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[tense music]
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[crowd cheering]
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[host]
Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome[inaudible]
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[crowd applauding]
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[host speaks inaudibly]
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[host]
Ladies and gentlemen,
Kai Greene!
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[crowd cheering]
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[crowd screaming inaudibly]
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[Kai]
Sometimes it's hard to remember
everything about yourself
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and put bits and pieces
together, you see glimpses.
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Some you want to rewind.
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Some fast forward.
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And some, you want to forget.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Kai]
I was once a bodybuilder.
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I competed at the highest level
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on the top stages in the world.
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Bodybuilding was
more than a profession.
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It was my calling.
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It was my life.
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For years and decades,
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I competed with the expectation
of being able to do very well.
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However, there are things that
are outside of your control.
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What's up,
bodybuilding sports fans?
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It is 2015.
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and I am of the realization
that I am...
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...not going to be allowed
to compete.
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You don't get to this point...
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...and just stop.
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[sobs]
It doesn't happen like that.
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This is not a movie.
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This is not a movie.
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This is...[inhales]
this is my life.
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[crowd cheering]
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[dramatic music]
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[Kai]
Bodybuilding helped me
recognize my power.
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And recognizing it,
you create anything you wanted,
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even the impossible
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because as sure as I was able
to look in the mirror
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and see myself at 297 pounds.
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There was a time
that wasn't the reality.
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In fact, what it would take
to go from where I started
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and literally have to teach
yourself how to the impossible.
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Because it's always impossible
until you do it.
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[crowd cheers]
Kai! Kai! Kai!
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[inspirational music]
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[lively music]
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[man]
Can everybody stay with me?
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Camera rolling.
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Kai Greene documentary.
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Take one.
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Marker.
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[interviewer]
Who are you? I mean,
how would you describe yourself?
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[dramatic music]
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[Kai]
My name is Kai Greene.
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I'm a professional athlete,
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entrepreneur, painter,
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influencer, aspiring actor
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and now a comic book artist.
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The Chronicles of King Kai
is a story
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that I have been writing
in my head since I was a kid.
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It's more than just a fantasy.
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It represents
the story of my life.
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And I'm finally ready
to share this with the world.
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[interviewer]
But you're most known
as a bodybuilder, correct?
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[Mike]
Kai is a huge name
in bodybuilding.
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He's the people's champ.
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People still talk about him,
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you know, he still has
a big following.
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[Mike]
When Kai burst onto the scene,
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he was a different kind
of bodybuilder.
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Most other bodybuilders
were showing off
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fancy cars and fancy homes.
Kai had none of that.
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When I saw Kai,
I did see a hunger
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that he really wanted
to be something more
than where he was.
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He was just total tunnel vision
of what he was set out to do.
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And I think
he started to realize,
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"I got what it takes
to really be
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one of the best bodybuilders
in the world."
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And he was determined
to be the best in the world.
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[interviewer]
So, Kai, where were you born?
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[Kai]
I was born Leslie Green
in Brooklyn, New York.
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The city was
a different place back then.
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Only the strong
were meant to survive.
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I was raised
without a father and lived
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the early years of my life
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with my biological mother
and younger brother.
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[interviewer]
What is your earliest memory
from your childhood?
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[clicks tongue] Hmm.
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[baby crying]
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[sad music]
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[Kai]
I remember being a little boy
standing there crying
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and remember
my little brother's eyes
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while I watched
my biological parent...
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...fighting with a man
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that was going to be escorted
out of the house in handcuffs.
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That image is still very real
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because there's other times
in my life,
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when I can see the little boy
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crying.
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And then see myself escorted
out of the house...
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...with my hands in handcuffs.
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My biological parent
was very strong...
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...very aggressive,
very aggressive.
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And some people
would say violent.
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Yes. She would hit.
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And she didn't care.
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[Kai's mother
speaking intelligibly]
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You don't have any respect
for your mother.
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[unintelligible]
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[muted]
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[indistinct chatter]
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[papers shuffling]
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[phone ringing]
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I remember once being a little
boy in a police precinct,
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and I remember seeing
a bunch of confusion.
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I hear papers shuffling.
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I don't know where to look.
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Phones are ringing.
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It's still raining.
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So many voices.
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I hear metal on metal,
his handcuffs tighten.
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Someone's trying to talk to us.
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I remember talking
to strange men.
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Of course, now I know
these men were detectives.
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They wanted to see it
for themselves.
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They needed to see.
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See what she'd done.
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Little boy in a police precinct
does have to go to court
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because biological parent
was arrested,
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I would eventually become
the state's star witness
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against my biological mother
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in a child abuse
and neglect case.
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I wish I could look back
on that little boy
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and say he was up
for the challenge.
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Ready to become the master
of his own destiny.
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But he was a kid,
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a kid whose world
was crumbling around him.
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He was scared.
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[glass shattering]
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"I didn't need sons.
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I needed warriors."
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That was the last thing
my mother said to me.
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[gentle sad music continues]
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[Kai]
My mother was very angry,
very upset.
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You wouldn't know at that age
that things are gonna happen
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and you're never gonna
be able to go back.
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And it's never gonna be right.
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But, yeah,
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my brother and I became
a ward of the state.
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Just like the boy
and the police precinct,
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everybody in life has
to find their own direction.
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At some point, you kind
of just have to identify
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for yourself,
"What happens to me?"
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The hero begins to make his way
and save his world.
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[rain pattering]
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[interviewer]
So how did you end up
in the correctional facility?
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[school bell ringing]
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[Kai]
I really didn't see myself
as a tough guy.
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I wasn't one of those kids that
was carrying guns and stuff.
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I was the kid
that had roaches in my house,
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and I was the kid
that didn't want people
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to know I had roaches
in my house.
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And you wish that your...
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...vulnerability wasn't
so clean and easy to see.
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But you can't hide.
You can't run.
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And now,
because it is what it is
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you've got people standing there
want to tease you.
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You get into a lot of fights,
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but you are labeled
a behavior problem in class.
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[tense music]
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[Kai]
There was a task force
that was in the school
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that was trying to do something
about some of the gang activity.
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I carried a knife with me.
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I had gotten into an altercation
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earlier that day
with the teacher,
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and I was accused of assault.
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They asked me if I had a weapon.
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I did hold the knife.
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I was going to be charged
with assault
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and carrying a weapon.
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I can remember
that image of a man
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being led out in handcuffs.
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That image is so real, so real.
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I've seen that in a few times,
but in different ways.
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And the image of a man being
led out in handcuffs.
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It was me.
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I didn't face charges for that.
I just did that going upstate.
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That was my introduction into
institutional facility living.
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Yeah, I discovered
that I was there
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and definitely not, um,
that wasn't the place for me.
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[interviewer]
Were you scared?
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Yes. Which was revealing
of the point
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that I wasn't as tough
as I thought I was. [laughs]
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[suspenseful music]
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[Kai]
When getting into
the institutional facility,
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one thing you did
was you learned
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that you don't laugh
in the beginning,
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because sometimes that will
present itself as weakness
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and you can't expose
any vulnerability at all.
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You don't sing, you don't dance.
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I remember walking
through the gym.
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There were a lot of people
that were playing,
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but then there were these
other area where they weren't.
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They were just six guys,
one of them took off his shirt
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and I noticed
he had a mark on him,
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it looked like a triangle
with circles.
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That's a hurt.
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A hurt with somebody
you did not want to be.
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Somebody that was weak,
somebody that could not fight
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and somebody
that would not fight.
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That mark was a mark
that was described as an iron.
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[steam hissing]
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[Kai]
These guys were held down
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and they dropped
that hot iron... on them.
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But if you ain't able to fight,
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then that can happen to you.
And no matter what happens,
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I will not walk out
of here with a brand.
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Did they try you? Yeah!
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Did you win every fight? No.
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One thing you don't like to do
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is to put yourself in a position
where you are alone,
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because they will try you.
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One day you're doing
a cleaning detail.
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When I first got there,
you didn't even
go to the bathroom.
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I once held my stool,
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for two weeks for fear
of being caught
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in the bathroom alone.
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The floors are painted green
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and the walls
are cold white tiles.
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Then you put
the cleaning agent on
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and you start scrubbing
and singing and...
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...and then the scene
just slowly changes.
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Your singing has distracted you.
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You didn't see it.
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Everything that happens next
will help you understand...
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...how you learn the lessons,
why you don't sing...
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...and why you need
to learn how to fight.
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To do that would
reveal weakness.
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And if you appear weak,
then they will try you
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and though you are
learning how to fight
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and though you are
becoming masterful at it,
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there will be those fights
that you don't...
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...have really, really
awesome way of reporting.
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It'd be hard to you.
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[instrumental sad music]
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[sobbing]
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I struggled to come
to consciousness
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and catch why I am
where I am at.
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Who are they laughing at?
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[Mike]
One of the very first things
I noticed were the scars
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on his face.
I didn't know what it meant.
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[Rodney]
He got into a fight
and they gave him a buck fifty.
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A buck fifty is when they,
you know, they, when they,
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they take a razor blade
and they go from,
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you know, the front of your face
to the back of your head.
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So buck fifty is a hundred
and fifty stitches.
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[Kai]
That's why you need
to learn how to fight.
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Because if you don't,
this would happen more
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as you walk around with
a fucking sign on your back.
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Like, yo, bring
this shit my way.
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And that is not
gonna be tolerated.
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So, yeah, I'mma learn
how to fight, man. I'mma fight.
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I'm gonna keep fighting
and I'mma win.
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[sighs]
'Cause I realize I'm fighting
for a lot more than just...
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[sniffles]
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This is more
than just bragging rights.
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[suspenseful music]
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I did push-ups
any way that I could,
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and I got to a place
where I literally tried to do
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1000 push-ups a night every day.
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I would do push-ups until, like,
I felt like I couldn't move.
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And I didn't just do push-ups.
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I did whatever I could do.
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Whatever I thought.
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I'd do push-ups upside down
if I could,
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I'd hang off the fucking
ceiling if I could.
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I felt like my anger
would consume me,
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like there wasn't a place big
enough on this planet...
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...to hold the rage
that I had in my heart...
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...and I wanted
to kill everything
and every living thing.
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And I'll do these push-ups
and I start to imagine
that I can do better.
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Sometimes I could just get down
and just start doing push-ups.
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[sniffles] I mean,
it's these fucking push-up
because that's all I can do.
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That's all I can fucking do.
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I had to grow up.
and grow up fast.
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I had to leave the boy behind
if I wanted to survive.
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That's when Leslie,
the boy, was left behind.
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My name is Kai.
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I am, Kai.
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[exhales]
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[Kai]
I was afraid I was weak.
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And I needed to be a warrior.
I needed to be stronger.
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One of the ways
you're able to fight
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psychologically was
to look imposing.
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That's how bodybuilding helped.
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It became the thing
that revealed to me
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something very important
about myself.
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[suspenseful music]
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I remember a teacher.
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He complimented
the fact that he saw me
as being very muscular.
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He gave me a book.
It almost was an encyclopedia
of bodybuilding,
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and at that time in my life,
I could not read
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and that book was
a very intimidating book
to be able to hold it.
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It looked like
embracing something
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that was literally
the epitome to me
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of what was impossible.
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It was more than a dream.
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It was a real vision,
a vision that I manifested.
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My destiny was to become
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the best bodybuilder
the world had ever seen.
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Still believing that I could
compete one day,
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I just started doing
what I thought I needed to do
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and that is anything.
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So I knew I was going
to need a diet
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and the food that they gave you
in the institutional facility
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was always soaking
in butter and oil.
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It's grease.
I just thought, "Okay,
what is the way to diet?"
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The bread and water.
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I just feel like
I still grew like that.
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I eat bread and water.
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I had started trying
to learn how to read.
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I kept working out.
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The institution
did not fight me.
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They started to let up
and allow me
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the ability to have my bread,
to have water.
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I had recognized the opportunity
that had available to me,
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the work and effort
that had to go
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into the letter writing
and the campaign
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to get the right powers that be,
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to allow me the privilege
of leaving the facility.
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[gentle piano music]
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[Kai]
I was actually allowed
to go and compete.
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I felt like the world had just
opened up to me...
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...and I stand there
on stage with athletes,
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teenagers that had people
at home vested in
seeing them succeed.
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And then there was you.
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When they announced your name,
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people really didn't
respond very much at all
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because there was nobody
assembled there to come in
to see you.
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There's gonna be no mom, no dad,
there's nobody going to be
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sitting in the audience,
proud of you.
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But you were proud.
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I prepared,
and I prepared, and I prepared,
and I prepared it.
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I saw it in my mind over
and over and over again.
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I had now become... [sniffles]
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...those things
that I dreamed about.
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I wanted to be in a place
where I could...
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[sobs] focus and...
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...really believe
and commit to this idea
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that I could create
my own future and possibility...
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...of becoming something
more than just
this negative statistic
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or this person
that could be locked away
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and I could become... [sniffles]
whatever I said I want,
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even if that ability felt
like it was impossible.
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I can do that.
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I was so excited I've won.
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I've won.
And this seemed like something
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that I could do.
I could do this. [sniffles]
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[indistinct chatter]
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00:21:20,931 --> 00:21:23,020
[traffic humming]
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00:21:42,562 --> 00:21:45,739
[Kai]
Being a bodybuilder,
you are a performer.
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Your job is to reveal
your physique artistically
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and leave people in awe.
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00:21:53,268 --> 00:21:56,706
To me, acting is
a natural progression of that.
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00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,927
It's a craft
I decided to take seriously.
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00:22:00,101 --> 00:22:01,450
[inaudible]
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00:22:01,624 --> 00:22:04,018
Your natural action might,
might be
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00:22:04,192 --> 00:22:06,237
[unintelligible] or fear,
or different emotions.
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00:22:06,412 --> 00:22:08,892
so it just lets you immediately
start make choices...
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[Kai]
But breaking in
and actually getting roles
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is a whole new challenge.
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00:22:14,071 --> 00:22:16,117
[upbeat music]
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00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:20,817
It's got to be that way.
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00:22:21,514 --> 00:22:23,211
-[director] Yeah.
-[man] Yeah.
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[people clapping]
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00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:27,041
[Kai]
The casting agent
might only see me
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as a muscle man
who is trying to act.
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00:22:30,436 --> 00:22:32,612
Being successful
in bodybuilding and social media
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allowed me to open up
a few doors in Hollywood.
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One, two, fight!
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[grunting]
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00:22:44,885 --> 00:22:47,061
[Kai]
I was able to land
a few roles so far.
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Stranger things was my
introduction to this industry.
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00:22:54,808 --> 00:22:55,939
Nice to meet you, Ms. Jane.
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00:22:57,288 --> 00:22:59,421
That led to getting an agent.
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[agent over phone]
Kai, they are basically
guest starring roles.
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00:23:01,728 --> 00:23:03,817
So you would be appearing in it,
I don't know how many times.
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00:23:03,991 --> 00:23:05,862
-What are we looking
at doing today?
-[agent] Regarding the press,
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00:23:06,036 --> 00:23:08,212
we have Huffington Post,
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00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:11,041
according to Annie,
and also, ABC News
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00:23:11,215 --> 00:23:13,740
that is interested
in doing a feature of Kai.
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00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:16,873
[Kai]
And sure, I got
a few people on my side.
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My manager
and my business partners.
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00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:22,531
But things are not always
what they seem.
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00:23:22,705 --> 00:23:25,186
[manager]
Like, who would go on IMDB
to find Kai?
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00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,275
[agent]
Mostly producers and directors.
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00:23:27,449 --> 00:23:28,798
[Kai]
What is Rihanna's star meter?
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00:23:28,972 --> 00:23:31,714
[manager]
Rihanna star meter is 1449.
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00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:34,238
-Oh.
-[manager] And, and Kai's at 61.
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00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:37,503
-[laughter]
-[agent] Google like, let's say
[inaudible] Selena Gomez...
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00:23:37,677 --> 00:23:39,330
[manager]
No, the lower it is, the better.
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00:23:39,983 --> 00:23:41,942
-What?
-[manager] The lower the better.
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00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:43,987
[manager]
So your score is better
than Rihanna's right now.
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00:23:44,161 --> 00:23:45,249
[agent on phone]
Yeah, yeah, hundred percent.
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00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:47,121
-[manager] Yeah.
-[laughs]
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00:23:47,295 --> 00:23:48,383
-Okay.
-[agent on phone laughs]
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00:23:48,557 --> 00:23:49,906
-All right.
-[manager laughs]
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00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,517
[Kai]
I know that if I want to make
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acting into a career,
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I still have to break down
some of those doors
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-and find my place.
-[manager] Like,
who would go on--
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[tape rewinding]
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00:24:03,224 --> 00:24:05,487
[Kai]
After spending
six years upstate,
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00:24:05,661 --> 00:24:07,837
I was finally released
in the big city.
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00:24:08,011 --> 00:24:11,450
And just like that,
I was all alone again.
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00:24:12,233 --> 00:24:15,845
Leaving institutional facility
and finding a way to make do,
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00:24:16,019 --> 00:24:18,021
I just ended up in some
interesting places.
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00:24:18,195 --> 00:24:19,370
He had tough circumstances.
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00:24:19,545 --> 00:24:20,850
I mean, you know,
there are stories
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00:24:21,024 --> 00:24:22,852
where he was basically
living in a gym,
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00:24:23,026 --> 00:24:25,986
eating just cans of tuna
to live on for many years.
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00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,901
He was homeless, man.
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00:24:28,075 --> 00:24:30,164
[Kai]
Moving around
the state with people,
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00:24:30,338 --> 00:24:34,168
having lived in a building
that was condemned.
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00:24:34,342 --> 00:24:36,126
We didn't have electricity.
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00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:38,955
I lived somewhere between the
runaway... [chuckles] shelter,
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00:24:39,129 --> 00:24:41,218
getting a meal in the cafeteria,
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00:24:41,392 --> 00:24:44,221
sleeping on the train and riding
everywhere in New York.
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00:24:44,395 --> 00:24:46,528
[rails clinking]
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00:24:46,702 --> 00:24:49,052
[Kai]
The most frightening time
in my experience
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00:24:49,226 --> 00:24:50,489
is riding the train.
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00:24:51,968 --> 00:24:54,710
[man over radio] We're gonna
twenty eight. Come on,
try it when you're right.
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00:24:55,624 --> 00:24:57,583
[Kai]
I'd heard in the news
about people
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00:24:57,757 --> 00:25:00,368
that were setting people
on fire on the train,
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00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:02,762
the idea of being unconscious
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00:25:02,936 --> 00:25:06,113
and waking up to look
and see a match
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00:25:06,287 --> 00:25:08,550
seconds before you go up
in flames,
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00:25:08,724 --> 00:25:10,421
it really became a nightmare.
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00:25:11,988 --> 00:25:14,687
I started to understand
that I am not safe here.
