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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,120 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "BAD COMPANY"] 4 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:34,960 BAD COMPANY: [SINGING] Company always on the run. 5 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:41,920 Destiny with the rising sun. 6 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:54,800 I was born six gun in my hand. 7 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:03,720 Behind a gun, I'll make my final stand. 8 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:14,200 That's why call bad company. 9 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,160 I won't deny. 10 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:25,160 Bad till the day we die. 11 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,080 Oh, you're beautiful. 12 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,080 Thank you. 13 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,560 What you get is rough and ready, but it's real. 14 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,800 I was always aware of music, because in my home 15 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,640 in Middlesbrough we always had the radio on. 16 00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:51,160 It was on all the-- all day. 17 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,960 So we listened to things. 18 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,720 Elvis would come on or Frank Sinatra, and lots of the pop 19 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,200 in through the '50s, and I didn't really 20 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,560 realize I was influenced by it, but looking back I 21 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,160 think I was at, you know? 22 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:04,840 I first got into music-- 23 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,280 oh, god-- when I was about 13. 24 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,360 I was brought up on the border of Wales 25 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,520 in a little place called Newcastle on Clun. 26 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:16,800 Logically speaking, I was a late starter 27 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:21,280 because I didn't start playing till I was 18, but I-- 28 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,640 my first intro into playing in bands 29 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,400 was in a local dance band, if you will, 30 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,680 you know, playing standards, and piano, and accordion, all 31 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,079 that sort of thing. 32 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,079 I saw my first TV program at about I guess 14. 33 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,760 It was called "All That Jazz," and it had featured big band 34 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,960 jazz, you know, swing bands, and I 35 00:02:42,079 --> 00:02:43,680 was fascinated by the drummer. 36 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,720 MICK RALPHS: And I just learned to sort of pick up by ear, 37 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,640 you know, chord changes and what have you. 38 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,079 I think I was not really doing that much musically at all, 39 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,600 and then I got involved with some local bands in Hereford, 40 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,480 which ended up being the basis of Mott the Hoople, 41 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,800 you know-- from all different guys 42 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,400 from different local bands, but to that 43 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,560 point, it was just playing like in local village halls, 44 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,200 you know, the usual stuff. 45 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,560 It wasn't until, oh, I suppose I became a teenager, really, 46 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,760 that I started to be interested in the pop music of the day, 47 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,840 which-- which was the Beatles, and the Stones, et cetera, 48 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,960 but when I heard the Rolling Stones sing "I Just 49 00:03:21,079 --> 00:03:23,640 Want to Make Love to You," which was-- it's an old blues song, 50 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,000 I heard something different from the normal from the pop, 51 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,720 really, although I still loved the Beatles and the Stones. 52 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,160 And I dug a little deeper and discovered blues, really-- 53 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Muddy Waters, and Howlin' Wolf, and John Lee Hooker, and it 54 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,960 was a whole new world to me. 55 00:03:40,079 --> 00:03:43,240 That's the thing that really deeply influenced me. 56 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,720 I've always tried to emulate those guys because when I 57 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,360 heard, say, you know, Wilson Pickett 58 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,760 singing or Elmore James, you know, and they'd-- they'd hit 59 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,040 a certain-- 60 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,560 a way of singing, and I'd go that's it. 61 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,360 That's the way to do it, you know? 62 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,560 I went to two Windsor jazz festivals, 63 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,120 and that really opened my eyes, but I knew 64 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,000 that I wanted to be a drummer. 65 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,480 I wanted to try my hand at playing drums, 66 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,520 so I made a deal with my parents. 67 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,600 After I got my A-levels, give me two years, 68 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,400 and if nothing nothing happens in two years, 69 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,200 I'll go to university. 70 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,720 And it was during those two years that, you know, 71 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,519 I came down to London, did all sorts of jobs, 72 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,640 answered auditions, and in the last couple 73 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,760 of months of those two years I met Paul 74 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,760 Kossoff and Black Cat Bones. 75 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,200 So, you know, the drawbridge was coming down, 76 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,560 and I was fully prepared to go to university. 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,320 My father bought me a six string guitar. 78 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,159 Actually, that's how I got into music, really, 79 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:41,520 because that made me eligible to join the class band at school, 80 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:42,800 you see? 81 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,320 All you had to do is have an instrument. 82 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,560 So we started playing together in somebody's kitchen, 83 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,520 and I stayed with it. 84 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,520 I switched from six string. 85 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,960 We needed a bass player, so I traded 86 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,080 that in and got myself a bass. 87 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,080 And I played bass for a while and sang, and then I-- 88 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,800 I put the bass down and just focused on singing, you know? 89 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,960 Because that's what the band wanted me to do, 90 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,200 but I always found that it was helpful to be able to play 91 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,240 piano and guitar acoustically, electrically, 92 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,400 and the bass for songwriting when I would write 93 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,920 on any of those instruments. 94 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,840 I was with a band called Brown Sugar, 95 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,520 and they started playing a riff. 96 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,280 Dum, dum, dum. 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,800 Dum, dum, dum. 98 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,000 And I start to sing lyrics over that, 99 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,960 and it was like long, dusty road. 100 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,080 Long, dusty road to nowhere. 101 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,600 Dun, dun. 102 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,840 And I said to the guys, well, did you write that riff? 103 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,800 And they said, oh, no it's some old blues riff, you see? 104 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,560 But that's what made me think, ah, then if I come 105 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,480 up with my own riff, you know? 106 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,400 So anyway, to cut a long story short I came up with a riff. 107 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,040 Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, 108 00:05:53,159 --> 00:05:54,840 and then I wrote "Walk in My Shadow," 109 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,240 which that was the first song I wrote, 110 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,560 and that appeared on the "Tons of Sobs" album with Free. 111 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,800 And once-- once that had happened, I was kind of off 112 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,080 and running, really, because I thought, 113 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,120 wow, I can write songs now. 114 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,600 You know? 115 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,040 I ran into Paul Kossoff at this gig, the Nags Head. 116 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,280 You know, the blues boom was-- was huge in London 117 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,600 at that time, and I didn't think the Black 118 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,880 Cat Bones were that good, but Kossoff was wonderful. 119 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,000 And I said during the break-- you know, he came off stage. 120 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,240 I said, oh, you know, I think you're great, 121 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,760 but I think your drummer is crap. 122 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,440 And he said, well, it's funny you should say that, 123 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,320 because he's leaving tonight, and we're 124 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,320 having auditions tomorrow. 125 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,880 So anyway, I went along. 126 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,400 Long story short, I got the job, and I played with Kos 127 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,080 in Black Cat Bones for about six months, during which time 128 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,520 he said I know this great singer who's 129 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:44,840 in a band called Brown Sugar. 130 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,600 And he's leaving, and he wants to form a band, 131 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,440 and, you know, would you like to come along? 132 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:52,880 And I said, yeah. 133 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,480 And, you know, so there was three of us. 134 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,159 And then we had to find a bass player, 135 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:01,200 and we knew Alexis Korner, who mentored Paul Kossoff. 136 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,360 He was a family friend, and he said 137 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,440 I know this great little kid, Andy Fraser. 138 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,240 He's just-- he was playing with John Mayall for six months. 139 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,720 We went, whoa. 140 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,000 And he's just got the sack, and we 141 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,000 were just staggered that a 15-year-old kid 142 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,560 could play that well. 143 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,400 And we asked him later if he'd like to join the band. 144 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,560 We had a rehearsal there the first time the four of us 145 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,960 got together, and during those rehearsals, 146 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,960 Alexis came along just to see us, you know? 147 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,840 And we were stumped for a name, and he'd 148 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,720 been in a band called Free at Last 149 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,440 with Graham Bond and Baker. 150 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,880 And he said, you know, why don't you call the band Free? 151 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,560 And so we said, yeah, OK. 152 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,120 And then we played-- 153 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,680 Alexis took us on the road for a couple of months. 154 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,600 We did about, I guess, 12 or 15 shows with Alexis, 155 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:52,840 and we were off and running. 156 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,200 [music - free, "all right now"] 157 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,760 FREE: [SINGING] There she stood in the street, 158 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,080 smiling from her head to her feet. 159 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,640 I said, hey, what is this? 160 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,280 Now, baby, baby, she's in need of a kiss. 161 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,240 I said, hey! 162 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,640 What's you name, baby? 163 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,360 Maybe we can see things the same. 164 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,600 Now don't you worry or hesitate. 165 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Let's move before they raise the parking rate. 166 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,040 All right now. 167 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,440 Baby, it's all right now. 168 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,880 All right now. 169 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,799 Baby, it's all right now. 170 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:39,400 SIMON KIRKE: We were a blues band, 171 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,400 I mean, but we were a little bit more than a blues band. 172 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,800 We wanted to be like a progressive blues band, 173 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,200 not just rock me, baby, and, you know, the old standards. 174 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,880 We wanted to do-- 175 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,280 you know, we wanted to write our own stuff. 176 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,320 [music - free, "all right now"] 177 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,920 [SINGING] To my place, watching 178 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,120 every move on her face. 179 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,840 PAUL ROGERS: And I didn't really realize 180 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:02,200 I was a songwriter until we-- 181 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,280 until Island Records stuck a publishing contract 182 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,240 in front of me and said, OK. 183 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,520 I said, what's this? 184 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:09,640 He said, this is the publishing contract, 185 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:10,560 and we want you to sign it. 186 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:12,320 Blah, blah, dah, dah. 187 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:13,760 And I said, it says, well, songwriter. 188 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,520 He says, yeah, you're a songwriter now. 189 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,000 You've got songs on the album. 190 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,760 I went-- that was the moment I realized, hey, 191 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,680 I'm a songwriter, you know? 192 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,200 And then they stole them all with a contact. 193 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:24,360 No, I'm just kidding. 194 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,120 We played hundreds of shows, and we 195 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,520 built up a very good following. 196 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,200 And "All Right Now" was a sort of a catalyst thing, 197 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,000 whereby it just blew everything up in a nice way. 198 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,960 I mean, the fact that we were now on TV, top of the pops, 199 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,520 or whatever, you know, we were available to a lot of people. 200 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,520 I remember the first thing that we did behind "All Right Now." 201 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,400 We were playing-- instead of playing 202 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,920 towns one after the other, we were playing countries, 203 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,360 you know? 204 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,360 Holland, France, Belgium, Germany, Scandinavia. 205 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,360 Whereas before, it was just, you know, up and down the M1 206 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,240 down to Cornwall and back. 207 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,040 So it was a lot of pressure, and ultimately it-- 208 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,120 it brought about our demise, I think. 209 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,160 Well, we've been working for-- 210 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,720 for two years fairly solidly around England and Europe. 211 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,840 And we'd had a couple of singles out and two albums, 212 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,240 which had done fairly well, you know, but nothing phenomenal. 213 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,440 And then-- then "All Right Now" came along, you know, 214 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:37,840 and sort of was a hit in just about every major country. 215 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,040 And it opened up the market incredibly, 216 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,960 and we found that we are playing to countries 217 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,520 that normally where we would probably never gone to. 218 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:47,800 WOMAN: What are you intending to do 219 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,360 when they get back to England? 220 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,840 Rest. 221 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,200 Get a long rest. 222 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,480 Not many people know, but we did 223 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,080 two Isle of Wight Festivals. 224 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,920 And the first one, which was not the big one, was in '69, 225 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,760 and we did about a 20 minute set, 226 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,360 but the big one was, of course, in 1970. 227 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,880 We had the hit, and it was while we were waiting 228 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,120 to go on the ferry Pete Townsend came up and knocked 229 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,400 on our transit window, and said I love that fucking song 230 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,920 of yours, and then walked off. 231 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,360 And we're going, wow. 232 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:18,800 [music - free, "all right now"] 233 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,280 [SINGING] All right now. 234 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,720 Baby, it's all right. 235 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:35,600 SIMON KIRKE: Kossoff's demise started after the first break. 236 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,320 We had the disappointment-- 237 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,400 the follow up tour right now. 238 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,240 You know, we had "Highway" after "Fire and Water." 239 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,240 We released "Stealer," which I thought was a great song, 240 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,120 but it wasn't a hit record. 