," some other earlier stuff with Stevie. 165 00:17:33,487 --> 00:17:37,534 He played with one finger on all those hits just like this. 166 00:17:37,578 --> 00:17:39,536 The finger was called the hook. 167 00:17:39,580 --> 00:17:42,539 It would hook like this. On all them songs that you heard, 168 00:17:42,583 --> 00:17:44,802 basically it was done with one finger. 169 00:17:44,846 --> 00:17:48,806 I have trouble playing with two fingers the line that he played. 170 00:17:48,850 --> 00:17:50,808 You couldn't even touch his timing, 171 00:17:50,852 --> 00:17:53,724 because he could hear another time in his head... 172 00:17:53,768 --> 00:17:57,772 and be playing cut time against what you're playing and it would fit. 173 00:17:57,815 --> 00:18:02,124 There was never a bass player on no coast then... 174 00:18:02,168 --> 00:18:06,128 If there was a West Coast, East Coast... whatever coast you wanna call it... 175 00:18:06,172 --> 00:18:08,304 That was comparable to a James Jamerson. 176 00:18:08,348 --> 00:18:12,308 It's the height of creativity, you know, and freedom... 177 00:18:12,352 --> 00:18:17,444 and experimentation and fearlessness. 178 00:18:17,487 --> 00:18:23,145 You have to be absolutely fearless to play those notes in that place... 179 00:18:23,189 --> 00:18:27,628 and yet be responsible for your... 180 00:18:27,671 --> 00:18:30,152 For the bottom of the groove like that. 181 00:18:30,196 --> 00:18:32,850 I thought bass playing was played like that all the time. 182 00:18:32,894 --> 00:18:38,334 Little did I know that it was my father changing the course of bass. 183 00:18:38,378 --> 00:18:41,337 ["] 184 00:18:41,381 --> 00:18:46,342 Soon about 19 and 60, Berry bought a house on West Grand Boulevard. 185 00:18:46,386 --> 00:18:48,344 This house had a garage... 186 00:18:48,388 --> 00:18:50,564 with a dirt floor. 187 00:18:50,607 --> 00:18:53,349 Walk down the four timeworn wooden steps... 188 00:18:53,393 --> 00:18:57,179 into the basement of 2648 West Grand Boulevard, 189 00:18:57,223 --> 00:19:00,182 and you enter a fantasyland... 190 00:19:00,226 --> 00:19:03,446 A tiny, dimly lit room with smoke-stained walls, 191 00:19:03,490 --> 00:19:07,233 where dreams came true for Motown's young stars... 192 00:19:07,276 --> 00:19:11,889 A place where timeless classics like "I Can't Help Myself," "Shop Around"... 193 00:19:11,933 --> 00:19:14,370 and "Where Did Our Love Go" were born. 194 00:19:14,414 --> 00:19:16,894 This is Hitsville, U.S.A., 195 00:19:16,938 --> 00:19:19,593 the home of the Motown sound. 196 00:19:19,636 --> 00:19:23,249 But to the musicians who worked there, it was just Studio "A," 197 00:19:23,292 --> 00:19:27,383 affectionately referred to as the Snakepit. 198 00:19:27,427 --> 00:19:30,299 It was the site of countless steamy 4:00 a.m. sessions... 199 00:19:30,343 --> 00:19:34,216 where monster hits were cranked out in an hour or less... 200 00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:38,220 A place where deadly grooves threatened to set the walls on fire. 201 00:19:38,264 --> 00:19:43,225 This was the home of Motown's studio band, the Funk Brothers. 202 00:19:43,269 --> 00:19:46,924 Smokey was the main one that pulled this off. He'd dream of a song. 203 00:19:46,968 --> 00:19:49,753 He'd come in with something written down... two bars... 204 00:19:49,797 --> 00:19:51,581 Or two verses of it on some paper... 205 00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:54,802 It's basically, "Hey, I got a tune. What do you think of this?" 206 00:19:54,845 --> 00:19:57,413 Joe would say, "This is what you're trying to play." 207 00:19:57,457 --> 00:19:59,913 He'd give him the chord and full structure. Next thing you know, 208 00:19:59,937 --> 00:20:04,420 "Hey, hey. Come here, James." He'd make James play this line. In a minute you'd have a song. 209 00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:06,596 That's how the studio was every day. 210 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,729 And they'd fight to get to Studio "A." 211 00:20:08,772 --> 00:20:13,734 This is the first time we've been in here to play since the '70s. 212 00:20:13,777 --> 00:20:18,652 A lot of these people come here for the first time... they have no idea what's in here. 213 00:20:18,695 --> 00:20:22,525 Because, along with our creativity, 214 00:20:22,569 --> 00:20:24,962 was Berry's prayers in here... 215 00:20:25,006 --> 00:20:29,402 that we would be successful in what we were doing to make those hits. 216 00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:32,970 We used to hear it in his voice, the way he used to talk to us. 217 00:20:33,014 --> 00:20:35,582 We used to hear the artists... How they would talk to us. 218 00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:38,367 A lot of prayers were in this building, wasn't there, Joe? Yeah. 219 00:20:38,411 --> 00:20:41,979 True. You have no idea the gravity... 220 00:20:42,023 --> 00:20:44,417 of what went on emotionally. 221 00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:47,289 I swear to God, when I went in there tonight, 222 00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:49,291 I could just feel it. 223 00:20:49,335 --> 00:20:51,293 I could almost touch it. 224 00:20:51,337 --> 00:20:53,948 It never left that room. Yeah. It's a strange feeling. 225 00:20:53,991 --> 00:20:56,559 It never left that room. It's in there. 226 00:23:42,856 --> 00:23:45,511 I was playing up in Boston, Massachusetts... 227 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:48,209 when I ran into Marvin Gaye. 228 00:23:48,252 --> 00:23:51,821 I didn't know who he was. Someone from his entourage said, 229 00:23:51,865 --> 00:23:53,997 "I want you to meet a famous singer." 230 00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:57,653 I said, "Okay." He said, "His name is Marvin Gaye." 231 00:23:57,697 --> 00:24:00,917 I didn't realize Marvin was standing with the guy. I didn't know who he was. 232 00:24:00,961 --> 00:24:04,051 "You ever heard of Marvin Gaye?" I said, "Nah. Never heard of him. 233 00:24:04,094 --> 00:24:06,532 If he don't play jazz, I don't know him." 234 00:24:06,575 --> 00:24:09,230 I was kind of cocky because all jazz musicians were cocky. 235 00:24:09,273 --> 00:24:11,667 Everybody wanted to be like Miles Davis, 236 00:24:11,711 --> 00:24:13,930 no matter what instrument you played. 237 00:24:13,974 --> 00:24:17,717 So I talked with Marvin, and he was telling about... He was starting a band... 238 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,502 and would I like to come to Detroit? 239 00:24:20,546 --> 00:24:24,680 No musician turns down a good gig, so I said I'd come. 240 00:24:24,724 --> 00:24:27,204 Was this, like, a garage area? Garage. 241 00:24:27,248 --> 00:24:31,644 It was a dirt floor from the beginning. 242 00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:34,995 They had a piece of plywood in this area with a piano sitting right there. 243 00:24:35,038 --> 00:24:36,997 Mm-hmm. Okay. 244 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,695 And the walls had carpeting. 245 00:24:39,739 --> 00:24:42,524 Cinder block.Yeah. 246 00:24:42,568 --> 00:24:44,787 And the entrance was right about there. 247 00:24:44,831 --> 00:24:49,139 Not being a bass player, not being a guitar player, not being a drummer, 248 00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:55,058 arrangers would come in and just have a general idea of... 249 00:24:55,102 --> 00:24:58,540 Or a concept... and we'd leave it up to the masters. 250 00:24:58,584 --> 00:25:00,890 You were allowed four songs in a three-hour session. 251 00:25:00,934 --> 00:25:04,067 Right. And we would get no less than two. 252 00:25:04,111 --> 00:25:08,245 But that's because the same guys played together all the time. All the time. 253 00:25:08,289 --> 00:25:12,859 So the only thing that changed was the changes. It was like a home. 254 00:25:12,902 --> 00:25:18,212 - We spent so much time there. - It was always usually Jamerson kicking something off... 255 00:25:18,255 --> 00:25:21,084 and, uh, everybody falling in. 256 00:25:21,128 --> 00:25:23,826 Or either Benny. If Benny kicked something off, 257 00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:26,742 Jamerson had something to throw in that fit it. 258 00:25:26,786 --> 00:25:29,310 And, uh, then everybody could come in. 259 00:25:29,353 --> 00:25:34,184 Back then, you guys would have to do the tune all in one take. 260 00:25:34,228 --> 00:25:37,579 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes. From beginning to end. 261 00:25:37,623 --> 00:25:40,669 In the earlier days, they only had three tracks to work with. 262 00:25:40,713 --> 00:25:46,283 That was a great school for mixing because we only had one shot at it. 263 00:25:46,327 --> 00:25:49,809 You only had one shot. You had to get it right the first time. That's right. 264 00:25:49,852 --> 00:25:54,074 We felt as though it was our job to lay the groundwork for these kids to have... 265 00:25:54,117 --> 00:26:00,080 as a place to really develop their careers in singing because we had the experience. 266 00:26:00,123 --> 00:26:03,736 They had the talent. We had the experience. They were all really young? 267 00:26:03,779 --> 00:26:07,130 Very young. Most of the producers were young. All the producers were young. 268 00:26:07,174 --> 00:26:12,222 There was a bunch of fellas standing around, drinking a little wine, 269 00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:14,660 called the Contours. 270 00:26:14,703 --> 00:26:20,013 We was up there doing a funny band track... something I'd never heard before. 271 00:26:20,056 --> 00:26:21,841 They had the charts out... 272 00:26:24,408 --> 00:26:28,804 We start playing, you know... start playing the chart when the director came up there. 273 00:26:28,848 --> 00:26:32,808 And, uh, after we finished, 274 00:26:32,852 --> 00:26:35,637 I said, "That will never be a hit." 275 00:26:35,681 --> 00:26:40,163 And the Contours walked up to each one of us like... 276 00:26:40,207 --> 00:26:44,820 a little kid eating ice cream, "Oh, thank you. Thank you. That's a beautiful band track." 277 00:26:44,864 --> 00:26:48,650 I said, "They're crazy." You know what I mean? 278 00:28:51,425 --> 00:28:53,775 In the early days of Motown... 