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It's an energy thing.
It moves around a lot.
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The process of identification
is I'm right there with you.
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In the height of the moment,
I say, "Assassin."
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Because that's what I feel like.
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I'm locked in,
I got my sights on you,
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and I'm gonna take you out.
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Early on,
I tapped in to that instinct,
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and that's where I want
to go every time.
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I want that feeling.
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'Cause I'm just after
that one thing.
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I'm not after your soul.
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I'm after your fucking aura.
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Four-one-six, I need
a notification to Bellevue.
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I have a male patient
in his 40s, Mick Rock.
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Robert Oscar Charlie King.
Patient is conscious.
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Rule out acute M.I.
Vital signs 140/80...
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People often ask about,
you know,
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"When you nearly died, Mick,
do you regret?"
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I mean, technically, you know,
on a karmic level,
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I kind of regret
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that I got myself
into that state,
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but the other part of me says,
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"Could it have been
any different?"
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And every time I ask myself
that question, I say, "No."
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Mick! Mick! Mick!
Mick! Mick! Mick!
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I don't want to get
too mystical about it,
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but I do believe
that everybody has a destiny,
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but that not everybody
grasps that destiny.
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Mine was pretty clear
when I look back,
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and especially in the
fucking name, Mick Rock.
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Is that your real name?
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It is Michael David Rock.
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That was your dad's name?
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Rock was his name, yeah.
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It was just good timing,
wasn't it, really?
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Photographer,
Mick Rock, joins us.
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His photos make up
a large part of David Bowie...
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I just followed my
instincts. I knew what I liked.
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I was drawn, you know,
to the good,
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the bad, and the wicked.
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I've lived a very wild life
because, you know,
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I've been hanging out
with a lot of very wild people.
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And the camera just kind of
led me by the nose almost,
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and I never looked back.
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Just kept going
and going and going.
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- Legendary Mick Rock.
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This is just, I mean, come on.
Freddie Mercury and Queen.
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- There it is, Lou Reed, my man.
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I learned a lot from Lou, yeah.
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Absolutely, yeah.
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Not all my best habits,
I might add.
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I always knew
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that this was the life
I was meant to live.
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I just had to, you know,
make sure
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in the final analysis that
it made some kind of sense.
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Yeah, I came back here
in my dreams.
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I even teleported once or twice
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in a certain state
of psychedelic inebriation.
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Yeah, this place
gets into your skull.
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No doubt about it.
It's a beautiful place.
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In this environment,
you could be in any century.
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I think that enabled
my imagination to run,
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shall we say,
a little frantically.
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My mother fueled
a certain insecurity in me
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that the only way
I could get an identity
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was to get into Cambridge.
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It wasn't easy to do for someone
born of extremely modest means.
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It did teach me something
about projection.
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If you project
strongly enough,
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and I sometimes
in my early days, you think,
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"Well, I got there
'cause my mother projected it."
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That's where I got my head
fuller with all these,
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you know, great poets,
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zoomed out of their brains,
coming up with great art.
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The symbolist poets.
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The English Romantics.
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And, of course,
the American Beat poets.
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Arthur Rimbaud was, like,
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the ultimate realization
of the symbolist poet.
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He would go, like,
for several days
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without food and sleep
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and then he'd whack a little bit
of chemical inside himself.
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He worked in a purely
associative way.
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The idea,
the idea of these people
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and the idea
of the kind of lives they led
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started to confirm
my suspicions that,
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indeed, there was...
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There was
a more interesting life
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than the one
I'd had as a child.
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It wasn't a bad life.
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The lysergic experience
opened up my third eye,
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you might say.
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I remember the first time
I went up to see this guy.
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He was an artist.
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He had a bottle of the
liquid stuff with a dropper.
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And he got out
the blotting paper.
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He couldn't have known
how strong,
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but this stuff, I remember.
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Once it kicked in,
the entire universe,
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like, rushed through my body.
I saw everything, everything.
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It definitely, I mean,
intensified all the colors,
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intensified the frame.
It intensified everything.
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The altered state was
something that was there.
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I mean,
it had become part of me.
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The yoga fortified.
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The practices of Yogi Bhajan
enabled access.
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You know, you could be
in a non-chemical state
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and you could still start
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to get traces
of this perception.
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And then when
you combine the two,
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of course, whoopsie daisy.
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Photography wandered idly
into my life.
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There was a chemical experience.
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The chemical overload.
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Well, I got the excitement
of the...
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Every time I pressed
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that shutter,
it was like an explosion.
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It looked different
every time I clicked it.
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So, there was this world
of entertainment in the camera.
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And then about three days later,
I was back in my friend's room
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and I saw the camera,
'cause it was his, not mine.
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And I said to him,
"Oh, I think I, you know,
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shot some film the other night.
I bet that's interesting."
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Apparently, there was
nothing in the camera.
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But still,
that's when this word,
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you know,
you can put it in quotes,
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"magic" started
to get into my mind.
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'67,
that's the summer of love.
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And here I am,
you know, Fanny Golightly.
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I had a habit of staring
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at friends' faces
under certain circumstances
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'cause you could see
the whole of the universe
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since the beginning of time.
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It would revolve and roll.
I remember that so vividly.
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I would take pictures
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of lady friends
or girlfriends of friends,
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and it wasn't that long,
and somebody offered me
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a fiver to take photos
of a local band,
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and my brain went clunk.
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Hello, hello, hello.
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In the beginning was Syd.
Psychedelic Syd.
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Like nothing
I'd ever seen before.
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In fact, like nothing,
really, anyone in England,
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certainly, had ever seen before.
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Had a band called Pink Floyd.
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Syd had actually
left Pink Floyd
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and was living in
relative obscurity.
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He asked me to take the cover
photo for his solo album,
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The Madcap Laughs.
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I didn't really have any plans.
It was simply to shoot El Syd.
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And Iggy opened the door
in the all together.
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All together, now, Miss Iggy.
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She was holding company
with Syd.
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But, of course,
the gift was the floorboards.
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He had moved in
not long beforehand
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and he was painting
the floorboards.
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He used to paint over all the...
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I mean, there were
dog-ends buried in there.
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He didn't clean the floors
before he slapped the paint on.
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I only had daylight film,
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and that had
to be push processed.
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That's why they have this kind
of painterly look about them,
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because technically,
they're fucked.
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See, that should really have
been the cover
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of Madcap Laughs.
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See the crop?
That's what me and Syd wanted.
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I saw him like a soft poet.
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Like a Baudelaire or Rimbaud
or these characters
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that I'd been studying
at Cambridge.
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Not long before
those sessions,
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I took a fucking
acid trip with Syd.
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Just me and Syd,
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listening to music,
lot of laughing about.
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I remember he'd roll around.
He'd piss his knickers.
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Syd Barrett on acid,
he's such a gentle soul.
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I was an outsider with this
little group of hip characters,
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and you'd spend all your time
with these people
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who wouldn't hang out
with anybody that wasn't.
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So, that feeling of being
outside was also a warm feeling
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'cause you're inside this
other little cocoon
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of like-minded people.
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Very strange how it
all turned out,
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though, you know?
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Syd in the garden.
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Syd was out of London,
was living in Cambridge,
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when I was starting
to write little bits
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and pieces
for different magazines,
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and this I actually did
for Rolling Stone Magazine.
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Syd lost interest.
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He never did another
photo session,
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he never did another interview.
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He actually said
all he ever wanted to do
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as a kid was jump around
and play the guitar,
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but he couldn't
get there anymore.
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The tickets available
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for tonight's performance
are in the box office.
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The box office is
in the front foyer
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on the right-hand side.
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So, it was Marc Bolan
of T. Rex who first popped up
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with the makeup
and the Vaudevillian clothes.
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However, something more
fascinating was looming.
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It was also very unlikely
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the carrot-colored hair-do
and the jumpsuit,
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the red plastic boots
and the mismatched eyeballs,
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no seasoned betting man
would've backed this one.
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But I knew what I liked,
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and that was enough
to make the first move.
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And I remember the night
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I peeked around
his dressing-room door.
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"I like your name.
It can't be real," he told me.
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There and then,
he invited me back to his house
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and we stayed up all night
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and talked about
all kinds of things.
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There was a certain awareness
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of being with that level
of intelligence in the room.
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You know,
the pictures got elevated.
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They acquired
this other quality.
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I remember taking them up
to David's office.
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His manager said,
"David says that you see him
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the way he sees himself."
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It was a Friday night,
I do believe.
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Oxford Town Hall.
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It's his biggest
audience to date.
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People were starting
to notice him.
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The encore was coming,
and I ran 'round.
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I had been up front.
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You can see that from some
of the other pictures
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on the contact sheet.
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I was just on the side
of the stage.
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David hadn't announced to me,
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that he was gonna do
anything in particular.
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I don't think
he did with anybody.
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But what he was planning to do
was simply bite Mick's guitar.
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He said to me, "Did you get it?
Did you get it?"
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The timing couldn't
have been better
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'cause it was as the closets
were opening up
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and, you know,
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there was David
chomping away on Mick's rod.
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That was a big deal,
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in terms of a bigger audience
for my personal work.
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People started asking
who took it.
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I hadn't done a lot of
performance photography
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until David came along.
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And actually, you look at the
early pictures I did of David,
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and you can see there's a
certain looseness that later on,
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you know, I could get
great shapes in the shot.
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We were engaging
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in a certain amount
of propaganda,
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and I was a true believer.
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I mean, this moment in time,
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he did not need bodyguards.
254
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It was all designed
to give people the idea,
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"Who's this guy?
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We don't know who he is,
but he's got these bodyguards
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and a personal photographer.
He must be a big deal."
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He had a mission,
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which he spelled out
to me very early on.
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Ziggy Stardust, as an album,
is all about stardom.
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I mean,
he's had this whiff of it,
262
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but he's not a star.
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When the album is made,
the album made him a star.
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Let me put
my best damn knickers on.
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00:23:21,668 --> 00:23:23,903
I remember talking to
Terry O'Neill about this once.
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We both did a radio show
a few years ago,
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and he said he never
really hung out
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with the people he photographed.
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I was kind of like,
you know...
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Especially in these early years,
but that's how it all grew.
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I don't think they felt
that I was an outsider.
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- I was part of the fabric.
273
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I was celebrating,
and I think they all knew that.
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So, I was a natural, organic,
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you know, Joseph Goebbels
for the piece and the time.
