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- The first film I ever
saw where there was nudity,
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yes, and I loved it, "Shampoo."
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- [George] Sorry.
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- "Caligula."
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"Caligula," how old was I
when "Caligula" came out?
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Was I 12, 11?
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- So I never saw nudity in
a film, until I was in it.
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They wouldn't even let me
go in to see my own film.
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Which was hilarious
because I said,
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I hate to say, but I was
the one who made it rated R.
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- Wow, everybody's naked!
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And they're touching
each other, oh my God.
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- "Blue Lagoon," Brooke Shields.
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- I mean I'm sure I did see,
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"Fast Times at Ridgemont
High," when I was younger.
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- Well Hedy Lamarr, I think, did
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a Swedish picture called,
"Ekstase," "Ecstasy."
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- "Bid Bad Mama."
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So when we found out
that Angie Dickinson
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was doing a nude scene, oh
yes, we went to the drive in.
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- The one with Marlon Brando
with the French Movie,
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the Bertolucci
movie, the butter.
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[laughing]
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Yeah, "Last Tango in Paris."
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- My own movie with
my sister, Margo.
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I don't think she was fully
nude, but she'd been raped,
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and I saw her breasts,
and I was mortified.
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- Pornos maybe I saw
when I was young.
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[grunting]
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- I'd never seen a
movie where an actress
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just took her top off and
there was nothing underneath.
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Whoa, wow, anything is possible.
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[calm music]
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- Right now we're in a very
interesting time where people
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are very aware of power
dynamics, and especially
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when they pertain to sexuality.
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And this is all the
result of the Me Too
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movement that hit
Hollywood in 2017.
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- First though, we begin with
the growing Me Too movement.
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Hundreds marching down
Hollywood Boulevard.
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- Evidence of new rape
allegations against
Harvey Weinstein.
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- Actor Richard Dreyfuss is
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the latest big
name to be accused.
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- [Reporter] A new
allegation of sexual assault.
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- [Reporter] Claiming actor,
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Steven Seagal,
sexually assaulted--
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- Three women have now
accused Dustin Hoffman.
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- Five women have come
forward accusing--
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[all talking at once]
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- Now with the #MeToo Movement,
think it's really important
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for women to know that
nudity in film is a choice.
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And it's never an expectation.
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- For, "Striptease," when we
all had our final audition,
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we had to all perform
a dance that we
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choreographed ourself,
chose our own music.
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And during that dance we
had to take off our top.
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We didn't even
have the role yet,
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and we're already doing nudity.
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Which was awkward but I did it.
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- You never audition
with nudity.
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You never, I never had to
take my clothes to get a part.
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- There is no just reason
for 30, 40, 50 people
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milling around when a
nude scene is happening.
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I think lawyers that
represent actresses
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are getting very
aggressive in how they
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are writing the nudity riders.
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- There's an actual contract,
part of the contract,
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called a nudity rider where
they get very specific
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about what you will
and what you won't do.
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So when you get on
set you're protected.
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Because there are times
where you get on a set,
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and you agreed to do a
certain amount of nudity,
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and the director will
try to push those limits.
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- We went to the set of the
HBO series, "The Deuce,"
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where they have a new job
called Intimacy Coordinator.
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- And if you are asking
your actors too simply
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roll around naked with each
other, or even just with
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a piece of cloth between them,
and get off on each other,
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you're asking your
actors to do sex work.
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And, besides being in violation
of our union standards,
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is also not what these actors
are hired to do, I would hope.
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- As an actress, I have to
say that once I did nudity,
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I went from being
a girl to a woman.
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As an actress, I became
an actress to an artist.
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- There's something about being
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free from the
hindrance of clothing.
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There is a real essence of
strength of character and mind.
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Because it's just raw me.
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And I'm not trying to
be anything other than
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what is my physicality and
what is my mind behind that.
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- I didn't know if they were
saying I was a good actress,
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or if I was, they just
liked to see me naked.
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I think that the
whole idea of feeling,
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when you're a young
actress, that here it goes,
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it's inevitable, I'm
gonna have to do nudity
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or I'm not gonna get anywhere
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is part of a much bigger story.
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- Nudity is never gonna go away.
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It's something we're
always fascinated by.
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I think it's educational.
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- The purpose of art is
to take what we have now,
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and argue with eternity that
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it belongs in the
eternal dialogue.
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That's what advances us as
a culture, us as a society.
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I think that there's
that impulse to
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hold on to anything
that is fleeting.
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And the nude is just,
it's seen as perfection.
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It's seen as eternal.
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The human body between
then and now is,
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the only difference is what
is sexually attractive,
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what isn't sexually attractive,
and those things change too.
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The day after Michelangelo died,
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the Pope hired an artist to
come in and start painting.
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Because in that time
span, nudity had gone
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from something that
was acceptable,
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and especially comprehensible.
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All of a sudden nudity
was totally unacceptable.
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So we see the pendulum of
conservative and liberal just.
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And of course in cinema
it's the same thing.
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When you're at a museum,
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or you're at home
looking at a painting,
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you're looking at that
illusionistic window.
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It's almost the same
proportions as a cinema frame.
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Cinema is painting,
it's got the movement,
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the precise reproduction
and the narrative
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of great Renaissance paintings.
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[calm music]
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- Probably 20 minutes
after they invented film,
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somebody thought,
wouldn't it be neat
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if we started
photographing naked people?
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And so I think there's
been nudity since
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the very early days, in
fact, you might even say
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there's been nudity in films
from before there were films.
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[calm music]
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Eadweard Muybridge, a
famous photographer, began
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experimenting photographing
animals and humans in motion.
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And the human beings
were almost always naked.
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- He was pioneering film maker.
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And they were also
pioneering nudes.
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- [Jonathan] And then
once movies kind of go out
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to the public as
an entertainment
form, by the 1890s,
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I'm sure there were
probably clandestine
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nudies and photographs
of naked people.
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At the turn to the 20th
century movies were
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very very short, maybe
lasting a minute in length.
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They were mostly
just, you might say,
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sensations or attractions.
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Georges Melies, in 1897 made
a film, "After the Ball,"
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which featured a woman
who later became his wife.
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- It's very quick, you
don't see a whole lot.
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I think mostly
you see her rear.
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But it was still
risque for the time,
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something that
people had not seen.
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So it caused quite a stir.
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- Well around 1913, 1914 a
group of Eastern filmmakers
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like Carl Laemmle, D.W.
Griffith, Cecil B. Demille,
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decided that the
weather in New England,
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and the unions in
New England weren't
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worth dealing with much longer.
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And they decided to
come out to California,
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which is the perfect place
for motion picture making.
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It's like God created a state
that'd be perfect for
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this new industry art,
where you've basically
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got great clear
weather, sunny weather.
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And the key here is probably
1915, when D.W. Griffith
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produces and directs,
"The Birth of a Nation,"
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which I think you
can probably consider
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the landmark flagship
motion picture that
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begins what we think of as
the narrative feature film
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that will be an
evening's entertainment.
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- The thing that really invented
nudity in films in America,
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ironically, was the greatest
inventor in American history.
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And that would be
Thomas Alva Edison.
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Edison claimed to have invented
the motion picture camera,
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and the motion
picture projector.
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He didn't, the Lumiere
brothers of France did.
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But he was strong enough
in the United States
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to say that he did
it, and got patents on
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the motion picture
projector and camera.
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So he then said that
anyone who wanted to show
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a motion picture had
to pay a license fee.
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And he formed something
called The Trust,
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which was a monopoly that said
if you want to do a picture
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in the United States, you
have to pay Thomas Edison
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and The Trust in order
to show a picture.
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People didn't want to pay that.
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So a very small segment,
called The Independents,
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decided we're gonna
make our own movies.
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The problem they had was
they weren't powerful,
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like the monopoly of The Trust,
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so they had to come
up with a gimmick
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that would be able to
allow them to compete.
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And they said, maybe we
could show skin.
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And they knew that it
had to have some kind of
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redeeming social
importance, it couldn't be
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considering prueent
or scandalous.
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So they decided to make it
based on an artists model.
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It was filmed in New York,
and the top artist model
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was a woman named Audrey Munson.
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And Audrey Munson is the
inspiration for at least 15
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statues and sculptures that
are in New York City alone.
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So they decided to
come up with a movie,
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since she was the inspiration
of all these sculptors,
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and they called
it, "Inspiration."
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And that was in 1915.
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And as long as you
were motionless,
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and like a tableau,
and like a statue,
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that wasn't considered
to be erotic, or sexual.
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It was considered to be
artistic and classical.
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It was a huge huge
success, no surprise.
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And she followed up a
year later with, "Purity."
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Again these all had
to have some kind of
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redeeming social importance.
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She played a dual role,
Purity and Virtue.
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And she became the most
famous actress in America.
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And it was a counterpoint
to the main guys
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that were the big guys,
the Edison and The Trust.
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They were putting on
people like Mary Pickford,
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and Lillian Gish, and trying
to appeal to a huge audience.
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And so they were
the girl next door.
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So the contrast with The
Independents putting out
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someone who is a nude
artist model was certainly,
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piqued the public's attention.
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This story became very
tragic, though, after that.
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Because she drank mercury
in a suicide attempt.
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And they said that she
was very close to death.
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She somehow survived
for the next 74 years,
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dying at age 104 in 1996.
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But she was in a sanitarium
most of that time.
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So it was a very sad end.
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And people saw that as
somebody poses nude,
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and it's the road to
ruin and degradation.
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- "A Daughter of the Gods,"
starring Annette Kellermann
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for Fox in 1916 has
nude swimming scenes.
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Annette Kellermann was a
swimming star from Australia.
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And she was already a star
really before she made movies.
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- She held all the world
records for swimming.
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And she also had gotten
arrested in Boston in 1907
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because she a wore a
one piece bathing suit,
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which was considered scandalous.
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- [Jonathan] And the movies
that she made in Hollywood
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were clearly designed to
exploit her swimming abilities.
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And in deed, she appears naked,
although she has long hair
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that artfully covers
certain parts of herself.
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- She undress but
she has tresses,
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and they come down and
they cover her breasts.
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But, because she's
moving, as opposed to
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what the artist model did,
it shifts from side to side.
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glimpses of actually
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bare female flesh
in an American film.
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made of it called,
"Million Dollar Mermaid."
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And it starred Esther
Williams in 1952.
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So once the barrier of
showing nudity in film
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had been crossed then it started
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to seep more into the
mainstream movies.
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And there was a movie in
1916 called "Intolerance,"
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by the very famous
director, D.W. Griffith.
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- And one of the historical
settings is Babylon.
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It shows the debauchery that
was going on at the time,
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which is I think 500 BC,
and how crazy things got.
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And part of the debauchery is
the extras in the background
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baring their
breasts, and orgies,
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and kind of like a pre
Caligula, Caligula in many ways.
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- So it enabled them to make
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the argument that this had
redeeming social importance,
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and that it was
based on history.
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It was not a problem, the
audiences ate them up.
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- From about 1915 to 1927,
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the glorious age
of silent cinema,
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you have the motion
picture studios creating
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the modern assembly
line of production.
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And at the time
movies were considered
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a kind of disreputable medium.
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- There was some big sex
scandals that happened.
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In the early '20s, the
William Desmond Taylor
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scandal where he was murdered.
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Fatty Arbuckle problem.
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- Headline making
scandals involving
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drugs, death, suicide, rape.
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Hollywood was configured as the
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kind of Sodom on the Pacific.
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- People don't
realize that movies
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were really risque
back in the '20s.
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- It was coming off of
something of a social revolution
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with regard to women in the
1920s that was beginning
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to get reflected
in sexual mores.
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And those were getting
reflected in the movies.
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And people who were against
where the future was heading,
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didn't like it, wanted to head
it off, and so they thought
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that it would be
necessary to have a code.
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- Hollywood had a huge public
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relations problem
as a result of this.
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And of course, Hollywood
wants to appeal to everybody.
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They make films for
the mass audience.
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They don't want a black eye.
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- In 1927, "Wings," came out.
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And it became the first
Academy Award winning picture.
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But it was scandalous
in its own way.
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There were two men
kissing in the film.
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And also Clara Bow,
who was considered
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a very big star a the time,
she exposed her breasts.
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And for an acclaimed
movie in a big production,
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for that to happen it was
quite risque at the time.
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- And so increasingly, in the
late 1920s various groups of
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what at the time were
called moral guardians,
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decide that Hollywood
really has a bad influence.
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And this will only accelerate
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in 1927 with the onset of sound.
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♪ Don't cry Tootsie don't cry
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♪ Goodbye Tootsie goodbye
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- Almost overnight the whole
industry became sound oriented.
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Silent movies were
done within a year.
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It was during the depression,
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people wanted to be cheered up.
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So they had sound movies to
go to, they had musicals.
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They had movies
that spoke to them.
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A lot of the movies reflected
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what was going on
in society then.
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- Then you had sexual innuendo.
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That's when you had Mae West.
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- I shall die to make you happy.
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- Ooh, but you wouldn't
be much use to me dead.
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- I see a man in your life.
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- What, only one?
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- All of her films are
getting condemned ratings
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from the new Legion of Decency.
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- They set up a thing called
The Catholic Legion of Decency,
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which rates movies A, B, or C.
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And A is just totally fine.
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B is we have some
qualms about this but,
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if you have to see it, see it.
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C is if you see it, you're
actually going to go to hell.
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[buzzer buzzing]
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They would give Catholics
the list in church,
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and tell them what
movies to see.
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But it turns out that Catholics
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would take that list,
and go to the movies.
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They would take the list, they'd
say oh, this must be good.
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- I love the period right before
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the production code kicks in.
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When you're watching people like
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Busby Berkeley
just push the limit
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as far as cinema was
going to go right then.
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All the girls are
meant to look naked.
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And he knows exactly what
he's doing, and that he's
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probably not gonna get
away with this in a year.
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- And there were was
censorship boards
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popping up all over the country.
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Those censorship boards
were a huge nuisance,
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because they would have to cut
their movies for each state.
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New York State was
one of the worst.
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And so a lot of the versions
of movies that would go out,
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would be a lot more racy
outside of New York State.
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- Movies had no first amendment
rights during this period.
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In 1915 the Supreme
Court ruled that movies
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are a business, pure and simple.
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And just like meat, going
across interstate lines,
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movies could be regulated by
the states, and by cities.
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No first amendment
rights at all until 1952.
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So if the state can regulate
your industry, why not go
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for a self regulation
scheme that keeps the state,
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the city, and especially
the feds off your back?
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- They decided to try
to bring in somebody
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who would go to
the various states,
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and say look you don't
need censorship boards.
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We'll censor ourselves
according to a code of conduct.
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- And to allay those fears,
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the moguls decide to
appoint a front man to head
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The Motion Picture Producers
and Distributors of America,
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which was a cartel of
the Hollywood producers.
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Where, like a lot
of businessmen,
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they come together
in order to regulate
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their own art, and to
keep out competition.
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- [Jonathan] And
he hired Will Hays,
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who was the Postmaster
General of the United States.
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- Who better to determine how
Hollywood polices themselves
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than the former Postmaster
General of the United States?
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- The Hays code was created
because middle America,
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much as it is now,
was up in arms about
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the scandals going
on in Hollywood.
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- I mean the Catholics
had been at the work of
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artistic censorship
for nearly 2000 years.
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So they really
know how to do it.
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- And so in 1930 Will
Hays gets together
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with several key Catholic
individuals in Los Angeles,
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and he formalizes his
don'ts and be carefuls.
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He writes them out
into a much more
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elaborate and specific
production code.
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- I had to do a lot
of research into
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the production code
administration cuts to film.
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Which that was fascinating
too, just the minute detail.
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The mere suggestion
flesh or indecency.
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- Well, what the code
says about nudity is that
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nudity is prohibited,
period, full stop.
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And that nudity in fact, or
in silhouette, is prohibited.
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And that other
characters in the film
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looking at offscreen nudity
cannot even pretend it's there,
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and gaze upon it licentiously.
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- The nice thing about
Will Hays is that Will Hays
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couldn't care less about
morality, couldn't care less.
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He was making 100,000
dollars from the studios.
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And was basically like
Jack Valenti later on.
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He worked for the studios, and
he cared about the studios,
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and that's where
his loyalty was.
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- We look back at Will
Hays now and can have many,
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many laughs about it
because everything was so,
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thou shall not do this,
you should not have that.
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No nudity, no this, no
that, and nothing licentious
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or lecherous, and used
words that were very
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value judgment triggers.
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- The term pre-code
does not really refer to
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before the code, but before
the enforcement of the code.
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Because the code existed
throughout the pre-code era,
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but it just wasn't
enforced, fortunately.
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The studios thought
that the code, in 1930,
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was a public relations
ploy and they had
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absolutely no intention
of enforcing it.
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- There were many
companies, of course,
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in the red, facing bankruptcy,
who were desperate.
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And in particular, Paramount
and Warner Brothers.
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They felt they couldn't be
limited by the production code.
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They needed their sex to sell
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their movies during
these desperate times.
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- So you have these
pre-code films
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that really got away with a lot.
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- [Mick] The movie
that really got them
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to enforce the code was, "The
Sign of the Cross," from 1932.
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- "Sign of the The Cross,"
is filled with sex,
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filled with nudity,
filled with homosexuality,
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filled with bestiality,
everything you can think of
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that's not terribly Christian
that's in the Bible.
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- [Mick] "Sign of the Cross,"
displays Claudette Colbert
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in a way that the
production code
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of 1934 certainly
would not have allowed.
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- You see her breasts
bobbing up in the water,
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but no one said
a word, pre-code.
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And DeMille had a foot fetish.
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And he had some kind
of really unhealthy
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connection between nude
women and gorillas.
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And in, "The Sign of the
Cross," we have a sequence where
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a Christian woman
is tied to a post.
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And this very horny looking
gorilla is walking towards her
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as if there's gonna be
a sexual, this is 1932.
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Because DeMille for all
his puritanical preaching,
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he showed you every
vice under the sun.
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- It's very interesting,
because it looks like,
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had the code not come in,
there would have been nudity.
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Because it was, nudity was
coming, it was really clear.
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"Murder at the Vanities,"
you see the women are nude
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but they're covering
their nipples.
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♪ And then you put me to sleep
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♪ Sweet marijuana marijuana
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- That was followed one year
later, in 1933 by, "Ecstasy,"
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which is one of the most
notorious movies ever made.
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It was actually shot in Hungary.
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- My father told me
about Hedy Lamarr,
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and that he was
so struck by her.
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Because that was really
for him the first,
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I think probably the first
time he'd seen a nude woman.
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So he would have been very
young when he saw, "Ecstasy."
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And he probably saw an early
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cut of it, because
of his father.
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- [Jonathan] And the
scene takes place.
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She's out in a lake
swimming, and she's draped
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her clothes over her horse,
and the horse runs away.
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So she has to run
after the horse
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in order to retrieve
her clothes.
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So she runs through the woods,
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and she is full frontal nude.
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- [Mick] The scene is something
that is just so eye popping,
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in the context of Hollywood
film in the 1930s.
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It's truly amazing.
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Now the film, of course, didn't
get a production code seal.
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- And then he said, a few
years later, when she came
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to Hollywood she came
for dinner at the house.
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00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,580
And he told me he couldn't take
his eyes off of her breasts.
481
00:23:29,615 --> 00:23:31,340
- [Jonathan] "Ecstasy,"
would have been censored
482
00:23:31,375 --> 00:23:34,758
by city agencies,
by state agencies.
483
00:23:34,792 --> 00:23:36,725
It would probably show
for a couple of nights
484
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,002
at your local theater before the
485
00:23:38,037 --> 00:23:40,729
local cops came in
and shut it down.
486
00:23:40,764 --> 00:23:42,628
And it might have been
shown in a censored version,
487
00:23:42,662 --> 00:23:45,320
despite how it would
have been advertised.
488
00:23:45,354 --> 00:23:47,426
Because there's nothing like it
489
00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:49,911
in Hollywood cinema
in the '30s and '40s.
490
00:23:49,945 --> 00:23:52,983
- That is maybe
the first sex scene
491
00:23:53,017 --> 00:23:56,020
based on female
pleasure, full stop.
492
00:23:56,055 --> 00:23:57,643
If you've seen it,
you know what I mean.
493
00:23:57,677 --> 00:24:00,749
- Throughout the pre-code
era, you'd occasionally
494
00:24:00,784 --> 00:24:03,027
get glimpses of nudity in film.
495
00:24:03,062 --> 00:24:07,307
And maybe the most notorious
example, "Tarzan and His Mate."
496
00:24:07,342 --> 00:24:09,482
- And this was a ploy used
by a lot of the producers.
497
00:24:09,517 --> 00:24:11,035
Because if you set it in
498
00:24:11,070 --> 00:24:13,624
a native country,
or native setting--
499
00:24:13,659 --> 00:24:15,661
- Wait, Tarzan. [screaming]
500
00:24:15,695 --> 00:24:17,214
[dress tearing]
501
00:24:17,248 --> 00:24:18,836
- [Barry] People didn't
wear clothes in the jungle.
502
00:24:18,871 --> 00:24:21,045
There's a scene
where Tarzan and Jane
503
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,290
swim underwater in the nude.
504
00:24:24,324 --> 00:24:25,947
And a lot of of people that was,
505
00:24:25,981 --> 00:24:28,639
or were supposed to think
that was Maureen O'Sullivan,
506
00:24:28,674 --> 00:24:30,676
but it was not, it
was a body double.
507
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:31,953
And that's the first instance of
508
00:24:31,987 --> 00:24:35,059
a body double being
used for a nude scene.
509
00:24:35,094 --> 00:24:37,993
- In the context of Hollywood
cinema this was abhorrent.
510
00:24:38,028 --> 00:24:41,549
And it have of a sort of
picture of what Hollywood cinema
511
00:24:41,583 --> 00:24:44,034
might have been like had
not the production code
512
00:24:44,068 --> 00:24:48,003
come in and busted
up the party in 1934.
513
00:24:48,038 --> 00:24:50,868
- And then in the very
last pre-code movie,
514
00:24:50,903 --> 00:24:52,732
which was actually
released after the code,
515
00:24:52,767 --> 00:24:56,529
but it was approved,
somehow, before the code.
516
00:24:56,564 --> 00:24:59,808
And then it wasn't, it didn't
go through the process.
517
00:24:59,843 --> 00:25:01,534
It was, "Scarlet Empress."
518
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,537
And, "The Scarlet
Empress," actually begins
519
00:25:04,572 --> 00:25:07,540
with a torture scene
of women getting
520
00:25:07,575 --> 00:25:09,577
burned as witches and
they're all naked.
521
00:25:10,578 --> 00:25:13,373
[calm music]
522
00:25:13,408 --> 00:25:15,859
- Then the production
code came in in 1934.
523
00:25:15,893 --> 00:25:20,553
And that was Joseph
Breen, who was a censor,
524
00:25:20,588 --> 00:25:22,831
a religious man, a moral police.
525
00:25:22,866 --> 00:25:25,247
And basically just decreed
that no film could be made
526
00:25:25,282 --> 00:25:27,836
in America unless it
passed muster with him.
527
00:25:27,871 --> 00:25:31,081
- He's the guy who quite
literally put his imprint
528
00:25:31,115 --> 00:25:34,394
on every classical
Hollywood film.
529
00:25:34,429 --> 00:25:37,846
- It may interest you to sit
in with us at a meeting of
530
00:25:37,881 --> 00:25:41,919
the production code
administration in Hollywood,
531
00:25:41,954 --> 00:25:46,268
where we are working for finer
and better motion pictures.
532
00:25:46,303 --> 00:25:49,375
Form the very beginning
of the picture we work
533
00:25:49,409 --> 00:25:52,792
with producers, authors,
and all who are connected
534
00:25:52,827 --> 00:25:57,038
with the production to the
end, that the finished product
535
00:25:57,072 --> 00:25:59,765
may be free from
reasonable objection.
536
00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:04,252
- There's a strong case to
be made that the Hays code,
537
00:26:04,286 --> 00:26:06,944
or rather the Breen code,
that's really what it was,
538
00:26:06,979 --> 00:26:09,464
changed not only the
morality of movies,
539
00:26:09,498 --> 00:26:10,741
but changed the
morality of the country
540
00:26:10,776 --> 00:26:12,950
because of the influence
that movies had.
541
00:26:12,985 --> 00:26:16,782
Breen was the guy who actually
regulated Hollywood cinema
542
00:26:16,816 --> 00:26:20,613
from 1934 to 1954,
basically what we think of
543
00:26:20,648 --> 00:26:23,478
as the classical
studio system era.
544
00:26:23,512 --> 00:26:26,343
But they give Breen
the power to actually
545
00:26:26,377 --> 00:26:28,448
forbid financing of
a motion picture.
546
00:26:28,483 --> 00:26:32,176
Without Breen's green light,
a Hollywood studio, could not
547
00:26:32,211 --> 00:26:35,179
get financing from the banks
in New York to make the film.
548
00:26:35,214 --> 00:26:36,733
- If the code movies
that were made
549
00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:39,321
in the '30s and '40s
teach us anything,
550
00:26:39,356 --> 00:26:43,118
is that there are ways
around stuff to suggest
551
00:26:44,533 --> 00:26:48,676
the most vile things without
actually having to show them.
552
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:51,644
- One of the first films
that defied the moral order
553
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:54,543
of the production code, and
the production code authority
554
00:26:54,578 --> 00:26:55,614
is Howard Hughes', "The Outlaw."
555
00:26:55,648 --> 00:26:58,133
- What do you know about that?
556
00:26:58,168 --> 00:27:01,550
- Which is basically a
five year long dispute
557
00:27:01,585 --> 00:27:05,658
that Howard Hughes has with the
Breen office beginning in '41
558
00:27:05,693 --> 00:27:09,524
into '43, and then it gets
sort of released in '46,
559
00:27:09,558 --> 00:27:12,769
in which it's advertising
campaign is perhaps the most,
560
00:27:12,803 --> 00:27:16,013
in the Breen office eyes,
most offensive thing about it,
561
00:27:16,048 --> 00:27:19,189
in which there'd be
billboards enticing audiences
562
00:27:19,223 --> 00:27:21,881
with the tag line, "What
are the two great reasons
563
00:27:21,916 --> 00:27:24,159
"to see Jane Russell
in The Outlaw?"
564
00:27:24,194 --> 00:27:29,199
They actually hired a blimp
to go over San Francisco
565
00:27:30,579 --> 00:27:32,581
advertising the film as
well, and the blimp imagery,
566
00:27:32,616 --> 00:27:35,481
and Jane Russell imagery
is kind of obvious.
567
00:27:35,515 --> 00:27:39,485
- For a long time nudity was
considered a career breaker.
568
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,350
And in 1952, Marilyn Monroe was
569
00:27:42,384 --> 00:27:43,972
just starting to
make it as a starlet.
570
00:27:44,007 --> 00:27:46,699
And a gossip columnist found
out that there had been
571
00:27:46,734 --> 00:27:49,909
a calendar that Marilyn
had posed for in 1949.
572
00:27:49,944 --> 00:27:52,394
So they called a
press conference.
573
00:27:52,429 --> 00:27:53,672
And they asked
her, and they said
574
00:27:53,706 --> 00:27:55,501
what did you have on
in the calendar photo?
575
00:27:55,535 --> 00:27:57,537
And she said the radio.
576
00:27:57,572 --> 00:27:59,712
So it went from being a
negative to a positive.
577
00:27:59,747 --> 00:28:01,334
And I think that's
what changed
578
00:28:01,369 --> 00:28:05,718
the whole ethos
of nudity in film.
579
00:28:05,753 --> 00:28:07,720
- In the 1950s there's
a growing market
580
00:28:07,755 --> 00:28:09,584
for what were calling nudies.
581
00:28:09,618 --> 00:28:12,587
And these are basically
cheap 16, 35 millimeter
582
00:28:12,621 --> 00:28:17,247
films sometimes, of films,
not production code films,
583
00:28:17,281 --> 00:28:19,870
they would never get a
production code seal.
584
00:28:19,905 --> 00:28:22,355
- In the mid to
late 50's you had
585
00:28:22,390 --> 00:28:24,841
these things called nudist
films.
