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[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "BAD
COMPANY"]
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BAD COMPANY: [SINGING]
Company always on the run.
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Destiny with the rising sun.
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I was born six gun in my hand.
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Behind a gun, I'll
make my final stand.
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That's why call bad company.
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I won't deny.
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Bad till the day we die.
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Oh, you're beautiful.
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Thank you.
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What you get is rough
and ready, but it's real.
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I was always aware of
music, because in my home
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in Middlesbrough we
always had the radio on.
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It was on all the-- all day.
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So we listened to things.
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Elvis would come on or Frank
Sinatra, and lots of the pop
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in through the '50s,
and I didn't really
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realize I was influenced
by it, but looking back I
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think I was at, you know?
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I first got into music--
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oh, god-- when I was about 13.
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I was brought up on
the border of Wales
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in a little place called
Newcastle on Clun.
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Logically speaking,
I was a late starter
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because I didn't start
playing till I was 18, but I--
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my first intro into
playing in bands
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was in a local dance
band, if you will,
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you know, playing standards,
and piano, and accordion, all
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that sort of thing.
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I saw my first TV program
at about I guess 14.
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It was called "All That Jazz,"
and it had featured big band
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jazz, you know,
swing bands, and I
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was fascinated by the drummer.
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MICK RALPHS: And I just learned
to sort of pick up by ear,
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you know, chord changes
and what have you.
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I think I was not really doing
that much musically at all,
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and then I got involved with
some local bands in Hereford,
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which ended up being the
basis of Mott the Hoople,
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you know-- from
all different guys
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from different local
bands, but to that
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point, it was just playing
like in local village halls,
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you know, the usual stuff.
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It wasn't until, oh, I suppose
I became a teenager, really,
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that I started to be interested
in the pop music of the day,
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which-- which was the Beatles,
and the Stones, et cetera,
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but when I heard the
Rolling Stones sing "I Just
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Want to Make Love to You," which
was-- it's an old blues song,
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I heard something different
from the normal from the pop,
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really, although I still loved
the Beatles and the Stones.
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And I dug a little deeper and
discovered blues, really--
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Muddy Waters, and Howlin' Wolf,
and John Lee Hooker, and it
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was a whole new world to me.
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That's the thing that
really deeply influenced me.
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I've always tried to emulate
those guys because when I
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heard, say, you
know, Wilson Pickett
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singing or Elmore James, you
know, and they'd-- they'd hit
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a certain--
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a way of singing,
and I'd go that's it.
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That's the way to
do it, you know?
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I went to two
Windsor jazz festivals,
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and that really opened
my eyes, but I knew
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that I wanted to be a drummer.
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I wanted to try my
hand at playing drums,
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so I made a deal
with my parents.
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After I got my A-levels,
give me two years,
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and if nothing nothing
happens in two years,
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I'll go to university.
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And it was during those
two years that, you know,
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I came down to London,
did all sorts of jobs,
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answered auditions,
and in the last couple
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of months of those
two years I met Paul
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Kossoff and Black Cat Bones.
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So, you know, the
drawbridge was coming down,
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and I was fully prepared
to go to university.
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My father bought me
a six string guitar.
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Actually, that's how I
got into music, really,
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because that made me eligible to
join the class band at school,
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you see?
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All you had to do is
have an instrument.
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So we started playing together
in somebody's kitchen,
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and I stayed with it.
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I switched from six string.
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We needed a bass
player, so I traded
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that in and got myself a bass.
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And I played bass for a
while and sang, and then I--
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I put the bass down and just
focused on singing, you know?
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Because that's what the
band wanted me to do,
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but I always found that it
was helpful to be able to play
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piano and guitar
acoustically, electrically,
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and the bass for songwriting
when I would write
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on any of those instruments.
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I was with a band
called Brown Sugar,
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and they started playing a riff.
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Dum, dum, dum.
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Dum, dum, dum.
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And I start to sing
lyrics over that,
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and it was like
long, dusty road.
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Long, dusty road to nowhere.
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Dun, dun.
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And I said to the guys, well,
did you write that riff?
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And they said, oh, no it's
some old blues riff, you see?
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But that's what made me
think, ah, then if I come
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up with my own riff, you know?
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So anyway, to cut a long story
short I came up with a riff.
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Do, do, do, do, do, do, do,
do, do, do, do, do, do, do,
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and then I wrote
"Walk in My Shadow,"
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which that was the
first song I wrote,
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and that appeared on the "Tons
of Sobs" album with Free.
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And once-- once that had
happened, I was kind of off
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and running, really,
because I thought,
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wow, I can write songs now.
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You know?
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I ran into Paul Kossoff
at this gig, the Nags Head.
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You know, the blues boom
was-- was huge in London
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at that time, and I
didn't think the Black
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Cat Bones were that good,
but Kossoff was wonderful.
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And I said during the break--
you know, he came off stage.
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I said, oh, you know,
I think you're great,
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but I think your
drummer is crap.
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And he said, well, it's
funny you should say that,
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because he's leaving
tonight, and we're
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having auditions tomorrow.
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So anyway, I went along.
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Long story short, I got the
job, and I played with Kos
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in Black Cat Bones for about
six months, during which time
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he said I know this
great singer who's
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in a band called Brown Sugar.
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And he's leaving, and
he wants to form a band,
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and, you know, would
you like to come along?
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And I said, yeah.
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And, you know, so
there was three of us.
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And then we had to
find a bass player,
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and we knew Alexis Korner,
who mentored Paul Kossoff.
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He was a family
friend, and he said
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I know this great
little kid, Andy Fraser.
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He's just-- he was playing with
John Mayall for six months.
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We went, whoa.
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And he's just got
the sack, and we
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were just staggered
that a 15-year-old kid
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could play that well.
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And we asked him later if
he'd like to join the band.
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We had a rehearsal there the
first time the four of us
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got together, and
during those rehearsals,
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Alexis came along just
to see us, you know?
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And we were stumped
for a name, and he'd
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been in a band
called Free at Last
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with Graham Bond and Baker.
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And he said, you know, why
don't you call the band Free?
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And so we said, yeah, OK.
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And then we played--
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Alexis took us on the road
for a couple of months.
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We did about, I guess, 12
or 15 shows with Alexis,
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and we were off and running.
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[music - free, "all right now"]
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FREE: [SINGING] There
she stood in the street,
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smiling from her
head to her feet.
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I said, hey, what is this?
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Now, baby, baby, she's
in need of a kiss.
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I said, hey!
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What's you name, baby?
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Maybe we can see
things the same.
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Now don't you worry or hesitate.
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Let's move before they
raise the parking rate.
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All right now.
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Baby, it's all right now.
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All right now.
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Baby, it's all right now.
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SIMON KIRKE: We
were a blues band,
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I mean, but we were a little
bit more than a blues band.
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We wanted to be like a
progressive blues band,
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not just rock me, baby, and,
you know, the old standards.
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We wanted to do--
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you know, we wanted to
write our own stuff.
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[music - free, "all right now"]
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[SINGING] To my
place, watching
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every move on her face.
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PAUL ROGERS: And I
didn't really realize
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I was a songwriter until we--
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until Island Records stuck
a publishing contract
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in front of me and said, OK.
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I said, what's this?
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He said, this is the
publishing contract,
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and we want you to sign it.
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Blah, blah, dah, dah.
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And I said, it says,
well, songwriter.
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He says, yeah, you're
a songwriter now.
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You've got songs on the album.
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I went-- that was the
moment I realized, hey,
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I'm a songwriter, you know?
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And then they stole
them all with a contact.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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We played hundreds
of shows, and we
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built up a very good following.
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And "All Right Now" was a
sort of a catalyst thing,
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whereby it just blew
everything up in a nice way.
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I mean, the fact that we were
now on TV, top of the pops,
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or whatever, you know, we were
available to a lot of people.
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I remember the first thing that
we did behind "All Right Now."
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We were playing--
instead of playing
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towns one after the other,
we were playing countries,
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you know?
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Holland, France, Belgium,
Germany, Scandinavia.
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Whereas before, it was just,
you know, up and down the M1
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down to Cornwall and back.
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So it was a lot of pressure,
and ultimately it--
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it brought about
our demise, I think.
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Well, we've been working for--
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for two years fairly solidly
around England and Europe.
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And we'd had a couple of
singles out and two albums,
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which had done fairly well, you
know, but nothing phenomenal.
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And then-- then "All Right
Now" came along, you know,
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and sort of was a hit in just
about every major country.
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And it opened up the
market incredibly,
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and we found that we
are playing to countries
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that normally where we would
probably never gone to.
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WOMAN: What are
you intending to do
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when they get back to England?
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Rest.
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Get a long rest.
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Not many people
know, but we did
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two Isle of Wight Festivals.
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And the first one, which was
not the big one, was in '69,
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and we did about
a 20 minute set,
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but the big one was,
of course, in 1970.
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We had the hit, and it
was while we were waiting
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to go on the ferry Pete
Townsend came up and knocked
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on our transit window, and
said I love that fucking song
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of yours, and then walked off.
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And we're going, wow.
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[music - free, "all right now"]
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[SINGING] All right now.
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Baby, it's all right.
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SIMON KIRKE: Kossoff's demise
started after the first break.
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We had the disappointment--
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the follow up tour right now.
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You know, we had "Highway"
after "Fire and Water."
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We released "Stealer," which
I thought was a great song,
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but it wasn't a hit record.
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That didn't do very well.
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"Highway" didn't do very well.
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So we took it personally, and
Andy and Paul made the decision
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that after "Highway" after
the world tour that was it,
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and it broke our hearts.
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I'll be honest.
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It really-- it upset me, but
it devastated [inaudible].
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So you know, I know now
that he was an addict--
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what I know now about
addiction, because I'm
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in the program meself.
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And he was born an addict,
and-- and this breakup
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completely devastated him.
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[cheering]
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MICK RALPHS: The basis of
Mott the Hoople was formed
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in a band we had in Hereford.
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Pete Watts himself, Verden
Allen, Dale Griffin,
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the drummer and a singer.
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Of course, Stan,
Stan [inaudible].
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He was the original
singer, and we
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went to London to try and
get a foot in the door
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with Island Records and--
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in the days when they
were [inaudible].
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You know, it is getting
frustrating because you'd
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sit around all day, and wait,
and then somebody would say,
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oh, he's gone home for the day.
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I was trying to see Guy Stevens.
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So in the end, I just burst
into his office one day.
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I said, I'm fed up
with doing-- you know,
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I'm not going to come all
the way down from Hereford
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and waste my time,
blah, blah, blah.
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And he said, oh, come in.
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I like your attitude,
and sort of that sort of
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sparked it off with Guy,
because Guy Stevens was
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then in the early days violent.
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And he was the A&R man, if
you will, looking for talent.
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And he liked the band.
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He wanted to replace the
singer, you know, for the--
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for the look, and the image,
and all the rest of it.
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So that's how we
came across Ian,
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and Guy Stevens
liked the look of him
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with the shades
and the curly hair.
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And that was the basis of--
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the start of Mott, really, yeah.
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The first I met Mick
was sometime in '69, I
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would imagine, walking
in for the audition
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in-- in Regent Sound.
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We had a good live
following, but we
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couldn't really sell records.
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We weren't that
commercially successful.
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We tried different
styles, different albums,
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different singles
to the point that we
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were getting very frustrated
and losing money-- decided
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to knock it on the head.
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And unbeknownst to us, David
Bowie had heard about this.
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Suggested we do one of
his songs that he was
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willing to offer to us to do.
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We were already dead to radio.
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We'd had a couple of
singles out already,
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and radio just
didn't want to know,
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but we also knew we
had to keep-- you know,
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we were filling
everywhere, and you
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don't fill everywhere
over a long period of time
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if you don't have a hit.
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So it was getting to the point
where something had to happen.
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And he came back with "Dudes."
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MICK RALPHS: So he--
he sent us the tape--
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reel to reel tape with "All
the Young Dudes" on one--
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on one track, and "Suffragette
City" was the other one.
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And a nice handwritten letter.