241 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,280 That didn't do very well. 242 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,960 "Highway" didn't do very well. 243 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:57,040 So we took it personally, and Andy and Paul made the decision 244 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,320 that after "Highway" after the world tour that was it, 245 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,200 and it broke our hearts. 246 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,760 I'll be honest. 247 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,800 It really-- it upset me, but it devastated [inaudible]. 248 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,360 So you know, I know now that he was an addict-- 249 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,080 what I know now about addiction, because I'm 250 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,800 in the program meself. 251 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,280 And he was born an addict, and-- and this breakup 252 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,840 completely devastated him. 253 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,280 [cheering] 254 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,400 MICK RALPHS: The basis of Mott the Hoople was formed 255 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,560 in a band we had in Hereford. 256 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:51,000 Pete Watts himself, Verden Allen, Dale Griffin, 257 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,600 the drummer and a singer. 258 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,160 Of course, Stan, Stan [inaudible]. 259 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,360 He was the original singer, and we 260 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,760 went to London to try and get a foot in the door 261 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,880 with Island Records and-- 262 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,440 in the days when they were [inaudible]. 263 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,000 You know, it is getting frustrating because you'd 264 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,120 sit around all day, and wait, and then somebody would say, 265 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:12,400 oh, he's gone home for the day. 266 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,760 I was trying to see Guy Stevens. 267 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,920 So in the end, I just burst into his office one day. 268 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,440 I said, I'm fed up with doing-- you know, 269 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:20,240 I'm not going to come all the way down from Hereford 270 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,760 and waste my time, blah, blah, blah. 271 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,120 And he said, oh, come in. 272 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,120 I like your attitude, and sort of that sort of 273 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,680 sparked it off with Guy, because Guy Stevens was 274 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,200 then in the early days violent. 275 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,600 And he was the A&R man, if you will, looking for talent. 276 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,440 And he liked the band. 277 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:41,760 He wanted to replace the singer, you know, for the-- 278 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,600 for the look, and the image, and all the rest of it. 279 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,520 So that's how we came across Ian, 280 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,000 and Guy Stevens liked the look of him 281 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,720 with the shades and the curly hair. 282 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,680 And that was the basis of-- 283 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,320 the start of Mott, really, yeah. 284 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,440 The first I met Mick was sometime in '69, I 285 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:59,920 would imagine, walking in for the audition 286 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,160 in-- in Regent Sound. 287 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,600 We had a good live following, but we 288 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,920 couldn't really sell records. 289 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,480 We weren't that commercially successful. 290 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,360 We tried different styles, different albums, 291 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,600 different singles to the point that we 292 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,840 were getting very frustrated and losing money-- decided 293 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,000 to knock it on the head. 294 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,120 And unbeknownst to us, David Bowie had heard about this. 295 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,120 Suggested we do one of his songs that he was 296 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,960 willing to offer to us to do. 297 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,600 We were already dead to radio. 298 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,640 We'd had a couple of singles out already, 299 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,080 and radio just didn't want to know, 300 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,840 but we also knew we had to keep-- you know, 301 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,280 we were filling everywhere, and you 302 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,000 don't fill everywhere over a long period of time 303 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,680 if you don't have a hit. 304 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,120 So it was getting to the point where something had to happen. 305 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,920 And he came back with "Dudes." 306 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,280 MICK RALPHS: So he-- he sent us the tape-- 307 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,680 reel to reel tape with "All the Young Dudes" on one-- 308 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,960 on one track, and "Suffragette City" was the other one. 309 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,080 And a nice handwritten letter. 310 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,680 And we loved the song of course. 311 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,360 And then he said, well, why don't you come record it, 312 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,400 and I'll produce it for you? 313 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,760 But that really turned out fortunes around. 314 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,240 [MUSIC - MOTT THE HOOPLE, "ALL THE YOUNG DUDES"] 315 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,720 MOTT THE HOOPLE: [SINGING] All the young dudes. 316 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:10,720 Hey, dudes. 317 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,200 Carry the news. 318 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:13,680 Where are you? 319 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,680 Boogaloo dudes. 320 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:16,680 Stand up. 321 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,840 Carry the news. 322 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,200 MICK RALPHS: Suddenly you get a break, 323 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,000 and then the band changes into a different-- 324 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,200 so it wasn't the same band for me. 325 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,640 It had lost its underground sort of sub-- 326 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,840 subversive feel, and it had become 327 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,560 more of a sort of a pop band, you know, 328 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,040 and the top of the pops. 329 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,280 And Ian got into writing songs in a certain vein that 330 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,080 were kind of based on "All the Young Dudes," which is great, 331 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:41,560 you know. 332 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:42,840 IAN HUNTER: Pete Watts, the bass player, and Mick-- 333 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,440 they were the two writers. 334 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,040 They didn't really want a writer, and then after a while, 335 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,120 Pete Watts couldn't be bothered. 336 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,240 So I just started doing it, you know, with Mick. 337 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,160 It-- it went away from the original concept of Mott, 338 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,040 and I wanted to play something a bit more earthy, 339 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,800 a bit more rough, if you like. 340 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:04,320 And that's when I hooked up with Paul. 341 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,160 He was out supporting us on Mott the-- 342 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,960 on Mott the Hoople tour with a band he had then called Peace, 343 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,120 and because we'd all-- 344 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,360 we'd always liked his singing anyway from the Free days. 345 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,320 And we got on really well, and I had a load of songs 346 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,640 that we weren't doing with Mott that I'd written. 347 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,520 Mick was coming in with "Ready for Love." 348 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,960 He came in with "Can't Get Enough." 349 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,400 And I couldn't sing them. 350 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,600 Paul was the sort of guy that could sing the sort 351 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,240 of songs I was writing. 352 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,880 And it was really sad, because we had a very powerful band 353 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000 that was selling out everywhere, but it was just pissing him 354 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,600 off, and I knew exactly how he felt, because if it had been 355 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,440 him that had the couple of hits on that particular record, then 356 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,800 I would have probably left. 357 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,360 So it was an unfortunate kind of situation. 358 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,920 Initially we were just going to record 359 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,760 some stuff [inaudible]. 360 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,840 We didn't-- we hadn't thought about forming a group then. 361 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,200 We just to-- record some songs that we had, 362 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,120 and I had some songs. 363 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,280 He had some songs. 364 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:00,760 We worked together really well. 365 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,560 PAUL ROGERS: With Mick's songs, I can step into them. 366 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,440 You know, with things like "Simple Man," "Moving On," 367 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,520 "Can't Get Enough of Your Love," I can step into them, 368 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,240 and-- and they're very simple. 369 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,119 And that leaves me a lot of room to play, you know, 370 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,760 and do my vocal thing. 371 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,200 It was very funny, because it was just Paul 372 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:19,920 and I writing songs, and, you know, 373 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,640 working out stuff together. 374 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,319 And Simon turned up one day from one of his world jaunts 375 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,520 to wherever. 376 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,160 They said, well, you know, you want 377 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,920 to-- you want to get a band together, and I was in Brazil. 378 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,280 And I called-- 379 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,280 I believe I called Paul to see how-- you know, 380 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,960 how things were. 381 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,840 And he said, look, he fancied me playing drums in this band 382 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,800 that me and Mick are putting together. 383 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,080 And I love Mick. 384 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,160 Mick was so funny. 385 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,920 I mean, I love him to this day. 386 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,640 He's just a great character, and he's a very, very good player. 387 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:52,720 So I said, yeah, man. 388 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,000 I'd love to. 389 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:55,480 Well, we were putting the band together 390 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,480 with Mick at my cottage, and I had a friend of mine, 391 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,600 Clive Coulson had worked for Free earlier. 392 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,520 And he came round to my place, and he now worked with Led 393 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,920 Zeppelin, and we got talking. 394 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,000 And I said, well, we need a manager. 395 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:12,600 And he said, well, you know, why don't 396 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,320 you give Peter Grant a call? 397 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,280 Because they have just formed a new company, Swan Song, 398 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,280 and they're kind of, you know, talent scouting. 399 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,120 It was a mark of accomplishment 400 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,200 for a rock superstar to have their own label. 401 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,320 You know, The Beatles had Apple. 402 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,920 And then The Rolling Stones, had Rolling 403 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,920 Stones Records, and then Jefferson Airplane 404 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,200 had Grunt Records. 405 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,480 So for one thing, it was a mark of status 406 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,480 to have their own label and to be able to develop 407 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,080 some other artists. 408 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,600 And so I gave them a call, you know, and-- 409 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,240 and he said-- and it was kind of nervy, 410 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:43,440 really, because there's-- 411 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,320 I'm-- there's me calling this, you know, 412 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,120 manager of Led Zeppelin, who were bigger 413 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,680 than God at the time, you know? 414 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,280 DANNY GOLDBERG: The members of Led Zeppelin and Peter 415 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,080 thought they had good taste in music 416 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,760 and that they could do a good job of picking some artists 417 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,640 and attracting them, because Zeppelin was at the time 418 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,080 the biggest band in the world commercially in terms 419 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,880 of their concert sales, and their record sales, and so on, 420 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,120 and that it would be a prestigious thing 421 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,520 for a new act to say, hey, I'm on Led Zeppelin's label. 422 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,080 MICK RALPHS: And luckily he-- he said 423 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,920 he'd be interested in hearing us, 424 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,280 which we couldn't believe our luck. 425 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,520 And he arranged to come and see us at a rehearsal 426 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,720 shortly after that. 427 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,240 PAUL ROGERS: He said, yeah, yeah. 428 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:27,960 He said, yeah, I'm interested in you, yeah. 429 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,600 And then he came round, and I said well, Peter, 430 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,240 I come with a band, you know? 431 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:35,240 And we're going to be called Bad Company. 432 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:36,520 And they weren't sure about that. 433 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,240 I've had problems in the past with names, 434 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:41,920 but, you know, I wanted to stick to my guns, 435 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,240 and Bad Company it is. 436 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:44,600 Bad Company it was. 437 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,360 Funny thing was, when we were rehearsing, he-- 438 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,800 we didn't know he was there. 439 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,520 We were rehearsing in this village hall in Surrey 440 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,000 in [inaudible] and looking at the watch 441 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:56,640 and said, well, he'll be here in a minute. 442 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,320 And we carried on playing, and then it was 2 o'clock, then 443 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,760 it was 3 o'clock, then it was 4 o'clock, and 5 o'clock. 444 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,800 By the time it came about 6:00, Paul said, 445 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,320 oh, this is ridiculous and he's not going to turn up. 446 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,680 We must be kidding ourselves, you know? 447 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,080 And we all got really pissed off, and played like vengeance, 448 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,200 and decided to go to the pub. 449 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,960 And when we went out to the hall, 450 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,560 there was Peter sitting in his car, and Paul said something. 451 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,920 Well, you turned up then. 452 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,200 He said, well, I've been here for ages actually. 453 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,480 He said I didn't want to come in, 454 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,080 and I just wanted to hear you in your natural state. 455 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,720 Thinking he was late, we all got pissed off and played, 456 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,760 you know, demonically, which he thought was great. 457 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,160 And then he took us on, yeah. 458 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,520 PAUL ROGERS: He liked what we were doing. 459 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,080 We had-- we had "Rocky Steady." 460 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,360 We had "Can't Get Enough of Your Love." 461 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,200 We were playing "Bad Company," the song. 462 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,360 So we had some good songs going on, you know? 463 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,240 Some were mine. 464 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:46,920 Some were mine and Paul's. 465 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,440 Some were Paul's, you know, but, yes, that 466 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,200 was the basic essence of it. 467 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,000 PAUL ROGERS: Peter said to me I'm not going to sign you guys. 468 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:56,680 What we'll do this-- what we'll do-- we'll just try it. 469 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,280 We'll just try it for six months on a basis of a handshake, 470 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,600 and so I said, OK, let's go. 471 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,160 MICK RALPHS: He was one of the lads, you know? 472 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,240 He was very much on the side of the musician, 473 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:12,120 you know, and didn't stand any nonsense 474 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,320 from the business side of it. 475 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,000 Don't fucking talk to me. 476 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:16,360 It's my bloody act. 477 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:17,800 [inaudible] leave you anytime. 478 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,000 You couldn't even give them a starting line. 479 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:21,840 Peter did what was good for Zeppelin. 480 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,880 Peter understood that the extra money that they were paying 481 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,600 the agency after a certain point was 482 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,480 wasted because Zeppelin didn't need an agent anymore 483 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,160 in his opinion. 