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It was bigger than we
thought it was gonna be.
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We didn't know it was gonna be that big.
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To be or not to be... It was bein'.
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First we didn't notice what was goin' on.
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We were too busy creating
the music and the magic.
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Finally you know
that, uh,
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you have, uh, played on
hit records.
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And the jukeboxes and the radio is playing,
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and somebody said,
"Oh, boy, that's Motown."
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But they never know us. Nobody
never mentioned too much about us.
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Really a long time it goes,
and finally it gets to you.
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Finally, when the dust cleared,
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it was all over,
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and we realized we were
being left out of the dream.
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It's the end.
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And, as the years go by,
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we wonder,
will anyone ever know...
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who we are or what we did.
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Yeah. What you gonna do?
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They were the days of American innocence...
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OfFather Knows Best.
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Lady Day passed on,
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and Fats Domino enticed the
nation to visit "Blueberry Hill."
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Elvis Presley burst out of
Mississippi like a tornado,
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gathering followers from
every sphere of American life.
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There was a cultural tidal
wave in his hips and music.
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Radio stations flooded the country
with this new sound from the South.
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But the roots of that music... the
originators... remained unknown.
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These pioneers of rhythm
and blues could be found...
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at the far reaches of the radio dial,
playing soulfully for their loyal fans.
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But they were confined to frustration...
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as they watched their white counterparts
triumph with the style they'd created.
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Struggling to find the key to
mainstream America's heartbeat,
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scores of black artists
and record companies...
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searched for a new sound that would
free them from the race music label.
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In Detroit, that sound arrived.
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Yeah, we're, uh, doing a
documentary about some music.
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You know a lot about music? You
gotta know something about music.
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I know something about music.
You know anything about Motown?
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- I like to listen to Motown.
- Yeah. I was brought up on that stuff.
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Do you know about Motown? Oh, yes.
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Do you know a lot about music?
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- I like to think so.
- Yes. I'm from Detroit.
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- Yeah.
- Motown? Yeah, sure. The sound of Detroit.
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I know a little too much
about music.
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What's your favorite
Motown group?
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I wouldn't say group.
I would go with Marvin Gaye.
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- I'd have to say Smokey Robinson probably.
- Of course, Stevie Wonder.
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- I love the Supremes.
- Four Tops.
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Would you happen to know who played
the music on the Supremes albums?
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You know,
the instruments and stuff. I have no idea.
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Did you ever think about that? Mmm, I think
about it with... No, I haven't, actually.
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Do you know who played the music
for Smokey? Mmm, not right offhand.
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- It's the Miracles.
- Um...
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It was Gladys Knight & the Pips,
wasn't it?
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But did they play the music?
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- The Pips.
- I don't think I know any of the musicians.
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Yeah.
I'm familiar with Marvin Gaye.
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His band? No.
Unfortunately, I can't say.
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What if I told you it was a group called the
Funk Brothers who played on all that stuff?
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Wow. I had no idea.
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Who are the Funk Brothers?
Who are they?
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- Really?
- If it's true, I would believe it.
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They still around?
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People will ask,
"What is the Motown sound?"
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They've asked producers. They've
asked, uh, executives from Motown.
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"What was the Motown sound?"
It was the musicians. Okay?
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When these cats cut tracks,
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no offense to any of the great artists that sang
on them, but anybody could have sang on them.
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You could've had Deputy Dawg singing on some
of this stuff. It would have been a hit...
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because the tracks
were just so incredible.
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They were musical entities
unto themselves.
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They had a natural feel
for music.
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They were just
that exceptional.
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Being really good jazz musicians,
they could swing like crazy.
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That's something that's
not always present in pop music.
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- The bass drum had a note.
- It wasn't a dead...
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- It was a boom.
- So you had...
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When there's a groove like that,
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the subliminal effect
is everybody feels good.
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They were the groundwork. They were the
things that everything else was built on.
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It was like a river
constantly flowing.
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Talent, creations, you know.
People come in.
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"Who's available? Who's
on the list? Well, call them in.
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Where are they? This one's
out of town? Call the other one."
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But it was always
the Funk Brothers.
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Always the Funk Brothers.
First.
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Without them, there really
wouldn't be a Motown.
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That was the sound.
That was the foundation.
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That was it.
That was the essence of Motown.
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That essence was an overpowering
lineup of veteran groove masters...
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and trailblazing virtuosos.
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Guitarists Eddie Willis, Joe
Messina and Robert White...
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and keyboardists Johnny Griffith,
Joe Hunter and Earl Van Dyke...
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wove an irresistible tapestry of
instrumental hooks and counter-rhythms...
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over the electrifying core
of the Motown groove...
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A core comprised of James Jamerson,
the tormented genius of the Motown bass...
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and late-era bassist Bob Babbitt,
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percussionists Jack Ashford
and Eddie "Bongo" Brown,
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drummers Uriel Jones, "Pistol" Allen...
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and the explosive Benny
"Papa Zita" Benjamin,
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the creator of the Motown drumbeat.
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The dance floors of the
world didn't stand a chance.
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After World War II, the
auto industry boom...
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turned Detroit into an economic magnet
for people in search of steady work.
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Tens of thousands migrated to the city.
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Among them, several future Funk Brothers.
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Actually, Jamerson
came from South Carolina.
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Uh, Eddie Willis
came from Mississippi.
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Pistol came from Memphis, Tennessee,
and I'm from Jackson, Tennessee.
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We came north...
Mostly our people came north...
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to get jobs in the car factories
here in Detroit, Michigan.
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And, uh,
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I worked at Chevrolet myself.
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I worked at Chevrolet
for about a year and a half.
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The last thing we wanted to do
was work in the factories.
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We really wanted to play music,
and that's what we ended up doing.
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The Funk Brothers ended up
playing music.
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Berry showed up down at
Little Sam's one time.
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He walked over by the bandstand
while we were playing and, uh, said...
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He said to me, "Would
you have time to talk to me?"
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I says, "I got more
time than money."
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And he explained to me what he was about.
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He wanted to set up a record company...
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and he needed good musicians.
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I thought it was a wonderful idea.
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And wanted to know, did I know
anybody that could feel the thing.
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He already knew Mr. Benjamin...
Benny Benjamin, "Papa Zita."
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So he called the first rehearsal
over at Claudette's house...
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Smokey Robinson's wife
at that time.
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That was late '58.
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And then Papa Zita was
already there, and I was there.
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We eventually found the
great James Jamerson on bass.
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I remember my dad saying
as a child growing up...
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that he would take a stick
and take a rubber band...
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and put one part at one end
and the other part at the other...
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and stick it in an ant hole...
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and make the ants dance.
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When he was a kid on Edisto Island,
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James and his friends would slip through a
window into their little two-room schoolhouse.
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They'd light a fire and play
the piano until class started.
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After school, they'd continue making
music in a neighbor's vacant summer home,
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where there just happened to be
an old piano and an upright bass.
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The most important pointer
that my father taught me...
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When I'm playing, if I
don't feel it, don't play it.
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You know, a lot of guys
would just play straight...
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With no feeling.
But he would play it like...
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You know, put something in
it. He just felt life was music.
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He used to tell this story...
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This one song he did...
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He saw a fat woman
walking down the street...
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and just her butt going from boom
to boom to boom, badoom, badoom...
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That was
his interpretation of music.
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He put music to just about
anything that had life to it.
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There's an indentment
right here in the bass...
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where he kept his thumb
right here as a rest.
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That's how old this bass is.
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You can see
all the dirt on here.
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Uh, as he says,
"The dirt keeps the funk."
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This has been the original bass
ever since he started playing,
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before he switched over to Precision.
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He used this on "Heat Wave,"
"My Guy," "Shop Around"...
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Most of the Mary Wells stuff...
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"You Beat Me To The Punch,"
some other earlier stuff with Stevie.
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He played with one finger
on all those hits just like this.
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The finger was called
the hook.
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It would hook like this. On
all them songs that you heard,
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basically it was done with one finger.
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I have trouble playing with two
fingers the line that he played.
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You couldn't even touch
his timing,
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because he could hear
another time in his head...
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and be playing cut time against
what you're playing and it would fit.
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There was never a bass player
on no coast then...
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If there was a West Coast, East Coast...
whatever coast you wanna call it...
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That was comparable
to a James Jamerson.
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It's the height of creativity,
you know, and freedom...
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and experimentation
and fearlessness.
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You have to be absolutely fearless
to play those notes in that place...
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and yet be responsible
for your...
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For the bottom
of the groove like that.
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I thought bass playing was
played like that all the time.
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Little did I know that it was my
father changing the course of bass.
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["]
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Soon about 19 and 60, Berry bought
a house on West Grand Boulevard.
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This house had a garage...
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with a dirt floor.
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Walk down the four timeworn wooden steps...
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into the basement of 2648
West Grand Boulevard,
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and you enter a fantasyland...
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A tiny, dimly lit room
with smoke-stained walls,
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where dreams came true
for Motown's young stars...
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A place where timeless classics like
"I Can't Help Myself," "Shop Around"...
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and "Where Did Our Love Go" were born.
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This is Hitsville, U.S.A.,
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the home of the Motown sound.
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But to the musicians who
worked there, it was just Studio "A,"
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affectionately referred to as the Snakepit.
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It was the site of countless
steamy 4:00 a.m. sessions...
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where monster hits were
cranked out in an hour or less...
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A place where deadly grooves
threatened to set the walls on fire.
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This was the home of Motown's
studio band, the Funk Brothers.
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Smokey was the main one that
pulled this off. He'd dream of a song.
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He'd come in with something
written down... two bars...
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Or two verses of it
on some paper...
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It's basically, "Hey, I got a
tune. What do you think of this?"
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Joe would say, "This is
what you're trying to play."
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He'd give him the chord and
full structure. Next thing you know,
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"Hey, hey. Come here, James." He'd make James
play this line. In a minute you'd have a song.
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That's how the studio was every day.
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And they'd fight to get to Studio "A."
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This is the first time we've been
in here to play since the '70s.
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A lot of these people come here for the first
time... they have no idea what's in here.
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Because,
along with our creativity,
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was Berry's prayers in here...
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that we would be successful in what
we were doing to make those hits.
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We used to hear it in his voice,
the way he used to talk to us.
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We used to hear the artists...
How they would talk to us.
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A lot of prayers were in this
building, wasn't there, Joe? Yeah.
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True. You have no idea the gravity...
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of what went on emotionally.
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I swear to God, when
I went in there tonight,
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I could just feel it.
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I could almost touch it.
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It never left that room. Yeah.
It's a strange feeling.
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It never left that room.
It's in there.
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I was playing up in
Boston, Massachusetts...
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when I ran into Marvin Gaye.
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I didn't know who he was.
Someone from his entourage said,
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"I want you to meet
a famous singer."
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I said, "Okay." He said,
"His name is Marvin Gaye."
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I didn't realize Marvin was standing
with the guy. I didn't know who he was.
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"You ever heard of Marvin Gaye?"
I said, "Nah. Never heard of him.
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If he don't play jazz,
I don't know him."
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I was kind of cocky because
all jazz musicians were cocky.
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Everybody wanted to be
like Miles Davis,
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no matter what instrument
you played.
237
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So I talked with Marvin, and he was
telling about... He was starting a band...
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and would I like to come to Detroit?
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No musician turns down a
good gig, so I said I'd come.
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Was this, like, a garage area? Garage.
241
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It was a dirt floor
from the beginning.
242
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They had a piece of plywood in this
area with a piano sitting right there.
243
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Mm-hmm. Okay.