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00:25:14,861 --> 00:25:17,124
I ended up trying to answer
the question of where to go.
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00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:19,692
What do I do for a living?
And how do I support myself?
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00:25:19,866 --> 00:25:22,651
At sixteen,
I was over two hundred pounds.
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00:25:22,825 --> 00:25:24,958
People would mistake me
for being an adult.
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00:25:25,132 --> 00:25:28,657
And it made it easier
to kind of walk into, like,
448
00:25:29,179 --> 00:25:31,878
situations that you wouldn't
expect for a sixteen year old.
449
00:25:32,835 --> 00:25:36,752
On St Mark's in Astor Place.
There was a runaway shelter.
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00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:41,191
As a teenager,
I remember being very
frustrated and confused.
451
00:25:41,365 --> 00:25:43,672
I think I know everything,
but I really don't.
452
00:25:43,846 --> 00:25:47,241
It turns out the counselor there
introduces you to another guy.
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00:25:47,415 --> 00:25:49,591
Technically, these people
work as scouts.
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00:25:49,765 --> 00:25:51,419
These guys are parasites.
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00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:53,160
They're gonna show you,
like, somethings
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00:25:53,334 --> 00:25:55,423
on the fringes of society.
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00:25:55,597 --> 00:25:58,469
That became the introduction
into like a lot of things.
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00:25:58,644 --> 00:26:00,428
But technically, the dancing.
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00:26:00,602 --> 00:26:03,300
-[electronic music]
-[people cheering]
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00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:06,129
[Kai]
We walked in what looked
like a peep show
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00:26:06,303 --> 00:26:08,697
and it was like, "Hey,
you know, we got this guy,
462
00:26:08,871 --> 00:26:10,656
you know, he just, he just,
he can dance. He's good."
463
00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:11,961
And it's like,
"Oh, he's good. He's with us."
464
00:26:12,135 --> 00:26:13,049
He said, "Can he move?"
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00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:14,007
He said, "Yeah, he can move.
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00:26:14,181 --> 00:26:15,704
[stutters] Well, he will,
467
00:26:15,878 --> 00:26:17,053
he'll make a lot of money here."
That's what he said.
468
00:26:17,227 --> 00:26:19,142
He asked me
did I have a big cock.
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00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,059
I wasn't prepared for that.
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00:26:23,233 --> 00:26:24,321
I was going to go on that night.
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00:26:24,495 --> 00:26:26,759
[suspenseful music]
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00:26:34,636 --> 00:26:38,292
[Kai]
The lights are low
and in front of me.
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00:26:38,466 --> 00:26:40,860
There's a red exit door.
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00:26:41,730 --> 00:26:44,777
And I remember
standing on that stage,
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00:26:44,951 --> 00:26:47,344
and it's now... my turn.
476
00:26:47,518 --> 00:26:48,868
The reality here
is that there's,
477
00:26:49,042 --> 00:26:50,565
there's not a lot of women.
478
00:26:50,739 --> 00:26:52,001
These are men.
479
00:26:52,175 --> 00:26:54,613
You are now the performer
in this show,
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00:26:54,787 --> 00:26:56,179
but you don't know what to do.
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00:26:56,832 --> 00:26:59,008
[Rodney]
I started stripping at 21,
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00:26:59,182 --> 00:27:01,707
for the same reason
he started stripping, money.
483
00:27:01,881 --> 00:27:03,752
But you know the consequences.
484
00:27:03,926 --> 00:27:05,493
So when a man decides
he wants to strip,
485
00:27:05,667 --> 00:27:07,451
that is a calculated choice.
486
00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,237
Most of the guys that were
in shape in the gyms did it.
487
00:27:10,411 --> 00:27:12,152
It wasn't frowned upon.
488
00:27:12,326 --> 00:27:15,416
But they do it because they have
to make ends meet, to compete.
489
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:18,158
[George]
Listen, it's tough, man.
Our sports not cheap.
490
00:27:18,854 --> 00:27:21,248
I remember seeing myself
evolve into,
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00:27:21,422 --> 00:27:22,858
you know, headline dancer.
492
00:27:23,511 --> 00:27:24,643
That's me.
493
00:27:25,382 --> 00:27:28,168
Wet, seduction, the slayer.
494
00:27:28,342 --> 00:27:29,822
That's my name.
495
00:27:29,996 --> 00:27:31,650
And male exotic entertainment...
496
00:27:32,825 --> 00:27:33,956
...well, that's my game.
497
00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:36,524
They love me.
498
00:27:36,698 --> 00:27:37,568
The shame...
499
00:27:39,483 --> 00:27:40,571
...the pain.
500
00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:43,705
...I let them go
a long time ago.
501
00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:45,968
I don't need
502
00:27:46,621 --> 00:27:48,754
to make anyone proud of me.
503
00:27:48,928 --> 00:27:51,278
I discovered
that I was very easily seduced
504
00:27:51,452 --> 00:27:52,801
by the applause
from the audience,
505
00:27:52,975 --> 00:27:54,324
and the approval
of the audience.
506
00:27:54,498 --> 00:27:56,239
I could thrive on it.
507
00:27:56,849 --> 00:27:59,765
And you work and you do that
while you still
508
00:27:59,939 --> 00:28:02,028
continue to develop yourself
as an athlete.
509
00:28:02,202 --> 00:28:04,595
You have to get
the experience to learn
how to compete successfully.
510
00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:06,510
You can only do that
by just doing it.
511
00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:09,905
it's not uncommon
to find that you can,
512
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,561
you know,
compete in the hundreds of shows
513
00:28:13,735 --> 00:28:15,955
in ten years, you know,
514
00:28:16,129 --> 00:28:17,783
in an effort
to still figure things out.
515
00:28:18,609 --> 00:28:20,394
So I got a chance
to start competing.
516
00:28:20,568 --> 00:28:23,136
I competed in a lot
of different organizations.
517
00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:26,182
The harder I work,
the more development I saw.
518
00:28:26,356 --> 00:28:27,880
But still,
I had a long way to go.
519
00:28:28,358 --> 00:28:30,056
[host]
Pink is Rick McMillan.
520
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:32,362
[Kai]
I began competing with the NPC,
521
00:28:32,536 --> 00:28:34,277
the National Physique Committee,
522
00:28:34,451 --> 00:28:36,671
the most prestigious
amateur organization,
523
00:28:36,845 --> 00:28:40,501
because it allowed a path
to advance to the pro level
524
00:28:40,675 --> 00:28:42,982
and join the elite group
of bodybuilders.
525
00:28:43,591 --> 00:28:47,203
[Rich]
Kai made that transition knowing
that the only path of success
526
00:28:47,377 --> 00:28:50,641
in bodybuilding was to get
to the IFBB to eventually
get to the Olympia.
527
00:28:50,816 --> 00:28:54,863
He made that move from going
from a smaller organization
to a bigger organization.
528
00:28:55,037 --> 00:28:57,344
And that was the biggest
organization in the world.
529
00:28:57,518 --> 00:29:00,913
It was the IFBB, but you had
to earn your right to compete
530
00:29:01,087 --> 00:29:03,437
and give you Pro Card back,
but then you had to get one.
531
00:29:04,003 --> 00:29:07,093
Getting a pro card
from the International
Federation of Bodybuilding,
532
00:29:07,267 --> 00:29:10,966
aka the IFBB was a top honor.
533
00:29:11,619 --> 00:29:14,361
This meant that you are now
a professional athlete.
534
00:29:14,535 --> 00:29:17,581
[gentle music]
535
00:29:20,541 --> 00:29:23,500
[Rich]
Many bodybuilders,
they do chase their Pro Card,
536
00:29:23,674 --> 00:29:25,589
and some bodybuilders
either give up.
537
00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:29,811
Into the '90s and into 2000,
it became a lot more difficult
538
00:29:29,985 --> 00:29:32,858
'cause the competition
was just much more intense.
539
00:29:33,032 --> 00:29:35,991
To learn about Kai
having difficulties
540
00:29:36,165 --> 00:29:37,558
in getting his Pro Card,
541
00:29:37,732 --> 00:29:39,865
taking many years
to get the Pro Card,
542
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:41,518
showed he had
that champion mentality
543
00:29:41,692 --> 00:29:42,693
and wasn't going to give up.
544
00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:45,131
[sad music]
545
00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:47,176
[Kai]
When I finally got
my Pro Card,
546
00:29:47,742 --> 00:29:49,613
it felt euphoric.
547
00:29:50,484 --> 00:29:54,836
I felt like
I had accomplished something
that I have manifested.
548
00:29:55,402 --> 00:29:58,884
But in reality,
my journey was just beginning.
549
00:30:01,451 --> 00:30:03,236
I wanted to compete
and I wanted to win.
550
00:30:04,454 --> 00:30:06,935
I remember being willing
to do more work
551
00:30:07,109 --> 00:30:09,677
than anybody else would
be willing to do.
552
00:30:10,721 --> 00:30:13,072
Nothing was going to stop me
from trying to get this.
553
00:30:13,246 --> 00:30:15,552
I'd do whatever it was
that I thought I needed to do
554
00:30:15,726 --> 00:30:17,467
in order to win.
555
00:30:20,514 --> 00:30:23,299
Before I could even think
of winning the top title,
556
00:30:23,473 --> 00:30:26,476
I had to face some
of the best pro bodybuilders
557
00:30:26,650 --> 00:30:28,739
that were also coming up
at that time.
558
00:30:29,218 --> 00:30:32,004
All were hungry,
all had great genetics
559
00:30:32,178 --> 00:30:34,441
and all worked hard.
560
00:30:35,529 --> 00:30:37,313
But there was one guy.
561
00:30:37,792 --> 00:30:39,925
He got his Pro Card
a year after me.
562
00:30:40,751 --> 00:30:43,058
Instantly, people took notice.
563
00:30:43,885 --> 00:30:48,629
The whole industry saw
he was truly gifted...
564
00:30:49,369 --> 00:30:51,327
...and was destined
to move up the ranks.
565
00:30:51,501 --> 00:30:54,156
[drums beating]
566
00:30:58,291 --> 00:31:00,467
[dial tone]
567
00:31:03,078 --> 00:31:04,253
[agent over phone]
How you doing?
568
00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:05,864
[Kai]
I'm good, man. How are you?
569
00:31:06,038 --> 00:31:08,257
[agent on phone]
I'm good. I'm good. I hear, uh,
570
00:31:08,431 --> 00:31:11,565
you've been getting
some interesting offers
571
00:31:11,739 --> 00:31:14,176
[Kai]
Remember, I've mentioned that
I have a Hollywood agent now.
572
00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:17,658
I've been pushing him
to lock in film and TV roles
573
00:31:17,832 --> 00:31:20,313
in the US, but it's been slow.
574
00:31:20,487 --> 00:31:22,619
I'm, however,
getting offers overseas.
575
00:31:22,793 --> 00:31:24,795
[agent on phone]
You know, I don't know
if you should be taking
576
00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:26,885
these roles overseas
to be honest.
577
00:31:27,059 --> 00:31:30,584
I don't know if that's the right
choice for you right now.
578
00:31:30,758 --> 00:31:34,501
[Kai]
Okay. All right.
I, I, I... Okay.
579
00:31:34,675 --> 00:31:36,633
-[agent] Just mull it over,
think about it and...
-Yeah.
580
00:31:36,807 --> 00:31:39,332
...and, um, you know,
we'll circle back to it,
581
00:31:39,506 --> 00:31:41,725
and, and, uh, I think...
582
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:43,684
[Kai]
I have a decision to make.
583
00:31:43,858 --> 00:31:47,122
Do I stay
and keep waiting for offers...
584
00:31:47,688 --> 00:31:49,472
...or go where people
want to see me
585
00:31:49,646 --> 00:31:51,474
and give me more opportunities?
586
00:31:51,648 --> 00:31:54,695
-[agent] ...as always.
-Hey, likewise. Thanks again.
587
00:31:55,304 --> 00:31:57,524
-All right.
-Let's just keep it working.
All right.
588
00:32:04,139 --> 00:32:06,925
[funky music]
589
00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:10,145
[people speaking inaudibly]
590
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:13,061
[Kai]
Despite my agents wishes,
I went to India
591
00:32:13,235 --> 00:32:15,498
to shoot the movie
calledPogaru.
592
00:32:15,672 --> 00:32:17,413
It was a much needed experience
593
00:32:17,587 --> 00:32:20,416
to further my acting
and to work with a crew.
594
00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:22,766
No grab. no grab...
595
00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:25,160
Acting is about
finding your strength.
596
00:32:25,334 --> 00:32:27,858
like bodybuilding,
sculpting a character.
597
00:32:28,772 --> 00:32:30,209
[man speaking unintelligibly]
598
00:32:30,383 --> 00:32:31,253
Hello.
599
00:32:34,561 --> 00:32:37,912
[Kai]
The following year,
Pogaru would open in theaters
600
00:32:38,086 --> 00:32:40,567
in the number one spot
all over India.
601
00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:45,267
[director]
Action! [unintelligible]
602
00:32:46,921 --> 00:32:49,750
[Kai]
I've been playing and creating
roles my entire life.
603
00:32:50,446 --> 00:32:52,579
Even the persona of Kai Greene,
604
00:32:52,753 --> 00:32:56,539
was built
on the necessity of survival.
605
00:32:57,671 --> 00:33:00,848
It was the role of a warrior
who continued to fight.
606
00:33:01,631 --> 00:33:02,850
[grunting]
607
00:33:06,419 --> 00:33:09,639
[men speaking
unintelligibly over TV]
608
00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:13,556
[tape rewinding]
609
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:16,211
[rails clinking]
610
00:33:16,385 --> 00:33:18,431
[electronic music]
611
00:33:18,605 --> 00:33:20,999
[Kai]
I was still dancing.
It didn't always go so well.
612
00:33:21,173 --> 00:33:24,437
I had just had a not
so extraordinary performance,
613
00:33:24,611 --> 00:33:26,787
but I did make a whole lot
of tips that night.
614
00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:28,180
So at the end of the day,
615
00:33:28,354 --> 00:33:29,703
you came
in a fifty dollar deficit.
616
00:33:29,877 --> 00:33:31,661
Translation.
I made no money that night.
617
00:33:31,835 --> 00:33:34,360
This was serious.
If we didn't dance,
we don't eat.
618
00:33:34,534 --> 00:33:36,275
The gentleman comes up to me
and he gives me a business card.
619
00:33:36,449 --> 00:33:40,322
He says, um, "I'd like
to book you to perform,
620
00:33:40,496 --> 00:33:42,846
Do your same show.
But I just want to film it."
621
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,414
And he said what he'd paid,
and I'm thinking... [gasps]
622
00:33:45,588 --> 00:33:47,460
Meanwhile, inside I'm already
doing a happy dancing,
praising God.
623
00:33:47,634 --> 00:33:49,636
I'm thinking, this is,
this is, this is great.
624
00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:52,378
I performed the act
and then I finish,
625
00:33:52,552 --> 00:33:54,554
and, yeah, I bring her out.
626
00:33:54,728 --> 00:33:56,817
You know who she is. She's,
627
00:33:56,991 --> 00:33:59,733
well, the whole world got
a chance to meet her.
628
00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:01,213
Um, it was a grapefruit.
629
00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:07,349
I performed, I got paid
and that was like the beginning
630
00:34:07,523 --> 00:34:10,700
of doing a couple of videos.
631
00:34:10,874 --> 00:34:12,702
There was some controversy
there, all about,
632
00:34:12,876 --> 00:34:15,270
uh, you know, some of that porn.
633
00:34:15,444 --> 00:34:18,621
[Rodney]
Listen, you saw him
do something funny.
634
00:34:18,795 --> 00:34:21,798
simulated, like a magician does
something you thought you saw,
635
00:34:21,972 --> 00:34:24,627
but he never did
anything triple X.
636
00:34:25,541 --> 00:34:28,153
I would define them
as almost like Playboy rated,
637
00:34:28,327 --> 00:34:30,198
one X, he needed money.
638
00:34:30,372 --> 00:34:31,982
[interviewer]
Did you think
that these recordings
639
00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:34,115
would come back
to hurt Kai later?
640
00:34:34,289 --> 00:34:35,595
I didn't want to see
it bother him,
641
00:34:35,769 --> 00:34:36,987
but I told him
that was going to happen.
642
00:34:37,162 --> 00:34:38,902
It didn't take much
to understand
643
00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,035
that they're
gonna mess with you.
644
00:34:42,471 --> 00:34:44,952
[gentle music]
645
00:34:45,126 --> 00:34:48,042
[Kai]
You're really still like
crawling through the weeds,
646
00:34:48,216 --> 00:34:50,305
trying to get yourself
on the radar.
647
00:34:50,479 --> 00:34:52,177
I continued to work.
I still danced.
648
00:34:52,351 --> 00:34:54,266
I trained, like,
six hours a day.
649
00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:57,834
You really were just starting
from scratch all over again.
650
00:34:58,008 --> 00:35:00,098
A small fish in a huge ocean.
651
00:35:00,272 --> 00:35:03,797
My pro career hadn't exactly
gotten off to a great start.
652
00:35:03,971 --> 00:35:06,756
I did a few competitions
and placed dead last.
653
00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:09,498
Those were real
learning experiences.
654
00:35:10,456 --> 00:35:14,721
I think my breakout show
was the Colorado Pro 2006.
655
00:35:18,725 --> 00:35:20,596
Rodney St. Cloud
had approached me
656
00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:23,730
about doing a posing routine
together on stage.
657
00:35:23,904 --> 00:35:26,689
There was
a ten thousand dollar prize
658
00:35:26,863 --> 00:35:29,866
up for the best posing routine
659
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,002
because Rodney and I
had been crossing paths
in the dance game.
660
00:35:35,176 --> 00:35:39,006
He had said to me, we
should definitely do a set.
661
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:40,442
[Rich]
Posing is critical.
662
00:35:40,616 --> 00:35:42,531
It is one
of the most grueling things.
663
00:35:42,705 --> 00:35:44,881
When you present yourself
on stage,
664
00:35:45,055 --> 00:35:47,754
you have to be able to show
that you are having fun.
665
00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:49,321
And if you don't practice that,
666
00:35:49,495 --> 00:35:51,018
you look like
you're straining the whole time.
667
00:35:51,192 --> 00:35:53,847
And looking at the way
Kai would pose,
668
00:35:54,021 --> 00:35:56,197
you would know
that he did hours and hours
669
00:35:56,371 --> 00:35:58,721
of practicing
the posing routine.
670
00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:02,116
Rodney had made the top six
in that show.
671
00:36:02,290 --> 00:36:04,684
So after the prejudging,
he was told
672
00:36:04,858 --> 00:36:06,599
to leave
that monkey shit to Kai to do.
673
00:36:06,773 --> 00:36:07,730
That broke his heart.