484 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,080 Promoters all wanted them, and he also renegotiated the money 485 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,960 on behalf of the band with promoters, too, 486 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,040 and kind of was the architect of what's 487 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,520 called a 90/10 deal, which meant the artist would 488 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,240 make 90% of the net. 489 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:45,600 Prior to that, 50/50 was the paradigm. 490 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,520 Peter was a real trailblazer in terms of getting 491 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,600 more money for artists. 492 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,760 MICK RALPHS: He was very keen to let us be ourselves. 493 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,800 He didn't impose himself in production, or song choice, 494 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,160 or anything like that. 495 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,000 He just wanted us to do what we wanted to do. 496 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,440 DANNY GOLDBERG: Peter really believed in Bad Company, 497 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,560 and I remember when he first gave me the record, 498 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,400 and I heard it, and I think I went to his studio 499 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,320 and heard some music, and met them 500 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,680 or whatever, he was very worried that I 501 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,120 wasn't sufficiently excited. 502 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,320 And he really-- 503 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,600 Peter Grant was 300 pounds. 504 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,160 He'd been a former professional wrestler. 505 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,240 He was an extremely intimidating guy to begin with, 506 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:24,120 and he was very insistent that I understand 507 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,920 how much this meant to him and how strongly he felt about it. 508 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,200 It was all very gentlemanly, and he said, 509 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,640 you know, you do the music, and I'll take care of the business. 510 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,520 And he did. 511 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,000 You know, he was great. 512 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:38,800 I mean, he divided his time between us 513 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,280 and Zeppelin at the time, because both doing 514 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,640 big stuff in America by then. 515 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,200 SIMON KIRKE: Because he wasn't that 516 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,400 savvy about music, which was probably one of his saving 517 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,760 graces. 518 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,000 You know, he didn't know if F went with A minor 519 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:52,080 or with that bit went with that. 520 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,320 He just knew what he felt, and-- 521 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,640 and I remember him saying to Robert 522 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,400 Plant and-- and Paul at the time was, you know, you want-- 523 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,800 I just want you to wear something bright 524 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,320 and jump up and down a bit. 525 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,240 It was a very knee jerk reaction that he had for things, 526 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,920 and he had this incredible business acumen, as well. 527 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,240 Plus this 300 pound wrestler-- 528 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,680 ex-wrestler persona behind me-- 529 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,160 I mean, he was wonderful. 530 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,760 Whenever he'd come to a show, at some point, 531 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,600 he'd come to every crew member, look you straight in the eye, 532 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,680 and say, is everything all right? 533 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Is there anything that I can do for you? 534 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,600 And he meant it. 535 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,200 He not only looked after his band. 536 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,000 He looked after everybody. 537 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,480 If you were in, you were in, but by the same time, 538 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,280 if you did something wrong against Bad Company or Led 539 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,080 Zeppelin, you might as well just pack your shit 540 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,960 because you were done. 541 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:44,920 Did we get on with him? 542 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,800 Yes. 543 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,200 Well, yes and no. 544 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,800 I, being the naive country kid, questioned him 545 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,280 about his underworld dealings. 546 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,520 Great. 547 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,640 I must've been out of my fucking mind. 548 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,520 I said, Mr. Grant, I understand that you have some-- 549 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,960 I can't believe that I said it-- 550 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,760 you have connections with the London underworld. 551 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,320 Is this true? 552 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,760 And he was totally straight. 553 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,040 He says, no. 554 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,600 And then the next band meeting we 555 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,400 had he pulled out this submachine gun 556 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,120 full of ping pong balls and went-- 557 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,680 and I'm ducking. 558 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,760 But that was me, you know? 559 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,600 The completely naive, green-- 560 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,760 and he loved me for it. 561 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,200 What he did for us was wonderful, 562 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,760 and I think of him most days. 563 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,640 I loved him. 564 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,680 He was like a dad to me. 565 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,080 PAUL ROGERS: We didn't even-- hadn't even 566 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,920 settled on a bass player at the time, 567 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,600 although I liked the guy we were trying. 568 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,840 It was a Welsh guy. 569 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,440 He didn't want the gig, strange enough, 570 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:40,680 so we had to keep looking. 571 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,800 We had the three of us. 572 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,040 Simon, myself, and Paul for ages. 573 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,800 We kept trying out all these different bass players, 574 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,920 and they were all very good, but they didn't quite-- for me, 575 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,800 they didn't quite click chemistry-wise. 576 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,240 SIMON KIRKE: Boz wasn't even there in the lineup when 577 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,600 Peter Grant came to see him. 578 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,000 MICK RALPHS: No, he came in at the last minute-- 579 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:57,200 Boz. 580 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,800 We were desperate to do this record, 581 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,520 and-- and we took him on not knowing what we'd taken on, 582 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,160 but it turned out to be great. 583 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,000 You know, he was a real character. 584 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,640 I took to him straight away, because he wasn't that 585 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,080 experienced on the bass then, and I loved it when 586 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,600 he turned up for rehearsals. 587 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,080 All the other bass players were so dead keen to play. 588 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,400 We said the Boz, what do you want to do? 589 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,800 He said, listen, I want to go to the pub. 590 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,000 Let's go to the pub. 591 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:20,080 You know, he didn't want to play. 592 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,680 He just wanted to hang out. 593 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,320 So I thought that was great. 594 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,320 So of course we went to the pub and got completely pissed, 595 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,640 played a load of rubbish, and said he was in. 596 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,200 And then next day Paul phones up and said, what was he like? 597 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,080 I said, I don't know. 598 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,680 I was drunk. 599 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,760 He said, so was I. He said, I think I gave him the job. 600 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,120 We had a list of bass players, and Boz was right 601 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,360 at the bottom-- number 16. 602 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,440 I'll never forget-- because we weren't 603 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,080 really big fans of [inaudible]. 604 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,920 MICK RALPHS: [inaudible]. 605 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,360 Paul [inaudible]. 606 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,200 Yeah, we-- we kept auditioning. 607 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,360 We auditioned for months. 608 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,560 And one guy we just kept trying because he looked so bad. 609 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,680 He was dribbling a bit. 610 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,080 Oh, and we had [inaudible]. 611 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,400 And Boz was the last guy. 612 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,920 And we auditioned a lot of bass players. 613 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,040 Sorry bass players [inaudible]. 614 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,160 You were wonderful. - Yeah. 615 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,080 Yeah. 616 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,440 They were all great. 617 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,200 MICK RALPHS: But Boz was the last resort, 618 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,800 and it happened to be-- 619 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,120 SIMON KIRKE: One of them looked exactly like Eric Clapton. 620 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:13,960 We couldn't have him in the band because he 621 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,160 looked too much like-- 622 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,160 MICK RALPHS: You said that [inaudible] 623 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,320 why couldn't get [inaudible]. 624 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,480 I had all these reasons [inaudible] 625 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,160 look like Eric Clapton [inaudible] 626 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,320 phoning [inaudible]. 627 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,240 He could stand up there and stare at 50,000 people, 628 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,400 play bass like it was nothing. 629 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,720 He absolutely had that thing. 630 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,960 The ability to do it-- 631 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,440 he had it in abundance. 632 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,200 The desire to do it-- if there was anything that made 633 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,440 him uncomfortable, it was that. 634 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,720 It certainly wasn't the music. 635 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,920 MICK RALPHS: But he was endearing, 636 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,960 and I loved Boz, because he was actually 637 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,000 a singer first and foremost. 638 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,640 Boz was the singer and King Crimson. 639 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,000 I only knew he was a bass player. 640 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,320 MICK RALPHS: He bluffed it. 641 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,720 He said it said bass player/singer wanted, 642 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,800 and he couldn't play the bass at all. 643 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,120 So Robert Fripp taught him how to play the basics, 644 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,720 and then of course he improved and learned more 645 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,920 about the instrument from then on. 646 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,280 PAUL ROGERS: And he played the bass in a very melodic manner. 647 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,000 It was a strange thing for him at the time 648 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:07,320 because obviously his peers were Jack Bruce, and Alan Spenner, 649 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,840 and all these amazing bass players. 650 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,040 So he was like-- 651 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,840 he had to get in there real hard. 652 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,440 Get his stuff together, which he did real quick, actually, 653 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,480 and developed quite a phenomenal technique compared 654 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,360 to most rock bass players, because he had a very 655 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,280 exacting technique on the bass. 656 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,720 PAUL ROGERS: He could play some high things. 657 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,040 Do, do, do, do. 658 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,160 You know? What was that? 659 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,160 "Ready for Love" or something? 660 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,400 Yeah, the slides. 661 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,760 Yeah, he does some really-- 662 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,520 He also-- he played a fretless bass, 663 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,000 which is very hard to do-- 664 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,200 an Ampeg scroll neck. 665 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,640 ZOOT MONEY: I thought he was actually 666 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320 going to develop it, and develop it with a company, 667 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,880 and get his own thing. 668 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,360 It was very, very useful in certain tunes 669 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,600 where it could go lower than most 670 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,080 and could actually slide about. 671 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,280 Difficult to play because you don't have any, you know, 672 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,200 frets making it obvious where everything is. 673 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,920 So you have to be pretty accurate. 674 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,960 I had never worked with a fretless bass before, 675 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,480 and I was really intrigued. 676 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,320 It's a very kind of provocative sound. 677 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,640 You know, it's got a very interesting aspect. 678 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,800 I had just been working with basic rock 679 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,440 and roll bass players that went bum, bum, bum, bum. 680 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,960 And he came more from an R&B background, 681 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,360 and I thought it was perfect for the band. 682 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,240 When he first joined the band, he came up with great ideas-- 683 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:28,000 unusual, like that that skipped beat beat in "Burning Sky." 684 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:30,680 That was his idea, and it just-- 685 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,480 No, had some really-- he was really inventive. 686 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,920 And "Gone Gone Gone." 687 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,480 You know, he wrote a song called "Gone Gone Gone." 688 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,800 If we were playing in D, we'd play in F sharp instead 689 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,120 of the D. You know, he always found 690 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,920 not the obvious thing to play, and didn't 691 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,080 feel like making course. 692 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,000 He doesn't actually play the do do. 693 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,440 He just come on the push. 694 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,320 Everybody else does-- bass player goes do do bum. 695 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,400 But he didn't do the do do. 696 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,760 He just went bum. 697 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,120 SIMON KIRKE: He was not your normal bass player. 698 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,760 MICK RALPHS: So he left holes, which was great. 699 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,320 And I remember years ago, we were doing all these interviews 700 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,000 in America, you know, when we'd just come out, 701 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,040 and it was going on about how great the rhythm section was. 702 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,840 And they were saying to Boz we really like your style. 703 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,920 It's so economical. 704 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,200 So [inaudible]. 705 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,560 I didn't want to play, so I just stopped. 706 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,040 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "SIMPLE MAN"] 707 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,040 BAD COMPANY: [SINGING] Oh, we're gonna make it. 708 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,200 Typically understated. 709 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,800 He was a very deep thinker about music. 710 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,320 You know, Boz-- Boz was very, very passionate. 711 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,400 He wasn't just somebody who likes music or loved music. 712 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,480 He was a musicologist, and he's-- you know, 713 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,640 you could go as deep as you wanted 714 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,880 to about classical music. 715 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,240 He was massive Schoenberg fan. 716 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,200 He introduced me to George Russell's 717 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,240 Lydian chromatic concept of tonal organization 718 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,800 when I was about 12. 719 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,680 He was-- you know, he was very, very deep into music, 720 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,240 so his ideas of space and time passing notes 721 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,840 were thought about a lot. 722 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,680 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "SIMPLE MAN"] 723 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,040 BAD COMPANY: [SINGING] I'm just a simple man. 724 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:55,920 Yeah. 725 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:11,160 Freedom is the only thing means a damn to me. 726 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,040 I'm just a simple man. 727 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,440 SIMON KIRKE: I got to say, the first few years in Bad Company 728 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:26,280 were the happiest of my life because we had four guys who 729 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,400 were just having fun, and we didn't have to worry 730 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,920 about guitars falling over. 731 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,040 We didn't have to worry about deadlines to meet. 732 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,040 We-- we had a superb management. 