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♪

The fact of the matter is,
if you're committed to a cult,

you're committing to leave.

My name's Steve.
I am Barbara's husband.

Barbara Rogers says her
boyfriend asked her to kill him

because he had gotten
threats from an online cult.

In a world that
doesn't make sense,

where your faith just
doesn't hold up anymore,

Sherry Shriner is your
one-stop shop for...

what the truth is.

I don't know
the whole story.

I don't know if
I even want to.

There is a clear pattern that
this is something that happens.

This went down
because Sherry Shriner.

I was at my sister's house
when Mr. Pingilly called me.

And he told me that
Kelly had killed herself.

Everybody turns,
wounded shark-like,

on the person that
they've decided

they're going to rip to pieces.

There was so much
sickness, like,

mental health
problems, in this.

I think Sherry Shriner
is a predator.

♪

And like the
epitome of evil.

♪

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[Dispatcher]
5-21.

♪ [fireworks crackling]

♪

My name is Lucas Bray, and
I was the on-call detective

during the week that
this case came in.

I was asleep when
I was awoken...

by one of our patrolman.

So, I called my
partner in this case,

Detective John Bohrman.

He's a 25-year veteran in
this police department.

[John] So, I got the call at
home. I was asleep.

I actually live
fairly close to,

to the address where
this incident had happened.

I, I got in my car
and I responded.

I met Detective Bray
at a gas station

about 500 yards from the scene.

We had received a copy
of the 9-1-1 tape and

we had listened to it.

[woman crying]

It's very... unusual.

It almost seemed like...

she made herself upset at
certain points to get...

the attention of
the call taker.

It was unclear by her
statements in whether

he killed himself,
she killed him,

or she was implying that
he helped her kill him.

Like there was...

there was a lot of, lot of
stuff going on, definitely.

She was saying the gun
went off by accident.

And as she was, as she
was trying to describe

what happened to
the 911 operator.

John listened to it,
and he had

very similar
concerns that I did.

It just didn't seem right.

And there was things that
we needed to investigate.

♪ [1950s style pop]

♪ NO MORE TEARS
NO MORE TEARS ♪

♪ [NO MORE TEARS]

I don't think the Poconos
has changed much since 1972.

It's a resort, it's a
family resort area.

But, it doesn't have like
an industry beyond tourism.

♪

I don't want to call it
low rent 'cause it's not,

but it's got that weird vibe

that it's like a
secondary place.

♪ NO MORE SILENCE
OVER YOU ♪

Hi, my name's Tony Russo.
I'm a journalist and author.

I'm working on a book.

It's about Sherry Shriner,
and all of the

horrible things that
happened around her.

At the end of the day, I just
want to make sure that

I get to tell people's stories
and not just important people.

So, as a matter of fact,
specifically

not important
people's stories.

I first heard about
Barbara Rogers and

Stephen Mineo in 2019.

My initial reaction was,
oh, look, crazy people.

And then I started
looking into it and,

there were just more and
more layers to be uncovered.

And it took me
all the way, you know,

to Tobyhanna, Pennsylvania.

And, when I came
into town, it,

it's a very depressed town.

[birds chirping]

Just not tidy in the way you
think of these picturesque,

little mountain towns.

The Poconos are mostly,
mostly renters, mostly renting,

you know, people like
Stephen and Barbara.

♪

[Detective Bray]
So, we went to the scene.

Barbara Rogers was already
in the back of a police car and,

we went in and
inspected the scene.

It was a small house...

that Barbara and...

Stephen rented a room,
not much bigger than

this office space,
very small.

And, you had to go around the
house to get to that doorway.

You wouldn't even know
this apartment was there.

[Detective Bohrman] It was
one room that was kind of...

doubled as a kitchen,
slash, living room,

and then there was a
bathroom and a closet.

It wasn't very big at all.

There was a bed
in that room and,

Stephen was laying on the
floor in front of that bed.

And, he had a
bullet hole in his head.

[Bray] It didn't appear there
were any signs of struggle,

or that she had done
anything with the body or

any movement,
anything like that.

So, I walked up to the car,
I introduced myself to

Barbara Rogers, and I asked
her if she could come back

to the station and talk
to me about what happened.

♪

There may not
even be a crime,

but it was obviously
a case that

had to be investigated further.

Ok, again, Barbara,
my name is John Bohrman.

I'm one of the
detectives here.

Barbara, this is
a tape recorder.