586
00:28:24,875 --> 00:28:28,845
- In 1954 the New York
State Board of Appeals ruled
587
00:28:28,879 --> 00:28:31,399
in the case of a motion picture
called, "Garden of Eden,"
588
00:28:31,433 --> 00:28:33,919
that nudity per se
was not obscene.
589
00:28:33,953 --> 00:28:35,852
And this, of course,
opens the floodgates
590
00:28:35,886 --> 00:28:38,647
for filmmakers to
portray on screen nudity,
591
00:28:38,682 --> 00:28:40,270
in a way they couldn't before.
592
00:28:40,304 --> 00:28:42,410
- The production code was
starting to fall apart.
593
00:28:42,444 --> 00:28:45,206
You had people like Otto
Preminger making movies
594
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,382
that were being show without
the seal of approval.
595
00:28:49,417 --> 00:28:52,454
So the mores of the
world was changing.
596
00:28:52,489 --> 00:28:53,662
- In nudie movies, originally,
597
00:28:53,697 --> 00:28:55,043
it was like girls
playing volleyball.
598
00:28:55,078 --> 00:28:57,459
And so they would chat,
and they would swim.
599
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:01,567
They were nudist camp
movies, basically.
600
00:29:01,601 --> 00:29:02,637
Nothing ever happened in them,
601
00:29:02,671 --> 00:29:04,156
they weren't very interesting.
602
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:06,123
In, "A Shot in the Dark,"
there's a very funny scene
603
00:29:06,158 --> 00:29:08,298
in a nudist colony
with Peter Sellers,
604
00:29:08,332 --> 00:29:11,163
which is a pretty
accurate representation
605
00:29:11,197 --> 00:29:13,130
of what nudist colonies
were like at the time.
606
00:29:13,165 --> 00:29:15,098
- And so if it was couched in
607
00:29:15,132 --> 00:29:20,137
the terms of health,
fitness, exercise.
608
00:29:21,552 --> 00:29:23,416
- There used to be theaters
that were called art theaters.
609
00:29:23,451 --> 00:29:27,144
And they were in all towns,
all over the place,
mostly in cities.
610
00:29:27,179 --> 00:29:31,114
- So the nudie cuties, they
wanted to stay under the radar.
611
00:29:31,148 --> 00:29:32,805
Because that's how
they made their money.
612
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,982
- These films would also to
play to men at like a bachelor
party.
613
00:29:37,016 --> 00:29:39,985
Somebody had set up a
16 millimeter projector,
614
00:29:40,019 --> 00:29:42,539
and show what were called
either blue movies,
615
00:29:42,573 --> 00:29:46,163
in the '20s or '30s,
or later stag films
616
00:29:46,198 --> 00:29:48,683
or nudies in the '50s and '60s.
617
00:29:48,717 --> 00:29:52,445
- Well, there was a subset
of nudie pictures, away from
618
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,103
the nudist camp movies,
which were basically boring,
619
00:29:55,138 --> 00:29:59,383
in which they would add a
note of menace by having
620
00:30:00,833 --> 00:30:03,974
somebody scary show up and
chase the girls around.
621
00:30:04,009 --> 00:30:06,183
- These type of movies,
with the damsel in distress,
622
00:30:06,218 --> 00:30:10,118
and damsel in undress were
referred to as monster nudies.
623
00:30:10,153 --> 00:30:11,671
- [Joe] There was
a movie called,
624
00:30:11,706 --> 00:30:12,845
"The Monster of Camp Sunshine,"
625
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,019
where it was supposed
to be a gorilla,
626
00:30:14,053 --> 00:30:15,537
but it was played
by a chimpanzee.
627
00:30:15,572 --> 00:30:19,645
And then Ed Wood, in his waning
years, was unfortunately
reduced to doing
628
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:22,061
some of these pictures,
"Orgy of the Dead," was one.
629
00:30:22,096 --> 00:30:25,824
- It's an excuse for a
bunch of exotic dancers
630
00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:29,379
to come out one by one
and do a really lame,
631
00:30:30,898 --> 00:30:33,176
completely not sexy, dance.
632
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:34,591
- And then there's--
633
00:30:34,625 --> 00:30:35,419
- Kiss me quick.
634
00:30:35,454 --> 00:30:36,731
- Kiss me, quick.
635
00:30:36,765 --> 00:30:38,906
- Kiss me quick.
636
00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:41,391
- "Kiss me Quick," which
was a sort of a Russ Meyer
637
00:30:41,425 --> 00:30:44,428
type movie that had the
guys in monster masks
638
00:30:44,463 --> 00:30:46,258
playing Frankenstein,
and Dracula,
639
00:30:46,292 --> 00:30:49,675
or their non-Universal
copyrightable versions.
640
00:30:49,709 --> 00:30:51,194
And they would chase
the girls around.
641
00:30:51,228 --> 00:30:53,403
There's no erotic content
whatsoever in these movies.
642
00:30:53,437 --> 00:30:54,887
They're limp noodle movies.
643
00:30:54,922 --> 00:30:57,545
They're just there to
have girls running around,
644
00:30:57,579 --> 00:31:00,444
and get as much action
in the frame as possible.
645
00:31:00,479 --> 00:31:02,861
- And then there was some
movies called nudie cuties.
646
00:31:02,895 --> 00:31:06,002
If you made it more of a
comedy, you could somehow
647
00:31:06,036 --> 00:31:10,075
insert some female nudity
in it, and get away with it.
648
00:31:10,109 --> 00:31:11,386
They didn't want to
have things that might
649
00:31:11,421 --> 00:31:13,906
inflame the public,
and make young men's
650
00:31:13,941 --> 00:31:16,633
minds turn to dangerous things.
651
00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:19,808
Doris Wishman was one of
the rare female directors
652
00:31:19,843 --> 00:31:21,880
who would be doing
movies that had a lot of
653
00:31:21,914 --> 00:31:24,537
what we could T and A in them.
654
00:31:24,572 --> 00:31:26,091
And she did a series
of movies with
655
00:31:26,125 --> 00:31:28,576
a very famous stripper
named Chesty Morgan,
656
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:31,441
who had 73 inch natural breasts.
657
00:31:31,475 --> 00:31:33,098
And so she made a movie
658
00:31:33,132 --> 00:31:35,928
with Chesty Morgan
called, "Agent 73."
659
00:31:35,963 --> 00:31:37,378
And then she did another movie
660
00:31:37,412 --> 00:31:39,449
with Chesty Morgan
called, "Deadly Weapons."
661
00:31:39,483 --> 00:31:41,934
They were Chesty Morgan's
natural endowments.
662
00:31:41,969 --> 00:31:43,902
- Doris Wishman did a
couple of monster nudies.
663
00:31:43,936 --> 00:31:47,560
But Herschell Gordon Lewis
had a different take.
664
00:31:47,595 --> 00:31:50,632
When he did, "Blood
Feast," it was a gore film.
665
00:31:50,667 --> 00:31:53,221
It had nudity, and it had
a Playboy Playmate in it.
666
00:31:53,256 --> 00:31:56,431
But the appeal of this movie
was that you were seeing gore
667
00:31:56,466 --> 00:31:58,640
in a way that you had
never seen before.
668
00:31:58,675 --> 00:32:00,125
Pull out the girls
tongue, and cut it off.
669
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:03,128
These were the progenitors
of today's gore movies.
670
00:32:03,162 --> 00:32:05,302
They were incredibly crude.
671
00:32:05,337 --> 00:32:08,167
And they were one of the
reasons for the creation of
672
00:32:08,202 --> 00:32:09,617
the rating system because
they played drive ins.
673
00:32:09,651 --> 00:32:11,481
And people would be
driving down the street,
674
00:32:11,515 --> 00:32:13,655
and look up at the screen
with their kids in the car.
675
00:32:13,690 --> 00:32:15,485
And there was this woman
being disemboweled.
676
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,314
So they were sort of like,
677
00:32:17,349 --> 00:32:18,833
maybe we ought to do
something about this.
678
00:32:18,867 --> 00:32:21,767
- Before, "The Godfather," was
even a thought in his head,
679
00:32:21,801 --> 00:32:25,115
Francis Ford Coppola started
making a couple nudie cuties.
680
00:32:25,150 --> 00:32:27,946
One is the called, "The
Bellboy and the Playgirls."
681
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:32,260
- Russ Meyer had
actually gotten his start
682
00:32:32,295 --> 00:32:35,850
making these underground
movies, and one of them that was
683
00:32:35,884 --> 00:32:38,128
one of the first American
movies that could be shown
684
00:32:38,163 --> 00:32:40,959
with nudity was called,
"The Immoral Mr. Teas."
685
00:32:40,993 --> 00:32:43,823
- Russ came along right
at the right time.
686
00:32:43,858 --> 00:32:45,549
Because you had
these nudist films,
687
00:32:45,584 --> 00:32:46,999
but they were really a dead end.
688
00:32:47,034 --> 00:32:50,175
And he came up with
the preposterous idea
689
00:32:50,209 --> 00:32:53,523
that Teas would be able to
see through women's clothes.
690
00:32:53,557 --> 00:32:54,834
- And he goes to the dentist,
691
00:32:54,869 --> 00:32:56,560
and he gets a shot of Novocaine.
692
00:32:56,595 --> 00:32:59,011
And next thing he
knows, they're naked.
693
00:32:59,046 --> 00:33:02,877
- We did it in four
days, cost $24,000.
694
00:33:02,911 --> 00:33:04,327
- [Interviewer] Four days.
695
00:33:04,361 --> 00:33:05,569
And it opened up the
floodgates of permissiveness
696
00:33:05,604 --> 00:33:07,744
as we know it in these
United States today.
697
00:33:07,778 --> 00:33:08,641
It was a quote
from Time Magazine.
698
00:33:08,676 --> 00:33:09,746
I was glad to do it.
699
00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:11,679
- It was like a money machine.
700
00:33:11,713 --> 00:33:14,544
And now you had all these
people getting in on the act,
701
00:33:14,578 --> 00:33:16,718
making what were
called nudie cuties.
702
00:33:16,753 --> 00:33:19,894
But Russ came first, and
Russ scored the biggest.
703
00:33:19,928 --> 00:33:24,312
- But it was so
outrageous for that time,
704
00:33:24,347 --> 00:33:26,728
to see that much nudity,
and to deal with a man
705
00:33:26,763 --> 00:33:29,766
who was a voyeur, who
was leching at women.
706
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,389
Heretofore they didn't have
anything of that nature.
707
00:33:32,424 --> 00:33:34,046
- Yes the code was
still in affect,
708
00:33:34,081 --> 00:33:36,773
but it didn't bother him
because he was distributing
709
00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:40,018
his movies in a way that it
didn't require the system.
710
00:33:40,052 --> 00:33:42,779
"The Immoral Mr.
Teas," was like his
711
00:33:42,813 --> 00:33:45,368
peeing on Will Hays' grave.
712
00:33:45,402 --> 00:33:47,404
- "Peeping Tom," was
a British art film.
713
00:33:47,439 --> 00:33:49,613
Very disturbing
film, even today,
714
00:33:49,648 --> 00:33:52,927
which has nudity in the
context of a kind of
715
00:33:52,961 --> 00:33:55,757
voyeuristic murderer
who uses the camera
716
00:33:55,792 --> 00:33:58,450
kind of as his
surrogate murder weapon.
717
00:33:58,484 --> 00:34:01,763
It opened the the way for
foreign films with nudity
718
00:34:01,798 --> 00:34:04,076
to be distributed in
the American market.
719
00:34:04,111 --> 00:34:06,630
The landmark film here is the
720
00:34:06,665 --> 00:34:09,806
Brigitte Bardot vehicle,
"And God Created Woman."
721
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,566
And it's a huge hit.
722
00:34:11,601 --> 00:34:13,568
- The line was
CinemaScope was for
723
00:34:13,603 --> 00:34:17,779
photographing snakes and
funerals, but Vadim uses her
724
00:34:17,814 --> 00:34:20,713
stretched out across
the screen sunbathing.
725
00:34:20,748 --> 00:34:25,097
It's as much a sort of
triumph of the medium
726
00:34:25,132 --> 00:34:28,411
as this triumph of this
very sexual moment.
727
00:34:28,445 --> 00:34:31,207
- When I waited in line
to see Brigitte Bardot
728
00:34:31,241 --> 00:34:35,659
in, "God Created Woman,"
I go [gasping] oh wow.
729
00:34:35,694 --> 00:34:38,283
Oh wow, I love it.
730
00:34:38,317 --> 00:34:40,630
- Once they saw the
box office returns
731
00:34:40,664 --> 00:34:43,598
for something like that, they
realize nudity is something
732
00:34:43,633 --> 00:34:46,153
that Hollywood can
traffic in for profit.
733
00:34:46,187 --> 00:34:49,639
- And I think that's what made
the beginning of the Indies.
734
00:34:49,673 --> 00:34:53,781
And that's when the studio
system went belly up.
735
00:34:53,815 --> 00:34:55,472
They couldn't compete with that.
736
00:34:55,507 --> 00:34:57,992
[calm music]
737
00:34:59,166 --> 00:35:00,926
- The landmark film
to me that shows
738
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,101
the production code
is walking wounded,
739
00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:07,277
is Alfred Hitchcock's film,
"Psycho," which has everything
740
00:35:07,312 --> 00:35:09,659
the Breen office would
not have approved.
741
00:35:09,693 --> 00:35:11,143
It has sex, it has violence,
742
00:35:11,178 --> 00:35:13,870
it has the relationship
between sex and violence.
743
00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:15,458
- And that led to one
of the most famous
744
00:35:15,492 --> 00:35:19,186
and harrowing scenes in
motion picture history.
745
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:21,636
Everyone, I think,
remembers that Janet Leigh
746
00:35:21,671 --> 00:35:24,708
gets stabbed in the
shower by Anthony Perkins.
747
00:35:24,743 --> 00:35:28,298
She would not do a nude scene,
she had a no nudity clause.
748
00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:29,334
So they had to
get a body double.
749
00:35:29,368 --> 00:35:31,336
And so they hired Marli Renfro,
750
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:34,615
who was an actress
and a nude model.
751
00:35:34,649 --> 00:35:37,169
And because it was
not Janet Leigh,
752
00:35:37,204 --> 00:35:39,137
Hitchcock had to
shoot it in such a way
753
00:35:39,171 --> 00:35:42,036
that you couldn't tell who
was actually in the shower.
754
00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:44,487
Then you have the swinging
'60s, as they were called.
755
00:35:44,521 --> 00:35:46,558
You had the new
handsome president,
756
00:35:46,592 --> 00:35:49,526
John F Kennedy after
Dwight D. Eisenhower
757
00:35:49,561 --> 00:35:51,010
in a rather conservative period.
758
00:35:51,045 --> 00:35:53,220
And things opened
up quite a bit.
759
00:35:53,254 --> 00:35:57,051
Marilyn Monroe was the first
actress to prove that nudity
760
00:35:57,085 --> 00:36:00,054
does not destroy a career,
it can even help a career.
761
00:36:00,088 --> 00:36:02,298
Marilyn Monroe was
hired to do a film
762
00:36:02,332 --> 00:36:04,023
called, "Something's
Gotta Give."
763
00:36:04,058 --> 00:36:05,749
And it was kind of
her comeback film.
764
00:36:05,784 --> 00:36:08,062
So she said I need
to make a splash,
765
00:36:08,096 --> 00:36:09,546
literally in a swimming pool.
766
00:36:09,581 --> 00:36:11,514
And then she went in her
dressing room and came out
767
00:36:11,548 --> 00:36:13,688
with a blue bathrobe,
and nothing underneath.
768
00:36:13,723 --> 00:36:16,519
And she said nobody looks
as good in the nude as I do.
769
00:36:16,553 --> 00:36:20,868
The only nudity that survived
was a very quick glimpse.
770
00:36:20,902 --> 00:36:22,076
She comes to the
edge of the pool,
771
00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:23,664
and she sits it on
the edge of the pool.
772
00:36:23,698 --> 00:36:26,874
And the way she seated you
cannot even see her rear end.
773
00:36:26,908 --> 00:36:30,947
And as she gets up,
you can see one breast
774
00:36:30,981 --> 00:36:34,744
from the side and
her entire rear end.
775
00:36:34,778 --> 00:36:37,091
Marilyn had been tardy so much,
776
00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:39,197
that they were not
that far into the film.
777
00:36:39,231 --> 00:36:40,508
And on June eighth,
one week after
778
00:36:40,543 --> 00:36:42,924
her 36th birthday, she
was fired, permanently.
779
00:36:42,959 --> 00:36:44,547
She was the biggest
star in the world.
780
00:36:44,581 --> 00:36:46,238
And if she would
do a nude scene,
781
00:36:46,273 --> 00:36:47,929
who wouldn't do a nude scene?
782
00:36:47,964 --> 00:36:50,518
Probably the foremost
Marilyn Monroe imitator,
783
00:36:50,553 --> 00:36:52,520
at the time, was
Jayne Mansfield.
784
00:36:52,555 --> 00:36:54,591
So she made a movie in 1963.
785
00:36:54,626 --> 00:36:56,904
It was called,
"Promises Promises."
786
00:36:56,938 --> 00:36:59,700
- You gotta remember,
there was Marilyn Monroe.
787
00:36:59,734 --> 00:37:01,909
And then Jayne Mansfield was
788
00:37:01,943 --> 00:37:04,601
right behind her as
far as popularity.
789
00:37:04,636 --> 00:37:07,155
- [Joe] She takes a bubble bath.
790
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:09,399
The bubbles dissipated
very quickly,
791
00:37:09,434 --> 00:37:11,953
and all of Jayne was on display.
792
00:37:11,988 --> 00:37:14,646
- She liked to tease.
793
00:37:15,785 --> 00:37:16,613
- [Tommy] Sandy?
794
00:37:17,649 --> 00:37:20,410
- Do you want something, honey?
795
00:37:20,445 --> 00:37:22,136
- No it's all right.
796
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:27,175
- And she knew this, and
this is her stock and trade.
797
00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:29,385
- [Joe] Now, the
floodgates had been opened.
798
00:37:29,419 --> 00:37:32,940
- [Jim] She was the first
celebrity, post Hays commission,
799
00:37:32,974 --> 00:37:35,908
to do a nude scene here
in the United States.
800
00:37:35,943 --> 00:37:37,082
- Marilyn Monroe had done it,
801
00:37:37,116 --> 00:37:38,808
and Jayne Mansfield had done it.
802
00:37:38,842 --> 00:37:40,810
Then Mamie Van Doren
did a movie called,
803
00:37:40,844 --> 00:37:42,984
"Three Nuts in
Search of a Bolt."
804
00:37:43,019 --> 00:37:46,781
♪ I used to be a
stripper down on Main ♪
805
00:37:46,816 --> 00:37:49,922
♪ Now I'm the main
attraction on the strip ♪
806
00:37:49,957 --> 00:37:51,165
- I tried to break
the doors down.
807
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:52,753
Jayne Mansfield was either one.
808
00:37:52,787 --> 00:37:55,928
And Marilyn was
actually the first one.
809
00:37:55,963 --> 00:37:58,862
Hef asked me to do
Playboy magazine
810
00:37:58,897 --> 00:38:01,313
many times, and I
turned him down.
811
00:38:01,348 --> 00:38:03,039
And I did it this time because
812
00:38:03,073 --> 00:38:05,144
I had a movie
connection with him.
813
00:38:05,179 --> 00:38:07,112
It was, "Three Nuts
in Search of a Bolt."
814
00:38:07,146 --> 00:38:09,632
I did that movie
strictly for money.
815
00:38:09,666 --> 00:38:11,634
There's a beer bath.
816
00:38:11,668 --> 00:38:15,362
So I figured, why
not take a beer bath?
817
00:38:15,396 --> 00:38:17,847
It's really makes me feel alive.
818
00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:20,194
Beer bath, I don't
want to do a beer bath.
819
00:38:20,228 --> 00:38:23,818
Come on he said yeah, it'll
make more money at the theaters.
820
00:38:23,853 --> 00:38:26,373
And since I own the
movie, some of it.
821
00:38:26,407 --> 00:38:27,650
I said, okay I'll do it.
822
00:38:27,684 --> 00:38:31,999
That movie made a lot of
money, a lot of money.
823
00:38:32,033 --> 00:38:36,210
And so did the layout
in the Playboy magazine.
824
00:38:36,244 --> 00:38:39,178
That was the beginning of me
opening the door for nudity.
825
00:38:39,213 --> 00:38:40,352
- Of course there
are films where
826
00:38:40,387 --> 00:38:41,871
nudity is important
to the story.
827
00:38:41,905 --> 00:38:44,356
"The Pawnbroker", has
nothing to do with sex,
828
00:38:44,391 --> 00:38:47,221
but it does use nudity
in a very important way.
829
00:38:47,255 --> 00:38:49,568
The film itself is
about a guy who suffered
830
00:38:49,603 --> 00:38:52,502
trauma during World War II.
831
00:38:52,537 --> 00:38:54,366
And part of the
trauma was seeing
832
00:38:54,401 --> 00:38:56,472
these naked people
being murdered.
833
00:38:56,506 --> 00:38:59,889
And so the idea that they
felt you had to cut that out
834
00:38:59,923 --> 00:39:02,098
because of it's
prurient interest,
835
00:39:02,132 --> 00:39:04,169
was pretty ludicrous
to most people.
836
00:39:04,203 --> 00:39:07,068
"The Pawnbroker," was
one of the last films,
837
00:39:07,103 --> 00:39:10,037
actually, that had a major
production code battle.
838
00:39:10,071 --> 00:39:11,279
It made the production code look
839
00:39:11,314 --> 00:39:13,385
really old fashioned
at that point.
840
00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:14,386
The production code is gonna be
841
00:39:14,421 --> 00:39:16,112
abandoned within a couple years.
842
00:39:16,146 --> 00:39:18,908
- We started looking to the
Europeans, which had been,
843
00:39:18,942 --> 00:39:22,049
of course, using nudity
long before we were.
844
00:39:22,083 --> 00:39:24,638
[upbeat music]
845
00:39:30,298 --> 00:39:33,509
Antonioni's "Blow-Up," now has
two things to recommend it.
846
00:39:33,543 --> 00:39:35,925
One, it's his most
accessible movie.
847
00:39:35,959 --> 00:39:38,099
- Couldn't you give us
just a couple of minutes?
848
00:39:38,134 --> 00:39:39,584
- A couple of minutes?
849
00:39:39,618 --> 00:39:40,757
I haven't even got
a couple of minutes
850
00:39:40,792 --> 00:39:42,276
to have my appendix out.
851
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:43,898
- And two, it's the first film
852
00:39:43,933 --> 00:39:47,108
to show pubic hair
in modern cinema.
853
00:39:47,143 --> 00:39:50,457
- [Barry] David Hemmings
plays a photographer who
854
00:39:50,491 --> 00:39:53,943
takes a picture, and he winds
up seeing two illicit lovers,
855
00:39:53,977 --> 00:39:55,772
one played by Vanessa Redgrave.
856
00:39:55,807 --> 00:39:57,222
- Give me those pictures.
857
00:39:57,256 --> 00:39:58,292
You can't photograph
people like that.
858
00:39:58,326 --> 00:39:59,776
- Who is topless in the film.
859
00:39:59,811 --> 00:40:02,296
Then he meets two young, what
they used to call groupies,
860
00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:03,953
and he takes them home with him.
861
00:40:05,092 --> 00:40:06,334
There is a flash of Jane
Birkin's pubic hair.
862
00:40:06,369 --> 00:40:07,957
Which is the first
time that's ever
863
00:40:07,991 --> 00:40:10,925
been shown on an
American movie screen.
864
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,790
And it stayed in,
because it was quick.
865
00:40:13,825 --> 00:40:17,760
- "I Am Curious, Yellow" was a
foreign film, it was Swedish.
866
00:40:17,794 --> 00:40:20,314
And it had very explicit nudity.
867
00:40:20,348 --> 00:40:23,800
And there were movies with
explicit nudity at the time.
868
00:40:23,835 --> 00:40:26,769
But this was playing at your
neighborhood movie theater.
869
00:40:26,803 --> 00:40:28,840
So it became a really big deal.
870
00:40:28,874 --> 00:40:32,637
In fact I remember seeing
huge lines of people
871
00:40:32,671 --> 00:40:34,639
waiting to go into the theater.
872
00:40:34,673 --> 00:40:37,365
But then there was also a
group of protestors there
873
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,922
with signs, ban the film,
and pornography and stuff.
874
00:40:41,956 --> 00:40:45,028
The movie itself could
be difficult to watch.
875
00:40:45,063 --> 00:40:46,478
And it's very much of its time.
876
00:40:46,513 --> 00:40:49,136
It's kind of like an
experimental film.
877
00:40:49,170 --> 00:40:51,000
- The code started
crumbling in the '60s,
878
00:40:51,034 --> 00:40:52,622
'cause the '60s were the '60s.
879
00:40:52,657 --> 00:40:55,176
I mean there was a lot of
upheaval in our society.
880
00:40:55,211 --> 00:40:57,316
We had a president shot,
and a lot of things
881
00:40:57,351 --> 00:41:00,112
were going on in real
life that didn't match
882
00:41:00,147 --> 00:41:03,633
the strident mores of the code.
883
00:41:03,668 --> 00:41:05,808
And people were
rebelling against it.
884
00:41:05,842 --> 00:41:07,637
- And as in physics,
every action
885
00:41:07,672 --> 00:41:09,397
has an equal and
opposite reaction.
886
00:41:10,847 --> 00:41:13,263
[calm music]
887
00:41:15,403 --> 00:41:16,853
They said we need to
have a rating system
888
00:41:16,888 --> 00:41:20,132
in order to determine
who can see these films.
889
00:41:20,167 --> 00:41:21,409
- We are not censors at all.
890
00:41:21,444 --> 00:41:23,688
What we do, and we don't
make value judgments.
891
00:41:23,722 --> 00:41:25,897
There's not one of our
ratings that means a film
892
00:41:25,931 --> 00:41:29,521
is good or bad, it just
indicates the level of content.
893
00:41:29,556 --> 00:41:32,041
And then we give
descriptors along with
894
00:41:32,075 --> 00:41:34,043
the level to show
all those elements
895
00:41:34,077 --> 00:41:36,321
that are present at
that level in the film.
896
00:41:36,355 --> 00:41:40,359
- There was that general
feeling of change
897
00:41:41,464 --> 00:41:44,709
from the old classic
Hollywood which
898
00:41:44,743 --> 00:41:49,058
pretty much died
around 1962 or '63.
899
00:41:49,092 --> 00:41:51,992
♪ Greeting greeting greetings
900
00:41:52,026 --> 00:41:53,821
- "Greetings," came out in 1968,
901
00:41:53,856 --> 00:41:56,065
and it was the first
film to be rated X.
902
00:41:56,099 --> 00:41:58,205
It's a counterculture comedy.
903
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,448
Robert De Niro starts
to get involved
904
00:42:00,483 --> 00:42:02,865
in being a peeping Tom.
905
00:42:02,899 --> 00:42:03,831
- You've heard of pop art.
906
00:42:03,866 --> 00:42:05,557
- Oh yes, sure.
907
00:42:05,592 --> 00:42:06,558
- Well, this is called peep art.
908
00:42:06,593 --> 00:42:08,664
- And eventually he figured out
909
00:42:08,698 --> 00:42:11,252
how to make movies
using this obsession.
910
00:42:11,287 --> 00:42:13,772
The X rating definitely
helped, they wanted the X.
911
00:42:13,807 --> 00:42:17,396
The sex stuff is
mostly relegated to
912
00:42:17,431 --> 00:42:19,916
Robert De Niro's scenes
where he's spying on women.
913
00:42:19,951 --> 00:42:23,575
But there's also a scene
that involves Gerrit Graham,
914
00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:25,957
who plays the character
that's obsessed
915
00:42:25,991 --> 00:42:28,131
with the Kennedy assassination,
916
00:42:28,166 --> 00:42:31,410
where there is a naked
woman on his bed.
