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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,567 --> 00:00:08,154 Amber Burch, are both now charged with murder. 2 00:00:08,154 --> 00:00:09,697 Ever since Pazuzu was arrested, 3 00:00:09,697 --> 00:00:11,366 I've been trying to get past the rumors and the 4 00:00:11,366 --> 00:00:14,452 sensationalist headlines to get to the real story 5 00:00:14,452 --> 00:00:16,996 behind this man, his crimes, his victims, 6 00:00:16,996 --> 00:00:19,040 and how this could have happened in our community. 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,918 For those five years that Josh was missing, 8 00:00:21,918 --> 00:00:25,505 Jared did not receive any social security money. 9 00:00:25,505 --> 00:00:27,632 It seems like the police just didn't do their job, 10 00:00:27,632 --> 00:00:30,969 and maybe if we could prove that we could get back 11 00:00:30,969 --> 00:00:33,763 some of the money that Jared is entitled to. 12 00:00:33,763 --> 00:00:37,308 There's the search warrants from 2014, 13 00:00:37,308 --> 00:00:39,978 and then we found out that the search warrants were sealed. 14 00:00:39,978 --> 00:00:41,521 There is something in those search warrants that 15 00:00:41,521 --> 00:00:43,606 law enforcement didn't want out. 16 00:00:43,606 --> 00:00:46,276 28‐year‐old Krystal Matlock has been charged with 17 00:00:46,276 --> 00:00:48,069 accessory after the fact. 18 00:00:48,069 --> 00:00:51,197 Documents state she assisted Algarad with concealing an 19 00:00:51,197 --> 00:00:56,619 unidentified male body between June and August of 2009. 20 00:00:56,619 --> 00:00:58,246 Doctor actually diagnosed him with 21 00:00:58,246 --> 00:01:00,081 Schizotypal Personality Disorder. 22 00:01:00,081 --> 00:01:02,125 The guy's clinically psychotic. 23 00:01:02,125 --> 00:01:05,628 Pazuzu Algarad was found unresponsive in his cell 24 00:01:05,628 --> 00:01:08,339 at Central Prison at approximately 3 am 25 00:01:08,339 --> 00:01:10,967 on the morning of October 28. 26 00:01:10,967 --> 00:01:12,844 The authorities say it's a suicide, 27 00:01:12,844 --> 00:01:14,304 but they don't know exactly how he killed himself. 28 00:01:14,304 --> 00:01:15,513 And the prison system goes on and 29 00:01:15,513 --> 00:01:17,140 suffers zero repercussions. 30 00:01:26,024 --> 00:01:29,569 I'm going to get drugs. 31 00:01:29,569 --> 00:01:32,196 Lots of drugs. 32 00:01:32,196 --> 00:01:34,490 Then I'll feel better about everything and 33 00:01:34,490 --> 00:01:36,868 it doesn't really matter what I've done. 34 00:01:36,868 --> 00:01:40,455 I look up and it's midnight, and my son is 35 00:01:40,455 --> 00:01:42,165 standing there in the door. 36 00:01:42,165 --> 00:01:45,251 And, his face looks swollen and he's sweaty, 37 00:01:45,251 --> 00:01:49,464 eyes are bugged out, and they're bloodshot. 38 00:01:49,464 --> 00:01:51,424 That's not your kid. 39 00:01:51,424 --> 00:01:53,843 ♪ 40 00:01:55,178 --> 00:02:05,271 ♪ 41 00:02:05,271 --> 00:02:12,487 ♪ 42 00:02:17,533 --> 00:02:24,707 ♪ 43 00:02:24,707 --> 00:02:26,501 What's become of our America? 44 00:02:26,501 --> 00:02:28,461 From the police, to the justice system, 45 00:02:28,461 --> 00:02:31,047 to social services and in our communities in general, 46 00:02:31,047 --> 00:02:33,174 you know, it seems to me there's an entire class of people 47 00:02:33,174 --> 00:02:35,468 in this country that are being ignored. 48 00:02:35,468 --> 00:02:37,804 ♪ 49 00:02:37,804 --> 00:02:39,972 In writing these articles about Pazuzu, 50 00:02:39,972 --> 00:02:42,725 our hope was that we could find the answers to some of these, 51 00:02:42,725 --> 00:02:44,894 you know, pressing questions that were going on in the case, 52 00:02:44,894 --> 00:02:47,480 especially for the victims, for people like Stacey. 53 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,273 With lack of access and reliable intel, 54 00:02:49,273 --> 00:02:50,942 I wouldn t even do that. 55 00:02:50,942 --> 00:02:54,028 Perhaps we built her hopes up a little bit and 56 00:02:54,028 --> 00:02:57,281 perhaps we did Stacey a disservice. 57 00:02:57,281 --> 00:02:58,991 Was there any more I could have done? 58 00:02:58,991 --> 00:03:01,577 I feel like I did everything I could, but did I really? 59 00:03:01,577 --> 00:03:04,580 And maybe not. I probably fell short. 60 00:03:04,580 --> 00:03:14,716 ♪ 61 00:03:14,716 --> 00:03:23,975 ♪ 62 00:03:35,361 --> 00:03:48,124 ♪ 63 00:03:48,124 --> 00:03:49,792 The case is done. 64 00:03:49,792 --> 00:03:54,213 Krystal Matlock is being let out. 65 00:03:54,213 --> 00:03:55,715 The prosecutors and defense attorneys are 66 00:03:55,715 --> 00:03:58,634 almost starting to pack up. 67 00:03:58,634 --> 00:04:03,222 And it was lunch time, 68 00:04:03,222 --> 00:04:05,933 and I was ready to go eat my leftovers that 69 00:04:05,933 --> 00:04:08,186 my wife put in my little lunch box for the day, 70 00:04:08,186 --> 00:04:10,897 and Amanda Martin stood up... 71 00:04:10,897 --> 00:04:16,277 ♪ 72 00:04:16,277 --> 00:04:18,654 I saw Amanda out of the corner of my eye. 73 00:04:18,654 --> 00:04:20,239 It's almost like double Dutch. 74 00:04:20,239 --> 00:04:22,867 It's like, you know, how do I, how do I jump in? 75 00:04:22,867 --> 00:04:28,915 ♪ 76 00:04:28,915 --> 00:04:33,461 I'm very often the unexpected visitor to a court room. 77 00:04:33,461 --> 00:04:36,130 She said she wanted to raise the question of whether 78 00:04:36,130 --> 00:04:38,299 these search warrants could now be unsealed. 79 00:04:38,299 --> 00:04:41,385 ♪ 80 00:04:41,385 --> 00:04:45,348 So, we had these two layers of problem here. 81 00:04:45,348 --> 00:04:50,061 You had a, a sealing order that ran counter to 82 00:04:50,061 --> 00:04:52,188 the North Carolina Public Records Law, 83 00:04:52,188 --> 00:04:54,941 and counter to the cases interpreting 84 00:04:54,941 --> 00:04:56,609 the first amendment. 85 00:04:56,609 --> 00:04:59,779 Usually a search warrant is sealed either to 86 00:04:59,779 --> 00:05:03,282 protect the integrity of an investigation, or, 87 00:05:03,282 --> 00:05:06,244 to ensure the fair trial of any defendants who are charged. 88 00:05:06,244 --> 00:05:08,120 What was it that was in the search warrants that 89 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,082 needed to continue to be sealed? We didn't know. 90 00:05:11,082 --> 00:05:13,167 AMANDA: That the laws of public records are there for 91 00:05:13,167 --> 00:05:16,671 very good reasons, and the interest in that is 92 00:05:16,671 --> 00:05:21,926 never stronger than when we're talking about oversight, 93 00:05:21,926 --> 00:05:23,636 if you will, of law enforcement. 94 00:05:23,636 --> 00:05:25,388 (siren) 95 00:05:25,388 --> 00:05:27,890 These are people who walk around with guns; 96 00:05:27,890 --> 00:05:30,393 they arrest people; they search people's homes. 97 00:05:30,393 --> 00:05:34,021 I mean, they have more power than you can imagine, 98 00:05:34,021 --> 00:05:37,108 and so, I'm not saying they shouldn't have that power, 99 00:05:37,108 --> 00:05:41,612 but I always feel that the tradeoff for that is that 100 00:05:41,612 --> 00:05:44,240 we should be able to see how it gets exercised. 101 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:50,329 At that point with Matlock being the final defendant, 102 00:05:50,329 --> 00:05:56,377 I saw no reason to keep them secret any longer 103 00:05:56,377 --> 00:05:58,546 because the investigation was concluded. 104 00:05:58,546 --> 00:06:01,007 Everyone had been brought to justice. 105 00:06:01,007 --> 00:06:04,135 ♪ 106 00:06:04,135 --> 00:06:05,803 Take the kids to school, and you come home and 107 00:06:05,803 --> 00:06:08,681 you turn on the computer, and there's, you know, 108 00:06:08,681 --> 00:06:10,683 a story in the Winston‐Salem Journal, Mike Hewlett's 109 00:06:10,683 --> 00:06:14,145 been able to get these search warrants shaken loose. 