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And I came very cheap.
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This must've been shot in 1973.
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I suppose minimalistic would
be an inadequate description,
279
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but, of course,
I was particularly lucky,
280
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as I was often,
especially in those days,
281
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to have this amazing subject.
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I mean, what is he, you know?
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Whatever it was, he gave off
a certain kind of awareness,
284
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and I fed off it.
285
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I was open to it.
286
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It was the encore,
287
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and David had
already been playing
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"I'm Waiting for My Man"
and "White Light / White Heat."
289
00:26:34,126 --> 00:26:37,329
Anyway, come the encore,
up popped Lou.
290
00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:39,932
For whatever reason,
I was near the back.
291
00:26:40,867 --> 00:26:42,735
I didn't get
any close shots of them.
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Perhaps I'd gone out
for a piss or something.
293
00:26:44,871 --> 00:26:45,872
I don't know.
294
00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:52,111
I remember noticing even
though it was David's concert
295
00:26:52,144 --> 00:26:54,413
and Lou had come on
for the encore,
296
00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:58,751
David left Lou alone.
He did not go to Lou's mike.
297
00:26:58,785 --> 00:27:00,820
He treated him
with great deference.
298
00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:05,257
I always saw them symbolically,
the light and the dark.
299
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They had a certain symbiosis.
300
00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:17,670
New York,
The Velvet Underground,
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00:27:17,704 --> 00:27:20,139
decadence, drugs, kinky sex.
302
00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:27,947
This photograph, for
whatever reason, reflects that.
303
00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:32,785
A cold shiver went up me spine
when he hit the stage.
304
00:27:33,085 --> 00:27:36,088
He was sporting
this huge Gibson guitar,
305
00:27:36,322 --> 00:27:38,758
and the makeup, the white face
306
00:27:38,791 --> 00:27:41,327
and all the darkness
around the eyes.
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00:27:47,066 --> 00:27:49,168
He could tell even
from this contact sheet
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00:27:49,201 --> 00:27:50,803
that there was something
about that.
309
00:27:51,337 --> 00:27:54,440
And then I made the prints,
and that's, "Ah."
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00:27:54,473 --> 00:27:56,308
That was the coup de grâce
311
00:27:56,342 --> 00:27:58,344
when it fell out of focus
in the printing.
312
00:28:00,346 --> 00:28:01,948
Bingo, there's the cover.
313
00:28:04,951 --> 00:28:06,318
It's a performance image,
314
00:28:06,352 --> 00:28:07,954
but a lot of people
don't realize that
315
00:28:07,987 --> 00:28:09,221
because it's so still,
316
00:28:09,822 --> 00:28:11,758
as indeed is
the Raw Power cover.
317
00:28:11,958 --> 00:28:14,026
To me, they're a pair.
Same place.
318
00:28:14,493 --> 00:28:16,262
The Americans in the mix.
319
00:28:26,238 --> 00:28:27,706
Woo!
320
00:28:32,879 --> 00:28:34,413
He looked like
a fucking iguana.
321
00:28:35,281 --> 00:28:38,284
That worked because the way
the light and the whole thing,
322
00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:42,822
the motherfucker has
the stillness of an iguana.
323
00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:48,895
Where's the bugger?
That one.
324
00:28:48,928 --> 00:28:50,462
That one and
the Raw Power cover.
325
00:28:51,163 --> 00:28:54,500
Rock 'n' roll,
nailed every centimeter of it
326
00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:57,103
in that one shot.
If that ain't rock 'n' roll,
327
00:28:57,136 --> 00:28:58,838
then rock 'n' roll
was a wank job.
328
00:29:02,474 --> 00:29:04,376
"I wanna be
your motherfucking dog."
329
00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:07,346
"I wanna be your dog."
He would sing.
330
00:29:07,947 --> 00:29:09,916
I mean, it was
a complete revolution,
331
00:29:09,949 --> 00:29:11,317
and most people ignored it.
332
00:29:20,092 --> 00:29:22,028
The way the audience was,
they were sitting,
333
00:29:22,361 --> 00:29:24,296
which as I look back,
that's really weird.
334
00:29:24,563 --> 00:29:25,932
He walked into the audience,
335
00:29:27,399 --> 00:29:28,935
but there was no way he could
really jump into the audience.
336
00:29:31,570 --> 00:29:33,372
I felt like a big-game hunter.
337
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,542
I mean, I was so glued,
you know, to the viewer,
338
00:29:36,575 --> 00:29:39,045
and fucking you just keep at it.
339
00:29:45,217 --> 00:29:49,355
I could get a fixation
developed very early in me
340
00:29:49,388 --> 00:29:51,523
that, you know, fixation thing.
341
00:29:52,458 --> 00:29:54,126
The thing that nearly killed me.
342
00:30:10,076 --> 00:30:14,113
I saw all those characters.
They were always mythological.
343
00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:15,514
They're always, like, shimrons.
344
00:30:16,215 --> 00:30:19,518
Syd Barrett was a shimron,
Bowie, Iggy, Lou.
345
00:30:20,286 --> 00:30:21,487
They were almost not human.
346
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,089
They were almost like something
347
00:30:23,122 --> 00:30:24,590
that come out
of the woodlands, you know?
348
00:30:24,623 --> 00:30:28,360
Something...
They were magical to me.
349
00:31:23,415 --> 00:31:24,350
He wanted it.
350
00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:26,052
He was talking
about the stardom.
351
00:31:26,085 --> 00:31:28,520
Like my mother,
I'd seen the projecting,
352
00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:30,356
and somehow it had worked.
353
00:31:30,957 --> 00:31:33,292
Mother projected me
to Cambridge, though.
354
00:31:34,426 --> 00:31:36,262
These...
355
00:31:36,295 --> 00:31:39,031
...powers of concentration,
I mean, who are you?
356
00:31:39,365 --> 00:31:41,300
Really, who am I?
Who am I?
357
00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:43,235
Ashes to ashes,
dust to dust.
358
00:31:43,469 --> 00:31:45,904
But for a while,
I'm this Mick Rock character.
359
00:31:53,712 --> 00:31:55,481
I was so enamored...
360
00:31:56,248 --> 00:31:59,618
So enamored of these auras
and the way I saw these people,
361
00:32:00,452 --> 00:32:01,920
and that was so strong.
362
00:32:02,188 --> 00:32:03,322
And you look at
the pictures, you go,
363
00:32:03,355 --> 00:32:04,590
"For somebody who didn't have
a particularly
364
00:32:04,623 --> 00:32:07,593
well-developed personality,
they are very strong."
365
00:32:08,327 --> 00:32:10,262
It was just something about
when I got the camera,
366
00:32:10,462 --> 00:32:12,498
something else,
some other trick happened.
367
00:32:13,132 --> 00:32:16,668
You know, it's almost just
using me as a conduit.
368
00:33:05,651 --> 00:33:07,486
It was a mixture
of all these things,
369
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,388
whether it's Oscar Wilde
or Clockwork Orange
370
00:33:09,421 --> 00:33:13,292
or the theater or Beethoven
or all these...
371
00:33:13,325 --> 00:33:15,261
...whatever.
372
00:33:17,529 --> 00:33:20,532
This was, like,
the advancing avant-garde,
373
00:33:21,267 --> 00:33:23,135
the new, vitalia,
374
00:33:23,435 --> 00:33:25,504
and a little bit
of drag thrown in.
375
00:33:25,537 --> 00:33:27,706
I mean, you could never beat
a bit of drag.
376
00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:33,779
It's so many different things,
377
00:33:33,812 --> 00:33:35,081
but when they merge
them together,
378
00:33:36,148 --> 00:33:38,450
it has a certain ring,
and it is an interesting,
379
00:33:38,484 --> 00:33:41,053
good-looking,
you know, clang.
380
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,261
When I came across
these characters,
381
00:33:49,295 --> 00:33:52,398
my own identity
was only quite fragile.
382
00:33:52,431 --> 00:33:54,133
I guess I had this
little Mick Rock thing,
383
00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:55,534
and rock 'n' roll was...
384
00:33:55,567 --> 00:33:58,470
...you know, pumping.
And whatever.
385
00:33:58,504 --> 00:34:02,141
I looked the right way
for the times, you know.
386
00:34:02,174 --> 00:34:05,611
Spindly and long hair.
Spindly, long hair, tight jeans.
387
00:34:12,118 --> 00:34:14,286
I did wear lip gloss.
388
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,055
There are pictures
of me with rouge on.
389
00:34:17,223 --> 00:34:18,324
Yeah, you know...
390
00:34:18,857 --> 00:34:20,492
Like a boy would
in those days.
391
00:34:20,526 --> 00:34:21,793
Just feminize himself.
392
00:34:25,197 --> 00:34:26,765
Biba's was the place
393
00:34:26,798 --> 00:34:29,067
if you were young
and pretty and hip,
394
00:34:29,401 --> 00:34:31,570
and I was like
the in-house photographer.
395
00:34:35,807 --> 00:34:38,210
Look at David, like a big girl.
396
00:34:39,145 --> 00:34:41,079
Bryan Ferry
and Amanda Lear.
397
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,549
He was rock 'n' roll,
but it was smooth.
398
00:34:43,882 --> 00:34:45,717
Roxy Music.
Of course, they were around.
399
00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:51,457
The rockers were
the most obvious manifestation
400
00:34:51,490 --> 00:34:53,359
of the glam sensibility
and the people
401
00:34:53,392 --> 00:34:56,195
who most readily
understood its publicity value.
402
00:34:56,228 --> 00:34:59,665
Even more seasoned performers
such as Mick Jagger, Elton John,
403
00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:02,834
and Rod Stewart adapted
to the allure of glam.
404
00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:14,646
Just a great time to be young
405
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,217
and to be in what people saw
as the edge of the culture.
406
00:35:21,287 --> 00:35:23,555
And I was like
a big dog, you know?
407
00:35:24,523 --> 00:35:26,758
Gnawing away right on that edge.
408
00:35:42,408 --> 00:35:43,775
When I was born,
409
00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:46,144
Mick Rock wouldn't
have meant anything.
410
00:35:47,446 --> 00:35:50,582
I think the name
infiltrated into my psyche
411
00:35:50,616 --> 00:35:53,485
and, like,
tuned it in a certain way.