917
00:42:31,445 --> 00:42:34,310
And he starts tracing
the bullet trajectory
918
00:42:34,344 --> 00:42:36,036
of the gun that killed Kennedy.
919
00:42:36,070 --> 00:42:40,765
- I did my first
nude scene in 1968
920
00:42:40,799 --> 00:42:43,940
in my first movie called,
"If," with this beautiful girl.
921
00:42:43,975 --> 00:42:47,910
And I think it was the
first time in a studio movie
922
00:42:47,944 --> 00:42:51,120
that a man and a woman
had been naked together.
923
00:42:52,466 --> 00:42:55,331
So I went up to the director
and I said when we're
924
00:42:55,365 --> 00:42:58,023
fighting on the floor,
wouldn't it be great if
925
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:02,269
just a cut and we're
naked like animals?
926
00:43:02,303 --> 00:43:06,480
And he looked and he
went, you ask her.
927
00:43:06,514 --> 00:43:08,516
So we come to the
end of the day,
928
00:43:09,828 --> 00:43:13,901
she comes out in a
bathrobe, and just drops it.
929
00:43:13,936 --> 00:43:18,423
And I said [grunting]
and they go,
930
00:43:18,457 --> 00:43:21,150
okay get your trousers off.
931
00:43:21,184 --> 00:43:23,842
And I went, it's a
bit cold in here.
932
00:43:23,877 --> 00:43:25,741
And they, get your trousers off.
933
00:43:25,775 --> 00:43:28,606
Well, the first
assistant director,
934
00:43:29,814 --> 00:43:32,333
when we did the shot,
walked off the movie.
935
00:43:32,368 --> 00:43:34,404
He was so outraged.
936
00:43:36,165 --> 00:43:37,649
Subversive stuff.
937
00:43:37,684 --> 00:43:40,341
This title of being
naked the most of any
938
00:43:40,376 --> 00:43:43,931
young actor of that
period, was thrust upon me.
939
00:43:43,966 --> 00:43:45,795
I did not go seeking it.
940
00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:46,831
- Any venereal disease?
941
00:43:46,865 --> 00:43:48,142
- No sir!
- Rats?
942
00:43:48,177 --> 00:43:49,005
- No sir!
- Lice?
943
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:49,937
- No sir!
944
00:43:49,972 --> 00:43:50,662
- Go over there for the bath!
945
00:43:50,697 --> 00:43:51,629
- Yes sir!
946
00:43:51,663 --> 00:43:52,837
- It was just that I came along
947
00:43:52,871 --> 00:43:56,185
at the very moment that
the floodgates opened,
948
00:43:56,219 --> 00:44:00,983
and they decided to
allow nudity in movies.
949
00:44:01,017 --> 00:44:05,539
And about bloody time,
it was ridiculous.
950
00:44:05,573 --> 00:44:08,887
I mean it was sort of the
line that was never crossed.
951
00:44:08,922 --> 00:44:13,547
When that was breached,
holy God it was breached.
952
00:44:13,581 --> 00:44:15,687
We all came rushing through.
953
00:44:15,722 --> 00:44:17,862
- If you haven't seen
a Russ Meyer film,
954
00:44:17,896 --> 00:44:20,209
I would say you're
in for a treat.
955
00:44:20,243 --> 00:44:22,832
His films were his own genre.
956
00:44:22,867 --> 00:44:27,734
- He's such a funny guy,
he's just like so dry.
957
00:44:28,907 --> 00:44:31,876
He's like well, real
gruff, like well
958
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:34,499
she's a lot smaller
than most of my girls,
959
00:44:34,533 --> 00:44:38,883
but maybe the women will
be able to relate better.
960
00:44:38,917 --> 00:44:42,438
- Vixen is played
by Erika Gavin.
961
00:44:42,472 --> 00:44:46,166
- Nudity was
definitely essential in
962
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,755
portraying who
this character is.
963
00:44:48,789 --> 00:44:52,172
- And she's a nymphomaniac,
and all these different people
964
00:44:52,206 --> 00:44:54,726
kind of come in,
and they meet her.
965
00:44:54,761 --> 00:44:57,280
And she wants to have sex
with every one of them.
966
00:44:57,315 --> 00:44:59,386
It includes her brother.
967
00:44:59,420 --> 00:45:02,009
- Remember how you used
to wash my back, Judd?
968
00:45:02,044 --> 00:45:04,011
And how we used to cuddle
in the tub together?
969
00:45:04,046 --> 00:45:05,564
- We quit doing that
when you turned 12.
970
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:06,911
You said yourself,
it wasn't right.
971
00:45:06,945 --> 00:45:08,533
- I don't care what
I said then, Judd.
972
00:45:08,567 --> 00:45:09,741
This is now.
973
00:45:09,776 --> 00:45:12,088
- She's just filled with lust.
974
00:45:12,123 --> 00:45:16,541
- Like during the scene
with myself and Vincene,
975
00:45:16,575 --> 00:45:19,406
Russ was down on the floor,
give it to her, yeah,
976
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,098
pounding the floor like
this, like just pounding.
977
00:45:22,133 --> 00:45:25,067
He was laying on
the floor pounding.
978
00:45:25,101 --> 00:45:28,104
And then he goes cut, lunch.
979
00:45:28,139 --> 00:45:29,761
I gotta change my shorts.
980
00:45:29,796 --> 00:45:32,246
[folk music]
981
00:45:34,801 --> 00:45:36,768
- The late '60s, early '70s was
982
00:45:36,803 --> 00:45:38,770
when everything really changed.
983
00:45:38,805 --> 00:45:41,773
After Woodstock, when
everybody was rained on,
984
00:45:41,808 --> 00:45:44,500
and was pretty
much naked anyway.
985
00:45:44,534 --> 00:45:46,778
The floodgates began to open.
986
00:45:46,813 --> 00:45:48,642
- In fact, "The Graduate,"
and, "Easy Rider,"
987
00:45:48,676 --> 00:45:51,403
kind of opened the
door, and all the movies
988
00:45:51,438 --> 00:45:55,131
that came before looked so
old fashioned in comparison.
989
00:45:55,166 --> 00:46:00,171
- Of course American actresses
did not like to do nudity.
990
00:46:01,655 --> 00:46:03,415
They thought that if they
did, their careers would
991
00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:05,521
kind of be tainted in some way.
992
00:46:05,555 --> 00:46:07,799
- It wasn't whether or not
you're gonna do the nudity.
993
00:46:07,834 --> 00:46:10,181
It was when you were
gonna finally do it.
994
00:46:10,215 --> 00:46:12,597
- European actresses
don't give a damn.
995
00:46:12,631 --> 00:46:15,151
I mean are you kidding, no way.
996
00:46:15,186 --> 00:46:20,191
Its just everything's
off if it's part of the,
997
00:46:22,124 --> 00:46:24,782
the integral part of the script.
998
00:46:24,816 --> 00:46:28,613
- "Women in Love," and
there's a nude wrestling scene
999
00:46:28,647 --> 00:46:32,479
between Alan Bates
and Oliver Reed.
1000
00:46:32,513 --> 00:46:36,863
And it was weird, and
shocking, and surprising.
1001
00:46:38,002 --> 00:46:40,487
That's one of the few
male nudity things
1002
00:46:40,521 --> 00:46:42,351
that I remember
seeing in movies.
1003
00:46:42,385 --> 00:46:44,698
- When it was released
in the United States,
1004
00:46:44,732 --> 00:46:47,563
the American censors
cut this scene to where
1005
00:46:47,597 --> 00:46:50,877
you see Olie and Alan start
to get into each other,
1006
00:46:50,911 --> 00:46:53,776
and then it cuts to them
laying on the floor panting.
1007
00:46:57,884 --> 00:46:58,746
- Was it
1008
00:47:00,162 --> 00:47:01,404
too much for you?
1009
00:47:01,439 --> 00:47:03,648
- So what we get is
probably the best known
1010
00:47:03,682 --> 00:47:06,168
sodomy scene in a
major motion picture,
1011
00:47:06,202 --> 00:47:09,896
when it wasn't a sodomy scene
until they cut it that way.
1012
00:47:09,930 --> 00:47:13,589
♪ Everybody's talking at me
1013
00:47:13,623 --> 00:47:16,903
- The first X rated movie
that became mainstream,
1014
00:47:16,937 --> 00:47:19,043
and that actually
won the Academy Award
1015
00:47:19,077 --> 00:47:20,630
was, "Midnight Cowboy."
1016
00:47:22,632 --> 00:47:24,151
It does have nudity in it.
1017
00:47:24,186 --> 00:47:27,189
But I think it's more rated X
because of the subject matter.
1018
00:47:27,223 --> 00:47:29,225
- So Sylvia Miles in,
"Midnight Cowboy,"
1019
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:33,885
is a society lady, and
Jon Voight is a hustler.
1020
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,818
And they hook up and have sex.
1021
00:47:42,445 --> 00:47:46,380
And the next day he asks her
for money, and she freaks out.
1022
00:47:46,415 --> 00:47:49,901
- You know Cass that's the funny
thing you mentioning money.
1023
00:47:49,936 --> 00:47:52,110
Because I was just about
to ask you for some.
1024
00:47:53,732 --> 00:47:55,079
- You were gonna
ask me for money?
1025
00:47:55,113 --> 00:47:56,735
- Hell, why you think I come all
1026
00:47:56,770 --> 00:47:58,185
the way up here from Texas for?
1027
00:47:58,220 --> 00:48:00,636
- Who the hell do you
think you're dealing with?
1028
00:48:00,670 --> 00:48:03,432
Some old slut on 42nd Street?
1029
00:48:03,466 --> 00:48:07,091
And I think, sometimes
I watch occasionally.
1030
00:48:07,125 --> 00:48:10,197
It'll come on and
I'll see that scene.
1031
00:48:10,232 --> 00:48:12,061
It's hard watching it you know.
1032
00:48:12,096 --> 00:48:16,548
I'm just so shocked
at how real I was.
1033
00:48:16,583 --> 00:48:18,757
In case you didn't
happen to notice it,
1034
00:48:19,655 --> 00:48:21,760
you big Texas Longhorn bull,
1035
00:48:21,795 --> 00:48:23,624
I'm one hell of
a gorgeous chick.
1036
00:48:23,659 --> 00:48:28,664
There was no arrangement
made about nudity.
1037
00:48:29,837 --> 00:48:32,737
No contract to deal
with things like that.
1038
00:48:32,771 --> 00:48:35,982
- And so you had brief
nudity from Sylvia Miles,
1039
00:48:36,016 --> 00:48:37,776
and from Brenda
Vaccaro, who were
1040
00:48:37,811 --> 00:48:41,780
two of his bolder conquests.
1041
00:48:41,815 --> 00:48:45,957
- "Midnight Cowboy," won
an Oscar and was rated X.
1042
00:48:45,992 --> 00:48:48,926
And that was the true
application of the X rating,
1043
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,273
meant it was a more adult film.
1044
00:48:51,307 --> 00:48:53,792
- In 1969, a film came
out called, "Last Summer,"
1045
00:48:53,827 --> 00:48:55,967
that was X rated, and
it was known for being
1046
00:48:56,002 --> 00:48:58,487
a pioneering film because
of the male nudity in it.
1047
00:48:58,521 --> 00:49:01,352
- "Last Summer," is
basically four kids
1048
00:49:01,386 --> 00:49:06,391
left to their own devices in
a sort of a rich summer town.
1049
00:49:08,807 --> 00:49:10,499
- Hey come on,
let's go for a swim.
1050
00:49:11,810 --> 00:49:13,260
Bare ass?
1051
00:49:13,295 --> 00:49:14,537
- They'll see us.
1052
00:49:14,572 --> 00:49:16,988
- Not here, up the
beach, come on.
1053
00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:21,613
- She'll probably
go tell her mother.
1054
00:49:21,648 --> 00:49:24,685
- At the end of, "Last Summer,"
the rape scene is basically
1055
00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:32,555
very emotionally
fraught, because we
have been four friends.
1056
00:49:33,936 --> 00:49:38,009
And sex has been just
creeping up all the time.
1057
00:49:38,044 --> 00:49:41,357
But we've both been
pretty much in love
1058
00:49:41,392 --> 00:49:44,015
with the Barbara
Hershey character.
1059
00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:44,912
- Major truth.
1060
00:49:46,569 --> 00:49:47,674
I love you both.
1061
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,642
- Yeah, and I love you too.
1062
00:49:50,677 --> 00:49:52,506
- And I love you too.
1063
00:49:52,541 --> 00:49:57,028
- And she finally manipulates
the pressure off of her
1064
00:49:57,063 --> 00:49:59,893
on to Cathy Burns's
character who's the girl.
1065
00:49:59,927 --> 00:50:03,931
So it ends up being
a shifting of power.
1066
00:50:03,966 --> 00:50:05,864
It's like filming a fight,
1067
00:50:05,899 --> 00:50:07,590
when there's a rape
scene going on.
1068
00:50:07,625 --> 00:50:10,041
It's like how are we
gonna choreograph this?
1069
00:50:10,076 --> 00:50:12,388
I especially didn't
feel like a pioneer
1070
00:50:12,423 --> 00:50:15,219
when I'm over a close
up of a handheld camera
1071
00:50:15,253 --> 00:50:20,258
on two two by fours on a
slant, with Frank Perry yelling
1072
00:50:21,432 --> 00:50:23,261
hump harder in my ear
through a bull horn.
1073
00:50:24,538 --> 00:50:26,678
Didn't quite think of
myself as a pioneer.
1074
00:50:26,713 --> 00:50:28,059
I didn't even really think about
1075
00:50:28,094 --> 00:50:29,854
the nudity when I got the job.
1076
00:50:29,888 --> 00:50:32,236
Being young, I was willing to
1077
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:35,377
do whatever it took
to make a great film.
1078
00:50:35,411 --> 00:50:36,757
People seem to forget we lived
1079
00:50:36,792 --> 00:50:38,587
in a very different
time back then.
1080
00:50:38,621 --> 00:50:40,347
People didn't ask questions.
1081
00:50:40,382 --> 00:50:42,073
You're either gonna
do something or not.
1082
00:50:42,108 --> 00:50:43,764
There were no rules.
1083
00:50:43,799 --> 00:50:48,562
My uncle Alan, about
six months later,
1084
00:50:48,597 --> 00:50:52,049
said to me I took your Aunt
Levira to see your film.
1085
00:50:53,567 --> 00:50:56,570
I look up and there's 20 feet
of your ass up on the screen.
1086
00:50:56,605 --> 00:51:00,298
We used to change those
diapers, you know.
1087
00:51:00,333 --> 00:51:03,957
I was never sexually thought of
1088
00:51:03,991 --> 00:51:06,925
after I did, "Willard,"
for about 15 years.
1089
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,480
I kissed that rat, and
that was the end of me
1090
00:51:09,514 --> 00:51:12,655
kissing any leading ladies
for quite a number of years.
1091
00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:15,106
[calm music]
1092
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,421
- When Jack Valenti had
first created the ratings
1093
00:51:19,455 --> 00:51:22,803
in the late 1960s, he
had not copyrighted
1094
00:51:22,838 --> 00:51:24,805
or trademarked the X rating.
1095
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,292
He said, basically, you want
to self rate yourself X,
1096
00:51:28,326 --> 00:51:30,121
without paying us a rating fee,
1097
00:51:30,156 --> 00:51:32,123
you can go ahead and do that.
1098
00:51:32,158 --> 00:51:34,850
This seemed like a reasonable
solution at the time.
1099
00:51:34,884 --> 00:51:37,646
But by the early 1970s we had
films like, "Deep Throat,"
1100
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,098
coming out that proudly
self rated themselves X.
1101
00:51:41,132 --> 00:51:44,618
Not just X but triple X,
and that bragged about it.
1102
00:51:44,653 --> 00:51:47,034
- Once the the
pornographers realized that
1103
00:51:47,069 --> 00:51:50,037
there was a rating that they
could co-opt for themselves,
1104
00:51:50,072 --> 00:51:53,834
that wasn't copyrighted,
and meant adult,
1105
00:51:55,008 --> 00:51:57,148
they were after all the
adult film industry.
1106
00:51:57,183 --> 00:52:00,462
And so I think they felt
that it behooved them to
1107
00:52:00,496 --> 00:52:03,982
slap the X on their
product as well.
1108
00:52:04,017 --> 00:52:05,812
- By the early to mid
'70s there came to be
1109
00:52:05,846 --> 00:52:08,125
a confusion in a lot
of people's minds.
1110
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:09,678
What's an X rated movie?
1111
00:52:09,712 --> 00:52:12,681
Is it hardcore pornography
like, "Deep Throat,"
1112
00:52:12,715 --> 00:52:15,373
"The Devil and Miss Jones,"
"Behind the Green Door?"
1113
00:52:15,408 --> 00:52:18,065
Or is it a Hollywood
adult film like,
1114
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:21,690
"Midnight Cowboy," and,
"A Clockwork Orange?"
1115
00:52:21,724 --> 00:52:24,624
♪ Singing in the rain
just singing in the rain ♪
1116
00:52:24,658 --> 00:52:29,146
♪ Just singing in the
rain in the rain ♪
1117
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:31,217
- Now there's a few things
in, "Clockwork Orange,"
1118
00:52:31,251 --> 00:52:35,497
Just cutting this cat
suit, and that was
1119
00:52:36,912 --> 00:52:40,191
enough to sell that, you
didn't need to do anymore.
1120
00:52:40,226 --> 00:52:44,920
I mean just to say, viddy well
little brother, viddy well.
1121
00:52:44,954 --> 00:52:46,715
I mean, that's all
you have to say.
1122
00:52:46,749 --> 00:52:50,167
- Viddy well, little
brother, viddy well.
1123
00:52:51,513 --> 00:52:53,031
- And this kind of
confusion realized itself,
1124
00:52:53,066 --> 00:52:57,001
you might say, in the pages
of the local newspaper.
1125
00:52:57,035 --> 00:52:58,485
If you wanted to go to a movie,
1126
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,315
you looked up where it was
playing in a newspaper.
1127
00:53:00,349 --> 00:53:02,731
Well, for example,
the Los Angeles Times.
1128
00:53:02,765 --> 00:53:05,112
They got protests from
their readers protesting
1129
00:53:05,147 --> 00:53:06,735
why are you advertising,
"Deep Throat,"
1130
00:53:06,769 --> 00:53:08,254
and, "The Devil and Miss Jones?"
1131
00:53:08,288 --> 00:53:10,428
Our little kids are
being corrupted by this.
1132
00:53:10,463 --> 00:53:13,086
And so the Los Angeles
Times became one of the
1133
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,608
first newspapers to ban
X rated ads for movies.
1134
00:53:18,954 --> 00:53:21,094
- Another early Hollywood
film that featured
1135
00:53:21,128 --> 00:53:24,062
male full frontal nudity
was a movie called,
1136
00:53:24,097 --> 00:53:27,756
"Drive He Said," directed
by Jack Nicholson.
1137
00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:29,067
- I'm going.
1138
00:53:29,102 --> 00:53:32,347
- Hey! [screaming
in foreign language]
1139
00:53:32,381 --> 00:53:34,418
- In, "Drive He Said,"
Michael Margotta
1140
00:53:34,452 --> 00:53:38,042
does a nude streaking scene
across a college campus.
1141
00:53:38,076 --> 00:53:39,871
And that was pretty new for
1142
00:53:39,906 --> 00:53:42,564
the early 1970s,
and pretty shocking.
1143
00:53:42,598 --> 00:53:45,256
- This was probably
the first time you saw,
1144
00:53:45,291 --> 00:53:47,396
except for the Oscars,
where we had a streaker
1145
00:53:47,431 --> 00:53:49,985
in that as well during
a David Niven speech.
1146
00:53:50,019 --> 00:53:51,607
- Quite likely--
1147
00:53:51,642 --> 00:53:53,368
[audience laughing]
1148
00:53:53,402 --> 00:53:57,613
- The '70s, with its
hedonism, and also sort of
1149
00:53:57,648 --> 00:54:00,444
the crass commercialization
of that freedom,
1150
00:54:00,478 --> 00:54:03,447
brought about exploitation
films, as well as art films,
1151
00:54:03,481 --> 00:54:06,139
and then just regular
Hollywood movies where it was
1152
00:54:06,173 --> 00:54:09,729
liberating for actors and
actresses to get nude on screen.
1153
00:54:09,763 --> 00:54:11,800
- In, "Carnal Knowledge,"
you have huge mega stars
1154
00:54:11,834 --> 00:54:14,389
like Jack Nicholson, and
Ann-Margret doing nude scenes,
1155
00:54:14,423 --> 00:54:17,564
wanting to do nude
scenes specifically.
1156
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,187
And it kind of gives
tacit approval to
1157
00:54:20,222 --> 00:54:23,294
all kind of American stars
doing nude scenes in films.
1158
00:54:23,329 --> 00:54:26,124
♪ Bye bye birdie
1159
00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:31,337
- Ann-Margret was a dancer
who had dated Elvis Presley,
1160
00:54:31,371 --> 00:54:33,131
and had been in,
"Bye Bye Birdie."
1161
00:54:33,166 --> 00:54:36,411
And she had done no nudity
in films, and it was
1162
00:54:36,445 --> 00:54:39,345
rather surprising in the
movie, "Carnal Knowledge."
1163
00:54:39,379 --> 00:54:43,003
- Where Jack Nicholson is in
the shower in the background.
1164
00:54:43,038 --> 00:54:45,765
And Ann-Margret's
lying on the bed.
1165
00:54:45,799 --> 00:54:47,663
- [Barry] And she's
reading the newspaper,
1166
00:54:47,698 --> 00:54:49,527
and she turns the
page of the newspaper.
1167
00:54:49,562 --> 00:54:51,218
And as she does that
she lifts her arm,
1168
00:54:51,253 --> 00:54:52,772
and her breast is exposed.
1169
00:54:52,806 --> 00:54:55,153
- And she gets up and
goes to the shower.
1170
00:54:55,188 --> 00:54:57,363
And you see her from
behind, but you go
1171
00:54:57,397 --> 00:55:00,469
wow, that's Ann-Margret
and she's naked.
1172
00:55:00,504 --> 00:55:02,437
And that was like, whoa.
1173
00:55:02,471 --> 00:55:04,853
- A lot of times after
the actresses kind of
1174
00:55:04,887 --> 00:55:07,200
broke their screen
nudity virginity,
1175
00:55:07,234 --> 00:55:10,376
when they finally did it and
saw that it wasn't that bad,
1176
00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:11,653
or that it didn't
hurt their career,
1177
00:55:11,687 --> 00:55:12,964
and they could get through it,
1178
00:55:12,999 --> 00:55:15,035
then they started doing
more and more nudity.
1179
00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:17,452
Ann-Margret followed up,
"Carnal Knowledge," by doing
1180
00:55:17,486 --> 00:55:18,867
a nude scene, a topless scene
1181
00:55:18,901 --> 00:55:21,352
in the movie, "Magic,"
with Anthony Hopkins.
1182
00:55:21,387 --> 00:55:23,561
- "The Last Picture Show,"
from Peter Bogdanovich
1183
00:55:23,596 --> 00:55:26,253
is a remarkable movie,
a wonderful film.
1184
00:55:26,288 --> 00:55:27,738
And it also partakes of these
1185
00:55:27,772 --> 00:55:30,361
kind of new freedoms
of this period.
1186
00:55:30,396 --> 00:55:31,707
- I know there was
1187
00:55:31,742 --> 00:55:35,746
a lot of talk about the
freedom of the screen.
1188
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:38,369
And my producers on,
"The Last Picture Show,"
1189
00:55:38,404 --> 00:55:43,270
which we shot in '70,
really wanted nudity,
1190
00:55:44,582 --> 00:55:48,966
and the sexual
aspect of the story,
1191
00:55:50,139 --> 00:55:52,349
as they did in, "Easy
Rider," the year before,
1192
00:55:53,419 --> 00:55:54,592
the same producers.
1193
00:55:56,422 --> 00:56:00,426
It's a story about a small
town in Texas in 1951.
1194
00:56:01,565 --> 00:56:03,670
- What y'all doing
back here in the dark?
1195
00:56:03,705 --> 00:56:05,776
- The kids are coming of age.
1196
00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:08,399
- You see frontal nudity
in it as the people from
1197
00:56:08,434 --> 00:56:11,057
the high school take off
their clothes to skinny dip.
1198
00:56:11,091 --> 00:56:13,266
- You wanna join the club?
1199
00:56:14,094 --> 00:56:15,095
- Sure.
1200
00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:16,062
- Well, you gotta get undressed
1201
00:56:16,096 --> 00:56:18,582
up there on the diving board.
1202
00:56:18,616 --> 00:56:20,411
- [Tommy] So everybody
gets to watch.
1203
00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:21,619
[cheering and whistling]
1204
00:56:21,654 --> 00:56:24,035
- Cybill Shepherd was
1205
00:56:24,070 --> 00:56:26,417
not sure she wanted to do it.
1206
00:56:26,452 --> 00:56:27,418
- That's the rule.
1207
00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:29,247
- Yeah, I did it last Easter.
1208
00:56:29,282 --> 00:56:30,110
- [Agnes] Okay?
1209
00:56:31,457 --> 00:56:32,630
- Okay.
1210
00:56:32,665 --> 00:56:33,907
- But Bert Schneider,
the producer said,
1211
00:56:33,942 --> 00:56:35,115
if she doesn't want
to do the nude scene,
1212
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:35,944
we don't want her
in the picture.
1213
00:56:35,978 --> 00:56:38,187
I said no, I'm going to cast
her.
1214
00:56:39,257 --> 00:56:40,742
And we'll see about
the nude scene.
1215
00:56:40,776 --> 00:56:42,606
Maybe she'll do it,
maybe she won't.
1216
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,643
If she won't, we'll get a
double or something like that.
1217
00:56:45,678 --> 00:56:48,922
I wasn't gonna give
up her as an actress.
1218
00:56:48,957 --> 00:56:52,098
- It's wonderfully in
context of the film.
1219
00:56:52,132 --> 00:56:54,307
It's not at all exploitative.
1220
00:56:54,341 --> 00:56:55,273
It really works with the film.
1221
00:56:55,308 --> 00:56:57,310
- We sort of fell in love,
1222
00:56:58,656 --> 00:57:01,279
and actually that made
it tougher for me.
1223
00:57:01,314 --> 00:57:03,834
'Cause I wasn't sure I
wanted to do that either.
1224
00:57:03,868 --> 00:57:06,457
The scene in the swimming
pool, nobody was there
1225
00:57:06,492 --> 00:57:08,839
except Cybill, and me,
and the camera man.
1226
00:57:08,873 --> 00:57:10,979
- Did Peter need to
have Cybill Shepherd
1227
00:57:11,013 --> 00:57:13,153
be naked when she
jumped in the pool?
1228
00:57:13,188 --> 00:57:16,743
Probably not, but it is a
way of telling a story that's
1229
00:57:16,778 --> 00:57:18,987
different than it would have
been if she had clothes on.
1230
00:57:19,021 --> 00:57:21,714
So I mean, you can use
nudity to make story points.
1231
00:57:22,818 --> 00:57:25,407
[all cheering]
1232
00:57:27,236 --> 00:57:29,791
- I could be completely
murdered for saying this,
1233
00:57:29,825 --> 00:57:32,656
but Europe is like the land of
1234
00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:36,211
the 18 year old actress
and the 50 year old man.
1235
00:57:36,245 --> 00:57:40,042
And this is like a sort of
love story that makes sense.
1236
00:57:40,077 --> 00:57:42,838
This doesn't make sense in
America to American audiences.
1237
00:57:42,873 --> 00:57:45,945
This is something only
Europeans seem to really do.
1238
00:57:45,979 --> 00:57:47,464
You don't see that as much here.
1239
00:57:47,498 --> 00:57:50,294
- "Last Tango in
Paris," is a movie
1240
00:57:50,328 --> 00:57:51,709
that stars Marlon Brando.
1241
00:57:51,744 --> 00:57:55,506
He is looking at a
French apartment for rent
1242
00:57:55,541 --> 00:57:58,198
at the same time a
young French woman is.