279 00:28:53,819 --> 00:28:58,084 the Funk Brothers played on some big hits, like the Miracles' "Shop Around," 280 00:28:58,127 --> 00:29:00,434 the Marvelettes' "Please, Mr. Postman"... 281 00:29:00,477 --> 00:29:03,785 and Mary Wells' "You Beat Me To The Punch." 282 00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:08,050 But still there was not enough recording work down in the Snakepit to make a living. 283 00:29:08,094 --> 00:29:13,142 So, in 1961, James Jamerson, Joe Hunter and a few of the other band members... 284 00:29:13,186 --> 00:29:15,971 left to go on the road with Jackie Wilson. 285 00:29:16,015 --> 00:29:18,147 But Wilson was recovering from a gunshot wound... 286 00:29:18,191 --> 00:29:21,498 and didn't have the strength to perform more than once or twice a week. 287 00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:26,112 Realizing their new situation was worse, they returned home to Motown, 288 00:29:26,155 --> 00:29:29,289 where Berry Gordy welcomed them back with open arms. 289 00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:32,205 But their touring days were not yet over. 290 00:29:32,248 --> 00:29:35,904 Like, in the early '60s, you went out with the Marvelettes. 291 00:29:35,948 --> 00:29:39,212 - I went out with Marvin and Stevie Wonder. - Yeah. 292 00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:43,564 Then we did gigs maybe 200 miles outside Detroit occasionally. 293 00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:45,914 - That weren't nothing. - Yeah, Joe. 294 00:29:45,958 --> 00:29:51,050 The first really big tour was the 1962 Motor Town Revue, 295 00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:53,530 Right. Where we had 30 one-nighters... 296 00:29:53,574 --> 00:29:56,490 in New England and in the South... 297 00:29:56,533 --> 00:30:00,015 and then ten days at the Apollo. Oh, man. That's a long trip. 298 00:30:00,059 --> 00:30:02,539 That was a thriller. All that was a thriller. 299 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,464 We were on the road, coming back from up north on that gig, 300 00:30:14,508 --> 00:30:18,947 Yep. And everyone was packed in the car half sleeping. 301 00:30:18,991 --> 00:30:21,210 Mm-hmm. As I think back on that, 302 00:30:21,254 --> 00:30:24,866 Marvin Gaye was the drummer on that gig, wasn't he? Yep. 303 00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:27,608 That was religious. I think he was a better singer though. 304 00:30:27,651 --> 00:30:31,046 You know that's right. And they had us in this big old station wagon. 305 00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:33,570 Right, right. It was about 2:00 in the morning. 306 00:30:33,614 --> 00:30:35,572 Right. And it was freezing. 307 00:30:35,616 --> 00:30:38,358 And Jamerson in the car with you. Ain't that somethin'. 308 00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:41,187 Damn. I know that was rough. Yeah. 309 00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:43,406 It was about ten degrees outside. 310 00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:45,408 We were coming down the mountainside. 311 00:30:45,452 --> 00:30:48,411 We were all dozing off. We told all the jokes we could think of. 312 00:30:50,587 --> 00:30:53,895 And Jamerson says, "Can you pull the car over? 313 00:30:53,939 --> 00:30:55,505 Robert, can you pull the car over?" 314 00:30:58,378 --> 00:31:01,424 Damn. What you doin', man? 315 00:31:01,468 --> 00:31:03,426 Hurry up, man. It's cold outside. 316 00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:06,342 So, he pulls over to the side of the road, 317 00:31:06,386 --> 00:31:10,912 goes back there to get to the trunk, pulls this brown paper bag out, 318 00:31:10,956 --> 00:31:13,262 jumps back in the car. Man, it's cold outside. 319 00:31:13,306 --> 00:31:16,918 He decides to put his pajamas on in the back of the car. 320 00:31:16,962 --> 00:31:21,314 In order for me to go to sleep, I got to put my p.j.'s on. He's bumping people... 321 00:31:21,357 --> 00:31:23,359 and slamming people's heads and everything. 322 00:31:23,403 --> 00:31:26,493 Everybody's complaining now. 323 00:31:26,536 --> 00:31:30,410 Everybody settles back down again, 'cause we knew about being around Jamerson. 324 00:31:30,453 --> 00:31:35,154 Just try to keep him as tranquil as possible, because he can really get out there. 325 00:31:35,197 --> 00:31:39,114 And all of a sudden that bag rustles again. 326 00:31:48,602 --> 00:31:52,475 Oh, my God. He got pig's feet, man. 327 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,957 Smelled like somebody kicked a doggone skunk in the behind. 328 00:31:56,001 --> 00:31:59,004 Everybody really got ticked about that 'cause it was rancid. 329 00:31:59,047 --> 00:32:02,355 Man, we raised so much Cain in there, he just said, "Okay, okay... ". 330 00:32:02,398 --> 00:32:04,966 All right. I might put the top back on.Aw. 331 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:06,968 I might. You better put the top back on. 332 00:32:07,012 --> 00:32:09,492 That stuff stinks, man. Just to keep the peace. 333 00:32:09,536 --> 00:32:12,539 So he put the lid back on it. So he's sitting back... 334 00:32:12,582 --> 00:32:15,629 Everybody's kind of dozing again. 335 00:32:15,672 --> 00:32:18,980 We see a light light in the back. Somebody lit a match. It's Jamerson. 336 00:32:19,024 --> 00:32:21,374 He lights his funky, stogie cigar. 337 00:32:21,417 --> 00:32:23,071 That's it! Hey, Rob. 338 00:32:23,115 --> 00:32:25,160 Rob, pull the car over, man! 339 00:32:25,204 --> 00:32:27,989 He said, "Pull the car over. We're putting him out." 340 00:32:28,033 --> 00:32:30,992 Somebody need to regulate you, James. 341 00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:34,691 So, sure enough, Robert pulls over to the side. Out goes James... 342 00:32:34,735 --> 00:32:39,131 with his funky pig's feet, his pajamas and his cigar. 343 00:32:47,139 --> 00:32:51,012 - Well - That's right. - That was Jamerson for you. 344 00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:53,188 We thought about it and went back. 345 00:32:53,232 --> 00:32:55,712 Yeah, to run over his butt. 346 00:33:06,071 --> 00:33:10,031 Benny played with Dizzy, Charlie Parker, 347 00:33:10,075 --> 00:33:14,427 Ray Charles, Lowell Fulson, Muddy Waters, 348 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:18,039 Jimmy Reed, Chuck Berry. 349 00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:21,042 Benny played with the best was out there. 350 00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:23,392 He was the main standard drummer, 351 00:33:23,436 --> 00:33:26,178 and I was the pianist at that time. 352 00:33:26,221 --> 00:33:28,745 Right. Before Earl got there. 353 00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:34,360 Anyway, uh, we liked to frequent the corn liquor places. He had a taste for corn liquor. 354 00:33:34,403 --> 00:33:38,538 So, this day we went, and we hadn't had too much sleep. 355 00:33:38,581 --> 00:33:43,499 Benny was up there. He was doing a tune called "Hitchhike" by Marvin Gaye. 356 00:33:43,543 --> 00:33:48,243 They kicked off the tune, and Benny was noddin' and dropped his sticks. 357 00:33:48,287 --> 00:33:52,247 So the A&R man went up there and smelled his breath. 358 00:33:52,291 --> 00:33:56,164 He said, "Benny! I see you been drinkin'. Benny!" 359 00:33:56,208 --> 00:33:59,820 He picked up his sticks real quick, and he said, "Papa Zita. Papa Zita." 360 00:33:59,863 --> 00:34:03,432 After that, everybody in the studio started calling him Papa Zita. 361 00:34:03,476 --> 00:34:07,219 He come in the studio one time late, and he told Berry... 362 00:34:07,262 --> 00:34:12,093 He said, "Man, I was on the freeway on my way here." 363 00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:14,269 Said the traffic got tied up... 364 00:34:14,313 --> 00:34:17,098 'cause the circus had just come into town, 365 00:34:17,142 --> 00:34:20,797 and the truck had an accident, and the elephants got out of the truck and got loose... 366 00:34:20,841 --> 00:34:23,496 and was holding up the traffic. Oh, man. Come on. 367 00:34:23,539 --> 00:34:27,804 And everybody knew... They knew he was lying, 'cause, guess what. 368 00:34:27,848 --> 00:34:31,373 Benny didn't even drive. 369 00:34:31,417 --> 00:34:35,638 First of all, Benny was a master at lockin' a tempo. 370 00:34:35,682 --> 00:34:38,293 He was like a... He's like a metronome. 371 00:34:38,337 --> 00:34:41,253 He would lock it, see. And, uh, 372 00:34:41,296 --> 00:34:46,258 then he had certain kinds of pickups, which, uh, were only unique to him. 373 00:34:46,301 --> 00:34:49,478 For instance, a Benny Benjamin pickup would go like this... 374 00:34:50,697 --> 00:34:52,612 Like that. You know. 375 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,537 That's different. Okay, Uriel Jones would play, you know... 376 00:35:12,371 --> 00:35:16,114 Then, if I was playing four bars or something like that, I'd play... 377 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:24,861 All three of those pickups came from Papa Zita... 378 00:35:24,905 --> 00:35:28,213 Benny Benjamin... you know, he originated them. 379 00:35:28,256 --> 00:35:32,391 I'm really curious as to how you all got the name the Funk Brothers. 380 00:35:32,434 --> 00:35:35,307 Look here, one day, when Benny got ready to leave, 381 00:35:35,350 --> 00:35:38,832 he walked up them steps, and Benny said, 382 00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:41,878 "You all are the Funk Brothers." 383 00:35:41,922 --> 00:35:44,446 And I'll remember that all of my days. 384 00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:46,840 All of my days. And we are the Funk Brothers. 385 00:36:59,304 --> 00:37:00,870 Blow that horn! Come on. 386 00:38:58,423 --> 00:39:00,860 I was raised in Detroit. 387 00:39:00,903 --> 00:39:03,689 I studied classics for about 10, 12 years. 388 00:39:03,732 --> 00:39:06,387 Then I found out I couldn't make any money doing that. 389 00:39:06,431 --> 00:39:09,564 So I went on a rampage of singers. 390 00:39:09,608 --> 00:39:12,567 I worked for so many. I was an accompanist. 391 00:39:12,611 --> 00:39:14,917 So I did some work with Sarah Vaughan. 392 00:39:14,961 --> 00:39:18,486 I did some work with Lou Rawls and Dinah Washington. 393 00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:21,533 She was the queen of the blues, 394 00:39:21,576 --> 00:39:24,840 supposedly, at that time, you know... until Aretha. 