674
00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:10,168
Pissed me f-- off, man.
675
00:36:10,342 --> 00:36:11,995
So I told Kai,
"Listen, you do the routine.
676
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:13,171
You're better than me.
677
00:36:13,345 --> 00:36:15,303
[crowd cheering and applauding]
678
00:36:15,477 --> 00:36:17,784
[lively music]
679
00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:22,223
[Jerry]
So if you watch Kai's
posing routine,
680
00:36:22,397 --> 00:36:25,357
to say it's artistic would be
putting it mildly.
681
00:36:25,531 --> 00:36:27,446
It's almost like
he's dancing on stage,
682
00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:30,013
and I've seen him come out
with masks on
and stuff like that.
683
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:32,538
He's out to not only
display his muscles,
684
00:36:32,712 --> 00:36:34,583
but he's trying
to entertain the audience.
685
00:36:34,757 --> 00:36:38,021
What is bodybuilding
if it's not presentation
and entertainment.
686
00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:40,850
Kai entertains, Kai performed.
687
00:36:41,024 --> 00:36:43,244
It was just so different
688
00:36:43,418 --> 00:36:45,638
than mostly other routines
you had seen.
689
00:36:45,812 --> 00:36:47,988
I mean, he just, you know,
he utilizes the whole floor.
690
00:36:48,162 --> 00:36:50,120
He's very theatrical.
691
00:36:50,295 --> 00:36:52,732
Kai sit down,
actually, before the show,
692
00:36:52,906 --> 00:36:55,169
and he'd draw every move
he's gonna do and stuff.
693
00:36:55,343 --> 00:36:57,302
[Rich]
He would wow the audience
694
00:36:57,476 --> 00:36:59,695
doing stuff
that you've never seen.
695
00:36:59,869 --> 00:37:03,395
and actually, he used poses
that he did in stripping
696
00:37:03,569 --> 00:37:05,266
and used it in bodybuilding.
697
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,573
[Kai]
Long story short,
I did my routine,
698
00:37:07,747 --> 00:37:11,968
Roddy did his routine,
and Kai Greene got a check
for 10000 dollars
699
00:37:12,142 --> 00:37:14,493
and we won the best poser award.
700
00:37:14,667 --> 00:37:19,454
And that best posing routine
was the beginning of,
701
00:37:19,628 --> 00:37:21,891
"You'll see a lot
of other things happen."
702
00:37:22,588 --> 00:37:25,243
[man]
He took that ten grand.
Then he bought the food
703
00:37:25,417 --> 00:37:26,635
and he did what he had to do.
704
00:37:26,809 --> 00:37:28,376
He won the money
and he still shared
705
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:30,422
the prize money with me,
and I will never forget that.
706
00:37:30,596 --> 00:37:32,337
[Kai]
It would just so happened
that my path
707
00:37:32,511 --> 00:37:35,078
would cross with this guy's path
708
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:36,732
with the bald head
and the round muscles.
709
00:37:36,906 --> 00:37:38,865
And even then,
I didn't understand
710
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,520
just how significant
a personality
711
00:37:41,694 --> 00:37:44,218
and character he was going
to become in my life
712
00:37:44,392 --> 00:37:45,959
and in my career.
713
00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:47,265
Phil was already claiming off.
714
00:37:47,439 --> 00:37:48,701
Phil already had the contracts
715
00:37:48,875 --> 00:37:50,311
that people wait five,
ten years for.
716
00:37:50,485 --> 00:37:51,747
Phil had it off the bat.
717
00:37:51,921 --> 00:37:53,749
[Gerard]
At the time, nobody was even
718
00:37:53,923 --> 00:37:55,751
really thinking
about Phil Heath.
719
00:37:55,925 --> 00:37:57,492
Then all of a sudden,
this guy comes to the scene
720
00:37:57,666 --> 00:37:59,973
and he's mixing things up
pretty fast and pretty quick.
721
00:38:00,147 --> 00:38:02,497
So it's almost like maybe
somebody's pros were like,
"Hey, wait a minute.
722
00:38:02,671 --> 00:38:04,151
This kid doesn't
belong here yet."
723
00:38:04,325 --> 00:38:05,892
But in fact he did
724
00:38:06,066 --> 00:38:08,111
because his body was,
you know, he was that good
725
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:11,593
Phil's phenomenal.
I mean, he's called The Gift
for a reason.
726
00:38:11,767 --> 00:38:14,596
[George]
You know why he's The Gift?
Because the guy's just
727
00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:16,598
so pretty to look at.
He got everything.
728
00:38:16,772 --> 00:38:19,079
[Rich]
When you look at Phil,
he's genetically gifted
729
00:38:19,253 --> 00:38:22,387
as he had that small waist
and wide shoulders.
730
00:38:22,561 --> 00:38:23,953
He was totally balanced,
you know,
731
00:38:24,127 --> 00:38:25,651
between his upper body,
his lower body,
732
00:38:25,825 --> 00:38:28,001
he had the muscles
that were like
733
00:38:28,175 --> 00:38:31,091
almost bulbous, you know,
they popped, so on stage,
734
00:38:31,265 --> 00:38:32,701
he was very impressive.
735
00:38:32,875 --> 00:38:35,269
When I saw Phil Heath
win that show,
736
00:38:35,443 --> 00:38:37,402
I said, here's
the next Mr. Olympia.
737
00:38:37,576 --> 00:38:40,274
Phil Heath, the guy
with the bald head
and the round muscles.
738
00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:43,625
He actually placed first
at that show.
739
00:38:43,799 --> 00:38:47,412
And Kai Greene,
the guy doing the monkey shit
740
00:38:47,586 --> 00:38:49,414
Kai Greene placed fourteen.
741
00:38:49,588 --> 00:38:51,720
[interviewer]
Phil Heath interview.
Take one.
742
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,680
You know what,
if he was sitting right here,
743
00:38:54,854 --> 00:38:56,986
which, he ain't coming, right?
No. [laughs]
744
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,989
That show in particular,
I think there's a lot of guys
745
00:39:00,163 --> 00:39:03,384
that, in my opinion,
were like the same.
746
00:39:03,558 --> 00:39:05,168
So I don't feel like he was
lacking that much.
747
00:39:05,343 --> 00:39:07,170
I actually feel like
he just was lacking
748
00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:09,303
maybe some harder muscles.
749
00:39:09,869 --> 00:39:12,088
Um, and that could have been
just a prep thing.
750
00:39:12,262 --> 00:39:15,527
I do feel that it was more
about his size.
751
00:39:15,701 --> 00:39:19,966
Kai was natural
at the 2006 Colorado.
752
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:22,142
So strategically,
have you got a guy
753
00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:24,144
that's natural looking
like this?
754
00:39:24,927 --> 00:39:27,365
And this guy is pushing
his... [chuckles]
755
00:39:27,539 --> 00:39:28,931
...pushing his regimen
beyond belief.
756
00:39:29,105 --> 00:39:32,108
If he gets what you got,
he's going to beat you.
757
00:39:32,282 --> 00:39:35,111
[Kai] I think that was
the last time I was going to be
placed at that low at a show.
758
00:39:35,285 --> 00:39:39,507
I was very, very,
very clear about knowing
that you can work very hard
759
00:39:39,681 --> 00:39:44,077
and you don't want to work
to be the last guy on the stage.
760
00:39:44,251 --> 00:39:47,341
[gentle piano music]
761
00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:53,216
[Kai]
After placing last over
and over again,
762
00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:55,697
I had to make
some tough decisions.
763
00:39:56,306 --> 00:39:58,134
I had to do what I had to do.
764
00:39:59,005 --> 00:40:00,441
I had to improve.
765
00:40:01,703 --> 00:40:03,531
I had to chase that wind
766
00:40:03,705 --> 00:40:06,273
whatever it took
to get the qualification
767
00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:07,753
for the Olympia.
768
00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:12,497
Ronnie Coleman and Jay Cutler
were ruling the Olympia stage.
769
00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:15,543
In order for me
to stand close to them,
770
00:40:16,065 --> 00:40:18,807
I had to get bigger
and more defined.
771
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:21,157
Part of the improvement
that was required
772
00:40:21,331 --> 00:40:24,247
in order to move up in the ranks
would be to put on more size.
773
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:26,641
If you were not a certain size,
774
00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:29,731
you weren't identified
as being pro-caliber yet.
775
00:40:29,905 --> 00:40:31,167
I didn't drink. I didn't smoke.
776
00:40:31,341 --> 00:40:33,779
I maintained
a drug-free lifestyle.
777
00:40:34,257 --> 00:40:36,129
I never wanted to take steroids.
778
00:40:36,303 --> 00:40:39,741
Being unenhanced
was important to me,
779
00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:41,526
at least at that point
in my life.
780
00:40:42,352 --> 00:40:44,267
But I wanted to become
a really good athlete.
781
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,095
I would spend a lot of time
782
00:40:46,269 --> 00:40:47,836
in doing whatever I could do
783
00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:50,752
to discover more information
about that.
784
00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:56,366
And, uh,
I began to seek out the support
785
00:40:56,541 --> 00:40:58,891
and wisdom from an old friend.
786
00:40:59,065 --> 00:41:00,936
that from what I understood
787
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:04,679
had a much clearer
and diversified understanding
788
00:41:04,853 --> 00:41:06,507
of the dark arts.
789
00:41:08,117 --> 00:41:09,554
I had to do what I had to do.
790
00:41:10,772 --> 00:41:13,732
[Mike] I think he tried to take
natural as far as he could,
but there comes a point
791
00:41:13,906 --> 00:41:15,951
where, when to be
the greatest of all time,
792
00:41:16,125 --> 00:41:18,563
you've got to take some risks
and he began to take his risks
793
00:41:18,737 --> 00:41:20,042
and like everyone does.
794
00:41:20,216 --> 00:41:21,740
There shouldn't be
a stigma attached to it,
795
00:41:21,914 --> 00:41:24,351
but because there is
many bodybuilders hold that
796
00:41:24,525 --> 00:41:26,266
close to the vest
and they won't talk about it,
797
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,964
even though we understand
that's a necessary part
798
00:41:29,138 --> 00:41:31,097
of taking your body
beyond its natural limits.
799
00:41:31,271 --> 00:41:32,881
It's what bodybuilding is.
800
00:41:33,055 --> 00:41:36,058
You need to have
the regimen on deck.
801
00:41:36,232 --> 00:41:39,366
And again, I'm sorry to crush
your dreams or whatever.
802
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:41,324
Your regiment is so extreme
803
00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:44,893
that 99% of the people
watching this have no clue.
804
00:41:45,807 --> 00:41:48,593
To be straight up, his career
shifted like everyone knew
805
00:41:48,767 --> 00:41:49,985
when he started
taking something.
806
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:51,509
[laughs] It was just
a matter of time.
807
00:41:54,076 --> 00:41:56,818
[dramatic music]
808
00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:02,084
[Kai]
I needed to do more work
if I wanted to win
809
00:42:02,258 --> 00:42:04,217
in and out of the gym.
810
00:42:05,392 --> 00:42:08,264
I was willing to train
until my muscles burst.
811
00:42:08,438 --> 00:42:09,788
The Olympia was my dream...
812
00:42:10,832 --> 00:42:12,704
...and I was chasing it.
813
00:42:13,182 --> 00:42:15,620
[dramatic music]
814
00:42:22,191 --> 00:42:24,019
[Kai]
I spent a lot of years training
815
00:42:24,193 --> 00:42:26,500
and eventually I became
more successful
816
00:42:26,674 --> 00:42:29,590
and capable of climbing
to the next rung.
817
00:42:29,764 --> 00:42:31,897
That was on Arnold Classic.
818
00:42:39,731 --> 00:42:41,907
[gentle piano music]
819
00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:50,829
[Kai]
In 2009, I was invited to
compete at the Arnold Classic.
820
00:42:51,003 --> 00:42:53,396
Appearing on this stage
is an honor.
821
00:42:53,571 --> 00:42:56,225
But I didn't come here
to make an appearance.
822
00:42:57,052 --> 00:42:58,880
I came to fight.
823
00:43:00,621 --> 00:43:02,841
The Olympia was like
the Super Bowl,
824
00:43:03,015 --> 00:43:04,494
and there was nothing
higher than that.
825
00:43:04,669 --> 00:43:08,716
The Arnold Classic
was the necessary step
826
00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:10,631
towards winning the Olympia.
827
00:43:10,805 --> 00:43:14,200
That was the beginning
of being Mr. Olympia.
828
00:43:14,722 --> 00:43:17,856
Once you won the Arnold,
you are pretty much
open for the Olympia.
829
00:43:18,030 --> 00:43:21,686
The Arnold Classic was
the premiere show opportunity
830
00:43:21,860 --> 00:43:25,603
that represented
and carried the name
of Arnold Schwarzenegger.
831
00:43:25,777 --> 00:43:27,692
To compete
at the Arnold Classic...
832
00:43:28,388 --> 00:43:30,346
...it was by invitation only.
833
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,697
[dramatic music]
834
00:43:34,568 --> 00:43:37,745
[crowd cheering]
835
00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:47,015
[Kai]
I worked hard, but there was
always a sheer of doubt,
836
00:43:47,189 --> 00:43:51,280
And that was because
Victor Martinez,
the Dominican Dominator,
837
00:43:51,454 --> 00:43:53,587
said that he was coming
into that show.
838
00:43:54,066 --> 00:43:57,722
[Gerard] People had really
predicted that Victor was going
to be the next Olympia.
839
00:43:57,896 --> 00:43:59,549
So Victor was
on that trajectory.
840
00:43:59,724 --> 00:44:01,551
So then here comes Kai.
841
00:44:01,726 --> 00:44:04,642
[Victor]
Showtime comes. I'm looking
at a branch, you know?
842
00:44:04,816 --> 00:44:07,296
And then there's Kai.
My man looked cut off for me.
843
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:09,647
Kai is Kai, man.
Kai has always been a threat.
844
00:44:09,821 --> 00:44:12,737
I never looked that Kai lightly.
I knew Kai was great.
845
00:44:13,215 --> 00:44:16,001
[dramatic music playing]
846
00:44:16,175 --> 00:44:18,786
[crowd cheering]
847
00:44:29,971 --> 00:44:31,799
[Victor]
I was the favorite,
but the thing is
848
00:44:31,973 --> 00:44:35,368
he did everything so precise
849
00:44:35,542 --> 00:44:38,806
he steps out, and there
was just what bodybuilding
850
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:40,808
should be
and it was always different.
851
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:44,290
[Rich]
If you look at Kai's
conditioning for that 2009,
852
00:44:44,464 --> 00:44:45,987
it was pretty impressive.
853
00:44:46,161 --> 00:44:48,033
I mean, he was pretty peeled.
854
00:44:48,207 --> 00:44:51,471
He was just in phenomenal shape,
he wowed the audience.
855
00:44:51,645 --> 00:44:54,517
He did everything that was
needed to win that show,
856
00:44:54,692 --> 00:44:57,651
and then his presentation
was so spectacular.
857
00:44:57,825 --> 00:45:01,307
It was icing on the cake,
and that's where you noticed.
"Who is this guy?"
858
00:45:02,177 --> 00:45:03,831
[host]
Let's bring out our top six.
859
00:45:04,005 --> 00:45:06,268
[crowd cheering and applauding]
860
00:45:06,878 --> 00:45:08,793
[Kai]
As the judges announce
the places,
861
00:45:08,967 --> 00:45:10,969
you want to be
the last man standing.
862
00:45:11,926 --> 00:45:14,973
But it's nerve racking,
and it feels like time stops
863
00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:18,019
as they call the names,
one by one.
864
00:45:19,194 --> 00:45:20,761
They get to fifth place...
865
00:45:21,501 --> 00:45:23,982
...fourth place
and it's not you.
866
00:45:24,156 --> 00:45:25,984
[host speaking inaudibly]
867
00:45:26,158 --> 00:45:27,376
[Kai]
You're still standing.
868
00:45:28,247 --> 00:45:31,163
And then... there are two left.
869
00:45:32,991 --> 00:45:35,950
[Victor]
I think it was just the pain
that that he just went through.
870
00:45:36,124 --> 00:45:39,345
I think he put his guts
on this one, man.
871
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:43,262
When Kai came out, I'm like,
"Psst, Oh, no, Kai got it."
872
00:45:43,436 --> 00:45:44,567
[laughs]
873
00:45:45,873 --> 00:45:48,310
[Kai]
When they announced my name
in the first place,
874
00:45:48,484 --> 00:45:50,269
it took a minute to say again.
875
00:45:50,443 --> 00:45:53,402
[host]
The 2009,
Arnold classic champion,
876
00:45:53,576 --> 00:45:55,665
-Kai Greene.
-[crowd cheers]
877
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,320
[Kai]
I was now
the Arnold classic champion.
878
00:45:58,494 --> 00:45:59,669
I did this.
879
00:46:00,279 --> 00:46:02,542
[gentle piano music]
880
00:46:03,456 --> 00:46:05,284
[Kai]
I worked my ass off...
881
00:46:06,111 --> 00:46:08,330
...and I got the win.
882
00:46:11,594 --> 00:46:15,424
I got my prize money
and I got my respect.
883
00:46:15,598 --> 00:46:17,600
I was a pro
884
00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:20,516
with a major win and...
885
00:46:21,126 --> 00:46:22,910
...and Olympia qualification.
886
00:46:23,084 --> 00:46:26,131
[Rich]
I definitely think
that the Arnold Classic win
887
00:46:26,305 --> 00:46:28,611
for Kai was a pivotal moment
in his career
888
00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:30,700
and winning the Arnold Classic,
889
00:46:30,875 --> 00:46:34,182
you're normally destined
to be able to be the top three
890
00:46:34,356 --> 00:46:35,923
or winner of the Mr. Olympia.
891
00:46:36,097 --> 00:46:38,360
[crowd cheering]
892
00:46:52,722 --> 00:46:54,986
[background chatter]
893
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,639
Good morning,
894
00:46:57,466 --> 00:46:58,859
What's up? What's up?
895
00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:00,643
What's up, big man?
How's everything?
896
00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:02,732
The Arnold Classic
Sports festival.
897
00:47:03,385 --> 00:47:04,647
I used to compete here.
898
00:47:05,605 --> 00:47:07,433
[man]
We're getting photos here.
899
00:47:09,130 --> 00:47:11,045
[Kai]
Now I return here
as an influencer.
900
00:47:11,219 --> 00:47:13,178
Even though I don't compete,
901
00:47:13,352 --> 00:47:15,528
people seem happy to see me.
902
00:47:15,702 --> 00:47:19,053
It feels surreal to see
that they recognize me.
903
00:47:19,227 --> 00:47:21,621
-Thank you so much.
-Great talk.
904
00:47:21,795 --> 00:47:24,667
-God bless you,
brother. [grunts]
- Thank you. God bless you.