412
00:35:54,586 --> 00:35:55,721
'Cause it is a bit like
413
00:35:55,754 --> 00:35:57,789
if you wanted
a rock-'n'-roll photographer,
414
00:35:57,823 --> 00:36:00,192
what would you call it?
You'd call him Mick Rock
415
00:36:00,226 --> 00:36:02,728
and he'd probably be about 6'
and he'd probably be English.
416
00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:07,233
If you wanted a stereotype,
you know?
417
00:36:49,541 --> 00:36:50,976
There's prints back here,
there's prints
418
00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:54,212
and there's also books, boxes,
fuck knows what.
419
00:36:55,347 --> 00:36:56,982
I'm not sure if there's
any Bowie there or not.
420
00:36:57,015 --> 00:36:58,250
There might be.
421
00:36:59,184 --> 00:37:01,820
Oh, it's like it's never ending.
422
00:37:02,388 --> 00:37:04,523
I don't think this went
into production.
423
00:37:04,923 --> 00:37:06,892
Well, I don't know.
It's a bit kitschy.
424
00:37:08,294 --> 00:37:10,862
That's the only thing with
photographs, they do hang about.
425
00:37:10,896 --> 00:37:12,831
The bastard things, you know?
426
00:37:13,932 --> 00:37:17,703
I've got the main contenders,
including Rocky Horror.
427
00:37:18,937 --> 00:37:21,673
I am the king of
the glam-rock photographers.
428
00:37:23,775 --> 00:37:27,679
Oh, Marianne, look.
Looking very chaste.
429
00:37:27,913 --> 00:37:29,948
The butter wouldn't melt
in her mouth.
430
00:37:31,383 --> 00:37:32,584
Patti LaBelle.
431
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:35,554
Mott The Hoople.
432
00:37:36,588 --> 00:37:37,789
John Cale.
433
00:37:40,091 --> 00:37:41,393
Thin Lizzy.
434
00:37:42,761 --> 00:37:46,665
He told me he killed somebody.
I don't fucking think so, Phil.
435
00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:51,370
I love these reverse Mohicans.
Very original, Peter.
436
00:37:51,403 --> 00:37:53,639
I'm not taking you home
to meet Mother, though.
437
00:37:53,672 --> 00:37:55,273
Not looking like that,
you can't.
438
00:37:59,811 --> 00:38:02,548
Look what I shot
in the summer of '72.
439
00:38:02,881 --> 00:38:04,816
It's Jerry Garcia.
440
00:38:10,356 --> 00:38:12,057
It was not that
I got bored easily,
441
00:38:12,090 --> 00:38:16,428
but I was just
infinitely curious, you know?
442
00:38:23,502 --> 00:38:25,437
Do you give a damn
who Trickster are?
443
00:38:25,771 --> 00:38:27,539
I mean, they had
their moment in time,
444
00:38:27,573 --> 00:38:29,074
but I can't remember
what it was.
445
00:38:29,107 --> 00:38:29,875
The Strawbs.
446
00:38:30,576 --> 00:38:31,443
Certain images, whether it be
447
00:38:31,477 --> 00:38:33,111
all those characters
or Rocky Horror
448
00:38:33,144 --> 00:38:36,748
or whatever,
have a big cache nowadays.
449
00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:38,316
Skin Alley.
450
00:38:38,850 --> 00:38:40,318
You know...
451
00:38:40,886 --> 00:38:41,787
Soiree.
452
00:38:42,488 --> 00:38:44,690
And I couldn't have
survived on the money
453
00:38:44,723 --> 00:38:46,758
that I was making
at that time.
454
00:38:47,526 --> 00:38:50,529
I mean, Transformer got £100.
455
00:38:51,062 --> 00:38:52,197
And how about this?
456
00:38:53,031 --> 00:38:57,636
I know it doesn't look very moi,
but it is. "Highway."
457
00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:59,037
Yeah, look at that.
458
00:39:00,739 --> 00:39:02,408
"What's that all about, Mick?"
459
00:39:03,074 --> 00:39:05,977
I don't think I had a fucking
clue where I was going,
460
00:39:06,011 --> 00:39:08,514
but I was gonna be
going there anyway, you know?
461
00:39:08,547 --> 00:39:10,882
I was heading
straight down the line.
462
00:39:10,916 --> 00:39:12,784
You go, "Well, where the fuck
are you going, Mick?"
463
00:39:12,818 --> 00:39:14,720
"I'm going in that direction."
464
00:39:14,753 --> 00:39:17,689
It's moving at a hell of a lick,
you know?
465
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:26,031
But that Freddie picture, right?
I mean, I look at it.
466
00:39:26,064 --> 00:39:28,366
He looks like he's
on his way to bloody Heaven.
467
00:39:38,176 --> 00:39:40,812
But they approached me,
you know?
468
00:39:40,846 --> 00:39:43,014
Mick Rock, 'cause he's
taking pictures
469
00:39:43,048 --> 00:39:44,249
of famous puffs, you know?
470
00:39:44,282 --> 00:39:47,118
I mean, they wanted to look
the fucking part.
471
00:39:50,689 --> 00:39:52,190
They got this first album out.
472
00:39:52,223 --> 00:39:53,959
Nothing much is
happening with it.
473
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:57,095
They wanted the glam-rock image.
474
00:40:07,706 --> 00:40:09,908
I had a friend
who had a collection
475
00:40:09,941 --> 00:40:11,543
of old Hollywood stills.
476
00:40:12,878 --> 00:40:14,045
I think it was the cover shot,
477
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,814
but it might've been
from the same movie,
478
00:40:15,847 --> 00:40:17,215
Shanghai Express.
479
00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:20,786
He had a little book
about Marlene Dietrich's films,
480
00:40:20,819 --> 00:40:25,023
and inside was the shot
that did inspire.
481
00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:29,495
My brain just went...
482
00:40:29,761 --> 00:40:31,763
And I showed it
to Freddie and it was...
483
00:40:32,998 --> 00:40:34,700
It was an instant sell.
484
00:40:34,733 --> 00:40:36,668
Freddie Mercury, you can,
485
00:40:36,702 --> 00:40:38,704
as it were,
be Marlene Dietrich.
486
00:40:40,138 --> 00:40:43,074
Of course,
she was a total professional
487
00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:44,943
and basically could
light herself.
488
00:40:44,976 --> 00:40:47,012
These guys,
it's only the second time
489
00:40:47,045 --> 00:40:49,080
they'd ever been in
a photographic studio,
490
00:40:49,114 --> 00:40:51,550
and they were in
and out of that mirror.
491
00:40:51,583 --> 00:40:54,019
There were up and... I was up
and down this bloody ladder.
492
00:40:54,586 --> 00:40:59,591
You can see from these Polaroids
the development of that shot.
493
00:41:04,295 --> 00:41:07,132
I don't know if I was super
nervous about it or whatever.
494
00:41:07,165 --> 00:41:09,000
I did not let go.
495
00:41:27,185 --> 00:41:29,988
Freddie was the one
I communicated with most,
496
00:41:30,021 --> 00:41:31,122
'cause he... I don't know.
497
00:41:31,156 --> 00:41:34,560
He was camp and he was,
like... He was the visionary.
498
00:41:36,227 --> 00:41:38,897
As Roger said about Freddie,
I mean, he would,
499
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:40,866
even when he didn't
have a pot to piss in,
500
00:41:40,899 --> 00:41:42,167
he was crashing on your floor,
501
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,204
he'd walk in acting like
he was doing you a favor.
502
00:41:47,172 --> 00:41:51,509
Oh, he was already playing
in coliseums in his mind.
503
00:41:57,082 --> 00:41:58,684
We showed it to the band
and they said,
504
00:41:58,717 --> 00:42:00,051
"Fine, we'll do it,
505
00:42:00,085 --> 00:42:02,020
but we're also gonna
shoot this white shot."
506
00:42:02,053 --> 00:42:04,890
See, look.
Album gatefold, would've been.
507
00:42:04,923 --> 00:42:07,292
And ended up being
the middle of it anyway.
508
00:42:07,325 --> 00:42:08,827
So these... They were like,
509
00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:10,696
"Mm, I think
maybe the white one."
510
00:42:11,196 --> 00:42:12,731
Of course it would've
looked like...
511
00:42:13,799 --> 00:42:15,867
"Santa Claus is Coming to Town".
512
00:42:46,097 --> 00:42:47,265
Love the hair.
513
00:42:48,166 --> 00:42:49,735
Fucking fantastic.
514
00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:52,971
You can be a swan.
515
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,676
It's like...
It's like picking cherries.
516
00:43:00,879 --> 00:43:03,214
The thing is, photography's
just not complicated.
517
00:43:03,248 --> 00:43:05,984
I mean, you can make it
complicated if you want,
518
00:43:06,284 --> 00:43:10,088
but where I'm coming from,
it certainly doesn't have to be.
519
00:43:10,121 --> 00:43:14,926
I do remember early on reading
something by Horst.
520
00:43:16,762 --> 00:43:20,031
He said he didn't understand
modern photographers
521
00:43:20,398 --> 00:43:22,868
and how complicated
they made the lighting,
522
00:43:22,901 --> 00:43:25,837
'cause he basically
had one light
523
00:43:25,871 --> 00:43:27,939
and he moved it around
till he saw what he liked.
524
00:43:28,273 --> 00:43:31,877
And I thought, "Uh... Yes,
that's about me," you know.
525
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:33,779
And why it's doing it,
I don't give a shit.
526
00:43:33,812 --> 00:43:37,148
I want the pictures.
I don't care about the why's.
527
00:43:41,286 --> 00:43:44,790
I get to a session, make sure
everything's in place,
528
00:43:44,823 --> 00:43:46,725
then I fuck off
for half an hour.
529
00:43:48,093 --> 00:43:50,395
There's a lot
of power breathing,
530
00:43:50,428 --> 00:43:53,932
which is a Kundalini Yoga thing.
Playing around with mantras.
531
00:43:53,965 --> 00:43:56,167
And the brain machine...
532
00:43:56,201 --> 00:43:59,771
...that brings me
right down focused, opens me up.
533
00:44:00,772 --> 00:44:03,641
It's like a meditation
so your brain gets cleared out
534
00:44:03,909 --> 00:44:06,644
so that the impressions
can be fresh.
535
00:44:10,081 --> 00:44:13,118
It's important for me,
this body connection,
536
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,054
that I can almost take
photographs with my stomach.
537
00:44:16,321 --> 00:44:17,889
Stomach and the eyeball
were like...
