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Ties to a cult may have
led to a fatal shooting

in Monroe County.
A woman is now in custody

for shooting her
boyfriend in the head.

[Tony] Stephen and Barbara
met online

through the
Sherry Shriner group.

They look like people,

but they can transform
into a reptilian form.

Yeah.

Stephen was angry and
wanted to die because

he got kicked out of that cult.

I felt like killing
myself over this.

I felt like killing
myself because of her.

This went down because
Sherry Shriner manipulated

Steve Mineo and my
ex-wife, Barbara.

That's what happened.

Five years
before Stephen died,

there was
another follower of...

Sherry Shriner's that
had a tragic death.

Her name was
Kelly Pingilley.

Sherry generated
over $774,000

over a 10- year period.

♪ [electronic]

♪ [electronic]

[radio static]

We've been hearing
a lot about a case that

happened in northeastern
Pennsylvania over the weekend.

A 32-year-old...

A 32-year-old
man was killed,

shot in the head...

According to the story
from The Daily Wire,

after he allegedly made the
request to die for the sake of

a bizarre belief in the
reptilian nature

of his cult leader.

And so, we thought we
would reach out to

the woman who is being
called the cult leader,

this is Sherry Shriner
with us on WILK.

- Hi, Sherry.
- Hi, how you doing?

Doing well.

First of all, before we get
into the specific incident...

Are you a cult, or not?

[Sherry] No, I'm not a cult.
I'm just a Christian.

I love the lord.
I serve the lord.

They want to make all
Christians look bad and crazy,

call them a cult.

[Tony] Right after
Stephen was killed,

Sherry Shriner was on a
bunch of different radio shows.

And, I think that she
thought this was her

big chance to really
get her word out.

I think that she thought that

when Kelly killed
herself as well.

I think that she sees
these tragedies

as a way to improve her reach.

And, to prove that she
was right all along.

[Host] According to
Barbara Rogers,

Stephen thought that

you were actually a reptilian.

[Sherry] I know, I thought
that was hilarious.

Interestingly,
we called her a reptile,

so she's calling us,
me back a reptile.

She is a practicing
Wiccan witch, and there's

a lot of other things that
gets involved with her.

This isn't her first time
she's killed somebody and

that's why I hope the
police investigate this.

Sherry was saying, "I know that
she's killed four other people,"

you know,
on, on the real radio.

Not on her made up
little blog thing,

and the, the lady's like,
"You can't say that for real.

None of that is true."
[laughs]

[Host] You know, that...

You have to be careful when
you say stuff like that.

[Sherry] I know. Well, they
need to investigate her because

she has a past in Kentucky
that's very well hidden.

And the men,
two men missing...

anybody that can hold up a
gun to some kid's head and

pull the trigger
is not new at it.

♪

A Florida woman will
face a trial on charges

she murdered her
boyfriend last month,

in Monroe County.

42-year-old Barbara Rogers
was in court for a

preliminary hearing this
afternoon in Tobyhanna.

♪

When you tell somebody that
their mother was involved in

a death, there's no easy
way to say those things.

You sit down and you
say what happened.

And there's a lot of crying,
and there's a lot of hugging,

and there's a lot of being
there for each other.

And I think that's
where we were at.

What's going on
with the fire, dude?

We were kind of
kept in the dark.

No police ever talked to me.

You know, and I'd see
something on YouTube or

something with the
arraignment or whatever

and that was it.

That was, you know,
local Poconos news.

You know, that's...
that's what we had.

Rogers says Mineo asked
her to kill him because

he had gotten threats
from an online cult.

Rogers faces one count
of criminal homicide,

which was sent on to a
higher court this morning.

She remains in the Monroe
County Prison without bail.

I was in contact with

Detective Bray at the beginning,

and he was asking
me about my mother and,

you know,
her mental illness and...

I was like, "Is she
taking her medication?

Make sure that
she's doing that."

And... he was like,
"Well, this is..."

you know,
"it's just not adding up."

He wasn't very
nice about it.

He told me he was,
like, you know,

dropped the death
sentence phrase.

He was like,
"Well, you know,

she might get the
death penalty."

[Joel] Alena had to deal
with a lot of stuff.