244
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And the walls had carpeting.
245
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Cinder block.Yeah.
246
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And the entrance
was right about there.
247
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Not being a bass player, not being
a guitar player, not being a drummer,
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arrangers would come in and
just have a general idea of...
249
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Or a concept... and we'd
leave it up to the masters.
250
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You were allowed four songs
in a three-hour session.
251
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Right. And we would
get no less than two.
252
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But that's because the same guys
played together all the time. All the time.
253
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So the only thing that changed
was the changes. It was like a home.
254
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- We spent so much time there.
- It was always usually Jamerson kicking something off...
255
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and, uh, everybody falling in.
256
00:25:21,128 --> 00:25:23,826
Or either Benny. If Benny
kicked something off,
257
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Jamerson had something to
throw in that fit it.
258
00:25:26,786 --> 00:25:29,310
And, uh, then everybody
could come in.
259
00:25:29,353 --> 00:25:34,184
Back then, you guys would
have to do the tune all in one take.
260
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes. From beginning to end.
261
00:25:37,623 --> 00:25:40,669
In the earlier days, they only
had three tracks to work with.
262
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That was a great school for mixing
because we only had one shot at it.
263
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You only had one shot. You had to
get it right the first time. That's right.
264
00:25:49,852 --> 00:25:54,074
We felt as though it was our job to lay
the groundwork for these kids to have...
265
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as a place to really develop their careers
in singing because we had the experience.
266
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They had the talent. We had the
experience. They were all really young?
267
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Very young. Most of the producers
were young. All the producers were young.
268
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There was a bunch of fellas
standing around, drinking a little wine,
269
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called the Contours.
270
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We was up there doing a funny band
track... something I'd never heard before.
271
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They had the charts out...
272
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We start playing, you know... start playing
the chart when the director came up there.
273
00:26:28,848 --> 00:26:32,808
And, uh, after we finished,
274
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I said,
"That will never be a hit."
275
00:26:35,681 --> 00:26:40,163
And the Contours walked up
to each one of us like...
276
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a little kid eating ice cream, "Oh, thank you.
Thank you. That's a beautiful band track."
277
00:26:44,864 --> 00:26:48,650
I said, "They're crazy."
You know what I mean?
278
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In the early days of Motown...
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the Funk Brothers played on some
big hits, like the Miracles' "Shop Around,"
280
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the Marvelettes' "Please, Mr. Postman"...
281
00:29:00,477 --> 00:29:03,785
and Mary Wells' "You Beat Me To The Punch."
282
00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:08,050
But still there was not enough recording
work down in the Snakepit to make a living.
283
00:29:08,094 --> 00:29:13,142
So, in 1961, James Jamerson, Joe Hunter
and a few of the other band members...
284
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left to go on the road with Jackie Wilson.
285
00:29:16,015 --> 00:29:18,147
But Wilson was recovering
from a gunshot wound...
286
00:29:18,191 --> 00:29:21,498
and didn't have the strength to
perform more than once or twice a week.
287
00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:26,112
Realizing their new situation was
worse, they returned home to Motown,
288
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where Berry Gordy welcomed
them back with open arms.
289
00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:32,205
But their touring days were not yet over.
290
00:29:32,248 --> 00:29:35,904
Like, in the early '60s, you
went out with the Marvelettes.
291
00:29:35,948 --> 00:29:39,212
- I went out with Marvin and Stevie Wonder.
- Yeah.
292
00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:43,564
Then we did gigs maybe 200
miles outside Detroit occasionally.
293
00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:45,914
- That weren't nothing.
- Yeah, Joe.
294
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The first really big tour
was the 1962 Motor Town Revue,
295
00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:53,530
Right. Where we had 30 one-nighters...
296
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in New England and in the South...
297
00:29:56,533 --> 00:30:00,015
and then ten days at the
Apollo. Oh, man. That's a long trip.
298
00:30:00,059 --> 00:30:02,539
That was a thriller.
All that was a thriller.
299
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,464
We were on the road, coming
back from up north on that gig,
300
00:30:14,508 --> 00:30:18,947
Yep. And everyone was
packed in the car half sleeping.
301
00:30:18,991 --> 00:30:21,210
Mm-hmm. As I think back on that,
302
00:30:21,254 --> 00:30:24,866
Marvin Gaye was the drummer
on that gig, wasn't he? Yep.
303
00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:27,608
That was religious. I think
he was a better singer though.
304
00:30:27,651 --> 00:30:31,046
You know that's right. And they
had us in this big old station wagon.
305
00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:33,570
Right, right. It was about 2:00
in the morning.
306
00:30:33,614 --> 00:30:35,572
Right. And it was freezing.
307
00:30:35,616 --> 00:30:38,358
And Jamerson
in the car with you. Ain't that somethin'.
308
00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:41,187
Damn.
I know that was rough. Yeah.
309
00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:43,406
It was about ten degrees outside.
310
00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:45,408
We were coming down the mountainside.
311
00:30:45,452 --> 00:30:48,411
We were all dozing off. We told
all the jokes we could think of.
312
00:30:50,587 --> 00:30:53,895
And Jamerson says,
"Can you pull the car over?
313
00:30:53,939 --> 00:30:55,505
Robert, can you pull the car over?"
314
00:30:58,378 --> 00:31:01,424
Damn. What you doin', man?
315
00:31:01,468 --> 00:31:03,426
Hurry up, man.
It's cold outside.
316
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:06,342
So, he pulls over to the side of the road,
317
00:31:06,386 --> 00:31:10,912
goes back there to get to the
trunk, pulls this brown paper bag out,
318
00:31:10,956 --> 00:31:13,262
jumps back in the car.
Man, it's cold outside.
319
00:31:13,306 --> 00:31:16,918
He decides to put his pajamas
on in the back of the car.
320
00:31:16,962 --> 00:31:21,314
In order for me to go to sleep, I got to
put my p.j.'s on. He's bumping people...
321
00:31:21,357 --> 00:31:23,359
and slamming people's heads and everything.
322
00:31:23,403 --> 00:31:26,493
Everybody's complaining now.
323
00:31:26,536 --> 00:31:30,410
Everybody settles back down again,
'cause we knew about being around Jamerson.
324
00:31:30,453 --> 00:31:35,154
Just try to keep him as tranquil as possible,
because he can really get out there.
325
00:31:35,197 --> 00:31:39,114
And all of a sudden that bag rustles again.
326
00:31:48,602 --> 00:31:52,475
Oh, my God. He got pig's feet, man.
327
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,957
Smelled like somebody kicked
a doggone skunk in the behind.
328
00:31:56,001 --> 00:31:59,004
Everybody really got ticked
about that 'cause it was rancid.
329
00:31:59,047 --> 00:32:02,355
Man, we raised so much Cain in
there, he just said, "Okay, okay... ".
330
00:32:02,398 --> 00:32:04,966
All right. I might
put the top back on.Aw.
331
00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:06,968
I might. You better put the top back on.
332
00:32:07,012 --> 00:32:09,492
That stuff
stinks, man. Just to keep the peace.
333
00:32:09,536 --> 00:32:12,539
So he put the lid back
on it. So he's sitting back...
334
00:32:12,582 --> 00:32:15,629
Everybody's kind of dozing again.
335
00:32:15,672 --> 00:32:18,980
We see a light light in the back.
Somebody lit a match. It's Jamerson.
336
00:32:19,024 --> 00:32:21,374
He lights his funky, stogie cigar.
337
00:32:21,417 --> 00:32:23,071
That's it! Hey, Rob.
338
00:32:23,115 --> 00:32:25,160
Rob,
pull the car over, man!
339
00:32:25,204 --> 00:32:27,989
He said, "Pull the car
over. We're putting him out."
340
00:32:28,033 --> 00:32:30,992
Somebody need to
regulate you, James.
341
00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:34,691
So, sure enough, Robert pulls
over to the side. Out goes James...
342
00:32:34,735 --> 00:32:39,131
with his funky pig's feet,
his pajamas and his cigar.
343
00:32:47,139 --> 00:32:51,012
- Well - That's right.
- That was Jamerson for you.
344
00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:53,188
We thought about it and went back.
345
00:32:53,232 --> 00:32:55,712
Yeah, to run over his butt.
346
00:33:06,071 --> 00:33:10,031
Benny played with Dizzy, Charlie Parker,
347
00:33:10,075 --> 00:33:14,427
Ray Charles, Lowell Fulson, Muddy Waters,
348
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:18,039
Jimmy Reed, Chuck Berry.
349
00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:21,042
Benny played with
the best was out there.
350
00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:23,392
He was the main
standard drummer,
351
00:33:23,436 --> 00:33:26,178
and I was the pianist
at that time.
352
00:33:26,221 --> 00:33:28,745
Right. Before Earl got there.
353
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:34,360
Anyway, uh, we liked to frequent the corn
liquor places. He had a taste for corn liquor.
354
00:33:34,403 --> 00:33:38,538
So, this day we went, and
we hadn't had too much sleep.
355
00:33:38,581 --> 00:33:43,499
Benny was up there. He was doing a
tune called "Hitchhike" by Marvin Gaye.
356
00:33:43,543 --> 00:33:48,243
They kicked off the tune, and Benny
was noddin' and dropped his sticks.
357
00:33:48,287 --> 00:33:52,247
So the A&R man went up there
and smelled his breath.
358
00:33:52,291 --> 00:33:56,164
He said, "Benny! I see
you been drinkin'. Benny!"
359
00:33:56,208 --> 00:33:59,820
He picked up his sticks real quick,
and he said, "Papa Zita. Papa Zita."
360
00:33:59,863 --> 00:34:03,432
After that, everybody in the
studio started calling him Papa Zita.
361
00:34:03,476 --> 00:34:07,219
He come in the studio one
time late, and he told Berry...
362
00:34:07,262 --> 00:34:12,093
He said, "Man, I was on
the freeway on my way here."
363
00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:14,269
Said the traffic got tied up...
364
00:34:14,313 --> 00:34:17,098
'cause the circus
had just come into town,
365
00:34:17,142 --> 00:34:20,797
and the truck had an accident, and the
elephants got out of the truck and got loose...
366
00:34:20,841 --> 00:34:23,496
and was holding up the
traffic. Oh, man. Come on.
367
00:34:23,539 --> 00:34:27,804
And everybody knew... They knew
he was lying, 'cause, guess what.
368
00:34:27,848 --> 00:34:31,373
Benny didn't even drive.
369
00:34:31,417 --> 00:34:35,638
First of all, Benny was a
master at lockin' a tempo.
370
00:34:35,682 --> 00:34:38,293
He was like a...
He's like a metronome.
371
00:34:38,337 --> 00:34:41,253
He would lock it, see.
And, uh,
372
00:34:41,296 --> 00:34:46,258
then he had certain kinds of pickups,
which, uh, were only unique to him.
373
00:34:46,301 --> 00:34:49,478
For instance, a Benny Benjamin
pickup would go like this...
374
00:34:50,697 --> 00:34:52,612
Like that. You know.
375
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,537
That's different. Okay, Uriel
Jones would play, you know...
376
00:35:12,371 --> 00:35:16,114
Then, if I was playing four bars
or something like that, I'd play...
377
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:24,861
All three of those pickups
came from Papa Zita...
378
00:35:24,905 --> 00:35:28,213
Benny Benjamin... you
know, he originated them.
379
00:35:28,256 --> 00:35:32,391
I'm really curious as to how you
all got the name the Funk Brothers.