733 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,600 We-- we had-- everything was clear. 734 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,560 All it-- it was only left for us to play, 735 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,400 and-- and there was such a sense of relief after Free that-- 736 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,240 I'm speaking for myself, not for Paul. 737 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,720 You know, I just-- 738 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,240 I loved it. 739 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,280 And we could do no wrong. 740 00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,560 It was just wonderful. 741 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,880 MICK RALPHS: We all got on famously. 742 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,440 We were-- there was a lot of energy there, 743 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,120 you know, the four of us. 744 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,320 PAUL ROGERS: I think there was-- 745 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,920 there was a compatibility. 746 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,200 I can sing Mick's songs, you know, and he can play mine. 747 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,000 So that's really probably the nucleus of the band-- 748 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,640 was that-- really that song writing 749 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,160 team, because that's how we hooked up in the first place. 750 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,960 To me it was immediately an advantage 751 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,080 because it's hard to take on the role of songwriting for-- 752 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,720 songwriting is really the lifeblood of any band, 753 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,200 and it's a tough call to keep on coming up with new stuff 754 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,840 all the time, you know? 755 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,680 And there's also that sense of a little bit of competition. 756 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,320 You did that, so I'll do this. - Yeah. 757 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,520 And you know, I mean, you could 758 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,200 throw songs at each other. 759 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,840 And there's also the thing of I can't get this thing finished. 760 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,040 Why do you got any ideas for this? 761 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:42,920 And then you can-- 762 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,840 Chuck a bit in. 763 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,200 Amalgamate ideas. 764 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,560 Oh, I've got a bit that would work with-- 765 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:47,920 - That's right. - And off you go. 766 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:48,680 - [inaudible]. - Yeah. 767 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,160 Yeah. Yeah. 768 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,880 Well, "Feel Like Making Love" was a classic example. 769 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,280 Paul had the riffs, and had the riff, 770 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,800 and they just worked together. 771 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,400 We really captured what we're singing about, you know? 772 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,720 Yeah. 773 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,360 The boy bit and the girl bit, but Simon's 774 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,920 a great writer, as well. 775 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,680 He's written some great stuff, and I 776 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,040 think that's why he's so good to play with as a drummer, 777 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,440 because he does understand music, 778 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,960 but he's not just a drummer. 779 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,240 You know, he's great drummer, but he also plays guitar 780 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,960 and piano, sings, write songs. 781 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,880 So he has great empathy for a song. 782 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,360 As a guitar player, I find that great as-- 783 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,920 in a drummer that actually listens to the words 784 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,480 and takes the dynamics where the song is going instead 785 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,640 of just crashing through it. 786 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,160 Like some drummers will just-- 787 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,160 I'm the drummer. 788 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,840 We'll you see you at the end. 789 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,360 He rides through song beautifully. 790 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,120 - Thank you, man. - You know, up and down. 791 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,640 Oh, yeah. 792 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,200 I think really that's the only way to be, you know? 793 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,600 I-- I can't do it-- 794 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,120 I couldn't work with that. 795 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,120 I can't be doing with people that aren't listening. 796 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,640 What's that? 797 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,160 That's not-- music is actually listening to each other, 798 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,200 and reacting, and bouncing off each other. 799 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,760 That is what it is, you know? 800 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,920 It's not-- do you know what I mean? 801 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,080 MICK RALPHS: Absolutely. 802 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,120 PAUL ROGERS: It would drive me nuts 803 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,240 if everybody was playing and just 804 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,760 not listening to each other. 805 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,240 It's all about me, blah, blah, blah. 806 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,400 MICK RALPHS: We've all played with people like that 807 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,600 in various jam situations. 808 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,760 PAUL ROGERS: Yeah, but not for long. 809 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,440 MICK RALPHS: And then you realize 810 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,680 how lucky we are because, you know, it's not about technique 811 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,200 or, you know, showing off. 812 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,360 No, it's about feeling. 813 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,920 It's about playing other people. 814 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,120 Everybody knew that this was going to be-- it just-- 815 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,640 it was right. 816 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,320 It was Paul Rogers, Mick Ralphs, and Simon all together. 817 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,680 Everybody knew it was good. 818 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,680 To give you the example, the first UK tour they 819 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,080 did there was no album out. 820 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,720 There was no single out. 821 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,760 It was pretty much word of mouth that the band was together, 822 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,560 and they sold out a national tour 823 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,720 as it was then Hammersmith Odeon, Newcastle City Hall, 824 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,320 like the headlining thing. 825 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,680 You couldn't get a ticket, and they didn't have an album. 826 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,000 It was just simply word of mouth, 827 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,680 and it was completely sold out. 828 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,160 SIMON KIRKE: We were seasoned veterans in our early '20s, 829 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,920 and we had a great repertoire. 830 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,160 We-- we'd been around a bit, and we had the backing of the Led 831 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,600 bloody Zeppelin and Pete Grant, who is possibly the best 832 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,440 manager I ever worked with. 833 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,840 We had a good set. 834 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,360 We had-- you know, Paul was a great singer. 835 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,640 We-- we could do no wrong. 836 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,160 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "GOOD LOVIN GONE BAD"] 837 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,160 [SINGING] If I hear you knocking upon my door, 838 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,480 ain't no way that I'm gonna answer then. 839 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,199 Cheating is one thing, and lying is another. 840 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,600 When I say it's over, that's it. 841 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,000 I'm gonna quit. 842 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,400 SIMON KIRKE: I believe the first album went to number one, 843 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,280 or was it Bachman Turner Overdrive beat us by-- 844 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,600 I don't know. 845 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,199 There's always someone just preventing us, 846 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,560 but it was a great debut album. 847 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,960 And we were off and running. 848 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,840 Peter phoned me, or Paul, or both of us 849 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,520 and said we've got this Ronnie Lane's mobile studio 850 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,280 and this empty house, and Zeppelin aren't going 851 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,120 to go in there because Bonzo is not well, 852 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,800 and they want have some weeks off. 853 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,560 Why don't you go in there and lay down some tracks? 854 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:48,560 We said, right. 855 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:49,920 We were in there like a shot. 856 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,440 And we had the guitar in one room. 857 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,000 We had maybe the vocal on the balcony 858 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,360 somewhere and had drums in the-- 859 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,560 in the foyer. 860 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,720 It just was cool. 861 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,000 MICK RALPHS: Paul sang outside, yeah, on one of the-- 862 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,120 Bad Company in the-- 863 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:04,600 in the moonlight. 864 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,120 PAUL ROGERS: We set the mic up way out in the field 865 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:07,880 and everything, and there's a full moon, 866 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,720 and the wind blowing across it and stuff, you know. 867 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,440 And it was-- it was incredibly atmospheric, 868 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,000 because I was standing out there in the dark 869 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,400 with headphones on and just-- 870 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:19,840 just-- I could just hear the music, 871 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,080 you know, and just my voice. 872 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,880 And it was a very cosmic place to be, 873 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,320 and it made for good atmosphere. 874 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,400 I suggested that Paul sing outside. 875 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,520 It was a little chilly night, and I remember that 876 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,920 because at the end of the song "Bad Company," 877 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,840 there's a little-- it goes "and the cold wind blows." 878 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,640 You know, it's just a little ad lib at the end 879 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,840 because he was really cold. 880 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,160 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "BAD COMPANY"] 881 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:45,600 BAD COMPANY: [SINGING] The cold wind blows. 882 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,160 These are the days before reverb. 883 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,240 Before digital reverb you had to have either a live chamber 884 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,040 or a plate. 885 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,840 You didn't have that in a little mobile truck, 886 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,400 so you looked for little nooks and crannies 887 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,840 that you could create a sound with. 888 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,960 And lay down all the-- 889 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,880 the backing tracks, vocals, overdubs in two weeks, yeah. 890 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,720 It took 10 days. 891 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,520 We just slammed it down. 892 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,200 I think that one of the things that 893 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,040 made that first album so important was that, as a group, 894 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,480 they had gotten together. 895 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,640 And if you look at Paul Rodgers, who 896 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,720 had an amazing run with Free, but also 897 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,840 Andy Fraser as his other writer in the group-- 898 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120 Andy was much more an R&B guy. 899 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:38,360 Paul had some good balance that he had stored, 900 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,240 and if you look at Mott the Hoople, 901 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,080 Mick took a backseat to Ian Hunter 902 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,440 in a lot of the writing capacity. 903 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,600 And he had some good rockers like "Can't Get Enough 904 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,040 of Your Love" and all that. 905 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,000 He put them together, and those days, that rocker 906 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,200 guy and the ballad guy-- 907 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,640 and you had a lot of great material. 908 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,240 Well, we'd been rehearsing, and we were bursting 909 00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,600 to get this stuff done. 910 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,200 The interesting thing was at that time we-- 911 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,240 I didn't really have too much of a vision 912 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,920 of what the band would be. 913 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,200 It was really a bunch of guys with a bunch of songs, really, 914 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,040 and we put everything down that we had. 915 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,600 RON NEVISON: We went down there and recorded more material 916 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,240 than we needed, actually. 917 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,880 We had-- there was a song called superstar women that I think 918 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,520 eventually came out, but-- 919 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,960 that I really liked that didn't make the cut. 920 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,480 PAUL ROGERS: So there was no-- 921 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,080 no feeling of, well, you they've all got-- all the songs 922 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,840 have got to sound this way, or they've all got 923 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,760 to sound this way or that way. 924 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,040 There was everything from Bad Company to Seagull, you know, 925 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,360 all of the songs. 926 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,480 And it-- it made for an interesting album. 927 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,200 And I've always liked-- 928 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,280 if there's such a thing as a format for doing things, 929 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,520 that would be the best way. 930 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,280 Instead of saying, well, all the songs 931 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,320 have got to be in a certain sort of way, you know, 932 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,360 a certain character or a certain thing, 933 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,120 they can be totally different. 934 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,800 The more different, the better, I think. 935 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,320 RON NEVISON: It went very quickly because they 936 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,320 were well rehearsed. 937 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,360 They had a lot of good ideas. 938 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,160 PAUL ROGERS: And the song "Bad Company," for instance, 939 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,800 I had that-- 940 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,360 having got the idea of this sort of dark, mysterious vast 941 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,920 expanse of the Wild West, you know, 942 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,800 this lawless, featureless area where you want 943 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,720 to go out and try and settle. 944 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,080 And the chords seemed to portray this feeling of being 945 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,400 way out there and being-- 946 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,880 having to survive with yourself, your family, whatever, however 947 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,760 you could in a lawless world of-- of nature, 948 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,800 really, a wild place. 949 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,680 And so I had all the structure of that, and Simon came around, 950 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,320 and I said, here's a song I'm working on. 951 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,040 So Simon threw a few lines in for me with that, 952 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,560 and that became "Bad Company." 953 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,760 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "BAD COMPANY"] 954 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,000 [SINGING] Six gun in my hand. 955 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,960 Behind a gun, I'll make final stand. 956 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:01,920 That's why they call me bad company. 957 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,400 I can't deny. 958 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,440 Bad company till the day I die. 959 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,360 Yeah. 960 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,120 I mean we did tour in England and Europe, 961 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,160 which was very well received. 962 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,560 The next step was-- the logical step was going to the States, 963 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,440 and we did our first big tour supporting Edgar Winter, 964 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,400 and then the following winter we were headlining. 965 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,360 The first Bad Company album, "Bad Co," 966 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,360 was one of those rare records that people heard it once, 967 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,400 and they liked it. 968 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,240 I remember I did a press mailing, 969 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,840 and-- and two days later I was at a party, 970 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,960 and Joan Downs who was then the music writer and editor 971 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,520 for "Time" magazine came up to me and said, 972 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,680 wow, Bad Company is great. 