905
00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:26,756
[Kai]
They want a handshake.
some an autograph.
906
00:47:27,801 --> 00:47:29,020
Maybe a selfie.
907
00:47:29,716 --> 00:47:32,110
They respect my career
in bodybuilding.
908
00:47:32,588 --> 00:47:33,894
Some know me from social media.
909
00:47:34,068 --> 00:47:35,156
We're keeping
our fingers crossed.
910
00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:36,505
[inaudible]
911
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:38,029
[Kai]
Avid bodybuilding fans
912
00:47:38,203 --> 00:47:39,944
always ask when do I plan
913
00:47:40,118 --> 00:47:41,902
to make a comeback to the stage?
914
00:47:42,076 --> 00:47:43,295
[man]
We'll talk. You, you'll respond.
915
00:47:43,469 --> 00:47:44,862
[Kai]
I usually smile
916
00:47:45,036 --> 00:47:46,124
[chuckling] and change
the subject.
917
00:47:46,298 --> 00:47:48,866
[indistinct chatter]
918
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,303
[Kai]
Being here this time
feels different.
919
00:47:52,347 --> 00:47:54,175
I'm presenting,
The Chronicles of King Kai.
920
00:47:54,654 --> 00:47:56,525
As I mentioned, I have worked
921
00:47:56,699 --> 00:47:59,267
on this graphic novel
my whole life.
922
00:47:59,964 --> 00:48:01,487
I feel the pressure.
923
00:48:03,663 --> 00:48:05,708
but I stay confident. I smile.
924
00:48:07,362 --> 00:48:09,016
This is a new beginning.
925
00:48:16,241 --> 00:48:18,243
[host speaks inaudible]
926
00:48:18,417 --> 00:48:19,853
[man]
Oh, hey!
927
00:48:20,027 --> 00:48:22,464
Hey, look who's back.
Thank you, everybody.
928
00:48:22,638 --> 00:48:24,205
-All right, all right.
-[host] And...
929
00:48:24,379 --> 00:48:26,207
[crowd cheers]
930
00:48:26,381 --> 00:48:27,905
[man]
Whoa!
931
00:48:28,688 --> 00:48:30,211
Oh, boy!
932
00:48:30,995 --> 00:48:33,562
[host]
You actually got a camera,
a really hi-tech camera,
933
00:48:33,736 --> 00:48:36,435
overhead that is going
to watch what you draw.
934
00:48:36,609 --> 00:48:38,132
No intimidation at all.
935
00:48:38,306 --> 00:48:40,091
-[Kai] No pressure.
-[host] So, uh...
936
00:48:40,265 --> 00:48:42,310
[Kai]
I do feel passionate
about succeeding.
937
00:48:42,832 --> 00:48:46,488
What I identify with being
successful has changed a lot.
938
00:48:46,662 --> 00:48:50,536
There was a time when going
to a bodybuilding
stage anywhere,
939
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:52,973
it would have been
something that I would have
940
00:48:53,147 --> 00:48:57,282
worked tirelessly
and passionately for.
941
00:48:58,065 --> 00:49:00,067
But right now
we're in another place.
942
00:49:00,241 --> 00:49:02,809
There are other challenges.
There are other things to do.
943
00:49:02,983 --> 00:49:06,726
If you want
to be successful then you have
still a lot of work to do.
944
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:09,163
[crowd cheering]
945
00:49:10,077 --> 00:49:11,035
[inaudible]
946
00:49:16,518 --> 00:49:18,781
[tense music]
947
00:49:24,178 --> 00:49:25,919
[Kai]
After the Arnold Classic,
I expected to have
948
00:49:26,093 --> 00:49:29,053
at least two contracts,
one with the supplement company.
949
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,404
[Gerard]
When I saw Kai, I was like,
950
00:49:32,578 --> 00:49:34,623
"Yeah, this guy
has got what it takes."
951
00:49:34,797 --> 00:49:37,278
It was nice to give him a little
bit more financial support.
952
00:49:37,452 --> 00:49:40,629
[Kai]
I also landed an endorsement
with Weider publications.
953
00:49:40,803 --> 00:49:46,026
The most prestigious fitness
media conglomerate
founded by Joe Weider.
954
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,420
[Mike]
Joe Weider made IFBB.
He made bodybuilding.
955
00:49:48,594 --> 00:49:50,770
And you would always want to be
under contract with Joe
956
00:49:50,944 --> 00:49:53,512
because that's the cover the
magazines, that's the stories.
957
00:49:53,686 --> 00:49:55,644
You're getting verified on
"You're one of the greatest."
958
00:49:55,818 --> 00:49:58,647
[Kai]
Later that year, I gave up
dancing once and for all
959
00:49:58,821 --> 00:50:01,172
and settled in a small
apartment in the projects.
960
00:50:01,346 --> 00:50:04,218
Here, I was able to focus
on the next step.
961
00:50:04,392 --> 00:50:07,656
My life's goal to hold
the title of Mr. Olympia.
962
00:50:07,830 --> 00:50:10,398
The biggest show in the IFBB
is the Mr. Olympia.
963
00:50:10,572 --> 00:50:12,139
That was usually the end game.
964
00:50:12,313 --> 00:50:14,011
It's hard enough
to become a bodybuilder,
965
00:50:14,185 --> 00:50:17,753
But then to win the pinnacle
of all the contests
966
00:50:17,927 --> 00:50:21,192
and be thenumber one
bodybuilder in the world.
967
00:50:21,366 --> 00:50:23,281
What percentage
of the population
968
00:50:23,455 --> 00:50:25,935
can even aspire to do that,
let alone achieve that?
969
00:50:26,501 --> 00:50:28,329
[Kai]
First time on the Olympia stage,
970
00:50:28,503 --> 00:50:31,593
it was a stack show,
and he was there also.
971
00:50:32,072 --> 00:50:34,379
You know, the man
with the round muscles,
972
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:37,730
Jay got
the Sandow trophy that year.
973
00:50:37,904 --> 00:50:39,210
I got four.
974
00:50:39,384 --> 00:50:40,602
[Mike]
He was disappointed with that.
975
00:50:40,776 --> 00:50:42,387
That was a better first placing
976
00:50:42,561 --> 00:50:45,433
than many other champions
had done in the past
977
00:50:45,607 --> 00:50:47,174
and yet that still
wasn't enough for him.
978
00:50:47,348 --> 00:50:49,133
He truly expected to win.
979
00:50:49,307 --> 00:50:50,960
[Jerry]
If you're entering
the Olympia the first time
980
00:50:51,135 --> 00:50:52,788
and you make the top six,
981
00:50:52,962 --> 00:50:55,008
that means you are already
qualified for the next year.
982
00:50:55,182 --> 00:50:57,576
You've met one hurdle.
Plus, you've beaten
983
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:59,360
some of the best bodybuilders
in the world
984
00:50:59,534 --> 00:51:02,276
because everybody
in the Mr. Olympia is good.
985
00:51:02,450 --> 00:51:05,540
[Phil]
I'm like, "Man, I was a point
away from beating this dude."
986
00:51:05,714 --> 00:51:07,194
We're going to be seeing
each other again.
987
00:51:07,368 --> 00:51:09,022
And, of course,
my whole mentality,
988
00:51:09,196 --> 00:51:12,373
after my first Olympia being
third place to getting fifth
989
00:51:12,547 --> 00:51:14,767
and then having him ahead
of me pissed me off.
990
00:51:14,941 --> 00:51:17,291
So I was like, "I'm coming back.
I'm kicking everybody's ass."
991
00:51:18,553 --> 00:51:21,643
[Kai]
2010 Olympia turned out
to be something else.
992
00:51:22,253 --> 00:51:25,038
That show ended up being
a breakout moment for The Gift.
993
00:51:25,212 --> 00:51:27,084
Jay reclaimed the title,
994
00:51:27,258 --> 00:51:30,130
but Phil... went up
to second place.
995
00:51:31,262 --> 00:51:34,178
At that moment, we all knew
996
00:51:34,352 --> 00:51:36,180
that there was a new force
in bodybuilding.
997
00:51:36,354 --> 00:51:39,052
A new era was about to begin.
998
00:51:39,922 --> 00:51:41,402
I got seventh place.
999
00:51:42,142 --> 00:51:44,884
I was no longer
in the spotlight.
1000
00:51:47,191 --> 00:51:49,018
The thinking is that
to win the Olympia
1001
00:51:49,193 --> 00:51:51,325
you got to be big, big, big,
the biggest guy,
1002
00:51:51,499 --> 00:51:53,371
the thickest guy wins.
He overwhelms everybody.
1003
00:51:53,545 --> 00:51:56,156
So I think what happened was
Kai made a mistake
1004
00:51:56,330 --> 00:51:59,551
and he tried to enter
a little bit too big.
1005
00:52:00,726 --> 00:52:03,032
[Gerard]
The criticism of that show,
I believe,
1006
00:52:03,207 --> 00:52:04,599
was that he came in too big.
1007
00:52:04,773 --> 00:52:06,732
Unfortunately, a lot of times,
1008
00:52:06,906 --> 00:52:09,604
bodybuilders aren't judged
by who they're standing against.
1009
00:52:09,778 --> 00:52:13,565
They are sometimes judged by
how they've looked in the past.
1010
00:52:13,739 --> 00:52:15,784
So in their mind,
Kai is not at his best.
1011
00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:17,656
I've got to mark him down
for this.
1012
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:19,962
Now, sometimes that happens.
1013
00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:22,530
When you're looking
at bodybuilders, that elite,
1014
00:52:22,704 --> 00:52:25,751
they're very, very close.
So Kai was off.
1015
00:52:25,925 --> 00:52:29,929
Whatever happened that caused
him to go down to three places.
1016
00:52:30,103 --> 00:52:31,887
[Kai]
Some fans thought
I was a fluke.
1017
00:52:32,061 --> 00:52:35,978
Someone who came up on the scene
and burnt out too fast.
1018
00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:37,371
[George]
You can see in his eyes.
1019
00:52:37,545 --> 00:52:39,678
He was so disappointed.
They're so hurt.
1020
00:52:39,852 --> 00:52:42,289
And that's when everybody,
like, that's it,
they thought Kai is done.
1021
00:52:42,463 --> 00:52:44,552
[suspenseful music]
1022
00:52:50,036 --> 00:52:51,864
[Mike]
He wouldn't let any of us
around him for a while.
1023
00:52:52,038 --> 00:52:54,040
We all waited outside
of the venue
1024
00:52:54,214 --> 00:52:55,868
for about an hour,
and even then,
1025
00:52:56,042 --> 00:52:58,392
when he came out,
he collapsed on the sidewalk.
1026
00:52:59,524 --> 00:53:03,136
And he started a monologue
of disappointment and sadness.
1027
00:53:03,310 --> 00:53:05,356
That was really very touching.
1028
00:53:05,530 --> 00:53:07,619
-This was, this was it.
-[woman] Yeah.
1029
00:53:07,793 --> 00:53:08,663
Yeah.
1030
00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:10,535
This was it.
1031
00:53:11,231 --> 00:53:12,145
And...
1032
00:53:13,102 --> 00:53:15,104
That used to be like...
1033
00:53:17,498 --> 00:53:19,848
...[inaudible]
mother or grandmother.
1034
00:53:21,502 --> 00:53:23,200
I feel like something dying.
1035
00:53:23,374 --> 00:53:25,506
[Mike]
I know that he was
questioning his future.
1036
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,074
If he wanted to continue,
I know that he was questioning
1037
00:53:28,248 --> 00:53:29,815
everything he had done up
until that point
1038
00:53:29,989 --> 00:53:32,426
if it was worth it,
he was questioning everything.
1039
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,776
Some of us thought he,
he might even quit
at that point.
1040
00:53:45,396 --> 00:53:48,137
[tape rewinding]
1041
00:53:50,966 --> 00:53:52,620
[pencil scratching]
1042
00:53:55,406 --> 00:53:58,191
[Kai]
Luckily for me,
things are finally paying off.
1043
00:53:58,365 --> 00:54:00,759
The novel has been
generating interest
1044
00:54:00,933 --> 00:54:03,675
and we have structured a deal
with the studio
1045
00:54:03,849 --> 00:54:06,373
to produce it
into an animated series.
1046
00:54:06,547 --> 00:54:08,810
[phone ringing]
1047
00:54:10,812 --> 00:54:12,945
Hey! Oh, yeah.
1048
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:14,425
You here? All right.
1049
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:16,862
Hey. [laughs]
1050
00:54:17,036 --> 00:54:19,081
Right, Alan.
I got to get off the phone.
1051
00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:21,475
-[laughter]
-[Alan speaks inaudibly]
1052
00:54:21,649 --> 00:54:26,480
-So...
-I'm really excited to hear
what the next step is.
1053
00:54:26,654 --> 00:54:29,614
To tell you the truth, everyone
is hyped for this project.
1054
00:54:29,788 --> 00:54:32,225
But, you know, the,
the team just didn't feel
1055
00:54:32,399 --> 00:54:36,273
that the prologue showcasing you
throughout your childhood
1056
00:54:36,447 --> 00:54:38,710
wasn't really going to resonate
well with the audience.
1057
00:54:38,884 --> 00:54:40,973
But how does that mean?
You don't lose the prologue.
1058
00:54:41,147 --> 00:54:44,150
Prologue, it is the story.
It's the story.
1059
00:54:44,324 --> 00:54:47,501
Listen, I'm just
telling you the feedback
that I got from the producers.
1060
00:54:47,675 --> 00:54:49,808
These are the guys
putting the money into this.
1061
00:54:49,982 --> 00:54:52,637
But we still need to do a story
that is true to my own.
1062
00:54:52,811 --> 00:54:55,466
And if we don't tell the story
the way it is,
1063
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,294
it just becomes something
for a cash grab.
1064
00:54:57,468 --> 00:54:59,557
People appreciate
your dedication,
1065
00:54:59,731 --> 00:55:01,994
your passion, your creativity.
1066
00:55:02,168 --> 00:55:03,952
We've got to stick
more mainstream, though,
1067
00:55:04,126 --> 00:55:07,086
so hoping that we can come to
common grounds here because...
1068
00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:09,480
[Kai]
Meetings like this,
they're part of the process.
1069
00:55:09,654 --> 00:55:11,960
I feel like it's just
one of those things
that have to happen.
1070
00:55:12,134 --> 00:55:14,572
It's like going to your earlier
bodybuilding competitions
1071
00:55:14,746 --> 00:55:18,053
and your head and your heart
set on a certain outcome.
1072
00:55:18,227 --> 00:55:20,926
This didn't happen exactly
the way that I expected it to.
1073
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,276
As far asThe Chronicles
of King Kai's concerned,
1074
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:26,148
those are my names,
those are my ideas.
1075
00:55:26,323 --> 00:55:28,020
These are things
that aren't negotiable.
1076
00:55:28,194 --> 00:55:30,892
There's too much value there
to compromise on that.
1077
00:55:31,066 --> 00:55:36,942
So... I need to have as much
of what we're doing work.
1078
00:55:37,116 --> 00:55:41,903
So that we can get this story,
my story, in the spotlight
1079
00:55:42,077 --> 00:55:45,472
-and where it needs to be.
-Listen, I hear you,
uh, believe me,
1080
00:55:45,646 --> 00:55:48,432
and I'm just telling you
what their feedback is.
1081
00:55:48,606 --> 00:55:51,609
Some of what you've done
is a little too abstract
1082
00:55:51,783 --> 00:55:55,395
and I think that if we stick
between these lines
1083
00:55:55,569 --> 00:55:57,963
um, that it will
be more fruitful,
1084
00:55:58,137 --> 00:56:00,574
and it will
then allow you to unlock
1085
00:56:00,748 --> 00:56:02,010
uh, much more down the road.
1086
00:56:02,184 --> 00:56:03,708
Is that the only bone
of contention
1087
00:56:03,882 --> 00:56:05,579
that they shared with you
or is this something else?
1088
00:56:05,753 --> 00:56:07,886
You know, they,
they like the whole idea
1089
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:11,019
of even the magical individuals
1090
00:56:11,193 --> 00:56:13,718
to have um, two arms.
1091
00:56:13,892 --> 00:56:16,547
They just think that four arms
is very expensive,
1092
00:56:16,721 --> 00:56:18,723
so not only for budgets
but just because
1093
00:56:18,897 --> 00:56:20,899
people associate
having four arms,
1094
00:56:21,073 --> 00:56:24,293
they could be evil,
and dark, and very negative.
1095
00:56:24,468 --> 00:56:26,339
Um, I don't think
that that's a major change,
1096
00:56:26,513 --> 00:56:28,428
but wanted your feedback
on that one.
1097
00:56:30,430 --> 00:56:32,432
Draconian's have four arms.
1098
00:56:38,046 --> 00:56:39,178
[sighs]
1099
00:56:39,352 --> 00:56:40,266
I know that there are some
1100
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,528
compromises that have to be made
1101
00:56:41,702 --> 00:56:43,791
if you consider yourself
1102
00:56:43,965 --> 00:56:45,184
a creative writer.
1103
00:56:45,358 --> 00:56:46,577
It doesn't sound like
that's something
1104
00:56:46,751 --> 00:56:48,100
that's too hard to do.
1105
00:56:48,274 --> 00:56:50,624
But I'm still developing
my skill sets.
1106
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,670
[Alan]
Thank you.
1107
00:56:53,192 --> 00:56:55,063
[Kai]
Whatever you write,
you still have to be,
1108
00:56:55,237 --> 00:56:57,501
you know,
true to the story at his mind.
1109
00:56:57,675 --> 00:56:59,938
This is not,
this is not my story.
1110
00:57:00,852 --> 00:57:02,027
This is not my story.
1111
00:57:02,984 --> 00:57:05,073
[sad piano music]
1112
00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:27,444
[funky music]
1113
00:57:36,627 --> 00:57:38,716
[Kai]
I had to figure out
what went wrong
1114
00:57:39,368 --> 00:57:42,023
and most importantly,
how to fix it.
1115
00:57:42,807 --> 00:57:44,504
[George]
This coach tried
to blame it on him,
1116
00:57:44,678 --> 00:57:47,768
and he said, "You know,
you couldn't hold your belly.
1117
00:57:47,942 --> 00:57:49,596
You should have ate less
and this..."
1118
00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:51,598
And Kai told me, he said,
"I looked at him.
1119
00:57:51,772 --> 00:57:54,296
I was, 'Okay'."
He said, "That's it."
And then he left.
1120
00:57:54,471 --> 00:57:56,298
He said, "That was
the last time I talked to him."
1121
00:57:56,473 --> 00:58:00,128
So Kai started working
with George Farah in 2010.
1122
00:58:00,302 --> 00:58:02,174
He is an ex-pro bodybuilder,
1123
00:58:02,348 --> 00:58:05,394
very knowledgeable
with nutrition and training.