380
00:35:32,434 --> 00:35:35,307
Look here, one day, when
Benny got ready to leave,
381
00:35:35,350 --> 00:35:38,832
he walked up them steps, and Benny said,
382
00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:41,878
"You all are the Funk Brothers."
383
00:35:41,922 --> 00:35:44,446
And I'll remember that
all of my days.
384
00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:46,840
All of my days. And we
are the Funk Brothers.
385
00:36:59,304 --> 00:37:00,870
Blow that horn! Come on.
386
00:38:58,423 --> 00:39:00,860
I was raised in Detroit.
387
00:39:00,903 --> 00:39:03,689
I studied classics for about 10, 12 years.
388
00:39:03,732 --> 00:39:06,387
Then I found out I couldn't
make any money doing that.
389
00:39:06,431 --> 00:39:09,564
So I went on a rampage of singers.
390
00:39:09,608 --> 00:39:12,567
I worked for so many.
I was an accompanist.
391
00:39:12,611 --> 00:39:14,917
So I did some work with Sarah Vaughan.
392
00:39:14,961 --> 00:39:18,486
I did some work with Lou
Rawls and Dinah Washington.
393
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:21,533
She was the queen of the blues,
394
00:39:21,576 --> 00:39:24,840
supposedly, at that time,
you know... until Aretha.
395
00:39:24,884 --> 00:39:27,539
They crowned Aretha
the new queen of the blues.
396
00:39:27,582 --> 00:39:30,890
I was working with her at that
time. I worked with both the queens.
397
00:39:30,933 --> 00:39:35,851
I was working in the club, and
first Mickey Stevenson came by.
398
00:39:35,895 --> 00:39:38,898
He told me, how would I
like to be a studio musician?
399
00:39:38,941 --> 00:39:41,117
I said, "Well, what is that?"
400
00:39:41,161 --> 00:39:44,904
He said, "Well, come by the studio
and listen to what Joe is doing...
401
00:39:44,947 --> 00:39:46,906
and work from that point."
402
00:39:46,949 --> 00:39:49,474
I said, "Okay, fine."
403
00:39:49,517 --> 00:39:51,650
So, I went by there...
404
00:39:51,693 --> 00:39:54,435
and Joe was doing this record.
405
00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:56,916
It was "Pride and Joy"
or something like that.
406
00:39:56,959 --> 00:39:59,745
I sit and listen. I said,
"What the hell are you doing?"
407
00:39:59,788 --> 00:40:03,488
'Cause we never played
to nobody singing.
408
00:40:03,531 --> 00:40:06,447
The tracks... You just cut
the tracks and you just played.
409
00:40:06,491 --> 00:40:09,711
I said, "How do you know what to
play?" 'Cause I was used to accompanying.
410
00:40:09,755 --> 00:40:11,800
He said, "Just play
what you want to play.
411
00:40:11,844 --> 00:40:14,063
"They don't know what
they're listening to anyway.
412
00:40:14,107 --> 00:40:16,085
Just play. If it's too
much, they'll let you know."
413
00:40:16,109 --> 00:40:19,982
He was my, uh,
414
00:40:20,026 --> 00:40:24,509
introduction to the...
To the R&B record scene.
415
00:40:28,643 --> 00:40:31,167
Joe was the man around
town as far as recording.
416
00:40:31,211 --> 00:40:33,735
He'd been recording for everybody.
417
00:40:39,698 --> 00:40:43,484
Actually, my mother... she could teach
up to around the third grade of music.
418
00:40:43,528 --> 00:40:46,661
So she had a lot of
little students in the area.
419
00:40:46,705 --> 00:40:49,664
I was out trying to shoot marbles
and play football with the rest.
420
00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:52,188
They didn't figure
I had any talent.
421
00:40:52,232 --> 00:40:56,845
But I'd be listening to everything that she
was teaching when I was in the living room.
422
00:40:56,889 --> 00:41:00,893
Actually, I thought it was a spiritual
thing really, the way that it came about.
423
00:41:00,936 --> 00:41:03,199
I was trying to play "Stormy Weather."
424
00:41:03,243 --> 00:41:06,681
It looked like the keys was
just going by themselves.
425
00:41:06,725 --> 00:41:11,207
I was trying to stick my hands into
those holes and catch up with the keys.
426
00:41:11,251 --> 00:41:13,732
When my grandmother came in,
she said, "Donna"...
427
00:41:13,775 --> 00:41:17,823
That's what she called my mother... "This
boy is in here playing 'Stormy Weather.'"
428
00:41:17,866 --> 00:41:23,655
My favorite classical
pianist was Rachmaninov.
429
00:41:23,698 --> 00:41:26,832
I heard him. He had
such a terrific left hand.
430
00:41:26,875 --> 00:41:29,791
I said, I wish my left
hand could be like that.
431
00:41:29,835 --> 00:41:32,968
I'd put my right hand in my
pocket and just play with my left,
432
00:41:33,012 --> 00:41:38,583
trying to get as fast as Art
Tatum and Rachmaninov.
433
00:41:38,626 --> 00:41:42,064
In the 1960s, jazz clubs were
springing up all over Detroit...
434
00:41:42,108 --> 00:41:47,243
with names like the Flame Show
Bar, Phelps Lounge, the Apex,
435
00:41:47,287 --> 00:41:50,072
the 20 Grand and the Chit Chat.
436
00:41:50,116 --> 00:41:52,988
These venues were oases where
the Funk Brothers could escape...
437
00:41:53,032 --> 00:41:55,687
the pressure cooker
atmosphere of the studio...
438
00:41:55,730 --> 00:42:00,213
by returning to their roots and playing
cool jazz into the wee hours of the morning.
439
00:42:00,256 --> 00:42:03,303
New ideas that hatched in
these spirited jam sessions...
440
00:42:03,346 --> 00:42:05,871
often shimmied their way into the Snakepit,
441
00:42:05,914 --> 00:42:09,614
adding new textures and
rhythms to the Motown sound.
442
00:42:09,657 --> 00:42:14,009
My stage name was Lottie the
Body, and I had a beautiful body.
443
00:42:14,053 --> 00:42:18,318
I was an exotic dancer... one of the
greatest exotic dancers in the world.
444
00:42:18,361 --> 00:42:21,277
As a matter of fact, I
considered being the greatest.
445
00:42:21,321 --> 00:42:24,803
I worked with small
bands, big, big orchestras.
446
00:42:24,846 --> 00:42:28,676
Teddy Harris' big orchestra.
I worked with Count Basie.
447
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,897
You had to know how...
If she moved one cheek,
448
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:34,856
there was a certain drum
she wanted you to hit.
449
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:39,252
If she moved the left leg, there was a
certain drum. You had to catch all this stuff,
450
00:42:39,295 --> 00:42:41,602
plus keep in rhythm
with the band.
451
00:42:41,646 --> 00:42:45,606
But after you worked with her a while, you
feel her out, and it was a little easier.
452
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:48,304
But the first time
I worked with her,
453
00:42:48,348 --> 00:42:51,133
I swore I wasn't
gonna do it again.
454
00:42:51,177 --> 00:42:55,094
I'm sorry, darling. Oh, it was a pleasure.
455
00:42:55,137 --> 00:42:57,270
You feel like it? Yeah. Let's do it, baby.
456
00:42:57,313 --> 00:42:59,751
Don't kill me, baby. I ain't gonna
kill you.
457
00:42:59,794 --> 00:43:01,883
Just kind of
make me feel good.
458
00:43:05,017 --> 00:43:07,976
A lot of the rhythms that
we did do in the studio...
459
00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:10,979
is rhythms that came
from working with Lottie.
460
00:43:11,023 --> 00:43:15,636
Because we wasn't doing too much
what you call Afro-Cuban, you know.
461
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,294
So, just like both "Grapevines."
Marvin Gaye's, like...
462
00:43:21,337 --> 00:43:23,992
And Gladys...
463
00:43:24,036 --> 00:43:27,300
All that's Latin stuff. We
did all that stuff with Lottie.
464
00:43:27,343 --> 00:43:31,652
This is the spot where
a whole lot of stuff happened.
465
00:43:31,696 --> 00:43:33,654
The third...
One, two, three...
466
00:43:33,698 --> 00:43:37,658
The third door over there.
That's where the Chit Chat was.
467
00:43:37,702 --> 00:43:41,662
When I was coming here today
earlier, and when I passed by here,
468
00:43:41,706 --> 00:43:43,969
I looked over, and I
said, "There they are."
469
00:43:44,012 --> 00:43:45,971
It couldn't be no clearer.
470
00:43:46,014 --> 00:43:48,930
The Chit Chat was a place...
Though it was small,
471
00:43:48,974 --> 00:43:51,846
everybody in Detroit
knew about the Chit Chat...
472
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:54,153
and knew what was happening
at the Chit Chat.
473
00:43:54,196 --> 00:43:57,939
With Motown being not that far
down the street here, you had...
474
00:43:57,983 --> 00:44:01,203
Any Motown act would show up
at the Chit Chat,
475
00:44:01,247 --> 00:44:04,119
from Marvin...
476
00:44:04,163 --> 00:44:06,295
to the Four Tops,
477
00:44:06,339 --> 00:44:08,689
Contours, the Originals,
478
00:44:08,733 --> 00:44:10,735
the Temps.
479
00:44:10,778 --> 00:44:14,390
We was still really enjoying
our jazz thing then, you know.
480
00:44:14,434 --> 00:44:18,133
But we did things here that we
would do in the session the next day.
481
00:44:18,177 --> 00:44:22,050
Right. That was the uniqueness
of the Funk Brothers,
482
00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:26,794
because, if we were doing a tune
and a change was similar to something...
483
00:44:26,838 --> 00:44:29,144
in one of the jazz tunes
that we played,
484
00:44:29,188 --> 00:44:32,713
Earl would say, "Well, do so-and-so,
so-and-so like we did last night."
485
00:44:32,757 --> 00:44:36,717
And we would interject that
into the change of the song. That's right.
486
00:44:36,761 --> 00:44:40,808
And the song would take on a different
color... something they hadn't planned on.
487
00:44:40,852 --> 00:44:44,072
Of course, the producers... "Oh,
man, That's hip." And they had a hit.
488
00:44:44,116 --> 00:44:48,076
The Funk Brothers ruled the nightlife...
489
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,862
of Detroit's club scene in the '60s,
490
00:44:50,905 --> 00:44:53,429
but their realm was a
rough-and-tumble world,
491
00:44:53,473 --> 00:44:55,780
where getting paid at
the end of the evening...
492
00:44:55,823 --> 00:44:58,913
often proved as challenging
as the music they were playing.
493
00:44:58,957 --> 00:45:01,133
Benny was working with us.
494
00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:05,441
And Benny used to go in there in the
daytime when we wasn't working and drink.
495
00:45:05,485 --> 00:45:10,011
And sometimes I think the waitresses would
put a higher tab on him than anything else.
496
00:45:10,055 --> 00:45:13,406
But when the owner
got ready to pay us off,
497
00:45:13,449 --> 00:45:17,758
he'd reach up in his thing and
pull out a great big, old fat gun...
498
00:45:17,802 --> 00:45:20,456
Looked like
a German "Lukas" .45... Mm-hmm.
499
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:24,896
And popped it on the table and he
looked around at each one of us and said,
500
00:45:24,939 --> 00:45:28,943
"Your drummer Benny
has over-tabbed."
501
00:45:28,987 --> 00:45:31,467
He says, "In fact,
he's gone into y'all's money."
502
00:45:31,511 --> 00:45:36,995
At that particular time, Jamerson pulled out
a piece... his piece... and laid it down.