1243
00:57:58,233 --> 00:58:00,511
And they agreed to
rent the apartment
1244
00:58:00,546 --> 00:58:03,790
and meet there just for sex.
1245
00:58:03,825 --> 00:58:07,553
There's been a lot of talk
about what the scene is
1246
00:58:07,587 --> 00:58:10,901
where he sodomized her and
uses butter as a lubricant.
1247
00:58:10,935 --> 00:58:12,523
Schneider claimed it
wasn't in the script,
1248
00:58:12,558 --> 00:58:14,525
claims it was sprung on her.
1249
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,805
She said in an
interview I felt as if
1250
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,808
I was being raped,
something like that.
1251
00:58:21,843 --> 00:58:24,535
- The press around this movie.
1252
00:58:24,570 --> 00:58:26,572
Did he really have sex with her?
1253
00:58:26,606 --> 00:58:27,883
Did he mistreat her?
1254
00:58:27,918 --> 00:58:30,334
Did he anally penetrate her?
1255
00:58:30,368 --> 00:58:32,854
- Everything outside
this place is bullshit.
1256
00:58:32,888 --> 00:58:35,063
- It certainly put
butter on the map.
1257
00:58:35,097 --> 00:58:35,926
- Stop!
1258
00:58:37,203 --> 00:58:39,550
- If you go back to her
interview, it really is
1259
00:58:39,585 --> 00:58:41,069
that's a leap from
what she's saying.
1260
00:58:41,103 --> 00:58:45,245
I mean she stayed in touch
with Brando, they were friends.
1261
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,557
- Listen, why don't
you stop talking
1262
00:58:46,592 --> 00:58:48,179
about things that
don't matter here.
1263
00:58:48,214 --> 00:58:49,560
- And I would describe her in
1264
00:58:49,595 --> 00:58:51,562
that movie as nude
instead of naked.
1265
00:58:51,597 --> 00:58:54,565
There is something about
her that's coquettish.
1266
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,567
And she's playing that.
1267
00:58:56,602 --> 00:58:57,913
- All the mysteries that you're
1268
00:58:57,948 --> 00:59:00,295
ever gonna know in
life are right here.
1269
00:59:02,711 --> 00:59:04,471
- The women in
prison genre began,
1270
00:59:04,506 --> 00:59:07,095
actually in the 1970s
with Roger Corman.
1271
00:59:07,129 --> 00:59:11,755
♪ I'm a longtime woman
1272
00:59:11,789 --> 00:59:14,412
♪ And I'm serving my time
1273
00:59:14,447 --> 00:59:16,760
- These were films that starred
1274
00:59:16,794 --> 00:59:19,901
a wonderful actress
named Pam Grier.
1275
00:59:19,935 --> 00:59:22,144
- Where do you want
to be buried, nigger?
1276
00:59:27,771 --> 00:59:30,118
- And it's Miss Nigger to you.
1277
00:59:30,152 --> 00:59:32,741
- Pam Grier should
rule the movies.
1278
00:59:32,776 --> 00:59:35,054
I mean if there was any
justice in the world.
1279
00:59:35,088 --> 00:59:39,127
- The first one, I think,
was, "The Big Dollhouse,"
1280
00:59:39,161 --> 00:59:41,785
"Women in Cages,"
"Twilight People."
1281
00:59:41,819 --> 00:59:44,511
And then, "Black
Mama White Mama,"
1282
00:59:44,546 --> 00:59:46,513
and then, "Coffy," "Foxy
Brown," and, "Sugar Hill."
1283
00:59:46,548 --> 00:59:48,619
And then I had a three
picture deal woo-hoo!.
1284
00:59:48,654 --> 00:59:51,967
- And Pam Grier
became the number one
1285
00:59:52,002 --> 00:59:55,212
action, kick ass
lady of the '70s.
1286
00:59:57,973 --> 01:00:00,286
- And it was basically
just a standard
1287
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,668
prison plot, but it
was women in prison.
1288
01:00:02,702 --> 01:00:04,635
- Something has set in motion,
1289
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:06,810
something where these women
are deprived of their freedom,
1290
01:00:06,844 --> 01:00:09,329
and their put all together
in these terrible situations.
1291
01:00:09,364 --> 01:00:13,023
- The cobra's venom
attacks the nervous system.
1292
01:00:14,024 --> 01:00:17,683
The victim dies in convulsions.
1293
01:00:17,717 --> 01:00:19,512
- And they were
frequently naked.
1294
01:00:19,546 --> 01:00:21,514
- Does this do a
little thing for you?
1295
01:00:21,548 --> 01:00:22,619
- [Mike] And always rebelling
1296
01:00:22,653 --> 01:00:25,000
at the end to get their freedom.
1297
01:00:25,035 --> 01:00:27,175
- These movies became
wildly popular,
1298
01:00:27,209 --> 01:00:29,626
especially in the Deep
South, and the Midwest.
1299
01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:34,009
- And European was more
accepting in nudity.
1300
01:00:34,044 --> 01:00:36,667
the rubenesque, Sophia
Loren, you could
1301
01:00:36,702 --> 01:00:39,843
show a little more bust on her.
1302
01:00:39,877 --> 01:00:42,569
In America they go
[gasping] oh my God.
1303
01:00:42,604 --> 01:00:45,676
When I was in, "The Arena,"
they gave us an option
1304
01:00:45,711 --> 01:00:48,058
to turn face the
camera, just act like
1305
01:00:48,092 --> 01:00:50,301
you're really showering,
you're bathing.
1306
01:00:50,336 --> 01:00:53,684
And I said well, I'm
not gonna cover up,
1307
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:55,859
like the other characters are.
1308
01:00:55,893 --> 01:00:58,206
They're gonna pull
your clothes off.
1309
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,553
And I had to be mentally
prepared to have that done,
1310
01:01:00,587 --> 01:01:03,211
because it had been
done to me as a child.
1311
01:01:03,245 --> 01:01:05,800
- The hint of
promised lesbianism,
1312
01:01:05,834 --> 01:01:08,837
if there were no
actual lesbian scenes.
1313
01:01:08,872 --> 01:01:09,942
- Okay, that's enough.
1314
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,256
Hurry up so you can get out
of here and fix my hair.
1315
01:01:14,291 --> 01:01:17,328
Women in prison
oppressed, they're gonna
1316
01:01:17,363 --> 01:01:22,368
explode with sexual
appetites and attraction,
1317
01:01:23,472 --> 01:01:24,991
and they're just
gonna be borderline.
1318
01:01:25,026 --> 01:01:29,893
Well, yeah that's for when you
oppress anybody for a while.
1319
01:01:29,927 --> 01:01:31,895
And then plus they
didn't have wardrobe.
1320
01:01:31,929 --> 01:01:33,344
We just had T-shirts.
1321
01:01:33,379 --> 01:01:35,899
- And since nothing
succeeds like success,
1322
01:01:35,933 --> 01:01:38,487
they would churn out as
many of them as they could.
1323
01:01:40,455 --> 01:01:41,801
- [Announcer] "Caged Heat."
1324
01:01:42,940 --> 01:01:45,046
- Your guess is as
good as mine as to how
1325
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,910
I got that part
in, "Caged Heat."
1326
01:01:46,944 --> 01:01:48,739
We have a violent sorority here.
1327
01:01:50,258 --> 01:01:51,708
[shirt tearing]
1328
01:01:51,742 --> 01:01:54,434
And very strong ways
of dealing with it.
1329
01:01:56,333 --> 01:01:57,541
- You can't do this to me.
1330
01:01:57,575 --> 01:01:59,474
[electricity crackling]
[groaning in pain]
1331
01:01:59,508 --> 01:02:01,510
- I mean yeah, it was rough.
1332
01:02:02,753 --> 01:02:05,238
For some reason it's
like people that go to
1333
01:02:05,273 --> 01:02:09,277
watch women wrestlers,
they love seeing all those
1334
01:02:09,311 --> 01:02:13,557
shower fights, which is where
the nudity would come in.
1335
01:02:13,591 --> 01:02:16,767
The shower scene was
really treacherous,
1336
01:02:16,802 --> 01:02:19,874
because of the fact that
there was no hot water.
1337
01:02:19,908 --> 01:02:22,808
It was freezing cold,
and here we were naked.
1338
01:02:26,156 --> 01:02:27,813
- "Alice in Wonderland,"
is the innocent blonde girl
1339
01:02:27,847 --> 01:02:32,300
who goes into a trippy
psychedelic world
of talking animals.
1340
01:02:32,334 --> 01:02:34,647
- Hey wait, I'd
like to talk to you.
1341
01:02:34,681 --> 01:02:36,131
- I can't wait when I'm late.
1342
01:02:36,166 --> 01:02:38,582
I'm supposed to be at the
Queen's party at 3:30.
1343
01:02:38,616 --> 01:02:42,172
If I'm late it could
mean my [mimics cutting]
1344
01:02:42,206 --> 01:02:43,621
The Queen's a bitch, tootaloo.
1345
01:02:43,656 --> 01:02:45,934
- And blood thirsty Queens.
1346
01:02:45,969 --> 01:02:47,487
- You misunderstand me, doll.
1347
01:02:48,661 --> 01:02:51,008
I don't want to
cut off your head.
1348
01:02:51,043 --> 01:02:52,423
I want you to give me some head.
1349
01:02:52,458 --> 01:02:55,219
I think that that fantasy world
1350
01:02:56,565 --> 01:03:00,915
was her journey into
sexual discovery.
1351
01:03:00,949 --> 01:03:02,468
She was a lot like me.
1352
01:03:02,502 --> 01:03:07,197
She was young, naive, and
I could relate to that.
1353
01:03:07,991 --> 01:03:09,026
Mr. Rabbit, wait for me.
1354
01:03:10,165 --> 01:03:10,994
- [Mike] And she's
incredibly beautiful,
1355
01:03:11,028 --> 01:03:12,547
incredibly radiant.
1356
01:03:12,581 --> 01:03:15,170
- I remember when I got
the part, I was so excited.
1357
01:03:15,205 --> 01:03:17,690
Like, oh my gosh, I
got my first film.
1358
01:03:17,724 --> 01:03:19,174
Right, yay.
1359
01:03:19,209 --> 01:03:23,109
But I didn't have an agent,
I didn't have an attorney.
1360
01:03:23,144 --> 01:03:26,043
I signed a contract, I don't
even know what I was signing.
1361
01:03:27,010 --> 01:03:28,528
I shouldn't be doing this.
1362
01:03:28,563 --> 01:03:30,876
If I had issues
with the nudity when
1363
01:03:30,910 --> 01:03:33,326
I read the script,
I don't remember.
1364
01:03:33,361 --> 01:03:35,708
It was a role, I was
playing a character.
1365
01:03:35,742 --> 01:03:37,848
And the character
needed to be naked.
1366
01:03:37,883 --> 01:03:39,885
- If it feels good, it is good.
1367
01:03:39,919 --> 01:03:41,507
Learn to trust yourself.
1368
01:03:41,541 --> 01:03:42,715
- I grew up in La Mirada,
1369
01:03:42,749 --> 01:03:44,510
and there was the
La Mirada Drive-in.
1370
01:03:44,544 --> 01:03:48,203
There was a spot where you
could see the drive-in movie.
1371
01:03:48,238 --> 01:03:49,032
- It looks nice.
1372
01:03:49,066 --> 01:03:50,481
- It's very nice.
1373
01:03:50,516 --> 01:03:52,311
- Indubitably nice.
1374
01:03:52,345 --> 01:03:53,691
- And there were
other kids there too.
1375
01:03:53,726 --> 01:03:54,900
And one of the kids was like,
1376
01:03:54,934 --> 01:03:56,867
I'm gonna bring
binoculars next time.
1377
01:03:56,902 --> 01:03:58,075
I was like, oh genius.
1378
01:03:58,110 --> 01:03:59,559
And I remember my
parents were like,
1379
01:03:59,594 --> 01:04:00,491
oh what do you
want for Christmas?
1380
01:04:00,526 --> 01:04:02,148
I want a pair of binoculars.
1381
01:04:02,183 --> 01:04:04,392
- When I was a kid, a
teenager, we'd sneak into
1382
01:04:04,426 --> 01:04:06,325
the drive-in and you'd
see an R rated movie.
1383
01:04:06,359 --> 01:04:08,741
You expected, you
demanded nudity.
1384
01:04:08,775 --> 01:04:10,881
There better be some
gratuitous nudity here.
1385
01:04:10,916 --> 01:04:12,745
Just all of a sudden,
out of nowhere,
1386
01:04:12,779 --> 01:04:14,402
the actress would drop her top.
1387
01:04:14,436 --> 01:04:16,231
And is it something
that would play
1388
01:04:16,266 --> 01:04:18,544
as well now, as
it did back then?
1389
01:04:18,578 --> 01:04:20,235
Probably not.
1390
01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:22,859
- And then, "Alice
in Wonderland," got
an R rated release.
1391
01:04:22,893 --> 01:04:24,722
- Which is where, then
it became popular,
1392
01:04:24,757 --> 01:04:27,518
because it obviously had
a much larger audience.
1393
01:04:27,553 --> 01:04:31,557
- That reflects the 1970s,
that it was so libertine
1394
01:04:31,591 --> 01:04:34,249
that they could show
a soft core porn movie
1395
01:04:34,284 --> 01:04:37,770
projected in public
in a drive-in theater.
1396
01:04:37,804 --> 01:04:40,911
I mean if that happened
now, without a doubt,
1397
01:04:40,946 --> 01:04:44,950
there would be, I mean you
know Twitter would explode.
1398
01:04:46,813 --> 01:04:47,953
- Take off your clothes.
1399
01:04:47,987 --> 01:04:50,058
- I don't like women
giving me orders.
1400
01:04:51,163 --> 01:04:53,406
- [Announcer] "I
Spit on Your Grave."
1401
01:04:53,441 --> 01:04:56,651
- Camille Keaton was a
model who had been in Italy.
1402
01:04:56,685 --> 01:04:59,792
And she made one of
the classics of horror,
1403
01:04:59,826 --> 01:05:02,036
that was called, "I
Spit on Your Grave."
1404
01:05:02,070 --> 01:05:04,831
- Camille Keaton is what
they call a scream queen.
1405
01:05:04,866 --> 01:05:08,456
And a scream queen is an
actress of a certain age,
1406
01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:11,459
that began her career
being chased around
1407
01:05:11,493 --> 01:05:14,289
by guys in hockey
masks, or what have you.
1408
01:05:14,324 --> 01:05:15,808
That's a scream queen.
1409
01:05:15,842 --> 01:05:18,086
[grunting]
1410
01:05:20,986 --> 01:05:24,161
- I can't believe that I'm
sitting here 40 years later,
1411
01:05:24,196 --> 01:05:27,406
and we're having an
interview about this film.
1412
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,237
Now that means something
to me, I have chills.
1413
01:05:31,272 --> 01:05:33,964
The plot of the film
is about a woman
1414
01:05:33,999 --> 01:05:36,139
that goes off to write her book,
1415
01:05:36,173 --> 01:05:38,313
and she goes to the country.
1416
01:05:38,348 --> 01:05:41,144
Shortly thereafter, in the
secluded area she's in,
1417
01:05:41,178 --> 01:05:43,836
she gets raped by four men.
1418
01:05:43,870 --> 01:05:47,288
Stop it, stop it. [grunting]
1419
01:05:48,841 --> 01:05:51,671
- And she's stripped, and
totally exposed, and then
1420
01:05:51,706 --> 01:05:54,467
sets about for the rest of
the film to seek revenge.
1421
01:05:54,502 --> 01:05:57,160
And so there are a
number of scenes of her
1422
01:05:57,194 --> 01:05:58,851
taking off her
clothes seducing men,
1423
01:05:58,885 --> 01:06:03,131
and then exacting her revenge
on the men who had raped her.
1424
01:06:03,166 --> 01:06:05,789
[grunting]
1425
01:06:05,823 --> 01:06:07,308
- We were the first
to make a film
1426
01:06:07,342 --> 01:06:11,312
where a woman does go back and
get revenge on her attackers.
1427
01:06:11,346 --> 01:06:16,351
- They're all about
remaking European movies,
1428
01:06:17,766 --> 01:06:20,355
usually Ingmar Bergman,
like, "The Virgin Spring."
1429
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:22,185
When you realize
where these movies,
1430
01:06:22,219 --> 01:06:24,981
what the inspirations
came from you go, whoa.
1431
01:06:25,015 --> 01:06:29,882
I mean this is kind of Toney for
a trashy exploitation movie.
1432
01:06:29,916 --> 01:06:33,161
- Well, when I read the script
I was very excited about it.
1433
01:06:33,196 --> 01:06:34,818
Here is a script
that can give me
1434
01:06:34,852 --> 01:06:39,064
the opportunity to
cry, be vulnerable.
1435
01:06:39,098 --> 01:06:41,204
I can be everything, I can kill.
1436
01:06:41,238 --> 01:06:44,069
The nudity, that
worried me a little bit.
1437
01:06:44,103 --> 01:06:46,002
I loved everything
else about the film.
1438
01:06:46,036 --> 01:06:48,211
She's a strong character.
1439
01:06:49,246 --> 01:06:50,523
[screaming in pain]
1440
01:06:50,558 --> 01:06:53,837
The director and I
were talking about
1441
01:06:53,871 --> 01:06:56,426
how these nude
scenes would be made.
1442
01:06:56,460 --> 01:07:01,465
And there was a lot of trust
and respect between all of us.
1443
01:07:02,570 --> 01:07:04,848
It came out in Chicago,
and immediately
1444
01:07:04,882 --> 01:07:07,609
was banned in over 200 theaters.
1445
01:07:07,644 --> 01:07:11,096
And I think it had to do
with not just me being nude,
1446
01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:14,030
what happens to me in the film,
the rape, and the revenge.
1447
01:07:14,064 --> 01:07:16,618
and it was so real like.
1448
01:07:18,068 --> 01:07:22,831
But what she did in the
film is certainly to show
1449
01:07:23,729 --> 01:07:25,593
women that they can be strong,
1450
01:07:25,627 --> 01:07:28,803
and that they can
face their attackers.
1451
01:07:28,837 --> 01:07:31,702
And I think they do
that today, more.
1452
01:07:31,737 --> 01:07:34,602
- Well they talk about,
in the '80s slasher films,
1453
01:07:34,636 --> 01:07:38,192
the final girl, who was
usually a virginal figure.
1454
01:07:38,226 --> 01:07:39,779
I believe that's all
about, "Halloween."
1455
01:07:39,814 --> 01:07:42,782
- "Halloween," might have
started this craze where
1456
01:07:42,817 --> 01:07:46,234
the good girl keeps her
clothes on, and she lives.
1457
01:07:46,269 --> 01:07:49,065
But the bad girl gets
undressed, or has sex.
1458
01:07:49,099 --> 01:07:50,238
- Oh, fantastic.
1459
01:07:51,688 --> 01:07:53,241
- [Irv] And she
gets slaughtered.
1460
01:07:53,276 --> 01:07:55,105
- A lot of teen
guys, underage guys,
1461
01:07:55,140 --> 01:07:57,107
were allowed to
see slasher films.
1462
01:07:57,142 --> 01:07:59,420
They were not allowed to
see teen sex comedies.
1463
01:07:59,454 --> 01:08:01,836
And the irony was, why
is it okay to see people
1464
01:08:01,870 --> 01:08:03,976
being killed and
slaughtered, but not okay
1465
01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:06,254
to see a naked body having sex?
1466
01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:08,118
- What I find so
funny about this idea,
1467
01:08:08,153 --> 01:08:11,087
of the good virgin who
keeps her clothes on,
1468
01:08:11,121 --> 01:08:14,124
is Jamie Lee Curtis herself
has made so much fun of it.
1469
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:16,402
And her big quote
is that she didn't
1470
01:08:16,437 --> 01:08:18,646
show her tits until
she went legit.
1471
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,855
It wasn't until she
moved out of horror films
1472
01:08:20,889 --> 01:08:23,133
into serious movies
that people started
1473
01:08:23,168 --> 01:08:24,859
to ask her to take
her shirt off.
1474
01:08:24,893 --> 01:08:27,689
- By the way, food
and rent are not
1475
01:08:27,724 --> 01:08:30,002
the only things around
here that cost money.
1476
01:08:30,036 --> 01:08:32,142
You sleep on the couch.
1477
01:08:32,177 --> 01:08:34,282
- Jamie Lee Curtis
was not the only star
1478
01:08:34,317 --> 01:08:36,595
to kind of perform in these
surprising nude scenes.
1479
01:08:36,629 --> 01:08:38,286
Take somebody like
Malcolm McDowell,
1480
01:08:38,321 --> 01:08:41,289
who went off of movies like,
"If," and, "Oh Lucky Man!",
1481
01:08:41,324 --> 01:08:43,153
and, "A Clockwork
Orange," to take the
1482
01:08:43,188 --> 01:08:46,674
really controversial
lead role in, "Caligula."
1483
01:08:46,708 --> 01:08:49,021
- Malcolm McDowell will always
1484
01:08:49,055 --> 01:08:52,024
be remembered for,
"A Clockwork Orange."
1485
01:08:52,058 --> 01:08:56,373
But he will also live
in infamy for playing
1486
01:08:56,408 --> 01:09:01,171
the title role in Tinto
Brass', "Caligula."
1487
01:09:01,206 --> 01:09:02,379
[squeals]
1488
01:09:02,414 --> 01:09:04,347
- Do I know what the
plot is of, "Caligula?"
1489
01:09:04,381 --> 01:09:07,039
I haven't got a fucking idea.
1490
01:09:07,073 --> 01:09:11,319
And it's a fascinating
part of Roman history.
1491
01:09:11,354 --> 01:09:14,564
- All anyone remembers from
it, is how mad Malcolm was.
1492
01:09:14,598 --> 01:09:16,807
- And I didn't want to
play him as a madman,
1493
01:09:16,842 --> 01:09:20,570
because that's boring
and there's no.
1494
01:09:20,604 --> 01:09:22,813
If he's mad, he's
mad, that's it.
1495
01:09:22,848 --> 01:09:27,853
There's no moral issue with it.
1496
01:09:29,026 --> 01:09:30,200
- [David] Sleeping
with his horse,
1497
01:09:30,235 --> 01:09:33,928
having sex with his
sister, burying people
1498
01:09:33,962 --> 01:09:36,102
up to the neck, and then
cutting their heads off.
1499
01:09:36,137 --> 01:09:38,208
All these scenes of torture.
1500
01:09:38,243 --> 01:09:41,073
- We kind of came up with
this thing that he was
1501
01:09:42,592 --> 01:09:46,043
an anarchist, that
he was destroying
1502
01:09:46,078 --> 01:09:48,805
the Roman Empire from the top.
1503
01:09:49,875 --> 01:09:51,048
Sound familiar?
1504
01:09:51,083 --> 01:09:55,121
- Caesar, emperor of
Rome, lord of the world.
1505
01:09:56,985 --> 01:09:58,573
- Lord of the world?
1506
01:09:58,608 --> 01:10:00,575
I didn't want to do
any nudity in Caligula,
1507
01:10:00,610 --> 01:10:02,853
because everybody else was nude
1508
01:10:02,888 --> 01:10:06,063
in that movie except
me, pretty much.
1509
01:10:06,098 --> 01:10:09,101
And they go would you,
I went nope, nope.
1510
01:10:09,135 --> 01:10:11,897
Everybody else can,
and I'm not going to.
1511
01:10:11,931 --> 01:10:14,934
So that's the way that was.
1512
01:10:14,969 --> 01:10:17,040
I know, I said
it's pretty stupid,
1513
01:10:17,074 --> 01:10:19,284
if I'm in a rainstorm,
not to be naked.
1514
01:10:19,318 --> 01:10:22,632
So I figured that was okay.
1515
01:10:22,666 --> 01:10:27,395
But no making love to this,
I didn't take my stuff off.
1516
01:10:28,293 --> 01:10:29,811
- More conviction.
1517
01:10:29,846 --> 01:10:32,435
- "Caligula," which was I guess,
1518
01:10:32,469 --> 01:10:34,644
one of the great porn
movies of all time.
1519
01:10:36,128 --> 01:10:37,957
We didn't know at the time,
but that's what it became.
1520
01:10:37,992 --> 01:10:42,997
- It is a pure X rated movie,
back when X meant something.
1521
01:10:43,860 --> 01:10:46,621
- I hated it because somewhere,
1522
01:10:46,656 --> 01:10:48,968
when you watch that
movie, you realize
1523
01:10:49,003 --> 01:10:52,282
there is really a wonderful
movie here that's been
1524
01:10:54,422 --> 01:10:57,701
sort of hijacked
by Bob Guccione,
1525
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,602
who was the publisher
of Penthouse.
1526
01:11:01,636 --> 01:11:04,398
But he had absolutely no taste.
1527
01:11:04,432 --> 01:11:05,951
And all you had
to do was look at
1528
01:11:05,985 --> 01:11:07,711
his magazine to figure that out.
1529
01:11:08,954 --> 01:11:10,162
- Peter O'Toole,
and John Gielgud,
1530
01:11:10,196 --> 01:11:11,957
and Helen Mirren are
all in this movie.
1531
01:11:11,991 --> 01:11:14,511
- I know, he hates me.
1532
01:11:15,857 --> 01:11:17,100
- Because you are wise.
1533
01:11:17,134 --> 01:11:21,173
So, when I am gone,
watch out for Macro.
1534
01:11:22,347 --> 01:11:24,935
- He figured if I've
paid for these sets,
1535
01:11:24,970 --> 01:11:26,937
my business is pornography.
1536
01:11:26,972 --> 01:11:29,664
Hey, let's shoot a porno movie.
1537
01:11:29,699 --> 01:11:33,150
And the shot would
be of me close up.
1538
01:11:33,185 --> 01:11:37,016
When I shot that shot, I'm
looking at a pet falcon.
1539
01:11:37,051 --> 01:11:40,675
So cut, two lesbians
in the 69 position,
1540
01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:42,677
licking, and God
knows what else,
1541
01:11:42,712 --> 01:11:46,647
at it, humping, writhing around.
1542
01:11:46,681 --> 01:11:49,684
Come back to me,
quizzical smile.
1543
01:11:51,065 --> 01:11:55,828
And I sat there with
Mary, my then wife.
1544
01:11:55,863 --> 01:12:00,833
And we were like holy
fuck, what is this?
1545
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:06,701
- There was a landmark
movie in 1979 called, "10,"
1546
01:12:06,736 --> 01:12:08,358
which was directed
by Blake Edwards,
1547
01:12:08,393 --> 01:12:12,051
the husband of Mary
Poppins, Julie Andrews.
1548
01:12:12,086 --> 01:12:15,917
And the idea of the movie is
looking for the perfect 10.
1549
01:12:15,952 --> 01:12:19,369
Bo Derek became the
go to actress in
1550
01:12:19,404 --> 01:12:22,027
the nude movies
of the early '80s.
1551
01:12:22,061 --> 01:12:24,201
And if you went to
a Bo Derek movie,
1552
01:12:24,236 --> 01:12:27,377
you would expect that several
times she would disrobe.
1553
01:12:29,103 --> 01:12:30,518
- George.
1554
01:12:30,553 --> 01:12:32,106
- I think in the
history of cinema,
1555
01:12:32,140 --> 01:12:35,592
it's always been considered
much more artistic
1556
01:12:35,627 --> 01:12:39,078
and acceptable if the
actress does nudity,
1557
01:12:39,113 --> 01:12:42,081
as opposed to if the
actor does nudity.
1558
01:12:42,116 --> 01:12:46,362
- I think this is
this hypocritical
side of the business.
1559
01:12:47,915 --> 01:12:50,020
And indeed, men in
general, isn't it?
1560
01:12:50,055 --> 01:12:53,023
Of course we want to
look at this beautiful,
1561
01:12:53,058 --> 01:12:56,406
voluptuous body of a woman.
1562
01:12:56,441 --> 01:13:01,411
But a man with a penis hanging
out, who wants to see that?
1563
01:13:02,619 --> 01:13:05,208
It doesn't have the
same sort of beauty.