It tape records... our voice.

- Is that alright with you?
- Yes, that's fine.

Ok. I know you went through
a traumatic event tonight,

and I want to talk to you
a little bit about that.

You're not under arrest.

So, after
examining the scene,

listening to the 911 tape,

I had an open mind about
what had happened.

I immediately went
into the interview room,

and started
talking with Barbara.

Can you, can you tell me
exactly what happened tonight?

Tonight? Yes.
Um, ok, it all started

I know that we
were on Facebook,

and I think this might have
been what triggered it.

He saw a bunch of bad comments
from somebody named Marian,

putting that,
you know,

that I'm a witch
and a reptile.

And I think when he saw it,
he got really angry,

and he commented, like,
a whole bunch of comments.

And I kept telling him, "Look,
just forget the whole thing.

Don't worry about it."
And afterwards,

you know, I don't
know after that,

I think that might have been
what triggered him

to be this way,
but then he's like,

"Come on, let's go
to the bar, and, you know,

have a little bit of fun," and
he seemed normal, you know.

We had, like,
one or two drinks,

and everything was well, ok.

And then when we
came home, he goes,

"You know, I need to
practice shooting my gun.

Come walk with me
into the woods."

So, he took his gun...
He grabbed it,

he loaded it,
he walked into the woods,

he fired a few rounds.

He goes, "Do you
wanna fire one?"

And, I'm like,
"No, that's ok", you know.

So, then, you know,
we walk back into the house.

All of a sudden,
he took the gun,

started putting
it into my hand.

He goes, "Here, take it,
point it at me. Point it."

He just starts grabbing it,
the thing, you know,

he put it in my hand
and he goes

"Point it at me,
and shoot it right now."

That's when it went off,
right there.

[Detective Bohrman] Ok.

[Barbara] And the thing is
ever since he... [sighs]

There's a woman
named Sherry Shriner...

and, ok, he used to be
close friends with her.

And he used to follow her.

He was really good
friends with her.

She runs a religious cult,

some type of weird
religious cult.

- Ok, are you
- And she's on Facebook.

And she talks about,
like, aliens and stuff.

Are, are either one
of you two in a cult?

Not anymore. See,
we were both friends with her,

but then one day,
out of the blue,

she just turned on us,
you know.

When me and him
got together,

she started
turning on both of us.

What cult?

Is there a, is there
a name for that cult?

No, they're just, they call
themselves Orgone Warriors.

- Oregon?
- Orgone Warriors. Yes.

Like the state Oregon?
Or just--

Not Oregon.
O-R-G-O-N-E.

Alright.

[crackling]

♪

Get the fuck-- that's
the house! Oh, shit...

It's just weird 'cause I feel
like I'm connecting to,

like, 2017 when, like,
you know, I heard the news.

I saw all the, the video,
with the state troopers

out front and stuff like that.
It's kind of weird to, to like,

to be here in person.
It's just weird.

You know, honestly,
in a million years,

I wouldn't think Steve
would've gotten shot and

killed the way he did.

And it's just, it's just so
weird that he lived here,

that's where him
and Barbara hung out.

And for him to not
be here anymore,

you know,
just the absence of him,

it's just,
it's so strange to me.

I'm just, I'm glad I
actually came here, man.

You know just to
see the house, you know.

'Cause he asked me, man,
he asked me so many times,

"Come out to the Poconos."
And I always thought like,

"Ah, you know, in a couple
of months I'll come out here,"

but I never
got around to it.

And then he got fucking
killed three months later.

I'm Charles Benincasa.

I was good friends with
Steve for several years.

Steve and me both had
similar interest in firearms.

We also had a similar interest
in conspiracy theories.

And, we also had
an affinity for, for, for,

for YouTube
and putting stuff up.

Steve had a
following on YouTube.

Hi, YouTube.
This is Steve.

He's well known in the
conspiracy theory world.

You know, some of his videos
have over 100,000 views.

Now, Steve, right now,
at the moment,

he's unemployed.
[laughing]

Oh, you don't have
to mention that.

Yeah, it sounds bad, but,
you know what

[inaudible]

Listen, listen,
unemployment's bad, right?

Yeah, and that zero jobs
were created in August.

I met Steve in 2010.

He, for the most part,
was always unemployed and

he would go through
people's trash and find,

like, TVs, computers,
and he would fix them up,

and then sell them
on Craigslist.

And, that's the way
he would support himself.