538
00:44:17,923 --> 00:44:19,224
...locked in.
539
00:44:19,257 --> 00:44:20,992
They bypass the rest of me.
540
00:44:26,397 --> 00:44:28,299
I don't think
I've ever done a session
541
00:44:28,333 --> 00:44:31,336
without standing on my head
beforehand for a bunch of time.
542
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:34,973
I've been doing that since,
um...
543
00:44:36,074 --> 00:44:38,243
...1970.
544
00:44:43,248 --> 00:44:44,816
- Ah.
545
00:44:46,417 --> 00:44:49,387
Let's get the long goodbye.
546
00:44:49,821 --> 00:44:51,256
- Yeah. Ah.
547
00:44:51,289 --> 00:44:53,759
Ah, sa, sa. Ah, sa, sa.
548
00:44:54,092 --> 00:44:56,194
I mean, the name alone
was enough to get me stimulated.
549
00:44:56,227 --> 00:44:58,263
Stanislavski?
Who's this motherfucker?
550
00:44:58,496 --> 00:45:01,366
And then you find out
he's the grandfather of the,
551
00:45:01,833 --> 00:45:03,368
you know,
the method school of acting.
552
00:45:05,837 --> 00:45:09,074
But one thing he talked
about was going into a raw space
553
00:45:09,107 --> 00:45:11,142
with a bunch of people
and building
554
00:45:11,176 --> 00:45:15,113
the circle of concentration
till at a certain point,
555
00:45:15,847 --> 00:45:17,348
you know,
it kind of takes off.
556
00:45:17,382 --> 00:45:20,051
It takes on its own energy.
557
00:45:21,186 --> 00:45:22,754
You're really more
of a driver,
558
00:45:24,122 --> 00:45:27,192
or you're steering rather
than directing in that way.
559
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,496
You can see the way
people's faces change
560
00:45:31,529 --> 00:45:33,364
as the muscles relax
561
00:45:33,398 --> 00:45:36,167
or they drop down
into that, you know...
562
00:45:36,868 --> 00:45:40,271
And in that moment,
I'm like a...
563
00:45:40,305 --> 00:45:42,007
I'm like a thief in the night.
564
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,409
Bling, bling, bling, bling,
bling, bling, bling, bling.
565
00:45:52,017 --> 00:45:54,019
What is it?
What did Debbie say once?
566
00:45:54,052 --> 00:45:57,856
I have a quote from her.
And she said that,
567
00:45:57,889 --> 00:46:02,794
"If Mick Rock were a drag queen,
his name is Miss Direction."
568
00:46:03,428 --> 00:46:05,530
"Oh, look over there,"
he says while he sticks
569
00:46:05,563 --> 00:46:08,366
a knife in your back over here
or takes your photograph.
570
00:46:19,344 --> 00:46:22,413
If you're in front of my camera,
you could be the world's
571
00:46:22,447 --> 00:46:25,150
most fucking boring
person off-camera.
572
00:46:25,183 --> 00:46:26,952
The minute you're
in front of my camera,
573
00:46:26,985 --> 00:46:28,786
you are totally fascinating.
574
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,457
You know, so that's really
where I'm coming from.
575
00:46:40,498 --> 00:46:44,002
My instinct is, you know,
once I got the bite on it...
576
00:46:48,339 --> 00:46:49,474
...I'm not letting go.
577
00:47:48,533 --> 00:47:51,336
Ah. It did get out
of control, it's true.
578
00:47:52,003 --> 00:47:53,504
There was a certain amount of,
579
00:47:53,538 --> 00:47:56,407
what should we say,
venal celebration going on.
580
00:47:57,943 --> 00:48:00,979
I never felt like a voyeur.
Never felt...
581
00:48:01,012 --> 00:48:02,647
I was always on
the inside looking out.
582
00:48:08,586 --> 00:48:10,321
I think I also
enjoyed the fact
583
00:48:10,355 --> 00:48:12,657
that I'd had such
a cerebral education,
584
00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:15,293
a classic British education.
585
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,331
And the camera brought me
into this intuitive world.
586
00:48:24,502 --> 00:48:27,338
Cocaine was starting to
creep into the culture,
587
00:48:27,605 --> 00:48:29,640
but it wasn't what it became,
588
00:48:30,041 --> 00:48:34,212
a raging snowstorm
that swept out to the provinces.
589
00:48:37,182 --> 00:48:39,050
Certain reprobates.
590
00:48:40,151 --> 00:48:41,953
I'm not a fucking paparazzi,
591
00:48:42,187 --> 00:48:46,224
but I just happened to be
in this place at this moment.
592
00:48:46,624 --> 00:48:50,128
It's the thing of Mick Jagger
and Rod Stewart, Ronnie Wood.
593
00:48:50,628 --> 00:48:53,031
It was raucous.
What more do you want in life?
594
00:48:53,064 --> 00:48:55,466
And the cops kept coming and no
one was answering the door.
595
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:56,601
"It's the cops, it's the cops."
596
00:48:56,634 --> 00:48:58,103
But eventually you had
to let them in.
597
00:48:58,136 --> 00:48:59,004
I mean, it's the cops.
598
00:49:00,271 --> 00:49:00,805
And they came up to the attic
and they're like,
599
00:49:00,838 --> 00:49:01,772
"Whoopsie daisy.
600
00:49:01,806 --> 00:49:04,709
The lads were having
a bit of a jamboree."
601
00:49:08,746 --> 00:49:10,148
I've got a lot
of great party pictures,
602
00:49:10,181 --> 00:49:14,119
I think, but there's something
about the David, Lou, Iggy,
603
00:49:14,152 --> 00:49:17,488
and the David, Lou,
Mick moments.
604
00:49:18,623 --> 00:49:20,658
They both denied
they actually kissed,
605
00:49:20,691 --> 00:49:24,762
but I know that's a fib
'cause I saw them, and why not?
606
00:49:24,795 --> 00:49:26,464
Boys were being revolutionaries
607
00:49:26,497 --> 00:49:29,067
by kissing each other
on the lips in public.
608
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:30,201
Revolutionary gesture.
609
00:49:31,236 --> 00:49:33,538
I know the little buggers
do it all day long nowadays,
610
00:49:33,571 --> 00:49:37,208
but back then,
it was something, you know?
611
00:49:37,242 --> 00:49:39,777
"Ooh, I kissed a fucking boy
on the lips this afternoon."
612
00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:41,079
You go...
613
00:49:41,112 --> 00:49:42,980
..."Really,
I've done that before."
614
00:50:00,698 --> 00:50:02,267
Well, I was roaring.
615
00:50:02,533 --> 00:50:03,734
I was on a blue tear,
616
00:50:03,768 --> 00:50:06,704
and I didn't stop to think
about the implications
617
00:50:06,737 --> 00:50:10,408
of where I was at or even
necessarily what I was doing.
618
00:50:11,142 --> 00:50:16,147
I simply had to live out
this, I suppose, fantasy life
619
00:50:16,181 --> 00:50:19,217
of being some kind of mad
symbolist French poet.
620
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,157
David was inviting me to go
to Berlin to take pictures,
621
00:50:26,457 --> 00:50:29,227
and Lou was inviting me
to come to New York.
622
00:50:32,163 --> 00:50:35,066
Even though David and Berlin
were interesting,
623
00:50:35,766 --> 00:50:39,470
New York and Lou Reed were
irresistible, unfortunately.
624
00:51:01,326 --> 00:51:03,161
I like the feel of the city,
625
00:51:03,194 --> 00:51:05,630
and it was a bit ugly
in places and grungy,
626
00:51:05,663 --> 00:51:09,066
and it was nowhere near as
pretty as London or Paris.
627
00:51:09,234 --> 00:51:11,769
But it didn't matter.
None of it.
628
00:51:14,272 --> 00:51:15,573
You could feel the edge
629
00:51:15,606 --> 00:51:17,175
the minute you walked
into New York.
630
00:51:17,208 --> 00:51:19,177
You know,
you had to be on your toes,
631
00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:20,545
and it was a good feeling.
632
00:51:21,646 --> 00:51:24,749
It was torrid,
and torrid, you know,
633
00:51:24,782 --> 00:51:26,451
I needed to get it
out of my system.
634
00:51:26,484 --> 00:51:27,518
What can I say?
635
00:51:31,822 --> 00:51:33,658
Had just landed in New York.
636
00:51:33,691 --> 00:51:35,193
I hadn't slept for a week
637
00:51:35,226 --> 00:51:38,529
and started shooting him
that afternoon.
638
00:51:39,297 --> 00:51:41,232
He wanted me to work with him
639
00:51:41,532 --> 00:51:43,801
on these images
for his new stage show.
640
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,863
He had just done all this
wild and crazy feedback imagery.
641
00:52:14,732 --> 00:52:17,635
The problem was it
started out with 60,
642
00:52:17,668 --> 00:52:19,637
but by the time we were
about 12 drinks in,
643
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:20,605
it was down to 30.
644
00:52:21,272 --> 00:52:22,940
Then we'd have to get
to a location,
645
00:52:22,973 --> 00:52:26,177
find some more TV sets.
It was a bit of a...
646
00:52:26,544 --> 00:52:29,247
But it was, you know,
it was an original thing.
647
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,815
I mean, Lou Reed, man.
648
00:52:31,882 --> 00:52:33,884
Just absolutely unique.
649
00:52:40,625 --> 00:52:44,662
None of these sessions
were designed for any purpose
650
00:52:44,695 --> 00:52:47,265
other than for us
to have some fun,
651
00:52:47,298 --> 00:52:49,200
and then we'll see what we do
with them afterwards,
652
00:52:49,234 --> 00:52:52,270
and sometimes the record labels
653
00:52:52,303 --> 00:52:54,439
would license
for a couple of pennies.
654
00:52:54,972 --> 00:52:58,576
Sally Can't Dance was based
on one of the photographs
655
00:52:58,609 --> 00:53:00,311
I took of him at Blakes Hotel,
656
00:53:00,778 --> 00:53:02,447
and he had gone blond on me.
657
00:53:06,251 --> 00:53:06,917
Of course, this session,
658
00:53:07,985 --> 00:53:09,854
it looks like a carnival,
a barker.
659
00:53:09,887 --> 00:53:11,256
He's got that hat.
660
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:14,325
I got a friend of mine
to retouch it,
661
00:53:14,359 --> 00:53:15,893
make it a little bit
candy-colored.