395 00:39:24,884 --> 00:39:27,539 They crowned Aretha the new queen of the blues. 396 00:39:27,582 --> 00:39:30,890 I was working with her at that time. I worked with both the queens. 397 00:39:30,933 --> 00:39:35,851 I was working in the club, and first Mickey Stevenson came by. 398 00:39:35,895 --> 00:39:38,898 He told me, how would I like to be a studio musician? 399 00:39:38,941 --> 00:39:41,117 I said, "Well, what is that?" 400 00:39:41,161 --> 00:39:44,904 He said, "Well, come by the studio and listen to what Joe is doing... 401 00:39:44,947 --> 00:39:46,906 and work from that point." 402 00:39:46,949 --> 00:39:49,474 I said, "Okay, fine." 403 00:39:49,517 --> 00:39:51,650 So, I went by there... 404 00:39:51,693 --> 00:39:54,435 and Joe was doing this record. 405 00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:56,916 It was "Pride and Joy" or something like that. 406 00:39:56,959 --> 00:39:59,745 I sit and listen. I said, "What the hell are you doing?" 407 00:39:59,788 --> 00:40:03,488 'Cause we never played to nobody singing. 408 00:40:03,531 --> 00:40:06,447 The tracks... You just cut the tracks and you just played. 409 00:40:06,491 --> 00:40:09,711 I said, "How do you know what to play?" 'Cause I was used to accompanying. 410 00:40:09,755 --> 00:40:11,800 He said, "Just play what you want to play. 411 00:40:11,844 --> 00:40:14,063 "They don't know what they're listening to anyway. 412 00:40:14,107 --> 00:40:16,085 Just play. If it's too much, they'll let you know." 413 00:40:16,109 --> 00:40:19,982 He was my, uh, 414 00:40:20,026 --> 00:40:24,509 introduction to the... To the R&B record scene. 415 00:40:28,643 --> 00:40:31,167 Joe was the man around town as far as recording. 416 00:40:31,211 --> 00:40:33,735 He'd been recording for everybody. 417 00:40:39,698 --> 00:40:43,484 Actually, my mother... she could teach up to around the third grade of music. 418 00:40:43,528 --> 00:40:46,661 So she had a lot of little students in the area. 419 00:40:46,705 --> 00:40:49,664 I was out trying to shoot marbles and play football with the rest. 420 00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:52,188 They didn't figure I had any talent. 421 00:40:52,232 --> 00:40:56,845 But I'd be listening to everything that she was teaching when I was in the living room. 422 00:40:56,889 --> 00:41:00,893 Actually, I thought it was a spiritual thing really, the way that it came about. 423 00:41:00,936 --> 00:41:03,199 I was trying to play "Stormy Weather." 424 00:41:03,243 --> 00:41:06,681 It looked like the keys was just going by themselves. 425 00:41:06,725 --> 00:41:11,207 I was trying to stick my hands into those holes and catch up with the keys. 426 00:41:11,251 --> 00:41:13,732 When my grandmother came in, she said, "Donna"... 427 00:41:13,775 --> 00:41:17,823 That's what she called my mother... "This boy is in here playing 'Stormy Weather.'" 428 00:41:17,866 --> 00:41:23,655 My favorite classical pianist was Rachmaninov. 429 00:41:23,698 --> 00:41:26,832 I heard him. He had such a terrific left hand. 430 00:41:26,875 --> 00:41:29,791 I said, I wish my left hand could be like that. 431 00:41:29,835 --> 00:41:32,968 I'd put my right hand in my pocket and just play with my left, 432 00:41:33,012 --> 00:41:38,583 trying to get as fast as Art Tatum and Rachmaninov. 433 00:41:38,626 --> 00:41:42,064 In the 1960s, jazz clubs were springing up all over Detroit... 434 00:41:42,108 --> 00:41:47,243 with names like the Flame Show Bar, Phelps Lounge, the Apex, 435 00:41:47,287 --> 00:41:50,072 the 20 Grand and the Chit Chat. 436 00:41:50,116 --> 00:41:52,988 These venues were oases where the Funk Brothers could escape... 437 00:41:53,032 --> 00:41:55,687 the pressure cooker atmosphere of the studio... 438 00:41:55,730 --> 00:42:00,213 by returning to their roots and playing cool jazz into the wee hours of the morning. 439 00:42:00,256 --> 00:42:03,303 New ideas that hatched in these spirited jam sessions... 440 00:42:03,346 --> 00:42:05,871 often shimmied their way into the Snakepit, 441 00:42:05,914 --> 00:42:09,614 adding new textures and rhythms to the Motown sound. 442 00:42:09,657 --> 00:42:14,009 My stage name was Lottie the Body, and I had a beautiful body. 443 00:42:14,053 --> 00:42:18,318 I was an exotic dancer... one of the greatest exotic dancers in the world. 444 00:42:18,361 --> 00:42:21,277 As a matter of fact, I considered being the greatest. 445 00:42:21,321 --> 00:42:24,803 I worked with small bands, big, big orchestras. 446 00:42:24,846 --> 00:42:28,676 Teddy Harris' big orchestra. I worked with Count Basie. 447 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,897 You had to know how... If she moved one cheek, 448 00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:34,856 there was a certain drum she wanted you to hit. 449 00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:39,252 If she moved the left leg, there was a certain drum. You had to catch all this stuff, 450 00:42:39,295 --> 00:42:41,602 plus keep in rhythm with the band. 451 00:42:41,646 --> 00:42:45,606 But after you worked with her a while, you feel her out, and it was a little easier. 452 00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:48,304 But the first time I worked with her, 453 00:42:48,348 --> 00:42:51,133 I swore I wasn't gonna do it again. 454 00:42:51,177 --> 00:42:55,094 I'm sorry, darling. Oh, it was a pleasure. 455 00:42:55,137 --> 00:42:57,270 You feel like it? Yeah. Let's do it, baby. 456 00:42:57,313 --> 00:42:59,751 Don't kill me, baby. I ain't gonna kill you. 457 00:42:59,794 --> 00:43:01,883 Just kind of make me feel good. 458 00:43:05,017 --> 00:43:07,976 A lot of the rhythms that we did do in the studio... 459 00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:10,979 is rhythms that came from working with Lottie. 460 00:43:11,023 --> 00:43:15,636 Because we wasn't doing too much what you call Afro-Cuban, you know. 461 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,294 So, just like both "Grapevines." Marvin Gaye's, like... 462 00:43:21,337 --> 00:43:23,992 And Gladys... 463 00:43:24,036 --> 00:43:27,300 All that's Latin stuff. We did all that stuff with Lottie. 464 00:43:27,343 --> 00:43:31,652 This is the spot where a whole lot of stuff happened. 465 00:43:31,696 --> 00:43:33,654 The third... One, two, three... 466 00:43:33,698 --> 00:43:37,658 The third door over there. That's where the Chit Chat was. 467 00:43:37,702 --> 00:43:41,662 When I was coming here today earlier, and when I passed by here, 468 00:43:41,706 --> 00:43:43,969 I looked over, and I said, "There they are." 469 00:43:44,012 --> 00:43:45,971 It couldn't be no clearer. 470 00:43:46,014 --> 00:43:48,930 The Chit Chat was a place... Though it was small, 471 00:43:48,974 --> 00:43:51,846 everybody in Detroit knew about the Chit Chat... 472 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:54,153 and knew what was happening at the Chit Chat. 473 00:43:54,196 --> 00:43:57,939 With Motown being not that far down the street here, you had... 474 00:43:57,983 --> 00:44:01,203 Any Motown act would show up at the Chit Chat, 475 00:44:01,247 --> 00:44:04,119 from Marvin... 476 00:44:04,163 --> 00:44:06,295 to the Four Tops, 477 00:44:06,339 --> 00:44:08,689 Contours, the Originals, 478 00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:10,735 the Temps. 479 00:44:10,778 --> 00:44:14,390 We was still really enjoying our jazz thing then, you know. 480 00:44:14,434 --> 00:44:18,133 But we did things here that we would do in the session the next day. 481 00:44:18,177 --> 00:44:22,050 Right. That was the uniqueness of the Funk Brothers, 482 00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:26,794 because, if we were doing a tune and a change was similar to something... 483 00:44:26,838 --> 00:44:29,144 in one of the jazz tunes that we played, 484 00:44:29,188 --> 00:44:32,713 Earl would say, "Well, do so-and-so, so-and-so like we did last night." 485 00:44:32,757 --> 00:44:36,717 And we would interject that into the change of the song. That's right. 486 00:44:36,761 --> 00:44:40,808 And the song would take on a different color... something they hadn't planned on. 487 00:44:40,852 --> 00:44:44,072 Of course, the producers... "Oh, man, That's hip." And they had a hit. 488 00:44:44,116 --> 00:44:48,076 The Funk Brothers ruled the nightlife... 489 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,862 of Detroit's club scene in the '60s, 490 00:44:50,905 --> 00:44:53,429 but their realm was a rough-and-tumble world, 491 00:44:53,473 --> 00:44:55,780 where getting paid at the end of the evening... 492 00:44:55,823 --> 00:44:58,913 often proved as challenging as the music they were playing. 493 00:44:58,957 --> 00:45:01,133 Benny was working with us. 494 00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:05,441 And Benny used to go in there in the daytime when we wasn't working and drink. 495 00:45:05,485 --> 00:45:10,011 And sometimes I think the waitresses would put a higher tab on him than anything else. 496 00:45:10,055 --> 00:45:13,406 But when the owner got ready to pay us off, 497 00:45:13,449 --> 00:45:17,758 he'd reach up in his thing and pull out a great big, old fat gun... 498 00:45:17,802 --> 00:45:20,456 Looked like a German "Lukas" .45... Mm-hmm. 499 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:24,896 And popped it on the table and he looked around at each one of us and said, 500 00:45:24,939 --> 00:45:28,943 "Your drummer Benny has over-tabbed." 501 00:45:28,987 --> 00:45:31,467 He says, "In fact, he's gone into y'all's money." 502 00:45:31,511 --> 00:45:36,995 At that particular time, Jamerson pulled out a piece... his piece... and laid it down. 503 00:45:37,038 --> 00:45:39,301 He says, "I got to feed my family." He looked. 504 00:45:39,345 --> 00:45:42,304 Then Robert White pulled out a piece... 505 00:45:42,348 --> 00:45:45,873 And nobody expected Robert to pull out a piece... and he laid his down. 506 00:45:45,917 --> 00:45:50,922 He looked around, and I pulled out my little .22 and laid it down. 507 00:45:50,965 --> 00:45:53,489 He said, "What kind of band have I got here?" 508 00:45:53,533 --> 00:45:56,492 He got so confused until he even paid Benny. 