She had to deal with
going to the crime scene and

picking up the things
from their apartment.

[Alena] When I drove there...
[sniffles]

You know, a week
after the shooting,

I was just, like,
looking around.

And of course,
it had been, like,

tossed by the police,
you know, looking for evidence.

And I think, I think Steve's
family had gone in and

taken some items, you know.

[creaking]

The room smelled like her.

I could just, like,
I could just like feel her,

like, lingering,
and it was so weird.

Like, this is
where she's been?

♪

The life that she
had with Stephen...

studio apartment, guns,

violence, conspiracy...
uncertainty.

I mean, the things that she,
what kind of life is that?

And why is that life

better than the one she
could have had with me?

♪

[Host] Have you ever
seen a reptilian?

[Sherry] In person, no, no.
[Host] Okay.

[Sherry] I've gotten phone
calls with the hissing.

[laughing]

[Host] Who's that?
I mean, do you have caller ID?

Do you know who they are?

[Sherry] Actually it's just a
weird thing of numbers and

they call and they give me
death threats and stuff.

When you take on
Satan's kingdom,

it's going to come at
you full force, and it has.

♪

It is difficult to conceive that

anybody in their
right mind

could be a follower
of Sherry Shriner where,

she's contending
she was in heaven,

that she can tell alien
reptiles from humans.

There's no part of
it that makes sense.

And yet, it was a driving
factor in this whole case.

In July of 2017, I was
contacted by Barbara's family

and told about
Barbara's situation,

and I was asked to
represent Barbara.

Mr. Galloway and I were doing
the criminal work together and,

we, we began to
represent Barbara.

There's no question that,
that there were people

saying that she was a reptile,
and there's probably

no question that Stephen
pushed back against that.

♪

First thing we did was drive up
there and speak to Barbara.

♪

We met with her in
the prison there and,

my first impression
was how fragile she was.

♪

As I said to Jeff one day,

"She's like a
frightened rabbit."

So, it was obvious that
she was very, very nervous

and scared and,
and rightly so.

She had serious
mental health issues,

and I don't think there's...

any doubt about that.

[Jeff] Her involvement
was an accident.

She never wanted
the gun to go off.

And, the accident started
and was precipitated by

Stephen's desire to
take his own life.

We both thought that...

that that was a picture of
somebody was not guilty and

we were gonna work
at proving that.

Ah... period.

It's very unusual that we
get that 9-1-1 call where

somebody confesses to a
crime that they committed.

The impressions that we
got were that Barbara

had actually pulled the
trigger on Stephen Mineo.

♪

On surface, this looks
like one of those cases

that looks fairly easy.

The fact that we already had
a good suspect and

she was there, and our guys
had her, was a good thing.

♪

So, when I arrive on scene,
the first thing that I noted

was the big hole in the
center of his forehead.

It's a, a star-like pattern
that was around the hole.

Some of the most rudimentary
police trainings,

they teach you that is a
sign of a contact wound,

which means that that gun was
right up against his forehead.

And it was in a position
that is not typical

of a suicide-type shot.

It's more typical of someone
else pulling the trigger.

And it gave the appearance
that he was sitting there and,

and executed, looking up at
the barrel of a gun.

I think they went
down that path,

and that was the
narrative that they spun,

that she intentionally
killed him.

[Tony] I think the police saw it
as an open and shut case.

And, I think it may have
affected the way

that they proceeded.

The biggest thing
that the police missed,

at first, was the...

cartridge was still in
the chamber of the gun.

It didn't get expelled.

And so, they get
to the crime scene, and...

there's no cartridge and

there's no blood on the shooter.

And so, they're like,
"She clearly threw out

the cartridge,
washed off the blood,

and then called us."

[Dick] I think it's awfully hard
for detectives not to jump

to conclusions and work
toward that conclusion.

[John] Now put your
hands the other way.

But I think they concluded
that she intended it,

and they weren't
gonna be satisfied

with anything less than that.

[radio static]

[Sherry] The evidence,
itself, speaks for itself.

You know, her first story
coming out of Pennsylvania,

right over there, was that
he was bullied and harassed

and he wanted
her to kill him.