662
00:53:16,994 --> 00:53:19,630
I did these great pictures
of him and Nico,
663
00:53:19,664 --> 00:53:22,300
and I've got a few frames
later on
664
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:24,201
that I took of him
and John together.
665
00:53:24,369 --> 00:53:26,904
But never got them
all in the room, which again,
666
00:53:26,937 --> 00:53:30,741
for those of us that care,
what a special moment.
667
00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:33,678
She said to me,
668
00:53:33,711 --> 00:53:35,613
"He was my little brother
in a former life,"
669
00:53:35,646 --> 00:53:37,348
'cause in fact,
she was older than Lou.
670
00:53:37,682 --> 00:53:39,784
Lou was almost like
a little boy to her.
671
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:44,722
I think he liked the fact
672
00:53:44,755 --> 00:53:47,925
that he had his own
pet historian, if you like.
673
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,597
The best pictures of me
taken in that period
674
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:54,332
were also taken by Lou.
675
00:53:58,436 --> 00:54:00,505
Oh, well,
there's a negative of one.
676
00:54:00,538 --> 00:54:03,308
That's the one
I've used quite a bit.
677
00:54:03,808 --> 00:54:06,511
Blakes Hotel.
Hadn't slept.
678
00:54:07,077 --> 00:54:08,879
It was00 a.m.
in the morning,
679
00:54:08,913 --> 00:54:11,048
but the light's very nice
at that time of day,
680
00:54:11,081 --> 00:54:12,950
so it was quite flattering.
681
00:54:22,393 --> 00:54:24,028
But these ones,
there's something about,
682
00:54:24,061 --> 00:54:27,398
as a session, this is...
683
00:54:27,832 --> 00:54:29,834
He did, he looked like
a bloody insect.
684
00:54:29,867 --> 00:54:34,038
It was like
the perfect rendition
685
00:54:34,071 --> 00:54:36,574
of people's idea of Lou Reed.
686
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:41,379
The shiny, the black,
the shades.
687
00:54:41,412 --> 00:54:44,315
I mean, he looks fantastic.
It's a pure image.
688
00:54:46,417 --> 00:54:47,418
You know, he was Baudelaire,
689
00:54:47,452 --> 00:54:50,555
a great artist,
but a degenerate.
690
00:54:53,691 --> 00:54:55,593
He fulfilled people's fantasies.
691
00:54:55,626 --> 00:54:57,595
He used to get
very irritated about it,
692
00:54:57,628 --> 00:55:00,331
but I'd say to him,
"But, Lou, you know,
693
00:55:00,365 --> 00:55:02,299
you've kind of propagated this."
694
00:57:11,762 --> 00:57:15,466
- Come about- 00 a.m.
when the blood sugar drops.
695
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:16,701
That's when everything,
696
00:57:17,902 --> 00:57:19,436
all the really crazy shit
started to happen.
697
00:57:20,538 --> 00:57:22,473
And I was kind of addicted
to00 a.m.,
698
00:57:22,507 --> 00:57:24,775
and they call that
the hour of the wolf.
699
00:57:24,975 --> 00:57:26,677
And I love that time
700
00:57:26,711 --> 00:57:29,980
because you can get up
to all kinds of antics then.
701
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,088
I was in the exploration biz.
702
00:57:38,122 --> 00:57:39,857
I would check everything out.
703
00:57:40,591 --> 00:57:42,560
I mean, anybody
that was up to anything
704
00:57:42,593 --> 00:57:46,797
a little bit saucy in New York,
I was invited.
705
00:57:48,766 --> 00:57:51,502
And also, the girls, man.
Jesus.
706
00:57:51,736 --> 00:57:53,704
You know, if you had
a vial of cocaine,
707
00:57:53,738 --> 00:57:56,707
you know, it's like whatever.
708
00:58:03,047 --> 00:58:04,649
I didn't really want
to be sensible.
709
00:58:05,015 --> 00:58:07,585
I wanted to taste all the buzz
710
00:58:07,618 --> 00:58:09,486
of the whole thing,
up to a point.
711
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,990
I remember going to a couple
of S&M clubs and going,
712
00:58:13,023 --> 00:58:15,159
"These motherfuckers
are too serious for me."
713
00:58:15,192 --> 00:58:17,094
You know, "I need to get
the fuck out of here."
714
00:59:20,090 --> 00:59:22,727
I had, like,
an instinct fully developed
715
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,128
by then for anything
716
00:59:24,161 --> 00:59:28,098
that smelled like a big rodent,
and this one did.
717
00:59:28,132 --> 00:59:31,168
But, you know,
a healthy, edgy rodent,
718
00:59:31,869 --> 00:59:33,270
and they called it punk.
719
00:59:35,272 --> 00:59:39,777
I went down to CBGB's in 1974.
There were 20 people there.
720
00:59:42,279 --> 00:59:43,848
These were taken at CBGB's,
721
00:59:43,881 --> 00:59:45,750
but it's got
all four original ones.
722
00:59:45,983 --> 00:59:47,284
'Cause Tommy was only
in the band
723
00:59:47,317 --> 00:59:48,953
for the first couple of albums.
724
00:59:48,986 --> 00:59:50,721
By the time I shot
the album cover,
725
00:59:51,121 --> 00:59:52,723
Marky was the drummer.
726
00:59:53,658 --> 00:59:55,826
I spent a lot of time
around that glam scene,
727
00:59:55,860 --> 00:59:57,161
and this is the fucking Ramones.
728
00:59:57,194 --> 01:00:00,698
I mean, you know,
not the prettiest bunch alive.
729
01:00:00,731 --> 01:00:04,735
In fact, they were,
at that moment in time,
730
01:00:04,769 --> 01:00:07,337
you could probably have called
them the ugliest band around.
731
01:00:09,306 --> 01:00:11,308
I remember the art director
told me
732
01:00:11,341 --> 01:00:13,377
they'd already done
three sessions
733
01:00:13,410 --> 01:00:16,113
and they hated the pictures.
They didn't like photographers,
734
01:00:16,146 --> 01:00:18,849
and if they didn't like
what was going on, they'd leave,
735
01:00:18,883 --> 01:00:20,150
and he didn't
really have any money.
736
01:00:20,184 --> 01:00:22,286
Did I want to do it?
And I thought, "Yeah."
737
01:00:28,325 --> 01:00:29,960
But meanwhile,
over the water,
738
01:00:30,828 --> 01:00:32,830
I tasted it
a bit here and there.
739
01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:37,802
Remember Johnny Rotten walking
around calling everybody
740
01:00:37,835 --> 01:00:41,305
a bunch of fucking hippies.
"Fuck off, you fucking wankers."
741
01:00:42,072 --> 01:00:46,410
He was busy imprinting himself
on the underground consciousness
742
01:00:46,443 --> 01:00:49,313
by touting
his obnoxious vibes.
743
01:00:53,317 --> 01:00:56,220
I remember Malcolm
dangling some kinky underwear
744
01:00:56,253 --> 01:00:57,121
in front of me, saying,
745
01:00:58,588 --> 01:00:59,790
"You want some of this, Mick?
Come and photograph my band."
746
01:01:03,828 --> 01:01:05,162
Wasn't really about the music.
747
01:01:05,195 --> 01:01:07,397
It was more
punk as subversion,
748
01:01:07,798 --> 01:01:11,035
which it definitely was an
attitude promulgated in London.
749
01:01:14,204 --> 01:01:16,040
Look at his eyeballs.
He's very, like,
750
01:01:16,073 --> 01:01:18,208
"What the fuck are you doing
here, Mick Rock?" You know?
751
01:01:21,345 --> 01:01:24,348
I mean, I would wear a bit
of makeup in the glam days,
752
01:01:24,381 --> 01:01:26,984
but I wasn't gonna get my
fucking haircut chopped short
753
01:01:27,017 --> 01:01:31,321
and have a Mohawk, and no.
No, I didn't identify.
754
01:01:31,355 --> 01:01:33,423
With the glammy stuff,
I identified.
755
01:01:34,024 --> 01:01:34,892
But, I mean, just look.
756
01:01:36,026 --> 01:01:36,794
A lot of those fucking punks
were really fucking ugly.
757
01:01:36,827 --> 01:01:39,296
I'm sorry.
They were interesting,
758
01:01:39,830 --> 01:01:42,432
but, you know,
I was into prettier stuff.
759
01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:46,470
That was taken
about a decade ago.
760
01:01:46,503 --> 01:01:50,107
Look, that was a knockoff
of one of my earlier images.
761
01:01:50,875 --> 01:01:52,109
And there's Debbie.
762
01:01:53,844 --> 01:01:55,946
People often ask me about,
and I say,
763
01:01:55,980 --> 01:01:59,049
"Well, it doesn't matter
which way you twist the banana.
764
01:01:59,249 --> 01:02:02,853
I don't care who it is."
I mean, look at Debbie Harry.
765
01:02:03,387 --> 01:02:05,355
She even photographed
in certain ways
766
01:02:05,389 --> 01:02:06,957
better than Marilyn, I think.
767
01:02:06,991 --> 01:02:09,426
I mean... And it's really,
some of the pictures,
768
01:02:09,459 --> 01:02:11,996
and my pictures, you go...
You know?
769
01:02:12,997 --> 01:02:15,833
Just her glowing, you know,
770
01:02:15,866 --> 01:02:18,035
and looking like the
Marilyn Monroe of rock 'n' roll.
771
01:02:20,337 --> 01:02:23,774
Yeah, 'cause the thing with
Debbie is she was like David.
772
01:02:23,808 --> 01:02:26,210
You couldn't really take
a bad picture of her.
773
01:02:32,149 --> 01:02:34,318
This became the cover
of Penthouse.
774
01:02:34,551 --> 01:02:37,321
Of course, the irony is she's
not only wearing a jacket,
775
01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:39,189
but also a scarf.
776
01:02:39,556 --> 01:02:41,525
Actually sold more
than any other issue
777
01:02:41,558 --> 01:02:43,760
of the magazine that year.
778
01:02:46,363 --> 01:02:48,465
She had fun with the group, too.
You can see in a lot
779
01:02:48,498 --> 01:02:50,200
of the pictures
she's mucking about.
780
01:02:50,567 --> 01:02:53,570
But obviously it's less
the idea of glamour
781
01:02:53,603 --> 01:02:56,841
and more the idea
of camaraderie.