509 00:45:56,536 --> 00:45:59,017 He paid everybody. Yeah. 510 00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:04,109 Motown was really... It was America's introduction... 511 00:46:04,152 --> 00:46:07,199 to soul music. 512 00:46:07,242 --> 00:46:09,549 It was America's introduction to soul music. 513 00:46:09,592 --> 00:46:13,292 And soul music is powerful. Soul music makes you believe. 514 00:46:13,335 --> 00:46:17,426 Soul music gives you hope in the way that you feel... 515 00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:19,515 In the way that you want to feel. 516 00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:23,824 That's what was coming out of the sounds I heard these men making as a child. 517 00:46:23,868 --> 00:46:28,002 It gave me unconscious hope. I didn't know why. It gave my father hope. 518 00:46:28,046 --> 00:46:31,353 So, for years and years, players... 519 00:46:31,397 --> 00:46:34,922 and producers have been trying to... 520 00:46:34,966 --> 00:46:39,187 find that magic Motown sound and pocket... 521 00:46:39,231 --> 00:46:42,147 as if it's some sort of a formula. 522 00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:45,063 People would always say everything but the musicians. 523 00:46:45,106 --> 00:46:48,196 They would say it was the artist, the producers, 524 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,984 the way the building was structured or the wood in the floor, 525 00:46:53,027 --> 00:46:55,595 or maybe even food. 526 00:46:55,638 --> 00:47:01,296 I'd like to see 'em take some barbecue ribs or hamburgers and throw down in that studio, 527 00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:05,213 shut the door and count out one, two, three, four and get a hit out of there. 528 00:47:05,257 --> 00:47:07,215 The formula was the musicians. 529 00:47:07,259 --> 00:47:10,218 I'll be Earl Van Dyke. 530 00:47:10,262 --> 00:47:14,222 Take "Ain't Too Proud To Beg," which I think everybody is familiar with. 531 00:47:14,266 --> 00:47:17,922 All right. Uriel, give it to me... you and Pistol. 532 00:47:19,924 --> 00:47:22,100 See how that feels right there? 533 00:47:22,143 --> 00:47:25,059 I'm gonna put a little bass in there. One, two, three, four. 534 00:47:27,322 --> 00:47:30,586 All right. Now bring a little bit of guitars in there for you. 535 00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:34,895 One, two, three, four. 536 00:47:34,939 --> 00:47:38,594 All right. We'll bring a little Johnny Griffith on keyboard in there. 537 00:47:42,468 --> 00:47:44,600 You see how that feels? 538 00:47:44,644 --> 00:47:46,907 That's part of the Motown sound, right? 539 00:47:46,951 --> 00:47:49,257 Now I'm gonna add my tambourine to it. 540 00:47:49,301 --> 00:47:51,520 Only a beat better. 541 00:50:42,517 --> 00:50:45,346 By the time the Funk Brothers recorded Jimmy Ruffin's... 542 00:50:45,390 --> 00:50:48,306 "What Becomes of the Brokenhearted" in 1966, 543 00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:52,179 the Motown sound had traveled a great distance from the twist records... 544 00:50:52,223 --> 00:50:55,617 and blues and doo-wop-influenced tracks of its early days. 545 00:50:55,661 --> 00:51:00,535 Advances in recording technology and an influx of skilled arrangers and composers... 546 00:51:00,579 --> 00:51:05,366 had brought about new levels of sonic clarity and musical sophistication. 547 00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:08,456 But the most noticeable difference was power... 548 00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:11,111 Raw power. 549 00:51:11,155 --> 00:51:14,854 The added muscle coincided with the emergence of keyboardist Earl Van Dyke... 550 00:51:14,897 --> 00:51:18,118 as one of the central figures down in Studio "A." 551 00:51:18,162 --> 00:51:20,562 He was a natural born leader whose forceful playing style... 552 00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:24,124 was jokingly called "gorilla piano." 553 00:51:24,168 --> 00:51:28,389 Van Dyke became the hub through which Motown's producers and arrangers... 554 00:51:28,433 --> 00:51:32,132 often communicated their ideas to the band. 555 00:51:32,176 --> 00:51:35,483 He was like the glue for everything... Earl was. 556 00:51:35,527 --> 00:51:38,791 He's... solid keyboard. He'd have the piano rocking actually. 557 00:51:38,834 --> 00:51:41,359 Actually rocking. That's why we call him Big Funk. 558 00:51:41,402 --> 00:51:45,319 They'd have to have a piano tuner come in and redo things... 559 00:51:45,363 --> 00:51:48,627 after Earl got through playing because he put so much muscle into it. 560 00:51:48,670 --> 00:51:53,197 When Earl came in, that's when we developed the style of two pianos playing... 561 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,330 Not together... But accompanying each other. 562 00:51:56,374 --> 00:51:59,812 But there were so many good days among the musicians in the studio. 563 00:51:59,855 --> 00:52:03,207 You guys had fun. We had fun. We had fun. 564 00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:05,383 And you must... Like I've said before... 565 00:52:05,426 --> 00:52:08,342 There were kids like Stevie who we could never get rid of. 566 00:52:08,386 --> 00:52:12,303 Stevie liked to hang out with the guys, him being a musician. 567 00:52:12,346 --> 00:52:15,654 We could never really get rid of Stevie. Stevie was always there. 568 00:52:15,697 --> 00:52:19,788 Stevie and the Four Tops and Marvin Gaye... 569 00:52:19,832 --> 00:52:21,790 They were always in there. Bobby Taylor. 570 00:52:21,834 --> 00:52:24,445 The older guys have always been our favorites. 571 00:52:27,622 --> 00:52:30,408 He was part of the foundation of Motown. 572 00:52:30,451 --> 00:52:33,846 He was one of the first ones to teach me piano. 573 00:52:33,889 --> 00:52:38,633 A lot of the people here today are really, um, 574 00:52:38,677 --> 00:52:43,508 people that were the musical foundation of Motown. 575 00:52:43,551 --> 00:52:46,815 Earl was a great man and, most of all, a spiritual man. 576 00:52:46,859 --> 00:52:50,384 Stevie came here with Mr. Paul... Clarence Paul. 577 00:52:50,428 --> 00:52:54,214 They were standing on the steps as you go into the studio. 578 00:52:54,258 --> 00:52:56,912 When we got through doing the little ditty, 579 00:52:56,956 --> 00:52:59,785 first thing he walked over to was the piano where I was. 580 00:52:59,828 --> 00:53:02,309 He says, "I like the way you play the piano." 581 00:53:02,353 --> 00:53:05,399 I showed him a few chords. He said, "What's that?" 582 00:53:05,443 --> 00:53:08,881 I said, "That's an E-flat major, and I'm throwing a color tone in there, 583 00:53:08,924 --> 00:53:11,405 which is the flatted fifth," and so forth and so on. 584 00:53:11,449 --> 00:53:13,973 He shake his head, "Yeah." 585 00:53:14,016 --> 00:53:18,586 Finally I found out about a year later he didn't need me. 586 00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:21,807 He done learned more than I'd learned. 587 00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:25,332 The same thing with Benny. Benny taught him how to hold his wrists... 588 00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:29,423 and how to use those sticks, and I don't think he needed Benny. 589 00:53:29,467 --> 00:53:31,643 - He fired everybody he worked with. - Yeah. 590 00:53:34,515 --> 00:53:38,867 When I started playing music, I didn't start on drums. I was playing trombone. 591 00:53:38,911 --> 00:53:42,828 At the same time I was playing trombone, I was training down at Brewster Center. 592 00:53:42,871 --> 00:53:46,832 You know, boxing. I was determined to do both of them. 593 00:53:46,875 --> 00:53:51,402 But it was kind of hard, 'cause they was kicking my butt at Brewster, 594 00:53:51,445 --> 00:53:54,753 and when I'd come to class to play trombone, my lip would be swollen. 595 00:53:54,796 --> 00:53:57,495 I'd be trying to play out the side of my mouth. 596 00:53:57,538 --> 00:54:00,280 My music teacher told me, "You gotta make up your mind. 597 00:54:00,324 --> 00:54:04,371 You're gonna either box or you're gonna be a musician." 598 00:54:04,415 --> 00:54:07,983 So I said, "Okay." That's when I started playing drums. 599 00:54:08,027 --> 00:54:10,725 So, I didn't have no full set of drums. 600 00:54:10,769 --> 00:54:15,774 I had a snare drum. I had a high hat. I don't know what I was using for a cymbal. 601 00:54:15,817 --> 00:54:21,780 But I know my bass drum was one of those old heavy cardboard beer cases. 602 00:54:21,823 --> 00:54:24,957 And right to the day, I have never found the sound... 603 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,699 that sound as good as that beer case did. 604 00:54:29,353 --> 00:54:34,706 We were sneaking around town. Different studios. United Sound. 605 00:54:34,749 --> 00:54:36,882 Pack Three. Pack Three. 606 00:54:36,925 --> 00:54:42,583 You know. We was doing a little outside moonlighting. 607 00:54:42,627 --> 00:54:44,846 And you weren't supposed to? 608 00:54:44,890 --> 00:54:50,025 No, see, 'cause some of these guys were under contract... exclusive contracts. 609 00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:53,072 Motown wanted to keep the sound. 610 00:54:53,115 --> 00:54:57,424 Yeah. Yeah. I guess they was paying for it. I guess a few bucks. You know. 611 00:54:59,383 --> 00:55:05,345 So they started putting spies around in different places. 612 00:55:05,389 --> 00:55:09,349 Like, in hidden cars and behind buildings... 613 00:55:09,393 --> 00:55:13,962 and the shrubbery that was near the studio. 614 00:55:14,006 --> 00:55:16,661 They had spies like that around, you know. 615 00:55:16,704 --> 00:55:19,620 They offered me a hundred dollars a week to be a spy. 616 00:55:19,664 --> 00:55:21,622 How much? A hundred. 617 00:55:21,666 --> 00:55:23,972 One hundred dollars. 618 00:55:24,016 --> 00:55:27,454 Extra hundred bucks a week. Naturally, I took it. I said, "Well, yeah." 619 00:55:27,498 --> 00:55:30,675 Throw it all in the pot. It's all the same to me. 620 00:55:30,718 --> 00:55:33,721 I had no intentions of spying on anybody anyway. 621 00:55:33,765 --> 00:55:37,986 When they'd see us coming out, there would be at least a couple of them are gonna say, 622 00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:42,687 "We caught you. You're fired. You're fired. 623 00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:44,689 You're fired." 