The whole story, "I'm just a
frail little girl," and, and...

you know,
it just falls apart.

[radio static]

[Host] ...but they said this
woman, Barbara Rogers,

she originally was
from Florida and somehow,

she came to the Poconos.

Do you know
when these two...

two met, and what the nature
of their relationship is,

as you understand it?

[Sherry] He met her online.

He didn't know her very long.
And he started telling us

that he found the
woman of his dreams.

♪

Sherry Shriner launched
her Patreon the day that

Barbara's trial started.

It's still up and running.

I joined her Patreon
for one month and...

you know, she was
gonna provide this

exclusive insight to this...

to this murder.

[Sherry] She had several
profiles on Facebook that

she was denying that was hers,
that I knew was her.

I even had a crime
scene detective, retired,

go through the two
different profiles and state,

"This is the same person."

Now, why would you go
to that length though, Sherry?

Why would you go to that length
to find out who she was?

[Sherry] I love Steve,
and I just could tell ya,

it's, it's a
mother's instinct,

whatever you
want to call it,

that this woman was no good.
This girl was no good.

♪

A trial is underway for a
Florida woman charged with

murdering her boyfriend
in Monroe County.

Opening statements began
this morning in the trial of

44-year-old Barbara Rogers.

Rogers says Mineo asked her
to kill him because

he had gotten threats
from an online cult.

[Tony] Once they started getting
this kind of attention,

everything about Barbara's
cas was viewed through

this prism of Sherry Shriner's
reptile cult.

Even if it's just you're the
type of person who believes

this crazy thing, who knows
what you're capable of.

You go back to the scene,
you have the victim laying

on the ground with a gunshot
wound point blank to the

middle of his forehead, so
close that there's burns

around the wound, there's the
star pattern in his forehead.

Name's Andrew Kroeckel.

I'm an Assistant
District Attorney,

here at the Monroe County
District Attorney's office.

And in the prosecution
of Barbara Rogers,

I was second chair.

I think it was a Saturday
morning, I woke up

and there was,
I was looking at articles,

and there was an article
in The Daily Beast.

And I forwarded
that to Mike Mancuso,

our first assistant, he handles
all our homicides.

From that, he asked me if I
wanted to help him with it.

[Producer] And, for you...

how many homicides had
you worked on before this?

This was my first.

The prosecution
wanted to show

that Barbara must have
done this on purpose.

♪

And, they wanted to
make sure that

they put her away for life.

[Andrew] We didn't know
how much we wanted to

make the cult part of the case.

We couldn't ignore it, but
you don't want to overwhelm

the jury with it or
distract them with it.

'Cause again, you know,
it's not funny.

Someone's,
someone was murdered.

You know, like...

when you put a gun to
someone's forehead

in a position like this...

You know,
that's, that's murder.

♪

[gun shots]

My name is
Emanuel Kapelsohn.

I'm a firearms, ballistics,
and use of force expert.

And I worked as an expert
witness on behalf of

Barbara Rogers in the
homicide trial.

♪

[gunshot & shell
clattering onto floor]

♪

In this case, I went to the
police department

that was holding the evidence.

I looked at the gun,
the magazine...

looked at the autopsy
report and photographs.

Looked at the
scene photographs,

scene diagrams for the
purpose of seeing

whether I could offer an opinion

about whether
Barbara Rogers' version

of the events was probable.

So, this simulates
Barbara Rogers holding

the pistol with her finger
on the trigger,

the deceased putting
his hands over hers,

pulling the trigger...

And now I'm gonna take
the gun away to show

that firing in this way

leaves the empty
shell casing in the chamber,

just as it was in
Barbara Rogers' case.

So, I formed an opinion...

that this shot was fired
with the muzzle

in contact with the
deceased's forehead,

and that if the gun was held
at all by Barbara Rogers,

it was held by her with the
deceased's own hands

over her hands.

Pushed the muzzle
against his own forehead,

put his own finger or fingers
over her trigger finger,

and pressed her
finger against the trigger.

So, in effect, he fired
the gun into his own skull.

And that would account for the
contact wound to the forehead,

and possibly the shell casing

still being left in the
pistol's chamber.