503
00:45:37,038 --> 00:45:39,301
He says, "I got to feed
my family." He looked.
504
00:45:39,345 --> 00:45:42,304
Then Robert White
pulled out a piece...
505
00:45:42,348 --> 00:45:45,873
And nobody expected Robert to
pull out a piece... and he laid his down.
506
00:45:45,917 --> 00:45:50,922
He looked around, and I pulled
out my little .22 and laid it down.
507
00:45:50,965 --> 00:45:53,489
He said, "What kind of band
have I got here?"
508
00:45:53,533 --> 00:45:56,492
He got so confused
until he even paid Benny.
509
00:45:56,536 --> 00:45:59,017
He paid everybody.
Yeah.
510
00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:04,109
Motown was really...
It was America's introduction...
511
00:46:04,152 --> 00:46:07,199
to soul music.
512
00:46:07,242 --> 00:46:09,549
It was America's introduction
to soul music.
513
00:46:09,592 --> 00:46:13,292
And soul music is powerful.
Soul music makes you believe.
514
00:46:13,335 --> 00:46:17,426
Soul music gives you hope
in the way that you feel...
515
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:19,515
In the way that
you want to feel.
516
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:23,824
That's what was coming out of the
sounds I heard these men making as a child.
517
00:46:23,868 --> 00:46:28,002
It gave me unconscious hope. I
didn't know why. It gave my father hope.
518
00:46:28,046 --> 00:46:31,353
So, for years and years, players...
519
00:46:31,397 --> 00:46:34,922
and producers
have been trying to...
520
00:46:34,966 --> 00:46:39,187
find that magic
Motown sound and pocket...
521
00:46:39,231 --> 00:46:42,147
as if it's
some sort of a formula.
522
00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:45,063
People would always say
everything but the musicians.
523
00:46:45,106 --> 00:46:48,196
They would say it was
the artist, the producers,
524
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,984
the way the building was
structured or the wood in the floor,
525
00:46:53,027 --> 00:46:55,595
or maybe even food.
526
00:46:55,638 --> 00:47:01,296
I'd like to see 'em take some barbecue ribs
or hamburgers and throw down in that studio,
527
00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:05,213
shut the door and count out one, two,
three, four and get a hit out of there.
528
00:47:05,257 --> 00:47:07,215
The formula was the musicians.
529
00:47:07,259 --> 00:47:10,218
I'll be Earl Van Dyke.
530
00:47:10,262 --> 00:47:14,222
Take "Ain't Too Proud To Beg,"
which I think everybody is familiar with.
531
00:47:14,266 --> 00:47:17,922
All right. Uriel, give it
to me... you and Pistol.
532
00:47:19,924 --> 00:47:22,100
See how that feels right there?
533
00:47:22,143 --> 00:47:25,059
I'm gonna put a little bass in
there. One, two, three, four.
534
00:47:27,322 --> 00:47:30,586
All right. Now bring a little
bit of guitars in there for you.
535
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:34,895
One, two, three, four.
536
00:47:34,939 --> 00:47:38,594
All right. We'll bring a little
Johnny Griffith on keyboard in there.
537
00:47:42,468 --> 00:47:44,600
You see how that feels?
538
00:47:44,644 --> 00:47:46,907
That's part of
the Motown sound, right?
539
00:47:46,951 --> 00:47:49,257
Now I'm gonna add
my tambourine to it.
540
00:47:49,301 --> 00:47:51,520
Only a beat better.
541
00:50:42,517 --> 00:50:45,346
By the time the Funk Brothers
recorded Jimmy Ruffin's...
542
00:50:45,390 --> 00:50:48,306
"What Becomes of the
Brokenhearted" in 1966,
543
00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:52,179
the Motown sound had traveled a
great distance from the twist records...
544
00:50:52,223 --> 00:50:55,617
and blues and doo-wop-influenced
tracks of its early days.
545
00:50:55,661 --> 00:51:00,535
Advances in recording technology and an
influx of skilled arrangers and composers...
546
00:51:00,579 --> 00:51:05,366
had brought about new levels of
sonic clarity and musical sophistication.
547
00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:08,456
But the most noticeable
difference was power...
548
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:11,111
Raw power.
549
00:51:11,155 --> 00:51:14,854
The added muscle coincided with the
emergence of keyboardist Earl Van Dyke...
550
00:51:14,897 --> 00:51:18,118
as one of the central
figures down in Studio "A."
551
00:51:18,162 --> 00:51:20,562
He was a natural born leader
whose forceful playing style...
552
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:24,124
was jokingly called "gorilla piano."
553
00:51:24,168 --> 00:51:28,389
Van Dyke became the hub through
which Motown's producers and arrangers...
554
00:51:28,433 --> 00:51:32,132
often communicated their ideas to the band.
555
00:51:32,176 --> 00:51:35,483
He was like the glue
for everything... Earl was.
556
00:51:35,527 --> 00:51:38,791
He's... solid keyboard. He'd
have the piano rocking actually.
557
00:51:38,834 --> 00:51:41,359
Actually rocking. That's
why we call him Big Funk.
558
00:51:41,402 --> 00:51:45,319
They'd have to have a piano
tuner come in and redo things...
559
00:51:45,363 --> 00:51:48,627
after Earl got through playing
because he put so much muscle into it.
560
00:51:48,670 --> 00:51:53,197
When Earl came in, that's when we developed
the style of two pianos playing...
561
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,330
Not together...
But accompanying each other.
562
00:51:56,374 --> 00:51:59,812
But there were so many good days
among the musicians in the studio.
563
00:51:59,855 --> 00:52:03,207
You guys had fun.
We had fun. We had fun.
564
00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:05,383
And you must... Like I've said before...
565
00:52:05,426 --> 00:52:08,342
There were kids like Stevie
who we could never get rid of.
566
00:52:08,386 --> 00:52:12,303
Stevie liked to hang out with
the guys, him being a musician.
567
00:52:12,346 --> 00:52:15,654
We could never really get rid of
Stevie. Stevie was always there.
568
00:52:15,697 --> 00:52:19,788
Stevie and the Four Tops and Marvin Gaye...
569
00:52:19,832 --> 00:52:21,790
They were always in there.
Bobby Taylor.
570
00:52:21,834 --> 00:52:24,445
The older guys have
always been our favorites.
571
00:52:27,622 --> 00:52:30,408
He was part of the foundation of Motown.
572
00:52:30,451 --> 00:52:33,846
He was one of the first
ones to teach me piano.
573
00:52:33,889 --> 00:52:38,633
A lot of the people
here today are really, um,
574
00:52:38,677 --> 00:52:43,508
people that were the
musical foundation of Motown.
575
00:52:43,551 --> 00:52:46,815
Earl was a great man and,
most of all, a spiritual man.
576
00:52:46,859 --> 00:52:50,384
Stevie came here with Mr. Paul...
Clarence Paul.
577
00:52:50,428 --> 00:52:54,214
They were standing on the
steps as you go into the studio.
578
00:52:54,258 --> 00:52:56,912
When we got through doing the little ditty,
579
00:52:56,956 --> 00:52:59,785
first thing he walked over to
was the piano where I was.
580
00:52:59,828 --> 00:53:02,309
He says, "I like the
way you play the piano."
581
00:53:02,353 --> 00:53:05,399
I showed him a few chords.
He said, "What's that?"
582
00:53:05,443 --> 00:53:08,881
I said, "That's an E-flat major, and
I'm throwing a color tone in there,
583
00:53:08,924 --> 00:53:11,405
which is the flatted fifth,"
and so forth and so on.
584
00:53:11,449 --> 00:53:13,973
He shake his head, "Yeah."
585
00:53:14,016 --> 00:53:18,586
Finally I found out about a
year later he didn't need me.
586
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:21,807
He done learned
more than I'd learned.
587
00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:25,332
The same thing with Benny. Benny
taught him how to hold his wrists...
588
00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:29,423
and how to use those sticks,
and I don't think he needed Benny.
589
00:53:29,467 --> 00:53:31,643
- He fired everybody he worked with.
- Yeah.
590
00:53:34,515 --> 00:53:38,867
When I started playing music, I didn't
start on drums. I was playing trombone.
591
00:53:38,911 --> 00:53:42,828
At the same time I was playing trombone,
I was training down at Brewster Center.
592
00:53:42,871 --> 00:53:46,832
You know, boxing. I was
determined to do both of them.
593
00:53:46,875 --> 00:53:51,402
But it was kind of hard, 'cause
they was kicking my butt at Brewster,
594
00:53:51,445 --> 00:53:54,753
and when I'd come to class to play
trombone, my lip would be swollen.
595
00:53:54,796 --> 00:53:57,495
I'd be trying to play
out the side of my mouth.
596
00:53:57,538 --> 00:54:00,280
My music teacher told me,
"You gotta make up your mind.
597
00:54:00,324 --> 00:54:04,371
You're gonna either box
or you're gonna be a musician."
598
00:54:04,415 --> 00:54:07,983
So I said, "Okay." That's
when I started playing drums.
599
00:54:08,027 --> 00:54:10,725
So, I didn't have no full set of drums.
600
00:54:10,769 --> 00:54:15,774
I had a snare drum. I had a high hat. I
don't know what I was using for a cymbal.
601
00:54:15,817 --> 00:54:21,780
But I know my bass drum was one of
those old heavy cardboard beer cases.
602
00:54:21,823 --> 00:54:24,957
And right to the day, I have
never found the sound...
603
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,699
that sound as good
as that beer case did.
604
00:54:29,353 --> 00:54:34,706
We were sneaking around town.
Different studios. United Sound.
605
00:54:34,749 --> 00:54:36,882
Pack Three. Pack Three.
606
00:54:36,925 --> 00:54:42,583
You know. We was doing
a little outside moonlighting.
607
00:54:42,627 --> 00:54:44,846
And you weren't
supposed to?
608
00:54:44,890 --> 00:54:50,025
No, see, 'cause some of these guys
were under contract... exclusive contracts.
609
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:53,072
Motown wanted to
keep the sound.
610
00:54:53,115 --> 00:54:57,424
Yeah. Yeah. I guess they was paying for it.
I guess a few bucks. You know.
611
00:54:59,383 --> 00:55:05,345
So they started putting spies
around in different places.
612
00:55:05,389 --> 00:55:09,349
Like, in hidden cars
and behind buildings...
613
00:55:09,393 --> 00:55:13,962
and the shrubbery
that was near the studio.
614
00:55:14,006 --> 00:55:16,661
They had spies
like that around, you know.
615
00:55:16,704 --> 00:55:19,620
They offered me a hundred
dollars a week to be a spy.
616
00:55:19,664 --> 00:55:21,622
How much? A hundred.
617
00:55:21,666 --> 00:55:23,972
One hundred dollars.
618
00:55:24,016 --> 00:55:27,454
Extra hundred bucks a week.
Naturally, I took it. I said, "Well, yeah."
619
00:55:27,498 --> 00:55:30,675
Throw it all in the pot.
It's all the same to me.
620
00:55:30,718 --> 00:55:33,721
I had no intentions
of spying on anybody anyway.
621
00:55:33,765 --> 00:55:37,986
When they'd see us coming out, there would
be at least a couple of them are gonna say,
622
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:42,687
"We caught you.
You're fired. You're fired.
623
00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:44,689
You're fired."
624
00:55:44,732 --> 00:55:48,083
This is real.
And you said to Jack,
625
00:55:48,127 --> 00:55:52,000
"You're fired twice...