1124
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:07,309
I think Kai hired him
on his reputation.
1125
00:58:07,484 --> 00:58:09,094
He had already
worked with several
1126
00:58:09,268 --> 00:58:11,139
successful professional
bodybuilders.
1127
00:58:11,313 --> 00:58:12,619
I think it was a great call.
1128
00:58:13,315 --> 00:58:15,753
George is a great guy.
He's an experienced guy.
1129
00:58:15,927 --> 00:58:17,711
He's been
around the industry forever.
1130
00:58:18,407 --> 00:58:19,626
They have a great connection.
1131
00:58:20,801 --> 00:58:24,588
I know he made a lot of changes
in how Kai ate.
1132
00:58:24,762 --> 00:58:28,200
So he was able to help him
hone in on his genetic potential
1133
00:58:28,374 --> 00:58:29,854
to get to that top spot.
1134
00:58:30,028 --> 00:58:32,509
-I told you last time.
-How to do these?
1135
00:58:34,032 --> 00:58:36,687
[George unintelligible]
1136
00:58:37,514 --> 00:58:39,559
Out this way
and box in like that.
1137
00:58:43,563 --> 00:58:46,348
We started the,
we did the New York Pro.
1138
00:58:46,523 --> 00:58:49,264
[tense music]
1139
00:58:49,438 --> 00:58:53,268
[Kai]
Since I failed to place in
the top five the year before
1140
00:58:53,442 --> 00:58:56,707
I needed to get
an Olympia qualification again.
1141
00:58:57,272 --> 00:58:59,971
So we made a decision.
And I entered the New York Pro
1142
00:59:00,145 --> 00:59:02,147
right here in my hometown.
1143
00:59:03,235 --> 00:59:04,758
I was focused.
1144
00:59:04,932 --> 00:59:06,194
I followed the plan.
1145
00:59:06,934 --> 00:59:08,501
I came in to dominate.
1146
00:59:08,675 --> 00:59:09,676
[crowd cheers]
1147
00:59:09,850 --> 00:59:10,982
[Kai]
Hungry to win.
1148
00:59:11,983 --> 00:59:12,940
That night,
1149
00:59:13,462 --> 00:59:14,855
I reminded people
1150
00:59:15,508 --> 00:59:16,814
I was not a fluke.
1151
00:59:17,423 --> 00:59:20,600
He goes, "Man, do you think
I'm going to be okay?"
1152
00:59:20,774 --> 00:59:23,429
Now I was just looking
at the freaking freak,
1153
00:59:23,603 --> 00:59:26,127
I looked at him
and he will tell you this.
1154
00:59:26,301 --> 00:59:27,607
I said, "Kai, listen to me.
1155
00:59:27,781 --> 00:59:31,132
If anybody beat you
at that show...
1156
00:59:31,785 --> 00:59:32,960
...I'm going to quit.
1157
00:59:33,744 --> 00:59:35,180
There's nobody beating you, bro.
1158
00:59:35,789 --> 00:59:38,313
I swear, I still remember
1159
00:59:38,487 --> 00:59:40,751
I got goose bumps
when he walked out.
1160
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,622
He won the show.
1161
00:59:43,492 --> 00:59:44,842
[Kai]
With my number one placing,
1162
00:59:45,451 --> 00:59:47,322
I was headed
to the Olympia again.
1163
00:59:53,546 --> 00:59:55,592
[gentle music]
1164
00:59:55,766 --> 00:59:58,029
[host]
Folks, I know a few of you
have got to be here
1165
00:59:58,203 --> 01:00:00,553
for the Mr. Olympia prejudging.
1166
01:00:01,685 --> 01:00:05,602
You know, Jay Cutler has
returned the strive for five.
1167
01:00:06,167 --> 01:00:09,388
However, The gift informs me
1168
01:00:09,562 --> 01:00:11,869
that he is
in his all-time best shape.
1169
01:00:13,087 --> 01:00:15,046
Will the student
beat the teacher...
1170
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:17,875
...or will a predator emerge?
1171
01:00:19,485 --> 01:00:23,141
[Kai]
I arrived to Las Vegas later
that year to seek redemption.
1172
01:00:23,663 --> 01:00:25,578
He worked hard.
He really worked hard, man.
1173
01:00:25,752 --> 01:00:28,407
He busted his ass.
He did whatever he had to do.
1174
01:00:28,581 --> 01:00:30,539
[Kai]
The Gift made history
that night by becoming
1175
01:00:30,714 --> 01:00:34,413
the thirteenth man
to hold the title Mr. Olympia.
1176
01:00:34,587 --> 01:00:36,763
[Rich]
2011 was a pivotal
moment in bodybuilding
1177
01:00:36,937 --> 01:00:39,853
because you saw Phil move up
to first place.
1178
01:00:40,027 --> 01:00:43,465
But then you saw Kai Greene
move to the third place.
1179
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,294
So although Kai didn't get
second, he was right there
1180
01:00:46,468 --> 01:00:48,993
because you had Jay as Mr.
Olympia dropped out of place.
1181
01:00:49,167 --> 01:00:51,169
[Kai]
But it wasn't good
enough for me.
1182
01:00:51,996 --> 01:00:53,824
I knew that I could be
number one.
1183
01:00:54,781 --> 01:00:55,739
That haunted me.
1184
01:00:55,913 --> 01:00:57,349
After winning the Olympia
1185
01:00:57,523 --> 01:00:59,264
the eyeballs are now on me.
1186
01:00:59,438 --> 01:01:01,701
The writing was on the wall
that Jay was on his way down.
1187
01:01:01,875 --> 01:01:04,399
It was going to be a war
against Phil and Kai.
1188
01:01:04,573 --> 01:01:07,185
That's what started
th-- that big rivalry.
1189
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:09,578
[gentle piano music]
1190
01:01:10,405 --> 01:01:11,929
[Phil]
I'm more than best
at what I do.
1191
01:01:12,103 --> 01:01:13,670
There's no way I'm gonna lose.
1192
01:01:20,633 --> 01:01:22,330
[suspenseful music]
1193
01:01:25,638 --> 01:01:28,641
[indistinct chatter]
1194
01:01:31,296 --> 01:01:33,907
[Kai]
2012 was an interesting year.
1195
01:01:34,647 --> 01:01:37,781
The documentary was being made
about the upcoming Olympia,
1196
01:01:37,955 --> 01:01:40,522
and some of the top guys were
taking part in it.
1197
01:01:42,263 --> 01:01:43,569
We all wanted to win.
1198
01:01:44,048 --> 01:01:45,614
And once the cameras were on,
1199
01:01:45,789 --> 01:01:48,095
we expressed it
in different ways.
1200
01:01:48,269 --> 01:01:49,793
[Phil]
Guess what Kai,
you've been bodybuilding
1201
01:01:49,967 --> 01:01:51,925
for twenty years,
I've been bodybuilding for,
1202
01:01:52,099 --> 01:01:54,928
it will be ten in October.
I'm already better than you.
1203
01:01:55,102 --> 01:01:57,191
You know it. But now you're
making an excuse, saying
1204
01:01:57,365 --> 01:02:00,586
"Oh, he got this, he got that."
No, dude. I earned it.
1205
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,980
For him to make
it seem like, um,
1206
01:02:03,154 --> 01:02:05,852
I've been privileged
and this and that.
1207
01:02:06,026 --> 01:02:09,073
He's just trying
to play on the fact
that he had a rough upbringing
1208
01:02:09,247 --> 01:02:11,249
quit thinking
about thirty years ago,
1209
01:02:11,423 --> 01:02:12,903
but obviously his mind
doesn't think like that.
1210
01:02:13,077 --> 01:02:14,382
He thinks that everything
was handed.
1211
01:02:14,556 --> 01:02:16,515
It's because I'm better, man.
1212
01:02:16,689 --> 01:02:18,778
There's so many things
that can influence
1213
01:02:18,952 --> 01:02:22,042
what a person says
with their mouth that...
1214
01:02:22,869 --> 01:02:25,176
...we can't really go by.
1215
01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:28,222
Words, lips,
tongues can betray you
1216
01:02:28,396 --> 01:02:30,529
but there's something
to be said for hard work.
1217
01:02:30,703 --> 01:02:32,487
We can say, keep your gifts.
1218
01:02:33,662 --> 01:02:34,794
I work hard.
1219
01:02:34,968 --> 01:02:36,796
I know how to work real hard.
1220
01:02:36,970 --> 01:02:39,494
[man]
The subculture
in the sport was a buzz
1221
01:02:39,668 --> 01:02:42,976
with the talk about the film.
This was a really big deal.
1222
01:02:43,150 --> 01:02:45,326
There was a lot of people that
were paying attention to it.
1223
01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:48,677
[Kai]
Being in the spotlight,
we felt even more pressure
1224
01:02:48,852 --> 01:02:50,375
going into this Olympia.
1225
01:02:51,245 --> 01:02:54,553
Phil had a lot to prove
as the current champion.
1226
01:02:54,727 --> 01:02:56,076
[Phil]
I better kick the shit out
of this dude,
1227
01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:57,948
because the last thing
I want to do
1228
01:02:58,122 --> 01:03:00,689
is be a one hit wonder man,
because if I lose this,
1229
01:03:00,864 --> 01:03:02,430
I don't know if I'm gonna be
able to get it back.
1230
01:03:02,604 --> 01:03:04,215
I didn't believe
that it was going to be
1231
01:03:04,389 --> 01:03:05,564
one of those situations
where he would win one year,
1232
01:03:05,738 --> 01:03:06,913
I would win the next.
1233
01:03:07,087 --> 01:03:10,569
Whoever wins
this particular year
1234
01:03:10,743 --> 01:03:13,833
is just going to go,
because that in my opinion
1235
01:03:14,007 --> 01:03:16,270
becomes more of a standard
for the judges.
1236
01:03:18,098 --> 01:03:20,535
[crowd cheering]
1237
01:03:20,709 --> 01:03:23,060
[suspenseful music]
1238
01:03:28,456 --> 01:03:30,676
[Kai]
Bodybuilding is
a subjective sport,
1239
01:03:31,285 --> 01:03:32,591
But there is criteria.
1240
01:03:33,113 --> 01:03:37,074
Muscularity, definition and,
of course, posing.
1241
01:03:37,988 --> 01:03:39,337
Size does matter
1242
01:03:39,946 --> 01:03:42,209
but it's way more
than just size.
1243
01:03:43,515 --> 01:03:44,821
You have to know how to present
1244
01:03:44,995 --> 01:03:46,387
the package that you've built
1245
01:03:46,561 --> 01:03:49,216
on the stage
in its peak condition.
1246
01:03:49,695 --> 01:03:54,743
You have to show muscularity
with the lowest of body fat
percentage possible.
1247
01:03:54,918 --> 01:03:58,269
The mandatory poses need to be
executed flawlessly.
1248
01:03:58,443 --> 01:04:00,010
You have to hold those poses,
1249
01:04:00,184 --> 01:04:02,969
front double bicep, side chest,
1250
01:04:03,143 --> 01:04:05,972
back double bicep,
front lat spread,
1251
01:04:06,146 --> 01:04:09,019
each quarter turn
you have to make sure
1252
01:04:09,193 --> 01:04:11,151
every part
of your body is in sync.
1253
01:04:11,325 --> 01:04:14,720
The leg muscles have to flex
along with the upper body.
1254
01:04:15,764 --> 01:04:18,898
In the comparison round, you
have to out-pose your opponent.
1255
01:04:19,899 --> 01:04:21,727
[Rich]
They'll call out
a pose to compare,
1256
01:04:21,901 --> 01:04:25,513
say, a front double bicep of two
competitors that are very close.
1257
01:04:25,687 --> 01:04:28,690
So abdominals
and thighs or back pose.
1258
01:04:28,865 --> 01:04:31,084
And what the judges are doing,
they are assessing,
1259
01:04:31,258 --> 01:04:33,913
you know, which person
or individual is better
than the other individuals.
1260
01:04:34,087 --> 01:04:36,742
And a lot of times
it could be very close.
1261
01:04:36,916 --> 01:04:41,094
So you have to really go over
and over with the call outs.
1262
01:04:41,573 --> 01:04:44,271
Judges will then try
to pick apart the physiques
1263
01:04:44,445 --> 01:04:47,187
by looking at what's the weak
points on certain physiques.
1264
01:04:47,361 --> 01:04:48,928
But when you're
at an elite level,
1265
01:04:49,102 --> 01:04:52,018
like the Mr. Olympia,
there's very few weaknesses.
1266
01:04:52,192 --> 01:04:54,281
[crowd cheering]
1267
01:04:55,413 --> 01:04:57,023
[host]
Judges wait to see...
1268
01:04:58,111 --> 01:04:59,025
...Phil Heath...
1269
01:04:59,765 --> 01:05:01,767
[crowd cheers]
1270
01:05:04,204 --> 01:05:05,858
...Kai Greene, please.
1271
01:05:09,993 --> 01:05:11,864
[Kai]
The first day
during prejudging rounds.
1272
01:05:12,386 --> 01:05:13,518
It was intense.
1273
01:05:13,997 --> 01:05:16,260
The energy
in the arena was high.
1274
01:05:16,434 --> 01:05:17,914
Everyone felt the tension.
1275
01:05:19,219 --> 01:05:21,395
[host speaking inaudibly]
1276
01:05:30,622 --> 01:05:32,363
[Phil]
So Kai had
always outweighed me,
1277
01:05:32,537 --> 01:05:34,147
and I'm sure he did that night,
1278
01:05:34,321 --> 01:05:37,194
but I looked more dense,
1279
01:05:37,672 --> 01:05:39,370
than he did in some poses,
1280
01:05:39,544 --> 01:05:41,111
like in the back
and stuff like that.
1281
01:05:41,285 --> 01:05:43,678
I trained for more
on the eccentric side of things
1282
01:05:43,852 --> 01:05:45,376
and developing
with different fibers.
1283
01:05:45,550 --> 01:05:46,986
So I looked more dense
because I knew that
1284
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:48,466
that was his strength.
1285
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,425
Him on the other hand
from what I saw
1286
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:53,645
was probably like,
"Well, Phil's more conditioned.
1287
01:05:53,819 --> 01:05:55,995
So I got to bring
that same type of conditioning.
1288
01:05:56,169 --> 01:05:58,345
So if I have to lose
a little bit more body weight
1289
01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:01,305
or like a fullness
I can compare better
1290
01:06:01,479 --> 01:06:02,697
'cause Phil is the standard."
1291
01:06:02,871 --> 01:06:04,699
And I believe
that's what we saw.
1292
01:06:04,873 --> 01:06:05,831
He was ripped.
1293
01:06:07,659 --> 01:06:09,487
[inaudible chatter]
1294
01:06:12,838 --> 01:06:15,841
[Kai]
After the prejudging round,
George told me...
1295
01:06:16,929 --> 01:06:18,148
...it was close.
1296
01:06:18,626 --> 01:06:20,541
[George]
They always say
in order for you to win,
1297
01:06:20,715 --> 01:06:22,413
you've got to knock
the champion out
1298
01:06:22,587 --> 01:06:24,719
and we had enough
1299
01:06:24,893 --> 01:06:27,505
but it wasn't a knockout,
knockout per se.
1300
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:29,942
So that's why
I told Kai is very close.
1301
01:06:30,116 --> 01:06:32,205
I'm not going to lie to him.
I told him it's very close.
1302
01:06:32,684 --> 01:06:33,902
[Kai]
Phil looked upset.
1303
01:06:34,077 --> 01:06:36,470
It seemed that he was also told
1304
01:06:36,644 --> 01:06:37,776
that it was close.
1305
01:06:38,385 --> 01:06:40,126
[inaudible]
1306
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:41,780
What else can I do? [laughs]
1307
01:06:41,954 --> 01:06:43,869
You know, I mean, you tell me
1308
01:06:44,043 --> 01:06:45,610
where I can be tighter,
you know?
1309
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,962
I think I was tighter
than last year, easily.
1310
01:06:50,658 --> 01:06:52,443
[Kai]
The word is around
that it's close.
1311
01:06:52,617 --> 01:06:54,619
[Phil]
Well, maybe it's close
because it is close.
1312
01:06:54,793 --> 01:06:58,014
Maybe it's close
because they don't want
to come back to me
1313
01:06:58,188 --> 01:07:00,929
and have my head get big
and me not perform well.
1314
01:07:01,104 --> 01:07:02,844
Maybe it's close
because they want people to buy
1315
01:07:03,019 --> 01:07:05,543
the next day ticket.
I don't know.
1316
01:07:05,717 --> 01:07:07,501
But I knew that I had
a fight on my hands.
1317
01:07:07,675 --> 01:07:10,722
[gentle piano music]
1318
01:07:12,985 --> 01:07:16,293
[tense music]
1319
01:07:36,791 --> 01:07:39,098
[gentle music]
1320
01:08:02,817 --> 01:08:04,863
[muted]
1321
01:08:11,043 --> 01:08:13,263
[inspirational music]
1322
01:08:13,437 --> 01:08:16,135
[crowd cheering]
1323
01:08:21,184 --> 01:08:24,752
[Rich]
Kai Greene and Phil Heath
both have great genetics.
1324
01:08:24,926 --> 01:08:27,190
Phil has like a smaller waist.
1325
01:08:27,364 --> 01:08:29,453
He has more rounder muscles.
1326
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,195
But then you compare Kai,
1327
01:08:32,369 --> 01:08:34,806
maybe Kai has
a slightly wider waist.
1328
01:08:34,980 --> 01:08:37,113
The way his back goes
into his waist
1329
01:08:37,287 --> 01:08:40,072
is different than the way
Phil's back goes into it.
1330
01:08:40,246 --> 01:08:43,162
I see Phil has more
of a prettier physique
1331
01:08:43,336 --> 01:08:46,296
where Kai Greene has
this freaky physique.
1332
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:48,385
So you're looking at two
different types of physiques.
1333
01:08:48,559 --> 01:08:51,475
You have apples to oranges.
So, which body is better
1334
01:08:51,649 --> 01:08:52,867
depends on the judges.
1335
01:08:53,041 --> 01:08:54,478
They're both very impressive.
1336
01:08:55,261 --> 01:08:57,916
Kai's got things
about his physique
that you're just like, "Wow!"
1337
01:08:58,090 --> 01:09:00,310
The thickness of his thighs,
you know, are incredible.
1338
01:09:00,484 --> 01:09:04,183
But then when you look
at Phil and you look
at the thickness of his arms,
1339
01:09:04,357 --> 01:09:07,230
shoulders, and he gets
into the most muscular.
1340
01:09:07,404 --> 01:09:12,191
His traps.
It's just, everything is round,
full and he's conditioned.