110 00:06:14,145 --> 00:06:16,522 And then it's that, it's that case that's been 111 00:06:16,522 --> 00:06:19,400 in the back of your mind talking to you. 112 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,152 And I almost clicked on 'em that first time and 113 00:06:21,152 --> 00:06:24,030 kind of hovered over the PDFs. 114 00:06:24,030 --> 00:06:25,907 Then, you know, I go back to the article a few more times 115 00:06:25,907 --> 00:06:28,284 over the next couple days... 116 00:06:28,284 --> 00:06:29,327 Sitting around by yourself thinking, 117 00:06:29,327 --> 00:06:30,661 is it like an addiction? 118 00:06:30,661 --> 00:06:32,747 You know, as journalism is, 119 00:06:32,747 --> 00:06:35,541 it's a nasty business and it's an awful addiction. 120 00:06:35,541 --> 00:06:37,501 And the highs you get from it will never, 121 00:06:37,501 --> 00:06:39,629 never make up for the lows and yet you keep doing it, 122 00:06:39,629 --> 00:06:41,923 you keep doing it over and over again. 123 00:06:41,923 --> 00:06:45,468 Finally, I clicked on that PDF... 124 00:06:45,468 --> 00:06:47,887 And I opened up these search warrants and I read 'em. 125 00:06:47,887 --> 00:06:49,972 ♪ 126 00:06:49,972 --> 00:06:54,185 I have never seen a single document come across my desk 127 00:06:54,185 --> 00:06:57,730 in my life that was as egregious and that was as 128 00:06:57,730 --> 00:07:00,775 raw an example of signals have been missed, 129 00:07:00,775 --> 00:07:04,028 bad jobs have been done, people have been hurt. 130 00:07:04,028 --> 00:07:06,864 ♪ 131 00:07:06,864 --> 00:07:09,909 Five years; that's how long it was from when 132 00:07:09,909 --> 00:07:11,744 Josh Wetzler was murdered until the bodies were 133 00:07:11,744 --> 00:07:13,913 found in Pazuzu's backyard. 134 00:07:13,913 --> 00:07:15,247 The search warrants proved that this case could have 135 00:07:15,247 --> 00:07:17,500 been solved within weeks of Josh's disappearance. 136 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:18,918 Where before we only had rumors, 137 00:07:18,918 --> 00:07:21,796 now I got hard facts. 138 00:07:21,796 --> 00:07:25,257 And I'm diving back into the Pazuzu story for one last piece. 139 00:07:25,257 --> 00:07:27,677 My hope is I can get this community some answers. 140 00:07:27,677 --> 00:07:31,430 I can find out why this happened in our hometown. 141 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:34,558 Out in these boonies, driving in the dark in 142 00:07:34,558 --> 00:07:37,144 Forsyth County out beyond where the street lights are, 143 00:07:37,144 --> 00:07:40,773 looking for Miss Terina Billings' house to speak to the 144 00:07:40,773 --> 00:07:44,318 first person that made contact with law enforcement, 145 00:07:44,318 --> 00:07:47,446 and that was Miss Terina Billings who reported 146 00:07:47,446 --> 00:07:50,157 that her father had helped bury someone, 147 00:07:50,157 --> 00:07:52,284 possibly Joshua Wetzler. 148 00:07:52,284 --> 00:07:55,287 ♪ 149 00:07:55,287 --> 00:07:57,623 I want to put a face to the name and see if there's any 150 00:07:57,623 --> 00:07:59,917 legit reason why the Sheriff's Department decided 151 00:07:59,917 --> 00:08:01,669 the witness statement wasn't credible enough 152 00:08:01,669 --> 00:08:03,254 to take seriously. 153 00:08:03,254 --> 00:08:05,047 ‐ Hi, Terina Billings? ‐ Yes. 154 00:08:05,047 --> 00:08:07,049 ‐ All right, nice to meet you. ‐ Nice to meet you. 155 00:08:07,049 --> 00:08:09,093 Why would your father be hanging out with someone 156 00:08:09,093 --> 00:08:12,596 like 40‐something‐year‐old... whatever the hell that was? 157 00:08:12,596 --> 00:08:15,349 He had just recently been through a divorce and 158 00:08:15,349 --> 00:08:17,184 started hanging out with Krystal Matlock, 159 00:08:17,184 --> 00:08:20,438 and I think they were kind of dating... 160 00:08:20,438 --> 00:08:23,357 ‐ Oh, I'm sorry. ‐ Yeah, so... 161 00:08:23,357 --> 00:08:26,944 He did whatever she wanted. I remember... 162 00:08:26,944 --> 00:08:29,447 He came in that night and he came in and 163 00:08:29,447 --> 00:08:32,032 sat down on the end of the couch, 164 00:08:32,032 --> 00:08:35,870 and he was being really weird, not really saying anything. 165 00:08:35,870 --> 00:08:38,664 And I remember he, like he had his hands like this, 166 00:08:38,664 --> 00:08:41,333 and he went like this, like he was smelling his hands, 167 00:08:41,333 --> 00:08:42,793 and I was like, "What is wrong with you? 168 00:08:42,793 --> 00:08:44,044 What are you doing?" 169 00:08:44,044 --> 00:08:49,133 And he asked me have I ever smelled death? 170 00:08:49,133 --> 00:08:52,553 I see you, I come in tonight ‐ you have a nice home, 171 00:08:52,553 --> 00:08:54,764 you're nice people, you have an 8‐year‐old. 172 00:08:54,764 --> 00:08:56,432 Doing your thing. 173 00:08:56,432 --> 00:08:57,558 Is that the same person I would have met 174 00:08:57,558 --> 00:08:59,268 if I'm a police officer in 2009? 175 00:08:59,268 --> 00:09:00,603 It's been 9 years. 176 00:09:00,603 --> 00:09:02,438 Yeah, except I was pregnant at that time. 177 00:09:02,438 --> 00:09:05,149 Clearly not, you know, suffering from the effects 178 00:09:05,149 --> 00:09:06,734 of any kind of drug habit, or... 179 00:09:06,734 --> 00:09:08,486 ‐ Nothing like that? ‐ (laughs) No. 180 00:09:08,486 --> 00:09:10,112 ‐ Did you go to college? ‐ I did. 181 00:09:10,112 --> 00:09:11,655 You have an education, job, career. 182 00:09:11,655 --> 00:09:13,282 Yeah. 183 00:09:13,282 --> 00:09:15,618 And, how did they treat you when you went in there? 184 00:09:15,618 --> 00:09:18,537 It was kind of really quick. It was only about 15 minutes 185 00:09:18,537 --> 00:09:21,248 that I was there speaking with them. 186 00:09:21,248 --> 00:09:22,833 They didn't really seem like they cared. 187 00:09:22,833 --> 00:09:25,252 They just jotted down 188 00:09:25,252 --> 00:09:28,631 parts of what I said and called it a day. 189 00:09:28,631 --> 00:09:31,300 I kind of forgot about all this, so... 190 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:33,427 Until years later when it popped up on the news and 191 00:09:33,427 --> 00:09:35,137 I was like, ah, I tried to tell 'em, 192 00:09:35,137 --> 00:09:36,806 but they didn't listen. 193 00:09:36,806 --> 00:09:41,811 I don't even like that my father was involved in it. 194 00:09:41,811 --> 00:09:45,356 Sorry. But, um... 195 00:09:45,356 --> 00:09:48,692 Like, when this did happen and I, like, 196 00:09:48,692 --> 00:09:51,112 found out about it when everybody was arrested, 197 00:09:51,112 --> 00:09:54,865 I was‐‐ I kind of‐‐ I was happy my dad had passed away 198 00:09:54,865 --> 00:09:58,786 'cause I knew he would be in prison right now for it, and... 199 00:09:58,786 --> 00:10:00,538 He wouldn't make it. 200 00:10:00,538 --> 00:10:03,582 ♪ 201 00:10:03,582 --> 00:10:05,459 I met a very together young woman. 202 00:10:05,459 --> 00:10:08,254 I met a young woman who is trying pretty hard to be the 203 00:10:08,254 --> 00:10:10,464 best that she can be and is raising a child, 204 00:10:10,464 --> 00:10:12,341 and I met a young woman was is very serious and 205 00:10:12,341 --> 00:10:16,762 who was very, very credible. 206 00:10:16,762 --> 00:10:20,057 I see no upside for her on going to law enforcement 207 00:10:20,057 --> 00:10:22,518 back then and telling them what her father had told her. 208 00:10:22,518 --> 00:10:25,187 She exposes her father to legal ramifications; 209 00:10:25,187 --> 00:10:27,273 she exposes her relationship with her father to, 210 00:10:27,273 --> 00:10:29,441 that could destroy that 'cause now she's done this, 211 00:10:29,441 --> 00:10:31,652 and she possibly exposed herself to physical danger 212 00:10:31,652 --> 00:10:33,445 because who knows what those people over on Knob Hill 213 00:10:33,445 --> 00:10:34,697 were gonna do because no one seemed to be 214 00:10:34,697 --> 00:10:36,073 laying a finger on 'em. 215 00:10:36,073 --> 00:10:38,784 ♪ 216 00:10:38,784 --> 00:10:41,453 With each shot I took, like I just wished that 217 00:10:41,453 --> 00:10:43,247 it would be the one that killed me. 218 00:10:43,247 --> 00:10:44,832 ♪ 219 00:10:44,832 --> 00:10:55,968 I just felt like dark. 220 00:10:55,968 --> 00:11:16,989 I just felt like dark. 221 00:11:16,989 --> 00:11:21,744 Well, the night when I was sitting in the parking lot, 222 00:11:21,744 --> 00:11:24,663 I just felt like dark. 223 00:11:24,663 --> 00:11:28,334 I didn't even feel like a person anymore. 