1564
01:13:05,242 --> 01:13:07,175
Or not, at least, to
a heterosexual man.
1565
01:13:08,418 --> 01:13:11,214
[calm music]
1566
01:13:11,248 --> 01:13:14,286
- Nudity in American films
is slowly becoming more
1567
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,599
like your European
films used to be.
1568
01:13:16,633 --> 01:13:19,222
- And then we go through
this kind of Renaissance
1569
01:13:19,256 --> 01:13:23,226
of directors like Paul
Mazursky, and Paul Schrader
1570
01:13:23,260 --> 01:13:28,265
with, "American Gigolo,"
with a new kind of freedom.
1571
01:13:29,370 --> 01:13:31,476
- What's amazing about,
"American Gigolo,"
1572
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:34,340
which was a very popular
movie in 1980, is that
1573
01:13:34,375 --> 01:13:39,104
the star of the movie, Richard
Gere, showed his penis.
1574
01:13:40,657 --> 01:13:42,970
- So it still remains,
I think to this day it's
1575
01:13:43,004 --> 01:13:45,559
a little bit of a, I
don't want to say scandal.
1576
01:13:45,593 --> 01:13:47,008
But it's a little bit
shocking and surprising
1577
01:13:47,043 --> 01:13:50,805
when a major male star
consents to do nudity.
1578
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,152
- Blake Edwards
made a movie called,
1579
01:13:53,187 --> 01:13:55,638
"S.O.B." about the
movie industry,
1580
01:13:55,672 --> 01:13:59,262
and put his wife, Julie
Andrews, as the star.
1581
01:13:59,296 --> 01:14:02,472
He played on the
fact that Julie was
1582
01:14:02,507 --> 01:14:06,994
a squeaky clean, Disney
heroine who never swore,
1583
01:14:07,028 --> 01:14:09,928
and was just the sound of music.
1584
01:14:09,962 --> 01:14:14,346
♪ The hills are alive
with the sound of music ♪
1585
01:14:14,380 --> 01:14:17,314
- The movie is a huge flop,
and there's no nudity in it.
1586
01:14:17,349 --> 01:14:19,489
And he decides I'm gonna
put some nudity in it.
1587
01:14:19,524 --> 01:14:21,629
And the only kind of nudity
he could come up with
1588
01:14:21,664 --> 01:14:26,392
that would be daring,
or would be box office,
1589
01:14:26,427 --> 01:14:28,256
is to have his wife
show her breasts.
1590
01:14:29,568 --> 01:14:32,364
[dramatic music]
1591
01:14:33,883 --> 01:14:36,023
[audience applauding]
1592
01:14:36,057 --> 01:14:37,127
- [Mat] It wasn't
a long nude scene,
1593
01:14:37,162 --> 01:14:39,405
but it was Mary Poppins naked.
1594
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:41,994
And that is an
exciting thing to see.
1595
01:14:42,029 --> 01:14:44,031
- That was all done for comedy.
1596
01:14:44,065 --> 01:14:47,034
Yeah, I just think it's a
great send-up of Hollywood.
1597
01:14:47,068 --> 01:14:50,382
But Hollywood doesn't
always like send-ups.
1598
01:14:50,416 --> 01:14:53,696
- "The Happy Hooker
Goes Hollywood," right.
1599
01:14:53,730 --> 01:14:55,629
Well it's Xaviera Hollander,
1600
01:14:55,663 --> 01:14:58,701
who I never met, unfortunately.
1601
01:14:58,735 --> 01:15:00,910
But I was the third hooker.
1602
01:15:00,944 --> 01:15:03,222
The first one was Lynn Redgrave.
1603
01:15:03,257 --> 01:15:05,639
Then there was Joey Heatherton,
and then there was me.
1604
01:15:05,673 --> 01:15:07,641
- [Announcer] There back again,
1605
01:15:07,675 --> 01:15:09,712
Xavier Hollander and her girls.
1606
01:15:09,746 --> 01:15:13,888
Money comes easy to the
girls of Xaviera Hollander.
1607
01:15:13,923 --> 01:15:15,511
- Bouncy, bouncy.
1608
01:15:15,545 --> 01:15:17,651
- So Martine Beswick
is an actress
1609
01:15:17,685 --> 01:15:21,344
who was in tons of films
throughout the '60s and '70s.
1610
01:15:21,378 --> 01:15:24,381
And in fact she was in
a lot of Bond movies.
1611
01:15:24,416 --> 01:15:27,557
She was in, "From Russia with
Love," and, "Thunderball."
1612
01:15:27,592 --> 01:15:30,560
- Tell London I've made
contact with the girl.
1613
01:15:30,595 --> 01:15:32,458
- Well, it's not what
I'd call contact.
1614
01:15:32,493 --> 01:15:35,082
- Let's face it,
it's about a hooker.
1615
01:15:35,116 --> 01:15:37,394
I mean, what am I gonna do?
1616
01:15:37,429 --> 01:15:39,673
I'm gonna pretend
that she's gonna
1617
01:15:39,707 --> 01:15:43,297
have it off with
someone dressed?
1618
01:15:43,331 --> 01:15:45,471
- [New York Cop] Boys
downtown were right, Xaviera.
1619
01:15:45,506 --> 01:15:47,266
You are the best.
1620
01:15:47,301 --> 01:15:49,579
- Do they really say that?
1621
01:15:49,614 --> 01:15:50,960
- Oh yeah, and more.
1622
01:15:52,168 --> 01:15:54,688
But of course, they're
very respectful.
1623
01:15:54,722 --> 01:15:55,896
- Of course.
1624
01:15:57,311 --> 01:16:01,142
It's always a pleasure to
serve New York's finest.
1625
01:16:01,177 --> 01:16:03,420
Actually, it was
really a cute script.
1626
01:16:03,455 --> 01:16:06,078
And it was about a
film within a film.
1627
01:16:06,113 --> 01:16:08,356
And it was about Hollywood
1628
01:16:10,013 --> 01:16:13,810
trying to undermine this woman.
1629
01:16:13,845 --> 01:16:15,605
- And I gotta tell
you, one of the most
1630
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,815
campy, great nude
scenes of all time
1631
01:16:18,850 --> 01:16:21,887
happens in that movie
where Martine Beswick
1632
01:16:21,922 --> 01:16:24,718
is completely naked at
the side of the pool,
1633
01:16:24,752 --> 01:16:29,343
rubbing oil on
Batman, Adam West,
1634
01:16:29,377 --> 01:16:31,690
while he smokes a cigarette.
1635
01:16:33,174 --> 01:16:36,108
And he's completely naked,
by the way, as is she.
1636
01:16:37,006 --> 01:16:39,733
Only in the late
'70s, early '80s
1637
01:16:39,767 --> 01:16:43,771
would you do a nude scene
that was this weird and crazy.
1638
01:16:43,806 --> 01:16:45,324
But it's classic.
1639
01:16:46,532 --> 01:16:50,019
[dramatic music]
1640
01:16:50,053 --> 01:16:51,503
- "The Howling,"
from 1981 is a great,
1641
01:16:51,537 --> 01:16:53,816
one of the great werewolf
movies ever made.
1642
01:16:53,850 --> 01:16:57,820
- And one of the conceits of
the movie is that during sex
1643
01:16:57,854 --> 01:17:01,340
is a particularly propitious
time to turn into a wolf.
1644
01:17:01,375 --> 01:17:03,998
- They're coming from
each side of the screen,
1645
01:17:04,033 --> 01:17:06,000
and the fire is getting
bigger and bigger,
1646
01:17:06,035 --> 01:17:08,002
and they're both naked.
1647
01:17:08,037 --> 01:17:10,039
- The sex scenes are not
all that much fun to do.
1648
01:17:10,073 --> 01:17:12,835
There are certain
visual aspects that
1649
01:17:12,869 --> 01:17:15,216
need to happen in a sex scene,
and things that you need
1650
01:17:15,251 --> 01:17:18,150
to be able to see, and not
see, and not be covered.
1651
01:17:18,185 --> 01:17:19,324
And then when they're on top
1652
01:17:19,358 --> 01:17:22,016
of each other,
they're animals now.
1653
01:17:22,051 --> 01:17:23,777
Do I think the scene would
have worked without the nudity?
1654
01:17:23,811 --> 01:17:26,365
Probably not, that
particular scene no.
1655
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,300
Because the whole scene was
engineered toward the fact
1656
01:17:30,335 --> 01:17:32,026
that we were seeing
this woman naked.
1657
01:17:32,061 --> 01:17:35,029
And it's also a
beautifully lit scene,
1658
01:17:35,064 --> 01:17:37,687
and it's very attractive.
1659
01:17:37,722 --> 01:17:38,999
And it's sexy in its way.
1660
01:17:40,725 --> 01:17:42,899
- Yes, "The Howling II,"
1661
01:17:42,934 --> 01:17:47,939
I was contracted to
do that nude scene.
1662
01:17:49,285 --> 01:17:52,598
And started out with the
ripping, I call it the rip away,
1663
01:17:52,633 --> 01:17:55,878
the rip away dress, where
I tore my dress open
1664
01:17:55,912 --> 01:17:58,052
and then we have a threesome.
1665
01:17:58,087 --> 01:18:00,572
- So they make her
like a blonde werewolf.
1666
01:18:00,606 --> 01:18:04,265
She's in kind of a bodysuit,
but they've got hair
1667
01:18:05,404 --> 01:18:08,304
glued all over her
breasts, and down here.
1668
01:18:09,305 --> 01:18:11,376
Kind of a bush down here, fur.
1669
01:18:12,757 --> 01:18:14,241
And you'll have to ask
Philippe Mora about that,
1670
01:18:14,275 --> 01:18:18,176
because he's a crazy guy, and
he directed the two sequels.
1671
01:18:18,210 --> 01:18:21,006
And they're snarling at each
other, and Philippe was going,
1672
01:18:21,041 --> 01:18:25,528
this is got to be the first
three way in werewolf history.
1673
01:18:25,562 --> 01:18:28,289
[dramatic music]
1674
01:18:29,877 --> 01:18:32,915
- "Personal Best," is,
I think, the best movie
1675
01:18:32,949 --> 01:18:35,124
I've ever seen about
the athletic experience.
1676
01:18:35,158 --> 01:18:39,266
Margaux Hemingway plays this
track and field athlete.
1677
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:41,751
And she falls in love with an
1678
01:18:41,786 --> 01:18:43,788
older woman who is
also an athlete.
1679
01:18:43,822 --> 01:18:46,756
- It was controversial,
there's no question.
1680
01:18:46,791 --> 01:18:49,414
It was the first
film of its kind.
1681
01:18:49,448 --> 01:18:52,762
- But this is a film that
explored a lesbian relationship,
1682
01:18:52,797 --> 01:18:55,558
not just as something that
was part of a male fantasy,
1683
01:18:55,592 --> 01:18:57,422
or in some sort
of soft core film.
1684
01:18:57,456 --> 01:18:59,665
And the subject was
treated with respect.
1685
01:18:59,700 --> 01:19:02,289
- There was enormous
controversy about this.
1686
01:19:02,323 --> 01:19:04,291
I mean it was
Margaux Hemingway's
1687
01:19:04,325 --> 01:19:05,879
doing a sex scene with a woman.
1688
01:19:05,913 --> 01:19:08,813
She winds up with a man
at the end of the film,
1689
01:19:08,847 --> 01:19:12,092
which was a claim that
lesbianism is a phase.
1690
01:19:12,126 --> 01:19:14,473
But the last line of
that movie restates
1691
01:19:14,508 --> 01:19:17,338
the women as the
important relationship.
1692
01:19:17,373 --> 01:19:19,582
- The nudity was again
a little more akin
1693
01:19:19,616 --> 01:19:21,273
to what real life
was all about it.
1694
01:19:21,308 --> 01:19:23,413
If two women are
in the steam room,
1695
01:19:23,448 --> 01:19:25,105
and they're athletes,
they're probably not gonna
1696
01:19:25,139 --> 01:19:28,418
have towels that go from below
their knees to their chins.
1697
01:19:28,453 --> 01:19:29,799
They're probably gonna
take the towels off,
1698
01:19:29,834 --> 01:19:32,181
and be naked, and
just continue to talk.
1699
01:19:32,215 --> 01:19:36,012
- Nudity is expected when
the story supports it.
1700
01:19:36,047 --> 01:19:39,809
It's really not about,
I need this gratuitous
1701
01:19:39,844 --> 01:19:43,502
moment of nudity
to accentuate this.
1702
01:19:43,537 --> 01:19:46,333
Now, there have been movies,
and there are tons of them,
1703
01:19:46,367 --> 01:19:50,371
where that's definitely the
reason why they put it in there.
1704
01:19:50,406 --> 01:19:52,788
I would say that, "Star
80," affected my career
1705
01:19:52,822 --> 01:19:54,686
far more than,
"Personal Best," did.
1706
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,827
"Star 80," was more difficult
for people to watch.
1707
01:19:57,862 --> 01:20:00,002
- It's about this meteoric rise
1708
01:20:00,036 --> 01:20:03,212
of this girl who worked at
a Dairy Queen in Canada.
1709
01:20:03,246 --> 01:20:04,696
- May I take your order now?
1710
01:20:04,730 --> 01:20:08,734
- I'll like something
sweet, soft, and white, you.
1711
01:20:08,769 --> 01:20:10,357
- [Mike] To Playmate
of the Year,
1712
01:20:10,391 --> 01:20:14,050
and then co-starring in a
film by Peter Bogdanovich,
1713
01:20:14,085 --> 01:20:16,294
with whom she also had
a romantic relationship.
1714
01:20:16,328 --> 01:20:18,675
- You shouldn't chew gum,
it's got sugar in it.
1715
01:20:20,919 --> 01:20:24,750
- [Mike] That ends horrifically,
with pimpy husband,
1716
01:20:24,785 --> 01:20:27,512
Paul Schneider, murdering
her with a shotgun.
1717
01:20:27,546 --> 01:20:30,032
[gun fires]
1718
01:20:30,066 --> 01:20:31,481
And violating the corpse,
1719
01:20:31,516 --> 01:20:33,207
and then blowing
his own head off.
1720
01:20:33,242 --> 01:20:35,831
[gun fires]
1721
01:20:35,865 --> 01:20:37,177
- And in a film like, "Star 80,"
1722
01:20:37,211 --> 01:20:39,489
nudity is absolutely necessary.
1723
01:20:39,524 --> 01:20:42,044
It's like, well in
a Playboy movie,
1724
01:20:42,078 --> 01:20:44,149
or a movie about about Playboy.
1725
01:20:44,184 --> 01:20:45,841
- That's called the bunny dip.
1726
01:20:45,875 --> 01:20:48,913
- [Eric] You're gonna see
some breasts, it's their life.
1727
01:20:48,947 --> 01:20:51,501
- There was a big
misinterpretation
1728
01:20:51,536 --> 01:20:53,193
about how I got the role.
1729
01:20:53,227 --> 01:20:55,229
- It was so much
attention over her
1730
01:20:55,264 --> 01:20:58,336
breast augmentation,
it was ridiculous.
1731
01:20:58,370 --> 01:21:00,856
- Yeah, I wouldn't
have gotten the role,
1732
01:21:00,890 --> 01:21:04,031
had I not had breasts,
that's absolutely the truth.
1733
01:21:04,066 --> 01:21:06,413
- She had that
done for the movie.
1734
01:21:06,447 --> 01:21:08,553
Yeah she did, and so?
1735
01:21:08,587 --> 01:21:10,003
- But I did it for me.
1736
01:21:10,037 --> 01:21:13,420
I wouldn't have done
that because of a movie.
1737
01:21:13,454 --> 01:21:14,559
- August.
1738
01:21:14,593 --> 01:21:17,010
- Oh Mr. Hefner, thank you.
1739
01:21:17,044 --> 01:21:18,218
- I gotta be honest with you.
1740
01:21:18,252 --> 01:21:19,460
When I first got the script of,
1741
01:21:19,495 --> 01:21:22,015
"Star 80," I thought
it was horrible.
1742
01:21:22,049 --> 01:21:23,775
- What's wrong with him?
1743
01:21:24,949 --> 01:21:27,744
- Well, he's got the
personality of a pimp.
1744
01:21:27,779 --> 01:21:29,608
- But it's Bob Fosse.
1745
01:21:29,643 --> 01:21:31,748
- Bob Fosse did not
want me for that role.
1746
01:21:31,783 --> 01:21:34,959
You're Tom boyish, you're
from the mountains,
1747
01:21:34,993 --> 01:21:38,755
you're not a Playboy, you're
not a sexy, girly type girl.
1748
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:40,274
And I wasn't.
1749
01:21:40,309 --> 01:21:43,070
And that's exactly why
I wanted to play her.
1750
01:21:43,105 --> 01:21:45,107
- I had a certain manager,
1751
01:21:45,141 --> 01:21:47,247
kept saying why
aren't you a star?
1752
01:21:47,281 --> 01:21:48,938
Why aren't you
still a superstar?
1753
01:21:48,973 --> 01:21:53,046
And I said with what
movies, with what work?
1754
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:54,254
There is no work.
1755
01:21:54,288 --> 01:21:57,050
And he put me in a
certain movie called...
1756
01:21:57,084 --> 01:21:58,327
- [Announcer] "Chained Heat."
1757
01:21:58,361 --> 01:22:01,571
- There is a scene
with John Vernon.
1758
01:22:01,606 --> 01:22:03,470
Got a little too excited.
1759
01:22:03,504 --> 01:22:05,990
And I'm gonna be as polite
as I can about this.
1760
01:22:06,024 --> 01:22:10,960
He didn't follow the rules
of working with stunts.
1761
01:22:13,204 --> 01:22:14,826
[slap lands]
1762
01:22:14,860 --> 01:22:15,654
[crying]
1763
01:22:15,689 --> 01:22:18,140
He hit me hard.
1764
01:22:18,174 --> 01:22:20,280
Not okay.
1765
01:22:24,111 --> 01:22:24,940
No.
1766
01:22:27,873 --> 01:22:29,427
The movie I signed to do,
1767
01:22:29,461 --> 01:22:31,877
was not the movie
that we were filming.
1768
01:22:31,912 --> 01:22:33,810
They kept giving
us script changes.
1769
01:22:33,845 --> 01:22:36,986
And I'm thinking, this
is not okay with me.
1770
01:22:37,021 --> 01:22:42,026
My feeling is, I would rather
see a breast, even a penis,
1771
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:48,204
then I would violence,
that's me. [laughing]
1772
01:22:49,723 --> 01:22:52,277
- The reason I think that
the women in prison movies
1773
01:22:52,312 --> 01:22:55,349
were so important,
especially in the '80s where,
1774
01:22:55,384 --> 01:22:58,007
"Rambo," and, "Commando,"
was coming out.
1775
01:22:58,042 --> 01:23:03,012
Women in prison, that works
worldwide, translates very well.
1776
01:23:04,496 --> 01:23:06,050
- This is what we need to
do, this is what is selling.
1777
01:23:06,084 --> 01:23:09,674
- Well yes, I mean we weren't
doing, "Shawshank Redemption."
1778
01:23:10,778 --> 01:23:12,401
- [Linda] If you didn't
agree to something,
1779
01:23:12,435 --> 01:23:13,919
you weren't gonna work.
1780
01:23:13,954 --> 01:23:16,888
- There is actually
a list of what
1781
01:23:16,922 --> 01:23:21,030
the producers, the directors,
and the distributors want.
1782
01:23:21,065 --> 01:23:24,309
We need three shower
scenes, we need two rapes,
1783
01:23:24,344 --> 01:23:26,208
we need this, we need that.
1784
01:23:26,242 --> 01:23:28,210
- You know for, "Valley
Girl," it was simply
1785
01:23:28,244 --> 01:23:30,729
a distribution deal, necessity.
1786
01:23:30,764 --> 01:23:33,422
- Atlantic Releasing said
it when I met with them.
1787
01:23:33,456 --> 01:23:36,356
And they said well,
we've made them agree.
1788
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:38,323
You are going to
show naked breasts
1789
01:23:38,358 --> 01:23:40,429
in four scenes in this movie.
1790
01:23:40,463 --> 01:23:44,571
- It was like in the
contract as nudity.
1791
01:23:44,605 --> 01:23:48,230
We need three sets of boobs
in this particular film.
1792
01:23:48,264 --> 01:23:49,231
- Is that a problem for you?
1793
01:23:49,265 --> 01:23:50,749
I said no.
1794
01:23:50,784 --> 01:23:54,167
Is it a problem if I do it
whatever way I think of?
1795
01:23:54,201 --> 01:23:56,790
And they said no, we don't
care how we see them.
1796
01:23:56,824 --> 01:23:58,274
We just want to see them.
1797
01:23:58,309 --> 01:24:02,727
And so they would send me
little notes, more breasts.
1798
01:24:02,761 --> 01:24:05,523
- My manager, who was
a woman, said to me,
1799
01:24:05,557 --> 01:24:08,250
oh actresses do this all
the time, it's very common.
1800
01:24:08,284 --> 01:24:11,080
And it's okay, and it's nothing
to be embarrassed about.
1801
01:24:11,115 --> 01:24:12,599
- When I read the script,
I was like oh yeah,
1802
01:24:12,633 --> 01:24:14,946
I'll do this movie, but I
don't want to do the nudity.
1803
01:24:14,980 --> 01:24:18,708
They can probably just get
somebody else in the movie.
1804
01:24:18,743 --> 01:24:20,538
- And I thought that
was interesting,
1805
01:24:20,572 --> 01:24:23,058
because a woman is saying
that to me and not a man.
1806
01:24:23,092 --> 01:24:25,750
- And then I remember my
agent at the time saying,
1807
01:24:25,784 --> 01:24:28,408
okay well I'll talk to
them and tell them that.
1808
01:24:28,442 --> 01:24:29,788
And then what
happened was my agent
1809
01:24:29,823 --> 01:24:31,100
didn't talk to them
and tell them that.
1810
01:24:31,135 --> 01:24:32,619
- I was skeptical.
1811
01:24:32,653 --> 01:24:34,724
Is she saying that
because she wants me
1812
01:24:34,759 --> 01:24:36,001
to get the job and do the job?
1813
01:24:36,036 --> 01:24:37,589
Or is she saying that because
1814
01:24:37,624 --> 01:24:40,489
that is how it's
perceived in the world?
1815
01:24:40,523 --> 01:24:42,629
- Years later, it's all over
the internet forever and ever,
1816
01:24:42,663 --> 01:24:44,424
for the rest of my life,
which I don't mind.
1817
01:24:44,458 --> 01:24:46,460
'Cause I've done total
nudity in movies.
1818
01:24:46,495 --> 01:24:49,463
But to me I don't want
to be the pair of boobs
1819
01:24:49,498 --> 01:24:51,396
for that distribution
deal, I want to be
1820
01:24:51,431 --> 01:24:54,710
the pair of boobs 'cause
it matters to the scene.
1821
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,611
- Well, I kind of felt like
nudity was an important element
1822
01:24:59,646 --> 01:25:02,166
in the sex scenes
in, "Fast Times,"
1823
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,928
because it would
be uncomfortable.
1824
01:25:05,962 --> 01:25:08,137
- Yeah well, the see
with Jennifer Jason Leigh
1825
01:25:08,172 --> 01:25:12,279
in the dugout with the
older man, very tough scene
1826
01:25:12,314 --> 01:25:16,145
to watch, very hurtful,
very realistic.
1827
01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:19,252
- This is not how you
wanted it, or imagined it.
1828
01:25:19,286 --> 01:25:22,117
And your mind is
not in the space
1829
01:25:22,151 --> 01:25:25,672
that makes you feel the way
you thought you would feel.
1830
01:25:25,706 --> 01:25:30,711
I thought when I got lucky
enough to direct a movie that
1831
01:25:32,092 --> 01:25:35,130
I would be able to show it
from a different point of view.
1832
01:25:35,164 --> 01:25:39,306
- She takes nudity, and
intimacy, and the messiness
1833
01:25:39,341 --> 01:25:42,309
of being a young person
trying to figure it out.
1834
01:25:42,344 --> 01:25:44,139
And she looks at it through
a couple different angles.
1835
01:25:44,173 --> 01:25:47,487
- It's strange, you have
to tell them exactly
1836
01:25:47,521 --> 01:25:49,661
what they're doing,
where the hands,
1837
01:25:49,696 --> 01:25:51,180
where they're touching what.
1838
01:25:51,215 --> 01:25:55,011
Because it's almost like,
more than in other scenes,
1839
01:25:55,046 --> 01:25:58,049
they need the permission
to do the things.
1840
01:25:58,083 --> 01:26:02,295
And then to see a naked
guy for the first time,
1841
01:26:02,329 --> 01:26:05,677
would be quite a freak
out for a young girl.
1842
01:26:05,712 --> 01:26:08,473
But as it turned out, I
was not allowed to do that.
1843
01:26:08,508 --> 01:26:12,926
And they said if you have that
shot, you'll get an X rating.
1844
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,893
When I saw the
scene cut together,
1845
01:26:14,928 --> 01:26:18,345
it did not occur to me like
oh that's an X rated scene.
1846
01:26:18,380 --> 01:26:21,210
To me X rated meant porn.
1847
01:26:21,245 --> 01:26:23,937
So we had to blow it up.
1848
01:26:23,971 --> 01:26:25,559
So just like in
every other film,
1849
01:26:25,594 --> 01:26:29,425
you saw a guy who's topless,
which is nothing essentially.
1850
01:26:30,564 --> 01:26:32,566
- I think I came.
1851
01:26:32,601 --> 01:26:33,567
Didn't you feel it?
1852
01:26:34,603 --> 01:26:35,776
- Yeah, I guess I did.
1853
01:26:35,811 --> 01:26:37,571
- So it was cut way down.
1854
01:26:37,606 --> 01:26:40,436
And they said see,
it's better now.
1855
01:26:40,471 --> 01:26:44,026
Like we improved your scene.
1856
01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:46,097
And, like thanks a lot.
1857
01:26:46,131 --> 01:26:47,719
- I don't know if we
could make it now.
1858
01:26:47,754 --> 01:26:50,412
Back then some of the
objections might be more from
1859
01:26:50,446 --> 01:26:53,725
the right wing, kind of
conservative Christian side.
1860
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,764
Now, the objection might be
more from the left which is,
1861
01:26:57,798 --> 01:27:00,939
well, if someone's having sex,
someone's being exploited.
1862
01:27:00,974 --> 01:27:03,908
- I mean distinguishing
between essential nudity,
1863
01:27:03,942 --> 01:27:06,600
and exploitation nudity
is really tricky,
1864
01:27:06,635 --> 01:27:09,396
because sometimes they
clash even in the same film.
1865
01:27:09,431 --> 01:27:12,123
- To me the greatest
nude scene in
1866
01:27:12,157 --> 01:27:14,263
the history of movies
is Phoebe Cates
1867
01:27:14,298 --> 01:27:16,472
in, "Fast Times at
Ridgemont High."
1868
01:27:16,507 --> 01:27:19,130
Judge Reinhold then
steps into the bathroom,
1869
01:27:19,164 --> 01:27:20,649
takes a peek out the window
1870
01:27:20,683 --> 01:27:23,824
at Phoebe Cates in this
luminous red bikini.
1871
01:27:24,756 --> 01:27:27,483
[dramatic music]
1872
01:27:30,003 --> 01:27:30,831
- Hi Brad.
1873
01:27:32,661 --> 01:27:34,663
You know how cute I
always thought you were.
1874
01:27:34,697 --> 01:27:36,803
- You know, I feel
kind of uncomfortable
1875
01:27:36,837 --> 01:27:39,909
about the whole thing
because I didn't want to be,
1876
01:27:39,944 --> 01:27:42,774
oh I'm the one
that's insisting that
1877
01:27:44,189 --> 01:27:47,641
she do a topless scene,
but it was in the script,
1878
01:27:47,676 --> 01:27:49,471
and it was a scene
that was needed.
1879
01:27:49,505 --> 01:27:52,991
Because we wanted to
show the big disconnect
1880
01:27:53,026 --> 01:27:56,167
between what the
fantasy is, and then
1881
01:27:56,201 --> 01:27:59,895
the humiliation of
it not being that.