♪

Although this case was
only a few years ago,

it stands out in my memory as
one of the more unusual cases...

with cults, with aliens,

with the details
of the situation.

Mr. Kapelsohn was
our key witness.

I think he confirmed
Barbara's version of events.

And even demonstrated
Barbara's version of events

to the jury.

Our gun expert from the
state police just explained

that gun gets
out-of-battery, if it's,

too much pressure's
put on it,

and it makes sense
that it would be right,

you know, the loose contact
or light contact.

As respected as Manny is and

as much as he
knows about Glocks,

I don't know that
the jury was necessarily

taken with their
demonstration.

It's not the way it
happened, so...

[Radio Host] Do you
believe that there is...

an underworld of reptilians

who are infiltrating
high levels of power,

including Hollywood
and also politics, right?

[Sherry] Oh, sure.
I've been posting

YouTube videos on
my sites for years.

You can go to YouTube
and type in

"reptilian shapeshifter" or
"celebrity shapeshifters,

celebrity vampires".

I mean, it's just
all coming out.

They can't hide it anymore.

With the merging
of the dimensions,

people are beginning to see
these beings exist in people,

they're shapeshifting,
they're morphing.

Sherry, to most people who
don't really think like this,

this all sounds pretty crazy.

[Sherry] Well, you know,
when you learn it as you go,

'cause that's what I've had
to do 'cause I didn't

grow up in this kind of stuff,
it all makes sense.

You know, I'm calling a
spade a spade.

I've been exposing
this stuff for 20 years.

So, who's the crazy one?

♪

What about Sherry
is worth following?

What about Sherry is
worth listening to?

And the answer's nothing!

She is just some crank
sitting in her office,

spewing garbage
on the internet.

Beginning, middle, and end.

♪

Day two of a trial for a
Florida woman charged with

murdering her
boyfriend in Monroe County.

44-year-old Barbara Rogers
walked into the court room

today for the
second day of trial.

The jury was played an
interrogation video showing

Rogers speaking to
police officers.

What really stands out
to me about her condition

during that statement
was just the fatigue.

The interrogation went
on for over 6 hours...

And she was, obviously,
was so fatigued and so sad,

and so confused,
which is very consistent

with somebody being
through a traumatic event.

[Tony] Barbara was
useless as a witness.

The police ask her
for her story and,

she tells it,
poorly, several times.

I know you went through a
traumatic event tonight and

I want to talk to you a
little bit about that.

You're not
under arrest, okay.

You're in a police station.

The Pocono Regional
Police, they're...

you wouldn't necessarily think
it 'cause it's kind of rural

up there, it's, you know,
there's a lot of trees,

and woods, and all that sort
of stuff, but they're...

they're very good.
They're a very--

their detectives have
always been very good.

I know that you, you had
your hands on the gun

when it went off today, right?

[Barbara] I did. He put my
hands there, he goes,

"Here, put them here."
And then, it's like...

he just goes,
"I want you to shoot it."

He's just put my
hands on it and said,

"I want you to
shoot it at me."

He said, "Point it at me."

He goes, "Here you go,
take this into your hands.

I want you to
point this at me."

The police thought that
Stephen didn't have

his hands on the gun,

he couldn't have had
his hands on the gun.

Just the little bit
that I saw at the scene,

it doesn't look like his
hands were on the gun

when it went off.

So, can you explain
that to me again?

The defense case hung
almost exclusively on

the testimony of
Emanuel Kapelsohn.

What the Glock expert
was able to show was that

Stephen's hands were
likely on the gun.

I think that if the
cops had known...

they may have gone about their
interrogation differently.

You told 9-1-1 that you
both had your hands on that,

on the gun, and we know that
that's not the truth now either,

that you had the gun
in your hand all by--

Do you remember
what you told 9-1-1?

I listened to it.

That's another reason why
I'm having a whole bunch of

problems sitting here swallowing
what you're telling us.

[Barbara] Ah, well...

we both had our hands
on the gun, you know.

I, I didn't want to hold it.

I was reluctant
to even grab it, but...

you know, he put
it in my hands.

It's fascinating when the
detective finally gets her

to admit that there was
no way his hands

could have been on the gun.