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And we loved the song of course.
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And then he said, well, why
don't you come record it,
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and I'll produce it for you?
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But that really turned
out fortunes around.
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[MUSIC - MOTT THE HOOPLE, "ALL
THE YOUNG DUDES"]
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MOTT THE HOOPLE: [SINGING]
All the young dudes.
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Hey, dudes.
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Carry the news.
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Where are you?
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Boogaloo dudes.
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Stand up.
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Carry the news.
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MICK RALPHS: Suddenly
you get a break,
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and then the band changes
into a different--
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so it wasn't the
same band for me.
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It had lost its
underground sort of sub--
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subversive feel,
and it had become
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more of a sort of a
pop band, you know,
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and the top of the pops.
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And Ian got into writing
songs in a certain vein that
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were kind of based on "All the
Young Dudes," which is great,
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you know.
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IAN HUNTER: Pete Watts,
the bass player, and Mick--
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they were the two writers.
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They didn't really want a
writer, and then after a while,
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Pete Watts couldn't be bothered.
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So I just started doing
it, you know, with Mick.
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It-- it went away from the
original concept of Mott,
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and I wanted to play
something a bit more earthy,
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a bit more rough, if you like.
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And that's when I
hooked up with Paul.
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He was out supporting
us on Mott the--
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on Mott the Hoople tour with a
band he had then called Peace,
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and because we'd all--
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we'd always liked his singing
anyway from the Free days.
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And we got on really well,
and I had a load of songs
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that we weren't doing with
Mott that I'd written.
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Mick was coming in
with "Ready for Love."
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He came in with
"Can't Get Enough."
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And I couldn't sing them.
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Paul was the sort of guy
that could sing the sort
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of songs I was writing.
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And it was really sad, because
we had a very powerful band
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that was selling out everywhere,
but it was just pissing him
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off, and I knew exactly how he
felt, because if it had been
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him that had the couple of hits
on that particular record, then
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I would have probably left.
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So it was an unfortunate
kind of situation.
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Initially we were
just going to record
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some stuff [inaudible].
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We didn't-- we hadn't thought
about forming a group then.
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We just to-- record
some songs that we had,
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and I had some songs.
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He had some songs.
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We worked together really well.
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PAUL ROGERS: With Mick's
songs, I can step into them.
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You know, with things like
"Simple Man," "Moving On,"
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"Can't Get Enough of Your
Love," I can step into them,
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and-- and they're very simple.
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And that leaves me a lot
of room to play, you know,
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and do my vocal thing.
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It was very funny,
because it was just Paul
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and I writing songs,
and, you know,
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working out stuff together.
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And Simon turned up one day
from one of his world jaunts
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to wherever.
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They said, well,
you know, you want
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to-- you want to get a band
together, and I was in Brazil.
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And I called--
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I believe I called Paul
to see how-- you know,
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how things were.
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And he said, look, he fancied
me playing drums in this band
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that me and Mick are
putting together.
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And I love Mick.
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Mick was so funny.
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I mean, I love him to this day.
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He's just a great character, and
he's a very, very good player.
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So I said, yeah, man.
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I'd love to.
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Well, we were putting
the band together
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with Mick at my cottage,
and I had a friend of mine,
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Clive Coulson had
worked for Free earlier.
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And he came round to my place,
and he now worked with Led
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Zeppelin, and we got talking.
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And I said, well,
we need a manager.
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And he said, well,
you know, why don't
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you give Peter Grant a call?
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Because they have just formed
a new company, Swan Song,
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and they're kind of, you
know, talent scouting.
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It was a mark
of accomplishment
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for a rock superstar to
have their own label.
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You know, The Beatles had Apple.
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And then The Rolling
Stones, had Rolling
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Stones Records, and
then Jefferson Airplane
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had Grunt Records.
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So for one thing, it
was a mark of status
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to have their own label
and to be able to develop
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some other artists.
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And so I gave them a
call, you know, and--
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and he said-- and it
was kind of nervy,
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really, because there's--
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I'm-- there's me
calling this, you know,
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manager of Led Zeppelin,
who were bigger
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than God at the time, you know?
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DANNY GOLDBERG: The members
of Led Zeppelin and Peter
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thought they had
good taste in music
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and that they could do a good
job of picking some artists
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and attracting them, because
Zeppelin was at the time
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the biggest band in the
world commercially in terms
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of their concert sales, and
their record sales, and so on,
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and that it would be
a prestigious thing
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for a new act to say, hey,
I'm on Led Zeppelin's label.
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MICK RALPHS: And
luckily he-- he said
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he'd be interested
in hearing us,
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which we couldn't
believe our luck.
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And he arranged to come
and see us at a rehearsal
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shortly after that.
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PAUL ROGERS: He
said, yeah, yeah.
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He said, yeah, I'm
interested in you, yeah.
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And then he came round,
and I said well, Peter,
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I come with a band, you know?
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And we're going to be
called Bad Company.
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And they weren't
sure about that.
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I've had problems in
the past with names,
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but, you know, I wanted
to stick to my guns,
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and Bad Company it is.
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Bad Company it was.
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Funny thing was, when
we were rehearsing, he--
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we didn't know he was there.
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We were rehearsing in this
village hall in Surrey
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in [inaudible] and
looking at the watch
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and said, well, he'll
be here in a minute.
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And we carried on playing, and
then it was 2 o'clock, then
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it was 3 o'clock, then it
was 4 o'clock, and 5 o'clock.
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By the time it came
about 6:00, Paul said,
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oh, this is ridiculous and
he's not going to turn up.
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We must be kidding
ourselves, you know?
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And we all got really pissed
off, and played like vengeance,
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and decided to go to the pub.
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And when we went
out to the hall,
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there was Peter sitting in his
car, and Paul said something.
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Well, you turned up then.
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He said, well, I've been
here for ages actually.
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He said I didn't
want to come in,
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and I just wanted to hear
you in your natural state.
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Thinking he was late, we all
got pissed off and played,
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you know, demonically,
which he thought was great.
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And then he took us on, yeah.
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PAUL ROGERS: He liked
what we were doing.
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We had-- we had "Rocky Steady."
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We had "Can't Get
Enough of Your Love."
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We were playing "Bad
Company," the song.
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So we had some good
songs going on, you know?
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Some were mine.
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Some were mine and Paul's.
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Some were Paul's, you
know, but, yes, that
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was the basic essence of it.
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PAUL ROGERS: Peter said to me
I'm not going to sign you guys.
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What we'll do this-- what
we'll do-- we'll just try it.
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We'll just try it for six months
on a basis of a handshake,
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and so I said, OK, let's go.
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MICK RALPHS: He was one
of the lads, you know?
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He was very much on the
side of the musician,
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you know, and didn't
stand any nonsense
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from the business side of it.
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Don't fucking talk to me.
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It's my bloody act.
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[inaudible] leave you anytime.
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You couldn't even give
them a starting line.
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Peter did what was
good for Zeppelin.
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Peter understood that the extra
money that they were paying
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the agency after a
certain point was
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wasted because Zeppelin
didn't need an agent anymore
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in his opinion.
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Promoters all wanted them, and
he also renegotiated the money
485
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,960
on behalf of the band
with promoters, too,
486
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,040
and kind of was the
architect of what's
487
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,520
called a 90/10 deal, which
meant the artist would
488
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,240
make 90% of the net.
489
00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:45,600
Prior to that, 50/50
was the paradigm.
490
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,520
Peter was a real trailblazer
in terms of getting
491
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,600
more money for artists.
492
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,760
MICK RALPHS: He was very
keen to let us be ourselves.
493
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,800
He didn't impose himself in
production, or song choice,
494
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,160
or anything like that.
495
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,000
He just wanted us to do
what we wanted to do.
496
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,440
DANNY GOLDBERG: Peter really
believed in Bad Company,
497
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,560
and I remember when he
first gave me the record,
498
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,400
and I heard it, and I
think I went to his studio
499
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,320
and heard some
music, and met them
500
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,680
or whatever, he was
very worried that I
501
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,120
wasn't sufficiently excited.
502
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,320
And he really--
503
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,600
Peter Grant was 300 pounds.
504
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,160
He'd been a former
professional wrestler.
505
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,240
He was an extremely
intimidating guy to begin with,
506
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:24,120
and he was very insistent
that I understand
507
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,920
how much this meant to him and
how strongly he felt about it.
508
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,200
It was all very
gentlemanly, and he said,
509
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,640
you know, you do the music, and
I'll take care of the business.
510
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,520
And he did.
511
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,000
You know, he was great.
512
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:38,800
I mean, he divided
his time between us
513
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,280
and Zeppelin at the
time, because both doing
514
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,640
big stuff in America by then.
515
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,200
SIMON KIRKE: Because
he wasn't that
516
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,400
savvy about music, which was
probably one of his saving
517
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,760
graces.
518
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,000
You know, he didn't know
if F went with A minor
519
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:52,080
or with that bit went with that.
520
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,320
He just knew what he felt, and--
521
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,640
and I remember him
saying to Robert
522
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,400
Plant and-- and Paul at the
time was, you know, you want--
523
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,800
I just want you to
wear something bright
524
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,320
and jump up and down a bit.
525
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,240
It was a very knee jerk
reaction that he had for things,
526
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,920
and he had this incredible
business acumen, as well.
527
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,240
Plus this 300 pound wrestler--
528
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,680
ex-wrestler persona behind me--
529
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,160
I mean, he was wonderful.
530
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,760
Whenever he'd come to
a show, at some point,
531
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,600
he'd come to every crew member,
look you straight in the eye,
532
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,680
and say, is
everything all right?
533
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,080
Is there anything
that I can do for you?
534
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,600
And he meant it.
535
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,200
He not only looked
after his band.
536
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,000
He looked after everybody.
537
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,480
If you were in, you were
in, but by the same time,
538
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,280
if you did something wrong
against Bad Company or Led
539
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,080
Zeppelin, you might as
well just pack your shit
540
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,960
because you were done.
541
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:44,920
Did we get on with him?
542
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,800
Yes.
543
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,200
Well, yes and no.
544
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,800
I, being the naive country
kid, questioned him
545
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,280
about his underworld dealings.
546
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,520
Great.
547
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,640
I must've been out
of my fucking mind.
548
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,520
I said, Mr. Grant, I
understand that you have some--
549
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,960
I can't believe that I said it--
550
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,760
you have connections with
the London underworld.
551
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,320
Is this true?
552
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,760
And he was totally straight.
553
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,040
He says, no.
554
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,600
And then the next
band meeting we
555
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,400
had he pulled out
this submachine gun
556
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,120
full of ping pong
balls and went--
557
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,680
and I'm ducking.
558
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,760
But that was me, you know?
559
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,600
The completely naive, green--
560
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,760
and he loved me for it.
561
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,200
What he did for
us was wonderful,
562
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,760
and I think of him most days.
563
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,640
I loved him.
564
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,680
He was like a dad to me.
565
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,080
PAUL ROGERS: We didn't
even-- hadn't even
566
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,920
settled on a bass
player at the time,
567
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,600
although I liked the
guy we were trying.
568
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,840
It was a Welsh guy.
569
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,440
He didn't want the
gig, strange enough,
570
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:40,680
so we had to keep looking.
571
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,800
We had the three of us.
572
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,040
Simon, myself,
and Paul for ages.
573
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,800
We kept trying out all these
different bass players,
574
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,920
and they were all very good,
but they didn't quite-- for me,
575
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,800
they didn't quite
click chemistry-wise.
576
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,240
SIMON KIRKE: Boz wasn't even
there in the lineup when
577
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,600
Peter Grant came to see him.
578
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,000
MICK RALPHS: No, he came
in at the last minute--
579
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:57,200
Boz.
580
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,800
We were desperate
to do this record,
581
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,520
and-- and we took him on not
knowing what we'd taken on,
582
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,160
but it turned out to be great.
583
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,000
You know, he was
a real character.
584
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,640
I took to him straight
away, because he wasn't that
585
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,080
experienced on the bass
then, and I loved it when
586
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,600
he turned up for rehearsals.