626
00:55:52,044 --> 00:55:56,396
because we saw you
coming out of there yesterday."
627
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,704
Finally they called me in and
said, "Look, we're paying you.
628
00:55:59,747 --> 00:56:02,663
You haven't told us anything.
Who's doing what where?"
629
00:56:02,707 --> 00:56:04,970
I said, "Well,
there's nothing happening."
630
00:56:05,013 --> 00:56:09,583
They said, "Well, no, we've got pictures
of people coming out of the studios...
631
00:56:09,627 --> 00:56:12,107
"and, you know...
632
00:56:12,151 --> 00:56:15,981
As a result, you're fired."
633
00:56:16,024 --> 00:56:19,767
I said, "Wait a minute.
How can you fire me?
634
00:56:19,811 --> 00:56:23,423
"From what I've seen...
James Bond and all these guys...
635
00:56:23,467 --> 00:56:28,036
"The usual spy... you get
a Maserati or you get a...
636
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,779
You gonna give me a hundred
dollars a week... I can't even buy gas."
637
00:56:31,823 --> 00:56:34,608
They said, "Look,
638
00:56:34,652 --> 00:56:36,610
we're still firing you."
639
00:56:36,654 --> 00:56:38,786
So I lost my job as a spy,
640
00:56:38,830 --> 00:56:43,443
but they let me continue to...
To play piano.
641
00:56:43,487 --> 00:56:47,099
Even during Motown's golden period,
642
00:56:47,142 --> 00:56:49,971
when Hitsville sessions were
going on around the clock,
643
00:56:50,015 --> 00:56:52,670
the Funk Brothers were
still dashing all over Detroit...
644
00:56:52,713 --> 00:56:55,455
recording for any studio or record label...
645
00:56:55,499 --> 00:56:59,633
that offered them another
opportunity to create some magic.
646
00:56:59,677 --> 00:57:03,594
Among the hits recorded outside of Motown
were Jackie Wilson's "Higher and Higher,"
647
00:57:03,637 --> 00:57:05,813
John Lee Hooker's "Boom Boom Boom"...
648
00:57:05,857 --> 00:57:08,990
and the Capitols' hit
dance tune, "Cool Jerk."
649
00:59:23,995 --> 00:59:26,954
In the mid-'60s, Motown
was a permanent fixture...
650
00:59:26,998 --> 00:59:29,261
at the top of theBillboard charts.
651
00:59:29,304 --> 00:59:32,307
As their artists chalked up one
number-one hit after another,
652
00:59:32,351 --> 00:59:35,659
they began to emerge as
some of the brightest stars...
653
00:59:35,702 --> 00:59:38,139
in the galaxy of R&B and pop music.
654
00:59:38,183 --> 00:59:42,970
But the Funk Brothers remained
earthbound and unknown.
655
00:59:43,014 --> 00:59:45,669
While they were beginning
to share the financial success,
656
00:59:45,712 --> 00:59:49,324
they missed out on
that elusive entity... glory.
657
00:59:49,368 --> 00:59:52,850
Their last great tour before they
became totally studio-bound...
658
00:59:52,893 --> 00:59:56,157
opened their eyes to what fame could mean.
659
00:59:56,201 --> 00:59:59,247
It was the acclaimed 1965
Tamla-Motown revue...
660
00:59:59,291 --> 01:00:02,294
that took England by storm.
661
01:00:02,337 --> 01:00:04,644
What amazed me...
662
01:00:04,688 --> 01:00:06,690
They actually knew the musicians.
663
01:00:06,733 --> 01:00:08,692
When we got off of the plane in London,
664
01:00:08,735 --> 01:00:11,129
these little British guys come
up to us with these signs,
665
01:00:11,172 --> 01:00:14,306
and I said, "Who are these guys?"
666
01:00:14,349 --> 01:00:17,657
They walked up and said, "We're the
James Jamerson Appreciation Fan Club."
667
01:00:17,701 --> 01:00:21,226
I said, "James Jamerson?
He's not even with us.
668
01:00:21,269 --> 01:00:26,100
Maybe I'll be James Jamerson.
I could use a fan club."That's right.
669
01:00:26,144 --> 01:00:29,756
While Motown invaded the U.K.,
670
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,238
the British were invading the U.S.,
armed with some American weapons...
671
01:00:33,281 --> 01:00:35,675
Motown tunes.
672
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:37,740
The Beatles landed in New
York with cover versions...
673
01:00:37,764 --> 01:00:41,072
of "Please, Mr. Postman," "Money"...
674
01:00:41,115 --> 01:00:44,684
and "You've Really Got a Hold
on Me" in their musical arsenal.
675
01:00:44,728 --> 01:00:48,166
John Lennon remarked that the Motown
drummer hit a snare with so much force...
676
01:00:48,209 --> 01:00:50,734
"it sounded like he hit
it with a bloody tree."
677
01:00:50,777 --> 01:00:56,043
There was no doubt they were listening
to Motown's musicians and listening hard.
678
01:00:56,087 --> 01:00:59,394
In subsequent years, other
British bands covered Motown hits,
679
01:00:59,438 --> 01:01:03,355
including the Rolling Stones, with their
renditions of "Ain't Too Proud to Beg,".
680
01:01:03,398 --> 01:01:06,097
"My Girl" and "Going to a Go-Go."
681
01:01:06,140 --> 01:01:10,754
The Funk Brothers' musical influence
had spread to musicians all over the world,
682
01:01:10,797 --> 01:01:13,017
whether they knew it or not.
683
01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:16,020
You know, in the mid-'60s
when we were at Motown,
684
01:01:16,063 --> 01:01:19,240
we were pretty hot and we would
have producers lined up back to back...
685
01:01:19,284 --> 01:01:21,852
waiting to get into the
studio to work with us.
686
01:01:21,895 --> 01:01:25,943
They didn't even consider the fact that it
was a 12-hour or 14-hour day sometimes.
687
01:01:25,986 --> 01:01:28,728
"Rig" means when you
play the song so much...
688
01:01:28,772 --> 01:01:31,470
until it begins to get stiff
and everybody's tired,
689
01:01:31,513 --> 01:01:33,907
you'd say,
"Rigor mortis is here now."
690
01:01:33,951 --> 01:01:37,258
'Cause you exhausted your
creativity on it, you know.
691
01:01:37,302 --> 01:01:40,871
Which happens sometimes,
especially when we had a producer...
692
01:01:40,914 --> 01:01:44,788
that we told him he was wasting his
money, then he was gonna prove he wasn't.
693
01:01:44,831 --> 01:01:49,488
"Take 64!"
He starts floggin' us.
694
01:01:49,531 --> 01:01:52,404
Wasn't nothin' really
gonna happen then.
695
01:01:52,447 --> 01:01:55,755
So we had to find some place to relax...
696
01:01:55,799 --> 01:01:59,280
because it was really a pressure
cooker in the Snakepit at that time.
697
01:01:59,324 --> 01:02:01,979
This one time, Earl came
up and said that he'd found...
698
01:02:02,022 --> 01:02:05,112
a funeral parlor that we
could go and hide out.
699
01:02:05,156 --> 01:02:07,767
Shit. So we would just do
this on many occasions...
700
01:02:07,811 --> 01:02:09,963
because, as I said, we were
cutting seven days a week.
701
01:02:09,987 --> 01:02:13,773
The studio finally found out
where we were hanging out,
702
01:02:13,817 --> 01:02:17,777
and damn if Motown didn't send
somebody over there from management...
703
01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:20,214
to find out where we were
hiding. What's that smell?
704
01:02:20,258 --> 01:02:22,216
Just a little
embalming fluid.
705
01:02:22,260 --> 01:02:25,829
Earl had had the funeral
director trained what to say...
706
01:02:25,872 --> 01:02:28,527
in the event that someone
would come over there.
707
01:02:28,570 --> 01:02:32,357
- But I really, really have to go.
- Wait.
708
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,317
I want to show you how to use
my saw and bone crusher.
709
01:02:36,361 --> 01:02:38,406
We would fall down laughing.
710
01:02:40,452 --> 01:02:44,151
You're not gonna believe this. I
was forced to play a tambourine.
711
01:02:44,195 --> 01:02:46,850
In church? No. With Charles Harrison.
712
01:02:46,893 --> 01:02:49,853
Came to the rehearsal when
they were the big tambourines.
713
01:02:49,896 --> 01:02:52,507
Looked like a dishpan.
I'd never touched one.Right.
714
01:02:52,551 --> 01:02:55,989
So I got finished doing my solo. He
said, "Pick the tambourine up, man."
715
01:02:56,033 --> 01:02:58,383
I said, "Hell, no."
He said, "Pick the tambourine... ".
716
01:02:58,426 --> 01:03:01,038
He got angry 'cause I wouldn't
pick the tambourine up.
717
01:03:01,081 --> 01:03:03,388
So I picked the damn
tambourine up.
718
01:03:05,042 --> 01:03:08,349
I didn't know what happened.
I said, "Damn, this feels good."
719
01:03:08,393 --> 01:03:12,136
I started playin', and the tambourine
just took on a life of its own.
720
01:03:12,179 --> 01:03:15,835
I came from Memphis, Tennessee,
and I started...
721
01:03:15,879 --> 01:03:18,490
First began on the drums
and everything.
722
01:03:18,533 --> 01:03:22,363
I started in a commerce class,
you know, on a Royal typewriter.
723
01:03:22,407 --> 01:03:25,540
You know? I wanted to be
a CPA, an engineer.
724
01:03:25,584 --> 01:03:28,065
So we had to take
typing class, you know.
725
01:03:28,108 --> 01:03:31,155
So I was sitting there at the
desk listening to drum beats,
726
01:03:31,198 --> 01:03:35,028
so I wind up playin'
drum beats on the typewriter.
727
01:03:35,072 --> 01:03:40,207
So the teacher'd say, "Hey, what do you
want to do? Play the drums or be a CPA?"
728
01:03:40,251 --> 01:03:44,255
I said, "I want to play drums." So she kicked
me out, and that's how I got into playing drums.
729
01:03:44,298 --> 01:03:48,563
And I moved to Detroit,
West End, with all the guys,
730
01:03:48,607 --> 01:03:51,044
got into the jazz thing.
731
01:03:51,088 --> 01:03:54,091
Then while at the 20 Grand with Levi Mann,
732
01:03:54,134 --> 01:03:57,485
Benny used to come in and play some
of the shows; I met Benny Benjamin.
733
01:03:57,529 --> 01:04:00,575
And Benny said, "Hey, man, you
sound good. Why don't you come down?
734
01:04:00,619 --> 01:04:02,926
"You can play this stuff. It's easy.
735
01:04:02,969 --> 01:04:06,407
All you gotta do is play...
And keep your mouth closed."
736
01:04:06,451 --> 01:04:08,583
Fine. I got in.
737
01:04:08,627 --> 01:04:11,499
"Grapevine..." The beat
on the tom-tom like that... Mm-hmm.
738
01:04:11,543 --> 01:04:15,068
It came like the old days,
took it from the backbeat.Yes.
739
01:04:18,942 --> 01:04:23,250
With a backbeat to it. So Shank,
Joe Messina and three guitars...
740
01:04:23,294 --> 01:04:27,080
Uh-huh. So Jamerson came in...
741
01:04:27,124 --> 01:04:31,432
So Shank, Joe and Robert came an
octave ahead of, you know, Jamerson.
742
01:04:31,476 --> 01:04:34,566
That's where that funk got to get in.
But you got to have that head action.
743
01:04:34,609 --> 01:04:37,090
Uh-huh. You like that?