Well, he handed it to me.

Okay, so he
hands you the gun?

Now you have the
gun in your hand?

Yes.

Seeing him push her,
and push her, and push her

until she says, "Yeah, his hands
weren't on the gun."

He's not touching
it anymore, right?

Um... no, his hands
were off of it.

Okay, so, the only person
whose hands are on the gun

are yours,
at this point, right?

Yes.

She changed her story so
many times because

they insisted that she do that.

They weren't
happy with her story.

He asked me to
point it at him.

No, that,
we already went over that.

That's, that's
not what happened,

'cause you told me, we
specifically talked about that.

You said he asked you
to point at something.

He asked you to
point the gun,

but not at himself.

He could have said,
"Point it beside me," or,

"Point it beside my head."

They were just guessing.
She was saying nonsense,

and they were guessing at
what could have happened,

and sometimes she said yes and
sometimes she said no.

And if they guessed the
same things a couple times,

she'd say yes to keep them
from guessing it anymore.

I think it was pressed
against his forehead,

I think you
pulled it on purpose.

In fact, I know that
you pulled it on purpose.

I don't think
that when, like,

you were planning this.

I don't think this
is something that you

necessarily
planned in doing,

but I think that's exactly
what happened, correct?

It might-- Yes, that...
that could be right, yeah.

What she told them was
not satisfactory to them,

and they just kept
going after her,

and going after her,
and going after her.

That's nonsense.

There was no
coercion at all.

The way Detective Bohrman
conducts that interview is...

It was mind blowing
for me, of how...

the opposite of what
you see on TV he was.

It's not like...

you know,
trying to hammer them,

"You tell me the truth
right now," it's just,

"Let's have a conversation
about what happened."

♪

When you're dealing with
a woman who's in these

circumstances with
this background, etc.,

and you keep it going
6 and a 1/2 hours because...

accident keeps
coming up, and coming up,

and coming up,
and coming up,

and you're not
happy with that...

you're gonna
wear somebody down.

I don't care who it is.

You're not being truthful.
You're not.

And so, that bothers me.

I, I, I...

You just killed this guy who you
tell us you, you love, right?

You're in love with him?
Were you in love with him?

- Yes! I love him!
- You just killed him.

You just killed him.
You took his life.

And you're, matter of fact,
sitting there trying to

come up with a story that
makes you look better.

There's no way to make
you look better here.

You did what you did.
The only thing you can do is

to clear your conscience and
be truthful about it.

Oh, god, I would
never kill him.

But you did kill him.

She tried to tell them every
way from Sunday that this

was an accident, and I asked
the jury when they listened,

how many times she would
say the word "accident"?

And it was 24.
She told them 24 times

that this was an accident,
and they...

they simply
refused to believe it.

I picked it up and
I just squeezed it.

[Bohrman] On purpose.
[Barbara] [Sighs]

[Barbara] Yes, it was
on purpose.

If the question is,
"Is it coerced?"

Of course it is.

When you're Barbara Rogers
and you're as fragile

as an eggshell,
it's really a disaster.

♪

How does prison impact
your Bipolar Disorder?

[birds chirping]

I couldn't ask my
mom over the phone,

"Tell me what happened,"
you know,

the truth, just because...

She could have
incriminated herself, you know.

I went to the trial.

I knew that she would need
some help and some support

and, I just really wanted
to find out what happened.

♪

Find out the truth,
you know.

♪

We called some of
Barbara's family.

I thought it was important
for the jury to know

a little bit more
about Barbara.

That was a
difficult situation.

I thought I was just going up
there to defend her character.

And they
specifically asked me,

"Does she know how to
fire a 9 mm pistol?"

And I said,
"Absolutely not."

They claimed at trial that

she'd never been
trained on handguns.

I don't know if
that's true or not.

It seems unlikely...

to spend 8 years in
the military, they don't

ever teach you
anything about handguns.

[whistle blows]

The fact that
she had, you know,

she demonstrated
that shooting stance,

I know I keep going
back to that, but it,

it was important to us 'cause
how would she know to do that?

Hand it...

And it's a proper stance,
not something she just made up.

So, for her to do that,
to know to do that...

it seemed like she had to
have had some idea of

what she was doing.