587
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,080
All the other bass players
were so dead keen to play.
588
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,400
We said the Boz, what
do you want to do?
589
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,800
He said, listen, I
want to go to the pub.
590
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,000
Let's go to the pub.
591
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:20,080
You know, he didn't
want to play.
592
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,680
He just wanted to hang out.
593
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,320
So I thought that was great.
594
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,320
So of course we went to the
pub and got completely pissed,
595
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,640
played a load of rubbish,
and said he was in.
596
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,200
And then next day Paul phones
up and said, what was he like?
597
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,080
I said, I don't know.
598
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,680
I was drunk.
599
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,760
He said, so was I. He said,
I think I gave him the job.
600
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,120
We had a list of bass
players, and Boz was right
601
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,360
at the bottom-- number 16.
602
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,440
I'll never forget--
because we weren't
603
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,080
really big fans of [inaudible].
604
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,920
MICK RALPHS: [inaudible].
605
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,360
Paul [inaudible].
606
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,200
Yeah, we-- we
kept auditioning.
607
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,360
We auditioned for months.
608
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,560
And one guy we just kept trying
because he looked so bad.
609
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,680
He was dribbling a bit.
610
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,080
Oh, and we had [inaudible].
611
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,400
And Boz was the last guy.
612
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,920
And we auditioned a
lot of bass players.
613
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,040
Sorry bass
players [inaudible].
614
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,160
You were wonderful.
- Yeah.
615
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,080
Yeah.
616
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,440
They were all great.
617
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,200
MICK RALPHS: But Boz
was the last resort,
618
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,800
and it happened to be--
619
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,120
SIMON KIRKE: One of them looked
exactly like Eric Clapton.
620
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:13,960
We couldn't have him
in the band because he
621
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,160
looked too much like--
622
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,160
MICK RALPHS: You
said that [inaudible]
623
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,320
why couldn't get [inaudible].
624
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,480
I had all these
reasons [inaudible]
625
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,160
look like Eric
Clapton [inaudible]
626
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,320
phoning [inaudible].
627
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,240
He could stand up there
and stare at 50,000 people,
628
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,400
play bass like it was nothing.
629
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,720
He absolutely had that thing.
630
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,960
The ability to do it--
631
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,440
he had it in abundance.
632
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,200
The desire to do it-- if
there was anything that made
633
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,440
him uncomfortable, it was that.
634
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,720
It certainly wasn't the music.
635
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,920
MICK RALPHS: But
he was endearing,
636
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,960
and I loved Boz,
because he was actually
637
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,000
a singer first and foremost.
638
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,640
Boz was the singer
and King Crimson.
639
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,000
I only knew he
was a bass player.
640
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,320
MICK RALPHS: He bluffed it.
641
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,720
He said it said bass
player/singer wanted,
642
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,800
and he couldn't play
the bass at all.
643
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,120
So Robert Fripp taught him
how to play the basics,
644
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,720
and then of course he
improved and learned more
645
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,920
about the instrument
from then on.
646
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,280
PAUL ROGERS: And he played the
bass in a very melodic manner.
647
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,000
It was a strange thing
for him at the time
648
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:07,320
because obviously his peers were
Jack Bruce, and Alan Spenner,
649
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,840
and all these
amazing bass players.
650
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,040
So he was like--
651
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,840
he had to get in
there real hard.
652
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,440
Get his stuff together, which
he did real quick, actually,
653
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,480
and developed quite a
phenomenal technique compared
654
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,360
to most rock bass players,
because he had a very
655
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,280
exacting technique on the bass.
656
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,720
PAUL ROGERS: He could
play some high things.
657
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,040
Do, do, do, do.
658
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,160
You know?
What was that?
659
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,160
"Ready for Love" or something?
660
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,400
Yeah, the slides.
661
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,760
Yeah, he does some really--
662
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,520
He also-- he played
a fretless bass,
663
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,000
which is very hard to do--
664
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,200
an Ampeg scroll neck.
665
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,640
ZOOT MONEY: I thought
he was actually
666
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320
going to develop it, and
develop it with a company,
667
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,880
and get his own thing.
668
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,360
It was very, very
useful in certain tunes
669
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,600
where it could go
lower than most
670
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,080
and could actually slide about.
671
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,280
Difficult to play because
you don't have any, you know,
672
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,200
frets making it obvious
where everything is.
673
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,920
So you have to be
pretty accurate.
674
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,960
I had never worked with
a fretless bass before,
675
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,480
and I was really intrigued.
676
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,320
It's a very kind of
provocative sound.
677
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,640
You know, it's got a
very interesting aspect.
678
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,800
I had just been
working with basic rock
679
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,440
and roll bass players that
went bum, bum, bum, bum.
680
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,960
And he came more from
an R&B background,
681
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,360
and I thought it was
perfect for the band.
682
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,240
When he first joined the band,
he came up with great ideas--
683
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:28,000
unusual, like that that skipped
beat beat in "Burning Sky."
684
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:30,680
That was his idea, and it just--
685
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,480
No, had some really--
he was really inventive.
686
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,920
And "Gone Gone Gone."
687
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,480
You know, he wrote a song
called "Gone Gone Gone."
688
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,800
If we were playing in D,
we'd play in F sharp instead
689
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,120
of the D. You know,
he always found
690
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,920
not the obvious thing
to play, and didn't
691
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,080
feel like making course.
692
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,000
He doesn't actually
play the do do.
693
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,440
He just come on the push.
694
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,320
Everybody else does-- bass
player goes do do bum.
695
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,400
But he didn't do the do do.
696
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,760
He just went bum.
697
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,120
SIMON KIRKE: He was not
your normal bass player.
698
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,760
MICK RALPHS: So he left
holes, which was great.
699
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,320
And I remember years ago, we
were doing all these interviews
700
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,000
in America, you know,
when we'd just come out,
701
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,040
and it was going on about how
great the rhythm section was.
702
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,840
And they were saying to Boz
we really like your style.
703
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,920
It's so economical.
704
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,200
So [inaudible].
705
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,560
I didn't want to play,
so I just stopped.
706
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,040
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "SIMPLE
MAN"]
707
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,040
BAD COMPANY: [SINGING]
Oh, we're gonna make it.
708
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,200
Typically understated.
709
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,800
He was a very deep
thinker about music.
710
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,320
You know, Boz-- Boz was
very, very passionate.
711
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,400
He wasn't just somebody who
likes music or loved music.
712
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,480
He was a musicologist,
and he's-- you know,
713
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,640
you could go as
deep as you wanted
714
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,880
to about classical music.
715
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,240
He was massive Schoenberg fan.
716
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,200
He introduced me
to George Russell's
717
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,240
Lydian chromatic concept
of tonal organization
718
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,800
when I was about 12.
719
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,680
He was-- you know, he was
very, very deep into music,
720
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,240
so his ideas of space
and time passing notes
721
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,840
were thought about a lot.
722
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,680
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "SIMPLE
MAN"]
723
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,040
BAD COMPANY: [SINGING]
I'm just a simple man.
724
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:55,920
Yeah.
725
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:11,160
Freedom is the only
thing means a damn to me.
726
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,040
I'm just a simple man.
727
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,440
SIMON KIRKE: I got to say, the
first few years in Bad Company
728
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:26,280
were the happiest of my life
because we had four guys who
729
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,400
were just having fun, and
we didn't have to worry
730
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,920
about guitars falling over.
731
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,040
We didn't have to worry
about deadlines to meet.
732
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,040
We-- we had a superb management.
733
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,600
We-- we had--
everything was clear.
734
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,560
All it-- it was only
left for us to play,
735
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,400
and-- and there was such a sense
of relief after Free that--
736
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,240
I'm speaking for
myself, not for Paul.
737
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,720
You know, I just--
738
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,240
I loved it.
739
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,280
And we could do no wrong.
740
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,560
It was just wonderful.
741
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,880
MICK RALPHS: We all
got on famously.
742
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,440
We were-- there was a
lot of energy there,
743
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,120
you know, the four of us.
744
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,320
PAUL ROGERS: I think there was--
745
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,920
there was a compatibility.
746
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,200
I can sing Mick's songs, you
know, and he can play mine.
747
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,000
So that's really probably
the nucleus of the band--
748
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,640
was that-- really
that song writing
749
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,160
team, because that's how we
hooked up in the first place.
750
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,960
To me it was
immediately an advantage
751
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,080
because it's hard to take on
the role of songwriting for--
752
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,720
songwriting is really the
lifeblood of any band,
753
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,200
and it's a tough call to keep
on coming up with new stuff
754
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,840
all the time, you know?
755
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,680
And there's also that sense of
a little bit of competition.
756
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,320
You did that, so I'll do this.
- Yeah.
757
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,520
And you know,
I mean, you could
758
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,200
throw songs at each other.
759
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,840
And there's also the thing of I
can't get this thing finished.
760
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,040
Why do you got any
ideas for this?
761
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:42,920
And then you can--
762
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,840
Chuck a bit in.
763
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,200
Amalgamate ideas.
764
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,560
Oh, I've got a bit
that would work with--
765
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:47,920
- That's right.
- And off you go.
766
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:48,680
- [inaudible].
- Yeah.
767
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,160
Yeah.
Yeah.
768
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,880
Well, "Feel Like Making
Love" was a classic example.
769
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Paul had the riffs,
and had the riff,
770
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,800
and they just worked together.
771
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,400
We really captured what we're
singing about, you know?
772
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,720
Yeah.
773
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,360
The boy bit and the
girl bit, but Simon's
774
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,920
a great writer, as well.
775
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,680
He's written some
great stuff, and I
776
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,040
think that's why he's so good
to play with as a drummer,
777
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,440
because he does
understand music,
778
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,960
but he's not just a drummer.
779
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,240
You know, he's great drummer,
but he also plays guitar
780
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,960
and piano, sings, write songs.
781
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,880
So he has great
empathy for a song.
782
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,360
As a guitar player, I
find that great as--
783
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,920
in a drummer that actually
listens to the words
784
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,480
and takes the dynamics where
the song is going instead
785
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,640
of just crashing through it.
786
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,160
Like some drummers will just--
787
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,160
I'm the drummer.
788
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,840
We'll you see you at the end.
789
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,360
He rides through
song beautifully.
790
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,120
- Thank you, man.
- You know, up and down.
791
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,640
Oh, yeah.
792
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,200
I think really that's the
only way to be, you know?
793
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,600
I-- I can't do it--
794
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,120
I couldn't work with that.
795
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,120
I can't be doing with
people that aren't listening.
796
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,640
What's that?
797
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,160
That's not-- music is actually
listening to each other,
798
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,200
and reacting, and
bouncing off each other.
799
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,760
That is what it is, you know?
800
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,920
It's not-- do you
know what I mean?
801
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,080
MICK RALPHS: Absolutely.
802
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,120
PAUL ROGERS: It
would drive me nuts
803
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,240
if everybody was
playing and just
804
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,760
not listening to each other.
805
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,240
It's all about me,
blah, blah, blah.
806
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,400
MICK RALPHS: We've all
played with people like that
807
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,600
in various jam situations.
808
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,760
PAUL ROGERS: Yeah,
but not for long.
809
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,440
MICK RALPHS: And
then you realize
810
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,680
how lucky we are because, you
know, it's not about technique
811
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,200
or, you know, showing off.
812
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,360
No, it's about feeling.
813
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,920
It's about playing
other people.
814
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,120
Everybody knew that this
was going to be-- it just--
815
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,640
it was right.
816
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,320
It was Paul Rogers, Mick
Ralphs, and Simon all together.
817
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Everybody knew it was good.
818
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,680
To give you the example,
the first UK tour they
819
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,080
did there was no album out.
820
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,720
There was no single out.
821
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,760
It was pretty much word of mouth
that the band was together,
822
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,560
and they sold out
a national tour
823
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,720
as it was then Hammersmith
Odeon, Newcastle City Hall,
824
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,320
like the headlining thing.
825
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,680
You couldn't get a ticket,
and they didn't have an album.
826
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,000
It was just simply
word of mouth,
827
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,680
and it was completely sold out.