624 00:55:44,732 --> 00:55:48,083 This is real. And you said to Jack, 625 00:55:48,127 --> 00:55:52,000 "You're fired twice... 626 00:55:52,044 --> 00:55:56,396 because we saw you coming out of there yesterday." 627 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,704 Finally they called me in and said, "Look, we're paying you. 628 00:55:59,747 --> 00:56:02,663 You haven't told us anything. Who's doing what where?" 629 00:56:02,707 --> 00:56:04,970 I said, "Well, there's nothing happening." 630 00:56:05,013 --> 00:56:09,583 They said, "Well, no, we've got pictures of people coming out of the studios... 631 00:56:09,627 --> 00:56:12,107 "and, you know... 632 00:56:12,151 --> 00:56:15,981 As a result, you're fired." 633 00:56:16,024 --> 00:56:19,767 I said, "Wait a minute. How can you fire me? 634 00:56:19,811 --> 00:56:23,423 "From what I've seen... James Bond and all these guys... 635 00:56:23,467 --> 00:56:28,036 "The usual spy... you get a Maserati or you get a... 636 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,779 You gonna give me a hundred dollars a week... I can't even buy gas." 637 00:56:31,823 --> 00:56:34,608 They said, "Look, 638 00:56:34,652 --> 00:56:36,610 we're still firing you." 639 00:56:36,654 --> 00:56:38,786 So I lost my job as a spy, 640 00:56:38,830 --> 00:56:43,443 but they let me continue to... To play piano. 641 00:56:43,487 --> 00:56:47,099 Even during Motown's golden period, 642 00:56:47,142 --> 00:56:49,971 when Hitsville sessions were going on around the clock, 643 00:56:50,015 --> 00:56:52,670 the Funk Brothers were still dashing all over Detroit... 644 00:56:52,713 --> 00:56:55,455 recording for any studio or record label... 645 00:56:55,499 --> 00:56:59,633 that offered them another opportunity to create some magic. 646 00:56:59,677 --> 00:57:03,594 Among the hits recorded outside of Motown were Jackie Wilson's "Higher and Higher," 647 00:57:03,637 --> 00:57:05,813 John Lee Hooker's "Boom Boom Boom"... 648 00:57:05,857 --> 00:57:08,990 and the Capitols' hit dance tune, "Cool Jerk." 649 00:59:23,995 --> 00:59:26,954 In the mid-'60s, Motown was a permanent fixture... 650 00:59:26,998 --> 00:59:29,261 at the top of theBillboard charts. 651 00:59:29,304 --> 00:59:32,307 As their artists chalked up one number-one hit after another, 652 00:59:32,351 --> 00:59:35,659 they began to emerge as some of the brightest stars... 653 00:59:35,702 --> 00:59:38,139 in the galaxy of R&B and pop music. 654 00:59:38,183 --> 00:59:42,970 But the Funk Brothers remained earthbound and unknown. 655 00:59:43,014 --> 00:59:45,669 While they were beginning to share the financial success, 656 00:59:45,712 --> 00:59:49,324 they missed out on that elusive entity... glory. 657 00:59:49,368 --> 00:59:52,850 Their last great tour before they became totally studio-bound... 658 00:59:52,893 --> 00:59:56,157 opened their eyes to what fame could mean. 659 00:59:56,201 --> 00:59:59,247 It was the acclaimed 1965 Tamla-Motown revue... 660 00:59:59,291 --> 01:00:02,294 that took England by storm. 661 01:00:02,337 --> 01:00:04,644 What amazed me... 662 01:00:04,688 --> 01:00:06,690 They actually knew the musicians. 663 01:00:06,733 --> 01:00:08,692 When we got off of the plane in London, 664 01:00:08,735 --> 01:00:11,129 these little British guys come up to us with these signs, 665 01:00:11,172 --> 01:00:14,306 and I said, "Who are these guys?" 666 01:00:14,349 --> 01:00:17,657 They walked up and said, "We're the James Jamerson Appreciation Fan Club." 667 01:00:17,701 --> 01:00:21,226 I said, "James Jamerson? He's not even with us. 668 01:00:21,269 --> 01:00:26,100 Maybe I'll be James Jamerson. I could use a fan club."That's right. 669 01:00:26,144 --> 01:00:29,756 While Motown invaded the U.K., 670 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,238 the British were invading the U.S., armed with some American weapons... 671 01:00:33,281 --> 01:00:35,675 Motown tunes. 672 01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:37,740 The Beatles landed in New York with cover versions... 673 01:00:37,764 --> 01:00:41,072 of "Please, Mr. Postman," "Money"... 674 01:00:41,115 --> 01:00:44,684 and "You've Really Got a Hold on Me" in their musical arsenal. 675 01:00:44,728 --> 01:00:48,166 John Lennon remarked that the Motown drummer hit a snare with so much force... 676 01:00:48,209 --> 01:00:50,734 "it sounded like he hit it with a bloody tree." 677 01:00:50,777 --> 01:00:56,043 There was no doubt they were listening to Motown's musicians and listening hard. 678 01:00:56,087 --> 01:00:59,394 In subsequent years, other British bands covered Motown hits, 679 01:00:59,438 --> 01:01:03,355 including the Rolling Stones, with their renditions of "Ain't Too Proud to Beg,". 680 01:01:03,398 --> 01:01:06,097 "My Girl" and "Going to a Go-Go." 681 01:01:06,140 --> 01:01:10,754 The Funk Brothers' musical influence had spread to musicians all over the world, 682 01:01:10,797 --> 01:01:13,017 whether they knew it or not. 683 01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:16,020 You know, in the mid-'60s when we were at Motown, 684 01:01:16,063 --> 01:01:19,240 we were pretty hot and we would have producers lined up back to back... 685 01:01:19,284 --> 01:01:21,852 waiting to get into the studio to work with us. 686 01:01:21,895 --> 01:01:25,943 They didn't even consider the fact that it was a 12-hour or 14-hour day sometimes. 687 01:01:25,986 --> 01:01:28,728 "Rig" means when you play the song so much... 688 01:01:28,772 --> 01:01:31,470 until it begins to get stiff and everybody's tired, 689 01:01:31,513 --> 01:01:33,907 you'd say, "Rigor mortis is here now." 690 01:01:33,951 --> 01:01:37,258 'Cause you exhausted your creativity on it, you know. 691 01:01:37,302 --> 01:01:40,871 Which happens sometimes, especially when we had a producer... 692 01:01:40,914 --> 01:01:44,788 that we told him he was wasting his money, then he was gonna prove he wasn't. 693 01:01:44,831 --> 01:01:49,488 "Take 64!" He starts floggin' us. 694 01:01:49,531 --> 01:01:52,404 Wasn't nothin' really gonna happen then. 695 01:01:52,447 --> 01:01:55,755 So we had to find some place to relax... 696 01:01:55,799 --> 01:01:59,280 because it was really a pressure cooker in the Snakepit at that time. 697 01:01:59,324 --> 01:02:01,979 This one time, Earl came up and said that he'd found... 698 01:02:02,022 --> 01:02:05,112 a funeral parlor that we could go and hide out. 699 01:02:05,156 --> 01:02:07,767 Shit. So we would just do this on many occasions... 700 01:02:07,811 --> 01:02:09,963 because, as I said, we were cutting seven days a week. 701 01:02:09,987 --> 01:02:13,773 The studio finally found out where we were hanging out, 702 01:02:13,817 --> 01:02:17,777 and damn if Motown didn't send somebody over there from management... 703 01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:20,214 to find out where we were hiding. What's that smell? 704 01:02:20,258 --> 01:02:22,216 Just a little embalming fluid. 705 01:02:22,260 --> 01:02:25,829 Earl had had the funeral director trained what to say... 706 01:02:25,872 --> 01:02:28,527 in the event that someone would come over there. 707 01:02:28,570 --> 01:02:32,357 - But I really, really have to go. - Wait. 708 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,317 I want to show you how to use my saw and bone crusher. 709 01:02:36,361 --> 01:02:38,406 We would fall down laughing. 710 01:02:40,452 --> 01:02:44,151 You're not gonna believe this. I was forced to play a tambourine. 711 01:02:44,195 --> 01:02:46,850 In church? No. With Charles Harrison. 712 01:02:46,893 --> 01:02:49,853 Came to the rehearsal when they were the big tambourines. 713 01:02:49,896 --> 01:02:52,507 Looked like a dishpan. I'd never touched one.Right. 714 01:02:52,551 --> 01:02:55,989 So I got finished doing my solo. He said, "Pick the tambourine up, man." 715 01:02:56,033 --> 01:02:58,383 I said, "Hell, no." He said, "Pick the tambourine... ". 716 01:02:58,426 --> 01:03:01,038 He got angry 'cause I wouldn't pick the tambourine up. 717 01:03:01,081 --> 01:03:03,388 So I picked the damn tambourine up. 718 01:03:05,042 --> 01:03:08,349 I didn't know what happened. I said, "Damn, this feels good." 719 01:03:08,393 --> 01:03:12,136 I started playin', and the tambourine just took on a life of its own. 720 01:03:12,179 --> 01:03:15,835 I came from Memphis, Tennessee, and I started... 721 01:03:15,879 --> 01:03:18,490 First began on the drums and everything. 722 01:03:18,533 --> 01:03:22,363 I started in a commerce class, you know, on a Royal typewriter. 723 01:03:22,407 --> 01:03:25,540 You know? I wanted to be a CPA, an engineer. 724 01:03:25,584 --> 01:03:28,065 So we had to take typing class, you know. 725 01:03:28,108 --> 01:03:31,155 So I was sitting there at the desk listening to drum beats, 726 01:03:31,198 --> 01:03:35,028 so I wind up playin' drum beats on the typewriter. 727 01:03:35,072 --> 01:03:40,207 So the teacher'd say, "Hey, what do you want to do? Play the drums or be a CPA?" 728 01:03:40,251 --> 01:03:44,255 I said, "I want to play drums." So she kicked me out, and that's how I got into playing drums. 729 01:03:44,298 --> 01:03:48,563 And I moved to Detroit, West End, with all the guys, 730 01:03:48,607 --> 01:03:51,044 got into the jazz thing. 731 01:03:51,088 --> 01:03:54,091 Then while at the 20 Grand with Levi Mann, 732 01:03:54,134 --> 01:03:57,485 Benny used to come in and play some of the shows; I met Benny Benjamin. 733 01:03:57,529 --> 01:04:00,575 And Benny said, "Hey, man, you sound good. Why don't you come down? 734 01:04:00,619 --> 01:04:02,926 "You can play this stuff. It's easy. 735 01:04:02,969 --> 01:04:06,407 All you gotta do is play... And keep your mouth closed." 736 01:04:06,451 --> 01:04:08,583 Fine. I got in. 737 01:04:08,627 --> 01:04:11,499 "Grapevine..." The beat on the tom-tom like that... Mm-hmm. 738 01:04:11,543 --> 01:04:15,068 It came like the old days, took it from the backbeat.Yes. 739 01:04:18,942 --> 01:04:23,250 With a backbeat to it. So Shank, Joe Messina and three guitars... 740 01:04:23,294 --> 01:04:27,080 Uh-huh. So Jamerson came in... 741 01:04:27,124 --> 01:04:31,432 So Shank, Joe and Robert came an octave ahead of, you know, Jamerson. 742 01:04:31,476 --> 01:04:34,566 That's where that funk got to get in. But you got to have that head action. 