I mean, Steve always
talked about, like,

going to the mountains.

You know, he really
romanticized about it...

You know, growing up
in Jersey, in New York,

you know, there's a
certain tempo, you know.

The people are different.

And I think,
for a lot of people,

Pennsylvania is an escape.

I personally feel like it
attracts a lot of weirdos,

and a lot of misfits,
the people that couldn't

make it in Jersey,
in New York, you know.

Like Pennsylvania's
your next best option.

The way he painted it
was that he was

really happy out here,
you know.

[sighs] I swear if Steve
never met that girl, man,

he'd still be alive.

He'd be, he'd be
in North Arlington,

calling me up about his crazy
conspiracy theories, and...

[laughing]

He'd still be alive,
man, he'd still be alive.

♪

Ties to a cult may have
led to a fatal shooting

in Monroe County.

A woman is now in custody
for shooting her boyfriend

in the head.

Police say 42-year old
Barbara Rogers called 911

claiming she
shot her boyfriend,

32-year old Stephen Mineo,
and he was dead.

Rogers told police she and
Mineo were members of

a cult centered on
aliens and raptures,

headed by a woman
named Sherry Shriner.

♪

Sherry Shriner started
off on Blog Talk Radio.

I know that Sherry Shriner
hated being called a cult,

but she also
really liked it.

[Tony] The question
for me became,

what about Sherry
is worth following?

Why does anyone care
what Sherry Shriner says?

I think the most
important thing is

to deal with the reptilians.

I think once you kind of
understand the reptilians,

the rest comes a
little bit easier.

I mean, it's really very,
you know,

early 1980s alien
movie kind of stuff.

The new world order is
a broad way that

people describe the vast
conspiracy to control us.

There are a group of people
who want

complete domination
over the world.

And those people run
the banks, the governments.

They run everything, right?

In Sherry Shriner's case,
what's important is that

the devil is behind
the new world order.

They're taking
their orders from him,

from, from the devil.

♪

[Detective] I understand that
this was an accident,

but I need you to be as
specific as you can because

we have to compare the scene
to what you're telling us.

[Barbara Rogers]
Well, he took his gun.

He just starts putting it
in my hand and

he's pointing it
at his direction.

You know, he just goes--
he placed it in there and

he pointed it at,
at himself, and goes,

"Here, shoot it right now,"
And it just went off.

So, where was he when
he was saying that?

- In our house, right
- But where?

Where in the house?
On, on the bed? On the

We were beside the bed.
We were standing there.

- Standing up?
- Yeah. We were standing up.

[Detective] Standing,
standing by the bed.

Did it go off by accident?
Or

[Barbara]
It went off on accident.

I was actually trying
to let go, you know.

He was telling me,
you know,

"I want you to point this",
you know.

[Detective] How, how far would
you say the gun was

from him when it went off?

- Maybe this far?
- Was it...Ok.

So the gun from his
forehead was about that far?

Yes.

So, the gun was a Glock 45.

The gun was
laying next to him

approximately,
maybe 5 feet away.

It appeared to me to have
been placed on the floor

as opposed to falling on the
floor from a suicide

or being thrown from the floor.

It, it appeared as if it
was laid down on the floor.

[Detective Bohrman] Ok. So,
when the gun went off,

try to think of where
his hands were.

[Barbara] They could
have been off of it,

but I know that we both had it
on there at the same time.

I think he kind
of pushed me away.

He did push me away.

But I could tell
that was accidental.

I could tell by
looking at the forehead,

the wound had a star-shaped
pattern to the forehead,

which is typical of a very,
very close contact wound.

The body, the way
it was positioned...

it appeared to be that
Stephen had been sitting

on the floor when
the gun went off.

Are you sure he
was standing, because...

you sure that you guys
weren't sitting on the floor?

Or he wasn't
sitting on the floor?

None of us were
on the floor.

We were both standing.

Or sitting on the bed?

No, we were not
sitting on the bed.

- Both standing?
- Mhm.

When Barbara told me that
she and Stephen were

both standing when
the gun went off,

it was probably the first
indicator that something

wasn't completely truthful
here in this story.

That was not consistent with
what I had seen from the scene.

It was almost sure to me
that he had been sitting

on the floor when
the gun went off.

[Detective] Um, I, I'm gonna
step outside for a minute.

♪

[Barbara gasping]

[voice of Barbara Rogers]

[voice of 911 dispatcher]

[Barbara sobbing]

One of the things
that struck me,

the first time I heard it,
it's just clear that

she's not all there.