782
01:02:57,474 --> 01:03:01,011
If it's just Debbie,
I can concentrate
783
01:03:01,045 --> 01:03:04,281
on that rock-'n'-roll
Marilyn or Lolita,
784
01:03:04,314 --> 01:03:05,482
as the case here.
785
01:03:09,586 --> 01:03:12,089
If you do this type
of identifying
786
01:03:12,122 --> 01:03:13,891
when you're looking at somebody,
787
01:03:13,924 --> 01:03:16,493
some kind of plasma sticks
onto the photographs.
788
01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:21,932
Talking Heads, they were
"Children of the Damned."
789
01:03:24,334 --> 01:03:26,570
The Dead Boys
I wanted to give the vibe
790
01:03:26,603 --> 01:03:28,572
of the second
Rolling Stones album.
791
01:03:31,408 --> 01:03:33,377
I love the stuff
with Joan Jett.
792
01:03:34,378 --> 01:03:36,213
She was Elvis Presley to me.
793
01:03:37,147 --> 01:03:40,117
Often with the visual things,
I mean, if you explain it,
794
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:41,518
it doesn't sound
like very much,
795
01:03:41,551 --> 01:03:43,087
but, I mean, you look at it...
796
01:03:43,954 --> 01:03:45,956
it somehow works, you know?
797
01:04:15,152 --> 01:04:17,454
Why do certain things
stick in the mind?
798
01:04:18,655 --> 01:04:21,391
I couldn't fucking tell you
the answer to that.
799
01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:24,895
It's a Youngian thing.
800
01:04:25,329 --> 01:04:29,133
It's a truth that reverberates,
that kind of defies itself.
801
01:04:29,466 --> 01:04:32,436
It's a truth that you can
describe up to a point,
802
01:04:32,469 --> 01:04:36,073
but then you got to let it go
and let it be unto itself.
803
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,009
And that's a bigger truth,
804
01:04:39,043 --> 01:04:40,577
and that's what
I discovered with pictures.
805
01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:44,314
Beyond my words
lay these more...
806
01:04:44,348 --> 01:04:46,183
...profound...
807
01:04:46,216 --> 01:04:49,453
Like, profound,
more substantial proof.
808
01:04:49,486 --> 01:04:52,122
Let's put it like that.
Chunkier truths,
809
01:04:52,156 --> 01:04:54,491
and whatever they mean,
what you want them to mean.
810
01:04:55,225 --> 01:04:58,595
What that's the result of,
I don't know.
811
01:04:59,163 --> 01:05:01,431
I don't know.
812
01:05:18,983 --> 01:05:21,151
Quite often after a shoot,
it was not like,
813
01:05:21,185 --> 01:05:22,252
"Oh, the session's over.
814
01:05:22,286 --> 01:05:24,354
Calm the fuck down
and go home, Mick."
815
01:05:24,388 --> 01:05:25,522
No, I'm ready for more.
816
01:05:29,459 --> 01:05:33,697
And part of the problem
was I was so indulged.
817
01:05:38,402 --> 01:05:40,637
I was a young
British photographer
818
01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:43,207
and I had this association.
819
01:05:43,473 --> 01:05:45,509
You know, "Mick Rock always
shot David Bowie.
820
01:05:45,542 --> 01:05:48,178
They're really good..." You
know, if I'd shot nobody else,
821
01:05:48,212 --> 01:05:50,480
that would've been enough for me
to get invited
822
01:05:50,747 --> 01:05:53,583
to every, like,
orgy or God knows what
823
01:05:53,617 --> 01:05:55,352
that was going on in New York.
824
01:05:55,785 --> 01:05:58,555
Oh, this would be...
This could be the Ritz.
825
01:05:58,788 --> 01:06:01,325
There's Wayne Kramer
and Stiv Bators,
826
01:06:01,358 --> 01:06:03,693
lot from The Dead Boys.
And Cherry Vanilla.
827
01:06:04,161 --> 01:06:06,330
Say, "When did you have
the time for all this, Mick?"
828
01:06:06,363 --> 01:06:08,098
Well, I never slept.
829
01:06:08,632 --> 01:06:10,534
If you don't sleep,
you get about a bit.
830
01:06:11,135 --> 01:06:13,370
What was that Ramones song?
831
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:16,740
I would play it, like,00 a.m.
in the morning in my studio
832
01:06:16,773 --> 01:06:19,743
on 32nd Street and Madison.
833
01:06:19,776 --> 01:06:22,212
It would be,
"I wanna be sedated."
834
01:06:22,246 --> 01:06:25,449
Oh...
Did I love "I Wanna Be Sedated."
835
01:06:25,782 --> 01:06:28,618
It was... Looking back,
it was probably a cri de coeur,
836
01:06:28,652 --> 01:06:30,654
'cause I needed
a lot of sedation.
837
01:06:31,288 --> 01:06:33,157
It's a lot of my problem.
838
01:06:33,523 --> 01:06:35,559
Sedate the bastard, you know?
839
01:06:47,404 --> 01:06:53,009
I was so in love with cocaine.
I loved it. Of course I did.
840
01:06:56,313 --> 01:06:59,716
At one point, I knew
10 dealers in New York.
841
01:07:00,584 --> 01:07:04,388
They were the only collectors
of my pictures,
842
01:07:04,421 --> 01:07:07,757
'cause, you know,
the exchange policy.
843
01:07:09,626 --> 01:07:12,229
I mean, I could get an eight
for a fucking print, man.
844
01:07:19,603 --> 01:07:21,638
High Times. Uh-oh.
845
01:07:22,572 --> 01:07:24,441
That's how I got good
at shooting still-lives.
846
01:07:26,476 --> 01:07:28,578
You could take a long time
847
01:07:28,612 --> 01:07:30,714
and it could work
out quite expensive
848
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,517
because the material goods
consumed.
849
01:07:34,251 --> 01:07:36,120
You know, it would
get out of control.
850
01:07:37,887 --> 01:07:40,724
That's in a meat warehouse.
Look, you can see the meat.
851
01:07:41,225 --> 01:07:45,095
So, it was an interesting shoot,
but heavily chemicalized.
852
01:07:45,129 --> 01:07:46,263
I remember that.
853
01:07:47,464 --> 01:07:50,367
Even when I did
all that cocaine and speed,
854
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,369
I was also doing yoga.
855
01:07:52,402 --> 01:07:55,105
Be up for three days,
stand on your head for an hour.
856
01:07:55,339 --> 01:07:56,506
I mean, wow.
857
01:07:56,540 --> 01:07:59,376
Talk about the big
fucking bang in the brain.
858
01:08:02,746 --> 01:08:05,749
I do remember once not sleeping
for seven days.
859
01:08:06,916 --> 01:08:09,253
Anyone that cared knew
I was, you know,
860
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:11,555
existing a bit
beyond the pale...
861
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:15,325
in terms of being
reliable in any sense,
862
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:17,461
in terms of, you know,
being able...
863
01:08:17,494 --> 01:08:18,628
Just being professional.
864
01:08:18,662 --> 01:08:22,532
Just wasn't...
Wasn't being professional.
865
01:08:24,501 --> 01:08:26,403
I remember doing
that Carly Simon shoot,
866
01:08:26,436 --> 01:08:28,138
and she was
the first person to say it.
867
01:08:28,438 --> 01:08:30,207
She said, "Yeah,
Mick takes great pictures,
868
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,676
but you can't find him
after the session for days."
869
01:08:59,203 --> 01:09:01,538
I was in a lot of denial,
though.
870
01:09:01,571 --> 01:09:03,907
I didn't get all the way
to the bottomless pit.
871
01:09:03,940 --> 01:09:08,378
But it would get --
I would get flashes of things
872
01:09:08,412 --> 01:09:10,580
possibly getting bleaker.
873
01:09:11,948 --> 01:09:15,685
Those were, like, very
fragmented times I was living.
874
01:09:15,719 --> 01:09:18,188
And I did a lot
of different things.
875
01:09:21,558 --> 01:09:25,562
It was hyperactive
in my rampant insecurity.
876
01:09:29,599 --> 01:09:31,568
And then there's Motley Crue.
877
01:09:31,601 --> 01:09:33,403
It was glam metal.
878
01:09:33,437 --> 01:09:35,439
I mean, it wasn't that
I was working that much,
879
01:09:35,472 --> 01:09:38,174
so they came and found me.
880
01:09:39,643 --> 01:09:41,678
Couldn't tell them,
"Oh, Mick Rock has a problem
881
01:09:41,711 --> 01:09:43,280
and it will be an issue."
882
01:09:43,313 --> 01:09:45,715
Just doing what they're doing.
883
01:09:51,488 --> 01:09:55,325
The thing is it didn't matter
what sort of state I was in,
884
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:58,328
where I was --
It mattered nothing at all.
885
01:09:59,363 --> 01:10:00,897
The pictures would always work.
886
01:10:01,598 --> 01:10:03,367
So, that kind
of sat over here.
887
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,969
Over here, meanwhile,
is the real Mick Rock,
888
01:10:06,002 --> 01:10:09,205
and he's getting to be
a bit of a bloody disaster.
889
01:10:19,048 --> 01:10:22,452
Had to leave the city.
I owed the landlord a lot of --
890
01:10:22,486 --> 01:10:24,788
wasn't so much, but it seemed
like a lot at the time.
891
01:10:24,821 --> 01:10:26,756
Could be 10 grand.
892
01:10:29,025 --> 01:10:30,394
I mean, I don't know.
893
01:10:30,427 --> 01:10:31,628
Perhaps people stopped
calling me
894
01:10:31,661 --> 01:10:33,530
because I was too
much of a loon.
895
01:10:42,772 --> 01:10:44,641
I had not been getting enough
896
01:10:44,674 --> 01:10:46,643
satisfaction out
of photography for a while,
897
01:10:46,676 --> 01:10:49,479
and I'd started to do
some art direction
898
01:10:49,513 --> 01:10:51,481
and a bit of collage work
899
01:10:51,515 --> 01:10:53,417
related to the art direction.
900
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:56,486
You know, I don't know
what I'm gonna do when I do it.
901
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:57,887
It just starts to form.
902
01:10:57,921 --> 01:11:00,490
I do one or two things,
and this suggests something else
903
01:11:00,524 --> 01:11:02,058
and this suggests
something else.
904
01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:04,361
And then suddenly,
whoopsie daisy,
905
01:11:04,394 --> 01:11:06,396
you got this thing.