743 01:04:34,609 --> 01:04:37,090 Uh-huh. You like that? 744 01:04:37,134 --> 01:04:40,615 Yeah, baby! 745 01:04:40,659 --> 01:04:45,098 - She's getting down already. - Turn the tape on. 746 01:07:24,779 --> 01:07:30,394 We were all quite happy about the success of... "I Heard It Through the Grapevine." 747 01:07:30,437 --> 01:07:35,616 At the same time, there was a mixed emotion type thing going on with Benny Benjamin. 748 01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:38,663 He had a drug problem, a bad drug problem. 749 01:07:38,706 --> 01:07:41,100 He was just about at the bottom. 750 01:07:41,144 --> 01:07:46,758 But at one point, Benny kind of disappeared for a couple of weeks. 751 01:07:46,801 --> 01:07:52,416 So Earl, you know, started trying to find out what happened to him. 752 01:07:52,459 --> 01:07:55,810 And he, uh... He found Benny. 753 01:07:55,854 --> 01:08:01,338 And Earl came in just before the session started and said, 754 01:08:01,381 --> 01:08:06,299 "Guys, I don't think there's gonna be no session. See, Benny just died." 755 01:08:06,343 --> 01:08:09,476 And, uh, you know, that was it. 756 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,652 It turned everybody around. Yeah, it turned... 757 01:08:11,696 --> 01:08:15,221 So we didn't do no session that day.Yeah. 758 01:08:15,265 --> 01:08:18,703 You know, when they would pass the music out to the musicians, 759 01:08:18,746 --> 01:08:21,619 every group would get their own little stuff together. 760 01:08:21,662 --> 01:08:24,361 I'd get together with Earl because I played vibes, 761 01:08:24,404 --> 01:08:27,146 and they'd pass the music over to the guitar players. 762 01:08:27,190 --> 01:08:31,411 And they would huddle together like a group of little magpies workin' on it. 763 01:08:31,455 --> 01:08:35,415 They'd be tryin' their parts and laughin' up their sleeves. 764 01:08:35,459 --> 01:08:39,898 So Earl would just look at 'em, and he named 'em Heckle, Jeckle and Son. 765 01:08:39,941 --> 01:08:43,336 And they'd jump up and say, "Yeah, we got it. We're ready." 766 01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:47,688 And so, you know... They'd really tear it up, too, because they really did have it together. 767 01:08:47,732 --> 01:08:51,301 All of it was important, as you know... the parts. 768 01:08:51,344 --> 01:08:55,870 And we'd just work around each other, and nothin' ever ran into each other. 769 01:08:55,914 --> 01:08:59,222 I think the magic was we'd listen to each other. 770 01:08:59,265 --> 01:09:01,876 And we liked each other, which was important. 771 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,750 Yeah, right, Joe. Yeah. We had a friendship. I think that helped. 772 01:09:05,793 --> 01:09:09,754 I was born in Mississippi. My little town was Grenada, Mississippi. 773 01:09:09,797 --> 01:09:13,888 I built my own guitar out of a broom wire... 774 01:09:13,932 --> 01:09:16,630 and attached it to the house, and I made the house rock. 775 01:09:16,674 --> 01:09:21,200 I moved to Detroit in '52.1952. 776 01:09:21,244 --> 01:09:25,900 My dad had a guitar in the house. He liked the instrument. 777 01:09:25,944 --> 01:09:29,687 He used to play Italian weddings. You know, they played the Italian music. 778 01:09:29,730 --> 01:09:32,472 All that influenced me. You know, just anybody. 779 01:09:32,516 --> 01:09:34,909 Whoever was playing guitar. Listening to radio, 780 01:09:34,953 --> 01:09:38,217 and listening to Chet Atkins, B.B. King or Albert King. 781 01:09:38,261 --> 01:09:42,308 I'd practice all day. At times, I would skip school to practice. 782 01:09:42,352 --> 01:09:45,529 First gig was with this group with Marv Johnson, 783 01:09:45,572 --> 01:09:49,924 and eventually he did take me into Motown and I did a couple of his recordings. 784 01:09:49,968 --> 01:09:53,493 It so happened, everybody liked what they heard, you know. 785 01:09:53,537 --> 01:09:56,714 I was playing some pretty good funk, man, you know. 786 01:09:56,757 --> 01:10:00,500 And they kind of went for it, so I ended up stayin' there. 787 01:10:00,544 --> 01:10:03,721 I end up on the night show with Soupy Sales. 788 01:10:03,764 --> 01:10:06,245 Uh, I was there for 14 years. 789 01:10:06,289 --> 01:10:08,769 We had some very good musicians. 790 01:10:08,813 --> 01:10:11,946 Who used to come there? We had Charlie Parker, 791 01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:14,558 Miles, Coltrane. 792 01:10:14,601 --> 01:10:17,952 I never listened to guitar players. Mainly horn men. 793 01:10:17,996 --> 01:10:20,651 I was more in the jazz vein. 794 01:10:20,694 --> 01:10:23,654 I liked Charlie Parker, so I'd get all his records. 795 01:10:31,966 --> 01:10:34,621 I was working a club called the 20 Grand... 796 01:10:34,665 --> 01:10:36,797 with Levi Mann, and Berry came in. 797 01:10:36,841 --> 01:10:41,411 And, uh, he talked to me. He asked me if I wanted to record for him. 798 01:10:41,454 --> 01:10:44,283 I said, "Yes, I will." 799 01:10:44,327 --> 01:10:47,808 Did y'all mention Eddie Bongo? 'Cause he was a Funk Brother. All through. 800 01:10:47,852 --> 01:10:50,724 Eddie was a good guy. Eddie kept a whole lot of mess going, 801 01:10:50,768 --> 01:10:53,031 and he was Marvin's right-hand man. 802 01:10:53,074 --> 01:10:58,297 The thing I remember about him most was his conga playing. He could really play. 803 01:10:58,341 --> 01:11:03,476 If there's one guy that kept things loose, it was Eddie "Bongo" Brown. 804 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:08,525 Bongo's got the music sheets up there. I don't know why they put that music sheet up there. 805 01:11:08,568 --> 01:11:12,833 He couldn't even read. Had the sheets sitting up there. Got the producer tricked. 806 01:11:12,877 --> 01:11:16,315 Bongo's just playing his ass off. He's playing. Boom, boom, boom, boom. 807 01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:19,840 I look over there, and he's got a nudie magazine sittin' up there... 808 01:11:19,884 --> 01:11:23,017 with legs gaped over him with moon feet. 809 01:11:23,061 --> 01:11:27,631 Oh, my God! And they swore that he was readin'. Readin'. 810 01:11:27,674 --> 01:11:30,721 He invented a couple licks that I hear a lot now... 811 01:11:30,764 --> 01:11:33,550 I think he borrowed them from the Caribbean... 812 01:11:33,593 --> 01:11:37,815 Where he'd lick his finger and slide it over the drum and get a great sound. 813 01:11:37,858 --> 01:11:40,992 He got all kinds of neat little sounds that way. 814 01:11:41,035 --> 01:11:43,081 He'd put 'em in between his licks, 815 01:11:43,124 --> 01:11:45,910 and people would say, "What was that? What was that?" 816 01:11:45,953 --> 01:11:49,522 The producer would go crazy. "What's that? Do that again." 817 01:11:49,566 --> 01:11:53,526 When I started out singing, I used to sing in this little blues bar called Dan Lynch, 818 01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:55,572 and they had this amazing jukebox. 819 01:11:55,615 --> 01:11:58,401 I would go over there pretty much every night after I played, 820 01:11:58,444 --> 01:12:00,901 and I would play that song, "What Becomes of the Brokenhearted." 821 01:12:00,925 --> 01:12:03,884 I feel as though "Brokenhearted" is a song that could really live again. 822 01:12:03,928 --> 01:12:06,887 This'll be the audition today, and see if we can... 823 01:12:06,931 --> 01:12:10,543 No, it won't be an audition. You've already passed the test. For me. 824 01:12:10,587 --> 01:12:14,721 It's a good opportunity to see if you really like it after we finish playing it... 825 01:12:14,765 --> 01:12:16,897 To see if we still have it. 826 01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:54,218 You know, that's probably one of the more recognizable... 827 01:16:54,261 --> 01:16:58,004 guitar licks of the early Motown days, 828 01:16:58,048 --> 01:17:02,661 and when I originally played it 27 years ago, 829 01:17:02,705 --> 01:17:06,099 I didn't think much about it... Only that it worked. 830 01:17:06,143 --> 01:17:10,887 In the small confines of Studio "A," 831 01:17:10,930 --> 01:17:13,803 myself and the rest of the musicians didn't realize... 832 01:17:13,846 --> 01:17:16,849 what an impact we'd have on the rest of the world. 833 01:17:16,893 --> 01:17:19,939 He was very quiet, and he had a mystique about him. 834 01:17:19,983 --> 01:17:24,683 But you couldn't find a better, steadier guitarist. 835 01:17:24,727 --> 01:17:27,860 And the chords were jazz, but he made it fit in R&B. 836 01:17:27,904 --> 01:17:32,909 They called us the Oreo Cookie Guitar Section, 837 01:17:32,952 --> 01:17:37,696 because... Robert White sat to my right and Eddie Willis sat to my left. 838 01:17:37,740 --> 01:17:41,221 And the white boy. Joseph. 839 01:17:41,265 --> 01:17:46,749 Shortly after Earl Van Dyke died in 1992, 840 01:17:46,792 --> 01:17:50,230 I was going out to visit Robert in Los Angeles. 841 01:17:50,274 --> 01:17:53,712 We went out to eat, and wouldn't you know it, 842 01:17:53,756 --> 01:17:55,975 as we're about to order and the waiter's comin' over, 843 01:17:56,019 --> 01:17:58,717 all of a sudden you hear the guitar line from "My Girl"... 844 01:17:58,761 --> 01:18:01,720 come over the speaker in the restaurant. 845 01:18:01,764 --> 01:18:04,418 And Robert got real excited, real animated, and he said... 846 01:18:04,462 --> 01:18:08,248 As the waiter walked over, he said, "Hey, man, you hear that? That's... That's... ". 847 01:18:08,292 --> 01:18:11,164 And he stopped dead. 848 01:18:11,208 --> 01:18:14,733 Then he kind of looked embarrassed and looked down at the menu, and he says, 849 01:18:14,777 --> 01:18:16,909 "I think I'll have the barbecued chicken." 850 01:18:16,953 --> 01:18:19,259 Then I just ordered my thing, and the guy walked away, 851 01:18:19,303 --> 01:18:22,872 and I said, "Robert, you were gonna tell him that was you, weren't you?" 852 01:18:22,915 --> 01:18:25,831 He said... He kind of looked embarrassed, and he said, 853 01:18:25,875 --> 01:18:30,227 "Yeah, yeah, but... I don't know. He'd look at me and say look at this tired old fool. 854 01:18:30,270 --> 01:18:33,926 He'd never believe it." And that floored me. 855 01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:38,931 Because here's a guy who played a guitar line that's the equivalent... 856 01:18:38,975 --> 01:18:41,760 It's like one of the top five all-time guitar hooks. 