744
01:04:37,134 --> 01:04:40,615
Yeah, baby!
745
01:04:40,659 --> 01:04:45,098
- She's getting down already.
- Turn the tape on.
746
01:07:24,779 --> 01:07:30,394
We were all quite happy about the success
of... "I Heard It Through the Grapevine."
747
01:07:30,437 --> 01:07:35,616
At the same time, there was a mixed emotion
type thing going on with Benny Benjamin.
748
01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:38,663
He had a drug problem, a bad drug problem.
749
01:07:38,706 --> 01:07:41,100
He was just about
at the bottom.
750
01:07:41,144 --> 01:07:46,758
But at one point, Benny kind of
disappeared for a couple of weeks.
751
01:07:46,801 --> 01:07:52,416
So Earl, you know, started trying
to find out what happened to him.
752
01:07:52,459 --> 01:07:55,810
And he, uh...
He found Benny.
753
01:07:55,854 --> 01:08:01,338
And Earl came in just before
the session started and said,
754
01:08:01,381 --> 01:08:06,299
"Guys, I don't think there's gonna
be no session. See, Benny just died."
755
01:08:06,343 --> 01:08:09,476
And, uh, you know,
that was it.
756
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,652
It turned everybody
around. Yeah, it turned...
757
01:08:11,696 --> 01:08:15,221
So we didn't do
no session that day.Yeah.
758
01:08:15,265 --> 01:08:18,703
You know, when they would pass
the music out to the musicians,
759
01:08:18,746 --> 01:08:21,619
every group would get
their own little stuff together.
760
01:08:21,662 --> 01:08:24,361
I'd get together with Earl
because I played vibes,
761
01:08:24,404 --> 01:08:27,146
and they'd pass the music
over to the guitar players.
762
01:08:27,190 --> 01:08:31,411
And they would huddle together like
a group of little magpies workin' on it.
763
01:08:31,455 --> 01:08:35,415
They'd be tryin' their parts
and laughin' up their sleeves.
764
01:08:35,459 --> 01:08:39,898
So Earl would just look at 'em, and
he named 'em Heckle, Jeckle and Son.
765
01:08:39,941 --> 01:08:43,336
And they'd jump up and say,
"Yeah, we got it. We're ready."
766
01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:47,688
And so, you know... They'd really tear it up,
too, because they really did have it together.
767
01:08:47,732 --> 01:08:51,301
All of it was important,
as you know... the parts.
768
01:08:51,344 --> 01:08:55,870
And we'd just work around each other,
and nothin' ever ran into each other.
769
01:08:55,914 --> 01:08:59,222
I think the magic was
we'd listen to each other.
770
01:08:59,265 --> 01:09:01,876
And we liked each other,
which was important.
771
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,750
Yeah, right, Joe. Yeah. We had
a friendship. I think that helped.
772
01:09:05,793 --> 01:09:09,754
I was born in Mississippi. My
little town was Grenada, Mississippi.
773
01:09:09,797 --> 01:09:13,888
I built my own guitar
out of a broom wire...
774
01:09:13,932 --> 01:09:16,630
and attached it to the house,
and I made the house rock.
775
01:09:16,674 --> 01:09:21,200
I moved to Detroit
in '52.1952.
776
01:09:21,244 --> 01:09:25,900
My dad had a guitar in the
house. He liked the instrument.
777
01:09:25,944 --> 01:09:29,687
He used to play Italian weddings.
You know, they played the Italian music.
778
01:09:29,730 --> 01:09:32,472
All that influenced me.
You know, just anybody.
779
01:09:32,516 --> 01:09:34,909
Whoever was playing
guitar. Listening to radio,
780
01:09:34,953 --> 01:09:38,217
and listening to Chet Atkins,
B.B. King or Albert King.
781
01:09:38,261 --> 01:09:42,308
I'd practice all day. At times, I
would skip school to practice.
782
01:09:42,352 --> 01:09:45,529
First gig was with this group
with Marv Johnson,
783
01:09:45,572 --> 01:09:49,924
and eventually he did take me into Motown
and I did a couple of his recordings.
784
01:09:49,968 --> 01:09:53,493
It so happened, everybody
liked what they heard, you know.
785
01:09:53,537 --> 01:09:56,714
I was playing some pretty
good funk, man, you know.
786
01:09:56,757 --> 01:10:00,500
And they kind of went for it,
so I ended up stayin' there.
787
01:10:00,544 --> 01:10:03,721
I end up on the night show
with Soupy Sales.
788
01:10:03,764 --> 01:10:06,245
Uh, I was there
for 14 years.
789
01:10:06,289 --> 01:10:08,769
We had some very good
musicians.
790
01:10:08,813 --> 01:10:11,946
Who used to come there?
We had Charlie Parker,
791
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:14,558
Miles, Coltrane.
792
01:10:14,601 --> 01:10:17,952
I never listened to guitar
players. Mainly horn men.
793
01:10:17,996 --> 01:10:20,651
I was more
in the jazz vein.
794
01:10:20,694 --> 01:10:23,654
I liked Charlie Parker,
so I'd get all his records.
795
01:10:31,966 --> 01:10:34,621
I was working a club
called the 20 Grand...
796
01:10:34,665 --> 01:10:36,797
with Levi Mann,
and Berry came in.
797
01:10:36,841 --> 01:10:41,411
And, uh, he talked to me. He
asked me if I wanted to record for him.
798
01:10:41,454 --> 01:10:44,283
I said, "Yes, I will."
799
01:10:44,327 --> 01:10:47,808
Did y'all mention Eddie Bongo?
'Cause he was a Funk Brother. All through.
800
01:10:47,852 --> 01:10:50,724
Eddie was a good guy. Eddie
kept a whole lot of mess going,
801
01:10:50,768 --> 01:10:53,031
and he was Marvin's right-hand man.
802
01:10:53,074 --> 01:10:58,297
The thing I remember about him most was
his conga playing. He could really play.
803
01:10:58,341 --> 01:11:03,476
If there's one guy that kept things
loose, it was Eddie "Bongo" Brown.
804
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:08,525
Bongo's got the music sheets up there. I don't
know why they put that music sheet up there.
805
01:11:08,568 --> 01:11:12,833
He couldn't even read. Had the sheets
sitting up there. Got the producer tricked.
806
01:11:12,877 --> 01:11:16,315
Bongo's just playing his ass off. He's
playing. Boom, boom, boom, boom.
807
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:19,840
I look over there, and he's got a
nudie magazine sittin' up there...
808
01:11:19,884 --> 01:11:23,017
with legs gaped over him
with moon feet.
809
01:11:23,061 --> 01:11:27,631
Oh, my God! And they
swore that he was readin'. Readin'.
810
01:11:27,674 --> 01:11:30,721
He invented a couple
licks that I hear a lot now...
811
01:11:30,764 --> 01:11:33,550
I think he borrowed
them from the Caribbean...
812
01:11:33,593 --> 01:11:37,815
Where he'd lick his finger and slide it
over the drum and get a great sound.
813
01:11:37,858 --> 01:11:40,992
He got all kinds of neat
little sounds that way.
814
01:11:41,035 --> 01:11:43,081
He'd put 'em in between his licks,
815
01:11:43,124 --> 01:11:45,910
and people would say,
"What was that? What was that?"
816
01:11:45,953 --> 01:11:49,522
The producer would go crazy.
"What's that? Do that again."
817
01:11:49,566 --> 01:11:53,526
When I started out singing, I used to sing
in this little blues bar called Dan Lynch,
818
01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:55,572
and they had
this amazing jukebox.
819
01:11:55,615 --> 01:11:58,401
I would go over there pretty
much every night after I played,
820
01:11:58,444 --> 01:12:00,901
and I would play that song, "What
Becomes of the Brokenhearted."
821
01:12:00,925 --> 01:12:03,884
I feel as though "Brokenhearted"
is a song that could really live again.
822
01:12:03,928 --> 01:12:06,887
This'll be the audition
today, and see if we can...
823
01:12:06,931 --> 01:12:10,543
No, it won't be an audition.
You've already passed the test. For me.
824
01:12:10,587 --> 01:12:14,721
It's a good opportunity to see if you
really like it after we finish playing it...
825
01:12:14,765 --> 01:12:16,897
To see if we still have it.
826
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:54,218
You know, that's probably
one of the more recognizable...
827
01:16:54,261 --> 01:16:58,004
guitar licks
of the early Motown days,
828
01:16:58,048 --> 01:17:02,661
and when I originally
played it 27 years ago,
829
01:17:02,705 --> 01:17:06,099
I didn't think much about it...
Only that it worked.
830
01:17:06,143 --> 01:17:10,887
In the small confines
of Studio "A,"
831
01:17:10,930 --> 01:17:13,803
myself and the rest of
the musicians didn't realize...
832
01:17:13,846 --> 01:17:16,849
what an impact we'd have
on the rest of the world.
833
01:17:16,893 --> 01:17:19,939
He was very quiet, and he
had a mystique about him.
834
01:17:19,983 --> 01:17:24,683
But you couldn't find
a better, steadier guitarist.
835
01:17:24,727 --> 01:17:27,860
And the chords were jazz,
but he made it fit in R&B.
836
01:17:27,904 --> 01:17:32,909
They called us the Oreo
Cookie Guitar Section,
837
01:17:32,952 --> 01:17:37,696
because... Robert White sat to my
right and Eddie Willis sat to my left.
838
01:17:37,740 --> 01:17:41,221
And the white boy.
Joseph.
839
01:17:41,265 --> 01:17:46,749
Shortly after Earl Van Dyke died in 1992,
840
01:17:46,792 --> 01:17:50,230
I was going out to visit
Robert in Los Angeles.
841
01:17:50,274 --> 01:17:53,712
We went out to eat,
and wouldn't you know it,
842
01:17:53,756 --> 01:17:55,975
as we're about to order
and the waiter's comin' over,
843
01:17:56,019 --> 01:17:58,717
all of a sudden you hear the
guitar line from "My Girl"...
844
01:17:58,761 --> 01:18:01,720
come over the speaker
in the restaurant.
845
01:18:01,764 --> 01:18:04,418
And Robert got real excited,
real animated, and he said...
846
01:18:04,462 --> 01:18:08,248
As the waiter walked over, he said, "Hey,
man, you hear that? That's... That's... ".
847
01:18:08,292 --> 01:18:11,164
And he stopped dead.
848
01:18:11,208 --> 01:18:14,733
Then he kind of looked embarrassed
and looked down at the menu, and he says,
849
01:18:14,777 --> 01:18:16,909
"I think I'll have
the barbecued chicken."
850
01:18:16,953 --> 01:18:19,259
Then I just ordered my thing,
and the guy walked away,
851
01:18:19,303 --> 01:18:22,872
and I said, "Robert, you were gonna
tell him that was you, weren't you?"
852
01:18:22,915 --> 01:18:25,831
He said... He kind of looked
embarrassed, and he said,
853
01:18:25,875 --> 01:18:30,227
"Yeah, yeah, but... I don't know. He'd look
at me and say look at this tired old fool.
854
01:18:30,270 --> 01:18:33,926
He'd never believe it."
And that floored me.
855
01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:38,931
Because here's a guy who played
a guitar line that's the equivalent...
856
01:18:38,975 --> 01:18:41,760
It's like one of the top five
all-time guitar hooks.
857
01:18:41,804 --> 01:18:44,284
It's right up there with
"Satisfaction" by the Stones...
858
01:18:44,328 --> 01:18:47,984
and "Paperback Writer" or
"Come As You Are" from Nirvana.