1341
01:09:12,365 --> 01:09:15,107
On the proportions,
it's a little bit
of a problem with Phil, he,
1342
01:09:15,281 --> 01:09:19,067
his arms and shoulders
completely overpowers his torso.
1343
01:09:19,242 --> 01:09:21,069
He looks like he has
underdeveloped pecs.
1344
01:09:21,244 --> 01:09:22,941
Kai doesn't have that problem.
1345
01:09:23,115 --> 01:09:26,597
Second of all, Kai has all
the body parts just like Phil.
1346
01:09:26,771 --> 01:09:28,686
I think he has a little
bit better proportions,
1347
01:09:28,860 --> 01:09:30,383
a little bit more symmetrical.
1348
01:09:30,557 --> 01:09:32,342
But I think Kai,
when he's in top shape,
1349
01:09:32,516 --> 01:09:33,952
has a little bit
more muscle definition
1350
01:09:34,126 --> 01:09:36,215
at the back
and a slightly wider back.
1351
01:09:39,914 --> 01:09:41,351
[female judge]
Okay, we got one more call.
1352
01:09:41,525 --> 01:09:43,614
I need Phil and Kai back.
1353
01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:47,226
Okay, now.
1354
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,663
[crowd cheers]
1355
01:09:52,536 --> 01:09:54,538
Quarter-turn to-- no,
wait, hold on, stop it.
1356
01:09:54,712 --> 01:09:56,844
No, wait, stay back
on the line both of you.
1357
01:09:57,715 --> 01:09:59,978
And do me a favor,
take two steps to your,
1358
01:10:00,152 --> 01:10:01,501
two steps to your right.
1359
01:10:01,675 --> 01:10:03,590
[crowd cheers]
1360
01:10:03,764 --> 01:10:05,853
[gentle piano music]
1361
01:10:08,073 --> 01:10:10,380
Okay, do me a favor, take
a step apart from each other.
1362
01:10:10,554 --> 01:10:11,816
there's plenty of room.
1363
01:10:14,297 --> 01:10:15,689
Got to stay on the same side.
1364
01:10:15,863 --> 01:10:17,648
Come on, a little bit
of room between you.
1365
01:10:17,822 --> 01:10:19,084
Come on, Phil,
take one more, yep.
1366
01:10:19,258 --> 01:10:21,173
Thank you. Okay, now. Front.
1367
01:10:23,306 --> 01:10:25,177
Front double bicep.
1368
01:10:26,918 --> 01:10:29,007
[crowd cheering]
1369
01:10:33,838 --> 01:10:36,928
[Kai]
The space is telling
me that it's responding to me.
1370
01:10:37,102 --> 01:10:39,017
[crowd cheers]
1371
01:10:39,191 --> 01:10:41,019
[Kai]
They see my effort.
I've worked for this.
1372
01:10:41,193 --> 01:10:42,760
I know what I'm doing here.
1373
01:10:42,934 --> 01:10:44,501
I'm not in the wrong place.
1374
01:10:45,241 --> 01:10:48,026
Everything we've done,
cutting the water
when you did it,
1375
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,376
how we did it, when we pull
this, when we pull that,
1376
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:51,986
pushing the carb,
pulling the carb back,
1377
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,685
[unintelligible]
how we did it, whatever we did,
1378
01:10:54,859 --> 01:10:56,861
it's all worked
because right now...
1379
01:10:58,079 --> 01:10:59,690
...I don't need a mirror
in front of me.
1380
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,780
I can just watch
how they respond.
1381
01:11:04,434 --> 01:11:07,567
Yes, it's happening. I'm ready.
1382
01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:12,659
[indistinct chatter]
1383
01:11:19,666 --> 01:11:21,712
[judge]
Ladies and gentleman,
we have a one-point decision.
1384
01:11:21,886 --> 01:11:24,062
[crowd cheers]
1385
01:11:26,499 --> 01:11:27,979
[host]
Gentlemen, please take...
1386
01:11:29,328 --> 01:11:30,938
...the first-place award...
1387
01:11:32,723 --> 01:11:34,377
...The Olympia Gold Medal...
1388
01:11:35,465 --> 01:11:37,249
...the Sandow Trophy,
1389
01:11:37,858 --> 01:11:42,167
the check for two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars...
1390
01:11:44,125 --> 01:11:47,868
...and the title
of 2012 Mr. Olympia...
1391
01:11:48,042 --> 01:11:50,175
[crowd cheers]
1392
01:11:51,176 --> 01:11:52,264
...Phil Heath!
1393
01:11:52,438 --> 01:11:55,572
[crowd applauding and cheering]
1394
01:11:55,746 --> 01:11:58,357
[sad music]
1395
01:12:16,462 --> 01:12:17,724
[Kai]
I was unable
to knock him out.
1396
01:12:18,638 --> 01:12:19,552
I tried.
1397
01:12:20,336 --> 01:12:21,162
But...
1398
01:12:22,207 --> 01:12:23,948
...the champ stood on his feet.
1399
01:12:24,122 --> 01:12:27,038
[Phil]
I definitely believe
that the rivalry
1400
01:12:27,604 --> 01:12:28,953
wasn't at his peak yet.
1401
01:12:29,867 --> 01:12:31,434
But it was just the beginning.
1402
01:12:31,999 --> 01:12:34,567
And I didn't walk out
of that fight
1403
01:12:34,741 --> 01:12:36,787
without a nick or bruise either.
1404
01:12:37,265 --> 01:12:40,007
I still knew that it's
the Phil and Kai show.
1405
01:12:40,181 --> 01:12:41,531
Yeah. The show goes on.
1406
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:51,367
[dramatic music]
1407
01:12:53,934 --> 01:12:57,590
[Kai]
A lot started happening
before 2013 Olympia,
1408
01:12:57,764 --> 01:12:59,984
the documentary
that we had been a part of
1409
01:13:00,158 --> 01:13:03,030
was being released
and we were eager to support it.
1410
01:13:03,204 --> 01:13:05,293
[Interviewer]
Kai Greene, welcome
to New York. How you doing?
1411
01:13:05,468 --> 01:13:07,165
I am great.
Thank you for having me.
1412
01:13:07,339 --> 01:13:10,386
[TV host]
The two time Mr. Olympia.
Phil, The Gift, Heath.
1413
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,867
His new bodybuilding docudrama
titled Generation Iron
1414
01:13:14,041 --> 01:13:15,652
is a remake of the 1977--
1415
01:13:15,826 --> 01:13:21,048
I believe that fan bases
collide trash talk
1416
01:13:21,222 --> 01:13:23,181
and social media
started getting into it.
1417
01:13:23,355 --> 01:13:25,139
He's being vocal in some ways.
I'm doing it.
1418
01:13:25,313 --> 01:13:26,793
I don-- I don't know
if I said anything. I'm, I'm,
1419
01:13:26,967 --> 01:13:28,708
I'm sure, knowing my ass,
I probably did.
1420
01:13:28,882 --> 01:13:31,972
We do know
that it was very fierce
1421
01:13:32,146 --> 01:13:33,452
and not always so friendly
between the two...
1422
01:13:33,626 --> 01:13:35,062
[laughs] between the two
of them.
1423
01:13:35,236 --> 01:13:37,978
[dramatic music]
1424
01:13:41,155 --> 01:13:44,332
[Rich]
The rivalry years
of 2012, 2013, 2014
1425
01:13:44,507 --> 01:13:47,988
was great for bodybuilding
because you had
two great physiques,
1426
01:13:48,162 --> 01:13:50,121
going head to head
against each other.
1427
01:13:50,295 --> 01:13:51,775
[George]
You're talking
about the best in the world
1428
01:13:51,949 --> 01:13:53,472
when you are talking
about Kai and Phil
1429
01:13:53,646 --> 01:13:56,257
I don't think we never have
a rivalry like this.
1430
01:13:56,432 --> 01:13:57,737
[Phil]
We weren't friends.
1431
01:13:57,911 --> 01:13:59,522
We were not friends.
1432
01:13:59,696 --> 01:14:02,742
There was respect, but that was
it. Red Sox and Yankees.
1433
01:14:02,916 --> 01:14:05,571
[George]
They are totally
different individual.
1434
01:14:05,745 --> 01:14:08,661
Phil, he came out
as a cocky person,
1435
01:14:08,835 --> 01:14:11,011
like, "I don't care.
I'm winning."
1436
01:14:11,490 --> 01:14:13,536
[Rich]
Phil Heath, as great as he was,
1437
01:14:13,710 --> 01:14:15,712
he wasn't favored or liked
1438
01:14:15,886 --> 01:14:18,889
because he had so much arrogance
in who he was.
1439
01:14:19,063 --> 01:14:20,543
[Phil]
This is my town.
This is my show.
1440
01:14:20,717 --> 01:14:22,458
This is my title.
This is my throne.
1441
01:14:22,632 --> 01:14:24,111
And I refused to give it
to anybody.
1442
01:14:24,285 --> 01:14:26,853
[Rich]
Where you saw, this guy, Kai,
1443
01:14:27,027 --> 01:14:30,509
he was this hard working guy.
He didn't talk a lot.
1444
01:14:30,683 --> 01:14:32,076
But he was there doing the work,
1445
01:14:32,250 --> 01:14:34,078
and he was there
proving it on stage.
1446
01:14:34,252 --> 01:14:35,819
And I think people relate to him
1447
01:14:35,993 --> 01:14:38,474
because not too many people
have the gift.
1448
01:14:40,084 --> 01:14:42,434
[gentle music]
1449
01:14:54,664 --> 01:14:56,927
[Kai]
So as my name started
to rise in the industry,
1450
01:14:57,101 --> 01:14:59,364
I started seeing
some hate as well.
1451
01:14:59,930 --> 01:15:03,107
Mostly, there were people
in bodybuilding blogs
1452
01:15:03,281 --> 01:15:05,457
talking shit
about my appearance,
1453
01:15:05,631 --> 01:15:07,807
my hair, some caught wind
1454
01:15:07,981 --> 01:15:10,201
of the fact
that I used to dance.
1455
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,246
I ignored all of it.
1456
01:15:13,509 --> 01:15:14,553
Then one day,
1457
01:15:14,727 --> 01:15:16,250
I heard that some of the tapes
1458
01:15:16,424 --> 01:15:18,992
that I had recorded earlier
in my career
1459
01:15:19,166 --> 01:15:21,081
started leaking out online.
1460
01:15:21,821 --> 01:15:25,042
This is about surviving, man.
I know guys who did much worse.
1461
01:15:25,216 --> 01:15:27,653
[Gerard]
He didn't do anything
to hurt anybody else.
1462
01:15:27,827 --> 01:15:29,525
These were all decisions
that he made
1463
01:15:29,699 --> 01:15:31,352
only at the consequence
of himself.
1464
01:15:33,006 --> 01:15:34,878
[Victor]
It's nothing.
What Kai did was basically
1465
01:15:35,052 --> 01:15:37,707
feed the pigeons
when they said don't feed them
1466
01:15:37,881 --> 01:15:39,186
and you guys are making
a big deal about it.
1467
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,102
[laughs] I mean,
guy's, the guy's got to eat.
1468
01:15:42,276 --> 01:15:45,323
And to be quite honest, I looked
at it as massive trash talking
1469
01:15:45,497 --> 01:15:47,151
to try to pull him down
1470
01:15:47,325 --> 01:15:49,457
but then be like, "Oh, yeah,
you know, but he's great."
1471
01:15:49,632 --> 01:15:51,895
It's like, "But then what was
the point of saying that stuff?"
1472
01:15:58,641 --> 01:16:00,904
[crowd cheering]
1473
01:16:03,602 --> 01:16:07,780
[Kai]
Arriving to Vegas felt
a little different
this time around.
1474
01:16:07,954 --> 01:16:09,695
I felt support from the people
1475
01:16:09,869 --> 01:16:13,612
that saw the film, and
gravitated towards my story.
1476
01:16:13,786 --> 01:16:19,139
I knew going in 2013
that he's going all out.
1477
01:16:19,313 --> 01:16:22,360
He's trying to wreck my party.
1478
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:24,928
[George]
Phil was disappointed
because he heard
1479
01:16:25,102 --> 01:16:27,408
some boos
during the prejudging.
1480
01:16:30,107 --> 01:16:32,152
[Phil]
2013, he looked incredible.
1481
01:16:32,326 --> 01:16:34,372
I'm standing right next to him
backstage, and I'm like,
1482
01:16:34,546 --> 01:16:37,201
"Whoa! He's sick."
1483
01:16:37,375 --> 01:16:38,811
I go up on stage. I do my thing.
1484
01:16:38,985 --> 01:16:41,292
I get one call out. It's a wrap.
1485
01:16:41,466 --> 01:16:43,294
When they said Phil back
in line, I was like,
1486
01:16:43,468 --> 01:16:44,643
"I did my job. I beat that ass.
1487
01:16:44,817 --> 01:16:46,645
It's a wrap.
I killed this dude."
1488
01:16:46,819 --> 01:16:48,560
And I know I probably killed
his confidence a little bit too.
1489
01:16:48,734 --> 01:16:51,694
I was just that good that night
1490
01:16:51,868 --> 01:16:54,044
that time the judges
gave me the nod.
1491
01:16:54,218 --> 01:16:57,917
[host]
Three times,
Mr. Olympia, Phil Heath!
1492
01:16:58,091 --> 01:17:00,006
[crowd cheering]
1493
01:17:00,180 --> 01:17:01,747
[Kai]
When they announced
his name again,
1494
01:17:02,269 --> 01:17:03,531
everything[inaudible]
1495
01:17:03,706 --> 01:17:04,924
[host]
Congratulations to Phil Heath.
1496
01:17:05,098 --> 01:17:06,796
[Kai]
But mentally, I was gone.
1497
01:17:06,970 --> 01:17:08,319
[host]
Once again, Kai Greene...
1498
01:17:08,493 --> 01:17:10,190
[Kai]
I failed to deliver the care.
1499
01:17:11,191 --> 01:17:12,889
To deliver the knockout
next time.
1500
01:17:13,454 --> 01:17:15,239
[host]
Tonight here, Mr. Olympia, 2013
1501
01:17:15,413 --> 01:17:17,067
[Kai]
We had to wow the judges.
1502
01:17:17,241 --> 01:17:18,677
[commentator]
I think they are well deserved.
1503
01:17:18,851 --> 01:17:21,027
[dramatic music]
1504
01:17:27,599 --> 01:17:28,948
[Kai]
I had to get bigger.
1505
01:17:30,036 --> 01:17:31,734
But maintain
superior conditioning.
1506
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:37,435
As I mentioned before,
muscle and size matters
in bodybuilding.
1507
01:17:38,828 --> 01:17:42,527
But without definition, it's
impossible to be Mr. Olympia.
1508
01:17:50,361 --> 01:17:53,930
[Victor]
A lot of us were strong,
but the way he executed
1509
01:17:54,104 --> 01:17:56,584
the movements and the way
he moved the weights,
1510
01:17:56,759 --> 01:17:59,152
at ease,
it was just unfathomable.
1511
01:17:59,936 --> 01:18:01,981
[man]
And I take it,
he's extremely focused.
1512
01:18:02,155 --> 01:18:04,244
You could have a bomb go off
in the next room.
1513
01:18:04,418 --> 01:18:06,769
He's just focused on the muscle
he's working.
1514
01:18:06,943 --> 01:18:09,119
That's probably one of the keys
to his success.
1515
01:18:10,076 --> 01:18:12,296
[Gerard]
He was eating
an enormous amount of food.
1516
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:14,994
I mean, he was eating
incredible amounts of food.
1517
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,823
I think here for 2014,
I think his mindset was,
1518
01:18:17,997 --> 01:18:19,607
this is the year,
he's got to do it.
1519
01:18:23,524 --> 01:18:25,265
[dramatic music continues]
1520
01:18:41,717 --> 01:18:42,979
[muted]
1521
01:18:58,690 --> 01:19:00,518
[host]
Ladies and gentlemen,
boys and girls,
1522
01:19:00,692 --> 01:19:01,780
fans from around the world,
1523
01:19:01,954 --> 01:19:04,000
welcome to Joe Wieters
1524
01:19:04,174 --> 01:19:05,523
50th Olympia.
1525
01:19:05,697 --> 01:19:08,482
[crowd cheers and applauds]
1526
01:19:10,789 --> 01:19:13,618
[Phil]
I'm dedicating this Olympia win
to my late father,
1527
01:19:13,792 --> 01:19:15,533
Don Heath,
who passed away in March.
1528
01:19:15,707 --> 01:19:18,623
-[crowd cheers]
-You know, I,
I made sure that, uh.
1529
01:19:19,145 --> 01:19:21,147
throughout his struggle
with amyloidosis
1530
01:19:21,321 --> 01:19:23,497
that I was able to, you know,
see him in the city,
1531
01:19:23,671 --> 01:19:25,412
Seattle, Washington,
where I grew up...
1532
01:19:25,586 --> 01:19:27,284
You know, obviously,
at that time,
1533
01:19:27,458 --> 01:19:29,982
I had just recently
lost my father,
1534
01:19:30,156 --> 01:19:33,159
and my focus was honoring him,
1535
01:19:33,333 --> 01:19:36,249
taking it up another notch,
using that energy.
1536
01:19:36,423 --> 01:19:38,817
But I told my father
before he passed that, you know,
1537
01:19:38,991 --> 01:19:41,559
I'm gonna bring one home for him
and that's what I intend to do.
1538
01:19:41,733 --> 01:19:43,953
I'd be foolish to come up here.
Like I said before--
1539
01:19:44,127 --> 01:19:45,911
[Kai]
That's what the first three
should have been.
1540
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:48,522
-[lady screams]
-[Kai] That's what the first
three should have been.
1541
01:19:48,696 --> 01:19:51,003
I respect your father.
I respect anyone
that has had a father.
1542
01:19:51,177 --> 01:19:52,352
-I didn't have one.
-[Phil] You know what?
1543
01:19:52,526 --> 01:19:54,615
Enough is enough.
Enough is enough.
1544
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:57,227
-[Kai] 2014 is 2014.
-[Phil] This whole--
enough is enough. Enoug--
1545
01:19:57,401 --> 01:19:59,229
-[Phil] Enough is enough.
-[Kai] 2013 is the past.
1546
01:19:59,403 --> 01:20:01,666
-[lady screams]
-You know what,
you talked about the past
1547
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,364
your whole entire career,
making excuses...
1548
01:20:04,538 --> 01:20:08,238
[Phil]
I specifically told my ex-wife,
"He's going to start a fight."
1549
01:20:08,412 --> 01:20:11,371
She said,
"How do you know this?" I said,
"'Cause that's what I would do."
1550
01:20:11,545 --> 01:20:13,330
[laughs]
1551
01:20:13,504 --> 01:20:15,506
If you want something greater
1552
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,335
than air itself,
you'll be insane.