And I mean,
I don't blame her.

I've never seen
anyone's blood, you know.

I've never seen anyone get shot
in the head by me before,

but I would
imagine it's disorienting.

So, you know, she gave
the wrong address,

like, she's all over the place
from the get-go.

We've got a woman who shot
somebody in the head and

has no blood on her.

And we've got a 20-minute
lag time between her shot,

as she tells it, and the time
that she calls the police.

Of course,
it wasn't 20 minutes,

it was 20 seconds.

I mean, maybe as
she said, you know,

"Maybe I sat there
crying for a little while".

But I can't imagine
what that stress is like.

An out of place dead body
is disorienting enough,

let alone one that was
alive and then dead,

and she was there
for the transition.

And, it snapped
something in her.

She's just not really in touch
with what's going on anymore.

I think her memory got broken
when she shot Stephen.

♪

At some point
during the interview,

Detective Bray came in.

Sometimes a
different interviewer

will spark a different response.

I, like I said before, I think
you're a good person,

but there's more to this that
you're still not telling me.

It's not matching
with what's over there.

Not matching with
what's at the scene. Ok?

So... part of what,

part of what we found
over at the scene

is that he wasn't standing
when you pulled the trigger.

He was sitting on the
floor next to the bed.

[Barbara]
Sitting on the floor?

[Bray] It looks like he was
sitting on the floor with

his back against the,
against the bed.

[Barbara] No, he, he wasn't.

I'm confused.
He was not on the bed.

He was stand
He was clearly standing.

[Bray] Ok.

[Bohrman] It looks, it looks to
me like you did this on purpose.

No, no, I promise.

And, and, and on purpose
doesn't mean that, like,

you thought about
this in the morning and

you thought this is
gonna happen,

but it was just a
spur of the moment thing.

You were mad.

You did this, and now
you're sorry about it.

- Is that possible?
- I don't know.

I remember him standing up.

He placed the
gun in my hand.

It, it, it That doesn't,
that doesn't match.

My experience is when
someone lies about

small details, sometimes
they're lying about

large details too.

Sometimes, somebody can
make an honest mistake also.

It's possible that she could
have made a mistake like that

because this is
a traumatic event.

He, he's sitting
on the ground,

you put it right
against his head,

you pulled the trigger.
That's what matches.

[Barbara] He was sitting
on the ground?

[Bohrman] Yes.
And I understand why,

why you're trying, your mind
is trying to change it.

But in reality,
you know what happened.

And now, like, if you
want me to believe

you're sorry about this, you
have to tell the exact facts...

[Barbara sighs]

Right?
You did this on purpose.

I would never
shoot him on purpose.

But now I think it's
possible he could have

been sitting on the ground.

You know, everything
just happened so fast.

But see how many times
you've changed the story

already with me now?

Like, it's easier to tell it
right the first time

than to change it
a couple times.

As the inconstancies mount,
as there's more and

more of them, then, then it,
it makes me believe

more and more that
she's lying completely.

So he's sitting
on the ground, right?

Now you remember that?

I think it's, it's possible,
but I just, I don't know.

I remember him standing.

But it's possible
that he was,

he could have been
sitting on the ground.

And you put it
against his head and

you pulled the trigger.

It wasn't,
it wasn't an accident.

I'm not saying you
wanted to do it,

but it wasn't an accident.

You did it on purpose.
Right?

Well, I, I didn't mean
to do it on purpose.

I'm not saying you meant it.

I'm not saying
what you meant to do.

I'm just saying what
actually happened.

And that is you, you, you,
you put it at his head and

you pulled the trigger
on purpose.

Right?

Only a couple of days
after Stephen died,

Sherry went online to tell
everyone that

God had spoken with her,
and had revealed

what really happened in
the room that night.

And it's... it's weird.

[Tony]
According to Barbara,

Stephen and Barbara
met online...

through the
Sherry Shriner group.

It's not uncommon.

Someone sees
something they like.

Somebody thinks
somebody's cute.

They make a comment,
and then they,

they go from there.

♪

I remember him
telling me that,

you know,
he got a girlfriend,

which was a shock to me
because the many

conversations
Steve would have,

usually scare people away.

And I think in
a lot of ways,

it hurt his ability
to form relationships.

[Stephen] I make something
called Orgone.

I have a belief that
it does certain things.