973 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,920 I was so surprised that she knew-- 974 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,440 bothered to listen to it, or thought it was great. 975 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,160 And similarly, the song "Can't Get Enough of Your Love" 976 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,520 was just so perfect for American rock and roll radio 977 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,200 1974 that the promotion people at Atlantic 978 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,880 were-- were very delighted with the record. 979 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,280 One of the last shows was in Boston, 980 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,920 and Peter Grant flew up, and he always 981 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,120 had this habit of giving us a little pep 982 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:28,600 talk before we went on. 983 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,160 He says, you had a good tour. 984 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,560 You've done well, and I just want to show you something 985 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,160 before you go onstage. 986 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,720 And he whipped back this towel on the table, 987 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,160 and there were four gold albums. 988 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,440 The first album had been certified gold. 989 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,120 I mean, we just-- 990 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,600 we had no idea, because there was no internet in those days. 991 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,480 There was no-- you know, we just didn't know 992 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,160 how well it was going, so anyway he says [inaudible] well done, 993 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,800 boys. 994 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,000 Now get the fuck out of here and go and do what you do well. 995 00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:02,440 This was a bullseye in terms of rock commerciality in 1974, 996 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,520 and there was very little difficulty 997 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,720 in getting them on tour, getting it on the radio, 998 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,240 getting press for them. 999 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,360 And it went to number one very, very quickly. 1000 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,760 SIMON KIRKE: So when we came back the next time in '75-- 1001 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,520 our first tour where we headlined-- 1002 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,040 I mean, you know, we went from opening-- 1003 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,840 an opening act to headlining. 1004 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,280 PAUL ROGERS: It meant we did a lot of shows, it seemed to me. 1005 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,760 We were flat out on the road and sort of trying 1006 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,280 to catch up with ourselves. 1007 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,560 And when we suddenly confronted with the studio again, 1008 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,760 and hey, record another album, we were like, OK, what did 1009 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,160 we do the first time, you know? 1010 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,680 Now with hindsight I can think back 1011 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,680 and say, well, this is what we did, and this is how it was, 1012 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,160 but at that time, it was just a whirlwind, really. 1013 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,120 And so we were back in the studio 1014 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,160 ready to do another album, and it 1015 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,680 mostly reflected our experiences on the road at that time. 1016 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,440 MICK RALPHS: I'd like to apologize for Paul not being 1017 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,720 here, but he's been attacked by some notorious lady, 1018 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:01,640 I think, and-- 1019 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,520 Yeah [inaudible]. 1020 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,720 --absconded with. 1021 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,640 But he sends his regards. 1022 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,040 He says he thanks you. 1023 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,400 PAUL ROGERS: You have all your life 1024 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,840 to make your first album more or less [inaudible] 1025 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,520 long as it takes to get there. 1026 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,160 Next thing you know you're back in the studio to do it again. 1027 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,080 We went to Clearwell Castle, I think, 1028 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,160 and it was a little bit different, though. 1029 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,080 It wasn't-- I-- I didn't find it quite so organic in the sense 1030 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,520 that the place was also run commercially, 1031 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,760 and they had parties for-- you know, 1032 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,360 you could do a medieval party there, 1033 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,880 and everybody got dressed up in armor-- 1034 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,320 suits of armor and drank mead. 1035 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,400 And they roasted pigs and stuff like that. 1036 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,000 It was really weird sometimes. I'd be wandering. 1037 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,480 I'd be like, where's the bass player? 1038 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,520 You know, and I'd go through all these corridors and things, 1039 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,920 and there would be a big party going on, 1040 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,640 and all those people dressed in medieval gear. 1041 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,280 And right in the middle of it all 1042 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,880 would be Boz drinking mead, and eating, you know, roast pig. 1043 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:53,920 Boz, we got a session to do. 1044 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,840 Come on. 1045 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,960 You know. 1046 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,760 So it was a little bit different, 1047 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,200 but it was-- it was still very atmospheric. 1048 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,840 WOMAN: I heard you produced your last album in a Welsh castle. 1049 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,040 Yeah. 1050 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,680 WOMAN: What's the story behind that? 1051 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,040 We just fancied doing it in a situation where we could be 1052 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,640 just-- just the band together, because I don't know 1053 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,720 if you're familiar with studios, but there's this 1054 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,160 tendency to waste a lot of time in studios, I think. 1055 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,520 BOZ BURRELL: They're sterile. 1056 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,080 With people coming in and out all the time, 1057 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,840 and there's an atmosphere of having to make a record. 1058 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,120 PAUL ROGERS: Down through the years, 1059 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:26,480 I've shared a lot of the songs that I've 1060 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,440 written with the band, and I do that because-- 1061 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,120 to give a sense of cohesion, and it's not all about me, 1062 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:33,640 you know? 1063 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,240 MICK RALPHS: He'd had an idea, and he'd play it to me, 1064 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,680 and then we'd chuck it around, and I'd come up with a bit 1065 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,520 for it, or a chorus, or a-- 1066 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,680 a middle eighth of it, but I think generally he 1067 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,880 wrote some good songs on his own, 1068 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,360 and I wrote some good songs on my own. 1069 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,400 Like "Shooting Star" he wrote on his own. 1070 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,720 "Good Lovin Gone Bad" I wrote, and this is the second album, 1071 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,240 and so we were both quite prolific at the time. 1072 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,680 So we used to do that, you know? 1073 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,680 He'd have an idea, and I'd say, well, it needs-- 1074 00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,800 you know, it's all very nice, but it needs something here, 1075 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,280 you know? 1076 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,280 Give it a bit of action like "Feel Like Making Love." 1077 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,720 PAUL ROGERS: "Feel Like Making Love" was a song that I had-- 1078 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:06,880 I'd been working on. 1079 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,160 I mean, I had it on the back burner. 1080 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,280 I had lots of songs on the back burner. 1081 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,680 I'm sure a lot of songwriters do. 1082 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,800 It's-- not everything gets finished. 1083 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,000 From my time with Free, actually, 1084 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,600 when I was touring with them in San Francisco, I said-- 1085 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:20,960 I had some experiences of then. 1086 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,240 That song came from then. 1087 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,720 "Feel Like Making Love" was two songs. 1088 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,600 He had the verse, and I had the chorus. 1089 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:28,960 And I said to Mick, oh, here's this idea I had. 1090 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,640 Baby, when I think about you. 1091 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,000 And I said, it just needs something-- 1092 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,560 something to take this somewhere, 1093 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,320 and he comes up with-- 1094 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,440 and I went OK. 1095 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,800 Feel like making-- you know, and that's how that came about. 1096 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,720 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "FEEL LIKE MAKING LOVE"] 1097 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:50,120 [SINGING] Feel like making love. 1098 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,560 Feel like making love. 1099 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,400 Feel like making love to you. 1100 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,160 PAUL ROGERS: I sometimes feel like they're almost 1101 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,720 written through you sometimes. 1102 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,240 "Shooting Star" was a song like that 1103 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,040 because I was just walking along, and I was-- 1104 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,840 I think I was out at my cottage, and I started to sing. 1105 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,520 Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatles song. 1106 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,800 I went, hm, I must have heard that on the radio somewhere. 1107 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,280 I went no. 1108 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,520 And I ran back in there, and I started to work out 1109 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,480 the chords and stuff, you know? 1110 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,760 And the song just flowed out. 1111 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,600 And I couldn't believe, really, that no one had thought to-- 1112 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:36,280 no other songwriter had come up with the idea 1113 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,760 of equating a shooting star with a shooting star, 1114 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,440 you know what I mean? 1115 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,120 Like the idea of burning out too early and that kind of thing. 1116 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,080 So, you know, I just thought it was a good idea. 1117 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,920 One of these days I want to create a musical 1118 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,840 around "Shooting Star" and expand the story, 1119 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,680 and I think that would be quite a nice-- because it's 1120 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,120 happened so many times before. 1121 00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:59,320 SIMON KIRKE: We went from opening-- 1122 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,760 and opening act to-- to headlining. 1123 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,360 We were full of ourselves. 1124 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,480 And we were actually-- 1125 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,360 we had our own plane, for god's sake, 1126 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,160 so we could zip from city to city, and it was wonderful. 1127 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,320 RON NEVISON: They were so filthy rich they couldn't afford 1128 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,240 to stay in Britain because they could only be there 1129 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,000 for whatever the restrictions are-- 1130 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,840 63 days a year for a tax situation. 1131 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,920 They looked at a lot of different options. 1132 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,600 One was the US, but they didn't want to use up their-- 1133 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:34,360 their days of touring visa, and so they 1134 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,240 decided on the south of France. 1135 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,320 And we rented this villa up in Grasse, 1136 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,040 which is just north of [inaudible] 1137 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,560 in the south of France. 1138 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,720 The album, "Run With the Pack." 1139 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,600 We used the Rolling Stones' mobile. 1140 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,240 We all arrived, and we all had a, you know, cup of tea 1141 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,600 waiting for the thing to arrive. 1142 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:53,760 All of us sat around the table-- the road crew, you know, 1143 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,000 Paul, and myself, and Mick, and Boz. 1144 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,160 Suddenly we hear this huge bloody knock on the door. 1145 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,720 [inaudible] 1146 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,480 And it was Mick [inaudible]. 1147 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,960 He was the Stones' mobile engineer. 1148 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,320 He [inaudible] all right. 1149 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,680 He says, well, bit of a problem. 1150 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,160 Can't the fucking mobile through the gates. 1151 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,280 It's to wide. 1152 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,160 You're kidding. 1153 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,160 No. 1154 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,120 It's about two feet too wide. 1155 00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:26,240 The truck got stuck about 200 yards short of the house. 1156 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,160 And one of Clive's suggestions was to bring in a helicopter 1157 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,520 and raise it over the wall. 1158 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,680 So we called [inaudible] and he says rent another villa. 1159 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,760 So we rented another villa, and it did have gates wide enough 1160 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,520 to accommodate the mobile. 1161 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,240 And we did the recording there, and we kept the villa 1162 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,840 where we were and stayed there. 1163 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,120 So we had more money than sense in those days. 1164 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,000 No one thought to take a tape measure 1165 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,840 and measure the bloody mobile. 1166 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,440 Would it get through the gates? 1167 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,640 So we had two villas on the go at the same time, 1168 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,640 and defeated the whole object of being residential-- commuting 1169 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,320 from one villa to another. 1170 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,480 We always produced ourselves for our faults, 1171 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,200 but I think we were pretty, you know-- 1172 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:15,840 I suppose opinionated is the wrong word, 1173 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,600 but we really felt strongly about how we wanted it to sound 1174 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,040 and which way we wanted the music to go, 1175 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,520 and we didn't want anybody taking it away from them. 1176 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,480 We did work with various different people 1177 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,160 in different stages of production. 1178 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,320 We used the guy from Jimi Hendrix-- 1179 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,760 Eddie Kramer, and he was very good. 1180 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,360 You know, we did some mixes with him in LA. 1181 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,160 That was great, but I think that in all situations 1182 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,640 we all overrode their opinions. 1183 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,280 We-- we knew what we wanted. 1184 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,360 You know, we-- we maybe used them to help us to get where we 1185 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,040 wanted to go, but we never actually acknowledged 1186 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,560 the use of a producer per se. 1187 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,160 The first three were particularly well received, and 1188 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,840 well recorded, and very strong. 1189 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,760 The fourth one wasn't so strong because we 1190 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,320 were-- we'd been on tour. 1191 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,040 We'd do an album tour, album tour, album tour. 1192 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,320 Came to do the fourth album, and Paul and I really 1193 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,480 hadn't got a lot of ideas. 1194 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,160 So we did the "Burning Sky" album 1195 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,240 anyway and knocked together some songs, but it wasn't-- 1196 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,320 we didn't have a good stockpile of songs, 1197 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,560 which is the best thing to do before you go into a studio. 1198 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,480 You know, you go in with about 15 or 20, 1199 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,240 and you end up with about 12 or something. 1200 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,160 We didn't have about six when we went to do that record, 1201 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,680 and they weren't all going to make it. 1202 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,560 So we were writing things in the studio, which 1203 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,160 is always not a good idea simply because of the schedule we 1204 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,600 were at. 1205 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,640 I mean, it wasn't as if we hadn't had any time off, 1206 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,320 but when you come off major tours, 1207 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,240 you don't want to go straight into a studio. 