859
01:18:48,027 --> 01:18:52,466
At that point I realized, here's a guy who's
lived for 30 years, this close to his dream,
860
01:18:52,510 --> 01:18:56,470
and yet instead of being
inside the dream looking out,
861
01:18:56,514 --> 01:19:01,084
he was on the outside of the dream
looking in, never able to touch that dream.
862
01:19:01,127 --> 01:19:05,958
I knew at that point Robert desperately
needed some recognition in his lifetime.
863
01:19:06,002 --> 01:19:09,962
But he didn't make it across the
finish line with the rest of the guys.
864
01:19:13,009 --> 01:19:16,142
The summer of love introduced the world...
865
01:19:16,186 --> 01:19:20,320
to the soaring guitar and
pulsating wah-wah of Jimi Hendrix.
866
01:19:20,364 --> 01:19:25,543
The following year, Sly Stone's relentless
Oakland funk swept over an enraptured public.
867
01:19:25,586 --> 01:19:31,157
Mesmerized by these new trends, Motown producer
Norman Whitfield enlisted the Funk Brothers,
868
01:19:31,201 --> 01:19:35,901
along with innovative newcomers
Wah Wah Watson and Dennis Coffey,
869
01:19:35,945 --> 01:19:39,513
to help fuse these new
elements into the Motown sound.
870
01:19:39,557 --> 01:19:43,822
Psychedelic soul had
arrived down in the Snakepit.
871
01:19:43,866 --> 01:19:46,390
In San Francisco with Jimi Hendrix,
872
01:19:46,433 --> 01:19:49,088
they had a lot of the fuzz tones...
873
01:19:49,132 --> 01:19:52,222
and they had the wah-wah
pedal and things like that...
874
01:19:52,265 --> 01:19:54,398
The special effects on some of the guitars.
875
01:19:54,441 --> 01:19:57,401
And what happened was, in one
of those earlier sessions...
876
01:19:57,444 --> 01:20:00,404
where we were rehearsing
and working with producers,
877
01:20:00,447 --> 01:20:04,582
Norman Whitfield came in and he
brought in this song, "Cloud Nine."
878
01:20:04,625 --> 01:20:09,065
And I had a wah-wah pedal with me,
and I took it out and started playing it.
879
01:20:09,108 --> 01:20:11,589
And within a few days, I got
the call to do the session.
880
01:23:18,471 --> 01:23:24,216
I haven't heard anybody play "What's
Going On" like the record, ever. Nobody.
881
01:23:24,260 --> 01:23:28,351
The only person I ever heard do it was
Babbitt last week. I never heard Babbitt.
882
01:23:28,394 --> 01:23:30,788
Oh, Babbitt did it last week?
883
01:23:30,831 --> 01:23:34,400
When I heard Babbitt... I'm sorry... the
other night, it just blew me away, man.
884
01:23:34,444 --> 01:23:39,753
Dang, I felt like I was back, you
know, 35, 40 years ago as a kid.
885
01:23:39,797 --> 01:23:42,060
I'm sorry. What'd you say?
Ralphe, you remember?
886
01:23:42,104 --> 01:23:44,715
As a bass player in Detroit,
I know I came a little later...
887
01:23:44,758 --> 01:23:47,413
You were late. It was '74, '72.
888
01:23:47,457 --> 01:23:52,418
But if you could not play that solo
from that record that Bob Babbitt did...
889
01:23:52,462 --> 01:23:55,334
You remember?
"Scorpio"? Oh, yeah.
890
01:23:55,378 --> 01:23:59,295
You weren't a bass player.
You couldn't get a gig! That's right.
891
01:23:59,338 --> 01:24:02,080
You couldn't play,
man. He's tellin' the truth.
892
01:24:02,124 --> 01:24:05,083
You couldn't get a gig. "Scorpio."
893
01:24:05,127 --> 01:24:10,349
You couldn't get a gig if you couldn't
play that. You wasn't doin' nothin'.
894
01:24:10,393 --> 01:24:14,701
See, what was so beautiful about it... People
loved Babbitt. It wasn't about no color.
895
01:24:14,745 --> 01:24:17,139
They just loved
his musicianship. That's all it was.
896
01:24:17,182 --> 01:24:20,055
All the cats in the hood.
"Man, that's Babbitt."
897
01:24:26,452 --> 01:24:28,802
When I went to...
898
01:24:28,846 --> 01:24:32,110
Seventh grade, I guess
it was, I was in the choir,
899
01:24:32,154 --> 01:24:37,681
and the same choir teacher
was also the orchestra teacher.
900
01:24:37,724 --> 01:24:41,728
She said to me, "I know somebody that's
gonna play bass in the orchestra next year."
901
01:24:41,772 --> 01:24:45,210
And I... Boom, it's me she's
looking at and pointing at.
902
01:24:45,254 --> 01:24:47,734
So I started playing
upright bass.
903
01:24:47,778 --> 01:24:52,565
I'm supposed to be studying classical, which
I am as long as my mother and dad are up.
904
01:24:52,609 --> 01:24:56,526
Soon as they go to bed, they had
some stations on the radio in Pittsburgh...
905
01:24:56,569 --> 01:25:01,357
where they had what they call "race music,"
where you could hear the black music.
906
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,838
And I'd take my bass
and go into the kitchen,
907
01:25:04,882 --> 01:25:09,191
turn the radio on while everybody's
sleeping, and I'd be playing with the radio.
908
01:25:09,234 --> 01:25:14,326
Around 1967, I had been working
live with Stevie Wonder, and...
909
01:25:14,370 --> 01:25:19,331
Stevie brought me in to do
my first session at Motown.
910
01:25:19,375 --> 01:25:22,291
You gotta remember, James...
911
01:25:22,334 --> 01:25:25,903
He set the bass style
for the Motown sound.
912
01:25:29,559 --> 01:25:32,170
Man, nobody can play this.
913
01:25:32,214 --> 01:25:35,173
What? Nobody could play this
laying on their back.
914
01:25:35,217 --> 01:25:37,349
You could if you
were James Jamerson.
915
01:25:37,393 --> 01:25:40,874
This is the story. This is
hard to believe, but it's true.
916
01:25:40,918 --> 01:25:43,312
You gotta tell me this one.
917
01:25:43,355 --> 01:25:47,707
Let me tell you. Marvin was puttin'
this together with "What's Goin' On."
918
01:25:47,751 --> 01:25:51,363
And he was experimenting
with a lot of things.
919
01:25:51,407 --> 01:25:56,194
But what happened... He
decided he needed Jamerson.
920
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:05,769
So Jamerson was workin' a local club,
and Marvin found out where he was workin'.
921
01:26:05,812 --> 01:26:08,554
He went over there to get
him. Jamerson was blasted.
922
01:26:08,598 --> 01:26:11,620
So he said, "Well, I gotta get him back,
because I got this. I gotta get it off."
923
01:26:11,644 --> 01:26:13,907
Brought him back over here
to the studio.
924
01:26:13,951 --> 01:26:16,214
Jamerson really
didn't want to do this,
925
01:26:16,258 --> 01:26:18,608
but because of Marvin,
he said, "Okay, I'll try it."
926
01:26:18,651 --> 01:26:21,959
So Jamerson couldn't sit up on... You know,
he had a high stool he used to sit on.
927
01:26:22,002 --> 01:26:24,831
He was afraid he was gonna
fall. Like a string bass player.
928
01:26:24,875 --> 01:26:28,313
He laid right out where you were
laying and started playing this.
929
01:26:28,357 --> 01:26:30,924
No one believed it.
930
01:26:30,968 --> 01:26:34,276
He did a job that no one
could do standing up.
931
01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:38,671
He did it laying down. That was James
Jamerson. Mm-hmm. Yeah, the master.
932
01:26:38,715 --> 01:26:42,458
Pressure meant nothing to you?
933
01:26:42,501 --> 01:26:47,376
You felt no pressure? It was like I'd
go in, I'd-I'd have to go play... bang.
934
01:26:47,419 --> 01:26:52,294
Sure there was pressure. I mean,
uh, you're sitting in Jamerson's seat.
935
01:26:52,337 --> 01:26:55,601
Right.And... you know
what I'm sayin'?
936
01:26:55,645 --> 01:26:58,300
And-And as far as that...
There was...
937
01:26:58,343 --> 01:27:03,261
To do what he did was... you know,
you couldn't... It was almost impossible.
938
01:27:03,305 --> 01:27:07,309
I'm sure you just were yourself.
I tried to do the best I could.
939
01:27:07,352 --> 01:27:09,876
Another strange question.
940
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:14,925
Watching a documentary that was talking
about some of the Atlantic recordings...
941
01:27:14,968 --> 01:27:18,407
with Aretha Franklin...
Early recordings.
942
01:27:18,450 --> 01:27:23,368
And she had, like, basically, a
totally white band from Nashville.
943
01:27:23,412 --> 01:27:28,286
They were from Memphis
and Muscle Shoals.Right. Okay.
944
01:27:28,330 --> 01:27:31,942
And then Martin Luther King
was assassinated.
945
01:27:31,985 --> 01:27:36,468
Uh, James Brown started to change
his vibe with "I'm Black and I'm Proud."
946
01:27:36,512 --> 01:27:38,992
The whole thing changed,
and a lot of people felt,
947
01:27:39,036 --> 01:27:42,300
well, we didn't want to use
the white musicians.
948
01:27:42,344 --> 01:27:44,694
Did you feel any sort of...
949
01:27:44,737 --> 01:27:49,438
Coming into this environment, did
you feel any sort of racial difference?
950
01:27:49,481 --> 01:27:54,617
There was...
There was such a...
951
01:27:54,660 --> 01:27:56,836
A closeness.
952
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,882
I mean, I can't...
953
01:27:58,925 --> 01:28:02,320
And when Martin Luther King
died...
954
01:28:02,364 --> 01:28:06,716
They never
expressed to me...
955
01:28:06,759 --> 01:28:10,023
any kind of hostility
or anything,
956
01:28:10,067 --> 01:28:13,679
and I was...
I felt as sad as they did.
957
01:28:13,723 --> 01:28:17,640
And, uh, uh...
958
01:28:17,683 --> 01:28:22,035
But I never felt anything
from any of those guys.
959
01:28:22,079 --> 01:28:27,040
I always felt like...
I don't know, like...
960
01:28:27,084 --> 01:28:30,740
I was, like,
one of them, you know? Yeah.
961
01:28:30,783 --> 01:28:34,483
And-And, uh...
962
01:28:34,526 --> 01:28:39,052
I'm sorry. No, that's okay.
963
01:28:39,096 --> 01:28:43,056
On the evening of July 23, 1967,
964
01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:47,060
the Detroit police busted up an
after-hours blind pig speakeasy...
965
01:28:47,104 --> 01:28:50,934
at the corner of 12th and
Claremount, and all hell broke loose.
966
01:28:50,977 --> 01:28:55,678
The Funk Brothers came out of a
recording session to a city in flames.
967
01:28:55,721 --> 01:28:59,551
Yeah, the sky was red.
Everything was burnin' down.
968
01:28:59,595 --> 01:29:02,728
You'd protect your family.
That's just the way it was.
969
01:29:02,772 --> 01:29:07,994
And I would've gone down for them, even if
it was at the hands of a black brother...
970
01:29:08,038 --> 01:29:10,780
'cause he's invading my territory.
971
01:29:10,823 --> 01:29:14,436
That's just the way I felt. I didn't think
about color. These are my brothers here.