It's just not true.
It's absolutely false.

She had fired a rifle because
she had to qualify with a rifle.

She had never fired
pistols in the service.

She had never
fired this pistol.

My secretary has as
much ability with

a firearm as Barbara does.

[Sherry] First of all, she used
her military issue .45 Glock.

She was in the military,

she retired from the military,
I believe.

Or she got out
early on a pension.

She had no
problem shooting 'em.

She pointed it right to his
head and blew his head off.

At one point, Sherry Shriner

told Steve that she
was a super soldier

and that she had been
trained by the military

to destroy him.

[Joel] A super soldier?
She was a supply clerk.

She barely qualified with
her weapon at the range.

There was no
super soldier in her.

She was Barbara,
mother of three, you know.

Her job was to work
in the logistics and,

and running the army,
and she did well at that,

but for the mental health
problems that developed

when she was
stationed in Germany.

♪

I knew that she
was mentally ill,

and I knew that this
was a big problem,

and I knew she needed help.

And at that point, all I
could do was pray for her.

We found out that she was
discharged from the military

for mental health reasons
and that she'd

attempted to kill herself.

Do you take
medicine for your bipolar?

Have you taken it regularly?

Are you up to date
on your medicine?

I, I think I, sometimes I
skip a few days, but yeah...

- [knocking]
- Come on in.

[Joel] In the trial, we got to
hear the time where

her interrogators left the room.

And we got to hear
her talk, a lot.

And that is the one thing
that makes me understand

that she's innocent,
and that she didn't

maliciously murder Stephen.

We called them
"The Whisperings" 'cause

she was just, just
whispering to herself,

which you couldn't, you couldn't
make out most of it.

It was like she was trying
to convince herself that she

didn't do it or that she did it
because her wanted her to.

One of the
things she said is,

"Please, God,
bring him back.

If you bring hm back,
I'll quit drinking."

And that just blew my mind.

It's just how out of
touch with consequences...

You see the mental health
problem she has

when you watch that.

We thought the jury should
be entitled to know

that she had bipolar disorder,

which would reduce her
culpability in this case.

We confirmed Barbara's
diagnosis of bipolar disorder,

and the bipolar disorder
was the same disorder that

she was honorably discharged
from, from the military.

The judge ruled that we could
not put that into evidence

unless we were
willing to concede that

she was guilty of at
least 3rd degree.

We could not and
did not do that.

♪

Has law enforcement contacted
you from Pennsylvania yet?

[Sherry] No, nm-nm.

[Host] It's interesting,
isn't it?

[Sherry] I haven't talked to
anybody. They have the script.

They want to go with the
script that Sherry Shriner's

a reptile and she's a cult and
we're gonna blame it on her.

They've done this before.
This is round two for me.

We didn't know if Sherry
would be a witness to

actually testify
in trial, but...

decided we probably
should talk to Sherry,

try to get as much
background on at least the

dispute that people were
having with Stephen and

Barbara online, just to
get an idea of how much that

might have contributed to
him being stressed out or...

any tensions between
him and Barbara,

those sorts of things.

'Cause the jury
wants to hear motive.

I think we all want to
know why things happen.

And that's one of the
things we wanted to talk

to Sherry Shriner about.

She might have been able
to fill those gaps in.

More information,
the better...

usually is the case for us.

Her email address was
pretty easy to find

on one of her websites.

I emailed her, expecting
to never hear from her.

She emailed, emailed me
back I think the same day.

I don't care what she said.
I don't care if she said

she was an eye witness
to the shooting.

She's eminently attackable.

I mean, she said the
killing was proof that

Barbara was in fact
an alien reptile.

And honestly,
the prison, I think,

would have discovered
if she was a reptile.

We set up a meeting to
meet her in Youngstown,

which is not terribly far away
from where she lived.

And then, she just
kind of went silent.

So, filling in the gap of
motive was important to us.

There was
absolutely no motive.

There was no greed,
there was no jealousy,

there was no abuse.
There was nothing.

There was nothing in the
history of this couple that

had a motive of
any way, shape, or form.

It made sense to me that she
would end this relationship,

somehow,
and then just leave.