1208 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,120 So you have a bit of time off ostensibly to write, 1209 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,320 but I mean, you don't. 1210 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,200 You just sort of recover from the tour. 1211 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,400 SIMON KIRKE: We did one tour in America of 70 cities. 1212 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,400 70 cities. 1213 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,560 It was like, wow, where-- 1214 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,320 we didn't know half the time where we were playing. 1215 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,920 You know, Mick would have to have, 1216 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,360 hey, Springfield, or hey, Chicago, great to be here. 1217 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,960 Sometimes we didn't know where we were. 1218 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,000 It became a big problem for us. 1219 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,080 It was something that Paul brought up very well. 1220 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,440 He said, listen, I can't take this endless tour album. 1221 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:18,960 I need some time off, man. 1222 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,400 I need-- give me just a month or two months, 1223 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,800 but don't keep booking things without, 1224 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,080 you know, consulting us. 1225 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,440 MICK RALPHS: We suddenly realized, well, 1226 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,000 we can't go in and make another record 1227 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,240 without more preparation, without having more songs. 1228 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,640 I mean, we got away with a fourth album. 1229 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,440 It was not a bad album at all. 1230 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,840 There's some good songs on there, 1231 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,440 but there wasn't the abundance of the-- 1232 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,440 as there was in the first three, and so we just 1233 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,080 had to try to make up for that on "Desolation 1234 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,560 Angels," which I think we did. 1235 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,960 PAUL ROGERS: I needed to write a song for the album, 1236 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,920 and I was thinking, you know, what 1237 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:50,880 I'm going to write about now. 1238 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,160 And I actually had a-- 1239 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,600 a synth guitar. 1240 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:54,960 It was one of the first synth guitars 1241 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,120 that ever came out made by Roland, 1242 00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:01,360 and when you got it going, it made some fantastic sounds. 1243 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,680 And it had-- you know, it had harpsichord sound. 1244 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,120 It had a bass sound. 1245 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,720 The guitar could be made to play harpsichord, bass, 1246 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,000 a guitar, acoustic, everything, you know, 1247 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,360 all these different sounds. 1248 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,280 And I was putting all these sounds in, 1249 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,880 and I-- and I hit this, and I went, wow, this is like a rock 1250 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,080 and roll fantasy, this guitar. 1251 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,320 And I went, a ha, that's it. 1252 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:21,960 So and then I just-- 1253 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,200 I just-- I wrote, OK, what would a rock and roll fantasy be? 1254 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,280 Well, it would be being on stage, and the lights, 1255 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,960 and the crowd, and everybody singing, 1256 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,880 and just brought the song around there. 1257 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,920 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "ROCK AND ROLL AND FANTASY"] 1258 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,880 [SINGING] It's all part of my rock and roll fantasy. 1259 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:47,280 It's all part of my rock and roll dream. 1260 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,840 SIMON KIRKE: Everythone was doing blow-- 1261 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,880 everyone except Paul Rogers, and I'll 1262 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,000 categorically state that right now, because Paul quit 1263 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,880 all that stuff in the mid '70s. 1264 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,880 So he was never involved in any of this, 1265 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,360 but I was, and I did a lot of blow. 1266 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,640 Boz did. Mick did. 1267 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,320 The whole Zeppelin camp did, and, you know, as anyone out 1268 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,920 there will know-- 1269 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,720 by the way, I'm many years sober now, 1270 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,920 but I speak with experience that coke just 1271 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,160 makes you incredibly paranoid. 1272 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,440 It makes you drink like a fish. 1273 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,200 There is no redeeming factor in cocaine. 1274 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,480 JASON BONHAM: "Desolation Angel" just came out. 1275 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,960 They just played Birmingham Odeon, 1276 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,160 and dad got me to learn "Rock and Roll Fantasy," 1277 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,200 so when they came over, I played it, 1278 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,760 but even Paul tells the story different. 1279 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,440 Ah, yeah, you played "Can't Get Enough of Your Love." 1280 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,120 I went, it wasn't "Can't Get Enough of Your Love." 1281 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,240 I played "Rock and Roll Fantasy" [inaudible]. 1282 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,400 MAN: So where did you play? 1283 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,280 At my house. 1284 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,720 At my dad's house, yeah. 1285 00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,280 When-- I was in my pajamas. 1286 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,560 I remember be woken up. 1287 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,160 It's your time, you know? 1288 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,600 Down I come, you know. 1289 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:08,240 And just played it. 1290 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,920 So that-- that was the first time 1291 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,880 Paul actually turned to Simon and went, you're fired. 1292 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,240 It was one of the many times he did that, [inaudible] but yeah, 1293 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,720 it was [inaudible]. 1294 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,200 So that's the truth. 1295 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,880 1980 was a horrible year. 1296 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,000 You know, Lennon was shot. 1297 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,120 I believe-- you're going to have to look up the chronology, 1298 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,960 but I think it was just after Bonzo had died. 1299 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,160 It was horrible. 1300 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,080 When John Bonham passed away, he-- 1301 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,640 he sort of became a virtual recluse. 1302 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,280 He took it really hard. 1303 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,520 SIMON KIRKE: The band had been-- 1304 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,320 it had run itself into the ground. 1305 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,160 We were tour, album, tour, album. 1306 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,640 We were all knackered, and then when John died, 1307 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,280 Zeppelin broke up. 1308 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,560 It was like a house of cards, because once Zeppelin went, 1309 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,080 Peter Grant went into seclusion. 1310 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,880 There was no one to look after us, Bad Company. 1311 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,080 We'd go to his house for meetings, 1312 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,680 and we wouldn't see him, you know? 1313 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,640 And we got the feeling that he-- he wasn't really that-- 1314 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,280 well, understandably he'd lost a lot of enthusiasm for the job. 1315 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,560 So we soldiered on without him, but that 1316 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,080 was not very successful. 1317 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,920 I mean, you know, when you have a band of four 1318 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,960 strong characters, and the manager is the stronger-- 1319 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,240 stronger than any of us, and he's done on the scene, 1320 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,720 everybody then decides they know best. 1321 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,360 So when you've got four people in the band 1322 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,920 thinking they know best, you know, it's not going to work. 1323 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,080 At least he was the one we listened to in terms of, 1324 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,080 you know, touring or recording not material, 1325 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,960 but timing of everything. 1326 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,080 So then we did an album that was-- it OK, but it was-- 1327 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,360 it was not the same after-- 1328 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,720 without Peter's involvement. 1329 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,040 That was the last album, "Rough Diamond." 1330 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,360 Then after that, Paul decided that he wanted to quit. 1331 00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,520 SIMON KIRKE: By the end of 1979, when 1332 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,080 we'd done "Rough Diamonds," which was really not very good, 1333 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,000 there'd been a fight between Paul and Boz. 1334 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,000 Paul-- he expressed a desire to do his own album, 1335 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,000 so he was saving songs for his own stuff. 1336 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,720 Mick wasn't-- you know, they weren't collaborating anymore. 1337 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,320 Mick was writing his own stuff, and it's-- 1338 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,840 it happens, you know? 1339 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,160 It happens with all great song writing partnerships. 1340 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,840 Eventually there will come a time 1341 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,480 where you'll save your own stuff for something that you want 1342 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,240 to do solo, and that's what Paul did, 1343 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,880 and to a lesser extent, Mick. 1344 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,320 PAUL ROGERS: The thing about music for me 1345 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,720 is that music is really the most important thing, 1346 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,400 and we were-- we were young, and we were successful, 1347 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:42,880 and we did a lot of partying. 1348 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,280 And I felt that we were losing touch with the music, 1349 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,920 and it was getting too much about the parties. 1350 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,640 It was too much like a "Shooting Star" situation, 1351 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,000 if you know what I mean. 1352 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,160 And I just felt that we-- 1353 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,080 we'd lost track of the original fire that we had, 1354 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,880 and I wanted to get away and do something else basically. 1355 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,280 We weren't getting on, and that was mainly to do 1356 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,520 because Peter wasn't around. 1357 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,960 He would always sort out any friction. 1358 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,280 Oh, don't be such an old tart and stuff like that-- 1359 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,000 and get us all unified as a group again. 1360 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,600 We'd lost that unity. 1361 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,680 And you know, I love Paul, and I respected and admired 1362 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,720 Paul since, you know, 1968. 1363 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,000 That's how far back we go. 1364 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,040 I think he's one of the finest singers in the history 1365 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,320 of "singingdom," but I don't know 1366 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:34,480 what he got under his bonnet about Boz, because Boz 1367 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,480 was new on the scene. 1368 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,840 Christ, he'd been a singer up until 1973. 1369 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,440 I mean, he'd only been playing bass a couple of months, 1370 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,680 you know, when we got hold of him. 1371 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,720 The thing about Boz was he was very musical, 1372 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,280 and he wasn't scared to voice his opinion about, you know-- 1373 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,240 almost bloody annoying, actually. 1374 00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,960 You know, we'd come to the end of this frantic song, 1375 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,640 this great, you know, like a woomp on the end of it 1376 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,920 on the drums. 1377 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,520 And he'd go, uh, should we do another one. 1378 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,320 Simon would start complaining about how it sounded, 1379 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,400 and he'd go up to the desk and turn it up full volume, 1380 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,720 look around, and look at everybody, 1381 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,320 and then [inaudible]. 1382 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:15,960 Around He said, well that used to work in the old days. 1383 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,960 We were saying I know what to do, and Paul was saying, 1384 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,080 I know what to do. 1385 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,000 And, you know, Boz is-- so it was 1386 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,440 all like four different people as opposed to a group. 1387 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,880 And I think that's [inaudible] that's when Paul decided he 1388 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,440 didn't want to do it anymore. 1389 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,360 And we quit just after that. 1390 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,520 SIMON KIRKE: Paul said, you know, I 1391 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,000 can't take this anymore. 1392 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,000 I'm going to do my own thing. 1393 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,400 And it was just a general screw up all around. 1394 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,280 So that really was the end of Bad Company 1395 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,520 and the end of Led Zeppelin. 1396 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,880 My emphasis has always been about music. 1397 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,560 Really that's the thing that-- 1398 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,880 that's the only reason I do it. 1399 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,840 It's not to be successful or to be famous. 1400 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,960 It's to be a songwriter, and to sing, and to reach out, 1401 00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,200 and to connect with people. 1402 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,800 That's really my thing, you know? 1403 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,520 And everything else is a side issue, you know? 1404 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,400 And I felt we were losing touch with that-- 1405 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,160 the idea of playing just to reach people. 1406 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,600 I don't know. 1407 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,680 And so I went to seek something else, you know? 1408 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,040 I thought at the time that maybe 1409 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,680 he just wanted some time off, you know, as you sometimes do. 1410 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,400 When you work closely together, you just want 1411 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,080 a bit of a breather, you know? 1412 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,120 Get on each other's nerves if you're in each other's company 1413 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:25,760 all time. 1414 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,840 In the old days, I remember so-and-so leaves The Searchers. 1415 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,120 End of group. 1416 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,840 No reunion planned. 1417 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,960 It was all headlines, but with us-- with Free 1418 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,480 and with Bad Company it was like we just kind of dissipated 1419 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:40,960 and went our own ways. 1420 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,040 MICK RALPHS: And also at the time 1421 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:43,720 he was the only one that had kids. 1422 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,120 See, at the time, none of us had had children. 1423 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,680 He just wanted time apart from the group 1424 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,720 to spend with his family and do his own thing. 1425 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,920 So that was probably the right thing to do, 1426 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,360 because I think if we had continued, 1427 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,880 somebody might have got hurt along the way. 1428 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,760 You know, I mean, he was-- he was quite heady, 1429 00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,200 and I think his-- 1430 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,400 his decision to stop was the right one. 1431 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,000 It was a horrible time, as I said. 1432 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,520 1980 to '82 was an awful time for me personally, and I-- 1433 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:12,400 I developed an addiction, and I went to treatment. 1434 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:13,680 And when I came out, you know, it 1435 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,720 was all a bit of a-- bit of downer, really, 1436 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,200 and I missed the band terribly. 1437 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,840 I did. 1438 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,280 I mean, it was a great band, and we made some great music, 1439 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,000 but we really did need some time off. 1440 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,440 The group didn't continue, so we all drifted off 1441 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,400 into other things, but I think there was a period where we 1442 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,720 were just hanging around thinking, 1443 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,480 well, Paul will want to do something soon, 1444 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,760 but it didn't go that way. 1445 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,800 The door was always left open by pretty much all of us. 1446 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,840 Anyway, everybody went off and did whatever they did. 1447 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,800 Paul did some solo stuff. 