1882
01:28:02,035 --> 01:28:03,830
- Oh, wait just a minute.
1883
01:28:05,003 --> 01:28:07,489
- And I really told
her she had to talk to
1884
01:28:07,523 --> 01:28:10,457
the producer, Art
Linson, who handled it.
1885
01:28:10,492 --> 01:28:12,977
- Doesn't anybody
fucking knock anymore?
1886
01:28:13,011 --> 01:28:15,600
- I think the scene works,
and I think it helps
1887
01:28:15,635 --> 01:28:20,225
the humor of what happens to
Judge Reinhold after that.
1888
01:28:20,260 --> 01:28:21,434
- [Announcer] What
they're teaching
1889
01:28:21,468 --> 01:28:24,471
in private school
isn't private anymore.
1890
01:28:25,748 --> 01:28:28,475
Especially at the Cherryvale
Academy for Girls.
1891
01:28:29,821 --> 01:28:31,306
- Are are feeling
romantic now, my darling?
1892
01:28:31,340 --> 01:28:35,482
- "Private School," is a
classic bawdy farce plot.
1893
01:28:35,517 --> 01:28:40,107
Three guys dress in drag to
sneak into the girls academy.
1894
01:28:41,246 --> 01:28:42,662
- You only go
around once in life,
1895
01:28:42,696 --> 01:28:44,180
and you gotta grab for
all the nookie you can get.
1896
01:28:44,215 --> 01:28:46,666
- Well, first of all Phoebe
Cates, she was my idol.
1897
01:28:46,700 --> 01:28:49,807
She said, are you are you
worried about the nudity at all?
1898
01:28:49,841 --> 01:28:53,017
And I said, why would I be
worried about the nudity?
1899
01:28:53,051 --> 01:28:55,537
I said it's a great role,
I'm not worried about it.
1900
01:28:55,571 --> 01:28:57,849
She said oh good, I'm
so happy, 'cause I was
1901
01:28:57,884 --> 01:29:00,024
naked like 25 times
in, "Paradise."
1902
01:29:00,058 --> 01:29:01,715
And we just hit it off.
1903
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:04,546
- "Private School,"
also contains one of
the best remembered
1904
01:29:04,580 --> 01:29:07,687
shower scenes, because
it goes on and on.
1905
01:29:07,721 --> 01:29:10,655
- So there's a boy
who's dressed as a girl,
1906
01:29:10,690 --> 01:29:12,174
who's hiding in the sauna.
1907
01:29:12,208 --> 01:29:14,487
And he's
voyeuristically watching
1908
01:29:14,521 --> 01:29:16,247
all these girls take showers.
1909
01:29:16,281 --> 01:29:19,423
And in the movie you see me
in the shower a long time.
1910
01:29:19,457 --> 01:29:22,598
Then you see me in the
locker room getting dressed.
1911
01:29:22,633 --> 01:29:25,187
Then it cuts back, and
I'm in the shower again.
1912
01:29:25,221 --> 01:29:27,914
I did so many shower
scenes, that I always
1913
01:29:27,948 --> 01:29:30,951
thought of myself as the
cleanest actress in Hollywood.
1914
01:29:30,986 --> 01:29:32,953
- Phoebe Cates and
Matthew Modine,
1915
01:29:32,988 --> 01:29:35,956
they were excited about
losing their virginity.
1916
01:29:35,991 --> 01:29:38,407
And then my character, Jordan,
1917
01:29:38,442 --> 01:29:41,410
was interested in Matthew
Modine's character.
1918
01:29:41,445 --> 01:29:44,758
So I tried to steal
him away from her.
1919
01:29:44,793 --> 01:29:48,313
- The scene of her horseback
riding is maybe the,
1920
01:29:49,660 --> 01:29:51,109
I don't know whether to say the
high point or the low point.
1921
01:29:51,144 --> 01:29:53,249
But it's the something
point of gratuitous nudity.
1922
01:29:53,284 --> 01:29:54,699
- [Linda] Surprise.
1923
01:29:54,734 --> 01:29:55,942
- [Richard] Because
not only does she
1924
01:29:55,976 --> 01:29:57,737
take off her top and
ride on the horse,
1925
01:29:57,771 --> 01:30:00,429
but then they give us
a slow motion replay.
1926
01:30:00,464 --> 01:30:02,431
- I said how about if
my helmet falls off?
1927
01:30:02,466 --> 01:30:05,296
And then my hair can blow
in the wind in slow motion.
1928
01:30:05,330 --> 01:30:07,712
And they said oh we love
it, that's a great idea.
1929
01:30:07,747 --> 01:30:09,645
When am I ever gonna
look this good again?
1930
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:13,304
Why not have it on film
for the rest of time,
1931
01:30:13,338 --> 01:30:16,480
where I can remember, oh
my gosh I looked great?
1932
01:30:16,514 --> 01:30:18,758
And I had no problem
with any of it.
1933
01:30:18,792 --> 01:30:20,104
- Okay, "Last American Virgin,"
1934
01:30:20,138 --> 01:30:22,831
is a movie that is
very unexpected.
1935
01:30:22,865 --> 01:30:25,765
What do you do if two best
friends fall for the same girl?
1936
01:30:25,799 --> 01:30:28,802
She winds up choosing to be
with the guy who's more popular.
1937
01:30:28,837 --> 01:30:33,462
Gary is the guy who's shyer,
maybe he's not as confident.
1938
01:30:33,497 --> 01:30:35,809
But he falls for her as well.
1939
01:30:35,844 --> 01:30:37,570
And it's a very simple
story, it's a story
1940
01:30:37,604 --> 01:30:39,572
that I think happens
to a lot of people.
1941
01:30:39,606 --> 01:30:40,814
- Listen, will you
count me out, Rick?
1942
01:30:40,849 --> 01:30:41,988
- Hey, do you want
to get laid or not?
1943
01:30:42,022 --> 01:30:44,473
- Look, I'd rather screw
Godzilla than them.
1944
01:30:44,508 --> 01:30:47,200
- The love scene in, "Virgin,"
1945
01:30:47,234 --> 01:30:50,824
I think what I really loved
about it, it was slow.
1946
01:30:50,859 --> 01:30:53,965
And it was gentle,
and it was beautiful.
1947
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,002
Again, guys would not
come in and see this film
1948
01:30:56,036 --> 01:30:59,350
unless they thought, I'm gonna
get to see some girls naked.
1949
01:30:59,384 --> 01:31:01,317
And then they learn
about this beauty,
1950
01:31:01,352 --> 01:31:03,837
this kind of romantic
aspect to it.
1951
01:31:03,872 --> 01:31:06,668
It kind of lures guys in
with the nudity aspect.
1952
01:31:06,702 --> 01:31:09,222
- [Mike] The movie is
crazy, it's full of pranks.
1953
01:31:10,568 --> 01:31:11,673
- That's nine inches.
1954
01:31:13,882 --> 01:31:17,679
- Oh my God, I'm having
a heart attack, help!
1955
01:31:18,852 --> 01:31:21,165
- Mel, can I borrow
your breath spray?
1956
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:22,649
- I didn't want to be typecast
1957
01:31:22,684 --> 01:31:24,064
as someone who just did nudity.
1958
01:31:24,099 --> 01:31:28,034
I didn't have the the
choices that women do today.
1959
01:31:28,068 --> 01:31:30,519
And I'm very happy to
see that women today
1960
01:31:30,554 --> 01:31:33,971
have the choices where, they
can choose to do nudity or not.
1961
01:31:34,005 --> 01:31:35,697
If a woman's comfortable
with it, great.
1962
01:31:35,731 --> 01:31:38,216
and if they don't,
that's fine too.
1963
01:31:38,251 --> 01:31:40,874
It doesn't mean
you're going to be
1964
01:31:40,909 --> 01:31:42,669
given more or less
of an opportunity.
1965
01:31:42,704 --> 01:31:44,878
I think it just has to
do with who you are.
1966
01:31:44,913 --> 01:31:47,502
- "No Way Out," is a 1987 movie,
1967
01:31:47,536 --> 01:31:49,987
and it's where I think a
lot of people really became
1968
01:31:50,021 --> 01:31:53,093
Sean Young and
Kevin Costner fans.
1969
01:31:53,128 --> 01:31:55,164
- You're pretty
impressed with me.
1970
01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:56,027
- No.
1971
01:31:57,753 --> 01:31:58,789
- Yes, you are.
1972
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,240
- I remember Roger
Donaldson said at the end
1973
01:32:02,275 --> 01:32:05,692
of the audition, when he
finally offered me the part.
1974
01:32:05,727 --> 01:32:07,073
He said well, lift up
your shirt let me see.
1975
01:32:07,107 --> 01:32:08,108
I don't want to make
sure you don't have
1976
01:32:08,143 --> 01:32:09,731
any scars or anything on you.
1977
01:32:09,765 --> 01:32:11,595
And so I was like, okay.
1978
01:32:12,941 --> 01:32:16,841
And it was really ridiculous
on a certain level.
1979
01:32:16,876 --> 01:32:20,017
It's not like you could
say to the producers,
1980
01:32:20,051 --> 01:32:22,951
I love this part but I
don't want to do the nudity.
1981
01:32:22,985 --> 01:32:25,091
That was like, you
had to do the nudity,
1982
01:32:25,125 --> 01:32:27,714
because that was what
they were banking on
1983
01:32:27,749 --> 01:32:31,062
as part of their sexy project.
1984
01:32:32,477 --> 01:32:34,272
- The key scene in that
movie, and the one I think
1985
01:32:34,307 --> 01:32:37,931
fans of '80s sex
scenes remember,
1986
01:32:37,966 --> 01:32:41,107
is in the limo when they're
driving around Washington.
1987
01:32:41,141 --> 01:32:44,282
- Well, I remember doing
the love scene and thinking
1988
01:32:44,317 --> 01:32:48,252
how retarded it was
that I was the only one
1989
01:32:48,286 --> 01:32:51,255
undressed, and
Kevin was nervous.
1990
01:32:51,289 --> 01:32:53,257
Kevin was really nervous.
1991
01:32:53,291 --> 01:32:54,879
And I remember turning
to him and saying
1992
01:32:54,914 --> 01:32:56,812
you're dressed, what
are you talking about?
1993
01:32:56,847 --> 01:32:59,470
Get it together, would you?
1994
01:32:59,504 --> 01:33:02,611
- There's a scene early in
the movie that's really sexy
1995
01:33:02,646 --> 01:33:05,234
where Sean Young
is in a mink coat,
1996
01:33:05,269 --> 01:33:08,790
and just opens it up in the
hallway of her apartment.
1997
01:33:08,824 --> 01:33:11,516
- Hey now, you better beat
it before I get arrested.
1998
01:33:13,277 --> 01:33:14,312
Bye, Nina.
1999
01:33:14,347 --> 01:33:16,487
- Oh, nice meeting you, Tom.
2000
01:33:16,521 --> 01:33:18,489
- People thought it was
a really sexy scene.
2001
01:33:18,523 --> 01:33:20,802
And they thought it
was kind of humorous,
2002
01:33:20,836 --> 01:33:22,838
and casual, and
very comfortable.
2003
01:33:22,873 --> 01:33:26,186
And it's interesting because
that's kind of good acting,
2004
01:33:26,221 --> 01:33:28,326
where really you're
in a situation where
2005
01:33:28,361 --> 01:33:31,019
you don't really want
to be, and you're trying
2006
01:33:31,053 --> 01:33:34,747
to make it look comfortable
and and authentic.
2007
01:33:34,781 --> 01:33:37,508
You don't have to say anything.
2008
01:33:37,542 --> 01:33:39,337
You never say a word.
2009
01:33:39,372 --> 01:33:42,927
So the double edge is,
always in show business,
2010
01:33:42,962 --> 01:33:44,377
is you want to be
attractive enough
2011
01:33:44,411 --> 01:33:46,068
that people want
you to be naked.
2012
01:33:48,036 --> 01:33:52,488
But you want to work with people
that aren't gonna abuse it.
2013
01:33:52,523 --> 01:33:55,802
- Traci Lords is obviously
famous for being a porn star
2014
01:33:55,837 --> 01:33:58,011
who got into the
business underage,
2015
01:33:58,046 --> 01:34:02,015
and then all of those films she
made quickly became illegal.
2016
01:34:02,050 --> 01:34:04,846
About 1987, she did
a movie produced
2017
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,676
by Roger Corman called,
"Not of This Earth."
2018
01:34:07,711 --> 01:34:11,335
- It was my first
mainstream, leading role.
2019
01:34:11,369 --> 01:34:13,682
And it changed everything.
2020
01:34:13,717 --> 01:34:15,201
- Actually when you
get to know me better,
2021
01:34:15,235 --> 01:34:17,410
I'm really a
sweetheart of a guy.
2022
01:34:17,444 --> 01:34:19,515
- I bet Attila the
Hun felt the same way.
2023
01:34:20,896 --> 01:34:22,484
Well, when I read the script
for, "Not of This Earth,"
2024
01:34:22,518 --> 01:34:25,832
it was clear where there
was nudity in the film.
2025
01:34:26,937 --> 01:34:28,904
No Tommy, not here.
2026
01:34:29,767 --> 01:34:31,389
- Oh, you gotta be jacking me?
2027
01:34:32,425 --> 01:34:33,564
- I was jacking you before,
2028
01:34:33,598 --> 01:34:35,048
now I'm just telling
you something.
2029
01:34:35,083 --> 01:34:37,602
As in all of Roger Corman's,
or at least the ones I've seen,
2030
01:34:37,637 --> 01:34:41,227
and Jim Wynorski
films, you always had
2031
01:34:41,261 --> 01:34:43,229
the female character
that somehow
2032
01:34:43,263 --> 01:34:45,541
manages to lose her
top at some point.
2033
01:34:46,922 --> 01:34:49,545
And what do you do to earn your
keep, 'sides hassle nurses?
2034
01:34:49,580 --> 01:34:50,823
- [Jeremy] Most anything.
2035
01:34:50,857 --> 01:34:52,376
- Such as?
2036
01:34:52,410 --> 01:34:54,723
- [Jeremy] Such as fixing
meals that Johnson never eats.
2037
01:34:54,758 --> 01:34:58,554
- I mean all kinds of
bizarre ridiculous scenarios.
2038
01:34:58,589 --> 01:35:00,902
- Why don't you take
off them glasses?
2039
01:35:00,936 --> 01:35:03,698
You wouldn't want
to miss any of this.
2040
01:35:03,732 --> 01:35:06,735
- That's just the way that
they had their formula.
2041
01:35:06,770 --> 01:35:07,598
That's what they did.
2042
01:35:07,632 --> 01:35:08,841
[girls screaming]
2043
01:35:08,875 --> 01:35:12,430
And for me it wasn't
that big of a deal.
2044
01:35:12,465 --> 01:35:14,536
It was never a conversation that
2045
01:35:14,570 --> 01:35:16,434
I had with the
director, or Roger.
2046
01:35:16,469 --> 01:35:19,852
It was, here's this lead
role, do you want this?
2047
01:35:19,886 --> 01:35:22,302
[calm music]
2048
01:35:23,752 --> 01:35:25,236
- "Henry and June," was
the first film to receive
2049
01:35:25,271 --> 01:35:27,273
an NC-17 because that
was the first film
2050
01:35:27,307 --> 01:35:28,930
we happened to see
that hit that level
2051
01:35:28,964 --> 01:35:32,071
after we trademarked the rating.
2052
01:35:32,105 --> 01:35:33,451
- Then all of a
sudden X just became
2053
01:35:33,486 --> 01:35:36,903
a subset of the rating
system that became so onerous
2054
01:35:36,938 --> 01:35:38,629
that they had to
actually get rid of
2055
01:35:38,663 --> 01:35:40,769
the X rating altogether,
and change it
2056
01:35:40,804 --> 01:35:44,152
to NC-17, which is kind
of a toothless rating.
2057
01:35:44,186 --> 01:35:46,395
- "Henry and June," is about
the author Henry Miller,
2058
01:35:46,430 --> 01:35:48,915
who wrote a lot of
really tawdry novels.
2059
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:52,332
And so his life, which
included his wife June,
2060
01:35:52,367 --> 01:35:55,232
and he having kind of
a strange polyamorous
2061
01:35:55,266 --> 01:35:58,097
sort of three-way
relationship with Anais Nin,
2062
01:35:58,131 --> 01:35:59,926
another author of
sort of erotica.
2063
01:35:59,961 --> 01:36:02,135
- And Henry and June
took full advantage
2064
01:36:02,170 --> 01:36:05,932
of that NC-17 rating
with the lesbian scene
2065
01:36:05,967 --> 01:36:08,659
between UMA Thurman
and Maria de Medeiros.
2066
01:36:11,938 --> 01:36:13,629
- Fred Ward, plays Henry Miller,
2067
01:36:13,664 --> 01:36:15,804
is naked in quite a
lot of that movie too.
2068
01:36:15,839 --> 01:36:18,151
And I applaud the fact
that the the sex scenes
2069
01:36:18,186 --> 01:36:20,084
were not, they didn't pull back.
2070
01:36:20,119 --> 01:36:22,500
Because the authors and
the people in question
2071
01:36:22,535 --> 01:36:24,537
were so kind of open
about their sexuality
2072
01:36:24,571 --> 01:36:25,987
"Bad Lieutenant," from 1992.
2073
01:36:26,021 --> 01:36:28,196
And this movie also
got an NC-17 rating.
2074
01:36:28,230 --> 01:36:29,956
But Harvey Keitel
is an actor who
2075
01:36:29,991 --> 01:36:31,647
has appeared nude in
quite a few movies.
2076
01:36:31,682 --> 01:36:34,167
But this one was the
most kind of out there.
2077
01:36:34,202 --> 01:36:37,032
And he looks like a guy
at the end of his rope.
2078
01:36:37,067 --> 01:36:38,827
Not just a bad police officer,
2079
01:36:38,862 --> 01:36:41,450
but he is a drug
addict, he's a murderer.
2080
01:36:41,485 --> 01:36:43,832
He's just an all
around bad person.
2081
01:36:45,869 --> 01:36:47,698
- [LT] You fucking stand there,
2082
01:36:47,732 --> 01:36:50,114
and you want me to do
every fucking thing.
2083
01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:54,015
- Keitel is drunk,
and he's very naked.
2084
01:36:54,049 --> 01:36:56,120
It's not disgusting
because he's naked in it,
2085
01:36:56,155 --> 01:36:58,157
the character is disgusting.
2086
01:36:58,191 --> 01:36:59,192
You know what's coming 'cause
2087
01:36:59,227 --> 01:37:00,711
it's so infamous in that movie.
2088
01:37:00,745 --> 01:37:04,025
But it's a powerful moment
for that character, I think.
2089
01:37:04,059 --> 01:37:07,545
- In 1992 the movie, "The
Crying Game," was released.
2090
01:37:07,580 --> 01:37:10,686
It really became a hit
because of a surprise,
2091
01:37:10,721 --> 01:37:13,206
a secret that was
supposed to be kept
2092
01:37:13,241 --> 01:37:15,450
about some big
revelation in the film.
2093
01:37:17,245 --> 01:37:19,557
- And it's like
the song, "Lola."
2094
01:37:19,592 --> 01:37:22,767
She walks like a woman,
and talks like a man.
2095
01:37:22,802 --> 01:37:25,253
[calm music]
2096
01:37:29,188 --> 01:37:30,430
- [Dil] You did
know, didn't you?
2097
01:37:30,465 --> 01:37:31,397
- It was stunning.
2098
01:37:31,431 --> 01:37:35,194
And it was done so brilliantly,
2099
01:37:35,228 --> 01:37:37,886
and it's a beautiful film,
and it's a great film.
2100
01:37:37,921 --> 01:37:41,165
But I think it also played
off of the fact that we expect
2101
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,237
to see certain things in
movies when it comes to nudity.
2102
01:37:44,272 --> 01:37:49,001
We're taking male sexuality,
and we're playing with it.
2103
01:37:49,035 --> 01:37:51,589
And that makes most
men very uncomfortable.
2104
01:37:51,624 --> 01:37:53,798
- No, don't ask me in.
2105
01:37:53,833 --> 01:37:54,765
- Please, Jude.
2106
01:37:54,799 --> 01:37:57,906
- No, I can't pretend that much.
2107
01:37:57,941 --> 01:38:01,254
- It says as much about how we
expect to see things in movies
2108
01:38:01,289 --> 01:38:03,843
as about the movie itself,
and the characters in it.
2109
01:38:06,811 --> 01:38:08,192
- In the early mid
1990s there was
2110
01:38:08,227 --> 01:38:12,300
this just cluster
of erotic thrillers.
2111
01:38:12,334 --> 01:38:16,821
- There were so many movies
where women became empowered.
2112
01:38:16,856 --> 01:38:20,825
- "Basic Instinct," is
another film that had the kind
2113
01:38:20,860 --> 01:38:24,795
of publicity you can't
manufacture in advance.
2114
01:38:24,829 --> 01:38:26,141
- Are you sorry he's dead?
2115
01:38:27,004 --> 01:38:27,867
- Yeah.
2116
01:38:28,972 --> 01:38:30,559
I liked fucking him.
2117
01:38:30,594 --> 01:38:32,285
- You've got Michael Douglas.
2118
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:33,459
- Games are over.
2119
01:38:33,493 --> 01:38:35,461
- Playing a sex
addict in the movie.
2120
01:38:35,495 --> 01:38:37,912
And he just literally is
2121
01:38:37,946 --> 01:38:40,328
up to his eyeballs
in Sharon Stone's
2122
01:38:44,504 --> 01:38:45,333
charisma.
2123
01:38:47,473 --> 01:38:50,441
- It's really really rare,
and certainly at the time
2124
01:38:50,476 --> 01:38:53,824
for any actress to do that
graphic of a nude scene,
2125
01:38:53,858 --> 01:38:56,689
where she uncrosses and
crosses her legs like that.
2126
01:38:56,723 --> 01:38:58,449
- It's one of the most famous
2127
01:38:58,484 --> 01:39:01,832
and iconic scenes in
contemporary cinema.
2128
01:39:01,866 --> 01:39:03,834
- But the scene that was
2129
01:39:03,868 --> 01:39:06,319
really surprising to
me was the beginning.
2130
01:39:06,354 --> 01:39:08,770
It wasn't just that
she was naked and to be
2131
01:39:08,804 --> 01:39:11,462
a tool of some other man's
sexual gratification.
2132
01:39:11,497 --> 01:39:13,637
She was naked, and
murdered a man.
2133
01:39:13,671 --> 01:39:18,262
And so that juxtaposition
of clearly intentional,
2134
01:39:18,297 --> 01:39:20,678
clearly acting and planning out
2135
01:39:20,713 --> 01:39:25,166
her plans but also naked
is stuck in my mind.
2136
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:30,033
- One of the most empowering
images, or nudity in film
2137
01:39:30,067 --> 01:39:31,862
that I can recall, or
the first thing that
2138
01:39:31,896 --> 01:39:35,038
really struck me was Julianne
Moore in, "Short Cuts."
2139
01:39:35,072 --> 01:39:37,005
- It's more like she
is so in her scene
2140
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,284
that she has no idea
that she's bottomless.
2141
01:39:40,319 --> 01:39:42,493
So it makes the scene
funny, and real,
2142
01:39:42,528 --> 01:39:45,358
and gives me more
empathy towards her.
2143
01:39:45,393 --> 01:39:46,877
- I wonder whether
anybody would even be
2144
01:39:46,911 --> 01:39:49,017
in the mood for a drink
if had to drive around
2145
01:39:49,052 --> 01:39:51,330
half the night looking
for an open market.
2146
01:39:51,364 --> 01:39:53,884
- Did he kiss you tits,
did you touch him?
2147
01:39:53,918 --> 01:39:55,506
- Touch him?
2148
01:39:55,541 --> 01:39:56,991
Touch him?
2149
01:39:57,025 --> 01:39:58,993
- She has done so much nudity
in so many different films
2150
01:39:59,027 --> 01:40:02,203
that it just seems like
it's part of her career.
2151
01:40:02,237 --> 01:40:04,722
It doesn't seem like
she's exploiting it,
2152
01:40:04,757 --> 01:40:07,587
or being exploited, it's
just that she's an actress
2153
01:40:07,622 --> 01:40:11,039
who is completely comfortable
with doing nudity.
2154
01:40:11,074 --> 01:40:14,698
- When the empathy is apt,
then you know it's necessary.
2155
01:40:14,732 --> 01:40:17,839
When when the empathy
is drained out,
2156
01:40:17,873 --> 01:40:19,565
there's objectification
happening.
2157
01:40:19,599 --> 01:40:22,050
- "Showgirls," is just an
old fashioned Hollywood story
2158
01:40:22,085 --> 01:40:24,087
about how a gal comes
to Vegas and wants
2159
01:40:24,121 --> 01:40:26,158
to get naked so she
can become a star.
2160
01:40:26,192 --> 01:40:27,331
I've seen it a
million times before.
2161
01:40:27,366 --> 01:40:29,368
It actually, basically,
is "All About Eve."
2162
01:40:29,402 --> 01:40:31,370
- Did you enjoy that out there?
2163
01:40:33,889 --> 01:40:35,581
- Yeah darling, I think I did.
2164
01:40:38,101 --> 01:40:39,550
- I hate you.
2165
01:40:39,585 --> 01:40:44,279
The Rena Riffel, Elizabeth
Berkley, lesbian pole dance.
2166
01:40:44,314 --> 01:40:47,455
Between the lighting, the music,
2167
01:40:47,489 --> 01:40:51,217
the bumping and grinding,
the reaction from the crowd.
2168
01:40:51,252 --> 01:40:54,910
It encapsulates everything,
"Showgirls," is about.
2169
01:40:54,945 --> 01:40:59,087
- It's like jumping off a
cliff, a short small cliff.
2170
01:41:01,469 --> 01:41:03,091
Like okay, I'm just gonna do it.
2171
01:41:03,126 --> 01:41:05,404
- Paul Verhoeven, and
screenwriter Joe Eszterhas
2172
01:41:05,438 --> 01:41:08,096
wanted to make the movie
NC-17, deliberately.
2173
01:41:08,131 --> 01:41:09,787
They wanted to get that rating.
2174
01:41:09,822 --> 01:41:12,066
- Was I just taken advantage
of, and I thought that
2175
01:41:12,100 --> 01:41:15,241
I was being a really
great committed actress,
2176
01:41:15,276 --> 01:41:17,726
but really they were
just turning me into
2177
01:41:17,761 --> 01:41:21,282
like a soft core porn
kind of performance?
2178
01:41:21,316 --> 01:41:24,008
That movie has like ruined my
2179
01:41:25,182 --> 01:41:28,944
personal life when it
comes to relationships.
2180
01:41:28,979 --> 01:41:32,845
I get like nudity
shamed all the time.
2181
01:41:32,879 --> 01:41:35,296
- When you do this, when
you're a smart director,
2182
01:41:35,330 --> 01:41:37,125
you make the audience accept it.
2183
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:38,989
You're not saying
look, they're naked.
2184
01:41:39,023 --> 01:41:41,647
Okay, they're naked,
they would be naked.
2185
01:41:41,681 --> 01:41:43,407
The same way as if you
were making a movie
2186
01:41:43,442 --> 01:41:45,168
about construction
workers, you'd expect
2187
01:41:45,202 --> 01:41:47,756
the characters to
be wearing hardhats.
2188
01:41:47,791 --> 01:41:49,310
It really is the same thing.
2189
01:41:49,344 --> 01:41:51,829
- So Demi Moore in,
"Striptease," the nudity
2190
01:41:51,864 --> 01:41:54,004
was interesting
because she didn't look
2191
01:41:54,038 --> 01:41:56,351
anything like she did
in, "About Last Night."
2192
01:41:56,386 --> 01:41:59,837
The reason is she had
breast implants, and I think
2193
01:41:59,872 --> 01:42:03,186
she felt really good about
herself, she looked amazing.
2194
01:42:03,220 --> 01:42:06,154
Obviously did those nude scenes,
2195
01:42:06,189 --> 01:42:09,675
with Burt Reynolds especially,
that people remember.