828
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,160
SIMON KIRKE: We were seasoned
veterans in our early '20s,
829
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,920
and we had a great repertoire.
830
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,160
We-- we'd been around a bit, and
we had the backing of the Led
831
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,600
bloody Zeppelin and Pete
Grant, who is possibly the best
832
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,440
manager I ever worked with.
833
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,840
We had a good set.
834
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,360
We had-- you know, Paul
was a great singer.
835
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,640
We-- we could do no wrong.
836
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,160
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "GOOD
LOVIN GONE BAD"]
837
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,160
[SINGING] If I hear you
knocking upon my door,
838
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,480
ain't no way that I'm
gonna answer then.
839
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,199
Cheating is one thing,
and lying is another.
840
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,600
When I say it's over, that's it.
841
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,000
I'm gonna quit.
842
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,400
SIMON KIRKE: I believe the
first album went to number one,
843
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,280
or was it Bachman Turner
Overdrive beat us by--
844
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,600
I don't know.
845
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,199
There's always someone
just preventing us,
846
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,560
but it was a great debut album.
847
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,960
And we were off and running.
848
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,840
Peter phoned me, or
Paul, or both of us
849
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,520
and said we've got this
Ronnie Lane's mobile studio
850
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,280
and this empty house,
and Zeppelin aren't going
851
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,120
to go in there because
Bonzo is not well,
852
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,800
and they want have
some weeks off.
853
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,560
Why don't you go in there
and lay down some tracks?
854
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:48,560
We said, right.
855
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:49,920
We were in there like a shot.
856
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,440
And we had the
guitar in one room.
857
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,000
We had maybe the
vocal on the balcony
858
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,360
somewhere and had drums in the--
859
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,560
in the foyer.
860
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,720
It just was cool.
861
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,000
MICK RALPHS: Paul sang
outside, yeah, on one of the--
862
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,120
Bad Company in the--
863
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:04,600
in the moonlight.
864
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,120
PAUL ROGERS: We set the
mic up way out in the field
865
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:07,880
and everything, and
there's a full moon,
866
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,720
and the wind blowing across
it and stuff, you know.
867
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,440
And it was-- it was
incredibly atmospheric,
868
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,000
because I was standing
out there in the dark
869
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,400
with headphones on and just--
870
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:19,840
just-- I could just
hear the music,
871
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,080
you know, and just my voice.
872
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,880
And it was a very
cosmic place to be,
873
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,320
and it made for good atmosphere.
874
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,400
I suggested that
Paul sing outside.
875
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,520
It was a little chilly
night, and I remember that
876
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,920
because at the end of
the song "Bad Company,"
877
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,840
there's a little-- it goes
"and the cold wind blows."
878
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,640
You know, it's just a
little ad lib at the end
879
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,840
because he was really cold.
880
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,160
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "BAD
COMPANY"]
881
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:45,600
BAD COMPANY: [SINGING]
The cold wind blows.
882
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,160
These are the
days before reverb.
883
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,240
Before digital reverb you had
to have either a live chamber
884
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,040
or a plate.
885
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,840
You didn't have that in
a little mobile truck,
886
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,400
so you looked for little
nooks and crannies
887
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,840
that you could
create a sound with.
888
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,960
And lay down all the--
889
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,880
the backing tracks, vocals,
overdubs in two weeks, yeah.
890
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,720
It took 10 days.
891
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,520
We just slammed it down.
892
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,200
I think that one
of the things that
893
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,040
made that first album so
important was that, as a group,
894
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,480
they had gotten together.
895
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,640
And if you look at
Paul Rodgers, who
896
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,720
had an amazing run
with Free, but also
897
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,840
Andy Fraser as his other
writer in the group--
898
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120
Andy was much more an R&B guy.
899
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:38,360
Paul had some good balance
that he had stored,
900
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,240
and if you look at
Mott the Hoople,
901
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,080
Mick took a backseat
to Ian Hunter
902
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,440
in a lot of the
writing capacity.
903
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,600
And he had some good rockers
like "Can't Get Enough
904
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,040
of Your Love" and all that.
905
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,000
He put them together, and
those days, that rocker
906
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,200
guy and the ballad guy--
907
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,640
and you had a lot
of great material.
908
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,240
Well, we'd been rehearsing,
and we were bursting
909
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,600
to get this stuff done.
910
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,200
The interesting thing
was at that time we--
911
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,240
I didn't really have
too much of a vision
912
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,920
of what the band would be.
913
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,200
It was really a bunch of guys
with a bunch of songs, really,
914
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,040
and we put everything
down that we had.
915
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,600
RON NEVISON: We went down there
and recorded more material
916
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,240
than we needed, actually.
917
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,880
We had-- there was a song called
superstar women that I think
918
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,520
eventually came out, but--
919
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,960
that I really liked that
didn't make the cut.
920
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,480
PAUL ROGERS: So there was no--
921
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,080
no feeling of, well, you
they've all got-- all the songs
922
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,840
have got to sound this
way, or they've all got
923
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,760
to sound this way or that way.
924
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,040
There was everything from Bad
Company to Seagull, you know,
925
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,360
all of the songs.
926
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,480
And it-- it made for
an interesting album.
927
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,200
And I've always liked--
928
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,280
if there's such a thing as
a format for doing things,
929
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,520
that would be the best way.
930
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,280
Instead of saying,
well, all the songs
931
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,320
have got to be in a certain
sort of way, you know,
932
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,360
a certain character
or a certain thing,
933
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,120
they can be totally different.
934
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,800
The more different,
the better, I think.
935
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,320
RON NEVISON: It went
very quickly because they
936
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,320
were well rehearsed.
937
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,360
They had a lot of good ideas.
938
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,160
PAUL ROGERS: And the song
"Bad Company," for instance,
939
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,800
I had that--
940
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,360
having got the idea of this
sort of dark, mysterious vast
941
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,920
expanse of the Wild
West, you know,
942
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,800
this lawless, featureless
area where you want
943
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,720
to go out and try and settle.
944
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,080
And the chords seemed to
portray this feeling of being
945
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,400
way out there and being--
946
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,880
having to survive with yourself,
your family, whatever, however
947
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,760
you could in a lawless
world of-- of nature,
948
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,800
really, a wild place.
949
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,680
And so I had all the structure
of that, and Simon came around,
950
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,320
and I said, here's a
song I'm working on.
951
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,040
So Simon threw a few
lines in for me with that,
952
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,560
and that became "Bad Company."
953
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,760
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "BAD
COMPANY"]
954
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,000
[SINGING] Six gun in my hand.
955
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,960
Behind a gun, I'll
make final stand.
956
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,920
That's why they
call me bad company.
957
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,400
I can't deny.
958
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,440
Bad company till the day I die.
959
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,360
Yeah.
960
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,120
I mean we did tour
in England and Europe,
961
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,160
which was very well received.
962
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,560
The next step was-- the logical
step was going to the States,
963
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,440
and we did our first big
tour supporting Edgar Winter,
964
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,400
and then the following
winter we were headlining.
965
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,360
The first Bad Company
album, "Bad Co,"
966
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,360
was one of those rare records
that people heard it once,
967
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,400
and they liked it.
968
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,240
I remember I did
a press mailing,
969
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,840
and-- and two days
later I was at a party,
970
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,960
and Joan Downs who was then
the music writer and editor
971
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,520
for "Time" magazine
came up to me and said,
972
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,680
wow, Bad Company is great.
973
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,920
I was so surprised
that she knew--
974
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,440
bothered to listen to it,
or thought it was great.
975
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,160
And similarly, the song "Can't
Get Enough of Your Love"
976
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,520
was just so perfect for
American rock and roll radio
977
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,200
1974 that the promotion
people at Atlantic
978
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,880
were-- were very
delighted with the record.
979
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,280
One of the last
shows was in Boston,
980
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,920
and Peter Grant flew
up, and he always
981
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,120
had this habit of
giving us a little pep
982
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:28,600
talk before we went on.
983
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,160
He says, you had a good tour.
984
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,560
You've done well, and I just
want to show you something
985
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,160
before you go onstage.
986
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,720
And he whipped back
this towel on the table,
987
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,160
and there were four gold albums.
988
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,440
The first album had
been certified gold.
989
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,120
I mean, we just--
990
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,600
we had no idea, because there
was no internet in those days.
991
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,480
There was no-- you know,
we just didn't know
992
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,160
how well it was going, so anyway
he says [inaudible] well done,
993
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,800
boys.
994
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,000
Now get the fuck out of here
and go and do what you do well.
995
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:02,440
This was a bullseye in terms
of rock commerciality in 1974,
996
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,520
and there was very
little difficulty
997
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,720
in getting them on tour,
getting it on the radio,
998
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,240
getting press for them.
999
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,360
And it went to number
one very, very quickly.
1000
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,760
SIMON KIRKE: So when we came
back the next time in '75--
1001
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,520
our first tour
where we headlined--
1002
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,040
I mean, you know, we
went from opening--
1003
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,840
an opening act to headlining.
1004
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,280
PAUL ROGERS: It meant we did a
lot of shows, it seemed to me.
1005
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,760
We were flat out on the
road and sort of trying
1006
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,280
to catch up with ourselves.
1007
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,560
And when we suddenly confronted
with the studio again,
1008
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,760
and hey, record another album,
we were like, OK, what did
1009
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,160
we do the first time, you know?
1010
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,680
Now with hindsight
I can think back
1011
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,680
and say, well, this is what we
did, and this is how it was,
1012
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,160
but at that time, it was
just a whirlwind, really.
1013
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,120
And so we were
back in the studio
1014
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,160
ready to do another
album, and it
1015
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,680
mostly reflected our experiences
on the road at that time.
1016
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,440
MICK RALPHS: I'd like to
apologize for Paul not being
1017
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,720
here, but he's been attacked
by some notorious lady,
1018
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:01,640
I think, and--
1019
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,520
Yeah [inaudible].
1020
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,720
--absconded with.
1021
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,640
But he sends his regards.
1022
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,040
He says he thanks you.
1023
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,400
PAUL ROGERS: You
have all your life
1024
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,840
to make your first album
more or less [inaudible]
1025
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,520
long as it takes to get there.
1026
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,160
Next thing you know you're back
in the studio to do it again.
1027
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,080
We went to Clearwell
Castle, I think,
1028
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,160
and it was a little
bit different, though.
1029
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,080
It wasn't-- I-- I didn't find
it quite so organic in the sense
1030
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,520
that the place was
also run commercially,
1031
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,760
and they had parties
for-- you know,
1032
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,360
you could do a
medieval party there,
1033
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,880
and everybody got
dressed up in armor--
1034
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,320
suits of armor and drank mead.
1035
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,400
And they roasted pigs
and stuff like that.
1036
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,000
It was really weird sometimes.
I'd be wandering.
1037
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,480
I'd be like, where's
the bass player?
1038
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,520
You know, and I'd go through
all these corridors and things,
1039
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,920
and there would be a
big party going on,
1040
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,640
and all those people
dressed in medieval gear.
1041
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,280
And right in the
middle of it all
1042
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,880
would be Boz drinking mead, and
eating, you know, roast pig.
1043
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:53,920
Boz, we got a session to do.
1044
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,840
Come on.
1045
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,960
You know.
1046
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,760
So it was a little
bit different,
1047
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,200
but it was-- it was
still very atmospheric.
1048
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,840
WOMAN: I heard you produced your
last album in a Welsh castle.
1049
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,040
Yeah.
1050
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,680
WOMAN: What's the
story behind that?
1051
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,040
We just fancied doing it in
a situation where we could be
1052
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,640
just-- just the band
together, because I don't know
1053
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,720
if you're familiar with
studios, but there's this
1054
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,160
tendency to waste a lot of
time in studios, I think.
1055
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,520
BOZ BURRELL: They're sterile.
1056
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,080
With people coming in
and out all the time,
1057
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,840
and there's an atmosphere
of having to make a record.