224 00:11:28,334 --> 00:11:31,545 I felt like there was no light in my life. 225 00:11:31,545 --> 00:11:33,380 I guess I ended up doing, what, like, 226 00:11:33,380 --> 00:11:35,883 two grams within like an hour. 227 00:11:35,883 --> 00:11:40,179 ♪ 228 00:11:40,179 --> 00:11:43,057 With each shot I took, like, I just wished that... 229 00:11:43,057 --> 00:11:45,309 It would be the one that killed me. 230 00:11:45,309 --> 00:11:47,311 So, I figured... 231 00:11:47,311 --> 00:11:49,230 It was time to be done. 232 00:12:16,298 --> 00:12:19,385 When I went... I, like, 233 00:12:19,385 --> 00:12:22,888 procrastinated for like the entire hour, 234 00:12:22,888 --> 00:12:26,642 but like the last fifteen minutes, I just‐‐ 235 00:12:26,642 --> 00:12:29,436 He just asked what I'd been doing, and I was just like, 236 00:12:29,436 --> 00:12:32,648 "Well, I've been working on your Christmas present." 237 00:12:43,117 --> 00:12:47,538 So, I slapped a picture 238 00:12:47,538 --> 00:12:51,083 on the glass 'cause we were between glass, 239 00:12:51,083 --> 00:12:57,131 and I slapped a little abstract baby picture... 240 00:12:57,131 --> 00:13:00,050 This one, my little baby (laughs) 241 00:13:04,930 --> 00:13:07,391 He's kinda slow sometimes. Let him figure it out. 242 00:13:10,477 --> 00:13:11,812 It took him probably like five minutes and 243 00:13:11,812 --> 00:13:15,024 he was just like, "Are you serious?" 244 00:13:15,024 --> 00:13:17,067 I was like, "Yeah, I'm dead serious." 245 00:13:17,067 --> 00:13:19,695 And he's like, "We're gonna have a baby?" 246 00:13:19,695 --> 00:13:21,989 I was like, "Yeah... Gonna have a baby." 247 00:13:25,326 --> 00:13:28,620 May 17th, I went to detox, 248 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:31,332 and I woke up at 7 o'clock in the morning 249 00:13:31,332 --> 00:13:34,251 with a doctor in my face telling me I was pregnant. 250 00:13:34,251 --> 00:13:36,879 Five weeks pregnant. (laughs) 251 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:39,590 ♪ 252 00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:42,384 Two weeks after Pazuzu murders Josh Wetzler, 253 00:13:42,384 --> 00:13:44,178 Terina Billings goes to the police to tell them 254 00:13:44,178 --> 00:13:46,096 what her father told her about a murder. 255 00:13:46,096 --> 00:13:47,556 Now, you know, in my opinion, 256 00:13:47,556 --> 00:13:49,141 the unsealed warrants make it seem like what the 257 00:13:49,141 --> 00:13:52,019 Sheriff's Department did may have actually made things worse. 258 00:13:52,019 --> 00:13:53,687 Now, I decided to take the documents to an 259 00:13:53,687 --> 00:13:55,606 old buddy of mine who's a retired detective. 260 00:13:55,606 --> 00:13:57,399 He was actually on the force for 30 years and 261 00:13:57,399 --> 00:14:01,111 his perspective in this case is gonna be critical. 262 00:14:01,111 --> 00:14:05,157 Application for search warrant. 263 00:14:05,157 --> 00:14:08,243 On August the 4th, Foster goes to the location 264 00:14:08,243 --> 00:14:10,954 and actually talks to Pazuzu. 265 00:14:10,954 --> 00:14:12,998 He just says he went there and at some point, 266 00:14:12,998 --> 00:14:16,752 the detective did tell him that he'd received information 267 00:14:16,752 --> 00:14:20,089 from several individuals that Pazuzu had shot and 268 00:14:20,089 --> 00:14:21,507 killed someone in his basement and 269 00:14:21,507 --> 00:14:23,425 buried the body in the backyard. 270 00:14:23,425 --> 00:14:25,886 I don't know that I would have told all that right then. 271 00:14:25,886 --> 00:14:27,179 Mhm? 272 00:14:27,179 --> 00:14:28,847 I would've found some other reason. 273 00:14:28,847 --> 00:14:31,225 I'd 'a wanted to get in the house or walk through the yard. 274 00:14:31,225 --> 00:14:35,771 I'd want to make some observations because 275 00:14:35,771 --> 00:14:37,106 if he says, "I don't know what you're talking about. 276 00:14:37,106 --> 00:14:39,650 Get off my property and stay off," then, 277 00:14:39,650 --> 00:14:41,110 you're shot in the foot. 278 00:14:41,110 --> 00:14:42,653 I would 'a probably just come up with something. 279 00:14:42,653 --> 00:14:46,115 Somebody says you're growing weed in the backyard and... 280 00:14:46,115 --> 00:14:48,033 that way, then maybe he would have said, 281 00:14:48,033 --> 00:14:50,035 you know, especially if that's not true, he's gonna say, 282 00:14:50,035 --> 00:14:51,787 "I ain't growing no weed back there. You can go look." 283 00:14:51,787 --> 00:14:53,455 That's what I want. 284 00:14:53,455 --> 00:14:56,708 I want him to give me that access so that I'm looking 285 00:14:56,708 --> 00:14:59,795 for these other things, like a body or a mound of dirt, 286 00:14:59,795 --> 00:15:02,339 freshly dug hole or something. 287 00:15:02,339 --> 00:15:04,800 So, you know, and they can lie to him. 288 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,802 I would probably take a look, 289 00:15:06,802 --> 00:15:10,389 continue to gather information from sources, 290 00:15:10,389 --> 00:15:13,225 and then at some other time, once I was just about ready 291 00:15:13,225 --> 00:15:15,352 to get a search warrant or had the search warrant, 292 00:15:15,352 --> 00:15:16,770 then I might would have gone out there 293 00:15:16,770 --> 00:15:19,189 before executing the search warrant and said, 294 00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:23,235 "Now guess what your neighbors are‐‐ or people are saying?" 295 00:15:23,235 --> 00:15:24,820 Next is‐‐ 296 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:26,905 So you got February 9, 2010. 297 00:15:26,905 --> 00:15:29,116 You got the two Crime Stoppers tips that came in. 298 00:15:29,116 --> 00:15:31,034 So, right here is a missed opportunity. 299 00:15:31,034 --> 00:15:32,119 Yes, sir. 300 00:15:32,119 --> 00:15:34,538 And then also on that date... 301 00:15:34,538 --> 00:15:38,292 Looks like the detective spoke with Stacey Carter. 302 00:15:38,292 --> 00:15:39,751 Are you telling me‐‐ Wait, wait, wait... 303 00:15:39,751 --> 00:15:42,880 That on the same day that I went and reported Josh 304 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,965 missing and told them that he was buried 305 00:15:44,965 --> 00:15:48,218 in Pazuzu's yard ‐ on the same day ‐ 306 00:15:48,218 --> 00:15:50,512 they had reports about Tommy's murder? 307 00:15:50,512 --> 00:15:52,848 The police department did. The police department did. 308 00:15:52,848 --> 00:15:54,474 I had no idea! 309 00:15:54,474 --> 00:15:57,853 I still thought they were gonna think I was crazy. 310 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,318 ♪ 311 00:16:04,318 --> 00:16:06,528 Oh my God. I want to throw up. 312 00:16:06,528 --> 00:16:11,867 Like... Nobody told me this. 313 00:16:11,867 --> 00:16:13,535 ‐ I know. ‐ I had no idea. 314 00:16:13,535 --> 00:16:16,538 This makes me nauseous. 315 00:16:16,538 --> 00:16:19,416 I had never heard of Pazuzu until February, 316 00:16:19,416 --> 00:16:21,793 and that's when I went to the police. 317 00:16:21,793 --> 00:16:26,173 And, nobody ever told me that they had already 318 00:16:26,173 --> 00:16:28,592 received reports of this happening. 319 00:16:28,592 --> 00:16:31,595 I just feel like the whole case was just botched 320 00:16:31,595 --> 00:16:33,180 over and over again. 321 00:16:33,180 --> 00:16:34,514 Since when do you just be like, 322 00:16:34,514 --> 00:16:35,849 "Oh, hey, did you kill somebody?" 323 00:16:35,849 --> 00:16:37,517 "Nope. I didn't do it." "Okay, cool." 324 00:16:37,517 --> 00:16:40,562 Like, that's not how it works, right? 325 00:16:40,562 --> 00:16:43,899 Then, February the 23rd, based on all of this information 326 00:16:43,899 --> 00:16:46,360 that he applies for and is given a search warrant. 