906
01:11:07,063 --> 01:11:08,398
Was I high at the time?
907
01:11:09,566 --> 01:11:10,467
Yeah, I was high at the time
I did all this early work,
908
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:14,438
but I do it now
without being chemically,
909
01:11:14,471 --> 01:11:15,839
you know, altered.
910
01:11:34,991 --> 01:11:36,693
When things started
going badly,
911
01:11:36,726 --> 01:11:39,629
I wouldn't go to David
or Lou and ask them for work.
912
01:11:41,731 --> 01:11:43,867
I've not exactly been
that communicative with them
913
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:45,535
for quite some time,
914
01:11:45,569 --> 01:11:47,904
although they've both tried,
to be honest.
915
01:11:49,873 --> 01:11:51,541
I knew I was too fucked up
916
01:11:51,575 --> 01:11:53,810
to be able
to face them properly, though.
917
01:11:53,843 --> 01:11:55,311
I think there was...
918
01:11:57,113 --> 01:11:58,815
always had some fantasy.
919
01:11:58,848 --> 01:12:01,851
When I straightened out,
then I could see them again.
920
01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:07,557
I don't know if I really
fell out with him.
921
01:12:07,591 --> 01:12:08,625
I think I got very paranoid
922
01:12:08,658 --> 01:12:11,027
because
I missed his bloody wedding.
923
01:12:11,728 --> 01:12:14,798
I was supposed to be there
to take photographs and I...
924
01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:22,406
I don't know, mate.
925
01:12:23,172 --> 01:12:26,776
Just -- I got myself up
a back alley.
926
01:12:27,511 --> 01:12:29,513
It was hard to get down, really.
927
01:12:29,546 --> 01:12:31,748
Tough to get out of it.
928
01:13:22,231 --> 01:13:24,834
I think when the shit hit
the fan, as it were,
929
01:13:24,868 --> 01:13:28,805
when it all started to
fall apart, I wasn't equipped.
930
01:13:28,838 --> 01:13:32,642
And these were so strong,
and my pictures were so strong
931
01:13:32,676 --> 01:13:34,911
that that was my identity.
932
01:13:34,944 --> 01:13:37,447
All of them had become
a little bit of me.
933
01:14:17,854 --> 01:14:20,590
Take it slow.
934
01:14:35,772 --> 01:14:37,006
Did a shoot.
935
01:14:38,141 --> 01:14:40,109
Yeah, I was actually out
in the West Side
936
01:14:40,143 --> 01:14:42,746
when the West Side
was still very raw.
937
01:14:44,013 --> 01:14:45,815
And it was cold, as well.
938
01:14:58,294 --> 01:15:03,667
And, whew,
this bizarre feeling.
939
01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:07,571
I kind of wasn't admitting
to myself what it fucking was.
940
01:15:08,838 --> 01:15:11,675
They could see
something was going on.
941
01:15:12,942 --> 01:15:18,081
My heart started doing the kind
of...
942
01:15:18,848 --> 01:15:23,052
I was too stunned and too
in a state of realizing that,
943
01:15:23,086 --> 01:15:25,655
you know, somehow this had
all been so inevitable
944
01:15:25,689 --> 01:15:28,558
that I was
sort of beyond being scared.
945
01:16:25,915 --> 01:16:29,018
Oh! So this was
the fucking end game.
946
01:16:30,286 --> 01:16:33,089
I've been trying to figure out
what the end game's gonna be,
947
01:16:33,122 --> 01:16:36,726
and it was you
on a hospital bed nearly dead.
948
01:16:38,061 --> 01:16:41,164
And I was singing to myself
over and over again,
949
01:16:41,197 --> 01:16:43,900
"In pastures green,
he leadeth me.
950
01:16:43,933 --> 01:16:46,135
The quiet waters by."
951
01:16:46,169 --> 01:16:47,637
And I was weeping.
952
01:16:50,907 --> 01:16:52,075
My mother always says
953
01:16:52,108 --> 01:16:54,110
we're all living on
the edge of a precipice,
954
01:16:54,143 --> 01:16:56,646
and that always comes to mind,
955
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,916
but I will not go lightly
into that dark night,
956
01:16:59,949 --> 01:17:02,318
that's for sure.
957
01:20:35,498 --> 01:20:37,133
Yeah, I don't think
too hard about it
958
01:20:37,166 --> 01:20:39,235
'cause I don't really want
to go quite back there.
959
01:20:39,268 --> 01:20:42,238
I mean, I acknowledge it,
but I don't, like, you know,
960
01:20:42,271 --> 01:20:43,973
get into it too much
961
01:20:44,007 --> 01:20:48,111
because that's not something
you want to happen again.
962
01:20:48,577 --> 01:20:50,313
No fucking way.
963
01:20:51,414 --> 01:20:56,552
Three heart attacks followed by
quadruple bypass heart surgery,
964
01:20:56,585 --> 01:20:59,255
all in my early 40s.
965
01:21:00,289 --> 01:21:02,225
So, at times in my life,
966
01:21:02,258 --> 01:21:04,093
I've certainly felt
like a failure.
967
01:21:04,127 --> 01:21:06,029
Definitely.
Woof.
968
01:21:06,062 --> 01:21:07,630
Beyond being a failure.
969
01:21:07,663 --> 01:21:10,266
I was dead broke.
970
01:21:10,299 --> 01:21:13,102
I had a serious cocaine habit.
971
01:21:13,136 --> 01:21:15,171
I had zero insurance.
972
01:21:15,704 --> 01:21:18,007
And there were my saviors --
973
01:21:18,041 --> 01:21:20,676
Andrew Loog Oldham,
the original Svengali
974
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:22,111
of The Rolling Stones,
975
01:21:22,145 --> 01:21:23,646
and Allen Klein,
976
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:26,182
who had been the business
manager of the Stones
977
01:21:26,215 --> 01:21:28,551
and the Beatles
in the late '60s.
978
01:21:29,452 --> 01:21:31,354
They paid for everything.
979
01:21:32,021 --> 01:21:35,291
I think it's fair to say
they in many ways saved my life.
980
01:21:40,429 --> 01:21:42,165
I was just a child in my times.
981
01:21:42,198 --> 01:21:43,899
I don't think --
982
01:21:45,501 --> 01:21:47,403
I didn't know what I was,
to be honest with you,
983
01:21:47,436 --> 01:21:49,538
but I was something.
984
01:21:49,572 --> 01:21:51,440
You know, something
without being full of it.
985
01:21:51,474 --> 01:21:54,043
Just something,
and I'm looking for it.
986
01:21:54,077 --> 01:21:55,578
It's there somewhere.
987
01:21:55,611 --> 01:21:59,282
And it was buried deep,
and it took me so long,
988
01:21:59,315 --> 01:22:02,285
and I had to nearly die to get
to what this Mick Rock thing is
989
01:22:02,318 --> 01:22:04,487
other than some kind of parody.
990
01:22:15,198 --> 01:22:17,933
Ugh. Phew.
991
01:22:18,467 --> 01:22:20,169
Don't even know where to begin.
992
01:22:20,203 --> 01:22:23,206
It's like a monster
that I've been dragging around.
993
01:22:23,472 --> 01:22:30,046
I even thought of making a movie
about a photographer
994
01:22:30,079 --> 01:22:32,481
who was trapped by his images.
995
01:22:33,216 --> 01:22:36,619
I mean, look at it.
I can't let go of a lot of it.
996
01:22:37,253 --> 01:22:39,122
In fact, most of it.
997
01:22:42,658 --> 01:22:44,627
My job is to protect it.
998
01:22:47,763 --> 01:22:49,999
I don't know how it will happen.
999
01:22:50,033 --> 01:22:51,967
It'll just, you know...
1000
01:22:52,168 --> 01:22:54,237
I was just Michael David Rock.
1001
01:22:55,104 --> 01:22:56,672
Joan Rock's little boy.
1002
01:22:57,173 --> 01:23:01,110
And then this Mick Rock thing
took over.
1003
01:23:17,393 --> 01:23:19,495
Do you enjoy being a rock star?
1004
01:23:19,528 --> 01:23:21,130
Fantastic.
1005
01:23:21,597 --> 01:23:23,532
What do you think you are
at heart?
1006
01:23:23,699 --> 01:23:24,833
I'm an object.
1007
01:23:24,867 --> 01:23:27,103
But you live with
other people's ideas.
1008
01:23:31,207 --> 01:23:34,243
I think I make good use
of this. I tell you.
1009
01:23:34,277 --> 01:23:36,679
I'll take everything
it's got.
1010
01:23:36,712 --> 01:23:38,781
It's difficult.
But you could've had it.
1011
01:23:38,814 --> 01:23:42,551
You could've had those things
a long time ago.
1012
01:23:42,851 --> 01:23:44,620
Why now?
1013
01:24:49,352 --> 01:24:50,719
All right, lads.
1014
01:24:50,753 --> 01:24:52,221
Eyes down for England.
1015
01:24:52,255 --> 01:24:53,689
Let's get rolling.
1016
01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:56,625
I got to work this back a bit.
Very high.
1017
01:24:56,659 --> 01:24:59,595
Switch that one off
so it doesn't distract me.
1018
01:24:59,628 --> 01:25:01,764
Switch off the overhead lights.
1019
01:25:02,665 --> 01:25:04,333
Let's get some drama.
1020
01:25:04,367 --> 01:25:05,834
It's the mood.
1021
01:25:06,535 --> 01:25:08,103
Have a seat, sir.
1022
01:25:14,710 --> 01:25:16,145
I hate to say it --
1023
01:25:16,179 --> 01:25:17,780
well, maybe no, I don't.
Head up a bit.
1024
01:25:17,813 --> 01:25:20,816
- I got a dash of Rasputin.
- Oh, yeah.
1025
01:25:20,849 --> 01:25:23,486
- He's plenty --
- More than a dash.
1026
01:25:23,519 --> 01:25:24,787
Yeah, okay.
1027
01:25:25,854 --> 01:25:27,823
Ah! Ah! Ah!
1028
01:25:27,856 --> 01:25:31,394
Ah! Ah!
Ah! Ah!
1029
01:25:31,427 --> 01:25:34,763
Now, if you'll stand up
for me against the backdrop,
1030
01:25:34,797 --> 01:25:36,499
it's gonna take
a little bit of patience.