1058
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,120
PAUL ROGERS: Down
through the years,
1059
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:26,480
I've shared a lot of
the songs that I've
1060
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,440
written with the band,
and I do that because--
1061
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,120
to give a sense of cohesion,
and it's not all about me,
1062
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:33,640
you know?
1063
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,240
MICK RALPHS: He'd had an
idea, and he'd play it to me,
1064
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,680
and then we'd chuck it around,
and I'd come up with a bit
1065
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,520
for it, or a chorus, or a--
1066
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,680
a middle eighth of it,
but I think generally he
1067
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,880
wrote some good
songs on his own,
1068
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,360
and I wrote some
good songs on my own.
1069
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,400
Like "Shooting Star"
he wrote on his own.
1070
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,720
"Good Lovin Gone Bad" I wrote,
and this is the second album,
1071
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,240
and so we were both quite
prolific at the time.
1072
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,680
So we used to do that, you know?
1073
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,680
He'd have an idea, and
I'd say, well, it needs--
1074
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,800
you know, it's all very nice,
but it needs something here,
1075
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,280
you know?
1076
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,280
Give it a bit of action like
"Feel Like Making Love."
1077
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,720
PAUL ROGERS: "Feel Like Making
Love" was a song that I had--
1078
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:06,880
I'd been working on.
1079
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,160
I mean, I had it
on the back burner.
1080
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,280
I had lots of songs
on the back burner.
1081
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,680
I'm sure a lot of
songwriters do.
1082
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,800
It's-- not everything
gets finished.
1083
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,000
From my time with
Free, actually,
1084
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,600
when I was touring with them
in San Francisco, I said--
1085
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:20,960
I had some experiences of then.
1086
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,240
That song came from then.
1087
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,720
"Feel Like Making
Love" was two songs.
1088
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,600
He had the verse,
and I had the chorus.
1089
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:28,960
And I said to Mick, oh,
here's this idea I had.
1090
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,640
Baby, when I think about you.
1091
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,000
And I said, it just
needs something--
1092
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,560
something to take
this somewhere,
1093
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,320
and he comes up with--
1094
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,440
and I went OK.
1095
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,800
Feel like making-- you know,
and that's how that came about.
1096
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,720
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "FEEL LIKE
MAKING LOVE"]
1097
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:50,120
[SINGING] Feel
like making love.
1098
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,560
Feel like making love.
1099
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,400
Feel like making love to you.
1100
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,160
PAUL ROGERS: I sometimes
feel like they're almost
1101
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,720
written through you sometimes.
1102
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,240
"Shooting Star" was
a song like that
1103
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,040
because I was just
walking along, and I was--
1104
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,840
I think I was out at my
cottage, and I started to sing.
1105
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,520
Johnny was a schoolboy when he
heard his first Beatles song.
1106
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,800
I went, hm, I must have heard
that on the radio somewhere.
1107
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,280
I went no.
1108
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,520
And I ran back in there,
and I started to work out
1109
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,480
the chords and stuff, you know?
1110
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,760
And the song just flowed out.
1111
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,600
And I couldn't believe, really,
that no one had thought to--
1112
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:36,280
no other songwriter had
come up with the idea
1113
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,760
of equating a shooting
star with a shooting star,
1114
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,440
you know what I mean?
1115
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,120
Like the idea of burning out too
early and that kind of thing.
1116
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,080
So, you know, I just
thought it was a good idea.
1117
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,920
One of these days I
want to create a musical
1118
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,840
around "Shooting Star"
and expand the story,
1119
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,680
and I think that would be
quite a nice-- because it's
1120
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,120
happened so many times before.
1121
00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:59,320
SIMON KIRKE: We
went from opening--
1122
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,760
and opening act
to-- to headlining.
1123
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,360
We were full of ourselves.
1124
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,480
And we were actually--
1125
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,360
we had our own plane,
for god's sake,
1126
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,160
so we could zip from city to
city, and it was wonderful.
1127
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,320
RON NEVISON: They were so
filthy rich they couldn't afford
1128
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,240
to stay in Britain because
they could only be there
1129
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,000
for whatever the
restrictions are--
1130
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,840
63 days a year for
a tax situation.
1131
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,920
They looked at a lot
of different options.
1132
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,600
One was the US, but they
didn't want to use up their--
1133
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:34,360
their days of touring
visa, and so they
1134
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,240
decided on the south of France.
1135
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,320
And we rented this
villa up in Grasse,
1136
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,040
which is just north
of [inaudible]
1137
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,560
in the south of France.
1138
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,720
The album, "Run With the Pack."
1139
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,600
We used the Rolling
Stones' mobile.
1140
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,240
We all arrived, and we all
had a, you know, cup of tea
1141
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,600
waiting for the thing to arrive.
1142
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:53,760
All of us sat around the
table-- the road crew, you know,
1143
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,000
Paul, and myself,
and Mick, and Boz.
1144
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,160
Suddenly we hear this huge
bloody knock on the door.
1145
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,720
[inaudible]
1146
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,480
And it was Mick [inaudible].
1147
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,960
He was the Stones'
mobile engineer.
1148
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,320
He [inaudible] all right.
1149
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,680
He says, well, bit of a problem.
1150
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,160
Can't the fucking mobile
through the gates.
1151
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,280
It's to wide.
1152
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,160
You're kidding.
1153
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,160
No.
1154
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,120
It's about two feet too wide.
1155
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:26,240
The truck got stuck about
200 yards short of the house.
1156
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,160
And one of Clive's suggestions
was to bring in a helicopter
1157
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,520
and raise it over the wall.
1158
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,680
So we called [inaudible] and
he says rent another villa.
1159
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,760
So we rented another villa, and
it did have gates wide enough
1160
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,520
to accommodate the mobile.
1161
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,240
And we did the recording
there, and we kept the villa
1162
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,840
where we were and stayed there.
1163
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,120
So we had more money
than sense in those days.
1164
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,000
No one thought to
take a tape measure
1165
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,840
and measure the bloody mobile.
1166
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,440
Would it get through the gates?
1167
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,640
So we had two villas on
the go at the same time,
1168
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,640
and defeated the whole object
of being residential-- commuting
1169
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,320
from one villa to another.
1170
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,480
We always produced
ourselves for our faults,
1171
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,200
but I think we were
pretty, you know--
1172
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:15,840
I suppose opinionated
is the wrong word,
1173
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,600
but we really felt strongly
about how we wanted it to sound
1174
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,040
and which way we
wanted the music to go,
1175
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,520
and we didn't want anybody
taking it away from them.
1176
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,480
We did work with
various different people
1177
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,160
in different stages
of production.
1178
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,320
We used the guy
from Jimi Hendrix--
1179
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,760
Eddie Kramer, and
he was very good.
1180
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,360
You know, we did some
mixes with him in LA.
1181
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,160
That was great, but I think
that in all situations
1182
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,640
we all overrode their opinions.
1183
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,280
We-- we knew what we wanted.
1184
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,360
You know, we-- we maybe used
them to help us to get where we
1185
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,040
wanted to go, but we never
actually acknowledged
1186
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,560
the use of a producer per se.
1187
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,160
The first three were
particularly well received, and
1188
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,840
well recorded, and very strong.
1189
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,760
The fourth one wasn't
so strong because we
1190
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,320
were-- we'd been on tour.
1191
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,040
We'd do an album tour,
album tour, album tour.
1192
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,320
Came to do the fourth
album, and Paul and I really
1193
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,480
hadn't got a lot of ideas.
1194
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,160
So we did the
"Burning Sky" album
1195
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,240
anyway and knocked together
some songs, but it wasn't--
1196
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,320
we didn't have a good
stockpile of songs,
1197
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,560
which is the best thing to do
before you go into a studio.
1198
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,480
You know, you go in
with about 15 or 20,
1199
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,240
and you end up with
about 12 or something.
1200
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,160
We didn't have about six when
we went to do that record,
1201
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,680
and they weren't all
going to make it.
1202
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,560
So we were writing things
in the studio, which
1203
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,160
is always not a good idea simply
because of the schedule we
1204
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,600
were at.
1205
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,640
I mean, it wasn't as if we
hadn't had any time off,
1206
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,320
but when you come
off major tours,
1207
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,240
you don't want to go
straight into a studio.
1208
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,120
So you have a bit of time
off ostensibly to write,
1209
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,320
but I mean, you don't.
1210
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,200
You just sort of
recover from the tour.
1211
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,400
SIMON KIRKE: We did one tour
in America of 70 cities.
1212
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,400
70 cities.
1213
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,560
It was like, wow, where--
1214
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,320
we didn't know half the
time where we were playing.
1215
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,920
You know, Mick
would have to have,
1216
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,360
hey, Springfield, or hey,
Chicago, great to be here.
1217
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,960
Sometimes we didn't
know where we were.
1218
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,000
It became a big problem for us.
1219
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,080
It was something that
Paul brought up very well.
1220
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,440
He said, listen, I can't
take this endless tour album.
1221
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:18,960
I need some time off, man.
1222
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,400
I need-- give me just
a month or two months,
1223
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,800
but don't keep booking
things without,
1224
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,080
you know, consulting us.
1225
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,440
MICK RALPHS: We
suddenly realized, well,
1226
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,000
we can't go in and
make another record
1227
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,240
without more preparation,
without having more songs.
1228
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,640
I mean, we got away
with a fourth album.
1229
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,440
It was not a bad album at all.
1230
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,840
There's some good
songs on there,
1231
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,440
but there wasn't the
abundance of the--
1232
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,440
as there was in the first
three, and so we just
1233
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,080
had to try to make up
for that on "Desolation
1234
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,560
Angels," which I think we did.
1235
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,960
PAUL ROGERS: I needed to
write a song for the album,
1236
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,920
and I was thinking,
you know, what
1237
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:50,880
I'm going to write about now.
1238
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,160
And I actually had a--
1239
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,600
a synth guitar.
1240
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:54,960
It was one of the
first synth guitars
1241
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,120
that ever came out
made by Roland,
1242
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:01,360
and when you got it going, it
made some fantastic sounds.
1243
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,680
And it had-- you know,
it had harpsichord sound.
1244
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,120
It had a bass sound.
1245
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,720
The guitar could be made
to play harpsichord, bass,
1246
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,000
a guitar, acoustic,
everything, you know,
1247
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,360
all these different sounds.
1248
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,280
And I was putting
all these sounds in,
1249
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,880
and I-- and I hit this, and I
went, wow, this is like a rock
1250
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,080
and roll fantasy, this guitar.
1251
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,320
And I went, a ha, that's it.
1252
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:21,960
So and then I just--
1253
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,200
I just-- I wrote, OK, what would
a rock and roll fantasy be?
1254
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,280
Well, it would be being
on stage, and the lights,
1255
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,960
and the crowd, and
everybody singing,
1256
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,880
and just brought the
song around there.
1257
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,920
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "ROCK AND
ROLL AND FANTASY"]
1258
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,880
[SINGING] It's all part
of my rock and roll fantasy.
1259
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:47,280
It's all part of my
rock and roll dream.
1260
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,840
SIMON KIRKE: Everythone
was doing blow--
1261
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,880
everyone except Paul
Rogers, and I'll
1262
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,000
categorically state that
right now, because Paul quit
1263
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,880
all that stuff in the mid '70s.
1264
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,880
So he was never
involved in any of this,
1265
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,360
but I was, and I
did a lot of blow.
1266
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,640
Boz did.
Mick did.
1267
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,320
The whole Zeppelin camp did,
and, you know, as anyone out
1268
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,920
there will know--
1269
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,720
by the way, I'm many
years sober now,
1270
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,920
but I speak with
experience that coke just
1271
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,160
makes you incredibly paranoid.
1272
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,440
It makes you drink like a fish.
1273
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,200
There is no redeeming
factor in cocaine.
1274
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,480
JASON BONHAM: "Desolation
Angel" just came out.
1275
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,960
They just played
Birmingham Odeon,
1276
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,160
and dad got me to learn
"Rock and Roll Fantasy,"
1277
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,200
so when they came
over, I played it,
1278
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,760
but even Paul tells
the story different.
1279
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,440
Ah, yeah, you played "Can't
Get Enough of Your Love."