It's harmless.

If you're human,
it won't hurt you.

This is what orgone is.
It's like a paperweight.

It's not a bomb.

There's nothing
harmful about this.

[Tony] One of the things
his mother told me was that

he was very,
very shy around girls.

When a mother says that,
I feel like it's kind of

a code for, he didn't know
how to talk to girls and

he didn't go out a lot.

When he got with Barbara,
I was very shocked, you know?

And I, I almost
felt like, well,

if he's with Barbara,
there's gotta be more to

this story because
a normal person

wouldn't get into a
relationship with Steve.

I felt that there
has to be an agenda.

And, I saw, I remember
seeing the pictures of her,

and I remember him
telling me

he's the happiest
he's ever been.

And I remember just looking
at her pictures and

finding it very odd.

I think it was the
darkening of the eyes,

the, just the, the long face.

Very emotionless.

The photos, it just,
it didn't sit right with me.

And I was like,
she looks like a witch.

That was my first take,
she looks evil.

A buddy of mine who's
not a conspiracy theorist,

ok, and I find him to be
a fairly logical person,

also said she
looks like a witch.

I'm like, yeah, you know,
there's something off.

But in a way, I was happy
for Steve, you know,

that somebody had
similar views to him and

somebody can relate to him,
so I was happy for him.

But, I always knew in the
back of my head that...

something was amiss.

It was Steve's first
serious relationship.

And, a lot of people
know how that is,

when you get into your
first serious relationship,

how powerful that is.

And, I just remember thinking
to myself, I hope Steve's okay.

I hope she's not going to,
like, rob him.

My thoughts weren't,
she was going to kill him.

Maybe Steve has something
that she wants, you know?

And she's going to use him
to get something out of him.

That's my opinion.

♪

[Detective] How far away
from him were you...

when you shot him?

I don't know, it could
have been this far.

The gun was probably
touching his head, right?

I would imagine the gun
was almost touching

his forehead, if it was not
pressed against his forehead.

I think, I think it was pressed
against his forehead.

I think you
pulled it on purpose.

In fact, I know that
you pulled it on purpose.

I don't think that
you were planning this,

but I think that's exactly
what happened, correct?

[Barbara] It might, yes, that,
that could be right.

Why, why is the
gun on his forehead?

Could things have happened?

Could he have put it on his
forehead as she was

trying to get it away, and
then an accident happened?

Yes. There's always some
possibility that

there could've been an accident.
But she never--

that's why a lot of
this investigation...

...was on her. She needed to
tell us what happened.

He might've given you the
gun because he was mad.

But he didn't ask
you to shoot him.

[Bray] Is that what she
said first, that he asked her?

[Bohrman] That's what--
she had said that originally,

but she changed that.

[Bray] Can you clear
that up for me?

Just so I understand.

At first you said he wanted
you to shoot... him?

[Barbara]
He-- Yeah, I did say that.

I think he did say
something like that.

He said, "Here, I want you to "
He just put my hand,

he put it there,
and he said,

"Here, I want you to
shoot this gun."

I think from there, it did
accidentally go off

when he put it in my hand.

I didn't think it
was gonna hit him.

Part of the investigation
with Barbara and some of

what she initially purported
was that he had to

show her how to shoot this gun.

And, it was an accident.
It went off by accident.

She had military
training in firearms.

She would know
how to shoot a gun.

Could you stand up and
show me what you mean?

Because it will help me.

So, if-- we'll say this
wall is the edge of the bed.

Where is he and
where are you?

I guess he, he would've
been here and then I,

I would have been here.

You know, he hand--
handed me the gun.

He said, "Point it".

And I think the second,
the second I did that,

yeah, I shot it
and it went off.

Okay. So you're
holding it down here.

That means he was sitting.

You remember now that he
was sitting on the ground?

- Yeah, mhm.
- Okay.

And you remember...

if he was sitting
against that wall,

like that wall was the bed,

how close would you
have been to him?

I think I was a
little bit closer to him.

I could have been
like maybe right here.

Okay. And so, show me
with your hands,

how you would have
been holding the gun?

Um, he put it in my hand
and then I went like that.

So, where would, where would
his head have been

at this point? About here?
Or right next to it?

Because I want,
I want you to be,

I want you to remember.

It seems like you're remembering
now what happened.

- Yeah.
- So, you show me.

I would think it
was right here.

So, right next to his head?
Like, if your finger,

make your finger
the barrel of the gun.