972
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:19,528
So no one had to rally us. It was
just, we have to get from here to the car,
973
01:29:19,571 --> 01:29:22,705
and that was the only thing
we were interested about.
974
01:29:22,748 --> 01:29:25,664
It was our mission to
get our people home safe.
975
01:29:25,708 --> 01:29:28,101
But I also feel
at the same time...
976
01:29:28,145 --> 01:29:30,800
that had the role
been reversed...
977
01:29:30,843 --> 01:29:35,500
and we had been in an area where it
was more predominantly a white area,
978
01:29:35,544 --> 01:29:40,070
and something broke out that I
would've took a bullet for Jack.
979
01:29:40,113 --> 01:29:42,942
I believe it.
I believe it. I would've done the same.
980
01:29:42,986 --> 01:29:47,556
The end of the 1960s found
America watching in horror...
981
01:29:47,599 --> 01:29:52,125
as a daily stream of televised death
came back from the war in Vietnam.
982
01:29:52,169 --> 01:29:55,781
Back on the home front, the
cultural and social revolution...
983
01:29:55,825 --> 01:29:59,698
being waged in the streets was
further polarizing the masses.
984
01:29:59,742 --> 01:30:04,050
Motown played a preeminent role in the cultural
sound track that framed all these events,
985
01:30:04,094 --> 01:30:06,749
and nowhere more so than in Vietnam...
986
01:30:06,792 --> 01:30:09,055
where terrified and disillusioned G.I.'s...
987
01:30:09,099 --> 01:30:12,624
found comfort in the grooves
played by the Funk Brothers...
988
01:30:12,668 --> 01:30:16,149
and in the words and melodies
sung by Motown's stars.
989
01:30:16,193 --> 01:30:19,675
But there was no comforting
refrain down in the Snakepit.
990
01:30:19,718 --> 01:30:22,155
Still reeling from the
death of Benny Benjamin...
991
01:30:22,199 --> 01:30:25,158
and concerned that James
Jamerson's personal demons...
992
01:30:25,202 --> 01:30:27,552
were leading him down the same path,
993
01:30:27,596 --> 01:30:30,816
the Funk Brothers needed a
rallying cry to pull themselves together.
994
01:30:30,860 --> 01:30:34,472
In 1970 they found it in "What's Going On,"
995
01:30:34,516 --> 01:30:38,476
Marvin Gaye's anguished plea
for sanity in a world gone mad.
996
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,913
Helping Marvin realize his vision,
997
01:30:40,957 --> 01:30:43,786
the Funk Brothers elevated
the level of their artistry...
998
01:30:43,829 --> 01:30:46,571
from the dance floor to the world stage.
999
01:34:29,185 --> 01:34:32,318
When Marvin Gaye first
recorded "What's Going On,"
1000
01:34:32,362 --> 01:34:35,713
to us, it was a very important record.
1001
01:34:35,757 --> 01:34:40,152
Musically, we felt that
it was some of our best work.
1002
01:34:40,196 --> 01:34:45,723
It was the first record that Motown ever
given the musicians some credit on an album.
1003
01:34:45,767 --> 01:34:48,726
And little did we know,
you know, we were...
1004
01:34:48,770 --> 01:34:51,816
We were biding our own time.
1005
01:34:53,949 --> 01:34:58,170
But we kept recording
for about another year...
1006
01:34:58,214 --> 01:35:01,347
and that... many more hits
to come, you know.
1007
01:35:01,391 --> 01:35:04,786
So one day...
1008
01:35:04,829 --> 01:35:08,746
we went to the studio
and we were supposed to record.
1009
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:11,880
There was a big sign
on the door saying, uh,
1010
01:35:11,923 --> 01:35:16,928
"There won't be any work here today.
Motown are moving to Los Angeles."
1011
01:35:16,972 --> 01:35:19,757
Wow, what a break.
1012
01:35:19,801 --> 01:35:23,761
I suppose they were just
looking for a new sound,
1013
01:35:23,805 --> 01:35:27,025
I suppose, you know?
1014
01:35:27,069 --> 01:35:30,376
So we just kept doing what we usually
do... what we were doing before Motown...
1015
01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:33,292
And that was playing
in the clubs around the city...
1016
01:35:33,336 --> 01:35:37,122
Playing our blues,
playing our jazz.
1017
01:35:37,166 --> 01:35:39,342
That's just about
the way it ended.
1018
01:35:39,385 --> 01:35:42,040
When Motown left Detroit,
there was no warning,
1019
01:35:42,084 --> 01:35:45,130
no announcement and no way
of preparing for it.
1020
01:35:45,174 --> 01:35:47,437
And that's the move
they had to make.
1021
01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:51,049
A major company doesn't have to explain
to every individual that they're moving.
1022
01:35:51,093 --> 01:35:53,965
But it kind of left all of us kind
of like, "What are we gonna do?"
1023
01:35:54,009 --> 01:35:58,230
The funny thing was we always had
that idea about how it would never end.
1024
01:35:58,274 --> 01:36:02,104
You know, we felt like
it would go on and on and on,
1025
01:36:02,147 --> 01:36:04,889
but as you can see,
it ended.
1026
01:36:04,933 --> 01:36:06,978
Hoping to hold on to their dreams,
1027
01:36:07,022 --> 01:36:10,852
some of the Funk Brothers
followed Motown to Los Angeles.
1028
01:36:10,895 --> 01:36:14,029
But the west coast music
scene was too foreign to them,
1029
01:36:14,072 --> 01:36:16,858
and without the emotional
support the Funk Brothers' family...
1030
01:36:16,901 --> 01:36:20,513
had always provided for
each other, they were lost.
1031
01:36:20,557 --> 01:36:25,388
He missed his friends,
the Funk Brothers.
1032
01:36:25,431 --> 01:36:30,393
Just the atmosphere. It's totally
different in California than Detroit.
1033
01:36:30,436 --> 01:36:34,919
He wasn't getting... receiving
the phone calls like before,
1034
01:36:34,963 --> 01:36:37,835
working in a studio...
Yeah, to work in a studio.
1035
01:36:37,879 --> 01:36:41,883
And... there was
a battle there, you know,
1036
01:36:41,926 --> 01:36:46,539
of emotions and probably
feeling less than a man...
1037
01:36:46,583 --> 01:36:49,238
or less than a dad
to provide for us...
1038
01:36:49,281 --> 01:36:51,849
from what he used to do before.
1039
01:36:51,893 --> 01:36:54,547
I've seen a lot of hurt
and pain and the illness...
1040
01:36:54,591 --> 01:36:57,028
and the struggles
with the alcohol.
1041
01:36:57,072 --> 01:36:59,988
It wasn't going right for him.
He wanted to do everything.
1042
01:37:00,031 --> 01:37:02,860
He's used to doing everything for everyone.
1043
01:37:02,904 --> 01:37:06,951
And then it was his time
where heneeded help,
1044
01:37:06,995 --> 01:37:10,128
and a lot of times
no one was there.
1045
01:37:10,172 --> 01:37:13,392
Or he didn't wanna listen, 'cause
he could be hardheaded too, so...
1046
01:37:13,436 --> 01:37:17,962
In 1983, James Jamerson scalped a ticket...
1047
01:37:18,006 --> 01:37:21,400
for the nationally
televised showMotown 25...
1048
01:37:21,444 --> 01:37:24,403
and slipped into a balcony seat.
1049
01:37:28,190 --> 01:37:32,281
Two months later, he
slipped away... forever.
1050
01:37:49,124 --> 01:37:52,083
Ladies and gentlemen,
it's time to give it up!
1051
01:37:52,127 --> 01:37:54,346
Give up the love...
1052
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:58,437
for Detroit's unsung musical heroes!
1053
01:37:58,481 --> 01:38:01,266
The drum section...
1054
01:38:01,310 --> 01:38:04,617
Uriel Jones and Pistol Allen...
1055
01:38:04,661 --> 01:38:07,925
and the late Benny Benjamin.
1056
01:38:07,969 --> 01:38:11,059
On the vibes and percussion,
1057
01:38:11,102 --> 01:38:15,933
the fabulous tambourine
man, Jack Ashford...
1058
01:38:15,977 --> 01:38:19,937
and the late Bongo Eddie!
1059
01:38:19,981 --> 01:38:23,114
Guitar section...
1060
01:38:23,158 --> 01:38:27,640
The one, none other,
the brother, Eddie Willis,
1061
01:38:27,684 --> 01:38:31,035
Joe Messina...
1062
01:38:31,079 --> 01:38:34,386
and the late Robert White.
1063
01:38:34,430 --> 01:38:39,391
On the keyboards, Joe
Hunter, Johnny Griffith...
1064
01:38:39,435 --> 01:38:43,526
and the late, great
Earl Van Dyke.
1065
01:38:43,569 --> 01:38:47,704
And on bass, Bob Babbitt...
1066
01:38:47,747 --> 01:38:52,622
and the greatest
bass player of all time,
1067
01:38:52,665 --> 01:38:55,668
James Jamerson!
1068
01:38:55,712 --> 01:38:59,150
Here they are.
1069
01:38:59,194 --> 01:39:04,503
Ladies and gentlemen,
the greatest hit machine...
1070
01:39:04,547 --> 01:39:08,333
in music history...
1071
01:39:08,377 --> 01:39:12,990
the... Funk Brothers!
1072
01:40:54,831 --> 01:40:58,791
I think it's very important
for people of my generation...
1073
01:40:58,835 --> 01:41:03,361
to not only know history but to also
experience it and allow it to change them.
1074
01:41:03,405 --> 01:41:07,452
I have so much respect and so much to learn
from these people that came before me.
1075
01:41:07,496 --> 01:41:11,108
The people are great people,
not just great musicians.
1076
01:41:11,152 --> 01:41:13,241
I think that's what I'll carry with me...
1077
01:41:13,284 --> 01:41:16,157
Just being able to
converse and talk to people...
1078
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:21,118
who have done so much
to influence...
1079
01:41:21,162 --> 01:41:24,382
what I do
and what I want to be.
1080
01:41:24,426 --> 01:41:27,777
The people bring the place alive,
and I think that's very important.
1081
01:41:27,820 --> 01:41:31,650
Hitsville wasn't this building. It was
the people that were in the building.
1082
01:41:31,694 --> 01:41:35,176
And I think that's been made very clear.
1083
01:45:28,104 --> 01:45:31,977
We're at the Chit Chat Lounge,
and what a crowd we have here.
1084
01:45:32,021 --> 01:45:35,720
We took our microphones out
to the new Chit Chat Lounge...
1085
01:45:35,764 --> 01:45:39,724
located at 823512th
Street at Virginia Park...
1086
01:45:39,768 --> 01:45:43,641
where we present again Operation Jazz.
1087
01:45:58,787 --> 01:46:02,399
This is Jack Sherell at
the Chit Chat Lounge now,
1088
01:46:02,443 --> 01:46:04,619
and what a crowd we have here.
1089
01:46:04,662 --> 01:46:06,925
We'll be presenting the
James Jamerson Quartet,
1090
01:46:06,969 --> 01:46:09,928
plus our little jam
session and guest stars...
1091
01:46:09,972 --> 01:46:12,453
Guest artists who will be popping in.
1092
01:46:12,496 --> 01:46:14,890
So come on by. We still
have a few more chairs...
1093
01:46:14,933 --> 01:46:17,109
A few more seats, I should say.
1094
01:46:17,153 --> 01:46:19,503
And join in on the fun.
1095
01:46:19,547 --> 01:46:22,985
Now the James Jamerson
Quartet gets things under way nicely.
99739
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