327 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,612 So, they do that search and they find nothing. 328 00:16:48,612 --> 00:16:50,113 Right. 329 00:16:50,113 --> 00:16:56,536 ♪ 330 00:16:56,536 --> 00:16:58,789 This is the interesting part: "Lieutenant Foster consulted 331 00:16:58,789 --> 00:17:00,999 North Carolina State University 332 00:17:00,999 --> 00:17:03,252 about potentially utilizing their equipment to 333 00:17:03,252 --> 00:17:05,420 assist with the search. 334 00:17:05,420 --> 00:17:07,464 Dr. Oliver's crew was currently about to begin 335 00:17:07,464 --> 00:17:10,509 another project and their services could not be 336 00:17:10,509 --> 00:17:12,970 retained until at least two weeks. 337 00:17:12,970 --> 00:17:15,764 It is noteworthy to mention that Dr. Oliver had 338 00:17:15,764 --> 00:17:18,850 mentioned to Lieutenant Foster the cadaver dogs 339 00:17:18,850 --> 00:17:21,186 may or may not be able to detect a buried body 340 00:17:21,186 --> 00:17:23,522 with the given circumstances. 341 00:17:23,522 --> 00:17:24,982 The Forsyth County Sheriff's Office, 342 00:17:24,982 --> 00:17:27,901 as an agency, decided that this investigation 343 00:17:27,901 --> 00:17:30,696 cannot wait to the above stated time and 344 00:17:30,696 --> 00:17:32,906 decided to proceed with cadaver dogs." 345 00:17:32,906 --> 00:17:35,367 The irony. They couldn't wait two weeks, 346 00:17:35,367 --> 00:17:37,286 so we had to wait five years. 347 00:17:37,286 --> 00:17:39,580 ♪ 348 00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:43,542 On November the 8th, 2011, 349 00:17:43,542 --> 00:17:46,003 Cynthia James came to the Sheriff, 350 00:17:46,003 --> 00:17:47,629 Forsyth County Sheriff's Office and 351 00:17:47,629 --> 00:17:50,048 requested to speak with a detective about a murder that 352 00:17:50,048 --> 00:17:53,885 occurred at her residence, 2749 Knob Hill Drive. 353 00:17:53,885 --> 00:17:57,389 Cynthia told Detective Amons that she heard a gunshot and 354 00:17:57,389 --> 00:18:00,684 went to the area where she heard the gunshot and 355 00:18:00,684 --> 00:18:04,438 observed Amber holding the rifle and the Tommy subject 356 00:18:04,438 --> 00:18:06,398 slumped over on the couch. 357 00:18:06,398 --> 00:18:08,150 And wouldn't that get your‐‐ I mean, even if you've 358 00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:11,528 done a search there and you came up goose egg, 359 00:18:11,528 --> 00:18:12,863 somebody tells me that a murder took place ‐ 360 00:18:12,863 --> 00:18:14,740 somebody's mom tells me. 361 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:19,620 And they didn't do anything? 362 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:22,831 And... Is there a reason? 363 00:18:22,831 --> 00:18:27,669 So, I asked that question. We know that Pazuzu was 364 00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:31,298 convicted of assaulting his mother and we also know that 365 00:18:31,298 --> 00:18:34,384 Amber Burch was convicted of assaulting his mother, 366 00:18:34,384 --> 00:18:36,261 in two different incidents. 367 00:18:36,261 --> 00:18:37,971 Amber Burch had been arrested that previous night, 368 00:18:37,971 --> 00:18:40,641 November 7, 2011, for domestic assault, 369 00:18:40,641 --> 00:18:42,476 and she was at the jail. 370 00:18:42,476 --> 00:18:44,394 "Cynthia thought the information she gave us 371 00:18:44,394 --> 00:18:46,980 would be enough to charge Amber with murder and became 372 00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:49,566 upset when we told her we still needed additional evidence." 373 00:18:49,566 --> 00:18:50,942 Since you're the owner of the house, 374 00:18:50,942 --> 00:18:52,861 would you allow us to search the house? 375 00:18:52,861 --> 00:18:54,863 ‐ Yes. ‐ And she said no. 376 00:18:54,863 --> 00:18:56,823 Okay, what did they do with that information? 377 00:18:56,823 --> 00:18:58,659 It looks like they didn't do anything with the information. 378 00:18:58,659 --> 00:19:00,994 Nothing! I mean, that's negligence. 379 00:19:00,994 --> 00:19:04,539 It's got to be. I mean... 380 00:19:04,539 --> 00:19:06,375 Or they just didn't care. 381 00:19:06,375 --> 00:19:10,170 ♪ 382 00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:13,173 So, I contacted Cynthia to see if she would speak to me, 383 00:19:13,173 --> 00:19:15,550 and really did not think that she would, 384 00:19:15,550 --> 00:19:17,302 but she did. 385 00:19:17,302 --> 00:19:18,887 ‐ Hi. ‐ Hello, hi. 386 00:19:18,887 --> 00:19:20,972 When he killed Josh, what was that? 387 00:19:20,972 --> 00:19:27,187 That was a dark side. 388 00:19:27,187 --> 00:19:30,273 ♪ 389 00:19:30,273 --> 00:19:32,109 As soon as the Sheriff's Department discovered bodies 390 00:19:32,109 --> 00:19:33,902 in her backyard, Pazuzu's mother Cynthia, 391 00:19:33,902 --> 00:19:35,862 she'd been something of cipher. 392 00:19:35,862 --> 00:19:37,656 She's managed to stay out of the papers and 393 00:19:37,656 --> 00:19:40,409 nobody's been able to figure out where she was. 394 00:19:40,409 --> 00:19:41,785 She won't talk about the murders; 395 00:19:41,785 --> 00:19:43,328 she won't talk about her son assaulting her; 396 00:19:43,328 --> 00:19:45,163 she won't talk about anything. 397 00:19:45,163 --> 00:19:47,332 You know, now, Tim Wooten helped me track her down, 398 00:19:47,332 --> 00:19:49,751 and like so many of other people close to Pazuzu though 399 00:19:49,751 --> 00:19:51,878 she really didn't want to talk to me. 400 00:19:51,878 --> 00:19:53,505 I had an idea though that she might talk 401 00:19:53,505 --> 00:19:55,382 to Ms. Stacey Carter. 402 00:19:55,382 --> 00:20:01,388 ♪ 403 00:20:01,388 --> 00:20:04,599 So, I contacted Cynthia to see if she would speak to me, 404 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:07,060 and really did not think that she would, 405 00:20:07,060 --> 00:20:09,396 but she did agree to meet me. 406 00:20:09,396 --> 00:20:12,441 So, my intention in going and seeing her was 407 00:20:12,441 --> 00:20:16,570 not so much to, to shame her, or blame her, or... 408 00:20:16,570 --> 00:20:19,740 or to get mad. 409 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:22,743 I just want to know the whole story. 410 00:20:22,743 --> 00:20:24,745 (knocks) 411 00:20:24,745 --> 00:20:32,002 (rainfall) 412 00:20:32,002 --> 00:20:33,170 (creaking door) 413 00:20:33,170 --> 00:20:35,172 ‐ Hi. ‐ Oh, hi. 414 00:20:35,172 --> 00:20:37,799 ‐ Stacey. ‐ Stacey, nice to meet you. 415 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:40,135 Nice to meet you. 416 00:20:40,135 --> 00:20:43,847 ♪ (clock chime) ♪ 417 00:20:43,847 --> 00:20:45,474 ‐ How's your son? ‐ He's good. 418 00:20:45,474 --> 00:20:51,813 Yeah, he's... He's 13 now, so... 419 00:20:51,813 --> 00:20:54,149 Yeah. Growing up fast. 420 00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:56,860 They, they do. They‐‐ Once they hit teenagers, 421 00:20:56,860 --> 00:20:59,696 it's like, where does the time go? 422 00:20:59,696 --> 00:21:01,698 Yeah, um... 423 00:21:01,698 --> 00:21:04,743 People keep asking me, like, "What was Josh doing there?" 424 00:21:04,743 --> 00:21:06,745 And I was, I just, I didn't know. 425 00:21:06,745 --> 00:21:08,371 I didn't know they were friends. 426 00:21:08,371 --> 00:21:11,625 I had never heard of Paz until, you know, well after that. 427 00:21:11,625 --> 00:21:13,293 Right. 428 00:21:13,293 --> 00:21:17,005 So, I was curious, you know, about why he was there, 429 00:21:17,005 --> 00:21:21,968 and you know, especially like what their relationship was. 430 00:21:21,968 --> 00:21:24,387 They were just friends, as far as I knew. 431 00:21:24,387 --> 00:21:27,182 Liked the same music... 432 00:21:27,182 --> 00:21:30,894 And I think Josh, we had just a little grill and 433 00:21:30,894 --> 00:21:33,104 I think he cooked, grilled. 434 00:21:33,104 --> 00:21:35,941 That definitely sounds like Josh, grilling and music, yeah. 435 00:21:35,941 --> 00:21:37,400 ‐ Yeah, yes. ‐ Yeah. 436 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,694 And Josh would come over and sometimes... 