She ended up not
doing that, but...

not leaving, but she
ended the relationship.

What they tried to do during
the course of the trial...

was that Barbara
was tired of him,

she wanted to discard him,
and that simply wasn't true.

There was no
evidence of that,

but they wanted the
jury to make that leap.

Really, one person woke up that
day wanting to kill somebody,

and it was Stephen Mineo
wanting to kill himself.

He was a 14-year follower
of Sherry Shriner who,

I was shocked to hear,
that she had

not 4 followers
or 27 followers...

but 5,000 people
bought into that crap.

And Stephen Mineo was a
huge follower of hers.

And it wasn't just that he
suddenly wasn't in the cult.

It was him against 5,000,
and that's the reason

he was distraught by
the whole thing.

That woman really
fucked my head up.

The mental torture
she gives people...

Dude, I had
suicidal thoughts!

I felt like killing
myself because of her.

[News] Prosecution and
defense presented

their closing
arguments in the case.

A judge is expected to
give jurors their final

instructions in the
case tomorrow morning.

We were shocked that the
judge ruled accident

out of the case.

We're trying to
show accident,

they're trying to
show it's not accident,

and then the jury
doesn't get to pass on that.

To not give the jury the
option of an accident was

very disappointing and,
unfair, I think, to Barbara.

Well, we begin tonight with
a murder sentence

handed down in
Monroe County Court.

Today, Barbara Rogers
was sentenced to

15 to 40 years behind bars.

She claims the murder
was tied to an alien cult.

The verdict of the jury was
that Barbara was guilty of,

of 3rd degree murder.

And Barbara received a
sentence of 15 to

40 years incarceration.

[News] The defense asked for a
more lenient sentence,

as Rogers is a mother of
three with no prior

criminal history and
military service.

We had hoped that the
judge would take that into

consideration and give her a
sentence that was closer to

the bottom end of
the standard range,

as opposed to the top end.

The sentence is... awfully high.

If we'd have gotten the
ruling that we expected on

involuntary manslaughter,
the most that could have

happened to Barbara was two
and a half to five years.

She's already been
in jail three years.

[News] Prosecutors asked for
the maximum sentence

of 20 to 40 years.

We would have liked to
have seen her get more,

but we understand why the
judge did what she did.

What happened to my
son is permanent.

Her sentence should
have been permanent.

It was totally unfair.

I don't believe anybody's
benefiting from Barbara

being incarcerated for the
amount of time that

she was sentenced.

She's not a danger
to anybody and

does not deserve
to be in prison.

[Joel] As far as I'm concerned,
the worst she should have gotten

was a manslaughter charge.

But really, what she
should have got was

innocent because of insanity.

How I feel about her
as a murderer is...

something I can hardly
even touch on, you know.

♪

That's insane to me.

♪

Now she's gone!

And it's not... she's gone now.

Now it's over.
There isn't any hope.

♪

Do you regret what you did?

I was not in control of
the situation that happened.

I was not the dominating
party in that situation.

[Tony] Putting Barbara away
for 15 to 40 years,

I guess it satisfies our
sense that someone

did something and
got blamed for it.

But it doesn't
begin to address...

the damage that Sherry did.

And that's
really unsatisfying.

[Jeff] I think
Stephen Mineo is,

is most responsible
for his death.

And I think Sherry Shriner
had a part in it.

[Dick] If Sherry Shriner had
never existed and he had

not gotten into that cult,
probably none of this

would have happened.

Can I say that this would have
happened without the cult?

No. I don't know.

But I don't think it helped.

[Tony] I think that these are
just two lost souls,

frankly, you know.

They were never capable of
dealing with adult life,

and they certainly
weren't capable of

dealing with Sherry Shriner.

♪

The online world is very
different from real life.

Facebook created this echo
chamber that allowed Sherry

to grow faster than she might
have otherwise expected.

The more people that watch,
the more eyeballs on the screen,

the more ads
that get consumed,

the more money
YouTube makes.

You know, you want to
get a sense whether

she really believed
what she said.

I feel like if I got to
talk to her, I'd at least know.

I feel like somebody has their
hands around my throat.

[coughs]
Not much time left.