1280
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,120
I went, it wasn't "Can't
Get Enough of Your Love."
1281
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,240
I played "Rock and Roll
Fantasy" [inaudible].
1282
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,400
MAN: So where did you play?
1283
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,280
At my house.
1284
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,720
At my dad's house, yeah.
1285
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,280
When-- I was in my pajamas.
1286
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,560
I remember be woken up.
1287
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,160
It's your time, you know?
1288
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,600
Down I come, you know.
1289
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:08,240
And just played it.
1290
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,920
So that-- that
was the first time
1291
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,880
Paul actually turned to
Simon and went, you're fired.
1292
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,240
It was one of the many times he
did that, [inaudible] but yeah,
1293
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,720
it was [inaudible].
1294
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,200
So that's the truth.
1295
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,880
1980 was a horrible year.
1296
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,000
You know, Lennon was shot.
1297
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,120
I believe-- you're going to
have to look up the chronology,
1298
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,960
but I think it was just
after Bonzo had died.
1299
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,160
It was horrible.
1300
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,080
When John Bonham
passed away, he--
1301
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,640
he sort of became
a virtual recluse.
1302
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,280
He took it really hard.
1303
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,520
SIMON KIRKE: The band had been--
1304
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,320
it had run itself
into the ground.
1305
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,160
We were tour,
album, tour, album.
1306
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,640
We were all knackered,
and then when John died,
1307
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,280
Zeppelin broke up.
1308
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,560
It was like a house of cards,
because once Zeppelin went,
1309
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,080
Peter Grant went into seclusion.
1310
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,880
There was no one to look
after us, Bad Company.
1311
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,080
We'd go to his
house for meetings,
1312
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,680
and we wouldn't
see him, you know?
1313
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,640
And we got the feeling that
he-- he wasn't really that--
1314
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,280
well, understandably he'd lost
a lot of enthusiasm for the job.
1315
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,560
So we soldiered on
without him, but that
1316
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,080
was not very successful.
1317
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,920
I mean, you know, when
you have a band of four
1318
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,960
strong characters, and the
manager is the stronger--
1319
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,240
stronger than any of us,
and he's done on the scene,
1320
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,720
everybody then decides
they know best.
1321
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,360
So when you've got
four people in the band
1322
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,920
thinking they know best, you
know, it's not going to work.
1323
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,080
At least he was the one we
listened to in terms of,
1324
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,080
you know, touring or
recording not material,
1325
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,960
but timing of everything.
1326
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,080
So then we did an album that
was-- it OK, but it was--
1327
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,360
it was not the same after--
1328
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,720
without Peter's involvement.
1329
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,040
That was the last
album, "Rough Diamond."
1330
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,360
Then after that, Paul decided
that he wanted to quit.
1331
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,520
SIMON KIRKE: By the
end of 1979, when
1332
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,080
we'd done "Rough Diamonds,"
which was really not very good,
1333
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,000
there'd been a fight
between Paul and Boz.
1334
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,000
Paul-- he expressed a
desire to do his own album,
1335
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,000
so he was saving songs
for his own stuff.
1336
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,720
Mick wasn't-- you know, they
weren't collaborating anymore.
1337
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,320
Mick was writing his
own stuff, and it's--
1338
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,840
it happens, you know?
1339
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,160
It happens with all great
song writing partnerships.
1340
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,840
Eventually there
will come a time
1341
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,480
where you'll save your own stuff
for something that you want
1342
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,240
to do solo, and
that's what Paul did,
1343
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,880
and to a lesser extent, Mick.
1344
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,320
PAUL ROGERS: The thing
about music for me
1345
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,720
is that music is really
the most important thing,
1346
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,400
and we were-- we were young,
and we were successful,
1347
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:42,880
and we did a lot of partying.
1348
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,280
And I felt that we were
losing touch with the music,
1349
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,920
and it was getting too
much about the parties.
1350
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,640
It was too much like a
"Shooting Star" situation,
1351
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,000
if you know what I mean.
1352
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,160
And I just felt that we--
1353
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,080
we'd lost track of the
original fire that we had,
1354
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,880
and I wanted to get away and
do something else basically.
1355
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,280
We weren't getting on,
and that was mainly to do
1356
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,520
because Peter wasn't around.
1357
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,960
He would always sort
out any friction.
1358
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,280
Oh, don't be such an old
tart and stuff like that--
1359
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,000
and get us all unified
as a group again.
1360
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,600
We'd lost that unity.
1361
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,680
And you know, I love Paul,
and I respected and admired
1362
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,720
Paul since, you know, 1968.
1363
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,000
That's how far back we go.
1364
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,040
I think he's one of the
finest singers in the history
1365
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,320
of "singingdom,"
but I don't know
1366
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:34,480
what he got under his bonnet
about Boz, because Boz
1367
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,480
was new on the scene.
1368
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,840
Christ, he'd been a
singer up until 1973.
1369
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,440
I mean, he'd only been playing
bass a couple of months,
1370
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,680
you know, when we
got hold of him.
1371
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,720
The thing about Boz was
he was very musical,
1372
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,280
and he wasn't scared to voice
his opinion about, you know--
1373
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,240
almost bloody
annoying, actually.
1374
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,960
You know, we'd come to the
end of this frantic song,
1375
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,640
this great, you know, like
a woomp on the end of it
1376
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,920
on the drums.
1377
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,520
And he'd go, uh, should
we do another one.
1378
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,320
Simon would start complaining
about how it sounded,
1379
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,400
and he'd go up to the desk
and turn it up full volume,
1380
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,720
look around, and
look at everybody,
1381
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,320
and then [inaudible].
1382
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:15,960
Around He said, well that
used to work in the old days.
1383
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,960
We were saying I know what
to do, and Paul was saying,
1384
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,080
I know what to do.
1385
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,000
And, you know,
Boz is-- so it was
1386
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,440
all like four different
people as opposed to a group.
1387
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,880
And I think that's [inaudible]
that's when Paul decided he
1388
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,440
didn't want to do it anymore.
1389
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,360
And we quit just after that.
1390
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,520
SIMON KIRKE: Paul
said, you know, I
1391
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,000
can't take this anymore.
1392
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,000
I'm going to do my own thing.
1393
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,400
And it was just a general
screw up all around.
1394
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,280
So that really was
the end of Bad Company
1395
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,520
and the end of Led Zeppelin.
1396
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,880
My emphasis has
always been about music.
1397
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,560
Really that's the thing that--
1398
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,880
that's the only reason I do it.
1399
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,840
It's not to be successful
or to be famous.
1400
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,960
It's to be a songwriter, and
to sing, and to reach out,
1401
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,200
and to connect with people.
1402
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,800
That's really my
thing, you know?
1403
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,520
And everything else is
a side issue, you know?
1404
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,400
And I felt we were
losing touch with that--
1405
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,160
the idea of playing
just to reach people.
1406
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,600
I don't know.
1407
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,680
And so I went to seek
something else, you know?
1408
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,040
I thought at the
time that maybe
1409
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,680
he just wanted some time off,
you know, as you sometimes do.
1410
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,400
When you work closely
together, you just want
1411
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,080
a bit of a breather, you know?
1412
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,120
Get on each other's nerves if
you're in each other's company
1413
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:25,760
all time.
1414
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,840
In the old days, I remember
so-and-so leaves The Searchers.
1415
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,120
End of group.
1416
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,840
No reunion planned.
1417
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,960
It was all headlines,
but with us-- with Free
1418
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,480
and with Bad Company it was
like we just kind of dissipated
1419
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:40,960
and went our own ways.
1420
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,040
MICK RALPHS: And
also at the time
1421
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:43,720
he was the only
one that had kids.
1422
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,120
See, at the time, none
of us had had children.
1423
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,680
He just wanted time
apart from the group
1424
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,720
to spend with his family
and do his own thing.
1425
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,920
So that was probably
the right thing to do,
1426
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,360
because I think if
we had continued,
1427
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,880
somebody might have
got hurt along the way.
1428
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,760
You know, I mean, he
was-- he was quite heady,
1429
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,200
and I think his--
1430
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,400
his decision to stop
was the right one.
1431
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,000
It was a horrible
time, as I said.
1432
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,520
1980 to '82 was an awful time
for me personally, and I--
1433
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:12,400
I developed an addiction,
and I went to treatment.
1434
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:13,680
And when I came
out, you know, it
1435
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,720
was all a bit of a--
bit of downer, really,
1436
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,200
and I missed the band terribly.
1437
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,840
I did.
1438
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,280
I mean, it was a great band,
and we made some great music,
1439
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,000
but we really did
need some time off.
1440
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,440
The group didn't continue,
so we all drifted off
1441
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,400
into other things, but I think
there was a period where we
1442
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,720
were just hanging
around thinking,
1443
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,480
well, Paul will want
to do something soon,
1444
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,760
but it didn't go that way.
1445
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,800
The door was always left
open by pretty much all of us.
1446
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,840
Anyway, everybody went off
and did whatever they did.
1447
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,800
Paul did some solo stuff.
1448
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,120
[inaudible] "Cut Loose."
1449
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,360
I think he did his
first solo album.
1450
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,960
Yeah, and then
Paul got involved
1451
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,160
with Jimmy Page a put together
the band called The Firm.
1452
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,040
PAUL ROGERS: Because
of John's death--
1453
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,400
John Bonham, you know--
1454
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,120
and Jimmy said to me,
well, we should form--
1455
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,040
let's form a band
and go on tour.
1456
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,120
And I said, well, you know,
I really don't want to get
1457
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,880
into the grind again, you know?
1458
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,480
And he said, I'll tell
you what-- what we'll do,
1459
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,280
we'll make two albums,
and we'll do two tours,
1460
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,160
and that will be it.
1461
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,520
That's all we'll do.
1462
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,880
And I said, OK,
that sounds good.
1463
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,440
And that's what we did.
1464
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,040
I did an album
called "Take This"
1465
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:24,360
in about 1980, '81 with Simon
and a few other musicians.
1466
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,200
Boz went off and
played his jazz.
1467
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,640
He loved his jazz, and
that's what he ended up
1468
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,320
doing, getting himself a
10, 12 piece jazz band up
1469
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,440
in Edinburgh, which he
got his rocks off on,
1470
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,800
so thank goodness he did that.
1471
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,440
You know, we all
find things to do,
1472
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,440
but it wasn't as rewarding
as being in a group.
1473
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,240
Particularly, Simon,
me, and Paul always
1474
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:46,720
being band members--
you know, when
1475
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,000
you make a living
in that mentality,
1476
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,120
you depend on the other
people you're with.
1477
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,320
PAUL ROGERS: I met BB King and
played with him at his club
1478
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,440
in New York, and we
did a song called
1479
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,800
"Every Day of the Blues," which
is the first song I played
1480
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,440
with Paul Kossoff on stage at
the Fickle Pickle [inaudible],
1481
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,320
so for me it was
a fantastic full
1482
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,640
circle to be playing that song.
1483
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,720
I-- I met Hubert
Sumlin, who is--
1484
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,040
and played with.
1485
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,640
He actually played "All
Right Now" with me.
1486
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,360
CATHY BURRELL: Boz decided
he wanted to retire,
1487
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,680
and Boz just basically stayed
in the hammock on the poop deck
1488
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,040
for six years and got browner,
and browner, and browner.
1489
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,720
The Four Tops invited me to
play at their 50th anniversary
1490
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,280
in Detroit.
1491
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:37,200
When I met Paul, we were
on the same show in Detroit.
1492
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,320
We were both doing a
tribute to The Four Tops.
1493
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,080
And that was a
real honor, because I
1494
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,440
didn't even know that they
would be aware of me, you know?
1495
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,920
Naturally, everyone
knows about Paul
1496
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,720
Rogers and Bad Company, but I
had no idea he was even there.
1497
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:56,640
[music playing]
1498
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,480
Because I really love you.
1499
01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:59,840
Really, really love you.
1500
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:02,960
I'm thankful that
you love me too.