1553
01:20:18,509 --> 01:20:20,685
-I'm here to beat you.
-[Phil] The other side we have
of Kai Greene, people.
1554
01:20:20,859 --> 01:20:23,427
-I'm here to beat you.
-Here I am trying to talk
about my late father.
1555
01:20:23,601 --> 01:20:26,952
-This is not about, not about
not respecting your father.
-[Phil inaudible]
1556
01:20:27,126 --> 01:20:29,041
It's not about not respecting
the champion.
1557
01:20:29,215 --> 01:20:32,349
Listen, man, 2013 was 2013.
1558
01:20:32,523 --> 01:20:36,875
2014, every man came here
to do their best to win.
1559
01:20:37,049 --> 01:20:39,312
Now, if that's if you want to,
if you want to rest to...
1560
01:20:39,486 --> 01:20:41,445
[Gerard]
I knew going into it
that there's been this thing
1561
01:20:41,619 --> 01:20:44,274
that's been festering out
between the two of them.
1562
01:20:44,448 --> 01:20:47,973
and I knew that there was
this thing that the industry
seemed to be going along with.
1563
01:20:48,147 --> 01:20:51,368
I'm not saying that this is
what the organizers did want...
1564
01:20:52,456 --> 01:20:54,197
...but it seemed to be
that's where this was going.
1565
01:20:54,371 --> 01:20:56,242
And, you know,
you have a press conference and,
1566
01:20:56,416 --> 01:20:58,810
and questions already asked
that are kind of a little bit
1567
01:20:58,984 --> 01:21:01,378
antagonizing questions
and it escalated.
1568
01:21:01,552 --> 01:21:02,988
Kai, I'm looking
for some facts here.
1569
01:21:03,162 --> 01:21:04,772
He wants to talk facts.
Trash is done.
1570
01:21:04,947 --> 01:21:06,949
We're not going to talk trash.
We're gonna talk facts.
1571
01:21:07,123 --> 01:21:09,821
-Give me three facts
as to why you will beat Phil...
-He can't do it.
1572
01:21:09,995 --> 01:21:11,562
-...Heath on Saturday night.
-He can't do it.
1573
01:21:11,736 --> 01:21:13,564
You just gave him a chance
and he starts rambling on.
1574
01:21:13,738 --> 01:21:16,784
-He can't.
-[as a child] Don't you
interrupting again.
1575
01:21:16,959 --> 01:21:18,917
-[laughter]
-[Kai] Oh.
1576
01:21:19,091 --> 01:21:20,658
[Jerry]
When they hold
those press conferences
1577
01:21:20,832 --> 01:21:22,442
and the current Mr. Olympia
always beats his chest,
1578
01:21:22,616 --> 01:21:24,575
they sit there like
with a smug look on their face.
1579
01:21:24,749 --> 01:21:27,491
Kai Greene was saying, you know,
"It's going to be
a different story."
1580
01:21:27,665 --> 01:21:30,494
I think he was trying
to put on a little show
of aggression there.
1581
01:21:30,668 --> 01:21:33,323
To, to show that he wasn't
afraid of, of Phil Heath.
1582
01:21:33,497 --> 01:21:35,020
[host]
Come on, Kai.
Give me three
1583
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,285
Here we go.
Fact one, we'll outweigh him
by forty pounds.
1584
01:21:39,459 --> 01:21:41,200
Fact two, we'll be wider.
1585
01:21:41,374 --> 01:21:44,334
Fact three, it's all over
from the rear.
1586
01:21:44,508 --> 01:21:46,249
And that's just it.
That's how it's going to be.
1587
01:21:48,686 --> 01:21:50,731
I was like, "Okay."
And then he asked me
1588
01:21:50,906 --> 01:21:52,733
the same question,
and I let him know.
1589
01:21:52,908 --> 01:21:56,172
Phil, give me three facts
as to why Kai can't beat you
on stage?
1590
01:21:56,346 --> 01:22:00,785
-2011, 2012 and 2013.
-[crowd cheers]
1591
01:22:02,482 --> 01:22:04,528
[Phil]
Everybody's hyped up.
I've got to calm this down
1592
01:22:04,702 --> 01:22:06,051
'cause I got
to save this for tomorrow.
1593
01:22:06,225 --> 01:22:08,227
I'm explaining this
to my family and friends
1594
01:22:08,401 --> 01:22:11,187
and I said, "Just understand,
come tomorrow,
it's going to get ugly."
1595
01:22:11,883 --> 01:22:14,059
[suspenseful music]
1596
01:22:20,805 --> 01:22:22,807
[indistinct chatter]
1597
01:22:22,981 --> 01:22:24,852
[host]
The final group on stage,
competitors thirteen
1598
01:22:25,027 --> 01:22:26,637
through seventeen, please.
1599
01:22:27,116 --> 01:22:29,205
[dramatic music]
1600
01:22:42,740 --> 01:22:44,263
[Kai]
I knew I was going to win.
1601
01:22:44,437 --> 01:22:46,787
Before the prejudging,
George told me so.
1602
01:22:46,962 --> 01:22:48,572
For me to look
at Kai and I'm like,
1603
01:22:48,746 --> 01:22:51,967
"Kai, nobody is big in this,
nobody."
1604
01:22:52,141 --> 01:22:56,449
He was huge, he was the biggest
Kai has ever been on the stage.
1605
01:22:56,623 --> 01:22:58,886
When he walked out,
I said, "It's all over."
1606
01:22:59,061 --> 01:23:01,280
I knew he won.
I'm like, "That's it."
1607
01:23:02,325 --> 01:23:04,457
[Phil]
This is definitely make
or break for him
1608
01:23:04,631 --> 01:23:07,069
because to lose
to someone multiple years,
1609
01:23:07,243 --> 01:23:10,115
I mean, then it just becomes,
like, you ain't
never going to do it.
1610
01:23:10,811 --> 01:23:14,076
I knew what he said was after...
1611
01:23:14,902 --> 01:23:19,037
So I had to make sure
that I could give
him some energy on stage.
1612
01:23:19,211 --> 01:23:24,086
So what I did was we're doing
the quarter turns,
1613
01:23:24,825 --> 01:23:26,566
as we're doing them...
1614
01:23:27,437 --> 01:23:29,961
...I'm making sure
he could feel my breath
1615
01:23:30,135 --> 01:23:32,572
through my nose on his back.
[exhales]
1616
01:23:32,746 --> 01:23:34,531
[Rodney]
It doesn't take
a rocket scientist to see
1617
01:23:34,705 --> 01:23:37,273
that all the antagonism
was coming from Phil.
1618
01:23:37,447 --> 01:23:39,753
I was doing whatever
I could to present
1619
01:23:39,927 --> 01:23:42,495
my aura in his space.
1620
01:23:42,669 --> 01:23:44,802
[Kai]
I came out to take
what was mine.
1621
01:23:45,281 --> 01:23:49,937
I was not going to let him
or anyone push me
and shove me.
1622
01:23:50,112 --> 01:23:52,505
I think one of the funny things
that happened
1623
01:23:52,679 --> 01:23:54,855
is he took his hair
and he flipped it
1624
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:57,075
and hit Phil Heath
in the eye, I think.
1625
01:23:57,249 --> 01:23:58,250
[Phil]
And I'm like...
1626
01:23:59,295 --> 01:24:00,948
..."Motherf#*#*#*#*#*,
you just hit me, did you?"
1627
01:24:01,123 --> 01:24:03,081
And I'm thinking,
it's kind of funny
1628
01:24:03,255 --> 01:24:04,648
because I'm like...
1629
01:24:04,822 --> 01:24:07,433
[laughs] "Did I just get hit
with a braid?"
1630
01:24:09,305 --> 01:24:11,089
[Kai]
It was not close this time.
1631
01:24:11,785 --> 01:24:12,786
You did it.
1632
01:24:13,526 --> 01:24:15,659
You were about to knock him
the fuck out.
1633
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:18,705
[Phil]
Getting closer...
1634
01:24:19,706 --> 01:24:21,056
...getting closer...
1635
01:24:22,448 --> 01:24:24,189
...and uh, yeah...
1636
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:26,931
...um...
1637
01:24:28,715 --> 01:24:30,021
...he gets in my face.
1638
01:24:30,587 --> 01:24:32,676
[background screams]
1639
01:24:38,682 --> 01:24:41,815
[Rodney]
So when I saw Kai
about to punch Phil on stage.
1640
01:24:41,989 --> 01:24:45,297
I was like,"Yo, hold on, man.
You got to call us for that.
You can't do that."
1641
01:24:45,471 --> 01:24:47,647
Kai was just saying, "Hey,
buddy, I don't care who you are,
1642
01:24:47,821 --> 01:24:49,258
you're not going
to nudge me off the stage."
1643
01:24:49,432 --> 01:24:50,998
And everybody acted
like Kai started it
1644
01:24:51,173 --> 01:24:52,304
but if you look at the video,
1645
01:24:52,478 --> 01:24:54,176
Heath is the one
that initiated it.
1646
01:24:55,873 --> 01:24:57,004
It was epic, man.
1647
01:24:58,005 --> 01:24:59,224
It was epic seriously.
1648
01:24:59,398 --> 01:25:01,487
[crowd cheering]
1649
01:25:03,185 --> 01:25:05,535
[Phil]
I think you'd have to interview
the other athletes,
1650
01:25:05,709 --> 01:25:08,842
but I think they all knew
that they were just on this
1651
01:25:09,016 --> 01:25:10,801
Kai Greene, Phil Heath train.
1652
01:25:10,975 --> 01:25:12,716
And they're just along
for the ride.
1653
01:25:12,890 --> 01:25:14,718
[George]
I'm sure some of the judges,
they get mad
1654
01:25:14,892 --> 01:25:16,589
because he was aggressive.
1655
01:25:16,763 --> 01:25:18,591
But wait a minute. You guys
wanted him to be aggressive
1656
01:25:18,765 --> 01:25:20,332
and because he's aggressive,
you're going to take
1657
01:25:20,506 --> 01:25:22,595
some points at him
and jab at him?
1658
01:25:22,769 --> 01:25:24,945
[crowd cheering]
1659
01:25:26,817 --> 01:25:29,602
[host]
All right, folks, we've reached
that point in the night.
1660
01:25:29,776 --> 01:25:32,301
It is time for awards.
1661
01:25:32,475 --> 01:25:37,088
If I could have Kai Greene
and Phil Heath
in the center, please.
1662
01:25:37,784 --> 01:25:41,484
[Kai]
That night. I didn't know
that this was my last time,
1663
01:25:41,658 --> 01:25:43,486
stepping onto the Olympia stage.
1664
01:25:44,878 --> 01:25:46,315
All I kept thinking was...
1665
01:25:47,446 --> 01:25:48,491
..."This is it.
1666
01:25:49,970 --> 01:25:53,713
I got this." Everything was
where it was supposed to be.
1667
01:25:53,887 --> 01:25:57,326
All the work had been rightly
placed up into that point.
1668
01:25:57,500 --> 01:25:58,979
My intentions at the time,
1669
01:25:59,154 --> 01:26:02,331
were based on the thought
that I am ready
1670
01:26:02,505 --> 01:26:05,508
I've left no stolen turns.
It's already done,
1671
01:26:05,682 --> 01:26:07,205
and I'm just waiting
for the judges
1672
01:26:07,379 --> 01:26:09,164
to announce their findings.
1673
01:26:11,209 --> 01:26:12,428
[host]
Presenting...
1674
01:26:13,124 --> 01:26:14,604
...the first-place award...
1675
01:26:14,778 --> 01:26:16,519
[crowd cheering]
1676
01:26:17,433 --> 01:26:21,567
...a check
for 275,000 dollars...
1677
01:26:21,741 --> 01:26:23,874
[crowd screaming]
1678
01:26:26,050 --> 01:26:30,750
...they will take all
that and the title
of 2014 Mr. Olympia.
1679
01:26:38,497 --> 01:26:43,981
It's fourth time Mr. Olympia,
Phil Heath.
1680
01:26:46,418 --> 01:26:49,029
[sad music]
1681
01:26:49,204 --> 01:26:51,031
[Kai]
At that point,
there's nothing you can say.
1682
01:26:52,642 --> 01:26:54,078
When they called
his name again...
1683
01:26:54,252 --> 01:26:55,906
[chuckles] I smiled.
1684
01:26:56,907 --> 01:26:58,822
I shook his hand.[sighs]
1685
01:26:59,562 --> 01:27:02,478
The golden Sandow
was raised in the air.
1686
01:27:05,568 --> 01:27:07,134
Did I accept this decision?
1687
01:27:09,441 --> 01:27:10,834
Uh...
1688
01:27:13,010 --> 01:27:14,490
...I respect the judge's call.
1689
01:27:15,578 --> 01:27:18,102
[Gerard]
I think at that point,
Kai had lost...
1690
01:27:18,755 --> 01:27:21,453
...a little bit of his belief...
1691
01:27:22,585 --> 01:27:24,282
...that he would
ever win this title.
1692
01:27:24,804 --> 01:27:28,678
Having worked so hard,
having come so close,
1693
01:27:28,852 --> 01:27:30,506
I think I was kind of like,
1694
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,203
"I don't know
if I'm ever going to get this."
1695
01:27:32,377 --> 01:27:33,900
I think there's a lot
of frustration, and I think
1696
01:27:34,074 --> 01:27:36,338
there was a lot
of the letdown inside.
1697
01:27:36,512 --> 01:27:38,253
Here's this dream
of yours that you've had.
1698
01:27:38,427 --> 01:27:40,733
You've worked so hard for
and you've come so close,
1699
01:27:40,907 --> 01:27:42,518
and you feel like.
"You know what?
1700
01:27:42,692 --> 01:27:45,477
No matter what I do, I'm
not going to get this thing."
1701
01:27:45,651 --> 01:27:48,567
I think of anything,
I think I had it that year.
1702
01:27:49,133 --> 01:27:50,439
Phil is pretty phenomenal.
1703
01:27:50,613 --> 01:27:52,484
I can see why the judges
went with Phil.
1704
01:27:53,529 --> 01:27:54,660
I can see why they did.
1705
01:27:54,834 --> 01:27:56,227
I said Kai, "Psst,
1706
01:27:56,793 --> 01:27:58,273
I would hate to be Phil."
1707
01:27:59,099 --> 01:28:02,320
That's like marrying
the homecoming queen,
1708
01:28:02,494 --> 01:28:04,888
but she wants to fuck you.
That's a horrible feeling.
1709
01:28:05,062 --> 01:28:06,803
You got her, but she wants him.
1710
01:28:06,977 --> 01:28:09,153
You've got the title,
but everybody's rooting for Kai.
1711
01:28:10,067 --> 01:28:11,938
That's a horrible feeling.
I mean, "You know
1712
01:28:12,112 --> 01:28:13,418
you're not supposed
to have this title."
1713
01:28:13,592 --> 01:28:15,115
And here I am,
I'm looking at Kai's 100%
1714
01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:17,640
and Phil is off
with this belly and I'm like,
1715
01:28:17,814 --> 01:28:19,555
"How the hell
you give it to Phil?"
1716
01:28:19,729 --> 01:28:22,166
I, and honestly, I still don't
know, I don't understand it.
1717
01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:24,037
It was really hard on both of us
1718
01:28:24,211 --> 01:28:25,778
because that was the first time
1719
01:28:25,952 --> 01:28:28,215
I really promised Kai
that he's going to win.
1720
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:29,782
2014...
1721
01:28:30,783 --> 01:28:33,090
...I don't care who gets mad
at me, Kai should have won it.
1722
01:28:33,264 --> 01:28:34,961
I could see how George
could say that.
1723
01:28:35,135 --> 01:28:37,790
When you work with somebody
or you're friends with somebody,
1724
01:28:37,964 --> 01:28:39,618
for whatever reason,
1725
01:28:39,792 --> 01:28:41,664
I think there's something
in your subconscious,
1726
01:28:41,838 --> 01:28:44,014
there's something
that makes you feel
1727
01:28:44,188 --> 01:28:46,799
that this person that you have
this connection with,
1728
01:28:46,973 --> 01:28:49,236
this relationship with
is better.
1729
01:28:49,411 --> 01:28:51,500
I think there was something
going on with Kai
1730
01:28:51,674 --> 01:28:53,806
where he wasn't really liked.
1731
01:28:53,980 --> 01:28:56,243
It wasn't that they thought
he was a bad person,
1732
01:28:56,418 --> 01:28:59,246
but there's, there's some,
let's say, qualities about him.
1733
01:28:59,421 --> 01:29:00,987
that kept him from winning.
1734
01:29:01,161 --> 01:29:03,120
There's some sort
of thing against Kai
1735
01:29:03,294 --> 01:29:05,514
I couldn't tell you exactly.
Maybe it's the hair.
1736
01:29:05,688 --> 01:29:06,993
Maybe they don't
like his posing.
1737
01:29:07,167 --> 01:29:08,995
I don't know what it is,
but I don't think
1738
01:29:09,169 --> 01:29:11,084
they would ever have given him
the title, honestly.
1739
01:29:11,258 --> 01:29:14,740
And Kai didn't directly
say this, but he hinted
1740
01:29:14,914 --> 01:29:17,526
that he'd spoken
to a top official bodybuilder
1741
01:29:17,700 --> 01:29:19,354
who basically told him that.
1742
01:29:19,528 --> 01:29:21,747
So I think that somehow
he got word that,
1743
01:29:21,921 --> 01:29:24,271
"Hey, buddy, there's no way
we're going to let you win."
1744
01:29:24,446 --> 01:29:26,143
So why would he
knock himself out
1745
01:29:26,317 --> 01:29:28,058
trying to compete here
when he has no chance?
1746
01:29:28,232 --> 01:29:30,234
Those films, in that time
of his life as a,
1747
01:29:30,408 --> 01:29:32,454
as a dancer and,
and making erotic films.
1748
01:29:32,628 --> 01:29:34,891
It definitely came back
to haunt him.
1749
01:29:35,500 --> 01:29:38,460
There's no doubt
that, that people are
judging him because of that.
1750
01:29:38,634 --> 01:29:42,681
And that may or may not
have affected his placements.
We'll never know.
1751
01:29:42,855 --> 01:29:45,858
So, yeah, that was,
that was tough.
It was tough loss man.
1752
01:29:46,032 --> 01:29:48,426
It was tough loss
and that's why people ask me,
1753
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,690
"Is he going
to do the Olympias?"
I'm like, "Dude, I don't know."
1754
01:29:51,864 --> 01:29:54,606
I don't think
he can ever recover
from something like this.
1755
01:29:59,089 --> 01:30:01,961
[interviewer]
Why didn't you try to come back
again and compete next year?
1756
01:30:02,658 --> 01:30:05,704
[dramatic music]
1757
01:30:09,578 --> 01:30:11,797
[Kai]
The truth is,
I was ready to compete.