1448 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,120 [inaudible] "Cut Loose." 1449 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,360 I think he did his first solo album. 1450 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,960 Yeah, and then Paul got involved 1451 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,160 with Jimmy Page a put together the band called The Firm. 1452 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,040 PAUL ROGERS: Because of John's death-- 1453 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,400 John Bonham, you know-- 1454 00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,120 and Jimmy said to me, well, we should form-- 1455 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,040 let's form a band and go on tour. 1456 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,120 And I said, well, you know, I really don't want to get 1457 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,880 into the grind again, you know? 1458 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,480 And he said, I'll tell you what-- what we'll do, 1459 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,280 we'll make two albums, and we'll do two tours, 1460 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,160 and that will be it. 1461 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,520 That's all we'll do. 1462 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,880 And I said, OK, that sounds good. 1463 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,440 And that's what we did. 1464 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,040 I did an album called "Take This" 1465 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:24,360 in about 1980, '81 with Simon and a few other musicians. 1466 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,200 Boz went off and played his jazz. 1467 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,640 He loved his jazz, and that's what he ended up 1468 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,320 doing, getting himself a 10, 12 piece jazz band up 1469 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,440 in Edinburgh, which he got his rocks off on, 1470 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,800 so thank goodness he did that. 1471 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,440 You know, we all find things to do, 1472 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,440 but it wasn't as rewarding as being in a group. 1473 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,240 Particularly, Simon, me, and Paul always 1474 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:46,720 being band members-- you know, when 1475 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,000 you make a living in that mentality, 1476 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,120 you depend on the other people you're with. 1477 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,320 PAUL ROGERS: I met BB King and played with him at his club 1478 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,440 in New York, and we did a song called 1479 01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,800 "Every Day of the Blues," which is the first song I played 1480 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,440 with Paul Kossoff on stage at the Fickle Pickle [inaudible], 1481 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,320 so for me it was a fantastic full 1482 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,640 circle to be playing that song. 1483 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,720 I-- I met Hubert Sumlin, who is-- 1484 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,040 and played with. 1485 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,640 He actually played "All Right Now" with me. 1486 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,360 CATHY BURRELL: Boz decided he wanted to retire, 1487 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,680 and Boz just basically stayed in the hammock on the poop deck 1488 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,040 for six years and got browner, and browner, and browner. 1489 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,720 The Four Tops invited me to play at their 50th anniversary 1490 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,280 in Detroit. 1491 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:37,200 When I met Paul, we were on the same show in Detroit. 1492 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,320 We were both doing a tribute to The Four Tops. 1493 01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,080 And that was a real honor, because I 1494 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,440 didn't even know that they would be aware of me, you know? 1495 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,920 Naturally, everyone knows about Paul 1496 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,720 Rogers and Bad Company, but I had no idea he was even there. 1497 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:56,640 [music playing] 1498 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,480 Because I really love you. 1499 01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:59,840 Really, really love you. 1500 01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:02,960 I'm thankful that you love me too. 1501 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,000 PAUL ROGERS: And I got to sing a couple of songs-- 1502 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,440 a couple of their songs, and they came on stage, 1503 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,640 and they actually stood behind me like I was their lead singer 1504 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,440 and they were my backing band, which was-- 1505 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,080 I mean, it was a real honor. 1506 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:22,400 To me Paul Rogers is one of the most 1507 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:27,640 underrated personalities you would ever want to meet. 1508 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,960 This man has talent beyond talent. 1509 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:38,160 This man can sing anything. 1510 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,800 He can sing the telephone book. 1511 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,520 I was watching TV one night, and then 1512 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,440 there was this Brit Awards or something, and Queen were on. 1513 01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,960 And then I realized Paul was singing with them. 1514 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,440 You know, they arranged to do "All Right Now" 1515 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,400 or something together. 1516 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:55,920 And I thought, wow, you know, that's great. 1517 01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:00,440 And then they obviously invited him to be the vocalist 1518 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,160 for some Queen shows. 1519 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,760 PAUL ROGERS: I had just played with Brian 1520 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,920 for [inaudible] charity at Wembley, and so we got talking. 1521 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,800 And he said, you know, we want to play that, 1522 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,160 but we need a singer. 1523 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,640 If you'll sing for us, our couple of songs-- 1524 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,440 "We Will Rock You," and "We are the Champions"-- 1525 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,200 we'll be your backing band for your song in "All Right Now." 1526 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,120 I sad that sounds like a good deal, and that's what we did, 1527 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:22,600 and it was dynamite. 1528 01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,080 BRIAN MAY: That, to me, was a great thing. 1529 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,360 It was just something which was kind of in my blood 1530 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,560 because we grew up on Free and Bad Company. 1531 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,400 Freddy was a big fan of Bad Company. 1532 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,000 So I went on and played with Paul, 1533 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,520 and it seemed like the most natural thing in the world. 1534 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,040 There was an instant easy chemistry there. 1535 01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,920 PAUL ROGERS: People-- people from the bowels 1536 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,360 of this building where we were rehearsing all came rushing up 1537 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,160 to see what the excitement was. 1538 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,160 You know, they were popping their heads in the door. 1539 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,680 So from the get go, it was very exciting. 1540 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,720 BRIAN MAY: And Paul, as it happened, 1541 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,000 was in a sort of lull, and Paul told 1542 01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,400 me later that he was considering giving 1543 01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:57,760 up playing at that point. 1544 01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,080 You know, he was feeling that he wanted 1545 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,600 to have some more home life and stuff, 1546 01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,480 but I'm afraid we put an end to that. 1547 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:03,600 [MUSIC - "FEEL LIKE MAKING LOVE"] 1548 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,080 [SINGING] Feel like making love. 1549 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,520 Feel like making love. 1550 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,000 Give it to me [inaudible]. 1551 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,000 Feel like making love. 1552 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,960 Don't you [inaudible]. 1553 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:22,440 Feel like making love. 1554 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:28,960 MICK RALPHS: It was very sad. 1555 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,640 We found out that Peter Grant had passed away in 1995. 1556 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:33,840 Obviously missed him terribly. 1557 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,120 Still do. 1558 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:36,400 It was good to see everybody, of course. 1559 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,320 We'd all lost touch with each other. 1560 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,200 We'd all gone off and done different things. 1561 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,880 Yeah, I mean, you know, we never felt out. 1562 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,320 We just went our own separate ways, 1563 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,840 so it was-- it was kind of nice to hook up, 1564 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,320 although it was a sad circumstance in which 1565 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,520 to get everybody together. 1566 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,600 And Robert Plant suggested to us at the 1567 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,960 get together that perhaps we should think about getting back 1568 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,000 together and doing something, which sowed 1569 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,920 the seed in everybody's mind, which eventually 1570 01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,200 led to the 1999 reunion. 1571 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:12,840 PAUL ROGERS: It was like as if we hadn't stopped. 1572 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,400 We started playing again, you know, 1573 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,600 and then really quickly we had the old chemistry back, 1574 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,280 which was quite amazing, really, because everybody 1575 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,400 had gone off and done loads of different things. 1576 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,200 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE"] 1577 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,320 [SINGING] I can't get enough of your love. 1578 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:31,280 You know that I can't get enough of your love. 1579 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,040 SIMON KIRKE: The reunion was not a success, 1580 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,680 and I think we could all agree that primarily 1581 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,200 there were two camps. 1582 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,360 There was Paul and myself, who were sober, and there 1583 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,360 was Mick and Boz, who weren't. 1584 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,400 And when-- when I'm trying to maintain sobriety, 1585 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,440 and I'm only speaking for myself here, 1586 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:55,800 and we have Mick and Boz who are completely the other way, 1587 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,960 it led to a huge divide. 1588 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,920 And we didn't get on. 1589 01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,760 Bottom line is it was not a success both commercially 1590 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,200 or personality-wise. 1591 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,080 And I think we were all quite glad to see 1592 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,840 the back of each other. 1593 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,440 Not so much me and Paul, because I've 1594 01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,080 always gotten on fairly well with Paul, but Boz 1595 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,160 became a problem. 1596 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,760 His intake was pretty bad, and, you know, 1597 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,160 it eventually killed him. 1598 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,720 It was Boz's belated 60th birthday party 1599 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,400 and had some friends staying, some musicians staying. 1600 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,880 And there was a lot of people arriving later on. 1601 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,200 I was in the kitchen cooking up a huge buffet, 1602 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,360 and Boz was wandering around. 1603 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:43,640 I think we're watching horseracing. 1604 01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,840 We were betting on the television on Sky. 1605 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,920 And Boz turned round to his friend Billy and said, gadger, 1606 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,200 life doesn't get any better than this. 1607 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,120 And he walked outside onto the patio, 1608 01:06:55,240 --> 01:07:01,040 and picked up Alvin's guitar, and said to Tam White-- 1609 01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,200 he said, no, no, no. 1610 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,560 That's the wrong note for this tune, 1611 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,480 and he's going this is how it's played. 1612 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,680 And the next thing we heard was the guitar hitting the floor, 1613 01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,320 and that was that, I'm afraid. 1614 01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,640 MICK RALPHS: Well, it affected me a lot. 1615 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,960 You know, I was very, very upset and obviously saddened. 1616 01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:21,560 He was a great friend of mine. 1617 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,800 Probably in the group we were the closest two, you know? 1618 01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,600 I mean, he got on with everybody, 1619 01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,640 but me and him used to hang out a lot 1620 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,720 and used to go out together, and if we shared a house on tour, 1621 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,720 we'd share it together, you know? 1622 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,640 So I was very good friends with him, and he was a lovely guy, 1623 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:41,040 and it did change, you know, the band. 1624 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:45,440 We plodded on without him, but I do miss him terribly, yeah. 1625 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,480 He was a great character in the band. 1626 01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,040 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "GONE, GONE, GONE"] 1627 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,800 BAD COMPANY: [SINGING] It ain't the first time, baby. 1628 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,720 Baby, it won't be the last. 1629 01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:02,520 I better get the boys round and do some drinking fast. 1630 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,960 Cause she's gone, gone, gone. 1631 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,480 Boz did drink heavily. 1632 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,480 Some would say detrimentally so. 1633 01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,120 I wouldn't agree with that, because in all the times 1634 01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:18,559 that I saw him drinking, he was always practicing, working, 1635 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:23,639 recording, laughing, listening, understanding, philosophizing. 1636 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,399 He lived a full life. 1637 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:26,960 Alcohol didn't prevent any of these things. 1638 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,559 He was never the curtains closed on your own bevy merchant. 1639 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:31,880 He wasn't one of those guys. 1640 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:32,920 He drank socially. 1641 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:37,200 He enjoyed drinking. 1642 01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:38,920 I never saw it as a bad thing. 1643 01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,800 ZOOT MONEY: He did have an incredible tolerance 1644 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,240 for stimulants, and he could actually 1645 01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,000 function, because he would play in whatever state he was in. 1646 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,360 He just wanted to continue doing what he liked to do. 1647 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,760 And so if he could have any excuse really to be playing 1648 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,559 or to be listening to music. 1649 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,680 He didn't believe in going out on a half life. 1650 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,160 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "GONE, GONE, GONE"] 1651 01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:04,040 BAD COMPANY: [SINGING] Cause she's gone, gone, gone. 1652 01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:05,000 I don't know if I'm happy. 1653 01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,479 I don't know if I'm sad. 1654 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,160 She's gone. 1655 01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:10,719 MAN: He was just something else, and if you could have seen him 1656 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,680 play in the last few years of his life, 1657 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,360 he became a world class bass player. 1658 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:17,399 Phenomenal. 1659 01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:25,600 The whole reason we got back together 1660 01:09:25,719 --> 01:09:30,200 was there was concern about the trademark of the name, 1661 01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:33,080 and because the band wasn't working, 1662 01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,040 there was a danger that other people might use the name 1663 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,399 and all these sort of things. 1664 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,440 So the obvious thing was to do something. 1665 01:09:41,559 --> 01:09:45,920 Well, Paul was still in Queen, and so I said, well, 1666 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:47,080 why don't we just do a gig? 1667 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,840 At least then it can be seen that we 1668 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,680 are working as Bad Company, you know, 1669 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,320 with Simon, and me, and Paul. 1670 01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:55,360 Obviously without poor old Boz. 1671 01:09:58,600 --> 01:09:59,760 So that's what we did. 1672 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,920 We did a gig in Florida at the Hard Rock. 1673 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,040 August, 2008. 1674 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:10,440 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "ROCK AND ROLL FANTASY"] 1675 01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:11,920 [SINGING] Yeah. 1676 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,280 Here come the jesters, one, two, three. 1677 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:25,400 SIMON KIRKE: Wonderful. 