437 00:21:39,694 --> 00:21:41,905 John would say, well, "You know, 438 00:21:41,905 --> 00:21:44,032 he don't have anywhere to stay tonight," or 439 00:21:44,032 --> 00:21:45,700 they've turned his heat off or something... 440 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:46,827 Yeah. 441 00:21:46,827 --> 00:21:48,411 And, "Can he sleep on the couch?" 442 00:21:48,411 --> 00:21:51,248 So, I didn't have a problem with it 'cause I, 443 00:21:51,248 --> 00:21:54,417 I enjoyed John having friends. 444 00:21:54,417 --> 00:21:59,005 ‐ Yeah. ‐ And people coming over. 445 00:21:59,005 --> 00:22:02,592 But when he killed Josh, what was that? 446 00:22:02,592 --> 00:22:05,762 I mean was that, that was a dark side. Like, that was‐‐ 447 00:22:05,762 --> 00:22:08,515 That was something‐‐ That was the dark side and 448 00:22:08,515 --> 00:22:12,185 that was something that came out of him that 449 00:22:12,185 --> 00:22:13,979 I don't know where it came from. 450 00:22:13,979 --> 00:22:16,398 ♪ 451 00:22:16,398 --> 00:22:18,191 I really honestly think that he just didn't know 452 00:22:18,191 --> 00:22:20,026 what he was doing. 453 00:22:20,026 --> 00:22:23,697 ♪ 454 00:22:23,697 --> 00:22:26,700 Ah, best I can recall when the incident happened, 455 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:31,872 I was getting ready for work and I just hear all this noise, 456 00:22:31,872 --> 00:22:35,166 sounded like firecrackers and it was in July, so, 457 00:22:35,166 --> 00:22:38,253 you know, I thought, it could be firecrackers. 458 00:22:38,253 --> 00:22:42,966 So, I came out of my room and John... 459 00:22:42,966 --> 00:22:47,637 He was not himself. He was on drugs, or... 460 00:22:47,637 --> 00:22:50,140 Alcohol, or both probably. 461 00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:54,519 And I didn't even know that he owned a gun. 462 00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:58,773 And, I don't know; he didn't even know what he was doing. 463 00:22:58,773 --> 00:23:00,650 He did not know what he was doing. 464 00:23:00,650 --> 00:23:01,776 Why do you think he did it? 465 00:23:01,776 --> 00:23:03,153 Were they fighting about something? 466 00:23:03,153 --> 00:23:07,574 No, it was just all so quick, and... 467 00:23:07,574 --> 00:23:12,078 I'm trying to take care of John and here's Josh 468 00:23:12,078 --> 00:23:15,415 lying on the floor, and I gotta protect my son and 469 00:23:15,415 --> 00:23:17,626 I'm freaking out and I don't know what to do, 470 00:23:17,626 --> 00:23:20,045 and I had to get out of the house and he's got this gun, 471 00:23:20,045 --> 00:23:22,964 so I thought he could shoot me. 472 00:23:22,964 --> 00:23:24,341 Had he threatened you before? 473 00:23:24,341 --> 00:23:27,344 No. No, I mean, you know, 474 00:23:27,344 --> 00:23:34,809 all parents have arguments and don't agree. 475 00:23:34,809 --> 00:23:37,228 So, then, how about after that? I mean... 476 00:23:37,228 --> 00:23:39,147 I didn't know what to do. I just‐‐ 477 00:23:39,147 --> 00:23:41,983 Did you know what they'd done with him? 478 00:23:41,983 --> 00:23:46,196 Yes. John was just so... 479 00:23:46,196 --> 00:23:51,034 freaked out after he became coherent that I guess 480 00:23:51,034 --> 00:23:55,705 he didn't know what else to do but to bury him. 481 00:23:55,705 --> 00:23:58,333 And I want people, other people, to know that, 482 00:23:58,333 --> 00:24:00,377 yes, John had some mental problems, 483 00:24:00,377 --> 00:24:03,964 but he was wasn't a bad guy. 484 00:24:03,964 --> 00:24:07,801 ♪ 485 00:24:07,801 --> 00:24:10,136 They diagnosed him as being agoraphobic, 486 00:24:10,136 --> 00:24:12,722 Schizophrenic, psychotic. 487 00:24:12,722 --> 00:24:17,185 And, that's when, you know, I started getting help for him. 488 00:24:17,185 --> 00:24:20,105 But to continue with the psychiatrists and so forth 489 00:24:20,105 --> 00:24:22,065 takes a lot of money. 490 00:24:22,065 --> 00:24:25,986 ♪ 491 00:24:25,986 --> 00:24:29,572 It just, it's hard to match this person who's your son 492 00:24:29,572 --> 00:24:33,702 that you love so much and did so much for, 493 00:24:33,702 --> 00:24:35,495 and how you saw him with the view that the 494 00:24:35,495 --> 00:24:38,373 rest of the world has, you know? 495 00:24:38,373 --> 00:24:39,749 You gotta remember the good things. 496 00:24:39,749 --> 00:24:41,459 Yeah. 497 00:24:41,459 --> 00:24:44,838 Yeah, and I block out any of the bad things, you know. 498 00:24:44,838 --> 00:24:49,843 He, he wasn't by any means... 499 00:24:49,843 --> 00:24:53,221 an angel, but he sure wasn't a bad person or 500 00:24:53,221 --> 00:24:56,850 a boogeyman or whatever... 501 00:24:56,850 --> 00:25:00,603 phrases people have called him. 502 00:25:00,603 --> 00:25:03,690 I know you've got a long way to go back home. 503 00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:06,735 I just wanted to thank you again for coming, and... 504 00:25:06,735 --> 00:25:10,155 ‐ Thank you. ‐ Hug. 505 00:25:10,155 --> 00:25:12,657 You know, my perception of Cynthia is that she's somebody 506 00:25:12,657 --> 00:25:16,494 who's very disconnected and kind of shut down. 507 00:25:16,494 --> 00:25:20,206 I feel like at some point she was being terrorized, 508 00:25:20,206 --> 00:25:24,169 and she didn't want to admit it that she was afraid of her son. 509 00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:29,674 I don't know... Do I forgive Cynthia? 510 00:25:29,674 --> 00:25:34,304 Um... Yes and no. 511 00:25:34,304 --> 00:25:39,059 I have compassion for Cynthia and I'm sympathetic towards her. 512 00:25:39,059 --> 00:25:42,228 As a community, we've gotta be prepared to reach into 513 00:25:42,228 --> 00:25:45,899 that darkness and help somebody out. 514 00:25:45,899 --> 00:25:49,944 It's a failure on society that she wasn't able to 515 00:25:49,944 --> 00:25:55,492 reach out and have help coming at her from all directions. 516 00:25:55,492 --> 00:25:58,787 However, you know, 517 00:25:58,787 --> 00:26:00,997 she did some things that were unforgivable. 518 00:26:00,997 --> 00:26:06,336 I mean, she saw Josh die. 519 00:26:06,336 --> 00:26:11,800 And, she... let it be covered up. 520 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,344 It could have stopped there. 521 00:26:14,344 --> 00:26:16,596 I think it's hard to imagine, you know, 522 00:26:16,596 --> 00:26:20,100 your own child doing something like that, you know. 523 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:24,229 ♪ 524 00:26:24,229 --> 00:26:29,567 This is John, my baby. He was about 12. 525 00:26:29,567 --> 00:26:33,655 Looks a little bit like me, don't you think? 526 00:26:33,655 --> 00:26:38,493 This is the day he was born, chubby little guy. 527 00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:42,080 And here's my little warrior again. 528 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,958 I think her heart is, is broken, 529 00:26:44,958 --> 00:26:47,544 irreparably broken. 530 00:26:47,544 --> 00:26:50,463 I mean, I don't think she's got a happy ending. 531 00:26:50,463 --> 00:26:53,633 ♪ (ticking clock) ♪ 532 00:26:53,633 --> 00:26:56,010 And here's one of his teddy bears... 533 00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:59,264 ♪ (music box) ♪ 534 00:26:59,264 --> 00:27:02,142 ...That we put in the crib with him. 535 00:27:02,142 --> 00:27:04,144 (laughs) 536 00:27:04,144 --> 00:27:09,232 ♪ 537 00:27:09,232 --> 00:27:12,277 I just want to have good memories of my son. 538 00:27:12,277 --> 00:27:17,365 ♪ 539 00:27:17,365 --> 00:27:19,033 And when I called and I said, 540 00:27:19,033 --> 00:27:21,578 "Look, my son went out last night and he didn't come back." 541 00:27:21,578 --> 00:27:24,247 And they told me, you know, to go look in the ditch. 542 00:27:24,247 --> 00:27:27,458 And it's like... It's just another dead one gone. 543 00:27:27,458 --> 00:27:34,007 Another dead black one gone. 544 00:27:34,007 --> 00:27:38,386 ♪ 545 00:27:38,386 --> 00:27:40,680 The way I see it, there are real consequences resulted 546 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,184 from the poor police work revealed in that search warrant. 