Show me with--
where his head would be.

His head would be
like around here.

Yeah, right here.

Ok. So you put the gun
right up to his head?

- Yeah. [mutters]
- Ok.

And then pulled
the trigger, right?

Yeah.

So, that was
good enough for me.

At that point, I went back
to doing what I was doing,

and John continued the
interview a little bit more.

At this point, we're gonna
be charging you with...

criminal homicide.

Um, ha A lot of what
you're telling me is a lie,

and I know that.

So, kind of, this is
your last chance...

to tell me.

I don't know.
What should I say?

The truth.

♪

My name is Jeff Monzo.

I was one of the attorneys that
represented Barbara Rogers.

And, I'm Dick Galloway
and I was the other defense

counsel in the defense
of Barbara Rogers.

My first impression of,
of Barbara was that

she was scared.

She was a
little bit confused.

And certainly sad by
what had happened.

She explained her experience
with the police to us.

She explained the
background with...

Stephen and Sherry Shriner.

And I remember being
very struck by her...

her innocence.

When Barbara
was interviewed,

she was interviewed for
six and a half hours.

And this is a person who
has mental health issues.

She hadn't slept in,
I don't know what,

better than a day.

And, you see the mental
health problem she has when

you watch that, because
she sort of is trying to

figure out what really
happened because,

obviously, this is a terribly
traumatic event for her.

And her story,
you know, the,

her version of it
wanders around a little bit.

But they're telling her,
in essence,

they don't believe her.
They're questioning her.

And she begins,
it seems to me,

to be questioning herself.

And that's what
happens in interrogation.

She was under constant
video and audio recording

the whole time she was there.

They would leave
for periods of time.

You could see her,
she'd say things like,

"I'm really cold.
I'm really tired."

Detective Bray and
Detective Bohrman

didn't like what
they were hearing.

She told them 24 times
that this was an accident,

and they would-- they simply
refused to believe it.

And that interrogation
wasn't going to stop

until as, as, as...

until she gave them some,
at least inconsistencies

to doubt the credibility
that it was an accident,

in my opinion.
I believe that, that...

if, in fact,
she changed her story,

that it was to satisfy them
who were searching for

their version of events,
and importantly,

searching for a motive
that they never,

after 7 hours of
interrogation, got.

[Bohrman] I do believe that she
purposely pulled the trigger.

I don't know if she realized
that that would kill him or not,

but I believe she purposely
pulled the trigger.

I don't believe that
it was an accident.

I don't believe that Stephen
pulled it and shot himself.

We are confident at that
point that we have the

right person and
she murdered Stephen.

We were comfortable
with charging her and

that she's the one that did it.

Like, we never really
established a motive,

not that we need to
establish a motive,

but I don't think that there
was anyone else involved.

[Tony] I think the police saw it
as an open-and-shut case,

and I think it may have
affected the way that they...

proceeded.

I don't want to say
for a second that

they weren't taking it
seriously, but it's clear,

they want to solve...

the crime, but they
don't want to understand,

they don't need
to understand it.

♪

[clanking chains]

The police
didn't have a motive.

Barbara didn't really
provide them with one.

Couldn't, couldn't
provide them with one.

The best that they could do
was that Stephen was angry,

and wanted to die, because
he got kicked out of that cult.

[Reporters] Barbara, is there
anything you'd like to say?

Did you kill Stephen?

Do you have anything
you want to say to us?

Did a cult have
anything to do with this?

[News] According to
court paperwork,

Rogers changed her story
multiple times and

kept contradicting herself.

First, she claimed the victim
asked her if she wanted

to learn to shoot a gun
and had her put the gun

on his forehead and
pull the trigger.

Then, she said she shot
the victim standing up

from a distance, away.

And finally, she said the victim
wanted her to kill him and

was undergoing a lot of stress
due to problems with a cult.

♪

♪

[voice of Barbara Rogers]

[Stephen] This is what's
happening right now!

If they were to listen
to me over the years,

they don't understand,
truth divides, okay?

♪

I don't think
Stephen Mineo's fate

was sealed when he met
Barbara Rogers.

There are plenty of
scenarios where Barbara

doesn't kill Stephen.

But, I don't think there are
very many scenarios

where Sherry Shriner doesn't
betray Stephen Mineo and

drive him to the edge.

[Stephen] I felt like killing
myself over this.

I felt like killing
myself because of her.

♪

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