1678 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,800 I got to say that was absolutely-- 1679 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,920 came out of the blue. 1680 01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,160 I can't even remember why we did it. 1681 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,520 The name was being plagiarized by certain people, 1682 01:10:35,639 --> 01:10:37,559 and in fact, Mick, himself took it out on the road, 1683 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,639 and I didn't like that. 1684 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,559 And I decided that what we needed 1685 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,080 was to pull the thing together to have a new contract 1686 01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,000 between us which stated that none of us 1687 01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,680 could play without the other's permission or use the name. 1688 01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,760 So we said in order to define that we would do a show. 1689 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:55,880 We'd video the show. 1690 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,080 DVD the show. 1691 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,400 And we'd release it. 1692 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,040 Well, we had a good time playing that show, 1693 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:01,960 and the audience was fantastic. 1694 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,440 MICK RALPHS: So it was yet another kind of reformation, 1695 01:11:04,559 --> 01:11:06,440 I suppose, but it was-- yeah, but it 1696 01:11:06,559 --> 01:11:07,520 was like we hadn't stopped. 1697 01:11:07,639 --> 01:11:08,880 It was great. 1698 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,960 SIMON KIRKE: We filmed it, and Paul 1699 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:15,639 did some remixing of the tapes, and it was a big success. 1700 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,760 And it paved the way to do these 10 1701 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,120 shows earlier in-- in '09 when we 1702 01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,240 did the east coast of America. 1703 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,240 We were all a bit, you know, not quite sure 1704 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:30,160 how it would be without Boz and how we'd be received, 1705 01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,120 but of course, soon as he started 1706 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,360 playing and the audiences responded so well that we-- 1707 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,200 we felt good about it again, you know, 1708 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,120 despite Boz not being there. 1709 01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,480 The song still came across quite fresh, and-- 1710 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:49,639 and it was-- it was suddenly as if we hadn't stopped, 1711 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,880 but there was a long period in between where 1712 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,480 we hadn't done anything. 1713 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,040 There was Mick, and there was Paul, and there was myself. 1714 01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,840 And we had Howard Leese and Lynn Sorensen from Paul's solo band. 1715 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,360 And it was a wonderful combination. 1716 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:06,080 All I've ever wanted to do is be in a band, 1717 01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,000 and the band that I've been in the longest is Bad Company. 1718 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:10,400 And I can do that. 1719 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:11,880 I'm good at that. 1720 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,400 No, I think everybody else probably feels the same. 1721 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,760 I mean, we've all done different things in the interim, 1722 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,520 but nothing is rewarding-- for me, anyway. 1723 01:12:20,639 --> 01:12:22,400 Well, I'd just come off tour, and I 1724 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,000 said I'm not going to do another three month tour, thank you. 1725 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,880 Not straight off the bat, but we can do a couple of dates. 1726 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,719 So we end up doing these 10 dates. 1727 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,920 The 10 shows in-- 1728 01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,160 in '09 were some of the best that I've ever 1729 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,080 experienced in any band. 1730 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,719 But whether we go beyond that into recording new stuff is-- 1731 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,960 is-- you know, it could. 1732 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,600 And no reason not to. 1733 01:12:45,719 --> 01:12:48,160 See, it was a bit like the early days of Bad Company where 1734 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,680 we had left behind those demons, and we 1735 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,480 were now playing unfettered, unchained, 1736 01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,559 and just having a ball. 1737 01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:02,520 [music playing] 1738 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,240 PAUL ROGERS: I wasn't quite sure what to expect because it's 1739 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,920 been such a long time, and we-- 1740 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,680 Considering we hadn't played for like, what, 10 years? 1741 01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,080 Yeah. 1742 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,800 Somebody said to me, is it like riding a bike? 1743 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,080 I said, no, it's like riding a wild stallion. 1744 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:23,240 [laughter] 1745 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:24,600 I like that. 1746 01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:25,840 You don't forget how to do it, but it doesn't 1747 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:27,360 make it any less dangerous. 1748 01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:29,800 No, I like that. 1749 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,160 [inaudible] put that top lift in first. 1750 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,440 MAN: And here we go. Jolly good. 1751 01:13:38,559 --> 01:13:39,400 Hey, Chris. 1752 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,680 All right, buddy. 1753 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:42,600 [inaudible] 1754 01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:43,520 Thank you. 1755 01:13:43,639 --> 01:13:44,760 See you later. 1756 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:45,760 [inaudible] 1757 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,680 Thank you, my friend. 1758 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,600 [cheering] 1759 01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:59,000 PAUL ROGERS: [inaudible] 1760 01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:03,400 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE"] 1761 01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:09,880 SIMON KIRKE: I'm always trying to hear what Paul is doing 1762 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,760 and trying to, you know, supplement it, complement 1763 01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,800 it, whatever, back it up. 1764 01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:16,719 Like you said earlier on, you've got to have a structure. 1765 01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,639 You can't be too free from, but there's certain times in songs 1766 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,200 that, you know, he'll do something, 1767 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,719 and I'll try and back it up rather than ride over it. 1768 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,160 MICK RALPHS: Yeah, if Paul goes somewhere, 1769 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,559 we'll go there with it, you know, or whatever way. 1770 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,680 You know, it's just at the moment whatever [inaudible]. 1771 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,120 PAUL ROGERS: Yeah, well go run with it. 1772 01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:33,639 MICK RALPHS: And whatever dictates it-- you know, 1773 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,000 the mood of the audience, or the way we're feeling. 1774 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,000 We're always right there to compliment that, 1775 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:39,600 and it's just a natural thing we do. 1776 01:14:39,719 --> 01:14:42,120 It's not a problem for any of us. 1777 01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,200 It's a magical experience pretty much every night. 1778 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:45,840 I have to pinch myself once in a while 1779 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,639 because I'll be standing next to him, and I'll look back, 1780 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,880 and there's Simon, and I'm going, wow. 1781 01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,920 These are the guys that I grew up just loving. 1782 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,559 They're playing their music. 1783 01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,160 I think Paul is the greatest rock singer that's ever lived, 1784 01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,440 and to this day, I mean, he hasn't lost a step. 1785 01:15:00,559 --> 01:15:02,400 A lot of singers of his generation 1786 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,480 are substituting the high notes for lower notes 1787 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,920 or tuning down a little bit, but Paul-- we 1788 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,040 play everything in A 440 concert pitch, the same as the records. 1789 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,800 A lot of the times I'm playing I'm thinking about what I'm 1790 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,280 doing, but now and then, when I get a chance, 1791 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,360 I'm just listening to him play and seeing what I'm playing 1792 01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,160 is-- it's a magical feeling. 1793 01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,440 All of the gigs have-- 1794 01:15:23,559 --> 01:15:28,719 all of the shows have been exceptional. 1795 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,680 The UK tour was another endorsement of that. 1796 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,160 You know, the response was great, and we played well. 1797 01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,559 Good morning. 1798 01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,520 Hello, Chris. 1799 01:15:41,639 --> 01:15:43,960 Mick [inaudible] how you doing? 1800 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,920 [interposing voices] 1801 01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,600 What we'll do is we'll walk in at 3 o'clock. 1802 01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:51,000 [inaudible] will get up and make an introduction. 1803 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,040 You'll play. 1804 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:53,520 We'll do a photo session. 1805 01:15:53,639 --> 01:15:58,040 Then do the Q&A. And then a signing of a guitar 1806 01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,760 that we'll present to the Hard Rock, and then we're done. 1807 01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,400 I'm getting too old for this shit. 1808 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,520 You're gonna have to whip me into shape here. 1809 01:16:09,639 --> 01:16:10,440 Hello. 1810 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,719 This was the first [inaudible] ever. 1811 01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,240 Not many people know that. 1812 01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:17,200 What? 1813 01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,559 MAN: There's your drumhead. 1814 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:20,480 All right. 1815 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,600 Ah, Boz is up there. 1816 01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:29,040 Look at that. 1817 01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,000 [music playing] 1818 01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,920 [chatter] 1819 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:11,639 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "FEEL LIKE MAKING LOVE"] 1820 01:17:21,719 --> 01:17:25,760 I was in the States last year for 10 shows, 1821 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,280 and then when I come home, my friends and family were asking, 1822 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,760 you know, is the UK thing going to happen? 1823 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,040 I said, well, sworn to secrecy, but possibly, you know. 1824 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,440 Ladies and gentlemen, would you please 1825 01:17:36,559 --> 01:17:38,400 welcome a true super group. 1826 01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,320 Ladies and gentlemen, Bad Company. 1827 01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:42,920 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "SHOOTING STAR"] 1828 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:49,520 [SINGING] Don't you know that you are a shooting star. 1829 01:17:49,639 --> 01:17:55,240 Keep on shining somewhere [inaudible]. 1830 01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:01,600 Don't you know that you are a shooting star. 1831 01:18:01,719 --> 01:18:05,240 All the world will love you just as 1832 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,440 long, as long as you are alive. 1833 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:13,680 I like that sound, basically. 1834 01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,040 Classic British rock sound. 1835 01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:16,240 Yeah, that's it. 1836 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:17,280 That's what we're missing, you know? 1837 01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:18,800 Well, that went well, didn't it? 1838 01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:19,680 WOMAN: [inaudible] 1839 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:21,400 It was really good. 1840 01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:22,800 I thought they were fantastic. 1841 01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,520 That-- that kind of chemistry is still there. 1842 01:18:26,639 --> 01:18:28,719 There's absolutely no doubt about that. 1843 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,719 Hello. 1844 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,639 Nice to see you. First gig. 1845 01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:52,559 Lovely. 1846 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,480 [cheering] 1847 01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,000 WOMAN: Come on, Simon! 1848 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:44,440 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE"] 1849 01:19:52,559 --> 01:19:55,920 [SINGING] Well I take whatever I want. 1850 01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,440 And baby, I want you. 1851 01:19:59,559 --> 01:20:00,440 All right. 1852 01:20:00,559 --> 01:20:03,400 You give me something I need. 1853 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,240 MICK RALPHS: It would be nice to do some more, 1854 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:07,559 and it would be also nice to do some 1855 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,080 new stuff if-- if that's the way it's going-- 1856 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,520 I mean, I haven't written for a long time. 1857 01:20:11,639 --> 01:20:13,320 I must be honest. 1858 01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:14,920 I haven't really felt like it. 1859 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,520 You know, you go through a patch when you're not working, 1860 01:20:16,639 --> 01:20:19,440 and then you have marital problems, whatever, you know, 1861 01:20:19,559 --> 01:20:21,360 all that stuff, and you don't feel like writing anything. 1862 01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:23,360 There's nothing to write about that's good. 1863 01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:25,360 I like to write about stuff that's good, you know? 1864 01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:26,639 Not miserable stuff. 1865 01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,840 So-- but I'm starting to write again now. 1866 01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,040 I'm feeling good about everything, 1867 01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,920 and having the band there as a vehicle is 1868 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,920 an incentive, because I've always written for a band, 1869 01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,360 you know? 1870 01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:41,200 And Bad Company stopped-- there was no vehicle. 1871 01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,559 Although I kept writing, it was all kinds of various stuff. 1872 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,559 At least having Bad Company there gives me a focus 1873 01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,240 to think, well, [inaudible] there 1874 01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:53,639 is a certain thing that we do, whatever it is, like it or not. 1875 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,080 So I try to tailor the stuff I'm writing to fit that bill, 1876 01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,400 you know, to keep it up to date but still keep 1877 01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,840 the essence of what we did in the early days. 1878 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,840 And Paul played a couple of things, 1879 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,600 and I picked up on them, and I said, oh, what's that? 1880 01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:09,639 You know, like little glimpses of things. 1881 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,280 It would be nice if we did some new stuff. 1882 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:12,680 We shall see. 1883 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:13,920 SIMON KIRKE: Who knows? 1884 01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:18,559 I mean, we're fit, sober, and who knows 1885 01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,080 what the future will bring? 1886 01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,600 But I really hope that we can do some shows together 1887 01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:24,880 in the future. 1888 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,160 As long as there's a market there, and a demand for it, 1889 01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,160 and we're enjoying it, there's no reason not to do it 1890 01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,840 as long as we physically can. 1891 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,600 I don't think any of us want to do marathon tours anymore. 1892 01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:37,760 We're too old for that. 1893 01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,800 I would love to do another album. 1894 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:40,840 You can't predict it, really. 1895 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,040 You just have to see how it goes, 1896 01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,800 but hopefully there will be more. 1897 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,080 That would be lovely. 1898 01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,280 That would be lovely. 1899 01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,000 I'm going to take a break, and I'm 1900 01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,719 going to focus on songwriting. 1901 01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,120 Songwriting, really, you know, that's 1902 01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,520 where everything kind of stems from, 1903 01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:57,960 and I'll see where that takes me. 1904 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,160 [MUSIC - BAD COMPANY, "ROCK AND ROLL FANTASY"] 1905 01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,480 BAD COMPANY: [SINGING] Here come the jesters one, two, three. 1906 01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,719 It's all part of my fantasy. 1907 01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,880 I love the music, and I love to see 1908 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:19,440 the crowd dancing in the aisles and singing out loud, yeah. 1909 01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:31,880 Here come the dancers one by one. 1910 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,480 You're mama's calling, but you're having fun. 1911 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:40,000 You find you're dancing on a number nine cloud. 1912 01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:44,200 Put your hands together now and sing it out loud. 1913 01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:51,080 It's all part of my rock and roll fantasy. 1914 01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,880 Yeah. 1915 01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:59,200 It's all part of my rock and roll dream, yeah. 1916 01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:27,400 It's all part of my rock and roll fantasy. 1917 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:36,080 It's all part of my rock and roll dream. 1918 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:43,000 Yeah. 1919 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:53,200 Put up the spotlights one and all. 1920 01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:57,080 Then let the feeling get down to your soul. 1921 01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:03,680 The music's so loud you can hear the sound reaching for the sky 1922 01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,440 and churning up the ground. 143280

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