857 01:18:41,804 --> 01:18:44,284 It's right up there with "Satisfaction" by the Stones... 858 01:18:44,328 --> 01:18:47,984 and "Paperback Writer" or "Come As You Are" from Nirvana. 859 01:18:48,027 --> 01:18:52,466 At that point I realized, here's a guy who's lived for 30 years, this close to his dream, 860 01:18:52,510 --> 01:18:56,470 and yet instead of being inside the dream looking out, 861 01:18:56,514 --> 01:19:01,084 he was on the outside of the dream looking in, never able to touch that dream. 862 01:19:01,127 --> 01:19:05,958 I knew at that point Robert desperately needed some recognition in his lifetime. 863 01:19:06,002 --> 01:19:09,962 But he didn't make it across the finish line with the rest of the guys. 864 01:19:13,009 --> 01:19:16,142 The summer of love introduced the world... 865 01:19:16,186 --> 01:19:20,320 to the soaring guitar and pulsating wah-wah of Jimi Hendrix. 866 01:19:20,364 --> 01:19:25,543 The following year, Sly Stone's relentless Oakland funk swept over an enraptured public. 867 01:19:25,586 --> 01:19:31,157 Mesmerized by these new trends, Motown producer Norman Whitfield enlisted the Funk Brothers, 868 01:19:31,201 --> 01:19:35,901 along with innovative newcomers Wah Wah Watson and Dennis Coffey, 869 01:19:35,945 --> 01:19:39,513 to help fuse these new elements into the Motown sound. 870 01:19:39,557 --> 01:19:43,822 Psychedelic soul had arrived down in the Snakepit. 871 01:19:43,866 --> 01:19:46,390 In San Francisco with Jimi Hendrix, 872 01:19:46,433 --> 01:19:49,088 they had a lot of the fuzz tones... 873 01:19:49,132 --> 01:19:52,222 and they had the wah-wah pedal and things like that... 874 01:19:52,265 --> 01:19:54,398 The special effects on some of the guitars. 875 01:19:54,441 --> 01:19:57,401 And what happened was, in one of those earlier sessions... 876 01:19:57,444 --> 01:20:00,404 where we were rehearsing and working with producers, 877 01:20:00,447 --> 01:20:04,582 Norman Whitfield came in and he brought in this song, "Cloud Nine." 878 01:20:04,625 --> 01:20:09,065 And I had a wah-wah pedal with me, and I took it out and started playing it. 879 01:20:09,108 --> 01:20:11,589 And within a few days, I got the call to do the session. 880 01:23:18,471 --> 01:23:24,216 I haven't heard anybody play "What's Going On" like the record, ever. Nobody. 881 01:23:24,260 --> 01:23:28,351 The only person I ever heard do it was Babbitt last week. I never heard Babbitt. 882 01:23:28,394 --> 01:23:30,788 Oh, Babbitt did it last week? 883 01:23:30,831 --> 01:23:34,400 When I heard Babbitt... I'm sorry... the other night, it just blew me away, man. 884 01:23:34,444 --> 01:23:39,753 Dang, I felt like I was back, you know, 35, 40 years ago as a kid. 885 01:23:39,797 --> 01:23:42,060 I'm sorry. What'd you say? Ralphe, you remember? 886 01:23:42,104 --> 01:23:44,715 As a bass player in Detroit, I know I came a little later... 887 01:23:44,758 --> 01:23:47,413 You were late. It was '74, '72. 888 01:23:47,457 --> 01:23:52,418 But if you could not play that solo from that record that Bob Babbitt did... 889 01:23:52,462 --> 01:23:55,334 You remember? "Scorpio"? Oh, yeah. 890 01:23:55,378 --> 01:23:59,295 You weren't a bass player. You couldn't get a gig! That's right. 891 01:23:59,338 --> 01:24:02,080 You couldn't play, man. He's tellin' the truth. 892 01:24:02,124 --> 01:24:05,083 You couldn't get a gig. "Scorpio." 893 01:24:05,127 --> 01:24:10,349 You couldn't get a gig if you couldn't play that. You wasn't doin' nothin'. 894 01:24:10,393 --> 01:24:14,701 See, what was so beautiful about it... People loved Babbitt. It wasn't about no color. 895 01:24:14,745 --> 01:24:17,139 They just loved his musicianship. That's all it was. 896 01:24:17,182 --> 01:24:20,055 All the cats in the hood. "Man, that's Babbitt." 897 01:24:26,452 --> 01:24:28,802 When I went to... 898 01:24:28,846 --> 01:24:32,110 Seventh grade, I guess it was, I was in the choir, 899 01:24:32,154 --> 01:24:37,681 and the same choir teacher was also the orchestra teacher. 900 01:24:37,724 --> 01:24:41,728 She said to me, "I know somebody that's gonna play bass in the orchestra next year." 901 01:24:41,772 --> 01:24:45,210 And I... Boom, it's me she's looking at and pointing at. 902 01:24:45,254 --> 01:24:47,734 So I started playing upright bass. 903 01:24:47,778 --> 01:24:52,565 I'm supposed to be studying classical, which I am as long as my mother and dad are up. 904 01:24:52,609 --> 01:24:56,526 Soon as they go to bed, they had some stations on the radio in Pittsburgh... 905 01:24:56,569 --> 01:25:01,357 where they had what they call "race music," where you could hear the black music. 906 01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,838 And I'd take my bass and go into the kitchen, 907 01:25:04,882 --> 01:25:09,191 turn the radio on while everybody's sleeping, and I'd be playing with the radio. 908 01:25:09,234 --> 01:25:14,326 Around 1967, I had been working live with Stevie Wonder, and... 909 01:25:14,370 --> 01:25:19,331 Stevie brought me in to do my first session at Motown. 910 01:25:19,375 --> 01:25:22,291 You gotta remember, James... 911 01:25:22,334 --> 01:25:25,903 He set the bass style for the Motown sound. 912 01:25:29,559 --> 01:25:32,170 Man, nobody can play this. 913 01:25:32,214 --> 01:25:35,173 What? Nobody could play this laying on their back. 914 01:25:35,217 --> 01:25:37,349 You could if you were James Jamerson. 915 01:25:37,393 --> 01:25:40,874 This is the story. This is hard to believe, but it's true. 916 01:25:40,918 --> 01:25:43,312 You gotta tell me this one. 917 01:25:43,355 --> 01:25:47,707 Let me tell you. Marvin was puttin' this together with "What's Goin' On." 918 01:25:47,751 --> 01:25:51,363 And he was experimenting with a lot of things. 919 01:25:51,407 --> 01:25:56,194 But what happened... He decided he needed Jamerson. 920 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:05,769 So Jamerson was workin' a local club, and Marvin found out where he was workin'. 921 01:26:05,812 --> 01:26:08,554 He went over there to get him. Jamerson was blasted. 922 01:26:08,598 --> 01:26:11,620 So he said, "Well, I gotta get him back, because I got this. I gotta get it off." 923 01:26:11,644 --> 01:26:13,907 Brought him back over here to the studio. 924 01:26:13,951 --> 01:26:16,214 Jamerson really didn't want to do this, 925 01:26:16,258 --> 01:26:18,608 but because of Marvin, he said, "Okay, I'll try it." 926 01:26:18,651 --> 01:26:21,959 So Jamerson couldn't sit up on... You know, he had a high stool he used to sit on. 927 01:26:22,002 --> 01:26:24,831 He was afraid he was gonna fall. Like a string bass player. 928 01:26:24,875 --> 01:26:28,313 He laid right out where you were laying and started playing this. 929 01:26:28,357 --> 01:26:30,924 No one believed it. 930 01:26:30,968 --> 01:26:34,276 He did a job that no one could do standing up. 931 01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:38,671 He did it laying down. That was James Jamerson. Mm-hmm. Yeah, the master. 932 01:26:38,715 --> 01:26:42,458 Pressure meant nothing to you? 933 01:26:42,501 --> 01:26:47,376 You felt no pressure? It was like I'd go in, I'd-I'd have to go play... bang. 934 01:26:47,419 --> 01:26:52,294 Sure there was pressure. I mean, uh, you're sitting in Jamerson's seat. 935 01:26:52,337 --> 01:26:55,601 Right.And... you know what I'm sayin'? 936 01:26:55,645 --> 01:26:58,300 And-And as far as that... There was... 937 01:26:58,343 --> 01:27:03,261 To do what he did was... you know, you couldn't... It was almost impossible. 938 01:27:03,305 --> 01:27:07,309 I'm sure you just were yourself. I tried to do the best I could. 939 01:27:07,352 --> 01:27:09,876 Another strange question. 940 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:14,925 Watching a documentary that was talking about some of the Atlantic recordings... 941 01:27:14,968 --> 01:27:18,407 with Aretha Franklin... Early recordings. 942 01:27:18,450 --> 01:27:23,368 And she had, like, basically, a totally white band from Nashville. 943 01:27:23,412 --> 01:27:28,286 They were from Memphis and Muscle Shoals.Right. Okay. 944 01:27:28,330 --> 01:27:31,942 And then Martin Luther King was assassinated. 945 01:27:31,985 --> 01:27:36,468 Uh, James Brown started to change his vibe with "I'm Black and I'm Proud." 946 01:27:36,512 --> 01:27:38,992 The whole thing changed, and a lot of people felt, 947 01:27:39,036 --> 01:27:42,300 well, we didn't want to use the white musicians. 948 01:27:42,344 --> 01:27:44,694 Did you feel any sort of... 949 01:27:44,737 --> 01:27:49,438 Coming into this environment, did you feel any sort of racial difference? 950 01:27:49,481 --> 01:27:54,617 There was... There was such a... 951 01:27:54,660 --> 01:27:56,836 A closeness. 952 01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,882 I mean, I can't... 953 01:27:58,925 --> 01:28:02,320 And when Martin Luther King died... 954 01:28:02,364 --> 01:28:06,716 They never expressed to me... 955 01:28:06,759 --> 01:28:10,023 any kind of hostility or anything, 956 01:28:10,067 --> 01:28:13,679 and I was... I felt as sad as they did. 957 01:28:13,723 --> 01:28:17,640 And, uh, uh... 958 01:28:17,683 --> 01:28:22,035 But I never felt anything from any of those guys. 959 01:28:22,079 --> 01:28:27,040 I always felt like... I don't know, like... 960 01:28:27,084 --> 01:28:30,740 I was, like, one of them, you know? Yeah. 961 01:28:30,783 --> 01:28:34,483 And-And, uh... 962 01:28:34,526 --> 01:28:39,052 I'm sorry. No, that's okay. 963 01:28:39,096 --> 01:28:43,056 On the evening of July 23, 1967, 964 01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:47,060 the Detroit police busted up an after-hours blind pig speakeasy... 965 01:28:47,104 --> 01:28:50,934 at the corner of 12th and Claremount, and all hell broke loose. 966 01:28:50,977 --> 01:28:55,678 The Funk Brothers came out of a recording session to a city in flames. 967 01:28:55,721 --> 01:28:59,551 Yeah, the sky was red. Everything was burnin' down. 968 01:28:59,595 --> 01:29:02,728 You'd protect your family. That's just the way it was. 969 01:29:02,772 --> 01:29:07,994 And I would've gone down for them, even if it was at the hands of a black brother... 970 01:29:08,038 --> 01:29:10,780 'cause he's invading my territory. 