2196
01:42:09,709 --> 01:42:11,884
- You just don't know
how much I worship you.
2197
01:42:13,506 --> 01:42:14,438
- How much?
2198
01:42:16,060 --> 01:42:17,993
- I wonder if you could
look at the trajectory
2199
01:42:18,028 --> 01:42:22,343
of nudity over one
actress' career?
2200
01:42:22,377 --> 01:42:23,516
- You can absolutely trace
2201
01:42:23,551 --> 01:42:25,208
an actor's career via
their nude scenes.
2202
01:42:25,242 --> 01:42:26,726
Take Teresa Russell,
for example,
2203
01:42:26,761 --> 01:42:29,004
where she started early
with, "Straight Time,"
2204
01:42:29,039 --> 01:42:30,696
then Nicolas Roeg's,
"Bad Timing,"
2205
01:42:30,730 --> 01:42:33,147
then, "Eureka,"
then, "Black Widow,"
2206
01:42:33,181 --> 01:42:35,804
then Ken Russell's,
"Whore," and, "Wild Things."
2207
01:42:35,839 --> 01:42:38,980
And a very eclectic group
of films from there as well.
2208
01:42:39,014 --> 01:42:40,982
Kathleen Turner shocked
everyone with some
2209
01:42:41,016 --> 01:42:43,536
explicit nudity in,
"Body Heat," from 1981.
2210
01:42:43,571 --> 01:42:45,883
And that was all
essential to the plot.
2211
01:42:45,918 --> 01:42:47,920
As her career went on, she was
seen in essential nude scenes
2212
01:42:47,954 --> 01:42:50,888
in, "Romancing the Stone,"
"Crimes of Passion,"
2213
01:42:50,923 --> 01:42:52,718
"A Breed Apart," and,
"War of the Roses."
2214
01:42:52,752 --> 01:42:55,065
"Tess," provided Nastassja
Kinski a lot of acclaim
2215
01:42:55,099 --> 01:42:59,000
in 1979 with an essential nude
scene, although she started
2216
01:42:59,034 --> 01:43:00,726
much earlier than that
in, "Stay as You Are,"
2217
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:02,866
and, "Boarding School," in 1978.
2218
01:43:02,900 --> 01:43:06,318
and then her career kind of
exploded to feature other
2219
01:43:06,352 --> 01:43:08,078
important nude scenes
like, "Cat People,"
2220
01:43:08,112 --> 01:43:10,080
which is maybe her
most popular film.
2221
01:43:10,114 --> 01:43:12,082
And somebody else whose
career you can trace
2222
01:43:12,116 --> 01:43:14,257
via their nude scenes
is Melanie Griffith,
2223
01:43:14,291 --> 01:43:16,328
who appeared in
essential nude scenes in,
2224
01:43:16,362 --> 01:43:19,020
"Something Wild," "Nobody's
Fool," with Paul Newman,
2225
01:43:19,054 --> 01:43:22,575
"Night Moves," "Body Double,"
and quite a few other ones.
2226
01:43:22,610 --> 01:43:26,096
- A distinction needs to
be made about attitude
2227
01:43:26,130 --> 01:43:27,718
when you advise an actress
2228
01:43:27,753 --> 01:43:29,927
to take a role and
take her clothes off.
2229
01:43:29,962 --> 01:43:32,102
If the representative's,
or the producer's,
2230
01:43:32,136 --> 01:43:37,141
or the studio's thinking is
heartless, and not regarding
2231
01:43:38,281 --> 01:43:42,837
the artist as an artist,
then bye, not good.
2232
01:43:43,734 --> 01:43:46,358
- Kate Winslet was nude in like
2233
01:43:46,392 --> 01:43:47,980
probably her first 20 movies.
2234
01:43:48,014 --> 01:43:50,465
- The first time an
actress is nude in a film,
2235
01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:53,399
it's a big deal,
she's showing herself,
2236
01:43:53,434 --> 01:43:56,609
she's vulnerable, she's
sensitive, she's emotional.
2237
01:43:56,644 --> 01:43:58,266
And then it's hard
to kind of reconcile
2238
01:43:58,301 --> 01:44:01,096
her nudity with her
mind of a character.
2239
01:44:01,131 --> 01:44:02,822
- Like there are
movies where she did
2240
01:44:02,857 --> 01:44:04,652
full frontal nudity
and everything.
2241
01:44:04,686 --> 01:44:06,585
And they were quirky,
and they were great.
2242
01:44:06,619 --> 01:44:09,139
And it like really
showcased her as an actress,
2243
01:44:09,173 --> 01:44:12,246
that sort of was comfortable
in her own skin and everything.
2244
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:14,109
- "Titanic," it
was a it was one of
2245
01:44:14,144 --> 01:44:16,146
the biggest grossing
movies ever.
2246
01:44:16,180 --> 01:44:19,736
And the nudity in
that was confined to
2247
01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:23,809
Kate getting her portrait
painted by Leonardo.
2248
01:44:23,843 --> 01:44:26,294
And it was what we
would call tasteful.
2249
01:44:26,329 --> 01:44:27,985
- And being a movie
that families,
2250
01:44:28,020 --> 01:44:29,780
and everybody were going to see,
2251
01:44:29,815 --> 01:44:31,195
I think when that moment
occurred they figured
2252
01:44:31,230 --> 01:44:34,302
we were gonna get the
traditional 1950s era shot,
2253
01:44:34,337 --> 01:44:36,200
where we saw the naked
back of the woman,
2254
01:44:36,235 --> 01:44:37,926
and the guy would see
it, and that'd be it.
2255
01:44:37,961 --> 01:44:42,034
But no, we actually saw Kate
Winslet's character topless.
2256
01:44:42,068 --> 01:44:45,417
- "Titanic," was a very very
interesting film for us,
2257
01:44:45,451 --> 01:44:48,489
as far as nudity is concerned,
because in our board
2258
01:44:48,523 --> 01:44:51,802
we had mostly all PG-13s,
2259
01:44:51,837 --> 01:44:56,220
except for one or
two of the fathers.
2260
01:44:56,255 --> 01:44:59,189
- But it's a beautiful moment,
and it's true to the story.
2261
01:44:59,223 --> 01:45:00,846
And it's actually one of
the most important scenes
2262
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,468
in the movie, because
it's the moment where
2263
01:45:02,503 --> 01:45:04,953
we realized that she's
gonna be herself.
2264
01:45:04,988 --> 01:45:07,922
Surprising that it got through,
but it was the right thing.
2265
01:45:09,372 --> 01:45:12,306
"Boogie Nights," was
made in the '90s,
2266
01:45:12,340 --> 01:45:14,687
but it's actually
largely set in the 1970s
2267
01:45:14,722 --> 01:45:18,208
at the height of the porn
industry, when filmmakers
2268
01:45:18,242 --> 01:45:20,452
were making literally
hundreds of porn movies,
2269
01:45:20,486 --> 01:45:21,660
and showing them in theaters,
2270
01:45:21,694 --> 01:45:22,868
because this was
before the internet,
2271
01:45:22,902 --> 01:45:26,389
and before even cable TV
or anything like that.
2272
01:45:26,423 --> 01:45:31,325
- It, I think, gave a
very accurate picture
2273
01:45:31,359 --> 01:45:34,569
of what it's like
to be on a porn set,
2274
01:45:34,604 --> 01:45:39,609
and the chaos wrought of the
switchover from film to video.
2275
01:45:40,506 --> 01:45:41,231
- No no, we just keep shooting.
2276
01:45:41,265 --> 01:45:42,681
This is video.
2277
01:45:42,715 --> 01:45:45,235
We shoot, and shoot, and
then we deal with it later.
2278
01:45:45,269 --> 01:45:46,685
- Paul Thomas Anderson,
who directed it,
2279
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:49,032
has this amazing cast,
with Burt Reynolds playing
2280
01:45:49,066 --> 01:45:51,724
kind of the father figure
who makes all these movies.
2281
01:45:51,759 --> 01:45:53,416
Julianne Moore is his wife,
2282
01:45:53,450 --> 01:45:56,936
who also still appears
in porn movies.
2283
01:45:56,971 --> 01:45:59,560
And then Heather Graham
plays roller girl,
2284
01:45:59,594 --> 01:46:01,251
who dropped out of high school,
2285
01:46:01,285 --> 01:46:02,425
and she still is on
her roller skates,
2286
01:46:02,459 --> 01:46:04,530
and is becoming a
pretty big porn star.
2287
01:46:04,565 --> 01:46:06,567
And then Mark Wahlberg,
who is discovered,
2288
01:46:06,601 --> 01:46:08,845
classic Hollywood
style because he has
2289
01:46:08,879 --> 01:46:11,675
a certain gift that
you just can't fake.
2290
01:46:11,710 --> 01:46:14,264
- He becomes the star
of porn in the '70s,
2291
01:46:14,298 --> 01:46:17,301
and then he gets embroiled
in drugs and crime,
2292
01:46:17,336 --> 01:46:18,786
and everything like that,
everything that kind of
2293
01:46:18,820 --> 01:46:22,065
was bad about the post
'70s porn industry.
2294
01:46:22,099 --> 01:46:22,893
- I want to fuck!
2295
01:46:22,928 --> 01:46:24,136
It's my big dick!
2296
01:46:24,170 --> 01:46:26,138
So everybody get
ready fucking now!
2297
01:46:26,172 --> 01:46:27,691
- It's also very true
to the subject matter.
2298
01:46:27,726 --> 01:46:30,280
You can't have a movie
about the porn industry,
2299
01:46:30,314 --> 01:46:33,904
and then cut away when there's
going to be the sexy scene.
2300
01:46:33,939 --> 01:46:36,942
So the first time Mark
Wahlberg's character
2301
01:46:36,976 --> 01:46:39,047
is introduced Heather
Graham's roller girl,
2302
01:46:39,082 --> 01:46:40,290
and Burt Reynolds
is there with them
2303
01:46:40,324 --> 01:46:41,809
and says you guys
want to go at it?
2304
01:46:41,843 --> 01:46:44,881
And she just whips off the
clothes, and skates over,
2305
01:46:44,915 --> 01:46:46,917
other than the skates,
completely naked.
2306
01:46:49,989 --> 01:46:51,301
- Are you ready?
2307
01:46:51,335 --> 01:46:53,890
- Yeah, are you?
- Oh yeah.
2308
01:46:53,924 --> 01:46:57,480
♪ Your window last night
2309
01:46:57,514 --> 01:46:59,965
- Are you gonna take
your skates off?
2310
01:46:59,999 --> 01:47:02,139
- I don't take my skates off.
2311
01:47:02,174 --> 01:47:03,347
And don't fucking cum in me.
2312
01:47:03,382 --> 01:47:04,210
- Okay.
2313
01:47:05,349 --> 01:47:06,972
-Aim it at her tits, Eddie.
2314
01:47:07,006 --> 01:47:08,422
- Spoiler alert,
this movie came out
2315
01:47:08,456 --> 01:47:09,664
20 years ago, if
you haven't seen it.
2316
01:47:09,699 --> 01:47:12,287
But eventually we see
a lot of reaction shots
2317
01:47:12,322 --> 01:47:14,324
to people reacting
to what Mark Wahlberg
2318
01:47:14,358 --> 01:47:15,774
looks like with his clothes off.
2319
01:47:15,808 --> 01:47:17,672
We finally get the money
shot, so to speak, at the end.
2320
01:47:17,707 --> 01:47:22,366
- The end is, it's a gloss
on the end of, "Raging Bull."
2321
01:47:22,401 --> 01:47:26,301
- I could have been a contender,
I could have been somebody
2322
01:47:26,336 --> 01:47:28,511
instead of a bum,
which is what I am.
2323
01:47:29,995 --> 01:47:33,343
- He's ready to go on to
film a scene, and just to
2324
01:47:33,377 --> 01:47:36,173
check his confidence
he unbuttons his pants.
2325
01:47:36,208 --> 01:47:38,659
And you see for the first time
2326
01:47:38,693 --> 01:47:41,316
what everyone has talked
about in the movie.
2327
01:47:41,351 --> 01:47:44,527
- [David] What's he supposed
to have, this giant penis.
2328
01:47:44,561 --> 01:47:46,977
So it was a custom
made giant penis,
2329
01:47:47,012 --> 01:47:48,531
and we all got to
see it at the end.
2330
01:47:48,565 --> 01:47:49,842
- Looking in the mirror.
2331
01:47:49,877 --> 01:47:53,190
And then when he stands
up, his head's cut off.
2332
01:47:53,225 --> 01:47:57,678
So it's like the personality's
gone, he is his penis.
2333
01:47:57,712 --> 01:47:59,990
- The end of, "Boogie
Nights," I won't kid you,
2334
01:48:00,025 --> 01:48:03,994
we received a lot of comment
about, after we rated it R.
2335
01:48:04,029 --> 01:48:06,341
But I have to share with
you that the comments
2336
01:48:06,376 --> 01:48:08,378
came from the media,
not from parents.
2337
01:48:08,412 --> 01:48:10,311
They thought it
was a true rating.
2338
01:48:10,345 --> 01:48:12,796
They thought it was right on.
2339
01:48:12,831 --> 01:48:14,833
- The rebirth of sex
comedies was, "American Pie."
2340
01:48:14,867 --> 01:48:19,009
There hadn't really
been many for a while.
2341
01:48:19,044 --> 01:48:19,976
- Illegal channels?
2342
01:48:20,010 --> 01:48:21,805
- This is just a bad reception.
2343
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,014
- [Television] Oh,
spank my hairy ass.
2344
01:48:24,049 --> 01:48:24,912
- What's that?
2345
01:48:24,946 --> 01:48:26,396
- [Television] Ooh, baby.
2346
01:48:26,430 --> 01:48:27,570
- You know what here,
just give me this please.
2347
01:48:27,604 --> 01:48:28,812
- The new generation coming up
2348
01:48:28,847 --> 01:48:31,263
hadn't really seen those
movies of the '80s.
2349
01:48:31,297 --> 01:48:33,334
So it was the right
time, right place.
2350
01:48:33,368 --> 01:48:37,062
And then it sparked
a big genre, again
2351
01:48:37,096 --> 01:48:38,719
going in the next wave.
2352
01:48:38,753 --> 01:48:41,411
- We all get laid
before we graduate.
2353
01:48:41,445 --> 01:48:43,413
- And it's relatable because we
2354
01:48:43,447 --> 01:48:44,897
all go through
that stage of life.
2355
01:48:44,932 --> 01:48:46,865
- That comes easier
for some than others.
2356
01:48:46,899 --> 01:48:49,281
One that it does not come
easy for is Jason Biggs in
2357
01:48:49,315 --> 01:48:53,181
the lead, who at one point
asks his friend, Steve Stifler.
2358
01:48:53,216 --> 01:48:55,598
- What exactly does
third base feel like?
2359
01:48:55,632 --> 01:48:58,117
- Like warm apple pie.
2360
01:48:58,152 --> 01:48:59,394
- Yeah?
2361
01:48:59,429 --> 01:49:00,292
- The most famous
scene in the movie,
2362
01:49:00,326 --> 01:49:02,018
of course, involves Jason Biggs
2363
01:49:02,052 --> 01:49:05,055
attempting to make love
to a warm apple pie,
2364
01:49:05,090 --> 01:49:08,196
and getting interrupted by
Eugene Levy, his father.
2365
01:49:08,231 --> 01:49:11,579
- [Jim] Oh yeah, oh.
2366
01:49:11,614 --> 01:49:13,132
- Jim?
2367
01:49:13,167 --> 01:49:14,375
- It's not what it looks like.
2368
01:49:14,409 --> 01:49:16,550
- Nadia's the foreign
exchange student.
2369
01:49:16,584 --> 01:49:18,275
She's just like everyone else,
2370
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:22,383
finding herself, and
her sexuality, and boys.
2371
01:49:22,417 --> 01:49:25,282
- You need to change, right?
2372
01:49:25,317 --> 01:49:26,318
- Do you mind?
2373
01:49:26,352 --> 01:49:27,940
- No, no not at all.
2374
01:49:27,975 --> 01:49:31,116
Please you know just go ahead
and get un, get changed.
2375
01:49:31,150 --> 01:49:32,807
- If I hadn't done,
"American Pie,"
2376
01:49:32,842 --> 01:49:34,706
and I hadn't done
the role of Nadia,
2377
01:49:34,740 --> 01:49:36,777
and the nudity that
came along with it,
2378
01:49:36,811 --> 01:49:39,469
I might not have a career today.
2379
01:49:39,503 --> 01:49:42,058
- The scene of her stripping
down on the webcam is like,
2380
01:49:42,092 --> 01:49:43,818
that's burned into
the memories of like
2381
01:49:43,853 --> 01:49:46,441
kids who were in high
school and in the late '90s.
2382
01:49:46,476 --> 01:49:48,340
- So rather than,
as in, "Porkies,"
2383
01:49:48,374 --> 01:49:51,895
the guys spied on the girls
through holes in the wall,
2384
01:49:51,930 --> 01:49:54,242
in, "American Pie,"
the guys spied on
2385
01:49:54,277 --> 01:49:56,141
the naked girls
using the internet.
2386
01:49:56,175 --> 01:49:58,453
- I mean kids are taking
pictures of themselves,
2387
01:49:58,488 --> 01:50:00,628
and putting it on the
internet all the time.
2388
01:50:00,663 --> 01:50:02,457
So it's not as big of a deal.
2389
01:50:02,492 --> 01:50:03,666
You see it online every day,
2390
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:06,151
you see it on
Instagram, or wherever.
2391
01:50:06,185 --> 01:50:07,842
I didn't really
think about the fact
2392
01:50:07,877 --> 01:50:09,637
that my character had nudity.
2393
01:50:09,672 --> 01:50:11,121
I was a struggling actor,
2394
01:50:11,156 --> 01:50:13,330
I was auditioning for
everything I could.
2395
01:50:13,365 --> 01:50:17,541
So when I got the role, I was
just so excited to get it.
2396
01:50:17,576 --> 01:50:20,648
I tried really hard to just go
in there and not be nervous.
2397
01:50:20,683 --> 01:50:23,375
We added some stuff that
wasn't actually in the script.
2398
01:50:23,409 --> 01:50:25,929
So like when I
walked to the mirror,
2399
01:50:25,964 --> 01:50:28,000
and I'm topless, and
I'm looking at myself,
2400
01:50:28,035 --> 01:50:30,658
I kind of look at
my stomach and think
2401
01:50:30,693 --> 01:50:32,833
you know I'm not happy
with the way I look.
2402
01:50:32,867 --> 01:50:34,144
'Cause that's what girls do.
2403
01:50:34,179 --> 01:50:36,181
Doing, "American Pie,"
and the role of Nadia,
2404
01:50:36,215 --> 01:50:38,666
changed everything
for me and my career.
2405
01:50:38,701 --> 01:50:40,461
I ended up getting
a three picture deal
2406
01:50:40,495 --> 01:50:42,566
with Miramax because of it.
2407
01:50:42,601 --> 01:50:44,189
- Looks like you could
use an extra hand.
2408
01:50:44,223 --> 01:50:45,362
- Jim.
2409
01:50:45,397 --> 01:50:46,536
- Well.
2410
01:50:46,570 --> 01:50:48,020
- Shame on you.
2411
01:50:48,055 --> 01:50:49,539
- [Jim] Yeah.
2412
01:50:49,573 --> 01:50:50,816
- So if something comes in now,
2413
01:50:50,851 --> 01:50:52,784
it is important what
kind of project it is.
2414
01:50:52,818 --> 01:50:54,855
And then what kind
of nudity is it?
2415
01:50:54,889 --> 01:50:57,202
Is it important for
what the script's about,
2416
01:50:57,236 --> 01:50:59,169
or is it gratuitous and
they're just throwing it
2417
01:50:59,204 --> 01:51:01,378
in there to get some
kind of a rating?
2418
01:51:01,413 --> 01:51:02,690
- And so that was kind of like
2419
01:51:02,725 --> 01:51:04,243
hey let's, we can do this again.
2420
01:51:04,278 --> 01:51:05,659
And there were so
many that there needed
2421
01:51:05,693 --> 01:51:08,316
to be a parody movie
a couple years later.
2422
01:51:08,351 --> 01:51:10,733
[calm music]
2423
01:51:12,044 --> 01:51:13,667
- I thought what a funny role.
2424
01:51:13,701 --> 01:51:16,704
I don't think I can get naked,
2425
01:51:16,739 --> 01:51:19,051
like I don't think I
can do that part of it.
2426
01:51:20,777 --> 01:51:22,572
- So, you've got your
class schedule, right?
2427
01:51:22,606 --> 01:51:24,332
- I don't need the
class schedule.
2428
01:51:24,367 --> 01:51:26,990
I only come to this school
to be object of lust
2429
01:51:27,025 --> 01:51:30,235
for poor nerds who cannot
get American pussy.
2430
01:51:30,269 --> 01:51:32,858
- To spoof the gratuitous nudity
2431
01:51:32,893 --> 01:51:35,999
in, "American Pie," they
just had Serena Vincent
2432
01:51:36,034 --> 01:51:38,933
walk around the school
completely nude.
2433
01:51:38,968 --> 01:51:40,245
- As though foreign
exchange students
2434
01:51:40,279 --> 01:51:42,281
are supposed to be naked.
2435
01:51:42,316 --> 01:51:43,731
- [Girl] 100% completely fake.
2436
01:51:43,766 --> 01:51:46,596
- [Girl] I agree, that's
not her natural hair color.
2437
01:51:46,630 --> 01:51:48,080
- Oh my God, I
can't believe she's
2438
01:51:48,115 --> 01:51:49,426
wearing the same outfit as me.
2439
01:51:49,461 --> 01:51:51,739
- I remember telling my agent,
2440
01:51:51,774 --> 01:51:53,810
like can I read for a
different role?
2441
01:51:55,294 --> 01:51:57,607
And they said no, this is the
one they want to see you for.
2442
01:51:57,641 --> 01:52:00,748
- But she went to class
nude, walked the halls nude,
2443
01:52:00,783 --> 01:52:04,027
went to prom nude, went to
the sporting events nude.
2444
01:52:04,062 --> 01:52:06,271
- She gets to sing a
little song topless.
2445
01:52:06,305 --> 01:52:10,724
♪ Look at me my
breasts are perky yes ♪
2446
01:52:12,139 --> 01:52:15,936
The comedy made it more fun
for me, and less intimidating.
2447
01:52:15,970 --> 01:52:20,975
However, shooting nude
scenes are one thing.
2448
01:52:23,702 --> 01:52:25,186
That's like one beast.
2449
01:52:26,429 --> 01:52:29,777
Dealing with the world
judging you afterwards
2450
01:52:29,812 --> 01:52:31,952
was something that I
wasn't prepared for.
2451
01:52:31,986 --> 01:52:33,263
I started off on a kids show.
2452
01:52:33,298 --> 01:52:35,300
I started off the
Yellow Power Ranger
2453
01:52:35,334 --> 01:52:37,751
on, "Power Rangers Lost Galaxy."
2454
01:52:37,785 --> 01:52:40,477
The most interesting thing
about the Power Rangers was
2455
01:52:41,824 --> 01:52:44,758
that a lot of Power
Rangers fans were offended
2456
01:52:46,276 --> 01:52:48,589
that one of my
next big roles was,
2457
01:52:48,623 --> 01:52:51,281
"Not Another Teen Movie,"
and, "Cabin Fever,"
2458
01:52:51,316 --> 01:52:53,525
because there was nudity
in, "Cabin Fever," as well.
2459
01:52:53,559 --> 01:52:56,148
I was offered many
many roles after,
2460
01:52:56,183 --> 01:52:58,495
"Not Another Teen Movie,"
and, "Cabin Fever,"
2461
01:52:58,530 --> 01:53:00,152
that were all about being nude.
2462
01:53:00,187 --> 01:53:02,085
So, that's an interesting
part of the business,
2463
01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:04,950
is like what casting directors,
and what the business,
2464
01:53:04,985 --> 01:53:08,264
and what the world sees
you as, as an actor.
2465
01:53:08,298 --> 01:53:11,819
But then watching yourself
on the big screen,
2466
01:53:15,029 --> 01:53:18,826
totally naked, I
wasn't prepared for it.
2467
01:53:18,861 --> 01:53:21,346
I didn't think about that part.
2468
01:53:21,380 --> 01:53:23,451
- I wasn't ready to
walk into a theater
2469
01:53:23,486 --> 01:53:27,801
and see myself naked that
big, on a big screen.
2470
01:53:27,835 --> 01:53:32,495
- And I attribute that
night of the premiere to me
2471
01:53:34,048 --> 01:53:38,466
becoming very ill, to the
point of where I almost died.
2472
01:53:38,501 --> 01:53:41,538
Seeing myself that
big on the screen,
2473
01:53:41,573 --> 01:53:46,578
I became totally anorexic
and I went down to 76 pounds.
2474
01:53:48,407 --> 01:53:50,720
- And then also I
wasn't prepared for
2475
01:53:50,754 --> 01:53:54,344
the entire world
picking your body apart.
2476
01:53:54,379 --> 01:53:57,037
- It was really
something, I had no,
2477
01:53:57,071 --> 01:54:00,903
I had no clue that something
like that could happen.
2478
01:54:02,111 --> 01:54:05,666
- "Terminator 3," is
about John Connor,
2479
01:54:05,700 --> 01:54:07,564
who has been living
off the grid.
2480
01:54:07,599 --> 01:54:10,084
The Terminator
actually is his ally,
2481
01:54:10,119 --> 01:54:13,881
and helps John Connor
from getting killed
2482
01:54:13,916 --> 01:54:18,886
by the evil new cyborg,
the TX, which is me.
2483
01:54:18,921 --> 01:54:20,370
- We have Kristanna Loken nude,
2484
01:54:20,405 --> 01:54:22,717
in the opening credits
sequence actually,
2485
01:54:22,752 --> 01:54:24,927
where she lands
from another time.
2486
01:54:25,962 --> 01:54:27,412
And there's a car that pulls up,
2487
01:54:27,446 --> 01:54:29,759
this beautiful sports
car convertible,
2488
01:54:29,793 --> 01:54:31,934
and naked she walks
through the street
2489
01:54:31,968 --> 01:54:34,143
to the car, and
she car jacks it.
2490
01:54:35,454 --> 01:54:37,008
- I like this car.
2491
01:54:37,042 --> 01:54:40,321
Well, I was familiar with
2492
01:54:41,460 --> 01:54:43,462
the nudity in the
Terminator franchise,
2493
01:54:43,497 --> 01:54:46,224
what we would call
the birthing scene.
2494
01:54:46,258 --> 01:54:48,605
When Arnold's character
comes to Earth
2495
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:51,263
for the first time
from the future,
2496
01:54:51,298 --> 01:54:53,610
and Robert Patrick's character.
2497
01:54:53,645 --> 01:54:55,958
And I figured
there's not gonna be
2498
01:54:55,992 --> 01:54:57,891
anything different
with my character.
2499
01:54:57,925 --> 01:55:00,721
But I was just glad it was
the very last day of filming,
2500
01:55:00,755 --> 01:55:05,036
and I had all that time to get
in the best shape of my life.
2501
01:55:05,070 --> 01:55:09,109
Women that are
powerful, and that can
2502
01:55:09,143 --> 01:55:13,423
match men or best them in
battle, it really stand out.
2503
01:55:16,012 --> 01:55:17,911
What price do you
put on your body,
2504
01:55:17,945 --> 01:55:19,982
and what are you willing
to get naked for?
2505
01:55:21,190 --> 01:55:23,571
It's easier for a man to
just have his shirt off,
2506
01:55:23,606 --> 01:55:25,815
you know, and not have
anything thought of it,
2507
01:55:25,849 --> 01:55:28,404
other than a woman, even
if they're in bed together,
2508
01:55:28,438 --> 01:55:32,822
which I agree, the bed sheets
up here, it looks weird.
2509
01:55:33,961 --> 01:55:35,135
- No, I don't want
to be known as
2510
01:55:35,169 --> 01:55:36,860
the actress who
just does nudity.