547 00:27:45,184 --> 00:27:47,228 But perhaps the most tragic thing about it is, 548 00:27:47,228 --> 00:27:49,230 it's possible that the murder of Joseph Chandler ‐ 549 00:27:49,230 --> 00:27:51,232 who we still really don't even know that much about ‐ 550 00:27:51,232 --> 00:27:53,192 could have been avoided. 551 00:27:53,192 --> 00:28:01,326 ♪ 552 00:28:01,326 --> 00:28:02,869 By the time they find Joseph Chandler down by the 553 00:28:02,869 --> 00:28:04,579 Yadkin River, there's two guys that have been 554 00:28:04,579 --> 00:28:06,289 in that backyard for almost a year. 555 00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:07,999 There were multiple opportunities. 556 00:28:07,999 --> 00:28:09,167 Law enforcement could have interdicted here and 557 00:28:09,167 --> 00:28:11,044 probably saved her son's life. 558 00:28:11,044 --> 00:28:13,546 He never has to even meet these people. 559 00:28:13,546 --> 00:28:16,049 Adding insult to injury, the crime that took 560 00:28:16,049 --> 00:28:17,592 her son's life was all but dismissed 561 00:28:17,592 --> 00:28:19,260 by the justice system. I mean, look at it: 562 00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:21,638 Rizzi was given 16 months' time served. 563 00:28:21,638 --> 00:28:23,932 Pazuzu was let loose on probation. 564 00:28:23,932 --> 00:28:25,767 I'd like to meet with Ms. Chandler to find out 565 00:28:25,767 --> 00:28:27,852 why she thinks that she and her son were 566 00:28:27,852 --> 00:28:30,271 so easily dismissed by the system. 567 00:28:30,271 --> 00:28:31,940 And when I called and I said, 568 00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:35,944 "Look, my son is 30 years old, and he... he's... 569 00:28:35,944 --> 00:28:38,154 He went out last night and he didn't come back." 570 00:28:38,154 --> 00:28:40,073 They told me to look in the ditch. 571 00:28:40,073 --> 00:28:43,493 I told them I'm going out there to look for my son, 572 00:28:43,493 --> 00:28:46,329 and they told me, you know, to go look in the ditch. 573 00:28:46,329 --> 00:28:47,956 And it's like... 574 00:28:47,956 --> 00:28:50,333 He's just another dead one gone; 575 00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:52,126 that's the way I see it. 576 00:28:52,126 --> 00:28:54,128 And when you say, "dead one"? 577 00:28:54,128 --> 00:28:58,383 Another dead black one gone. (laughs) 578 00:28:58,383 --> 00:29:01,219 It was about 12:30 when they came down the hill 579 00:29:01,219 --> 00:29:03,763 in their little black car. (laughs) 580 00:29:03,763 --> 00:29:07,100 And they said, "Ms. Chandler, we found your son," 581 00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:09,811 you know, and I just... 582 00:29:09,811 --> 00:29:11,437 Fell down on the floor. 583 00:29:11,437 --> 00:29:13,606 ♪ 584 00:29:13,606 --> 00:29:16,109 I got in here and I screamed and I cried, 585 00:29:16,109 --> 00:29:17,652 and I just threw myself in the shower, 586 00:29:17,652 --> 00:29:19,696 said, "Lord, you gotta help me. 587 00:29:19,696 --> 00:29:22,532 Humble me. Take the hate out of my heart." 588 00:29:22,532 --> 00:29:24,867 I wanted to kill the people that hurt my son. 589 00:29:24,867 --> 00:29:27,328 And it took me almost... 590 00:29:27,328 --> 00:29:30,540 5, 6 years to be where I'm at right now. 591 00:29:30,540 --> 00:29:33,042 How did law enforcement, and then, 592 00:29:33,042 --> 00:29:35,003 even the DA's office and folks treat you 593 00:29:35,003 --> 00:29:37,338 up through the trial, the arrest and all that? 594 00:29:37,338 --> 00:29:38,840 They were always, 595 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,049 "We'll call you when we're gonna have the trial." 596 00:29:40,049 --> 00:29:42,010 That's all I ever heard. 597 00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:45,054 I'm still lost in the dark about a whole lot of stuff. 598 00:29:45,054 --> 00:29:46,389 Have you ever seen the search warrants? 599 00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:48,433 Do you mind if I show you? 600 00:29:48,433 --> 00:29:55,189 ♪ 601 00:29:55,189 --> 00:29:56,858 I'm having a little panic attack. 602 00:29:56,858 --> 00:30:01,320 When my heart starts pumping real hard... 603 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,905 it's hard to breathe. 604 00:30:02,905 --> 00:30:04,907 So, the more you keep talking, 605 00:30:04,907 --> 00:30:08,411 it just hash up a lot of stuff and it's like... 606 00:30:08,411 --> 00:30:12,832 (sighs) 607 00:30:12,832 --> 00:30:16,502 I knew it was a lot of wrongdoings everywhere. 608 00:30:16,502 --> 00:30:19,881 I just couldn't pinpoint; I had nobody to help me. 609 00:30:19,881 --> 00:30:21,466 I had no voice. 610 00:30:21,466 --> 00:30:25,094 So, who killed Joseph? Him or Nicholas? 611 00:30:25,094 --> 00:30:26,721 I don't know. 612 00:30:26,721 --> 00:30:28,222 And the judge, one of the quotes from the judge is, 613 00:30:28,222 --> 00:30:29,724 "Why in the middle of the night would you be out 614 00:30:29,724 --> 00:30:31,559 target practicing or messing with a rifle? 615 00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:33,144 It's still a mystery to me." 616 00:30:33,144 --> 00:30:36,564 It wasn't a mystery when you take a black... 617 00:30:36,564 --> 00:30:41,194 man at, out to Yadkin River. 618 00:30:41,194 --> 00:30:43,821 You don't know him, he don't know you; 619 00:30:43,821 --> 00:30:46,657 that wasn't a target practice for the water. 620 00:30:46,657 --> 00:30:49,577 That was a target practice for my son. 621 00:30:49,577 --> 00:30:52,455 As a young boy growing up, he didn't fit in. 622 00:30:52,455 --> 00:30:56,167 Children was always hitting him and calling him names, 623 00:30:56,167 --> 00:30:57,877 and he just felt out of place; 624 00:30:57,877 --> 00:30:59,796 that's what his whole life was about. 625 00:30:59,796 --> 00:31:01,881 Somebody was always jumping on him, 626 00:31:01,881 --> 00:31:04,842 so when he became a teenager he met other people and, 627 00:31:04,842 --> 00:31:07,553 you know, then the bad boys came. 628 00:31:07,553 --> 00:31:15,186 ♪ 629 00:31:15,186 --> 00:31:17,313 My son was 30 years old. 630 00:31:17,313 --> 00:31:20,399 I saw great potential and I saw him going places. 631 00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:22,235 He joined culinary school. 632 00:31:22,235 --> 00:31:25,738 He was trying to get his life together. 633 00:31:25,738 --> 00:31:27,532 One of the things that kind of keeps coming back to me 634 00:31:27,532 --> 00:31:30,660 with this is the notion of parenthood. 635 00:31:30,660 --> 00:31:32,787 And as, during this whole process my children have 636 00:31:32,787 --> 00:31:34,956 gotten older, and I'm starting to go through 637 00:31:34,956 --> 00:31:37,750 stuff with my kids. You feel... 638 00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:40,336 one of them, you know, just kind of slipping away and 639 00:31:40,336 --> 00:31:42,672 hanging out, doing with people you shouldn't be 640 00:31:42,672 --> 00:31:44,423 hanging out with, the same kind of people that ended up 641 00:31:44,423 --> 00:31:48,136 over there at Knob Hill, at Pazuzu's house. 642 00:31:48,136 --> 00:31:49,887 My son's headed right there. 643 00:31:49,887 --> 00:31:53,891 I feel you. My heart is going out to you. 644 00:31:53,891 --> 00:31:56,018 I really don't know what to say right now, 645 00:31:56,018 --> 00:31:59,564 is that you gotta be strong. Spend more time with him. 646 00:31:59,564 --> 00:32:01,649 Yeah. 647 00:32:01,649 --> 00:32:04,443 Do more father and son things with your son. 648 00:32:04,443 --> 00:32:08,865 Yes, ma'am. Thank you. 649 00:32:08,865 --> 00:32:11,909 Okay. You're welcome. You're gonna be fine. 650 00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:15,037 ‐ Thanks for the time. ‐ You're gonna be fine. 651 00:32:15,037 --> 00:32:17,665 You're gonna be fine. You take control. 652 00:32:17,665 --> 00:32:19,917 Don't feed into the people out there. 