1758
01:30:12,711 --> 01:30:16,062
Well, circumstances surrounding
the 2015 Olympia
1759
01:30:16,236 --> 01:30:19,196
prevented me
from returning to that stage.
1760
01:30:22,199 --> 01:30:24,549
I didn't complain.
I didn't respond to anyone
1761
01:30:24,723 --> 01:30:26,464
on the blogs or social media.
1762
01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:30,163
I didn't want to do anything
to tarnish bodybuilding,
1763
01:30:30,337 --> 01:30:31,774
the sport that I love,
1764
01:30:31,948 --> 01:30:34,124
I didn't want
to disappoint the enthusiasts
1765
01:30:34,777 --> 01:30:37,432
or the community
that I became part of.
1766
01:30:38,389 --> 01:30:40,783
I explained myself
the best way that I could.
1767
01:30:41,348 --> 01:30:43,525
And wished good luck
to all the competitors.
1768
01:30:43,699 --> 01:30:46,223
Most notably,
what happened in 2015
1769
01:30:46,397 --> 01:30:49,139
was my Wieder contract
was withheld
1770
01:30:49,313 --> 01:30:51,576
because of a dispute,
1771
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:54,274
with my, uh, supplement company
at the time.
1772
01:30:54,449 --> 01:30:55,928
There was really no animosity.
I mean, we would have,
1773
01:30:56,102 --> 01:30:57,800
we would have loved
to have him stay.
1774
01:30:57,974 --> 01:31:00,150
We had a lot invested
with him over the years,
1775
01:31:00,324 --> 01:31:01,847
but you know, he thought that
1776
01:31:02,021 --> 01:31:04,415
that was the better path
for him to take at the time.
1777
01:31:05,068 --> 01:31:06,591
[Kai]
I understood
that my value was more
1778
01:31:06,765 --> 01:31:08,419
than what I was being paid.
1779
01:31:08,593 --> 01:31:11,117
I had to address that,
and the only time to address it
1780
01:31:11,291 --> 01:31:14,469
was at the time the contract
would be negotiated.
1781
01:31:14,643 --> 01:31:16,993
First, I started
with the supplement company.
1782
01:31:17,167 --> 01:31:18,734
Everybody has
to have a contract,
1783
01:31:18,908 --> 01:31:20,953
and ultimately, the fact
that I didn't have a contract
1784
01:31:21,127 --> 01:31:22,912
with the same said company
1785
01:31:23,086 --> 01:31:25,349
affected my ability
to have a Wieder contract.
1786
01:31:25,523 --> 01:31:27,438
My Wieder contract was withheld,
1787
01:31:27,612 --> 01:31:29,440
and as a result
of that being withheld,
1788
01:31:29,614 --> 01:31:33,923
it became impossible
to sign the Olympia contract.
1789
01:31:34,576 --> 01:31:36,752
[sad piano music]
1790
01:31:38,493 --> 01:31:40,059
It shouldn't have been withheld.
1791
01:31:41,496 --> 01:31:44,673
So imagine losing the contract.
A six figure contract.
1792
01:31:44,847 --> 01:31:46,675
Imagine that money being
taken away from you...
1793
01:31:47,850 --> 01:31:50,287
...and then that same company
that took the money
1794
01:31:50,461 --> 01:31:51,897
away from you runs
the biggest show in the world
1795
01:31:52,071 --> 01:31:54,030
that is gonna use
your image and likeness
1796
01:31:54,204 --> 01:31:55,727
to generate money with.
1797
01:31:55,901 --> 01:31:57,947
They get you images
from the show the previous year.
1798
01:31:58,121 --> 01:31:59,470
They can write about you
because they can go
1799
01:31:59,644 --> 01:32:01,341
on your social media
and write about you.
1800
01:32:01,516 --> 01:32:02,908
So therefore,
they can go up to vendors,
1801
01:32:03,082 --> 01:32:05,171
get money, Kai's coming back,
1802
01:32:05,345 --> 01:32:08,392
Phil, you guys know,
even if you don't sponsor him,
1803
01:32:08,958 --> 01:32:11,134
he's bringing people.
1804
01:32:11,308 --> 01:32:13,223
Phil and Kai
are bringing people.
1805
01:32:13,789 --> 01:32:16,835
If I'm a businessman,
if I'm Kai, I'm thinking
1806
01:32:17,009 --> 01:32:19,446
"You just took the money
away from me, you want
me to compete at your show?
1807
01:32:19,621 --> 01:32:21,144
No, I'm not
I'm not going to do that."
1808
01:32:21,318 --> 01:32:22,885
Because I'm sure
if he would have been resigned,
1809
01:32:23,059 --> 01:32:24,495
he would've probably competed.
1810
01:32:24,669 --> 01:32:25,844
I told people, I was like,
1811
01:32:26,018 --> 01:32:27,454
"Hey, man, you guys need
to pay him."
1812
01:32:27,629 --> 01:32:29,500
Hand on God, I said,
"Pay that, man."
1813
01:32:29,674 --> 01:32:31,023
I didn't even talk to Kai,
but I'm thinking,
1814
01:32:31,197 --> 01:32:33,156
"If I could petition
to get him paid,
1815
01:32:33,809 --> 01:32:35,506
he's gonna come back."
1816
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,465
Because at least
he has guaranteed money
to do the craft.
1817
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,033
You can't just
do the craft and not get paid.
We're professional athletes,
1818
01:32:41,207 --> 01:32:43,296
like we're professionals.
We're not getting paid
millions of dollars.
1819
01:32:43,470 --> 01:32:45,734
So this money is special.
1820
01:32:45,908 --> 01:32:48,345
That would, in a sense,
would be enough for him
1821
01:32:48,519 --> 01:32:51,870
to sit out and hold out like any
other running back
1822
01:32:52,044 --> 01:32:53,742
for a sports team and say,
"You know what?
1823
01:32:53,916 --> 01:32:56,005
You're not going to pay me,
you're gonna franchise tag me.
1824
01:32:56,179 --> 01:32:58,834
I'm going to sit out
and you're gonna pay me
what I feel I'm worth."
1825
01:32:59,008 --> 01:33:01,488
I have invested more
than 20 years of my life
1826
01:33:01,663 --> 01:33:05,536
in the idea... of being able
to come to the Olympia
1827
01:33:05,710 --> 01:33:08,713
and to do an absolute best.
1828
01:33:08,887 --> 01:33:13,936
My resolve has been
to respond as a champion
and just aim to...
1829
01:33:15,198 --> 01:33:18,984
...represent the better thought
of what that means to me.
1830
01:33:19,158 --> 01:33:20,943
You don't get to this point...
1831
01:33:22,205 --> 01:33:23,554
...and just stop.
1832
01:33:29,386 --> 01:33:31,606
[sniffs]
It doesn't happen like that.
1833
01:33:39,178 --> 01:33:40,484
I am...
1834
01:33:40,963 --> 01:33:42,704
I'm not a victim. I'm not a...
1835
01:33:43,966 --> 01:33:45,532
They ain't gonna break me.
1836
01:33:55,978 --> 01:33:57,457
[George]
Kai wasn't going
to compete at all.
1837
01:33:57,632 --> 01:33:59,111
He said,
"I'm done, George, I'm done."
1838
01:33:59,285 --> 01:34:01,418
And he's like
"George, man, I'm just so tired,
1839
01:34:01,592 --> 01:34:04,421
why I'm doing all this,
you know, for what?
1840
01:34:04,595 --> 01:34:06,466
Even when I win,
they give me second?
1841
01:34:06,641 --> 01:34:08,164
Why? Why should I bother?"
1842
01:34:08,643 --> 01:34:10,819
[Phil]
I was more upset
because he wasn't competing.
1843
01:34:10,993 --> 01:34:12,429
Where is my inspiration?
1844
01:34:14,866 --> 01:34:16,389
Where is my "why"?
1845
01:34:16,563 --> 01:34:18,304
My "why" was like,
"Well, I want to beat his ass.
1846
01:34:18,478 --> 01:34:21,046
I want to still win.
I like this feeling."
1847
01:34:21,220 --> 01:34:23,396
I enjoy competing against him.
1848
01:34:23,570 --> 01:34:25,660
If I got to pick
who I want to really
1849
01:34:25,834 --> 01:34:28,227
go toe to toe with.
I want go with Kai.
1850
01:34:29,098 --> 01:34:34,843
With Kai, I think it probably
was a factor of emotional,
physical, mental,
1851
01:34:35,017 --> 01:34:37,019
that he just said, "I just,
I'm not going to do this
1852
01:34:37,193 --> 01:34:38,673
and I can do other things."
1853
01:34:40,892 --> 01:34:42,894
[people chattering]
1854
01:34:44,635 --> 01:34:45,897
[Kai]
I really do believe
you can write
1855
01:34:46,071 --> 01:34:47,333
and control your own narrative.
1856
01:34:47,507 --> 01:34:49,031
I think every person
has to do that.
1857
01:34:49,205 --> 01:34:51,076
This was an opportunity,
1858
01:34:51,250 --> 01:34:53,035
an opportunity to grow
1859
01:34:53,209 --> 01:34:55,211
to better myself and advance
1860
01:34:55,385 --> 01:34:58,127
to other areas
of my life and career.
1861
01:34:58,997 --> 01:35:02,087
I finally focused
on my self-development,
1862
01:35:02,261 --> 01:35:04,089
my business, my art.
1863
01:35:04,786 --> 01:35:07,310
I was able to focus
on The Chronicles of King Kai
1864
01:35:07,484 --> 01:35:10,313
and finally put it down on paper
1865
01:35:10,487 --> 01:35:12,532
and make it into a reality.
1866
01:35:13,969 --> 01:35:17,015
I started to attend arenas
outside of bodybuilding,
1867
01:35:18,147 --> 01:35:19,539
I have invested in myself
1868
01:35:19,714 --> 01:35:22,325
and focused on building
my own destiny.
1869
01:35:23,369 --> 01:35:26,503
I believe now more than ever,
it's worth it to be clear
1870
01:35:26,677 --> 01:35:28,418
about determining a worthy goal
1871
01:35:28,592 --> 01:35:31,116
and working
towards its realization.
1872
01:35:31,290 --> 01:35:34,424
Even if it will take you
20, 30 years.
1873
01:35:34,598 --> 01:35:36,731
My ability to be successful,
1874
01:35:36,905 --> 01:35:39,603
depended on my ability
to be willing to work.
1875
01:35:39,777 --> 01:35:42,649
There's still work
that can be done,
1876
01:35:42,824 --> 01:35:45,478
but all the work
that needs to be done
isn't just done in the gym.
1877
01:35:46,871 --> 01:35:49,221
[seagulls cawing]
1878
01:35:49,395 --> 01:35:53,312
I think Kai Greene will be
remembered, as you know,
1879
01:35:53,486 --> 01:35:56,968
a bodybuilder that brought back
the art of bodybuilding.
1880
01:35:57,142 --> 01:35:59,492
[inspirational music]
1881
01:35:59,666 --> 01:36:01,016
[Rich]
He was a phenomenal
bodybuilder.
1882
01:36:01,190 --> 01:36:02,495
He was a freaky bodybuilder
1883
01:36:02,669 --> 01:36:04,367
to put that much mass
on his frame.
1884
01:36:04,541 --> 01:36:06,108
You saw him
as this natural bodybuilder
1885
01:36:06,282 --> 01:36:08,066
that got his Pro Card
and then from there,
1886
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,329
he evolved into this freak.
1887
01:36:10,503 --> 01:36:13,202
But still, although he was
a freak, he was graceful.
1888
01:36:13,376 --> 01:36:16,248
I think he'll go down
as one of the guys
that should have won the Olympia
1889
01:36:16,422 --> 01:36:18,685
but wasn't given the opportunity
that he was a top pro.
1890
01:36:18,860 --> 01:36:21,253
He had everything.
But I think that
1891
01:36:21,427 --> 01:36:24,517
because of an unjust attitude
on the part of, let's say,
1892
01:36:24,691 --> 01:36:27,390
the organizations,
that whole bodybuilding,
1893
01:36:27,564 --> 01:36:30,393
they didn't want to give him
a chance to win,
even though he deserved to win.
1894
01:36:32,525 --> 01:36:34,658
[Mike]
I think the way people
will remember Kai
1895
01:36:34,832 --> 01:36:37,792
in bodybuilding
has yet to be created.
1896
01:36:38,357 --> 01:36:43,145
Not as someone
who almost became Mr. Olympia,
but as something else.
1897
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:46,191
I feel like he's moving
toward something else
1898
01:36:46,365 --> 01:36:48,933
that's going to encompass
positive thinking,
1899
01:36:49,107 --> 01:36:52,197
the building of a great
physique, and the artistry and,
1900
01:36:52,371 --> 01:36:55,200
and the presentation of all
of that. I think that's coming.
1901
01:36:55,374 --> 01:36:57,681
How he will be remembered
is yet to come.
1902
01:36:57,855 --> 01:37:00,727
I really do. I think
he's still creating himself.
1903
01:37:00,902 --> 01:37:02,425
And will continue
to create himself.
1904
01:37:02,599 --> 01:37:05,254
And that's the Kai we're going
to remember, eventually.
1905
01:37:05,428 --> 01:37:07,169
Oh, Kai is always going
to be remembered, man.
1906
01:37:07,343 --> 01:37:08,910
He's going
to be the predator for life.
1907
01:37:09,084 --> 01:37:10,868
He's the Predator, man.
1908
01:37:11,521 --> 01:37:12,522
He's the Predator.
1909
01:37:13,740 --> 01:37:15,873
[Kai]
At the end of the day,
I wasn't given
1910
01:37:16,047 --> 01:37:17,657
the title Mr. Olympia,
1911
01:37:18,354 --> 01:37:19,964
but my journey continues.
1912
01:37:21,096 --> 01:37:24,055
I look back on my life
and where I've come from,
1913
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:26,188
I have learned a lot
1914
01:37:26,362 --> 01:37:28,930
about my abilities,
my strengths,
1915
01:37:29,104 --> 01:37:31,846
my ambitions,
I have traveled the world.
1916
01:37:32,324 --> 01:37:34,761
Everywhere I go,
I see opportunity.
1917
01:37:34,936 --> 01:37:37,416
I meet like-minded people.
1918
01:37:38,113 --> 01:37:40,202
[inspirational music continues]
1919
01:37:44,467 --> 01:37:46,556
[Mike]
I think people root for him.
1920
01:37:47,035 --> 01:37:48,340
And that's the biggest thing
1921
01:37:50,429 --> 01:37:52,823
[Jerry]
I think everybody looks
at him and wants him to win,
1922
01:37:52,997 --> 01:37:55,608
and that's why I think he should
get back out there and go again
1923
01:37:55,782 --> 01:37:57,306
and make it happen.
1924
01:37:58,350 --> 01:38:00,222
[Victor]
It's not about how many
titles you have,
1925
01:38:00,396 --> 01:38:02,093
it is how you make people feel.
1926
01:38:02,267 --> 01:38:04,791
I he's made people feel
very good about themselves,
1927
01:38:04,966 --> 01:38:06,924
and he gave a piece
1928
01:38:07,098 --> 01:38:09,448
a large piece
of who he is to the world.
1929
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,365
[Phil]
You know, he's done movies.
He's done other things.
1930
01:38:13,539 --> 01:38:15,715
He's carried,
that entrepreneur spirit.
1931
01:38:16,325 --> 01:38:18,153
His story isn't finished.
1932
01:38:19,067 --> 01:38:23,506
And I'm truly honored to have
shared the stage with him.
1933
01:38:24,942 --> 01:38:26,901
I'm actually really thankful...
1934
01:38:27,727 --> 01:38:29,555
...that he gave it
such a good run
1935
01:38:29,729 --> 01:38:31,470
because I don't think
there was anyone
1936
01:38:31,644 --> 01:38:33,037
that could have done the same.
1937
01:38:33,211 --> 01:38:34,604
Actually, I know it.
1938
01:38:35,474 --> 01:38:38,303
[Kai]
Things that I thought
were unachievable...
1939
01:38:39,087 --> 01:38:40,131
...I accomplished them.
1940
01:38:41,045 --> 01:38:44,570
And yet there is
a lot more work to be done...
1941
01:38:46,094 --> 01:38:48,444
...a lot more goals
to accomplish.
1942
01:38:48,923 --> 01:38:51,664
And one thing I truly believe,
1943
01:38:51,838 --> 01:38:53,884
thoughts become things.
1944
01:38:55,059 --> 01:38:57,148
[crowd cheers]
1945
01:38:57,932 --> 01:39:01,892
[crowd screams]
Kai, Kai, Kai, Kai!
1946
01:39:02,066 --> 01:39:04,677
Kai, Kai, Kai, Kai!
1947
01:39:04,851 --> 01:39:06,462
Kai, Kai, Kai!
1948
01:39:06,636 --> 01:39:10,031
Kai, Kai, Kai, Kai, Kai!
1949
01:39:10,205 --> 01:39:12,990
Kai, Kai, Kai!
1950
01:39:13,164 --> 01:39:15,775
[gentle music]
1951
01:39:49,287 --> 01:39:51,376
[muted]
1952
01:39:58,166 --> 01:40:00,385
[reflexive music]
1953
01:40:01,430 --> 01:40:04,215
He's a lovable guy. Can't bite
that, yeah, can't beat that.
1954
01:40:04,389 --> 01:40:06,000
Well, we'll cut the last part.
1955
01:40:06,174 --> 01:40:07,566
[laughter]
1956
01:40:07,740 --> 01:40:09,090
Ow!
1957
01:40:17,576 --> 01:40:18,621
[Rich]
I'm not telling you that.
1958
01:40:18,795 --> 01:40:20,666
[background chatter]
1959
01:40:23,713 --> 01:40:25,802
Someone's hurt.
Somebody's fighting. [laughs]
1960
01:40:26,368 --> 01:40:27,760
Yup. [groans]
1961
01:40:33,027 --> 01:40:35,507
Can you cock it? Oh, yeah,
I wasn't gonna try do that.
1962
01:40:35,681 --> 01:40:36,639
[laughter]
1963
01:40:45,952 --> 01:40:50,348
[Kai]
Thinking, you know, so candid
that you're irresponsible,
1964
01:40:50,522 --> 01:40:53,656
um, with how you handle,
you know...
1965
01:40:55,832 --> 01:40:57,877
[laughs]
1966
01:41:15,808 --> 01:41:17,636
[Kai]
I do want to encourage
those people
1967
01:41:17,810 --> 01:41:19,551
though they'd to turn around,
I can see that,
1968
01:41:19,725 --> 01:41:21,162
I see the opportunity.
1969
01:41:25,731 --> 01:41:27,255
Damn I forgot what the fuck
I was answering right now.
1970
01:41:27,429 --> 01:41:28,473
[laughs]
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