2511
01:55:36,895 --> 01:55:40,761
And I didn't know if anybody
would take me seriously,
2512
01:55:40,795 --> 01:55:43,798
or let alone give me roles
that didn't demand that.
2513
01:55:43,833 --> 01:55:46,284
- As a woman if you have
your eyes open, and you have
2514
01:55:46,318 --> 01:55:49,632
a good solid brain on
your head, you can do it.
2515
01:55:49,666 --> 01:55:51,875
And there's nobody
saying that you can't,
2516
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:55,707
in this day and age, except
the women themselves.
2517
01:55:55,741 --> 01:55:58,710
- So there's theories
of humor that say that
2518
01:55:58,744 --> 01:56:02,196
what funny things are,
are benign violations.
2519
01:56:02,231 --> 01:56:04,854
They're violations of
how the world should be.
2520
01:56:04,888 --> 01:56:06,235
But they're not threatening.
2521
01:56:06,994 --> 01:56:10,204
So for instance Ken Davitian
in, "Borat," you're not used
2522
01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:12,551
to seeing really heavy
dudes running around naked.
2523
01:56:12,586 --> 01:56:15,382
And so perceiving that makes
you feel uncomfortable,
2524
01:56:15,416 --> 01:56:17,660
and that kind of feeling
of a uncomfortableness
2525
01:56:17,694 --> 01:56:19,869
leads you to think
of it as funny.
2526
01:56:19,903 --> 01:56:21,836
- I had no idea who Sacha was.
2527
01:56:21,871 --> 01:56:24,115
I had never seen an Ali G.
2528
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:26,876
But I know I auditioned
in character,
2529
01:56:26,910 --> 01:56:31,915
dressed with a suit that I
wore when I was 360 pounds.
2530
01:56:33,227 --> 01:56:37,576
The nudity that we did, I
never saw written on any paper.
2531
01:56:38,715 --> 01:56:39,889
The big superstars
gonna run around naked,
2532
01:56:39,923 --> 01:56:43,893
and I made sure he was
naked because he did it.
2533
01:56:43,927 --> 01:56:45,999
So I'll be darned if
I'm not gonna do it.
2534
01:56:46,033 --> 01:56:50,658
- The sequence where Borat,
and Ken Davitian's character,
2535
01:56:50,693 --> 01:56:53,696
who is a very large man,
he's over 300 pounds,
2536
01:56:53,730 --> 01:56:57,044
and having, having a
naked wrestling match
2537
01:56:57,079 --> 01:56:58,908
that just keeps
going, it just goes
2538
01:56:58,942 --> 01:57:01,738
on and on, and
doesn't shy away from.
2539
01:57:01,773 --> 01:57:03,602
I mean that's a movie that earns
2540
01:57:03,637 --> 01:57:05,880
it's graphic nudity MPAA rating.
2541
01:57:07,227 --> 01:57:10,920
- That scene with Ken
Davitian and Sacha Baron Cohen
2542
01:57:10,954 --> 01:57:12,577
is one of the
funniest nude scenes
2543
01:57:12,611 --> 01:57:14,096
I've ever seen in my life.
2544
01:57:14,130 --> 01:57:18,065
[speaking in foreign language]
2545
01:57:22,759 --> 01:57:25,072
- We had a naked
fight coordinator.
2546
01:57:25,107 --> 01:57:30,008
The television, a lamp, they
were all stunt equipment.
2547
01:57:31,423 --> 01:57:33,805
So he could hit me with it,
I could hit him with it.
2548
01:57:35,151 --> 01:57:38,258
I said, if I'm naked, people
are gonna go like this.
2549
01:57:38,292 --> 01:57:40,605
They'll go [grunting]
2550
01:57:40,639 --> 01:57:43,263
And they said yeah,
that's what we want.
2551
01:57:44,678 --> 01:57:47,612
It was the first time,
and the only time
2552
01:57:47,646 --> 01:57:49,855
I had control of anything.
2553
01:57:50,856 --> 01:57:52,203
But Sacha's the one that wanted
2554
01:57:52,237 --> 01:57:54,481
to go to the cliff and jump off.
2555
01:57:58,485 --> 01:57:59,589
Those are my testicle.
2556
01:58:00,797 --> 01:58:03,938
Sure he's gasping,
but I wasn't farting out
2557
01:58:03,973 --> 01:58:07,770
gas for him to die, it was
just a little accident.
2558
01:58:09,151 --> 01:58:11,843
- We made this movie called,
"Zack and Miri Make a Porno."
2559
01:58:11,877 --> 01:58:13,465
There was a little
bit of nudity in it,
2560
01:58:13,500 --> 01:58:15,916
more so than any of the
other movies I ever made.
2561
01:58:15,950 --> 01:58:18,125
But not, it's not graphic.
2562
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:19,989
It's certainly a
misleading title.
2563
01:58:20,023 --> 01:58:21,611
You're not seeing
any penetration in,
2564
01:58:21,646 --> 01:58:23,579
"Zack and Miri Make a Porno."
2565
01:58:23,613 --> 01:58:24,821
- What?
2566
01:58:24,856 --> 01:58:26,823
- We're making a porno,
and we just need to know
2567
01:58:26,858 --> 01:58:30,517
what you would be, or would
not be, interested in doing.
2568
01:58:30,551 --> 01:58:31,380
- If anything.
2569
01:58:32,519 --> 01:58:33,451
- No anal.
2570
01:58:33,485 --> 01:58:34,866
- Oh, definitely no anal.
2571
01:58:34,900 --> 01:58:36,764
- Anal and hugging.
2572
01:58:36,799 --> 01:58:38,490
- I don't do ass stuff.
2573
01:58:38,525 --> 01:58:39,836
- Anal.
2574
01:58:39,871 --> 01:58:41,148
- Oh fuck.
2575
01:58:41,183 --> 01:58:43,357
- Oh wait, oral, I like anal.
2576
01:58:43,392 --> 01:58:44,324
- Yay.
2577
01:58:44,358 --> 01:58:46,602
Title got the movie greenlit.
2578
01:58:46,636 --> 01:58:48,845
But then when it came time
for the movie to come out,
2579
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:50,502
some networks were
like, we won't
2580
01:58:50,537 --> 01:58:53,298
play a commercial for
this before midnight.
2581
01:58:53,333 --> 01:58:56,474
- You can see the MPAA
putting its fingers
2582
01:58:56,508 --> 01:58:58,545
even on just the topic of porn.
2583
01:58:58,579 --> 01:59:01,341
Because they had initially
wanted Kevin Smith to cut
2584
01:59:01,375 --> 01:59:04,620
the words, "make a
porno," out of the film
2585
01:59:04,654 --> 01:59:06,622
and just call it, "Zack and
Miri," which means nothing.
2586
01:59:06,656 --> 01:59:08,520
The draw of the movie is
that these two schlubs
2587
01:59:08,555 --> 01:59:11,213
want to go make a porn to save
2588
01:59:11,247 --> 01:59:13,076
their coffee shop, or
something like that, anyway.
2589
01:59:13,111 --> 01:59:15,872
- With this mailing list
we have almost 1000 people
2590
01:59:15,907 --> 01:59:18,392
that would definitely
buy a porno we were in,
2591
01:59:18,427 --> 01:59:20,808
just to be like hey I sit
next to the guy in Civics.
2592
01:59:20,843 --> 01:59:22,362
Look at his fucking dick.
2593
01:59:22,396 --> 01:59:24,709
- There's some adult actresses,
2594
01:59:24,743 --> 01:59:26,159
former adult actresses
in the movie.
2595
01:59:26,193 --> 01:59:28,851
You had Traci Lords, who
was obviously infamous,
2596
01:59:28,885 --> 01:59:30,197
although she's not
nude in the film.
2597
01:59:30,232 --> 01:59:31,198
- So a movie, huh?
2598
01:59:32,406 --> 01:59:33,925
That could be fun.
2599
01:59:35,616 --> 01:59:38,688
[calm music]
2600
01:59:38,723 --> 01:59:40,311
[flatulating]
2601
01:59:40,345 --> 01:59:42,865
[funky music]
2602
01:59:50,148 --> 01:59:51,908
- Her name, Bubbles.
2603
01:59:51,943 --> 01:59:54,083
- When you look at a film
like, "Zack and Miri,"
2604
01:59:54,117 --> 01:59:58,398
I think that comedy
and the nudity that
2605
01:59:58,432 --> 02:00:00,814
are actually in, "Zack
and Miri," were perfect.
2606
02:00:01,953 --> 02:00:03,610
I mean the scene
wouldn't have worked
2607
02:00:03,644 --> 02:00:07,407
if she hadn't been
fully bare and there.
2608
02:00:07,441 --> 02:00:09,098
- Kevin Smith ran into
a lot of problems,
2609
02:00:09,132 --> 02:00:12,550
just trying to get the movie
distributed and marketed.
2610
02:00:12,584 --> 02:00:14,345
- If it makes you
uncomfortable in any way,
2611
02:00:14,379 --> 02:00:16,761
you don't have to
show me anything
2612
02:00:16,795 --> 02:00:19,729
you don't want to
show me 'cause.
2613
02:00:22,145 --> 02:00:23,388
I love the movies.
2614
02:00:23,423 --> 02:00:24,769
- You might wander in
to see a movie called,
2615
02:00:24,803 --> 02:00:26,253
"Zack and Miri,"
if you're my mom,
2616
02:00:26,288 --> 02:00:28,117
not knowing that it's
about what it's about.
2617
02:00:28,151 --> 02:00:30,119
And then all of a sudden
you're make a porno?
2618
02:00:30,153 --> 02:00:31,983
- It's such a shame,
because I think
2619
02:00:32,017 --> 02:00:34,261
it's one of his better films,
2620
02:00:34,296 --> 02:00:36,746
that people were so
afraid of the title.
2621
02:00:36,781 --> 02:00:39,542
But people are afraid of sex.
2622
02:00:39,577 --> 02:00:42,269
And maybe they're a little
bit afraid of nudity too.
2623
02:00:42,304 --> 02:00:43,443
- [Mike] There's
a billboard for,
2624
02:00:43,477 --> 02:00:45,962
"Zach and Miri Make a
Porno," with Seth Rogen
2625
02:00:45,997 --> 02:00:48,379
and Elizabeth Banks, and
they were just stick figures.
2626
02:00:48,413 --> 02:00:50,588
- Katie Morgan
gets kind of naked,
2627
02:00:50,622 --> 02:00:52,728
and then Jason Mewes
gets really naked.
2628
02:00:52,762 --> 02:00:55,558
Jason Mewes goes full dick
out in that movie, man.
2629
02:00:55,593 --> 02:00:59,113
He shaved his
pubes into a heart.
2630
02:00:59,148 --> 02:01:02,565
I remember when I showed
the movie to Affleck.
2631
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:05,775
Nobody had ever said
this, entire time I'd
2632
02:01:05,810 --> 02:01:08,088
shown people the movie and
stuff, nobody ever noticed.
2633
02:01:08,122 --> 02:01:10,297
Soon as the movie's
done Affleck goes,
2634
02:01:10,332 --> 02:01:13,300
did Mewes shave a
heart into his pubes?
2635
02:01:13,335 --> 02:01:14,922
I was like you were looking.
2636
02:01:14,957 --> 02:01:17,442
You were looking awfully
close, weren't you?
2637
02:01:17,477 --> 02:01:20,445
- Anybody that read the,
"Fifty Shades of Grey," books,
2638
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:22,482
all the suburban
housewives, they were going
2639
02:01:22,516 --> 02:01:24,967
to the theater and
weren't expecting nudity?
2640
02:01:25,001 --> 02:01:26,209
Come on.
2641
02:01:26,244 --> 02:01:31,042
♪ I know if I'm onto you
you must be onto me ♪
2642
02:01:32,492 --> 02:01:36,496
- It's kind of funny because
the movie is so vanilla.
2643
02:01:36,530 --> 02:01:37,842
- You're a sadist?
2644
02:01:38,843 --> 02:01:40,327
- I'm a dominant.
2645
02:01:40,362 --> 02:01:41,708
- What does that mean?
2646
02:01:41,742 --> 02:01:44,193
- It means I want you to
willingly surrender yourself.
2647
02:01:44,227 --> 02:01:46,333
- I think filmmakers
keep the ratings in mind
2648
02:01:46,368 --> 02:01:48,508
all the time now because
they sign a contract
2649
02:01:48,542 --> 02:01:50,337
at the beginning
promising to deliver
2650
02:01:50,372 --> 02:01:54,237
a film rated R, or 13 or less.
2651
02:01:54,272 --> 02:01:58,311
- I will 100% stick up for,
"Fifty Shades of Grey."
2652
02:01:58,345 --> 02:02:00,209
There's a huge difference
between the way
2653
02:02:00,243 --> 02:02:02,522
Sam Taylor-johnson
shoots a sex scene,
2654
02:02:02,556 --> 02:02:05,697
and a lot of the '80s directors
would shoot a sex scene.
2655
02:02:05,732 --> 02:02:07,009
'80s directors are like,
2656
02:02:07,043 --> 02:02:09,149
here is the body,
isn't it beautiful?
2657
02:02:09,183 --> 02:02:12,186
And Sam Taylor-johnson says
here is a bit of fabric.
2658
02:02:12,221 --> 02:02:14,050
Do you want to imagine
what that would feel like?
2659
02:02:14,085 --> 02:02:15,880
She's asking you to
use your imagination
2660
02:02:15,914 --> 02:02:17,882
to bring yourself to the scene.
2661
02:02:17,916 --> 02:02:21,851
- They worked very
hard to suggest,
2662
02:02:21,886 --> 02:02:24,095
rather than show
a lot of graphics.
2663
02:02:24,129 --> 02:02:26,718
You'll see how they
did it very skillfully
2664
02:02:26,753 --> 02:02:29,583
without getting an NC-17 rating.
2665
02:02:29,618 --> 02:02:32,034
- It seems, in life and
in the film industry,
2666
02:02:32,068 --> 02:02:36,418
there's this correlation between
nudity and attractiveness.
2667
02:02:36,452 --> 02:02:38,730
You want to see the
attractive people naked.
2668
02:02:38,765 --> 02:02:43,494
But that pairing then leads to
2669
02:02:43,528 --> 02:02:46,842
bad consequences, such
that people are like well,
2670
02:02:46,876 --> 02:02:49,085
to be naked you have
to be attractive.
2671
02:02:49,120 --> 02:02:51,433
- Nudity isn't just
limited to the young,
2672
02:02:51,467 --> 02:02:53,435
or the perfectly proportioned.
2673
02:02:53,469 --> 02:02:55,126
You don't have to
be a perfect 10.
2674
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:57,577
- It's really nice being
in your 50s as an actress,
2675
02:02:57,611 --> 02:03:00,338
because nobody actually asks
you to get naked anymore.
2676
02:03:01,546 --> 02:03:02,651
Or very rarely.
2677
02:03:04,238 --> 02:03:06,965
Usually an actress
in their 50s doesn't
2678
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:08,933
really want to do a nude scene.
2679
02:03:08,967 --> 02:03:12,419
- When we see older actors
or actresses get naked
2680
02:03:12,454 --> 02:03:16,112
in an everyday setting, so
Kathy Bates in, "About Schmidt."
2681
02:03:16,147 --> 02:03:17,976
- And she did a movie
with Jack Nicholson,
2682
02:03:18,011 --> 02:03:21,394
who seems to bring the
sensuality out in older women.
2683
02:03:21,428 --> 02:03:23,154
And they get in the
hot tub together.
2684
02:03:23,188 --> 02:03:26,295
And Kathy Bates
strips off completely,
2685
02:03:26,329 --> 02:03:29,919
and climbs in a hot tub
with Jack Nicholson.
2686
02:03:29,954 --> 02:03:32,577
And you see her both
entering the hot tub,
2687
02:03:32,612 --> 02:03:34,130
and then sitting in
the hot tub with him,
2688
02:03:34,165 --> 02:03:36,961
which was kind of
surprising at the time.
2689
02:03:36,995 --> 02:03:38,272
- Oh, that's better.
2690
02:03:39,964 --> 02:03:42,242
Oh, what a night.
2691
02:03:42,276 --> 02:03:45,452
- The look on Jack
Nicholson's face, it's like,
2692
02:03:45,487 --> 02:03:48,628
the easiest read on that
is like, it's an ugly body.
2693
02:03:48,662 --> 02:03:51,734
But I think it was that feminine
power, and that confidence,
2694
02:03:51,769 --> 02:03:54,668
that women are supposed
to be somehow ashamed
2695
02:03:54,703 --> 02:03:56,463
of not having that perfect body.
2696
02:03:56,498 --> 02:03:58,465
And Kathy Bates like
look, this is me baby.
2697
02:03:58,500 --> 02:03:59,639
I'm in the tub with you.
2698
02:03:59,673 --> 02:04:01,434
I mean it was brilliant.
2699
02:04:01,468 --> 02:04:03,643
[calm music]
2700
02:04:03,677 --> 02:04:05,783
- Right now we're in a
very interesting time,
2701
02:04:05,817 --> 02:04:09,821
where people are very
aware of power dynamics.
2702
02:04:09,856 --> 02:04:13,204
- The destruction of the
accepted paradigm in Hollywood
2703
02:04:13,238 --> 02:04:16,483
in the last 18 months
has happened faster
2704
02:04:16,518 --> 02:04:19,831
than probably in the last 100
years of the movie business.
2705
02:04:19,866 --> 02:04:22,593
- Since Harvey Weinstein,
and the Me Too movement
2706
02:04:22,627 --> 02:04:26,113
got underway we've definitely
seen a lot more talk
2707
02:04:26,148 --> 02:04:29,392
about what can be done
to make actresses,
2708
02:04:29,427 --> 02:04:32,326
and occasionally actors, feel
more comfortable on a set.
2709
02:04:32,361 --> 02:04:36,883
- I am finding that I am
being hired more by studios.
2710
02:04:36,917 --> 02:04:38,401
And other intimacy
directors are being
2711
02:04:38,436 --> 02:04:40,507
hired more since
the Me Too movement.
2712
02:04:40,542 --> 02:04:43,648
- A filmmaker knows now if
I have nudity in my film
2713
02:04:43,683 --> 02:04:46,686
it will be absolutely cross
examined by the internet.
2714
02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:50,517
- None of us are
excited about why
2715
02:04:50,552 --> 02:04:52,864
we have come to the forefront.
2716
02:04:52,899 --> 02:04:55,867
We are all thrilled to
be part of the solution.
2717
02:04:55,902 --> 02:04:57,524
- So I need to make sure
I have a reason for it.
2718
02:04:57,559 --> 02:04:59,043
I need to justify it.
2719
02:04:59,077 --> 02:05:02,253
I can't just have cheap nudity
in this film for no reason.
2720
02:05:02,287 --> 02:05:04,358
- Everything's been
upended because
2721
02:05:04,393 --> 02:05:07,189
all of this
institutionalized sexism,
2722
02:05:07,223 --> 02:05:10,882
and harassment has
been coming to light.
2723
02:05:10,917 --> 02:05:12,746
- No, and I don't think
we ever want to get
2724
02:05:12,781 --> 02:05:17,164
in a situation where people
say we can't have nudity
2725
02:05:17,199 --> 02:05:20,582
in films or television
because it's too problematic.
2726
02:05:20,616 --> 02:05:22,100
That's a problem.
2727
02:05:22,135 --> 02:05:26,070
- And now there's more of a
system of checks and balances.
2728
02:05:26,104 --> 02:05:28,590
- You want people
to just sort of feel
2729
02:05:28,624 --> 02:05:32,076
like whatever they're
doing they signed up to do.
2730
02:05:32,110 --> 02:05:34,112
- I think that's
good, just in terms of
2731
02:05:34,147 --> 02:05:36,425
every artist should
be cross-examining
everything they do.
2732
02:05:36,459 --> 02:05:37,426
I think there were
a lot of boobs
2733
02:05:37,460 --> 02:05:39,083
that were not cross-examined.
2734
02:05:39,117 --> 02:05:41,741
- And I think things are
changing very quickly because,
2735
02:05:41,775 --> 02:05:43,915
again, there's just such a light
2736
02:05:43,950 --> 02:05:48,092
shone on Hollywood right
now, post Weinstein.
2737
02:05:48,126 --> 02:05:51,405
I don't think that executives
have a choice anymore.
2738
02:05:52,303 --> 02:05:54,857
[all talking at once]
2739
02:05:54,892 --> 02:05:57,308
[calm music]
2740
02:05:58,792 --> 02:06:02,624
- I was going towards the set
down a corridor in the studio.
2741
02:06:02,658 --> 02:06:05,316
And I see at the end
of the corridor Gielgud
2742
02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:08,699
came around running
down going [grunting]
2743
02:06:08,733 --> 02:06:10,942
Malcolm, oh Malcolm,
have you been on the set?
2744
02:06:10,977 --> 02:06:14,083
I said John, I'm just
going to the set.
2745
02:06:14,118 --> 02:06:17,431
He goes, I'd never seen so
much cock in all my life.
2746
02:06:17,466 --> 02:06:19,675
[laughing]
2747
02:06:20,814 --> 02:06:22,747
- I went back through
my resume on IMDB,
2748
02:06:24,197 --> 02:06:27,165
and I'm like starting at the
bottom, which was the '80s.
2749
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:30,928
Okay nude, nude, nude, nude,
nude, nude, not nude, nude.
2750
02:06:30,962 --> 02:06:32,101
I actually counted.
2751
02:06:32,136 --> 02:06:36,105
I did 35 nude scenes in films.
2752
02:06:36,140 --> 02:06:38,660
But I've done 185 movies.
2753
02:06:38,694 --> 02:06:41,145
- One of the strange things
about the rating board was,
2754
02:06:41,179 --> 02:06:43,526
what they never did, was
that after you came back
2755
02:06:43,561 --> 02:06:45,321
and showed them your new
version of the movie,
2756
02:06:45,356 --> 02:06:47,669
they never went to
see it in a theater.
2757
02:06:47,703 --> 02:06:52,294
So at Corman's we had a
practice of making the cuts
2758
02:06:53,536 --> 02:06:54,641
that they asked for,
showing them the print,
2759
02:06:54,676 --> 02:06:56,194
and then immediately
reinstating all the cuts
2760
02:06:56,229 --> 02:06:58,300
and sending the picture
out the drive-ins.
2761
02:06:58,334 --> 02:07:01,337
And almost all the movies
that came from New World
2762
02:07:01,372 --> 02:07:03,650
at that period that are rated R,
2763
02:07:03,685 --> 02:07:06,998
are pictures that
actually are X rated cuts.
2764
02:07:07,033 --> 02:07:09,035
- Barry Diller was
the head of ABC.
2765
02:07:09,069 --> 02:07:12,003
And he came over and talked
to me about "Picture Show",
2766
02:07:12,038 --> 02:07:14,143
said they wanted to
run it on the network.
2767
02:07:14,178 --> 02:07:16,836
And they had cut 11
minutes out of it.
2768
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:18,838
The scene with Cloris Leachman,
2769
02:07:18,872 --> 02:07:22,151
when Tim Bottoms and she
make love the first time.
2770
02:07:23,566 --> 02:07:25,776
I said as he starts to get
on her, go to a commercial.
2771
02:07:25,810 --> 02:07:28,537
And when you come out of
the commercial, he gets off.
2772
02:07:28,571 --> 02:07:31,678
And they did that, and
it was very funny to me.
2773
02:07:31,713 --> 02:07:33,715
Go to a commercial
while they're fucking.
2774
02:07:35,164 --> 02:07:38,202
- Larry Charles said go
through those black doors,
2775
02:07:38,236 --> 02:07:40,204
and the stage is in front of
you.
2776
02:07:40,238 --> 02:07:42,033
That's the direction we got.
2777
02:07:42,068 --> 02:07:46,831
When I ran I slipped and fell.
2778
02:07:46,866 --> 02:07:49,040
And therefore he
fell on top of me.
2779
02:07:49,075 --> 02:07:51,733
Because the one
thing we didn't do
2780
02:07:51,767 --> 02:07:53,700
is prepare for afterwards.
2781
02:07:53,735 --> 02:07:57,221
Two detectives from
the actual hotel,
2782
02:07:57,255 --> 02:08:01,156
came and took me out,
and he said to me,
2783
02:08:01,190 --> 02:08:04,711
when we get to the end of the
steps get into the blue van.
2784
02:08:04,746 --> 02:08:07,231
I mean this guy's
taking me to jail.
2785
02:08:07,265 --> 02:08:09,751
Yeah, I don't know what
they did with Sacha.
2786
02:08:09,785 --> 02:08:12,892
But nobody thought about me
I was sitting there freezing.
2787
02:08:12,926 --> 02:08:16,585
There's nothing in the van
to cover yourself with.
2788
02:08:16,619 --> 02:08:21,624
There was no contingencies
made previously
2789
02:08:22,764 --> 02:08:25,249
to any concerns
about being arrested.
2790
02:08:25,283 --> 02:08:29,287
They were all made
[hands clap] on the spot.
2791
02:08:29,322 --> 02:08:33,015
- Did you see a film called,
"Blue is the Warmest Color?"
2792
02:08:33,050 --> 02:08:36,398
I saw that movie and I
was like, I was shocked
2793
02:08:36,432 --> 02:08:38,918
because I was watching
these two women go at it,
2794
02:08:38,952 --> 02:08:42,266
spacking each other, and
they scissoring each other,
2795
02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:44,958
and all this kind of stuff,
and I was like holy cow.
2796
02:08:44,993 --> 02:08:46,753
Now there's a movie
I could never do.
2797
02:08:46,788 --> 02:08:50,101
- I did a movie called,
"The Naked Monster."
2798
02:08:50,136 --> 02:08:54,140
And they decided to
add in a gratuitous
2799
02:08:54,174 --> 02:08:57,419
shower scene, but
it was satirical.
2800
02:08:57,453 --> 02:09:01,457
So my character Nicky, the
narrator says, suddenly Nicky
2801
02:09:01,492 --> 02:09:05,151
felt compelled to shower
for no reason at all.
2802
02:09:05,185 --> 02:09:07,670
And I'm like looking at
the camera going what?
2803
02:09:08,810 --> 02:09:10,673
And I'm like you,
get out of here.
2804
02:09:11,605 --> 02:09:14,332
- So shooting in
the actual house
2805
02:09:14,367 --> 02:09:16,956
that Dorothy was murdered in,
2806
02:09:16,990 --> 02:09:20,683
and where Eric Robert
committed suicide in,
2807
02:09:20,718 --> 02:09:24,135
meant it gave it
more of a texture.
2808
02:09:24,170 --> 02:09:27,932
- And the day before we
shot the murder scene
2809
02:09:27,967 --> 02:09:30,314
in the actual place
where it took place
2810
02:09:30,348 --> 02:09:34,076
Bob Fosse and I spent the
night there at his request.
2811
02:09:34,111 --> 02:09:37,114
And I'm asking him while
we're lying there.
2812
02:09:39,461 --> 02:09:40,634
I'm in the bedroom,
he's in the living room,
2813
02:09:40,669 --> 02:09:43,154
and I said why
are we doing this?
2814
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:45,778
He said because I
want to, shut up.
2815
02:09:45,812 --> 02:09:48,366
- Filming in that
house was horrible.
2816
02:09:48,401 --> 02:09:50,023
Nobody made me spend
the night there.
2817
02:09:50,058 --> 02:09:52,992
I would've, I
couldn't have done it.
2818
02:09:53,026 --> 02:09:56,271
- It was freaking me out, I
got maybe three hours sleep.
2819
02:09:56,305 --> 02:09:58,135
But I think that's
what he wanted.
2820
02:09:58,169 --> 02:10:02,208
He wanted me on, he
wanted me uncomfortable.
2821
02:10:04,210 --> 02:10:05,521
He did a good job.
2822
02:10:05,556 --> 02:10:06,833
He wanted me uncomfortable.
2823
02:10:06,868 --> 02:10:09,318
[calm music]
2824
02:10:10,906 --> 02:10:13,598
[loud stomping]
2825
02:10:18,396 --> 02:10:21,399
[elephant trumpets]
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