653 00:32:19,917 --> 00:32:22,670 I won't. And, please take care of yourself. 654 00:32:22,670 --> 00:32:24,922 Oh, I'm doing that. But you're gonna be fine. 655 00:32:24,922 --> 00:32:28,342 Take hold of your son, honey. I wish I had one more. 656 00:32:28,342 --> 00:32:38,477 ♪ 657 00:32:38,477 --> 00:32:40,396 I used to fantasize about, like, you know, 658 00:32:40,396 --> 00:32:42,273 getting a crew together with guns and 659 00:32:42,273 --> 00:32:45,067 going over and killing Pazuzu ourselves. 660 00:32:45,067 --> 00:32:46,485 You could have saved two lives. 661 00:32:46,485 --> 00:32:53,951 I've always been a coward. 662 00:32:53,951 --> 00:32:57,413 ♪ 663 00:32:57,413 --> 00:33:00,416 In a lot of ways, when I got locked up, um... 664 00:33:00,416 --> 00:33:01,959 It was a relief. 665 00:33:01,959 --> 00:33:05,421 I needed to be locked up, honestly, to get clean. 666 00:33:05,421 --> 00:33:14,764 ♪ 667 00:33:14,764 --> 00:33:18,309 I got out of prison. I've been clean 6 months. 668 00:33:18,309 --> 00:33:20,561 On and off heroin for nine years. 669 00:33:20,561 --> 00:33:21,604 ♪ 670 00:33:25,816 --> 00:33:28,319 I've been busy as hell, ah... 671 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:31,239 Just, you know, going to doctors, 672 00:33:31,239 --> 00:33:36,452 psychiatrists, substance abuse group meetings. 673 00:33:36,452 --> 00:33:40,206 The one major goal that I really have is just being a father. 674 00:33:40,206 --> 00:33:45,127 ♪ 675 00:33:45,127 --> 00:33:48,673 I want to be a good father. 676 00:33:48,673 --> 00:33:50,424 When they told me I was pregnant, 677 00:33:50,424 --> 00:33:55,805 I kind of went through like a 3 or 4‐day shock where 678 00:33:55,805 --> 00:33:58,975 I realized, like, wow, yeah, I'm really gonna have to 679 00:33:58,975 --> 00:34:02,270 give this up, and not just give it up for like a little while. 680 00:34:02,270 --> 00:34:04,563 I have to give it up for like the rest of my life. 681 00:34:04,563 --> 00:34:06,774 ♪ 682 00:34:06,774 --> 00:34:09,443 I don't know, my, my feelings towards Jenna 683 00:34:09,443 --> 00:34:14,657 are complicated. I still love her deeply. 684 00:34:14,657 --> 00:34:18,619 Me and Nate are still in love. 685 00:34:18,619 --> 00:34:20,579 It's just complicated. 686 00:34:20,579 --> 00:34:22,540 ♪ 687 00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:26,294 We're going to see if maybe we can become a family, 688 00:34:26,294 --> 00:34:30,464 like, an actual like living together, 689 00:34:30,464 --> 00:34:34,051 mommy, daddy, baby family. 690 00:34:34,051 --> 00:34:36,929 Or, if we're gonna have to be an alternative family and 691 00:34:36,929 --> 00:34:40,349 maybe live separately and co‐parent. 692 00:34:40,349 --> 00:34:43,853 ♪ 693 00:34:43,853 --> 00:34:46,647 Okay, so, your due date is January 1st, 694 00:34:46,647 --> 00:34:50,276 which makes you 30 weeks and 6 days today, okay. 695 00:34:50,276 --> 00:34:52,153 All right, you see that little flutter right there? 696 00:34:52,153 --> 00:34:54,655 ‐ Mhm. ‐ That's baby's heartbeat. 697 00:34:54,655 --> 00:35:00,411 (heartbeat) 698 00:35:00,411 --> 00:35:03,581 He's awake. 699 00:35:03,581 --> 00:35:05,041 All right, I'm just gonna jiggle him up, okay. 700 00:35:05,041 --> 00:35:06,626 (laughs) 701 00:35:06,626 --> 00:35:09,837 When you press on him does he usually move? 702 00:35:09,837 --> 00:35:13,090 Ah, yeah. Or jiggle him around, or... (laughs) 703 00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:14,342 We're gonna have to get him to move, okay. 704 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,564 JANET: From your medicine... 705 00:35:32,777 --> 00:35:34,570 I feel guilty. 706 00:35:34,570 --> 00:35:38,366 I take Subutex now, which is a 707 00:35:38,366 --> 00:35:41,118 mono‐ingredient, shall we say, 708 00:35:41,118 --> 00:35:46,499 of Suboxone, ah, for pregnant women. 709 00:35:46,499 --> 00:35:50,586 It's just missing the ingredient that harms a fetus. 710 00:35:50,586 --> 00:35:56,133 Unfortunately, the baby will‐‐ Well, it's highly possible 711 00:35:56,133 --> 00:35:59,136 that the baby will go through withdrawals. 712 00:35:59,136 --> 00:36:04,809 A lot of babies are able to come out and be detoxed and 713 00:36:04,809 --> 00:36:08,104 not really go through anything very harsh 714 00:36:08,104 --> 00:36:10,564 except for maybe some shaking. 715 00:36:10,564 --> 00:36:12,149 I don't know if I believe this, 716 00:36:12,149 --> 00:36:13,651 but I kind of have to believe it, 717 00:36:13,651 --> 00:36:17,571 is it's probably not going to be that bad. 718 00:36:17,571 --> 00:36:29,709 ♪ 719 00:36:29,709 --> 00:36:31,669 In the search warrants, it mentions Nate Anderson, 720 00:36:31,669 --> 00:36:32,878 that he was hanging around the house at the 721 00:36:32,878 --> 00:36:34,422 time of these murders. 722 00:36:34,422 --> 00:36:36,215 But they also say that he claims he wasn't aware of 723 00:36:36,215 --> 00:36:38,008 what was going on around him. 724 00:36:38,008 --> 00:36:39,593 Now consider all the rumors that were flying around at 725 00:36:39,593 --> 00:36:42,888 the time and that he was part of Pazuzu's inner circle... 726 00:36:42,888 --> 00:36:45,057 I gotta be honest with you, I find that hard to believe. 727 00:36:45,057 --> 00:36:48,561 ♪ 728 00:36:48,561 --> 00:36:50,896 I don't think I wanted to know what they were doing. 729 00:36:50,896 --> 00:36:54,358 I do remember there was one point where 730 00:36:54,358 --> 00:36:56,736 I used to fantasize about, like, you know, 731 00:36:56,736 --> 00:36:59,280 getting a crew together with guns and going over and 732 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,907 killing Pazuzu ourselves and I‐‐ 733 00:37:01,907 --> 00:37:03,492 You could have saved two lives. 734 00:37:03,492 --> 00:37:05,536 (sighs) 735 00:37:05,536 --> 00:37:06,620 I mean, 'cause let me tell you, 736 00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:10,916 Matt Flowers went to ‐ in person ‐ 737 00:37:10,916 --> 00:37:12,042 Forsyth County Sheriff's Department... 738 00:37:12,042 --> 00:37:13,502 Yeah. 739 00:37:13,502 --> 00:37:15,045 What's different between you and Matt Flowers? 740 00:37:15,045 --> 00:37:16,505 What makes you guys different guys? 741 00:37:16,505 --> 00:37:20,968 You're kind of raised in the same kind of place. 742 00:37:20,968 --> 00:37:23,846 I've always been a coward. 743 00:37:23,846 --> 00:37:26,098 You know, that maybe I could have helped, 744 00:37:26,098 --> 00:37:31,395 you know, avert another life being taken. 745 00:37:31,395 --> 00:37:33,314 So, does the story matter? 746 00:37:33,314 --> 00:37:34,982 Is it something that needs to be forgotten and 747 00:37:34,982 --> 00:37:37,568 let's just all move on, or is it something we need to ‐ 748 00:37:37,568 --> 00:37:38,819 maybe not dwell on ‐ but we need to, 749 00:37:38,819 --> 00:37:40,154 we need to face it, deal with it, 750 00:37:40,154 --> 00:37:42,281 and understand it? 751 00:37:42,281 --> 00:37:46,035 Anything that gets swept under the rug is still there. 752 00:37:46,035 --> 00:37:49,997 I always need to keep that darkness in the rearview mirror, 753 00:37:49,997 --> 00:37:53,709 so I can look and remind myself that it's there 754 00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:58,005 and that it's, you know, I'm, I'm still only one choice away 755 00:37:58,005 --> 00:38:00,341 from reverting right back there. 756 00:38:00,341 --> 00:38:04,845 ♪ 757 00:38:04,845 --> 00:38:06,180 And I told the detective, "If you guys don't do 758 00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:07,723 anything about it, I'm gonna kill Pazuzu." 759 00:38:07,723 --> 00:38:08,724 He's like, "I'll be right back," and then he came back 760 00:38:08,724 --> 00:38:14,688 with a really big file. 761 00:38:14,688 --> 00:38:19,109 ♪ 762 00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:20,653 Maybe the most disturbing thing that the 763 00:38:20,653 --> 00:38:22,947 search warrants show ‐ in my opinion ‐ 764 00:38:22,947 --> 00:38:25,032 is that time and again it seems that people told the police 765 00:38:25,032 --> 00:38:27,409 what Pazuzu was doing, and for one reason or another, 766 00:38:27,409 --> 00:38:30,412 they didn't manage to stop him for 5 years. 