1501
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,000
PAUL ROGERS: And I got to
sing a couple of songs--
1502
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,440
a couple of their songs,
and they came on stage,
1503
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,640
and they actually stood behind
me like I was their lead singer
1504
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,440
and they were my backing
band, which was--
1505
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,080
I mean, it was a real honor.
1506
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:22,400
To me Paul Rogers
is one of the most
1507
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:27,640
underrated personalities
you would ever want to meet.
1508
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,960
This man has talent
beyond talent.
1509
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:38,160
This man can sing anything.
1510
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,800
He can sing the telephone book.
1511
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,520
I was watching TV
one night, and then
1512
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,440
there was this Brit Awards or
something, and Queen were on.
1513
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,960
And then I realized Paul
was singing with them.
1514
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,440
You know, they arranged
to do "All Right Now"
1515
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,400
or something together.
1516
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:55,920
And I thought, wow,
you know, that's great.
1517
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:00,440
And then they obviously
invited him to be the vocalist
1518
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,160
for some Queen shows.
1519
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,760
PAUL ROGERS: I had
just played with Brian
1520
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,920
for [inaudible] charity at
Wembley, and so we got talking.
1521
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,800
And he said, you know,
we want to play that,
1522
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,160
but we need a singer.
1523
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,640
If you'll sing for us,
our couple of songs--
1524
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,440
"We Will Rock You," and
"We are the Champions"--
1525
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,200
we'll be your backing band for
your song in "All Right Now."
1526
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,120
I sad that sounds like a good
deal, and that's what we did,
1527
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:22,600
and it was dynamite.
1528
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,080
BRIAN MAY: That, to
me, was a great thing.
1529
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,360
It was just something which
was kind of in my blood
1530
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,560
because we grew up on
Free and Bad Company.
1531
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,400
Freddy was a big
fan of Bad Company.
1532
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,000
So I went on and
played with Paul,
1533
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,520
and it seemed like the most
natural thing in the world.
1534
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,040
There was an instant
easy chemistry there.
1535
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,920
PAUL ROGERS: People--
people from the bowels
1536
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,360
of this building where we were
rehearsing all came rushing up
1537
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,160
to see what the excitement was.
1538
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,160
You know, they were popping
their heads in the door.
1539
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,680
So from the get go,
it was very exciting.
1540
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,720
BRIAN MAY: And Paul,
as it happened,
1541
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,000
was in a sort of
lull, and Paul told
1542
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,400
me later that he was
considering giving
1543
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:57,760
up playing at that point.
1544
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,080
You know, he was
feeling that he wanted
1545
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,600
to have some more
home life and stuff,
1546
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,480
but I'm afraid we
put an end to that.
1547
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:03,600
[MUSIC - "FEEL LIKE MAKING
LOVE"]
1548
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,080
[SINGING] Feel
like making love.
1549
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,520
Feel like making love.
1550
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,000
Give it to me [inaudible].
1551
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,000
Feel like making love.
1552
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,960
Don't you [inaudible].
1553
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:22,440
Feel like making love.
1554
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:28,960
MICK RALPHS: It was very sad.
1555
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,640
We found out that Peter Grant
had passed away in 1995.
1556
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:33,840
Obviously missed him terribly.
1557
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,120
Still do.
1558
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:36,400
It was good to see
everybody, of course.
1559
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,320
We'd all lost touch
with each other.
1560
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,200
We'd all gone off and
done different things.
1561
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,880
Yeah, I mean, you know,
we never felt out.
1562
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,320
We just went our
own separate ways,
1563
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,840
so it was-- it was kind
of nice to hook up,
1564
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,320
although it was a sad
circumstance in which
1565
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,520
to get everybody together.
1566
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,600
And Robert Plant
suggested to us at the
1567
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,960
get together that perhaps we
should think about getting back
1568
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,000
together and doing
something, which sowed
1569
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,920
the seed in everybody's
mind, which eventually
1570
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,200
led to the 1999 reunion.
1571
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:12,840
PAUL ROGERS: It was like
as if we hadn't stopped.
1572
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,400
We started playing
again, you know,
1573
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,600
and then really quickly we
had the old chemistry back,
1574
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,280
which was quite amazing,
really, because everybody
1575
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,400
had gone off and done
loads of different things.
1576
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,200
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "CAN'T GET
ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE"]
1577
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,320
[SINGING] I can't get
enough of your love.
1578
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:31,280
You know that I can't
get enough of your love.
1579
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,040
SIMON KIRKE: The reunion
was not a success,
1580
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,680
and I think we could
all agree that primarily
1581
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,200
there were two camps.
1582
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,360
There was Paul and myself,
who were sober, and there
1583
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,360
was Mick and Boz, who weren't.
1584
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,400
And when-- when I'm trying
to maintain sobriety,
1585
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,440
and I'm only speaking
for myself here,
1586
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:55,800
and we have Mick and Boz who
are completely the other way,
1587
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,960
it led to a huge divide.
1588
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,920
And we didn't get on.
1589
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,760
Bottom line is it was not
a success both commercially
1590
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,200
or personality-wise.
1591
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,080
And I think we were
all quite glad to see
1592
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,840
the back of each other.
1593
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,440
Not so much me and
Paul, because I've
1594
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,080
always gotten on fairly
well with Paul, but Boz
1595
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,160
became a problem.
1596
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,760
His intake was pretty
bad, and, you know,
1597
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,160
it eventually killed him.
1598
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,720
It was Boz's belated
60th birthday party
1599
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,400
and had some friends staying,
some musicians staying.
1600
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,880
And there was a lot of
people arriving later on.
1601
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,200
I was in the kitchen
cooking up a huge buffet,
1602
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,360
and Boz was wandering around.
1603
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:43,640
I think we're
watching horseracing.
1604
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,840
We were betting on
the television on Sky.
1605
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,920
And Boz turned round to his
friend Billy and said, gadger,
1606
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,200
life doesn't get any
better than this.
1607
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,120
And he walked outside
onto the patio,
1608
01:06:55,240 --> 01:07:01,040
and picked up Alvin's guitar,
and said to Tam White--
1609
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,200
he said, no, no, no.
1610
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,560
That's the wrong
note for this tune,
1611
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,480
and he's going this
is how it's played.
1612
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,680
And the next thing we heard was
the guitar hitting the floor,
1613
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,320
and that was that, I'm afraid.
1614
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,640
MICK RALPHS: Well,
it affected me a lot.
1615
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,960
You know, I was very, very
upset and obviously saddened.
1616
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:21,560
He was a great friend of mine.
1617
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,800
Probably in the group we were
the closest two, you know?
1618
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,600
I mean, he got on
with everybody,
1619
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,640
but me and him used
to hang out a lot
1620
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,720
and used to go out together, and
if we shared a house on tour,
1621
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,720
we'd share it
together, you know?
1622
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,640
So I was very good friends with
him, and he was a lovely guy,
1623
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:41,040
and it did change,
you know, the band.
1624
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:45,440
We plodded on without him, but
I do miss him terribly, yeah.
1625
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,480
He was a great
character in the band.
1626
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,040
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "GONE,
GONE, GONE"]
1627
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,800
BAD COMPANY: [SINGING] It
ain't the first time, baby.
1628
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,720
Baby, it won't be the last.
1629
01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:02,520
I better get the boys round
and do some drinking fast.
1630
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,960
Cause she's gone, gone, gone.
1631
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,480
Boz did drink heavily.
1632
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,480
Some would say detrimentally so.
1633
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,120
I wouldn't agree with that,
because in all the times
1634
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:18,559
that I saw him drinking, he
was always practicing, working,
1635
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:23,639
recording, laughing, listening,
understanding, philosophizing.
1636
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,399
He lived a full life.
1637
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:26,960
Alcohol didn't prevent
any of these things.
1638
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,559
He was never the curtains closed
on your own bevy merchant.
1639
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:31,880
He wasn't one of those guys.
1640
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:32,920
He drank socially.
1641
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:37,200
He enjoyed drinking.
1642
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:38,920
I never saw it as a bad thing.
1643
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,800
ZOOT MONEY: He did have
an incredible tolerance
1644
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,240
for stimulants, and
he could actually
1645
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,000
function, because he would play
in whatever state he was in.
1646
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,360
He just wanted to continue
doing what he liked to do.
1647
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,760
And so if he could have any
excuse really to be playing
1648
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,559
or to be listening to music.
1649
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,680
He didn't believe in
going out on a half life.
1650
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,160
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "GONE,
GONE, GONE"]
1651
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:04,040
BAD COMPANY: [SINGING] Cause
she's gone, gone, gone.
1652
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:05,000
I don't know if I'm happy.
1653
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,479
I don't know if I'm sad.
1654
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,160
She's gone.
1655
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:10,719
MAN: He was just something else,
and if you could have seen him
1656
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,680
play in the last few
years of his life,
1657
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,360
he became a world
class bass player.
1658
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:17,399
Phenomenal.
1659
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:25,600
The whole reason
we got back together
1660
01:09:25,719 --> 01:09:30,200
was there was concern about
the trademark of the name,
1661
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:33,080
and because the
band wasn't working,
1662
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,040
there was a danger that other
people might use the name
1663
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,399
and all these sort of things.
1664
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,440
So the obvious thing
was to do something.
1665
01:09:41,559 --> 01:09:45,920
Well, Paul was still in
Queen, and so I said, well,
1666
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,080
why don't we just do a gig?
1667
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,840
At least then it
can be seen that we
1668
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,680
are working as Bad
Company, you know,
1669
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,320
with Simon, and me, and Paul.
1670
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:55,360
Obviously without poor old Boz.
1671
01:09:58,600 --> 01:09:59,760
So that's what we did.
1672
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,920
We did a gig in Florida
at the Hard Rock.
1673
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,040
August, 2008.
1674
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:10,440
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "ROCK AND
ROLL FANTASY"]
1675
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:11,920
[SINGING] Yeah.
1676
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,280
Here come the jesters,
one, two, three.
1677
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:25,400
SIMON KIRKE: Wonderful.
1678
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,800
I got to say that
was absolutely--
1679
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,920
came out of the blue.
1680
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,160
I can't even remember
why we did it.
1681
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,520
The name was being
plagiarized by certain people,
1682
01:10:35,639 --> 01:10:37,559
and in fact, Mick, himself
took it out on the road,
1683
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,639
and I didn't like that.
1684
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,559
And I decided that
what we needed
1685
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,080
was to pull the thing together
to have a new contract
1686
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,000
between us which
stated that none of us
1687
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,680
could play without the other's
permission or use the name.
1688
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,760
So we said in order to define
that we would do a show.
1689
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:55,880
We'd video the show.
1690
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,080
DVD the show.
1691
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,400
And we'd release it.
1692
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,040
Well, we had a good
time playing that show,
1693
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:01,960
and the audience was fantastic.
1694
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,440
MICK RALPHS: So it was yet
another kind of reformation,
1695
01:11:04,559 --> 01:11:06,440
I suppose, but it
was-- yeah, but it
1696
01:11:06,559 --> 01:11:07,520
was like we hadn't stopped.
1697
01:11:07,639 --> 01:11:08,880
It was great.
1698
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,960
SIMON KIRKE: We
filmed it, and Paul
1699
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:15,639
did some remixing of the tapes,
and it was a big success.
1700
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,760
And it paved the
way to do these 10
1701
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,120
shows earlier in--
in '09 when we
1702
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,240
did the east coast of America.
1703
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,240
We were all a bit,
you know, not quite sure
1704
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:30,160
how it would be without Boz
and how we'd be received,
1705
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,120
but of course,
soon as he started
1706
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,360
playing and the audiences
responded so well that we--
1707
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,200
we felt good about
it again, you know,
1708
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,120
despite Boz not being there.
1709
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,480
The song still came
across quite fresh, and--
1710
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:49,639
and it was-- it was suddenly
as if we hadn't stopped,
1711
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,880
but there was a long
period in between where
1712
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,480
we hadn't done anything.
1713
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,040
There was Mick, and there
was Paul, and there was myself.
1714
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,840
And we had Howard Leese and Lynn
Sorensen from Paul's solo band.