971 01:29:10,823 --> 01:29:14,436 That's just the way I felt. I didn't think about color. These are my brothers here. 972 01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:19,528 So no one had to rally us. It was just, we have to get from here to the car, 973 01:29:19,571 --> 01:29:22,705 and that was the only thing we were interested about. 974 01:29:22,748 --> 01:29:25,664 It was our mission to get our people home safe. 975 01:29:25,708 --> 01:29:28,101 But I also feel at the same time... 976 01:29:28,145 --> 01:29:30,800 that had the role been reversed... 977 01:29:30,843 --> 01:29:35,500 and we had been in an area where it was more predominantly a white area, 978 01:29:35,544 --> 01:29:40,070 and something broke out that I would've took a bullet for Jack. 979 01:29:40,113 --> 01:29:42,942 I believe it. I believe it. I would've done the same. 980 01:29:42,986 --> 01:29:47,556 The end of the 1960s found America watching in horror... 981 01:29:47,599 --> 01:29:52,125 as a daily stream of televised death came back from the war in Vietnam. 982 01:29:52,169 --> 01:29:55,781 Back on the home front, the cultural and social revolution... 983 01:29:55,825 --> 01:29:59,698 being waged in the streets was further polarizing the masses. 984 01:29:59,742 --> 01:30:04,050 Motown played a preeminent role in the cultural sound track that framed all these events, 985 01:30:04,094 --> 01:30:06,749 and nowhere more so than in Vietnam... 986 01:30:06,792 --> 01:30:09,055 where terrified and disillusioned G.I.'s... 987 01:30:09,099 --> 01:30:12,624 found comfort in the grooves played by the Funk Brothers... 988 01:30:12,668 --> 01:30:16,149 and in the words and melodies sung by Motown's stars. 989 01:30:16,193 --> 01:30:19,675 But there was no comforting refrain down in the Snakepit. 990 01:30:19,718 --> 01:30:22,155 Still reeling from the death of Benny Benjamin... 991 01:30:22,199 --> 01:30:25,158 and concerned that James Jamerson's personal demons... 992 01:30:25,202 --> 01:30:27,552 were leading him down the same path, 993 01:30:27,596 --> 01:30:30,816 the Funk Brothers needed a rallying cry to pull themselves together. 994 01:30:30,860 --> 01:30:34,472 In 1970 they found it in "What's Going On," 995 01:30:34,516 --> 01:30:38,476 Marvin Gaye's anguished plea for sanity in a world gone mad. 996 01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,913 Helping Marvin realize his vision, 997 01:30:40,957 --> 01:30:43,786 the Funk Brothers elevated the level of their artistry... 998 01:30:43,829 --> 01:30:46,571 from the dance floor to the world stage. 999 01:34:29,185 --> 01:34:32,318 When Marvin Gaye first recorded "What's Going On," 1000 01:34:32,362 --> 01:34:35,713 to us, it was a very important record. 1001 01:34:35,757 --> 01:34:40,152 Musically, we felt that it was some of our best work. 1002 01:34:40,196 --> 01:34:45,723 It was the first record that Motown ever given the musicians some credit on an album. 1003 01:34:45,767 --> 01:34:48,726 And little did we know, you know, we were... 1004 01:34:48,770 --> 01:34:51,816 We were biding our own time. 1005 01:34:53,949 --> 01:34:58,170 But we kept recording for about another year... 1006 01:34:58,214 --> 01:35:01,347 and that... many more hits to come, you know. 1007 01:35:01,391 --> 01:35:04,786 So one day... 1008 01:35:04,829 --> 01:35:08,746 we went to the studio and we were supposed to record. 1009 01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:11,880 There was a big sign on the door saying, uh, 1010 01:35:11,923 --> 01:35:16,928 "There won't be any work here today. Motown are moving to Los Angeles." 1011 01:35:16,972 --> 01:35:19,757 Wow, what a break. 1012 01:35:19,801 --> 01:35:23,761 I suppose they were just looking for a new sound, 1013 01:35:23,805 --> 01:35:27,025 I suppose, you know? 1014 01:35:27,069 --> 01:35:30,376 So we just kept doing what we usually do... what we were doing before Motown... 1015 01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:33,292 And that was playing in the clubs around the city... 1016 01:35:33,336 --> 01:35:37,122 Playing our blues, playing our jazz. 1017 01:35:37,166 --> 01:35:39,342 That's just about the way it ended. 1018 01:35:39,385 --> 01:35:42,040 When Motown left Detroit, there was no warning, 1019 01:35:42,084 --> 01:35:45,130 no announcement and no way of preparing for it. 1020 01:35:45,174 --> 01:35:47,437 And that's the move they had to make. 1021 01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:51,049 A major company doesn't have to explain to every individual that they're moving. 1022 01:35:51,093 --> 01:35:53,965 But it kind of left all of us kind of like, "What are we gonna do?" 1023 01:35:54,009 --> 01:35:58,230 The funny thing was we always had that idea about how it would never end. 1024 01:35:58,274 --> 01:36:02,104 You know, we felt like it would go on and on and on, 1025 01:36:02,147 --> 01:36:04,889 but as you can see, it ended. 1026 01:36:04,933 --> 01:36:06,978 Hoping to hold on to their dreams, 1027 01:36:07,022 --> 01:36:10,852 some of the Funk Brothers followed Motown to Los Angeles. 1028 01:36:10,895 --> 01:36:14,029 But the west coast music scene was too foreign to them, 1029 01:36:14,072 --> 01:36:16,858 and without the emotional support the Funk Brothers' family... 1030 01:36:16,901 --> 01:36:20,513 had always provided for each other, they were lost. 1031 01:36:20,557 --> 01:36:25,388 He missed his friends, the Funk Brothers. 1032 01:36:25,431 --> 01:36:30,393 Just the atmosphere. It's totally different in California than Detroit. 1033 01:36:30,436 --> 01:36:34,919 He wasn't getting... receiving the phone calls like before, 1034 01:36:34,963 --> 01:36:37,835 working in a studio... Yeah, to work in a studio. 1035 01:36:37,879 --> 01:36:41,883 And... there was a battle there, you know, 1036 01:36:41,926 --> 01:36:46,539 of emotions and probably feeling less than a man... 1037 01:36:46,583 --> 01:36:49,238 or less than a dad to provide for us... 1038 01:36:49,281 --> 01:36:51,849 from what he used to do before. 1039 01:36:51,893 --> 01:36:54,547 I've seen a lot of hurt and pain and the illness... 1040 01:36:54,591 --> 01:36:57,028 and the struggles with the alcohol. 1041 01:36:57,072 --> 01:36:59,988 It wasn't going right for him. He wanted to do everything. 1042 01:37:00,031 --> 01:37:02,860 He's used to doing everything for everyone. 1043 01:37:02,904 --> 01:37:06,951 And then it was his time where heneeded help, 1044 01:37:06,995 --> 01:37:10,128 and a lot of times no one was there. 1045 01:37:10,172 --> 01:37:13,392 Or he didn't wanna listen, 'cause he could be hardheaded too, so... 1046 01:37:13,436 --> 01:37:17,962 In 1983, James Jamerson scalped a ticket... 1047 01:37:18,006 --> 01:37:21,400 for the nationally televised showMotown 25... 1048 01:37:21,444 --> 01:37:24,403 and slipped into a balcony seat. 1049 01:37:28,190 --> 01:37:32,281 Two months later, he slipped away... forever. 1050 01:37:49,124 --> 01:37:52,083 Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to give it up! 1051 01:37:52,127 --> 01:37:54,346 Give up the love... 1052 01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:58,437 for Detroit's unsung musical heroes! 1053 01:37:58,481 --> 01:38:01,266 The drum section... 1054 01:38:01,310 --> 01:38:04,617 Uriel Jones and Pistol Allen... 1055 01:38:04,661 --> 01:38:07,925 and the late Benny Benjamin. 1056 01:38:07,969 --> 01:38:11,059 On the vibes and percussion, 1057 01:38:11,102 --> 01:38:15,933 the fabulous tambourine man, Jack Ashford... 1058 01:38:15,977 --> 01:38:19,937 and the late Bongo Eddie! 1059 01:38:19,981 --> 01:38:23,114 Guitar section... 1060 01:38:23,158 --> 01:38:27,640 The one, none other, the brother, Eddie Willis, 1061 01:38:27,684 --> 01:38:31,035 Joe Messina... 1062 01:38:31,079 --> 01:38:34,386 and the late Robert White. 1063 01:38:34,430 --> 01:38:39,391 On the keyboards, Joe Hunter, Johnny Griffith... 1064 01:38:39,435 --> 01:38:43,526 and the late, great Earl Van Dyke. 1065 01:38:43,569 --> 01:38:47,704 And on bass, Bob Babbitt... 1066 01:38:47,747 --> 01:38:52,622 and the greatest bass player of all time, 1067 01:38:52,665 --> 01:38:55,668 James Jamerson! 1068 01:38:55,712 --> 01:38:59,150 Here they are. 1069 01:38:59,194 --> 01:39:04,503 Ladies and gentlemen, the greatest hit machine... 1070 01:39:04,547 --> 01:39:08,333 in music history... 1071 01:39:08,377 --> 01:39:12,990 the... Funk Brothers! 1072 01:40:54,831 --> 01:40:58,791 I think it's very important for people of my generation... 1073 01:40:58,835 --> 01:41:03,361 to not only know history but to also experience it and allow it to change them. 1074 01:41:03,405 --> 01:41:07,452 I have so much respect and so much to learn from these people that came before me. 1075 01:41:07,496 --> 01:41:11,108 The people are great people, not just great musicians. 1076 01:41:11,152 --> 01:41:13,241 I think that's what I'll carry with me... 1077 01:41:13,284 --> 01:41:16,157 Just being able to converse and talk to people... 1078 01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:21,118 who have done so much to influence... 1079 01:41:21,162 --> 01:41:24,382 what I do and what I want to be. 1080 01:41:24,426 --> 01:41:27,777 The people bring the place alive, and I think that's very important. 1081 01:41:27,820 --> 01:41:31,650 Hitsville wasn't this building. It was the people that were in the building. 1082 01:41:31,694 --> 01:41:35,176 And I think that's been made very clear. 1083 01:45:28,104 --> 01:45:31,977 We're at the Chit Chat Lounge, and what a crowd we have here. 1084 01:45:32,021 --> 01:45:35,720 We took our microphones out to the new Chit Chat Lounge... 1085 01:45:35,764 --> 01:45:39,724 located at 823512th Street at Virginia Park... 1086 01:45:39,768 --> 01:45:43,641 where we present again Operation Jazz. 1087 01:45:58,787 --> 01:46:02,399 This is Jack Sherell at the Chit Chat Lounge now, 1088 01:46:02,443 --> 01:46:04,619 and what a crowd we have here. 1089 01:46:04,662 --> 01:46:06,925 We'll be presenting the James Jamerson Quartet, 1090 01:46:06,969 --> 01:46:09,928 plus our little jam session and guest stars... 1091 01:46:09,972 --> 01:46:12,453 Guest artists who will be popping in. 1092 01:46:12,496 --> 01:46:14,890 So come on by. We still have a few more chairs... 1093 01:46:14,933 --> 01:46:17,109 A few more seats, I should say. 1094 01:46:17,153 --> 01:46:19,503 And join in on the fun. 1095 01:46:19,547 --> 01:46:22,985 Now the James Jamerson Quartet gets things under way nicely. 99739

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