767 00:38:30,412 --> 00:38:31,872 It finally took his own buddy, Matt Flowers, 768 00:38:31,872 --> 00:38:33,249 to get them to act. 769 00:38:33,249 --> 00:38:34,917 I mean, I'd love to know what it was that 770 00:38:34,917 --> 00:38:36,961 Matt said to them that finally lit a fire under 'em and 771 00:38:36,961 --> 00:38:38,712 got 'em to take real action. 772 00:38:38,712 --> 00:38:43,175 ♪ 773 00:38:43,175 --> 00:38:44,510 ‐ Where you going to school? ‐ Forsyth Tech. 774 00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:45,594 Oh, right on. 775 00:38:45,594 --> 00:38:46,929 I got my associates knocked out. 776 00:38:46,929 --> 00:38:49,014 And then I want to go to Winston‐Salem State and 777 00:38:49,014 --> 00:38:50,182 get a Bachelor's. 778 00:38:50,182 --> 00:38:51,225 What do you want to take over there? 779 00:38:51,225 --> 00:38:52,893 Criminal justice. More than likely. 780 00:38:52,893 --> 00:38:54,103 What do you want to do with criminal justice? 781 00:38:54,103 --> 00:38:55,896 ‐ PI. ‐ Right on. 782 00:38:55,896 --> 00:38:57,147 Yeah, that'd be cool. 783 00:38:57,147 --> 00:38:58,816 The time you were interviewed down at the 784 00:38:58,816 --> 00:39:01,652 Sheriff's Office, how were you treated then? 785 00:39:01,652 --> 00:39:02,987 ‐ How did they... ‐ They treated me well. 786 00:39:02,987 --> 00:39:04,154 Did they seem to be taking you seriously? 787 00:39:04,154 --> 00:39:06,240 Oh, yeah. I mean, 'cause I went in there 788 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,242 with a really serious attitude also, you know. 789 00:39:08,242 --> 00:39:09,827 Yeah, and told 'em. 790 00:39:09,827 --> 00:39:11,370 I didn't feel like they were doing anything. 791 00:39:11,370 --> 00:39:12,705 I didn't feel like they were doing shit. 792 00:39:12,705 --> 00:39:14,164 Did you challenge the officer and ask him‐‐ 793 00:39:14,164 --> 00:39:15,833 I did, totally did. I was taking‐‐ 794 00:39:15,833 --> 00:39:17,251 I was going to take it into my own hands 795 00:39:17,251 --> 00:39:19,461 and really, really do something. 796 00:39:19,461 --> 00:39:22,047 And I told the detective you know, everything, 797 00:39:22,047 --> 00:39:24,174 I was like, "Here's the house. Here's the yard. 798 00:39:24,174 --> 00:39:27,386 Here's the pool. That's where I believe the body's at." 799 00:39:27,386 --> 00:39:28,637 I was like, "If you guys don't do anything about it, 800 00:39:28,637 --> 00:39:31,098 I'm gonna kill Pazuzu." 801 00:39:31,098 --> 00:39:32,808 Three days later they had, they had‐‐ 802 00:39:32,808 --> 00:39:34,476 ‐ It's over. ‐ It was completely over. 803 00:39:34,476 --> 00:39:36,896 I think it's how serious I was about it. 804 00:39:36,896 --> 00:39:38,439 ‐ Really? ‐ Yeah. 805 00:39:38,439 --> 00:39:39,815 I even told 'em, I was like, "If I go do this, 806 00:39:39,815 --> 00:39:42,776 I'll come back here and I'll, I'll turn myself in, 807 00:39:42,776 --> 00:39:44,820 but I want you to know that this has happened," 808 00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:46,280 you know what I mean? 809 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,198 I can believe you'd do it. I can believe you have 810 00:39:48,198 --> 00:39:50,075 enough sense of right and wrong to do it, 811 00:39:50,075 --> 00:39:52,578 but should it be that's what it takes? 812 00:39:52,578 --> 00:39:55,039 Law enforcement could have done more than what they did. 813 00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:57,291 100%. 814 00:39:57,291 --> 00:39:59,835 You're the guy who steps out and does something. 815 00:39:59,835 --> 00:40:02,004 Is this a matter of, you know, heroism? 816 00:40:02,004 --> 00:40:03,464 Because you stepped forward and, you know, 817 00:40:03,464 --> 00:40:05,925 put the finger‐‐ Put your name to it. 818 00:40:05,925 --> 00:40:08,052 Yeah, but I try to keep that‐‐ 819 00:40:08,052 --> 00:40:11,722 I don't really like the name hero, you know what I mean. 820 00:40:11,722 --> 00:40:13,098 I feel like I'd be a bad person if I didn't 821 00:40:13,098 --> 00:40:14,850 do something about it. 822 00:40:14,850 --> 00:40:16,518 I just didn't want anyone else getting hurt; 823 00:40:16,518 --> 00:40:18,312 that's pretty much what it boils down to. 824 00:40:18,312 --> 00:40:32,242 ♪ 825 00:40:32,242 --> 00:40:34,203 One of the things that I found out sort of reading 826 00:40:34,203 --> 00:40:37,247 the search warrant was that Matt Flowers 827 00:40:37,247 --> 00:40:40,042 was the reason why they ‐ 828 00:40:40,042 --> 00:40:41,919 Josh and Tommy ‐ were found. 829 00:40:41,919 --> 00:40:47,299 I think that we can take this as a learning opportunity. 830 00:40:47,299 --> 00:40:52,680 He is really the hero of the story in so many ways. 831 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,058 So, I got a tattoo of St. Michael slaying Lucifer. 832 00:40:56,058 --> 00:40:58,519 We did this when Pazuzu, like, 833 00:40:58,519 --> 00:40:59,937 pretty much went down. 834 00:40:59,937 --> 00:41:01,397 We're gonna put the death date, 835 00:41:01,397 --> 00:41:05,442 when he passed away, which is October 28, 2015. 836 00:41:05,442 --> 00:41:11,240 (tattoo machine buzzing) 837 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:13,033 All right, man, check it out. 838 00:41:13,033 --> 00:41:16,120 Fuck yeah. Hardcore. 839 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:26,005 ♪ 840 00:41:28,549 --> 00:41:30,801 (laughs) 841 00:41:30,801 --> 00:41:33,012 I don't want Josh's death to be in vain. 842 00:41:33,012 --> 00:41:35,389 I want something to come out of it. 843 00:41:35,389 --> 00:41:39,184 I'm cofounding a non‐profit called Happy Roots 844 00:41:39,184 --> 00:41:44,314 with a goal to reach out to at‐risk youth and 845 00:41:44,314 --> 00:41:46,775 people in the community that need help. 846 00:41:46,775 --> 00:41:50,571 All kids in costumes, please come on down. 847 00:41:54,867 --> 00:41:56,869 So, you can look at the story and you can say, 848 00:41:56,869 --> 00:41:59,163 "Well, the government failed or society failed," 849 00:41:59,163 --> 00:42:02,291 but that's not really helpful. 850 00:42:02,291 --> 00:42:07,004 The solution to this is in community efforts, 851 00:42:07,004 --> 00:42:11,091 building community and creating opportunities, 852 00:42:11,091 --> 00:42:13,886 and making sure that the individuals that are 853 00:42:13,886 --> 00:42:16,305 falling through the cracks, don't. 854 00:42:16,305 --> 00:42:20,184 ♪ 855 00:42:20,184 --> 00:42:27,274 ♪ (birds chirping) ♪ 856 00:42:27,274 --> 00:42:29,777 Oh! 857 00:42:29,777 --> 00:42:31,487 ♪ 858 00:42:31,487 --> 00:42:35,365 (dog barking) 859 00:42:35,365 --> 00:42:37,367 Hi. 860 00:42:37,367 --> 00:42:39,495 Good boy. Good boy. 861 00:42:39,495 --> 00:42:41,914 (laughs) 862 00:42:41,914 --> 00:42:53,967 ♪ 863 00:42:53,967 --> 00:42:58,138 (typing) 864 00:42:58,138 --> 00:43:08,941 ♪ 865 00:43:08,941 --> 00:43:11,276 (typing) 866 00:43:11,276 --> 00:43:14,029 So what's the ending here? 867 00:43:14,029 --> 00:43:16,156 Old Pazuzu is dead and he took Josh Wetzler, 868 00:43:16,156 --> 00:43:19,409 Tommy Dean Welch, and Joseph Chandler with him. 869 00:43:19,409 --> 00:43:21,787 End of the day, it was no big conspiracy, 870 00:43:21,787 --> 00:43:24,581 no demonic evil to blame. 871 00:43:24,581 --> 00:43:26,792 Just broken people slipping through the cracks of a 872 00:43:26,792 --> 00:43:30,504 broken system in anytown America, 873 00:43:30,504 --> 00:43:32,214 but that's our America. 874 00:43:32,214 --> 00:43:34,049 Those cracks are in our sidewalk and 875 00:43:34,049 --> 00:43:36,218 it's our job to fix 'em. 876 00:43:36,218 --> 00:43:40,556 ♪ 877 00:43:40,556 --> 00:43:45,894 The dead are gone, but those of us who are still around... 878 00:43:45,894 --> 00:43:48,021 We got work to do. 879 00:43:48,021 --> 00:44:00,826 ♪ 67974

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