1715
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,360
And it was a
wonderful combination.
1716
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:06,080
All I've ever wanted
to do is be in a band,
1717
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,000
and the band that I've been
in the longest is Bad Company.
1718
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:10,400
And I can do that.
1719
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:11,880
I'm good at that.
1720
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,400
No, I think everybody else
probably feels the same.
1721
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,760
I mean, we've all done
different things in the interim,
1722
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,520
but nothing is rewarding--
for me, anyway.
1723
01:12:20,639 --> 01:12:22,400
Well, I'd just
come off tour, and I
1724
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,000
said I'm not going to do another
three month tour, thank you.
1725
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,880
Not straight off the bat, but
we can do a couple of dates.
1726
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,719
So we end up doing
these 10 dates.
1727
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,920
The 10 shows in--
1728
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,160
in '09 were some of
the best that I've ever
1729
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,080
experienced in any band.
1730
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,719
But whether we go beyond that
into recording new stuff is--
1731
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,960
is-- you know, it could.
1732
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,600
And no reason not to.
1733
01:12:45,719 --> 01:12:48,160
See, it was a bit like the
early days of Bad Company where
1734
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,680
we had left behind
those demons, and we
1735
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,480
were now playing
unfettered, unchained,
1736
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,559
and just having a ball.
1737
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:02,520
[music playing]
1738
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,240
PAUL ROGERS: I wasn't quite
sure what to expect because it's
1739
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,920
been such a long time, and we--
1740
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,680
Considering we hadn't played
for like, what, 10 years?
1741
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,080
Yeah.
1742
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,800
Somebody said to me, is
it like riding a bike?
1743
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,080
I said, no, it's like
riding a wild stallion.
1744
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:23,240
[laughter]
1745
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:24,600
I like that.
1746
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:25,840
You don't forget how
to do it, but it doesn't
1747
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:27,360
make it any less dangerous.
1748
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:29,800
No, I like that.
1749
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,160
[inaudible] put that
top lift in first.
1750
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,440
MAN: And here we go.
Jolly good.
1751
01:13:38,559 --> 01:13:39,400
Hey, Chris.
1752
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,680
All right, buddy.
1753
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:42,600
[inaudible]
1754
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:43,520
Thank you.
1755
01:13:43,639 --> 01:13:44,760
See you later.
1756
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:45,760
[inaudible]
1757
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,680
Thank you, my friend.
1758
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,600
[cheering]
1759
01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:59,000
PAUL ROGERS: [inaudible]
1760
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:03,400
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "CAN'T GET
ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE"]
1761
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:09,880
SIMON KIRKE: I'm always trying
to hear what Paul is doing
1762
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,760
and trying to, you know,
supplement it, complement
1763
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,800
it, whatever, back it up.
1764
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:16,719
Like you said earlier on,
you've got to have a structure.
1765
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,639
You can't be too free from, but
there's certain times in songs
1766
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,200
that, you know,
he'll do something,
1767
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,719
and I'll try and back it up
rather than ride over it.
1768
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,160
MICK RALPHS: Yeah, if
Paul goes somewhere,
1769
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,559
we'll go there with it,
you know, or whatever way.
1770
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,680
You know, it's just at the
moment whatever [inaudible].
1771
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,120
PAUL ROGERS: Yeah,
well go run with it.
1772
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:33,639
MICK RALPHS: And whatever
dictates it-- you know,
1773
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,000
the mood of the audience,
or the way we're feeling.
1774
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,000
We're always right there
to compliment that,
1775
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:39,600
and it's just a
natural thing we do.
1776
01:14:39,719 --> 01:14:42,120
It's not a problem
for any of us.
1777
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,200
It's a magical experience
pretty much every night.
1778
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:45,840
I have to pinch
myself once in a while
1779
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,639
because I'll be standing next
to him, and I'll look back,
1780
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,880
and there's Simon,
and I'm going, wow.
1781
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,920
These are the guys that
I grew up just loving.
1782
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,559
They're playing their music.
1783
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,160
I think Paul is the greatest
rock singer that's ever lived,
1784
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,440
and to this day, I mean,
he hasn't lost a step.
1785
01:15:00,559 --> 01:15:02,400
A lot of singers
of his generation
1786
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,480
are substituting the high
notes for lower notes
1787
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,920
or tuning down a little
bit, but Paul-- we
1788
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,040
play everything in A 440 concert
pitch, the same as the records.
1789
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,800
A lot of the times I'm playing
I'm thinking about what I'm
1790
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,280
doing, but now and then,
when I get a chance,
1791
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,360
I'm just listening to him play
and seeing what I'm playing
1792
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,160
is-- it's a magical feeling.
1793
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,440
All of the gigs have--
1794
01:15:23,559 --> 01:15:28,719
all of the shows have
been exceptional.
1795
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,680
The UK tour was another
endorsement of that.
1796
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,160
You know, the response was
great, and we played well.
1797
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,559
Good morning.
1798
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,520
Hello, Chris.
1799
01:15:41,639 --> 01:15:43,960
Mick [inaudible]
how you doing?
1800
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,920
[interposing voices]
1801
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,600
What we'll do is we'll
walk in at 3 o'clock.
1802
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:51,000
[inaudible] will get up
and make an introduction.
1803
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,040
You'll play.
1804
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:53,520
We'll do a photo session.
1805
01:15:53,639 --> 01:15:58,040
Then do the Q&A. And then
a signing of a guitar
1806
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,760
that we'll present to the Hard
Rock, and then we're done.
1807
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,400
I'm getting too
old for this shit.
1808
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,520
You're gonna have to
whip me into shape here.
1809
01:16:09,639 --> 01:16:10,440
Hello.
1810
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,719
This was the first
[inaudible] ever.
1811
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,240
Not many people know that.
1812
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:17,200
What?
1813
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,559
MAN: There's your drumhead.
1814
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:20,480
All right.
1815
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,600
Ah, Boz is up there.
1816
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:29,040
Look at that.
1817
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,000
[music playing]
1818
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,920
[chatter]
1819
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:11,639
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "FEEL LIKE
MAKING LOVE"]
1820
01:17:21,719 --> 01:17:25,760
I was in the States
last year for 10 shows,
1821
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,280
and then when I come home, my
friends and family were asking,
1822
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,760
you know, is the UK
thing going to happen?
1823
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,040
I said, well, sworn to secrecy,
but possibly, you know.
1824
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,440
Ladies and gentlemen,
would you please
1825
01:17:36,559 --> 01:17:38,400
welcome a true super group.
1826
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,320
Ladies and gentlemen,
Bad Company.
1827
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:42,920
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "SHOOTING
STAR"]
1828
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:49,520
[SINGING] Don't you know
that you are a shooting star.
1829
01:17:49,639 --> 01:17:55,240
Keep on shining
somewhere [inaudible].
1830
01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:01,600
Don't you know that you
are a shooting star.
1831
01:18:01,719 --> 01:18:05,240
All the world will
love you just as
1832
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,440
long, as long as you are alive.
1833
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:13,680
I like that sound, basically.
1834
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,040
Classic British rock sound.
1835
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:16,240
Yeah, that's it.
1836
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:17,280
That's what we're
missing, you know?
1837
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:18,800
Well, that went
well, didn't it?
1838
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:19,680
WOMAN: [inaudible]
1839
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:21,400
It was really good.
1840
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:22,800
I thought they were fantastic.
1841
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,520
That-- that kind of
chemistry is still there.
1842
01:18:26,639 --> 01:18:28,719
There's absolutely
no doubt about that.
1843
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,719
Hello.
1844
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,639
Nice to see you.
First gig.
1845
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:52,559
Lovely.
1846
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,480
[cheering]
1847
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,000
WOMAN: Come on, Simon!
1848
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:44,440
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "CAN'T GET
ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE"]
1849
01:19:52,559 --> 01:19:55,920
[SINGING] Well I
take whatever I want.
1850
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,440
And baby, I want you.
1851
01:19:59,559 --> 01:20:00,440
All right.
1852
01:20:00,559 --> 01:20:03,400
You give me something I need.
1853
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,240
MICK RALPHS: It would
be nice to do some more,
1854
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:07,559
and it would be
also nice to do some
1855
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,080
new stuff if-- if that's
the way it's going--
1856
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,520
I mean, I haven't
written for a long time.
1857
01:20:11,639 --> 01:20:13,320
I must be honest.
1858
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:14,920
I haven't really felt like it.
1859
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,520
You know, you go through a
patch when you're not working,
1860
01:20:16,639 --> 01:20:19,440
and then you have marital
problems, whatever, you know,
1861
01:20:19,559 --> 01:20:21,360
all that stuff, and you don't
feel like writing anything.
1862
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:23,360
There's nothing to
write about that's good.
1863
01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:25,360
I like to write about stuff
that's good, you know?
1864
01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:26,639
Not miserable stuff.
1865
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,840
So-- but I'm starting
to write again now.
1866
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,040
I'm feeling good
about everything,
1867
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,920
and having the band
there as a vehicle is
1868
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,920
an incentive, because I've
always written for a band,
1869
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,360
you know?
1870
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:41,200
And Bad Company stopped--
there was no vehicle.
1871
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,559
Although I kept writing, it
was all kinds of various stuff.
1872
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,559
At least having Bad Company
there gives me a focus
1873
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,240
to think, well,
[inaudible] there
1874
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:53,639
is a certain thing that we do,
whatever it is, like it or not.
1875
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,080
So I try to tailor the stuff
I'm writing to fit that bill,
1876
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,400
you know, to keep it up
to date but still keep
1877
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,840
the essence of what we
did in the early days.
1878
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,840
And Paul played a
couple of things,
1879
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,600
and I picked up on them,
and I said, oh, what's that?
1880
01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:09,639
You know, like little
glimpses of things.
1881
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,280
It would be nice if
we did some new stuff.
1882
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:12,680
We shall see.
1883
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:13,920
SIMON KIRKE: Who knows?
1884
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:18,559
I mean, we're fit,
sober, and who knows
1885
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,080
what the future will bring?
1886
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,600
But I really hope that we
can do some shows together
1887
01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:24,880
in the future.
1888
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,160
As long as there's a market
there, and a demand for it,
1889
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,160
and we're enjoying it,
there's no reason not to do it
1890
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,840
as long as we physically can.
1891
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,600
I don't think any of us want
to do marathon tours anymore.
1892
01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:37,760
We're too old for that.
1893
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,800
I would love to
do another album.
1894
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:40,840
You can't predict it, really.
1895
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,040
You just have to
see how it goes,
1896
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,800
but hopefully
there will be more.
1897
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,080
That would be lovely.
1898
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,280
That would be lovely.
1899
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,000
I'm going to take
a break, and I'm
1900
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,719
going to focus on songwriting.
1901
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,120
Songwriting, really,
you know, that's
1902
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,520
where everything
kind of stems from,
1903
01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:57,960
and I'll see where
that takes me.
1904
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,160
[MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "ROCK AND
ROLL FANTASY"]
1905
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,480
BAD COMPANY: [SINGING] Here come
the jesters one, two, three.
1906
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,719
It's all part of my fantasy.
1907
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,880
I love the music,
and I love to see
1908
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:19,440
the crowd dancing in the aisles
and singing out loud, yeah.
1909
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:31,880
Here come the
dancers one by one.
1910
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,480
You're mama's calling,
but you're having fun.
1911
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:40,000
You find you're dancing
on a number nine cloud.
1912
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:44,200
Put your hands together
now and sing it out loud.
1913
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:51,080
It's all part of my
rock and roll fantasy.
1914
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,880
Yeah.
1915
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:59,200
It's all part of my rock
and roll dream, yeah.
1916
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:27,400
It's all part of my
rock and roll fantasy.
1917
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:36,080
It's all part of my
rock and roll dream.
1918
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:43,000
Yeah.
1919
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:53,200
Put up the spotlights
one and all.
1920
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:57,080
Then let the feeling
get down to your soul.
1921
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:03,680
The music's so loud you can hear
the sound reaching for the sky
1922
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,440
and churning up the ground.
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