1031
01:25:36,532 --> 01:25:37,766
Move that a little bit.
1032
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,536
Doesn't have to,
like, disappear, but...
1033
01:25:40,569 --> 01:25:42,438
Just come right up
to here.
1034
01:25:42,471 --> 01:25:44,407
Bring that light around.
1035
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,775
Come right back
against this now.
1036
01:25:46,809 --> 01:25:48,844
You want -- keep the jacket.
I like it.
1037
01:25:48,877 --> 01:25:50,713
No, but I like it down
if you want.
1038
01:25:50,746 --> 01:25:52,281
I was gonna give you
one of these.
1039
01:25:52,315 --> 01:25:53,782
Yeah, yeah,
give me one of them.
1040
01:25:53,816 --> 01:25:55,951
Yeah, yeah.
Give me four of them.
1041
01:25:55,984 --> 01:25:57,420
Mm-hmm.
1042
01:25:58,287 --> 01:26:00,289
I've done this before.
1043
01:26:00,323 --> 01:26:02,725
Listen, I'm not
expecting originality.
1044
01:26:07,330 --> 01:26:08,797
Well, I fucking --
1045
01:26:08,831 --> 01:26:11,567
I knew one shot
that I felt the love.
1046
01:26:12,468 --> 01:26:13,602
Oh, yeah.
1047
01:26:13,636 --> 01:26:16,572
Every so often, I nail one.
1048
01:26:16,605 --> 01:26:18,474
Ah! Ah! Ah!
1049
01:26:18,507 --> 01:26:20,209
Right towards me, Josh.
1050
01:26:20,243 --> 01:26:21,344
Push them right out at me.
1051
01:26:21,377 --> 01:26:22,678
There, and up a little.
1052
01:26:22,711 --> 01:26:23,879
Yeah, yeah,
whatever you want to do.
1053
01:26:23,912 --> 01:26:27,716
That's fine.
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
1054
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:32,455
Aha, aha, aha, aha, aha.
1055
01:26:34,022 --> 01:26:35,858
Did I get off?
Nearly.
1056
01:26:54,643 --> 01:26:58,614
I know I need to do these
things for therapeutic reasons.
1057
01:26:58,647 --> 01:27:01,850
I'm better and healthier
when I do them.
1058
01:27:01,884 --> 01:27:03,619
There's a lot of
different pressures,
1059
01:27:03,652 --> 01:27:05,521
but really, once I'm
in the open field
1060
01:27:05,554 --> 01:27:07,890
where the creative part
is happening,
1061
01:27:08,056 --> 01:27:11,460
whatever the fuck else
is going, that, you know.
1062
01:27:11,494 --> 01:27:14,330
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Beautiful, beautiful,
1063
01:27:14,363 --> 01:27:15,864
I love it,
I love it, I love it.
1064
01:27:15,898 --> 01:27:18,000
Yes, stay.
Stay with me.
1065
01:27:18,033 --> 01:27:19,602
There's a certain hunger
1066
01:27:19,635 --> 01:27:21,670
comes over me
when I pick up a camera.
1067
01:27:21,704 --> 01:27:23,772
Sometimes I joke about,
you know,
1068
01:27:23,806 --> 01:27:26,008
being a bit of a vampire,
1069
01:27:26,041 --> 01:27:27,743
and especially
shooting younger people
1070
01:27:27,776 --> 01:27:29,912
'cause the blood
tastes better.
1071
01:27:33,382 --> 01:27:34,750
The hands --
move the hands around.
1072
01:27:34,783 --> 01:27:37,953
Like, very --
I mean, the robot,
1073
01:27:37,986 --> 01:27:40,623
but -- ah, super.
1074
01:27:40,656 --> 01:27:42,891
This is one for
the fucking ages.
1075
01:27:42,925 --> 01:27:45,060
The only control
you have is in the doing
1076
01:27:45,093 --> 01:27:46,695
of what you're doing.
1077
01:27:46,729 --> 01:27:50,566
You can't dictate
what will have resonance.
1078
01:28:00,743 --> 01:28:03,512
The thing that used to
irritate me is, you know, he --
1079
01:28:03,546 --> 01:28:05,648
"Oh, the man that photographed
this person or that person,"
1080
01:28:05,681 --> 01:28:07,550
but after a while,
1081
01:28:07,583 --> 01:28:09,652
you're gonna stop being called
the man who shot the '70s.
1082
01:28:09,685 --> 01:28:11,387
It's just a tag, right?
1083
01:28:11,420 --> 01:28:13,522
But whatever.
It is what it is,
1084
01:28:13,556 --> 01:28:16,925
and it's better that
you're thought of in some way
1085
01:28:16,959 --> 01:28:19,662
that is, like, not so awful
1086
01:28:19,695 --> 01:28:21,564
than not to be
thought of at all.
1087
01:28:27,135 --> 01:28:29,538
Of course, the amazing thing
for me nowadays
1088
01:28:29,572 --> 01:28:31,840
is that this rock 'n' roll
photography stuff
1089
01:28:31,874 --> 01:28:33,876
is in museums and galleries
1090
01:28:33,909 --> 01:28:36,845
and cultural institutions
all over the world,
1091
01:28:36,879 --> 01:28:41,350
and I keep thinking
something went very wrong.
1092
01:28:41,384 --> 01:28:44,620
We were supposed to be rebels
and outsiders,
1093
01:28:44,653 --> 01:28:46,589
but nowadays,
1094
01:28:46,622 --> 01:28:49,658
we have been absorbed
by the modern establishment.
1095
01:28:57,733 --> 01:29:00,936
Ladies and gentlemen, Mick Rock!
1096
01:29:11,046 --> 01:29:12,881
I got lucky a lot.
Didn't I, Lou?
1097
01:29:12,915 --> 01:29:15,584
I got very lucky at times.
Let's be honest.
1098
01:29:15,618 --> 01:29:19,154
When you have that much luck,
at a certain point,
1099
01:29:19,187 --> 01:29:21,890
you have to say there
is more involved.
1100
01:29:22,658 --> 01:29:25,494
You know, continuously
in the right place
1101
01:29:25,528 --> 01:29:28,464
at the right time
with an instrument
1102
01:29:28,497 --> 01:29:31,734
that continuously takes
beautiful pictures.
1103
01:29:31,767 --> 01:29:36,371
So, granted that --
that Rock has no talent.
1104
01:29:45,180 --> 01:29:46,749
You know, I just think
1105
01:29:46,782 --> 01:29:49,652
if you have the right
obsessive nature,
1106
01:29:49,685 --> 01:29:51,654
you know, could be a sick
obsessive nature,
1107
01:29:51,687 --> 01:29:54,757
but you have to have
the capacity
1108
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:57,626
to be fascinated.
1109
01:29:57,660 --> 01:30:00,062
And I think you
can fascinate me.
1110
01:30:00,095 --> 01:30:03,398
I'm like, you know,
a baboon with a banana.
1111
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,069
And a camera, of course.
1112
01:30:42,971 --> 01:30:44,540
The mystery of it all.
1113
01:30:44,573 --> 01:30:46,074
That's what excites me,
1114
01:30:46,108 --> 01:30:48,811
is how mysterious
so much of this is
1115
01:30:48,844 --> 01:30:51,580
and how these things happen
and why they happen,
1116
01:30:51,614 --> 01:30:52,881
and the fact that, you know,
1117
01:30:52,915 --> 01:30:54,950
you can kind
of smell this stuff,
1118
01:30:54,983 --> 01:30:57,553
but you can't
really describe it.
1119
01:30:57,586 --> 01:30:59,688
I mean, I love --
1120
01:30:59,722 --> 01:31:02,124
I love to take pictures.
1121
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:46,635
Yeah,
crank it up a little bit!
1122
01:31:46,669 --> 01:31:48,003
Liven it up
just a little.
1123
01:31:48,036 --> 01:31:49,672
Little bit.
Yeah.
1124
01:31:56,078 --> 01:31:58,614
This guy's a right fucking
cunt and he's mad as a hatter.
1125
01:31:58,647 --> 01:32:00,549
I thought, "Send him
over immediately."
1126
01:32:05,654 --> 01:32:07,923
Where is he? Is he doing yoga
somewhere in the building?
1127
01:32:22,738 --> 01:32:24,773
Come on in, gentlemen.
1128
01:32:27,676 --> 01:32:29,177
Fucking Motley Crue come
1129
01:32:29,211 --> 01:32:31,079
for a spanking session
with Mick Rock.
1130
01:32:31,113 --> 01:32:33,081
No laughing, you cunts.
1131
01:32:35,083 --> 01:32:36,251
Watch the birdie.
1132
01:32:36,284 --> 01:32:37,953
Keep -- keep your eyes
on the prize.
1133
01:32:37,986 --> 01:32:39,988
Keep your eyes
on the prize.
1134
01:32:48,997 --> 01:32:51,033
Hold your horses.
1135
01:32:52,635 --> 01:32:54,369
Yeah, you can do it, too.
1136
01:32:54,402 --> 01:32:56,672
Helps if you're high,
of course.
1137
01:32:56,705 --> 01:32:58,974
No, I want to fucking feel it.
Can I feel it?
1138
01:33:00,175 --> 01:33:03,111
Oh, dear.
A bit too old for this.
1139
01:33:04,379 --> 01:33:07,616
What's my name?
What's my name, Lenny?
1140
01:33:07,650 --> 01:33:08,884
Mick Rock.
1141
01:33:12,154 --> 01:33:13,756
Final roll.
1142
01:33:14,389 --> 01:33:16,358
You know what he said
working with me was like?
1143
01:33:16,391 --> 01:33:17,760
Tell 'em. Tell 'em.
1144
01:33:17,793 --> 01:33:20,095
- You said it.
- It's like doing crack.
1145
01:33:20,128 --> 01:33:21,630
It's fucking like doing crack.
1146
01:33:27,169 --> 01:33:29,404
Everybody scream.
Can't keep it straight.
1147
01:33:39,748 --> 01:33:41,149
You smell good.
1148
01:33:42,951 --> 01:33:44,352
Kisses all around.
1149
01:33:46,021 --> 01:33:48,423
Oh, oh, oh.
1150
01:33:48,456 --> 01:33:50,025
Oh, yeah.
One more.
1151
01:33:50,058 --> 01:33:51,660
One more.
1152
01:33:54,296 --> 01:33:56,298
- You're fabulous.
- Oh.
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